The Steve Dangle Podcast - Report & Reckoning | October 27, 2021

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the guys discuss the results and fallout of the independent investigation, done by the law firm Jenner & Block, on the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks and the team's choice to protect former video coach Brad Aldrich, instead of John Doe, the victim of his sexual assault. This podcast recounts stories of sexual assault, and may be upsetting for some listeners. If you or someone you know is in need of support, resources can be found: https://endingviolencecanada.org/sexual-assault-centres-crisis-lines-and-support-services/ For our American listeners, a list of resources can be found here: https://www.rainn.org/national-resources-sexual-assault-survivors-and-their-loved-ones Originally aired: October 27, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/FdcuafmPGx0 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://manscaped.com/ https://helixsleep.com/sdp https://betmgm.com/ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

uh so today's show and uh next episode are going to be almost exclusively about what came out yesterday um and i and uh it obviously has to do with the chicago blackhawks findings I'd like to say something off the top Steve's feeling a little under the weather I know that So he's going to be a nasally boy today And we're going to take little breaks here and there So you can blow your nose

I tested negative We should also say It's not COVID-19 We're not used to hearing sick people anymore I know it's weird right Well couldn't miss this show could we So no we couldn't and we can't miss the next one So there's a couple things I want to say here

right off the top let me get through this stuff and and we'll kind of explain everything in context so the chicago blackhawks um if you haven't seen this i don't know how but chicago blackhawks clearly chose on ice success over investigating and dealing with abuse within their ranks and you know in the 107 page report yesterday as of this recording we're still gleaning things from that we're still learning because it takes a long time to get through 107 pages of legal documents and all the stories contained within we also believe that more information on this story will break as the days go on so you know usually you have a massive when it comes to the news cycle you have a massive story and then tremors ripple throughout uh in

the following days so by the time you hear this it's a very good chance that some of it maybe not It wouldn't be at a date necessarily, but there may be more information available than what is currently available for us right now. That's why on Friday, we will have Rick West, head of TSN, joining us again. Rick was gracious enough to grant his time. He's had an unbelievable week, as has Katie Strang. Both of them, people who've been on this show, both of them who we respect and admire immensely. So he'll be on for the full show. And by then, we don't know what this story will look like.

as of this recording, Joel Quinville and Kevin Sheveldayoff are still working at their perspective jobs, or sorry, at their current jobs. Now, what I'll say about this show here is there's no possible way that we can cover the entire story in one show. And there will be details of the report that we will unintentionally or intentionally leave out of this show in the interest of getting to the main part of the story, because we are still learning new things and you know i want you to know that and i'm trying to jump ahead of hey guys you missed this or hey guys you missed that we know we know and we know that you have to know that it's just impossible in a 90 minute show to get through 107 pages of legal documents

if we tried to read read it out loud verbatim it would take several hours just to do that so um we know we're going to miss important details because this dossier is stacked with a mountain of horrendous details of repeated sexual abuse and inaction we know that we can't get to everything also i want to say um we need to send it a uh a trigger warning uh for sexual assault to anyone who may be affected by this it's very important that you if you or somebody you know are dealing with trauma that you have the heads up and if you're sharing this episode we ask that you give the heads up on this one whether it's social media or it's through a text message or however it is you listen and share this show um if you if you are so kind as to share it ever on this

particular one we ask that you put a trigger warning for anybody you don't know who needs one and who doesn't so just put it out there and i think that's the thing right it's like well i didn't know that they needed one no just put it out there this stuff is deep it's dark it's ugly and there's no reason that all of us shouldn't jump on board with that you have no idea what other people are going through and it's shocking the numbers of people who have experienced similar abuse to the ones outlined in these dossiers. And if you know anyone who needs help, or if you yourself need help, there's a link in our description right now. It's the Ending Violence Association of Canada. They provide sexual assault centers, crisis lines, and support

services. All the information there is in the description. Just hit the link and you'll find all the resources you need to get help, or if you need someone who needs help. There it is. Lastly, and I can only speak for myself on this one, I found yesterday to be one the darkest days i've personally had following and quote-unquote covering hockey ever um and all i had to do was read it so i can only imagine what it would be like to live it and uh the basics are as follows um as of right now stan bowman has stepped down as the general manager of the black hawks and usa hockey after the investigation results were revealed he was allowed to by the blackhawks by mutual agreement step aside they mutually agreed to that we'll talk about that

yep also he was allowed to step down from usa hockey uh also senior vp of hockey ops al mckissick uh of the chicago blackhawks who's been there for a long long time and was there during this incident has departed the organization that according to frank cervalli as far as we know he was also allowed to resign um now there is a pattern here with being allowed to resign but we'll get to that um in a press conference yesterday rocky and danny wirtz uh made clear they're the owners and ceo and chairman uh made clear that they were unaware of any wrongdoing until the lawsuit was filed in may it seems as though the the uh the firm jenner and block who conducted the investigation supports that um the findings confirmed the incident alleged by john

doe one took place that aldridge had him at his house turned on adult movies masturbated and ejaculated on the player threatened him with a chicago club's baseball bat when he tried to leave and told him he'd be in trouble if he reported it something to that effect aldridge alleges the incident was consensual john doe one says it was not it was reported uh to a skating coach uh paul vincent who was brave enough to come out with rick westhead uh and and discuss what the actual events were and at that time john doe one told paul vincent an abbreviated version of what had happened paul vincent got in touch with the team's performance coach um who then got the full story and reported it to upper management team president john mcdonough can

you say that part again so so so paul vincent yes got an abbreviated version he would have gotten a couple you know the tweet version yes then the performance coach gets the full version james gary james gary i didn't say james gary but i just said performance coach okay okay that's sorry is that okay yeah yes it is okay i'm still piecing this together no and if i if i mess any of the there are a lot of details so if i'm off on anything i want to be as accurate as possible you guys catch anything no that's a very key little part there and we'll get to that later so that's good um james i guess it's james gary i didn't write his name down performance coach took it to um upper management team president john mcdonough general manager stan bowman

head coach joel quinville assistant general manager kevin shovel day off uh vp of hockey ops uh al mckissick and others they were all in a meeting to figure out what to do with this it is confirmed that at this meeting team president john mcdonough spoke about how hard it was to get to the third round and how they may not ever be there again quinville head coach spoke about how the team was not in a place to be able to absorb this information and let me give you uh rick westhead's exact tweet on that according to the director of human resources jim gary uh during the meeting joel quinville appeared angry and was concerned about upsetting team chemistry. According to the investigation, again, this is a Rick Westhead tweet, Bowman

recalled that after learning of the incident, Quinville shook his head and said it was hard for him, sorry, hard for the team to get where they were and they could not deal with this issue now. Now that's an important detail. That's a really important detail. I want you to hang on to that last half of that last sentence. They could not deal with this issue now because apparently the takeaway from this meeting was team president john mcdonough said he would take it and report it john mcdonough waited three weeks to report this he did not report it right away he waited till after the cup had been won because remember this happened at the end of the third round yep going into the stanley cup final after the cup had been won after aldridge who got

to be there the whole time celebrate have his name on the cup have his cup going to come to his hometown have a stanley cup ring got to celebrate in the company of the person he abused and it led to this failing to report the alleged assault had consequences and again this is uh rick westhead this is from the uh uh obviously from the dossier after deciding not to do anything with the allegations then blackhawks coach video sorry then blackhawks video coach brad aldridge made made sexual advances on a 22 year old intern with an NHL team so because they did not

report this to HR on the day that it happened or the day they found out or the day they had the meeting three weeks elapsed and this person offended again and changed somebody else's life for the worse again

the Blackhawks yesterday were fined $2 million for not following their own policies that's by the nhl i want to put that into context the devils were fined three million and draft picks for kovalchuk's bad contract now i'm going to stop there because there is more but let's go through this again i wanted to give you the basics because i wanted to know i wanted you all to know where we're going so i am what everything i told you we're going to start from the beginning again and we're going to break each piece down sure so stan bowman stepped down as the general manager of blackhawks and usa hockey after the investigation results and by the way

we'll link to it sports net's got the entire 17 minute clip of uh the warts family uh danny and rocky and uh um of course um yeah char of jenner and char speaking on camera about this jenner and block the representative is uh the the partner is char excuse me um so we'll link to that so that you can see it because it's important that you see it and actually i was shocked yesterday by how few people had seen it and shocked this morning by how few people had seen it 17 minutes press conference yeah yeah it's it's it's a it's it's um i mean you i don't know you guys must have watched it live i didn't get the chance to watch it live but um i watched it later and full disclosure my girlfriend's a lawyer so i wanted to watch it with her um and so it was one of those

where um you know you sit there and steve was texting during it and i was on a on a business call and going like pulling my hair out god like god like how can i be missing this sorry bro so it's it's okay and and you know steve you said it was riveting in the worst way i said it was explosive it's and what you know rick west had watching him on tv and and i suppose we'll get to him later and also friday um he said he was at a loss for words because i think we all sort of expected the worst we uh didn't have the most optimism for what this investigation would uh would yield we thought it would be probably unsatisfactory there wouldn't be that many answers and the reason i was saying it was explosive is i was like oh my god it confirms

everything everything and not in a million years that i think that was going to happen so we'll start with stan bowman who has been at the at the center of this as a i i think as a public facing person in power frankly probably the most notable of all the names that were mentioned in upper management you know john mcdonough had a lot of power back then when he was still with the blackhawks and i believe was run out of the organization last year because of some political infighting there was he was fired under odd circumstances but i don't believe it had anything to do with this at least i've never read that it did not outwardly stan bowman was given the opportunity to after the allegations came out in may given the opportunity

to run an nhl franchise now when it did make the playoffs but he got to do the draft he got to do free agency he got to make trades he got to take them all the way through training camp he got to make the team's uh first pick uh 32nd overall with a bunch of women behind him essentially as a shoe oh that's right yeah i forgot about that here i'll send you the picture just so you know We've done it We sat here during the summer and I called it disgusting And it was performative and it was gross A lot of people missed it because it was the pick after Logan Mayhew

So one more time for anybody that hasn't seen it Stan Bowman this summer Walked up to the podium With a 30 second overall pick Surrounded by probably 8 women I think it was 8 From the organization And it's not that you shouldn't invite women onto the stage

Of course you should and that's under normal circumstances a wonderful idea but it felt very performative at the time and forget that the gesture seemed performative it shouldn't have been Stan Bowman on that stage at all given the circumstances yeah because all of the allegations

that come out and the PR team was like okay what can we do here Stan what can we do to fix your image and they threw him up there with nine other women and it was gross that's the thought and it's unfortunate because I feel like they were used

right the people on there yeah it's not even like that was exactly what happened they were trying to skirt the allegations by making his image better and that's what he did he walked up there now he was given the opportunity to step down and i i i tweeted about this yesterday there's a lot of people who um uh who were on me about the fact that well yeah somebody said yeah calm down social justice warrior he only stepped down so they wouldn't have to pay him and i have to be honest with you what so so i guess the whole thing is is that if you let someone go you have to pay severance um but i'm not sure if you guys have heard of this term uh uh dismissal with cause uh which i believe this falls under because that's dereliction of

duty yeah and i spoke and i and i this is how much i wanted to make sure this was the case i spoke to another lawyer who's an employment lawyer and i said so let me just get this straight if somebody was fired whatever they she she did tell me that you know you can you can go back and sue somebody but she's like in this particular case i don't think that's going to happen well and also isn't that not even necessarily true because brad aldrich was also asked to resign basically and received thirty five thousand dollars compensation twenty thousand of which was uh i guess a departure whatever you call it and he got his severance yeah severance thank you And he got his $15,000 playoff bonus.

Yes. So just so we're clear on this, Stan Bowman, able to do all of that, able to announce three of the players. I think it was Kane, Matthews, and whoever else. Seth Jones. Seth Jones. Seth Jones for the USA Olympic roster. He was allowed to do all that.

And they knew this was coming. Neither organization put him on administrative leave. Because here's the thing. I get not wanting to make a move until the results are out. I get it. Completely understand that. You know, you don't want to fire somebody and then find out, from a legal perspective, you don't want to fire somebody and find out that they didn't do anything wrong.

These things take longer than any of us would like. But you can put somebody on administrative leave. Neither USA Hockey, the USA Olympic Committee, nor the Chicago Blackhawks, or the NHL for that matter, stepped in and did that. so that's that's interesting to me both of them got the step aside mutually agree senior vp of hockey ops alma kizik also a part of that meaning again allowed to step aside or step down and he personally handed the stanley cup ring to brad aldridge i didn't know that detail oh yeah so brad aldridge allowed to resign so here's here's how they framed it so when this was all reported

and it finally did make it to hr three weeks after it should have they took brad aldridge in And they said, listen, you got a choice here. You can resign or, and this is the interesting part, or we'll just do an investigation and we'll find out what happened. So he resigned, took his severance. And from what I understand, there was a letter of recommendation. which was uh weirdly destroyed and no we no lawyers could find it right his aldridge go ahead no no you tell you said aldridge's file couldn't be found by the jenner and block employers

lawyers even though employers from that time period had their files intact aldridge's was surprisingly just it disappeared how did that happen i don't know how it happened i don't know if we have the language in front of us but i thought the language used by jenner and block when they pointed that out was very interesting because they in very subtle lawyer speak we're like we don't know what the fuck is up with this because yeah when they made that statement the following sentence was that other employees we had their records but not all jerseys and just to confirm what i said a moment ago to adam mike stevens who did read the 107 page he was unbelievable in its entirety yesterday mikey stevens 81 follow him yeah he also wrote an

article for sports illustrated slash the hockey news yesterday according to the report brad aldrich attended the blackhawks banner raising ceremony the next season on october 9th 2010 and was personally handed a stanley cup ring by al mc isaac um if you see me on my phone a lot that's what i'm doing that's fine um in the press conference yesterday and this is my notes rocky and danny wurtz made clear that they were unaware of any wrongdoing fine general block seemed to confirm that fine uh they did mention that the accounts of what happened between john doe one and brad aldridge varied wildly they did mention that the accounts of the meeting between blackhawk senior manager

mcdonough's bowman quinville shovel day off and others varied wildly but they had independent sources who were there who said well actually this is what happened and and i thought i thought it was quite interesting because um you know john mcdonough here you know stan stan bowman deserves his shit and we'll get to him okay we're getting back because we should also get to his state we will we will for sure that's exactly where i'm headed okay there's a few statements you can wipe your ass with mcdonough basically said i'll handle this at least that's according to what what the investigation found and then and then waited three weeks so the hawks could win the cup or at least have a shot at it now and this is jesse uh exactly where we wanted to go

stan bowman did release a statement i'm going to read the statement and then we're going to talk a little bit about it since joining the blackhawks in 2000 i've been extremely grateful for the opportunities presented to me this organization uh beginning with the words family has been extraordinary uh to me and my family that's why today after discussions with rocky and danny have decided to step aside team needs to focus on its future and my continued participation would be a distraction i think too much of this organization to let that happen now that's baseline pr you're always going to do that this is where i really want you to pay attention 11 years ago while serving in my first year as general manager i was made aware of potential inappropriate behavior

by a then video coach involving a player i promptly reported that matter to the then president and ceo who committed to handling the matter i learned this year that the inappropriate behavior involved a serious allegation of sexual assault yeah that part caught my eye so he is saying i was made aware of a potential inappropriate behavior i reported it but i didn't know it was sexual assault until the lawsuit was filed this year so that's part of the reason why i asked you to distinguish who was who earlier okay because paul vincent who is the skating coach a skating coach largely a hero in all this because john doe one approached him uh he relayed a condensed version of the story um so when i heard you say that i went oh maybe you know maybe stan's telling the

truth maybe he didn't know the full thing maybe he didn't know sexual assault but the performance coach knew and he reported it yeah so that's where it falls apart yeah uh he said i relied on the direction of my superior that he would take appropriate action looking back not knowing now knowing that he did not handle the matter promptly i regret assuming he would do so now there's a couple things that i think he really does throw him all the way under the bus i have to look something up here and i meant to look this up this morning i want to apologize there's a thousand things bro so he um who's he uh stan bowman yeah was promoted this is important stan bowman on december 16th 2020 was promoted to president of hockey ops

or hockey operations to make that more stark the move came after the blackhawks fired john mcdonough in april and delegated his responsibilities between bowman and jamie Faulkner, who was hired as the president of business operations. Why is that important? You have to understand that in these boardrooms, there is always some degree of politicking

and backbiting. John McDonough and Stan Bowman, from what I understand, didn't always have the best of relationships. And very clearly from this press release, Stan Bowman is saying, see, I told you this guy was a dick. And I'm now taking the

fall for it. now also important in these sentences 11 years ago while serving as my in my first year as general manager yeah he said that and i believe so did danny wertz um and it paints him like a child he was uh i don't know the exact months involved but he was roughly a 38 year old man who is the son of scotty bowman who is who is who was in the league for 50 years and they make they make it sound like he's a dude they hired after he did a very good job on take your kid to work day um which is just not he infantile infantilizes himself yeah he's also an adult human who heard about a sexual assault and then left it yeah we're that's probably the issue here

they're trying to appeal to well like i mean we've all made mistakes like early in a job right not like this well this is the thing right so so at very least here he wasn't ready to be gm oh at very least at the very very least you are not qualified very least but again the political backbiting shit makes its way into the pr i don't give a fuck about stan bowman and john mcdonough's rivalry but stan seems to think that the world does stan had an opportunity here to say i cooperated with the investigation i regret my decision and my inaction i apologize to the player and the intern and the other player and all the other people affected afterwards when aldridge moved on and actually went to jail for assault on a minor yeah nowhere in this statement is an

apology for anything he says uh looking back uh knowing that he john mcdonough didn't handle the matter promptly i regret assuming he would do so i'm confident that this organization the words family will continue to do what it takes to win championships with integrity and with the goal of doing what is right so here's the problem with that sentence for me what the black hawks sole focus should be is getting it right off the ice right now. Fuck your championships.

I don't care about your championships. I care about integrity and goal of doing what is right. And by the way, the goal of doing what is right, I mean, come on, guys. The goal? Just do it. Is it hard? And let me ask you this.

How old were you when you found out sexual assault was bad and should be reported? younger than 38 right so if you're the general manager of the chicago blackhawks and this happens at the end of the third round and your your superior says even if this is true by the way because we haven't heard from john mcdonough and we don't know if this is necessarily how the events went but even if this was event was true would you not that's that's going to come down today i didn't even think about that because john john mcdonough has got to make a statement here

too you think well i would want to if i was him he looks like the the main culprit he does right but if you're stan bowman he john mcdonough does look like the main the main call what is john mcdonough doing now i don't believe he's doing anything right now um the main in terms of people in the organization who ignored it he is painted a top guy he might not have like a public profile enough to care to put out a statement well i was sort of thinking about that on the way here like no one cares who the president of your hockey team is like i think berkey is maybe a exception to the rule and shanahan's got some some clout here but for the most part it's the gms who are the stars and that's why guys like john are able to sort of hide the shadows of that but here's

the problem if you're stan bowman and it's your first year's gm and you're 38 years old and one of your players is sexually assaulted although stan claims he didn't know although the report says he did if there was some impropriety would you not follow up with your superior on that and say hey how's that going you're telling me you'd never talk about it again you'd think so i have a hard time with that you know that may be true i don't think it's true it may be true i have a hard time believing it's true the the wurtzes were relatively gracious with stan bowman yesterday on his way out and everything and i have a i have a theory about that um i think he sang like a bird which in this case is the right thing to do um my theory is he cooperated with the investigation

fully uh sounds like he did sure sounds like he did which is the right thing to do again uh i don't think this investigation could have gone the way it did if at least someone in the organization who knew about everything if they didn't cooperate but at the end of the day you know what he did was extremely wrong

last paragraph I'm deeply grateful to the Blackhawks for the chance to manage the team to the players for their dedication and the fans for their tremendous support over the years it's been an honor to be a part of this incredible organization and to serve the best fans in hockey and the greatest city in the world I will always cherish my time with the Blackhawks

on behalf of myself, my family, thank you. No apology. A mention of hockey, trying to put it in terms of on the ice, that's disgusting. Why is that even in there? Not even empathy. No.

Not a single shred of, I'm so sorry this happened under my watch. And he could have said, I felt like it was out of my control and I was wrong. Right. And I'm so sorry. And then everybody would have been like,

it sounds like it was out of your control. Maybe you could have done more. thank you for cooperating with the investigation but to me that's irredeemable that's somebody who still doesn't get it and i don't care what kind of pr company disaster because these these companies exist this these these pr companies that are there in a disaster situation that's literally their job i don't care what kind of disaster pr company you hired but don't apologize for this you don't want to be a part of this doubling down on sexual assault and inaction on sexual assault we'll never win that's one thing that as divided as our countries are right now left right whatever you

are everybody can agree on that everybody nobody feels bad for you and you seemingly don't feel bad for anyone if this happened in real time let's say this happened in 2021 and then all of the information came out over the summer and we found out these people had all these roles and if everything in the investigation is true i would hope that there would be criminal charges uh against everybody who's been fired in this little bit um i would hope that the intern would press charges against everybody who decided to hide aldridge's sexual assault so that it's because those people are complicit in his in his um criminal actions so this is stan bowman's a man who should if this was all happening in real time i'm not a lawyer but i would think that there would

be criminal charges against this man if this was all coming out as it happened i wonder if that's why it's such a vanilla statement you know what i mean i know to protect him legally we spoke with rick and that like a statute of limitations i believe is the correct seven years you shouldn't be able to be prosecuted at this point it's run out yeah but if that was within that window this is a man who could be in court every day facing jail time i'm not sure if the the law exists in illinois but i know in ontario and i believe in canada you have um there's a an apology act believe it or not where you can apologize but not have it used against you in court so the whole thing is you can say i'm so sorry for what happened or i'm so sorry for my part of what happened or whatever

you could say it publicly but what it does is it prevents shit like this where you can come out and you can say unreservedly here's how i feel i'm so sorry and then still there because the because the two are not inextricably linked you can apologize for something and not be guilty for right in a legal sense yeah in a legal so i'm just giving you that that background i don't know if such a law exists in the united states or in illinois at all i don't think it does but i i tried to look into it last night i don't know beyond that um and this is where it gets even more interesting um shovel day off uh gm of the winnipeg jets who was the assistant general manager at the time his job was to manage the cap from what i understand uh that's what darren

dreger said yesterday on tsn right uh shovel day off released a statement saying he wouldn't comment further until he spoke to batman now gary batman came out yesterday and said i'm gonna speak to uh everybody involved uh and and if any of the people who are involved in this if any of them ever want to work in hockey again they'll be talking to me Right He said he reserved the judge At the moment He has to say that

He's a lawyer You know what I mean He's a lawyer I did and I want to mention this So there's someone named Daniel Wallach He tweeted the details about Joel Quinville's Misplaced priorities are so damning See thread below

And then he has a thread about it There is little doubt he'd be fired If he were still coaching the Blackhawks if he remains a panthers coach is nhl prioritizing success in a difficult hockey market over accountability this is a similar tweet to another one i saw that i couldn't find um you know i think shovel day off in quinville are two they're the trickiest ones to handle here because neither are still with the team what you know well but someone said if both of them if it Let's say they didn't change roles, sort of like

Stan Bowman. If Sheveldayoff was still the assistant GM of the Blackhawks and Quinville was still the head coach of the Blackhawks, they'd both be gone literally yesterday. That's why I think there shouldn't be any discussion about it. It should be the exact same. They shouldn't have their job. And you could

argue, well, Sheveldayoff is, you know, he wasn't in charge. Neither was Stan Bowman. He was the general manager, but there was a president here. Right? So if Stan Bowman's gone, what about this guy? now what you said about if they were with the blackhawks right now they wouldn't have jobs so they probably shouldn't have jobs so um we know that quinville released a statement

previously this year saying that he didn't know the nature of this didn't even know about it until um the lawsuit was filed and i believe in late april or early may we now know that he wasn't being honest we now know that he did know today he says he stands by his statement but in the report he says something completely different yep when there were lawyers and the law involved and he tried and he must not lie in those situations he says something completely different he so as i understand it right now and you by the time you hear this will know it better than we do now as i understand it joel quinville is meeting with gary betman tomorrow thursday in new york but tonight the florida panthers have a game and as far as i know quinville will be

behind the bench yes yeah which is insane and shovel day up will be continuing to be the general manager somebody calls him about a trade today he's picking up the phone and i think ken campbell but just quick question before you get in ken campbell made a really good point he has been doing great work oh my god he's been great he's got a sub stack yeah and subscribe to it yeah but he said at very least bucks a month quinville and shovel day off should be both placed on leave while betman further investigates as in like before they at very least and you know what like i said with bowman what would be the harm who's hurt by that i know the panthers are off to a great start i know winnipeg's probably canada's best chance at a stanley cup guys this

is the problem the problem is that we're valuing performance over human lives the problem is stan bowman throwing in championships in his statement it's keeping the guys who are performing well with a hockey team in their role after not doing so so go ahead steve sorry well so this tweet from down goes brown sean mackindoe shovel day off in july so this was a few months ago this was after the allegations came to light but obviously before the investigations shovel day off in july i had no knowledge of any allegations involving mr aldrich until i until asked if i was aware of anything just prior to the conclusion of his employment with the chicago blackhawks so that statement is interesting and i can't tell if it's a lie

or using the truth to tell a lie you read it one more time right he's doing okay i had no knowledge of any allegations involving mr aldrich until asked if i was aware of anything just prior to the conclusion of his employment with the chicago blackhawks well the incident happened and then he left the team like three weeks later so i would argue that's just prior to the conclusion of his employment with so maybe that's what i may have i may have got it then incorrect my apologies then if i got that incorrect it's word soup i mean it's i don't think it's for you to apologize for it's that it's clear as mud he's either denying having any knowledge at all or saying no i didn't know about it until it was reported to us 11 years ago let me ask you that's that's

that's exactly that's how it reads that's so interesting that's how i'll read it one more time i had no knowledge of any allegations involving mr aldrich until asked if i was aware of anything just prior to the conclusion of his employment with the Chicago Blackhawks just prior to the conclusion of his so he's essentially saying what you said the second time there the only other thing it could mean

is he misspoke and was like I was recently asked if I was part of this meeting 11 years ago either way he's just throwing out words to distract from the situation it's a good lawyer good lawyer writing that up

but he was in the meeting he was in the meeting yeah man steve that's stark i didn't pick up on that that's crazy well so he to me and i don't know where you're going next i want to go on a bit of a tangent here go ahead so do you want to do you want to pause before you do your tangent because we're about where we need to do some advertising okay we'll awkward this episode so if you want to it is um you know it's the the joys of being you know we can either put this behind a paywall which we can't do uh or we can advertise so we can support our product we have to advertise support our product steve needs to blow his nose and then we'll be back i was just about to say i have to

blow my nose two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca who wanted to say something about joel quinville or maybe of a multitude of things uh i'll start with joel quinville but to me shovel day off and gary betman are key here uh so yesterday the chicago blackhawks were the main character of the hockey world um today wednesday october 27th um it's gary batman and shovel day off so joel quenville

uh shovel day off we don't actually have a quote from we have his very confusing statement from july um where he did or didn't know everything very confusing but what we do know is he was in the meeting quenville was in the meeting and said we based essentially he said we don't need this right now we're trying to compete for a stanley cup uh to me it's rather cut and dry if he were still the head coach of the chicago blackhawks he would no longer be now if you're a florida panthers fan if you're a member of the florida panthers organization in any way you know you're like this is one of the best coaches from a hockey standpoint in the entire league this is something he did 11 years ago why are we being punished for that and to that i would just say i'm sorry it

sucks but if this dude said what he said was in that meeting and did nothing and we're ignoring the fact that he supposedly allowed players to go on bullying this player and others yeah which we haven't got to yet but i have we will uh he's a non-option in the national hockey so that's joel quinville the main character october 27th gary bedman and kevin shovel day off and i'll explain why again if kevin shovel day off was the assistant general managers of the black hawks yesterday he would have been fired or asked to resign yesterday he'd be gone same situation with the winnipeg jets what did we do to deserve this nothing but that's the situation here it is this guy has to be punished and here's why gary bettman has to come down hard on kevin shovel

down because uh there's so many moving pieces and i did my best to catch it all you know we've already had a few things today where we're like oh i didn't even notice that um so stan bowman also had to step down as the gm of the u.s men's hockey team chris johnson reported yesterday on tsn that supposedly bill garren who is the assistant gm of that team uh could be could take over as gm now i would assume that as natural progression the gm has left one of the assistant gms will take control and become the new gm the way gary betman handles kevin shovel day off is extremely important on the note of bill garren because um here it is this is from rick westhead october 22nd 2001 this is this

less than a week ago the headline is u.s center for safe sport opens investigation into wild gm garen uh the following article contains references of sexual assault the u.s center for safe sport has opened an investigation into minnesota wild general manager bill garen after the wife of a former pittsburgh penguins coach alleged garen covered up her sexual assault when he worked for the franchise a person familiar with the matter told tsn aaron scaldi whose husband jared is a former assistant coach with the penguins american hockey league affiliate wilkes-barre scranton penguins filed the complaint with the center on october 5th and has been told that staff at safe sport have opened a file about her complaint and intend to investigate the person said gerald

scaldi i won't read the entire article jared scaldi alleged in a lawsuit filed november 3rd 2020 in u.s district court in pennsylvania that then wilkes-barre scranton head coach clark donatelli assaulted his wife erin and uh when the three of them were in a car together during a road trip in providence rhode island jared said that seven months later when the incident was brought to the attention of garen who was the penguins assistant general manager at the time garen told him to keep quiet about the assault so they are going to replace stan bowman who mishandled a sexual assault investigation with bill garan who's currently being investigated for mishandling a sexual assault investigation yeah that cannot happen that's only going to get worse for him

as this investigation goes on and the reason kevin shovel day off is such an important precedent is he was the assistant GM of the Blackhawks where this incident took place. Now he's the GM in Winnipeg. Bill Guerin was the assistant GM with the Pittsburgh Penguins. Now he's the GM of the Minnesota Wild. They are eerily linked in that regard. In fact, Bill Guerin may have had even more power over the situation than Sheveldayoff did in Chicago because Bill Guerin was not just the assistant GM of the Pittsburgh Penguins. He was the GM of the Wilkes-Barre scranton penguins which is why this coach approached him what gary betman does with kevin shovel day off will dictate what he ends up having to do with bill garren depending on

how this investigation goes and if he lets shovel day off off if he lets him walk i don't see how he punishes bill garren and i don't see how we find justice well yeah i think you you touch on a good point here which is precedent setting and rick westhead has actually been all over that that story with bill garren as well i think he was the first one to report that as well yeah katie strang was was linking to him yesterday i think yeah i got that right uh i have and i have so many screens i'm trying to yeah and i'm just trying to i'm trying to to give credit where it's due to all the the reporters on this but katie and rick are yeah yeah just so unbelievable what they do absolutely fearless um you know my concern with what you say there steve

is that i don't believe uh the u.s olympic committee or team usa hockey agrees with you and you know we've talked many times on this show about hockey culture and there's so much good about hockey culture there is sure but there's so much that is toxic it needs to change the good parts are the the team and the you know the uh you know going everybody rowing in the same direction and fighting hard for your teammates and you're and you're sacrificing yourself for a greater cause and the crest on the jersey etc etc etc people can wax poetic about that all day and to an extent they're right there's a magic to this game that we all have right there's a magic to there was a magic for me that you know i used to you know get my parents

out of bed at 4 30 in the morning so i could be at hockey practice because i was just dying for saturday morning to happen so we all share that we all know what that feels like but it seems there somewhere along the line we forgot or maybe never experienced what it was like to be on the other side of of this that we have perpetuated it seems that usa hockey's forgotten that i mean i think we we all know we remember what i mean the pandemic i think was raging but the john van beesbrook stuff that came out i mean bill peters got fired by the calgary flames for about the same as john van beesbrook didn't get fired well that's what i was just trying to look up is uh even worse

is this decision of who replaces stan bowman i think may be made by john van beesbrough are there any good people like involved there are in this ecosystem there are you know what i mean there are it's just that the it's it's it's this whole like let's stick together and protect the fort rather than hey let's learn from this take our fucking medicine go to some classes you know and the thing is how about this you've been accused of some gnarly shit get the fuck out of my fort yeah that too

I think I agree so at the end of the day here where we're going with is USA Hockey has let us down before they could have put Bowman on administrative leave they should put Guerin on administrative leave now

pending the results of this Yeah. And it's it's weird because the only reason that this story comes out now and that there's this action is allowed to be filed somewhere is because Guerin is with USA Hockey, because the the incident is filed with the U.S. Center for Safe Sport. So they're an organization where if there is a sexual assault within the USA Olympic Committee, like anywhere in it. Weren't they involved in the gymnastics thing? I believe so, yeah. But they're a very small organization. But because Garen is now an employee of USA Hockey, he's now subject to U.S. Center for Safe Sport.

So if Garen was never named to the U.S. Olympic team, this is all still where it was, which is in settlement talks with Jared and the Penguins. So that's where the lawsuit is right now. And then this filing with the U.S. Center for Safe Sport would have never come out if Garen wasn't given this job and uh i another thing i just remembered so i was again i was watching tsn's breakdown um they were talking about so the chicago blackhawks right now don't have a general manager they have

an interim general manager i can't remember who it is they weren't with the blackhawks at the time of the scandal um but they were talking about potential candidates to become general manager and one of the guys named was jim rutherford who was bill garren's general manager when what allegedly happened with wilkes-barre happened again i ask is anyone in this ecosystem like this is when people get very defensive about hockey and hockey culture because hockey has given them a lot right it's their life and and it's it's given them a good life do you see this unbelievable spider web of monstrosity that we're weaving here when we talk about hockey culture uh we're talking about

just guy after guy after guy you're knocking down these chess pieces and then the next one who comes up is guilty of the same thing or at least accused of the same thing or involved in the exact same thing and then when someone tries to go against the grain or break down what hockey culture is they get let go like in the garren incident when i'm just trying to get the names right jared scaldi am i saying that correctly i have no idea jared scaldi whose wife was assaulted by the Wilkes-Barre Scranton head coach um Donatelli Don Clark Donatelli um when he reported that uh it was kept under wraps and then in May of 2020 they let him go and they say it's for

COVID reasons because they're not playing right and then that's where a lawsuit comes about because he alleges that it's because he reported the assault and it's just it's a shame that within this the fort we called it um that when you try and report something you get let go your story is silenced and there's and there's no and then these people they get to keep their jobs and they get more jobs within within the little organization that we call hockey now real quick like i don't i want to be careful i'm not accusing jim rutherford of anything but as as the garren investigation progresses i imagine they will be speaking to him that oh that was that was his boss yeah right when this happened they also remember jim rutherford uh unceremoniously and early in

the season a few years ago just left the team remember that yeah that was all i think that was a fight with ownership i think that was lemieux and company i don't know i think if your hl head coach assaults uh another employee's wife and it's reported to the hlgm i'm just by the way the black hawks investigation laid out in the entire report there's meetings people know people talk about it it's hard for me to imagine jim rutherford wouldn't have known so well and i gotta jump in here sure sorry we're going into the other there's so yeah there's a lot and as i told you there's stuff that we just we haven't even gotten to black ace one here like there's so much but but bergevin you counted five victims yeah so i was still a little confused

but as i understand it sorry man as i understand it there are five alleged victims there's jondo one there's jondo two who is the high school student who brad aldrich went to prison for right there was black ace one was it was a call-up he was a black ace so black ace by the way not everyone knows that term it's basically you get called up and you're supposed to skate with the team and if there's a bunch of injuries you get to play it happens sometimes and they're often a really neat story um black ace one and they're usually guys from like where like they just minors sometimes from junior okay yeah uh black ace one i believe uh in the report said that and i guess we're still gonna get to this um they were chased around the ice by a former black hawks

teammate yeah this is why i don't want to get into that right now this is why i wanted to jump in okay so there's all right because i've got that stop talking about that one yeah then there's black ace too one of those two black aces is the blackhawks player who wanted nothing to do with this investigation i don't know who is who and there's also the intern yes yeah who was assaulted remember in the in the three weeks that you know that it was reported or sorry not reported right that that stanley cup thing part of part of the violation like when when the league says that the blackhawks violated their own terms is they had brad aldrich basically signed papers like hey you're gone and stay gone yeah uh but then he was able to come back participate in all the stanley

cup celebrations uh he was invited into the building personally given a stanley cup ring etc etc yeah so that brings me to um and i just wanted to quickly touch on joel quinville and kevin shovel day off while you guys were talking i was looking up the owners of of both teams because you know if i'm the owner of an organization um which i am uh jesse steve and i are the owners of sdpn um i can tell you what i would do in that and i have a we have a small little company that may have not a lot of revenue but we are a small little company and we are we do exist as owners we're a company if we were a team we do um as as if if this comes to your attention Any small business owner or big business owner would normally do this, I would think.

There's nothing stopping the Jets and the Panthers organization. That's True North Sports and Entertainment and Sunrise Sports and Entertainment. That's Mark Chipman, David Thompson III, Vinny Viola, and Doug Sifu. All of you. There is nothing stopping you right now from putting these guys on administrative leave right now. Nothing. This is your organization. you go ahead and do what you want. I don't care what Bettman says. Well, Bettman might say,

well, let's not do anything until I've talked to them. Sorry, but I'd say, Gary, with respect, you're my employee. I pay a 32nd of your salary. I'll do what I want in my organization. And I'm concerned about how we look to the public that consumes our product. And if you are an owner of either of those two teams, I would be concerned. I would be concerned, at very least concerned what is the harm in pulling these guys back and remember that these guys have that power to do that why they are holding back i couldn't tell you but i have a real problem with the fact that those four people who are the principal owners in both true north sports and entertainment and sunrise sports and entertainment are not it's a problem so that's

why i wanted to talk about that sure now we could talk about you know black ace one here because i want to read that statement out oh yeah sure um jesse you okay over there just want to check in Sometimes we have tech issues in the show and I didn't want to move forward too quickly here. So, Black Ace won. And we haven't gotten

to the fine that the NHL put out there, by the way. It's crazy. Two million bucks. Remember, Kovalchuk, three million. Greg Wyshynski screen grabbed this and I thought it was good. I'm going to read. It's not good, but I thought it was telling.

in 2010 rumors of an incident between black ace one and aldridge started and followed black ace one for years black ace one recalled being asked by a couple players about whether aldridge gave black ace one a blow job black ace one recalled laughing off the question and saying no former coach for the rockford ice hogs wrote in 2011 in an evaluation of black ace one i think what happened last spring with brad aldrich weighed heavily on black ace one this year big time when interviewed the former coach stated he never spoke to black ace one about aldrich and based the note in evaluation on rumors he'd heard at the time black ace one also recalled an incident in approximately 2014 where he was chased around the ice by a former blackhawks player who called black

ace one the f word that is a slur for homosexuals i don't need to repeat it and asked black ace one if he would if he liked that blowjob or what so um you know one one little bit of minutiae please please please uh so they said a coach with the rockford ice hogs i saw bill peters name getting thrown around a lot i had also read assistant coach so because bill peters would have been the head coach at the time um yeah we we don't know who it was and when it when it comes to uh names involved in this so that's that coach that's john doe that's a lot of people if there are if there isn't a name mentioned you shouldn't try to figure out people gotta stop that yeah please please stop that please stop that and if you're a reporter please do not tweet out those details

it's in it's in the report please stop stop trying to leave breadcrumbs to find people yes well disgusting and definitely don't unfortunately the report does leave a trail and uh there was a reporter who screen grabbed that particular a particular passage use your use your head use your head don't do not and understand that you have influence right you have influence take that there's a responsibility with that um and this is interesting danny wertz and this is this fucking killed me man so the bowman statement killed me okay this killed me i was so impressed with rocky and danny wurtz until this because you rarely ever see billionaires sitting there going you know what we really this is un-fucking-real like i can't believe

this happened under my watch i did notice that very early on they're like and we didn't know i was like yeah all right fair yeah okay i would i would get that out there too if i was and if you're john mcdonough um you're probably not telling them about your worst fucking moment right i can see how it to me it's completely plausible they didn't know completely and the investigation proved that yeah so they're exonerated on that yeah but this is what fucking drives me crazy man i'm excited because i don't know what you're about to say i don't about minute 16 these fucking guys danny wertz who is the younger rocky is the ceo i believe danny is the chairman thank you uh danny wertz said he directed his legal department to come

to a settlement with both players and the intern that would be john doe one black ace one i think and because i don't think john doe two is involved and then the intern who was assaulted as well yeah john doe two to my understanding is involved in it in different litigation okay okay i think it may involve the blackhawks so here's the problem so here's the problem i have hold on what is the thing about the settlement what is oh sorry sorry so he said he directed his legal department to come to a settlement but with both the players and the intern who are suing. Like now? Yeah, like

go and settle this. Currently? Pay them. Oh, wow. But here's how he here's how he fucking phrased it. And I turned to my girlfriend and I said, did he need to say that? And she said, absolutely not. And here's what he said. Despite the fact that we believe we have a great legal defense,

I have directed my legal department to come to settlement with both players and the intern. So he's saying, if we believe that this, if this went to court, we would win, but we are doing a really good thing and we're just going to settle and make it go away. Right. I mean, that is, that is what he's saying. Oh God.

That is what he's saying. And that is to me, whether that's true or not, completely unnecessary. Sometimes you tell on yourself and you slip up. That's an instance. Well, I don't know. And then here's the other part that drove me fucking crazy. and maybe you know maybe sometimes in a learning process and i want to give danny and rocky wurtz an opportunity to learn and grow here i do i say i say this fucking guy i don't want

to write people off forever i hate doing that especially ones that didn't directly perpetrate this shit but he also applauded stan bowman for cooperating completely with the investigation which you know is the bare fucking minimum yeah but it is the bare minimum but a lot of people don't do that and that's why i said near the beginning that i think he sang like a bird i think he was very cooperative and i think he helped out in this investigation and that's why they've been so thankful to him all right sure i just i have a hard time giving this man props when i think he's done something criminal i agree with you it's negligent i agree at very least it's negligent right at the very least it's negligent and and you know and this is what drives me nuts

man it's that and again i think the warts is really genuinely meant to do good by this if this investigation doesn't show that i mean i don't know what does they didn't whitewash anything they came right out with it but when you say shit like that first off yesterday is not the day to compliment stan bowman whether or not you want to compliment him in private is your business But publicly comment, you're going to take time out of a 17-minute statement to compliment Stan Bowman? Come on, guys. And then beyond that, you're saying, hey, we got a great legal case here. But you know what?

We're good, guys. We'll pay them. You're billionaires. This will cost you nothing. Do the right thing. How about you say, all you had to say was, we've directed our legal team to come to a settlement with both players. That's all you had to say. And by the way, that's good PR.

It makes you look really good. You know what? Something happened here. It was terrible. It was at our organization. We didn't know, but we want to do the right thing. Instead, you were like, hey, we'd still win this fight, but we're not going to. We chose not to.

You're lucky. That is, that is, I don't know what the word is. I don't have a word. They might look at it like, I don't know. They didn't have to say they were settling anything, but then someone might ask the question and they could say, we're going to settle. Imagine not. I mentioned the part where they would win legally.

Okay. Okay. so imagine they take yeah because imagine the steve yeah they they fight this imagine they take this to court i know i know they have to settle this i don't care if they think they'd win in court where they're gonna lose is the court of public opinion the people buying their jerseys i am shocked by the way that they have not canceled tonight's toronto maple leaf chicago blackhawks game we'll all be watching and i and from every blackhawks fan i've heard from With the exception of a few trolls or whatever

Which is anything All of them are shocked Disgusted and just about done That's a great point Maybe it's time to cancel the game Well dude I said to you guys upstairs Before we started the show I think this game is going to be stopped at least once

Because of the fans Because of the fans Chicago is not a wallflower town People threw a jersey on the ice For just losing hockey games Imagine what's going to happen here They booed the coach before the first game. I was going to tweet this, but like, hey, for anyone who has tickets to tomorrow night's

game, are you going? Like, why do you want to show up for that? I think, you know what, I'd want to be there to boo the people and I would want to be there. Show up, boo, and leave? Yeah, I'd want to be there for that. I would be, if this happened with the Leafs, I would want to be there. That'd be a hell of a statement. I have pumped the Leafs tires for, I don't know, 25 of my 33 years, whenever I became

a Leaf fan. And if the Leafs let me down like this, if I love the Blackhawks the way I love the Toronto Maple Leafs, I would be right in there going, this is fucking unreal, bad, bad, bad. And so I don't blame anybody for going tonight. But regardless of all of that, I just think it's shocking. Now, let's talk about the players here. So of the 14 players on the 2010 team interviewed by Char from Jenner and Block, six players said they had no knowledge of inappropriate

conduct by Aldridge. Six players told Schar they only learned of inappropriate conduct through rumors after Aldridge was fired by Chicago. And it's worth noting here, and Rick West had tweeted all this too, it's worth remembering that Brent Sopel said everybody knew. Brent Sopel

and Nick Boynton said that. And from Ken Campbell's article, again, I encourage you to read this. The report details how Aldridge threatened not only physical violence to the player known as John Doe, but also pointed out that he had the power to dictate John Doe's career. You want silence? Well, read the report. Even former players like Brent Sopal and Nick Boynton, who claimed that, quote, everyone knew and were talking about how Aldridge

wanted to, quote, touch penises, managed to put it in the vault when asked for particulars. We pressed Sopal and Boynton for details regarding which conversations and with whom led them to believe that everyone knew about Aldridge engaging in inappropriate conduct with players. Neither Boynton nor Sopel could provide many details. That was in the report. And that is because there are powerful players that were on that team that are still playing

or still involved. Who knew? Guys, let's also pull this out. And I think it's important that we mention this. I got some tweets from Montreal yesterday regarding Marc Bergevin.

Specifically at me because I have i've been like i said on a couple episodes ago i don't think he's going to keep his job and i think you know jesse i thought made a great point and i saw arpin basu saying something similar that it would i think it was arpin basu i misquoted this i apologize but that if you're jeff molson you're waiting for this to come out before you you do any extensions although we do know that he did offer him an extension we do know that it was well below mark bergevin's expectations offered him pennies i was talking to a few people about this a few people who are really smart and i don't know if i can quote who they were but if you're listening to this

you know i i texted you this and you responded this way so i'm not really sure if i can ask if i can name this person so i won't i said okay so bergevin not mentioned does that mean innocent or not and to a person everybody said well no it just means it's not substantiated and that can be it can be he is or he isn't we still don't know but one person nailed it and that person said at very least if he did not know he's one of the most incompetent directors of player personnel i've ever seen in my entire life well how is it possible that four years later a former chicago blackhawks teammate is chasing uh john doe or no black ace one down the ice and saying hey did you like that blowjob

on the ice and director of player personnel guy who talked to Bowman, Sheveldayoff, Quinville McDonough, MacIsaac pretty much every day didn't know if he didn't it's incompetence if he did it's inaction

I'm willing I'm willing to believe he didn't know right away I'm willing to believe that 100% I'm willing to believe it yep he wasn't at the meeting if he was we'd know he wasn't there yep yep but yeah to your point it's over the years right you're the director of player personnel you must have heard all the

players knew what why this but now do we believe the words hold on hold on director of player personnel video coach gone he doesn't ask yeah we just want a cup with this guy and he's gone and we give him a 35 000 payment well he may not know about the settlement that's true but he's just going where'd he go also rick spoke to people i believe it was in the advertising department or the pr department who they were marketing i think in marketing that was it to just get some background on the story that happened and the people in the marketing department knew i have a hard time believing that the president of player personnel wouldn't know so um quickly on um quickly on this uh i just want to quickly mention a couple of things and then we'll sort of get to

our takeaways here uh steve you already mentioned the bill garren stan bowman connection at usa hockey we need to mention quickly that um john doe said he contacted the nhlpa uh and the executive director donald fear in late 2010 about concerns sorry a confident of confidant of john doe said he contacted the nhlpa executive don fear uh in late 2010 about concerns aldridge was uh working for usa hockey after leaving the blackhawks you have to remember he was a part of ron wilson's coaching staff at the u.s olympics right which would have been earlier that year what in january february 2010 and aldridge would know ron wilson from his time with san jose when wilson was the head coach there and his father who's a 30-year employee of san jose the san jose sheriff and

still there and still there as well yeah he's a head equipment manager jd uh uh john doe's confidant said to fear said fear told him the nhlpa would look into the situation that the nhl could offer nhlpa could offer support and i'm going to go quickly here the confidant recalled fear suggesting that the individual could speak to an nhlpa affiliated therapist even though the individual is not an nhlpa member when interviewed fear stated he did not recall a conversation with john doe's confidant although he did not deny that it um occurred that to me feels like how do you forget a conversation like that i don't know what it's like to be the head of the nhlpa but that feels like a conversation i don't forget useless organization useless i'm trying to figure

it out but you know again you know you can only go on what people tell you on this one so here this here's the takeaways and this is the first thing we also have one more advertising slot if Do you want to pause? Okay, we'll pause here. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research.

Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. register today at pmcfwalk.ca so takeaways from this and i want to i'm going to give you some of mine tell me what you think and again i i want to repeat we know that we didn't get everything here it's impossible to get everything we tried to get the major details to you these legal documents are difficult to read and we have the best reporters in the game right now as i'm speaking into this recording still releasing information that some of us did not know so well in this and this is just to peel back the curtain this is how things get backed up is they air it live uh the people who watch it live watch it live then there's the people who

have to catch up and then after a 17 minute i don't know deposition i don't know what you call it that's that's enough that's that's a news that's a full news day's worth of content yes after that they released a 107 page legal document it's impossible to get through impossible you can try yeah oh yeah and and and you know we tried our best to give you the the basics here um that is why rick westhead will be joining us on friday it's important that we get rick on and give some of his insights and obviously we expect more things to break we don't know when we don't know what they are but we expect that there's going to be more information that comes out about this and we had to reschedule david shapiro yes from blue shirt blog yeah sorry about

that david uh we didn't know this was coming we did david dirty on uh on an episode a little bit and i felt bad about it and and i wanted him to come on and explain the chris drury situation and his opinion on it and uh unfortunately um you know given you know we had last episode we had sid and alan and then now today and friday will be chicago blackhawks and i know then david has to go back and work his full-time job he's just had a kid as well oh so we'll figure out at some point we'll have david shapiro on because uh we want to highlight him and we want him to talk about this because i would love to have that situation explained outside of that the takeaways from the blackhawks situation for me

beyond and and this should come as an obvious but i'm going to say it anyway beyond the horrendous nature of what happened to everybody involved right like i think we're all agreed there is no degree of empathy that feels like enough for everybody involved in that yeah for all the victims of that so let's put that on put that out front i wonder about you know the we i work with somebody who was in chicago at a radio station called b96 when chicago one it's three cups uh jamar mar mcneil and uh and yeah jamar's he was the morning show host it was uh and and jamar is now the morning show host with my mom at chum here in toronto

really good broadcaster and he said man when the when the black hawks when he's like i have never had more fun in radio he said it was unbelievable thousands of people out in the streets and he said we were doing so much stuff on the radio side and and he he went into just how incredible it was what an amazing experience it was and if you're a fan that went through that and anybody that's won a stanley cup in any city that's won the stanley cup will tell you the same thing it's pretty great if you're a fan that went through that that first cup in such a long time can't not be tainted and so this enormous victory you know we've the hockey media

and the nhl for that matter have been obsessed with chicago for like 15 years before that when wurtz senior was the head and he didn't want the games on tv because it would affect ticket sales in a different era the chris chelios years and before but but you know ever since the the you know the young guys quote-unquote young guys back in the day tase kane um uh seabrook keith uh Corey Crawford, et cetera. Marion Hose, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Exciting team. Christopher Steve.

Christopher Steve. Verbeauty, as we used to call him here. He wrapped in front of 2 million people after winning the championship. It's amazing. It's amazing. They were fun to watch. I feel like if I'm a player on that team and I legitimately didn't know, I would be, A, I'd hit the roof for my teammate for what happened,

for my teammates. B there are people in that organization who put in a ton of work who deserve to look on that memory fondly how do you ever think about that again without this being in the back of your mind how do you ever think about that Stanley Cup run and not mention

this well and if you ever win the cup again or if you ever go and visit it in the Hockey Hall of Fame there's his name next to yours now they're gonna take that off they must how have they not the guy went to jail like I don't understand why they didn't do this four years ago when he went to jail can we all forget i don't know coming off

like i don't you can do that can't you but like i think 100 can but will they i don't know they must they should they should have done it like you said when he went to jail i'll just his name should not be on the stanley cup that's disgusting careers and lives were changed forever because of this and i and it's important you know i i remember there was a uh um there was a band that we all sort of knew in canada and i won't mention them we all knew that the lead singer was up to no good um and i remember there's a story about a morning show host and i won't name him but i know him well enough uh this particular lead singer put his hand up this radio host's girlfriend's skirt at a bar and um the radio host obviously hit the roof and what was interesting

about it when you look back in retrospect he went on the air the next day and told the whole story said the whole thing and you know what happened both the record company and the media company which no longer exists the media company has been bought out since said you have to go on the air and issue an apology the record company threatened to sue him and sue the radio station and sue the company behind the radio station so he had to go on the air and apologize for it and he did because he had to because he was going to lose his job this person has now been outed as a person that has on multiple occasions assaulted women sexually and i remember when yes this singer and i remember when this first came out because we all

kind of knew it was like it was like we were the marketing department in chicago we all kind of knew well and the term you used was up to no good and that's i mean it's rather i said up to no good because i you know was bad news well it's code speak for like when you're in the office and you know something's bad and nobody really wants to say it but that's how it's communicated i'm sure all those words were spoken in this audrey's case too yeah yeah and i think about that and that was a long time ago that was pre-me too pre all that stuff should we have known better for sure was i at that station at the time no i was not i didn't find until i got there um but i just think about that story a lot and i think about his girlfriend and

him and how they must have felt you think about the you know his job is at stake but the love of his life was assaulted and what the reason i bring that story up is power dynamics ken campbell nailed it in his article rick westhead's talked about it katie strength's talked about it so many people have talked about it aldridge had the ability here to make or break this particular player's career and he knew it and he targeted him why do you think in the stanley cup celebrations aldridge went after an intern why do you think he went after an intern why do you think a subordinate yeah what's an intern going to say to a coach what's an intern's word against the coach

and you know the the the wurtz family to their credit delivered all this information and then said we are much different even pre this investigation than we were in 2010 i hope that's true i would assume that it is everybody's grown in the last 10 years immensely i would hope you've grown but what we need to do and i don't know why this doesn't exist is you've got the nhlpa and each team has an hr team how does this still happen well this is the thing the hr team was involved they were involved late and then they violated their own policy so what's the point what's the point in any of it right

anyway I just I think that if there's one thing I want you to take away from all of this it's something that we probably haven't ever thought about and it's the stuff that created the Bill Cosby's and the Harvey Weinstein's

and everybody else that has done this en masse for years and and the aldriches as well the brad aldriches and that is positions of power and abuse of it and we cannot we have whenever there's a situation where somebody has power and nobody can say anything to them there's probably going to be some sort of abuse there not not necessarily every time but if that's a systemic thing if that's well you can't say anything to the coach well there's that opens you up to abuse doesn't it and i want you to think about in your life and i don't know how to change this you probably have to talk to an hr professional or employment

lawyer or whatever those people are the smart ones therapists i would love to see and i challenge the nhl who have the quote-unquote 1-800 number to do better than the quote-unquote 1-800 number because someone's voice is being recorded and have some sort of system in place where members of the PA or not members of the PA who are involved with NHL franchises can go and say,

and safely say, this happened, I don't want to lose my job or my career, but this happened and it's not right. We cannot allow this to continue. this person this John Doe one this intern both John Doe's the intern

both black aces named in this in this have for more than 10 years lived with this well all of us went about our daily lives we had no idea and they lived with it every single day at a certain point I need the

NHL I need the NHL to step up and be extremely public about how things can be reported anonymously and protecting victims. I am challenging Gary Bettman with no poll in this game. I have nothing.

But I am challenging the NHL to say, okay, guys, we're going to work on it. And I'm not asking the solution to be perfect. We can improve on it. It can start somewhere. But start. We must look at power dynamics in this game

and how people can be left vulnerable and taken advantage of. And we cannot let this happen. we cannot let this stuff happen. We cannot let it go on for 10 years like this. Because at the end of the day, the legal aside, the money aside, somebody's life is wrecked by this.

And Steve, you mentioned this in regards to Evander Kane, but I think it was an important thing. A lifetime's work. You said, you know, if you're around Evander Kane and you're saying this is okay, and his situation is very different, I know that. Of course. But you were talking about the fake vaccine passport.

And you're saying, hey, if you're around Evander Kane you are wrecking a man's lifetime of work by enabling him right we have in a different way you've wrecked somebody else's multiple people's lifetimes they spent their whole lives

from the times they were little kids doing this and I just I don't know I don't know what the solution is but it's got to be more than Gary Bettman's going to talk to some guys in some markets there has to be movement from the NHL all 32 owners on something

where there's a lever system that like, where it's like, if there's a problem fucking pull the lever anonymously, yes yes something that doesn't track an IP that doesn't record your voice that prompts investigations

protects victims sorry to take your time on that but I just felt like I needed to, no something needs to come of this like this is too, it's too big of a story for there not to be consequences is not just for everybody involved in the story but just the culture afterwards and the league

itself and hockey and we need to grow from this because that's what it's all about. It's about learning and growing and there needs to be something done once this whole aftermath is included. So we'll have Rick Westhead on next episode.

If you have questions about this leave them in the Discord. please uh we encourage you to do so we may not be able to get to all of them and rick may answer some of them without us even asking but we'd love to know what questions the most are burning in your mind so that we can at least give you the best possible episode tomorrow and i know rick rick's whole thing is always about people understanding he really wants you to understand so if there's uh if there's anything jesse and if you're commenting about the story on discord please put up the spoilers

with your trigger warning if it is pertaining to sexual assault by the way what Jesse means by that is actually what's so cool about Discord if you've never been on it is there's spoilers where it blacks out the text unless you click on the text just super cool right so like they do that with your LFR it's like hey can you believe what Steve said and then it's

blacked out and it's like it's redacted but if you want to click on it you can kind of neat right anyway do you guys have anything else you want to add we're not done we're not done jesse yeah we got news what coming down today sometime no news coming down today we got uh one of the biggest media markets in the states uh going head to head with the biggest media market in canada today all the toronto reporters are going to be in chicago all the

chicago porters reporters are already in chicago they're going to be asking their players about it i imagine former players uh who are in other markets think of duncan keith are probably going to get asked about it. Joel Quinville already had to squirm in front of a podium today. Kevin Chitwell, day off, can't be far behind him. God knows what's going to happen with the whole Bill Guerin thing. Who knows

what tomorrow has in store. We're not done. We should be watching tonight's game because you have a winless team going up against the Leafs who are imploding on our four-game losing streak and look terrible. Yep. But we're going to be watching for a completely different reason, and for the worst reasons ever, it's a must-watch

TV event. yep so with that uh you can expect uh the episode with rick west had to be a little bit later on friday night because we have to record a little bit later that's my fault that's it's not anybody's fault it's just what happens so it won't be the usual 4 p.m upload that you're used to now a lot of people oh 5 p.m sorry i gotta get faster internet i could if i have faster internet i can get this job okay well we can probably solve that i think we can we can manage that for you but anyway long story short um we we just want to just want to mention that it won't be up at the normal time it's just going to be a little bit later we apologize it's just the way it went this

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