The Steve Dangle Podcast - Smash Mouth | January 14, 2022

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, watch Leafs game with Steve & Sid! (00:00), the NHL announces its All-Star game roster (05:00), Connor McDavid speaks on the Oilers possibly signing Evander Kane (24:30), the Quebec government meets with the NHL about bringing a team to Quebec City (43:00), great inventions by the other side (53:00), Jack Campbell's future contract (1:03:00), and can this Leafs d-core go on a deep playoff run? (1:07:00). Originally aired: January 14, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/DaqZBsB_U58 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://manscaped.com CODE: DANGLE https://hellofresh.com/sdp16 Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Steve Dangle podcast with your host Steve Dangle Adam Wilde and Jesse Blake Steve wanted to start the show oh let me tell you what you do let me tell you guys I knew I didn't have to commute today so I was like this is an opportunity for a little sleep in this a little uh nappy poo yeah i to the point where i woke up this morning and went right back to bed oh those are good days those those are great days especially when you know i had to play catch up um after the back-to-back 10 p.m games for the leafs uh after the vegas game so that game goes till you know whatever it is one in the morning i do the lfr by the time it's all said and done it's about three o'clock in the morning by the time i

go to bed and i had to be up at seven to bring leo to the doctor because kids go to the doctor all the time so i was very sleepy and then there was the game the next day no nap all that so this morning i'm like oh i'm gonna have a nice sleep in so when i wake up the second time it is two frantic messages from my wife my mother, my father, and Sid Cicero BT?

I was supposed to be on breakfast television oh and I forgot they even gave me a later time slot and everything, it's usually at 640 and I curse Sid's name and I go, yes, I'll come on, Sid

but but oh my god my mom messaged me she messaged my wife is something wrong with Steven is he okay

your mom should know better your mom should know that this is you well no but then supposedly on the show they were like oh we're having connection issues oh okay mom dad and my wife are all and even Sid

we're like he slept in yeah so the reason i was going to go on was to promote the fact that is going to be on watch the leafs game with steve dangle that's great that would have been a great thing in the promo people should know that it would have been no but i should promote it to this audience that's going to be there anyway instead of a massive television audience featuring my parents. Well, anyway, please watch Watch a Leafs Game with Steve Dangle tomorrow when the Leafs game starts on the Sportsnet YouTube channel. You can see Sid Cicero starting at the first intermission.

He'll be there at least for the whole second period, and then we'll see where it goes from there. That is going to be entertaining. Yeah, it is. I wish people knew about it. yeah if only he could have called the biggest morning show in toronto weird actually i think numbers wise just because toronto is so big i think that's the number one morning show in the country oh good even though it doesn't broadcast to the entire country oh good yeah good makes

goody goody goody goody good you you just love missing things and meetings and just things where you're supposed to be there at a certain time you're really good at not being there i should not have my career like just flat out i should know this is the only career you could have oh yeah you know what damn maybe you're right this is it right we had a meeting yesterday uh we'll explain more on that next week but um we had a meeting yesterday with some people and uh uh or was it wednesday no it was wednesday it was wednesday and uh tired day and and we were shocked that steve showed up and steve looked a little hurt and now you can understand why maybe we were in a little shock that Steve

showed up Adam your memory is never the best and you are misremembering what happened on Wednesday what happened on Wednesday Steve didn't show up you texted him and he said and his response was Christ because he 100% forgot that

that meeting was happening but man when he showed up he was great oh yeah I thought it was great you were you were fantastic anyway there you go Steve Dangle everybody steve dangle well i'm ready to start the show there fellas oh man okay so listen it's it's been it's been a wild week i i won't lie to you i can't even remember what the beginning of the week felt like uh because of uh because of the sickness um but honest other than sounding nasally can't

believe how much better you you get and thank goodness for the vaccines and i just want to shout out anybody if you're one of those people that's administering those vaccines i didn't get to say that on the last show thank you for doing so um and uh because you know you guys are working real hard and it ain't easy um we got the all-star game rosters guys it's pretty big pretty big um and i think it's kind of cool like the the new all-star jerseys i gotta say bit of a fan i like them simple simple not doing too much it's great so let's talk about the eastern conference and then we'll do the western conference we're going to go by division here okay so the metropolitan division head coach rod brindamore carolina hurricane sata the hurricanes are sending

um frederick anderson and sebastian ajo and svetchnikov um svet has to be there yeah he does um columbus blue jackets are sending rowinsky and vorchek devils are sending hughes and brat Brett, I guess the the LMI, I guess, would be the the person who, you know, if there is somebody who if somebody can't make it, then I guess the there's like a there's like a roster player that's coming with. No, the last man in is who we get to vote on. Right. Oh, that's who we're voting on. Yeah. OK, OK. So there's four guys and I think one of the four get to go in. Is that not how that works?

Well, there's seems to be more than four, but I'll announce the roster. Let me start again. Hurricanes are Anderson and Ajo. Columbus Blue Jackets is Rowinsky. Jack Hughes for the Devils. Adam Pellick for the Islanders. Adam Fox for the Rangers. Good day for Adams. Philadelphia Flyers, Claude Giroux.

Pittsburgh Penguins, Tristan Jari. And the Capitals, Alexander Ovechkin. Duh. So here's your last man in. Is it Svechnikov, Voracek, Jesper Brat, Matt Barzal, Mika Zibanejad, Cam Atkinson, Jake Gensel, or Evgeny Kuznetsov? Wow. Those are all, man, this is why the all-star game, the all-star game needs to be a destination because all those players should be

there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like the NBA all-star game, if those players aren't in the game, they're still there. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I feel like it should be held in Vegas every year. Cause then the players will really want to go, you know, make it bigger and bigger. Where's the NHL's moment where like Shaq is sitting there in the stands with his camcorder for some reason yeah recording vince carter has anyone ever seen that footage is that like the camcorder footage seen the light of day i want to see how shitty it is

it's gotta be awful it's from 22 years ago that's a really good question wow i know yeah i'd like to see that it's every time i see it i'm like i want to see shack's footage of vince's dunk i also want to know why shack knowing that this is a national tv broadcast felt the need to bring his own camcorder as though that that was going to be a flex. It was that. Yes, that's an expensive item that only a rich person would own at the time. Like

he brought that as an accessory. It's like a watch. It's like a watch. In 2000, it's like my Velcro strapped camcorder. I'm on the NHL site right now and I'm putting my vote in for the Metro last

man in. I'm going to put Shveshnikov in there. Yeah, me too. Hometown guy. how can you or uh they're the best team you know you got not hometown not hometown it's in vegas but um yeah i think the best team got to get the best guy there you go okay atlantic division andrew brunette florida panthers is the head coach uh the bruins are sending bergeron despite the fact that brad marshawn uh is like ninth in league scoring or 11th or something by the way he's not even the last man in uh buffalo sabers are selling they're sending rasmus stallion because he's the only one anyone knows uh detroit red wings are sending dylan larkin uh panthers are sending

huberto canadians are sending suzuki ottawa center sending drake batherson um and then vasilevsky and headman for tampa bay and matthews and jack campbell the toronto maples which is great now here's the last man in for every single team charlie mcavoy for the bruins tage thompson for the sabers lucas raymond for the red wings i know that jesse's gonna get that vote uh Alexander Barkoff for the Panthers, Tyler Toffoli for the Canadians, Brady Kachuk for the Senators, Stephen Stamkos for the Lightning,

and John Tavares for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Who do you vote for? Ooh. I err on the... I always, for these events, go to the rookie. So I'd say Lucas Raymond. No disrespect to the captain. I'm going to go to the complete other side,

and I think you take the vet. You take Stephen Stamkos. He has the best numbers out of all the guys. 18 goals, 27 assists, 45 points. That's insane. For a guy that didn't really have a great playoff last year 5-on-5, and look at him now.

There should be a big reveal at the beginning of the All-Star weekend. And it's, Steven, we gathered here. We wanted to surprise you. We're actually going to play the Olympics over the weekend! Everyone

shows up. Team Slovakia comes onto the ice, followed by Team Czech Republic, Czechia, sorry. And they play the entire Olympics as a birthday present for him whenever his birthday is. I like that. Central Division in the Western Conference. Excuse me. Coach is Jared Bednar. Arizona Coyotes will bring Clayton Keller, Alex Dobrynkat from the Blackhawks, Nathan McKinnon and Kale McCarr from the Avalanche, as though it would be anybody else. The Dallas Stars, Joe Pavelski,

Karel Kaprizov and Cam Talbot Oilers fans just punching the air right now they're going for the wild UC Soros for the Predators Jordan Kiru for Kyra excuse me for the St. Louis Blues and Kyle Connor from the Winnipeg Jets now I said for the avalanche

of course it would be McKinnon and McCarr but it's really unfair to their last man standing who is Nazem Khadri who is fifth in league scoring yeah yeah and here's the thing. The last man in could be Kessel, Seth Jones, Nazem

Qadri, Jason Robertson, Ryan Hartman, Roman Yossi, Robert Thomas or Mark Shifley. To me, that's got to be Nazem Qadri. As much as I want Phil Kessel to win that vote, and he might just because of trolling, it needs to be Nazem Qadri. Yeah, it needs to be. Even Yossi.

Like, Yossi's had an unbelievable season, too. It's been sort of overshadowed because of how good Makar's been. Man, both those guys should be there, Nazem Yossi. Jeez. How about we just don't bring the best players? We need to have a player from each team.

That's a thing that the NBA has gone away from. You know, like last year, the Raptors didn't have a representative at the All-Star game because none of them just made the team. Yeah. And I think the NHL needs to move towards that direction when you're getting a guy like Kadri who can't even make the main roster. Well, like, and no offense to Tage Thompson, but as last man in, who are we fucking? Are you serious?

Right. Come on. Come on. I also shouldn't be there. No, I'm not even sure Last Miss Darlene should be there. Didn't Clayton Keller just straight up make the team? Not even last man in? Yeah, he's on the team,

Clayton Keller. That's not right. Just bring the stars. And you know what? Oh no, you lost out on the Arizona TV ratings for the Vegas All-Star game. I gotta say, put some respect on Jesper Brad. What's that? Put some respect on Jesper Brad. He's having an unreal year. I wasn't saying

anything about Jesper Brad. Why are you talking shit? but like if like are you gonna does it matter that much to have every team represented like you can put them in the skills competition you can do something but come on i'm torn because i perfectly understand the reasoning for it but also nazem kadri should be there so he's last minute he probably will be i'm willing to bet though guys like Naz and Marshan who should obviously be there

were consulted and don't want to go that's my assumption because they should so obviously be there like why is Marshan one of the last men in what the I have to assume it's because they don't want to go but also why is Ovechkin invited then I think in

Kadri's case there's not a slot for him well he's yeah yeah because they're just two there's they already have to Avalanche, so where is he going to go? You'd have to kick off somebody who gets a roster spot because the team needs a representative.

McKinnon. So this is the thing. You're kicking off Kadri who has been clearly better or, well, has more points anyway in terms of league standing. But then you're kicking off a legitimate

top 10 forward in the NHL. Probably top 5 in the nhl to do it so there's cadre who's the better performer and there's mckinnon who's legitimately the bigger star yeah and mckinnon was fan voted in as captain as well so he gets his slot so yeah like and like and macar that's a sin that is a sin you can't not have him why not have three abs right and and like or you look at like what pittsburgh's sending no offense to tristan jari but tristan jari over oh sydney crosby's not on the team no no which that was the first thing i noted everyone's complaining about naz and uh yosi and i'm like

uh that's the face of the league yeah it's literally the face of the league that's what are you doing he he must not want to go well he probably doesn't and he was injured a good chunk of the year like they are going off Tristan Jari's play like the the Tristan Jari's having a comeback year uh Gensel is the last man and he's been playing he's played amazing but like again you're like it's an all-star game with stars don't we look at it this way you think the NHL doesn't want Crosby to be there like of course they do everyone involved should want him to be there unless it's him himself saying no I don't want to go so that's my assumption I'm not even sure he would get the choice but i get looks like he didn't get the vote so pacific division

pete deborah from the golden knights is the head coach uh the ducks are gonna send john gibson no surprise there although their last man in should go uh calgary flames johnny gaudreau edmonton oilers connor and leon what uh is it los angeles kings adrian campe um uh san jose sharks timo Meyer, Seattle Kraken, Jordan Eberle, Vancouver will send Thatcher Demko, and Alex Petrangelo and Mark Stone from the Vegas Golden Knights will also go. Now, let's

see who you would vote for for the last man in, because there's some tough choices here. Troy Terry, Matt Kachuk, Darnell Nurse, Drew Doughty, Logan Couture, Mark Giordano, JT Miller, or Jonathan Marcheseau. Troy Terry. Looking at

the numbers, like the 22 goals alone, and just being that young and being that electric i want to see him there yeah what is he like 20 yeah yeah okay so it's a shit hot 20 year old kicking ass yeah i think i'm voting for that for sure uh i think you throw a fan base that uh has not had a lot to cheer about a bone um especially because they're the number one fan base you should probably be catering to this season you send mark giordano the captain of the kraken and he's like 38 this is probably his last one Let's be honest, Steve.

That's his last one. That's a fart right there. It's a big. Yeah. Which is exactly why it's the sort of thing the NHL would do. Oh, it's tomato. Tomato. Left, left.

Troy Terry, by the way, is 24. 24. Oh, yeah. I had no idea. But. Oh, yeah. That's not having a great year. I know.

So. Oh, I'm sorry. No, you're right. We got to move heaven and earth to bring Adrian Kempe. You know what? I'm so glad that Seattle Kraken did such a great job. I was told in drafting. I was told.

So glad. Can I be an asshole? Why is Adrian Kempe going? He's got 23 points in 37 games. Kopitar's got 33. Probably because Kopitar doesn't want to go. He doesn't want to be there. I wish there was more transparency with that because, like, Adrian Kempe?

Okay. Sure. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Suggestion for the NHL, just make the all star game the best, the biggest stars. Like, I don't really care how they did that season. Just bring the biggest names. Yeah, they don't want to go. Oh, gosh. I think what it is, is that like, again, you got to make it so like so unmissable. It's such a great party that everybody needs to be there. And it's like, you know, celebrities and all that. That's why it needs to be in Vegas every year. and uh and here's the thing i think i think what would be super fun as a format is you can you can select the because nobody maybe people will argue about the order but nobody is going to argue about basically the top five players in the league right right maybe so maybe the nhl declares the top five players in the league every year they would declare patrick kane for whatever reason you know that they would do that even if he had zero goals which he had in 13 games until

For the sixth consecutive season. But if you were to say, like, best players in the world, you got, okay, Nate McKinnon, Connor McDavid, Leon Dreisaitl, Austin Matthews. Who would you add? Who's the fifth guy on that? Sidney? Alex Ovechkin?

Crosby, Ovi. Ovi. Yeah. Even, like, Hedman Stamkos should have default spots. Even if Malkin doesn't play until the All-Star break, which is what he basically did this year. I still want Malkin there. You know what I mean?

Because he's just that big of a name and he's probably top 20 player in the NHL, but I just want him there. He's an all-star in my mind. Who's the face of the league? Conor. They try. No.

It's probably Crosby still. No, he's not. Like, McDavid plays for the Oilers. Gary Bettman wakes up every day in a good mood and it's immediately ruined the first time he realizes McDavid plays for the Oilers. he he's not the face of the league he's the best player best offensive player no doubt and i think betman wakes up every day oh fuck why do you think conor mcdavis the face of the league

because i cover the nhl and it doesn't feel like it okay i cover the nhl and i have to ask the question so so tell me why tell me what what specifically you should be able to walk up to anybody on the street and be like who's the face of the league the face of the league the nba has lebron you know what i mean like name an nba player to a non-nba fan people be like lebron or michael lebron james yeah everyone goes lebron james and like hockey for the longest time you could know nothing about it but you go uh wayne gretzky and for a long time uh sydney crosby i think that's still the answer yeah oh boy i don't know because the guy he doesn't you never see him you never see him you used to not be able to turn a corner

without seeing sydney crosby american fans didn't believe me when i said he literally advertised bread yeah in canada sydney crosby had a bread deal um it just it doesn't feel that way anymore it's it's a lot more spread out the attention but i think you need a face toronto it's matthews they plaster matthews on everything but that's not a league-wide thing and i think a lot of hockey like if you're asking a hockey fan their answer is probably matthews like he's on the cover of uh nhl 22 he's on the biggest team in the league he's the biggest star on the biggest team it's probably matthews their answer you think the average nhl fan yeah it's either matthews or mcdavid if you're asking hockey fans it's matthews or mcdavid oh i don't know

what do you think it is i think i think hockey fans if they're a fan they're gonna see here's the thing if you ask people who the face of the league is a lot of people will not differentiate it from the best player in the league right so most people will say conor mcdavid and i know you offended the western half of this country by not saying conor mcdavid jesse so i just want to acknowledge that there are a lot of people very mad at you right now. It's not about best player. It isn't about best player. It's about biggest. It's about personality. It's about

visibility. Now, now, I could say that it's a, you know, in Eastern Canada, I mean, Montreal Canadiens fans fucking hate this, but they've got nobody on the roster who even compares and haven't for at least a decade or more.

Price. Okay. When Price was great. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. But he's not the face of the league. You won a heart trophy. yeah there was a time yeah there was a time 2013 i think when he won it or is that 15 i was there i was there in vegas um the reason i say all this is that um you know when we're talking about if there are faces of the league it's fair to say that a good chunk of eastern canada that's austin matthews good chunk of western canada it's connor mcdavid probably most of the states it's still sydney crosby right and until connor mcdavid here's a here's a couple

of things that need to happen for conor mcdavid to become the face of the game number one he's got to win something number two he's got to not play in edmonton yeah and if you don't like that um let's look at wayne gretzky's career wayne gretzky did extremely well in edmonton was extremely popular in edmonton and in in the league as a whole but wayne gretzky's star took off when he went to the LA Kings, right? That's what happened. You have to forget that Wayne Gretzky was a king

and a ranger. LA, New York. That's where Wayne Gretzky played and that just added to his lore. That's right. We sound really young when we say that, but that's the world we grew up in. Well, we were Adam, you and I were born the year

he was traded to the Kings. Yeah, he was traded three months after I was born. Yeah. So we missed the best years of Wayne Gretzky. So I'm sure it was different in the 80s, but the world we grew up in, it was like that. I think it's a four-man conversation. I think it's McDavid, Matthews, Crosby, and the most disrespected person in this conversation, Alex Ovechkin.

Yeah. Because he's in the news every time he scores. Because every time he scores, it's a piece of history. dry saddle doesn't get this love matthews doesn't get this love it's all about ovechkin because he's 56 years old and competing for the rocket and gonna break gretzky's record and not a cynical angry guy seems just fun like alex the thing about alex of alex ovechkin is there's a magnetism to him off of the ice that i don't think the other guys have sydney's sydney seems like a really nice guy uh connor seems bored uh austin seems bored most of the time too to be honest with you but

alex ovechkin seems genuinely happy to be wherever he is by the way wherever it is that he is he's happy by the way ovechkin is three years older than i am and not 56 yeah and in march he'll be two years older than i am so there you go so so jesse i think there's a good time to bring up um uh a good a good time to bring up um mcdavid mcdavid yeah can you can you play the clip because obviously this week the the news is evander kane potentially signing in edmonton now there's been some cold water put on that because the nhl is investigating his trip to vancouver that could result in some sort of suspension or ban or whatever we don't know like honestly it's not like the league writes this shit down so i couldn't tell you exactly what what the punishment

might be if there was um but um but he you know given what happened with evander kane and it's not like this happened a long time ago it's not like you know we're holding him to something that happened a decade ago we're talking about stuff that happened this summer um that came out this summer and happened a week and a half ago with the trip to vancouver whatever it was um ken holland seems like he's not going to make any trades he's going to try to sign evander kane Looks like Evander Kane wants to come. McDavid was asked about it. Jesse, you can go ahead and play the clip.

I'm here to discuss optic issues. You know, if fans don't like it or the media doesn't like it or whatever, I think, you know, it is what it is. You know, I'm sure there's lots of things that go on on the ice and whatnot that fans don't like. And, you know, we don't necessarily have to discuss those up here with you guys. So, you know, the public opinion is something that obviously matters a lot, you know, but we're here to try to win games and try to put together

a good team on the ice. And, you know, if Kenny thinks that that's what he can do, then that's what he can do. I think, you know, Kenny's got our full support in what he does. what were your initial thoughts on this one guys there's just there's not a thought in his head i disagree i think that's the most honest conor mcdavid answer i've ever heard no it's well the thought is what's the problem he'll make our team better

which means there's not a thought in his head like every i i try not to buy into stereotypes and that includes about hockey players right and the stereotype is they're just hockey hockey hockey at all moments of every day now there are some players who it applies to very literally sydney crosby i love hearing the stories about sydney crosby where he'll be like at a bar and cannot last five minutes without bringing up hockey that's hilarious and i love it but just i i think hockey fans are begging for a player a star they can relate to they're begging for honest heartfelt answers and that's not heartfelt you know what i mean it is honest but it's robotic yeah I don't yeah he'll make the team better you could give a non-answer that is like you know that

you can give a non-answer where you just voice your support for Ken Holland and even that I'd be able to understand you know even that I'd be able to understand under the frame of well what do you expect him to say but he just said the quiet part out loud I don't care he'll make the team better you know and then he turns it around the word salad of stuff happens on the ice that people don't know what what are you talking about well he's saying that he's saying that you may not necessarily like how the sausage is made and i think that's probably true it's probably true no adam that's you putting clever words in his not clever mouth that's he he didn't say that right if he meant it he could have said it he didn't yeah he doesn't have the capacity

the no face of the league has the capacity this is what this is an extension of the conversation we just had and he comes across as defensive and unlikable let's call it what it is um i'm not rooting against connor mcdavid i'm not rooting against the oilers for god's sake i work for the rights holder i'm we're dying for the oilers to win we're dying for conor mcdavid to win a con smith trophy and lift the stanley cup above his head remember that the crosby era did not feel whole until 2009 when he lifted the thing above his head yep even ovechkin it felt like unfinished business until he finally he gets that moment where he lifts the cup above his head The NHL will be better with Conor McDavid winning,

but God, we need more from our stars. We need more from our stars. And I don't expect him to go up there and bash Evander Kane. Like, and I don't expect him to go up there and hold Ken Holland ransom and say, I'm going to walk out on the team. I'm going to walk out on the team if he does this. But it's one of those rare situations where I think a non-answer would have actually been the way to go but jesse said it's just a i just want to win sorry about

that jesse you um you tweeted something interesting uh-huh that clip that you played what did you tweet oh gosh what was the i'll read it to you connor connor mcdavid showing showing us who he really is essentially i'm paraphrasing but that's essentially yeah what did you think what was your reaction i'm curious about why he wrote that no steve hit on a lot of the points there and he went up there and the word that stood out to me that you nailed, I think, was defensive. Like he went up there

and he was up there and he's combative with the media. He's combative with the fans. And the fans are the whole reason that the league exists and that hockey, the NHL is a league and a sport and we're watching it. And he says we don't care about what you think. You should care

a little about what fans think. He said it was important, but at the end of the day they got to win games right you should care a little about what fans think they're the ones who are paying your paycheck it sounds like enough leafs yeah yeah and i just at least it was such a perfect segue from that uh superstar conversation to this because i i don't know i expect a little bit more from connor mcdavid if he wants to be the face of the league if if he wants me not to say austin matthews over him like you gotta you gotta have a better answer than that well it's not like matthews is a great record either which is going to be oh gosh by yeah oh the twitter the

twitter people let me know that this was entirely related to what happened to austin matthews two summers ago it's the exact crazy how that happens hey um but i i expected more and like after everything we went through uh this summer where the conversation around the kyle beach and the chicago blackhawks was hey maybe win at all costs isn't always the answer to go up there and just say hey this is about winning it was just it's just you you got to be smarter than that connor like just think about it for two seconds and give a nuanced answer there was a nuanced answer sitting there and he just chose to give boilerplate we don't care about the fans we're just trying to win well and i think i think you know it speaks to the frustration levels that connor probably feels

um and i i i think a lot of people were right when they said you know this is what we're talking about when we don't feel included in this game because this fucking guy did all these things and doesn't have to do anything and he's he's playing next to conor mcdavid right because he's good we talked about it the greatest sin you can commit in the nhl is not being good yeah it's not doing anything bad to people but because because if you're good you're going to be back i i here's what i hear in conor mcdavid right there's first off there's a guy that really isn't if you're looking for nuanced opinion that's the wrong guy okay we all know that we all know that i think it's unfair i think with the nh it's unfair of us to ask connor mcdavid that he's not a five-year-old

i i listen i get it and the reason i say it's unfair of us to ask connor mcdavid of that maybe it's not unfair to ask it's unfair to expect anything other than what we got that's i think a better way to put it the nhl put it's not unfair it's just foolish like what are we yeah okay the nhl answer the nhl put connor mcdavid in a position where he had to answer that question ken holland's terrible record as a general manager over the last decade put connor mcdavid in a position where he had to answer that question ken holland's terrible record and team mismanagement in the last three years since he's taken over since since peter shirelli was there put them in a spot where they have to look at signing a vander kane coming off

the shit he's come off of within a week of his contract being terminated for material breach like five seconds ago five seconds like this isn't like past discretions this is he just did this shit i'll get to connor's comments in a second but what i saw here was like i was thinking the other day okay so they don't sign evander kane and they've already said they're not trading their first round pick if i'm connor mcdavid and we make the playoffs get eliminated whatever um i'm fucking i'm walking into holland's office july 1st and saying give me get me the fuck out of here i'm never playing another game for you and the reason i say that is because this is not going to change and even if the oilers do sign evander kane it's not like they're evander kane away from

winning the stanley cup guys they're not maybe they're not maybe you know pretty it bolsters that off the goaltending's not gonna hold up man mcdavid is enough mcdavid dry saddle is enough of a duo that they can catch lightning in a bottle they almost made it to the third round in 2017 and then we haven't seen from them since played his ass off

if the playoffs look like the beginning of the season Oilers they could do that for 16 wins like they could win a Stanley Cup all bets are off here's the other thing that I think the NHL did wrong here allowing

for and I think that's this is why the nhl is doing this investigation they allowed for for amanda kane to be able to be signed this quickly gary betman controls every comma on every sentence on every website in the nhl on nhl.com and every other 32 teams this league is run like a dictatorship the the teams in this league have less freedom than any team in any other league collectively they do they have less individual freedoms gary loves it like that and gary couldn't shut down evander kane being signed this quickly he couldn't see that this maybe would be a problem so the hockey news recently released the top 100 people of power and influence and gary betman was number one

uh i believe it was kyle beach was actually number two bill daly was number three and jeremy jacobs was number four uh gary betman is absolutely not the most powerful and influential person in hockey um and moments like this prove it he was furious at the logan mayu selection at the draft he has less control than you think um okay but but steve he's got control over this and my point is it's a culture well he's trying to take control of it by the investigation that they're doing now but but my point here is that yeah they are taking control now late they put their their their guy that they want to be the the face of the league after Crosby retires they want that guy to be the face of the league and they put him up in front of reporters and asked him

hey do you care about uh what this guy did in his past or do you care about winning what do you think Connor McDavid's gonna say you don't have to like the answer I don't agree with the answer I don't think the answer was great and I think it comes from a place of well I haven't had to deal with these kinds of problems so i really don't have a lot of empathy towards them to be honest that's what i feel like but the league put that put itself in this position and put its superstar in this position and the oilers put itself in that position that press conference should never have happened it should never have happened and i think we have to we have to assign blame to conor mcdavid for giving a shitty answer because it was a shitty answer it was 100 is he where is

Should he be better? Absolutely. Does it come from a place of lack of empathy? Whatever you want to call it, privilege, whatever it is, all agree on that. 100% I'm with you. But I also think, man, why are the Oilers in a position that they have to, this is the guy. We got to do this. No one's asking that. like what they're the reason this is their option is because they're the least creative team in the entire league thank you that's what i mean yeah i i understand listen uh let me let me we made a mistake in handling this not not the podcast but the hockey world collectively i feel like you've been around hockey twitter long enough that i can make this observation what we should have done is left Oilers fans alone because they would have come to the right conclusion

on their own time and criticized McDavid profusely on their own time they would have even the golden boy they would have and Ken Holland and they would have talked about the situation in all of its nuance but instead us dirty

Easterners come in and we wag our finger at Connor McDavid and all of a sudden they got to defend the signing of Evander Kane yeah it's dude it happens time and time again there are Oilers situations it's why I don't tweet about them that often because I have these thoughts and I'm like you know what I'm just gonna wait and I wait a few hours and there there all of Oilers Twitter just tweeted what was in my head yeah but if I had tweeted something I would get bombarded with the opposite because dirty ontario bastards yeah that's fair i i think too

sharina med did a really great job in explaining the hockey culture problem of this and jesse i think touched on it steve you touched on it i tried to touch on it here um when she's talking you know for cbc about you know why why this is even even the case and i think honestly um you're Connor McDavid does not care about the bad PR anymore guys he said you he this is why I said it's the most honest I've ever seen him he just said I don't really give a shit now

and you're not going to like that answer I don't like that answer but he doesn't give a shit now because he just wants to win because it's so fucking frustrating playing there as fans were asking our players to give a shit I agree with all we're asking and I agree with you I'm just not sure he's doing the wrong thing I'm not

I have not yet seen i have not yet seen that that is possible i've not yet seen that jesse let me say this there are people who get defensive about hockey culture and this is one of the few situations where they might actually have a point because it this isn't winning at all costs is not purely a hockey problem that's a sports problem yeah baseball basketball football how many bad guys in football do we see signed all the time yeah people want to win people want to win and they're fairly naked about it like in in other sports i notice they just do it like they'll just make the signing and they won't even answer any questions about it um so it's it's a problem across sports agreed

agreed and we're just talking about hockey because that's what we are hockey that's what we do it's a very fair point though yeah i think it's fair culture yeah i just i just think you know we didn't with the connor mcdavid press conference as disappointed as i was in the answer we didn't need to get there if the nhl had done its job if daryl cates had done his homework and realized that it's really tough for ken holland to win without the greatest defenseman of the last 25 years on his roster i i think you know what i mean like it's it's just ken holland is not a great general manager guys and he hasn't been for a long long long time well let me throw this out there if it wasn't the Oilers it'd be someone else

I agree there's supposedly four teams in the mix so he's going to go to one of the other three if the Oilers don't uh-huh but the thing is is that all the teams that we've heard I think there was both teams in Florida Colorado I did hear like Elliot Friedman's like I got my eye on Carolina

right but Carolina's another team was like well the team I mean the team who signed Tony D'Angelo and again like there's a guy played three games after signing a nine million dollar contract the Rangers hated him so much that they got rid of him after the backup goalie punched him in the head and uh no we're gonna give him a million dollars and listen i'm all you know why because he puts

up fucking points i'm all for change i'm all for second chances i'm all for redemption stories i like all of those things but i gotta see some receipts first you don't just change we all know that you gotta you gotta get help and players we just mentioned have like a lengthy history right like we're not talking about guys who had one infraction and you know jason spencer got suspended for what was clearly a dirty hit but we were all like jason spencer what right right like but if if he does that seven times then maybe we talk about him the way we talk about matt cook for example you know what i mean you know you don't meldick's accusing matt cook of intentionally going after eric carlson's leg which is ridiculous but if there were any player you would you would

be like you know what it might be true it was matt cook because he earned that reputation he did that reputation to himself yeah which is what these players have done yeah i mean someone's gonna sign him and i mean it's a big problem in sports so um in moving and i guess concluding that guys if connor mcdavid has any desire to be the face of the nhl what must he do after what you learned yesterday from that answer i don't think we have to answer that question because i don't think he has that desire jesse that's a very interesting point yeah what if he doesn't want it i'd like him to just take some pr lessons i don't know somebody needs to just show him how to speak better to the media like that wasn't the right answer in the moment there's i don't know

of shit he would like to win but like he doesn't you know some people are taxed uh with the burden of being as good as they are at sports and i think he's one of those guys like he doesn't have the he doesn't have the personality of a his personality doesn't match his ability two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. New from Nespresso. Blend wellness into your coffee

routine with the Coffee Plus range, infused with functional benefits. Choose the coffee you love with added B vitamins, like Coffee Plus B12 to help support immune function and Coffee Plus B6 to keep your day moving. Or go with the flow and choose Ginseng Delight, our new double espresso with ginseng extract whatever lies ahead don't change your morning let your morning change you discover coffee plus on nespresso.com um gary betman uh released a statement yesterday talking about his conversation with um uh the head of the quebec government uh basically the legault government in quebec it was a virtual meeting between finance minister eric gerard and nhl commissioner gary betman um and essentially um the the idea here is the

legault government one of their sort of platform pieces is that they want to bring an nhl team back to quebec city and i think that's something everybody wants um and and you know they want but the problem is is that they can't seem to get the nhl convinced that quebec city would be an important asset to the league moving forward. Here's what Gary Bettman said. He said the meeting was cordial. He said, we explained that while we were appreciative and flattered by the interest expressed, unfortunately, we were not aware of any opportunity that could address that interest at the current time. We're appreciative that the lines of communication between parties have been refreshed, clicked refresh, and we agree to stay in touch with each other

as circumstances warrant going forward so so you know first off i laugh because you know the as long as jeremy jacobs is alive the nhl is not going back to quebec city and the reason for that is we talked about this on the podcast in like 2018 people actually asked me like why why can't a team work in quebec he's like corporate sponsorships there's a team in winnipeg yeah Yeah, but they light $20 million on fire every year. Minimum. They do. You know, here's the thing.

That's what I'm saying. We're lucky Jeremy Jacobs allowed. Jeremy, I'm sorry. I love the hockey news and the list is riveting, but Jeremy Jacobs not being number one every year is hysterical. Yeah. Also, side note on that list, Tim Cook comes in at number 99.

99. 99. That spot at 99 should have gone to Stephen A. yeah oh i know you're here and this isn't you don't have to comment on this at all but uh that slot that has went to tim cook it probably should have went to you tim cook weird ass accent good morning listen cooper tino sorry anyway sorry uh one day i would love to be on that list and one day i want to be in the hall of fame i'm a young man i'm a young man or not in the hall of fame it's honored member or whatever it is but one day there is going to be a

place for digital spaces it's a goal of mine it's legitimately a goal of mine and i plan on doing this for a long long time there you go love that and you guys can join me so as it as as it comes with as it comes to quebec though guys um you know the quebec government people no no we're talking about steve in the hall of fame all right yeah absolutely that's what we yeah so francois legault's government has come under a lot of fire with the way they've handled pandemic they've done here's listen there's been a curfew yeah a curfew which is objectively doesn't help anyone doesn't do anything um listen i'm i'm all pro vaccine but i'm i'm not pro lockdown and i i think that this guy this guy needed something to distract people yeah and i think

the league politely said uh let's just be friends thanks you ever oh that's exactly what it's like you ever see the tiktok of a guy who um he's in the kitchen and he turns off the light and runs up the stairs and a monster chases him but then as soon as he jumps under the covers the monster's like yeah that's quebec is the guy running up the stairs and jumping under the covers and the monster is covid yeah oh yeah i didn't get them by six damn yeah oh if only i got them before six yeah no they've they've it's things have got so extreme there that they're gonna they're looking at trying to find people uh who are unvaccinated they're letting they're not they're actually going to fine you between one and five thousand dollars or like tax you tax yeah and and they also uh you

can't buy alcohol or weed there now uh without being fully vaccinated and so um here's the thing that's a little authoritarian a lot authoritarian to be honest with you uh a little bit government getting in your fucking life, which I don't like, but I have to be honest with you, too. It's a savvy political move for Legault to talk about the NHL coming back to Quebec City, because I can tell you, as much as French

Canada wants it, English Canada wants it, too. Everybody wants the North. We need to see the numbers, and the numbers probably say on the NHL side, it's not viable. We'd rather move to Kansas City or Houston or just anywhere else in the States, because we're going to make more

money there. And if the money isn't substantial enough in quebec city then they're never going back earlier this week one of the main stars of twitter and pop culture news was a former reality show star who sold her farts in a jar and everyone laughed at her because who sells their farts in a jar that is a terrible thing to do selling your farts in a jar but we just talked moments of our lives about gary betman talking to francois legault eric gerard actually finance minister sir whatever i don't care like we should stop looking down on people who sell their farts in a jar when we are willing to talk about a conversation between gary betman and the quebec government yeah at the end of the day would

there be a canadian billionaire willing to take it on for five or ten years for sure for sure but here's the thing about the thing about billionaires is they often get tired of losing money after a while. And, uh, if you know, the NHL already has at least one team on life support, quite literally bleeding out on the table. I don't know that they want to be in a position. Well, I don't know if they want to be in a position to add another small, very, very small market team that would be well attended for sure, but would just never be a have team. You want, you want to have a bunch of teams that make a pile of money. They're going to have to really put a lot of resources into Houston when that inevitably comes along that market needs to win. And that's where their

focus is going to be. It's going to be Houston, maybe Hamilton. I'm telling you, keep your eyes on Hamilton and maybe Kansas city, but I bet you Houston, Hamilton, Kansas city, whatever you go with next you're gonna want you're gonna find major sponsorship dollars in hamilton you're gonna find it in houston you're not gonna find it in quebec city and frankly it's tougher there's a language barrier and extremely high taxes in quebec city it's very tough to do business in quebec in comparison to houston where there's like no tax and you know it's the wild west out there when it comes to economics i'm putting a team in london before i'm putting one in kansas in Quebec City.

London, England, yeah. Because eventually the NFL is going to do it. Yeah. The NFL is going to have a team in London because the plane ride is going to be the same

as going from the Seattle Seahawks to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for an Eastern Conference from going from New York to London. It's going to be the same. And there's going to be

a team over in London. And eventually, I think it happens in the NHL too. And I think that happens way before Quebec City ever happens again. I like that idea.

More money. I bet you, man, I bet you they go to Mexico City before they go that option. not kidding yeah there that's that's even better answer yeah and it's not that i don't want quebec city to happen i want it to happen i want it personally to happen nostalgia canadiana all of that stuff but come on guys like if you really look at the economics around it i just i don't listen i'm not a guy who's like i'm a real jeremy jacobs guy i align my often with jeremy jacobs

i don't know him well enough to be honest with you but i'll tell you he's right i know him well enough to know i don't like him oh see i don't know him that well yeah i don't know how do you know maybe he's a nice guy i don't know you've never met him steve yeah i don't know i don't like him i don't like him because he controls the nhl and that's farty to me he could be a very nice man who knows he could be steve what if he came on the show and he was very kind okay really steve's answer is okay hey why is every hey jeremy first question why is every story i've ever heard about you negative oh come on now we don't know that what's your relationship like with mark shipman what's uh okay what what sorry anyway so um i i just think it's a little

bit sad that the league is even indulging this and i also think it's a little bit sad that the quebec government is using this as a political tool both sides no both sides no come on everyone's getting used right now it doesn't look it's all dirty it was a 10 second zoom call hey so you know right yeah we both know okay yeah well we still can't okay cool see it glad we clicked refresh on the lines of communication still okay but you know why we're yeah yeah 100 hard feelings uh let's do the press conference two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk

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i learned that doc martin's the boots were uh started by a man named klaus martens i don't know how to say it in german but he's a german man that's martens probably probably yeah he was a german man during world war ii uh he was a member he was a doctor in the world war ii german army which makes him can you say it on three nazi nazi yes so i was wondering on three one two three and nazi all right all right okay yes yeah yeah so uh klaus martins he was uh he invented doc martins after he injured his foot and he wanted a more comfortable shoe and and it turns out doc martins every time you buy them you are supporting the invention of a nazi now i was wondering adam if you could do a history corner on awesome things that were invented by the bad side of

history it doesn't have to be a nazi stuff it can be whatever it is i thought it'd be fun if we do a recap of great inventions you still use today that were invented by just awful awful sides of history um okay well uh the uh there's a few i can take a lot from world war ii because um it's kind of the more recent global conflict but um the japanese kamikaze pilots uh all the japanese planes uh they would call them zeros uh their their engines were mitsubishi all of them were yeah um uh volkswagen the beetle the volkswagen bug was invented by the nazi regime as the people's car so when you see people around in a vintage volkswagen beetle that is the exact design with maybe a few changes like the one from the 40s and 50s the exact design that the nazi party

created and the whole idea was that it was supposed to be affordable to the everyman every single family was supposed to be able to afford one uh and so the volkswagen beetle is a nazi party era creation um the uh the the nazi outfit you know hitler and looking all sharp with the you know everybody looking all like they got their lapels and their things and whatever they're not you know the nazi uniform it's very it stands out right not in a good way but you know you you know what like you know the difference between the american like green one where it's hanging off their shoulder and then the nazi one where it's like tight and right and you know what i'm talking about that's hugo boss hugo boss was a huge nazi supporter huge what yeah absolutely

absolutely huge nazi supporter um part of the i think he was a member of the nazi party like i think like the political side of it uh or at least he was a donate a guy who donated to it um i think i think it was mercedes-benz that that did all the engines for the um stuka uh fighter bombers for the uh for the germans um and just like you know i think the i think it was the i think for the spitfire or the hurricane for the um for the allies for um britain it was those were rolls rolls-royce engines um so you know you can understand geographically why you know mercedes-benz would be involved or whatever and i i don't know about mercedes-benz ownership or leadership um being particularly involved in the nazi party but i do know hugo boss is a notable nazi like the guy

is who was like a absolutely you know out there we love hitler kind of guy he was still to this day active member of the nazi party as early as 1931 according to professor wikipedia right which is uh before they even got elected like they had seats in the in the uh german uh uh and what was the the assembly called basically their house of commons but uh it's the wehrmacht government whatever they were called there was like a there was a house and i it's escapes me right now um uh when i say one small step for man one giant leap for mankind what do you think of moon landing the moon moon landing lance armstrong yeah he rode his bike to the moon and he said where was i i was on the moon yeah busting my ass oh sorry so every every uh rocket

liftoff that you you've ever seen any of the shuttles any of the stuff that you see tesla doing now with their or SpaceX doing with their rockets or whatever can be attributed to one guy. His name is Werner von Braun. And he was in the 1920s in Germany, growing up obsessed with comic books about going to the moon and going to space and rocket technology. And he was the guy that created the first rockets. The Germans in World War II had a V1 rocket and a V2 rocket. They launched them. And the whole point of them was these were unmanned, essentially aircraft bombs that would land in london so they'd fire them from france or the netherlands or as they were peeled back uh in germany and they would fire them right into london and so werner

werner werner von braun uh was a part of a i think 50 nazi scientists that the american government made sure fell into their hands over the soviet hands so that they would be able to uh uh develop and keep and protect um uh rocket technology once the war ended so it got out that the intellectual uh scientific community uh in germany as as it became pretty clear that the germans were not going to win the war if they surrender to the americans they were going to go to america and they were going to live well and they're going to be a part of um a part of the space program and so it's verner verner von braun went from being literally a guy firing v1 and v2 rockets into london england to being the guy that was the major driving force

between behind the americans going to the moon you know i remember vividly there was a moment in high school where there was we were learning in history and there was a girl of german descent in our class and i heard her loudly enough mutter under her breath this sucks yeah yeah she did not enjoy history class no no it's it's tough it's uh it's uh you know we all have every national history has its um its skeletons and um you know uh that's that's a tough one but you know that was just those are just some examples you know what i mean like there's ones in um comes from anywhere i'm sure i'm forgetting a lot of stuff but then the thing about germany at that time and frankly ever since um is that they valued art and they valued science in a way that other countries

just didn't you know the brits valued it but they valued tradition more than they valued that americans valued their entertainment and they've definitely valued um uh brain trust and that sort of thing but the nazis really and and frankly the the this the democracy that preceded the nazi party taking power and and the the first german empire all of them really valued the scientific and the artistic community uh so um you know the the big composers of the day or whatever were um quite literally subsidized by the government and the scientific community in in germany was was thriving absolutely thriving and had the nazis not come to the come to the fore there's a very good chance that a better government with better ideals could have taken

that and unleashed that in on the world in a good way right a lot of those people had to leave germany uh to to do any good in the world after doing some really terrible bad stuff um it's a very mixed bag of history it's a shame um but that was why like there was this huge explosion of knowledge that came out of germany in the early 20th century in late 19th century and um and you know we have a lot of german related things to to thank for it but sometimes the history is really fucking icky and i mean you know i have purchased hugo boss items before i have i didn't know at the time but yeah i have is the company a nazi company now no no it doesn't have does it have an icky past?

No, it's currently that. It's beyond icky. It's horrible. I walked into my grandpa's house with a Hugo Boss shirt and he slapped me and never explained. Never explained it. Anyway, yeah, Hugo Boss always shocks people. It's always like, what, really?

Today I asked for questions on Twitter, which we rarely do nowadays now that we have a bump in Discord, but I want to get some of these Twitter questions in because the people came out today. So for Avery Duvall one, Steve, can we get a resounding? Why not for a Friday show?

Why not? Oh, my voice cracked. Wow. Why not? There it is. That was a strong one. Yeah, this one's from MW Bauer. Do you think the Leafs will trade a current roster player

in order to create cap space for Jack Campbell's new contract? What do you guys think of Campbell coming up as a UFA? well so a part of if i'm not mistaken part of the reason i was behind the peter marazic signing or at least in part in the summer is he would help keep jack campbell's number down and then he got hurt in the first game and then he came back and then he got hurt in the second game and then he came back and then he played a third game and then they shut the season down and then he played a fourth game and the leafs lost to the freaking coyotes so um and jack campbell is now going to the all-star game he's he's very legitimately in the vesna conversation

by now and uh producer drew likes to tease me with this because he's he was showing me like goalie salaries in the league and heading into the season or early in the season i think Like I said, a Jack Campbell comparable could be the contract that Linus Allmark got. And now I think he's probably in a conversation closer to what Jake Markstrom got. And if he gets nominated for the Vesna, he's going to get even more than that.

They'll have to trade somebody. Also, that's the case. His agent is Kurt Overhart. And I don't know if you guys know this. I heard this for the rumor. There is a there is a nickname for Kurt Overhart and his clients, which is Kurt Overcharge. So that's good. Yeah. So, you know, that is well known around the league.

They ask for big numbers. So you're going to hear a lot of big numbers surrounding Jack Campbell as that contract talks. He's up. I feel like Leaf fans have finally learned. like most people have not brought that up there we're just sort of blinders on blissfully ignoring the fact that jack campbell's contract yeah but buddy it's covid you know how many worries i got right now yes those are july problems we didn't have enough to worry about before yeah no we didn't we just sort of lived our lives i'm gonna go to the movie theater and like shit like that

can't do that anymore we got too many worries i want to ask another leafs one this one's from shawn ski 14 why aren't we talking about jake muzzin and his fall off do you guys think jake muzzin's falling off this season i'm not convinced jake muzzin or or justin hall have played a healthy game all season no um did you see did you see justin hall cross-checking uh as a jack campbell the other day no it was peter morazic oh my god i saw that in the moment and my brain didn't register it because i was just like that's too ridiculous you didn't actually see what you saw and then i something about seeing the replay on twitter the next day i was like what the fuck was he doing yeah okay like it didn't it'd be one thing if he just sort of collided

but there was a push yeah yeah that's an involuntary movement i think if they had an option that they felt comfortable with jake muzzin would be able to sit down for two or three weeks and just work through whatever he needs to work through yeah yeah yeah and i think they were hoping for the olympic break they're not going to get that now i worry it is a potential surgery issue because he did have several weeks off guys and it didn't make him any better yeah so i mean the the guys are rusty and everything but at some point the rust has to come off like this is the thing with this road trip is i think patience was always going to wear off very quickly um it hasn't been good blew a 4-1 lead blew a 3-1 lead lost to the last place

team just despite getting goalied like i don't i'm not interested in the reason i god bless people who still defend the leafs at every turn it's it's like you know you watch you invest heavily you're a hardcore fan if you're talking about the leafs you invest heavily and every october you just shake the etch-a-sketch and forgive them and forget everything there's no baggage guys it's about playoff relevancy and i said this when they were first place um they lost a game against tampa or florida or something like that i can't remember and i'm looking at their forward group it's good and i look at their defense and i'm like there's no chance there's absolutely no chance they make it through four rounds of playoff hockey with that there isn't

there is not a scenario where that exists remember we were talking about earlier the oilers i could see a scenario where they capture lightning in a bottle and go on a little run if they get a little bit of goaltending. I don't think that scenario exists for the Toronto Maple Leafs. I don't. And they're a better team in my opinion. I do. They're the best

team in the National Hockey League since November 1st. There's a chance they get hot and they go on a run and they win the Stanley Cup. That's a very feasible thing that can happen if you're the best team for two months in the league. Muzzin gets hurt. What's your top six?

That's the difference. Connor McDavid gets hurt. Like, what are you throwing at me? Jake Muzzin is extraordinarily not Connor McDavid. No, but you're just throwing that all right in the injury. In each of the last two playoffs, Muzzin got hurt, and the defense looked like shit. Chris Russell gets hurt.

Who the fuck are you going to throw out there anyway? Travis Tremont doesn't spin a ram in overtime. When you outshot them 13 to 1. You go Riley Brody, Sandin. You can't account for this shit, Steve. Hall and like Dermot Lilligren and you're going to win four playoff rounds. I think they can do

it. I say they do it. Nope. You know what, man? One thing I will say is my boy Timothy really impressed. I like him. I like him. It's a bit of a weird thing the other night with him and Dermot, but bro, you're going to go

four to seven games against the Lightning or the Panthers. Shut up. Hell yeah. No. Yeah. Why not? No. Not even close. Bring back pull out. Someone's got to contain Hedman. Bless them, but not even close. Can FNUF un-retire? Yo, where's Ron

Hainsey at? We could sign him and do it. What is it? The 10-day deal from the NBA? What's the new thing for COVID? I forgot what it's called. I want him to get the David Clarkson treatment where with Clarkson, it was he's coming, but with Ron

Hainsey, it's just I'm getting too old for this shit. Yeah, I was supposed to retire tomorrow and he joins the leafs lineup with those weird tongues on his skates that have always bothered me yeah man i would love that i think it'd be funny uh last thing this is from nr hornets 21 how do you feel about tuka back tuka rask returned from uh his fake retirement where he just kind of sat out and recovered and he came back to the boston bruins signed a million dollar contract made 25

saves in his first start since June 3-2 win over the Flyers the Bruins cheated the system what do you guys think I'm just glad the Boston Bruins finally caught a break yeah man I'm just glad something went their way yo here's the thing about Boston fucking winners win man

yeah shit goes your way when you when you when you win and winning perpetuates winning it does oh it does I'm happy as a hockey fan i'm sad as a leafs fan and i'm even more sad as a jeremy swayman fantasy holder boy your fantasy team this year has just been miserable and it's made a comeback it's made a i'm gonna lose this week because of covid but i'm now i think four and eight

which i was oh and six so that's good all right all right i'm four and two since i went oh and six. That's amazing. You'll learn that fantasy is a very specific skill. Like having knowledge of hockey isn't necessarily conducive to being good at fantasy. It's their strategy to it. And I'm glad you're learning

this year with your four and eight team. I'm learning. At least he's got a good starter backup, right, Jesse? Oh, yeah. Running three goaltenders. I can only start one, but at least I got the other two. No, I can stare you down from the bench.

That was a mistake, and I ended up trading Hellebuck. Oh, good. The deal involves Swayman, too. Oh, fuck. All right. Hey, you know what? It was good for a while. It was.

Steve, Jesse's laughing, but he's no better at his GM. Let's be honest. First round loss with the lease, eh? Injuries. Matthews and Willey were out. That's a good game. We're running it back. It's a good game.

We're running it back. EA Sports. It's accurate as fuck. Amazing. Well, listen, we are going to be back in studio, all three of us, as of next week, which we're all very excited about. Thanks so much for bearing with us on this one while I kick COVID to the curb.

And then we're going to get back and we're going to have some fun next week. And hopefully the Leafs win tomorrow night. I don't know. Are they even playing? What day is it? Oh, yes. You have a stream with Sid Sixer. Yeah, I was thinking about Monday's game.

Monday's game is postponed. Monday's game is postponed. Oh, fuck. I love you, Steve. Go get a nap in, buddy. I do. The Steve Dangle Podcast. Follow the guys on Twitter at Steve underscore Dangle at Adam W.Y.L.D.E.

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