The Steve Dangle Podcast - Sabremetrics | April 6, 2026

Episode Date: April 6, 2026

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with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake all right all right what do we want to do first do we want to give the sabers their flowers or make them wait for year 15 before giving them flowers yeah we talk about the islanders coach swap uh both big things over the weekend it's To choose your own adventure. What do we want? It's got to be the coach swap. You want the coach swap? I mean, that's a crazy thing to do.

Jesse, what's your vote for? Sabres. Oh. All right. Maddie is the tie break then. So Maddie, are we talking about how the Islanders fired their coach with like six games, five games to go? Or are we talking about the Buffalo Sabres clinching a playoff spot for the first time

in 14 years? No, Buffalo Sabres. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, the Buffalo Sabres are going to the playoffs! congratulations to our city mates from two hours and a border away is that yeah it's roughly two hours yeah you know what trontonians buffalonians we're the same and we've always said it trip up and down the qw yeah that's right this is just a hop skip and a jump and listen there was a time when we as leaf fans in 16 17 made the playoffs it was like the second time in 15 years or

something like that it was an obnoxious number it was crazy it was not great and i remember that feeling when connor brown scored against the pittsburgh penguins i still remember the goal and the game it was delicious and we had so much hope on the horizon man how things turned out i'm so glad we won so many cups since then but anyway um connor brown was good i bet they kept him it's gotta be one of the best feelings in the world to get that just clinched they knew they were going yeah come on but the clinching yeah the clinching's big and i feel like that is like that's an an enormous moment for the city of buffalo going into this season we were pretty sure it was kevin adams last year we were pretty sure it was lindy ruff's last year in the league i thought it was

his last month yeah like i thought he was getting fired man like they have finally finally done it and the sabers have i mean this is a rebuild that went wrong and this is where i always want to caution people about rebuilds retools are better rebuilds can go sideways in a hurry yeah and you can get the first overall pick and and several other first overall picks actually and it's still not work yet that's right oh my god they have well no not three that eichel which is basically a first doleen and power oh yeah eichel wasn't the first overall pick that's right easier no but you think of him like he is because the whole selling point of that draft was there's basically two in any other year he's the first overall pick 100 yeah 100 yeah and it's it's a uh their last playoff

game april 26 uh 2011 wow what someone uh posted recently they're like this is a this is a photo from the last season the sabers went to the playoffs it was a game against the thrashers yeah they were playing against the atlanta thrash who let them scoring that year steve in uh what was that 2010 2011 yeah danny briere good good answer but not he i don't think he was on the team i don't remember oh wait no he was a flyer by then wasn't he no no daniel was he wasn't he i don't see him on the list daniel no he wasn't he was on the flyers uh current sharks gm mike greer was on that team played 73 games uh but the leading scorer was thomas vanik oh that makes sense was that his like 40 plus goal year uh he had a 32 year that

year and drew stafford had a 31 true stafford they were so good at finding elite guys like just guys yokan hecht and paul gostad those are guys i remember brian holzinger guys yeah guy across generation guys yep just guys you know who else played for this team that this is a this is a poll ottawa senator's great patrick lilley patrick lilley patrick lilley as a saber as a saber oh man i can't picture it i can't picture it ryan miller was the starter jonas enroth also former leaf uh oh yeah backup yes does steve know the player that was in game seven against the flyers in 2000 was it 11 that season april 26th when the sabers lost their last playoff game what's the one player who was on that team who's still in the league right now

holy cow that is the fact that any of them now this isn't like an asterisk like he's a gm or a coach no he's a player he's playing on a team and this is on the sabers yeah tyler myers oh my god yeah let's go well done okay he was tyler myers is a current dallas star that's unbelievable he was 20 20 20 because that's when they i don't think it was this season but they went through a little streak where they had the highest paid defenseman in the league two years running and it was two different guys yeah it was tyler myers one year and um christian erhoff oh gosh yes now here's another one tyler myers in that final game had one goal one assist played 24 minutes early career tyler myers was insane he had 37 points that year dude he was he was very good hey so

let me ask you guys this can either of you name this who is the goalie coach very interesting notable name that most people have talked about many times for the last 15 years goalie coach for the sabers that has had a very interesting if i'm not mistaken uh effect on uh analytics oh my god was it jim corsi jim corsi wow he was still the goalie coach of the guy who created corsi yeah wow yeah he was he was the goalie coach isn't that cousins with alan fenwick yes he is that's a real thing yeah i don't know no and jeff pdo i'd change my name uh it's i'd go with smith now uh it was named after him but the originator was apparently uh uh some guy from like there was that there's some financial

background into this too like oh it's deep in the lore uh did he or did he not Jim Corsi was a former NHL goalie it so Corsi was actually created by uh Tim Barnes in the mid-2000s who named it after Jim Corsi because he liked his name and specifically his mustache so he had nothing to do with the invention of Corsi why Jim Corsi are you reading this off Wikipedia uh yeah is that is that yeah that'd be correct because the way i remember the story is either jim corsi or someone else uh came up with it to measure workload for a goalie because i'll read it okay yeah you read the wikipedia number was actually named by tim barnes a financial analyst from chicago working under the pseudonym vic ferrari oh yes yes he had heard former buffalo sabres general manager

Darcy Regeer talking about shot differential on the radio and then proceeded to develop a formula to accurately display shot differential. Ferrari originally wanted to name it the Regeer number, but he didn't think it sounded right. So then he reconsidered calling it the, he might've called it the Lindy Ruff number. By the way, Lindy Ruff was the head coach

the last time the Sabres were in the playoffs. Insane, insane. And, but he didn't think that was appropriate either. He ended up going, searching up the Buffalo Sabres staff, found a picture of Jim Corsi, and chose his name because he liked his mustache honestly there you go wow there you go isn't that funny yeah jim had nothing to do with it nothing he's just a guy he's just a figurehead yeah yeah the thought behind workload is whenever a shot is coming at you even if it doesn't hit the net

you're tensing up as a goalie so to measure workload you wanted to see how many shot attempts were getting through right right yeah not necessarily on net still i gotta say uh pretty need to have your name uh uh named after that uh especially just because you grew a nice mustache and the buffalo sabers are in and you got to think about all the times that they thought that they were in you look at the buffalo sabers throughout the years and this is a it's so interesting because when you look at their seasons so the next year so they were third in the division that year and they made it to the playoffs lost in the quarters the next year they were third but they didn't qualify and then it starts to fall off 5th 8 8 7th 8th 8 6 6 6 8 5th 5th 6th and then

7th last year this is a team that has not done above 6th since 2011 2012 and i think at 1.2 i think it was 14 15 they kind of thought that they were done with this rebuild thing and if you look at some of the players that they signed was that not the year that they signed like matt molson to that mega contract and you know there was a um there was definitely a year where they were like okay the rebuild's over we're good and it might have been 15 16 there were a few false starts and and all the time sabers fans were like this is our year it's gonna happen and they went through i think three general managers in three years it was it was it not tim murray was palminville one of the guys uh the population of poppinville man there's been it's been a real like it's been

brutal he's he's the soundtrack for all those great sabers memories too yeah hey rick jennerette um it's i i can't wrap my head around how long it's been yeah i really can't also i think botterill who's now the gm in seattle was the gm for a year in buffalo as well it's a it's an amazing story and amongst those dark years we forget how many swings and misses there were with their draft picks because tanking works if you are able to get the stars that build your franchise right the rest of eternity but they kept swinging and missing on some of those top top picks and either it was we didn't develop them correctly we moved off of them too quickly or it just wasn't the right guy you think about alex nylander in 2016 going eighth overall that's a swing and a

To join Jack Eichel. Those guys are going to be line mates forever. Yeah. They're going to haunt William up into the air. That's a swing and a miss. You think about Sam Reinhart not holding on to him. Yeah. Having Brandon Hagel as a draft pick.

Yeah. And not holding on to him. Man. There are so many opportunities along the way where this thing could have been done a little sooner. But eventually, they started getting the correct picks where they take Darlene and then they take Dylan Cousins, who is not there anymore. But we'll talk about that on a different date. jack quinn they take owen power so they're finally starting to get the studs and things actually turn around so it's a lesson in you need to tank but you need to tank and then select the

right guys let me throw you some of these names from the 15 16 savers a lot of names you're going to recognize ryan o'reilly 24 years old oh yeah jack that's not a move you make when you think you suck yeah you went out and you got ryan o'reilly and jack eichel i think ryan o'reilly was the number one center that you're ryan o'reilly or jack eichel will be number two this his first season sam reinhardt rasmus ristolainen evander kane the end of brian giant's career yeah bogosian who's continued to play marcus felino who's still playing you had matt molson but he was just i think injuries and stuff it's too much gergensons cody franzen jake mccabe uh tyler ennis played for a long time after uh toronto radio great carlo coliacavo um evan

Rodriguez played two games for that team the Evan Rodriguez Linus Olmark like there's there have been Chad Ruedel who was playing up at least until last year Evan Rodriguez by the way that signing I remember what he was known as when he first came into the league Jack Eichel's friend he they they played together in college oh and he got signed by the Sabres and we're all like meh the guy probably sucks boy where we turns out he's had a pretty good career yeah yeah it's it's a uh Chad johnson robin lander lena salmark uh were the three main goalies for that team too wow yeah but you're reading that's that's that's jack eichel's first you're reading the wrong team for for why for why rebuilds are the right way to go and they did it wrong and jesse jesse nailed

it you gotta get the draft picks right you gotta get the draft picks right and they stripped it down so crazy bare bones that it wouldn't matter you gotta go one year in the past to when they were tanking for mcdavid right and landed on eichel this is their last game of the 14 15 season a two nothing loss to the pittsburgh penguins they had don't move on me now zach bogosian zach dalpy nick delorier matt ellis tyler ennis marcus felino brian gianta mikhail gregorenko cody hodgson who we played against in a charity tournament um and he wouldn't let me win face saw some other gregorango by the way is the guy they took 12th overall 12th that's something that that should have been a piece of your franchise patrick coletta johan larson andre mazeros matt

molson rasmus ristolainen chad real rue weedle tyson strachan i don't know who that you do not recall might be strong might be strong don't recall phil varone al strachan's kid maybe possibly. I don't know. Is he as happy as Alstrachan? I doubt it. Nobody is. Nikita Zdorov and Anders Lindback. Who remembers Anders Lindback in net? I don't remember

Anders Lindback. He was poor. How poor? You can't just say he was poor and then not give us the stats. He was... I didn't even click it. You're supposed to just know. That's what I need to know. Anders

Lindback. He was unplayable. But the stat won't even register to you because even bad goalies back then were pretty good. 15-16 was his last season. He had an 8-94. And actually, that season, when they were trying to tank, oh, they should have played him less. Somehow, 4-8-2, but with a 9-24 save percentage.

Whoa. Come on. Oh, there's your future in net. The next season was his last in the NHL. I think I think, too, like this is one of those times where it's such a monumental thing that I'd be like, hey, Steve, why don't you do like instead of a wasted era like you do with the Leafs, like the lost era, a wasted generation, but a hundred percent, several. But I look at the Sabres thing and I go, that's almost too big. Like you'd need like two hours to really break it down at least at least. Well, because there are so many moments, like you said, where they almost got it back on track and then it's here's what went wrong.

ryan o'reilly just doesn't feel like it anymore yeah you know but then you know some good things have happened along the way tage thompson looked like a complete sunk cost ryan o'reilly trade it's crazy what never in a million years did it ever look after i don't know three years like the sabers would win that trade ever because o'reilly went on to win the consmite i mean yeah if you're a st louis blues fan you're like uh he won the cons i think we're good yeah um but that's one of the best goal scorers in the league consistently year in and year out and it just sort of clicked one day oh i'm good now i'm oh yeah no i'm good here i go you know one of the pieces they gave up to get Ryan O'Reilly was Nikita Zdorov I believe that wow that's he was he was

a Buffalo Sabres draft pick and they sent him to get Ryan O'Reilly wow they sent him to the blues no Colorado no Colorado oh that's right yeah Colorado had Nikita Zdorov for a while there after they acquired him in the Ryan O'Reilly trade so Colorado had Dushane McKinnon and O'Reilly in their early 20s and that's nutso figured it out with very few of them or any traded both of them hey you know it's crazy when you move guys things can change yeah wow hey wow what's that like imagine that no but you know a cornerstone of what's made this current group so good is drafting they've drafted extremely well they have and i think and this is where and again we're not getting to the Leafs till later in the show but this is where I I understand why Kevin Adams

his name is out there and a couple of weeks ago I was the one to say maybe we owe him an apology for this but that guy can't be a general manager again right away no no no no you know you must work your way up no you must work your way up because a lot of shit went wrong like we'll give you credit for where the team is now but and they did start the winning like three games left in your tenure I don't care but yeah the only way I'd be remotely interested is like I think AGM's too high like a pro scouting sure agm i think would be fine you're gonna work you can be an agm okay so as we've learned in toronto you know agm may not actually do anything yeah that's who has a higher rehirable score kevin adams or brad trilliving sheesh right now i think it's going to

be wow i think kevin adams i also think but i think there are concerns about kevin the guy because the things i'm hearing are that when he believes that you're on uh someone on his level it's one way when you when he doesn't believe that you're someone on his level it's another way that's what i pick somebody to run your franchise tomorrow those are the only two options which one are you picking oh god well first off i'm a terrible owner then um yeah wait okay let's just secret third option i sell i sell the team i'd rather run it myself steve you haven't weighed in i adam said it right there i would sooner run the team myself but that's not but that's not one of the answers okay i will say that okay kevin adams because he has only wrecked one team in

recent memory and true livings wrecked two adam what's that what's that are you i'm going brad because at least brad treats people well i feel like you could surround brad with the right pieces to get him to move off of certain things uh kevin brad is good to everybody and i that start that is corporate culture we're going to start there um so and and hey at least in brad's tenure they built something that got to the second round on both teams that that you know ultimately ended in ruin i would play the role like the flames got to the second round so the leafs and then he destroyed both yeah but hey he got there first kevin didn't do that i would play the role of uh jim rutherford like hey uh kevin with a y anytime you need to speak to the media i'll just i got it

Yeah, I got it. You should shut your face. Yeah, you shut up. You should not say anything. Shut up. Palm trees. No one needed to ever know about palm trees. Well, that's that's the thing.

And I think that I have it. I have a deep affection for Brad for living the person. I think I'm me, too. I really like him. So that I like you, Adam. You shouldn't run the least. Like I like you, man. That's fair.

That's fair. Now, so congrats to Buffalo Sabres fans. obviously it's going to be a race to the end but i think the cherry on top of all this would be them winning the division it's so man it's so crazy they could win the division or not have home ice in the first round yeah and i think i think we also need to have a conversation maybe not today but later uh the atlantic division is still the best division in the sport no question shut up about colorado winnipeg whatever not winnipeg colorado uh dallas no that's just your classic half and half yeah yeah this is it that they're harvesting points this division is the toughest

division in the sport and has been for 10 years and i like that the buffalo sabers didn't do it backing into the playoffs and like sneaking into a wildcard spot they've been the best team in the league since december 2nd they have more points than anybody else in the league they're 35 12 and 4 they have run away with this thing since early december and they've been the best team and i think that's the best way for them to get in the playoffs here it's not a fluke it's not a joke they are really good and they're fun they're fun to watch oh yeah they score goals like crazy they get good goal tending when they need it there's nothing defense there's nothing like that arena too when the sabers are good when it's fun when it's loud and their people have forgotten like

there are people that listen to this show and we we see them then they're like in their early 20s they're like five years old the last time the sabers were good you've never experienced buffalo loud someone uh in the chat on saturday for a saturday stream was like should habs fans take over the building and i'm like you're not going to be able to you'd be lucky to buy a ticket the reason road fans were able to take over that building for so long is no one wanted the tickets because they sucked people in buffalo like hockey you're gonna have a hard time you're gonna pry it's their first appearance in the playoff since 2011 you will pry those tickets from their cold dead hands yes no chance absolutely congrats to the buffalo sabers shall we do the bet mgm big

story the islanders have but four games and they have a new head coach and matthew darsh has seen them sort of languish over the last 10 they're 3 7 and 0 in their last 10 games this is a team that was squarely in the playoffs a month ago and is squarely out of it this morning and patrick is out pete deborah is in why are they out of it who knocked them out who knocked them out who knocked him out of the playoff spot you answer the question steve it was the philadelphia flyers that's right you two oh an apology no the flyers fans were being doubters no no there's like there's buddy flyers five there's five good teams in the east wow and i was getting by the way i was they're one of them all of my doubting was coming from flyers fans i was watching what they

were saying about the team you're looking at me going oh you didn't believe you didn't believe i know i saw your tweets we'll dig them up they're still on out there people were complaining and rick talk it's called matt bay fat and uh we got uh we can't do this and talk it sucks you've been on that for so long they've been on that for so long i'm not the one writing about it and they're like attacking kevin kerr's like you're an asshole for saying that that hey hey hey hey they're in a spot yes oh yeah for them good for them they all well i mean they could have sold at the deadline right they could have could have didn't but it's it's fun and we're setting ourselves up here gentlemen for something that i'm very excited for a all pennsylvania showdown

which we have been robbed of for the last 15 years 2012 was absolutely unhinged and i need that in my veins if this is crosby's last one or two goes with malkin in the playoffs fitting yes the first round would be against the philadelphia flyers and i don't know because there's no claude geroux in this series which is sort of a bummer yes but i do feel like there are some uh there's some nasty players on the philadelphia flyers that the penguins could hate and there's some there's some penguins that the flyers could hate right oh they'll figure it out yeah they'll find a way they'll figure it out for sure the question i have for you guys is this is this sustainable can the flyers hold this i mean it's 77 games they've played they got five more to go and every

night that changes the islanders are a point behind them and we'll talk about them because that's how the segment started we're supposed to talk about them right um i was about to ask they have 89 and 78 the flyers have 90 and 77 it all comes down to what the hell kind of magic can you harness over this week what did i say about vegas they're either gonna go oh and eight or eight no they're three you know and a three looks like an eight if you if you squint they're they're on their way right the new coach bump has worked in vegas any question about their playoff spot uh appears to be answered islanders are in a far more precarious spot so the islanders have to play this one just one thought on the flyers sure if we're doing that my only hiccup with them is they

still can't score goals it's since february the since the olympic break they're the second best team in the league they only trail the buffalo sabers in total points accumulated they're 14 six and one in that span their goals against is second in the league they've only allowed 2.38 goals against per game which is fantastic oh my god 2.38 goals against per game but their goals four despite being the second best team in the league sits at 26th in the league they only score 2.71 goals four per game despite winning all of these games they still can't put the puck in the back of the net don't have to and they haven't had to as we've always said the philadelphia flyers have elite goaltending they have elite defense they do team defense fantastic goaltending has

been there clearly i just wonder when they reach the playoffs and this thing where they can't score goals um goes up against a better team a consistent opponent night after night if that will cause them to be eliminated in the first you know hockey is not a goal scoring contest though it's not sad about here well adam i'm just so disappointed why well because i consider myself to be a wine guy I like wine. Jesse, you like wine? Wine's okay. Yeah.

I like a good Cab Sauv. What's your favorite kind? Cab Sauv is good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought maybe, though, you were a bit more of a porter man. Ah.

Porter Martone has arrived, and he's come to do three things. Chew bubblegum, score goals, and piss refs off, and he's all out of bubblegum. he scored his first goal in overtime in overtime look at him go the flyers there's your goal scoring savior also still sucks it's 30th in the league in that span since the olympic break no but their struggles are port over their numbers don't back up a really good team there it's just they play great defense and have not allowed any goals oh the offensive side of it is still dead look at the status those numbers backing up the state yeah they're in a place i i think it oh you're totally right it also speaks to the fact that the the metro isn't the strongest division

um and i think it's exciting division it's it's a very exciting division but like and and i say this as a leaf fan who is an objectively terrible team i always have to say that beforehand remind people that i'm aware my team sucks but like it is of the divisions in the sport it's the third hardest and whatever yeah whatever it's exciting but they're able to get in with numbers like that yeah oh yeah and also i'm happy for flyers yeah like i'm not this doesn't mean i'm not happy that your team is in i just think that if i'm making my bracket i think matthew's fat right that's what you think that's exactly wow what a dick look look in recent memory The reason I bring up Port-au-Martin, in recent memory, off the top of my head, Cole Caulfield joins a very ho-hum Montreal Canadiens team.

They were barely worthy of playoff recognition. And then he comes in and he's part of one of the greatest comebacks in franchise history and instrumental in it. Much less high end, but incredibly impactful in 2023 was Matthew Nyes. for the Leafs they don't win that series against Tampa without him oh yeah he was incredible so loves playing at Amelie loves playing at Amelie so Porter Martone coming in if he can find a way to be somewhere in between Knies and Caulfield as a as a new player injecting adrenaline into a roster I think the Flyers will be just fine just fine I I think too uh when you inject a player like that reminds me of matthew nice in 2023 they just don't even know what they don't

know and they're just out there going ah right you know and he just had a great year at the big 10 i think it was 50 points in 35 what a whirlwind like he was feeling great all season the most heartbreaking crushing loss of his life and then all right you're in the stanley cup last year that's matthew nice too yeah he came off of a that's why he does so well that's what he was talking about yeah gosh darn it oh sorry now i don't know i have a question flyers make the playoff is it uh does this remind you of matthew there's some nice equivalents should we go through them yeah we should uh no i was just gearing up the next one i apologize that's okay how many and i'm not saying he wins okay differentiation factor flyers make it in what place does rick

talk it come in jack adams voting now i'm saying third third because if they make it in i don't think he wins because they didn't have the greatest season on the whole and there are some runaway favorites i think in that in that spot lindy ruff is my one it has to be that's my vote number one uh the rick bonus train is falling right off the tracks dan muse i put number two damn you that's a good one i just don't i don't think he's nominated but he'll get votes talk isn't nominated i think i don't think so yeah well the bonus thing really screws it up when are we just gonna get over ourselves and give it to cooper no i agree with what you know what i mean huber doesn't make my ballot and if he didn't win for

the 62 game season then he's never going to win he's just never gonna win oh i got 42 hall of famers we've been good for a decade now all of a sudden we're gonna get a trophy when i might lose of the division what the what are we doing if we go by the hey you're we thought you were gonna suck and you're actually okay the award if we go by that in no particular order it's talk it rough muse gotta be i think those are your three rick bonus if they make the playoffs gets into that top three and you probably kick out talk it but if they don't make the playoffs then i think you got the three yeah so in the heart trophy segment we just did for the bad mgm big story i said i don't like the playoffs thing because

blah blah blah i think when it comes to coaching it matters yeah right people are gonna be like oh you said it didn't matter with the heart i'm like no no no it does with the jack adams so if bonus does not make the playoffs with the columbus blue jackets as surprising and fun as that run has been to me i would take a coach that's even coached a full year over a guy that's had a hot january right two weeks a week and a half in february and a good march too like i i think i think you have to remember that rick bonus took over in mid-jan right these guys have been the whole year dan muse i think should win it uh if lindy ruff's not in the picture the thing about the reason that will what will hold dan muse back i think is that he has sydney crosby

and he didn't he didn't for part of it but the sabers don't have a generational mount rushmore best player of all eras type player on the roster currently the penguins are full if if we look back at how we looked at these guys at the beginning of the season they're full of projects they are and he's nailed all of them well and that's because kyle dubas has nailed all of them that's right brought in the right guys chinikov mantha who were he finally arrived he's like 30 right we knew it there he is got him um friggin he's resurrected eric carlson stewart skinner now i don't know how much of that is coaching but hey i think you got to give some of it to him and i i don't know skinner was a dump in a tristan jari trade do you understand

do you all understand and look what he's been yeah right there's i'm sure you could keep going um ben ben kindle should not be in the nhl right now based on everything we know about what was he 12th overall no that doesn't happen dan muse baby yeah that's why i think you got the three guys there if bonus doesn't make the playoff so if talk it's in you think he goes third too yeah because the all the points i'm making against why the flyers i don't think have it in them to go on like a deep playoff run are points in favor of rick talkett winning a jack adams if you're playing all of a sudden dan vladar looks amazing and you're giving up no goals per game even though you're not scoring anything you're winning a bunch of games that's on coaching and strategy

and team defense and that to me goes to the head coach and his assistants and i think talk it should be in the jack adams conversation if they get into the playoffs he's done a fantastic job there and the numbers back it up yep yep i agree now patrick waugh which is where we started the segment patrick was out on the island um he is no longer the head coach and multiple years remaining this was the i guess it was not the full second year this would have been his full second year because he took over midway through the 23 24 season if you remember lula amorello brought him in uh because he wanted a coach that was on his second run because usually he did the research and i guess coaches that are on their second run are more likely to win the cup sure no coach except for

scotty bowman has won a coach a cup in two different places and the islanders did go to the playoffs uh in 23 24 they lost in the first round they were out last year um and then this year they bought at the trade deadline and have been floundering ever since and you're talking about not small buys i mean susie's one thing but brayden shen costs a lot yeah brayden shen like you can get over it because you have him for multiple years but he's at an age where he's probably better now than he will be next year and I wonder about you know Matthew Darsh has had a pretty damn good first year and obviously Matt Schaefer broke another record he now has the most points ever by an 18 year old defenseman that includes the 80s he's playing like 25 minutes

a night well i stupid sometimes it's 31 and i wonder i wonder i'm like uh i know patrick really trusted him but is that good coaching uh playing your best players a lot 32 minutes a night not in the playoffs it's maybe not great it's maybe playing the wheels off a guy but like also he's special he is and he's 18 so 18 year olds can go is he tired i don't think he's tired probably not it doesn't look it uh what do you think like i i i don't think anybody going in this weekend would have called this though like it wasn't like anybody thought oh patrick was seat right now is hot and the islanders had to reach out to the dallas stars to ask for permission to speak to pete because he's on his last year of his deal so they had to call and say are you cool with this

and it's funny they're doing their press conference right now and and darsh is acting like you know pete deborah is like a first-time free agent everybody's like well he was fired last june but he was under contract so you do have to call and ask for permission and he's like if a guy like Pete DeBoer is out there it won't be for long and you're it's eight months but whatever if you've already made a Patrick Waugh decision and you're worried that a really good coach is about to be taken off the market you make your move now absolutely you make your move now the Leafs hired this outside firm to uh ask you know who should we be going after in terms of executives but if they expand that to coaches they're gonna look at the guy with a billion wins

and a lot of playoff success and pete deborah like how long was he really gonna i cannot believe he was still on the market yeah i can't either i can't believe he went a full almost a full year Well, I have a hard time believing that a couple of factors there. First off, he is under contract. I think other teams probably called Dallas asking for permission. They would have gotten it. Maybe. But beyond that, the way he went out wasn't good.

No. He trashed the goalie on the way out. And this is not the first time, as we well know, that he's targeted a goalie unfairly on a very successful team. And then the guy, well, he's still doing it. Patrick. Patrick was out of a job. He's still doing it. You son of a gun.

Just keeps beating up on these goalies. Pete, do you want to coach this team? No. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Who's the head coach? Former goalie. You son of a gun. Take that sword out of Pat's back.

No, like, I can't believe he was still available. This is sort of like the Braden Shen deal. Like, sure, it might make sense now, but it makes sense going forward. Yeah, this is a long-term play. Yeah. Jesse, Pete DeBoer is a guy that regularly gets his team to the third round and sometimes never further which is why he uh inevitably weirdly gets fired

by really good teams but every team that he coaches turns out to be really good what does he bring to the islanders that make sense in your mind a lot of what's going on right now i think is the islanders regressing to what we kind of thought they were early on they were running uh they were getting a little bit of luck in terms of the them winning games and their shooting percentage has regressed like crazy they're getting a ton of shots on goal and none of them are going in so you bring in the new head coach and you hope that the team is now going to fight a little bit more to get a little more high quality shots on goal you know if we can inject some i don't know energy into the offense to just hey where i know we're getting the shots let's not

settle for the things on the outside edges let's actually compete to get into the dirtier areas or just a little more high danger shots and pete devore who's a very smart hockey mind i think can figure out that type of strategy because they needed a new look yeah whatever they've been doing currently has not been working since march 2nd i believe they have less points than toronto maple leafs oh they have a worse record than the than the toronto maple leafs yeah that's from March 2nd onwards, they are 7, 10, and 0. And the Leafs in that span are 5, 7, and 5. Jesse, funny you should say that.

Guess who Pete DeBoer's first game is against. No way, Dallas. The Toronto Maple Leafs. Oh, yeah? On the second half of a back-to-back. Second half of a back-to-back. Your standard 6.45 p.m. start for some reason. Dude, 6.45, then 1 p.m. against Ottawa,

then 6 p.m. against Montreal, all and then finally a seven o'clock they don't play until they play the leafs yeah they have four days off right now so at least have a light week too this was the window oh wow yeah so when did they fired him yesterday right so yeah they fired him easter sunday uh st patrick and uh he has three days now to get acquainted with the team and kick the leafs ass yeah i didn't realize they had that much time off it's weird at this point in the season all home games all home games by the way so if you were going to do something this unhinged uh this is the pocket and the the matthew darsh thing is important because he didn't hire patrick wall this wasn't his guy and he saw

an opportunity to go get the guy he's gonna make his guy after this season do it now so he doesn't get hired by somebody you know so he took away the competition give him the four-year deal said i'm not going to compete with everybody else trying to give pete deborah this long-term deal i'm gonna do it right now and beat everybody to it and i think it was pretty smart part of me wonders too if there was somebody in on pete i thought a hundred percent i think something spurred this yes and this is why bless the vegas golden knights it is a copycat league which generally leads to a complete lack of creativity by the way there's not a single person in in the hockey world except for golden knights fans that would say bless the vegas i know i don't feel that way

either but they're crazy they're crazy they're crazy people and they do crazy people things bruce cassidy for john tortorella with less than 10 games to go that's a crazy person thing to do they did it and remember i was like when was the last time this happened this doesn't happen who does this and it took a week maybe less for another team to do it this one to me was more shocking than the golden knights one because at least there there's kind of like whispers and like this thing isn't working at all we need to move on and try something we weren't doing entire segments on how the islanders were being misplaying players exactly you know yeah vegas at least we were complaining about some of the lineup decisions and how they were playing

what i will say is maybe we should have been like based on the stat that you said oh yeah yeah there's there's been problems for a month and a half here in on the island but this is seems like something you still you're still fighting for the playoff spot maybe you get in maybe you don't and then you make your decision which i think matthew darst was going to but he did the bold thing which i think more general managers need to be and he made the call right now and who knows if they get in now thank goodness thank goodness more unhinged decisions i think i think too a general manager should know that early on in their tenure they will have more power than later unless you win the cup then you've got all the power but when you're early on in your tenure

as a general manager that's when you are at your strongest and so you need to make if you're going to make the move you make the move early you didn't hire me because you were satisfied exactly but three years in it's like are we going to fire the coach or we fire you yeah you start you start managing for your job yes instead of like to win you're trying to manage not to lose your job i should say what's brandon carlo doing these days and uh and for anybody that doesn't know matthew darsh was the assistant general manager to julian briseois for years in tampa that's that's why he has so much heft and i think has given the islanders organization uh a whole fresh fresh look I'm excited for I'm interested in Sorokin because up until that you know that month ago

streak or whatever that you said where they have like was it March 2nd March 2nd yeah they have less points than the Leafs Sorokin first off has been good ever since 29th best team in the league since March 2nd that's seven and ten and so much of that is Sorokin right there's a reason why if you go to the bet MGM odds he is the second in the Vesna conversation right the guy's been unbelievable rarely not really talked about outside of it but you waste a season like that from a player like that he was always a good goalie but if you waste that that's going to be a real shame forget the draft picks that you traded or the prospects or whatever you waste a sorokin season like this and don't make the playoffs i think the islanders if they do get in

are going to be a huge pain in the ass i'm not saying they're going to win especially if they come in and they got to play carolina carolina's as we know they always get through the first probably the second round last time they played i picked the islanders and i look stupid so i'm not doing it again i but i do think i and i'd also i'd love to see a rod versus pete uh first round that'd be carolina versus new york that'd be great the way the playoff picture in the east is set up you're you're gearing for third in the metro not a wild card spot although i mean steve yes and no because the senators with a game in hand admittedly are only a point up of them this morning you could knock them out for sure good but if you were to go back 24 hours yep that's

where you were right you were third in the atlantic yep uh nope metro now the islanders as you mentioned are going to play the leafs on the second half of a back-to-back on thursday they got to win that game and also i'm asking you islanders please win that fucking game yes because we're going to talk about how the leafs are fucking this again i can't decide uh then they got to play the senators on saturday that is going to be game of the week territory they are right they're oh it could be for a playoff spot should be yeah for both teams the senators went one and one this weekend they lost the wild they beat the carolina hurricanes i don't know uh but the then they play the canadians which is not necessarily playoff implications but the canadians

will be fighting for home ice advantage so that'll still matter but i still think it'll matter more to the islanders yeah and then last game of the season could be against their first round opponent the Carolina Hurricanes so they have just the four games what can Pete DeBoer even do with this team in four games guys like what do you do figure out what's wrong with where their heads are at and fix it I don't know how much systematically you're going to be able to fix right this is not the kind of decision Matthew Darsh makes just to shake things up same with John Tortorella by the way you would have to talk to them you would have to have this question answered hey if i were to hire you what the hell are you going to do and if i'm pete deborah or if i'm john tortorella i need

to know information about this team you just get the helium out and start pumping them up with it like a hundred percent like what's what's going on what's wrong now john tortorella i think is a guy you can rally around in pockets pete deborah is interesting john known to great on players yeah torts has people that will die for him i've never heard that about pete devore no ever once but the standard is patrick waugh yes who is raids on players and everyone else around him all the time probably 32 out of 32 in terms of just crotchety dudes um in coaching positions right now um you got to figure out where their heads are at and you got to fix that ricky tick yeah Now, let's look at the Flyers, guys, because I still think this matters, right?

The Flyers took the spot from the Islanders. Flyers are going to play the Devils tomorrow night. They should win that game. Devils are sneaky hot. They are, but they should win that game. Flyers Red Wings on Thursday. That is going to be a very... And we're getting to the Red Wings next.

Okay, good. Don't you worry. Their own segment. We'll be chatting about the Red Wings and the Blue Jackets next. That's a big game. Flyers Jets on Saturday. Jets are sneaky hot. but yeah in the west somehow still in it and then you've got the canes on next monday april 13 and

then uh they're finishing it off with a back-to-back against the canadians on the 14th see those are two games where both your opponents might lay down might not but you probably want to win two of the next three to make sure don't you definitely but what like what i'm saying is like what'll be the priority for the hurricanes and for the habs is probably just get into the playoffs healthy yeah yep hey listen let's talk about razors and let's talk about how they're crazy overpriced yes uh and not particularly well made in a lot of instances it's kind of like it's it just feels sometimes like a scam in one place that we feel like hey we're not getting scared we all have different uh facial hair steve for years claimed he could not grow a beard now

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the detroit red wings absolutely so the red wings are their disastrous march has continued they lost again yesterday this time to the minnesota wild who won two games over the weekend one against the senators one against the red wings so the minnesota wild are single-handedly fucking up the atlantic division one of the least justifiable ends to a hockey game this season now that is patrick kane's penalty right is that you're talking about well we're skipping over okay give it to me uh minnesota's up 4-1 they're killing them and you know and the red wings have been killed a few times recently you can't let this happen minnesota's fighting for home ice you're fighting for a playoff spot you need to be the more desperate team you get one oh you get

two oh you get three you tie it and it's patrick kane veteran emotional leader best american player ever essentially a living legend museum of hockey yep and he takes the dumbest hooking call i've ever seen in my entire life on quinn hughes with with like two minutes left or something for the purpose of what i'm still trying to figure that out that's the kind of thing where you kick someone off your eashl team if they do it in a video game and he did it in real life don't understand why wild get a power play now you could always kill it they didn't yeah might as well not take the penalty i'll show you two angles here here's the full ice view you can see patrick kane up there and quinn hughes up there puck puck is all the way down here and you'll see patrick

kane just decide hey i'm gonna trip quinn hughes for no reason coming up right here no and you're you have the puck there you go so this this was immediately after yeah the red wings had tied it up four four and the miraculous comeback man he trips them there and then let me show you do you understand you could lose this game in overtime and still benefit and at least you get the point yep this causes you to you get nothing out of a three goal comeback so you saw the full ice view now uh here is the up close one where you can really see him no just do this for absolutely no reason no reason for it just to try and stop Quinn getting back into the play on the other side after he's circling back to go charge up the ice he just decides to take him down and that

cost them the game I don't understand I don't understand and isn't Kane supposed to be going off right now yeah he's going for a change yeah oh my god what turns around he sees him he's like I'm gonna take him down what are you doing I don't understand what was going through his head I don't yeah i don't but that's just one of the issues on a month's worth of issues for the detroit red wings i mean like the issue is you were down four one yes you you made up for it yeah yeah but like you tied the game oh it the problems in detroit run deep and now you got to get into the point where you're talking about the entire roster construction which is steve on steve eisenman but the players there too you know and the guys you have and their ability to not rise to the

moment and i think this comment from todd mcclellan which happened last saturday which talked about their competitiveness is the underlying theme of this entire era of detroit red wings hockey when things get tough they're not able to fight through it and when they need to rise to the occasion they don't do it so here's what he said last saturday after their loss last game uh from the other night i had said that um you know the the brain and the the legs and the will all have to go together if you're only using one and not the other it doesn't work and um how do we fix it well we address some of it in um in the video today which is what we do even when we're playing really well and then we put it into play and practice and that's all fine and

dandy but we're going into april and video and and um practice should just be polishing things up and away you go you shouldn't be trying to extract um competitiveness or heaviness out of the players at this time so um but we are and we're capable of providing it and we'll get a chance to do that starting tomorrow night he's still in the middle of a playoff battle trying to extract competitiveness from his players was that after the rangers loss yeah that was last weekend so that to me is the biggest indictment on this era of red wings hockey the rangers why every month you look at the every year you look at the march standings and their record and it's poor the i will say the rangers have decided what what if we were the 79 habs for a week yeah

yeah they had a weird weekend didn't they like just insane yeah um but i i said this boys i said this after the olympic break and or after the trade deadline traditionally it's after the trade deadline the standard of play goes up it goes up you can park the bus in a game maybe there's still a lot of people who don't think that's a good idea you can park the bus in a game maybe you cannot park the bus in an nhl season they went from hey this is a pretty good start to hey they might make the playoffs to they're going to make the playoffs and i'm stunned that they fumbled the bag not yet though not yet it is not over it's not but their fans are talking like it is well and and you can't you can't you can't they could still easily make it and i will not

listen i it's no secret that for the last three years in each of our season previews and detroit fans have given me shit about it every single year especially in 23 22 23 when they started hot or 23 24 whatever it was and then this year when the first year of justin hall when they started hot this year as well um i'm not a fan of a lot of how that roster is constructed i think they've got some incredible high-end pieces right and i don't think anybody um anybody can take away from that you know raymond is cider and somehow underrated yes cider so is larkin tomorrow's game and i will say this for the next team we're going to talk about because they're playing each other is against the blue jackets this is the game of the season and yet like it could either be the

game in the season or a game that someone wins because someone has to i don't know it's not the west though no but you mean by that they've both just been screwing up and like it's funny this is going to be a vibe shift potentially for one of them just because it has to be it has to be the blue jack like they're both losing games in mystifying ways and that can't that can't be attributed to anything other than the yips can i tell you how identical they are show me so the Wings, 77 games, 88 points. Blue Jackets, 77 games, 88 points. The Wings have 29 regulation wins.

Blue Jackets, 27. Goal differential is an interesting one. Negative nine for Detroit on the season, plus three for Columbus on the season. In their last 10, they have almost identical records. Four, six, and O for the Detroit Red Wings, three, six, and one for the Blue Jackets. You're absolutely right.

It will be a vibe shift. But on their heels, no one's talking about it, but the timothy lilligren led washington capitals now they have played an extra game 87 points they really looked poised for a miracle run and then the rangers yeah killed that disemboweled but they are still there they're there it could you know it could just be one game this could just be one bad streak for detroit this could just be everybody for the the blue jacket yeah like the blue jackets got to where they are because they basically didn't lose for like several months yep which was never that doesn't happen can't plan for that no they went 2019 blues for a while

there right but like you gotta you have to know what you are when the going gets tough and what both teams have found out recently is not much not much the washington capitals oh go ahead no no i was just gonna say like this is a monumental game for both teams but someone's going to win someone's going to lose and then you're going to have to move on to what's next because it's not enough yeah the washington capitals just to point out how close they are to actually being a good team this year they're two and six in the shootout flip three shootout goals this year and you say those three shootout goals go in the back of the net or they're saved they're in a playoff spot they're third in the metro if they convert on three of those six

shootout losses that's that's why when people are like it's just october the games don't matter that much i'm like you are dumb every game it does matter it matters oh it's early it gets it gets late early blue jackets would be comfortably in a playoff spot if they weren't simply last place in the east exactly and then fired their coach so but they were right so so blue jackets red wings tomorrow night uh-huh flyers red wings thursday oh new jersey red wings april 11th which is saturday next monday red wings lightning and i think the lightning might take that game off we're not sure red wing or it's a first round preview or it's a first round preview it could be but even so do the lightning care unless they've got you know the atlantic division locked

up unless home ice advantage is at issue for the lightning i don't think they care that the lightning will not pass up an opportunity to soften you up fair enough that division will still be on the line i think at that point i agree also close there's three of them and then they finish their season against the panthers who are really not the panthers so that's that could be a game have like no one left blue jackets have a harder road so tomorrow against the red wings then they got to play the sabers who are in a dead heat to win that division that's thursday they're speed wobbling a little too and then they got to play the canadian saturday who are looking for home ice advantage and are feeling pretty damn good about themselves the

Bruins who have probably some breathing room now because they're five points up on the next wildcard team they're not I don't think they're going to catch the Canadians or the

Sabres their five points behind them but they've got room it I don't think so depending on how this week goes it could be for the playoffs but the last game of the season so

not only is next game going to be interesting for the Blue Jacks last game is if they're still in it the Washington Capitals oh or it's the Depression Bowl and

neither team is in it Yeah, I or it could be. Yeah, like you said, game of the season. It would be sad to see the Blue Jackets lose just for the fact that they've been such an interesting story for the second year in a row. Get in. But at a certain point, you got to lock it down. You got to get in.

Jack Reeves has been awesome. Like they've had a great year from him. Listen, my team's not in it. I'm only cheering for you if you deserve it. Yeah. You know, get in. Get in or don't. Now, let's do unfair predictions time.

Jesse and Steve. okay i'm gonna count the third place in the metro as a part of this and eliminate wild card one because i think the bruins have that pretty much locked okay yeah so you've got that's fair third place in the metro who gets it it's gonna be islanders philadelphia columbus new york washington islanders jesse the islanders so you guys are counting on the new coach bump interesting yeah in absence of like i don't know what magic it is but it works they've been consistent all year anyway right until recently okay wild card two i'm going to give you all the same teams and add a couple eastern teams or atlantic teams excuse me philadelphia ottawa new york islanders red

wings blue jackets capitals all within three points of each other the devils are at 83 points so they're out of it basically not yet not yet they're not mathematically eliminated exactly i think it has to be the devils it has to be ottawa doesn't it it doesn't have to be it does not have to be i'm gonna i'll say ottawa you're gonna say ottawa jesse blake who do you say the ottawa senators yeah so you guys are saying very likely that the flyers detroit columbus and washington miss did you buy you both have the same answers how many bad teams are in the east it's like three not a lot yeah not a lot i actually think the devils are better than what they've shown this year too they also have 40 wins yeah so yeah that's crazy yeah um they have

more wins than the next two teams ahead of them so they have as many wins in regulation what do they have many they as many they have as many wins as the ottawa senators the senators have just lost more in overtime would the devils have the most wins in the pacific uh i don't think so let me see how far off oh way off uh oh uh the islanders have 42 the penguins have 40 the devils have 40 that's the metro and sorry metro oh sorry you're talking about pacific oh sorry dumb dumb dummy dumb uh yeah they'd have the second most behind the ducks holy shit yeah wow yeah the caps i believe have the eighth most regulation wins in the league oh my god yeah so the the key is to lose more in overtime that's what we're saying here apparently man if only i lost a little bit

better than i lost you know um okay the caps got screwed this year yeah i'll be i'll be on that bandwagon forever they're the gold differentials in the positive you know looking at a team like the islanders who got a negative one like they they have a good roster and if a couple more bounces go their way they're in the playoffs and we're not even thinking about this race because we're all just like oh the Washington Capitals are a good team and they got third in the metro they're gonna they're gonna be back in the playoffs next year I think so I'm with you you know the greatest thing about building an e-commerce platform is that it was super easy and I know I didn't do it it was Jesse that did it uh and Jesse you use Shopify yeah but I only

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them and i was like okay all right whatever all right we'll bring up the oilers they lost to the golden knights where they could have had a five game point differential after that and now it's one they got their buttocks kicked so now one point separates the Oilers and the Golden Knights the Ducks and the Golden Knights because the Ducks and Oilers are tied in points but the Oilers have the tie break they are first in the division the Ducks could fumble this Ducks might not get home ice advantage they might not yeah and I do think if it's Golden Knights Ducks in the first round I'm leaning Golden Knights on I would also yeah you gotta you gotta go with experience that's going to be that's going to be my feedbacks for the for feedback for the ducks until they

overcome it now to give the Oilers some credit here I do give them a pass on some of these losses not because it's a great team but because you're missing your second best player who is the first best player on like 31 other teams and they didn't have Hyman yeah who's going to miss three games I think damn a good joke would have been and you don't have dry saddle yeah uh it's a it's it's listen it was a fun game to watch sure the Oilers are weirdly looking better they are but it's not still not great who do you think comes out as winner of the Pacific now two teams tied for first and then the Golden Vegas it's funnier if Vegas steals this yeah you're absolutely way funnier if John Tortorella coaches them to like eight and oh heading into the playoffs you know

marner in the heart conversation yeah why not absolutely the funniest outcome i'm going i'm going vegas jesse what do you think i'm willing to excuse that loss against the golden knights i think hyman being out is a factor i think if that game is a playoff game the roster is different and they're trying a little harder i think vegas needed it more and edmonton did what i asked them to do which what i've been asking them to do all season long which is string together wins they're coming off of a five game winning streak the last three games in that five game winning streak were indeed all in regulation which they hadn't done before that which is cool to see so i think they are ramping up here for a good little playoff push i'm going to be picking them to win a round

and two and possibly three and four in the in the playoff bracket i think they're going to win the division i think they're fine i'm not taking too much from that vegas gold knights game okay i do think the oilers are going to be fine too i think the oil is going to win this division i do i think the i think the goal i think the ducks have been they're squeezing their sticks a little too hard well okay question why win the pacific what do you gain from that uh well then you would play uh let's have a look at that steve uh you would then play uh the utah mammoth which is not going to be a fun matchup there are a point behind the edmonton oilers and ducks right now who has more recent playoff experience than the edmonton oilers nobody

who has less in the well oh man that's a that's a really good draw for the oilers yeah you have nothing but playoff experience and it's either the ducks or mammoth two teams who didn't make it last year yeah yeah i'll take it that'll be very interesting i think you have one goal you have one mission and that is to zap the ghosts of the past and what better time than the present and how how how many games do you give the ducks against the golden knights guys if they do have oh they've been they've been scrappy all year that's a close series yeah maybe a six game seven game yeah that's what i was thinking that's like a six game i'll say six yeah that's a good that's that and they all might even take the ducks in that series would you i don't know depending on

i might take the ducks they do have goaltending and vegas is still so shaky i'm not trusting carter hart i'm not trusting aiden hill at this point like i don't know ducks might sneaky win that series the ducks defense too is heavy like they're mean truba gudas lacombe's no joke like there's a there's a a scenario where they're sort of like you take a little of that florida and that new york from a couple of years ago and just oh yeah oh yeah no the ducks just start killing guys yeah that's absolutely a possibility there are guys on the golden knights that are sort of big up front barbachev being one of them but like not all of them and you can you can contain guys you push i think again with the the key with the golden knights because they couldn't score last

year in the playoffs either as much as they wanted to push them to the outside keep them to the outside as much as possible marner in the playoffs at least in toronto tended to play more of a perimeter game uh that's that's where you want him you're not going to hold him off the score sheet but you want him on the perimeter well then you're going to try to take the puck off cutter gotcha you're going to grind him in game one you're going to try to beckett seneca a beckett seneca leo carlson like it's just difficult to be that young of a player against the team that battle tested it's difficult it's not a disrespect thing it's just going by the law of percentages it's difficult for a team like that to win if we're doing our playoff pools today i would still

pick the ducks and the reason i would pick the ducks even though i think the golden knights might win that series it's your brand my friggin brand i love those guys i love those guys and by the way luke jesse nailed it lucas dostal man goalies will win your series oh yeah those are great so i did not realize john totorello was being reunited with carter hart i kind of forgot about that oh yeah aspect oh yeah i also didn't really understand hart's um health status and he's just he appears to randomly have become their starter well did you see the kind of a big fact i don't know if the play i don't know if it was anything but did you see the players not giving aiden hill the fist bump i people were making something of that it didn't look great but like

there was another angle where they maybe they might not have seen it yeah i don't know why would you win a game and then blow by them for no good reason exactly yeah i don't i don't buy that yeah i don't i don't think there's anything going on here i think you see nine seconds on twitter and people try and make a big deal about stuff how come eichel and dowd are such dicks i don't know if you can make anything of them can i also point out he's holding his hand weird yeah that's not a full fist bump he's holding it at hip height why there it is oh eichel doesn't give him a fist bump yeah everyone's uh poor aiden hill i'm like don't hold your hand like that that's odd that's that's odd that's odd anyway this episode is sponsored by better help

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That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash sdp for 10% off. Last thing I want to, or last major segment I want to do in this show. Have the Leafs considered actually losing games? Man. like that game was genuinely very funny it was it was great it's some of the most fun i've had on a stream this season good i'm glad that was so fun it didn't get really interesting i think till the third the third was fun and the overtime was fun that's a good game oh fantastic fucking game and i was like even if the kings make the playoffs i think they should give it to whoever's

under them like i think they should be disqualified that's not a playoff after that game that's not holy cow that was a desperate must win game and you allowed six darcy kemper shocking is it kemper or is it the yes it's defensive structure no it's kemper holy shit there was some lenis allmark level stuff there there was like man oh man yeah yeah no for it for in order for darcy kemper to be lenis allmark uh he will have to allow one goal on 30 shots next game followed by yeah he allowed what did the leafs get 20 shots i don't have it in front of me but he also allowed two disallowed goals yeah he allowed like eight shots on 22 or sorry eight goals on 20 i was bummed for nick robertson i know it was very

offside but i was bummed for him to have that goal called back and then he got no he got one he did get one but it was the first one was beautiful wicked shot yeah yeah yeah 20 uh 20 shots on goal for the Leafs 20 shots so yeah eight goals on 22 shots if you want to be a jerk about it but even if you don't six goals on 20 shots stinks ass and like a lot of them were just shots man oh yeah they were just one-on-one with the shooter bloop that first goal Matthew Nye scored I was just like, oh, that was real shitty. Yeah, I mean, these are currently seventh last in the league. The Panthers could pass them if they have a better next five games.

So then could the Kraken, who were supposed to be in a playoff race, their fifth last in the league. You crack in with Bobby McMahon on the heater of all heaters. I'm so mad at them. Me too. I need the I need the Leafs to lose. You're screwing over Bobby McMahon, and I hate you for it. it uh harry nancy and tyler hopkins both leaf draft picks uh have been signed to the toronto

marlies for the remainder of the season right nice quote-unquote professional tryouts that will start their elcs next year now you did a harry nancy video i sure did and that is on the sdp on youtube channel i'm gonna be uh doing a bunch of features tyler hopkins is actually next oh that's great now what can you tell me about harry nancy uh number 34 for the owen sound attack he is a fifth round pick from last year who only as a forward had 23 points so i remember being like okay i think he had six goals 17 assists why did they why did they pick this guy we first learned about harry nancy actually a few years ago he was part of a viral picture when he was oh man he must have been 12 years old or something like that holding six pucks because he scored six goals

in a game. Um, uh, played with the Owen sound attack, had a much larger role this season and started like an absolute bat out of hell, um, on the Owen sound attack power play. Uh, he ended with over 50 points. Let me just get my notes out here, but here's the problem with his season. I divided his season into quarters. Like I did when we did a profile on Easton Cowan a couple years ago. First 17 games played, six goals, 17 assists, 23 points, 34 shots on goal.

Second 17, four goals, 10 assists, 14 points, 36 shots on goal. So the shots stayed relatively even, points went down. Third quarter, no goals, five assists, five points, 15 shots on goal. That to me is the most concerning part. So now you're not even getting shots.

And then three goals, 11 assists, 14 points in his final 16 games because he didn't play a full 68 19 shots on goal so if you want to divide it in the halves 10 goals 27 assists 37 points in 34 games versus three goals 16 assists 19 points in 33 games but this is going to make you laugh the owens sound attack because of injuries did something to harry nancy that as it turns out when you're a winger makes it more difficult to play hockey they made him a center because of injuries they dropped him down lines um and just life was really difficult he had no points in four games in the playoffs but apparently a flu bug just ravaged the team and they they were never going to do much anyway in the playoffs

they're a really young team don't have a ton of 20 or 19 year olds but um you're looking for they were eliminated they were eliminated yeah so you're looking for them they were swept by the flint firebirds who murdered them i think they had double digit goals twice oh um but that happens in the ohl playoffs it's not uncommon um all you're looking for is year over year improvement and he more than doubled his point total from the year before yeah um he they also have pearson buoy uh on that team hopefully he stays in the ohl next year and doesn't go to a college or something uh and if that's the case those two are gonna wreck shop together for the owen sound attack and that'll be awesome now uh the other thing uh we should talk about marley's by the way

have not clinched a playoff spot yet oh but they should they should they should they also have like 50 people on the roster i told you i said they keep adding people and berube will not let any of them play no definitely not um uh or the marley uh for the marley he's gonna go down there yeah he's oh is he under 20 fuck him will villeneuve up with the team did not play on saturday did not play but he played the night before took a five or six hour flight i understand that you better freaking play wednesday yeah i mean they've had enough time or is it tomorrow no it's wednesday no it's wednesday you better freaking play tomorrow um i mean wednesday jesus sorry it's the end of the show uh now the the miroslav helenka uh scored his whl playoff

leading seventh goal in double overtime to send the series between edmonton and saskatoon to game seven that happened last night not that man man does he look good there's another guy there's another guy who was a fifth round pick um of the of the leafs and uh good work brad yeah go brad well really go alan walsh yeah really and that is a noted alan walsh client so we're rooting for him extra hard uh darren drager reported on uh tsn i believe it was over the weekend uh that um despite what Pelly said to kick off the press conference that Keith Pelly

was actually deeply involved in player personnel decisions and we have independently heard that from a few other places so whatever he told you don't really believe it even if it's a technicality or whatever

Keith Pelly was involved and again I think it speaks to the fact that Keith Pelly looks horrible right now not just to you but to roger's upper management that he is going to have to take a step back from this you are not the guy you are not the hockey guy i had a friend i'm going to tell you a story i had a friend who was hired by a major club that's all i'm going to say and my friend is a business guy and the major club president said okay so it's great that you did all this business stuff right you've you've passion uh what would you do with the club on the field my friend looked

at him and said excuse me and he said well what kind of players would you bring in this this offseason again i'm trying to be you know with this with the sport and he said i don't know he's like that's not what i do and the club president said exactly you're hired and that is what keith needs to understand mr pelly needs to understand that he is not the guy that brings in the left winger oh i don't know i'm not the guy that does the left winger here's the thing you thought you were so you might not be going forward but you thought you were i i heard here's how bad things are like we keep talking about running six sports teams um which is really nine no disrespect to the esports yeah the toronto coy are very upset with you right now so someone who

who works for mlse yesterday told me um in one of their mail rooms one of their main mail rooms when they were just coming in and making cuts because what they talk about within mlse is not the lack of team success they talk about well you laid off all my friends that's what they're upset about right so keith pelly comes in lays off all their friends and in the mail room they like fired the main person in charge of receiving mail and it took them very little time to realize oh no one's here to receive the mail so they reached out to the guy who they laid off and they said hey sorry about that shouldn't have laid you off would you like your job back and that person told them yeah for triple my salary so who's handling it now not him they chose to instead go with a bunch of

interns maple leaf sports and entertainment is going with interns they are wreck they are messing up the most basic features of a company well because forget winning games it's headcount they're always like oh headcount headcount headcount that's that's how he operates well if you're headcount over ring count that's what you're gonna get it's what you're gonna get even get a guy to get the mail can't even get a guy to get the mail ai to do the mail and like really simple things like uh during the world cup uh if there are multiple games in a day you have to work like if you're one of the concessions people or whatever if there are multiple games in a day you have to work both games and the employees are like well no we don't uh we're union and that

is about um that is about tenure what am i seniority that's about seniority and if i don't want to do the second game or the first game that is my right and rogers wouldn't know anything about that they're not union so they're in deep shit they're in deep deep shit i i you know i saw a lot of people reference harold ballard over the weekend when we were talking about the the things that they're upselling and i think they were right the most prominent comment is harold ballard would applaud this and they're right and i think um you know i i hope that this this organization that they hire to help them hire people is the right one um some people have said they're a scam those types of organizations i could see that as well i think sid six era our buddy was saying that

um and and you know in a lot of cases consultant agencies are a scam they're a total fucking scam i'm praying that my take is right which is keith realized oh i'm bad at this and i better get someone else to do it that's what i'm praying but i don't know the consultants couldn't do a worse job than he would that's that's like at least it would be a bad decision made by multiple people yeah instead of one like that's where the bar is man it's bleak i feel bad for anybody who took anything keith pelly said in that press conference at face value i don't care if he said that he wasn't involved in decision making he definitely was i don't care if he says that we're gonna take a hard look at this organization and invest money into it and we're not cheap

because they definitely are. I think the way his tenure has gone so far has been a disaster and nothing he has done so far has given me any confidence in him. And his words mean nothing to me. It's about his actions. And I don't think I should just hope and pray that his actions turn around because there's nothing for me to believe that they will. I think as long as he's running this thing the way he has been it could be a long dark time for the least i you know he's done a poor job but i maintain it's an impossible job and that goes above him that goes above him you fire keith pelly you bring in some other guy i don't know how much attitude now to hire a president he does he does have that you you just got to be smart enough to do it you have to know what you

don't know for the love of god and hire the right people for the raptors hire the right people for the leafs hire the right people for tfc like what why are you that involved in hiring uh hiring signing james sergeant uh with uh is it james sergeant uh yeah uh yeah logan sergeant no logan is that one driver no no well now james sergeant is actually sorry that's the name of my great grandfather um sorry my bad that sergeant name is in the family um why why are you involved in that why are you being consulted on ahl signings like that's insane why are you dropping heiji at a press conference because you were involved with the whatever nice discussion was involved in trading uh heiji and nice yeah and you did that you did that for clout to make it seem like you

know what you're talking about. And it had the exact opposite effect. For the love of God, hire people and shut up. But when he arrived at MLSC, it was, I assume, his plan that he presented to Rogers to get rid of the president's role because he thought he could handle all of this and just do it himself. We're going to cut a bunch of salaries, huge salaries and people in charge of these businesses. And then now these guys are going to report directly to me because I'm Keith pelly and that is a ridiculous way to enter an organization and where would that directive have come from himself i think it would have come from above him because he's got to cut costs and no but i i think he presented that to ownership when they were looking oh yeah the

job his job well when they're like hey keith we want to hire you for this he says to edward i want to do these things and then edward's like yeah that's a cool no but he was also the the the pick that bell rogers and larry could agree on that's why it took them so long right so keith's not even really the rogers guy so he he pitched a foolish idea to an owner owner because adam is right it was all three of them yeah owners he pitched a foolish idea to owners that he knew they would pick regardless of whether or not it was foolish because the owners are marks like i said ed rogers is a mark how much does keith belly make in a year a lot more than you probably eight to ten million a lot more i would i would think that like i know i know like to run you

know major organizations say like the rangers or something like that that's what you would 10 million eight to ten in some case now a lot of like if you're just running an nhl franchise it's probably more like two to three million but if you're if you're in the neighborhood of oh you're running a media organization and you're running multiple teams yeah you got to look at if you're an executive, you're like, well, it might be $2 million a franchise, right? Or $3 million on the high end for the big franchises and $500,000 for the other ones. And I don't know many companies. I don't know many companies that are worth $6 and $7 billion, which the Leafs and Raptors are on the open market. If they sold today, the Raptors and the Leafs would both go

for... Their valuations might be $4, $4.5, but their actual market value would be $7 because of the private money. You look at that and you go, yeah, let's just not have somebody running that full time in what business world does that make sense yeah but that's what that's what he entered the job and did yeah and and that was his this was his idea and why i think rogers is pissed is because you look at the role mark shapiro has that's not different than messiah shanning mark shapiro has that job does the business and the baseball by the way and i think keith probably thought i could do the business and the baseball and the basketball and the soccer and the esports and why why do the jays have that setup and the leafs do not because as i've said

for months the blue jays are the only team ed rogers gives a flying fuck about they had that setup for 10 years and it was a very successful 10 years in terms of regular season success and just overall success in the franchise yeah and then they got rid of it and it's been a disaster for two years go figure i look why do you need to own seven holy i i don't think it's i don't think it's really that steve i really do think it's it's you you hire somebody you let them do their job they fuck it up you fire them and i think that's where keith is like if keith if the leafs get out to a bad start it's already in that's part of the cycle yeah if the leafs get out to a bad start on october he's gone he knows that it doesn't matter that the tfc are looking better

doesn't matter that the raptors are making the playoffs it does not matter they're playing the raptors are being let to just go twist in the wind there that's a middling team and i think i'm blaming rogers for that yeah because there's been no oversight on this franchise maybe they make some changes in the off season but that i think that's another part of their portfolio that they've kind of just left and they're just mid and they've reached the ceiling of what they can be on the court and that's on rogers this is torture it well and that's the thing you don't want to be talking about executive like when did we ever bring up michael freesdale never the previous ceo of mlse you didn't know that fucking guy's name you know why did i would have smart enough to go i'm not

being involved in that shit if you did i'd be like adam i don't care yeah exactly this is the thing so i think i think this is kelly or kelly pelly said k pelly said this is the most important hire i will make here i agree with him that's the one thing you can trust him on because if he doesn't get it right now it doesn't matter if it was right the right hire three years from now it better be good in october if it's not goodbye october yep that soon he declared into a microphone we are not rebuilding which isn't his decision at all but now i'm holding him to that well i'm not hey i'm not involved in player personnel decisions but we're not rebuilding that means you're involved okay so you take your guess who board of all the executives you could hire i'm not rebuilding okay

well flick flick flick flick flick flick flick you knock down all the guys who are like well i'd rebuild there's a lot of them who would and there's a lot of them who are pretty smart guys and you eliminated them from the search and when i say i'm holding him to that i'm holding him to that if the leafs stink like you're saying that he deserves to be fired because he said we're not gonna stink we're not gonna rebuild so then you better be good keith and if you're not then you failed at your job and you should be fired there was a story i heard years ago uh the and this is how clueless they've always been um they fire brian burke uh before the season and then shortly after tim lewicky comes in that's right who was fantastic yeah and was he the ceo yes he was yeah

the big head honcho yes he big head honcho just came in from the lakers yeah and they go tim who would you hire to be uh gm of the leafs and he said brian burke but they had just fired it was rogers and bell that didn't think brian burke was professional enough in the corporate environment to stay that's why he got fired good lord and then they let dave notice take over and tank the team now i want to quickly mention this uh frege did say on saturday night that one of the guys that they're probably looking at which gave gives me some happiness and hope is sunny meta the agm from the florida panthers who's done all their analytics sounds good to me great who's his boss but yeah and this is the thing here's what's interesting again if sunny met is the guy in there he's gonna

have a lot more pull than a dubious would because sonny met has been to three straight cup finals he's got two rings even if doug armstrong maybe i said this on friday even if doug armstrong is the president sonny's gonna be able to be like how many rings you got how many recent rings do you got exactly so i want a guy like that with some success that makes me happy i hope he's in if it's kevin adams like there's no shot i don't mind being an agm but what are we doing it won't be no it won't be you don't think so unless unless anyway we'll leave it at that Leif's don't play till Wednesday and

Thursday this week so we got some time off thank God maybe we can spend some time with our families take a breather from these people lots going on this week exciting one and I will be streaming Wednesday night so that'll be exciting as well and then anything else we're missing

the most important part of the show with Montreal Canadians oh I played twice over the weekend Panderfest I'm really I'm willing to excuse that loss against new jersey it was back to back against new jersey i love a little home and home series reminds me of reminds me of uh different times you know and you guys just play every night and see old days anyway yeah both teams play each other both days back in their own barns they lose that second game against new jersey but that's the sixth game in like nine nights or

whatever it is a lot of hockey you're gonna lose some games yeah you're not gonna go a perfect the record to end the season so they lose that one that's okay but arbor and bassey wrote a great piece in the athletic about their run to the playoffs here and playing the right style of hockey and the one player he highlighted was arbor jacki who was top of conversation a couple weeks ago when he was playing forward for a little bit because they needed the help and carrie is going to be out for i think he said like two to four weeks ish so jack has gotten in the lineup and jack eyes now playing defense over trying to be physical and that a little a little twist in just your mentality they're heading into the most important part of the season which is the playoffs

for a guy like jack eye is really good to see he's making the little decisions where it's just i'm out there trying to take somebody's head off he's not running out there like michael posetta every time he's on the ice he's actually trying to play good defense and i think top to bottom on the canadians lineup martin saint louis has them playing a very special kind of team hockey and getting a guy like jack guy to buy in on that side of the game is a lot of promise for them because they might need him depending on how long carries out jack i might get into a couple playoff games here which isn't something i think they anticipated like a couple days ago a week ago so uh seeing him play that right style of hockey i think deserved a little highlight and

a shout out i like it sorry i didn't know what else to say good for them you say no well this isn't about the leafs oh no you're jealous you're jealous yeah we are a little jealous i'm a lot jealous what yeah i've been telling you that very openly and willingly for a long time um i and i'm gonna be now that they've clinched a spot i'm gonna be streaming habs games that's right yeah we talked 20 minutes about the sabers clinching a spot where's the montreal canadian it's not surprising they've been to the finals in the last five years no choo choo choo here comes the train nobody saw the savers nobody saw the montreal canadians coming this season the chat on saturday was just train noises it was it was great i liked watching

thanks a lot keith you boner oh my god i can't believe he just threw that grenade into the playing some of the best hockey of his life mike matheson is all right they're all good we get it jesse can we uh he's the guy back there to control all the young good happening all that happening oliver captain and name the whole fucking roster uh that's the plan um fowler is back he allowed a couple goals on sunday but you can't win a game if your team doesn't score goals for you and speaking of scoring goals strubel yes strubel got in there there you go yeah um yeah suzuki tabs are good does he hit 100 cole caulfield does he hit 50 does he have a does he have a better heart case than mckinnon because mckinnon's a merchant on empty net yes moving on

um man and don't forget lane hudson is still better than matthew schaefer i think don't you Go back and give Slivkovsky a retroactive Calder. It's just true. Just for how great. Also, thank you to everybody who reached out to me in my DMs on Instagram or wherever you message me. Nick Suzuki, Steve, you can't jinx him because he's never missed a game before.

Did you get some of those messages? A couple weeks ago when we were talking about how Nick Suzuki, he might miss a game at the end of the season. He has never missed a game. He actually has the Ironman streak behind Brent Burns. so i don't think he's gonna miss a game just to sit out for health reasons what is there for rest what is their next game uh the montreal canadians next game is give me one second they play the panthers on tuesday okay great what's the game after that the lightning on thursday yeah he's

not playing in that game way to go jesse why he's gonna get hurt in their next game he doesn't true he doesn't miss games yeah okay he's never missed a game he twisted his ankle skateboarding to work because of sam bennett does who texted him after yeah right yeah that's his teammate nick suzuki passed brent burns and phil kessel wow oh that's interesting he's at 5 32 5 32 that's really good the last time brent burns missed a game was a few months into this podcast i know crazy crazy yeah i think we got a long way to go to talk about suzuki doing that but it's amazing that he's done what he's done oh yeah like would never take away from that that's incredible uh it could still happen could still buy a bit uh to wrap it up big shout out to parker

witherspoon for punching matthew kachuk in the face and matthew kachuk oh that was fun oh shout out sydney crosby for extending the point of game streak yeah you didn't bring it up damn it good thing you wrote it down shout out josh anderson brendan gallagher jake evans the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete