The Steve Dangle Podcast - Review | November 21, 2017

Episode Date: November 22, 2017

On this episode, the Leafs lost to the Coyotes last night (00:00), OEL isn't being traded for Nylander (29:00), are the Oiler in serious trouble (35:00), Radulov's postmortem (50:00), the Chicago Blackhawks stole people's money (53:00), opening gifts from listeners (1:11:11), and the press conference (1:20:00). Originally aired: November 21, 2017 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/0K79HYyxNyI Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. So Steve, who are you here with? I'm here with Adam and Jesse. We got on Jordan's. What are we going to do today? We're going to like get in. That was a really good start to the show.

There was a very good start to this No, wait, no, sorry We can't, no, did you enjoy that? Did you all enjoy that? That's a shame because we gotta review it I need confirmation That the show started Because it's Heaven forbid we have a good time

Before we get to that Would you like to hear some good news? Sure, before we get to the goal Yeah, before we get to the not golden goal No, the goal Emily Munson Emily Munson You might not remember that name

But Emily Munson DM'd me on Instagram And she said, hey Adam Today I was at a job interview And one of the questions was the podcast I listen to The interview was with a digital marketing agency So I mentioned I listen to a hockey podcast The interviewer said which one And I said the SDP

He asked me to describe it so I told him it was three Canadians One who yells about the Maple Leafs While his two friends watch and occasionally chime in I hope I get the job Peace and blessings from New York Here's how stupid I am I was about to go, Adam, you've already told us that story. Right.

You're following up on it, aren't you? So I get a message this morning at 7.32 a.m. In all caps, I got the job! Oh, wait, no, she gets a call back. Your job is under review. Sorry, we need to make sure you didn't interfere. I just thought it was kind of cool that we've crossed the threshold of put them on your resume and you might get a job in digital marketing. I feel like it might have gone, hmm, she answered the question.

I'm certainly not going to research that She answered the question and didn't say cereal Like what podcast do you listen to It's like cereal Oh I was thinking cereal Do people not listen to cereal anymore Okay I clearly need it Because that's my second love

He chugged coffee but it's not done I don't want to go too crazy I thought to chug you were supposed to finish it What are you doing? Yeah. Would you never go to university? All right, everyone listening. Steve is chugging coffee.

Gallparter. Gallparter so we can hear it. Come on, this is radio. Was it 90% milk? Is that why you're... No, it's just I bought it in Scarborough, so it's not hot anymore. They make bad coffee in Scarborough.

When I'm bouncing off the walls in five minutes, it'll be your fault! All right, so... I don't know what to make of this. Before we get to the goal, Let's just be honest. You know you signed up for it. Let's just be honest.

What? Arizona deserved to win that game. Yep. 1,000% they deserved to win that game. The Leafs did not play well despite. Listen, I'm the one that loves the advanced stats, and I know Steven Burch was going, well, wait a second, they won on the power play.

They deserved it. They deserved it all the way. I love Burch. Wait a second. Has anyone taken into account, and then just hieroglyphics. Has anyone taken into account what, I don't know, That's what some pharaoh said 3,000 years ago about the Leafs. Stephen Birch could recreate the Pyramids if he felt like it, but he doesn't.

He'd rather analyze the Leafs. Pyramids are actually good. Pyramids are actually good. That's good. No, and you know what? He might be right. They did win the game on the power play, but the fact of the matter is the Leafs kept taking stupid penalties, which led to the power plays. Here's the problem, and a lot of people were freaking out about the loss, and, oh, their first loss in seven games, and, oh, are we really going to freak out about that?

The reason you can freak out about this loss is because this loss looked identical to every game of the Leafs for the last three weeks. They got outshot to bloody hell in the first ten minutes. They ended up redeeming themselves somewhat, but still ended up getting outshot on the game. And they took more penalties than their opponents while allowing themselves to get bailed out by Freddie. What is different? What is different? This 4-1 loss to the Coyotes was identical to their 6-0 win over Montreal. That's what's concerning.

There are waves There are I don't know what I'm going for What the word is Are you seeing a pattern here? Yes, but what I'm saying is It's definitely cyclical But there are little bounces here and there

You can catch a team The Leafs caught Montreal Montreal's not very good They're lacking depth Who got the first goal? I'm trying to remember Wasn't it on the power play? No, against Montreal

Trying to remember now Because Kadri got that first one Whatever, it doesn't matter So the first one goes in And you see the wind come out of Montreal's sails a little bit Kadri scores that wicked shot On Charlie Lindgren Wind just completely gone

They didn't even show up for the third period It was pathetic, and Connor Brown scores early There was a scoring chance before that On the first 30 seconds Ah, that's right Ron Hainsey puts one on from the point And it squeaks through they didn't really get that in this one and instead of having freddie completely bail them

out of their garbage start he only partially bailed them out he only 90 percent bailed yeah exactly like he did allow that early one like we we talk about that the first game of the season how on god's green earth did the leafs come out of the first period with a three nothing lead i'll give you an answer steve mason's crap or at least he has been he's definitely been crap every game there seems to be a pattern Babcock hammers it in hammers it in why won't this team start on time

I'm not going to put it on the coach but the coach has said the same thing over and over and over again for a while and it hasn't been fixed that's concerning well no it's not Steve it's 20 games in and you're talking about guys who are

no no no no trash starts seriously trash I get it and I think Justin Morin tweeted this perfectly last night yes He said Babcock's challenge is getting a bunch of kids to get up for a bad team.

And I'm sorry, Coyotes fans can admit. They know. They know. They know what's up. And I think that that's the problem is that you, this is part of the growth experience, is taking every game seriously. You can't expect Austin Matthews, William Nylander, Mitch Marner, Connor Brown at all to be a grizzled Mike Babcock brain at 19 or 20 or 21.

As much as you'd like to, name one. Name one person who's like that. And I don't think I've found, I don't think I've seen players or people more driven than athletes at that age, and yet they still have growth. So I feel like this is a maturity thing as much as it's a they didn't show up thing. Well, I think the two are linked. It's a maturity thing.

It's get up for every game because those two points, those two points man down the road they're gonna matter they're gonna matter I mean the two two points was the difference between the Leafs making and not making the playoffs last year

the Leafs had a hot start to the year and now they find themselves in the exact same position as they found themselves in after their hot start no they're on a six game winning streak they have won six of the last seven

what were they six and one seven and one they're seven and three they were seven and two and uh I think they were seven and two before they were 7-3. Well, they're 7-3, like, after last night's loss.

Yeah, I mean, listen. They're 6-0 previous. No, here's what I'm talking about. Here's what I'm talking about. So they started incredibly hot, took some games for granted, and then their schedule got hard. And what happened is they, I think, went 2-6 and came within one game of 500.

Then they got hot again. And now the schedule is about to suck again. I'm not saying they're about to go on a complete downturn. That's not what I'm saying. at all, but it looks similar. Look at the Leafs schedule coming up. It sucks. But a team that's 6-1 is hot. Yes. Okay.

Oh, I agree that they're hot. Okay. I agree that they're hot, but they've been in this position before, already, in this season. 22 games in? 21? Yeah, but you can't expect them every 7 games to go 6-1. No! No! No! I know that. I know that.

What I'm saying is they've already taken a hot streak for granted once this year. Okay, let me throw this out to you. If the Leafs were in the Western Conference... Heading into a trash schedule. Leafs are currently third in the Eastern Conference. Not good enough! If the Leafs were in the Western Conference, they would be in second.

Wow. Okay? I think there are probably 26 teams who would gladly trade records with them. So let's keep that in perspective. Is this a good start to the season for the Leafs? Yes. Yes. 14-8.

Thank you. And they don't even have any Batman losses. I'm becoming what I criticized for years with the Canucks. And with the Penguins, yes, they're good now, so I just have to criticize the minutia. How funny, what, how interesting would my videos be if every game I was just like, boy, that was good. That was good. Or if after every loss, I'm like, but the record. That would be everything I hate about good fan base.

Hey, look, okay, you beat us on the scoreboard tonight. Look at the standings. and I'll make some jokes about, oh, the Coyotes are in last place and, oh, they should be called the Glendale Coyotes and how many people show up to your games. No, I'm not going to do that. If the Leafs win a Stanley Cup, God forbid. God forbid?

Why did you make me chug that coffee? Remember that first article the day after the Leafs win the Cup from Steve Simmons will be, why the Leafs won't win again next year. You know that he just got that written in waiting. Every LFR. Leafs win the worst Cup. for the next 82 games should be

it doesn't really matter. We won the cup last year. That's what your LFR should be. Well, that'll be like I'll just have to take the year off and like backpack the world

and like discover myself and come back with like a big Jim Carrey beard and all of a sudden because your purpose in life will be fulfilled. I'll be super woke. Everyone will forget

that I was anti-vax and just be like oh, remember the mask? You need to travel. Like you need to travel. Yeah. Travel. You just need to like

find yourself You just need to go to like Italy and have some gelato And then like everything's cool You just need to like You know Right? Everything's good in Leaf land I'm happy

They got outplayed by a team that wanted it more Yeah A team that's not very good though That's the bad part The Leafs have been fantastic And yes So many teams would gladly trade places with them However, here are some concerning things

they noticed, and also, uh-oh, the schedule looks bad coming up. That's worth pointing out. I think I agree, Steve. Totally agree. I'm not disagreeing with you there. I just Maybe he is! You know what? I'm disagreeing. I think the schedule's easy, and I think... Listen. Oh, I really pinched my finger bad in the chair there.

When you are among the top five teams in the league, which they are, um... On paper and in practice, I think. Yeah, on paper and in practice, points-wise, they're a top five team. Every game's gonna be easy

Right? Pretty much every game Should be Should be easier Try! All I'm asking is that the millionaires try So I just think I just think you ought to let the millionaires off the hook Because everybody's entitled to a bad night It was a Monday night, it was a stinker, it sucked

They were all at BMO on Sunday Yeah, that's what it was, it was the damn CFL I saw Marner with a Bud Light in his hand Apparently Mike Babcock, obviously a huge Riders fan was out sitting in the cold while the other guys, the guys that were,

I think Marner and Martin were there. Matthews. Matthews, they were all up in the box and I guess Babcock gave him help for that. He was like, oh, I gotta get there

and tough out the cold. And I'm like, you know what, Mike? Nah. No. I know you're from Saskatchewan, but nah, let's not pretend being cold is fun.

I went to the season opener for TFC one time, like totally unprepared. Like the Centennial Classic, I at least, you know, I wore my Michelin Man outfit and was all ballooned up.

I went for, yeah. That wasn't that time That was Drew Doughty day No the sonnet thing Where he's wearing The big puffy jacket Which one's

When you're meeting Doughty Oh that's when I had The extra large golf shirt Ah yeah I know I used that picture The picture of the The red shirt Please can you

That be the cover photo On this The other embarrassing Picture The Michelin man Was that was Santanio So at least

That was bundled up But no I went to A season opener For TFC Please show both pictures in the video so at least people know what we're talking about. I was just in the middle of a story. It just wasn't a good one.

Sorry, go ahead and tell your story. Put your thumb down. No one likes your thumb. Screw your thumb. Anyway, it's cold. That's gotta be hard for Matthews. What were you talking about? I was trying to get to the point that Matthews, other than being on the ice, is probably like,

yeah, being cold is balls. So he's like, I'll go inside. And you know, BMO Field has this luxury of being down by the lake and no buildings surrounding it. So it's like the one spot in Toronto where the wind off the leg really whips you. And it comes in and it comes across the stadium. And I was there for a TFC playoff game last year in the quarterfinals. And it was so cold.

So cold. So much fun. And the TFC won. So it made it good when you're jumping up and down. Hallelujah. They should have reviewed the game-winning goal, though. So, okay. Should have reviewed it.

I'm of two minds on this goal. I believe Steve is of one. what are your thoughts on austin matthews not goal in his 100th nhl game glad you asked and maybe i can uh no though that's a bad picture too just see it's me on my cell phone uh myrtle oh it's either myrtle or chris johnson i think it was myrtle uh anyway so i took five screen grabs and put them in my video today of the hymen incident or lack thereof so okay the goal is this allowed what was the problem you guys had with it is what i want to know because i want to know if it's the problem that most leave fans had with it jesse can you put the pictures away for a second

did you find this on at one i know it's a terrible picture it's a terrible picture what were you doing in that picture i don't know i just saw them taking my picture and made a stupid pose and You guys are dicks. It's like I'm a little teapot, Steve. I will. I look short and stout. That's for sure. Yeah, show the laptop to the camera.

And don't just insert it into the video, you dingus. It's real profesh. I'm super profesh. A couple issues. Also, I called you a dingus. Did you know that I'm 56? A couple issues with the plane. And a couple issues with the plane.

First is that clearly Auntie Ranta got speared. Yes. Clearly. Yes. The problem I had with it is he wouldn't have had the Coyotes' defense not pushed him into anti-Ranta. Thank you. It wasn't that he was speared and had plenty of time to get back up, which I saw a lot of Leaf fans say. This wasn't as egregious as Jonathan Quick, who literally gave up on the play and intentionally left the net to avoid responsibility for being a goaltender.

That was a mockery of the sport. This is, I just think, a blown call. It's as simple as that. I had a second issue, though. What was the second issue? Second issue is that Antiranta did have time to get up and make the save. And hang on. He had two Mississippi.

Is that long enough? Fuck yeah. Okay, if that's not long enough, then literally you call the play dead. And that's my problem. I didn't see it as the problem. How long before the goalie is considered back in the play? because he went from one side of the net to the other side of the net. He had two seconds to do it.

Two seconds as a goalie is a lifetime. Are you kidding me? No, no, no, no. He was in position to make the save. And had he made the save, would they have reviewed the save? No. No, they wouldn't have reviewed the save because it would have been a save. And look at that.

Wow. Despite getting speared, he made the save. I agree with you that I don't think he would have stopped it regardless. No, I don't think. I think he did get set, but that wasn't the problem I had with the play. Because people went, okay, would you look at it this way if it was Freddie? And I can't honestly say that I would. All your points are valid.

I'm just saying there's a little bit of bias there for me. I'll tell you what my issue is. But I have another issue that I think is bulletproof. Can I add this to the goalie recovering part? Yeah, sure. So this was from Catherine Silverman from The Athletic Chicago. Catherine, Jesse? Catherine.

Sure. Catherine? No, Catherine. Oh. I know. That's cool, man. Do you have a problem with that? No.

Catherine? No, no. That's cool, man. Do you? Let me know what, what's her name? Mathern? She said, my opinion on the Auston Matthews no-goal. adding that the onus there is on Hyman to be aware

that he's blatantly restricting the goaltender inside the crease, not on Ranta to move around him and quickly recover. There's a somewhat plausible argument to be made that it's a no-call since the interference isn't occurring during the shot, but in my opinion, it's significant enough interference that you can't count the ensuing goal. It looked like there was enough time to physically recover, but nowhere near enough time to regain sight lines in the play

and reset properly. And that, to me, is the key in the ruling. I sort of disagree, but here's my problem with it. The way they called it was the correct call. My issue is how it's called. My issue is with the rule. My issue is with the gray area. It's not that the refs made the wrong call

or the head office made the wrong call. It's the fact that if that happened to any team, if you're a Rangers fan and this happens to you, if you're a Panthers fan and this happened, you're going to feel totally blown by this. Because it's not, blow the play dead or don't. That's the thing. Because how long, how long should the Leafs have had to

dipsy-doodle around with the puck before, okay, now Antti Rant is back and good now? See, this is the thing, though. Like, if he gets interfered with, if he gets interfered with, should he not put up his hand and go, I was interfered with? And then blow the call then?

But then what if they don't call it? That's a slippery slope. See, I don't want them to do that. Because then you're going to get what I think is probably going to be a growing trend. Forget players diving and the cadre shoulder check. Goalies are going to be flopping all over the place. Don't make an attempt to save it.

Why would you? Why would you? If you got bumped in the least, take the fall, act hurt, get indignant. Every time. Every single time. Because if that is what's going to get called, with all due respect to Catherine,

I think we've... With all due respect to Catherine, we've talked many times. I disagree with her assessment. Okay, so I took five screen grabs, put them in my video. So, and maybe you can put them into this, I don't know. Christian Fischer is pushing on Zach Hyman, who is breaking, not in the crease. Oliver Ekman-Larsen is backing up into the crease.

Antti Ranta's just doing his thing, I have no problem with him. Oliver Ekman-Larsen's ass hits Hyman's stick, while Fischer is still pushing him. Ekman-Larsen, why won't it continue? Ekman-Larsen continues advancing backwards. Fischer continues advancing forwards. Hyman is still breaking, still not in the crease. Now his stick is pointed at Ranta. Now that Ekman-Larsen has completely backed into him,

Fischer is pushing him forward. And then the last one is where the stick finally makes contact. And Hyman is in the middle of a Coyotes defender sandwich. So, the call on the ice was this was a goal. Then they reviewed it and found there was goaltender interference, which means they saw that and thought there was enough evidence to overturn the on-ice call. I just don't get it.

I don't get it. What is Hyman supposed to do? What's Hyman supposed to do? You know, not be there in front of the net at all. I think they should just, all the shots should come from the perimeter. We should go to the NBA, three points. I don't know.

I don't know. Like, you, they will not call goaltender interference if it's found that a defender completely pushed a player into the goalie. What about the player's equipment? What about the stick? Because that's what happened here. That's what happened here.

This wasn't a case of Fisher, Ekman, Larson bumping Hyman completely into Ranta. But they moved his stick to a place where it wasn't going, which resulted in Ranta getting poked. That wasn't Hyman's fault. But in the way that they currently call the rule, would you agree that... How do they currently call the rule? The way they have been calling it, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised, but it's wrong. Okay, then your issue is the same as mine, which is it's not what they called last night.

It's the rule itself that needs clarification, that needs gray area. There's a reason why they didn't attach a penalty to goaltender interference viewing calls because there's so much gray area that the general managers were like, well, we don't want to attach a penalty to those kind of challenges because that could be bad. I also wanted to see Babcock be a dick. When the Coyotes scored the 3-1 empty netter, you should have reviewed it for offside. Just take the penalty. Who cares?

Just review it for offside. waste their time. No, good. Because I'm sick of this shit. This is terrible. Can I watch my sport? Can I watch it? When JVR scored the 1-1 goal which is long before this incident happened the first thing I did was look at the ref. It wasn't celebrate

because if there is a your team jersey in front of the other team's net and your team scores, there's no point celebrating. Why? It might be a waste of energy. Matthews with the, yeah! That great moment. Fuck that. That's gone. Like, that's gone. This is what I'm talking about.

There's no point celebrating until the puck is dropped at center ice, someone said to me on Twitter. They're absolutely right. This is why I'm, and I've said this before. Why did you make me chug that? I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I think we have to allow for human error in these situations. If your entire focus is getting the call right all the time, then forget those moments. Forget them.

And I mean that. This league sucks. Can we just talk about how the NHL sucks? I would prefer not to. We do talk about that. Okay, so if the rule's not right, then what's the right rule? I think it's clarification. I think the rule's correct, they just enforced it wrong.

The Coyotes players pushed their opponent's equipment into their goaltender. What's Hyman supposed to know about that? But right now, Steve, that's what they're calling. They're calling no matter who made contact. Oh, that's shit. No matter how they... That's shit. I agree.

I don't think that's the rule, though. Because I've seen refs multiple times be like, okay, well, the guy came in contact with the goalie, but he was shoved in. Because refs, I'll give them the credit, they have common sense. They have some common sense. I wish they would have used some here.

Hyman's stick was not going into Ranta until it was planted into Ranta. I'm just not, I'm not a fan of the way they're calling it right now. I think that they, based on the history that I've seen in the first quarter of the season, I'm not surprised they made that call.

I don't agree with the call. I don't agree with the way the rule is called. That's my point. You can't, listen, I can't change the rule. I can disagree with the way the rule's done though. I'm shocked that it was a goal on the ice and they looked at that and went, significant evidence to overturn. Absolutely not. Trying to read rule 69 from the NHL rule book?

It's not a nice rule. Is it actually rule 69? Under Rule 69, goaltender interference is a penalty in ice hockey where a player is found in the goal crease when a goalie is establishing his position in the same area. Under Rule 69, this will result in a minor penalty to the offending player. So I guess that's not the one on a goal. No, so Hyman got a penalty earlier in the season

where he crashed the net and entered the crease and just completely bowled over the goalie. That's legit. I think he got in like an offensive zone Penalty on the penalty kill Which I remember lambasting Because how the hell do you do that I would love to know their reasoning for this

Why Can't we interview refs after the game No Why You don't want people knowing the refs Stoning them Getting on twitter and ranting about the refs Oh my god send a tweet

Send something Explain this shit Or you're just gonna have Unhappy fans It has happened many times Many times on the show and in videos Where I've been mad And seen an explanation and gone

You know what you're right Well that's why I miss Brendan Shanahan's videos How great were those right Did they do one for Kachuk yet No I don't think they're good Do they do videos anymore Do they do them anymore I don't know

I don't think so If they do, they don't publicize them. I mean... I mean, it's not like the NHL is known for its transparency. Let's be straight about that. No, it's a great league. It's a great league. It always keeps their fans informed and happy.

Have you checked out their website? It's great. It tells you everything you want to know. Hey, do you want to know who the leading scorers are by weight? They got you covered. Piece of crap. Did Hyman impair the goalkeeper's ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal?

I think his defenders made Hyman do that. Not by the result of his own actions. It has to be, to me, it should be by the result of his own actions. Okay, so that's where... That's my issue with the... But that's why they're calling it the way they're calling it, right? Yeah, because it's not clear on whether it is his own fault. It's just, if a defender impairs the goalkeeper's ability to move freely,

it's goal interference. If you can, like, I'm not even saying 100% for certain that Hyman didn't, like, I don't know, sort of intentionally, oops-a-daisy do it, accidentally interfere. But to watch that replay and say definitively, without a shadow of a doubt, there's enough evidence there to overturn the call on the ice, that's shocking. I don't get it.

I don't get it. That's terrible. It should have counted. On the issue of what the hell's going on here, Brian Lawton who is an analyst former NHL player as well former agent I think

he's kind of done it all I don't understand why every trade rumor he tweets about is objectively not true and whenever he does you get guys like Bob McKenzie and Elliot Friedman coming out and going yeah no that's not what we've heard

and those are the guys that are consistently correct so yesterday or the day before, I think it was, Brian Lawton tweeted about the Leafs being interested in OEL, Oliver Ekman-Larsen, and William Nylander going the other way. Now,

why the Leafs would do that, why the Coyotes would do that, I'm not sure. I'm going to go with why the Coyotes would do that. I love William Nylander, but I don't know who could have watched last night and not been like, yeah, I'll take OEL. Holy shit, he's good. He's amazing.

I don't understand what I don't even want to talk about the trade rumor because it's not a rumor. I don't understand what the point of tweeting something like that is. When clearly How bad is it? Well, but how bad is your source? Or do you have a source?

Like, what's going on there? This is not the first time he's done this. What was the exact wording? I'll look it up. Okay. I need to know. Was he reporting it as a rumor? He wasn't joking like Howard Berger. Okay. Well, was Howard Berger joking if it isn't funny?

Yeah. Yeah, joke's bomb. Yeah, I will... I will... You can trash him for the joke not being funny, but for people to talk about, like, oh, his reputation. Well, the problem was that all I did,

I went into City TV the next day, and all I heard was from people going, who'd heard about the article and going, the Leafs are going to trade Matt Matthews, aren't they? That's their own fault. He's going to be really expensive. That's their own fault. No, they're passive fans, Steve.

They don't know. That's why they were asking me. So they read the tweet and didn't click anything, and they just went... No, they heard... Steve, do you not know how things work? Are you new at this? I know how things work.

People are dumb. They're not dumb. They're gullible. Dude. Ungullible. Sorry, man. They don't look at hockey like we do through a microscope. So when something like that comes out.

Oh, a microscope clicking the thing. All they saw was a tweet. Steve. All they saw was the title. These are people that are. Really, Steve? These are. Dude.

I thought it was dumb, too, but he wasn't reporting it as fact. No, but if a casual person, like if your mom sees that, she's going to be like, oh, my gosh. Matthews is being traded. My mom would be wrong. But you can't blame her for that. You should blame the source. That's true. I guess I wouldn't blame her for that.

No, exactly. Yeah. But it's still her fault. I just wouldn't blame her. No. Does that make sense? It's his fault for making a bad article about it completely pointless. It was pointless.

He should have waited for April 1st. I don't know, Howard. I'm sure he's a nice guy. But what the hell, man? Come on. He should have waited for April 1st. Yeah, that would make sense in context. Exactly.

That's something you could explain to your mom. Be like, oh, it's an April Fool's joke. this, oh, this guy was just trying to be funny. How do you explain that to a casual person? It wasn't funny. The Maple Leafs played the Coyotes. I think it would have made much more sense.

Way more fun. Poor Howard. Chatter seems to be picking up about OEL and the Arizona Coyotes. A couple of known insiders talking about William Nylander for OEL deal. So he's straight up reporting this as fact then. What a great deal it would be for the Maple Leafs. Obviously on the flip side it would be a disaster

for the Coyotes as Elite D are a rarity shut up Brian if it is true shut up don't ruin this for us whatever you narc stop dumping on the leaf party so why did he make this up

no I think you know what I hear stuff all the time and I think the difference between really good insiders and others is really good insiders hear things all the time and verify things yes and do some investigative work um rather than just you can't just hear it from one person and be like guess what i don't think that's good enough

i don't that's not like there journalism is spelled all lowercase when it comes to sports in many cases there are a lot of journalists out there who journalism yeah journalism Objectivity Which, I mean, Jesus, you just heard me yell and scream About how the Leafs got robbed of the goal And by the way, can I just throw this out there Journalism is more than a degree Journalism is a practice of values

Yes, and I've seen some of the best At work And they don't even let you know very much About what they're doing They're meticulous They're meticulous and they wait months And months and they corroborate stories And while they're trying to make sure

something is actually true that thing is also developing so they need to follow the developments of it it's meticulous it's hard work and they take it really seriously they don't just hear one rumor and just bust out their phone and go

guess what I had somebody tell me on breakfast television once we were reporting on an entertainment story and they're like you are a terrible journalist they tweeted it at me and I was right about a story and what I told them was I said well that's great because I'm not

I said I'm not a journalist And they're like well what the hell are you doing on TV I'm like I am reporting something But I'm not a journalist I'm repeating stories that are coming out of Various outlets There is a difference between being a reporter and being a journalist I went to cover the Belleville

Senators the other day And I got to interview Andrew Hammond The Hamburglar I was reporting And I'm going to be honest With what I say but I'm not a journalist You know what I mean? I think most people know my deal.

Yeah. He's a Leafs fan, you know, who just... You didn't do any investigative work? No, I just asked him, and I'm going to let you know what words he said. And they're real. If you don't believe me, I have the audio. Like, I'll throw it out there. But I don't know if that's journalism, though.

That's reporting. I'm not fake news! Andrew Hammond is a lovely individual. Fake news. No. He's a jerk. Not at all. What?

He's a jerk. Did you give him any hamburgers? He gave me hamburgers Doesn't he get it for life from McDonald's No so I read in the Athletic That I was very sad to see He also did a story on Hammond I was like oh shit

Nobody can see that I'm going to post it for free Hammond Only got like a thousand dollar gift card for that That's so shitty I know Come on McDonald's A little bit disappointing

But I mean How much is a pro athlete Going to eat McDonald's First of all A thousand dollars At McDonald's Like that is a burger A day

No For three years Yeah forever On the dollar menu If you get If you get like Six buddies On the dollar menu

You get six buddies Two weekends Bunch of beers You're done A thousand dollars Well maybe in your early 20s Andrew Hammond Hey

Phaneufel likes hamburgers too Does he? I don't know I know he likes lobster Why are you Your fake news Hanging out with our friend Faisal Sorry, I took us all the way.

No, no, I'm just trying to figure out, this is not the first time this has happened from Brian Lawton, and I'm just trying to figure out why he's doing this. Now, is it just that he has a source, that the source told him and he just checked that? Because here's the thing, when this happens, especially with the Maple Leafs, and I'm sure it's the same with Montreal as well, when something like that comes on, then I know guys like Elliot, like Bob, are like, okay, now I've got to call into the lunchtime radio shows and say, Okay, listen, not true from what I've heard.

Toronto really doesn't have an appetite to trade Nylander. Arizona doesn't want to trade OEL, so I'm not really sure where that came from. It must be exhausting. Literally, those guys spend 99% of their time going, no, that's not really a thing. Can you imagine? That's the entire story. Hey, Bob, what are you working on? I'm trying to find the Fisher tweet where he basically, ah, shoot.

He posts the Bob McKenzie article. He's like, I love Bob. This is a lot of words to basically get to nothing to see here. And it's true. Bob is one of the Mount Rushmore of hockey journalism. Elliot Friedman's the other? And, I mean, there's a few guys, but, like, he's got to be on there. And I feel bad when a guy who really puts in the time,

just because something is the rumor of the day, has to go, ugh. So here's no, here's the thing. Like, I have no doubt that Lawton's tweet is based in fact. I just question. Based in fact that he heard it or based in fact that they had conversations? Like, I would bet. Like, okay, the Leafs management team must talk all the freaking time. All the time.

So, yeah, you're calling every team about their best defenseman probably. Yeah, and they're probably going, all right, OEL, that guy's pretty good. All right, so how would we do that? Exactly. I don't know I don't know Probably take like Nylander

And uh Yeah And I don't know Maybe that leaked out there somehow Or maybe it was from the other side Maybe it's like an assistant GM You can't forget that These are also people

And people just like to Just see what's out there Shooting the shit I believe And just shoot the shit Shooting the shit Oh man I bet the Leafs would really like

To get their hand on OEL Wow There's 30 other teams That would all feel like To get their hands on them In order for them to get him I mean

Gosh Start with Nylander. And then it's, you know, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter. Do you think Shirely's ever had a drunk conversation where he's like, what would I get for McDavid? Absolutely. Yeah. I bet.

How many first round picks are there? But you don't go and report that. How many? Okay. I would love to know if Shirely's ever gotten wasted and had this conversation. How many seventh rounders would you have to be given to get McDavid? Like 30? No.

No, Shirely's king of the one-for-one, so it's one-for-one. Yeah, no. No, but you couldn't do a one-for-one. We'll take Shea Weber for Connor McDavid. We should just get wasted and dress up as, like, different NHL GMs. Dibs on Shirely. And just have GM conversations? Yeah.

I'll trade you. But if you gave, like, 50 second-round picks, I'd do that. Okay. Yeah, for the next 50 years. For the next 50 years, you get Nashville's second-round pick. McDavid's gone. I'll give you Mitch Marner for Connor McDavid. And?

What, is that not enough? All right, I'll give you Super Saiyan Mitch Marner for Connor McDavid. There's a question. There's a legitimate question. Is Super Saiyan Mitch Marner worth one Super David? Super Saiyan anybody is worth more than anybody. No! Super Saiyan Zach Rinaldo

is not worth Alex Burrows. Absolutely not. More than Matthews. No, absolutely not. He's Super Saiyan. No. He's not not even. He's Super Saiyan.

Are we drunk? Sound it. Alright, so listen, again, I don't want to demonize Brian Lawton, I just want to figure out what the hell's going on with him. Boy, did I get a lot of messages going, I don't like this Dragon Ball Z crap, and boy did it not deter me from doing it one bit. It kind of made me want to do it more.

One thing that we do know, and that we're fairly clear on, is that the Oilers are looking for things. In the last couple weeks, we've heard the wing, we've heard another center, we've heard defense, goaltending. He used to be GM of the Bruins, screw that guy. Um, so I guess there are, uh, there are rumors that Ryan Murray might be on his way out of Columbus for new Eric Johnson might be on his way to the Oilers. Jack Johnson. Jack Johnson. Sorry.

Uh, what's the deal, Steve? They, uh, Twitter is a Twitter. What's the deal? Uh, Shirely's phone should be melting with incoming calls right now, uh, because that is a panicky Pete of a GM right now, who seems pretty hell-bent on selling low on everything.

Loves one-for-ones. The two teams in the Western Conference that do not yet have 20 points are the Oilers and Coyotes. If the Coyotes win the next two games, and the Oilers don't, the Coyotes will surpass them. Coyotes are three points behind them.

Is it panic time? Do you hit the panic button now? The gap between the Oilers and the Canucks, who are the team just above them is... Seven points. Five. Five. Five points.

Math is hard. Math is hard. Trades are also hard. Wow. That's gross, man. The gap between St. Louis and Edmonton is 15 points. So, okay. And we are 20 games in.

That's a big deal, 20 games in. The rumor from... Well, American Thanksgiving is what? This week. A couple days. So, it's almost not too early. It's almost not too early. And the Leafs play them twice coming up.

look the rumor from Drager that sent Oilers Twitter just into a complete tizzy was

Oilers are looking for a defenseman well hasn't the thing everyone's been complaining about all season

been that their forwards aren't good enough and they don't have enough speed up front so are you going to take

away from that like are you going to trade a Nuge to get that defenseman Taylor Hall would look

real nice oh my god Eberle. Not Yakubov, though. And it's not like, the one thing I'm glad Oilers fans haven't really done that much this season is blame the whole thing on not having Andre Sequeira.

Andre Sequeira is a very good defenseman. Andre Sequeira is not so good that not having him sinks your entire season and makes you one of the bottom five teams in the league. Maybe Shirely, who has pretty much constructed this Oilers team has not done a good job. Like, this is the thing with, like, Bergevin and Shirely

I see as being two GMs in a similar position. You now need to get yourself out of the mess you created. You created. You can't complain about inheriting anything. You know what you inherited? Connor McFrickin David. And you're botching it. That's right, you weren't even the GM.

Did they hire him in time to draft Connor McDavid, or was it Craig McTavish that drafted him? It wasn't at the same... Because Craig McTavish won the lottery and was like, Yay! I think he won the lottery and then got fired the next week. And then Peter Chiarelli had to make the biggest Fisher-Price slam dunk of his life. Just full-grown adult male on a child's basketball net,

drafting Connor McDavid. And then I think he signed Lucic. Yeah, and then he had the whole offseason. The Hall-Larsen trade, the Eberle-Strom trade. Buddy. Also, but last year, they were very good. Yeah, all it took was like a Vezina nominee goalie. And sometimes you get that.

And that's how your team is going? Yeah, but that's not good. I mean, the Kings snuck into the playoffs and won their first cup with a Vezina nominee goalie. Jonathan Quick they wrote him to the finals yes but Stephen Birch posted hieroglyphics no I think Stephen Birch would agree with that no I don't know

here's what's funny I would never have expected and I don't think anybody would have that the 2015 Oilers and 2015 Sabres would be as bad as they are now in 2017 Oilers are in second last in the West

Sabres are in dead last in the East Jack Eichel is on the third line Which is dumb Because he's easily their best player I love that Phil Housley came out and was like He's a great player, does a lot of great things You know what happened 46 days before He was on the third line

They gave him $80 million Well, ball's in their court now I mean, he gave up his cards As soon as he signed the contract We're talking about three teams right now who aren't good and it's their own fault. This is why I'm hesitant

because I've said before I don't think the Leafs defense is talented enough to compete at that level. It doesn't mean that they won't get there, as I said. Carrick had a bad game. But you don't, and they're going to have bad games. Of course. It's not their strength, but the great thing about the NHL is that often teams

win because they play to their strengths, not because they have your EA Sports NHL team, which has the best of literally everybody. What is the Oilers' strength? It should be goal scoring. It should be. And speed. Because their best player is the fastest player

and probably the best player on the planet. And their second best player has the same characteristics. Two guys. It's not enough. Jordan Eberle would have been a great compliment to that, I think. Not enough. You know who I would have traded?

Before Eberle. because you can. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Not because, not because, here's the deal. You have a guy like that, and I know this is rewinding and this is pointless now. Sure. But you've got your top two centers, right?

Unless you want to play the two of them together. But Dreisaitl and McDavid should be one and two. You can go out and you can get a decent center. You could have got Brian Boyle this summer. You could have got anybody. You could have got Tyler Bozak. Nick Bonino. Could have got Tyler Bozak in a trade.

I would like to know from Oilers fans, because, you know, it's hard to follow every team this closely. Has Drysaddle been playing mostly wing or center? I think he's been playing with McDavid, hasn't he? See, if they just put him at center and let him develop there, like even if there's some growing pains, then you've got a 1-2-3 of McDavid, Drysaddle, Nugent.

No one's touching him. My thing is, here's just an interesting point. If you're the Oilers this summer, this last summer, and you're looking to unload $6 million, which they were with Eberle instead of trading for a guy who's less good but also less expensive why not move Nuge for a guy like

Gauch or Nuge for a guy like Duchesne or really? I don't know about that what is he making 7.5 million? Nuge 6 6 million flat

they both were or like Duchesne why were they not in on a Duchesne or something like that you know what I mean Maybe they tried. Maybe they did. I don't know. It just seemed weird at the time that that's your return.

That's weird to me. Or when Jonathan Drouin was available. Why didn't they make a harder push for that? The Oilers right now are the kid whose parents gave him an apple for snack trying to negotiate their way into Dunkaroos. And it's just not working. Believe me, I tried it. Could they land a four roll-up?

James Bale is available. And it's going to cost them their 2018 first-round pick. That's my goal. James Neal will be an oiler by the end of the season. By the way, no. The Vegas Golden Knights are going to be the team of the year in that they'll easily be the most fascinating. They're doing great.

They're doing so great that how do they screw this up? No, it's the NHL, though. They might find a way. They might find a way, but they're really... Greater teams have failed. Greater, yep. But, oh, believe me, I've seen it. But this team is on pace for having to try to miss the playoffs.

And I don't know if any GM, you're George McPhee. You had the entire hockey world by the cajones. And now in your first season, you have an offense. By the cajones. And now you have an offense. By the despacitos. By the, okay. and right now you have an opportunity to have your name on oh yeah everybody talking crap about

the team i built guess what playoffs idiot because i'm george mcphee make fun of my philip forsberg trade now i just got an expansion team to the playoffs i don't know if any gm has the strength to hold themselves back from that. How do they sell? He built a bad team. Bullshit, look at the standings. That's how George McPhee looks at it. As he should.

Belmar is clearly a five or six million dollar star. Dude! Legacy, Vezna, Legassi, sorry. I mean, he's got the most wins in franchise history. I should remember the name.

They still have Marc-Andre Fleury Coming back That's unbelievable And they're Yeah They're gonna get better Yeah

And they're gonna sell They're gonna sell Their leading scorer And then make the playoffs Yeah maybe not Maybe you're right Unless Maybe

Maybe they get Pooley Harvey Who has a 30 goal season That starts in February Does he win GM of the year McPhee Yeah

He might Oh my god If they make the playoffs In a walk In a walk They're the best expansion team ever. I was thus far dead wrong about the team.

I'm blown away. Blown away. We'll see what happens. They're an expansion team on their fourth goalie. They should lose every game 12-1. And everyone if Vegas was as bad as we thought they would be

and they lost every game 12-1 we'd be sitting here going, impressed by the one. Yeah. But it's not as bad as we thought they were. It's as bad as they should be now. Because on paper, they're still a bad team. They shouldn't be winning these games. So were the Avalanche a couple years ago and they finished first in the NHL.

Or the Western Conference. Which doesn't make sense. Back to the Oilers for a second. Sorry. You had other options other than trading Eberle. Or you could have traded Eberle, brought in Strom. Or traded Eberle, brought in Picks, and gone out and got a guy like Radulov. Or Andre Markov.

You know, there's your defense problem. Go get Andre Markov. And Chiarelli, by his own admission, did a bad job this offseason. He said that? No, but his actions did. He's already been visibly, or he was reportedly upset with Strom and his performance since that trade. Strom has been exactly the guy he was on the island,

which is why they traded him. Yeah, but he thought he could turn water into wine with that. And then he signed Yossi Okunin, traded him, what, 15 games in for Mike Camilleri. so he's already fidgeting with the moves that he made like a couple months ago like we're barely into winter jacket season and and this guy is regretting decisions he made well in edmonton they started a couple months ago but yeah you're right holy smokes someone i know on facebook was in regina today minus 16 blowing snow sounds great jonathan goudreau

johnny hacky 10 game point streak hey mrs dangles got him in the pool that's pretty cool good for him. That's awesome. Kadri's on a seven-game point streak. Fun fact. He is. He got a point last night? Oh, yeah. He tipped that thing. Three more to be as good as Johnny. According to Alexander Radulov, who we just brought up,

last year, he had a three-year offer, a four-year offer, and a five-year offer on the table by about December from the Montreal Canadiens. But he was like, well, we're 30 games in, and I'd like to take a look. And I guess what happened was, in the offseason,

And not only did Jim Nill call from Dallas, but Tyler Sagan and Jamie Benn and the head coach, Ken Hitchcock, they all called and said, hey, we'd really like you to come here. And Bergevin at the last minute is like, okay, I'll give you whatever money they're giving you after fighting him and fighting him and fighting him on the term. And he's like, well, but they were first, man. They were in on it. And, you know, for a guy that wanted to stay there, like, it's funny. It's just weird. Like, how did—Dallas put the sell job in on him, and I'm sure it helps that the taxes are way lower in Texas. But, if you're Mark Bergevin, and he was your leading scorer, right?

I might have been behind Pacioretty. Okay. So he's your one-two guy. He's good. That's a guy that you got literally for nothing. You got him from Russia, you paid him some money. This is your opportunity to capitalize on that asset, and you let him walk. What's that Bruno Mars song where he laments being a bad boyfriend?

Boyfriend? When I was your man. Do you think Mark Ergman watches highlights of Radulov and, I should have bought you flowers and bought you borscht. I don't know. Russian things. I think that's Ukrainian, but okay. I'm pretty sure.

I might be wrong. That half of the world there. Right there. That half of the super continent. You know, because it's all the same in there. Yes. Oh, you know. I just can't help but picturing

Bergevin walking around and like kicking pebbles on the ground thinking about Radulov and just Streets of Philadelphia from Bruce Springsteen playing he's outside of Radulov's hotel room with a boombox above his head

that's all I'm picturing question for the two of you who's more likely to turn around Edmonton or Montreal Edmonton In fact, I still think the Oilers will. I think they both will. I have to be honest with you. I don't think Montreal has talent.

I never did. Just don't wait. Yeah, but Carey Price has been bad. He's injured, though. And I don't think Carey Price has been... Has Carey Price been bad or are the Habs bad? And Carey Price isn't Carey Price because the team sucks. I'm still waiting for Berkshire to write that damn article

about how the Habs defense are screwing over their goalies. I would love to know that. Especially Carey Price. I would love to... Because I don't know the answer to that question. But I would like to know... I have a feeling that Carey Price, first of all, is injured and has been most of the season. Yes, there you go.

Second, if you were healthy, it would still be a bad team. Yeah, for sure. But the Oilers... And McDavid's been good. It's been the thing that's been glossed over. You mean McDavid's been McDavid? Yes. Yes.

No, there was a thing. I guess he had a bad game with a few giveaways and he was on the ice for a bunch of goals. Oh, McDavid! Trade him! No! And I saw someone on Twitter be like, you know, maybe we should stop beating up the team's best player. And I'm like, oh, Phil Kessel should favorite this. That's always the guy.

Phil Kessel should favorite this. Yeah, anyway, interesting stuff going on with the Oilers. I wanted to ask you a couple questions. Have you heard about HawkVision? No. HawkVision? I assume it's what Freddie Anderson started using a couple weeks ago. No, it's interesting.

HawkVision, Deadspin, did a write-up on this. and if you are a Blackhawks fan, you know exactly what Hawk Vision is. So apparently in the 90s, get this, Bill Wurtz who is the owner, his son now owns the team. Bill Wurtz was famous for not wanting to put games on TV because he believed it affected the season

ticket holders. He didn't think it was fair that they paid admission and that you jackass got to sit at home and watch it from your couch. Even though advertising sales all the things sponsorships, all the things that go along with TV advertising that bring in revenue

This is a guy who made his, who's a billionaire, somehow didn't understand this concept. But anyway. No, if you want to watch hockey, you better watch it live. Yeah. On a screen's not the same. This is the discussion we've had so many times. How do billionaires make it? They're good at the one thing.

They got the one thing. If I didn't know any better, they're all idiots. Every single one of them. How did they get that far? I don't get it. How didn't they wash out? So this is the beginning of. They just went through every net in society?

What the hell? I think once you make a billion dollars, you stop learning. Yeah. No, and start forgetting. But also, remember, he'd owned the team since, like, the 30s, right? Like, it was a... Jesus. Yeah.

So, anyway, Bill Wurtz decided that instead, because you're a jackass for not wanting to come all the way down for the game, that he would charge you pay-per-view for the game. Like, friggin' SummerSlam? So imagine it's every game you've got to pay, all right? Wow. How much do you think per game? Think about an 82-game schedule and think about the playoffs. What year is this?

1991-92. Ooh, that's not bad. I'm going to say three. I'm going to say $2.99. $2.99 a game. My guess is $10 every game. Wow. More than Netflix is now.

Alright, so here's the deal Oh boy During the Stanley Cup fever days of 1992 The playoff Oh yeah, because they made the final The playoff run prices topped $15 a game Oh my god

The bracket says approximately the cost of a new Saturn at the time Look at the car Oh my god $15 a game A game That's only about half the price of a ticket Right If I'm going by my ticket stub

Yes And that's the idea He thought you should pay ticket price. Oh my god! So, he said... To watch on your... I mean, it's 1991. 18-inch TV? Yeah. 22?

That weighs 150 pounds. Which he said at the time, we're not trying to force anyone to buy it. Yeah. Yeah, you are. Yeah. The writer of this blog is hilarious. The team claimed there were 20,000 HawkVision subscribers.

What? In return for an investment of about $50, they got a standard broadcast of a hockey game for the playoff run. So I guess in the... Which means you only have 20,000 people watching every game. Words kept HawkVision going beyond the 1992 Stanley Cup playoff run, offering to sell access to regular season home games for the next two seasons at an unbelievable hindsight price of $29.99 a month.

That's an inflation-adjusted $53 to watch one team. Now, how much is a Game Center subscription for the year? $25. Now, holy shit, Bill. Bill, right? Yeah. Now, remember at the time, the team had Balfour, Chelios, Roenick, Steve Larmer, Steve Smith, Terry Suter. Yeah, Joe Murphy, Tony Amante, Brent Sutter.

and later on later on he said, I guess the Hawks front office used to say he used to tell the Hawks front office Stanley Cups cost too much money so he'd sell he'd just sell because

Stanley Cups cost too much money to win and what was amazing, and this is kind of sad so the team tried to honor him in 2007 when he died oh didn't they boo him? and Hawks fans booed him good How freaking sour

Like how terrible do you have to be To die And people are still like yeah man fuck you I'd love to know what people did When Howard What's his name? I think they were probably pretty respectful They shouldn't have been

Harold Ballard almost sold Frank Mahal Over a poker game when he was drunk in 1962 And by the way That happens today With the conversations we were having earlier about GM's going, you know what? That happens today. 100%. I was going to at one point. I found a Harold Ballard interview on the CBC archives

and I was going to bring it to the show. Was it the dumb check one? He's a dumb check. Not the dumb check one. There's a female host on the CBC, God forbid, in the late 70s. Oh, goodness. Congrats to her. Holy shit. He's talking to Dick Irvin who is Dick Irvin and this female host

and I forget her name. Forgive me because it was a year ago that I found this. And 40 years ago that it happened. Yeah. And she is trying to talk to him and has a very good humor about dealing with harold ballard and he's and harold ballard is completely ignoring her and going can you please shut that woman up so i can speak to so i can have a conversation with this man and he's just the worst and i and i i i am surprised in this city we kind of look back on that era and we go we go oh well that was just that time oh no wendell clark wendell clark this

guy this guy was a gigantic asshole he was in our lifetime yeah it's embarrassing just embarrassing Jesus. Terrible. Now, the... I know I'm glad that Rogers now owns... Rogers. ...Maple East. Part.

Yes. Rogers and Lawrence Tannenbaum. Yes. Total Larry. Lawrence, who I... Did I mention that I drunkenly tried to say hi to him at a playoff game? No. Why?

He was... What? If I have any more than two drinks in me, I don't talk to important people. I was drunk at game three. Of last year? Yeah. And he was walking by. Not game three of the season, game three of the playoffs

And he was walking by With his scarf And I just tapped him On the shoulder as he was walking by Oh you touched him? Yeah I went, you're doing a great job What? I was drunk

So you tried to talk to him? I was just walking by him It was just a talk between peers To the guy who owns the Leafs How are we just hearing about this? That's not how I said this story. No, you didn't. So you were in the concourse?

Yeah, I was going to meet Mrs. Dangle. I was charging my phone. Hey, Larry! Larry! Hey, Larry! You're doing a great job! And then what did he say? Let me take a selfie with you.

What up, 10 out of 10 and mom? How you doing? What did he say? Nothing. He just continued walking. I'm sure I wasn't the only one. It was like, Larry! He wasn't with, like, security or anything?

No, because I'm alive. So, I don't know who he was walking with. He was just walking by himself? No, just fellow old rich people, yeah. Adam's like, don't give me that disapproving Hermione Granger look. Steve, how are you still alive? I'm listening to the books. Yeah.

How are you still alive? You know why? Because it was the intermission between the third and overtime. So, he was probably in a good mood. Maybe a little bit focused on other things. On the great team that he built. Hey, Lair. Do you think he went up to his private box

Jesse and said What if the riffraff came and touched me No he probably said you know Some fan just said I did a great job and I feel good about that I think that's what he did right I agree That young fellow gave me his appreciation Wow somebody likes me

I'm sure that's what Larry Tanemon said For the last what 40 years He's probably not heard anything good He thought He probably thought he was 10 and bombing But no, he's 10 out of 10 By being in the playoffs He definitely probably was feeling down on himself

No, he wasn't scary Larry that day He was friendly Larry He was a good guy All I know is that he needed Steve's approval I think he did He doesn't own the Leafs You have it, you have Steve's approval Great job

I hope you do that to Lou Lamorello one day Nah And then he just stops dead in his tracks turns around, grabs me by the head, and kisses me. And then I know I'm dead. As a mandolin plays in the background. The kiss is dead. That's all I need. Where were we?

Yeah. Man, that is great. I didn't know that. I thought I told that story. I was feeling good. I also want to read a quote to you. And this has nothing to do with hockey, but I just found this quote hilarious. Alex Rodriguez. Oh, we were talking about Harold Ballard being a piece

of crap alex rodriguez used to date the uh the founder of the genetic testing company 23 and me which basically talks about your genetics and where you're from and that sort of thing i thought about doing that i think that is super weird i am not sending my dna to a stranger get out of here dangle says but like if the government man or like the man man wants your dna like how hard would it be to get it's not hard all they have to do is like find a can of coke yeah crank man um Anyway, 23andMe, here's what I'd like to talk about. What would you like to talk about? Well, Alex Rodriguez dated her, and they did a profile on her in the New York Times.

I guess her mother was talking about the relationship. So Alex is dating a guy named Ann. Ann's mother is talking about the relationships that she had with Alex, and Ann was not a baseball fan. She's like, oh, I'm dating a guy who happens to be a baseball player. Maybe you've heard of him. He's Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees. Like, one of the best baseball players ever.

She's not really a huge baseball fan. Anyway. This is the mom or the person? No, this is the person who's dating Alex Rodriguez. Yeah, so the person who's dating Alex Rodriguez, her is the profile. That's who the profile came down, right? Her mother weighs in, though.

And she's like, I like De'Aaron. He was a very nice man, and her name's Esther. And that's how you know she's a mom. Nobody young is born Esther. There's no young Esthers out there. There's no babies named Esther. Unless it's in a horror film. Yes.

Okay. She said, he came from a Hispanic family. We liked them. They were very sweet. He seemed to be genuinely in love with Anne. But right away, I figured out that this was a mismatch. He had no academic background. We couldn't have an intellectual conversation about anything.

His main interest in life was something that none of us had ever focused on, which is baseball. He could park himself in front of a TV and watch baseball 10 hours a day. He wasn't even sure he wanted to go on the yacht with Anne Because the TV might not be working I wish J-Lo all the luck in the world Yeah J-Lo Good luck with that You know when you make over 300 million dollars in a career

And it's not good enough And you can't go on someone's yacht And have an intellectual conversation Those are real problems I don't know is that dumb or noble You know because We can't connect and isn't that what Love is all about

But that was her mother saying that It wasn't her. Oh, that's right. I know he's very successful, but isn't he boring? Oh, my goodness. I just thought that. I mean, obviously, she's trying to be sweet. And she saw the mismatch, and she was being blatantly honest about it.

I just thought it was funny. It's like, you can't. Sorry, Alex Rodriguez. We know you could also afford a yacht, but you can't have an intellectual conversation. Well, maybe because it's hindsight and they're broken up. It's just a little bit of shade. is casting a little bit of that canopy over the A-Rod.

Could be. Could be. I think someone's upset that her daughter didn't marry A-Rod. Yes. Yeah, but she doesn't need A-Rod. She definitely does not need A-Rod. No, I think she's richer than A-Rod.

She founded a company that's like, here are your genes. 7,000 times over, she's richer than A-Rod. I think she founded something else, too. I'm going to look her name up. I feel like she did something else that was really amazing. She used to own the Blackhawks.

She charged $15 a game to watch it on your friggin' TV that's now in your parents' kitchen. It used to be in the living room. Oh, she was also married to Sergey Brin, who you might know as the founder of Google. Oh. Okay. Hmm. I don't use Google. Then maybe her standards are correct.

I don't use Google. I prefer Dogpile myself. So, her mom was an educator. Her dad was a physics professor, the top physics professor at Stanford University. Her sister is Susan, and she's the Susan... Susan B. Anthony.

Susan Wojcicki, I think is how you say it. It's Polish. CEO of YouTube and former executive of Google. See? And her sister Janet is an anthropologist and an epidemiologist at the University of California, San Francisco. But you've got to be smart to survive in that family.

Is that sister-in-law because she was married to the dude from Google? Hmm? Sister-in-law. No, no, no. No, no. It's her direct sister who is now... Okay, so it's Ann Wojcicki.

I think that's how you say it. Wojcicki, I think. So Ann Wojcicki, founder of 23andMe. Her sister is the CEO of YouTube, and her other sister is an anthropologist and an epidemiologist at University of California, San Francisco. One of the founders of Google, and her direct sister is the CEO of YouTube,

which is Google. That sounds like... No, guys, I don't think that's the case. No, no, no. I think that there is... she was... I think that there was something with that that is different. I think there's a story behind that

and Wikipedia is not showing me. Yada, yada, yada. They're all rich geniuses. Yeah. Like Larry 10 out of 10. How you doing, Larry? They don't need scum like A-Rod. That baseball-playing athlete.

Imagine being an athlete and being the coolest guy in the room your whole life and that a bunch of nerds say, sorry, you can't hang with us on our yacht. It's the nerd dream, isn't it? That's like Hello world's most impressive jock Not enough Hello apex of athletic achievement

Not enough Nope, not impressed That's what happens Shania Twain, that don't impress me much Playing in the background Live because they can afford it They just bring Shania Twain with them To play whenever they're not impressed

They've been waiting for that moment since grade 9 And they finally got got to tell the jocks to go away. Guess what? You take your bomber jacket and shove it. Susan Wojcicki. In September 1998, the same month that

Google was incorporated, its founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin set up office in Wojcicki's garage. Before becoming Google's first marketing manager in 1999, she worked in marketing at Intel and Santa Clara for a management company. Basically, she was with Google

when you used to ask Jeeves. She rented them the garage That they started googling Oh she probably has shares Oh my god I still think that's nepotism Dude come on You're going to piss off so many people

He doesn't mean it Is it nepotism or is it just smart darling Here's a lot of thousand dollar bills They just throw it at you Get Shania Twain to play them off Her career is pretty freaking amazing Both this family You know certain families are like

why is every there's not one problem child there's not one kid in this family that went wrong like this family but she only has

her masters you have to develop an accent like Severus Snape did I mention I'm listening to Harry Potter there's an episode

where Token brings in all the rich families all the black families and the Will Smith kids are like daddy but daddy

it's 20 million dollars even if the tax is daddy it's 12 million dollars you have to do the script daddy that's what that reminds me of We're going to play polo, Daddy.

This is the most YouTube thing to happen ever. So I got to show you this, too. So to get verified on YouTube, you need over 100,000 subscribers. So Susan Wojcicki, if I'm saying that name wrong, I apologize, created a YouTube channel earlier this year. And she's like, my first video and then advice from creators. And the video is centered around a series of clips from content creators on YouTube giving advice to Susan on how to create a great YouTube channel. she has only 29,000 subscribers

and she's verified and I guess YouTubers got mad at that she's a CEO I just find that so funny I do

that is the most YouTube thing to get upset about I here's a fake drama I'm gonna make a 15 minute video about it

walking around my house doing laundry like who cares she's a CEO if I have one subscriber and I'm the CEO of YouTube you better believe

I'm gonna have a verification checkmark if you combine my subscribers with hers it adds up to just over 100,000 so I think we should merge channels and also I should get shares.

But at $19.98, pro-rated shares, so that way you can be a part of the growth and have millions of dollars, billions of dollars. Don't even play baseball. Interesting stuff. I had no idea about any of this. This is really great. She was ranked number 6 on Forbes list of the world's 100 most powerful women. Couldn't even crack the top 5.

And is currently number 41 on the Forbes list of America's self-made women. number 27 on Vanity Fair's new establishment of 2015 and was named number one on the Ad Week 50 list of 2013. Wow. Wow. She's only won on

one of those. But A-Rod, I can understand now. Just a pilot? If you want to have an intellectual conversation with a family like that, there's probably like two people in the world that can keep up with that family, right? Who? Larry Tenenbaum. Larry Tenenbaum.

and Tesla guy Elon Musk Tesla guy for sure Elon Musk yeah anyway Jesus couple things I want to mention here

so the the mail room did you bring the Babsox damn it Steven I'll bring the Babsox so the mail room gave me some packages you were at my house ow

that are over a year old because they lost them oh really so we have some something from Elliot Honda from Honolulu Hawaii what

and it's there's food in here however it's chocolate so it's probably turned white oh no is that still good?

I don't know anyway I thought I would it's just a little airborne it's still good it's chocolate good because it says chocolate on the package

oh it's just a little airborne because if you ship something across borders you gotta specify what it is does anyone have keys or something oh I got my keys

so anyway while I'm opening this there's a couple other notices that we should read because Jesse you open that I'm gonna read some of these letters

oh you also have to do a shout-out. Yes! Kenny. Yes. Go. Do your shout-out. Oh, I'm supposed to do that? Well, let me just bring it up on my phone. So, we had Ken Reed and Dennis Marouk on recently,

and they were pumping Dennis and Ken's new book, Dennis Marouk, The Unforgettable Story of Hockey's 60-Goal Man, and Ken wanted me to say something. dangle do you mind mentioning on the podcast this week that dennis maruk will be signing books

at the bottom line sports bar that's 22 front street west from 4 30 to 7 before the caps verse leafs game so whenever that i think i think that's saturday night that dennis maruk will be signing books at the bottom line sports bar 22 front street west from 4.30 to 7 before the Caps vs. Leafs game if you're going to the game that night, drop by. Well, Ken, I never invented anything, so I can't afford it. Dear Jesse, Adam, and Steve,

my name is Simon from North York and Toronto, and I've been listening to the podcast for the past two years, probably three now, based on when this letter was delivered. I enjoy listening to the podcast as it allows me to escape from all the things happening in my life and focus on the things I love the most.

hockey the idea of remaining uh the idea of the remaining content in this envelope was given to be my mr montreal adam wilde uh this is a sign of my appreciation for how you guys have done uh for for how you guys have done how much you guys have done towards all the listeners whether it's saying something uh and making someone smile or something as simple as making someone laugh when they're having a bad day people like you guys are especially important in this day and age when all you hear about is people who suffer from mental illness and stress and it's amazing to have this podcast to use for an escape

for everyone to use whenever they feel sad or down or just feel like hearing some good hockey talk from that respect I thank you all for helping so many people this is way more than we deserve well year old chocolate I don't know that's a different package

you don't even know how much of an impact you guys have on other people along with this letter you will find three tickets to the Toronto Blue Jays game Saturday May 13th 2016 is it 2016 or 2017? Let me check Seattle Mariners, Petrona Blue Jays May 13th 2017 Let me look at the price I want to pay him back. Is it there? Is it on the ticket? I don't see a price

I also understand that Steve may have tickets to this game as a result of the podcast favorite mrs Dangle buying a flex pack earlier this season and boy did she invest in the wrong season? Luckily, we were able to get rid of most of them. If the Dangles have tickets to this game, I don't know how close Caprice and Mrs. Dangle are, but it's just an idea. Anyway, they're close. Anyways, at this point, I'm just rambling.

So for every Leafs, Senators, Canadians, Flames, Oilers, and maybe, just maybe Canucks fans, Jets fans too, thank you for everything you do. For the podcast listeners and goalies, go. Dude, Simon. Simon, thank you so much. He said, P.S. Adam, you were totally right. Connor McDavid would have made Team Canada during the World Cup.

So to my friends, Jesse and Steve, all I can ask is, what's the matter with you? I feel so bad. Do you not feel bad for saying... I don't. These are nosebleeds. This is a Conor McDavid rookie card. That's a Conor McDavid rookie card? Let me see this.

What? Jesse, look at this. Damn, Simon. That's really nice of you, man. It's for me. We're sorry, Simon. Well, I mean, sometimes it can't be helped. Things get lost. That's what happens.

It was like the second round of the playoffs during this game. We should find a way to get back to Simon Hey Steve, Adam, and Jesse I've enclosed my Leafs game pack for the three of you to sign Because the Leafs are rivals to the Bruins I don't have it in me I wrote you but you still ain't calling

The three of you have without a doubt The best hockey show on earth Well that is a stretch Thank you Doma It's a shame you haven't been picked up on the radio But I guess it's a good thing because fuck censorship I'm a Bruins fan I'm a Bruins fan from Wisconsin

surrounded by Hawks fans obsessed with the Leafs podcast. Strange. I'm glad that you guys keep doing your show even during the offseason. Keep up the great work and hold on to this letter if you like. Regards, Brian. Now you know how it feels to lose Phil Kessel. That was a while ago. And I don't know where's the attached thing

that Brian sent us. I apologize, Brian, but we would gladly send you something back. So that, again, old letters. I just got these packages, so I thought we should read them. Jesse, what do we got over there? Ah Why do we suck? Oh my god. There's so much

Here can I read this one? Yeah, of course you can. It's a long one. Oh my god. There's so much probably expired stuff. Oh What okay, so we got- Hawaiian candy? No, it's a Hawaii strawberry guava naturally favored flavored pancake mix. Oh right because this is from Hawaii you said right? What on earth? Oh, Jesse. Oh, Jesse's trying it Is it okay? Oh boy. We're both. We're all gonna get violently ill. This is Maui onion and garlic macadamias What? That sounds great Can nuts expire? I don't think so

That's a good nut That's a good ass nut. Tastes good Good nut. Did you read the letter? Sorry. Um the letter is a year in review letter, and it's it's his kid and they finally settled and celebrated it's not really signed by him so it's basically one of those Christmas letters and he got a Mario Lemieux bobblehead, oh my god

that's for you Steve? oh it's one of those it says Phil on the bottom from the Honda family so that's his Christmas card from last year oh my god oh no is there any other letters in there?

No, that's... By the way, it looks like he had a great 2016. He had a baby, they settled and found a house, four years of marriage. These figures are made from, uh, made in 1997. Wow. Holy smokes. I feel violently ill.

Oh, pancake mix. I feel violently ill. Pancake mix. Nice. Chocolate macadamia. Now, oh, best buy. Yeah, no. No, this is no good.

Yeah, no. That was really... You can take that. Coffee's probably Yeah it's probably fine For Jesse to take There you go No

Oh I already offered it to you I don't want it I'm good Oh crap But I so I feel bad Like you know So anyway

If you've sent us a note And we haven't got back Sometimes stuff does Get lost in the mail And this is what happens Wait is this open? What's this clip for? Let's do the press conference

This is a terrible radio guys Come on Is it? Come on I don't care about the Put it down The Presser S

D P The Steve Dangle Press Conference Put it down They sent us so many expired things They weren't expired when he sent them Oh my god When Martin plays with Matthews and Marner

Is Martin playing on the first line Or is Matthews playing on the fourth line Martin's playing on the first line I'm going to go with Matthews is playing on the fourth line Because that line Consisted of two guys Who have had regularly played On the fourth line at some point this season

Marner and Martin I want to know when Matthews is going to pick up his game I think he's hit a wall I think Matthews has hit a wall as well next question

yeah I don't know if I should be eating these they're really good though Jesse I think that's the only question are you serious yeah I don't know if I should be eating these

anyway if you send us a mail if you send us a mail and it didn't reach us I apologize guys. We always try to read the mail out. That's our only question for today. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back on Thursday. When do the Leafs play this week?

Tomorrow. Tomorrow. They play tomorrow and then Saturday. See, I don't want to barf in the car on the way home. It's my issue. I'm glad that we know that, Steve. I don't think that that

was relevant to the conversation we were just having. I'm glad I didn't barf on Larry Tenenbaum's sleeve. That's probably good. Yeah, that actually probably worked out in your favor? I think this is the best ending to a show we've ever had. Pretty bad. Pretty bad. Sorry that you waited this long to hear this garbage. It's okay. The ending of the show

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