The Steve Dangle Podcast - Rhinoceros | April 29, 2021

Episode Date: April 29, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the NHL on TNT (00:00), who wore the crown (07:30), Connor McDavid is good (20:00), the Leafs clinch a playoff spot! (28:00), the NWHL doubles their salary cap (52:00), more on the ESPN / TNT deal (54:30), does Nick Foligno switch hands? (1:09:00), Logan Paul vs Floyd Mayweather (1:12:00), an NHL playoff format proposal (1:28:00), Steve's Zoo Stories (1:40:00), and dissecting the Canadian Housing Market (1:45:00). Originally aired: April 29, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/W4Eln09G8XA Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp​ Visit this episode's sponsors: https://helixsleep.com/pages/sdp​ https://magicspoon.com/sdp​ https://www.babbel.com/​ https://ca.manscaped.com/​ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake we're gonna get flagged on youtube for that what because i showed my tatas they're gonna take us down you can't do that they're real and they're perfect thank you they're not gosh they're not no they're not okay so many hours on the couch earning those tatas Anyway, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, however you're listening. Guys, this is the shortest show we've ever had. There's so much to talk about. There's so much to talk about.

Specifically, though, I think the most important thing that we need to talk about is the return of somebody who we thought was gone forever. This could be the greatest comeback in the history of sports, and that is Andrew Ferentz coming back to the Edmonton Oilers and stealing the captaincy away from Connor McDavid. Unbelievable. Wow. The greatest captain the Oilers have ever had.

Now, if you don't know what I'm – I remember when he signed there, actually, he was like – they were like, oh, Andrew Ferret's a real leader. He leads a youth workout program in Edmonton in the summer in the mornings. I was like, oh, that's nice. And then the Oilers played that year. Seems like a great guy. Oh, he seems awesome. Then the Oilers played that year, and I was like –

They went through a long phase of exactly what the Leafs went through where they would sign exactly one person who had previously won a championship and be like, our work here is done. We're good now. The seventh most important person on the Stanley Cup winning team. That will be our guy.

And done. Strolled to the Cup. Here we come. And it didn't work. If you don't know why I'm bringing up Andrew Ferentz, former and current captain of the Oilers. Sorry, Connor McDavid. You'll just have to come play for the Leafs.

What am I talking about? where is this coming from so uh tnt who we talked about last episode uh they got the secondary right steel i believe uh with the nhl in the states um they and they put up this graphic announcing hey guess what hockey's back on tnt and they had a graphic that featured two star players in the league alexander ovechkin and andrew ferris oh that's just captain of the oilers andrew ferrets he's a star oh that's so funny man that's so fun and listen hey i work for sports net uh we've had we've had some uh tsn has had some man the infamous loophole one on tsn on trade center one day man that was so that was

i've told the story before but that was my buddy's job for years and years and i texted him as soon as that happened i'm like oh my god are you okay and he's like this is my first year not doing it yes they needed him yeah yeah i guess so now about the ference thing is that it's the first thing that pops up in google when you uh when you google image oilers captain andrew ference is the first thing that pops up so everybody on twitter is like so the guy making your graphics didn't know anything about hockey and just google oilers captain and pick the first image and it's the exact same one on google images it's like they could have picked sydney crosby nobody would have been upset about that two american teams it's an american network like why does it make

sense to have an oiler anyway well he's the biggest star in the league but yeah oh no but no one's like oh yeah i want to watch edmonton well maybe you guys want to hear shack talk about hockey because in the clip where they showed the graphic it was shack talking about hockey and then Nobody really watched the clip. They just focused on the graphic. So I'm going to play you the 25 seconds of Shaq talking about hockey if you want to hear it. Oh, my God.

Into my veins directly. I don't have any. Shaq, how is your NHL knowledge? I don't have any. Can you name three NHL teams? New Jersey Devils, California Kings, LA Kings. Okay. Thank you.

You can't get the whole state. LA Kings, Andy. Chicago. Not Bruins. Blackhawks. All right. How do you rate his NHL skills?

Better than I thought. I mean, bro, he played for the Lakers. How does he get the California Kings? He played for the Lakers, too, though, when the Kings stunk. It was right after the Gretzky era. right but they shared a building you're you're gonna you're gonna want to google Shaq and then

yes so did the Clippers and no one liked them either so true name Clippers from that time no one can you should google Shaq New Jersey Devils and see what pops up you're gonna get a little surprise to save everybody who can't google it very quickly Shaq did the ceremonial puck drop before a New Jersey Devils game a few years ago and he was wearing a Ponikarovsky jersey alex ponikarovsky because i guess it's the longest name and it's the only one that would fit on his back i don't know maybe he was just the tallest guy on the team he could have been i loved pony i miss pony why i don't know it was just you get attached to the best players on shitty teams you know what i mean you know i also miss perennial underperformer alex

ponikarovsky when they teamed him up with nick andropov and then the guy who was actually good Matt Sundin? Matt Sundin, and they were nicknamed the Skyline, and Bill Waters would get on the radio and jokingly call them, no, they're the Flatline. They suck. Yeah. Yeah. They did. You guys remember Mojo Radio?

I do. Anyway. I remember when Matt Sundin had actual wingers, like Alex McGilney. Gary Roberts. Steve Thomas. Jonas Hoagland. Okay, well, it's not as long a list as you thought. Stop it. Hey, so... It was on Team Sweden. There is lots to talk about, including

that tnt uh information and i actually want to relay a story and he might tell this on the 31 thoughts podcast but just in case you miss it elliot freeman actually wrote something very interesting about the nhl rights deal shifting in 2014 2015 in the 31 thoughts column this week and i thought it was really great because elliot's rarely makes it about himself but his personal experience on this one was like really really interesting so i think we got to get into that there's a lot of stuff to talk to uh you know the leafs have clinched a playoff spot which means You're not going to miss the playoffs two years in a row because, guys, guess what? They missed it last year.

Everybody kind of forgets that. But let's get into Who Wore the Crown, brought to you by Jesse. Actually, today's episode is brought to you by Jesse. Oh. So today's episode, I left it blank on purpose. I didn't schedule it from the many DMs that I have to get back to. And if you have DMed me in the last week, I haven't responded to you yet. I'm still filling out the calendar.

We are through June 3rd with Who Are the Crown booking. So I think I'll go up until the end of when the Stanley Cup final is going to be, and then I'll cut it off there. But yeah, I got to get back to you on DM if you have DM'd me. But today's Who Are the Crown segment is brought to you by Jesse Blake, because I made a donation, and I'm challenging you, Steve, and you, Adam Wild, to beat my donation. So today, in Toronto, our good friend, fourth member of the show,

cj chris johnston ran a marathon he has run every single day for the last 365 days and today he said on the one year uh his 365th run he was going to run a full marathon in support of conquer covet 19 so elliot friedman was out there he was watching him run his marathon and he did it in a time of three hours and 39 minutes and 45 seconds so we have to shout out uh reporter chris today for doing his job and running again i don't know if he's going to keep running tomorrow but we'll see and he wore he wore a t-shirt that says juggernaut across the front so this whole thing his running project was to raise money for conquer covet 19 if you go to idrf.ca you can donate there yourself if you'd like to it's also on his twitter find it there i donated personally this morning

because i'm a great person two hundred dollars and i texted him and i told them i donated that and and i congrats on your run and keep running so steve and adam because you aren't as great as people as i am you haven't donated yet and i'm challenging you right now for who are the crown make a donation you know two hundred dollars and one cent coming your way well you know sometimes they say if i was half the man jesse was well i am exactly half the man jesse was because i donated a hundred bucks today so nice i got i got another hundred dollars and two cents adam damn it go all right i will get there jesse i will get there what a guy what a guy i like it i'm into it um so that was brought to you by i guess jesse blake and you know what we'll give

it to chris chris is the sponsor of of uh the crown segment and i gotta ask uh who wants to go first does anybody have any thoughts adam i'm feelings you you haven't you haven't set it up oh i'm sorry i'm sorry sorry you haven't can you just this is who wore the crown brought to you by one chris johnston the next time that you decide today i'm going to be fit forever kind of like sean mckenzie definitely like cj and i'm going to be a better person than everybody else definitely like cj why not juggernaut run for 365 straight days to conquer covet 19 unbelievable god i love cj anyway uh all right who wants to go first i'll go first because i have a special crown to hand out today because i didn't think it'd ever get to this point where i would be giving young adam

brooks a crown so i just want to give adam brooks my crown today because he has solidified the fourth line on the toronto maple leafs it spets on the wing thornton on the wing brooksy in the middle and it is so much fun to watch he was awesome last night and i can't wait to see them run in the playoffs of this fourth line i don't think nobody who comes back is going to kick him out of that slot if he's playing like this over the next was it seven games they have left i think that's that's the fourth line you got to run with in the playoff and fill out everything else engvall i'm sorry you had every chance in the history of the leafs like nobody's given you any more chances than you've had this last like four months but you didn't take the slot

and um adam brooks congrats i think that fourth line center spot is yours you're phenomenal here's a crown he's been so good that like forget engvall people are talking about taking out galchenyuk when hyman comes back it's well i've a lot of people tweeted it at me they're like who comes out is it brooks or galchenyuk and i'm like well listen there's a healthy argument well then who's your who's the third line uh i guess it just stays as it is Kerfoot centering Simmons and Mikheyev

Mikheyev is who I was forgetting yeah I guess there's no room he's not going to center the fourth line you're not scratching any of the old guys make peace with that Hyman comes back

they want Hyman on the third line so what are they going to you got Foligno who has his spot now and it doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. I think good teams have good extras. Yeah. It might be Brooks. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and Joe Thornton and Jason Spetz, a known centerman, I'm sure they can handle it at seven or eight minutes a night. Like, I'm sure they can. Yeah. So it'll be all right. But that fourth line, Jesse, absolutely right. And it was funny.

Right before he scored last night, I said to nobody in particular, boy, Adam Brooks looks good. And scored. And I was like, Adam Wild, you're a genius. again nobody in particular uh which puts you on the broadcast third man oh man man here's chris cuthbert chris simpson adam wilde what do you think adam well not much i ate the purple berries but you know it's it's funny the uh uh the thing with him is he's and i and i i i don't want to i don't mean this to be insulting but we have found a spot for joe thornton on this team

because of yeah emergence of adam brooks and i don't the thing the reason i want i want there to be a spot for joe thornton on this team i want him to be playing i love the passion that he showed but there was like seven or eight games there guys where it was like i don't yeah there's a little longer than that it's a little longer than that right it was sort of like where does this go and uh i want to remind everybody that jason spezza has more points than josh anderson this season no pretty sure yeah no let me look at it one more time spezza has how many points jason spezza stats.nhl.com he's got 26 points josh and anderson mr anderson has no are you ready no 24 points get out of absolute town really yeah oh dear why why why the comparison

to josh anderson why did we cherry pick him to be a dick jesse i'm trying to like just because if you're a montreal canadians fan you're like fuck what else am i gonna say to that okay i feel bad like that was the big get and now it's like well jason's got more points jesse that's that's another shot across the belt mike babcock jesse counterpoint no i don't feel bad at all that's just hilarious keep going yep um steven your crown well folks austin matthews yeah how do you know it right that's what we're seeing what a mutant oh he scored a goal so sexy he surprised himself and it wasn't even the nicest batting the puck out of the air to himself followed immediately by a goal goal that he

has scored in that building he scored a very similar goal off the rush with patrick marlo on his line in 2017 in la centre belle montreal it's uh what what do you say what do you say what do you do what do you what do you do except hand him the crown hand him the key to the city make him prime minister what uh make him ambassador to mars like what else do you do this is the best player that's ever played for the toronto maple leafs and here's how good conor mcdavid is he is probably never going to win the heart ever once and people are going to be one day we're going to be talking about matthews going to the hall of fame and we're going to be talking about individual hardware and ah yeah but where's the hearts yeah he'll have cons mites yeah that's

what i'm thinking man that's what i'm hoping that's definitely what i'm hoping i also think you and a few rockets matthews has a thing we're gonna your other fans from other markets are going to laugh at me here but I think you do have to play at a bit of a disadvantage playing in Toronto because the writers here like to be first off more writers are here and they like to be hipster about it that's why they picked Taylor Hall over Connor McDavid in 2017 oh well the Oilers aren't going to the playoffs fuck you he's the best player in the league and and and by the way this year it's Connor McDavid's trophy stop giving it to Leon Dreisaitl even Leon's like I don't don't understand leon dry saddle is not leon dry saddle without connor mcdavid i think connor mcdavid

is connor mcdavid without leon dry saddle and that's not to diminish leon dry side connor mcdavid is a a step above everybody in this league everybody including the people who are right next to him and you know he's right now connor mcdavid is on a point per period pace in the last 13 periods in the last in the last 13 periods he has 13 points he's on a point per period this take a second to just appreciate how crazy that status every period he has a point last 13 periods adam who wears your crown because i want to continue this um uh sir jack of campbell uh i just want to say nice to have him back in in form a little bit recently especially um and you know last night saving 33 of 34 a nice clean or sorry 32 of 33 a nice clean 970 save percentage let's

go through jack campbell's record for the season guys can we just do that for just two seconds i bet it's 11 and l and then 14 2 and 1 wow again it's 14 2 and 1 now i know that he went on a bit of a winning streak there that was historical and people were like well a bit of a hot streak and maybe the last couple games he wasn't very good and whatever guys he's 14 2 and 1 that's huge that's big yes i know the team's good jack campbell has been spectacular he had a couple wobbly games tell me who does it show me a bully that doesn't and uh i think this guy's for real this is awesome and i think we got to give we got to give him a little more credit than we're giving him because remember this up until this season the leafs defense was awful and you had to look to like

the most advanced stats you possibly could to go well it's maybe going in the right direction this year leafs defense has been better pushing shots the outside they've done a lot of what tampa bay did a couple years ago uh with the the amendments to their to their system and how they play defensively um and obviously the addition of tj brody helps the emergence of rassman sandin helps the zach bagosian being as good as he's been um and and justin hall all of these things coming together once is great but we've seen what happens when we don't have a great goalie in that we've seen hutch no offense to hutch he had a shout out he's still been he's been better this year and a big save dave hasn't been great and when do big save dave the net do the leafs look

great they do not not not the answer is they do not look dominant well hopefully that answer will be out of date by the end of tonight why is that he's getting the start against vancouver it looks like okay well there you go so anyway that's my crown and that is who are the crown brought to you by chris johnson who wants to cover uh sorry conquer covet 19 on his own just him we're sending him in he's gonna he's gonna administer every vaccine and on his own affirmed and also break a few traits thank you chris for what you do remember what's the uh website again uh so if you go to his twitter it is there at reporter chris or you can go directly to idrf.ca slash project slash conquer covet 19 so the next time you want to be an infant in shape person and just

overall a better person than anybody else why not i'm the juggernaut chris why not see it's like it's like the line thank you for listening to who wear the crown now we you guys want to talk about conor mcdavid for a second before we get into the leaps right a little the 100 point thing is getting stupid like if dude he's almost there it's it's ridiculous if he if he gets 100 points in 56 games like that yeah that's that's the best pace since mario lemieux peaked in the 90s so what is what's he at right now because i know they played last night but i i missed it connor's mcdavid yeah last i checked he was at 81 in 46 i think he's at 84 and 47 in 84 yeah stop okay so i need to amend my little tweet then uh that i was about to read because

connor you freaking how is this possible okay so he is officially on a we clip that by the way that was a that was quite the reaction he made me malfunction just anything happens steve goes so okay here's what i tweeted conor mcdavid is on pace for 98.6 points in 56 games by the way updated after one single game uh 100 points flat he is on pace for 100 points let's uh round up and say 99 i said no let's say 100 steven uh that would give him more points in a 56 game season than five of the 20 Art Ross Trophy winners, so scoring title winners, since the year 2000.

His pace is one point back, now tied, of the 2017 winner, Connor McDavid. Unbelievable. He's, he's, if he gets 100, he'll have more points or as many, now that we can add 2017 in there, than more than 25% of the scoring title winners since the year 2000. Yes, that includes Marty St. Louis from 2013,

who had a 48-game season, but he only had 60 points. That pace, not even close. Not even close. What Conor McDavid is doing this season is special, truly, truly special. And he's been held off the score sheet, I believe it was in nine games this season. so mostly against the on this pace right three of them were against the leafs consecutively and

three were against montreal i forget the other three a game like winnipeg two nights ago he's playing winnipeg and he has a hat trick it was a monday night and they they sat up like he played 16 minutes that night he had four points he's like steph curry he's taking he took the fourth quarter off because he had too much points oh my god he's so far and away above better than everybody else in the nhl that it's starting to be absurd well that's why i was trying to say earlier about the uh leon dry saddle thing it's it's not that leon i would want to diminish leon's talent it's just that anybody next to conor mcdavid seems like an ant he's a giant he's unbelievable and i mean he's no andrew ferentz but he's quickly going to become the face of this

league and it'll be nice with a little bit Sean Horkoff uh do you remember by the way when Sean Horkoff re-signed in Calgary sorry in Edmonton and the Calgary Flames Twitter account said what a stupid deal idiots and then like yeah somebody that meant to do it from their own Twitter account but was signed into the Flames Twitter account they got fired I didn't know it was Horkoff I do remember and it was yeah he signed for two years five million a piece and that was a lot of money for sean horcock and then and then yeah it was like what a dumb deal this is idiots from the official flames account that's amazing no they should have given that guy a promotion come on battle of alberta how dare you i think i think you know uh i do want to do ag there's a little

bit later in the show too guys so let's save some of this uh but if if connor mcdavid hasn't been on your radar all year he should be and i'm excited to see what happens to connor mcdavid's career after the espn and the tnd deals kick in because um with a wider audience hopefully in the states a lot of new people he's going to be one of the guys that they look to to go wow this is the most exciting player in the world and um i think you know just entering his prime because he's what 24 uh yeah so his prime years or his next six um we're going to see some pretty spectacular hockey over the course of this espn tnt deal and uh i think they're going to be rewarded for it it's going to be very very cool time i think and hope to be a hockey fan now let's

get into the leafs here who uh and i want to read a tweet to you guys because there's a bit of a weird one around this and it comes from uh our guy terry koshan who we think is a great person we love terry right yes steven big terry fan big terry fan per the nhl and i love that he said that per the nhl matthews and marner joined caberly williams salming and turnbull as the only leafs in the expansion era to reach the postseason in each of their first five seasons wow except except what they didn't make the postseason last year yes they did they did somehow they didn't make the playoffs they made the stanley cup playoffs yes all right because they the toronto the maple leafs were in the nhl playoffs they were in the nhl playoffs no they were in the nhl

postseason they were not in the playoffs they were in the nhl playoffs they were not in the stanley cup playoffs oh that's what it is this is the difference right what a little shit that record is that's crap it is there's definitely an asterisk on it i mean if you're cabaret and for some reason you're dug in about that shit in between like uber shifts like we ran by the way what that's not a dig at cabriolet he literally pretty sure he like co-owns a restaurant or his wife yeah his wife making deliveries in the peak of the pandemic last uh like april through may ish uh cabriolet was helping his wife with deliveries for the restaurant that i believe they both own and he would do the uber deliveries and drop them off himself and you just be in your

toronto place ordering uh chicken fried rice and cabriolet would show up at your door with a bag and drop it off it's it was pretty cool pictures to see i think i look just like thomas coverley i met him once he's a nice guy is it yeah quiet very quiet very very quiet but but nice um so anyway it doesn't doesn't help that i it was at sick kids hospital that's what i was working there and uh why did you start telling this depressing story it's not depressing everything was okay it was just he was there and he was in the lobby and and uh i just kind of waved and he kind of wave back and that was it in retrospect i was 19 and i was working there in retrospect i probably shouldn't have waved but i was 19 man and he's he was thomas coverley you just ended the show

for a second time i'm sorry yeah that was a steve level story what a man he caught a football and fell off a balcony tell a zoo story you stupid dick oh my god um so the leafs clinch a playoff spot Thornton's and Spets had both hit milestones in the same night Thornton with 1100 assists Jason Spets are moving into I think was 99th place an all-time scoring list who do you pass I don't know who do you pass Maurice Richard oh right yes of course that's pretty cool it is pretty cool in Montreal no less will Maurice we know we know all the asterisks calm down it's neat that's all if you had the chance guys it like so Jason Spezza has had knocks on him his entire career but if you're the scout I mean not that he not that we didn't see this coming with

him he was going to be a good player but if you have the chance at a first overall pick and you're told at the end of his career he will be in the top 100 scores of all time that's a pretty big win right it's a good pick people look at Jason Spezza sometimes I feel like Cause there was deficiencies in his, in his defensive game. And he never turned into like Jonathan Tays and Jonathan Tays wasn't even in the NHL at that point, but you know, he was always just the offensive guy. I think any scout anywhere takes top hundred score all time, any day, any day. And there were,

remember how hard it was for him to even make the Senator Jacques Martin kept sending him down. I, I do seem to remember something like that. Yeah. It was like two or three years, and then he finally was like, okay, am I going to make this, or are you just going to trade me? And they let him on the team, and he scored a bunch. They were really good, and he was also sort of part of that. I want to say he was, just as he was sort of getting his footing,

he was part of that crop of ridiculously young and talented players who sort of had their career put on hold by the full-season lockout. yes it was like he it was like it was guys like he was torturing the ahl i think getzlaff might have been in there eric stall like just all these guys who had no business being in that league just tearing it to shreds yeah it's crazy isn't it good part uh now i have a question i don't know if you ever said that but most others did um at what point do we start giving william any letter of credit for scoring in front of the net? None.

He led the team in net front goals last season. No, but... But? What national team does he play for? Sweden. Can't do it. No player from Sweden has ever scored goals in front of the net. I have an honest, like a serious question here.

This is a joke, by the way. Would anybody think players from Sweden were soft if it wasn't for Don Jerry? Probably not. i don't know where does that question because here's the thing with like swedes are known to be benevolent to each other you know with their universal health care and they're looking after each other but the um the the idea that swedish players are soft is the only person i've ever heard that from in the media is don cherry and when you look at the first swedish players to

play in the nhl and i'm thinking specifically boris salming not soft top they were just targeted and you grow up in like literally the frozen north like we think we got winters stockholm's like no like exactly stockholm's like oh it's it's bright till midnight out up here like it's it's they're way further or darker way more exactly i'm very sort of surprised that that they get stuck with that still and willie doesn't throw a bunch of hits uh but he doesn't need to he's got a brick shithouse though well yeah he's strong hard to be hard to knock off the puck oh yeah i think don cherry definitely was the like flag bearer of national xenophobia within hockey you know like i think he really sweetened no i think i think towards any european really over

the last over the what was he on tv for 35 years 40 years yeah i think you know when you're on national tv in canada for 40 years and you keep saying the same points over and over again for 40 years and one of those points is i don't like european hockey players i think it's gonna get into this uh the game a little and i think it definitely did and it created these terrible narratives and the ones who were tough he called rats you know yeah like a guy like casperitis who was kind of a cheap shot artist but you know what you know but but so was so were darcy tucker and ty domey and we love them exactly uh and we would love to have them on the team so absolutely and and a guy a guy like john cherry i think is sort of put at the forefront well one because he was

on a national broadcaster but two because he lasted so long but there's this footage that i can't for the life of me find but i saw it once i saw it with my own eyes and it was harold ballard talking about a player on his own team it was a i want to say it was a czech player i want to say it was peter and a czech um and someone asked him a question about him it sure was and someone asked him a question about him point blank and he says into the camera he goes he's a dumb czech into the camera i couldn't believe it he did so well if you look up any harold ballard interviews from the cbc archives which by the way are available for free online um like there was one with a woman uh woman host oh yeah and she has him and somebody else on at on her show and

he says to the other man on the show can somebody shut this woman up harold ballard not seen this it's not a seeable it's a listen you it wasn't filmed it was he was on the phone harold ballard was the worst he's terrible i uh i remember i did a project on him like in elementary school i was like grade three or four i was and the book that i took out from the library obviously had information that was over my head at that age and i remember having to ask my parents like why there was a quote in there he called someone uh he called him a bunch of frogs and i'm like what does this mean like i don't i've watched bunny i don't understand this insult yeah yeah they had to explain it to me yeah and i wanted to say something i don't think the entire blame is on

don cherry because i i would assume like people like ballard and the company he would keep around him would perpetuate those stereotypes as well like i don't think anybody was standing around arguing with cherry about europeans i think there's a lot of people probably who agreed with him during those times during those 40 years you know mclean would argue with him and then people would call him stuffed right and then there's the whole uh cavalry of defense who were like yelling at ron and being like shut up let don talk and yeah i guess i remember i remember because my parents worked at the cbc and sold hockey night in canada my dad and stepmom um and like sales team yeah and they would have to deal with clients like like french canadian

clients calling and going he can't say this oh wow he like he was hard on canadians like it was it was like um he's like all these remember the frenchies with the visors thing that blew up and was like especially big in quebec um that was really not long ago it was not long ago it wasn't i mean i was a kid but it wasn't long ago and i think so the reason i asked that question is because you know i can understand a cabal of people at the top of hockey maybe thinking that or whatever um and that was also part and parcel of the fact that the europeans played a much more finesse oriented game especially the russians it wasn't about the hits it was about skating and shooting and scoring and um and for some reason he's the only guy i can actually point to that

was saying that publicly at the time although my context isn't great because i wasn't alive for a lot of it so i wonder if that was just something where the average person thought that too which is weird it's a very odd thing to think and a very ignorant thing to think frankly there are legitimate criticisms of william kneelander but but i can't help but think how much easier of a time he'd have if his name was mark shifley what's the difference although i mean mark's a center mark scores a lot one's better at defense and it's willing yeah dude who's been benched this season more shife i mean willie was almost scratched and wasn't just because of the injury but but and he was benched for a play he was benched for a uh a period what if his name was

blake wheeler yeah you know and i'm not picking on the jets it's just those two are bad at defense but what if what if we just change the expectations on players it's the it's the line a thing i think william william miller suffers from the same thing that line is facing right now it's hey this guy's a great goal scorer let him go be that don't expect the defense from because you need all of these different parts in on a hockey team to win games and to be a stanley cup champion what if william meanlander's not the guy you have chasing back on every back check what if he's the guy on his line you get the puck to because he's gonna shoot it and score he's gonna play but then he does he does those things you just mentioned and doesn't get credit for it but then he also does

the back checking stuff he does play in the corners he doesn't get credit but you can also just like not expect those things if that's not the type of player he is and don't criticize him for that and then when he does it it's even higher than what you expected i think also this team we've just since they were introduced to the nhl we've thought they were older than they are and i forget all the time i forget all the time and you know like i think i think about austin matthews who's is he 23 or 24 uh three i want to say 23 so i think about i mean there's lots of 23 year olds in the nhl and have been in the nhl but then i think about myself at 23 what a shithead what a dumbass and this dude is is i mean he's playing as grown up as he's ever

played yep you know what i mean and so was willie and so was mitch and so was dermot you know to to go to you know a little further down the lineup is that because they're growing up yeah a little bit a little bit isn't that amazing crazy i think that happens to most people is happening like the window for this team is still so far open your your point about them being younger than we think it's so true like they've been austin matthew's been the league this is what fifth year he he got out of his entry level deal last season last season was the first year not in on his entry level contract like that that's insane we think like oh these guys have been around forever they should have won by now and no this is a core that just they're they're just getting into where

they're peaking now like they're this team has finally come together like last season it wasn't there there were eight c and they didn't make the playoffs so they didn't make the stanley cup playoffs and now we're seeing it come together so it might take even like not even this season might take a couple more years for them to actually get to their highest of talent levels and it's going to be fun to watch we've got to keep remembering around yeah we're around but and also let me just throw this out there old man or morgan riley who's been around forever is like 28 i don't even know if he's oh yeah yeah that's it right that's it i'm surprised he's even that old riley's 27 27 has has morgan riley been eligible for free agency yet no unrestricted uh

unrestricted after next season i think after next season and he signed his restricted deal i think with didn't he sign it with a year no and maybe he didn't sign it with a year left but they signed it before he went even to restricted free agency. And that's the old guy. Him and Nas signed deals the same day and it's some of the tidiest contract work

honest to goodness this team has ever done. I think that was Lou. That was Lou Lamorello. I think it was coming off the year where they finished last. I'm pretty sure he got, I think he got Mo and Nas for six years each. Yeah, and at a total

of $8.5 million. Morgan Riley's signing date of his current contract is April 13th, 2016. Six years, $30 million. Unbelievable. Beautiful birthday present. Six times five. Ooh, ooh, ooh.

And he's got a 72-point season in there. That's a tidy bit of work. I miss Nas, but it's a tidy bit of work. Guy, I got a question, guys. Do Montreal, does the Montreal Canadiens franchise, do the players, do they want to go to the playoffs? you know what it's been a hard year yeah i felt bad for them last night this is one of the first times i legitimately felt bad for a leafs opponent now i know you lose drew and that's tough i get

that so that of course you know him taking his personal leave and by the way we wish him all the best with that hope he's okay of course coach was fired earlier in the year right you know with winning record coach's fight has been out forever price is out gallagher is out byron was not in this game tatar was not in this game joanne was not in this game caulfield is a child like roman in a way like he's still a child like he's getting a little bit of the the the treatment that the guys that we just talked about are getting like oh yeah him and caulfield the saviors of this what you're not supposed to it's great to have those young players you're not supposed to lean all your weight on them it's and is gallagher gonna be back days i before the

playoffs i think so okay but like how how back is he gonna be right well he fucking sucks to play against i'm a big brandon gallagher fan i was wondering where that sentence was going i'm like no he doesn't he's great man i would love it if he was a leaf i love him uh he's so great i just you know i think you know because obviously we're pretty sure that this is what's going to be the first round matchup i realize calgary's within quote-unquote striking distance five points there's eight games left to play we'll see but uh man if if you go into the playoffs cold it can be a pretty tough go we've seen that 10 points in my last seven games who am i uh you are um john tavaris no william elander sam bennett

oh that's why i keep getting sam bennett tweets people like oh i should have picked up sam but he's had oh oh i'm sorry he's had great a great seven games out of you you adam no one in the history of the earth has ever been more anti-Sam Bennett than you were. I'm not anti-Sam Bennett. I'm anti-giving up a first round pick for Sam Bennett. They were asking.

He wants out. Trade him. Trade him. You're salty. You're salty. Hydrate. Hydrate. Wait a second. Was he traded? To the Panthers? Yeah. For like a second and a third or a third?

It wasn't. Hold on. Does that reflect poorly on me or the Flames? Both. Just because the Flames made a bad call doesn't mean you also didn't. It's Adam. It's seven games, guys.

What the hell is this? Not only were you wrong about Sam Bennett, but you're not even the heir to Boston Pizza. Is he? So now what? So who's the heir to Boston Pizza? Isn't Bradford Living the heir to Boston Pizza? He's not the heir, just his brother. jim i think it's his dad no they only brad are brothers are they yeah no they're both like 50

aren't they i don't know i didn't know that i thought it was his dad i don't know what's happening oh jim trill living is 50 jim trill living is 79 oh his child is brad eat shit oh Brad is 50. I could have sworn Jim Treliving was like 55. You know what his secret is? Boston pizza. By the way, Americans

are like, what's Boston pizza? And is it from Boston? No, it's from Canada. It's a Canadian chain. Do they not have Boston pizza in the States? I don't believe so. The world doesn't make sense. Are there Boston pizzas

in the US? like a burlington fish and chips just randomly in connecticut or something like that like that oh no they do they do okay but i'm pretty sure they got them in mexico too but up until a few years ago they didn't pizza but there are no boston pizzas in massachusetts massachusetts massachusetts there's nothing there's no boston pizzas in the actual state that boston is in there are 435 uh boston does in north america what are you doing why are you gming the flames man go huck some pizza yeah just go live off your dad's money what are you doing you're like you gotta brad true living needs to put up with my bullshit criticizing him like he

needs a hole in the head are you kidding me imagine being the gm of the flames as a hobby i that's what he is like good for him though that's pretty that's pretty accomplished like It's pretty amazing. We got to keep the kids from getting up to mischief. Son, go be an NHL executive. Make something of yourself. Wow. Okay, so in 2012,

the last reported revenue of Boston Pizza on the Wikipedia page. Can you guess how much their revenue was in 2012? That's in 2012. Yes. I don't know anything about money. I was frequenting Boston Pizza all the time. Go ahead, Steve.

$720 million. $720? Okay, Adam. say i'm gonna say 5.2 billion how which is aka how much rogers paid for the nhl rights it wasn't that much but in 2012 boston pizza had a revenue of 943 million dollars but that's is it gross or net uh that's just it says revenue so i win price is right that uh steve wentz yes i'm in the showcase showdown let's go your company is pulling in a billion dollars why are you gming the flames you know it's a billion

dollars eight years ago imagine what they're doing now right a lot more probably yeah anyways so yeah sam bennett's good he's good man my argument was never sam bennett isn't good it's the leafs don't need him i think it was bad yeah i thought you thought i thought you said he sucked He was a bit of a perennial underperformer. I think everybody can agree with me on that one. He was. Am I wrong?

Was he a fifth overall pick? I tell you what, he's over a point a game in Florida. Are we at KFC? Because Adam's doubling down. Am I? All right. Another thing I want to say. So this is what I wanted to say on the Oilers, guys.

Jets have lost five straight. Three of five of those have come against their likely first round opponent, the Oilers. um nobody wants to play the Oilers when the Oilers are hot right we're agreeing on that and they are red hot that's a red hot 10 team in the league when they're on fire if we're if we're just going by recent trends uh the Leafs will play Montreal and beat them and Edmonton will play Winnipeg and

demolish them. They will beat the Oilers will beat the Jets as it looks right now. The Oilers will beat the Jets by more than the Leafs will beat whoever their prospective opponent is. Oh, yeah.

They just don't match up. Right now, it looks like an inevitable collision of Matthews and McDavid in Canada. What an incredible matchup. Oh, good. Oh, good. Oh, oh!

I can think of a few people I know who are like, come on! Let's go! Are they all Rogers employees? Yeah, they are all Rogers employees. I didn't say that, Jesse Blake. Don't put words in my mouth! It is dangerous! The Blue Jays are going, please do it so we can sign more free agents

this winter. I follow this, he's like a media specialty guy adam seaborn he's like oh this this is one of the rare nights where rogers probably wishes they didn't have leafs habs as their highlight because george springer is making his blue jays debut and then they were down eight nothing after the third yeah whoops i mean i mean listen good theory not all good theories are you know end up that way i am very baseball is it's always on the next night anyway sorry jesse go ahead I was just going to say, I'm very excited for Oilers-Leafs.

I think that's what's going to happen. The scenario you played out there, Steve, that looks like it's going to happen. I'm getting ahead of myself. I'm going to guarantee it. And I think the Leafs are going to take that matchup because of what we've seen so far in the regular season where they've kind of had the Oilers number,

especially when they... My concern with that is playoff Mike Smith. My concern with that is getting past the first round. Well, yeah. I won't believe they can do it until they do. to the decimated habs like you're scared of that no no i'm not don't put anything by oh yeah i am not scared of the habs i am scared of the leafs you see that this is unreasonable i don't believe in unreasonable absolutely is not all right here we go is not ding ding let's go jesse they haven't

done it since 2004 everyone was like michael jordan he can he can do it he can until he freaking did it he could not prove that he could do it why are you comparing the leaves to michael jordan because we compare everything in hockey to michael jordan for some reason now yeah absolutely that's how it works yeah that's how it worked no but listen they should there's no reason to believe that they should lose to whoever their first round opponent is yeah but i will not sleep eight hours consecutively until they do. Does that make sense?

Is that fair? There are two very mediocre teams fighting for that last spot. Someone argue three mediocre teams. Are we ruling out Vancouver or Calgary right now? Because one of them is still in it. Vancouver, I'm ruling out.

Yeah, especially because they lost last night. Yeah, had they not lost, remember it was the Drance tweet, If they win four in a row, they'll have a 42% chance. I think it was tongue-in-cheek from Drancer. Yeah, of course. But since they're a little miracle back-to-back against the Leafs, they have not looked good.

Because they're not very good. I think the Leafs will handle Calgary or Montreal, and it looks like it's going to be Montreal with, like, five less bodies than they should have. So I'm not concerned. Come on, guys. Have some faith in your team. Yeah.

I do really think they would beat Montreal, but do it. Do it first. Please do it. They play the games for a reason. 100%. So we'll see what happens with that. It's going to be very, very interesting. Now, I want to mention a couple of things here.

First off, a little shout out to the NWHL. They have doubled their salary cap going into next season. It was $150,000 per team. it will now be 300 000 per team uh so that's really interesting and there's an article in a story right now at sportsnet.ca talking about how um they are willing to uh open to and i think they've already you know when we had um danny rylan the former commissioner on open to many offenses with the pwhpa um and have remained so i don't know if that feeling is reciprocated for the pwhpa but i wouldn't want to speak for them however that's pretty attractive uh if you're a

professional hockey player you know salary caps doubling and being you know that that might be a game changer in this deadlock and jana hefford tweeted her her praise of it uh and her affiliation with the pwhpa is noteworthy uh in this case also on the nwhl front uh toronto sixes uh star player, Mikayla Grant-Mentis was named league MVP. That's all. Round of applause for her. A number 13 as Toronto's best player.

Never seen it before. Never. Never not once. Okay. Never. Never not once. Jesus, Steve. We were hoping it would be the guy over Jesse's shoulder, but he never showed up. That's true. Steve Nash.

Now, let's talk about... By the way, the other thing that's hanging up there, I got that for Jesse, so I'm glad he still has it. Did you? Yeah. I like my Toronto Retina's shirt. When? How long ago? It was a while ago. Is that a baseball shirt? Yeah, it's like a baseball tee.

Kind of. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. It's for the summer. It's got meshing stuff. It's nice. I like it. Good for you. I don't got it for me. Is it big enough for you, Jesse? Yeah, it still fits. If it's like a nice summer day, it's like a breezy

you know it sounds like a drink that i would drink at the park if it were legal in toronto which apparently it won't be but people will do it anyway um i want to read this story that elliot friedman gave to 31 thoughts uh this and this is talking about the uh the rights fees um and the switch over from you know uh one broadcasting network to the other so um uh basically um he said when i when cbc was negotiating to keep the rights prior to the 1415 season we were told and elliot you have to remember 31 thoughts was a cbc column and elliot was a cbc personality is that how old 31 thoughts is oh yeah i remember being on this show and you saying like when we first started i said who should what do i need to read each week to get

a little bit more educated and to make sure i'm up on things and stuff and the first thing you said was 31 thoughts and you said it's 30.ca 30 30 30 thoughts and next year it'll be 32 32 thoughts yeah there's 30 thoughts right yeah and really it's like 38 thoughts um but you know you can't pare it down it's because too much elliot information full column followed by 31 thoughts right yeah so this is uh elliot talking about the rights deal when when rogers came in and made their big push so uh when cbc was negotiating to keep the rights prior to the 2014-15 season cbc was told they would have to pay more for a lesser package than the one they'd already had ultimately the massive rogers bid changed everything but cbc wasn't crazy about the

idea and the cbc if you don't know is a publicly funded broadcaster in canada not unlike pbs but a lot more like say bbc and you know pbs is is privately funded by the public whereas the public publicly funds it here it's government-funded broadcaster and um anyway long story short um it was very interesting he said the euphoria of winning a bidding war he said i've lived both of the both sides of this the euphoria of winning a bidding war knowing a fresh exciting property is coming to your network and the crushing disappointment of losing something that is yours something you've poured your heart into and the uncertainty of it and that what that creates um he's talking about you know nbc because nbc has a lot of great people doing hockey every single

day and you know i bet a lot of those people just end up at espn or tnt because they're already great like they already have a profile in the sport why not but it's also very scary and this is what he had to say they don't know that yeah i remember the day cbc lost the rights listening to the company conference call from the hospital where our family was going through a rough time. So imagine a, it absolutely sucked. Other than that, I have almost no memories of that season. I was in a fog and didn't snap out of it for months until Mike Babcock, then in Detroit asked how I was handling the transition and hearing the answer said I had to snap out of it because quote, your family is depending on you. When I was hired by Sportsnet, they told me I had

a really strong year after we knew we lost the rights. Honestly, I don't remember, but I've used that as something that could help others even if your brain is mush you've still got to grind the right people are always watching and if you shine in challenging times they're going to notice i thought that was pretty cool he man that was uh i i was at cbc when it was first reported and i could have cried i could have cried because that like the they were already losing so much money and so many people were getting laid off and it was it was miserable like frank to be frank it was everyone there was because because the government in power at the time too was under was on purposely defunding it um because that was yeah that was a conservative minority government

yeah yeah and uh no it was heartbreaking and then you know like news news trickles out about what their what their plans are and you know i i was you know writing highlight packs at the time and you know i wasn't top priority and then you know the the hires start trickling out and oh this guy got hired by sportsnet this person and and someone from cbc who i was given the impression did not like me was given up like a managerial role and that was another one where i was like oh my god i'm gonna cry like i like so i'm never getting in there then so there's nowhere to work so i gotta go to i gotta go to tsn or bust i gotta i gotta go to tsn or i'm not gonna get in anywhere and i had two meetings with the vp of tsn 20 minute meetings and he's like if i could hire you right

now i would but it's it's not up to me uh i don't i don't remember if i put these things specifically in the book not that one but you did put the the sports net uh the sports net interview the original one in the book oh the original one where i didn't get in the worst job interview of my entire life uh and and let me i had some pretty bad ones well to be fair that guy's gone and probably for a good reason it's called i'm glad you asked jesse it's called uh this team is ruining my life but i love them how i became a professional hockey fan steve tangle glenn this is an advanced reading copy if you want one with more spelling mistakes than the other ones in stores you can get this one right here um no so but then i ended up getting hired by that guy

or working under that guy you know so can't believe everything you hear even the things about yourself is what i learned but it was uh an extraordinarily challenging time and so the reason i jumped in and said you know those employees at nbc who will probably go on to work Could he has PN or TNT? Here's how they, they, yes, but they don't know that.

Right. Yeah. So when I was at CBC, uh, I did not know that. I didn't know that I'd be getting a call. I got a call like less than a month before the season was supposed to begin in 1415. Um,

asking me to work at Rogers. Cause you, I remember, um, I remember that because we were talking about it on the show and like, it's like, well, do I have to work with the cage again?

Like, so i can work the entire season and they might pay me they just started the podcast you got me that tech savvy deal adam and i don't know what we would have done i don't know what we would have done if i never got that tech savvy deal because the day after our wedding hey thank god for the italian side hey the booster but but the day after the wedding before we went to the bank to deposit the money we got from the wedding um we had 900 to our name you know we had uh we had we had like a mortgage payment and i don't know maybe a couple big macs to our name uh basically and had you not helped get me that tech savvy deal

i don't know i don't know uh well to be fair you got you that tech savvy deal i just negotiated the price but i'm glad i wasn't gonna ask for that well i'm glad that it worked out but you know that's it's crazy you know it's funny when i think about back then how close run some things were like you know steve could have at any point got a job as like a reporter and then he you know be on the road and we wouldn't have been able to continue the podcast or you know like there's a bunch of things that could have happened that would have conspired against this show happening jesse never applying at kiss um and like if jesse hadn't sent in his resume and impressed the hell out of my boss karen who by the way is my still still my boss karen um he would have never been

an intern and then never been a producer and then never been brought in when chris left the original producer on this show and we wouldn't be here it's uh it's pretty crazy it was like you know the edge of a knife on like you're kind of walking on to get to this point we're lucky lucky to be here and so anybody that's going through that right now uh our hearts go out to you it's really really tough when those things switch and um i have to say nbc did a really great job um and it was funny to hear the american perspective on hockey and the way it was broadcast like sarah civian of the athletic was tweeting that you know when she's when she watches canadian feeds it feels like an event and i'm like fuck when i watch american feeds it feels like an event canadian i'm

like we need to and i think it's because when i watch american feeds for anything it's it's not hockey it's basketball and football which are my two favorite other sports other than like motor racing so um football it's like it's going to be every every game feels like it's the last game to ever get played and i feel like hockey needs to get to that and i hope espn and tnt are able to turn it into that uh because it would be really great to elevate just the energy surrounding what is an extremely energetic and competitive and amazing game the one thing i'm excited to see in regards to uh the coverage that you mentioned there adam just the american coverage the way they do football it's like the pre-game for football can start at like 9 a.m here on the

east coast like you can turn on the tv and you'll see like the pre pre-game show of the espn coverage of sunday football and it'll start at like nine and then it goes from like nine to eleven and eleven you get the pre of the pre-game show and then at noon you get the pre-game show and then you get the games at one and it's like i'm i'm excited to see the nhl coverage in the the the shows around the games because they do such a great job with that stuff like the jump that they've created around basketball that you wake up to every morning there's just a basketball morning show on so i'm excited what espn or tnt creates around hockey like if you get to be sick to do a hockey morning show yeah they have just die hopefully they create something like that

That's what I'm excited. I ain't go to heaven. Yeah. Oh, it's, I love the buzz of those days. Yeah. The trade deadline.

Like I just, I just, I love the buzz. Even something as dumb as, you know what? I'm glad to say like, okay, I did one.

I did one. At least I did one when I was working for the steelheads and I got to be on the ice for a teddy bear toss. Like fun. No, because the whole day, like as the staff working that game, you're waiting for the first goal when's it coming when's it coming and then it comes in

thousands of teddy bear and it takes forever to clean up they drive trucks onto the ice i start smelling gas i'm like oh they're driving trucks onto the ice thank god because this would take an eternity otherwise i love the buzz they got to create a buzz yeah we love you we need to do a better job of that i guess the states do too hockey needs a buzz around it and jesse it's so funny that you mentioned that there are rounds of panels each at each two or three hour block has a new round but there's the main panel they always go back to at least once an hour who are going to take it to the pre-game show later on that afternoon but i love like they'll bring in some color that'd be like frank caliendo will come in and do a bunch of impressions of shack and it'll

make you laugh and stuff like that no they sprint they do great player features and things like that i don't know i would just be nice imagine there was a build-up of all day like we do hockey day in canada one day a year it's like a weekly trade deadline yeah that's i don't know i think that would be fantastic i just don't know if the economics support it frankly you know like people a lot more money yeah you're gonna get the ratings if you air a hockey show in the middle of the afternoon you know yeah i just don't know that the money's there we'll see just don't know yeah um now if we keep going here i i do want to mention a couple of things from uh uh from Elliott Friedman's 31 thoughts.

We'll stay super quick on these ones because there's one major thing that Jesse requested we get to, and we will. The Rod Brindamore extension talks. Elliott wrote point number eight in 31 thoughts. For a while now, teams have indicated that like to rein in coaching slash front office salaries. Of course they would, because they're cheap.

And we're going to get an indication of how serious that really is over the next little while. Carolina's Tom Dundon is one owner who's mentioned it publicly, and the Hurricanes are working on an extension with brindamore who sets the tone for a really good team a month ago i heard it was a foregone conclusion but then was warned it was tougher so a tougher grind than anybody could have hoped or wanted i believe i don't believe brindamore wants to go anywhere i have always believed this gets

done but it's been a challenge i don't think you're reigning in coach good coaches i think they're going to make what they're going to make it's just you can't reverse that it's just money like like if tom dundon somehow listens to this thing of the stupid shit you have spent money on in your career you could spend it on such so much dumber things than rod brindamore he's at least a top 10 coach in this league probably top five like he's fantastic look what he's done with the hurricanes no one would be shocked to see them win at all give him his money it costs you money that's it and look at what happens to teams when really good coaches walk away washington oh i well i mean they're still good they are but have they been the same no no no i

bet i'm willing to bet they wish they gave barry trotz the money yeah because you got to look at how much did it cost me it's just round of the playoffs would have paid barry trotz's salary for the entire next season one round one extra round what about this uh american tv money coming and yeah you know you talk about the salary cap and all we can do this it's just money well how much money didn't tom dundon get go in on was it arena football or the xfl was it the xfl and he lost money on that like 100 million bucks or something like that or pulled his money or there was something and for a fraction of that you can have rod brendamore forever take that travis karina is also up in vancouver and there's talk that he wants to get that done and they want

to get that done which is good i think he's a good fit there don't cheap out on the one non-salary cap signing you're gonna make this year thank you exactly um now um i thought this was interesting if you're just a leaf fan or if you're a blue jackets fan you probably already know this but uh point number 11 text from one exec after nick felino's first two games in toronto the quote is have you noticed anything unusual he does elliot said i hadn't he pointed out that felino switches hands on the penalty kill to maximize reach in passing lanes that's a good one uh and the executive wrote good to see you're paying attention to the games that you work switches hands which is hands in terms of stick i think he switches sides i'm gonna look out for it now he grabs a different

stick i think that's what he's saying no is he i think what he's saying is is he okay so he's a lefty so you would think he reaches with his right so he might take his left-handed stick with his right hand and swing around like kind of like how tyson berry would receive okay uh passes he would he would change handedness and receive the puck on his backhand is that right now i'm gonna look for it i'm gonna look for it i don't know i didn't i was hoping that you guys could tell me because that's really we would notice if nick felino randomly had a right-handed that's why i'm freaking out surely i think we would have noticed that sorry you're asking us to notice my minute details come on now that's not what we specialize in it's gross

generalizations and hot takes on this show are you kidding me don't you dare tug on my cape i better notice that i thought that was kind of cool that's what it is no matter what it is it's still kind of cool it's surprising to me that that is something that's rare like rare enough that it's noteworthy right i think probably players are too afraid to get burned on it yeah if you're reaching for the puck with your opposite hand yeah you want to intercept passes but you also don't want to misplay the thing yeah yeah yeah interesting um okay so um definitely something to look for also um this is this is something that i jesse requested we bring this up jake Paul versus Floyd Mayweather.

Logan. Logan Paul. Sorry. Yeah. Not the one who just had a boxing match with Ben Askren has been training for a long time. The other one who lost a boxing match to another YouTuber, Logan, who lost to KSI, will fight the greatest boxer of all time. June 6th, in the same place they play the Super Bowl, in that stadium in Miami, he's going to fight, I think it's that stadium, if he's gonna fight the greatest boxer of all time a youtuber i think it's a wild thing that's

happening in reality i had a conversation with someone in person so it was over a year ago about the logan paul ksi fight okay and i go you need to be covering this because okay you don't know who either of these people are i'm sure but here's logan paul's youtube page all right see those numbers all right here's ksi's youtube page see those numbers all right okay they're gonna play each other or they're gonna fight each other and unless there's a significant game in a certain sport that day i think it was in the summer i go this will be the biggest sporting event of the day and they just looked at me like i was a martian and here we are about a year and a half later and logan paul is fighting floyd mayweather the greatest boxer of all time

is fighting the paul brother who is least good at boxing zero hyperbole that's what's happening actually in life in like less than two months yeah june 6th that's unbelievable that's absolutely unbelievable it's it's it's a ridiculous thing and it's gonna generate so much money like that's the thing both of these guys uh jake uh on two saturdays ago when he fought ben askren he made into that one fight more money than any UFC fighter has made in their career in one match. Well, that's because Dana White

makes all the UFC fighters money. Right, but you'd think like Conor McDavid... They keep the salaries a little low in that. You'd think Conor McGregor or like Chael Sonnen or Anderson Silva or just someone would have had a big payday

bigger than freaking Jake Paul. But Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar. Yeah. I don't know. Man, and what a card. What a card. on the weekend just just what it what a every every match had something ridiculous happen in it

oh the ufc card like yes yeah but this is literally a youtuber with zero boxing wins and like several inches and 30 pounds on floyd mayweather different weight class completely versus floyd mayweather like i don't even okay that's another thing how will this match get sanctioned they're not the same size they're not close so they've they've deemed it an exhibition it's not a sanction like for the records boxing match it's just an exhibition between these two individuals and they're gonna box and they each have to stay within a particular weight um that's different from each other too so like the specifics are like well i think was it floyd's like 130 and jake's got to be like 150 or within

10 pounds of it or something like that it's got to be they're both they both have different parameters that will allow this fight to happen right they're not within the same weight class so this would not alter mayweather's record if he were to lose no but you know what i have but the the paul brothers are really good at this one thing and that's being the villain they're really good at being the most hateable people and hateable people have huge followings as we've seen in politics hey and and it's it's it's one of those things where they set themselves up each and every time to win even if they lose so if he loses this fight to mayweather well you lost to floyd mayweather everybody expected that you still walk away rich if you beat floyd mayweather

which is which is crazy to think about too but if he does fake and he's like then he beats like mayweather and he's still rich like there's no losing this because he's supposed to lose so the worst he can do the worst that can happen is well every everything happened that we expected to happen and this is what what it's like when an average joe steps into the ring with a real like certified killer with you know in terms of boxing like just an unbelievable boxer we get to see pros versus joes that's what this is yeah or that old show from the score oh man i used to watch or spike tv or whatever he was on that yes so good uh guys like um yeah i think it was claude lemieux and there was a few like nba and nfl players on that but anyway long story short i

think the paul brothers just set it up they stack the deck in their favor each and every time because they've got the following to do so and they cannot people are like oh i just can't wait for them to get beat up guys even if they did it doesn't matter they're still gonna win just because they don't step into any situation where they can't win. Jake Paul went to a UFC card with the intention of getting booed out of the building.

Yeah. That's why he went there. He wasn't there like, oh, I want to see the fights. He was there to be seen and booed and get into an altercation with Daniel Cormier. One of the most decorated mixed martial artists of all time. And he interviewed Daniel Cormier. Calling him a

dick. You did? For what? I interviewed Daniel Cormier for entertainment city believe it or not no like what was he promoting i think he was promoting what was your world this week because we had when i was working at rogers remember i worked for um channel one which was the channel that was like here's what's happening on the cable this this can we context that for people so yeah so there's go ahead go ahead i'm interested to hear your perspective there's two major cable networks in canada especially well in ontario specifically uh bell and sdpn oh three three major cable networks sdpn visit sdpn.ca

for all of your steve dangle podcast merch uh rogers and bell and when you turn on a rogers box every time you turn off you turn on it turns to a rogers channel so like the default uh like the home page of your cable box and adam used to be the running loop tv that ran on the default cable channel of the major cable network that is in ontario it's a wild thing as his friend as his friend weird yeah because every time you turn on your cable box i was there there is just every time every time and it ran in a half an hour loop and we recorded it every week So I did a bunch of interviews with like weird, like I would have never done these interviews, but a ton of sports interviews, a ton of sports interviews because of that.

And Daniel Cormier was one of them. And he was awesome. Like such a nice guy, really, uh, like you expect people to be, you know, win a sport like that, to be intense, super relaxed. One of the most personable people I ever interviewed. And I remember actually, I did tell you guys, I interviewed him because I didn't know much about ufc and i walked in that day and then it came out on the podcast and you were guys who were like what that was i think that was chris weidman oh that was chris weidman yes while he

was champion like fresh off of like a victory or two against anderson silva like greatest mixed martial artist of all time at the time and you're like yeah it's actually chris weidman i'm like what yes yeah and i held i held the belt that's cool that's cool adam oh back when the ufc belts were cool yeah it was that must have been a really fun gig for the time being because like you they would have to give you the biggest anybody just to fill up the time in that channel right yeah yeah so they would come off and it was great because dina dina bt was so awesome and steve you were on bt the other day with sid six arrow right yeah yeah so so dina was so great because she could literally interview anyone like she ended up on world star once because she uh who

was that with oh it was a beanie man beanie man oh was it okay it was beanie man uh and and like her beanie man like started like freestyling together and then she ended up on on that uh on world star and then like world star like complimented her on her freestyle skills which is wild so dina had this ability to just make people feel warm so by the time i got to interview them they're already in a good mood so all i had to do was come in and be friendly and ask a few questions and you know we would be clipping them so they'd be a 30 second or 40 second thing it wasn't that big of like a long interview um so i got to you know interviews interviews interviews i think i did three or four a day and that was when you guys used to make fun of me it was like

i had four jobs that's what it was it was bt kiss and then this show and then this channel one gig and so yeah i got to interview just things i forget like i got to interview spike lee like cool crazy right like this resume is you know and i got to interview like you know like mega death and then i got to interview um oh god uh buster rhymes at the grammys and like shit that you're like remember designer panda panda yeah yeah yeah and his mom i got to interview him and his mom that's fine and i ended up on and i got on dj khaled's uh uh snapchat at the 2016 grammys like it was just stupid like i remember like afterwards i was like oh there i am and he like put me on his snapchat yeah it was just weird anyway so i got really really lucky

with that gig it was just kind of a dumb luck thing that you fall into that man it was fun it was a really fun thing um anyway jake paul floyd mayweather that's gonna be fun to watch and i have to say uh nobody plays the the villain role better than the paul brothers those guys just know how to play it and they've got legions of fans and they're doing extremely well at being the bad guy um both of their main channels by the way uh are up over 20 million subscribers so it's ridiculous sorry i was trying to find the dina clip sorry where are we where's who should steve fight oh who wants it's got to be the hockey guy it's the hockey guy steve and the hockey guy in a boxing match we put it on at the rec room in downtown toronto we get we get a ring

in there and they fight and then the loser has to rig it no we rig it to be made a draw so that we can have the rematch in vancouver like logan ksi right yeah yeah no we have it has to be rigged it has to be rigged it's important that it's rigged to the business model it's very important would you rather fight the hockey guy or coach Jeremy

no offense Shannon but I don't want to fight coach Jeremy coach Jeremy is in really good shape he's in really good shape he's tall played hockey his whole life yeah Nasher can you fight Nasher

he seems too friendly what's up gang i'm about to beat this guy's ass for challenging me to a boxing match i don't know i don't know if i want to be challenging asher man i don't know boomstick shan boomstick i call him for his now deceased twitter name he just he seems too calm but maybe maybe he's like one of those guys who you know he's calm until you push him and then he brings the pain only one way to find out fight him straight up fight him we call it celebrity with a question mark hockey youtuber oh no wow that's the match yeah it's the the two of you but you know what we should instead what we should do and it should be for charity

is we should do it where it's mike tyson's punch out oh it's a good idea and nobody gets to be mike tyson because that's not fair oh the video game yeah in my head i was like oh i have to dress up like glass joe no i got it we boxing and it was there he boxed for the championship oh now we gotta find two nintendo wii's that still work oh i don't know i had one once i don't know what happens to it but uh you're ready to catch these digital hands did you guys just stand there like this and cheat and just move your wrists because i have never cheated in video games my entire life

because the dumb thing is actually move your arms you know it's just yeah wrist action yeah yeah i may or may not have temporarily had a wee and used my arms i have a feeling that steve was the kind of guy who lost control of his controller and it went through the tv did it did it lost control of that no oh i always had the wristbands i would i would play i would play uh punch out before it was mike tyson's punch out it was just punch out uh where it was mr dream instead of mike tyson and i would play that and tecmo world wrestling until i had to tape my thumbs like because i couldn't play through the blisters i uh i was a an absolute killer at mario kart we an absolute killer hated racing

did you use the steering wheel or just the controller steering wheel steering wheel guy okay it was the only thing i had in halifax that was basically free to do because at that point you didn't have to pay to race other people online so you'd see like the flags come up and like and and we there was no headset i don't believe at least not when i was playing so you couldn't talk to anybody how would you i was just every game w's w's all like it was number one number one number one number one because that's all i did i was pouring in halifax damn you didn't have beer most bars per capita yeah well i didn't have most money per capita so that was when i used to drink at home and have a beer at the bar and make it last as long as i

could because i couldn't i had to show up drunk basically you didn't quad fist like we didn't guelph well that was there was a dollar beers yeah i could dollar or two dollars shot it for a bit but if i spent more than about 20 bucks at the bar i was blowing budget for the week adam and i at last call one night we've told the story a thousand times i'm sure but we got four beers at last call two in each hand and we pushed them together like october fest and that's how we held them and this girl tried to crowd surf and it was unsuccessful because she was surrounded by men who had four beer in their hands so we all got out of the way so she just sort of fell through a table and it was wwe and it was a face plant like i've never seen before or since i've i've never her

hands didn't get out in front of her so she should not have done that she didn't ask us we didn't know her and it was an acoustic band too it was like two guys it was just dumb like what are you doing anyway she's probably like that here i don't know probably like a successful person now who like you know married kids you know that sort of thing but one time anyway uh let's get into the press conference don't you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life you know the same way you can skip an ad i get it i'm siaya and i live in ice cove i've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way i planned and today i'm still figuring it out somehow things usually get worse before they get better apparently that's how i roll so bundle up

and come along for the bumpy ride don't miss the new season of north of north starting september 8th on cbc gem the presser s d p the steve dangle press conference now before we get to jesse asking questions steven steven i i started talking you started talking my bad that's a go ahead it's clean headline from sportsnet yarmir yager at age 49 helped lead the team he owns back to the top division in the czech extra liga so it was him and i think thomas placanis's teammates playing in the czech tier two league like well i don't know if placanis is in his 40s but yager's almost 50 and now their team is going to get promoted

to tier one. That's pretty cool. Cool for them. Good for them. Did you hear the other breaking news? Larry Tannenbaum is going to join the Raptors as their new point guard and he's going to try and lead them to the playoffs. That's

very cool. You know, he felt inspired to do that when I drunkenly walked up to him and said he was doing a good job. Yeah, and he saw yager and he said he said yager you know you can do it i could do it yeah good job there i'm sure larry tannenbaum really needed you to say that to him he did he said thanks thanks thanks i mean he just kept walking and i'm lucky i didn't get punched by security all right uh matt uh matt i'm gonna butcher your last name here it's ross warowski or love show rule of matt anyway it's

Matt on Twitter tweeted this at me. He said, you made some great points a couple of STPs ago about the top 16 teams making the playoffs. This is a hybrid proposal if you're interested. Love your thoughts and contributions on the podcast. Thank you, Matt. So do we want to go through Matt's proposal? Because I thought it'd be kind of fun and it's quite detailed.

Are you guys into it? Hit me. Real quick. Jess, you into it? Okay. Yes, yes. So here's how it starts. The 2018-19 Montreal Canadiens finished with 96 points,

14th overall in the NHL and 9th in the East. They weren't able to compete in the playoffs, even though they finished ahead of Dallas, Vegas, and Colorado, respectively. Kind of crazy when you think about it. Montreal, in this format, would play Colorado, second wildcard team, finishing 17th overall in a one-game elimination game. The winner keeps or takes over that wildcard slot in the divisional playoff bracket.

You with me? It is. This team, which is something the CFL did. They did a crossover. This team... Yeah, but there's six, there's eight teams. This keeps the integrity of both finishing in the top 16, Montreal and eighth team in the conference,

Colorado to allow these teams to settle the score between themselves. The goal here is to have all 16 teams get a chance to compete in the Stanley cup playoffs. This also works if multiple teams finish in the top 16, but out of the playoffs, for example, if two teams in the East are ranked 15th and 16th, While two teams in the West rank 17th and 18th, 15 would face 18 and 16 would face 17,

similar to like, you know, the 1-4 seed and the 2-3 seed matchups that we're seeing right now. Do you have any issues with that? An extra game or two as like an elimination play in one game? I did not understand it. So essentially this, Steve. Yes. Okay, your team, the team that you own,

that you bought from Larry Tannenbaum, who was doing a great job according to you yeah and he wanted me to do a great job as well so your team and jesse's team are in the eastern conference my team along with leo's team leo your son who is also a billionaire um are in the western conference because i did a great job overall in the nhl jesse and steve you guys finish 15 and 16 overall in the nhl my team and leo team leo's team finished 17th and 18th however because the east is more competitive my team and leo's team makes it while your two teams objectively in points better than our two teams because you're a difference conference do not what the proposal is is that team 15 would play team 18 and 16 would

play 17 and then we could kind of fight it out for who actually gets to get in so that would mean that all top 16 teams have a chance at least to play for the playoffs what do you think i can't decide if i like it because like i do like that baseball expanded the playoffs i do but well they need they had like four teams make it it was a little ridiculous baseball needed to right but every year the wild card team makes it the team they beat got jobbed every year every year because of one game like is this a seven game series or like is this a one game plan you can't have five rounds of the stanley cup playoffs you can't do that it's too much so it's easier you get jobbed for playing or jobbed for not playing so what i like about this

is that at least you get to play the game whereas in the other format which currently exists you don't so you get if you're if you're 15 and 16 if you and jesse you're 15 and 16 and you don't make the playoffs you got jobbed anyway so at least in this scenario you get to play for something do you hear who we're talking about we're talking about teams 15 through 18 stop wasting my time all four of you that's you know what i mean it's the playoff format is what it is and if on in an extremely low percentage rare instance you happen to beat the best team in your conference then this will be relevant until then you're cannon fodder shut up i kind of like it i like the format i like where matt's going with it i kind of like it but like these debates always

i find go somewhere where it takes a long time and i'm like and at the end of it i go we're talking about the 18th place team in the league and i just don't have the energy so you're just not going to participate in the debate because it because it's because your team's first i can guarantee you if the leafs were in this position they were 17th you'd be pissed let's no we want to be cannon fodder let's go let's get in there and be cannon fodder occasionally you get a cinderella story though and some of those are the best in sports occasionally the habs knock off the pens there you go i guess you're right no you know what a one game winner take all quote unquote series i mean it's exciting as hell we've seen how cool it can be with the jays and orioles right

we've seen how cool it could be no one was talking about the integrity of the game and all that shit we were just talking about how friggin cool the bat flip was from edwin um you know what i'm for it didn't didn't the jays go on to sweep texas they sure did let us not forget jesse what are your thoughts uh well uh i don't know if you guys you guys don't pay too close attention the nba but they've already gone towards this model slightly because yeah in each conference so the seven and eight so when you finish the season the seven and eight team uh seven verse eight play a one game playoff the winner of seven verse eight makes the playoffs the loser of seven verse eight goes on to play the winner of nine

versus 10. So nine versus 10 also play a one game playoff. The winner of nine versus 10 plays the loser of seven versus eight. And then that winner gets the final playoff spot. So you have to lose because of COVID. No, that so that's they did that last year for the bubble.

And then now they're doing it again this season. They said they're going to keep it moving forward because of the extra revenue it generates for the extra four playoff games. And they're all elimination games. You created four game sevens is pretty cool so i like it because it's double elimination so if you're the say you're the eighth seed you lose the game to the seventh seed then you still get another chance to make the playoffs

you don't get screwed really really screwed over because you lost this one game playoff you get another shot to face a lesser team and then if you're the nine versus eight so right now the raptors are i think 11th in the eastern conference and it's uh they're they're like two games back of Washington for the 10th seed. No, the Raptors, I think, are 12th. It doesn't matter. They're two games back of the 10th seed to get into the play-in game.

So as a Raptors fan, I have something to root for in this lost season. I can be like, okay, we're 11 games under 500. We still got a shot. We're two games back with eight games to go to get into this stupid play-in game to lose to the nine seed. I'm still out there watching Raptors games

because there's still something to root for so for fans in that sense i like the idea of creating these extra little mini tourneys mini game sevens to create these extra for these last playoff spots because in the end it's not going to mean much because we don't expect the eight seed to go to the finals of the league and it also for these for these uh teams that would have missed the playoffs the nine through now like the raptors like i said they're in 12th nine through like 12 seeds they're still playing for something at the end of the year where they could have been just giving up because they're uh five games back of an actual playoff spot now they're only two games back of this play-in spot and now i'm still rooting for something even though there's really

nothing to play for so i love you know what the idea of these actual playoff games you're absolutely right do it do it you're all cannon fodder but do it jesse next question uh steve last week i texted you a question for zoo stories yes uh do you have an answer to that question do you want to read do you want to read it do you have your phone in front of you do you want me to do you want me to pull it up and read it to you okay yes please pull it okay i remember the gist of it it was from at jake underscore peralta i assume not the real jake peralta from brooklyn nine nine uh for steve zoo corner has steve ever had to feed dangerous animals camels many times be prepared for your history corner coming up

steve go ahead i've had camels they're very dangerous no uh so the i worked at the camel rides and the pony rides at the zoo the camels i was so much less afraid to feed than the much smaller ponies that's because the camels you just feed them flat palmed and they don't even have top teeth it's just a plate right whereas the pony if i make a wrong move it's teeth on both sides it might get a finger taken off so i don't want that but you're i'm assuming you're talking actually dangerous so the giraffe i'm gonna throw into that category i was safe because the way they feed the giraffes or at least the way i fed the giraffes is they basically give you it's like a like a laundry detergent bottle the with the top cut off and you fill it with like i don't know

some sort of grains or giraffe food i don't know and you hold it up to the giraffe who puts their head they're standing outside and they put their head through this little window in this little house and i've uploaded that picture before literally type in steve dangle giraffe it it should come up on google um but when i was much younger and before i worked at the zoo my sister and i got a little behind the scenes tour and i got to feed a carrot to a hippo whoa yeah and those are some would say the most dangerous animal on earth because i think they have the highest body count was that i would just throw it at the hippo and run just throw it no i placed it um like with my own teeth into its mouth no you didn't no i did not um i can't

remember if i did this or if i was standing with someone who did it but i was in uh i was like on the outer edge of the polar bear enclosure when someone threw in a watermelon for the and they just freaking bite the watermelon eat it like it's like it's a truffle like it's it's unbelievable and i pet i don't remember if i fed it but i pet a rhino oh that's cool a rhinoceros for um so there's this video for the zoo's carousel and uh you know we we visited a few animals i got to pet an elephant as well um when we were shooting that uh right on the ear so the way they do that is they have these like pillars um where you can you can reach through but obviously the elephant can't get through right so i just gently petted on its ear and everything but the rhino um i was

talking about like its horn and how people hunt them and talking about conservation and things you can do and whatever and in between takes i had my hand on the rhino's horn and something startled it so it turned its head to the side and this is just as i had taken my hand off the horn and it boy boy if it smushed my hand between his horn and the post you're getting your hands done i don't know i don't know i don't know so i was not a keeper um but uh i have got to feed some pretty cool animals i'm trying to think of any others and let me emphasize now that i don't work there anymore and i don't have to be polite to you do not feed the animals when you go to the zoo that's toronto or anywhere you idiot there's an actual statue in the toronto zoo um commemorating

this i think it was an orangutan that died just stupid idiots kept feeding it things that it was not supposed to eat so anyway the only times i the only times ever that i was able to feed an animal was under the supervision and advisory of a keeper wow there you go damn crazy that's that's friends with fish i got to feed their fish no sorry iggy a fat iggy your dog charlie wild animal it's like a big teddy bear i gave leo minestrone soup he's got teeth now that was dangerous it does hurt when they bite you for the first time yes jess are you ready okay so this comes from at dave trw he wants you to talk about the canadian

housing market now for a little bit of context uh this is going to be history corner slash uh just inform the people on your knowledge adam because uh the canadian heart housing markets if if i think i'm correct here is unique to the rest of the world in that it's been in sort of a bubble as they're saying for the last like 20 years and there's no sign of it slowing down and it's at a ridiculous point where it's an interesting topic of conversation so adam if you could do a little history corner on what's currently happening in the canadian housing market okay so i want to preface this by my knowledge is partial and i'm sure there's a lot more that real professionals could add to this but as i understand it um the as of about 2008 2009

right after the crash real estate prices started to go up precipitously like we were talking about huge, huge jumps year over year. You know, whereas you could own a house in Vancouver from 1980 to 1990, and it would have gone up maybe 2% a year. Like maybe it was a hundred grand in 1980. It's 160 or 170 grand in 1990. You know, you have that same house from 2000 to now go from 200 grand to $2 million. And at the same time, you've got salaries about the same. It's kind of scary, actually, when you look at average salaries. They haven't changed much since the 1980s for the average person, which is terrifying to think. The whole trickle-down economics thing that the Americans tried failed. And it turns out that when you pay more for your employees, that looks

really bad to shareholders. So where is this money coming from? And why is this happening? Canada is a big country. If you look at the landmass of Canada, there shouldn't be a concentration of expensive real estate in the sense that there is. And a couple of factors are contributing to this. Number one, money's cheap to rent right now. If you're renting money, basically borrowing money, your interest rates at the lowest it's literally ever been. When my dad bought his first house in the 1980s, interest rates were at like 15%. They're now at less than two. So you can imagine that housing prices go up a lot. And part of the reason that drives the price is A, money's cheap. B, your lending potential is exponentially higher than it used to be. And C, there's a lack of

demand, or sorry, there's a lack of supply. So when you have in any capitalist system, lack of supply drives up the price. Canada also has an interesting situation, and nobody really likes to talk about this, but there's only so much of Canada you really want to live in. Now, there are people that will tell you, well, I like the rugged wilderness, and those people exist and all the power to them. But on the whole, the majority of people do not want to live in Canada's rugged wilderness. Big difference between Canada's rugged wilderness and say, I don't know, Alabama's rugged wilderness, big difference. And most of it's temperature related. And how do you make money? How do you do things that will allow you to sustain life? And it's

very, very difficult in Northern Canada to be able to do that. So people tend to congregate in the Southern cities. Like Edmonton's, I think one of the most populous Northern cities in the world. If not the high it's, I believe Edmonton's population is the highest for a city that far North in the entire world, if I'm not mistaken. Um, and so what's happened is that, uh, especially in Southern Ontario where, you know, there's, it's already the center of commerce, um, and business. Um, you get a lot of people and it's a, a situation where there isn't a lot of inventory. um money's cheap to rent people are leveraging themselves to the absolute maximum which is extremely dangerous as we saw in 2008 and like i think it's the bank of zurich or zurich bank

whatever they're called i remember reading an article in 2015 about how over leveraged canadians are when it comes to real estate and how it was bound to crash in 2017 like we were 18 months away from a big crash. And all it has done, especially after the pandemic is double itself and double itself and double it again. The average cost of a home in the greater Toronto area. I can remember my parents saying to me, well, if you can't buy a home in downtown Toronto, why don't you move out to the suburbs? There's no difference in Toronto. If you're in the greater, not just Toronto, but the greater Toronto area, the average house costs $1.5 million. It's an insane amount of money. Add to that, you got land transfer tax. If you're in Toronto, you've got double land

transfer tax, and we have some of the highest income tax rates in the entire world. And people are asking, well, where's that money coming from? Well, the exponential growth in value of the homes that were purchased in the 90s and the 80s, those families are now, boomer families, are now either selling them off or borrowing against them to help out the next generation. So a lot of fit is family money going back into the market, either they're leveraged against the original asset or taken from the original asset that was sold tax-free and gifted to the children if that family has those means. So what a lot of realtors are seeing is kids, kids, people my age in their thirties walking in and buying a house. And the most amount of money that they can

cobble together is the money that their parents gave them for a down payment. And then they have to make the mortgage payments on their own. And oftentimes it's just, that's just enough to be able to buy a house. And we've had literally burnt out shelves of homes sold for over a million dollars in Toronto. Like a garage was up for 600 grand. But the reality of living in a city like Toronto is if you look at Shanghai, if you look at New York, if you look at other major cities around the world, London, they become extremely unaffordable to purchase in and oftentimes rent in. And there are ways around that. Like London's got rent controls. Ontario has rent controls. New York has rent controls. Some people in New York have been in their apartments for so long, they're

paying like $200 a month in rent. And like, I think there's a Seinfeld episode on that. And you can actually, I think the rent laws in New York are interesting. You can actually transfer that to somebody else. But for the most people, it's pushing them out of the market and then it's pushing them into other markets. And Toronto and Steve and Jesse can attest to this. If you go west, the city doesn't really end it just turns into other cities we just the city keeps going they're just called it's just called different things and originally these were all separate cities but tell me the difference like tell me where toronto stops and mississauga begins and then mississauga begin or ends and then oakville starts and then oakville starts in burlington whatever you know it's just

all and then it's hamilton hamilton and then it's you know welland and st catherine's in niagara and it's all, I mean, there's 14 million people in a little boot. And to add to that, we're on a lake. So we're at, Toronto is at the Southern most point. Most cities are, you know, maybe they're on a river because there's always usually with cities that are over a hundred years old, there's a water source, right? There always has to be a major water source, but it's a city built on a river or it's a city built. If it's a non-coastal city, it's a city that has Northeast, Northwest, southeast southwest and eventually that peters out and ends and you get in back into farmland toronto doesn't have that it doesn't have a southeast and a southwest it's just north

northeast northwest that's it and it's just people are going further east and people are going further west and they're going further north and the commute times when when pre-covid for some people were two hours a day our traffic's worse than los angeles it's crazy it's crazy and we have North America. Yeah. Yeah. And when we tried to institute toll roads for people coming in from, say, an area that's not Toronto, but is Toronto adjacent, the province shut that down. the provincial government shut that down in an effort to win an election, which they ultimately lost, which means that Toronto's roads and infrastructure are unfairly paid for by the people who actually live in Toronto, which means property taxes have skyrocketed. So it's so and then and then people say, well, why don't you raise the interest rates? Well, if you raise the

interest rates a couple percentages, something like 60% of the people who are currently in mortgages go belly up. It's huge. So it's an insane number. And well, why don't you tax them more? Well, when you tax people more, believe it or not, depending upon how the tax goes, you are unfairly disadvantaging the people that need to get into the market more. Because if you raise the tax on say land transfer, whereas you buy a property and you've accumulated some equity on that property and we want to sell that property and buy another. Canadian law has that you can you can buy your first place without paying land transfer tax, but every other place after that, you're paying 2.2% plus Toronto's 2.2%, which means 4.4%. So if you're buying that $1.5 million

home in Toronto, you're paying $70,000 in taxes, gone, cash, gone. And so it's created a very very stratified and unhealthy situation. And what we need to do is we need to look at ways to create housing that is, and I hate to say this, but, you know, we got to look at other models from other cities. And I think we've got to do some things that are a little bit different and nobody, there's not a lot of appetite to do it politically, because remember who supports the political candidates, people with extra money. And if you tax them or if you if you vote to tax them, you're not going to get the rich people's money. Right. But you have to at a certain point look at the situation and go, OK, we need to limit these people's profits and tax them in a different

way so that we can build more high rise buildings and and, you know, ones that are eco friendly, ones that have electric charging stations, ones that are mixed use, like New York's moved to a model and Toronto's doing this too, where the first six or seven floors of a 30 floor building are government subsidized units. And we're seeing that in Toronto, specifically in Regent Park. It's the only way forward for a lot of low income families because otherwise you're basically kicking them out far past their ability to work in the downtown sector. And when you do that and you don't have a public transportation system to support it, it creates enormous incoming inequality. And then, you know, restaurants can't staff people and you can't, like, it's just, it's a bad

situation. And so I've got a little bit off track here, but at the end of the day, the contributing factors are basically low interest rates, low inventory. And the fact that, you know, people don't talk about this enough. A lot of what keeps people out of the market are high taxes on the lowest income people. So even if you make $80,000 a year, which is an incredible amount of money to make for anybody, $80,000 a year, you are going to get taxed an enormous amount of money. And oftentimes it's not equal per capita wise to somebody who makes $3 million a year. Oftentimes the person who makes $3 million a year is paying less per capita. And oftentimes they're far more able to absorb the tax hit than somebody making $80,000. So not really much of a history corner.

There is definitely more to this. It's a very complex issue, but we got a big problem. And I know Chicago's got a big problem with this too. New York's worked to try to fix it, but I think they're still having issues. London, England has enormous problems with this. And there hasn't been that silver bullet solution anywhere with a major city. But with Toronto, the expectation shouldn't be at least until we fix this position. Well, the way to make money is the same way my parents did, which is buy a house and live in it forever. You have to, unfortunately, look to other things

which are more dangerous and require more education, such as stock market things. And like, it creates a lot of problems for people trying to just pull themselves up to have a middle-class lifestyle. And that's what you have. Sorry, that's, did that make sense? First of all, you're wasting your time on the radio.

This is what you should be doing. I don't know that I'm right. I don't know that I'm totally right. to us only see if he's doing this i guess you're right i guess you're right um where was it going oh you know what new york and london do have is a not piece of shit subway system yes getting around this uh i say this city i'm in oshawa getting around toronto's nightmare let me tell you what i've gained by working from home full-time throughout all this because i was still going into the city two or three times a week um i don't have to commute four hours round trip

um two or three times a week so we're talking about saving we're talking about saving like 8 to 12 hours a week um and on in forget gas yeah i don't even know if i've double digit filled my gas tank um since the beginning of this um but uh i was spending two or i'm saving rather by not having to go to toronto from oshawa like a ton of people do uh i'm not i'm saving two to four hundred bucks a month a month i'm saving like five g's a year on parking when i think i think there are a lot of people that are hoping that um or a lot of politicians that are banking on after the pandemic ends things never going back to normal in terms of commuting and i i would agree. I think there is going to be a lot of that, but do you really think that, and I'm going to use

this as an example, and I don't know that this is the case, so I do not speak on behalf of this company, but, but let's say the bank of Montreal tower in downtown Toronto, which is I think university in front or King or something like that gigantic white marble tower across from the TD tower, which is nearby the CIBC tower, all these major banks. Do you think that these banks built these towers so they could be empty. Even if you can, even if you can work from home, they're going to bring people back because there needs to be a reason that these towers exist. So unfortunately, I think what you're seeing, what you're going to see is a push to go back to that sort of thing, Stephen. And, you know, I'm curious. I think a lot of politicians are

hoping, well, maybe we don't have to build a subway station. And the bureaucracy, too, and canada is much different than the states we have a um we have an enormous governing body that gets in the way of itself all the time there's 40 fucking committees for everything and it doesn't nothing gets done like to to get i don't think people understand this if you live in scarborough in toronto which is part of toronto you have to take a bus an lrt and uh i think two buses and an lrt in some cases just to get to the subway and we were going to get three more subway stops If you don't live directly on a line anywhere in the greater Toronto area, it's impossible. It takes two different, at minimum, two different modes of transportation to get somewhere.

And usually... Scarborough's Narnia. East Scarborough is Narnia to people from Toronto. I want, if you're from New York, I want you to look at your subway map and then Google Toronto's. Oh, yeah. Those things are embarrassing where they superimpose the Toronto subway map over different cities in North America. I've told the story. i've told the story a few times there's a family there was a tourist family from spain

and they flagged me down one day in front of union station because they wanted some help and and they go it's is this the subway line i go yep and they basically go like where's the like in broken english they're like where's the rest of it and i go no that's it and they talk to each other in spanish and the dad goes to me he looks me right in the face he goes are you serious he was being genuine are you serious yeah and the solution is well we're gonna put in more bike lanes okay well when it's minus 30 i'm sure a ton of people are gonna love that all right you know i went you have to we have some serious issues to overcome in toronto huge when i went to ryerson i lived at home with my parents in mississauga and to get to ryerson from one city

over i had to drive myself to a go train and then take a go train to union station and then from union station take a subway up to ryerson like i had to drive and then take a train and then take a subway just to get like something where if you drive directly from where i live to the university it's about like a 20 minute drive i that's a two hour commute for me i had to leave two hours before whatever class time was and i'd get there like 15 minutes before class like that that's that's absurd it shouldn't take me i know a girl with something you can drive directly to that's 20 25 minutes away i know a girl who instead of um paying for student housing in her second year of university commuted greyhound bus from waterloo to ryerson downtown toronto every day yes i'll

never and i was god i was complaining about commuting and someone told me about her and i just walked up to her i was like you're a hero yeah i was how are you still talk about wanting it also oh yeah yeah the go train costs 236 dollars for me every month or something like that it's doubled since i started school yeah at least and the go train by the way gets you in from the outlying areas and then you have to buy a 150 pass to ride the subway which has a grand total of like 50 stops two years in they implemented uh a new thing where if you tapped on the go train you tapped your card on the go train you the subway only costs you 35 cents then but that was the first two years it didn't cost that it cost three dollars like normal and then eventually

they're like all right let's make a little discount if you take both modes of transportation and that's not on top of the car you got to drive to get to the go station because you can't the buses to get to the go tracing are impossible if you're taking like the my way if you're on the mississauga transit system because that's a terrible bus system or if you're on some pieces pay for parking yeah you have to pay for at some of the fucking go stations if there's no parking available so it's like a pilgrimage to california in the 1700s or some shit like you do that five days a week and by the way our our um our subways are closed constantly for signal issues now people are like why is that why why is there signal issues that often our signals some of them were

put in in the 1930s and have not been changed that's true that's true so we got we got infrastructure issues here in toronto big time and a huge huge pile of people i did like just looking around walking around paid to really not do a whole heck of a lot and talk on a committee about feasibility uh scarborough i'm particularly passionate about scarborough because i'm from there uh but i think it's complete and utter bullshit that we got one subway stop one more uh and people are complaining about it it's crazy and so i think uh you know if you're considering moving here into the golden horseshoe as they like to call it make sure that you are able to afford it and that you live within the proximity like a close enough proximity by the way i said

the bike lane thing earlier i think bike lanes are a great thing but they they tend to talk about bike lanes here like oh well that'll solve all problems well no there was a lot of use them three months a year yeah well some people are hardcore and i pat hats off but you know what you know what i forgot about um so they closed down a street in toronto king street to cars um as part of this pilot project to basically see how it goes but a bunch of businesses on the street are like no this will kill business blah blah blah and and this this this restaurant owner and a city counselor and i want to say maybe doug ford back when he was a city counselor posed with a giant ice sculpture middle finger

outside of the restaurant protesting. Who's a clown, an absolute clown. There's two guys on City Council who are absolute clowns. There are some winners on Toronto City Council. Anyway, can I ask one quick question about that? Because one thing I always see is, okay, the housing prices in Toronto are crazy. The condo prices are crazy.

Nobody can buy them. then who's buying them to keep up the prices well there are people that can buy them yeah um there are plenty of people that can buy them because there's a lot of money here um you'll just be in debt forever not necessarily for in a lot of these cases i think a lot of it's family money a lot of people have help and a lot of people don't and that's the system that we're living in and i present that without comment so i spot it well i'll comment if you don't have the help you're fucked yeah i mean like it's the the situation here is so bad that anecdotally anyway like someone was like oh yeah it's getting real bad out in kingston i'm like kingston yeah that's

two and a half hours away without traffic and and and a bunch of ontarians oh they're getting smart i'll move to nova scotia i'll move to new brunswick so like literally this one tiny region is screwing up the entire country right because all those places yeah and it's going to be it's a canada problem and i think it's just because it's the lack of area where people want to live honestly that's what it is um so you know there you know it always makes me laugh when we see those and we got to wrap it up here but you see those home renovation shows or whatever and it's like oh johnny and gina in georgia uh are buying this mcmansion for 150 grand well it's everything that we can do we're gonna put a three thousand dollar down payment down and uh somehow we're

gonna do the kitchen as well and you're like how the hell and then in toronto it's like if you want to buy a shack oh boy it's gonna be a grant i saw this tech talk of what a million dollars gets you in new brunswick and i wanted to move to new brunswick i oh oh my god nice oh my god and then they're like here's what it gets you in toronto and it was like a tool shed look at what a million to get you in Prince Edward Island. Beautiful. Well, no one lives there. I've been there.

I didn't see anyone. Hello? And they charged me at the bridge and everything, and no one was there. There's one guy working at an ice cream stand. I got to go because I got to go pick up my daughter from my daycare. I love you guys.

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