The Steve Dangle Podcast - Seattle | December 4, 2018

Episode Date: December 5, 2018

WE HAD AUDIO ISSUES AGAIN THIS PODCAST, STEVE MIC IS FAILING AND YOU WILL HEAR INTERMITTENT STATIC NOISE. WE ARE VERY SORRY. On this episode, William Nylander is a Toronto Maple Leaf (00:00), Brian Burke says a terrible thing (16:00), Josh Leivo is traded to the Vancouver Canucks for Michael Carcone (36:00), Penguins Trade Daniel Sprong To Ducks For Marcus Pettersson (48:00), Seattle is getting an NHL franchise in 2021! (51:30), Red Wings’ Tyler Bertuzzi suspended 2 games for punching Matt Calvert (1:14:00), and the press conference: Mark Hunter and light bulbs (1:28:00). Originally aired: December 4, 2018 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/Ui061Fj2TS0 Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.C.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde Projected Lines Leafs vs. Sabres Hyman, Tavares, Matthews Marlow

Matthews, Kapanen Lindholm, Kadri, Brown Ennis, Gauthier, Janssen That's Kappy He was like, in what world Does Nazem Kadri have worse line mates than Freddie Gauthier? And I think that's mean. I think that's mean.

Listen. Man. It's a good lineup. Poor Connor Brown. But it's going to get better. It is going to get better. We don't know when William Nylander plays, but it will not be tonight against Buffalo.

And it's too bad because Buffalo is looking pretty damn good right now. Yeah. I mean, that's a tough first game back, though. That's a smart move. And I wonder, too, the first team that gets him back. If I'm William Nylander, I'm not sure I want to start against Boston my first game because you know Brad Marchand is going to give you a $6.5 million butt end to the stick to the throat. A slew foot.

Well, and you attack him as well. That line is already going to draw a lot of attention to Austin Matthews, but that's a potential vulnerable spot, right? I don't care how naturally gifted the guy is. Is his win there? Is he going to be rusty? Well, even Matthews said, and Matthews went through training camp. He's like, after my first period back, he scored.

He's like, oh, I felt like crap. The Leafs were terrible for the first three and a half games. I still remember. Imagine the Leafs win the Cup this year. In the first period of the third game of the season against Chicago, I just went, this team looks awful. Because they did. They did.

They looked terrible. And then they looked even worse against the Senators the next game. Was that the next game? They lost that game that Saturday night against Ottawa. I don't think it was the next game. No, I think the Sens were game two. That's why they looked terrible. I was at the Habs game, the first game, where they looked terrible but won.

And Tavares is a Leaf, and so is Matthews. And then they lost to the Sens the next night. And this is when we still thought the Sens were going to finish with like 25 points in the standings. Negative 25. Yeah, seriously. And then they get off to the terrible start Against Chicago and I'm like I'm sorry I thought they might struggle to start the season

But what the hell is this team And now they're 19-8 Can I make a prediction please William Nylander scores Plays in his first game Next Tuesday Versus Carolina Scores that game against Curtis McElhinney

I like that too And then Carolina will be like Ah we should have given them Brett Pesci and Brown in a second. I have no idea. And then it's going to be glad you didn't trade him to the Hurricanes.

This proves it. Hey, prepare for this to be super annoying. Here, I'm going to make a prediction. We've been given the Islanders guff for having a really high PDO. We've been yucking their yum. That's for sure.

Yeah, a little bit. And they've been yumming a high shooting percentage and save percentage. Sure have. Delicious. No more. No more.

When their PDO comes crashing down, but the Leafs have a really high one too. Oh. I learned that from charting hockey. Interesting. I don't know who that is. I'm kidding. I know exactly who it is.

I was like, you mentioned him every episode. Okay, so William Nylander contract. Oh yeah, this is our first one. Six years, 44.177. Is it 41.77 million or something like that? I don't care. but regardless the number that matters is 6.9 nice one 6.9 now when you look at when you looked

at that contract because we we had a bit of a heads up we had like a five minute heads up before it broke that it was happening yes um and my initial thought was like first off i didn't believe the person uh but second when you think about well i wasn't like anyway i was like i thought i thought that that they were that they were messing with us because you know they would be the kind to mess with us um but anyway i want to i want to know from you what was your initial reaction forget all the other stuff about being relieved and whatever what's your reaction to the number they got him at uh i'm happy that i remember a few weeks ago i was like listen just sign him for seven which they basically did but just sign even seven point something it's fine just get it

done get the deal done so the fact that they were able to get kneelander for under seven is good but they didn't this contract is 7.5 million two five it's just two five isn't it seven it's 45 divided by six no but that's the thing but that's all i care about no but so they couldn't get him under seven unless they had done this whole shenanigans that's fine until december 1st that's not my money i don't care if they were 8 and 18 i care i don't care how much money the leave spend don't give it 45 divided by six is 7.5 true true cap hit is 7.5 million dollars they didn't sign him for under seven no the cap hit in reality the cap hit is 6.9 there you go that's all i care about yeah okay listen just but the six leaves games last year

drank it all of them i've paid for half of neil andrews contract partly because it was worried about this contract. It's under seven against the cap. That's all that matters. Yeah, because really it's about what it fits under the cap. Who cares how much they're actually paying? Not every team has that luxury. The whole waiting to December 1st was completely necessary.

Unnecessary or necessary? Necessary. Yeah, I was annoyed because when they tweeted, when it was announced, well, it's 6.9 million. I'm like, I know. I know. Mark Savard called it on this podcast. I'm going to pretend like you called it on this podcast.

Well, he texted you during the podcast, so that helps. That helps. And he confirmed it. Yeah, I just – it's 6.9. That's all I care about. All I care about. I don't care about the dollar amount. And they survived, didn't they?

Mm-hmm. They survived that Nylander stretched off to their best start since 1934, proving that Nylander is only their seventh best player. Well, we'll get into that. We're going to get into that. Now, the initial relief in that sort of, like, I don't know about you, but I feel like, and I've said this before, I think that the season, the start that they've had, which is the best start we've seen in our lifetime, well, actually in the last couple, maybe three, four generations

that we've seen. It's bananas. It's insane. And none of it, it's not getting any attention. Their best start since Don Cherry was born. There you go. The year Don Cherry was born. The year Don Cherry was born.

1934. Wow. That's a long time ago. And that's when the world was a better place. According to Don Cherry You know Come on let's go Come on let's go

Let's go We don't got a lot of time Okay so You know obviously I thought it was funny Because as soon as that contract came out I looked at it and I'm like Well how can anyone criticize that

That's pretty good And I looked And I looked at Because you We've talked about this before Caps going up to 83 million Assuming There is no lockout

Or work stoppage I expect the cap to go up About three Three and a half million dollars Just about every year You might have a year where it goes up two, but ultimately most of the time it's going to go about three because that's what it's been.

That's what it's been doing. So you can really own past predictors, future behaviors, right? So in about three years, they're going to be up to $90 million. And I look at Neil Anderson's deal, and I think this deal midway through is going to look, if he projects to be what he is, it will be a steal. For good for Drake, a consistent 61, 60-point player in three years. Man, guys like Evander Kane, James Van Riems.

Paul Stastny, I think, is a good one. Well, I brought him up when talking about Nazem Kadri. Nazem Kadri makes $4.5 million. If he hits understricted free agency, do you think he gets out of bed for less than $7 million? No. Paul Stastny gets 6.5 3 years 6.5 Kneelander a consistent 60 point player

Should be able to ask for What Kneelander is getting Minimum A guy that I look at Now given this was a different situation Because he was an unrestricted free agent When Boston signed him But David Backus I think is a perfect example

Of a 60 point player On average he hasn't been lately Back in the day Went healthy in his prime Backus in the day but he was paid two and a half three years ago six million dollars a year as a ufa as a ufa to be a 50 to 60 point player that's already what the cost is that's the market value three years ago so to get him at this deal i think the leafs gave up something i think neil andrew gave up

something and it's like okay well you met in the middle the leaf started at six you started at eight you met in the middle now here's the problem and well not the problem but this this year i really, really, really, really think they should go for it. They have the space. They're one of the best teams in the league. Go for it. The problem is next year you're going to need young cheap players because even though

a lot of people have been banging the drum that it's doable, it's going to be tight. It's going to be real tight. What no one's talking about is how I don't think the Leafs are going to trade Marleau. I just don't think it's going to happen. But once he's off the books, they're laughing. Oh, you're in trouble.

They're laughing. Oh, I'm talking about the rest of the league. Oh, you've been naughty and you're in trouble. Listen, here's Ian Tulloch with his roster prediction for next year. And I was in the middle of doing my own, and I'm like, eh, you've already done the work. I had Kapanen at 3.5. I had Janssen at 2.

He's got Kapanen at 3.5 and Janssen at 2.5. So here's his lineup prediction for next year. Andreas Janssen, $2.5 million, with Austin Matthews making $12 million, Nylander $6.9 million. So the line is Janssen, Matthews, Nylander. Listen, I don't need to tell you the dollar amounts. Here's the lineup, and it's under $83 million. It's about $82.2 million.

Janssen, Matthews, Nylander. Hyman, Tavares, Marner. Marlo, Kadri, Kapanen. Grundstrom, Adam Brooks, which I disagree with. whatever, and veteran PTO at 700 grand. Can't be done. Yes, it can. Happens every year.

Tyler Ennis is one of them. Here's their defense, and I think this is a bit of a problem. Morgan Riley, Mark Pissick. So this involves a couple trades. He traded Connor Brown, and he traded Nikita Zaitsev. There's going to be moves, but this is obviously a fantasy scenario. Morgan Riley with Mark Pissick. Travis Dermott with Nick Jensen.

Callie Rosen with Timothy Liljegren. Hey. Okay. And Anderson Sparks. He gave Sparks a raise to $1 million, which is not a ton. Scratches. Gautier, Marincin, Hall. So it's not a –

Of course he kept Marincin. Of course. Of course. It's not a terribly different – and Hall. It's not a terribly different team, but there's still struggles on D. Well, and let's assume it goes from $83 million to $86 million. And the fourth line is suspect. 83 million, 86 million

By the way, why wouldn't you Part Lindholm isn't bad People need to stop Like he's been a He's a Come on Like come on With that

Why the hate on him? Lindholm and Ozhiganov Are tougher contracts to predict Because they're depth But they're also veterans And it's gonna maybe take some money to keep them But they might not deserve it And maybe you just cut bait

I don't know The yada yada yada of it all I like Lindholm I do too More than most people I like Ogigenov too I think he's been playing great Totally

Given what his Listen Is he a top four guy No But given what his skill is And given the way We were talking about Roman Polak last year

We don't talk about Igor Ogigenov And in that role You don't want to talk about Igor Ogigenov I like him just fine And by the way In case any of you

Are wondering Nathan Horton is on LTIR In this scenario But it can be done And you can still put together A pretty good team And not lose a ton of assets So for everyone saying good luck

By the way Matthew's in this scenario This is an important part Is making 12 Marner's making 9 So 21 combined million dollars How far off from the truth is that going to be I don't think it's that far I'm just not so quick to get rid of Zaitsev

Or Ojugano I think that Zaitsev will be traded The one thing we do know Is that Nikita Zaitsev has value And you might laugh as a Toronto Maple Leafs fan To other NHL teams Right handed defenseman So automatically you're paying more.

And I have to tell you, $4 million. $4.5. I thought it was $4. Is about what you're paying. Yeah, so I think we have two points. We have one, so pay him. Well, he played really well when he was on the power play. So a team that could use a power play.

Like the Oilers would be great for Nikita Zaitsev because he'd have to play on the power play. I see what you're doing. I'm just calling. What are you trying to trade him to get? I don't know what you're going to get. I think it's one of those things where you have to be confident. If you are trading Nikita Zaitsev, you have to be confident that one of Sandin or Lilligren are ready to step in.

And, of course, you want them to step in before the end of the regular season, which would be very hard to do because unless there's an injury, Oji Ghanem's kind of got that spot on lock. Sandin looks real good. Sure does. I'm excited to watch both Sandin and Lilligren at the World Juniors. Me too. Because they're both lent to Sweden.

So I think, I mean, we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Let's just enjoy this ride. But I definitely think the Leafs are going to be fine. And when you look at, when I was going to say originally, cap 83 next year, let's say for argument's sakes, it's 85 the year after. Patrick Marlowe makes how much? 6.25. Okay.

So you've got 6.25 off the books plus a $2 million raise on the cap. Yeah. And you're going to have guys- That's $8.5 million, people. Yep. You're going to have, maybe you bridge a guy. It's manageable. It's manageable.

If you can manage next year, I think every year after that is going to be easy. This is why you fight so hard to lock Nylander down. Once Matthews and Marner are done, you have your core forever, basically. Not forever, but for over half a decade. And core plus Morgan Riley, who's up in three years after this one. I would say Corgan Riley because I would call him part of it. But wouldn't you say those are the five guys? Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Riley.

And Anderson, I guess, too. All the guys on the star on my Christmas tree. And yeah, Anderson is among them. And man, by the way, Anderson, five million bucks? Yeah, that's a pretty good deal. Pretty good deal. Now, I had to be – when I was standing in the mall waiting for Caprice to come out of the candle shop that was so busy, it looked like a mosh pit. Yankee candle?

No, it was Bath and Body Works. Great. Anyway, so I'm standing there and I'm looking at the reaction to the contract and everybody's pretty positive about it. And then, of course, watch Hockey Night in Canada. and I was crapping my pants Adam because I was

five minutes to land oh really yeah well because I was hosting hockey oh that's right god I forgot sorry not to cut off

your story no but I I don't know if you caught it but I'm sure you caught Brian Burke's rant and I'm sure you caught Don Cherry's

rant no well because we're doing the show right so we're watching everything oh the rant was posted so what's interesting about

do you want to play it and then I'll just insert it I've heard he said that Nylander was the seventh best player and yeah that's all

and that the Leafs were not a contender. You know what? Jesse, we'll pull it up. I'm going to let you watch it, because I think it's important that you watch it, and then we're going to discuss it. My objection to the Nylander deal is twofold. One, he's the sixth best player on the team.

These guys are all much closer to the top of their team, if not number one, or number two, or number three at worst. He's the sixth best, arguably the seventh best player on the Toronto Maple Leafs, and they paid him all this money. I also think if they were going to throw this much money at him, They should have done it in August and not had him miss training camp. If you're going to give away the farm like this, do it early and get him in camp. So you feel William Nylander won this standoff.

Essentially, it was done with five minutes left. I do believe he did. And also, I think the notion that you'll put more money on the table late, that's a lesson that the other agents for these other players are going to learn is, with Toronto, all you have to do is hold out and they'll up the ante. And that's dangerous ground, Boyd. We just saw some incredible names on that list. And Western Canadian fans, you know, when you look at the likes of T'Chuk

and you look at Besser, et cetera. What are the other GMs now feeling when they see the Nylander deal fall into place? Panic. The numbers have changed now, and just this afternoon, all the numbers changed on all these guys. So they were hoping this would come in with a six.

It came in much higher. Their numbers, they were thinking, well, if he's the sixth best player, I might have to start with a seven, five, or an eight, and it's going to start with an eight now and go up from there. So seeing that for the first time. I don't understand.

First of all, what do you swing? you know what he's mad all the time though that's the weird part is like it's interesting you get it i'm always angry he seemed to be not understanding now i'll give him this the news was pretty fresh at this point so i'm not sure all the nuance had come out yet although i that's a tough thing right yeah i mean i'm learning i just the thing is is that But, I mean, of course, the whole point of a negotiation is you have to kind of come up at the end. And Brian knows that. What came out from Frank Saravalli was that the Leafs came in with a number that started at five.

Or started with five. Oh, wow. What? That's as ludicrous as Nylander starting with eight. Yes. They both went in knowing that was never going to happen. Exactly. And that's the weird part about it is that he's so –

That's one of the best contracts in the National Hockey League, if it happens. I'm curious about... Which means it's a rip-off. I'm curious about, for Brian, who he expects is better than Nylander on this team. Oh, easy. Tavares? Matthews? Marner?

You know, there's... Hold on. But what puts him in seventh? Then you could argue Riley and Anderson. Okay, if you count the guys... Riley, Anderson, Gardner? No, he's sixth if you count guys who aren't forwards. Because you go Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Riley, Anderson, Nylander.

Six. So there you go. You cannot compare a goalie to a skater. Yeah, but he's the seventh best player on the team. And he's talking about guys that have – three of those guys have well over 400 games of NHL experience. Are you out of your mind? Are you out of your mind?

This guy's 21. Riley signed his deal, I think, when he was 22. and Kadri signed his deal when he was, I want to say, 24, but still an RFA. Listen, Nylander is getting market value. Guys who produce like Nylander at his age and are RFAs make that money. It's almost the exact same percentage that Pasternak got, by the way. Pretty much. It's a slight increase on Pasternak.

and and it's like it's almost like a like a one year increase almost like the cap went up over that one year and the percentage of cap is about the same it's almost like oh it's the same it's the bloody and Pasternak when he signed that deal wasn't Pasternak he wasn't you didn't know he was as good no one did come on stop he just wasn't Pasternak yet if Nylander is current Nylander over the course of this deal, it's a win. If he's better, oh, you're in trouble. You're in so much trouble. Now, the argument that I'm sure Burke is making

and some other people are making is that money would be better spent elsewhere. I got time for that argument. I have time for it. But he didn't make that argument. He said they're not a contender, and he said he's the seventh best. I thought he was going there.

That was in, that was, no, later on in the broadcast, he said not a contender. Oh, I was about to say it. I was waiting for that. No, he, that was just, honestly, no, no, even James Myrtle had it in his article. He's like, what do you mean not a contender? What's he talking about? And this is the thing.

Listen, I have a hard time believing that D.Core can win four rounds or two. Well, would you have said the same thing with Ron Hainsey and Brian Dumoulin? Yeah. Exactly. That's why, I think that's why we still talk about it. Exactly. You know? But my point in saying this.

Can't win a cup with Ante Niemi in it. Is that it is utter, and I tweeted this, it's utter lunacy. That, and James nailed it. I read his article at 4 a.m. today because I was wide awake for some reason. And he said, it seems like sour grapes. And that's what it seems like. In Brian's case, it seems a little bit like he's upset that he's not the guy. And I have to tell you, to me, it doesn't look, that doesn't look,

and I don't think they bring Brian Burke in to be fair and balanced. And I would say this to him. This does not seem like a measured or reasonable approach. And that's not an insult to Brian. It just seems like he was – first off, he seems ticked off about something. What I got from that – I don't understand what the anger is. What I got from that is he was trying to give almost like apprenticeship sort of advice to Kyle Dubas,

the 30 – just turned 33-year-old GM of the Leafs. And he's been in the game for – is Burke double that age? Yeah. He's probably close to it. He's been in the game for a very long time. Guy was GM of the Whalers. Guy was GM of a team that doesn't exist anymore. You know, wouldn't do this with a kid.

Probably saying, listen, this is early in your tenure. You're setting a bad precedent. I understood what you were saying. I just disagree. I disagree. Listen, if you think Nylander's making too much, of course you're going to feel this way. But to me, my personal opinion, he's not making too much.

Nylander is making what Nylander should be making. And then Don Cherry later on in the broadcast talked about, I forget even what he said, but it was along those same lines. Oh, he can't do that. You know, setting a bad precedent with Matthews and Marner. You know what would have set a bad precedent with Matthews and Marner? Not getting him signed. Or trading him.

You think Austin Matthews, who is watching, and I think people make a really good point about this. You may not agree, but do you think that Austin Matthews, looking at Mitch Marner and John Tavares when he was sitting on his couch for a month rehabbing his shoulder. Maybe he wasn't at the couch. Maybe he was at the games.

On the bike. On the bike, whatever. Do you think he enjoyed going, my star winger isn't here? And this is the thing. Of course, you know what Matthews is going to be like? I believe in this process now. Marner, I believe in this process now.

The Kyle Bukowskis interview? Have you texted Willie since he signed? And Matthews just goes, yeah. and skates away with this huge smile on his face. Now, you know, some of you might think it's a nefarious smile, like, ah, I'm going to ask for all the money, ha, ha, ha. Or it's my line is back. My boy's coming back.

And we're going to be sick, and everyone's in so much trouble. Well, that's the thing. And I guess it seemed a bit odd for Brian because I think he's been very, very good on the broadcast. I think he's been a phenomenal broadcaster since, well, well before he was a broadcaster. Every time you put that guy on TV, people watch, and that's why he's so great. But in that particular take, that just seemed way off balance. It was way, I expect that from Don Cherry.

I don't expect that from Brian Burke. Can I throw something out there for, maybe I'm giving away government secrets and I shouldn't be doing this. For everyone who's not a Leafs fan listening to this right now, I want you to consider this. I think some people feel pressure. Some people in media feel pressure to slam the Leafs. Sure. Yeah, 100%. Oh, the Toronto media.

Just, oh, all they do, they're so biased. Yeah, they're not stupid. They know you say that. You ever read a Steve Simmons piece? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Seriously. It's a walk in the park here.

Did you read Damien Cox's recent piece, which is basically lambastes the Leafs and Nylander? The Toronto media is so biased towards the Leafs, and it's also the reason players won't sign here. What? What? I suppose both things can be true, but then you need to acknowledge that the media is a bunch of different people, which some people are also not willing to do. I believe there's some pressure for some people to slam the Leafs a little bit.

I don't know if that's what happened here, but maybe. I was funny to watch the headline segment because Kiprios on a panel with Berkey before the game said, you know, Brian hated the deal. Well, Nick likes the deal, but he's like, but this is a tradable contract because in seven months they're paying him most of the contract. And then for the rest of the deal, they only owe him about $25 million in actual dollars. That's also just good broadcasting because now you have a guy on the panel who hates it and likes it. And Kipper, it was interesting because Kipper thought, you know, Elliott Friedman put his line in the sand. He said, I think this will be Nylander's last year in a Leafs jersey last week. That was weird.

And then Kipper saying – who's been saying forever that one of Matthews or – sorry, one of Marner or Nylander was going to go. Last year he was trying to trade Marner. This year it was Nylander. And then CJ comes on the panel and goes, no. No. None of that. He actually came out, and I have to give him a lot of respect because it's tough in that position too. Imagine you're sitting between the force of a personality that Nick Kiprios is and the guy like – and a guy like Elliott Friedman who is the insider.

the guy around the league you know it's him and bob mckenzie cj's no slouch cj is absolutely no slouch but he goes on that panel and he goes actually i don't believe what any of these guys are saying what i believe is that they want to keep them the whole point was to keep them and if you if you listen into what kyle dubas's remarks were yesterday when they actually brought william in and and had him talking was we're not in the business i believe the quote was we're not in the business of not having exceptional young players and kneelanders are seventh best player cool wow wow and somebody somebody tweeted this they're like brian brian burke says neil andrews their seventh best player when in his era tim connelly was their seventh best player

man some people someone posted we're talking about a deal you want to hate someone posted it was uh burke is criticizing dubas for the signing here's some of his and they just posted the players faces and there were a couple where i'm like i don't know who that is i don't know who that human being is and i it took me a second i'm like oh that's tim connelly james myrtle in that you got to read his recent piece from today um it's he says in it um he said mike commissaric took up a higher cap percentage than nylander is now yeah it was four point some and if you with inflation whatever it would have been a little over six on the 2014-2015 toronto maple leafs oh jesus yeah but really

it was like it was the Frank and Burke team you got it you got it yeah it was the Frank and Burke do you want to go

back a year Burke by the way is a guy we've like protected not protected he deserves credit for the Shen trade the Shen draft

really um uh Caudry Gardner Riley Levo Levo sure

he deserves credit 11-12 you want 11-12 I mean the Leafs best two defensemen are Brian Burke people he picked those guys up He deserves that.

We laughed then. Morgan Riley, we would have picked him first. Not far off. That was a rough draft, man. Seventh in points on the 11-12 Toronto Maple Leafs is Tim Connolly with 36 points. I think that was his last full year, right? Because he got fired right as the lockout ended.

Burke, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Frank and Burke team. And, like, I still think, you know, it's hard to begrudge where the Leafs are now. Obviously But Burke was not done with that team No

So you'll never know what Brian Burke was going to do with the team He certainly would have never signed Clarkson to that deal Would have never bought out Grabowski that way You made a mistake On December 31st 2011 Who did the Toronto Maple Leafs play

December 31st 2011 I was working at Leafs TV New Year's Eve, 2011 I know I'm wrong, but I'll say Boston Winnipeg Winnipeg That would have been Winnipeg's first year back

It would have been, 2011, yeah The Leafs must have lost They did lose Regulation loss Yeah, the Jets Spanked the Leafs for the first while They were back It was in Winnipeg

Oh They got murdered one night 7-1 That is not the 7-1 game It was This is amazing 3-2 loss You probably remember that one too

I think it was in Calgary Had to have been If it was in 2011 yeah Who would have been in Nets? Jonas Gustafsson Vesa Toskala No they don't have the box Chigar

Could have been Chigar Was that post Chigar? I can't remember I can't confirm or deny No Not yet Kyle Dubas has promised that he won't trade William Nylander He promised him, he said it in front of the media

As long as I'm GM And to quote Nick Alberga Of Hockey Central Saturday fame DeMar DeRozan says hi Exactly DeMar DeRozan still has loyalty tattooed on his hand Yeah, by the way Masai Ujiri was a guy that Kyle Dubas called

In the Tavares negotiations Anyway You look at that The Raptors trade They got the two better players of the four players That was an unbelievable move by Masai Uchiri. Well, DeMar's been doing really well. Sure.

I mean, so have the Raptors. But it's also sports, and everybody can be traded at any time as long as you don't have a no-movement clause. If Nylander continues to be a great player for the Toronto Maple Leafs, I'm pretty confident he won't get traded. Well, that question is, and I think that's a pretty easy statement for Kyle Dubas to make because people are like, oh, he's painting himself into a corner.

Well, first off, no, he can trade him whenever he wants. Yeah, he can trade him tomorrow. Yeah, but the question for me is why? You have to have a reason. So unless you're getting a guy, like if let's say Nylander is a top 30 player in the NHL, the way DeRozan is a top 30 NBA player, right? Top 30, you'd say. Not according to, what was it, Sports Illustrated that won you?

Okay, well, whatever. He is. But then they traded a top 30 guy for a top three guy. Pretty good. Who might not stay. Who might not stay. And that was the rub. Well, okay.

But so what? Look at how great they are right now. yeah sometimes sports is about sports is about the radio after that and it was hard to say so what at the time yes it was hard to say now they're first place and i'm like yeah so what it's a lot easier today than it was in july or whatever if they were losing that trade looks completely different but they look amazing and you know as a gm you have to put yourself out there sometimes i just think people are going oh well kyle said this kyle said that well people say stuff all the time i i'm inclined to trust him because i don't see any reason why like how

how does it benefit the leafs to trade william nylander it doesn't so and does it does it benefit the leafs to do anything but sign marner and matthews no so they will well and what they're also going with is a good um a good yes instead of a good maybe if they trade nylander for let's say a right-handed defenseman which is exactly what they need or whatever uh will they work out maybe maybe and they could be good maybe knee lander we know he's good we know he's good with this team so the raptors uh went away from the maybe right yeah so they took a huge risk but if you have a really really good player and they're and you can't get him for a even better player on paper who's gonna give you a better defense who's gonna give you a player who's a

better defenseman than nylander is a winger in the nhl the hurricanes and the hurricanes also the answer is not the hurricanes because all the packages i saw were trash they were they were terrible oh here's mediocre here's a mediocre defenseman and a pick no no thanks philadelphia they barely i rarely even saw a package that gave me pause the only one that actually gave me was First off The Flyers are never Giving up Proveroff So that would never

Have happened But the Pareko in St. Louis That was the first one Where I was like Yeah he's pretty Freaking good That guy's gonna be

An Olympian man On Team Canada Right handed shot Defenseman Olympian Sure Doesn't necessarily Mean anything

Brian McCabe Was an Olympian man The imaginary Proveroff Packages did look good They did You would do that Yes Well I think it started

With this article That said I think it was Simmons and Goss And we went How about Simmons Proveroff Yeah

And then Now we're talking stay here and say we would do that yeah for sure now i want to i want to bring something up everybody says the leafs defense is bad and yes their pdo might be a little bit high but their goal of a differential is the best in the nhl plus 28 and their safe percentage disgusting is 923 they are a top five goals for team and a top five goals against team it's an interesting little mix there at the top yeah anaheim anaheim 922 and the only reason i'm sitting in like second with a minus 13 goal differential or something and they're hot and they're tops one of the top teams in the nhl

in safe percentage yeah that's why they didn't get away with that john gibson is gonna win the ducks fans i'm sure you don't need me to say it but god is this eerie god is this eerily similar like you are you are less than a month away from acquiring peter holland as your number one center this is creepy this reminds me of randy with the leafs it's like our first full year with the podcast i think that year that was the year that was fun uh hey speaking of the ducks uh is the daniel sprung trade well we're not we're not we're not no no no we're not there no no we haven't talked about the levo trade i have thoughts come on come on levo first yeah and now that we're done with the kneelander talk sort of like can we leave the martyr and matthew shit to the side

yeah we can leave the martyr and matthew shit for a while and uh everyone who doesn't care about the kneelander talk uh we're done for now there you go well yeah we're done for the next six years so hopefully well i mean and the next time we talk about william kneelander we'll probably talk about okay when's he gonna play but then after that it's just him on the ice isn't that so fun so great final question on the kneelander stuff kneelander and matthews and marner and all that does it i don't know bother discourage disappoint do you look poorly that it's only a hockey problem that this sort of talk only happens amongst fans in the nhl because nfl doesn't matter cut the guy signed whatever nba it's a cap leave but it's a it's

a soft cap plus you can't trade players like you can if you sign a guy you can always buy him out look at mellow sign him to a crazy deal yeah just get rid of them baseball do buyouts count against the cat uh they do but i think that's easy anyway and it's soft plus trades can't happen as easily because it has to be contract for contract you can't trade a guy who's not within i think like 10 of the other deal that's coming back like the overall money has to be so so similar so it's not a problem nba fans worry about their teams baseball no cap guys really sign for whatever it bothers i mean it's less fun for sure but the nhl is just not in the same stratosphere as those leagues they can't afford those things and i'm sure the players fought against it um in two

lockouts and lost both times right so it is what it is and in terms of it ever changing That ship has sailed. I don't even think about it. It's less fun. It's exciting that in the NBA, stars move around all the time. Yeah, that's cool. Problems are so much easier to solve. You've got to be a little cunning in hockey, which a lot of teams aren't.

So it makes for a lot of – Is it more fun? That's where the fun is made up. Okay. The fun is made up by the fact that you need to be smarter, and I just feel like teams aren't. They're just not. They're actively trying not to be.

That's the best part. There are still teams that are like, no, math. No. Like, math only built the stadium that we're in and put the ice on the ice that we skate on. But no, we don't use it for players. No to the players.

Fair enough to your facts, but what of my feelings? Have we thought of that at all? Have you considered my gut? What about it? The Josh Levo trade. Quickly on that. I'm sad.

Sad to see him go, but part of me thinks – I mean, first off, they did the guy a favor. But I also was like – It made me feel a lot better that he asked for this. Yes. He didn't request a trade, but they had a handshake agreement. Look, if it's going to be hard for me to get in the lineup, I don't want to do this again. Trade me. So it makes me feel better that it was mutual.

I just sort of wish he'd learned to win face-offs, so it could have been – and no offense to Freddie Gauthier, but I feel like Josh Levo is a better player. There's no feel-like about it. He's a better player. I just like – you know, it's kind of like, could you just have learned face-offs or something, man, so we could have kept you? Well, you're asking a guy to randomly play center, you know, for the first time in his career.

It's a little tough. For eight minutes a night. Come on, Josh. In the NHL. Do you remember when Gauthier was a good player And we were like Really high on him

I was never really high on him I was just surprised That he wasn't a bad player No people were excited About Gauthier For sure Listen I want Gauthier To succeed

I would like to look up The nicest thing I ever said About Freddie Gauthier And it was probably Hey he scored a goal That's nice I'm happy for him Yeah

I don't hate him But we want him to succeed His teammates love his life He would be the fourth line center That would be easy I think that was the The hope when he was drafted, and this shows how ideology has changed. The hope when he was drafted.

Elite third liner. Third line center. Yeah. They said elite third liner. No, but that's. Said the same thing about Colby Armstrong. Yeah, well, we're paying him a lot of money, but he'll be an amazing third liner. But he couldn't even live up to that.

Well, no, he also had a couple knee injuries along the way. Goat, man. So the Leafs have funny center depth. it's funny because they're the deepest team at center in the league maybe and then falls off a cliff after exactly and then if someone gets hurt it's calling someone off yeah it's difficult like uh ian tolick putting in adam brooks i am not certain sir i am not certain of that at all well i mean but he's just playing around it's just yes of course he's just playing around um you know i see all these scenarios where they're like and then pierre engvall and listen i like him too

but they're more likely to go out and get a cheap vet i think i think anyway we got away from the trade yes they do uh the trade uh levo for carcone apparently that's how you say it i'm a terrible italian um what do you know about carcone oh i have it all on my phone i have it all on my phone So, Carcone, he's a Canadian kid, Ontario kid. He's from Ajax. Like Mike Zygomanis. Yeah, you know, guys. I talked to him.

We can talk about that later, too. Here's what someone told me. More skill than he's given credit for. Has great wheels. Very good edges. He can play up or down your lineup. I don't know how much truth there is to this. Was just about to be called up to Vancouver.

He was second on the list. Very good kid. Really hit his stride in the playoffs last year. Travis Green is a big fan. He played for Stouffville in the OJHL. Signed as a free agent with Drummondville. So that isn't always the greatest thing when an Ontario kid goes to the Q. You know, usually you're obviously supposed to go to the O.

But it has worked out in the past. In fact, it worked out in the past with a Leafs draft pick. Chris DiDomenico, Ontario-born kid. Oh, it worked out great. And also with Drummondville Hey listen He No you know

He would have been fine He freaking He broke his quad Jesus They're not quad Femur Femur Femur

Which I mean that's Dunzo For a lot of guys The fact he was able to Crawl back to the NHL Granted years later With the Sens right Crawl

Oh you I think I want to say Sens I want to say Blackhawks Sens and Lightning Oh okay I'm not sure But yeah

It's happened before And actually funny enough I mean Sidney Crosby He didn't have too much problem coming through the queue, right? Good players play in the queue, man. I mean, I seem to remember somebody from Rimouski doing okay. Someone's like, I couldn't even score in the queue. I'm like, man, he's over a point a game.

I know offense is high in that league, but that's okay for crying out loud. And he's what, 17 points in 20 AHL games this year? Something like that? Oh, yeah, 17 points in 20 AHL games, which is much higher than his pace last season. Apparently, this isn't the first time the Leafs have inquired regarding this player. Trains and Whitby in the offseason, like I said.

And apparently, he owns a restaurant, which I saw Justin Fisher say, and I thought he was kidding. He's not. It's a good investment. Owns a restaurant, I think, in Cedarboro. It's a terrible investment. As an investment person. Nope.

As a person who knows about investments. Nope. Is a restaurant a good investment? Well, listen, you can make a pile of money in restauranting, but you better know the business. I think 80% of them fail in the first five years So that wouldn't be where I would put my money But I don't know the business

So I wouldn't put my money there But good for him If he's got a successful restaurant Look at Gordon Ramsay, Jamie Oliver They do great He plays one game with the Leafs Hang that jersey up in the restaurant Owned by former Leaf Michael Carcone

Or current Leaf Michael Carcone And he'll go to the ACC And hand out the jersey To the armed forces Just because they have, like, literally, who did they have? Christian Hansen. It was the Vegas game. Who will play more career games as a Leaf?

Michael Carcone or Christian Hansen? Carcone. It might be Carcone. Now, the odds of him making the NHL, it's weird. I saw a lot of stuff like, oh, he doesn't project to be an NHL guy. Based on what? Well, okay, his AHL production last year wasn't amazing, but he's 22 and… What's interesting here is that…

It's not out of the realm of possibility, man. You know when you have a friend who dates somebody, guy or girl, and all their boyfriends or girlfriends all sort of look the same? It's like they have a type. Oh, yeah. It's like the group just – yeah. Yeah, the Leafs have a type. They like guys who can skate because I feel like the one thing that they will – Because it's important.

Well, for sure. Man, this soccer team really likes guys who can run. The thing is that a lot of the stuff that goes along with it, they can teach better decision-making. They can teach better positioning. They can teach probably better puck work. But they can't – it's pretty hard to tell someone, all right, go faster now. There's so, so much to skating. And another thing I'm slowly learning is there's so much to stick handling that is skating, right?

So if that's your base, that's your rock, you've got a good foundation. There might be a chance. Yeah, everything else is bonus. And ultimately, you've got to look at – I mean, the Marlies need help right now. They're doing not well. They don't have any goalies, so that's the problem. We did find out yesterday that the Leafs did put in a claim for Calvin Pickard, but of course Arizona gets it because they're lower on the totem pole in terms of points.

About that, that was live-tweeted by Turnip Cannon. Who's a long-time listener to this show. He's great. So, Lawrence Gilman, Leafs assistant GM and GM of the Marlies, who Kyle Dubas forced to accept a championship ring, a Calder Cup ring. They just got the rings. Holy smokes. That's a minor league ring?

Can you imagine how big the Leafs ring is going to be? It's going to be a fist. It looks amazing. It should be a fist. It's just going to be. Just be. Finally. No, you just have a diamond-encrusted glove like freaking Thanos.

That was on the Leafs. When they won the cup. So, yeah, the Leafs put in a claim on Pickard. But, yeah, it goes in order, right, of need or whatever. And the Leafs are doing too well. So they weren't able to get him. And they tried to trade McElhinney to the Hurricanes, as we suspected they did. But the Hurricanes, like most teams in the league, said,

well, we'll just try to get him for free. Now, it's interesting, though, because we said at the time, well, if you think you can get a guy for free, why wouldn't you try it? Sure. Why would you give up something when you could just get it for free? I bet Philly's wishing they gave up something. Because Philly claimed Pickard the day that McElhinney was claimed as well. You think Philly was maybe hoping they could have had McElhinney?

Maybe. I think Philly might be wishing they gave up something. It's a completely different season. The outlook of the Eastern Conference could be completely different. Where would the Hurricanes be without McElhinney right now? This is a conversation we're having, by the way. I know. It's insane. It's insane. And they dropped Scott Darling, the guy they gave up a lot to get.

Where would one of the best possession teams in the entire league be without career backup to third goalie Curtis McElhinney? More than 30 games in a year, Curtis McElhinney. It's amazing. And it's great for him. Someone threw this out there, and it's ridiculous, but it's not ridiculous enough. McElhinney's like pulling a Tim Thomas, except McElhinney seems like nice and likeable.

He's in his 30s and magically playing the best hockey of his career. He's a starter. He's a starting goaltender in the NHL. So, you know, the Leafs, I don't know, but got ripped off, but they had some bad luck there, right? The team's figured, well, We'll just take our chances and try to get them for free. There's a few teams in the NHL right now going, I wish we had made a claim.

Or not I wish we had made a claim. Wish we had made that trade. How much would McElhinney have possibly cost? If they're a sixth. If that. Even a third. Like, for crying out loud, the Devils can't stop a beach ball. The Flyers can't stop a beach ball.

The Hurricanes, without McElhinney, can't stop a pumpkin. I'm just going to say big round things. There's so many teams in this league that need a freaking goalie. Curtis McElhinney has lost 28 games. He's 18-7-2. That's stupid! With a 9-32 save percentage. 18-7-2.

The Leafs are 19-8, and they're off to their best start since 1934. And McElhinney's record is what? 18-7-2 in his last 28 games. Preposterous. To me, that's preposterous. Curtis McElhaney, things of that nature. That's ridiculous.

That's not bad. That's not worth a third? Come on now. Now, granted, we never thought McElhaney would actually stay that good. And I'm willing to bet most teams around the NHL thought the same. Dude, the Hurricanes didn't even think so.

That's why they got him, I think. oh someone's hurt and peter marazza kind of stinks so let's make a claim we'll throw him right back on waivers i think the leafs thought they were going to get this player back now when you compare and contrast that to um and i don't know if you can make a comparison but a guy like daniel sprung who was traded yesterday yeah that deal is interesting because that's a young puck moving defenseman who seems to be at least from the outside looking in the archetype for what NHL defensemen are going to be. Marks-Pettersson?

Marks-Pettersson, yeah. Okay. Well, it just seems like Pittsburgh gave up a little early, and it seems a bit odd to make that trade. Does it not? That has ugly potential. Okay, so why do you say that? That trade's got ugly potential.

Talk to me about that. Well, in the same way that, okay, listen. AHL success is not necessarily an indicator of NHL success. TJ Brennan, Mike Zygomanis. The problem is when TJ Brennan and Mike Zygomanis were putting up their crazy AHL numbers, they weren't 21 and 22 years old. That's why I think the Coyotes are slightly nuts for getting rid of Dylan Strom already

and sweetening the pot to get rid of Dylan Strom. Are you joking? That's why I think they're a little nuts for doing that. Man, Daniel Sprong put up numbers in the AHL last year, and for that age, oh, you better be right. Oh, you better be right. Here's the thing. You better be right or you're very wrong.

Sometimes you're not always right. This one's got ugly potential, man. Well, so Marcus Pettersson, though. I mean, you know, is that a guy that's going to help the Penguins at all? Like, yeah, former second-round pick, but that was four years ago. Defensemen also take longer to develop, for sure. It's just they're both former second-rounders. I want to say Pettersson was 2014 and Sprung was 2015.

It might be the other way around. One is, you know, you get it. The Ducks need goals. The Penguins need stops. But I think Sprung's going to score more goals than Pedersen's going to stop them. Seattle has a team as of today. Now, we know that the first season will be 2021. What did you say, Jesse?

What was the June? Which June is the expansion draft? It's June 2021. It is 2021? Yeah, the same year they become a team. No, I'm sorry. I just wanted to make sure I was right on it because I never trust my own dates because I always get numbers screwed up. Just after this podcast's eighth anniversary.

Interestingly enough, and thanks to Pete Blackburn for digging this one up. Thanks to Pete Blackburn in general. I like you. Just for being Pete. Handsome boy. The NHL has acquired the Seattle Metropolitans trademark. The Seattle Metropolitans, Jesse brought this up before the show, were the first American team to win the Stanley Cup. So they've acquired that trademark in Canada.

But a 26-year-old Korean-American who is a former hockey player and an Ivy Leaguer owns the rights to the Seattle Metropolitans. And he had the foresight a few years ago to invest in the United States. So they've already bought it in Canada. Now they need to buy the trademark rights from this 26-year-old in the States. And the right thing to do is to name them something different and say, screw you, kid. You don't get your fucking money.

What's the guy's name? Whatever his name is, I don't know. Let me see if I can pull that up for you. What's the guy's name? Whatever his name is, that's the new name of the team. Like, look up. Like, he's an Ivy Leaguer. He probably owns a business.

Like, name the team his business. Like, just do something to mess with him. Yeah, so he owns the team. He actually had jerseys made and everything. Paul Kim is his name. Seattle Paul Kims. That's amazing. The Seattle way to go, Paul.

Honestly, I love stories like that. I think that's amazing. No, who cares? Who cares? That's amazing. Good for him. No, he's not a dick, man. That's a good investment.

That's smart. That's foresight. We were talking about a team in Seattle four years ago. There are lots of things that are smart foresight that involve being a dick. Yeah, you can have smart foresight and also be a dick. Are you guys upset that a billionaire might have to pay a kid maybe a million bucks for their trademark? Are you really upset about that? Adam just changed my mind.

Also, he's 26, a kid. An Ivy League 26-year-old. ivy league educated 26 year old are you suggesting that both parties in the story you have no idea he might have got there just on merits and got a scholarship and put himself through school you know what maybe you're right let's not make maybe let's not hate the rich you're absolutely right just for being i watch me i hope the seattle owner's name is rich this guy i fear this guy go to school and get an education and be good at hockey and care enough i agree adam like come on The guy was an Ivy League hockey player as well.

Come on. Oh, he might have got a hockey scholarship. Yeah. Oh, he's a hockey player. Oh, okay. I like this kid. Somebody shows a little ingenuity and you guys hate it. Listen, I don't care what his origin story is.

What he did is annoying. Yeah. He's being a little bit. It's annoying. Oh, boy. You got a whole world of annoying waiting for you, man. What if someone squatted on the Steve Dangle podcast? Somebody is.

on the on the twitter there's there's an account that people actually think is our account and it's not it's at sd and nobody nobody thinks sd podcast no they do 100 people actually think that's our account and that's okay i don't care but it's it's not so you're at come on man what okay i think andrew berkshire is a bit of a dick because his new twitter handle you mean the real Is Steve Dangle? Is Steve Dangle real? Which, you're going to mess around, Andrew. You're verified.

Look out. I'm not going to report you. It's so great. I love it. I think it's hilarious. I also think it's hilarious that he's being freaking Luke Skywalker to Justin Fisher's Yoda. Justin's just giving him hints? He's just teaching him how to troll me.

Andrew, yes. I just think it's very funny that you guys think that a young man who is obviously very smart. Who did nothing. Who did essentially nothing. What did he do? What did he do? You guys, you're so embarrassing right now. I can't even. No, let's talk about how inspiring it is that this young man filed a form.

Yeah, he didn't do anything, Adam. He filed a form for an idea he didn't have. For something that existed and he took the name of a historic ranch. He paid for it So he could get paid later So he could screw the NHL How long ago did he do this? Oh the poor NHL

That's not the point How long ago? No Adam First of all get the idea that there's good and bad guys in this story It's all bad guys Who? How long ago was this? How long ago was this? You know what it's business journal So I can't really read it because I'm not a subscriber

Business journal You don't have all the details Okay, if he did it like six months ago, it was like, ah, that's annoying. If he did it a bunch of years ago, well, I don't know. He paid for a thing that had pretty low likelihood of actually happening. And that's actually kind of interesting. Paul Kim, if you're listening to this. God, I hope that's not their jerseys.

We wish you a Merry Christmas. Those are the original jerseys. We wish you a Merry Christmas. That's what they look like. Yeah, a lot of things look stupid back then. The original Steelers jerseys are ugly as hell, too, and they keep bringing those back. I think they look like bumblebees. It's a reason they changed them.

Paul Kim, if you were watching this, I want to have you on the show. I do, too. I want to know this story, and I want you to tell Steve why it's not annoying. I'm so flummoxed as to how you can hate a young guy younger than us, Jesse's age, coming up with a great idea like this. And when you come on the show, you're not going to be able to because there will be another guest here. What? Yeah. Yeah, someone's just going to be in the spot, and it's going to be their spot now.

Oh, my God. Adam, they had the foresight to come on our show. Yeah, they were here first, so... They didn't pay anything to come on our show. I'm going to find an Ivy League educated 26-year-old. How hard is that going to be? Brian Burke's Ivy League educated. Maybe it can be him.

All right, he's a little old, but I'll take him. Can you imagine he's just sitting here? Your heavy hair is a goddamn prank. That's bullshit. It would go over really well, I think. No, it would not. Brian Burke, a.k.a. Old Kneelander Hair. we'll see what the yeah really we'll see what the um we'll see what uh what happens with this

but i i think uh obviously i think metropolitans is probably going to be the name and why not um yeah why not because there's a division called the metropolitan yeah i would go with something new just for the sake of seattle rough riders not doing the winnipeg jets thing didn't work out at all the seattle jets so the jets can take on the jets why not we've proven i hope it doesn't matter i hope it's the wildcats would be good uh what was another one what was the uh the millionaires oh it was what were the the knights the golden knights weren't supposed to be the golden knights they were supposed to be something else yeah they're supposed to be the knights right there And there was some, I think they might still have an ongoing suit.

Yeah, because they named it after a military division, which is exactly what the Leafs are named after. And they, I believe somebody in that, I believe the United States government like filed suit or something like that and said it's too similar. Yeah, yeah. And it's not even that it's a direct, it's similar. The Supersonics.

But it was. The Seattle Supersonics. Supersonics. The Seattle, no. Here, you know how to appeal to the youths? Seattle Super Chronics. Oh, shut up. Oh, my God.

You are just... Wow. And they'll get players that match the lifestyle. They'll steal Tim Heade from the Sharks. Tim Heade every day. This is from February 1st of this past year. Love it. Army, Vega, and Golden Knights working on settlement over name dispute.

The Vegas Golden Knights hockey team and the Army are working on settling the trademark dispute that has hung over the NHL expansion team. Black Knights Sports Entertainment, I'll see you, owner of the... This is a great article. I'd pay for this. So the Army does have a division called the Golden Knights.

It's the United States Army Parachute Team. And they sued the Golden Knights for using... The Las Vegas Parachutes. They maybe shouldn't have. you know because like ultimately okay so you're the parachute team you have a team named after you because you have a sick name and a sick reputation and you're gonna sue them they believe they would say to that adam we believe the service will be damaged if the vegas golden knights are able to register their trademark oh jesus so they're they're going into a foreign

country they're going to extract a prisoner i don't think i'll be able to do our job we have an NHL team that's similar to us. They say, we want to ensure there's no confusion between the sports team and the United States Parachute team. Believe me, there won't be. They want to ensure that. Well, you've just ensured it. Thank you. I don't know, Adam. Did you see the firepower on the team

last year? I know I was confused. They certainly dropped in out of nowhere, if you know what I'm talking about. Right into the cup finals. The defenses of Marc-Andre Fleury? It's like armor. You see, people are stupid. They're making parachute jokes. Oh I'm ignoring them

Wow I think you should have gone with the parachute You know what I made a parachute joke I'm squatting on it Anytime I want to just claim something Do you want to know how the lawsuit ended Yes So in this past July 19th Is when the lawsuit ended

They said we are pleased that we have agreed to co-exist Regarding the use of the Golden Knights Bill Foley chairman and CEO of the Golden Knights Said in a statement Our discussions with the army were collaborative and productive Throughout the entire process we are appreciative of their efforts and commitment to reaching an amicable solution you know what took me way too long to get that the vegas golden knights mask makes a v

it took me way too long to understand that yeah some people have just realized that because you said it and they're gonna go oh i can't unsee it i've never i never thought oh but what if what if somebody trademarked the v earlier and they just were sitting there and they had the letter v You can't use the letter V without my permission. William Van Vos filed a lawsuit with his representation, Paul Kim. Paul M. Because the K is taken too. No, Paul Vim.

Because they owned a trademark for the letter V. You know why I bet they couldn't use Las Vegas? I bet Las Vegas is trademarked. Yeah, the city. So that's why they call them the Vegas Golden Knights. Probably. Maybe. I bet that's the reason

what's not trademarked do you see why I'm annoyed well the metropolitans weren't until some sleazy man had to slide in there he's not sleazy

he's smart no he's a college educated no no I forgot he's a genius you guys are you guys are the Don Cherry of this topic

old and outdated no you're siding with the old huckster over here you mean the guy who used huckster your siding

mathematical skills to deduce that that that that would go up x amount percent and I'd be able to make money off of it. No, he was guessing that they would use that. You guys are like, oh, I'm upset I didn't come up with that idea.

Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. Yeah. Because you're mad. You're mad. He's going to make money for nothing, whereas you schmucks have to go work for it. You don't think that that's brilliant?

No, shame on us for not trying to steal a name that's existed. We work hard so we can hold our heads high. I think publicly he'd be like, listen, hey, here's why I did it. Yeah, and it'd be a lie. I'm going to go out and invest in every old NHL trademark I can. Like after this show. I'm going in. Yeah, and you'd be a huckster.

Kansas? I'm going to see if I can pull the Nordiques out of somewhere. Who's got the Nordiques trademark? I want it. Maybe you could buy it. Coyotes, I think. Or no, the Avalanche. Go buy it.

Go buy it, Adam. You huckster. I don't know. Ask the sentence. I don't want to make any deals with Colorado. I don't think it's a good idea. That's good. We should trademark all the Rough Riders just in case another CFL team wants to come up.

Somebody actually owns the Ottawa Rough Riders trademark, which is why when they came back as the Renegades, they couldn't be the Rough Riders. Let's trademark Happy Birthday. Let's just go full Super Bowl. Who would ever think to do such a thing? Gene Simmons owns the trademark to OJ, as in the short form for Orange Juice. So if you ever wanted to use that in an ad, you can't because he owns it. You have to pay him. definitely if i was in the very niche field of orange juice commercials i would call it orange j

just to be a jerk that sounds like a bunch of stuff trademarked right yeah he's brilliant and like taylor swift tried to try to do sort of the same thing like she tried to trademark the year 1989 because that was the name of her album and like what was the uh uh the old taylor isn't here right now or something like that she had a couple phrases she wanted trademarked so that And then this metal band did, like, a metal cover of We Never Go Out of Style. Or Out of Style. Uh-huh. We never go out.

It's bananas. Oh, cool. You got to listen to it. Because, yeah, she tried to trademark something. Different albums. Different albums, bro. What's that band's name? Vulcan.

No. Vulcan. Anyway, it'll be very, very interesting to see. You know what's going to be interesting, too, is how many NHL teams signed bad contracts In the next few years That go Well whatever I can trade it to Seattle

Like I wonder if that Opens up spending Just a little bit And be like If you give Whatever Jesse this goes back To what we were

Talking about earlier That the NHL Isn't as fun But What little parachutes They're given They'll take it What little

Goldenite parachutes The Vegas parachutes Wait which one Are we talking about I'm confused I'm so confused It's a good thing they filed that lawsuit yeah i'm glad to have cleared that up yes i'm very taken aback by the

ridiculousness of this conversation i don't even remember where we were going so the nhl has more restrictions and it's because they can't help themselves they can't help themselves and doug mcclain actually made a really good point where he was talking about like well what do you think the other teams around the league feel about the neil andrew deal he's like i don't care and good for him yeah your job kyle dubas's job is to run the toronto maples when mclean was a gm his was to run the columbus blue jackets why should he give a damn what the minnesota wild or freaking nashville predators gm thinks what and what i find funny about the conversation and i forgot to bring this up earlier is that the the interesting thing with the nhl is that um

They will Oh my god I fucking lost the point I had it I had it and then I lost it What did you just say Say it one more time Doug McClain I don't care what other GMs think There are a lot of people claiming that

Marner and Matthews would get offer sheeted If they don't make it to July 1st Which is possible But here's the other thing That I find interesting is that there are What are they saying 10 to 15 RFAs next year that are legitimate

superstars. So where are these offer sheets coming from? That's half the league right there that already has a huge negotiation on their hands. Here's what I saw. Arizona is going to offer sheet Matthews $14 million. Please do that. Please do that. Alright. I want to see it happen.

I want to see it. Listen, I'll be sad to lose my awesome. He'd also have to sign it. He'd also have to sign it. Which I don't think so. Arizona, who has like five dollars is gonna give us four first us they're gonna give the least four first round picks because they signed a player they clearly can't afford oh yeah no no leave leave the movie on i want to see how this ends is 14 i want to see how this ends is 14 million dollars not possible

under the cap right now it's 14.59 i think right now that's the top that's the max you can make Yeah, I thought it was 13-something. It's high. It is high. It's very high. Yeah, yeah. It's whatever. Anyways, would you take—

Well, next year when it's 83, right? Would you take four first-round picks for Austin Matthews? No. No? I don't—well, no. I might think about it. No. No, not on the—

No? Not Matthews? No, because you've got to look at your age group, right? The age group that you're in. You want the draft picks in the hopes of one day getting a player as good as Austin Matthews, right? And I think Austin Matthews, to be honest with you, I think Austin Matthews wouldn't sign that Maybe later on in his career If Nick Kiprios has his druthers

Austin Matthews goes back to Arizona And he can go see I was right There's part of me Even as a Leafs fan Where I'm like I can see how that would be cool No I don't think that's cool But not now Steve there's nothing cool about that

Take that back You were saying some whack shit today man What the hell is this It would be cool if Matthews went back to Arizona The coffee's fucked Jesse new mugs the coffee's fucked Make them Do it

All I'm saying is that If First off Arizona he's never going to sign that You know why because he wants to win the cup And so yes you're going to make a pile of money In Toronto and you know you're going to make more money Here than you're going to make anywhere else And it doesn't mean

What do you mean Arizona doesn't have a chance to win a cup They just signed a 14 million dollar superstar Oh, right. Yeah, that's right. Okay, sure. Please try it. Yeah, okay. Go for it.

The Leafs would match it anyway. Chuck Fletcher, speaking of spending money, is the new general manager of the Philadelphia Flyers. Chuck Fletcher, Steve, who you ranted and raved about. The guy that, in your estimation, caused the lockout. I mean, he didn't, but, I mean, man, you told me to look up that rant. I forgot how mad I was that day. You were mad. I had some deep-seated, deep-rooted hatred in the Minnesota Wild.

Now, Chuck Fletcher, I'm sure. I've heard he's a great guy. Again, who cares what other teams think? And, yes, I've heard he's an amazing person. Who cares what other teams think? If you have a chance that day to sign Zach Parise and Ryan Suter. You do it. You do it.

You want to make your team better, you do it. I think some of that might have been ownership. It must have been. It was $196 million worth of contracts in two guys, Zach Parise and Ryan Suter. Here's the concerning thing for me as a Philadelphia Flyers fan, right? So, well, the Flyers got their man. They got exactly who they wanted. And I think maybe part of the reason they fired Hextall is they're like, well, Chuck Fletcher's available.

And the thing was Hextall wasn't doing what ownership wanted him to or, yeah, wanted him to. Chuck Fletcher, as his track record seems to show, will. He'll do what his boss says no matter what. And his boss is Paul Holmgren. Who's a wild man. Who is crazy. In essence, Paul Holmgren is GM. I mean, he's not.

I still think it might be similar-ish to when Burke was president of the Flames. Might not even be that free Because it seemed like Burke While he did have a say Ultimately let Brad Treleving do his job Chuck Fletcher I think Is going to do a lot of the dirty work But Paul Holmgren is going to have the final say

Also how many people has Chuck Fletcher Asked for a goalie so far Probably a bunch That or he's just going to I'm just laughing He's just going to start Anthony Stallers is going to have all these pricks.

Did you just inject me with something? No. What are you talking about? I'm the new guy. Hey, what's up? I'm Chuck. I wonder if there's a team that falls out of contention that trades a goalie to a desperate team. I mean, who's got two good goalies

or three good goalies? Gibson. No. Didn't you have the idea of Ryan Miller? Yeah, I did. Might be good for the Flyers. We saw the Oilers without Connor McDavid Who was sick And boy the Oilers are bad

They lose 4-1 to the Stars but it wasn't even close Like it's not It's not even a question that this is not a very good team They had a fight And you deal with exactly what Or you get to see what Connor McDavid is Shouldering Yeah I mean

It's one game But it's a bad one game Right and when they lost him in his rookie year It's not like they were good either They were pretty bad But Their record under Hitchcock It should be noted

I want to say 4-2 Not bad Pretty good Their record Okay, this is getting real niche But you know someone in the Oilers media is saying it Their record under Hitchcock with McDavid I think it's 4-1-1

Just saying Let's read into that Let's do it You don't think they're doing that today? Check Twitter. Check Twitter. Type in Hitchcock with McDavid. I just want to see what people are saying.

Hitchcock with McDavid. And just things from the last 24 hours. I want to see what people are saying. Come on, you know it. Ah, this requires too much reading. This is boring. Yeah, this is a bad idea. Boo.

A lot of my ideas are bad Let's go into in-depth research For something niche right now on the show I wish I came up with the idea To squat on the Seattle You'd be a lot richer than you are right now Tyler Bertuzzi Suspended two games

Will miss out on $15,000 in salary After a sucker punch two And I keep forgetting his name Oh it was Matt Calvert Who I keep thinking is on the Blue Jackets I mean, honestly, when you see it, it's the most Tyler Bertuzzi move you've ever seen. But I'm actually...

I don't know why something like that triggers me so much. What a chicken shit move. What a chicken shit move by the entire Red Wings bench. By that whole chicken shit team. Okay, what they did was chicken shit. I lost a lot of respect for Dylan Larkin on that play. You're beaking at him from the bench, from the safety of the bench. Has Dylan Larkin ever dropped his gloves in the NHL?

No. No, he – no. Cement it on. And you're grabbing a guy from the bench? He held a guy while Bertuzzi, who will actually fight on occasion, filled him with an uppercut from the bench? Calvert's issue there was he didn't pretend to be hurt. Should have gone down.

Should have acted like he got shot. Dude, he got mugged by like four guys from the bench. What were the Red Wings thinking? They're lucky that Tyler Bertuzzi was the only person suspended from that thing. If you lay a finger, if you touch someone with your glove from the bench, you should be suspended. I don't care. I thought that was sort of the thing.

Yeah, it was. I mean, like the David Clarkson thing. I mean, he left the bench, but what's the difference? The lesson learned here is the NHL is never going to suspend. If something like that happens. They're never going to suspend more than one guy If it's Tom Wilson it's 10 games by the way Oh for sure

Dylan Larkin has fought a couple times His first fight was in Why didn't he do it in this one You wanted to go didn't you You're the captain of the team You're Dylan Larkin you'll be out next shift With Yannick Webber He had a good fight

And then he fought Braden Point And he had mercy on him there Pelled him down didn't throw the punch Braden Point fight here He's fought a couple times. Braden Point, boy, he really punches up, doesn't he? No, I just, I can't, how do you, there's no code in hockey and there never has been one.

I want to know what part of the code this is. I want to know what part of the code says jersey a guy while your actually tough teammate fills him with uppercuts from the bench. You know, Tyler Bertuzzi is getting punished for this. He's getting suspended. What he did was obviously ridiculous. I'm glossing over it because it's obvious that it's ridiculous, and at least he's being punished for it.

Larkin's getting nothing for being a coward. I hated that play. I hated it. I don't know why. Is there a coward penalty now in the NHL? No. Who's the guy who held the stick? You're a chicken shit too.

This is the full play if you want to watch it back. Yeah, I want to see it. I want to see it one more time. Oh, so is Mike Green's in there? The face he's making while he's holding him. It makes me sick. So who's that right there? Who is that?

What number was that all ago? Too bad he's on the Red Wings. I can't even name half of them. I guess the Red Wings took exception to Calvert's stick on the original play because he sort of swung it at the bench. So if you look at the original play, look. No, no, just look. Just look.

See where his stick goes? Oh, he got hit. Stop. They thought it was intentional. No, Adam, no. I'm sure that's the excuse they made. Yes, 100%. I'm 100% sure that's the excuse he made.

They didn't get up in anger. The guy just casually held his stick. Being a shit. He was just being a shit. No, that's gutless. That's gutless, and I'm disgusted. Now, this Saturday, does Don Cherry like or hate this play? Hate.

Well, yeah, but then it's going to be awkward because it's Tyler Bertuzzi, and I think he likes that player. What a chicken shit. The punter Tyler goes, he comes in, he swings back. It's disgusting. He hits them good, man. He hits them good. Man, good on Calvert for eating one.

and Bertuzzi like but how how much of a momentary lapse in judgment is that dude even if he

attacked you if he full full on Darcy Tucker at the Sens bench attacks you are you actually out of your mind throwing a bare

knuckle punch from the bench you're gone of course you're gone of course you're suspended I don't think he cares I think he's a hero among his teammates though

I think they love it that's fucking stupid That's hockey culture. Like a lot of things in hockey. It's hockey culture, man. I don't give a shit. Oh, from a guy who never played. I don't give a shit.

A lot of you are meatheads. And that's one of the dumbest. That's probably the dumbest thing I've seen this season. In a sport. Tom Wilson? I mean, that's pretty expected. It was preseason. Preseason.

I mean, okay, dirty or dumb? Like it's The Sunquist or the This one Sunquist Or this one Yeah The Sunquist one

No I No this one It's Sort of like Clarkson Leaving the bench a little bit There's something about the bench You're not in the play Yeah

You're Essentially a fan Yeah Like okay When you take to the ice There's a certain amount of risk Involved Like okay

There's a reason Why guys can body check you And punch you And you get maybe a two-minute penalty and not arrested, right? There's a difference between sport

and just, I guess, real everyday civilian life. What's that? When you're on the bench, you're a civilian. You're not playing. Are you having your Tom Wilson moment? No, I just, I don't know why.

There's something about watching that. Oh, yeah, he's a hero amongst his team. Fuck off. Dylan Larkin. What leadership. Holding a guy down. Like he's a stereotypical Power Rangers bully. Like he's literally a 90s TV show stereotype of a bully.

And here's the thing. Detroit sucks. Yeah. But they're only two points out of the playoffs because the Eastern Conference sucks. When did Detroit get on this side of the rivalry? I thought they were the heroes. They did the heel turn. Yeah, they did.

You guys were always the face in this. It's kind of cool to see abs Detroit hating each other, but Detroit's not in that conference anymore, so they barely play. Yeah. And Zdorov with a big hit.

Also, Detroit's not good, so it's not fun. Yeah. Who did Zdorov hit? I don't know. This game had some hate and that was a big clean hit.

Zdorov, I don't know if he's the greatest defenseman in the world, but he's one of the best hitters left in the league. It's kind of funny seeing him go out

at Cronwall, another one of the best hitters in the league. Yeah. But get out of here. His stick went into the bench. No one's up in arms. He just held.

Two guys held the stick. Three of them. It was all three in the row. Yeah, and look, what part of the code is this? There's three guys. Yeah. Oh, but there's a code. Cowards.

There's a code, Steve. Police themselves. It should have been more than two games, I think. I actually think so, too, and I'm surprised. It should have been more than one player suspended. Yeah, because it's 10 games automatic if you leave the bench. That's right. I think interacting with a guy who's on the ice during play should be the same as leaving the bench.

What part of what Dylan Larkin is doing is self-defense? None of it. None of it. None of it. The only reason, the only saving face for those other two nameless, faceless guys is going to be in the minors next year. The only reason that those guys weren't punished more is they weren't grabbing a part of him. They were grabbing a stick, his equipment. That was Rasmussen, by the way.

Rasmussen, yeah, cool. The one on the end who grabbed the stick there. Good for him. Suspend him. like you you look i get there's young guys in this league you may not touch someone from the bench you may not touch their equipment like the nhl this should this colorado should do this to detroit next game just grab a stick from the bench it's allowed it's allowed was there a penalty for that it's allowed if something happens it's on camera

everyone saw it if something happens and it's not punished it's allowed i don't think that's that's the rule but what else am i supposed to take i don't think that's what else am i supposed to take from that hey adam if no one was watching and you were speeding does that mean that's allowed and you didn't get caught you didn't get a ticket say that again if uh if a if a civilian caught you speeding and they recorded on their iPhone. No, no, no. If no one was watching. I'm

changing the rules. More people have seen this clip. But that's not how it works. I mean, is it illegal? Sure. Why not? Here it is. But I got home five minutes earlier and that made me a hero. You ever heard of a red light cam?

And then your wife is like, thank you, Adam. Wow, thank you for coming home five minutes earlier. You ever have a red light cam there, Jesse? I have. There's the crime. Yeah. There it is.

And he got suspended two games. He did. It should be more than one player. At least three players suspended in this situation. I just think it's funny how. Well, at least two. I do think it's funny how Tom Wilson hits a guy in the shoulder, admittedly. Do I think that that was a dirty play that he laid on?

I forget who it was for New Jersey. 32. What's his name? brett senny i think it's funny how tom wilson for that people were losing their minds i thought he'd be suspended i was wrong uh but i i knew it wasn't a head hit the the point was never whether it was a head hit it was a dirty hit the intention was you're hitting a guy when the puck isn't even close and he can't see you and he's backing up into you and you still have a major penalty for interference i guess no hold on hold on let me finish this sure yeah um sorry i don't know why

i went so ballistic on that it's just sorry wait what make your point chicken what chicken shit i liked it i liked it i thought you're right you said what i thought and i and with tom wilson's hit the other week it was not it was not about that he didn't make head contact it's about it was a chicken shit play typical of tom wilson and and i have to be honest with you what he did in that play is far less bad than what happened in detroit yes well far less you can put them on because well at least it was on the ice what was exactly what was calvin supposed to do how about this neither player was eligible to be hit when and here's the other thing okay so imagine what happens to calvert happens on the ice so four detroit red wings surround him imagine this

for four detroit red wings surround him and attack him are we talking about tyler bertuzzi And they're holding his stick so he can't go anywhere, you know? If that happens on the ice, people are like, whoa, what a bunch of cowards. Now listen, so let me try to disagree with myself, okay? So I'm trying to go with what was the NHL's decision-making here with Wilson. I think Wilson was giving him a nudge on his way by. Yeah, definitely late. But he's doing what pretty much every player in the league does,

Except for the Leafs, who avoid contact at all costs. Except for Zach Hyman, who's a pig and shit. The difference is Tom Wilson's a friggin' animal. Like, he's, he's, I mean, one thing Brian Burke said that is true, this was on Ice Surfing, is there, like, that's, there's not many of that left, man. No, there isn't. It's true. There's not a lot of this left. And he does, make no mistake, people are afraid.

He's fast and huge. Yep. So maybe, I mean, Senny has no idea he's there. It's a shitty move. He has no idea he's there. You know what it looks like, eerily like, especially because of the jerseys they're wearing? Stucco on Crosby.

Except that was, like, what is the difference in essence of this hit and the Stucco hit on Crosby? I think it's the sheer luck. Was that the outdoor game one? Yeah. It's the sheer luck that Senny did not get hit in the head and Crosby did. I think that's the main difference here. And I guess the point in here is that it was a chicken shit move.

I'm just surprised the NHL didn't do more about it. Well, see, he got a match penalty. And I think Tom Wilson's – this is interesting. Not Wilson. I'm not talking about Wilson. I'm talking about Bertuzzi. I'm surprised he didn't get more than two games. Very surprised.

Wilson, I thought he'd get at least one. I was like that because – If Detroit loses both those games, it ain't nothing. The rule is they can't take into consideration that he's Tom Wilson until it reaches the point. It doesn't matter, though. I just don't think that that's a hit that you want to— If you do nothing about that hit, then you're condoning that hit. Well, he got a game, technically.

He got kicked out of the game, right? So he got a match penalty. Yeah, because he gets kicked out of the game. Here's the thing. In the second period? So he missed a period? Yeah. So he missed 30 minutes of hockey, of which he would have played seven?

Every time you suspend Tom Wilson, it's a thing. because he's a repeat offender because you just had this saga i think the nhl was like you know what i don't need to deal with this anymore and they wash their hands that man shouldn't care anymore are you okay are you okay okay he's fine good he got kicked out of the game if on the devils i'm furious of course of course you should be and up on the abs i'm furious and fuming two games is not enough once again he's got to be hurt doesn't he and with that we will move to the press conference the non-chicken shit press conference debatable the phrasing that you use there is that chicken shit is such a perfect like it's just like it comes out of you it's it was

right it was the right it was the right way to describe it i never use the term chicken shit unless I see something that's chicken shit. Yeah. People know what you mean. I swear on all kinds of things. I never pull out chicken shit. Do you think after that rant, do you think there'll be any Red Wings fans who go,

well, he made the right choice? Oh, can you imagine if the Red Wings beat the Leafs on Thursday? By the way, Tyler Bertuzzi is sort of... Great player, man. He's sort of like the next Brad Marchand, him and the Chuck brothers, right? He's exactly the sort of guy that Brian Burke described in that he's...

He's truculent and there's not a lot of players like him that are jerks like him. And I say jerks endearingly. They're jerks like him, but they can actually put the puck in the net. Yeah. And he's one of the best things going for the Red Wings. Very valuable player. Extremely valuable player. I mean, I know it's all in the heat of the moment.

But are you actually out of your mind throwing a bare-handed punch, bare-knuckled punch from the bench? To a guy who's bent over. Bent over the bench. Yeah, being held down by your captain. By your fearless leader. Is Dylan Larkin really the captain? Yeah. That is the quietest captaincy announcement I've ever heard.

We talked about it on the show. Yeah, we got it. Dylan Larkin, who signed to a wicked deal. Sure is. Wicked deal, but that was some chicken shit bullshit. Tum Tum 3468 wants to ask the two of you. Matthews Yogg. Tum Tum.

How does this team look with Mark Hunter as the GM? Ask Steve Simmons. he's written several articles about it actually yeah steve simmons and mark hunter um have a relationship um and that's all kind of relationship i mean alleged relationship uh in that steve simmons oh have you not seen the uh this the what is it sorry sorry something like 80 of the articles about mark hunter in the last year have been by steve simmons there's like a and and it's interesting that his most recent one came out the week before nylander's deadline you know all the stuff that it's just interesting that he sort of surfaces every once in a while and it's always in

a steve simmons piece and that's fine like journalists can have relationships with people and if and if steve simmons can hit up yeah and if steve simmons yeah so i'll call him this and that's what steve simmons is if he can hit up mark hunter for a quote or hit him up for an interview or whatever do it man but i i think what's interesting is it's almost like it's very friendly writing um and it doesn't matter what mark hunter would have done because mark hunter is not the gm we have no idea what mark hunter's decision making process was and i mean it's pretty clear from the first from the first two major moves that kyle dubas made taveras and nylander that the leafs made the right choice i think there's a pretty good chance that if mark hunter's

the gm they don't get taveras and i'm not kidding it's it was the it was what kyle dubas said to John Tavares and John Tavares said that Although Kyle Dubas is the second GM Or sorry the third GM To have acquired John Tavares Mark Hunter was the first In London

Well maybe there would have been an in there No I don't think so No I think you're right I think they'd be Bigger and older I mean still pretty good But I don't think they'd be good Like this I wonder if they'd still have Pollock.

Do you think Mark Hunter has taken a look at how tall John Tavares' mother is? Oh my god, what's that from again? Mitch Marner's mom. I took one look at her and she's six foot, so I knew Mitch Marner would be a player. Mitch Marner. Mitch Marner's smaller than his mom.

No, he's not. Is he six feet? Yes, he is. No way. On skates? I made this post on Tumblr. It's going to get deleted soon because it's covered in dicks. Mitch Marner's taller than I am?

Yes. You're out of your mind. I've met him and stood next to him I'm 5'10 and a half and yeah he's ever so slightly taller than me and I can't remember I know I was wearing shoes I don't remember

if he was Mitch Marner is confidently 6 feet tall that's all I was saying and he's going to get taller because of his mom he's in his 20s now he's not but you know what

He's going to fill out a bit, but he doesn't have one of those builds. He's got a slender build. That guy's probably going to top out at 190. To answer TomTom's question, I think ultimately you can never know. But my personal opinion is that Tavares is not a Maple Leaf. That they probably don't have Rasmus Sandin. They probably don't have Sean Druzy. They probably don't have that call at all.

They definitely don't have Sandin. I mean, you could tell with the way they drafted in 2017 versus 2018, just the difference in what was asked of Dave Morrison, who is the head of scouting. And actually, Dave Morrison was promoted after Mark Hunter. And I think that the Leafs… Father to John Morrison, actually. That's right.

There you go. Yeah. Okay. um and his his dad was doors lead singer jim morrison um no i think it's just it's one of those things that you can't i i think you're right steve i think the leafs look a little bit bigger i think they're a little bit slower um i would say that and i don't think this is necessarily a good thing but i think that mark hunter his his thought process with a hockey team the guy wasn't he wasn't as bad as some of the people on the internet say he was when it comes

to drafting. He wasn't as good as some of the people in mainstream media say he was when it came to drafting. He was in the middle. He had some great picks. He had some stinkers. I think that team is a lot more what Mike Babcock would have wanted it to be last year. And I think that because Mike Babcock is a guy that likes to evolve his thinking, likes to be challenged, I think he would have been less challenged by Mark Hunter. I think they would have been a little more on the same page. I think Dubas and Babcock have legitimate discussions that are heated, almost like what ken reed and i had uh when he was on the show about um players policing themselves if babcock can be convinced sure he's shown that it takes an annoying amount of time but he can be

convinced but i think it's better for babcock and it's better for the team to have a bunch of people who are i'm one way you're another let's find some sort of compromise here it's it's sort of the um the tension that the beatles had created the best uh the best music and none of them ever made music as good again as they did when they were with the Beatles or at least

that's what people argue it's like LMFAO right what were they after the one guy left yeah after Sky Blue left what were they

is that his name yeah it was Red Fu and Sky Blue oh Red Fu left I thought Red Fu was his name I would have believed

Red Fu and Sky Fu it was Sky Blue and Red Fu and Sky Blue was Red Fu's uncle it was that's where I was going yeah

the one guy was the other guy's uncle yeah they're just close to names and then they split up Once he shaved his afro, Sky Blue shaved his afro and then booted, and he left. So, abrupt transition.

Mack Halliwell, now that you bring him up, Halliwell, he's second in scoring in the OHL among defensemen. 32 points in 25 games, only behind undraftable crappy guy, 36 points in 25 games, Ryan Merkley. Wow. Now, Mack Halliwell is 19? Yeah, he was an overager. And let me throw this out there.

He is first in the OHL in goals amongst defensemen with nine, tied with Nicholas Mottenen, a alleged Mark Hunter draft pick who the Leafs let walk. So that's an interesting one. Neither of those players, I mean, you've got to kind of take that with a bit of a grain of salt. I mean, it's great for Mack that he's doing great. Yeah, because we can't compliment Mark Hunter.

But he's 19 in a league that employs 16-year-olds. Yeah, he is. It doesn't say his age. I mean, it's a huge difference, right? And that's the thing. So when they get over 18, their points tend to spike. Hallowell was born in September 98. So, yeah, he'd be 20.

Yeah, so my expectation of him would be that. Now, they were talking according to Turnip Cannon, who live tweeted the State of the Union with Marley's season ticket rolls yesterday. Both Sean Druzy and Mac Hollowell couldn't be brought up to the AHL. The problem is that they've got a bit of a logjam

and they're trying to make sure that Rasmus Sandin gets his ice time. He's been playing so well. He's earned it. There are people who, and I wonder if it's just a shiny new toy thing, but there are people who are saying, oh, he's already ahead of Lilligren in the development. And I just wonder, he's the new guy. He's had a hot start.

but like is he yeah but here's here's how here's why i think that's happening everyone's expectations of lily grin were so ridiculous chris pronger as if the leafs were geniuses and listen i thought he's a great pick i'm happy that they picked him but the 16 teams that passed on him are idiots all of them stupid big idiots only dubious armed with nothing but an abacus and a piece of checkered paper could have made that pick and then Sandin comes in and you know it was crazy because he's he's the first draft pick of Dubas as a GM and he does the typical NHL GM thing and drafts a guy from the team he's from and a lot of people were disappointed and there was Joe Valeno Valeno who was available I think there were a couple guys available who people wanted

So they're like, what does Sandeep – that pick sucks. So their expectations for Lilligren are sky high. That was great, actually. I remember after that pick came in because they traded down a couple spots too. This is shit. I can't believe it. Well, and after Dubas goes, I'm not the trade-down guy, it trades down immediately. But I believe it got them SDAs picked, didn't it?

I think so. And so anyway, the expectations for Lilligren were so high. the only possible outcome is disappointment. And then Sandin was so low and then he comes in and oh, this guy's pretty good.

So I... By the way, I want to shout out everybody who knew Lilia Grimm would go back to Rogel and knew that Sandin would go back

to the Greyhounds and I called it both. I said, I'm both. Makes more sense to keep them. And they're like, how will they find Ice Time? They have Leo Laverde. And I'm like, well...

Vincent. Sorry, Vincent. Vincent Laverde. Well, Vincent Laverde is going to sit because Rasmus Sandin needs to play. And Laverde is one of those guys who's a great AHL player, right? Yes, 100%. So this is going to be interesting, and there's actually incentive to send them to the World Juniors

because it's free ice time. And you're able to, like, I don't even think Jordan Subban is getting in games. Yeah. And they were able to just get rid of Andrew Nielsen. They have defense. The issue is defense. Well, last year, the defense, I think, was maybe a bit overrated by some because the goalies bailed them out of every situation.

And this year, they're getting none of it. Jesse, next question. Final thing. I just wanted to shout out one person from our YouTube channel. One comment from our YouTube, our last video. You read the comments? I skimmed for some content, and I found some content. The best comment.

All right. This episode is called Chicken Shit. The best comment. No, it's not. It should just be the emojis, chicken and the poo. Can we do that? Allow it. No, you can't do that.

It'll break the system. The best comment of the week goes to Carl Moss, who had a problem with us comparing 40-watt light bulbs to 60-watt light bulbs. Is that what we did, Carl? I think he's the peak of somebody having a problem with us. Okay, Jesse's in full-blown Jesse meltdown. Do you need me to read it?

To the point where light bulbs. A 20-watt difference. It's not even 40 to 100. It's 40 to 60. Carl Moss. Wow, and he time-stamped it. It starts with a time-stamp. So everyone knows

the exact time our shitheadery begins. Did he say, hey, shitheads? He should have. Carl Moss. one hour, 21 minutes, and 40 shitheaded seconds into our last podcast.

40 chicken shit seconds. Chicken shit comment, boys. Comparing 40 watt light bulbs, sorry, comparing 40 watt bulbs to 60 watt bulbs and then rounding up to exaggerate your

point, question mark? 4,000 joules would power a 60 watt bulb for 67 seconds. But then again, I question your math. Your math! You question our math only now?

On the 4000 Joules 2. Carl! Do you think a guy who last took math in grade 11 and passed it mixed with a 57 I had a 60

saw hits in hockey, saw dust to Buffalo, Jamie Alexiak hit and thought, that was about 4,000 joules. Do you think, do you honestly think you think this rocket surgeon over here

3% better than Steve in mixed math. You think Jesse over here? Jesse, when did you last take math? Oh God, grade 10. Grade 10? You could drop it after grade 10? Wait, no. That's science. You drop it after grade 11. Whenever you could last take it. Grade 11.

I took the worst kind of math in grade 11. Which is what I should have done. College level math. I should have taken it. Which is what I should have taken too. Do you think this band of idiots, take it up with Heart of Vlad. I don't know where he got his numbers from.

I just trusted it because I'm like, you know what? He's smarter than me. I just love the indignance. Comparing 40 watt bulbs to 60 watt bulbs. That's my favorite part. You have it rounding up to exaggerate your point. The thing is

To us it's just a number You bunch of stupid idiots The thing is to us it's just a bunch of numbers We love you, thank you for listening All I know about Watts is that I need to match them properly With the socket and the light bulb That's all I really know, that's all I really care It doesn't matter

And I always walk into the middle of an open field And hold a nine iron into the air During a thunderstorm Hold on, did you see the Slate article yesterday? Oh, tell me about it So George H.W. Bush died and they showed a picture of his funeral of his casket

and the service dog that he had was lying down in front of his door and they said like Sully they called it his lifelong companion Sully and so Slate goes and he goes actually it's not his lifelong companion because A dogs don't live that long

and B that dog had only been his service dog which is a working dog not a pet for six months so don't believe it don't waste your emotional energy on that and people were like who the fuck shit in your cornflakes man what the hell is that

listen of all the things said around that there were hills worth dying on that was not the one what's the matter with you chief is this it no guys can I show you a picture of the person who

wrote the slate article oh no her name is ruth graham was she was she writing it joking though oh sorry wrong person oh not ruth graham i was about to say that person writes for slate jesse oh no wrong ruth graham okay you dropped out of math you can't google you can't even find the right ruth what can you do i bet if it was a meme you would know the calculation all i'm saying is this um you probably probably all i'm saying is this was it written i just want to know if it was sometimes you can't tell like extreme sarcasm on the internet's hard to pick up on i wonder if that was a sarcastic article does slate have sarcastic articles i don't know are they

always serious i don't read them much but i think that's all that needs to be said really all right chicken shit website sorry i just now i'm on a roll now i don't want to use it sparingly anymore I like it. Chicken shit. It's fun. Where did that come from? Who was the first person to associate chicken shit with cowardly? I don't know.

That's a good question. Yeah. I guess chicken shit in general is smaller than other poo, so probably they probably... Yeah. Why not? Rabbit shit is just you're scared of your own shadow. Yeah. Something about you're already a chicken, and now it's the shit from the chicken.

Now you're chicken shit. Yeah. Whoa. You're not even the chicken, which is already a coward. Maybe they're trying to say you're young Because like an egg And you've got a lot to learn I don't think so

Or that you Maybe you're bad fertilizer I don't think chicken shit's good fertilizer Scottish people boil you in water And eat you with a spoon Wow, okay With little pieces of bread Let's put this away

Soldiers they call it Let's put this in the cupboard And call it a day Walk away from it, okay? Yeah Alright Let's put this in the cupboard By light of a 40 watt

Or 60 watt bulb Doesn't matter They're the same thing. They're the same thing. Exact same thing. I always say. You know what I like to do? When I talk about my wattage light bulbs, I like to round up to make my point work better.

Yeah. So. To fool you. Fooled you, didn't I? And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for Karl Moss. By the way, what do you think of Paul Kim? I think he's squatting on the name Carl Moss and he just left a comment

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