The Steve Dangle Podcast - Snow Etiquette | January 17, 2022

Episode Date: January 18, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, it's a snow day! (00:00), will Ken Holland do anything to stop the bleeding Edmonton Oilers (17:00), the Toronto Maple Leafs have a great road trip but blow many leads (41:00), the Dallas Stars are looking to trade John Klingberg (1:05:00), Netflix is doing a Drive to Survive for golf (1:15:00), and a wild game between Homboldt and Melfort (1:19:00). Originally aired: January 17, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/y-s_lJW59X8 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://manscaped.com CODE: DANGLE https://hellofresh.com/sdp16 Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

not in isolation not in lockdown no we're just snowed in today um snowing we got needy deep snow in toronto and before um before anybody from the rest of the country is like i do that all the time yeah because you live in that part of the fucking country we don't live in that part of the fucking country we live here where it snows three to four centimeters mostly um and i've never like the city is dead it's a dead city it's the biggest storm in 23 years isn't it yeah something like that they've shut down all the major routes police are like please please go home everybody it's it's nuts like i haven't seen it like this in a long long time is the biggest storm or routes i think either words roots because roots are for a tree

yeah but english is a silly language jesse and there's lots of words that sound the same it's true like when you're a wide receiver you run a route right but you could argue that a root is like a like a route is like a root jesse because it is that which binds us together kind of like a root in the ground a root brings a tree now treants that's right that's how it works we are the nutrients that keep the city i thought it was funny oh not treants just steve not treants um well have you ever heard a british person say jaguar jaguar jaguar you're like wow that is really aggressive hey so i got a question for you before we get started here i want to talk about and if you're from anywhere south of like i don't

know south of uh pittsburgh i don't know if this this matters to you but um what is i want to talk about uh snow etiquette can we talk about snow etiquette for a second here if you've never seen anticipating this story okay very interested in snow etiquette so okay let's let's be straight here this is a terrible snowstorm it sucks and i don't have a huge driveway thankfully my garage quite literally backs onto a um onto a laneway so there's nothing to shovel right like you but the front you got to shovel you know down because you know there's the sidewalk and everything you make sure people can walk by um it's your duty uh as a citizen if you can possibly manage it to clear as much snow as you can at least you know onto your lawn or onto the road or whatever

you want to do. So my neighbors are never home, never, ever, ever home. And, uh, and I always shovel their walk because our walks are sort of adjoining, right? Like they quite literally are right beside each other. It's the same interlock. It's the same stone they were put in at the same time. They are, they are joined as though they were one. So all year being the guy that I am, you just shovel your neighbor's walk and you do their sidewalk because you want to. Right. Cause that's a good thing to do. If you're the first one out, you should shovel their drive or you should shovel their walk. So I drive in today and I was saying to Steve and Jesse, I had to drive into work today. You know, it's on a, on a, on a morning, like I drive in at like

five 15, five 30. It takes me eight minutes to get to work from where I live. If all the lights turn the right way at the right time. What a dream. It took me 35 minutes to get from A to B this morning and um and that's just because like the snow was so crazy so um i get home and again it takes me another half an hour to get home no problem like no big deal and none of the none of the none of the neighborhood is plowed so there's like those two little tire tracks from the other big suv that made it through and i'm so grateful that i drive a pickup truck because i was able to kind of maneuver my way through and everybody's car is covered in like two feet of snow that Honda Ridgeline's really working.

That's right. Yeah, you guys all make fun of me for having a Honda pickup, but boy, did it work out well today. I wouldn't say anything about your Honda pickup. And I, you know, like it was so bad, guys, that to park in front of my house, which you have to parallel park, there were no cars, but I had to get a rolling start backing up and then doing the way just so I could slide it in

because I had to go bust through the snow to park my car. Or onto a drift. so once i get once i get my car parked and i'm about to walk up to my house i realize obviously and again like above knee deep snow my walkway is not shoveled fine my neighbor's walkway is shoveled and not only is it shoveled but he's left some of the fucking snow on my side and i'm like like listen i know you're never home and you know he probably doesn't know that i shovel his walkway every time but the the salt in the wound was he just left his snow on top of the snow that i already had to shovel and i was and i'm and i'm just wondering and maybe this is

dad there's probably hardcore dad energy right now i get it i'm just wondering do i have a right to be a little bit miffed did he do the specific scoop and put on your side well so you know how you you it's like uh you drop and like push drop and push right you know there's like a little bit yeah there's that you know you you can tell the difference between snow that's just falling out of the sky and still that's been moved yep oh that's been moved was on top of the snow so falling out on both sides he moved his snow to your side yes he pushed oh a little well like he had a lot of it was on his side like on his lawn and i get it it's totally cool yeah but but then he put some of it on mine like as though he'd like flipped a few look and i'm like and guys

you've been on my walkway it's two feet wide it's not like this is long i mean it might be 10 feet from the street and it's two feet wide it's not hard to to just shovel it and just shovel it it's just do it yeah it's it's a minor transgression but because of how easily avoidable it is you're 100 in the right to be missed yeah thank you i'm on your side here yeah thank you snow etiquette's a big thing i didn't realize until i was a grown-up and owned my own house that all the things my mom and dad taught me about snow etiquette were 100 right for example and this is a very suburban thing you know how you'll have your lawn and maybe you'll have a neighbor on this side and you share the lawn then you have a neighbor on the other side and you have this

it's not a lawn it's a tiny strip yeah yeah yeah yeah at all costs you do not put snow on the tiny strip you're brushing snow off the car you know you have to do like a little bit that's fine but you do not do half and half right and have this ridiculous wall that ultimately is just gonna tumble onto their side of the driveway totally now you're creating more work for them what how far do you have to shovel on the sidewalk between houses i think we all know what the parameters are what halfway between the two houses is but just general howdy neighbor etiquette is you go past that i if you're the first one out there to me i do my sidewalk this guys and that guys what you just said that's that's the most important part of this whole thing

the sidewalk etiquette that's exactly if you're the first person out that's exactly what you do and then the other person repays the favor at some other date but anytime you go out there because i i since i was i don't know 10 my parents made me shovel the driveway it was my job so i always i went up to my neighbor my neighbor and she lived there i went all the way to her driveway on the other side you go all the way to the other side you gotta do it every single time my neighbor well my dad would wake us up at 5 30 in the morning if it snowed on a school day to make sure that we could do our neighbors like it was important to him like so what he was right he's right so so he had this oil guzzling fucking uh uh environmental hazard of a snow snowblower

like this thing lucky ones this thing where my family is responsible for global warming with this fucking machine i'm not kidding and it was so bad because my dad was super cheap about this i don't know why he needed to buy this rust bucket piece of shit but it took him half an hour to get it going every time and once it worked it was working fine but it was blue smoke in the air and yeah and so we had we had um we had a couple different shovels and one of them was those old rusty ice scraper heavy shovels and it worked really really well but he would send me out and he'd be like you do the walkways and you do we had hal and lois on one side and we had jim and vera on the other side and he said you do you do jim and veras and then you do hal and lois's

sidewalk and then when you're done if i'm not if i haven't caught up with you you start doing their driveways too because they're older and you do that we have a neighbor he was the only one like on our little block who had an actual snowblower everybody else with the shovels and he used to go out into the street and do like the street in front of his house he had the time and you know he's just a dad it's amazing why not snowblow some more stuff there was a guy in our neighborhood today and again i don't know why he has this gigantic snowblower but he does we don't have driveway so i'm not really sure what he's doing with it but he hooked around the entire fucking block with this thing he just did all the sidewalks for everybody he's showing off

he spent too much of canadian tire and he's to get his money's worth i better use this you're wrong you're wrong what is it he is taking responsibility for who he is and that is snowblower guy he is snowblower guy not every street i'm sure there are more affluent neighborhoods where everyone is snowblower guy my street is not that street there are a small handful of snowblower guys right and when you're done being snowblower guy to yourself it is your responsibility to march down the street and be snowblower guy for at least two other neighbors yeah 100 two yeah 100 i accept my responsibility for who i am which is salt guy oh you're salt guy i am salt guy i took up this mantle about three years ago

because instead of you know going out and getting the salt and you get your tiny little bag and you basically out of a salt shaker from the kitchen uh you know and you're like a little bag of cocaine And just like, yeah, it's a little bit of salt. I just need a little bit of salt in the walkway. You don't do that. No. Nice and early in the season, you get a bunch. You fill up one of those Home Depot buckets.

And then you do your walkway every time you cut open like a thing of orange juice or an old laundry detergent, whatever. And that's your scoop. and you salt your walkway and you salt your sidewalk and that guy's sidewalk and that guy's sidewalk to both sides

and if any neighbor comes to you for a little bit of that can I get a cup of winter sugar, that's salt you give it to them because you're a salt guy that is your role and if you don't respect your role as salt guy, all society collapses

it's true lapses i salt guy's a little lower on the list for me because sometimes oh yeah definitely sometimes salt guy can be the lazy guy oh i think i know what you mean comes out after everything's kind of been shoveled the two neighbors already did his parts of the sidewalk and he comes out just tossing he doesn't even need the big coat he has his regular winter coat on he's only out there for five minutes he's out there like salt bay like i helped i did my job here i tossed a little salt i only have one pair of pants on i know i'm not gonna be out here for a long time right yeah so steve don't be that salt guy because salt guy could be a bad thing i'm not that salt guy how no and they you know what jesse it's good

you brought that sort of salt guy up because they give salt guys a bad name it's true and i'm here to tell salt guys to do your part just do your part so i want to conclude the story because i also want to mention that this guy had done his sidewalk but of course had done right up to the middle of our walkway and left it no he did his like i think our our lots might be like 30 feet wide max like it's not they're these are not big houses and uh they're not wide houses so he might have or i don't know it's 30 feet a lot i don't even know maybe it's 15 it's not they're not big they're in toronto right and like they're tall but they're not like wide and so he's he's done like his like 15 feet of fucking his sidewalk and then just left it for me and so i so i did my so

here's the thing he clearly did his a couple hours ago because some snow had fallen since then so here's what i did i cleared the sidewalks both sides because it ain't a sidewalk is not personal sidewalk is what you do for the city you do that as a good citizen society that's right for him specifically there was probably about three or four inches left on his walkway because it had been a while since he shoveled so do you think i cleared those fucking three inches i hope so no i i left no i left him i don't even care i'm sending a message and by the way no don't worry don't be vindictive snow guy don't worry i'm gonna go out and get it after but i had to come down and do the show and i'm like you know what i'm just wanna i wanted to look out

his window and go fuck and then i'm gonna go out and do it i want him to know i've been shoveling this guy every time it has snowed since last like early march when we moved in i've been shoveling this guy's snow i've been watching his house and the reason i shovel his snow is and and make sure his mail isn't fucking everywhere i've seen him three times in my entire life the reason i do that is because if if people case houses they look at houses that were where it looks like people aren't home so i shoveled his walk so it doesn't look like he's not there old dad thing oh no you're right about that like you're not wrong you know so anyway it listen was it petty absolutely but sometimes man you gotta put your foot down and send a message okay just be a good neighbor yeah

just be a good here last thing i have a neighbor next to me who's never home they're never home i'll shovel his entire driveway that's if that's what you should do yeah if the snowfall is light enough i'll shovel his entire driveway because he's never home right like who knows it's going to snow tomorrow and then the next day and then the next day and then it's going to be this big job for him to do no you do it when you're not home because i'll come home after garbage day and my recycle bins and green bin will be right in front of the garage door i still don't know which neighbor does it that's i still don't know wow i still don't know i've been here seven years i still don't know and i hope to never know because i just like it being one of those things

he didn't know i was the guy shoveling his driveway every time until one time he happened to be home and he walked out and he like caught me and i was i was like embarrassed and then you know what this guy does a couple years ago or was it last year it was in recent memory i'm shoveling a hell storm i'm like oh my back hurts this is taking forever i'm sweating doesn't this dude come out with a snowblower i didn't know he even had and all of a sudden a half hour job turns into five minutes and it was great just be a good neighbor that's all anyone's asking if you can truly build up some good trust with your neighbors i know neighbors that will allow other neighbors into their garage to give them the code to use their snowblower like if

they're not home yeah that's how it was like we're on my street where i grew up that's how it was and i'm seeing here's the thing my neighborhood is really community like they go all out for halloween they go all out for christmas there's a lot of kids that's why we moved here because i wanted everly to grow up on a great street with a bunch of kids and um and i like everybody's out today helping each other out digging out this one fucking guy do you want to know why do you want to know why he's even home because he's selling the house he's home because he's selling the house and it's like dude i'm glad you're selling i hope the next person gets it i hope the next person gets it get out of here steve you need a new house yeah well i bet this is

really affordable what's like 600 super super unaffordable that's why i'm renting this house i'm not i didn't buy it who could afford that anyway the um if you're if you have a neighbor who's never home like there's ever in their house that you got to mow their lawn you got to shovel the driveway that's a thing it's not like we live in the most dangerous city in the world but you know you don't want people to know that no one's living in a home so as a neighbor as a good neighbor thing definitely shovel the driver that's very nice of you steve yeah steven you're a good man you're a better man than i i have always had great neighbors i've oh you know what i had growing up i miss this neighbor we had oh hey and they would literally

reach over the fence we made too much food like here take some of this food at a barbecue and like they would have like 30 people in their backyard they had an enormous family And you made too much food? How much food did you make, sir and madam? But we would get it. It would be good stuff. Oh, God, I missed that. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer.

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extract whatever lies ahead don't change your morning let your morning change you discover coffee plus on espresso.com so listen i mean there's a few things we want to touch on today i think the first thing is the oilers we got to talk about them uh i know we have to talk about the leaves oh be careful what oh because we're from ontario i don't know what did we get did we get anti i thought all those fans were amazing last time they were like yeah we agree at least that's what i saw i don't know i'm feeling sheepish lately i can't feel like a tent i can't talk about anybody don't well that's because because no matter what you do somebody's gonna be upset but steve the thing is is that you could have people upset at you or you could

have nobody tweet you at all i know i'm baghead now i'm baghead now you're baghead now for what criticizing the Leafs for blowing leads far more often than anybody else well we we got it we do have to talk about that but I do I do want to quickly touch on the Oilers because I think the Leafs are absolutely we need to talk about it oh I'm not sure let me just talk about this I don't know let's keep talking about snow the Oilers um there was rumors of today about a um about a press conference now uh Jesse you did the CJ show this morning and to give a little top line because chris chris handles a lot of this stuff where like it likes you know you see rumors going around you ask chris right so what did he say uh just that uh no coach looks to be

letting go in edmonton anytime soon it's not something uh ken holland does very often and it looks like tippet's job is safe for now any rumors of a um a firing happening this day or this week is probably not definitely going to happen okay and cj expands expands on it on why but yeah on the shows you check out a show yeah but i i think you know i i i am surprised i'm still surprised at how many oiler fans think are i think i think maybe because the proximity of vancouver right there's a coaching change in vancouver vancouver canucks are looking amazing they won again yesterday like they're they're it's amazing but do we think that and again I maybe my answer would have been different even a week ago but watching Connor McDavid's press conference

last night after losing in the Sens it was hard hard to see that you know like they lost to the 30th place team is a coaching change going to change this are we sure even if it did happen like all right they don't have mike smith right and i'm not here to slander mike smith because the oilers are talking like all they need is mike smith to come back okay it's hard to play without your starting goalie for god's sake good teams get wins they get wins with the backup they get wins with the third we've seen them get wins with the fourth and the fifth vegas as an expansion team got wins with oscar dansk and maxim legace uh michael hutchinson malcolm two man two was no maybe um yeah but he was like the backup

oh he was yeah yeah yeah that year uh for the first bit um you know there are other teams too like jesus goalies win you get win joseph wall man yeah like he's he's got some wins rookie goalies you're able to get wins the oilers have won with migo koskinen before they've won with stuart skinner before they're not winning anything right now so to put this squarely on goaltending it's just not real and looking at conor mcdavid after that game um you know i'm gonna you know let's ignore the previous conversation we had about mcdavid and being aloof and combative and all that like it's losing to the point where it's toxic right there are losing streaks

and teams get mad and they they get a little prickly and they find a way the Oilers are not finding a way and there's an how would you describe McDavid at that press conference remembering that that's not just the team's best player it's their captain I saw dejected i saw like and i saw a you know what it is it's apathy it's it's like it almost and you could see it a little bit with the evander kane comments and maybe i'm wrong like maybe i'm misreading the guy but it just feels like he doesn't give a fuck and that's that's the problem right like you know leaf fans we saw this uh at during the horror check part of this season and i think it freaked out mlse they stopped selling out games because people were like why the fuck

when i go see that and the leafs could sell out anything at any time when they're at the worst they were still selling out and i with conor mcdavid what i see is a guy who's so beyond frustrated it's like what's the point why would i even get mad there it is so it's it's not about him not caring by nature yes you're right so that was something that i maybe didn't communicate properly the last time it's not about him not caring by nature it's that uh he's broken a little bit in terms of spirit you can get that back you can unbreak it it heals um who's gonna provide the cast anybody bueller like the oil that's a layup you got a three one lead on the sense come on and like it was hard fought at the end one of the sense scored with a helmet that

wasn't even his did you see that yes like it's it's a big problem there but again they find themselves in a similar situation to the Canucks like you mentioned where the Canucks didn't act right away because they were like oh shit like this wasn't even on the agenda we this wasn't a consideration of ours do you think the Oilers considered they would be in this position no what's happening right now like when I look at Edmonton I'm shocked and I can't imagine that's how I I think McDavid has some of that in him as well just shock and awe and because they shouldn't be out of the playoffs this year the Edmonton Oilers should be a playoff team and it wasn't in the realm of possibility that the Oilers would miss the playoffs none of us had them

outside of the playoffs like they have mcdavid and dry sidle they just need some people around them and a little bit of goaltending they'll make the playoffs and they had support cast scoring last night by the way too yeah and that didn't even work so i i would be dumbfounded too if i was just a member of that organization because it was out of the realm of possibility that you'd be sitting here with 47 games to go well outside of a playoff spot um something there uh so ken holland I think we agree he hasn't been there long enough to get fired like GMs don't get fired after two seasons but locking up Barry locking up CeCe trading for Duncan Keith at full cost trading Ethan Bear locking up Darnell Nurse a year ahead of time to nine and a quarter

those are all in the same summer and all on defense well you're forgetting the reason he had to lock him up a year early steve is because he he bridged him he bridged arnold nurse as well let's not forget that he was the guy who was like pushing for the bridge deal what an unholy catastrophe what a catastrophe of a summer all at one position and goalie what goalie do you think you're gonna get that I tell you what if Marc-Andre Fleury gets traded to the Oilers and they do anything of consequence in the playoffs with that defense the hall of fame argument if there ever was one is over put him in there's not one put him in immediately rename the Stanley Cup after him make a you know so you went from

one extreme to the other no no i'll scrap the con smith trophy it's out of date why is it in the shape of maple leaf gardens just make it into a flower a flower with immaculate teeth i'll i'll let an artist do a rendering of that because seriously seriously yeah they're not getting goaltending because their defense is catastrophic catastrophic i didn't bring up the depth guys because that's not – they're depth guys. Like, that shouldn't make or break you. It's your top four. Their top four is abysmal.

They got a guy. They got one guy and a guy who's going to be a guy, but he's too young to be the guy at the moment. Takes a while to be the guy. Takes a while to be the guy. And now they got all these postponed games, and they're going to play 50 games in 40 nights or something coming up.

And that gives them some runway to make up points. But oh my God, is the rest of the season going to be so hard for them? You've really got two options. It's you undo your own moves that you did like four months ago, which I don't think any GM is going to do because that's your own moves

and you're not going to make you wrong. or you fire head coach to try and motivate the guys or you stand pat and you throw the season in the trash and you have the entire uh ownership group on top of you upset like so this should lose lose lose situations here and i don't know which lane to pick um the interesting little thing here uh is the oilers farm team the bakersfield condors is doing spectacularly and I can't remember the coach's full name. Woodcroft, is it? It's Jim Woodcroft.

I'm not sure. Jim is a good hockey guess. I'm going to type in Jim Woodcroft. Mike. Mike. Is it Mike Woodcroft? There's a James Woodcroft. No, Jimmy.

No, no, I don't think it's him. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Ted's a good hockey name, too. Yeah, but it's a bit of an older one. Yeah, I've seen a lot of Ted's lately. Yeah, well, maybe he's like a younger coach. Like he suffered an injury, and so he started coaching early. It's Blazin' Woodcroft or something.

You know what I mean? Yeah, B-L-E-H-Y-Z-apostrophe-N. Blazin' Woodcroft. What do you guys do? Do you fire the head coach? Do you train a bunch of guys? Do you stand pat? You mortgage the future to get somebody in the door for Conor McDavid and

Landry Seidel. That's what you do, man. You don't have a future without them. And here's what, here's what I was thinking, right? We're talking about the apathy thing earlier. Like, I don't know if this is as bad as it's ever been in Edmonton, but it's close. And what did we say the last time it got this bad? Like when Ken Holland took over, we were like, tick, tick, tick, Conor McDavid, tick, tick, tick. How long is he going to want to be here?

And I, you know, it wouldn't shock me if at the end of this season, he said, I can't fucking do this. It wouldn't shock me. Would it shock you? Would you, would you, would Oilers fans blame Connor McDavid for that? No, dude, that's the crazy thing. I've seen a bunch of tweets. I've seen a bunch of tweets like, bro, go, go get it somewhere else.

I mean, that's who knows. Maybe trading Connor McDavid is what turns the whole franchise around. Andrew Berkshire sent me a fascinating text today. I don't know every now and then he just sends me an interesting hockey text because he's good for that and you're like wow okay yeah he's just doing research all the time he's he told he told me the Quebec Nordiques drafted first overall in 1989 1990 and 1991 they built a championship team within five years with none of those players Matt Sundin Owen Nolan and Eric Lindros all of them out the door and then they won the cup so you know

just when you think it's darkest and i always say that that's that's the magic factor there are times where you could look at a team on paper and it's just a piece of shit and you go they're going to overachieve because we're all thinking they're going to get 30 points next year and that's just not how hockey works i want to say this achieve i want to say this i i think a lot of people are going to have a bone to pick with you for counting the avalanche stanley cup as a nordique stanley cup what did you just do there steve that's true from quebec that's true that's true but no it's what would patrick waugh have ended up with the quebec nordiques if they had not moved to colorado would that trade have happened i don't know no that's like there's

no way that's a that's such a good point it's such a good point it's not important yeah i mean i feel like that's a really good point quebec city would have won something eventually they would have had to sort out their goaltending though if they had held on to jose theodore they wouldn't have won and he was good tebow sorry jocelyn tebow i don't think you know no offense to jocelyn tebow who had some good years i just don't think he was cup caliber now i want to i want to say this about about the oilers um the the frustration that the fans are feeling obviously the players are feeling whatever i mean 10 games from now this could be completely different but i think and we know that right if they win seven of their next 10 it's a different

conversation but i want to i want to mention this because every time the oilers get good or have a good streak we go okay now's the time they're going to take off and we've been doing this for six years okay well maybe not six maybe four of those six years remember they they went to the second round i think in conor mcdavid second or third year and everybody's like okay now's the time miss the playoffs the next year and they go through these streaks where they win a lot yeah they win a lot and then they go and we go okay now's the time now through the oilers go and every single time this happens there's you're good good good good bad bad bad bad it always evens out and they always kind of end up where they are so with the next time that these guys

fly which they will conor mcdavid and leon will will take off again it'll happen and they'll explode and everybody'll be like wow this is crazy they're so great and they are i want to remind everyone of what we're seeing right now and how I will consistently sort of like with the Leafs be waiting for the other shoe to drop I don't I you know like every time every time the owners do well everybody's like yeah see fuck you Toronto man like what like what I and I didn't say anything I didn't say anything like I'm happy I want Carter McDavid in the playoffs winning a cup i want that i want that he's from new market i want that i want it but guys this happens every time and every time we're like i can't believe this i just can't believe it 40 times come on

yeah but i'm like that with the leafs i like every year i'm like i'm like no as as much as i'm dreading everything this is the year where the correction comes this is the year where they break through and that's why i was still so flummoxed at what happened against montreal like you saw the look on my face i look like i saw a ghost because i'm like are you there's no way there's no way there's just no way the writers of space jam couldn't have come up with this shit oh yeah so so um anyway long story short uh whatever changes happen in edmonton i think it's absolutely like listen i know that baker i've been hearing about baker's field for two years i i i have to be honest as somebody who's seen it with the marlies we saw them win

a memorial cup or sorry calder cup um and some of those players made it some of those players were good players johnson capitan dermot um who else is like there's a lot of players on the team that that on the leafs currently that that played for them they had a lot of each other's yeah a lot But from that championship team, everybody's like, whoa, watch out, the Leafs are this good in the NHL and their AHL team's winning championships. Let me tell you something. It's going to be two to three guys max

that really come in and make a huge difference. AHL team success tricks you. That could be enough for the Oilers. If they could get a couple 40, 50-point guys out of that team, great. If they could get one steady defenseman out of that team, great, awesome. They still have a goalie who was born in the Stone Age.

no offense Mike you're doing great so you can't rely on him for too many games and you got another goalie whose contract's expiring so hopefully you can figure that out and I I think that don't don't rest too much on the AHL guys we've seen it we did it we did it and they were good players but we did it and they the Leafs still lost so so just remember that like everyone's like oh next season next season no I like Connor McDavid's like 25 like when do you want to do this guys moment the moment i knew they weren't gonna they were gonna really struggle to have success is this summer when they decided having a right side that was two-thirds cc berry i'm looking at their defense right now that's what we saw that we saw that in toronto we know

what that looks like yeah like so as a leaf fan like that's why i feel uniquely qualified to comment on that like i'm not talking about matthews versus mcdavid or anything we literally saw this not work in spectacular fashion for 70 games plus a bubble. And you gave them more money

than the Leafs did to do it again? Get them a television! Get them every streaming package! Get another job! Are you kidding? right now it's nurse hey cc oh keith berry and then by the time you get to lagasin bouchard

you're like oh but like the top four is so bad it doesn't matter get a clue that's dude you put kale mccarr on the right side above cc berry it doesn't win you shit that's horrible no it doesn't No, it doesn't. I mean, it might be a few more. You might do better. I think you'd do better. Oh, you'd do better. He'd be dirt on the team in scoring, okay?

You'd do better, but, like, get a clue. Get a clue. There's no... Yeah. ZZ had a good time in Pittsburgh. Oh, good. He's working within a system that continually brings in players that are cast-offs and makes it work.

The Pittsburgh system is amazing. they bring in players you're like who the fuck is this guy and he wins the con smite he's like this you know he's got a thing he's got this jack johnson like magic about him where he'll play nine bad games and everyone just watches like this with their hands over their eyes and then they play one good one and they go see and they i watched every shift of that game and he was great for every one of them and then he's bad for the next nine and and everyone just talks about the look at it look at how good he is and i'm just like like here's the thing i'm sorry i'm not trying to be mean the pittsburgh system is so strong

that chris kunitz got to play at the olympics i mean like they booted somebody off that team for chris kunitz sorry guys but like and chris kunitz was a good player are you gonna put chris kunitz on it are you honestly gonna go back on the 2014 team team candidate and go chris kunitz for sure i'd have to know for sure no he's there because sydney crosby says he's there that's why he's there that's why he's there and and and like listen you don't have to like that but it's the case he's not the best winger at that position get out of here earlier in the year when everyone when I was like, Zach Hyman should make the Olympic team. It was the same thing.

Well, he's got intangibles. He brings these things. Zach Hyman was playing great, though. Hyman had better numbers. Way better. Way better than Gruden. Whatever they want. So to wrap it all up, it's a problem in Edmonton.

And again, I'm going to ask the question. Here I am, Toronto guy, stirring up all the shit. Tick tock, baby. When does Conor McDavid say this is hopeless? Because Oilers fans are already saying it. We're a little bit away from it. Okay. I talked about this last show.

As a Rogers employee working for the rights holder here, I saw a tweet that said, right now, January 16th, whatever it was, the Toronto Maple Leafs are the only Canadian team in a playoff spot. Oh. And I actually almost fell. No way, is that true? Yeah, I actually almost fell to the ground. oh what like the mathematical odds are you are you are you please no oh that's please mcdavid

stay there and win please that's so bad please you can say all the mean things about toronto and ontario you want just win god good god please win for the love of god i think vancouver's gonna make it the more i watch them i think they're gonna make it god i hope so i mean they're on their way up even in their losses they got fight yeah yeah they're they're looking great they're fun to watch if vancouver's back man they're they're bubble vancouver again it's great um i i want to move on a lot to get through but i want to move on a leaf so when we're on the leafs because um what we saw on saturday what's that canucks are one back of the oilers yeah sorry they're one point back of the oilers yeah yeah with three games in hand

the Oilers have, but what the fuck? Sorry. Anyway, seven years in for comic Connor McDavid, the seventh year, I think I think he's going to give it a little bit more time, but you know, like you said, Adam, it's probably ticking

drafted in 15. It's 2022. Ladies and gentlemen, he rebuilt his own PCL quicker than the Oilers rebuilt their bottom six. Learn something about hockey. Good God. Well, see, they tried to rebuild their bottom six last summer that's what they tried to do like these are the pieces that are available we gotta get duncan keith no we don't yes we do we need them at full price i'll pay anything

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And today, I'm still figuring it out. Somehow, things usually get worse before they get better. Apparently, that's how I roll. So bundle up and come along for the bumpy ride. Don't miss the new season of North of North starting September 8th on CBC Gem. Anyway, I want to talk about the Toronto Maple Leafs. So listen, if you're not directly in Leafs Nation,

I want to explain how it is right now. you've got leaf fans that have bled for a long time we saw this team be bad for a long long time all of us and we saw a little light at the end of the tunnel i remember that i remember that april 13th 2016 i think it was it was my birthday that's how i know this you know the toronto maple leafs get the first overall pick and i remember like in my in my living room audibly yelling i remember Steve, I think you did something for SportsNet that night. I wind sprinted around these studios. There's a behind

the scenes video. I got to find it somewhere, but Story, who we had on our podcast Story Sayers, she was recording my reaction and streaming it and there's a behind the scenes footage of me sprinting and her sprinting after me. Amazing. We got to find it. I ran by Damien Cox

and he's like, who the I'm going to re-block that guy on Twitter. Anyway, I think I think, I think, you know, you have to understand where this comes from. And then of course, obviously there've been some heartbreaking losses along the way. And at any time, anytime a team loses, there's reasons why they lose.

It's the, they're young capitals here. Now they're young again, Boston first time. Well, they're not so young, but the head coach is an optimizing play. Yeah. Right. Second Boston year. fire the head coach bubble season didn't show up against columbus lost their best defensive defenseman fair yeah like a miraculous comeback in game four but without muzzin they were not the same team well and with the bubble they were almost shut out three straight games they yeah or no sorry game three is the one where they they blew a three nothing lead

and lost they almost got shut out in game four they were three and a half minutes from getting shut out and then the most come back crazy the single most miraculous comeback in stanley cup playoff history like even ahead of maybe on par with the boss in game seven when the difference was that was game freaking seven and then in game five they got shut out yeah boo in an elimination game boo so then the next next year their captain takes a you know it's an unfortunate accident that happened with cory perry um but like if you compare the leafs and the habs rosters and i understand montreal made the this day like a finals and i understand that or score you know uh carrie price is the goalie i get it the leaf should the leaf should have shut it down in games

four five and six right they're currently worse than the arizona coyotes in the standings like That's the thing. They're the last place team. They're the last place team in the league, and that's coming six months after they're in the Stanley Cup final. This is a one-off to me, though. I will say that for Habs fans. Well, no, no, because Carey Price,

we're never sure if he's ever going to play it the same way again. And Shea Weber's never coming back. The lineups didn't compare to any team they play. They should have lost to Vegas. They should have lost to maybe Winnipeg. They should have probably lost to Winnipeg. They should have lost to the Leafs. They lost to the Lightning.

Like it was, I don't, I still don't know how they did it. And I'll be dumbfounded for the rest of my life. So there's, there's a reason I, Jesse, you nailed it. You so nailed it. And this is why I'm bringing this up against all odds. They lost every time. One of those games, seven should have gone their way. One of them, one of them should have gone their way.

Mathematically, Jake, Jake Gardner forgot to play hockey. That happened. Mathematically, there should have been a game where they got out, shot 40 to 10 and one to one. right flip a coin germany decides to turn around for some reason yes yes like i'm gonna do it i'm gonna press circle circle circle spin around let's go we don't shot them 13 nothing in overtime oh boohoo so this is so this is the problem right you got leaf fans on one side are like listen i need something to believe in it's really shitty in ontario right now and i want this team to be

good i desperately want them to win they are desperately want them to win and they did win on saturday yeah then there's the other group of leaf fans who are going yes they won but they should have won in the second period it should have been over and what they did was they let the st louis blues who are admittedly a very good team back in and the problem is with toronto maple leaves hockey you can never be sure of any lead no matter how wide and we've seen this for the better part of a decade now i think everybody can admit to that so what i want to ask steve is you did you did a video about this and i had it by the way i had a blast with that st louis game had an absolute fucking ball i loved watching it was a fun fun game i got to watch two periods

of it with sid sixero on the stream it was great why are people so mad at you uh i don't know i really i i mean did you did what did you say in the video i i went over the top for sure as i will do but i don't always do that i do that when i think the moment calls for it and i thought the moment called for it and i wasn't even lambasting the team like it wasn't there was very little criticism of the actual team it was just oh my god it's Always the Leafs. Always the Leafs. You can never have a moment's peace.

In a four-game span, everything I'm about to say is true. In a four-game span, they blew a 4-1 lead, a 3-1 lead, and another 3-1 lead. They also had a four-game road trip that included St. Louis, Vegas, and Colorado and came out of it with five out of eight points. We're going to leave out the fact that the only game they lost in regulation was to Arizona but like it's bizarre isn't it it's the Leafs the Leafs are the best team what we've come to expect the Leafs are the best team in the National Hockey League since November 1st and that's not good enough no but it's not well Jesse it's not exactly that's what I'm saying

oh okay sorry I thought you were trying to dig in me I'm like this is why I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and people are not like, do you just have the web browser on your TV and you stare at the standings for two and a half hours every Saturday? That's your night? Watch

the games, man! You don't see this happening? Again? Again. We even proved earlier this week, earlier of this road trip, when they blew the lead to Colorado, that they're the team who does

this the most! Statistically, they're the team that does it the most. No, I'm being mean. Okay. Well, I don't... I don't think... What do you want? They're great! Hooray! It's bizarre to me... You want me to take... Sorry, go ahead.

No, I think what people want is for me to take nothing from every game. It's 6-5, and it's great, because 6 is bigger than 5. The end. Every video is... It's a tick tock. It's just 15 seconds. And the final tenor, I'm just staring at the camera because I've already told the story of the game.

They won six, five, the end. Right. Because of everything Adam outlined, nothing you say is going to convince anybody on either side of the Leafs argument that they're right or wrong, because until the playoffs happen and they don't leave set up in the playoffs, all of this. if you're like, hey, the Leafs are good right now because they're the best team in National Hockey League, you're on that side, and you can't be proven wrong until the playoffs. And if you're on the, they need to play better because

they need to win in the playoffs, you can't be proven right until the playoffs happen. So it's this weird limbo, and it's a very difficult situation for you who has to comment on every single game kind of rationally and point out what the flaws and what's actually going good. It's teetering on religion.

Well, yeah, that's what you're dealing with, though. You know that. You're a Leafs fan. is do you believe or don't you believe some people are going to believe and others aren't going to and we're not going to know which one's right until we die except death death is the playoffs right yeah so so here's what i would say i think what we all need to do to bridge to bridge the gap here's what i want to say okay what i see from the toronto maple leafs is a very very good hockey team you got some great surprises here you got michael bunting is fucking awesome he's such a piece of shit i love it i love him he's a piece of shit michael bunting uh andre kasha was playing

great um simmons and spencer are doing what they need to do you know you could show me all the advanced stats that you want that's well they're not very adding a whole lot i don't fucking care we've had advanced stats darlings in those positions and they've done diddly squat so i'm totally fine with them doing what they do morgan riley looks good rasmus sandin looks elite um Muzzin's clearly playing hurt. Justin Hall needs to find out who he is again. Loved seeing Lilligren get a goal. Here's what I saw Saturday night, okay?

Here's my balanced take. I saw vintage Mitch Marner and vintage Austin Matthews. Mitch Marner hadn't played since December 2nd and came out there and in the first period, to me, was the best player on the ice. He was stealing pucks. He's creating turnovers. He's doing everything that Mitch Marner does

and he never gets enough credit for this. Everyone's like, he's a great playmaker. He's a great playmaker. What I love about Mitch Marner's game is his takeaways in the neutral zone and his takeaways in the offensive zone. Just when the team thinks that they're about to break the puck out

and everybody's, he's in there like a little mosquito, literally taking it away. And I say, he's probably as tall as I am, but for some reason, Mitch Marder, we have him pegged as small. I will die on the hill that he is six feet tall. There you go.

I've met him six feet tall. So my thinking in all this is, yeah, okay, so that was all good, but let's look at some of the goals against. And that was two of them, at least were the Matthews line. and matthews has been very very good defensively saturday night was tough was really fucking tough for that ryan o'reilly sunned him hard on the first goal yeah and and that's that is going to

happen ryan o'reilly's fucking awesome and uh that that is going to happen the thing with the leafs this year part of why they're so great yes they've got elite scoring yes their defense seems to be much better than it has in years the last couple years have been really good there they're they're riding a vesna candidate goalie guys they are jack campbell's but what's that which is great hooray great but jack campbell can't be almost he's like a millimeter away from less than two goals a game he can't do that every night no so at a certain point the structure of this team and the best line on it have got to play some defense if jack's not having the best night, and I didn't think the goals were that egregious

that were scored on them, honestly. But they happened because of defensive strategy breakdown. They did. The stupid thing about that is that you could do that 16 times in two months and win the Stanley Cup. Totally. 100%. Jack Hamill could stand on his head 16 times

and all of a sudden you have a Stanley Cup. Jonathan Quick with the LA Kings, and that was a great Kings team, but Jonathan Quick was the guy. He was unbeatable. Unbeatable. Simply a wall. And here's what I want to say about the Leafs. Here's what they are okay they're very exciting they're they're quite erratic period to period erratic if they had a good first period you can bet that they're going to come out slow the next five minutes of

the second period hey you can you can count on it count on it they get scored on in the first four minutes of each period in that game well there you go but but it was faster each period they do have this bit of je ne sais quoi about them they've got a little bit of magic a little bit the it seems to be growing and i'm excited about it because the last two years have been depressing as hell oh you're talking about the opposite this team is to me this team's a contender it's just a matter of can they pull four games in a row at 60 minutes a piece together for four straight rounds haven't seen that yet but i know they're capable you know that they're capable they They can do this?

They can totally win the Yips. They've clearly got the Yips. How many games have they come out and shown they're the better team? Most games, they're the better team. And then... Like 99% of the games. It's the Yips. And what do you do about the Yips?

What do you do? What they say with John Lester, I remember I read a book on the Cubs winning their 16 world series he got the yips in boston to throw throwing to first base so the so he literally as a pitcher if he picked up a grounder he couldn't throw it to first base so the cubs signed him to like a five-year deal and had to work a strategy around that because they weren't gonna try to make him throw to first ever and that's what that's what they did it's kind of crazy that when you read it like theo epstein was like a fucking genius he's like well we just signed this all-star pitcher who if it's a ground ball to the pitcher um it's going to be

uh it's going to be a definite on base there that's crazy they're the leafs offensive zone defense if that makes sense is clearly better than in years past teams have a nightmare time trying to clear the zone on the leafs and that's i think that's how they won the game uh their neutral zone defense clearly better than in years past uh kneelander is one of the best first half of the neutral zone defenders in the league like he's a thief he's a mark stone level thief in that one section of the ice uh it's harder to gain the zone in the back half of the neutral zone the leafs have a stronger stand up at the blue line but what the blues figured out in that game and what the Habs aggressively figured out

in games five, six, and seven is if you crash with enough force to go, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, and they just collapse towards the net in a way that is unbelievably unhelpful, and it's just going to eventually go in because they're going to get enough wax at it because you're all standing in the same spot like children, and it's going to go in.

they're not strong enough in front of the net when that happens see i i agree i agree but i think them winning in st louis told me a lot that they were able to overcome it yeah i think that was a big one i think that's a big big win more than more than i think more than especially that last minute that last minute was nail biting edge your seat i was screaming at my natalie and i were screaming at the TV. You know how I know the Leafs know? The Leafs feel exactly how I do. Morgan Riley

throws the puck over the glass with six seconds left. Sheldon Keith is laughing on the bench. He's laughing that his top defenseman almost fucked the game up. Because it's the Yips! And Morgan Riley, the way he looks up,

no one's been there longer. No one. They drafted him in 2012. Coming up on 10 years. And he's just like, oh, my God, it's me. It's, you know, if this was going to go sideways, it was going to be one guy. And fuck, it might be me tonight. But they did it.

But they did it. But they did it. There have been how many games of the Leafs won in recent memory where they've looked mad heading off the ice? Right. You know what I mean? it's so clearly where's paul mclean when you need him i don't think he's with the team anymore and he freaking should be because he got ghosts out of the couch and ghosts in the car he was right he was right he was right all right boys let's have a good nope check your mouth guard

there might be demons in there all right before you put your gloves on no there might be demons in the gloves as here's your stick nope tape a different one because there's demons in that stick it's so clearly like listen they're not a perfect team they do lack certain things every no team is perfect maybe tampa but no team is perfect in the nhl avalanche fans will tell you they're not perfect that monstrosity of a team that just seems to be steamrolling everybody they're not perfect but the leafs the leafs imperfectness is something that no other team can describe no other team can relate to not in this sport not in hockey so not a chance so this is that but this is it right and i think um first off i don't think uh steve's intention is ever to be quote

unquote mean to the leafs i don't think that's the i don't think that's the point of lfr am i going to be mean today or not yeah i think i think what it is is that sometimes people are going to react to what uh we don't want to hear and i put we in there because i want the leafs to win the stanley cup and i want them to be a fucking shoe in in january even though that's that's unrealistic yeah that's completely unrealistic but that's what i want i want them to i want to be perfect now and i want to be perfect for the next 80 games or whatever it takes them to get there the reality is this team is gonna is is going to get your heart up so i think we sit back we accept what they are there is a little bit of magic with this team there really

is and enjoy this enjoy this they are gonna they are gonna sometimes in the second period make you want to vomit a little bit uh and and let in a bunch of goals but i think at the same time like i don't know man i believe in this squad more than i believe in the 2020 or the 2021 squad they're better they are better and they lost look at what they lost like like you run down the names i mentioned the murray cappin and johansson uh sorry sorry no johansson johnson um uh who else you i mean they lost who what's that trevor moore trevor trevor moore the ghost of nick felino He's an NHL player. Well, I know, but let's talk about some of the significant players.

Yeah, Hyman is gone. Hyman's gone and they look better. Bogosian. Bogosian's gone. There's something about this team where I'm like, this team's really, really good. What's that? Freddie.

And where I'm not concerned. You sort of forget about that one. Yeah. Well, he wasn't great last year. He also wasn't the starter in the Montreal series. That's true. Where I'm not concerned is this. If it's the Yips, Steve, the Yips are what?

what are the yips it's literally just you suddenly it's in your head it's you but what is it what is it it's a you become afraid of the thing you're good at fear there you go fear it's fear what do these guys have to fear anymore really what do they have to fear well do it again no no listen you go okay you go to game seven again you've already lost game seven you know what that feels like, you know that the sun comes up the next day. Even if they miss the playoffs, it's like, well, it's better than losing a game seven, isn't it? Yeah, it sure is. Let's go. This time

there's consequences. That's what they said last year. Listen, there's no fear. There should be no fear on this team. I think I'm right. Done. They've experienced, guys, they've experienced this shit. They've been through this. Consequences for who? For who? Somebody. Not for them. Coach.

Coach and GM. Players? Players? Fart. Maybe. Fart. No. you don't think we reopen the trade one of the big guys conversation I don't think so one maybe one of them they're not having that conversation with Austin Matthews

they're not having that conversation with Morgan Riley I know the Ips are real but what I would say is they've experienced the depths of heartbreak before what I'm saying is they've already and they got up and they trained and they got back on the ice they're gonna be fine

they're gonna be fine and I think all that shit is finally gonna be like okay well like what's the worst i can do is go back to that and and then try again so why don't we just win and i think you're gonna win here's the i think they're minimum second round team this year that's what i saw on saturday night god i hope so here's the era that we're in brendan shanahan came in with the young kids in 2016 17 and he tried to erase the demons yes and what he discovered is putting up a bunch of cloves of garlic and changing the banners didn't do it it didn't work changing the jerseys didn't work it worked for the first 82 games and then the demon said guess what it's halloween in the spring

and Sheldon Keefe laughing when Morgan Riley put the puck over the glass to me that wasn't him that wasn't what the Leafs have been doing which is trying to change the narrative of what the Leafs are to me that's embracing the narrative of what the Leafs are genuinely finding humor in your team almost bottling it that is the sort of thing they need because they already tried the toughen up and just barrel through it approach. It didn't work. I need the William Wallace speech

where he talks about shooting fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse. We need a little bit of levity here. And that, to me, was the most encouraging part of the game. Sheldon Keefe laughing and then them ultimately holding the fort. Yep. Because they can.

Because they can do it. Because they can. Start to believe we can do it. geez the blues are good but they were missing like a big chunk of what makes them good totally that's your win and they won it hey um i want to quickly mention before we go to a press conference here uh john klingberg so it came out that the the extension talks with dallas had fallen apart i think you want something like in the neighborhood of like eight million bucks they don't want to do that um so he's gonna get traded what shocked me about this because like who knows

where the hell he's going to go it's probably vegas because they can they somehow always find a way um vegas or tampa really um what i would shock me about the john klingberg thing and maybe it's because i'm not i'm too far away from the painting to see it um is how quickly they were like okay we're trading him now like they broke off discussions and usually in these in these kinds of conversations in the nhl what happens is both sides get mad one side says we're gonna to get traded. The other side goes, yeah, OK, we won't miss you. And then they talk and they talk and they talk and they talk and they talk as well as try to work out a trade. A trade can't be worked out. So they so then they resign and it's all fine. What I'm curious about with the John

Klingberg situation, and he was quite frank about it and the Dow stars have been quite frank about it. To me, sometimes negotiations, I mean, anybody, your negotiations can turn sour. I want to know what the hell happened. Because really, at the end of the day, we're talking about a very, very good player for them who generates offense on a team that struggles to do so. He's got 17 assists in 29 games. This guy's a very important piece of the Dallas Stars. What happened in the negotiations?

To me, does that not feel personal to you? Yeah. And if you listen to 32 Thoughts, you come away thinking it's absolutely personal. He's 29 years old. He was drafted in 2010. He's been with the Stars organization the entire time. The entire time. He is a star.

Like, it's going to be weird seeing him in somebody else's jersey. Yeah. But I think he did everything he could for the organization. And it was time for his payday. And, dude, oh, my God, I'm just looking at this. He had 21 points in 26 games in the bubble and was never talked about because Miro Haskinen had 35. You know what I mean?

So I think there's probably some disrespect felt there. And I think you're going to see a lot of this. or i i don't think it's surprising to see this sort of thing with a player looking for their big payday because the collective bargaining agreement is designed in a way to screw players like john klingberg this is supposed to be his big payday but they make you wait to get your big payday until giving you a big payday is a bad idea he's probably looking for eight years but now you're giving a 29 year old eight years eight years it's the same thing people were saying about morgan riley you lock him up to eight years eight million he's gonna be 37 when

that thing's done that's a problem so the cba is designed in a way and because it's a bad idea you're not gonna do it right right the c it's designed to keep salaries down so if you're klingberg you're probably like all right i was a soldier for you but i know you're gonna do right by me and they're not doing it with klingberg i likened it to anybody who's worked at a company for like five years and you're like okay i deserve a raise now like it's the time to bump up my salary i've been working at this salary for the five years that i've been here and i've been a good entry-level employee and now i'm moving up and i need a bump in my salary just for my life And the employee is like, no, we're not going to do that because we don't want to pay you.

And you're like, OK, well, I'm out like I can go. There's 31 other National Hockey League teams. There's other jobs out there. I can go find somewhere else to get me a paycheck. This dude makes four point two five. That's crazy. What a great, holy shitting deal for the Dallas Star. Oh, my God.

It was was it eight years? Seven years. A seven year old? Like he's owed back pay on that just for the discount that he's been taking all these years. Oh, oh my good Lord. And like, listen, I know a lot of you are like, well, I'll take that money.

Yeah, but you don't play hockey as well as John Klingberg. Yeah, you're not. I got news for you. I'll take that. If you do anything as well as John Klingberg plays hockey, then you'd be making that kind of money. Me too, by the way. Even if you were that good, you shoot left.

Sit down. sit down he shoots right he's better than you good point good point he's more rare than you his skill set yeah it's i can i can totally understand and again you know you look at society and klingberg is doing what a lot of people are doing with minimum wage chops but uh people are uh more willing than they have been in decades to say fuck you i'm out this is what i'm worth and if you're not willing to pay me what i'm worth i'm friggin leaving and companies have been saying all right yeah you go ahead and try that but they've been caught off guard by the fact that people are actually doing it yeah and klingberg it sounds like at

The first sign of disrespect said, get me the fuck out of here. And I don't know. It's nothing against the Dallas Stars, but I kind of respect it. I respect it, too. I like it. I like it a lot. I like it a lot. I like that organization.

I like what that team does. They play like them. You know what I mean? Generally speaking, the good teams play like them year in and year out. But this is a problem for them. and I know they have playoff aspirations and it's going to be difficult to make it if you trade this guy.

Man, I don't know. It just doesn't feel right to me. Something weird. Let's do the press conference. Real quick, we were talking about the Oilers goalie situation. Stuart Skinner just got placed on COVID protocol Oh boy

Dude when it rains it pours Earlier as well we were talking about How you were watching the draft Lottery and you ran around Steve You might not remember but you were live streaming The draft lottery with Jeff Merrick And Luke Fox and yourself On Sportsnet and the video

Is on YouTube you can go look it up and it features You running around so we don't need to Dig up this video It was live streamed and you can go watch it I didn't know that made the final video. I've made a lot. Maple Leafs winning the first pick.

The second result is Steve and Jeff Merrick and Luke Fox watching the first pick happen. That was Jeff Merrick wanted... Oh, God. What was it? Winnipeg? Jeff Merrick wanted Winnipeg to win because

he wanted to make the t-shirt You Take Our Team, We Take Your Children. What? because because arizona born austin matthews would then be playing for the winnipeg jets okay in arizona took the winnipeg jets so he wanted the t-shirt you take our team we take your children yeah oh my god that's funny that's good uh first question was about uh john klimberg actually and uh costa on our discord if you're not a member of our discord go to sdpn.ca and join right now do the leafs go for chikrin or clingberg i'm just not sure clingberg is the

sort of player they need they don't they got sandin and riley i don't think they need clingberg yeah like if you need someone on your power play you 100 go get him he's tall 6'3 but i mean the leafs already have a couple guys on the back end who are kind of big for nothing so you know he's a great player um i mean he'd make the team better right but uh he's not necessarily the type of guy they need. And Chikrin I don't see quite as a match either.

They need a top four. It'd be great if a top four right-handed D who plays like Muzzin was available. Plays like healthy Muzzin. And I mean I'm not going to punish him for offense. It's just you need

to be known for defense too. Next question. This is from Aaron. Just wondering if you guys are excited for the pga tour netflix documentary it's supposed to be similar to the f1 one i can't wait for people to get into the sport and golf uh the sport of golf and see the players personalities so if you didn't see netflix has started following around uh golf golfers in the pga tour and they have permission to film at all four majors and a whole bunch of other tournaments So they are coming out with their own version of drive to survive for the

PGA tour. It's going to be released down, I guess at the end of this season in the fall, but they've started filming and they have permission for all the grand slams. So it's going to be, it's gonna be fun. Are you guys excited?

I'm excited for their catchy name. What are they going to call it? Can't call it swing, swing to survive past the par part, par the bar. I don't know. Par for the course. Yeah.

Hey, i i am excited because golf does have some great personalities right now and i think the over reliance on tiger woods for the last 20 years for anything golf related is distracting from the rivalries and there's some like honestly some like great personalities who don't like the typical golf shit which is very like you have to wear these shoes and you must wear this pants and you let you know what i mean they don't they don't they don't work that way so i i kind of like it i love the idea um i don't know if you're gonna get steve into golf but i'm into it no i it makes sense for me to learn to golf because you twos both seem to like it

and also my scottish in-laws really really like it and i don't know i think it i think it'd be a lot more fun if i was any good it's all the people that you play with though like if you play with people that take golf too seriously the reason i stopped golfing regularly is i watched um a family friend wrap a golf club around a tree and i was like okay i'm like uh i'm not gonna do that like i just don't enjoy that like if you're if you're out there and you're like fuck fit fucking believe i'm kind of brown i'm having i'm like i don't want to do this that's why i stopped playing softball people are like what the fuck was that why did you throw the friends like softball we played one softball

game Jesse we killed it that fucking team we played a few of those people took softball a little too serious we had a great team Jesse and I were fucking murderers row man we killed it it was great three and four in the batting order it was a good time salty

snacks golf is the is the best hangout activity in the world I think you know if it's just you and three other people you really enjoy and i don't know if you have a couple spicy pops while you're driving the carts around the course like you don't even need to keep score it's just a great time walking around with your friends like yeah i hope you guys watch this and get into golf and it's a good time i don't know if i'll get into

watching it because i watch too many sports but um i definitely watch the series you know i'm talking about the series yeah but like i would love to take up golf again once we have like one of these days i'd like to have a free moment to do anything other than work as soon as that happens um i'm i want to golf i want to golf with you guys too because it'd be fun so i'd really like that you know totally totally all right uh last thing that i need to bring up is the humble broncos and the melfort mustangs did you see their game that happened on friday did not no so on friday the uh mustangs and the broncos played and there was a controversy in the game because

a player was in the box for an extra goal. So the Broncos, the Mustangs took a penalty. They had a player in the box. And then when a goal was scored, the referees forgot to bring him out of the box and nobody noticed.

And another goal was scored and the Broncos ended up winning the game. Crazy, right? Why didn't he tap the glass? Like, hey, nobody noticed. He couldn't let himself out. I don't know. I don't know how the refs incorrectly kept Melfort player in a penalty box and Humboldt

tied it and then won an OT so that was around like nine minutes left in the game Melfort goes to the league they protest the game the league says you win your protest what

so what does it mean happens next they have to throw the game they have to just erase it right you can't give the win to another team Saturday Saturday, they play the last nine minutes and 42 seconds of the game. No way. I love this.

That's so great. So Melfort and Humboldt were set to play again on Saturday. That's how the league works. You play back to back games in junior all the time. So before they start their game on Saturday, they play nine minutes and 42 seconds of Friday night's game. So Friday night from nine minutes and 40 seconds on, it's a race from the history books. They restart with the player out of the box in the correct score that it should have been.

The goals that Humboldt scored after that don't count. Melfort goes on to win that game. Oh, you got to televise that. I want to watch that. Oh yeah. Because imagine the team that won the first one wins this one. And they go,

what I'm saying is that this is a happened last Saturday. Oh, they replayed it. They replayed it on Saturday. Oh, they did. It's already done. That's that's what I'm.

Yeah. I'm telling you what happened on Saturday. Oh, So what happened? They replayed the game. Melfort players in the box. They take him out of the box. Melfort goes on to score a couple goals,

and they win the game in overtime. Wow. So they, instead of having that loss, they win the game last Saturday. Man, I love that. That's the way it should be. That's the way it should be. One of the things most under-talked about

just rigged screwings in recent hockey memory for me was the Marlies against the Norfolk Admirals 2012 Calder Cup Final. They get scored on. The puck takes a weird bounce off the glass, and Norfolk takes advantage, and they score. There's a problem. Weird bounce off the glass or not, Norfolk was offside! They were offside!

But it's okay. The way they rectified the situation was after the game, The league announced that was offside, and we're sorry. What? Replay overtime. It's the final. Nope. We're sorry.

We're very, very sorry. So you think what happened here is the correct call? You bring the teams back, and you replay the game? Yeah. Stop fucking up. It's an unprecedented decision. That's why I thought it was so crazy, because I don't think I've ever seen a team

come back and play a hockey game after just an officiating error. I love that. And officiating errors are going to happen. We're human beings. It happens. What we shouldn't do is encourage mediocrity, which is what we're currently doing

with our current official core. It should be the best. Oh, if you fuck up like that, you're on probation. You fuck up like that again. You know, like I just, I don't get it. I don't get it at all. It's crazy.

It's crazy, crazy, crazy. We should be, you know, we make these players work their whole lives. And, you know, I know it's tough to be an NHL official. I'm not saying it's not, it's very, very, very difficult, but you should have to be at that high standard your entire career. What about the time an umpire screwed up a perfect game for a pitcher said that they screwed up a perfect game for the pitcher appealed to the league.

Hey, me, the umpire who umpired that game, I screwed up. So, undo that. And baseball said no. Well, it's baseball. They're idiots. It's a perfect game. No, it's not. It's a perfect game.

Ken Rosenthal is one of the best voices in the MLB. He worked for the MLB network. He criticized Rob Manfred, and he was suspended. And then they just let him go. Guys on ESPN, he's a writer for The Athletic. He's the best. And the league's like, we don't care. We don't need the best on our TV.

We need somebody who just falls in line for fucking crazy. For as much as I hate Gary Bettman, I think I hate Rob Manfred more. Yeah. Just because of how flippant he is with the the sport that he's in charge of. Like he one time he called the World Series trophy a hunk of metal. Yeah. Like, do you remember that it was in the middle of the pandemic when they're trying to hand out the World Series? And he's like, oh, you know, I don't know if we hand out this hunk of metal.

bro that's that's the trophy for your whole sport that's the whole reason anybody plays that's the point that is the point granted it's a genuinely terrible trophy but they've been playing their whole life yeah it's why it's a fragile yeah so he's wrong it's several dozen hunks of metal like what a piece of crap but it's the trophy they've been competing for for their entire lives yep yeah yeah boy that's uh all of them that's a that's a stiff competition jesse all right well listen i think we'll leave it at that so we're gonna see you on wednesday um and friday this week very excited no i don't know yet you don't i thought wednesday was announced i think i think it might be but i just i don't know oh i'm gonna wait here don't worry

we'll hear i haven't heard yet so i'm i'm thinking confirmation today i'm gonna put chains on my tires and i'm gonna fight you i know fair enough if you can get to me you can fight me i'll let you have the first punch and i'll make sure that my neighbor snow it puts all the snow in my walkway so you can't walk up oh no it's you and me versus your neighbor okay all right well listen thanks so much for listening we will see you wednesday and then friday and don't forget to check out the cj show with julian mckenzie because they do a great job too and they put out an out an episode every monday and it's amazing and they talk about the oiler's day what else jesse what else they talk about?

All-star stuff. They had some really good off the top of the show on the all-star snubs because the all-star game isn't really a showcase of the best players. It's just kind of these guys. They're on a heater. Their show's been really good

the last few years. Every show's great. Yeah, but they're especially great. We love you. We'll see you next time. the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete