The Steve Dangle Podcast - RITCH MARNER | September 16, 2019

Episode Date: September 17, 2019

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Mitch Marner signed (00:00), Liz Knox (@27Knoxy) of PWHPA joins us to talk about the #ForTheGame movement (47:00), donate to our Eric Lindros Celebrity Hockey Classic fundraiser pages! (1:19:00), breaking CBA news (1:29:00), Point and Rantanen are still unsigned and McAvoy inks a deal (1:32:30), and SDP Trivia!! (1:44:00). Originally aired: September 16, 2019 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/ChGDXcK0Q_c Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.C.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Rich Martyr, am I right? You see, because he made money. He's a rich guy. He's a very rich guy. More like rich money. I like the one you had before the show. Money Martyr? Money Martyr of Rich Darren Farris. I don't know. Welcome to the Darren Ferris Victory Parade, everybody.

I just hope that he knows that next season, Taylor Hall can't sit out as an unrestricted free agent. That's not how it works. I mean, he could. I mean, he could. He could fly to Zurich and he could work out with them. Doesn't feel like it. He just threatens the entire NHL.

All 31 of you teams! I'm going to get offer sheeted! Yeah, that's how a free agency works, is they offer you sheets. Hey, everyone who shat and froided it up, especially, I just hope no Red Wings fans were loving the Mitch Marner saga. What do you mean? Well, I mean, it would be a real shame

if this happened with Darren Farris' client, Philip Zedina. Oh, it already happened with Darren Farris' client, Anthony Aspenasiu. Andreas Aspenasiu. I know, it's a lot. It's a mouthful. And I also hope no Philadelphia Flyers fans.

Oh, who's the Darren Farris' client there? Morgan Frost. Oh. And I just hope it doesn't happen to you. God forbid, something bad that happened to the Leafs should happen to your team. You wouldn't want to get stuck on the Ferris wheel, am I right? Oh! Oh!

That was actually quite good. Thank you, thank you. That was Adam Zafavi. That was very good. I am happy that Mitch Marner is a Leaf. But Steve. For the next six years. We're lucky.

And we are lucky. Didn't you hear that? Didn't you hear how lucky we were? Oh boy. That we, that, you know, it's so amazing. the godlike godlike graciousness of this camp

because they turned down more money. They could have had two other offer sheets. Wow. They were offered two offer sheets. And Mitch supposedly with a halo above his head. Golly. It might have even said golly

that's a lot of money but golly I want to be a leaf. Right. Because it's the victory tour. Trying to reshape her image Are we trying to reshape the image a little bit Because that came out today Darren Farris did come out and say well

And apparently Matthew Barnaby tweeted that The offer sheets came from Columbus which you can understand Because they have a lot of the cap room And Minnesota which you cannot because I'm not sure how they could have fit it It might have been You know what occurred to me is that might have been the final shoe to drop Leading to Paul Fenton getting fired

You think that Paul Fenton would have done that Is it because Mitch Marner is lizard like And he catches people with his tongue He could have been that. Also, really? Well, because that was the Zuccarello, when he signed Zuccarello. I was like, what are you talking about? He's like a lizard, and he taxed people with his lizard-ness.

You sound like a wacky NHL executive. Oh, turns out you're quoting one. Former executive. Former, that's right. So I wonder if he was like, all right, hail Mary, Mitch Marner, and he said, what, why would I ever come there, and also you can't afford me, and then he got fired. So that could be what happened.

You're also having to assume Matthew Barnaby's right. I don't remember him breaking anything, but he also played in the NHL for a really long time. You know, I'm glad that we didn't do this story on Friday night because we needed more of the dust to settle. And the press tour this morning has been very interesting. On a Monday. Very, very interesting. Can't do it on the weekend. That's ridiculous.

No, I got to wait for the Monday morning shows. That's who I'm waiting for. Also, if you take out Fiala and Spurgeon, the Wild did have enough room. Oh, okay. Well, there you go. Enough room for like 10.8? Yeah, more than enough. Okay.

Well, they also suck, so. Again, I think Steve's first point of, why would I come there? Why would I come there? Especially when Paul Fenton was in charge. Listen, we can afford you. I mean, I wonder if part of the reason he said no was Minnesota and Columbus. What? Yeah.

Columbus less so. Yeah, for sure. Well, listen, it's not Minnesota the city. It's Minnesota the way the teams run. Never been to Columbus. I mean, sorry. I've never been to Minnesota. I have been to Columbus.

I like Columbus. Been to both. Loved them both. There you go. But I can understand. We're just afraid to offend Adam. Adam once called Minnesota the greatest city in North America on this podcast. I don't know if I said that.

Oh, yeah, you did. Remember when you said that? I don't think I called it the greatest city in North America. I think you said the greatest city on Earth, top five, at least. Okay. Abu Dhabi, London, Paris, Minneapolis, St. Paul. You said one of the best cities on Earth. That's what I said.

No, I'm just, here's the thing. Okay. So, the interesting part of this whole story, for me anyway, is when the deal got done. Which one? Paul Fenton or Mitch Marner? Mitch Marner. I do want to cut you off just to establish something. Okay, Adam's about to advance the story here.

So, let Iceberg get in the way here and steer the Titanic. I was about to say, we're going to have a rare Iceberg appearance. Iceberg, get ahead. Listen, it's so rare that you'd interrupt to tell the stories, dude. Mitch Marner's a leaf. I'm happy about it. We've been hammering him for a while So that will stop now

After the show Because we're not done yet It's We have a resolution He's a leaf for the next six years But we have some thoughts After that he goes back to being my favorite little boy I think that's fair because it happened

Now you need to do the retrospective And then move forward I'd like to take issue with what you just said Just one point of order One small thing One small correction we never went after Mitch Marner we went after the Marner

Camps methods that's what we did we never assassinated Mitch Marner's character we never assassinated his father's character which by the way was happening online and we'll get to that we never assassinated Darren Ferris the person the method which was

outsized in its confrontational tone in its arguing back and forth through the media, in all of the things that it created, quite frankly the shitstorm that it created, and would have continued to create, did not

need to happen, and he still could have had this number. No, and Jesse made the point, well, I mean, it is ultimately Mitch Marner's decision. And that was further proven today when he was given two offer sheets and supposedly said no to them. Right. The agent

came to a number that could have definitely come to fruition without out all of this stuff this didn't happen yeah and if any feelings were hurt i would like to apologize to the marner camp for getting exactly what they wanted right which was a fight from february on they wanted a fight and they got all the money in the world right so here's here's the interesting part of this for me it seemed like mid last week we got a ramp up in the well it's not going to happen it's not going to happen don't see a path forward i believe the the best way the best unbiased takes always come from you know free agent from bob mckenzie and bob and frege both in

their own way said as unbiased as they could be don't see a path forward here hard to see a path forward here right then because we we are used to one particular side being far more vocal than the other side in this particular negotiation no we heard well it's not going to happen not going to happened we heard Zurich we heard all the other things and what was interesting to me is at a certain point last week all of a sudden poof all of the offers that the Marner camp had turned down became public knowledge they were all all of a sudden reported information's a beautiful thing isn't it interesting and on that interview in 1050 Ferris did come out and say that they were never offered that 11

point whatever to Vera Steele back in July. Okay. Yeah, okay, sure. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. He can say whatever he wants. Here's the thing. You know who they always call liars? Elliot Friedman and Bob McKenzie. You know who they always call

stupid, greedy liars is the two most reputable names in the sport. If you care to read the quote, I will. No, please. So, on my favorite radio station in the entire world tsn 1050 based out of toronto ontario yeah well it's second favorite darren ferris said now when you say a proposed offer we discuss numbers those are numbers we all looked at there were different numbers that were tabled over different time spans but nothing was set in stone

like here is what we're going to do or this is where we're at it's a proposal for a discussion to talk around the number nobody declined an offer no one accepted an offer at those points We were just discussing the deal And from there That's how we got to this point So that's when he was acting directly about it So they said would you do this And he said no try again

You could have canned that quote And sold it as a soup What the hell is that Yo that quote was about as full as a bag of chips Literally just air Air baby air You ever get that on Halloween What's that

You ever open a completely empty bag of chips on Halloween No but I did always get those ones Like the Humpty Dumpty ones That are like You might get five chips in this And they might be five years old. Yeah, they taste like cardboard. There's these, here we sell them once a year chips.

But no, like five times throughout my life. Horrible luck. I open a bag of chips with no chips. See, that's not horrible luck. That's not horrible luck. That's just, that's being a terrible company. I don't know if it's hunky-dory. No, but it's bad luck that I received them.

No, let's not take this off of Steve. That's bad Halloween-ing. Whoa. You need to trick-or-treat better, sir. You go to the rich neighborhoods where you didn't even get little bags. Yeah, where they get full chocolate bars. You get big chocolate bars and big bags of chips. There was one house in Adam and I's neighborhood that all the kids knew to go to

because they did the full-size chocolate bars. There was one house, don't be this house, the candy apple house. Ew. Nobody wants to eat that. What is this, like a nefarious cartoon from, like, no. This isn't the 40s. Like, we're beyond the candy apple stage. Also, apples from strangers.

Bad. Yeah, I was taught in poorly done PSAs in elementary school that there are razors in this. And they tell you that they made it in their kitchen? Yeah. And just because I know you doesn't mean I want to carry around this sticky-ass candy apple in my bag all night. And didn't Cinderella have to fall asleep because she ate an apple or something like that? Or was that Snow White? That was Snow White.

See? Look what happened to her. And I'm going to throw this out there. Here's how Steve brings it all back. This kid, whose parents gave out the candy apples, lived on my street. This kid's name? Mitch. Whoa.

No lie? No lie. Swear to God. Wow. Mitch did not enjoy that. Mitch didn't enjoy that about his parents. You know there's certain things about your parents that are like, God, you're killing me with embarrassment right now.

Mitch did not enjoy that. No. No, I don't think so. No, he did not. So here's the interesting part. He had to eat the 30 candy apples they couldn't give away. We hear about last week the, well, the camp won't do this, the camp won't do this, and then the number finally comes out.

We already knew Berkey kind of came out with the eight years, 80 million earlier in the summer, which. Yeah, I don't even remember. There's been so many numbers. That was the Brian Burke one that I'd heard that was the most similar to this that he had heard was turned down. Eight years, 80 million. So that would have been 10 million per year. Yeah. Which I would have taken.

Sure. Yeah. But then we hear seven years, 77. Yes. And we're like, whoa. For those counting, 11 million dollars a season. The second that that came out, the winds changed. Mitch Marner, and people disagreed with me online about this, as they're one to do, and that's fine.

To me, Mitch Marner in this negotiation, from the PR side, had a decided advantage. He's an outstanding hockey player coming off an outstanding year, who has an outstanding reputation in the community. People adore him. They love him. They want to pinch his cheeks, they want to hug him, and they want to watch him do crazy shit with the puck, which is what he does amazingly well. He's a good person. He gives back. He's all the things that you want.

And guess what? Local kid. Local kid. The one time he spoke this summer was on Tim and Sid. Does anyone remember why? It was a charity. It was his charity. The Modern Assist Fund.

Yeah. But no one really remembered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's nice, Mitch. Those kids and everything. Have you signed? This is a good person. Yes.

Now, this is a business deal. So there are, to me, it's like there's no bad in this. This is just two businesses going head to head. millionaires fighting with billionaires but that's what i've been saying in the grand scheme of things nothing in here really matters no that's the great that's the key thing about hockey none of it really matters but while you're in it sure does feel like it anyway the believe me it's hard to tell myself that the wins the wins with this story change as soon as that number comes out the 711 the and here was the icing on the cake it even included you remember the tweet it even

included the bonuses that were not in the first three-year contract that Lou Lamorello would not give to him, but gave to Matthews. I do not go nearly as berserk if that's not included in the tweet. Right. But it was an important detail. And who did that come from? It came from... We'll say his name.

He's not Voldemort. We'll say Darren Dreger. No, no. Who did that come from? Did that... I thought that was Bob McKenzie. That was Darren Dreger that said that? That included the bonuses?

I think Adam has this correct. I think it was McKenzie who added on the bonus. I'll look it up. Let's check that. Right? It got confusing. I'll tell you in half a second. Okay.

The point here is that as soon as that detail comes out, because I have a hard time believing that would come from Darren Drager, that as soon as that comes out, then Leaf fans are like, okay. So now it's personal. Now we're pissed. We have gone with you this far. We love you.

We know how much money you could... We'll buy all the Mountain Dew, Red Bull, whatever. we love you we don't love this agent at all and there are people who are going after his dad which again

I said before you can't go after the guy's dad if you don't know how involved he was so I understand when Mitch Marner came out and said

yeah I didn't really like the fact that people went after my dad I understand that now is his dad involved probably but as much as any parent

who knows what I was saying the whole time is I struggle to see Mitch Marner I struggle to picture mitch marner even saying these things bingo the i feel slighted i should have i matthew's name was

brought up again and again and again and i'm like if it's not the matthew's deal it's no deal i just can't picture it i can't so who's it coming from and the first two people who come to mind are well it's got to be the agent or it's got to be the dad yep i'm not i don't know the first thing about paul marner darren dragger did have the quote about the bonuses in his original tweet okay so The tweet was, Leafs have been persistent in pushing both seven- and eight-year extension at Marner. The $11 million per offer was made in June and included the $1.6 million in B bonuses. Toronto wouldn't pay Marner in his entry-level contract. Interesting.

So, yeah, they were going to come out of Jager. So the point is, as soon as that detail comes out, fans switch. And isn't it interesting that within 12 hours of those details coming out, maybe even less, we hear later on that Marner and Dubas had to sit down face to face and you know why that happened what if you have an agent yes I have an agent I can tell you that I have an agent my agent talks to Bell Media when I need a new contract he negotiates the deal he reports back to me and he says here's what they're offering here's where I think's fair here's what we're going to go back at because there's got to be somewhere in the middle right that's what happens what I've never

had to do with my agent to his credit is go hey listen this is really getting out of control let me talk to management directly right what happened was and i would put money on this i'm thinking my opinion this is your this is not based on theory is that mitch marner tried to let his people who he pays and and darren i i i include just darren ferris and that because i don't know the paul marner stuff i from now on just assume that i don't mean paul marner because i have no idea how involved that guy i think there's a very specific reason darren ferris is the one in the media today they're like oi this was your job in the first place bingo you be front and center and deal with this shit and this is what i'm getting to yeah this guy let it get out of

control and he lost the pr battle which he should have won by the way with the average fan with that That was a most beloved leaf with them. You cannot. It's crazy to me. He could have won that battle. There were. But the second, the whole the whininess of Matthew's got. By the way, Mitch Marner, those those those bonuses that he wasn't eligible for.

By the way, he never would have got them anyway. No. The ones that he was sliding on, the ones that he's apparently that they were so upset that they didn't get. He only would have been eligible for his last season. This is the crazy part. So beyond all this, the winds change. Mitch Marner takes things into his own hands, like an adult, because he's probably thinking, well, I pay these people.

They probably know better than I do. And unfortunately, sometimes they don't. Mitch Marner goes, he sits down with Dubas, and guess what? Within 24 hours, deal's done. Crazy, isn't it? It was unbelievable. We were beside ourselves talking about how this is never going to get done. All of a sudden, Chris Johnson tweets, there's been progress.

I go, pardon? And then I think it was Jeff Merrick was on the radio and goes, it could get done today. Pardon? And it got done that day. Yeah, because that Dregger tweet came out last Wednesday, the 11th. And then there was like two hours on Twitter where Mitch Marner was the biggest pariah in Toronto. It was like everybody hated him. In literally the country.

The country. I shouldn't even say Toronto. The hockey world, just everybody hated him because it looked like he was just being greedy. Petty and petty. And fans of other... Petty's the word. I don't... Nobody minds you being gritty or greedy because you're living our dream.

I don't mind the greed. I mind petty. He was greedy because he was petty. Right. And nobody wanted to see that. And they're like, this isn't Mitch. What the hell is going on? It's just anger all one side.

It was terrible. Yeah. It was... There was very little dubious side. And I think it was coming from other teams, too. And I'm noticing a lot from out west Because they started to realize Okay, so wait a sec

If Marner's setting the market And it's all the stuff I've been saying For a couple months now, screw it Let them all wait Vancouver with Besser Calgary with Oh, they got Mangiapane yesterday No, the big fish is Matthew Kachuk

Yeah, Rantanen Rantanen is going to be a big one That number's probably going to be the same as Marner's It should be. Whatever they can spend on Nate McKinnon, they'll spend on Rantanen. Yeah, I made a video for SportsSense's YouTube channel. The two guys who, looking at their past two years, there is little to no justification paying them less than Mitch Marner

is Mikko Rantanen and Braden Point. They should both be making at least what he made. And Braden Point's most recent offer was $4.7 million for three years. Like each year. No way! Why'd you hear that? That was recently, I forget, okay. 4.7?

Did I hear you right? That was what was reported. I would have had the same laugh if you said 7.4. 4.7. 4.7. I think it was LeBron that had that, actually. Oh, my God. And I was like, oh, well, that's not ending anytime soon.

Please don't let this happen. So I'm ready to be done with this. 5.7. Oh, okay. Still. Sorry. Now let's see how the Marner contract impacts other negotiations. It's believed Tampa's last offer to point was around three years at $5.7 million.

Both sides are far apart. That's Pierre Lebrun on Twitter. So the Marner camp is dying to be done with this. The Leafs are dying to be done with this. I'm done after the show. I think most fans are ready to be done. God help Mitch Marner if Braden Point signs for $5.7 million. Oh, boy.

And Miko Rantanen signs for something similar. $2 million. God help Kyle Dubas. Yeah. Well, I think that's maybe when it turns. That's maybe when it turns to him. Well, let me get back to something for you. I just want to show you.

There's an Eagle Eye podcast listener named Jeremy Bosco who sent me this, and I think you'll love this. This has nothing to do with anything and probably is just something the way it worked out. However, when I look at Mitch Marner's contract breakdown, in his first season, he's going to make $16 million. That is a $15.3 million signing bonus and a base salary of $700,000. That's $16 million. That was interesting. He got the opposite of what was reported, where it's front-loaded instead of back. So he'll make the same as Auston Matthews in base salary, $700,000, which is funny. Yeah, fair.

Auston Matthews, signing bonus, $15.210. Mitch Marder signing bonus, $15.3 million. So Mitch Marder can sit there in the dressing room. You beat Austin Matthews by 90K in a battle of who's super fucking rich at a young age. I wish it was 93K. I wish it was 93K. 93K would have been great. Yeah, absolutely.

And then part of me, this is where the deepest, darkest parts of my mind went. So Matthews got the 11.634. 3-4, his number's 34. Marner got the 10.893. 93 is his number from junior, but he can't have that. And then part of me goes, are they bitter they can't wear a 93? I hope not. Maybe a little.

But probably. Doug Gilmore did say he could have it. Doug Gilmore did call him and say, you can have it. Right. But they can't. No, they can't. They retired the jersey. They hadn't retired it yet.

You know Dubas is like, well, you're number 16, so whoa, whoa, whoa. We're going to dig in about this unnoticeable amount of money to us. It is absolutely unnoticeable. We spend that in a weekend. We will never notice that it's gone. How soon do we get to the Mitch Marner's going to be traded before the 2023 offseason? Won't happen. Because that's when his no-movement clause kicks in the next year.

No. That's what happened to P.K. You know what I was about to say? You know the words that were about to come out of my mouth? Well, that's what happened with Kadri... Oh. He got tricked. I don't think they're going to trade Marner.

No, I don't think so either. Now he's got to put up 94 points again. 93. Well, it is time. Oh, yeah. Maybe, yeah, he should, like, hold back a little. Just dump it into the corner. Once he hits 93, he stops playing.

There's 20 games left in the season. I've unfilled my duties here. I'm done now. So the question is, and everybody wanted to talk about this, and I think it's a fair question. Is it an overpay? And I think undoubtedly yes. The answer is yes.

Now, Don LaCition from The Athletic said there's a 74% chance that this contract works out. Quote, Marner projects to be one of the 15 most valuable players in the league over the next six seasons. The expected value from his deal is 17 wins, which is an average of 2.8 wins per season, something you would expect from an elite forward, which is what he projects to be. If you look at just the league's best 16 teams, the percentage value brought by a team's four best players is 49.6%, almost identical to what the Leafs are paying their top four players. Sure, Dom.

No, no, no. Well, it's salary breakdown. Everybody's like, can the Leafs do it with 50%? Yes, they can. The Leafs 4 are worth 48.3% of the team's total on-ice value. So they're paying 50% for 48.3% of their on-ice value. And that's actually rather low for a team that has such a strong top end. They say it's the fourth most valuable in the league thanks to their depth.

There are nine teams whose four top players are projected to be worth 11 wins or more combined. And they're worth 53.8% of a team's total value. Now, if it is an overpay. One thing that Toronto has been famous for in the past Famous Is overpaying middle of the line guys Yes You're a second liner and you had a first liner season

All of a sudden going into UFA Well damn let's give you too much money If there is one person One person Jason Allison I'm thinking more along the lines of Poor guy because I freaking loved him David Clarkson

Jason Blake My commissary Yeah like there were guys Like middle of the road guys Who had a good season Went to UFA Leafs paid too much Hey was your team good?

We'll take your cast offs And pay them Like they're not cast offs So My question is Yes it's an overpay now It's a two fold question Is it an overpay in three years?

And even if it is an overpay Are stars not the ones worth overpaying? Well how much is an overpay? Right? To me, I hope it ends up the way Leon Dreisaitl's contract has ended up. Now, Leon Dreisaitl, a little bit different. He scores a lot more goals, right? Yes, totally different.

But this has been the war. So when that contract was signed, I laughed at it. Archaeology, I laughed at it. We laughed at it. A lot of people laughed at it. The fact of the matter is, when Leon Dreisaitl signed his contract, his peers his closest comparables were not getting eight and a half million dollars for that kind of production they weren't now he's a 50 goal scorer and he's more than worth it leon

dry sidle could be making more than marner right now if he was a restricted free agent at this yep uh marner looks like an overpay but in three years if he's producing the same number of points I don't think any of us will be talking about it I wouldn't be shocked to see the cap take a steep jump Now, when I said that on Twitter People were like, well It's supposed to stay the same for the next three years And three years ago

Does the cap? It's going to stay stationary for three years? Because of escrow issues, don't ask It's never happened But also, three years ago The cap was supposed to escalate to 90 million by this season So let's just say that we don't know What's going to happen with the cap

However, I've got to look this up Because somebody actually flagged it for me. Apparently, with the new Seattle deal, and I don't know how this works, so forgive me on this one if I'm wrong. But apparently, the $750 million that the Oak View group paid to get into the league, to get the franchise, does not count as revenue for the league in the 50-50 split. Say that one more time. So evidently, the $750 million, and I don't know this for sure, so please, please, let's investigate. Okay. So if you know this, please answer it.

The $750 million that they paid to the NHL does not count as revenue towards the NHL in the 50-50 player NHL revenue split, which is part of the deal. Don't ask me how. Somebody said that that's the case. I don't know that that's the case. I don't necessarily believe that that possibly could be the case unless the NHLPA negotiators are that bad. Interesting.

Now, one thing I will say is apparently Gary Bettman said that the next NHL TV rights deal, which I believe is up in a couple of seasons in the States in the States will be worth five to seven times what it's worth now, which is not hard to believe because the last one was signed at an obnoxiously low price when the NHL NHL salary cap was like a 40 million bucks. Right. It was inflation. It was a really, really bad time for the NHL self-inflicted. And that will directly affect the cap the way that the Rogers deal up here should have affected the cap. Had the Canadian dollar not fallen and had Canadian teams not completely crapped. And if they didn't overpay an exaggerated amount Sure

Possible If maybe they decided to go the NFL TV model And split the TV deal The point is here It's because they're paying me so much They just gave me all the dangle dollars Did you get more or less than Mitch? Mitch

Poor guy That's what I call him Mitch poor guy How much was your signing bonus? It was $420.69 Million Yeah, I'm sure it was. We'll give you $40.

And 20 cents. That's right. You're new here. Get out of the office. Hey, we got some Jack Link's jerky in the back. I'm a big sponsor on the fan. That has happened. It has.

It has. Actually, when I was there, it happened then, too. That's why I made the joke. Yeah, if you work at a radio station, always visit your boss. Yes. Because they have some promo stuff that they don't want in their office anymore, and they'll give it to you. So the reality here is that... Sometimes it's beer.

Is it an overpay? Yes. Will it be in three years? That's an interesting question. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe, maybe not.

We don't know. Now, according to James Myrtle, and this is, people freaked out when they first saw this, but let's put this into context. According to James Myrtle, last summer they could have had Marner at eight years for nine million per. Yeah. But at that point, Mitch Marner's career high in points was 69. Nice.

It would have been, yeah, nice. But also, ludicrous. Yeah, that we would have been screaming about that contract as well, guys. And interestingly, William Nylander, who was unsigned at that point, his career high was 61 points, which he'd done twice in a row. He would have never settled for the 7 million if Marner got 9 for 8 more points. You know who would have loved Marner's contract the most? Marner. Second most would have been Nylander.

100%. And Matthews, who'd just come off a 69-point season himself, which included a 40-goal season before and a 34-goal season in his second, even though he was injured would not have signed for the deal that they got him for if Marner had signed for 9 million bucks

there's no way so remember the thought of giving Mitch Marner 9 million dollars before he played with John Tavares and matured

I don't want to take that away from him he's an incredible player and he played with John Tavares and look at that explosion of stats for both of them

but the thought of giving him 9 million dollars last summer per season was insane and you and I said it on the radio together when we hosted

yeah that would have been the dry saddle contract. Yes. That would have been the, what are you, what is this based on? And they would have had to do it again with Neyland. Yes. Because then you got nothing. And the cap savings, like, if you take the two into account,

it's just not there. Now, here's the question. Do you believe that any team, Leafs or otherwise, can win with 50% of their salary locked up in four players? After the past two years, I think any team can win the Stanley Cup. We might be watching the Sens hoist it. What if those four players, give or take a little, play basically the

same position well there's a bit of an issue interesting i mean nancy niemi's won the thing so what do you say to people who are worried about how the defense is going to look after this season the plan seems fairly obvious no like what's the plan steve so freddie anderson's got two years left yep or well this year and the next i think riley i think has at least two years left but then after that oh no what do they do we'll revisit the defense in a minute the leafs top nine top nine forwards all have at least two years left on their contracts that's wild how many nhl teams have their top nine their entire top three lines and that's not fiddling with the lines at all, guys.

That is the Leafs' top three lines are all locked up for at least two years. I would say nobody. That's enviable. It is extremely enviable. The reason why it's nobody, beyond the fact that it's enviable

and that's cool, is the fact that most teams would not want all top nine of their players to be locked up that long. Well, here's the thing. In the Leafs' case, you do. The Leafs' top nine are good.

Bingo. Those players are... Let's do it. Andreas Janssen, four years, I think. Mm-hmm. Matthew, six. Mm-hmm. Or no, sorry, five.

And- Tavares, six. And Nylander, five. Yeah. Tavares, six. Marner, six. And then Hyman is two. Mm-hmm.

Trevor Moore, who we all forget, is two. He's not yet a top nine guy, though. He'll be- He will be, but he's not yet. I think he slots into that slot. I think he slots into third line left wing. Okay. Kerfoot I think is

3 or 4 Can't remember He's 4 I'm looking at it But I'm testing your skills Kapanen is 3 Kapanen is 3 Yeah

There you go And Janssen's 4 isn't he Janssen is 4 You said that Yeah Okay we did say that That's extremely Unbelievable

And then they have A fourth line You're forgetting The most important player Mik Patan 2 He is not a top 9 player He's locked up to 2

I forgot about that Mik Patan is top 6 Wow Second line center. Wow. First. First. Matthew's on the way.

Take all defensive responsibility away. Forget it. So the Leafs have 10-4. Anyway. And so then... That's their identity. They score goals. But Steve, will the fourth line be as effective this season and beyond?

Oh, God. Because that question was being asked a lot. I don't think I care. I think if Kyle Dubas and Mike Babcock can't figure out a fourth line, then maybe this isn't the business for them. You know what we might be seeing? It is your least important line. For the love of God, get it right.

We might be seeing the Leafs be ahead of everyone. Because this has never been done. No one's ever played their players this month. No one's ever put this much emphasis on offense. They just might be ahead of the curve on the way hockey is going. And this focus on offense and your top players just giving them everything. And then maybe in a couple of years when they have a couple of Stanley Cups on their fingers, who knows? I hope so.

As for their defense, Morgan Raleigh is one of the best defensive contracts in the NHL. It's freaking amazing. Sandin's going to make the team. I don't know if it's going to be this year or next. Lily Grin's going to make the team. I don't know if it's going to be this year or next. I saw a projection, I can't remember who it's from, where Travis Dermott's going to make 3.5. He has not cracked 20 points yet, so I think Travis Dermott would take that.

How is he going to make 3.5? If it's a long-term deal, then I could see it. Yeah, if you give him like eight years, then he's just in. I don't think so. Can they keep Muzzin? Maybe. I don't know. Can they keep Barry?

Hopefully. I don't know. But your top four, or there's four. Basically, in terms of what they have to figure out, I don't think it's as huge and as catastrophic as people are saying. No, it was huge and catastrophic when Hainsey and Zaitsev were your top two right-handed guys. Yeah.

That was huge and catastrophic. I know at the beginning of the summer I was really down on the Leafs heading into the season. But the thing I can't get past, you know, despite my worry about Cody Ceci, despite my worry about that third pair. Dude, Tyson Berry's on the team now. Yeah. And the Leafs haven't had a right-handed defender of his quality. Ever. Possibly ever.

Ever. So, it's not bleak. Remember that Tyson Berry, Jake Muzzin, and Cody Ceci all come off the books next year too. So if you want to re-sign Tyson Berry, there's your money. Could work. So beyond that, beyond that, it doesn't matter. Because guess what? The correct answer to that question is, how about we worry about this great season and this great hockey team?

That's the correct answer. Doesn't it feel so much easier to do? Yes. Just enjoy it. Who cares? This upcoming year, Muzzin's a UFA, Berry's a UFA. CeCe, UFA, tragically. Oh yeah, you know.

I can stomach that. I feel like most people have it in them to not worry about UFAs quite as much. You know, special cases, guys like Taylor Hall, if it's the best player on your team. If you enjoyed Kawhi, enjoy this. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed Kawhi, man. And, like, did anyone else feel like the he stay thing, like, that was just playful because we all sort of knew he wasn't?

No. There was a good couple weeks there where we thought Toronto were the front runners. At the end. Yeah. At the end, I legitimately thought he was staying. All of that was worth it. But all the insiders thought it was going to happen. But they proved themselves not to be insiders because they did not know.

Nobody knew what Kawhi was doing. Throughout the season, though, all the he stays, I knew he wasn't staying. I thought they had a chance to win. Then we won the championship. Then we won the championship. We thought he was going to stay. I still stand by they won a championship. He can do whatever he wants.

I want to get to something. UFAs are different. I think there's a new mood that we haven't had with this fan base in like a year and a half. And we're actually focused on this upcoming season. Oh, there are two more UFAs that are the most important UFAs on this team. Who? Nathan Horton and David Clarkson. Oh, after this season.

Because that means we can take on more contracts and get more assets that way. Is that how it works? L-T-I-R. L-T-I-R. Hey, quickly, I want to mention this, because we are going to continue our conversation with women's hockey in just a little second here with Liz Knox with the hashtag ForTheGameMovement, P-W-H-P-A. That'll be in about five minutes.

But what we need to talk about right now is something that Ray Ferraro tweeted out about Darren Drager. And I want to address this. He said, I'm waiting for all the guys who took pot shots at Darren Drager over Marner numbers

in the past two weeks saying, geez, Dregs, you were right, including some of the media on Twitter. Easy to critique,

quiet as a mouse when they're wrong. One more time. Yeah. I'm waiting for all the guys who took pot shots at Darren Drager over Marner numbers

in the last two weeks to say, geez, Dregs, you were right, including some of the media on Twitter. Easy to critique,

quiet as a mouse when they're wrong. Ray and Darren's podcast starts soon, by the way. Listen, was anyone, was that, was the critique there that the numbers were wrong and made up? I don't think anybody didn't believe him. I think everybody believed him, but I think the problem was... Was that the thanks Paul stuff? Was the thanks Paul stuff that we all thought he was wrong?

No, I don't think it was. What was it then, Steve? i think it was that it seemed fairly obvious to some that his source was within the marner camp yes and like we talked about how big is how big could the marner camp possibly be right so the i think where where it lost it for me was the perception that he was advocating for it was for me the perception that, and to be honest with you

no one was forcing him to tweet or say these things the way that he said them. And it sounds like it's gotten to him. And that's a shame. Here's the problem. Is that when I can criticize the method, I don't know him. I've heard he's a perfectly good human being. Never met him. We exchanged a nod once.

Sure. That was it. So I understand the part where when you look at his mentions now, people are just shredding him personally and it's a character assassination. They haven't stopped with the thanks falls. Yeah, and that's got to stop because honestly when you shred someone's character, then it's

personal. You're allowed to criticize their method. And in this case we want to talk members of the media well, the ones that I've spoken to are sort of embarrassed for them because of the way this was handled. You know, in not so many words they said, well, it wouldn't have been

me. And this also isn't the first time this has happened where where people have wondered about the motives of his reporting. Like, here's a troll from 2012 about the lockout, because a lot of people thought he was really pro-league. Why don't you stop working for TSN and take a job as the NHL's inside man full-time? And Dregger responded, classy. That troll's handle was Kyle Ocpozo.

That's weird, it sounds familiar. Wow. Yeah, and you know back in the day the pension plan puppets I think it was skinny fish said he should just change his Twitter account to shit. My cousin says During the known as era, right? It's not that we think he's wrong No, we we actually I think the reason he trends Countrywide when he comes out with information like that, which is what he did because we know it's correct from one side

Well, and this is the thing like I he's got sources just like sure anybody else it's just I think you gotta be a little bit more stealth about it right but I mean

he's also he can tell me and everyone else to F.O. because I'm not Darren Dreger Darren Dreger makes a lot more money than me

he's got a longer career than me been more successful than me maybe I don't know what I'm talking about yeah well but I think when you step into a room

and a bunch of people and a hundred people in the room say ow that was a questionable move Steve at a certain point like you can they can tweet at me, they can be angry at me,

they can subtweet or whatever. I won't criticize the person because I don't know the person, and frankly, I'm sure he's a great guy. But the fact is, you lost me when you started to mimic and or advocate, which is how I took it, quite frankly, and which is how most of Leafs Nation took

it, by the way. It looked like that. It sounded like that. This is a tweet from a few months ago. And this is from Dreger. More aggressive extension talk between Leafs and Mitch Marner yesterday, and expectation is more to come today. A three-year and five-year, brackets, Matthews, likely best fit for Marner. Like all of the top RFA players, other scenarios in play as well. Did you need a reminder that Matthews' deal was five years? I knew. I think most fans,

what was the purpose of that inclusion? That seemed puzzling to me, and it seemed puzzling to me for months i don't know i think criticism is warranted uh but not a sad not character assassination no yeah if you're gonna give it you got to be able to take it i don't like when people get their feelings hurt can we move on did the media cover the whole contract situation incorrectly i think everybody yeah it seems like it was kind of fungled i think the word i like that i think that they're i think that you had an agent who was leaking information to reporters And I think you had an agent that wanted this should they should people who received the information have said no I'm not gonna go with this or just not tweeted. Well, they did. Yeah, it just wasn't that one person

Yeah, they did do that though. The thing about dude. It's always awful with this agent Yes, always. The thing is is that this agent has a Manifesto, this is what this agent does and the problem is that he followed it to a tee we all saw it coming we even knew that he would threaten to go to Europe and guess what he did and And when you get a source, when you get a source, we called it, dude. It's still crazy that that happened. Everyone, hey, get your Zadina, Zurich jerseys now. Get them now.

The point I'm trying to make here is that you have to cross-reference. Your source can't just be one thing. You have to cross-reference. Or at least that's what I was told for the little I know about journalism. And guys did. Darren Farris was not talking to just one reporter. Period. There's just not.

there was multiple reporters but there were guys that were like gonna hold back on that don't know if I can verify that from the other side and that's that's the difference

and come at me be pissed off at me don't like it I still follow Darren Drager still interested in what he has to say because I believe he's legitimately connected

he is he's proven that and by the way people were like well Freed broke it 10 seconds before Drager did whatever

whatever they both broke the fucking story I mean nobody broke something this big yes and no like come on He basically, he said Could happen tonight, might not happen this week

Yeah, probably six years, don't know when it's going to happen Then Freed said, done, done So if you want to go by done, done, it was Freed But like By 30 seconds Yeah And who cares Or you could go, CJ said it could happen today

And you know what, I want to give CJ a shout out Because he came on this show After the season ended And this is exactly what he predicted would happen He said, Marno will be signed by Kim Oh, Marno will be signed by Kim He said, this will happen It did

And when you look at it Going backwards We should have seen this coming Knowing Mitch Marner and who he is And the team and everything We should have known he'd be ready at training camp I could see him waiting Until October 1st

At least for the season We should have never thought that he would sit out in a game Because there was no winning for that side If that ever happened If he hits a single game of the regular season Yeah, and the Leafs were in a hole Where they had only amount of money He was in a hole where he's not going to sit out any regular season games.

Or he could make $150,000 playing for Zurich. Yeah, that's great. We should have seen this coming. Oh, the PR thing today, like, oh, he turned down the offer sheets because he loves Toronto, and we're all just going, oh, blah, blah, blah, who cares? I don't doubt that, by the way. I mean, either. I think that's exactly why he turned them down, because he wants to play here.

Yeah, but also. Because that's not news. At the same time. But the one thing about it that is positive PR to me is the fact that it got done before he missed any games. He's going to be in their first preseason game tomorrow? Today. Today? What day is today?

Oh, I can't wait to watch it. They tweet out the lineup. I'll check if he's in. Oh, okay. I thought it was tomorrow. No, maybe after. Okay, please continue. Please continue. Oh, my bad. Anyway, he's not missing a single exhibition game.

Tuesdays. All that stuff about him legitimately loving hockey and not being able to stay away from it seems true. And I love that the best parts of Mitch Marner that I believe in seem to be true. He seems like a great guy. Yeah. And this is what I said before. Mitch Marner.

Love the player. Hate the deal. Did you see the meme? You're not the bad player. Or no, you are bad contract. Well, you're not the bad player. Exactly. And you know what?

It's not even that bad of a deal. The end is, we get to watch Mitch Marder play hockey in his prime in a Leafs jersey, and that's the way it should be. Cannot wait. So, we're done with this, but we do have more RFA talk, but first, we've got to talk to Liz Knox. We're going to bring her on. She's part of the PWHPA, and we're going to contextualize this a little bit more with

her when we get her on the phone here, because this is a really important thing. These women are the best women in women's hockey, and they are sitting out, they are refusing to play for the Women's Professional Hockey League, and we're going to talk to about why and what they're doing instead. So we're bringing on Liz Knox from the PWHPA hashtag for the game. You can check out pwhpa.com Now if you don't know Liz,

she's a professional women's ice hockey goaltender. She was a member of the Canadian National Women's Ice Hockey team that captured gold at the 2011 Winter How do you spell it? How do you say this? Universiat? Yeah, you got it. Is that right? Oh my god. Okay, I didn't know how to say that. And you were also selected 18th overall

in the 2011 CWHL draft. Thank you, Liz, for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. I don't tell too many people that 18th overall. That's a little embarrassing. Is that embarrassing? I don't know. Listen, if I could have been top 20 at anything,

like I just think back to when I got picked at dodgeball, and it was second to last or last. I'm not going to lie. 18th would have been great. Yeah, but embarrassing to who, Liz? I mean, your career worked out. Yeah, exactly. It was a good run.

It was a good time. Yeah, the only thing it should embarrass is the scouts. Yeah. Come on now. You're too nice to me already. So, and let me, let me just say this. So you're, you're a, you're a member of the PWHPA and, and this, I'm going to quote directly from your website, but we want to kind of get into this because we're trying to understand

the story that you guys, uh, the struggle that you guys are going through and sort of the story that's unfolding in front of us. So the PWHPA is, according to the website, composed of the best women's hockey players from around the world. They represent all levels of experience, Olympic medalists, world champions, veteran professionals, and recent college graduates, college, excuse me, graduates. The PWHPA will help our members by coordinating training needs, optimizing their opportunities, and driving support from sponsors, which I think that last one's sort of key, right? Because it's about a livable wage.

Yes. Exactly. Right. So can you tell us a little bit about the Dream Gap Tour? Because obviously you guys have said, and you said this months ago, we're taking a step back. You know, women's hockey needs to correct itself, and we want to talk to you about that vision in a second. But tell us a little bit about the Dream Gap Tour, going to different cities, showcasing talent. Yeah, the Dream Gap Tour is basically just highlighting the fact that when I was graduating from preschool, which is over 25 years ago now, I said I wanted to play for the Toronto Maple Leafs because that's the hockey that I had access to, and that was professional hockey, and I wanted to be a pro hockey player.

and the dream gap is about the fact that you could probably find a young girl you know similar to my upbringing and if you ask her where she wants to play hockey you know there's a good chance she wants to play in the nhl yeah and um it's basically bridging that gap let's let's create something that young girls have to aspire to because you know we we know the benefits of sport and staying in sport and we know that females drop off um you know at two to three times the rate that boys do around the age of 14 and so why is that right and and the reality is that there's no longevity for it so you know especially when you're in those pivotal teenage years and you're trying to figure yourself out like oh if i can't make money doing it why would i keep doing it right so it's about

just uh bringing visibility to our sport and and you know creating that dream for the next generation and you know it's important because as as a female athlete especially in hockey because you know in tennis golf um even with basketball there are female athletes you can look to look up to if you're a young girl and and say that's who i want to be but you said it well at the at the beginning because it's you said i want to play for the toronto maple leafs there was no toronto team that would have supported you and and and that's that's sort of the issue here is that But it's representation, and beyond that, it's showcasing of talent. Because, quite frankly, my first, just personally, my first exposure to women's hockey was when I was 10,

and the women's team won. It was gold at Nagano, wasn't it? Or was it silver? Nagano was silver, Salt Lake was gold. But it was Nagano for me. So, Droulet, and Wickenheiser, and Campbell, and all of the great players that were on that team. and so you know it's important for us to grow up and understand and know and be able to relate to people that we that we can recognize ourselves in correct yeah and i think um mel derosha who's a

player on montreal she said it perfectly she said um the by the time i got to see my heroes play live they were my teammates wow yeah see like bone chilling right like you grow up and and you know we're not far off in age and the first time i saw women talk on tv yeah i was you know 12 13 years old and i only got to see it once every four years so it wasn't really a dream of mine to play at the olympics because i didn't even know you know i had no idea how to even make it happen so i mean i kept playing because i loved it but it it's just not uh it's not as concrete as as the guys have it and yeah you grow up and you finally make a team that you're you know you feel like you're at the pinnacle of your career and you're looking across the dressing room and you're

seeing Jaina Hefford or Gloria Dupuy, you know, these people that I grew up idolizing. So with the Dream Gap Tour, you guys are going to different cities and you're playing games, correct? Yes. That's cool. So tell us a little bit about that because that's got to be a lot of fun. Yeah, I think it'll bring a product of women's hockey that we haven't seen yet. You know, the rivalry series last year was a huge success, Canada-U.S., but, you know,

that's a story that we keep seeing, Canada-U.S., Canada-U.S. So it's taking those rosters and, you know, the elite level player that's a non-national team member and fresh out of college and putting them all in the mix. And it's not Canada versus USA. It's, you know, it's White Navy, and you're going to see some names that you know and you recognize the numbers on the back of their jersey, but they're on a line with somebody that you've never seen them on a line with before. And it'll be a lot of fun to see, but also, you know, the days leading up to it

and our time off in between will be about connecting in those communities and just educating fans and parents on why we're doing what we're doing and why it's important for them. In looking at the website, by the way, you can grab tickets to this and you can check it out when it's going to come to your town, and I encourage you to do so, pwhpa.com. One of the things that the website doesn't say, Liz, and this is what we really want to ask you about today,

is there's no stated goal, at least none that I could find, beyond this season. As in, with the PWHPA, what is the long-term plan? Yeah, I mean, we want to see a professional league. We want to see women able to make a livable wage so that they can train full-time. And our Olympic athletes right now can do that to an extent, but a lot of them are still in careers. And we just don't have that right now. So in terms of your timeline question, you know, I hope it doesn't take us much more than this year.

But who knows? We're, you know, started off, we're four months in. We've seen some incredible support from, you know, NHL franchises and some major sponsors really stepping up and believing in our mission. And I think that's a good indication that, you know, this isn't a forever thing. But if you guys know the PLL at all, you know, very similar to what they're doing is they're taking their product on the road and hitting these communities and, you know, just trying to build a little bit of momentum to see that revenue and to see that buy-in from the market. Because, you know, it's women's hockey, but it's hockey. And hockey fans are hockey fans just like soccer fans are soccer fans. And I think that's one area that we're a little behind in right now is that our fan base is growing, but we could be supporting it a little bit better.

There was a flurry of news sort of all at once, and I was blindsided by all of it. One was the CWHL saying they were going to close shop. And then a lot of people posted the For the Game sort of manifesto there on Twitter and on Instagram. What was the week or month leading up to that like? Other than like absolutely zero sleep. Yes. Yeah, what can you remember? Yeah, you know, it was like it really shook us.

We as players, we had no indication that the CW was in that kind of dire situation that we would have to shut the doors. And, you know, it was shocking. and um it was kind of an organic thing that just happened it was i mean i tell the story you know the league shut down and two days later um you know our girls are over in finland playing at the world championship and the day before canada plays us they have both full rosters in a board room discussing what are we going to do like what what are we going to do about pro hockey and i'm like you know 24 hours they're going to rip each other's throats out on the a like if there's any indication of you know how how important this is to our players like that's it

so it was it was an organic movement that just kind of happened and it was um you know the leadership that stepped up and and familiar faces and voices that we've seen advocating for women's sport in general um yeah it just kind of came together and it wasn't we didn't have time to think about it honestly it was what are we going to do first and you know and then it was next step next step next step and it's just been uh that way kind of all summer it was a it was a boiling point right there was really nowhere else to go that's exactly it you know we felt like the cwhl the the quality of the hockey that was on the ice was the best i had seen and i my first clarkson cup was in 2011 so you know the better part of a decade and the product is growing the

fan base is growing we're seeing a lot more interest generated um and so you know by all indications i i thought we're you know we're set we're we're making the strides that we needed to see and then it was like bam door shut right so um i think that you know one of the positive takeaways from it is one of the areas that we struggled in was was getting sponsorship getting big sponsorship dollars you know not just a bucket of pucks here and some water balls there but getting some real dollars and and people who understand that you know the values that we're portraying here are inherent in their corporate values well it's sorry oh sorry please continue no go ahead go ahead well and i mean it just to that point sportsnet broadcast the clarkson cup

and i believe it hit 150 000 viewers is the most it was a lot yeah like outside of the olympics that we'd ever seen yeah um you know the one thing though that that i think has given people a lot of questions is the fact that you're sitting this year out and you know they look at it and go what do you mean there's no other place to go the nwhl exists and so i i have to ask you know if we're talking about sustainable women's hockey what is it about the nwhl that you guys are are just it doesn't jive you do what's the what's what is the situation there well especially in the canadian markets you know we had discussions with the nw early on and their and their players association just to understand you know what are our what our employment like what's our visa going

to look like can i still work for full time up here do i have travel insurance do i have health insurance on the ice you know questions that really impact your playing experience and we we didn't get the answers so was it was it that they didn't get back to you or was it that they just didn't know they just didn't know and so and they already you know announced their expansion into toronto and montreal so it was like well if you're going to expand these markets shouldn't this be some of your research that you've done ahead of time and you know that's a red flag to our players and you know we've seen we saw what happened in the first year with the nwhl and had to cut the salaries by 64 which is another red flag and it just seemed like it seemed like a

too good to be true option and as we started to dig and ask more questions um you know practicing once a week and playing one game a week to us after coming out of the cwhl where we're practicing two to three times a week be able to lift with our teammates getting two games in a weekend um you know it was a big hit for us in terms of our development on the ice and then you know if the expansion doesn't happen well how am i going to travel to buffalo or new york every weekend for one game, and I'm working still full-time up here. It's just, you know, I commend their efforts, and I appreciate the fact that these things take work,

but I'm coming from a place where I've already been here and I've already been doing this work, and I don't want to have to do the work again. You know, let's really make this full stride forward, and that's what the PWHPA is set to do. So even if the insurance thing had been worked out, like, it's still just not even close to a viable option, right? Well, I mean, you're playing one game a week yet.

Right. Like, that's not enough hockey. We're addicts here. Yeah, that's fair. I guess the question then becomes, okay, well, yes, you're only playing once a week, and yes, you're only practicing once a week, but the revenue dictates a lot of that. And having you guys sit out, and this is a criticism that I've seen, having you guys sit out, how will that grow that?

You know, like, if you guys were all playing, not necessarily this season, But if it was building, you know, because there's always been this chasm in women's hockey. It's the NWHL, the CWHL. Now it's the PWHPA and the NWHL. And you may not look at it like that, but there are two distinct parties every time. And so what do you say to those people that say, well, wait a second here. The revenue hasn't justified more than one game and more than one practice a week. Well, I would say the first thing is that, you know, we would be in a one-league situation had the NWHL never started.

and if we're in a one-league situation, I mean, that whole thing, I don't know if people know this. No, please explain that. Explain that for sure. So the NWHL started in 2007, and the NWHL was basically born, it was an idea that we would expand into the States. And so, you know, there was meetings had and information given, and then come the fall, the NWHL started up.

So, I mean, that's out of my wheelhouse. That's not an issue that I have to deal with, But now we're in a two-league situation. Many people think that we've always been in a two-league situation. Interesting. We haven't. So the fact that you have CWHL players, and there's loyalties on both sides. Don't get me wrong.

I mean, there's people that would never play CW, and I understand and respect that. And there's CWHL players that would never play NW. So there is this dichotomy that's growing. But the intentions of the CWHL were always to build it to a point That they could no longer, you know, that it had outgrown them and, you know, and pass it off to somebody who would inherit the business and push it forward the next step. So a few little speed bumps along the way and a few roadblocks along the way for sure. But if you look at any successful sport on TV, you know, the World Juniors, let's say, it's a hockey tournament. It's a hockey tournament that's been going on for decades that we only know about because

TSN saw it and said, you know, it's Christmas time, we're with our families, and we're Canadians. We love hockey. And at the time, it was extremely cheap programming. Like, if you look at the early 90s clips of the World Juniors, there's like two rows of seats. Nobody went to them. And now you look at it, and look at what it's become, right? But it takes the investment of somebody who's done it, who's been there.

And we just haven't seen that women's hockey yet. And 100%. And I guess I guess the thing that people struggle with, Liz, is that, you know, they they see from the outside. They may not know the history between the two leagues, but also they see the outside and they say, well, OK, wait a second. You've got a league here that's founded by women and women are refusing to play in it. And there is the is the alternate to go, OK, well, because this is this is what people are saying. I'm not saying that this is your goal, but a lot of people are speculating. that the hope with the PWHPA is that the NHL steps in, if the NWHL folds, creates its own league,

and much like the NBA did with the WNBA, creates a sustainable model. And I guess, you know, what would you say to people who say, well, wait a second, you've got a league already, yes, there's history, yes, there were some bad things that happened, but at what point do you come together and say, okay, forget it, let's put it aside, let's even change the name, who cares, but let's move forward? yeah i mean i i don't think that's impossible i think um if we take out the whole you know the gender of everything and and who started what um i i personally believe there's a bigger

divide between people who think that women's hockey needs a bigger body to step in and support and there's the people that believe they don't and i'm not saying that they don't but it's going to take a lot longer because that's what the cwhl was right okay and and is it your goal to have is it the the unstated goal of the pwhpa to have the nhl step in and have a similar setup with the wnba uh you know not specific to the nhl okay but we need the support of people who've been there done that right that's inherent uh you know that's a belief that i have um for exactly the same reason i just said like it we could do the cwhl all over again and you know there's certainly a lot of pride in in starting something from the grass you know grassroots up but it takes a lot

of time and the people that you know i surround myself with we've already put in our 15 years you have so are we going to wait another 15 years and sit and have this conversation again i hope not so it was a matter of well cwhl obviously closed up shop so that i mean i guess that made that fairly simple and then you're looking at the nwhl so regardless of the fact that the league is there it's just it's just not good enough and and so you're looking for major major uh start over change yeah and i don't think it's um you know they're doing a lot of good things the nwhl has has things that are different than what the cwhl was at you know five years into their inception but the fact of the matter is it feels the same and for player experience and you know watching

history recreate itself you know our thing when the seed original folded was okay we can take a sidestep and go back to something that we're familiar with something that we're comfortable with and make you know 2500 bucks for the year and i'll keep working my full-time job and you know we have girls that have started families or let's take a step back let's be a little bit more accountable for our actions and it's hard man like you're talking about the best players in the world saying they would rather not play hockey this year to try to create something bigger than go and and play hockey we're athletes you know what i mean it's it's in our blood to want to play the sport that we love so uh i i understand you know a lot of criticism has been

oh they're taking a year off they're taking the easy way out but like man i've put in more work in the last four months than I ever did as an athlete and it's all just to create something not for me it's it's for the next generation and we want it to happen sooner yeah I assume you didn't get into athletics for the paperwork exactly 30 emails a day like yeah it's gross isn't it it sucks I feel you there what's what's something you've learned through uh this this sort of part of the process this behind the scenes you know organization everything oh my gosh where do i even start i don't know yeah it's been um you know a lot of communication and a lot of making sure that uh you trust the people you're working with and that's one thing that uh i've been really

you know inspired by um meeting people like kendall coin um who you know like i'm still a fan of women's hockey and she just absolutely killed the nhl so yeah that was good so you know being on the phone with her and getting to know the people that we have on the board and um people that i was able to bring on from the chlpa and you know it's not just players too it's it's our general managers and um you know figureheads that have been around the game that you know they're knocking on our door just saying how can i help and i think that's one thing that has been really inspiring to me and when i have my days and i do have my days where i'm like you know just absolutely exhausted and why am i doing this um you know there's a handful of reasons and just

looking across the table what does a league that you think everyone will get behind look like is it just full-time jobs is it tv contract like what is what does that league look like yeah i think it is i mean the broadcasting is a huge part of it um but it's not worth creating something if nobody can see it and you know it was disappointing in in one of our last you know last years of cwhl to still have fans be like oh i didn't know there was one talking in toronto like that's a huge accessibility issue um and one that we have to break down uh definitely the livable wages um you know even just i was fortunate when i played in markham you know we had a locker room um our third goalie you know completely constructed herself and we all helped her put

it together so it was you know it was amazing but a lot of the teams didn't even have a home room to go to so you're you're carrying your bag to and from practice and you know i've i mean i've played i've played games against teams that we had to you know share the showers after the game like share bathrooms after the game it's just you know it we did a good job of faking it while we there but it's not professional and and i think it's everything that you know you you would think of as professionally show up and you have you know tape and bubble gum it's uh you know it's little things and that's also the big things you know livable wage so that our girls can train full-time uh what's what's your reaction to the uh the news that the nwhl is partnered uh with

twitch because obviously i don't know a ton about the deal i don't know how much money it's worth but But to me, it's a really neat outside-the-box idea that if it works for them, it could work for anybody down the line, potentially. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, anytime you can get your product to viewers, it's a good deal. And I'm with you. I don't know the ins and outs of it. You know, it being an e-gaming site, you know, maybe it works for them. And I honestly don't know enough about it, but it's the same, you know, if your game's on YouTube, well, yeah, it's accessible,

but are people going to go out of their way to watch it? I don't know. So we had Anya Packer on the last show with the NWHLPA. God, there's so many letters. And I'm just trying to get them all right. Getting things right is not my forte. Um, so one of the things she mentioned, uh, was, uh, it, or it alluded to anyway, it seemed to be a lack of communication between the fourth game movement and the NWHLPA, you know,

one's a players association and the other is an association of players, the association of players. I think that's a good way of putting it. What has communication been like? I know you mentioned the, uh, sometime around the formation of the, for the game movement, uh you spoke well what's the communication been like since then yeah you know what i think um we had our conversation with the nwhlpa and we had our conversations with the nwhl you're right see now even i'm stuffing it up right it's what but um like i said i mean we we had our questions

and and they didn't have answers and um you know we've sat around that table for long enough i think is is the consensus and um at this point having those further conversations are just not a priority to us we have a lot of things going on and you know we've we've set our goals for this year so we're going to keep keep plugging away is and i i gotta just be up front with this because it seems this way on certain levels and i you for sure correct me if i'm wrong is there something personal between the movement and danny rylan i've never met danny rylan so i have nothing personal again oh yeah and i i don't mean and i don't mean like i've never met brad margin i guess in a personal reference i meant the way that they're conducting business i think that's i

could have worded that question better yeah i you know what i don't know it's it's hard to say because as a commissioner of a league i mean you guys know this you're never going to be everyone's favorite no you gotta be slippery you're lucky if you're you know 50 of everyone's favorite so So as a figurehead, you take the heat of things that go wrong and you take, you know, the glory of things that go right. So that's just kind of inherent in the position that she holds. And, you know, that's what it is. So then let me ask you this better question. If she was not a part of the picture, would this picture look a lot different?

Tough to say. I don't you know, it's the it would depend on how much would change. Right. I mean, fundamentally, there's still so many things about the league that don't don't put us on the path of of creating this sustainable future, you know, in the next five years. So with that, then, you know, to me anyway, and I don't know what you know. So you may have this other complete bomb that you're going to drop of information later on. And you can go, ha, see, knew I had something. And that's so just know that before I ask this question.

Should have had me on next week. Yeah, exactly. But the way that seems perfectly obvious, and you don't have to confirm or deny this, to all of us, is working with the NHL. And you said it earlier in the interview. We've got to work with people that have been there. The NHL has been taking a task over the last few years on its sluggishness on substance abuse, performance-enhancing drugs, LGBTQ plus issues, and its stance on CTE.

it's made up of 31 owners uh majority men unless they're a corporation like in the leafs case they're business people only interested in making money is there a chance that you can get these people who i'm sorry to say are not always known to be altruistic they're hard-hitting business people it's why they've made so much money is it going to be a tough sell on a league that if you guys want to be paid a living wage we're talking i don't know i don't even know what the number would be but we all know what a living wage is okay is it going to be a tough sell or how are you going to sell these guys on a league that i think initially will lose money i mean i think you know your answer is in your question right they're they're a league that first of all we

have to separate the league from the owners okay and and there are good owners they're of course they're yes they're businessmen but they understand culture um they understand creating positive culture and they understand what creating positive culture can do for business and if you want to talk about you know their support of lgbtq communities let's say or um you know the list that you named off support women's hockey and you know there's your there's a whole market of people that you you know you can hit that you haven't yet and uh you're saying it's a pr it's a pr win and it's also great for the culture there you go right and yes i mean financially will it be a hit for them in the beginning most likely um if it's something they

believe in they won't let it fail and if it's something they believe in they'll do it amazing well see this is this is why i wanted to ask that question because you know it's a it's an important question to ask when you're whenever you're in and i don't want to call this a labor dispute because that's not what it is we're talking about a full course change here um it's it's pretty unique, I would say. Yes, yeah, absolutely. Well, this is the kind of stuff, like, if you go back in the history of the NHL, and the whole reason the NHL formed is because everybody hated

in the original league, and I can't even tell you what the acronym for that is, because we've had way too many acronyms thrown at us. The owner from Toronto, of all places, was the one that pissed everybody off, so all the other owners said, you know what, we're out of here. And they formed their own league, and that league was called the NHL, and that's how they started it.

And they left out this guy from Toronto. This is... And if that happened today, oh, my God, what a crazy course correction. But it was this tiny little league back then. This is one of those things where I think we look back in 100 years and go, that's akin to what's happening right now. We've got a league in its genesis. We're just waiting to see how that forms.

I couldn't agree with you more, honestly. I read a few months ago an article on Ted Lindsey, and I was like, I'm reading my life right now. like like i'm you know we're losing players because they have to go get jobs you know they they can't keep playing hockey and and they're not being protected here and you know it's not worth their time or you know their health to be out on the ice and get a concussion and then you know try to figure out how to go to work the next day so it's like yeah we're and this is this is part and parcel of, you know, women's hockey is, on the grand scheme of things, very young.

But, like you say, you know, what side of history do you want to land on? Because you're looking at it right now. And just to give a little bit more hope and context to the story, it took six years for the ABA and the NBA to merge, finally, to the NBA that we know today. And in between that time, in 72, the U.S. Senate had a bill to pass to allow the merger. so it took Congress to get involved just for two weeks to get together and look at me, well the American League

and the National League merged, it was the AFL and the NFL yeah, AFL and, it was NFL right? So there's precedence for this, it's just a matter of coming together, and what we can say Liz is

first off, we really genuinely appreciate your time and your candor on all of these subjects because quite frankly, we came into this with no agenda other than to find out your side and and you know as i don't mean to make this too personal i'm the father of a young daughter if she gets into sports when she's older the only thing i want her to be able to do is look up to people that she can recognize and identify with and so we do hope that whether it's the two sides coming together whether it's something completely new uh all we want is for this to work so we wish you the best of luck with it

I really appreciate it, guys, and thanks for your time and thanks for helping us educate on what we're doing and why we're doing it. One last thing. When this is all said and done, are you going to get back in net or be in some other role? Oh, gosh, no. You're not going back in net? What? You're done?

I've had enough hockey this summer for the rest of my life. Oh, wow. No, you know what? I'm happy to change hats a little bit and put my efforts elsewhere. So it was an incredible career and met a lot of amazing people along the way, but excited to see where the next chapter leads. Okay, okay. All right.

Sorry, follow-up question. I know we're supposed to wrap this up. Okay there, Iceberg. Yeah, I know, I know. Liz, are you more coach or GM? Oh, I would say probably more GM. Whoa! All right.

Always logs into franchise mode on NHL 20. I thought you were going to ask me if I could come out to your Sunday night league or something. No, well, we can use that. You can. Like for sure you can Hey do you want to come play with us We have this big charity tournament coming up We could really use some goaltending

Yeah man hit me up Again like we said We genuinely appreciate your side Understand not all the questions are easy But respect and Are obviously rooting for you guys as well So thank you so much Awesome thanks again guys

Thank you So true story Last night I was reaching out to the members of the two teams that we set up last year. For the Easter Seals. Yeah, and the goalie for the other team pulled out. Well, how about we're taking Liz.

Wait, no. Our team gets Liz. Yeah, our team gets Liz. Steve. No matter what goalie you've promised can play for us. We're bumping them. Yeah. We're taking the good one. Yeah, okay. We're team one, so we're getting the goalie, okay? For God's sakes. Listen. Give us

Liz. Listen, we're signing her to We're saying she signed to a contract that she has not even seen. Also, since we're here, if everybody wants to go to my Twitter profile and click on the pinned tweet and please donate to my Easter Seals donation page, that would be very helpful. I am trying to raise $3,500 this time around. That's pretty good. I was trying to hit that number for me. I'm trying to hit $50,000 because I'm unreasonable.

So help Jesse get to $3,500 No, I'm going to do $2,000 Make a reason We'll keep her going I think you're top 10 in the tournament On account of we're two months out Most people haven't signed up yet I've raised $105 so far

And we're going to try to hit $2,000 And you want to hit $50,000 I want to hit $50,000 because I don't care Adam, what's your number going to be this time around? What did I do last year? Three? You did quite a bit, you almost hit like $5,000 Well, then I guess I should set it at five, right?

Should I do five? Sure. Five grand. Set it for five. Five grand. I haven't set up my profile yet, but I will. All right. Your profile.

And like I did last year, I'll give it about two weeks. So people can't donate to your profile right now. Not yet, because I haven't set it up yet. So send all your money for Adam to me or Steve? I sent you an email last night. You did. Yes, I did. You did.

But I have what's called a baby. And what happened with that? And I'm not making excuses. I'm just saying I fell asleep. CelebrityHockeyClassics.com, the Eric Lindros Celebrity Hockey Classic. In support of Easter Seals. which supports kids with physical disabilities

thoroughly enjoyed that I have to tell you when I was setting up for that interview I think there were a lot of things about this and a couple episodes ago I said them and I got heat for it but a lot of the questions that I wanted answers to

are there we understand now what the stated goal is although I really do think they should put that on the website Like, here's our goal. Yeah. I think some of it is in the initial thing that they put out. Sure.

But it's also an ongoing and evolving situation. So you can't just be like, well, refer to this. Well, I think that saying, listen, the eventual goal here is to have a league isn't the worst thing. Maybe it does say that. And it does definitely say that in the manifesto. I just think it's really a—it was refreshing to hear her talk about it. But the thing that I think I take away the most is that there seemed to be an openness with the pre-existing league that I didn't think was there. There seemed to be like, yeah, listen, if things changed a little bit, maybe we'd look at something.

Now, I don't know that the NWHL could accommodate that. Well, that's the thing. I don't think the For the Game movement is unreasonable. it's just the most refreshing thing I think the thing what she said was when she said that league's not good enough you know like it sounds like they weren't

willing to settle for going backwards I can understand that having to build your own locker room that might be a problem yeah that's true and like having to share the showers with the people and I understood that when she said it I was like okay yeah if I'm in that situation yeah I don't want to go back to the NWHL and I want to build my own league

I got that And, you know, stuff like, well, you know, so what, you got a full-time job. I work for a living. Yeah, you didn't get run over by Hillary Knight yesterday. And also, can I just throw this out there? You can't go to the Olympics, sir. You're not as talented. Right.

You're not. You don't have a gold medal to your name. And I would admit that I am not as talented. No. The thing is, is that what people need to understand is when you have a high-class talent like that, there is value to that. And as she said, and I thought the World Juniors thing was really important, they took one broadcaster to say, you know what, we're going to pick this up because it's Christmas and what the hell.

And that's literally what TSN did. It was like, we're going to turn this into a thing because it's hockey programming over Christmas and it's easy for us. And it's turned into this massive phenomenon. I don't remember caring about the World Juniors until, like, high school. Yeah. Until it became a TV sport. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's what needs to happen. Marc-Andre Fleury scored on himself. In those yellow pads. Or whatever the next TV is Because to me TV is universal YouTube is TV It's just a different screen

I've been yelling and screaming this for over a decade Now try explaining that to our broadcasting friends And they do not get that But the Twitch deal with the NWHL Is an interesting one Because it's hitting people where you want Growth market 1834s

You want 1834s because they're the ones that will be with you the rest of their lives And if you can hit them there Where they already are Like, what I keep saying, we have this thing in media where we, they want to, it's the bread analogy, which someone, someone, someone gave me the other day and I thought it was a really great analogy, so I'm going to quote them, but I won't say the name of the person that said this. They said, listen.

It was Darren Dreger. No, it was not Darren Dreger. It was Darren Ferris. Ferris, yes. It was Paul Marner. It was the Ferris wheel himself. No, it was, okay, so the, so what do you do? What do you do to sell a loaf of bread?

How do you bring up the cost of a loaf of bread? Well, you make the bread and you try to jack up the price. But when no one buys it at your price, what do you do? Well, you buy, hopefully, the grocery store that it's sold in. You try it again. Still nobody. Then what do you do? Well, you buy the farms that the bread's made on.

So you're buying the entire process of making the bread. You buy the ovens. You buy whatever it is it takes. And then you buy up all the other farms. and then all of a sudden you can jack the price up because that's the only price people can pay. And that's sort of what's happened with bread, believe it or not, in real life.

With broadcasting, for the longest time, the broadcasters owned, at least in Canada, cable companies. They owned the bread, they owned the farm, and they owned the store. Before that, there were four channels. There was NBC, ABC,

CBS, and then what was the other one? there's three big ones and then your local broadcaster and Fox is a little bit later on and there's public broadcasters WNED shoutouts the point here is that

broadcasters right now are still trying to control, like cable companies are still trying to be cable companies they're still trying to be the guys that service you the cable and what's happened is the younger public has moved on

and they are on Twitch and they're on YouTube and there i mean we are a perfect example of that we are a show that exists without a major network support and always have we've been associated with a major network but we have never been supported by one we've always owned the show yes and we will continue to own the show we own all the rights this is ours the point i'm trying to make here is that if i think i have to applaud the nwhl for that twitch deal because i think that's that's really really smart and maybe it can be a forerunner for something else yes exactly and i wonder if when people come together it's like okay that's that's a part that's different you know what i mean that's the type of stuff

that creates change and and maybe if the nwhl is associated with this at the end of it maybe it folds maybe it doesn't but when the players inevitably come together because they have to and they know that both sides know that whether it's a new league or this league something like that is going to be really key something like that is going to change the game for them eventually making those games available and you know TSN when it started broadcasting

the World Juniors was a premium cable channel you paid an extra two dollars a month which my parents thought was outrageous that is outrageous but I wouldn't let them drop it

because it's the only channel I used to watch I loved it I think that it is very very interesting watching watching this happen because I think

what we're seeing is history sort of unfolding right now And if you're not paying attention, I think you're missing out. Because this is fascinating stuff. And we have no idea where it's going to go. The Eureka moment's coming.

You think so? Well, I don't know. I think we're still far off. I think it's going to take a while. No, yeah, it's going to take a while, but it's coming. And it's, I can picture it. Whereas, like, with, it's a little cruel to say, but like with the CWHL, there was always this, I'm fully rooting for you

thing, but I'm like, how does this how does this happen? I think I mentioned it last show Saskia and I interviewed Cassie Campbell-Pascal about it and she's like, this can't work and she was on the board for the CWHL and like, once a year we go hooray for the all-star game

and it gets on TV and it does numbers and that's it Chessie, we have breaking news? We have breaking news. Steve Dangle you are going to be the most happy about this breaking news Please read this tweet from our dear friend, reporter Chris, Chris Johnston. Oh, interesting. Okay.

The NHLPA has decided not use... I think Chris might have misspelled his own tweet. The NHLPA has decided not to use its option to reopen the CBA. The current agreement now runs through September 15th, 2022. Hey. Guys, guys, we're going to be okay for a little while longer. Yeah. But then we won't.

But then we won't. Shut up. Three years is good. That sounds like three years from now is a problem. You know how much smaller my mortgage is going to be? Marginally. Most of the interest. Most of the interest.

It's not going to move. Marginally. God damn it. I hate this thing. You know, that gives us three years to warm up to the KHL or Swiss League. so we at least have something to fall back on. Yeah, and think of how many KHL teams will be invented and disbanded during that time. It's very interesting.

I was listening to my favorite radio station and the best radio station in the city of Toronto. Oh, what were they saying on SportsCenter? TSN 1050, and I was listening to... I can't believe he's not saying Virgin Radio. I don't know how to feel about that. You can't really compete with TSN 1050, the best radio station in the city of Toronto. Sports coverage, second to none. I was listening to the best radio station in the city of Toronto, TSN 1050, and our dear friend Bob McKenzie was on it, and he was talking about this deal, and he was saying how if they opt in and they choose to reopen the CBA, and not to reopen the CBA, that they could still go back to the owner side,

And they could negotiate a three or four year extension that would change some things in the current CBA and extend this current agreement three or four plus years. So a total of seven or six years. So this wouldn't be CBA 2, this would be CBA Vice City. Exactly, 1.5, Lion King 1.5. Okay. Interesting, I like that. Super Mario is a lost level. So that's also an option in this agreement right now.

Sure seems more productive to do that than to sit out a season every time you want to change the detail. Right, right. So we'll see if that comes to fruition in the next couple of days. By the way, I want to thank the Purolator truck for mentioning that they're driving by today. And by the way, they're hiring. They're hiring. They must know that they're on this show every time. It's starting to seem like it's a promo.

I honestly think it is. I think they know. No. These windows are blocked out. You actually can't see. I've tried. You know, Jesse. You can't see from the other side.

Mr. Logical. Yeah, so. Shut up. I'm sorry. Shout out to our YouTube audience, though. Shout out to our YouTube audience. We never shout them out enough. Oh, we don't.

The people who watch on YouTube. Hey, bros and bros. Click like and subscribe. Well, it's smash time. Hey, so the fact that the other NHL GMs don't like the Marner deal, it's probably a good thing for the Leafs, eh? Good. That sounds like the rest of the 30 of you lot problem.

And we were talking about Tampa Bay and Colorado. But just to wrap on those guys again, because I think we sort of rushed through it. Just throw it out there. Ranting it in point. What do they get? When do they get it? Point, a bridge deal seems to be the only option. There's no room in Tampa.

There's nothing. Right. So they only have, I think it's like eight something. He should get the rest of it. He should, if it's a two or three year deal. Or leave $50,000 like the Leafs have between them and the cap. Because that's all they have. $47,000.

If your point, you want as little as possible. Or sorry, it's not as little as possible. As short term as possible Do you do a one year deal? That kicks the can down the road a bit It's only going to go up Dude if Marner is getting a hair under 11 now Jeff Skinner is getting 9.5

Like you think this is going down? This train doesn't slow down Right? So if you're Tampa you try to get at least two But if you're Point I don't see any incentive to do We don't see More than three But I'd try to

Even keep it at two It's 8.467 Is all the money In the world So I would say Eight Give me eight And here's

Here's the fun part And he's justified In asking for it In the NBA You see a lot of guys Going on like One or two year deals You've seen one guy

Do the bet on himself Deal at mega millions Like I mean Like Andreas Janssen did it But he did it for like 715 grand Blah blah blah Whatever

Yeah William Carlson 4.9 million I think Last year Or 5.1 Yeah Yeah, and then he bet on himself, and I think this offseason he got a six-year deal or something. Five or six years.

He got money. Yeah. If I'm Braden Point, betting on myself. Because even if I have a bad year this year, you know it's just a one-off because I've been so good before. If you're Braden Point, I just don't see the incentive to go longer than two years. I would do one. You play ball with your team who has an incredible window. You could win the cup this year and next if you sign a two-year deal.

But the type of player he is Over the past two seasons He has fallen I think three points short And two points short of Marner He's scored five fewer points Over the last two seasons 25 more goals

He had 41 last year There is no reason To suggest he is worth less than Marner Especially the fact that he plays center Mikko Rantanen Is super interesting because Marner, 94 last season, 69 the year before, which is nice, but it's not 94.

Rantanen has been over 80 in each of the past two seasons. And you guys call me crazy for saying he's one of the best players. No one said he wasn't one of the best players. And he had 87 last year. Might be better than Marner. He had 87 last year, which is not 94. Ah. Ah.

He only played 74 games. Ah. 87 points divided by 74 games, 96 point base. How many goals? Over 30 in each of his last two. 31. 31. 29 the year before.

29, okay, so he's got 30 this year. Can't even score a 30. Yeah. Ah, but 30 on the button. Average over his last two. That's true. Yeah. Math.

You should be an owner. Sure. Mathematician Steve Dangle over here. He's a mathy guy. Now, here's what's amazing. Colorado should be able to afford to pay him whatever they want. They got McKinnon locked up to the best contract in the league. They got Nazem Kadri, who's on this wicked contract.

There's no way this doesn't get done, right? Yes. Except for when does Landeskog expire? Making five point whatever. Mr. Landeskog expires in two years. Two years? They have some time. They have some time.

What do you mean? But if, like, Braden Point has to sign a bridge deal. There's no other option. unless he's getting taken from that team. Colorado has $15 million in cap space. This isn't a problem. This year. Go sign Rantanen to whatever they need.

The next two years, it's not a problem. But going forward... You can't tell Colorado they have to worry about three years from now if you're not telling the Leafs. You're 100% right, which is why I think Rantanen should get termed like Marner did. And there's no reason it should be less than $11 million. It should be $10.9.

It should be $10.894. is what it should be. What if a penny more than Marner? A penny more than Marner and he changes his number to 34. Just to tell Soderbergh, listen, it's funny. And you just deal with it.

I'm just doing it for the league. TSN legal analysts, and forgive me if I pronounce this name incorrectly, Eric Macramella, Eric on sports law, said in a predictable move, the NHLPA has advised

it will not update if the CBA hot talks continues. The key issues for the players are defining hockey-related revenue. So that's interesting because that goes back to my point way back where I was saying I'm not sure that the Seattle franchise counts as hockey-related revenue. I don't know.

Capping escrow may be a good compromise as well. As for the hockey-related revenue, the players share in the revenue, that may be contentious. Gambling, and I would imagine it would be contentious because maybe that Seattle money doesn't count, which sucks. Gambling revenue will create significant stream of revenue that players will want a share of. Yeah. No kidding.

And absolutely should have a share of. Like, are you kidding me? Yeah. So, and it's funny because it's like, wow, we're making so much money. Let's argue over it. The future of sports in America, whenever in-game betting is legalized across the board, across the country, is you sitting on your phone in a stadium saying, hey, they're going to score a goal in this period.

I'm going to put $10 on that. You just punch up the NHL app and you do it. Yeah, I think it's all different forms of gambling. One of the most fun on-my-phone moments I've had at a sporting event is I can't remember which year it was that the Jays played. They lost in the ALCS That would have been to Kansas City I can't remember if it was to Kansas or to Cleveland

Oh, sorry Wasn't one of the years Cleveland? I can't remember if it was to Kansas or Cleveland But I was at a game with Mrs. Dangle And during the game You know, the Jays, instead of getting eliminated They won And they were obviously going to win

So we go, okay And we bought tickets to the next day's game we kept updating the ticket page to see how much the tickets went up inning by inning by inning

and like by the end of it it's like wow if we waited like another hour we would have had to pay like another 30 bucks for these tickets it's all gambling

yeah I don't know that would have been the loss of 2016 loss of the Indians and the ALCS so yeah

I think it was I think it was that anyways shucks we'll see if that's revenue for the players or the league

very very interesting Or the stadium. Leafs made some cuts at camp. I just want to quickly mention this, and all teams are right now. But the one guy's name that came up, it's mostly junior guys that were cut, but SDA. Aw. But he had like eight goals last year, right? He needs to go back and get his shit together.

The hype was warranted. He had a good preseason rookie tournament. He looked like exactly the sort of guy you bet on when he was picked, which I think was the third round. Okay, now let's let him go back to junior and rip it up. Yep. And he didn't. He had one fewer point, or one less point, than Liam Kirk, another undersized forward, drafted in the seventh round same year.

So could they have had him play a preseason game tomorrow? Sure. But there's no point. He's not making the team. He's not going to the A. No, and he played a little bit at ECHL last year because Peterborough was out so early, and that was part of the problem. He's got to go back to junior, and he's got to rip it up.

And he's going to do that if he starts with them as soon as possible. Charlie McAvoy has re-signed. Also noted defender, Nick Robertson. Yes, yes. Sent to the Peterborough Beats. Charlie McAvoy re-signed, so did Ivan Provorov since our last show. Interesting, both were at pretty good cap hits. But I wondered with McAvoy.

That's an interesting one. Here's an interesting thing. Okay, so Boston's core their top three or four guys have been locked up for a while Bergeron Marshan Chara Rask right all in the 30s all in their 30s now all in the 30s and all extremely successful in their 30s totally With a charge it was 40. Yeah, see part of the thing people ask about where Kyle Dubas is Why didn't he have more leverage? I think the Bruins had more leverage than with McAvoy than the Leafs would have had with Marner because because their core you know who their core is and charlie mcavoy will become and is going to be a

part of that core if he's not already right no he is he is however charlie mcavoy looks at a team that just made the stanley cup finals and went how can i not want to be a part of this i'll make my i'll make my ridiculous sum of money in three years but for the leafs when they sign these guys they don't have that older core to say here's an opportunity with these guys at the window they haven't gotten out of the first round yet so i wonder if that sort of worked against them too whereas you know it's an easier sell with charlie mcavoy because it's like yeah you're gonna learn under these great guys and yeah it's gonna be awesome and yeah we just made the stanley cup finals whereas with the leafs it's like marner we need you because we can't get out of the first

round i think i think with mcavoy it's interesting that the guy who i think it applies to the most even though they don't play the same position is brock besser um i think that's going to be really interesting. Because the Canucks, Charlie McAvoy is needed by the Bruins, but the Canucks, Brock Besser's a part of that young core that eventually in 10 years will be Marsha and Bergeron, Chara, Rask, hopefully

for the Canucks. It's not that. It's that Besser's an unbelievably talented player. We know that. McAvoy's an unbelievably talented player. We know that. Can't stay healthy. That's the issue. So throwing a huge

eight-year contract at either of those guys, does come with a risk. It might end up paying wicked dividends. Knowing that it's the Bruins, it probably will. But, um, there is reason to be cautious here.

Injuries are afraid of the Bruins, by the way. They're afraid of getting beaten up and punched in the face. It's true. It's intimidation. So, with Boston, I mean, you got a clear window while these guys are still, you know, can you call Bergeron in his prime friggin bastard won't slow down i don't know if he's ever not been in his prime

since he hit his prime i think he's remained there marshan's uh definitely in there uh posternak's creeping up krug is creeping up this is probably char's last season uh a short-term deal makes sense on a lot of fronts here but mcavoy is gonna get friggin paid yeah at the end of it yeah he is that sounds like a three years from now let's do the press The Presser SDP The Steve Dangle Press Conference You guys got some paper?

You guys got some pens? I can fetch I got pens I got a piece of paper right now Here's a pen You got a pen? I'm gonna check No you can't, don't write on this

Right on this You got something you can write on? There you go I got my old Adam and Steve one. Glad you checked. Today's trivia is courtesy of GuapoMan.

GuapoMan. 17 on Reddit. Or it came Penaz. Penaz. Penaz. Remember, include that in your name, otherwise you're not a real fan. If you don't include Penaz in your name, do you even listen to Steve Danglepot?

Penaz John. Penaz Josh. Penaz. okay anyway also i got a nhl 20 because i had pre-ordered so that landed on my console on friday i should play it yeah so i gotta we gotta do a little review next episode or something we should also can i mention that the other day i was playing red dead then a notification popped up in the corner it said nhl 20 is ready which i found very perplexing because i did not pre-order it, I did not buy it, and I did not put in a code. So I just

have NHL 20. What? The full game? The full-ass game. And they sent it to your PSN? That's cool. I didn't do anything for it. Man, I should turn on my PSN. No one messaged me. Damn it. No one emailed me. The life of Steve Daigle. I don't... Does nothing, NHL

20 ends up on its console? Well, Jesse, if you play the game, you will believe that it was a glitch. So... Alright. Whoa. That's for next episode. Whoa. Have you played? Yes. And? Not a fan?

It sounds like you're not a fan. Passing's really, really hard. Oh, it's hard. That's the problem. It's not that it's bad. It's hard. All right. We'll talk about that next episode.

There's a little tease for it. Sure. All right. We'll both play it. We'll both have our reviews. That's the interesting thing with Steve. You've got to make that distinction. Is it bad or is it difficult?

Listen, they're one and the same. And honestly, why would you develop passing? You've never bothered to this point. Wow. I didn't know you knew where the pass button was. Yeah, exactly. All I have are assists so far. You know where the R2 button is?

Yeah, I do. Wow. All right, let's do this. I'm shocked. It's the same button I used to shoot you in the face in Red Dead. So, GuapoMan17 compiled the list of rookie records on a Reddit page that were broken in the 2016-2017 season. Oh, boy.

So, there were 12 records broken that season. Okay. We're going to run through all 12. Oh, my God. And for the ones where it's not a team record, I'm going to get you to give me the number and the player. Oh, my God. So those questions will be worth two points.

Okay. For all of these that are numbers-based, it'll be easy because you don't need to come up with a name, you don't need to use your noggin, you just need to guess a number. Okay. It'll be closest to without going over. If you go over, you lose.

Okay. All right. All right. First, record broken. Total rookie goals. What's your number? Got it. So Steve knows the answer to this.

Oh, total, the whole team. Total goals scored by rookies. Oh, damn. Oh, shoot. Yeah. So the total number throughout the season of goals scored by rookies. Okay. This is a record they broke in 2006.

Isn't that crazy? They broke it in 2006? 16-17. All of these records come from the 16-17 season. Man, that's got to be Leafs, though. They broke 12 records, yeah, yeah. So these are all Leafs records. Closest without going over?

Closest without going over. How many total rookie goals did they have? Okay. Let me see your papers. Steve, what's your number? 115, Steve? Adam? 100.

100. 123. Oh! All right, Steve gets one. Steve gets one. All right, next one. Does Connor Brown have that 20 goals? season two. Yeah, that's right. Right? Yeah. They put up

a lot of points. Yeah. Goals by a rookie. What's the name of the player that set the record and how many goals did he score? Okay. Closest two without going over. Steve Dango, Austin Matthews, 40. Adam Wiles.

Austin Matthews, 40. Raise your paper. Oh, I didn't write it down. I didn't know if you wanted me to write it down. Damn it, Adam. I believe you. You gotta write it down every time. Sorry, I'll write it down. You both got two points. You both got two points on that question. Steve's up. 3-2. I don't need to keep track of the score then, right?

Please do. Oh, please do? Please do. 3-2. It's 3-2. You got one point on the first question, and then you got two points for the player and the name. Oh.

Yeah. Okay. Closest to adding your points. Closest to adding your points without going over. 3-2. All right. Most points by a rookie. Who had it?

Name of the player, and how many points did he score in the 2016-2017 season? Okay. Which rookie scored the most points that year? How many points was it? Adam Wilde Austin Matthews 69 Steve Dangle

Matthews 69 Alright Steve's still up by one Is that two points? That's two points for each of you Alright Most assists by a rookie in a single season this player set the record

that year? Now, there's two players. Is it Marner or is it Nylander? Now, I know that they tied for points. So the question is, who scored more goals? Uh, okay. I don't know.

Most assists by a rookie in the 2016-2017 season? Steve Dangle, what's your answer? Steve Dangle has Marner 40. Adam Wild, who do you got? I say Nylander 41. You each get a point. The number

is 42. Adam gets the number closest, and the player is Mitch Marner. Okay. So you each get a point there. Steve's still up by one. Wait. How many assists did you say? I said 40. So you were closest. The answer is 42.

You priced this right Yeah Damn Yeah It's so close You still got a point This one Alright

I'm sweating This is tough Most power play goals Who scored the most power play goals by a rookie And what was the number And this is 16-17 They're all 16-17 Us from two years ago would be slapping us now

How do you forget this Magical season It's crazy that they set all these records It's interesting Interesting about this one Rookie power play goals. Mm-hmm. Okay.

Yeah. I don't want to say anything because... Yeah, don't give him any hints. That's why you got a paper. I mean... What's the number of power play goals this rookie scored that season? And who's the rookie? Okay.

Steve, what's your number? Who's your name? Matthew's 12. Adam? Nylander 10. Adam gets one point. The correct answer is Nylander 9. So Steve is over and incorrect.

Damn. Adam, it's tie ball game. I'll tell you why I went. Sorry, I looked like I was going to show the pen to you. I'll tell you why I went Nylander on that. Because all anybody can talk about is how prolific Matthews is at even strength. Even strength scoring. But he just scored so many goals.

I was like, he could have the most even strength goals and power play goals. Because it was 40 goals. All right. Sorry, Desi. No, that was the record. You guys are tied now. All right. Total rookie points.

This is a single point question. By everybody. By everybody. How many points did the Leafs rookies put up in the 0-16, 0-17 season? What's the total number of points put up by their rookies that year? I'm trying to do, like, quick maths. You're trying to count them all up? Yeah.

Don't forget guys like Zaitsev and Hyman and Nylander and Matthews and Marner. All rookies. Brown was a rookie that season, too. A whole bunch of them. Any goalies who may have had an assist. Any goalies, yeah. You know, Enroth wasn't a rookie. Remember that?

Yeah, yeah. Remember how he was briefly a thing? Oh, well, now I gotta do... What's your, uh... Can you trust me to use my calculator? No, you're not allowed to use your calculator. Damn it, now I gotta do math? That's unfair.

This is stupid. Adam, do you have a number written down? Still thinking? You're gonna go $1, Bob? Who's the new guy who owes prices right? Drew Carey is. Drew Carey. Not the other Drew Carey.

All right, I got my number. One of the two Drew Careys, Austin. Ready? All right, what's your number? Where am I looking? The bottom. Oh. I circled mine.

$295, Steve has. I say $280. $280. Adam Wilde in the lead. No, no, you have a higher number, right? I said $295. No, Steve's tied. How many was it?

It was $304. $304? Yeah, Steve's tied. No, Steve's up by one again, because we were tied. Oh, you were tied. Steve's up by one. Ah, 3-0-4. Because I was like, Connor Carrick was a rookie.

You know what I mean? I was like, how many points did he have? Zaitsev had 36. All right. Anyway. Back to the power play. Damn it. Leafs, this season, a Leafs player set the record for most power play points by a rookie.

What's the name of this Leaf? How many points did he score on the PP? He got PPP, power play points. Is this in that same season? They're all 16-17. All of these records are set in the 16-17 season. Which rookie? This is great trivia.

And the number? And the number. This question's worth two points. I know the person. Hundo P, I know the person. Adam knows the person. Steve Dangle says Marner, 18. Adam Wilde, who are you saying?

Marner, 30. Steve Dangle gets a point. Ah, it's Nylander 26. Whoa People forget right? Yeah, you're sleeping on him. We sleepin on him Well, I thought Marner because of the domination of JVR in front of the net, right? Yeah, and one also that line like really had a hard time five and five. Yeah, but he still put up a ton of points Yeah, so now Steve's up to Steve is up to all right

this player set the record for longest point streak by a rookie? No, I don't know this one. How many games? Which rookie? How many games did he have a point streak, and which rookie was it? Was it before or after he hit the wall?

Oh, gosh. Adam, who's your guess? Matthews 8. Matthews 8? Nylander 10. Two points for Steve Dangle. It was a 12 point. Oh, it was a 12? 12 game point streak, and it was Nylander. Again, you guys are all sleeping on Nylander.

He was really good. And he was really good his second season, too. People just forgot. Oh, by the way, just quick breaking news. You're going to love this. Flyers announced a six-year contract with Travis Konyakne. What do you think Travis Konyakne is making?

Can you bring up his point totals? Because, remember, we're talking about Mitch Marner here. Comparison. Travis Konyakne is a winger. I think the same age. 69 points two years ago. 94 this past year. Career high

26 goals. Travis Konechny had 47 two years ago and 49 this past year. It is... They'd be smart to lock him up to term. Well, I said six years. Oh, it's six years. So I got it. Five.

Jesse, do you know? 4.5. Have you seen it? 6-1. 5-5. Okay. Alright. That's pretty fair. Manageable deal. Yeah, manageable. Yeah, there you go. Anyway, any more? Yeah, yeah. We got one, two, three.

I think four more questions. Most shorthanded goals by a rookie. This record was set in the 16-17 season. How many shorthanded goals did this rookie score? Sorry, what was the question? One more time. Shorthanded goals by a rookie was set this season, 16-17. What's the player?

How many shorthanded goals did he have? What's your answer? Hyman, four. Hyman, four. Hyman, four. Well done, boys. Both new. Well done, boys.

That's pretty good. I remember thinking, that's pretty cool. What is that, two points? Two points each. Steve's still up by three or four? Yeah, three. Three? I think so.

Count them up. Three? I think so. We'll go with three. Sure. All right. Game-winning goals by a rookie. This player set the record with this amount of game-winning goals in the 16-17 season,

and he was a rookie, so he set the rookie record, because that's how rookie records work. You've got to be a rookie to set rookie records. Fun fact about rookie records. Weird, you know, it's fair. Yeah, he was in his first year of playing the NHL, which makes him a rookie. That's so weird. Yeah, I know. It's crazy.

I'm going to erase my number, and I'm going to put a higher one. You know, usually you do this, and you do it incorrectly. I know. So I'm hoping you're making the right decision here. Let's see. All right, what's your number? Matthews 12, says Steve Dangle. I said Matthews 9.

Steve, what was your original number? Eight. So I would have lost either way. No, the number was eight. Oh, no! So we each get a point. And it is Matthew's. Damn it!

I told you, you always do this. I do always do this. Was that not a hint? And it was bang on. Come on. You nailed it. Oh, boy, that's funny. Damn.

You know, on this thing alone, if I were you, trust my gut on pretty much everything. Man. So, yeah, Matthews had eight game-winning goals in the 16-17 set the record. All right. Most shots on goal by a rookie. Oh.

Who had it? What's the number? A lot of shots. A lot of shots that hit the goalie, but not the post. Because if you hit the post, it's not a shot. It's not a shot. Which is odd. By the way, this player is totally known for hitting the damn post, too.

Yep. If he didn't hit the post so much, the goal totals would be even higher. Could have had an even bigger record. All right. Steve says Matthews 310. Adam says... I said Matthews 120. Well, you got it right, because Steve went over the number, which is 279.

No! Adam, $1 you. Yes! Two points, Steve, one point. I thought it was really, really high. So, Steve's only up by two? That's right. All right.

Last question. Last question. Adam, you need both of these right. You need the number and the player, and Steve needs to get both of them wrong. All you need me to do is write down my answer and then change it. I'll take Steve's first answer. Total ice time. So think about who would be playing lots of ice time, and what's the number?

What's the number? Overall or average per game? Total. Oh, my God. All the minutes together. I don't know anything about that. All the minutes together. That's what we're going for

Game 7 Steven Adam hit the ice What is the total number Of this rookie It was me Austin It was me Oh now you're making me do math Do it

Dude I don't know how to do it Think of their average multiply it by 82 Oh my god No calculate no calculators yeah there's just ten eight times plus two yeah that's fucking great man just do the math you guys it's super easy it's not like I have the answer in front of me you know I also need the correct rookie so you got to give me those oh my god I don't know math man okay here's here's how I

do it I think I got it oh that's that and then and then if I don't have it I'll be like, nah, I didn't get it. But you think you got it. You know what I love about this trivia thing is it's really a shot in the dark each time. It is. It truly is. Okay, I'm wrong

on both counts, so Adam might win this thing. Steve went with Zaitsev 1200. Adam? Interesting. Good pick. Shut up. I went with Zach Hyman. 1600.

20 minutes a night There's no way we're going to OT again Adam You fell one point short Oh Damn it You had the number closer but the correct answer was Zaitsev Oh wow Steve well done

That sucks Zaitsev beating out all those guys He's a defender And he was on the power play That's why I went with Hyman He had 36 points Yeah, he did. No, I went with Hyman just because he was the shorthanded guy.

And I was like, who else is playing special teams? Yeah, no, it wasn't until the next season that Babcock is like, you basically don't leave the ice. Yeah, you're right. Okay. Oh, my God. I guess you lost by two, actually. Two points. Two points.

But, boy, good times. Good times. Good times. That was tight. Tight, tight, tight. I feel like I'm closing the gap. I might not be playing. I'm like the Blue Jays right now.

I'm losing by one run, but I'm still in it. But, like, there's a lot of moral victories. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Good fun all around Thank you so much for listening to the show If you have any questions or comments You got our reddit page, you got our twitter accounts You got us on youtube or whatever

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