The Steve Dangle Podcast - Revoked | September 25, 2025

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Starting point is 00:02:10 Providing the beer and the seltzers And also we're doing the longest drive competition On those big HD simulators They got five of them I'm winning And Jesse just smacks the shit out of that golf ball Yeah, I'm getting real ready to throw my back out yeah yeah is that a risk yeah no that's me i don't know when you hit your 30s it's just always

Starting point is 00:02:32 a risk there's a twist what i hear from steve yeah yes yeah yeah steve's like i just had a doctor's appointment and i'll never be the same so okay you want me to talk yeah talk about it so my wrist has been bothering me since the stanley cup final since you were 14 no yeah my back has been shitty that long crept in well it's probably a little carpal tunnel yeah account of you know constantly on my phone and everything but i noticed so okay i jammed it during a beer league game can we talk extensively about my beer league i know you love that yeah please post your stats please yeah point of game steve oh yeah through two games just saying a couple assists one of them was kind of shitty whatever doesn't matter um i jammed it off a

Starting point is 00:03:19 face off and i went oh fuck okay well that hurt whatever and i just thought it would get better did you jam it like on the guy like what do you what do you mean i well i was i was focused on what i was doing so i don't know i think i bent it in this way which fucking hurts to do like going up against like the other guy yeah okay i think that's what i did and i thought it would get better and it never did and i was having to explain how you heard it to the doctor they're like oh so like has this happened before like were there unique circumstances that led up to this yeah the unique circumstance was the day before this hockey game i was doing a stream and uh people donated uh subscriptions or memberships to the channel uh for every push-up

Starting point is 00:04:11 i did and i did i ended up over the course of the stream doing 143 and now your wrist and it was weak and now i literally i cannot do a flat palm push-up for all my work and the doctor told you today it may never work properly yeah she's like yeah yeah i mean you're young so you know you got that in your favor but it may never like even with it will be 100 ever again there you go and i'm like she's like so what do you do for a living i'm like i'm a podcaster man you won't believe how much we hate women on this podcast man let me tell you you're a so i says to the lady doctor i says yeah no it was what are you doing here shouldn't you be at home yeah oh my god thanks for your

Starting point is 00:05:00 opinion dame can i get your husband on the phone no uh absolutely uh hilarious that you're at the stage where you're cooked you're done i'm well i still play jesse i still give give my all give my heart to my team and just lay it on the line like that song someone should make a song about that yeah definitely um that would be a really good song to hear over and over again yeah it's just once or twice a game i'm like fuck and then i just keep going i like it um jesse i was trying to pull up when you did all the push-ups but uh i can't do it i don't remember which game it was i'm pretty sure it was the uh around game six of the stanley cup final i have to i'd have to search for it i have to be prepared for the topic but i wasn't i just remember i did it again the next

Starting point is 00:05:44 stream but at some point during that stream i was like guys i have to do these like on my knuckles i can't do a push-up right now it hurts you know what you shouldn't do and i still can't in september with like no preparation what was last time you did push-ups before that uh i did once a week okay but like how many are you doing like not 143 like shocking you shouldn't 10x the amount of push-ups you're doing no it's not clever no no it wasn't clever hey uh jesse can you bring up the picture i just sent you because i think we need to talk about this and and um it's not about you steve don't oh thank god don't worry and it's not most things are so yeah no bad pictures of you we have many yeah but uh it is not one of those this is a bad picture of a very good

Starting point is 00:06:35 hockey player we'll get there in a second um and i just i i looked at these jerseys before i don't i don't even know if we've done a lot of teams are changing their jerseys sometimes we miss them sometimes it doesn't make the show because there's other shit going on and it's like hey what do you Do you like this jersey or not? It's not the deepest segment we do, right? Got it, got it. But this one, I think it's always good to wait till you see them on the ice.

Starting point is 00:06:58 Like a lot of people hated those new Oilers jerseys. A lot of people hate the new Rangers jerseys. I'm like, well, let's just see them on the ice because I have made that mistake in the past. And I've been like, oh no, I like that on the ice. Like the Ducks Orange County jersey, everybody's like, wait till you see it on the ice. And I'm like, you know what?

Starting point is 00:07:13 I will. And I saw them not just on the ice, I saw them in person and they're terrible. I don't like those jerseys. They're the ugliest jerseys in the league. They're my least favorite jerseys in all of the NHL. Thank you, Jesse. And Jesse actually has an eye for this stuff,

Starting point is 00:07:25 so you have to trust him more than you trust me. Now, tell me what you think of the away jersey for the Carolina Hurricanes. That's Nick Ehlers. I was so-so on this jersey. Remember we... Oh, yeah, we did sort of show it. This looks like shit.

Starting point is 00:07:38 Well, because they're video. This is a terrible... Really? That jersey is fucking terrible. Really? Sorry, yeah. And listen, all respect to Kane's fans who are super kind and super passionate,

Starting point is 00:07:47 always come into this show with you know an open mind whatever this that is a bad look jerseys why you apologize that's a bad look dude jesse that looks like shit you can't wear those you gotta throw those away i think they're okay no those are bad no they're hot garbage they're just fine yeah they tried something which yeah and it failed no i don't think so the thing about mistakes is you should make them quickly and uh that is that it's a it's a bad jersey what do think of the red logo i think the red logo is cool i like the red is the is the striping on the shoulders i think uh i i don't like it and i remember we actually did do a segment on this with the marching band and everything we asked if that was ai yeah and then we got the answer uh and

Starting point is 00:08:29 people were like you guys are fucking stupid but i was i was looking at i was looking at this i'm like man this just there's something very chaotic about the way this looks and what i love about this is chaotic there's chaos to this there's too much going on my adhd is going nuts looking at this jersey i think it's uncomfortable also this is just a bad picture no i said badgers why is it a bad picture like nothing wrong like no in adam's eyes like if we saw them all skating around on it maybe it's fine i think i think it looks like it it belongs in the e like i don't think it's i don't think it's nhl caliber i really don't to me it looks european yeah that's what i like about it I kind of dig it, man.

Starting point is 00:09:10 Man, well, it would have to have a Skoda thing somewhere because they put Skoda on everything. Well, maybe I'll change providers to Skoda. This looks like it could be in the DEL, you know? And I feel like that kind of lends to it. That makes it kind of special. Oh, it looks so much. It looks different than the other jerseys in the league.

Starting point is 00:09:30 And I respect that. I don't think that's inherently a bad thing. And black is a part of their color scheme, so I always give teams that have black as a part of their color scheme a pass. right when they do that if you are adding black in screw you um but i think uh it's a bit of a crutch the canes have always had that so i give it to them i love the carolina logo in the middle like the hurricane logo i think that's cool that's really honestly that should be their full time

Starting point is 00:09:53 it's real good i i agree with you but i think the the the the shoulders and the four or not the forearms the the bicep area does not work doesn't work the gun show yeah the gun show doesn't work this is not gonna this jersey's not long for this league the maybe this isn't even a criticism it's just a a wonder and we're not gonna know until they get on the ice um does the road jersey have too much color like if they play a red team that's gonna be potentially a bit of a thing but other than that man i think it's i think it's pretty tight i like it i'm usually very harsh on these jerseys they're strong dude it's fine it's junk all right listen you know what we're i'm due i want you to uh and i will do the same i would like because i i will be upfront and honest

Starting point is 00:10:40 i have not watched any carolina hurricanes pre-season action i made the mistake of watching the oilers cracking last night holy shit that game was terrible oh did you yeah i did uh i wanted to see who mcdavid was playing with uh that is the only reason i watched that game and boy wait till i read you the stat line oh yeah it's crazy but uh it doesn't tell you anything as we know uh but i i look at that i'm like okay i will wait and watch it on tv and see it one more time but i think the jersey sucks but i'm keeping an open mind again i'm surprised uh now i want to talk about uh something that happened yesterday and i think this is interesting um and it's not you know with this show we always want to have as much fun as we possibly can but this is not the most

Starting point is 00:11:21 fun story so i'm just going to warn you ahead of time um cj mentioned on the cj show today uh it isn't it has not come out yet but we know that he has mentioned it no it's out oh it's out now okay yeah you're listening to this in the afternoon yes well that's what i mean as of this recording has not come up no no that's it's out too oh is it okay it is out in real life i'm gonna retweet it is looking like carter hart is going to sign in vegas okay um mark lazarus went to carolina and went to vegas to talk to the organizations about um what it would be like if carter hart and Michael McLeod signed there. And it's looking like that.

Starting point is 00:11:58 It was looking like Carolina as of yesterday, Frank Cervalli was saying Carter Hart and Michael McLeod had made progress on the Carolina front. So it's interesting now to hear that CJ saying, actually, it might be Carter Hart to Vegas. So Mark Lazarus of The Athletic talked to Rod Brendamore and Brendamore said, well, obviously that's news to me.

Starting point is 00:12:19 Rumors are rumors. Every time there's a player out there, there's they always say that our team's involved i haven't given it much thought but any player that comes in here would be welcomed with open arms uh that's the only reason we're bringing someone into this family you got to treat them like that uh you're talking about a hypothetical but that's how i would approach it so you know good good answer right yeah on the vegas side i'm going to read directly from the athletic article here um mark says on the other side of the country the golden knights took a different tack the team declined to allow head coach bruce

Starting point is 00:12:52 cassidy to speak to the athletic one-on-one after learning of the topic several minutes later before cassidy began a news conference the spokesperson pulled an athletic reporter out of the room and told him to leave the team's practice facility immediately the athletics press pass for that evening's preseason game was revoked so they couldn't even go to the game the spokesperson said the athletic had quote ambushed noah hannifin during the routine locker room media interviews that morning and that the team was not quote comfortable allowing the reporter to cover the game now maybe that's why uh there's no reporters there after game 32 they've all been banned hannifin for his part showed no irritation at the questions and if you go in and i'm not going to

Starting point is 00:13:30 quote hannifin's answer because it's a hockey answer it's not that exciting um uh the point is and this is you know we don't there's not much in terms of a meaty story sometimes i look at things and i'm like well that's a five or six minute topic and i think that's what this is but i do find that extremely interesting that you know if vegas is serious about um hiring these people that's what it is or hiring carter hart they are going to have to face questions like this and wherever you stand on this topic it is a question reporters need to ask and so i find it very interesting that they would boot a reporter and ask some people and everybody that i know that works in this profession has never seen this happen ever never seen it in sometimes in cases

Starting point is 00:14:18 as much as 25 years never seen it uh the one incident i can think of of credentials getting revoked like it needs to be serious and for listen if someone asking about a player is enough for you to revoke their credentials and kick them out of the building maybe you shouldn't sign that player because you got to be ready for you got to be ready to handle those questions you look at the ducks with quinville they've had to answer those questions let me let me use you know uh the the words of many who are confused by this hey they were acquitted what's the problem ask away if there's no problem what's the problem evidently there's a problem yeah now there was another quote uh because noah hannifin wasn't the only player dude i'm so happy i left when all the shit went

Starting point is 00:15:12 down howden's june 26 2018 text message said haha man i when i was leaving duber was smacking this girl's ass so hard like it looked like it hurt so bad oh sorry that was actually vegas gold knights player brett howden uh in a text that for some reason they deemed inadmissible at the trial reunited and it feels so good come on you're getting the team back together they were acquitted what's the big deal let everyone ask questions right well i don't understand that is the thing if you're gonna do this you have to be prepared to answer questions well and it's a genuinely stupid thing that they did uh because i don't think we'd be talking about it today uh jess yeah though i think uh when you remove a reporter you're acknowledging that the questions are

Starting point is 00:16:04 sensitive right they are acknowledging that there is an issue there and they're admitting hey there's going to be media around this signing so them being unprepared for that uh when the rumors are out there and clearly cj has sources that because things are happening and behind the scenes so it's i guess it's not surprising knowing how vegas is operated that they are unprepared for something like this well so here's the question you know we the the famous tyson berry quote on chicklets where he's like you know game 32 no one's going to be in the locker room waiting for you to ask the questions yeah uh this is the kind of thing where i know the pr staff uh is pretty good in vegas they're gonna have to be prepared for and maybe they're just not

Starting point is 00:16:47 prepared this early in the season that's what i was thinking like is it you know other than local coverage they probably are not getting hockey doesn't get a ton of national coverage in the states right it just generally doesn't happen the athletic is not a gotcha outlet they are pretty good journalists well and they're not some little podunk outlet either no but you don't want to kick sdbn out there's outlets that are there and they have a purpose and they serve to to get get it get give me one quote give me that crazy quote you see it a lot in politics you see it sometimes in sports and i'm looking at this and i'm going i don't know that you can ask that's not a hard question to to ask it's pretty relevant and noah hannifin in the article had no obvious

Starting point is 00:17:33 qualms with the question no now maybe afterward he went to one of the pr staff and he said hey you know get this guy out of here or whatever but based on what right what's it based on or I didn't like that question or here's the thing I didn't like that question and that here's how it's supposed to work if a reporter asks a question and the player doesn't like it the player then goes to the PR staff unless the PR staff witnessed it themselves which is often the case but the player says hey that made me uncomfortable or I didn't like that or that guy's an asshole then the pr staff has a conversation with you and or your superior yep and that's how you handle it revoking the credential immediately is insane like jesse do

Starting point is 00:18:26 i have that mostly right yeah you're the guy who's at the games all the time so yeah yeah i feel like i'm like isn't that right jesse yeah no by by doing this like they acknowledge that there was a problem i i if they had just handled this like i think any other organization would where the player gives an answer like hannifin did and then the reporter goes to the game afterwards maybe they ask another player a question this isn't a story yeah lazarus would have would have written his article that would have had a couple quotes in theirs from a couple vegas players and we would have all read it and we would have talked about it maybe in the the context of carter hart going there but it wouldn't been a story of them trying to shut down journalism and they've created this

Starting point is 00:19:12 media storm themselves so adam when you're like in game 32 i know the pr staff's good i don't know their pr staff i don't know that they are i think they do a good job of projecting good you know i don't know that like i what i've seen now from the one moment where there's heightened pressure on vegas is them panicking in a way where they've made this a bigger deal through their own action They made it a story. They've made a story, and I feel like that's the opposite of what you should be doing if you're the PR staff. If you're trying to protect your players here, you shouldn't be causing more of a media storm and having a Toronto podcast talk about this. Is no one picking up on the theme of trying to silence people and drawing more attention to the things that they say?

Starting point is 00:19:57 That's exactly it. No one? All right, let's do it again. Let's keep doing it. So I don't know if that market right now is equipped to handle media like the media scrutiny you would have in a place like this. Yeah. And it's maybe not. And I feel like we all need to be honest and acknowledge that it is different if you were to have the player sign in Toronto versus Vegas.

Starting point is 00:20:19 They think they are on this quiet little. Tyson Berry said it out loud. Yeah. And the players know it. And we've heard it from a million of the Florida players. But like when you go to these markets, they think like, OK, we can go there and hide. But when you're bringing in these players from the Hockey Canada trial, it's going to cause more media to be there. And you're clearly not equipped to handle that right now.

Starting point is 00:20:40 And you need to get up to the bar to handle these players coming in. Like, you guys are a championship caliber franchise. This is embarrassing. You just landed a huge superstar this summer, too. People are going to be paying attention to you. It's embarrassing stuff. So as I understand it, they asked Noah Hannafin a question and requested Bruce Cassidy and the team declined, which is their prerogative. That's OK.

Starting point is 00:21:08 That's OK. Then you're like doing your regular PR thing of shielding in an appropriate way. Like you can't earn one-on-one interviews with head coaches just in the preseason. I don't think Mark Lazarus should expect, or whoever the reporter was that they sent for his report, to go down there and get a one-on-one with the head coach in the middle of training camp. That shouldn't be an expectation. But you shouldn't then also kick out the journalist. Remove them from the building. Can't go to the game.

Starting point is 00:21:39 Yeah, they can't go to the game? Yeah. Can't watch the game, ask about the game. And this is normally, this is what you do. like if you're uncomfortable with it PR staff you go to that reporter and you go hey listen like we're not gonna our guys are not gonna answer any questions on players that have that are not here that have not signed here honestly and that's all you have to do that's not unreasonable at all yeah like Carter Hart is not a member of the Vegas Golden Knights at the time we're recording

Starting point is 00:22:07 this yeah and it will be in about seven days yeah it's not unreasonable in the slightest to be like uh we don't make it a habit of talking about players who are not currently members of the vegas golden knights yeah and a good pr member wouldn't even like tell they wouldn't go to the journalists and say that and say they're not going to answer questions on that they would prep the players yeah they'll prep the players on the answer that it's like hey i don't want to talk about a player who's not signed then they all just kind of have that line and they can say that and they everybody moves on well i've heard of things where like uh a reporter will ask the team for comments and the team goes welp cat's out of the bag and then the team gets ahead of it and releases

Starting point is 00:22:49 a statement yeah and this i'm this isn't even for something even kind of like this but someone was asked you knew that they were asked i don't think it would have taken hours and hours to craft a reasonable i think we just did it hey like he's not on the golden knights our players don't talk about players who aren't on the golden knights how would how would these players be received how would any player be received yeah like how would what you could i think it's a legitimate question but if you don't want to be asked the question i think there's easy ways to get around that and they couldn't even bring themselves to do that the they just went straight to uh heavy handed authoritarianism which is insane and a poor precedent for the the beginning of the season i

Starting point is 00:23:45 wonder what the professional writers association will say because i remember during covid i think frank's the head of it um they got all they got pissed with the with the the teams because after covid they're like well you're not gonna allow you in the dressing room because we don't want anyone getting sick and and the writers association took that as a basically like oh you're just never gonna let us back in which you know they figured out i would love to know what they're gonna do about this because this is this is something where you do as an organization probably need to kind of step in and go this is you know what are we doing here and they probably are having that con yeah somebody somebody there needs to ask some questions on what when it went

Starting point is 00:24:21 down here and i wonder if there's gonna be some sort of follow-up story from either lazarus or somebody at the New York Times you know just to fill us in on what the Vegas Golden Knights are thinking doing well I here's what I think happens here guys and you tell me if I'm crazy I think what happens is that the first off he looks like Carter Hart's gonna sign there as of this morning things can always change but that's what it looks like they are probably having a meeting this morning going okay are we gonna what's the messaging here and they're gonna have to offer up some sort of answer for the athletic they're gonna have to how they're gonna have to they're gonna have to answer these questions eventually weren't they ready for this well maybe this has

Starting point is 00:25:05 been a rumor for weeks that can you know what here's what i will give the pr staff because because it's possible that the front office is just not communicating with them which pr staffs have to deal with all the time it's because they don't want it getting out and so what happens is you know these are very sensitive negotiations it's a very sensitive issue So maybe the general manager erred and left the PR staff to scramble. And should the PR staff in a perfect world be prepared? Yes. But mistakes happen.

Starting point is 00:25:32 The removing, when mistakes happen, removing a reporter is an overreaction to it and therefore makes it a story. And that is why you must communicate within an organization. And I wonder, I don't know, but I wonder if that decision comes from above them. So I think it was just probably, from what I understand, the general managing staff there has a way that they do things and you're not going to tell them otherwise and they won a cup. So it's hard to tell them otherwise. So I think that's probably what's happening here.

Starting point is 00:26:11 We've never done this before. Why would we start now? Well, it's a different story now. By the way, whenever anyone mentions Toronto media or Canadian media, if you just replace it with people who talk about hockey you start to sound like an asshole yeah like oh you know man this only happens with people who talk about hockey the chicago media mark is from chicago yeah it was mark lazarus he covers the blackhawks and mark's a really intimidating guy another one oh fuck he's terrifying he's that's the i went to the doctor for my other uh hand because he

Starting point is 00:26:41 cracked it when i shook it uh into a fine powder by the way it's all titanium we got a message from james myrtle who said he had to look up slender man so uh he's like i was so happy what slender man was uh i got back to him i feel like the like this is the streisand effect in pr it's when you try and censor information it actually makes it a bigger deal and that's what is going on here in vegas and i feel like that should be pr 101 and these people should be able to handle this but like the the moving forward i'm curious about how the fans are going to react to this in vegas and if it's going to be as big as a big of a deal as it's becoming in carolina as the story's kind of unfolding with the hurricanes potentially signing one of the

Starting point is 00:27:26 players because they've made a petition and uh to cancel season tickets if the how many how many people have signed that do we know uh office sports had 13 or 1400 and that was in the lazarus article yeah so like there's there's clearly a a noise coming from the fan base in carolina i wonder if we're going to see a similar thing with the fans in vegas and i'm just curious on what the fans's reaction is because that's what it comes down to right the people who care about this team if there's actually a revenue drop in season tickets like there are threatens that's a that's a major thing in carolina we'll see a lot of people i you know what i i uh um i am curious about that too jesse every state every region has its own you know ways on things i thought it was

Starting point is 00:28:08 interesting that any nhl story would make front office sports because rarely does front office sports which talks about sports business cover the nhl because the business dealings are just so much smaller anytime you send the fos i'm like i doubt this is a good story yeah um so that yeah that's interesting anyway we'll see uh hey we'll see next week how vegas handles this if carter hart in fact signs there uh because they're gonna have to so we'll see what happens sometimes life throws your curveballs and you don't have time to get to them and that's where task rabbit comes in and i think you should check this out because here's the deal one of the things one of the weird quirks about my condo building is that they use my floor to rappel down and clean all the

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Starting point is 00:30:22 Jim Nill Dallas Stars General Manager Jim Nill announced today that Captain Jamie Ben will undergo surgery for

Starting point is 00:30:28 collapsed lung he was diagnosed with the injury late in the third period of Tuesday's preseason game against Minnesota he's expected to

Starting point is 00:30:35 make a full recovery and will be reevaluated in four weeks so that must have been you know hockey man

Starting point is 00:30:42 it's not the first collapsed lung we've seen so it's Patrice Bergeron Bergeron is the only one I can think of

Starting point is 00:30:50 I think there have been others i can't think of any offhand but there have been others so wow curious about i mean it's for for dallas that sucks but um i i don't even know what i don't actually know what you have to go through like time i have a collapsed lung zero how do you rehab a collapsed lung revisiting in four weeks is uh tough because that means we're gonna just see where you are in four weeks yeah and it's uh you know for him um he had a really good year last year and his contract is really bonus laden and i think a lot of it's tied to games played oh shit you know he's 37 right so he's got one of those

Starting point is 00:31:24 bonus deals so this kind of just seems like just bad luck that's real bad yeah bummer how so how did that happen i don't know i don't know again i don't think it was even like a major feature of the game like like in terms of the game he was playing like something maybe happened before the game and then was exactly no no it was in the third period against minnesota they say it's a statement right but it wasn't like he was carded i don't think he was carded off the ice like i don't i don't remember seeing anything on that and if he was it's pre-season right nobody's paying attention jesus so and the collapsed lung is when air gets in between your lungs and your chest so like because your lungs there's like a space in between that yes so like if if air is getting

Starting point is 00:32:02 in there then it's causing pressure on your lungs and then you need surgery to fix it in most cases that sounds extremely painful yeah and not great yeah and but i don't know it's something that uh he should be able to make a full recovery from which is good good yeah you know it doesn't sound like it's gonna be career threatening or anything like that but at that age you're always concerned about like injuries that'll keep you out months yeah i mean you might have a wrist that never worked properly at 37 right yeah so from doing too many push-ups jamie ben's in hospital for a freaking collapsed lung you're like my wrist might never work he might have just got because so what were you doing same age so i was doing a sorry jesse i was doing a stream and they dared

Starting point is 00:32:44 me to do a bunch of push-ups what a fucking idiot you know stupid i had to explain that to a medical professional yeah he might have just got hit real hard in the chest and something like that yeah you know oh yeah who knows who knows who knows um okay so uh even uh even mark specter called last night's uh oilers cracking game a snooze fest it was it was boring but i just thought it would be funny to see i want to watch the game um and you know thankfully i could in 720 crisp 720p on the sportsnet app um conor mcdavid leon dry sidle and trent frederick how did they do and i will tell you this conor mcdavid looked like conor mcdavid and you would expect it to be easier for him to look like conor mcdavid in a preseason game yes uh he still got the speed

Starting point is 00:33:30 still amazing whatever um after 60 minutes the mcdavid line had a combined four shots on goal zero points and a minus nine overall what i mean what was the score of the game i don't even know because the score doesn't matter but i just minus nine i mean combined plus minus isn't the thing oh wait i'm an idiot so that's minus three yeah uh it was four to one but most of the goals the goals happened against the top line oh that's surprising it's not is it concerning no it's not concerning to me what are you talking about that's concerning what if mcdavid's done what if he's cooked what if it's over is he cooked is he chopped is connor mcdavid you hurt your eyeballs by watching that game adam that's glorified practice i know i don't know why

Starting point is 00:34:13 you'd tune in for you know for that i i thought it was better than watching whatever the jays are fucking doing right now and i i just was like i was just like i we talked so much about connor increasing liquor sales is what the jays are doing we talked so much about connor this month i was like i gotta see what they put out there i want to see what it looks like i know it's the first preseason game he's played but like i wanted to see it what highlights are for people yeah preseason highlights jesse it's a highlights league um oh geez uh pod colson didn't play didn't play he um his father passed father passed away which is such a shame he just signed that extension found a home in edmonton like that that like you know really really worked

Starting point is 00:34:51 out for him and then his father passes like that so that's really really tough um yeah so anyway no timeline in his return but i would imagine it you know it's like max domey right like they usually with funerals these guys are crazy enough that it's like okay next day let's get back to the rink he's going all the way back to russia yeah yeah that's a tough one um by the way i i don't i can't figure out the player but as an aside there is somebody's tiktoks who keeps coming up who is a girlfriend of a player that a canadian guy that signed in vladivostok uh and i keep watching her tiktoks it's like what's the day like in vladivostok and i just thought oh that's interesting you guys i'm gonna send it to you guys just check it out it's that's a more um the

Starting point is 00:35:30 well it's the amore tigers i think is it i feel like sometimes or no i don't know uh i feel like sometimes we have a skewed view of like what daily life might be in russia and like i'm like looking at the cafe she's going to i'm like that looks suspiciously like cafes in north america um political stuff aside now admiral sorry not a more admiral vladivostok yeah i want to talk about this and this is leaf related true living did some uh media avails uh and he's talked about yeah they're looking at top six options but what does that cost but i you know we've talked about that what i want to talk about a little bit more is morgan riley uh it's interesting because we have talked about the fact that brad and morgan actually sat down at the end of the season and

Starting point is 00:36:15 and you know that's not new players and general managers do that every year yeah but this one seems to be very different uh josh chloe did a uh an article on it in the athletic and um basically um both brad and morgan said this needs to go better this was the worst year of your career i mean it had to there were two options we can trade you and to which he said no you cannot uh or you just simply need to be better the easier one is actually just be better uh riley says you're honest with him and he's honest with you and you can either keep it there or go easy on yourself and just go to the golf course uh i told him some things about who i am who i think i am and who i want to be and how i want to play in my mind if you do that um to a person that you trust

Starting point is 00:37:10 and like working with you have to hold yourself accountable i can't tell tree all these things and then slack off, I'd be a little foolish. I was disappointed with the way last season went, so I took it upon myself to answer the bell. I've had to come to terms with the fact that I was disappointed in myself and the fact that it's a hard thing to admit sometimes for a grownup,

Starting point is 00:37:30 and there's not a lot of examples in my life where I've really felt that, and he went on to mention that, as we suspected, and this happens to every new parent, having to get around is harder than you think. It changes your life, your whole life, and Riley says he credits the conversation with true true living for with waking up waking him up and he challenged himself um to to do better so one of the things that

Starting point is 00:37:54 they talk about in this is that Morgan had Instagram and he deleted it before they went on a vacation like he and his wife and son and he's just not having it back he wants to be intentional all about this season and you and you laugh oh he deleted Instagram now he's but you guys you know how much scrolling takes up our time right i mean and he was at oh so it's not about posting it's about consumption consumption how much time is he spending on it even smarter honestly and he said uh uh that was just one thing but you know it's i think part of a bigger picture is is he was there basically every day this summer at the training facility lost weight trained very very hard so i'm i'm curious the first question i had was for jesse how does he

Starting point is 00:38:38 look it looks good yeah um he was down six pounds i think we talked about that and he was asked about being down six pounds and didn't want to talk about it oh uh masters asked him like hey so we saw you're down six pounds and he's like and then he was like kind of shaking his head he's like oh am i barking up the wrong tree so he didn't he doesn't want to talk about these things publicly i assume like the article is very good and what's going on behind the scenes and i think like more important to him than the weight and the change in diet and the sleep routine is the part where he talks about how he's changed the psychology of how he looks at the game and the mental side of things because they he cloaky wrote writes that he's been training he's been

Starting point is 00:39:20 playing hockey and training since he was a teenager right you know how to do this thing you know the game of hockey but what got lost along the way was uh the mental side of the game So he's devoted more time to the hockey psychology part of it. And I think that's going to really help Morgan because last year he struggled from an on-ice perspective. And you get lost in yourself when you're so you know how to play hockey, but you can't kind of do it. And it's in there. He just kind of needs to figure out the mental side and how to get it out of him himself. So dedicating three months to just learning, re-loving the game and relearning it and devoting himself to how the coach now wants him to play.

Starting point is 00:40:02 i think it's going to be spectacular for his game it's got to be such a challenge to have to think so hard about something that used to come naturally you know like i i have a lot of time for morgan riley as a guy um like i i have faith in him to to get through this and like physically people forget he's kind of a beast like he doesn't exactly play the most intimidating game so you might not think of him that way but like this is a guy who do you remember those videos of when he was younger of him clearing six foot like high jump no i don't play flat foot like he he was a he was a monster yes you remember this i can honestly say i've never seen that video or even know it exists it's true but that's why we have you steve yeah yeah that's why you're here

Starting point is 00:40:54 yeah no i remember those videos of uh athletes should post more random videos of them just accomplishing freakish things off the ice have you seen the steven stamkos deadlift video worth 700 pounds or something yes yeah insane one of the things like there was a player who was the 20th overall pick which is a pretty high pick or i think he was around 20th and that's fine but it helped make him a noteworthy prospect that he could flat-footed jump out of a pool That's crazy. It's Chris Kreider. Chris Kreider could jump out of a pool.

Starting point is 00:41:28 Chris Kreider could jump out of a pool when I'm pretty sure he was like a rookie in the NHL or a sophomore, maybe even still in the U.S. program. And, yeah, he's incredible at hockey. He's had this great career. But at the beginning of his career, that was sort of, oh, let me pay a little bit more attention to Chris Kreider. Morgan Rielly can leap like a freaking cat. There was this highlight from very early in his career. pucks coming above his head at the blue line and you know those pictures of a cat and like their spine just elongates like a slinky yeah he did that as like he's a pretty beefy boy um as a as

Starting point is 00:42:04 a physical specimen like morgan riley's pretty gronk um so i'm not surprised that the challenge was was mental um he's battled injuries throughout his career it doesn't really sound like that was the case last year it was a systems issue yeah and so different style i know a lot of people are done with them and they want them gone and everything i was the guy saying that but if he plays differently this year i'll be happy with it you weren't alone at all and i'm i'm on your side in that if he does that again they're not going anywhere like he can refuse a trade forever but if he continues to play like that the leafs are not winning it was it was the worst season of morgan riley's career from an on ice perspective he was lost out there and i thought his playoff

Starting point is 00:42:52 performance was very poor especially in the game seven yeah where he was a large part of the whole team was the reason they lost i'm not gonna hang it on riley but he was a big part of the team that lost that game and lost that game completely yeah he he had a whole bunch of defensiveness yeah like he wasn't he wasn't good solid he wasn't solid in that game and i don't think he was solid during the playoff run but it seems through this that he's acknowledged that yeah and he's come to the conclusion that he needs to be better at hockey like he needs to be a better hockey player and at 31 rededicating himself to the nuances of the game is great to see yes now let's see it translate to a full season on the nhl ice so hopefully you can do that this is part of why

Starting point is 00:43:34 uh when they first were talking about like ideas for how the leafs can get better they're like oh they could trade Brandon Carlo and I was like no what the why no you just spent a lot to get him first of all a first and bloody Fraser Minton but like this guy because he's under contract is Morgan Riley's d partner for the next few years while McCabe plays with Tanev like their whole top four is just well and and Morgan Riley's numbers instantly got better once Carlo showed up which is such a credit to Carlo and the type of game he plays because Riley played most of the season with like philip myers with who i like but what why are they playing together yeah top four role what happened there on purpose yeah you know what i mean like and i know there's ways of

Starting point is 00:44:21 finagling that and special teams and whatever but i i don't think anyone's in the right position to succeed well i think what they how they saw it was when they signed oel it's going to be riley tana mccabe oel that's what we all thought and then riley was like what if i just put the two defensive guys together and they could shut anybody down riley played with tana for like five seconds yeah yeah i guess it didn't work whatever it was so but it works with carlo they've got a strong defensive core which again is first time i can say that in 25 years um i'm curious about what a training camp and full season of morgan riley and brennan carlo looks like because you know when when jake mccabe showed up i loved him instantly but he had some rocky

Starting point is 00:45:04 moments in those in the tampa series and in the florida series in 23 he didn't have the best start the next year and also they were like like morgan riley was playing out of his mind in those series but then he got injured and so like jake mccabe's running the power play which isn't fair uh that's that's on kyle dubas um when i look at the the way that jake mccabe played the next year and last year uh with full training camps and being a part of the system and that's two different head coaches he was instantly like a go-to guy on defense for both coaches i didn't know he was this good well exactly and and and so you know when people are hard on scott lotten when people were hard on brennan carlo for some reason i thought carlo was awesome yeah people were weird

Starting point is 00:45:48 about some of the pickups last year carlo's carlo's really good and if you're listening to somebody who says he's not and didn't add to the team to stop listening to them carlo wasn't good the first couple weeks he was a leaf he struggled uh to get comfortable yeah with the leafs and he didn't have a first i want to say like 10 games and then eventually he settled in i think there was concern after acquiring him because you paid such a high price and he's not fitting in but then afterwards he definitely settled into his role the the the team bears the brunt of uh the responsibility for how neurotic this fan base is um we would not be this way if they didn't keep losing but i will say there was a disproportionate amount of leaf fans who evidently 2025 was their

Starting point is 00:46:39 first trade deadline and it was weird why isn't this guy amazing immediately i guess that's rarely how it ever works not everyone's owen nolan stop yeah and owen nolan was hurt yep they are they acquired a hurt guy then he got two goals in his first game and guess what we're winning the cup no you didn't give it a sec that's all i'm saying yeah yeah i i'm that's why i'm excited for a lot and i'm excited for carlo i'm excited for what morgan riley can be with brandon carlo because as we said last year going into the playoffs it's the best defense partner he's ever had easily so and i mean you could split them up no if you really need to if you really needed to i guess but let's not do that um well i mean okay put him back with myers no frig no all i'm saying

Starting point is 00:47:32 sorry the reason I say that is if Riley is truly better this season um why not at least grant yourself the ability to revisit him in Tanev if you need to what right now there's absolutely no need to what is the what is the purpose of that because the Tanev McCabe line it's like they're they're matching that against the best players like if you're going up against McDavid Crosby mckinnon whatever you want those guys out there as much as possible what is the riley carlo thing what is that so when when when you know and and i am i'm asking you both this question when berube puts them out there what is what is his desire from those two the best d partner riley has had in terms of results i would say was luke shen yeah and he just needs a stay-at-home guy

Starting point is 00:48:25 right so not every pair is is necessarily this is the shutdown pair this is the offense pair whatever like a part of i mean kel mccarr is kel mccarr but it helps that he has devante's back there you know what i mean it's not quite like carl cinema thought um but it's i think people forget how gifted of an offensive player morgan riley is like when we have the conversation about who needs to replace mitch marner's offense honestly i think a lot of it falls on riley and for him to have i think it was 40 plus points last year and we're all pretty unanimous and it was his worst year of his career i mean that shows you what he's capable of right so carlo needs to be a rock back there but riley also can't just be running around it's got to be

Starting point is 00:49:20 smart passes up the ice as of 17 18 his points are as follows 52 72 27 because he played a short amount of games in 27 and 47 games 35 and 55 68 and 82 41 58 and 41 that's an incredibly that's a really good career yeah so there's the give and take of toronto is like okay he hasn't accomplished anything right hasn't been to a conference final even you know i don't know where he's ever finished in norris voting for a defenseman that's a crazy career and puts up good points in the playoffs too yes that's he's had a very very good career for a defenseman so far but you got to do other things to get better results jesse are you seeing a are you are you like here's my question with with them their deployment are they going to be with the first

Starting point is 00:50:17 line or are they is that a Tanev McCabe thing and you have Morgan Riley feeding to a William Nylander the Riley Carlo pairing yeah go with the second line yeah where do you think they they because I like with defense pairing we know the top four but they have different roles so like defense one defense two I'm not like really worried about like where they rank yeah but where where do you see him on a five on five obviously in the play in the in the power play he's going to be running it totally like I don't know if if Berube is too particular with which defense pair is playing with which forward group like I assume the McCabe Tanev pairing is going to start uh the games like actually probably for the first one you'll probably have Riley out there just for

Starting point is 00:50:59 the first game you know with the a on his on his chest you know you probably want him that pair out there with the first line with Matthews and all that just for the thematics of it all but Berube kind of asked the same thing out of all of his players on the ice you know from from the forward group to the defense and just play within your structure stick to the system play low event hockey and then capitalize on the mistakes and Riley I think did a poor job at capitalizing on the mistakes and knowing when he had to play offensively so if this year they're all going out there all three pairs and they're just staying within their system playing their structure like I think you'll be happy deploying whichever pair against whichever line combination to go with

Starting point is 00:51:38 what i was saying about riley's career uh nine defensemen nine uh have 500 or more points since morgan riley entered the nhl and he's one of them he's eighth the group is eric carlson and victor headman roman yosi brent burns john carlson chris letang alex petrangelo morgan riley drew dowdy It's a pretty good group. It's a pretty good group. Anyone want to take a stab at who is 10th, landed at 495 points, just retired? Just retired? Just retired.

Starting point is 00:52:17 There's your clue. You actually already mentioned him on the show. Oh, I have no idea. Tyson Berry. Oh, okay. All right. Good for him. Okay.

Starting point is 00:52:26 So there's more to it than just points. Yeah, 100%. You know, but that's a lot. two and five Canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on September 19th join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca uh just a quick quick updates on some of these guys some

Starting point is 00:53:04 of the bigger names that are negotiating contract extensions or potentially could be ufas next year adrian kempe has been one to watch in los angeles because um it's it's come out that it's like well he's going to get double digits in the millions and people were like adrian kempe and then you look at his stat line you're like oh yeah for sure man uh and you know how i i'm not surprised by it but i think the number did surprise a lot of people because he's very quietly amazing well you know how uh someone will be they'll be like oh this guy's underrated but they'll say it for like five years which means no they're not on account of you've been calling you say that every time i know yeah you can't yeah but you can be under this might be someone's first show i don't

Starting point is 00:53:49 I disagree with you on that. You can be underrated for five years. Well, I think Kempe actually has been. Yeah, I think he has. Because when you talk about LA, you talk about, you know, Kopitar and Doughty first. Or you did for the last decade. Yeah. The first guy with this was Louis Erickson.

Starting point is 00:54:03 Like, it was like three or four straight years. He's the most underrated player in the league. I'm like, can you stop? No, he isn't. And then Barkov. And then, oh my God! Yeah. That's another reason I like Riley.

Starting point is 00:54:13 I asked him who's the most underrated player in the league. And he just goes, well, I assume everyone so far has said Barkov. and I was just like thank you yes so who is it actually and he went Zach Hyman oh I love that and then Hyman went off um they're saying that uh Adrian Kempe could be in line for a William Nylander 11 and a half million dollar deal wow that that I mean I saw I mean that is a huge number but you look at his numbers guys got you know he had 73 points in 81 games last year 35 38 goals and assists um those are in line with his career numbers he's two years removed from a 41 goal year it's hard to hard to deny and you know the thing is with Kempe is that he played five or six

Starting point is 00:55:01 years in LA only getting 14 or 15 goals a year and then all of a sudden bang here's 35 41 28 35 Nylander signed his deal. Was that not? I think it was January 2024. I don't remember. He signed it a couple seasons ago because it was a little after the Sweden thing. Yeah. Yep.

Starting point is 00:55:25 So 11 and a half adjust for inflation. Eh? Wow. That's man. if you have guys under team control right now your team has such a preposterous advantage because everyone who needs a new deal is getting friggin ridiculous money yep two years ago 11 and a half for Kempe was unimaginable and now it might just be downright reasonable Alex Tuck in this one stuck out to me so I started with Kempe guys because what do you think Alex Tuck's

Starting point is 00:56:00 worth what do you have last season i i know it wasn't it was a bit of a struggle at times he's he had 67 points in 82 games 36 goals 36 goals two years ago 36 goals yeah he did all right all right uh so he got there he had 79 he had 79 points uh two years ago that's the standard i was thinking of yeah yeah um but he's a he's a 60 70 point guy i think guys like that these days are probably getting but he's kind of older too alex tuck is i'd say seven or nine seven or eight mil jesse any thoughts yeah in and around that number he's the same age as kempe oh damn yeah he's not older i thought he was no so i i think like i'd be happy with an eight million dollar contract i think the sabers would too because what pierre lebrun says i would imagine tucks

Starting point is 00:56:51 camp sees a double digit a holy shit as realistic in this world and there's probably not a lot of motivation to be the first of these pending ufas to sign alex tuck no that's too much money but damn is it buffalo too much money yes he's from buffalo wants to stay there oh he's from syracuse okay so give me not a give me a discount so make me pay that 10 million dollars you know the conversation that's been had about kaprizov and he's more important to the wild than he would be to any other team could you make a similar argument about tuck obviously he's not kaprizov i know that but could you make that argument i think you can make that argument i don't think you should be paying a guy above his value that much no does buffalo have to pay a premium no matter what and

Starting point is 00:57:42 that's just a reality of running the buffalo sabers right now well they they have like buffalo has so many issues beyond like keeping the guys like i think from an organizational standpoint from kevin adams well from the ownership down like the way they're running things isn't gonna produce success like i'm more concerned about just hey are what if you sign alex tuck what does the rest of the roster look like will this ever be a winning team because right now having him and everything around it isn't producing success so i don't care that you want to keep him at 10 million dollars because i don't trust the rest of the roster and this team ever win any games the way it's currently constructed yeah well you know what it does

Starting point is 00:58:20 sort of create too if you do sign him to money like that um by the way tage thompson's got to be kicking himself for signing that contract uh 7.142 how are you robbing robbing tage thompson every day he lives and breathes and you're still this bad um it sets up a core four core five situation for buffalo because i know that the cap is going up darling's at 8 11 owen power is already at 8 3 then you'd have tuck potentially at nine and a half ten josh norris at almost eight million tage thompson at 7.1 so it's not a core four it's core five right and it would be an expensive one and let's not forget that they are paying upl a pretty good number actually 475 but you create It's like, oh, actually, the cap actually disappears pretty quickly when you have that.

Starting point is 00:59:13 Well, and all of these kids, like Jack Quinn and Devin Levi and... Well, Devin Levi's got to prove it. No, I know, but at some point, he's going to, or you're screwed again. Yeah. And all these kids are going to get paid, and you turn the screws to Paterka. Yeah. That trade better work out. That's an expensive team.

Starting point is 00:59:37 is tucker ufa at the end of this yes he is and give buffalo credit they've been good at locking up the guys that are there they really should keep that player yep i know you could get a ransom for him he belongs in buffalo you should be able to keep that player and if you can't i i think you really need to reconsider if if if your ownership group should be in the hockey business something uh something to keep in mind too with buffalo is is the big get in the uh in the peterka trade was michael kesselring uh-huh he makes 1.4 great great right shot defense 25 tough guy big guy uh that cap's going up and he is an rfa next year so he's a right shot 25 year

Starting point is 01:00:23 old at least he's an rfa for a year yeah and then he's going to be a ufa the following so you're trying to buy ufa years that's going to get expensive yeah but what so what is the motivation to keep the team together like you're saying they're good at locking up their young talent but none of it's been successful i know i know you're right we need tuck back for what to lose again well i mean for god's sakes you got to be relevant like the the idea which is saying is that they're team they're locking up an irrelevant team is irrelevant here's here's how i think they're looking at the team who are our good players who are players who we know are good They're not good sabers.

Starting point is 01:01:03 They're just good no matter what team you put them on. Tade Thompson, he's a great player. All right, we want to keep him. Alex Tuck, he's a great player. We want to keep him. Rasmus Dahlin is great. Then there's the guys who are kids, and you build around those vets, and you hope they grow.

Starting point is 01:01:20 And maybe the theory is we keep our good vets. The young guys grow into it. Our team improves from within. maybe we're able to sign a couple guys because our you know we're relevant again and all of a sudden we can compete just like everyone else you just built the buffalo sabers are not a good team like that doesn't make any sense to me here's they have talent what makes imagination so hard i know imagination is so hard they have the wrong coach i'm just gonna straight up say they have the wrong everything they have the wrong that coach is not imagination

Starting point is 01:01:56 is hard with the sabers because with everyone like whenever we talk about vegas or whenever we talk about florida or you know it doesn't always have to be a cup contending team like uh the rangers had a bad year last year but anytime a free agent's name comes up we're like well they could be in on them and maybe it's a city thing maybe it's a money thing maybe it's a reputation for the organization thing whatever it is those teams always have a chance to get somebody yep and the sabers along with a few other teams they don't have that same chance no they don't they're not getting them no there's so many man whoever in the columbus front office keeps leaking that they made a bigger offer to someone should stop because it just

Starting point is 01:02:51 makes it seem like no one wants to friggin sign there yeah yeah well we offer this guy 12 13 5th 14 15 oh and they still said no you must stink and they don't right there's there's a few teams that bear this cross and Buffalo's chief among them yeah it's interesting I are we haven't done our

Starting point is 01:03:12 season preview for them yet but I'm looking at this Russia I'm going man this team should be better shouldn't they should they two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca um anyway let's move on to marty niches uh there have been

Starting point is 01:03:55 reports circulating that he has turned down multiple contract extension offers pierre lebrun says my sense is that they haven't gotten to the nitty-gritty of exchanging offers and counter offers but there are and i will say this there are rumors that marty niches does not want to be there alex tuck for martin niches here we go cook with go to another place where marty niches doesn't want to stay you never know maybe he's weird i do have to ask the question if he does not resign there first off joe sackick you should have just signed miko ranton and second uh marty niches are you gonna be happy anywhere i mean on two very good teams too yeah like i two different organizations two different places that's assuming that what we're hearing is right but i heard

Starting point is 01:04:40 enough stink about it to feel like yeah do you want to hear from marty niches who said that uh he doesn't know where this came from of course he doesn't ask me about it i don't really know where is that coming from uh i think it's a great place here uh one of the best in the hl to be honest uh for living and uh yeah i don't know where that came from yeah shout out uh dnvr denver for that audio and rasmus anderson uh doesn't only want to be a golden knight okay you don't believe him no oh he doesn't have to tell us the truth why would he tell us the truth yeah on that yeah all he marty niches is doing his damn job there which is i play for the avalanche which means i gotta say this place this place rocks and you know what he's not wrong denver rocks

Starting point is 01:05:27 it's awesome it's a great place to live i'm just saying there's enough stink out there about him maybe not wanting to stay there long term well go to buffalo you don't have nathan they're not trading him to buffalo for bo byram again uh yeah i don't think so um i i hope they get something done there because if they i think the pressure marty niches probably understands the pressure is on joe sackett to get this done such like you can't do that you can you so all we keep hearing um you know florida was able to keep all their guys shake your fist to the sky a few months have passed and every story we hear with a wide variety of teams is this pending free agent won't sign this pending rfa this pending ufa

Starting point is 01:06:17 they're at an impasse and yes it's that time of year but it's a lot noisier than it usually is of the money i mean why would any of these guys sign especially until caprizov and mcdavid caprizov just rejected six what was the total number 132 or 128 holy shit ah this and you're niches you're gonna play on the top power play unit with macar mckinnon you i guess landis cog I'm guessing but wouldn't he look at that guys and and tell me if I'm wrong Jesse wouldn't he look at that and go he might not be Miko Rantanen but he might be 10 million dollars and I would look at that like I'm about to put up 40 good billion points this year yeah and and so Joe Sackick's in a position

Starting point is 01:07:10 where we didn't want to sign Rantanen to that money but we might have to sign Nietzsche's to that money or close to it yeah I think just because he doesn't want to sign now doesn't mean he doesn't want to be in Colorado I think colorado if he has an amazing season will want to give him that money because he seems like a great young player that can fit really nicely with mckinnon long term it's just he's gonna wait and see how his season goes before signing that deal it takes two right like exactly with with the avalanche there's very obvious incentive to get this done yeah with niches there isn't i think there's like entirely on the av side it's we want this done as soon as possible because he's

Starting point is 01:07:46 going to explode and niches also knows that so there's no motivation for him to sign so you know we know they're okay with having a very noisy fall yeah they redid their entire goaltending uh i listen you you trade them you keep them i don't know but what you can't have happen again is what happened last year where it's complete chaos at the trade deadline i i think colorado's got to do their business early and have a just have a friggin brilliant team and if you have an opportunity to add the trade deadline great but this flipping ranting i mean that's a that's a franchise altering move and i don't think that's typically something that gets done in february march no that's that's all it's interesting yeah i think i don't know i think misha sticks around

Starting point is 01:08:36 in colorado i hope he does it's hard to blame him it's the price for talent in the nhl has skyrocketed and you're lucky enough to be a really good player who's on an expiring let me ask you let me ask you this okay marty nietzsche is a really good hockey player great player he's not miko ranging sure fair right because miko's oh my god like nietzsche's never had like a 30 goal season yeah is he actually yeah he's a good career high 28 is marty niches a 10 million dollar guy these conversations are nuts so the the three names that we've talked about just now tuck can't be niches all might be 10 million dollar guys double digit players is would you rather ranting in at 12 or 12 5 whichever he wanted them or or niches a 10

Starting point is 01:09:27 or nine and a half even because i could see nine and a half for niches at a point of game yeah yeah absolutely all day the colorado avalanche signed that all day so if he if he is pushing for 10 or 10 plus who do you rather have jesse and steve who rantanen or rantanen or marty niches plus jack drury oh jesus rantanen every single time like rantanen was excellence every single year he's the sure money yeah which is why he got 12 12 and a half no he got 12 because it's tax free okay whatever so that's because he's guaranteed money Nietzsche's had a grand total of one season that was kind of like a Rantanen season which as a manager tasked with the budget of this team I am terrified Jesse yeah I'm gonna pick the better player in the hypothetical every

Starting point is 01:10:21 time i think you'd rather have miko rantanen i wonder if um i wonder if there's some regret in that you can't you can't run a team like that or you sit around and you regret your moves and that sort of thing you got to move forward it's spilt milk yeah like like what are you gonna do ask the stars for him back we're gonna lose every game like no you move forward you have niches now you try and get this deal done he's a very good player you're gonna keep him around I think you give him that deal that's going to make him comfy. He's going to be a good avalanche. Every single time

Starting point is 01:10:53 Sackick or McFarlane calls Jim Nill is, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hello! Hi, Jim. What are you going to do? How are you going to get him back? He can't. He can't.

Starting point is 01:11:11 He's not trying to get him back. Did you forget something? No, I'm just kidding. How are you doing? Do you think he does the same thing to Tulsky? Oh, my God. No, no, no.

Starting point is 01:11:23 Logan Sankoven's great. That player's crazy. I love Logan Sankoven. Miko, holy shitting, ranting it, man. That's tough. Rasmus Anderson could stay is the title of the CJ show. And I mentioned it yesterday. LeBron said it again today in his article.

Starting point is 01:11:41 I think Anderson might listen on an eight-year extension with a healthy raise if Calgary put that on the table. But for now, the team wants to start the season to see how things play out. Wouldn't it be funny if, after all this shit, he ends up signing and staying in Calgary? And backing up the fact that you're right, Steve, they're the noisiest effing franchise in the world right now.

Starting point is 01:12:00 Well, also, and people seem to forget this, you can just say, never mind. You can. It's happened lots of times. Players go, I want to get traded, or we're going to trade you. and then everyone involved gets over themselves and they move on with their life jake debrusk yeah in boston hey how about yeah and how did that work out for jake debrusk pretty great he did great in boston and then got an incredible contract went to ufa made a bajillion bucks from

Starting point is 01:12:28 the canucks ilia mckay of wanted to trade from the leafs leaf said no he had a great season made a good billion bucks from the canucks there was a very clear path forward here and it's money from the canucks just stay in calgary and then go to vancouver next year right sign a one year tip well they're gonna need a replacement for quinn hughes so yay whoa hey now that's crazy that's a crazy thing you said um like vegas can't afford him there's especially if petro's back next year here's what would need to happen because because what does anderson make four and a half four and a half and he's gonna could he be 10 right this is the fourth player in a row i'm asking could this be a 10 million dollar player you could get anderson this season so okay if you could

Starting point is 01:13:16 calgary trades him this season yeah so now it's 2.25 um vegas is deep in those ltir waters the numbers that i laid out last show trying to figure it out if petrangelo goes on ltir are you take akira schmidt off the roster and add a goalie which is it sounds like it's going to be carter hart they have a hair over two million dollars to do that so you're at uh i think it's two million thirty four thousand something or other so if you were to get anderson you would have to get rid of i think it's two okay sorry let's let's go back if you want to get rasmus anderson and you've signed carter hart and let's say it's for a flat two mil you would have to get calgary you'd have to pay the assets to get calgary to retain half

Starting point is 01:14:23 of anderson's deal and you would have to get rid of an additional 2.25 less 34 grand they could do it it's gonna be hard though i don't know who you get rid of and then signing him to extension is the issue jess would you pay over 10 million for rasmus anderson i think calgary signs anderson and he sticks around and he's 10 million it feels like that doesn't it Yeah, it's going to be $10 million over eight years or whatever it is. It's going to be double digits. He's a good right-handed defenseman. Even if all the rumors have lasted for a year or whatever,

Starting point is 01:15:02 he's not going to be a Vegas Golden Knight. I don't think it's worth the time to figure it out that he's going to be there. I don't think he's going there. I think he's going to be a Calgary Flame at the end of the day. I think they're trying to figure it out. Everybody's excited for Zane Preck, and you should be, but he's not Rasmus Anderson yet, and there's no guarantee that he will be. It's this thing with prospects, right?

Starting point is 01:15:20 It's like, oh, man, I'm so excited about the next guy. Yeah, but you have a guy who's good now. He looks preposterous, though. He does. He looks really, really good. What if you had two of them on the same team? Same. Hey.

Starting point is 01:15:29 Sounds fun. Very quickly, Jess, let's talk about the Minnesota Wild jerseys. Yes. I'm just going to throw them in the... Did these come out during the show? That's okay. I'll bring it up. They did come out during the show.

Starting point is 01:15:39 And it's to celebrate their 25th anniversary. Can you believe that? The Minnesota Wild are going to be 25. No. Yeah. Yeah. Stop that. I know.

Starting point is 01:15:47 Quarter Century Club already. For how many of those years was Cliff Fletcher they're very mediocre GM uh Chuck oh damn it no Cliff's great yeah um I remember like I remember reading a story in a newspaper that

Starting point is 01:16:02 Steve Eisenman was really really mad at Detroit management for not not protecting Stacy Roost in the uh expansion draft in the Minnesota Wild got him and Eisenman thought he was the next big thing it didn't work out quite that way but I've never heard of that human being you never heard of Stacy Roost and

Starting point is 01:16:18 Andrew Burnett on his tour of every expansion team ever, I believe, was on the Minnesota Wild for a while, too. I think he played with... He was a thrasher, I want to say. He was everywhere. Andrew Burnett was like the... And he was a good player.

Starting point is 01:16:30 He's a great player. And yet every time... Who did he play for? It was Nashville, Atlanta, Minnesota. That's the three teams. Didn't he end Patrick Waugh's career? I don't know. That was the final game Waugh ever played.

Starting point is 01:16:42 Burnett scored the OT winner in the playoffs. 733 points in 1110 games. That's a great player, man. Jesse, these Wild jerseys, I really like them. Oh, I love it. I'm disappointed that they're only going to wear them four times this season because they're very pretty jerseys.

Starting point is 01:16:56 It's a throwback to what they started as. And these jerseys are beautiful. Only four times? For anybody listening, I'll read what the Wild wrote here. Paying homage to the team's inaugural season, the special 25th anniversary jersey features the iconic Wild logo, original Wild script and font, and gold accents on the white sweater. it's very nice we do have some insider stuff here uh from producer hayden what is that our

Starting point is 01:17:24 resident minnesota wild fan on a train from lisbon uh to porto flex uh and just had to send a note as the resident wild fan those wild 25th anniversary jerseys are fucking flaming hot fire yeah followed by 12 heart eye emojis huge fan i mean that's that's who you gotta please right there yeah yeah yeah i don't i don't know if anybody would look at these jerseys and be upset i love these they're right they're great only four times kind of sucks we need to put them on uh marion gabrick bobblehead night i was about to say if marion gabrick doesn't come out wearing one of these i don't want it miko koivu bobblehead night jared spurgeon bobblehead night and karel kaprizov bobblehead night it's only four times this season will karel have signed

Starting point is 01:18:11 by that January 24th date or does he get traded on January 23rd and is some warehouse going to have 15,000 Kirill Capri soft bobble I think you still give them away

Starting point is 01:18:27 yeah you spent all the money you give them away you lose six nothing they get thrown onto the ice these are gorgeous I also sent you another picture of the Carolina Hurricanes jersey because I want to book end the show uh with another picture of nick ehlers in this new carolina jersey see if this

Starting point is 01:18:46 changes your opinion at all uh it does not change mine i'll come out and say it but it's a more fulsome view of the jersey in warm-up steve don't look at it wait till it's up on the screen wait till it's up on the screen so the audience can react with you can't be looking over jesse's shoulder like that come on what are you new here how's this it's good okay it's good okay you want this one yeah i can do you want footage of him skating can you have seth jarvis just yeah it's just a social video of him skating oh okay sure are the golden knights gonna kick us out you can look you can look you can look you can look now you're like this look at that adam you're so wrong dude now that those are nice there's seth there's jarvi i like the hurricanes jerseys so i i'm i'm

Starting point is 01:19:32 very particular about that i don't want them changing it too much i think they got a really good jersey you're a bum that's those are nice don't get it those are really what do you mean you don't get it don't get it doesn't do it for me i like them it insists upon itself all right i think you insist upon being wrong uh do we want to do a press conference today or are we wrapping uh we can wrap there all right we'll wrap it there we got a live show tomorrow so we'll see you there anything else to add nope gentlemen um sdp vip as well listen to that subscribe if you're not subscribed that's right anything else running out of time

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