The Steve Dangle Podcast - RDPSD | June 5, 2025

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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Blake. Let's go! So let me ask you this. Let me ask you this, okay? I want to know right off the bat how we feel about the whole Canada's team angle. Okay. And it starts with Jesse. I'm not even going to tell you what it is. You'll see it when I just sent you a text.

But Steve, Canada's team. All right. I'll give you a for instance. A team to lay it on the line. Lay it on the line. um that friggin song what well they're not using it anymore yeah but they're not using it anymore apparently there there has been they've heard us loud and clear they've they've removed that commercial they've switched the song up no as per my request they turned it into honeymoon

sweet feel it again which is an underrated song uh canadian rock and roll that you should check out it's a great song great song but uh even like boston pizza has been doing this you know get canada the cut back thing for a couple years now and so yesterday uh they handed out um 2025 free pizza coupons all over edmonton five different little places uh five different places um and i think it's kind of neat that they've got like they got like a bus rolling around down there um we see we also had the arkells as you would expect doing the ice you're lying no i'm You're lying. Rodgers hired the Arkells to do the Ice District because, of course, hey.

They're the only band in Canada, apparently. They're the last ones. You know how people get, like, what's it called when you only play in Vegas at, like, one casino? A residency. A residency. Yeah. The Arkells residency is Canada. Yes, it is.

And Rodgers events. It is. 100%. Don't lump the rest of us Canadians in there. It's Ed's problem. Yeah. he loves the Arkells he loves the Edkells

and then finally there was this can we bring this up on screen Jesse are we ready this would be the CN Tower lit up for the Edmonton Oilers and a lot of people in Toronto had a problem with this

because it was lit up blue and orange for the Edmonton Oilers the last Canadian team in the Stanley Cup playoffs and people were like I don't know so i i think my therapist did a great job in getting me to forget about this but apparently in 2021 the cn tower did this for the habs we were on this show and had this exact same conversation yeah but it was 2021 so like memory brain damage i don't even remember what i said brain and that sort of stuff two years it's okay to not remember yeah i think at the time i had

the same opinion that i have right now this it's a canadian national tower it's just because it's located in toronto it is run by a government body that is a represents the entire country yes torontonians don't have a say over what happens with the cn tower but it makes us feel silly but so but like this is way better than the habs you can't you can't have the government body who represents canadians cater to torontonians i know that it's even worse and i'm thinking to myself and people made this observation and and they're right like they're there you will never see a sign at the west edmonton mall that's like go leaves go but a mall is not the same a mall is run by the local municipality or you know what you're kind of like fairview you know you're not

seeing that at the toronto city hall yeah edmonton oilers flag because it's run by here the people here in toronto this is run by the canadian government like we're just gonna put one up by the end of the day like you want to be upset about something like okay be upset but like it's not it's not right to be upset about it's also they now what now what's interesting about that jesse is that it is run i actually don't even know who runs it but it is cn tower canadian national which is you know sort of named after the railway and everything whatever but my thing with the cn tower is we would like to think it is one of the things that's representative of canada like hey this is a monument or a thing it's really just a radio tower i actually don't like to think

that adam uh i don't think toronto is the center of the well and this is the thing so my question is do is this even what edmonton wants like did they give them a gift that they're like yeah thanks but i don't i didn't need more socks this is not a personal i've asked for this right yeah right because it's not representative of canada it's representative of toronto and most of canada would tell you that living breathing human being requested this except for i guess the person who runs those decisions and and adam you're asking for the specifics of who runs it it's the canadian lands company which is a federal crown corporation responsible for the government's real estate portfolio wow okay wait a sec yeah so the government did it yeah and there's what it says

Mark Carney was on the ice with the Oilers. Hey, Danielle Smith invited him to a game. She invited him yesterday. So there's political unity. Listen, let's not hate. That's so weird for a woman who loves to be in Florida so much. Let's not hate. No, no.

I want good things. Let's absolutely hate. The problem that's happened with the tower is that it no longer represents Canadians. It represents Toronto. like toronto's taken over the tower and it's become hey this is a symbol of the city of toronto and nobody looks at it as a national tower anymore but when the canadian crown corporation real estate portfolio and people get together and they sit in their little board office they're like you know what we're gonna light this this thing for all canadians because that's what it actually

represents yeah just we all don't realize that because that's not where it lands in the pop culture lexicon and all people in the city where the tower is go uh and everyone not in that city sees the picture and goes it's actually a no win it's a no way no one wins no one asked for this listen mark carney is an oilers fan and it's an oilers colors right now and in 2021 justin trudeau was prime minister and he's a habs fan and habs goes it's a conspiracy and it stinks to the top yeah that concludes my political content for them yeah there's just there's no turning back with what the tower represents like nobody outside the gta will ever look at the cn tower and be like that's our tower nobody in calgary gives a shit about the cn tower no they got the calgary tower

which is managed by aspen nobody in vancouver none of it we can do the song i can run through all the towns in fucking canada like we can do that nobody outside of toronto cares about the cn tower and that's the problem whenever the sudbury nickel is on tv i'm like that's mine right that represents me right yep but by the definition of the facts it's run by canada and the government so whatever that's the conundrum i had to bring it up fools i did have to bring again like i here's what i think league fans are are looking forward to a day a day where they're left alone yeah yeah yeah players want to be left alone how about us we want to be left alone by your track record of being asked yeah yeah how about that how about

the players leave us alone yeah you leave us alone every time you throw a spin around friggin backhand pass to the other team and they score because your back check sucked i'm like leave me alone this is bullying by proxy people in montreal should be laughing at us today and being like you don't even run the thing that represents you like that's not this that's not even yours it's you fucking losers it's the hotel chair i won't say it's the hotel chair no we're represented by the uh ted rogers statue outside of yeah sky dome that's that's our that's our city that's that belongs to us all right all right now you can't have ted the rest of you he's ours uh no we're an embarrassment you have roger nielsen in vancouver well we have a billionaire

who's really winning uh zach hyman uh before the series started it is announced officially we thought maybe broken wrist or whatever he dislocated it and tore some ligaments which is worse than breaking it i i tried to be like yeah he'll play he's not he's not even sure he'll be ready for training camp yeah that is uh so shitty like bones bones heal are actually kind of straightforward yeah ligaments so that's that's a bummer but you know and this is the thing when you talk to people about this series what they often will say is like listen i would go oilers but there's no zach hyman and i think that's a major verbatim i think that's a major factor and i think that's a relevant point he's incredible yeah incredible player he led the

playoffs and hits he was scoring he was doing everything but kisferi kapanen you know man captain and who's got like more points than matt what is it was it that albergo tweeted out it was like he's got more playoff points in his career than the other he has more finals finals points wow these guys combined then hilarious who that leafs guys that's such a funny stat low excuse me while i pick up this fruit from the ground yeah it's funny it's not even low but he's got he's played eight games he has five points in the playoffs 39 hits which is just shy of five hits a night um that's unreal he's playing i had a great breakaway last night we'll get into the game but i just wanted to point out another form relief that uh there was a year

where cadre left the leafs and there was no resident asshole and i said cappy this is your chance this is your time to shine the there is a vacancy for team asshole and there were flashes of it he fought jared mccann for some reason and like he could still do some things and he was incredibly fast and he he does have that intensity he just couldn't he couldn't put it together night in and night out and it would drive you nuts and then he goes to pittsburgh and he still doesn't have it and then he goes to saint louis and he still doesn't have it and he goes to edmonton and he's nearly out of the league and then like this was his last chance i think of course going into april that's what he said oh he said that's that's what he said he said this is probably my

last chance edmonton is unbelievable at finding players who are talented who are also on their last chance because perry capitan this is your last chance evander kane evander kane this is your last chance cory perry last chance i'd say jeff skinner well skinner maybe but uh he had he had suitors last year there's a reason he's making three million you could argue vasily oh yeah yeah dude i i you know many canucks fans are so mad at rick talking for this he was incredible he was really really good um but kapanen i i said something in the in the cup check video yesterday that not everyone totally understood and maybe i'd say is it because you're too much of a genius i like you're really smart no it's because uh i'm too stupid sometimes i

don't choose the correct ones ah i think that happens possible oh you know it happens to the worst of us like yes um it i think it's possible the oilers are less talented than they were last year but they are a better team if that makes sense i get i get why people didn't get that yeah they they don't have what do you got for a spaceman they don't have the flash and finesse you're you overthought that said no i i you're saying they're playing more as a team they're play more as a team but everyone is also playing their role i know what you were going hard and fast and there were so many like simpler ways to get to that point how would you say like what adam just said what did he say that they're they're playing more as a team yes yeah yes and

the team game is more because i mean chris knobloch didn't have training camp with them right he turned around it's true a messy season last year and they were in dead last and ew and that sucked uh but then it shouldn't be that it shouldn't be that given the opportunity to not be that and so now that his system is ingrained you know you often see that with trade deadline guys they don't quite get the system and then the next year if they're still with the same team that's like oh i got it i got it i got it right so well it's like like someone last night was like uh so evan bouchard for team canada right yeah and it was a few months ago you'd be crazy to do this to you'd be crazy not to well I think he I think the thing is is that he's he's earned it now the

but we would have said the same thing about Stuart Skinner after last year's finals how could you not put him on the four nations and then I know he was Stuart Skinner what what is unique about next year's Olympics is it's rare that you have a national team a full national team play the year before an olympic year yeah for the men and so you're taking someone off that roster which is hard and keeping in mind that roster didn't have alex petrangelo or mark shifley or mark shifley but i'm like just in terms of just defense yeah in that particular role but now i mean if given the choice between the two i think you'd be slightly insane to not go with Evan Boucher. He led them in

ice time last night. Solid as a rock defensively, I thought. And we know what an absolute stone-cold killer he is on D. So we're sort of going everywhere. Well, that's okay. Here's a question. I want to talk about Kapanen stuff.

I don't know how I got onto Boucher. If you want to go Kapanen... We let you go, is what happened. We'll go back to Kapanen, but let me just ask you this. Did Petrangelo, by pulling himself out of the Four Nations, open up his own spot yes like because that is a thing in sports right like as much as as great as petrangelo has been you do open up a spot for someone else to supplant you yeah the great thing

is it's team canada at unbelievable players are going to get left off every time dude we were talking i was like oh yeah no adoption should have made team usa you know why he can't make team usa canadian he's canadian yeah he's from prince edward island yeah whoops that's uh he didn't make it i mean yeah there's like an ocean between but what's the big deal you could do wow wow and there's a big old expensive bridge uh like it it's a really hard team to make jesse you wanted to keep going on caps yeah because we often talk about the the buffalo left buffalo got good tree and to me like capitan might be a little bit of evidence of just more of the mix doesn't work in toronto because you see when you plug in good players or players with talent i should say

how about into systems that are successful and know how to play hockey and there's guys there that control the play you know up front with the with the Edmonton Oilers and then the rest of the guys just gotta fall fall in line when you're not stretching the bottom half of your lineup so thin you get guys like Kapanen who can thrive in their spots they have essentially the Leaf supporting cast yeah years past but the the higher end talent on Edmonton is just so much more of a cohesive unit and knows how to play these playoff hockeys that the rest of the lineup is able to thrive in different ways and I think looking at Kapanen a lot of people want to say well it didn't work on Toronto for blah blah blah but I think it's just more reason to look at the Toronto's team

and think that it won't ever work the way it is right well I mean Kappy it took I think Kapanen is is a i'll just be straight up in toronto the knock on him was his immaturity uh he had all the skills that was what made him so frustrating because they kept saying all right casperi you gotta like we need you to play this role he'd be like yeah but i'm gonna do what i want to do and and he and i think they also put him in positions where like i think as a fourth liner he's actually amazing but you know the leafs needed him to be a middle six guy so he played and that's what i'm talking about yeah in toronto he played with austin matthews i think he briefly played with John Tavares. He played with Austin Matthews

so quick and then was off that line so fast. So fast. I've never seen a person disappear faster than that. And it was because Austin's like, get this guy away. I saw a playoff game where it was Matthews winged by Andreas Janssen and Kisperi Kapanen. Oh my God. And it was as exhausting as it sounds. But Steve, what do you always talk

about with the depth on the team? Why can't they ever get depth scoring and guys to supplant the superstars? It's because they built the team around a couple guys and they gotta go and get Kasperi Kapanen and throw him on the first line with Austin Matthews yes this is this is what I keep saying now now with with Kapanen like his numbers are you saw the trajectory and you saw why people were so excited about him it's it's not that he was just that he

was so fast in his uh fourth year in the league but really I would say first full season in the league in 1819 78 games 20 goals 24 assists 44 points and he's in his early 20s there's the road or early to mid 20s there's the road he's going to be a 20-ish goal guy hopefully 50-ish point guy really fast great penalties and and a hard four check and yeah and he might you know develop a little bit of snarl perfect nhl player that is to this day the 1819 season the best of his career now when he went to pittsburgh after toronto he was actually quite good uh in just 40 games in the 2021 season he had 11 goals 19 assists 30 points in 40 games man he was never close this past season 10 games with the blues a goal and nothing else goes to edmonton i think off waivers

yes waivers yeah 57 games five goals eight assists 13 points nothing guy is five points in eight games playing with dry sidle and then later in the game mcdavid over his career he has played a lot with matthews sparingly with tavaris a lot with malkin sparingly with crosby a lot with dry sidle sparingly with mcdavid that's absurd that's completely absurd and what is most absurd is that it makes sense in 2025 this is his last chance and he's gonna convert it into a few million bucks and maybe a ring only 28 years old i know isn't that crazy it's shocking i thought that he would have been 30 by now, right? He's turning 29 in July, to be fair.

But 29 years old, it feels like he's been around for centuries. I'm going to be a Salty Leaf fan for a second. And I'm not salty at anyone else but the Leafs. By the way, his dad, Sammy Kapanen, never won the Cup, and he has a chance to finally do that for his family. Right. I know.

I think that the Leafs in that era, you know how Nate Schmidt said at the beginning of the season he did something in practice and one of the Panthers came up to him and said, hey, we don't do that on this team. He made a play. I don't know this story.

So yeah, Nate Schmidt talks about the fact that when he showed up in camp, I think it was Nate Schmidt, talked about coming into camp. Yeah, Hayden's giving me the thumbs up. Thank God. I always doubt myself here on that. He came to camp and he wouldn't say which veteran.

Okay. But the Panthers play hockey a certain way. And Nate Schmidt, his entire career has played hockey the way he did in Washington and a little bit the way he did in in winnipeg and he was very good last night he was good yeah he was very very good for those teams but he also had some huge warts to his game that actually drove coaches nuts and and reduced his ice time he goes to florida and first practice he does something that would probably drive any coach nuts and it wasn't maurice that went up to him

it was one of the veteran guys that said hey listen man welcome we don't do that shit here so if you want to play we don't do that and he got the message and he did it and so that's a maturity thing right that's that's maturity but it's also one of your peers going hey I don't think the Leafs had no disrespect to John Tavares as a captain you remember the the the most famous one is Messier Domi Domi's hot dog and after scoring a goal Messier grabs him in the intermission and goes we don't effing do that Messier grabbed Ty Domi by the collar and I depending on the version of the story that you heard like pressed him against the locker

and so we don't do that and then Messier is like we also don't show up to training camp when we don't feel like it and I'm not going to show up because I'm Mark Messier what is he Aaron Carlson that's crazy anyway I just I look at that thanks Mess he had listen Mess had his warts asked the city of Vancouver

but also I'm going to be a dick to Steve twice sorry hey Jesse at least he didn't push him up against the locker and said I will not hold that he was very close he was very close the point is that i don't think the leafs had a culture of accountability in the sense in the same way that maybe these teams do and also i think you got young players it was like the least at that point we're a very very young team and you had then you had tavaris in there

who's not a very outspoken guy whereas i feel like you do that with conor mcdave conor mcdave comes up and says hey when you when i say jump you say and casperi cabin is going to be how high no one's asking if he's the best player in the world he is he is it means something um and with the panthers uh panthers too like they have that sort of culture right now they've won yeah they won what are you gonna say to them is this schmidt's first year with the yeah he wasn't with them last year right okay so you're coming into to a team that has made it to back-to-back finals and won last year they're they're gonna do the banner raising ceremony like i always think about this player because there's always like a couple where they link arms and they go ah and they watch

the banner go up and you had nothing to do yes you weren't there no you were on another sure i'm happy for you guys though yeah yeah yeah uh but that's the thing don't you think that alone sends a message yes like hey you want to you're you're on this team now you could do this too but you better play the way they play it you know you know maybe it'll be a conversation later in this show or on another show or in free agency or whatever the the state tax thing the state tax thing with the panthers has always been an advantage for them the difference is the organization sucked there was no reason to go there and be part of that shitty shitty so shitty organization organization gains a little bit of respectability and well tax situation seems all right was it's

sunny all the time right except for when it's not get on a plane all right all right i'll go join the panthers and now it's such a perfect storm where the lightning are good and have been good and the panthers are good and have been good everyone's flocking there but like the lightning weren't always a destination they were a shit heap the panthers weren't always the destination for the vast majority of their franchises existing. They've had five good years. Their fans will tell you this. They stonk.

Yeah, five good years, and one of them was in 1996. That's what I mean, right? They've been tortured, Panthers fans. Yes, yes, with a bad, irrelevant team, and they're not that anymore. They're top-notch. Speaking of role players, you look at how Florida's built, and we talked about this.

Forsling off waivers, Bennett for a second, and Emile Heinemann, they found guys like Edmonton did that could come in and play roles and then elevate their games. And the other guy I want to bring up is Nico Mikula, who, you know, I know he's so good now, like, what the hell? And I think that's what is the magic of both of these teams. Now, let's get in the actual game. Oilers obviously opened the scoring with who else?

Leon Dreisaitl within almost the first minute of the game, which is incredible. And having Steve's watch along on was actually really great for that, too, because it just fired things up right away. It was beautiful. Now, I want to get to the second goal, which is a Panthers goal, which has created a significant amount of discussion

and did at the time. And during the goal, Panthers score, but Kulak sort of trips Sam Bennett, and Sam Bennett, for sure, Sam Bennett falls. And there's a falling motion, and then there's a Sam Bennett falling motion right into the goaltender. Can I help you with that?

Sure. He's a diver, and it's provable, and he has a track record of being a diver. Sorry, continue. But usually divers aren't trying to kill you on the way down. Like, he's like Spetsnaz. Spetsnaz? Like, it's like, isn't that the Russian Secret Service guys that are like, you know, you've seen the videos of the guys doing, like, flips, and they're throwing an axe? No, I thought you were talking about, like, a hybrid of Jason Spetsnaz and Nazem Kassim.

No, yeah, me too. Like, Russian special forces do crazy shit. go to that same spot because we've never heard the word spetsnaz yeah yeah anyway okay it's a lot of zeds or more marine or whatever you want to call i just look at it like sam as you said in the second round there's a lot of oops sam bennett moments yeah there was another one like the ultimately it's called a good goal but it was challenged it's yes it was challenged and it led to a power play that got the panthers the lead on a brad marsh and goal which is just you know it's funny at least didn't happen against the leafs i in my head i was yeah

no i would have killed for it to happen against at least man imagine the privilege of getting scored on in the stanley cup final oh that'd be nice yeah it sounds really cool anyway so brad marchand scores and i think to myself gosh darn it why did it have to be brad and then i'm like no that's the whole roster oh why did it have to be bennett oh why did it have to be chuck uh no they're just annoying right that's how you get to the stanley cup final that's how they've done it three straight times but that uh the call i i caught myself while uh shooting the video after the game the language you use is important um brett kulak tripped sam bennett well that's a goal sam bennett tripped over brett kulak that's not a goal you are responsible for so only

brett kulak is responsible for his feet is is that how i'm interpreting this what did come from behind right it was it was he didn't see him all right i mean yeah i think i think party in that instance so that's that's where sam bennett's falling backwards over Brett Kulak already leaning back already leaning back I'm sorry it's Sam Bennett he gets zero actually he gets negative benefit of the doubt I'm going into this assuming you're being a cheater and he falls over an Oilers defenseman which I think was his goal the entire time I think it was a happy accident I think he meant to fall over Jake Wallman he ends up falling over Brett Kulak and up falls right into the goalie and gets the goal not just falls into the goalie gets the goal

this dude is a super villain no one he's i'm telling you i grew up watching 90s hockey this guy is generational accidentally on purpose i the guy i always bring up is keith primo hated him as a child hate hit him i didn't know i had that kind of hate in me as like an eight nine 10 year old he this man would like i've fallen and i can't get up on top of curtis joseph or ed belfort or whoever it was and turn into just katie ledecky just watch out don't call yourself doing backstrokes over every that was the first swimmer i could think of do backstrokes over summer macintosh would have been better damn it yeah isn't she what are you yeah i know can i smelled the star spangled banner wow what is that katie ledecky i know i could have chosen penny

alexiak yeah damn it disappointing would have been the best but anyway so we would turn into summer mackintosh oh there you go and just do the backstroke all over whoever the goalie was this man is a generational talent of shithousery do you think they got the call right no fuck them they got the call right i think because they called it on the ice a good goal there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it if they had called it no goal originally i think you keep it no goal and just a nature of what the refs called at the time so unfortunately i think it's it's sam bennett like we kind of know what he's going for there but there's not enough evidence there to overturn it the correct that's the correct brain answer the correct heart answer is fuck that guy yes

yes yes yeah but what are you gonna do when he's a leaf i think yeah exactly cheer for him i don't know what do you do when you have marsh and join the leafs this offseason i rarely have i seen a player with this much uh this much talent play with that little integrity he is a he is a dirty cheater in every sense of the word and i hate watching him play hockey wow wow i don't feel that way at all i was saying this adam that's really far yeah i don't give a shit stop injuring players on purpose you dirty cheater all the fucking time has have you seen aaron ekblad by the way move his arms when he skates oh he's just I was saying to Adam and Adam couldn't believe that I said this.

I hate the Panthers this year's Panthers in a way I've never felt about the Boston Bruins ever, which is crazy because Zidane O'Chara used to turn people's backs into dust over the course of a series. Yes. This is your most hated team in your life. The Panthers more than the Bruins is crazy. 2024 2025 Florida Panthers.

You hate this team more than any other team. More than 19 Bruins. Come on. I don't remember the Bruins beating the Leafs and then having a PR campaign afterwards about how to beat the Leafs and also Toronto's bad in general. And oh my God, fuck you guys.

Like, listen, when the stream... All right, camera's on, microphone's on. I try to be unbiased. I try to... I know there's more Oilers fans in the chat than Panthers fans. And I have nothing against Panthers fans. No, I find them to be a riot.

I had a fun time with them in the Eastern Conference final. yes giggling joey joey from jacksonville or whatever joey pantalone yeah joey pants joey pants is he there is he has he joined you but like like at the end of every series i i would find myself going oh my god i hate you guys but i respect you like damn it i respect you friggin uh anchorman these guys are clinical they're the most exhausting like here's what i expect uh respect about them they are the most exhausting team i think in my lifetime in terms of the detail they pay attention to fucking you up they're hard work on the forecheck they're dicking around after whistles there there was a play i can't remember who the players were

but it was a panther just covering an oiler's mouth just holding his hand over his mouth so he can't breathe you're a psychopath all right yeah you're a psychopath did you see what part of the code is that there was i think aaron eckblad held someone's neck in the in the carolina series i think he just grabbed him by the neck and i was like hey is anyone gonna do anything about that didn't marshan take his glove off and i maybe it was marshan i was somebody grabbed i want to say he was still with the bruins when it happened no no there was one like this playoffs i mean i was watching i believe uh but to your point they have a very particular brand and you're just the like they're they're the bruins of the late 2010s but more yeah they're like plus 10

percent yeah but it's also like you mentioned the four check and the the way they played it play is some of the best structured hockey that anybody can play. Like, the neutral zone is so clogged. It's like an Adam Wilde toilet at our office when he clogs it. Excuse me. He clogged the toilet. I had to unplug the toilet. Oh, my bad.

I got the wrong guy here next to me who clogged the toilet. Steve texted me and was like, hey, I clogged the toilet earlier. Can you please unclog it during your watch along, which I did. Thanks, bro. That's how clogged the neutral zone is when these guys are out there. Like, it's impossible to get through and attack at any moment on the ice. the Oilers found some ways to crack through but like just to your point like they they play that detailed dirty game and then they're also incredibly structured playing hockey itself

yeah and I mean the Oilers aren't beautiful uh faultless angels right Darnell Nurse broke uh the top line center of the star's foot yes he missed a game and then when he returned Evan bouchard slash the same foot the same way evander kane is a member of their team cory perry is a member of perry yes you know it's funny i got philosophical about cory perry too last night where oh man you're making a larger point on the panthers i don't want to get too far away from no no no well it's i'm going through all the different kinds of hate ability so like it's let's look at cory perry who's another player who has played in a very dirty way throughout his career um i think oh if i ever got to interview him like just for the sake of hockey fandom

uh like particularly millennial hockey fans because some people are going to be too young to remember this i'm going to be like cory perry uh two-time stanley cup champion potentially or one-time stanley cup champion starting with cory perry one-time stanley cup champion i think would be a crazy thing to say to a man who's potentially gone one in five um what is it like to have the breaks beaten off you by pavel datzuk i just need to know most of us haven't had the breaks beaten office by pavel datzuk i just need to know what it's like to have the they're just the brakes beating the fuck off you by pavel datzuk he beat your ass in that anyway um he was going at someone last night and i was like i don't think he's a particularly talented chirper he is just so

annoying he just repeats himself over and over again and i think it's the combination of voice and face unpleasant and you want to punch it and then when you do you get a penalty and he laughs at you yes now the sorry the larger point about the florida panthers your most hated team of your life is it fact or fiction um there is a there is a respect there that is that is lacking like from the respect i've had for teams like the bruins who i also complained about uh like just the sheer volume of here we fucking go just every game every game did you see did you see them grab dry sidle what like they the florida panthers i forget at what point took a penalty and then immediately grabbed dry sidle i think it was mikala and was trying to bait him into it and

then evander kane had to come in and push micola off and i really respected that move from kane because it was let's cut let's clear up the trouble here let's not let that happen god matthew kachuk plays hockey thank god he plays hockey and his dad's a millionaire and grew up playing hockey that little psychopath would be in the schoolyard burning ants with a magnifying glass and friggin doing who knows what and then leading to a life of you know people in the freezer because that dude after every whistle grabs you by the collar chews on his useless little mouth guard looks off into the distance like a nut like an actual put him in a straight jacket nut and just rabbit punches you he will not make eye contact with the person he's fucking

no he just goes he has never found a scrum he wasn't third into like again and just another player where i'm like yeah super talented really great really gritty uh wow what a piece of shit like working for the uh the respect thing you said you don't have for them it feels like like when a parent's like i'm not i'm not upset i'm just disappointed like that's how it feels like you are about the panthers so yeah is it it's your most hated team i'm just trying to get a straight answer because like i have complained about teams in the past the bruins just beat the dog shit out of the leafs the montreal canadians very underratedly i wayne simmons got cross-checked in the face nothing happened in the fucking face nothing happened and i feel

like my complaint was mostly with god this league sucks like please get these teams in order please call the rules all right you're not going to do it then fuck you in a way the panthers here's where i'm being unfair the panthers are the manifestation of every revenge leafs team i've ever asked for like oh okay there are no rules simply commit crimes on the ice simply just commit an abundance of crimes until there's fireworks and a trophy awarded to your team because that's how you win um but these guys i mean they're so on the ice during play after play before the game and after the game so goddamn annoying i also hate that they hate their fans i don't think they hate their fans at all they do they don't want people to go to the games i don't think the florida panthers hate

their fans no they just this they did this huge campaign about how no one wants to play in toronto the pressure i i just want to see the theme song for lack of cheers where hardly anybody knows your name and they're angry that you came they don't want you at your game you don't you do not like not like the banter see i i and i can't hide it and at least i'm telling you now and fans please don't take it personally or do whatever listen i'll just say that the non-mega uh the florida panthers fans are cool the other ones in my mentions are psychos but they're like i just i can't with this team okay and that's fair maybe i don't have the energy for it anymore i don't know i think it's because it's been a long season and i think you're tired of you're tired of the bad

guys winning it's all yeah it's always been a long time you are making me have a soft spot for the edmondson oilers like are you kidding a fan group that has been notoriously kind to you yeah i feel like what's his face from star wars i don't boba fett i don't want uh uh i don't want the oilers to win i just need the panthers to lose never palpatine no that wasn't him it was one of the offices somehow the florida panthers returns sometimes life throws your curveballs and you don't have time to get to them and that's where task rabbit comes in and i think you should check this out because here's the deal one of the things one of the weird quirks about my condo building is that they use my floor to repel down and clean all the windows but they never clean my

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Yeah, I'm getting the impression. Okay, let me ask you guys, because we've all done therapy. Have you ever actually had a discussion about how a game negatively affected something in your life? No. Why? I don't know. I'm probably lighting money on fire. Jesse, have you?

No. I think it matters. Wow. We're all going to act like a sports game did not negatively affect our life at one point. We're going to sit here at this desk in Maple Leaf Square and pretend. You know, Adam? What? Sometimes we all got to talk about something.

where can we do that better help oh better help by the way uh the steve dangle podcast is happy to get you 10 off your first month better help jesse.com slash stp 10 off your first month that's better help help.com slash stp um now after the sam bennett fall which necessitated this entire conversation by this by the way jesse are you do you respect the florida panthers in the way they play just in response to steve's comment i respect him to a degree but like you do he went off off for like 25 minutes about how he hates the team that's a loaded question steve is like steve's like how michael jordan seems to have felt about the early 90s pistons like just hates them with every fiber of his being now jesse what are your thoughts how do

you feel about the 90s pistons the 90s the early 90s i think i don't think isaiah thomas gets enough respect for leading a team to back-to-back championships. He doesn't. We just forget that part of history in the NBA because Michael Jordan came directly after it, but Isaiah Thomas was the one. He was the main

option, and he was the guy who facilitated the offense on back-to-back championships. Yeah, but then it's like if McDavid wins this year and then led a league-wide campaign about fuck Sasha Barkov and exclude him

from everything like that's the equivalent the russian team please keep him off the team yeah please keep him off the team no problem he's finished okay well whatever it doesn't matter right right it's the name it confuses it does i don't know why i said russia it doesn't matter oh it doesn't matter but it ends with us so i want to i by the way i want to say i i do respect the way the florida panthers pay because it works and i and what makes me mad is that we've done nothing so this is where i as a leaf fan and again you have to you have to you have to give us this because we saw the Leafs play the Panthers. It is relevant.

And what drives me freaking crazy still about the Leafs is the Panthers jobbed them at home in games five and game seven, right? And then led this thing about, you know, it sucks to play in Toronto, whatever. It's basically a Mitch Marner sales pitch, and that's fine. Good, do your thing.

Because they are interested. They want to bring them in. But what I found funny, or what I know will happen next year is if you did that to the Panthers or did something like that to the Panthers, in the first game of the regular season, they'd come out and beat your ass

and they wouldn't care if they won. Here's an idea. The Leafs will be like, no, we've forgotten about it. It's all in the rear view mirror. Which is the most exhausting, annoying thing. Nobody took Sam Bennett aside. Yeah.

They punched Stoller's in the head and got away with it. And nobody on the Leafs said, you know what? I don't care what Berube wants me to do. I'm going to kick his ass. The Panthers are, you're awful and you should be in jail.

And the Leafs are, I would never be friends with you. Like, it's just two exhausting groups of people. It's scary. Now. No, no, wait. Wait. Here's some food for thought.

Give it to me. There's 82 games. How many games is that? That's so many games. So many games. That's so many games. One year, coming out of the Christmas break, the Leafs got on their plane too early.

Remember that? They got on their plane a couple hours too early. And they got fined for it. After the Christmas break, and they got fined for it because it violated the cba jesse how much was the fine uh wasn't a hundred thousand because i believe i think it was a quarter of a million yeah because i might be wrong it might have been the fine thresholds to like the organizations are so much higher yeah it was six digits put it that exactly yeah and then the place where they flew do you remember what happened in that game

they won they won yes it was to what is it to minnesota i don't remember yeah i forgot they won yeah and the conversation was if this helped you win if this got you two points in the standings was the fine worth it the answer we came to was yes it was a hundred thousand a hundred thousand I thought it was a quarter. Whatever, $100,000. And the coach at the time, Keith, was fined directly $25,000. Maybe that's where I got $250,000 from. And it was to St. Louis.

They won 5-4 in overtime. 5-4 in overtime, the smallest of margins. They got in the plane early. Maybe that's what helped them win. Whatever you got to do in game one against that team that punked and bullied you and pulled your pants down and spanked your ass in front of everyone and made you look like fools more than once,

take the fine. Take the fine. You've already decided. Yep. You have already said $100,000 is worth it. Whatever you got to do. Shut off the... If it's at home, shut off the heat in the showers.

I didn't... Whatever you got to do. Go Boston Celtics 80s, man. I didn't tell you to pine tar the seats. I didn't tell you to do anything in particular except for pine tar the seats. Fuck those guys. yeah i want the leafs to hate a team as much as you do fans want the leafs to hate a team

ever as they do they yeah it's funny the leaf seems like oh let's just get along no all we get is a is a annoyed bratty look god you guys are cocks like just go beat someone so sorry to i know this is about the oilers and the panthers but if we still listen hey if it's oilers colors on the cn tower you have to let me do this yeah now let's talk about so so so they they challenge the goal the goal is held up and uh and it's two to one florida if that's a two loose to ryan and i say good goal it's sam bennett fuck him so this led to sometimes the most interesting moments lead to you know what is it ken reed always said when he when we have ken reed on he's like they pay me the entire year but really they pay me for about five nights of the

year where you got to be spectacular and elliot friedman earned his money last night his first intermission hit was one of the best first intermission hits it was the best one i've seen all playoffs gosh darn it i missed the whole thing he said it was a huge call in the first period of a stanley cup final game one you know the league doesn't want to take goals off the board yes that's that's one of his consistent ethos and he said but both goalies are going to tell their players if you feel contact fall back towards the crease because that's okay and i think the league doesn't want to take goals off the board is the i before e except after c but do you understand rules do you understand though how like that is a pivotal way to look at this and

that is how like you know people were asking i think it rightly so why don't hey why don't the leafs fall backwards into bobrovsky if you're not cheating you're not trying and this is the thing I think that is a that was a I don't even think people realize how much of a setting moment that was for this series if you feel contact from their defender dive bomb if you're in if you're not cheating you're not trying and no one tries harder than the Panthers now obviously the Panthers went up three to one and gave up that lead and who can relate more than us Bennett with another goal yes and I'm telling you if the Panthers win he's going to win the cons he's got 12 goals this postseason 11 are on the road the panthers psychotic stat have are the first team in nhl

history to get over 50 goals on the road in a single playoffs it's game one you're welcome from the leafs you're right yesterday i said they could score 60 like smash the record and still not even win the cup yeah potentially like that's what what a what a team like what a crazy team it's a crazy team and so you know the oilers are able to arvidsson's able to score one to make it 3-2 okay um and then uh and then into the third period we go and it really let's be honest the second period for the Oilers sucked the fact that they scored a goal is a miracle yes miracle well and just it came out of nowhere it was a yeah it was a weird goal it was pod gets the entry drops it to like a victor arvidson slap shot but bob doesn't track it because he

can't because there's this giant russian body because pod calls and takes the the eyes away it's man the this is what i appreciate about the playoffs panthers oilers no matter who it is it's just the minutiae the little things like that yep that's what it takes it's a tiny little place and so then in the third who scores who could it be who could it be it's it's it's a crazy you know what i was matias at home but like connor mcdavid that's what he has has this habit of making his assists feel like goals where the was there was debate on the broadcast about whether or not connor was trying to hit evander kane or trying to hit uh matias at home and bx was the only one who said oh no he was trying to hit kane he wasn't trying i think bx was right you think

he was right yeah yeah you look at that play like the the pass is so soft yeah that it looks like he's trying to just throw it out in front because evander kane is going to the net and i yeah i disagreed with uh with rudy and with everybody else yeah with everybody else essentially said that no no you are wrong he has magic powers and he saw echo yeah he was trying to throw it out the game but it was a great shot 633 uh in the third period i mean this is and then and then towards the end of the game you get great chances going back and forth you go man this is a classic this game's a classic it's going to overtime i so okay is this a hot take yesterday i said that game was better than any game from last year's series i don't think that's a hot take if you go back and

look at each game with the obvious exception of game seven most of them were ass kickings and even the ones that were close were an ass kicking that turned into an almost comeback you know what i mean yeah yeah the oilers won one of the games uh i think it was game four eight one yeah it's not close panthers shut them out i think the first two games were three nothing and 4-1 if that is what we're signing up for four to seven hopefully seven games of this it's gonna be one of the best stanley cup finals ever it was 3-0 4-1 4-3 in game three but it was 4-1 that turned into 4-3 8-1 5-3 5-1 2-1 yeah and the 5-3 was three nothing i'll be honest game seven is the only game i can remember from that series because that's how my memory works um well

because okay so our stream numbers last night were stupid they were so good um and i think the difference was it was a toss-up all night yeah yeah eight one in game four you're probably turning that off after about five one oh okay i'm going to bed now yeah i have i saw some of the game i saw some goals i know the end result huh shoo i am probably not missing the stanley cup ceremony tonight right um at some point you probably could have turned games one or two off you probably shouldn't turn any Oilers or Panthers game off because you should know better especially the Oilers because they're nuts but um those games look decided for large portions of the game I mean last night was tight yeah the whole time even the Panthers take the the two goal lead it

lasted less than 90 seconds um oilers took a while to to tie it and then overtime is just uh streamers godsend like just oh it's the best oh gosh it's the best it perfect because we got a lot of people to join us for overtime but it didn't go to number two oh drew and i were happy if it went to double overtime you wouldn't have got the video till this morning uh the overtime itself nobody wanted to do anything no everybody was worried about making a mistake and then you get like the ultimate mistake by no sake well and and so let's i just sent you this picture that well here before before we get to the penalty yeah yeah i i think this is important to point out oilers dominated the panthers first period in terms of shots yeah it was like 15-5 or something

chances were like pretty even but the shots oilers dominated panthers kicked the oilers ass in the second period and what was eerily familiar about that and lots of people in the chat pointed this out the panthers when they have and you have the long change are masters of the ice they're really good holy shit and the oilers i think dominate the third looked like the much better team panthers come out at the beginning of overtime so knowing that and we've been talking about that all night how they're so good at the long change the way they started overtime i'm like panthers are winning this game easily cappening gets that breakaway the panthers for almost the rest of overtime completely flustered they iced the puck four or five times they were all out of

sorts there were lots of uh ozone face-offs for the oilers um i so i i don't necessarily agree with nothing happened um it was maybe not the most aggressive you know maybe defensemen aren't like oh you know let's turn this into a four on two yeah i don't think i didn't mean like nothing happened in this literal sense that nothing happened i thought like it was a tale of two halves like the panthers were out there uh dominating the first half and the oilers took control in the second half but both teams were not playing like it was the first three periods like if you look at the the shift chart and the changes there everybody's like i don't want to be out there for more than 40 seconds i've got to get to the bench so that i don't make a mistake

the nothing happening is nobody taking chances to ultimately cause the game to to end if i could say anything it felt like the panthers were trying to wrap it up super early because they came out dominated the first three minutes and it felt like they almost knew that if we don't do this now this game tilts oilers because of their offensive firepower it's weird i thought the oilers were the better team for all of overtime except for three shifts where i can't believe the panthers didn't end it and they were really close they're really close they had nothing except for like three shifts of 45 seconds of domination each sam bennett like he earned so much money in that overtime like he's earning so much money throughout the entire playoffs in the game and but that

overtime there was a couple of chances where he would just drive to the net and the speed that he has is so underrated like we want to talk about all the shenanigans about him falling backwards and all that fun stuff but like his offensive abilities are there when he wants to unleash them and it's not something like you look at the stat the stats where you just count them up and he's never up there with anybody but when he wants to unleash it it's right there his contract will look fine if he signs with the right team if he signs with a team that didn't make the playoffs this year if the team he signs with ends up not making the playoffs that contract is going to look like a shit heap but if he signs with a team like i don't know the panthers i i think he'll

look just fine yeah there's a there's like random landing spots he can go and his career will just like melt away yes and it'll be useless it'll be a way and he's also like a 42 in the face off dot like this is not uh you know this is not a guy let that go i won't you can't put him in the defensive zone but here he is with 12 goals and 11 on the road well and and is are you gonna give $10 million to a guy you got to shelter. Like, you got him sandwiched between

Sasha Barkov and John Lindell. And I think the $10 million thing is his agent Darren Ferris working the media as he is known to do. I think that contracts

more like seven or eight. Yeah, it's going to take seven by five in Florida. Yeah, exactly. Adam just figured out the subconscious reason why I hate him. Same agent.

Yeah, same agent. Now, can we bring up this picture? Because this picture is hilarious. So Nosek does take the penalty at the end of overtime.

I mean, look at Jake Wallman in his face. Reminds me of in 2023 when the Leafs lost in the second round. Yeah. Radko Gutis. Radko Gutis coming in and yelling into Joseph Wills' face. Me when Eisenman attaches the second to me and trades me to San Jose. Jake Wallman knows. He's like, we got this now.

That's confidence. Because the Leafs, I can tell you, Leafs would never do that because we don't have that kind of confidence. No, we don't. But that's confidence. Him laughing at Nosek like that's like, ah, every time. Every time Jake Wallman did something fun on the ice, because he loves to throw the body. What a nail gun.

He's out there being a force. And seeing him do all that stuff, I can't help but think about Steve Eisenman. Oh, my God. Every time he did anything. Eisenman was really weird about him. They asked about him in his press conference at the end of the season.

I wish we had more time to go through more. Like, Eisenman had a crazy press conference. The Bruins had a crazy press conference. We did Eisenman. Yeah, we did that one moment. but the whole press conference was weird yeah a couple moments but amount of people who defended him after that too yeah don't because he's stevie why you're in a toxic relationship you want to he wanted you a bunch of cups what are you gonna say uh oh yeah as a player yeah as a player no

you want a bunch of cups oh yeah it's really confusing it's such a blank spot i find for people who uh like want to defend eiserman you know what are we doing here he doesn't have the track record as running the whole show and like a lot of people want to give him credit for tampa but they won after he left and julian briseois as his agm and then getting the graduation to being the gm like i think he deserves the majority of credit for getting that team over the hump damn you know what's crazy about eiserman is uh he's not in tampa and hasn't been for over half a decade how is he doing with the team that currently employs him

here was Iserman on Jake Wallman at the locker cleanup hey Steve back here I think a lot of the fan base at the trade deadline wonder about Jake Wallman when you find out he goes to Edmonton and they gave up a first rounder for him and you guys had to attach a pick to send him

can you shed a little insight on Wallman and do you regret that move I guess considering you still need defense no and no no and no yeah no no okay okay he did expand on it later he said like there was some sort of situation but i don't know what it could be by the way jake okay i guess we'll just guess then i don't know if you know this but jake wallman is a great tiktok follow i just sent you a tiktok jesse don't

play the music but watch this tiktok it's actually really funny um i i uh you just cannot you cannot play the music obviously but you don't need to be it's gonna take me a second yeah so jake wallman seems to be a like a bit of a big personality that went overlooked and this is the type of guy this is yeah this is the type of guy though i think that you need he forget how he is personally you need to have you need to find guys like this if you want to be a championship winning team i'm not saying the oilers found him i think the san jose sharks found him in the sense that he was being overlooked in detroit they were able to get compensation for him on both ends and he really added to their team while he was in san jose can someone explain to me what i'm missing he seems

fun he's a nail gun on the ice he will block shots he will lay hits he can actually put up quite a few points and did in san jose why don't you want this player there is no no i don't regret no no no it's like gms who are good at their job would want to keep them unless they get or get value if you don't want them get value for yeah yeah it man a few gms did really well with jake wallman this year with steve one of them stunk two out of three now watch this it's just stupid but it's funny this is jake wallman in a nutshell like watch watch this watch watch with the cup hang on this is what he does at his house and he's also like he's just a he seems like a really fun guy all right the vibes are good i'm into it oh you gotta attach a second rounder to him and get

him the hell you know why there's too much personality here leon dry sidle the oilers no sorry the sharks really got a first and second for jake wallman yeah unreal and deservedly so i don't think edmonton regrets that the future is teal uh leon dry sidle sponsored by the detroit ninth goal of the playoffs from connor mcdavid 22nd assist of the playoffs and leon opened the scored he closed the scoring we've given connor his flowers and leon so often gets overlooked absolute clutch goal score. If there is a clutch goal to be scored, he's the guy that clearly

wants it. Can I be just a massive dork? Sure. If they win the cup, joint Conn Smythe. Make him share it. I don't think Oilers fans would hate that. Make him share it. I don't care. It's a package deal. Make him share it.

Corey Perry, though, with the work. Oh, man. Corey Perry had a great game last night. This man is playing not every shift but most shifts on the top line he's playing every power play on the top unit he's 40 40 he's played more stanley cup playoff games since 2000 than any other franchise i shouldn't say other he's not a franchise he's one man what he's doing i mean again there's a player his nickname is the worm and he's like and like loves it uh that's crazy see i've seen his play be decidedly unwormish in the way in the sense that he used to be really dirty yeah and

i don't see that anymore i see a guy who's just really effective he's 40 yeah he can't do that stuff anymore if he does his shithousery from when he was 27 they'll break him at a 27 year old yeah they'll kill him yeah yeah so he's not doing that i think he's just an effective player he is and annoying he is annoying but he's uh annoying in a way different way uh on leon dry sidle yep like you you started by saying hey leon dry sidle's good and then steve's like you know hey leon dry sidle's overlooked a lot you're like that's why we got to talk about court perry i like him starting the stanley cup uh with the goal is so important because last year he didn't score in the stanley cup final and he actually went nine the last nine games of the playoffs

without a goal last year and like the the reputation of him being clutched comes from like the many years before that in the playoffs like that what was the the 23 season where he almost led the playoffs in scoring he was only tied on the stanley cup winning goal by jonathan marsh so and he was out in round two or no high ankle spring on unbelievable yeah and on one foot he did that and 13 goals we know he can perform in the playoffs but last year when they needed him most and the early games against the panthers he was non-existent it was the it was the perfect first goal for them because forget dry sidle the oilers had one goal through the first two games yeah of the cup final yeah and to get him going so early i feel like it's such a boost uh to the

oilers and like wind underneath their sails like dry sidle the guy who couldn't score last year gets the first one and then from there how didn't we know who's going to score the ot winner you know i oh man i had a feeling that sometimes a moment happens that's just terrifying when mcdavid and ekholm score the game tying goal and they don't even raise their hands they just sort of point at each other with expressionless faces i'm like oh shit what a wagon lock again And, like, Oilers fans, take no offense to this. Don't you dare sweep. This has to go seven.

Yeah, I agree. This has to go seven. No, but then you don't have to watch your most hated team on the TV screen anymore. No, I think Panthers fans, after that rant that you went on, we deserve a seven-game series, so you have to watch them for six more games. Absolutely. Hey, listen. Every TV show worth watching, the bad guy wins a few episodes.

It's okay. They even win the cup. They even win the cup. We were talking about a few episodes. There were champs last year. Yeah, that's what I mean. Oh, I know. I didn't hate them as much last year.

I didn't hate them as much last year. Yeah. Well, they hadn't punched your goalie in the head. They got away with it and then did it again and then did it again. Yep. I think it's such a tribute to, and we talked about this in our finals preview on Monday.

You guys said the Panthers are the better team, but like all the way through the line of view is jesse i think you especially said that deeper but they're deeper but the oilers have this magic yeah that is just it's chemistry it's team play it's whatever you want to attribute it to there is a magic there they're able to hang in a way that i've never seen a team hang before in that like they can be totally be getting totally outplayed yep they can look like the lesser team but that doesn't mean they can't muster up a victory just through the way they play when they're when they're at their best and there are their defensive abilities and flipping that offense so quickly and i don't know there's there's not a

team like them in the league that plays the kind of play style that they currently have going for them that's been so successful in the playoffs there's also like mcdavid his entry i think on the third goal yes no one else is getting away with that he covers a disgusting amount of ice i um do they release the uh the tracking data um uh like the sap stuff or whatever um for the playoffs or is that just a regular season thing uh the tracking data like um you know how they do like top speed and everything but they also do distance covered yeah the nhl edge yeah i'd bet money he covers the most distance in the league oh yeah easily in these playoffs like just there are so many shifts especially on the power play it it's like trying

to swat a friggin b like he's just all around there there's no there's a structure that moves slowly and methodically like every other power play and then there's just the best player in the world going and he's just friggin everywhere magnetically attracted to the puck yeah i don't know what you do and uh beforehand i was talking with hayden about the the serendipity of like the the wayne gretzky sydney crosby and now mcdavid back-to-back cup runs and how wayne gretzky won his first cup after facing the same team that he lost the year before to sydney crosby played the same team in back-to-back years won the second time and now mcdavid who's like the next on the rung of those three tiers of players has a chance to win in the exact same way three wins away

gretzky and crosby won and it's it's weird now it's weird when the universe does these things paul maurice who can be exhausting had a really good answer after last night's game and it was basically what do you say to thomas nosek who might feel like he cost his team game one of the same he did yeah yeah adam's gonna i don't know do you hear did you hear the answer maurice gave because I feel like you'll hate it. I sure do. And you go ahead and... I would remind him

that we were down 2-0 to Toronto. And not just that the... It's a great answer. It's a great answer. Not just that they were down 2-0 to Toronto. Adding Thomas Nosek to the lineup, I think it was in Game 3. With A.J. Greer.

Hugely changed the series. Yeah, it was Sturm that came out. It was A.J. Greer, Nosek, and who else that came in? Gajewicz? Gajewicz, yeah. they were really effective or was boquist up on the top line i don't i don't remember when um when rodriguez got hurt but uh a few things changed that series the leafs were so they were up to nothing but they were also up to nothing in game three they were beating

the shit out of the panthers you could go back and watch my reaction to the goals on the stream i was like oh my god they're killing them like it's game three comes they're in florida and I'm expecting a bounce-back game. Yep. Right out of the gates, the Leafs are killing them. I'm like, oh my God, what's going on here? But a few things change. Maurice took Barkov off of Matthews

because Matthews was feeding him his lunch. Puts Lindell, and somehow that completely changes everything around. But this new-look fourth line, spearheaded by Nosek. It caved the Leafs. Ran the Leafs show. Oh my God, it ran the Leafs show. Honestly, I keep saying this, but Mitch Marner and the Leafs splitting will be what's best for both. He needs to get out and the Leafs need to stop because you can't have a fourth line that good.

You can't have a third line that good when you have that much money wrapped up at the top. Looking at the Leafs bottom six, and listen, it's a team that the Panthers beat, so I think it's relevant information. you look at the Leafs bottom six and the Panthers bottom six and you wonder why we ever thought they had a chance you know what I mean you know what I mean I do know what you mean no sick was a huge huge part of that um but Paul Maurice is a master at this he might not even play next game yeah who knows yeah and listen Jess I I I know you guys defer to me on the Paul Maurice uh I will let you train when he when he's got his nose up his rear end again I'll let you know but that was a good answer and as much as i hate it uh he's he's absolutely 100 bullseye right well you didn't

give him the other part where he talked about uh you got to go sit with him at lunch you see the full quote or he's like when we go eat dinner you know we gotta have a couple extra guys around him he's probably gonna be beating himself all all day tomorrow so hope we get a couple guys at the table with him when he gets home from a long day of coaching i think he he he probably looks i think he looks at himself and goes i did great he puts on the fire he stares up at the his whole ceiling his mirrors he has to hold the he has to hold the thing above the fire though he's got to stand there with like a drink or something he reaches onto the shelf and pulls off his favorite cam candle labeled my ass and he lights that thing and sniffs the night away like just oh my god

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That's right. There we go. Hey, Jesse Blake. Yeah. Now, I am going to switch gears. We got to get to a Gary Bettman press conference. No, we don't. All right.

We do. And we're going to go through because there were some relevant questions asked. And thankfully, Gary and Bill have they've shortened their answers significantly. Oh, that'll do. And after a bunch of Leafs press conferences where Brad and Keith Pelley were quite long winded. And frankly, I wanted them to be. I respected the fact that these answers were a little bit shorter because it gets us through it faster. But first, I must ask you guys, before we get to that press conference, do the Leafs already know?

I brought up Marner. Do the Leafs already know? Yes. And I want you to look at this tweet. Jesse, if you can bring it up. I'm sorry. I just sent it to you. Do the Leafs already know?

Because I think the Leafs already know. And I think we need to stop having this conversation. I know there's been a bazillion reports out there about Marner. And there will continue to be. I'll just say, CJ's show has had it. We've had it. Here's what happened. Marner and his people sat down

with the Leafs before the season started and said we're not signing we're not negotiating we're going to July 1st anything else that you hear is cool and exciting and fun but it is this is what happened let's get to the combat

I know but I need to throw that out there before you get to this trust me before we get to this which one's mine camera 3 let me save you all a whole lot of trouble and time we got about a month we got less than a month till the draft less than a month till free agency there is so much shit out there garbage garb out there in

the hockey world and rumor world you don't need to consume it you don't need to be surrounded by it now i bet you want to cj show cj show cj show there's a show on this network it's called the cj show chris johnston julian mckenzie they won't lead you astray they will set you right it's a great show every single time their information is not pulling it out of thin air it is not concocting it from their ass they are giving you the goods every single time cj show cj show cj show ignore everything else now do the do the leafs know jesse throw pull up this tweet this is uh nhl combine tweet featuring william nylander and austin matthews and not mitch marner and then we scroll down and it's jake mccabe and anthony stollers no look at that

i know look at that hair look at that hair it you know it's really funny wow he looks the exact same except he has like how does he still have his old man face but younger hair that's true you know what i mean oh and then there's morgan riley and oliver eckman larson and not mitch marner yeah that's the end of the tweet yeah i mean those are all guys that the leafs have locked up yeah it makes sense i just thought i just thought it was funny it's nothing guys it's absolutely nothing but i just wanted to i wanted to bring that up now let's get to gary batman because sure free uh pre-nhl um stanley cup my brain isn't working pre-stanley cup he always gives a sort of a state of the union what's that award friggin

friggin and i've got the time signatures jesse so i'll just ask you to bring up the youtube video and we can go to it um sure they spent the first little bit of this talking about you know they had marty walsh on and i i have i've heard marty walsh speak but i kind of forgot how boston marty walsh is uh steve's not even paying attention he's retweeting uh he's retweeting something i was retweeting something justin posted high five there you go you're welcome i'm just fucking it no i was gonna correct you and be like alan it's alan walsh uh no marty walsh is the most boston sounding human being there is yes uh so that was fun to kind of see him chat and they were talking about charities and stuff like that which is great and the nhl's into that uh and and

supporting that hockey fights cancer they were talking about but if you go to 1238 jesse we get our first question and it is about the cba negotiation marty walsh and gary betman were sitting at a desk and by the way as a business that largely runs on how well its hockey content does we're not cheering for a lockout so it's interesting to hear uh where we are at currently uh and gary betman kind of gives a pretty detailed explanation so hayden you can't show this footage oh you can't we can play the audio oh um yeah we can't use the uh the visuals there by the nhl network no no no why would you want to get this information out but we can play the audio okay go ahead go ahead sorry just wondering uh what you can tell us about collective bargaining

agreement negotiations and how would you characterize this round of talks compared to other rounds of talks in the past no comparison uh i think we are having very constructive professional cordial dialogue we started a little bit later than we had anticipated for a variety reasons on both sides so i don't have an announcement to make today that we have a deal but we have more than a year to go and i think we're in really good shape having really good discussions uh i think that's a testament to to marty walsh and ron hainsey and and the people out the players association uh who have been working uh tirelessly with us whether it's hockey fights cancer with the v foundation or four nations okay we can stop it there he just

keeps he keeps yakking for whatever but you said the answers were short well that one was i was like oh he because he just goes back to the whole first part of this press conference is man i'm so good i'm so you wouldn't believe the greatness that i've got up to so he recaps like you know columbus's outdoor game and the rogers deal and the four nations they've had a great year they have i mean gary betman is always campaigning for a job he's never been at risk of losing yes yeah buddy we wanted to trumpet trumpet his things and whatever and it's great no wait did did you hear what uh donald fear said this week no me neither and it's awesome so glad he's gone uh so that's exciting to hear uh there was some thought that because they were they were supposed

to start during four nations but i guess they got started a little bit later there was some thought that maybe this will be done by the end of june maybe not now uh but uh it sounds like things are going well so that's good now if we go to 1521 jesse our good friend the cute journalist chris johnson cj asks about russian players in the olympics and i thought this was a good even though we've had an announcement from the ihf and the ioc about this interesting to hear the nhl talk about it bill daily answers the question can you clarify where things are at with regards to russian players and the olympics next year why don't you answer the question well as of right now and i don't expect it to change the ioc and the double ihf has made an announcement that there

won't be a russian team participation in the winter olympics so at this point in time we don't expect russian participation period now fair enough if you need nothing no one delivers it faster and full of more nothing than bill daily now bill daily now with 50 percent more nothing people will ask how come russian athletes singularly are allowed to participate olympic athlete from russia but a team cannot and i guess the ioc has some sort of rule that the team is more representative of the of the of the um of the country that's been banned than say just one athlete because just one athlete is one athlete and so uh it is a weird distinction to make i don't know if i fully understand it but you will see russian athletes at these olympics they'll

just be called the olympic athlete from russia and they'll wear the well they're competing under the olympic flag that's correct you know like i and i understand that distinction like i feel like i feel like i don't get it i feel like because you're you're these athletes that are russian born but they don't agree with the politics they're living in some other part of the world presumably and they're they want to compete in the olympics because they can qualify the whole point of not having russia in the olympics is so that they can't sport wash you know they can't have an athlete from russia go there and be like wave the flag and everything so if there's a canadian who who lived in canada most of their lives but usually competes under

the russian flag but they can't anymore there should be a way for them to get to the olympics through a different kind because it's about the athletes it's about the athlete itself and they're going to say i want to compete under the olympic flag and not the russian flag and this isn't just for people from russia like if you're from another country that was banned from the olympics from the ioc like that is another way as an athlete you can get to the olympics right if you if the country you competed for you would have qualified through those means and like you couldn't qualify for the american team or something like that so i get that but the team thing is you're just building a team full of russians and they've kind of made that distinction because we'd all kind of just know

like that's team russia so i get that who putin is absolutely going to use to sport one exactly so if you just had all of the russians there like we all know it's even though it says what kind of a ban is it really exactly it's not really a ban so let's understand their belief that they shouldn't be participating at all and we shouldn't or if they are going to participate they shouldn't be called olympic athlete from russia they should just be called olympic athlete if we're going to ban let's ban i understand getting the athletes there but don't say from russia why is yes do they use that they do olympic athlete from russia okay yeah yeah and i think that i would change that but that's my personal opinion what do i know uh i just run a little sports channel with

my friends uh now let's go to 1550 jesse greg washinsky talking about atlanta and houston and the expansion process and i think their answer is interesting on this one it reminds me of mark bergevin and pk suban and you'll hear what i mean go ahead what's wrong well just i know i know we can't show the footage, can we just show the spill of Bill Daley's face looking at Greg Wyshynski? Come on, Greg. I don't think he likes him. Alright, sorry.

Go ahead. Greg, on the left. Greg Wyshynski, ESPN. I was wondering if there was an update on the potential for opening up an expansion process for cities like Houston and Atlanta. You can answer that one too.

Look, we've gotten a lot of interest in people and markets who want to host NHL cities, and we take a lot of meetings about them. We've decided we're not going to engage

in a formal expansion process, but if somebody wants to make, essentially apply for an expansion franchise and has all the requisite elements that we would look for in an expansion franchise, we would raise it with the Board of Governors to see if they have any interest in it. There are some people we've talked to more

than others, but there's a lot of interest, which I think we're gratified by. I'm never going to pause it there. Now, what's interesting about that is, so they're saying, you got to come to us and you got to beg, which drives the price up. And as Alan has mentioned many times, the expansion fee is expected to go from, which was, I think it was 500 million for Vegas, 650 million for Seattle, all and that's without building an arena right you have to have all that shit ready to go and they are expecting this expansion tags to come in somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.25 billion to 1.5 billion just to get the franchise and then the arena and all that stuff needs to be not only like not only does there need to be a plan there needs to be shovels in the ground it has to be

built right or on its way to being built they're not gonna they're not gonna do another situation where you know where arizona's like yeah sure we'll have one for you 25 years later they still don't yeah um i think i think that is really telling from a business perspective because it's like you come to us we are not actively pursuing this it's sort of like you're trying to be the the dangerous quiet one in the corner like oh come look at me and frankly they're going to get a lot of suitors they're playing hard to expand yeah exactly that's a good way to look at uh go to just just to update the previous conversation we had because i i thought this was the case but they did update the uh russian athletes thing at the at the last olympics in

paris they were uh called individual neutral athletes oh what they were called the um so they would short them short form them to a i n which is just the french version of it you know it's like pfk and kfc is yes montreal and that sort of stuff and there was 15 15 competitors from Russia and 17 from Belarus who competed under that neutral athlete flag. Got it. I like that they changed that. Yeah, great. So I thought it was good progress.

That's fantastic. I chose you how much attention I paid to the Russian athletes in the summer games. And also I'm surprised Russia even bothers with the summer games, to be honest. You got me thinking of all the French abbreviations of things. Oh, where they flip it? QMJHL and the LRGMQ.

Alright, here we go. Two logos. We should change STPN and have a French logo. We should! absolutely it would be network to podcast steve dangle something are you sure yeah i'm sure it would be somebody french check us yes oh we got thumbs up from the audience thank you well done adam n p s d we got to make the logo to podcast steve dangle and pay and pay s day you should have to use that logo on any montreal canadian stream you do i like that i like that let's do that let's totally do that would we need an

accent on it how is this never even occurred to us right there would be an accent it should just make it just put it on Steve Dangle which would an accent accent a good let's do

it I think Adam when you stream like your midweek games it's like Montreal or if there's ever if there's ever a Montreal game I will definitely like Saturday is a Steve Leafs

Montreal yeah we got to do it and we should have we should have a voiceover to stefan stefan dangle uh on uh and then like and have like somebody do a voiceover and like run that you're watching it and it's very obviously not me it's like whoever does the uh the air canada julian to do it oh yeah perfect french yeah there no it's we're not complicating this enough so we get someone we don't know justin's texted that it's not it's resue the podcast

steve dangle so the podcast no no we're gonna call it network we're gonna call it network rds is that what rds stands for rezu i so he just typed in in the translator on google steve dangle podcast network and that's what it comes out with rezo the podcast steve dangle so i was right except for rezu all right so we'd have to be rdpsd sure okay what is that's silly our that's okay Nobody in English already gets it right, so why not French, too? That should be the title of the show, RDP, yes. Go to 1646, Pierre Lebrun and Gary Bettman. Pierre gets two questions in this, and they have a little back and forth,

and it's going to land weird. Do they fight? Well, it sounds like they are, but I think Gary's just a bit awkward, and so I think he's actually just teasing Lebrun. Do they wreck each other's collars? They don't. Do they go tarps off? No, they don't go tarps off.

No. can you imagine gary bettman standing up all right all right so what you're not gonna do so here we here we go on rose down at 1646 go ahead jesse pierre gary any update uh on your future as commissioner you know there's been a lot of rumblings over the last year potential succession plan i'm just wondering where that is now uh the rumbling seemed to all emanate from you sassy I know he was I did check with people who were there and they were like no that's just

them joking like it wasn't there's a few sassy comments to Gary Gary gets a little sass I didn't hear this yeah so go ahead and play it again start from the beginning 1646 some people we well first of all dick right Pierre

Gary any update on your future as commissioner you know there's been a lot of rumblings over the last year about a potential succession plan i'm just wondering where that is now uh the rumbling seemed to all emanate from you bars i'm not rumbling there's nothing new to report uh i continue to love what i do i continue to be energized and i do acknowledge that uh age at some point i suppose can become a factor but as i sit here today with you it's not by the way Lou Lamorello wrote in that word.

Age can be a factor, but I'm 806 and it doesn't bother me yet. Is there more to there is there's a question later. We'll get to it. But that was from this back and forth. No, no, no. But I thought it was interesting. And and here's the deal. Gary's got a year left.

He's leaving at the end of the year. He's just not going to say that. Chris has reported it. Pierre's reported it. It's happening. It makes so much. And Bill will take over probably an interim basis until they find another long term. Why does he have a year left?

Because he signed a five-year contract extension at the height of the Kyle Beach situation. Oh, got it. Yeah. Good context. I think the CBA negotiations that they're going through now are kind of his swan song. Yes.

He's going to go off into the sun after he signs that, and the expansion that's coming down the pipeline will be his legacy that he leaves with the league and getting it up to 30-14. Sheldon, he's actually booked Sheldon Keefe's spot on the lake to shoot his goodbye video. Where he floats off. Thank you, NHL.

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about the PWHL jailbreak rule. And if you don't know what that is, if you score a shorthanded goal in the PWHL, you jailbreak the person on your team that's taken the penalty, which is such a sick idea. And I love Gary's answer to this because it's so sassy

and you're going to hate it. That's why I'm so excited to play this. You also can't change your lines when you take a penalty. So whoever's on the ice when you take a penalty, they have to start on the penalty kill. And then you can change. And then you can change. What's the puck drop?

I like that. Steve's indifferent. We have so many Bobby McMahon and Matt's Patcher Ready shorthanded opportunities with Max Domi in the box. Oh, my God. Max! We just have to put him out there with two penalties. Yeah.

Are you not a fan? I love that. I don't know. that feels like over complicated yeah but icing same thing you can't change the icing it's a disadvantage you're doubling down on the disadvantage I like that yeah but

you're punishing their line mates for no good reason I didn't trip them you did well one person iced the puck why are you punishing the rest of the line you're punishing the team that's a good one alright alright I like that rule I think it's creative but anyway here's what go ahead and play

hi Gary Jolene Latimer with the score in the nhlpa's player poll this year one of the questions was about pwhl rules and which rules they would like to see in the league about 30 percent of players said they would like to see the jailbreak rule in the league i'm just curious how much attention you're paying to the innovation in the women's game and whether they're it's realistic we would ever see a real change like that well 70 didn't but uh we we try to pay attention to everything that's going on in the hockey world what's great is that the pw's now pause it there because then he just goes and hey the pwhl's in a great start ball of war gary betman to have a pleasant interaction with another human

challenge so here's the thing gary's actually gary's actually wrong what the nhlpa questionnaire asked was which rule would you take and three and that was the lead one that most players took but there were other rules that were available it was a multiple choice so gary's saying that 70% of NHLers said they wouldn't want that rule is actually and nobody's going to hold me to account for this, but that's completely inaccurate. And it's clear that he didn't read and doesn't care. And I don't

necessarily blame him about the NHL PA poll or whatever. But then he goes on to say, we're not going to take her with the rules. We're happy with our game. That's what he says. But I just thought that, well, 70% of people said they didn't. Needed to be a little bit. We need to address that a little bit.

There's no reason you to go back at anybody like that. That scary sense of humor it doesn't land well no okay if he's trying to be funny i think that is him being he's a sassy boy he's been a sassy boy okay he attempted fine um now 21 30 frank cerevalli about the all-star game in new york this is something i didn't know they are going to do an event this year this coming 26 but they're also going to do the all-star event in new york at ubs in 2027 which tells me well we'll get to it after let me tell you what it tells me after thanks cam questions

second row frank frank saravalli daily face off um gary given the interest in building off of the success of four nations do you have any details to share about what the prior all-star weekend in long island might look like that's a great question and we're getting asked it a lot um we we set a pretty high bar for all-star weekends in all sports i think there was an announcement today that one league is changing its format uh in response to this one league say the nba that leaves the national basketball association currently even though they're having a bit of a down year you're currently eating your lunch revenue why does he have to pretend like he's never heard of another league that he worked for he worked for that league nice he was the

he was the under like he worked right underneath the commissioner steve uh a league is having a game in february on a sunday afternoon two teams are going to compete for a bowl or something oh never heard of that league i don't know does it feature uh thomas brady yeah like what what the fuck is that stupid success that we have changed weekends in long island might look like That's a great question, and we're getting asked it a lot. We set a pretty high bar for all-star weekends in all sports. I think there was an announcement today that one league is changing its format in response to the success that we had.

How many more of these are there, Adam? We've concluded that whatever we do for next season needs to take into account that the players are going to be very focused on getting to Milan and playing in the Olympics, and we want to respect that. So there will be an event the following year at UBS, and we're still trying to figure out what we can do that will do justice to the level of interest and authenticity that we and the players created in four nations. So that's still a work in progress. So leaving it there, it's pretty clear that the NHL head office and the owners were like no you're doing an all-star game and the players said actually no we're not

and because they have sense because of course it makes no sense but that's why nhl head office would want to do it and i think the you have to remember that they're looking at this like well we don't get revenue for the next two weeks after that that's how they look at this they're looking at february as it's a lost month revenue wise that's why they don't want to go to the 100 because that what do they make off of it and so they're looking at this and now that's a stupid way to look at it i acknowledge that but that's how they're looking at it if you look at it from a business perspective okay i've got my team and they play every month and it takes me one or two or two and a half weeks to break even that month on my expenses these guys right wouldn't understand

relevance if it died so if if i lose two of those weeks then i'm underwater that month and that's how they'll look at it now that happens once every four years but this is how when you get especially when you are run by accountants and not and not the cool accountants you know who i'm talking about the bean counter accountants who are like yeah no creativity just cuts um that is what happens and the reality is that going to the olympics is important to the players and thank god it is because they're the players are doing nhl owners a huge favor here and putting the game on an international stage what does that do it brings up the value of their franchise isn't that wild yeah dude the four nation face-off was a godsend for the league and all they took from it was that

they made money off of it yeah yeah these guys are clueless yep hockey the gold medal hockey game is always the most important event at the winter olympics yep that is a the sporting event that the entire world is watching at once how can you not see value in having crosby and matthews and mcdavid and all the guys going head to head in on the biggest sporting stage you could possibly imagine you can't put it on a spreadsheet like it's so ridiculous it's so short-sighted you haven't set foot in a grocery store in 40 years or spoken to a regular person in about the same amount of time yeah that's how yeah yeah yep dude so but yeah with the all-star thing so yeah because they're taking it away from and the governor wrote the nhl a letter about they're

they're giving them back at the all-star game the following year which makes perfect sense i understand that they actually get two events i'm begging good for them and and that's going to be a non four nations or world cup year because world cup is 2028 they gotta do something maybe they gotta do so they gotta find something they got two years to do it two and a half years to figure out how to make 2027 february relevant because if they go back to the all-star format it will go back to being just a local event and we had it here in toronto and in 2024 and it was fun but like relevancy no one gives a shit it's a fun local the only thing i remember about what actually happened on the ice is that kucherov threw a fit that's all i remember yeah it was

negative that's it that's all i can remember there was no other storylines it was all what was happening off the ice that people like i liked michael buble's involvement it's good that he didn't commit to an all-star game but we just know some sort of hockey events happening at ubs and that little weekend in 27 let's see if they can come up with something that's actually compelling uh now two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear

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tax issue which there is no issue except for the fact that there are some teams with tax-free states and some teams without i'm gonna fist fight you on that after this okay what what time is 24 40 yeah what i mean is there is no issue is is the nhl looks at is there is no issue Oh, well, then I'm just fighting Gary. Yeah, here we go. Do you want to, for the Associated Press again, for either Gary or Bill, there's been a lot of talk about sort of the state income tax thing,

and obviously every league deals with this from market to market. Is it something that could be part of CBA Talks, or is it something that's just the landscape of reality that teams and players have to deal with? Why don't you answer it, because you know I hate the issue. So, I mean, obviously anything can be part of CBA Talks. I think the first step is you have to understand and identify whether it's an issue that you're concerned about. Certainly, it's an issue that some of our franchises have raised as a concern.

I guess what I'd say is at this point, we don't share the level of concern that they have. And what I'd say on top of that is these imbalances have existed forever. Like, there's nothing new here. there are so many reasons why a player may choose to play in a particular location for a particular team for a particular coach that have nothing to do with the tax situation in that in that market so i don't expect it's anything we're going to address proactively as part of this collective bargaining negotiation obviously we'll continue to monitor as we always do issues in the game okay here's where i get so frustrated okay because there's a lot of people a growing

pocket of people who say the tax issue is no issue and then they proceed to not explain it at all uh alan has there are ways around it you just have to do creative accounting there are ways okay that means but you have to understand that most of these athletes are are they don't care yes they just see number on paper so it is a thing that you can get around but you still have to get around the thing what what drives me nuts is people are like it's not an issue then i hear shack shack uh i don't uh was it new heights he was on some sort of prominent he's got his own podcast new heights thank you audience member appreciate that he was on new heights so this is one of the most notable nba players of all time talking to uh one of the most notable taylor

swiss boyfriend taylor swiss boyfriend one of the most notable people in popular culture like in sports and pop and all that um and he's talking about yannis and where yannis is going to go yannis one of the biggest stars in the nba and he goes well you know first of all you go to la you go to california 50 of your money goes to taxes that was the first thing he said and it's not just that shack is one of the most prominent people in the history of the nba he's also one of the wealthiest like in terms of the players um he's also been a smart businessman afterwards very smart businessman afterwards investing in this i see his face every time i go to the grocery store because his box is on freaking food like this guy has everything it's

on icy hot it's on didn't he invest printers ring cameras printers this guy's name is attached to everything and the first thing he says is taxes okay there was a player at the nba draft combine they're like oh you know like what if the raptors draft you and he's like i don't really know anything about toronto i know they have high taxes up there the first and only thing he knows about canada is there's high tax he didn't even mention the winter right he didn't mention the weather nothing so don't tell me it's not an issue do not tell me it's not an issue don't tell me it's it's not an advantage for these teams i think i nailed it earlier they've always had this advantage the difference was the organizations were shit the lightning organization for a large

chunk of their existence were not worth being a part of the panthers organization triple that time triple doubly quadruply so they were irrelevant hey the coyotes great tax situation nobody wanted to be there great tax situation there is no building the one drawback is uh we're not sure where we're gonna be next you're getting dressed in what looks like a uh like where they where they do uh those sunday training classes at a home depot like sawdust everywhere and shit vegas it's no tax and it's like all the glitz and glamour and they're gonna spend and hey look at that we're winning and they're gonna take whatever they're gonna do whatever it takes to win it's absolutely an advantage it's just these organizations stunk it's an

advantage but i don't think it's anything that needs to be put in a rule to kind of level the playing field because i don't think it's more than an advantage than like oh it's nice weather in the south here you have to remember too that only 41 of the games count because wherever you're playing you're getting taxed in that jurisdiction you get taxed in each location you play in not necessarily uh just where you're living all year round and if you can choose to live wherever you want if you are a professional athlete making millions of dollars so the other thing the last thing i'll say is that there is a solve for this and it's called luxury tax which is what i keep hammering luxury to hard tax would solve this problem and you would have teams that you know

it's all within the ability of each of these teams to pay into it and it would help support the smaller market teams even more because you tax the teams that spend more even more and instead of taxing uh uh instead of having this hard hard cap you're basically saying we dare you to spend more money and i look at this as like if you had 15 million dollars at the top of the cap that was all luxury tax and you pay for every dollar that you pay that player you got to pay three dollars into this tax so it's a crazy high tax yes not only is the revenue sharing better because it's garbage by the way no everybody thinks that the the salary cap protects teams because it it uh it not just evens the playing field but the money dispersed is so much or it's

so small it's tiny the worst team that ever got like a equalization payment like the coyotes got like five million dollars a season that is nothing when it comes to this it helps them accomplish nothing the reason that the nfl is so successful with its smaller market teams your pittsburgh's your green bays your places like that is not only the fan support but their revenue sharing is legit and you're seeing it in baseball right now where you know the pirates have this generational pitcher and they run a small market team and their owners are putts and doesn't want to spend any money and until there's meaningful revenue sharing in that league which there isn't currently they're not going to get there if you if you created meaningful revenue sharing this tax situation

goes away right but i don't like i agree that a luxury tax would be a lot better for the nhl but i don't think like you should do it to accomplish solving this problem because i don't think it's a problem that needs to be solved because it's just the nature of living anywhere and that's an advantage that teams have in different ways all the time like the Leafs have an advantage because of their medical staff guys go there all the time because of that medical staff you don't see the the league jumping over backwards to try and solve that issue for everybody else the New York Yankees have an advantage because they are the New York Yankees like and you don't the Miami Marlins just set some abysmal record about their attendance and like a hundred

people showed up to their game or whatever they play in a tax-free state 20 minutes from uh from the they play right next is a piece of shit yeah they play right next to the florida panthers you don't hear one peep but the org sucks any baseball team talking about you know the miami marlins playing a tax-free state let's go fix this with cba issues it's such a small um small league issue to hear these guys complaining about the it's it's small minded i have an issue with it i'm i'm gonna be honest with you jesse i i disagree with you on that i think it is an issue and i think when you couple because here's the thing most of these places that have tax-free are also in great locales dallas florida tennessee seattle like places that are like a plus living so you

couple those two no you don't get any services but you don't need those i'm even hearing from people that are going we won't sign in california because i guess they introduced a few new taxes and their taxes like new york is the same high taxes and people want to play for the rangers because it's new york city but that if they didn't have that and then and then your other option is like the buffalo holy shit these are poorly run sabers i like i don't know i'm hearing los angeles i'm hearing los angeles's name come up in places where players are hesitant to go because of the tax yes but so to finish my point like it's a small-minded issue i think from these players who are not thinking about the bigger picture like they're thinking about it

Very simply, this state has tax. I'm going to get less money. It's the Shaq thing you're pointing out. But other athletes don't look at that similar situation. The Los Angeles Dodgers are the kings of bringing people to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Whatever state tax they have in California, that is not deterring players from signing the biggest contracts we've ever seen in the state of California. It's because these NHLers are looking at this at such a simple level of like, hey, you know, it's easy to play in Florida. i'm gonna go there state tax my paycheck at the end of the day is gonna be good like you said

alan says this shouldn't be a problem at all because there are ways around it yeah so i don't understand your i think this i think the issue now with jesse is that the way around it is what john tavaris did and guess what they're suing him the cra is suing him sure but like that that's one way to solve it like i'm not suing mitch marner though and there's another like local guy yeah got like maybe Tavares or his guys were just irresponsible that that's one specific scenario I think across the board is he he makes the argument and I think he would know there's creative accounting to get around it and you not these athletes not thinking about like hey this isn't an issue if I want to play there I can just play there like that's so you're not looking at

the bigger picture what about the teams though because it's he you know what's interesting is it wasn't the players that talked about it he said we've had some organizations reach out and we don't agree yes because it's bubbling up like everything everything trickles down or trickles up like people are talking about the there's a reason we're having this conversation right now is because people have talked about it so i feel like people within the game have gotten these conversations i assume some gms think they're being hampered by um the state tax thing and i'm like build a better team and organization well like if you think that's if you think that's what's holding you back like that's my small mindedness thing if you think that's the issue of you why you can't get players

build a better but jesse it's so much easier to change something else than change yourself i don't know now let's listen listen to this bill zito clip i just sent you yeah uh because bill zito talks about it they asked him before the stanley cup final i thought this dovetailed perfectly with why players want to come play in florida well you've built a championship team everyone's talking about sort of the state income tax thing but what are the advantages of sort of the market you have and as a general manager when you're sort of building a roster and attracting players in free agency or trades how do you sort of use those advantages to sort of build the roster you have well no one comes or cares i think the most important thing

for us in attracting players is i think the players have understood now how much we've been empowered by ownership to try to do the right things and i it can't be overstated what the biola family has done for us to to allow us to implement whether we need a new practice rink okay and here you go and it's beautiful that's great and to allow us uh san jose's got a new one too to try to do the things that we think are necessary to to try to win and to try to have an excellent organization i think the players feed off that and they know that if if the chicken isn't right that we're going to get new chicken and um and it sort of transcends all that we do it sounds silly but but it's it's true and it's real

um the sun doesn't kill us um it's it's a nice environment to live in it's a good place for families it's a good place for singles it's it's got a little something for everybody and and then i'll i'll point to to paul and the coaching staff in that room and players no i i think i'm not going to go through each one but so many of the players who have come to us have had career years and it's a function of the coaches in the room so players from the outside i think that the tax thing is marginal at best and also it's a factor then i think the real reasons are that trying it's a factor like everything else he said yeah you i think you missed the point entirely steve bill zito sounds nothing like i thought he would by the way he

sounds very nice whenever i see him he's got his laser eyes out but you know he's he's yeah he's got i think he nailed it he did like he did he in the first there was like 45 seconds where i'm like you have said so far they have a new practice rank and the rest of it is garnish yeah uh and then he gets into the coaching staff and guys and the lifestyle years and the and the sun and the families dude we saw it the guys the guys there like one of the guys we talked to from the barracuda was like man i'm from oshawa you actually wasn't from oshawa curtis from curtis and he said like he's like i'm soft now like i don't want winters anymore like it's not though because the taxes are high and nobody chooses to sign there yeah nobody likes

california i feel like it's on their reason it's not something to bend over backwards to make a rule about because there are competitive advantages in a million different ways within these organizations and you're never going to pinpoint every single way that a team might sign a guy or not yep yep and what what each guy's wants and needs are and if they have a smart agent they'll educate them on how they can get around the tax issue that is because you can do that you ever just need to be in a bad mood yeah you ever hate when a friend tries to get you out of it yeah sometimes it's like you're resentful you just want to be upset at the panthers like I feel like that's been the whole game.

You're making perfect sense. And I got to tell you, not the time. No, okay. Jesse, okay. Jesse? Yeah. Okay. I just want to hear when this conversation starts happening

with NBA players and playing for the Lakers. Like, call me. Yeah, I'm sure Luke is really pissed that he's losing so much more money in taxes because look, Texas to California, he's losing a lot more money. Oh, yeah. You know where he's making it? He's Luka Doncic and he's playing for the Lakers. he's gonna make it back we gotta do we gotta do two corrections from last show

one i when i was trying to defend uh crosby for winning that con smith trophy i was looking at the playoff stats from the penguins uh 17 run and not the 16 run i was like crosby had as many points as kessel did he didn't he i was looking at the wrong year so correction on that and you were talking about the most famous slovenians in uh in america and california and you didn't mentioned and you said kopitar uh luka donchic plays in the same building oh i thought you meant milani so jesse luka donchic across the hall plays in the same arena so jesse was like idiot you miss luka donchic and adam goes idiot you miss milani and trump i was making a milani and trump joke oh okay well i'm getting like luka donchic exists yes yeah he was making a milani a trump

joke but yeah luca uh there's a bunch of other stuff that's happening around the nhl that we're going to save for tomorrow's show because we are recording tomorrow but i figured these are the two most important things the game and the gary press conference the one thing i will leave you with is uh elliot friedman said to brad marshand on an interview before uh before the finals listen this is hockey night in canada would you consider coming to canada and he said yeah i mean i'm going to listen to anything we'll deal with it when it comes and we'll see what the right fit is Talk is cheap Talk is cheap

You want to see it Taxes aren't But talk is cheap We will be back tomorrow So it's a Double ender Double episode I don't know if that's the term

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