The Steve Dangle Podcast - Stan | July 29, 2024

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

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hey hey you know what i love about the end of july you know what i love is it rubbing your nipples like you're just i don't know what you're talking about i don't know what you're talking about i don't know what you're talking about by the way uh the thing i love the most about the end of july is that we get back to school commercials those are my favorite commercials i actually don't love those at all i love them they're my favorite what are you watching that as commercials to what lots of youtube actually actually no i have premium so i don't i don't i do the youtube premium thing it's so much better people laugh at you like you're a dork dude i love it i watch so much youtube that it makes sense to have premium honestly that's the best

subscription i have uh besides sdpn i want to announce though a back to school event but it's not actually it's round two of the steve dangle podcast at the course and clubhouse in saint catherine's ontario we were there last year sold over 200 seats which is amazing uh remember saint catherine's hub for indoor golf they have five hd golf simulators that feature 40 real golf courses uh and they obviously have a full kitchen and bar and the food's amazing really good remember there were frog legs on the menu like like actual legit this is crazy so excited uh it is going to be on the 21st of september uh which is going to be a blast to be at and uh obviously we had an amazing time last year but this is round two at the course and clubhouse we're also excited to

welcome our friends from odr hockey heroes back this game has been in development for a while and you know independent games take a long long time you could try the game out there you can play as me steve or jesse in the game which i believe is pretty neat yep hell yeah um and and jesse are you open to doing another longest drive competition against members of the sdp family yeah so the course in clubhouse if you're not aware it's a golf simulation bar it's it's fantastic they have so many different bays and last year i set the longest drive and then all night somebody tried to beat it and it came down until like the last like 20 minutes we were there well i think two people finally beat it one guy beat it and then another guy beat his record and

came i thought i was gonna have it all night and then i didn't but this year i'll do it again now should you have the ability to reach out like once you've hit your longest drive should you have the ability to go back and if somebody beats you try no no i think that's the the fun is that you set your score and then that's it okay jesse you're a competitive guy what was the score i don't remember shut up i honestly i honestly couldn't man i would remember that forever if i had a drive no i remember i would tell people i put it on i put it on a shirt like gym stats i i brought my own clubs too so i got to use my own driver which was fantastic because drew and i played around in the niagara region beforehand before yeah because the show was on it was on the saturday and like

all day we're just like okay we got to drive down to niagara let's go early so we avoid the traffic uh you remember that traffic it was brutal it was awful it was an awful saturday live west of young street no it was almost saturday until the event right well it's just the traffic traffic sucks yeah traffic but um so we went down early and we played the city course and apparently we like really lucked out into a good place a good course and yeah i got to bring my own driver and set that score and then somebody beat it dang nabbit so well i will set a new one that hopefully no one beats it. I hope you guys do that again, and I hope you're ready to try to beat Jesse. And you know what? We'll put

together some prizes for people there. We've got a bunch of stuff that we've been luckily gifted that we should give away. There's going to be a 50-50 draw the night of, and if you want to go, the link is in the description of this podcast that you're listening or watching to right now.

Tickets are $20, and there are 200 seats available. I'm pretty excited about this. It was lots of fun, a great way to kick off the air now uh it's so funny we recorded most of our shows at the beginning of last week and a lot happened at the end of it including the start of the olympics and other fun things but the thing that we didn't get to cover which obviously had to break on the one day we were not recording a show was edmonton hiring uh former blackhawks general manager stan bowman now the reason that this is

controversial if it's not already obvious to you i should give some context here is that stan was one of the guys along with Joel Quinville who was banned from hockey after the Kyle Beach allegations came out now I say allegations these have been proven uh they happened um but once the Kyle Beach case broke um the NHL had an investigation Jenner and Block had an investigation which is a an Illinois law firm uh and it found that management were in uh were this was poorly handled in direct violation of their own uh hr policies bingo and and this comes down to a meeting as we understand it between uh president of the club john mcdonough uh stan bowman joel quinville and i believe there was another person al mckissick al mckissick and kevin shovel day

off i think might have been in there right so there were certain people that were um basically what happened was john mcdonough said i'll handle this and didn't and the reality is that if you have a policy in place and by the way this just goes for human experience if this happens you report it end of story it's over right end of story all five guys could report it separately still then it's reported uh but that is not how the hawks handled it now uh there was a lot of outrage uh about this signing or about this this hiring we knew it was going to happen for a long long time we knew yeah it was rumored um and um you know joel quinnville is also by the way eligible to work in the nhl again um so i don't think it'll be long before somebody hires him uh

it i think probably by december when the first coach is fired joel quinnville is probably back in i'm not totally sure okay well long story short there's a couple of things that are different with stan than they are perhaps with joel specifically that sheldon kennedy who is the original hockey player nhl player who came out and said um i was abused sexually which was a huge deal in the 90s i remember i had a sheldon kennedy's hockey card and didn't even mention that um sheldon kennedy a very brave person uh a trailblazer unfortunately in this area you know i guess stan you know he stood up there with stan bowman and said this guy has done a lot of work And I guess there was a conversation with Kyle Beach. There were not conversations with the other person who is in litigation right now, Black Ace 2, and the families, the young men who've had their lives changed since these events.

But the long story short is there is so much more to this than just the press conference. Wanted to get it out there. Where do you guys want to take it? Oh, hard to know. I mean, there's, there's, um, should we go with what we might've forgotten? Sure. So what I, what I don't think people understand because, uh, I believe it was mentioned, uh, Kyle Beach, uh, and Stan Bowman have spoken since, uh, the incident, um, incidents, um, regarding the Chicago Blackhawks and Sheldon Kennedy is up there and Bowman's done the work. And a lot of people are like, listen, if there's a way you're going to do it, this is the way you

do it. Um, you speak to Kyle Beach, you work with an organization like Sheldon Kennedy's. Um, if someone is going to be afforded a second chance, this is how you get it. The problem is this story is so deep. There's so many different parts of it. And the story broke over such a long period of time that a lot of people don't fully understand it. And sometimes I have to remind myself, like, you know, this isn't everyone's life. You know, I, my living is I get to sit down and read about this and if anyone interrupts me reading about it i go excuse me i'm working you know what i mean uh not everyone gets that luxury you come home from a long day of work you're you're super dad you're super mom you're doing homework you're doing whatever so let me

remind you and i'll go a little bit through a thread that i posted um there's a video on sports nets youtube channel where um the wurtz is rocky and danny rocky is no longer with us um uh go through they introduced the jenner and and block reporter representative from uh jenner and block reed sharr i think was his name reads the entire report over 17 minutes i think it's important to watch the whole video um and i remember one of the things that stood out to me at the time and it's very interesting how things have played out since is how complimentary they were at that time on that exact day of Stan Bowman because the day that report was released he resigned he stayed on as the Blackhawks general manager um he announced

their pick at the draft several months before and he brought members of women's hockey up onto the stage so and that went sort of uh um under the radar um because the 31st pick that year was logan mayu and everyone was losing their mind about that and gary bettman i know for a fact was extraordinarily upset about that and then the very next pick the last pick of that round the last pick of the night because it's the first round of the draft uh stan bowman comes up with you know all these women's hockey players as a sign of like listen that is a good thing to do but when you try to use it as like a shield to to protect him like here's a bunch of i'm standing much next to a bunch of women i'm good yeah i remember us discussing at the time now that here

you bring it up like it was it was gross well and like we work on this show together and even you're like oh yeah oh 100 and it's funny it's funny to me hearing you say oh yeah because i went back and i looked at our reaction at the time and that was the part you were like most fired up about you're like i can't believe he did that a year later i completely forgot it happened until you just said it exactly um so but i remember at the time the blackhawks were very complimentary of the way stan bowman conducted himself on his way out so this is before he's done any work on the road to redemption or, or whatever you want to call it. Um, also in my, uh, thread, I posted Kyle beaches interview with Rick Westhead, um, where, you know, it's, it's over

20 minutes and it's agonizing, but I think it's important. Again, there's a lot of people with really strong feelings about this. And, um, you know, what, what's, what's that saying? Um, people won't always necessarily remember what you said but they'll remember how you made them feel people remember being angry about this um but they don't necessarily remember all the details right they can't be remembered for that yeah human beings they remember how they felt about that and kyle beach goes through a lot of things with rec westhead what a lot of people forget and again you can be forgiven but it is extraordinarily important to this story is rick westhead does another interview because brad aldrich was not the the video coach for the chicago blackhawks was not

imprisoned for what he did to kyle beach if i'm not mistaken i don't think he was ever actually charged with a crime um with regard to anything he actually did with the chicago blackhawks What happened was after he left the Blackhawks, after he was given the opportunity to resign from the Chicago Blackhawks without an investigation, he went to a high school in Michigan and he sexually assaulted a minor. um rick westhead did an agonizing interview with the mother of the uh individual who was assaulted um who's now an adult that's that's a grown man trying to get through grown man life and she details the many many struggles he's facing as a result of what happened to him at the hands of brad aldrich and many would argue at the negligence of the chicago blackhawks if they had dealt with this properly at the time maybe maybe his abuse ends there maybe that's

where it ends um i i tweeted this uh often forgotten in all this is the young blackhawks intern um that aldrich made an unwanted sexual advance toward as highlighted in this article it's from sports um sports illustrated i'll read it to you about two weeks later on may 23rd 2010 right after chicago advanced to the stanley cup final general manager stan bowman top hockey executive al mckissick team president john mcdonough executive vice president jay blunk and assistant GM Kevin Shevelday off met with coach Joel Quindle and mental skills coach Jim Gary to discuss the allegations that were made towards Brad Aldridge by Kyle Beach and I believe by another Blackhawks player former federal prosecutor Reed Scharr who led the investigation

said accounts of the meeting vary significantly but there was no evidence that anything was done about the accusations before mcdonough contacted the team's director of human resources on june 14th a delay that violated the franchise's sexual harassment policy according to char during those three weeks aldrich continued to work for and travel with the team char said aldrich also made unwanted sexual uh an unwanted sexual advance towards a 22 year old black hawk intern. And I said all that, um, to be like, listen, there's all these things that, you know, we've maybe forgotten over time. And then, uh, I realized, or someone pointed out that I had actually forgotten another aspect, uh, of that. Um, I said, case in point, I forgot to add to

this thread that a second black Hawks player, a lot of people don't know this. Um, a second blackhawks player filed a lawsuit in november less than a year ago this past january the blackhawks asked the court to dismiss the lawsuit and i linked to a rick westhead article dealing um going through the details there this is an extraordinarily um messy uh many layered and difficult thing to understand and it all leads back to the black hawks failure but this is not something the black hawks have paid for they're still in legal proceedings um in part due to their um uh lack of action there was a question at stan bowman's press conference that didn't get nearly enough press um but again it's july um rick west had treated

tweeted this out new oilers gm stan bowman said he has built a positive relationship with kyle beach over the past year good good are we all in agreement that's good good but rick will not lose sight of kyle beach isn't the only person involved here bowman was asked today if he has contacted John Doe to the high school player sexually assaulted by Brad Aldrich after he left the Blackhawks organization in 2010. Bowman didn't answer directly. He said anyone negatively impacted. I feel for them and I certainly wish they don't go through it. John Doe to doesn't have the freedom to share. This is now Rick speaking. John Doe to doesn't have the freedom to share his perspective and story publicly unless and until the blackhawks release him

from a non-disclosure agreement he had to sign when the nhl team settled his lawsuit and then he linked to again the the interview with um uh john dotu's mother the nda that that young man had to sign is monstrous monstrous and it's one of the most shameful struggling to find the words like without just flying off the handle it's one of the most monstrous aspects of uh the blackhawks crimes uh frankly the the fact that we will um the the fact that that person is basically here's your money and let's just sweep this under the rug forever so all that to say does Stan Bowman deserve another opportunity I think a lot of people were pretty reasonable in their takes a lot of people were just like yes point blank

he's done the work great a lot of people were like no there's nothing he could ever do get away from hockey forever go away then a lot of people were like okay fair enough he's done the work he's obviously remorseful why gm did he have to start at gm there's only 32 of these jobs in the world and it had to start at gm he couldn't have done this for this team or this for the he couldn't have been special advisor couldn't have been assistant gm assistant to the gm he couldn't have been i i i want to ask this too because i think um obviously you as you mentioned there are two very polarized sides on this for me um if it's possible for anybody take take the the the edmonton oilers

game away from winning the cup okay vibes are good um you then bring in a general manager who has won cups but a general manager who was given a lamborghini with the engine running when he stepped in let's be honest are you talking about edmonton or chicago i'm talking about chicago that dude is unreal at inheriting teams that are a hair away from a stanley he walked he walked into like i said a lamborghini with the engine running yeah yeah and um and then proceeded to dismantle the team in an effort to get better and did a very poor job of it and you know what trade i'm going to mention there are a bunch of others too and you know sod for panarin is the most egregious but there are bad contracts everywhere there are bad bad decisions listening

too much to the players etc etc etc so just the hockey part of it leaving this the this this this i don't want to call it a scandal because it's not a scandal scandal to me is like oh you were caught sleeping with somebody you shouldn't have been this is a tragedy leaving the tragedy aside i don't see how this person really does make the oilers better and and i and that's that's my question is okay so fine you believe the for whatever we think the edmonton oilers believe that stan bowman's done the effort enough that they believe that having him in their organization will be a positive right they're going to spend millions of dollars they're going to bring this guy in and he's going to be the guy ostensibly who is tasked with getting leon and connor a

stanley cup maybe two my my question is the last few years of his run were not good oh they're horrible it's it's similar to the conversation that we had with bill peters where not only did he do something bad and should be fired for that thing that he did also he's a bad coach he's not even good at his job he was never like he was never good in carolina yeah like the argument with stan bowman is like okay not only is this a whole kettle of fish uh he's also not that great it's also a bad hockey decision i don't think stan bowman has been a good gm ever in his career just as you you've outlined and the thing that really i can't stop wrestling with is the edmonton oilers have a history of doing this within their organization of hiring guys bringing on guys

with questionable paths or who have just been in some sort of controversy it happened with Evander Kane, who went through his issues in San Jose in his personal life, and they bring him in because they didn't care. It happened this past season with Corey Perry, who was banished from the Blackhawks, and they said, we're going to bring on Corey Perry. It happened with Jake Furtanen. After Jake Furtanen's issues, they brought him in for a PTO during training camp,

and then he eventually just didn't make the team because he sucks. And then now it's happened with Stan Bowman. Eventually, it stops becoming a coincidence, and it is just a pattern. and that's four separate individuals all within the last what is that three four years like kane would be the first one on that list that's very recent memory that you're bringing in these four guys who all have a hit like i get that everybody in your organization is going to be a person you agree with or an upstanding individual in society that there's just everyday life there are these people but this is a very public role uh company that they have where you're you're you're beholden

to an audience of your fans and they have a history of doing this and i just i question the morals of the edmonton oilers from the top down in that they just choose to do this time and time again and why does stan bowman deserve i get like okay he he thinks that some people think he's done the work shelton county does but why does he still deserve to work in the toy factory like he doesn't have to be an nhl gm he can go do something else with his life and we can all just move on from that it's just i can't stop wrestling with that this organization doing this consistently time and time again here's here's what i wonder um obviously he had failings in 2010 um i think in some ways he's being rewarded for what's happened since um because they want to encourage

what he's done since and that's going to catch a lot of you off guard but my theory at the time and this was i mean confirmed in not so many words by the blackhawks is i think he was extraordinarily cooperative during the investigation um you know whether he was just doing the right thing or he was throwing an executive he already didn't like very much under the bus um maybe that executive deserved all of it um the blackhawks sure made it seem like that um it is all this guy's fault stan had nothing to do with it um uh he's done uh work with sheldon kennedy's organization uh he resigned without giving anyone any trouble really i i think they're trying to reward or maybe the league isn't sorry to see him rewarded after being um

for lack of a better term low maintenance um you know what i mean like there are many ways you could have tried to fight this and i think this is part of the reason why i'm not convinced it's gonna go the same for joel quinville tell me about that um he we haven't really heard about any of this with him we've heard like i think he might have spoken he did do that one talk in september last year with kyle beach yeah he did a talk with the nhl he has been reinstated but the blackhawks over and over and over again um went out of their way to talk about what a stand-up individual stan bowman is and they thanked him for his time and his cooperation and i just haven't gotten the same feeling from joel other than they're they're trying to be like all right it has enough time

passed the argument always seems to be well you know oh i'm sure he's learned his lesson or whatever whereas stan has has tried to show remorse and try to i'm not saying this to justify it by the way i don't think anybody in their right mind would accuse you of that i mean nobody's like yeah the sdp is going to come out and justify this no yeah well you never know and if you do think that i don't know what to tell you no well like i cheer for a team and if i were to find out that team was talking to stan bowman and thinking about hiring him i'd hit the roof i wouldn't want it oh are you saying he can't i mean there were plenty of oilers fans that didn't want it there was a petition with thousands of signatures oh i know i know that it's going to change anything but

and you know in canada too like i just i i'm i'm surprised by the whole thing um quenville uh again i've brought this up before but you know i'm sorry i know i did wrong and then all these family members are on twitter being combative and saying well he did nothing wrong um whereas stan is just sort of uh i guess uh falling on his sword that would maybe be the term um you know i throw myself to the mercy of the court and i'm gonna work with these guys and that and these guys if joel is doing that he's doing it very quietly um i think that's the long and short of it i'm not certain he'll be back what i think for the whole thing for me what it boils down to is a failure of the system of the nhl because stan bowman got hired as general manager of the

edmonton oilers because he was able to he was reinstated on july 1st and the nhl said if anybody wants to hire him they can and the edmonton oilers did something that they were allowed to do at the end of the day and the the people who could have stopped all of this is the nhl like when when pete rose bet on baseball he was banned for life you do not have the option to have pete rose on your team as your head coach as within your organization he is banned the nhl decided that these guys are okay to come back and that it's fine but when it was found out what they did during the during the whole kyle beach thing the investigation came out it should have been point blank that hey it's over it's you you've you've committed a cardinal sin you've committed a

criminal act by allowing this individual to go on and work within the team and then go on to commit sexual assault crimes and that should have been it you should have lost your ability to work in this fun space of the nhl and the nhl at the end of the day said gary betman decided because he's the ultimate decision maker here he said no they can come back and they can do everything despite what they did in the past and for me the failing is is the entire system of allowing these guys to be able to work here again because that should have decision should have been taken out of everybody's hands and they should have put their foot down you're done like you're done here forever here's what here's the the what the nhl would say to that is if you don't provide a path

back if you don't provide some way to right your wrongs then um then your um you think fewer things will get on earth well yeah because people they have more of an incentive to hide things uh and and i think so so what my issue with the way the nhl's handled this is that okay so you want these guys to go and do the work because you want them to have a path to redemption now you can we can agree and disagree on whether or not that is the right thing to do my issue is that the nhl should have stage managed this meaning that they should have said listen i you are publicly going to do a b c d e f g um they you are going to be accountable to the public you're going to be accountable to the fans and then we'll make a call but like if a player on the blackhawks

bet on a game would he have the opportunity to work back he'd never be allowed to work again in the nhl no you would never have because they think that's worse than covering up an actual crime that affects other human beings right the integrity of the game and sporting is it means more and i don't think that should be the case i think what they did here within the league and the organization and the team should be as impactful as that and that to me is a big as big a sin as like oh you you're making up the you're affecting the rules of the game by betting on it and i think that the nuance of that would be that the nhl looks at this like it's a failing from a guy john mcdonough did tell these guys i will handle this you focus on the hockey and then

he didn't handle it so what the nhl is doing is going no actually just a war as a warning to everybody you all are responsible if you find out about something like this and you better fucking report it that's what they're saying but so i think that's listen if it had been in stan bowman's hands and he hadn't done anything there's no way he's allowed back john mcdonough the guy that was running uh running the blackhawks is too old to come back he's a he's a guy that worked under the wurtz family he is not had a good reputation around the nhl generally nobody liked this guy it was a culture of fear in the blackhawks anyway uh from everything that i've heard and you and and so i think that's whether it's right or wrong i think that's why they're

doing it this way is that they think okay we're sending a message this is it and we're not we're not doing this again i think if this ever were to happen again i think jesse i don't think they're ever there's no road back for them for if this were to happen again i think i think you set the precedence the first time like i don't think they should have the option to come back like knowing what they did and seeing everything the cover-up and then what uh has gone on to happen to john doe too and everything like i don't know i i don't think the option should be in the hands of other teams to hire these individuals and i think you're absolutely right on the money by the way when you say okay so like shane pinto had some dumbass friend gamble on his account while

shane was playing hockey he didn't gamble on games like people making taking shots at shane pinto for having a whatever uh whatever account like i get that it's a funny joke or whatever but like at the end of the day his crimes were pretty limited uh he was irresponsible he was irresponsible is a boneheaded move hey who hasn't been stupid and when you're 22 the reality is most of us are not stupid on that on a big stage right so you can get away with things that normally doesn't happen the the integrity of the game and this is where the nhl seems to not understand things and i think jesse made a really good point here is the integrity of the game means having people in management who have integrity and that part is very hard to square um and the edmonton oilers

like there's a listen there's a ton of oilers fans who are going to be like ah fuck you you're leaf fans who cares and i get it like fine fine if that's how you want to do it that's that's totally cool if you can sleep that's cool yeah they would have said that before the intro i'm not worried yeah they were saying that anyway but i would say that i would say that um i think a lot of oilers fans and a lot of hockey fans if it were their team would want more i do want my management teams yeah you could be quirky and weird like dubas was quirky and weird um and he still is but that's a stand-up guy from what i know generally generally a stand-up guy you can like true livings moves you can hate true livings move as you're from calgary you

probably hate a lot of his moves um seems like a genuine genuinely good person that is important to me these are public like listen if it's a if it's a politician ideally you want them to not be a piece of shit right you know that like you want to not be hard to come by yeah hard to come by in politics but like i feel like as you said there's 32 jobs there are not just 40 candidates There are plenty of good candidates out there. I don't... Like, that's... You come back and you circle that.

Stan Bowers is not one of the 32 best general managers on planet Earth. He's not the best... Like, no. He wasn't when he was employed. No! Yeah. That's...

Jeff Jackson, like, it's a curious decision from somebody who just built so much goodwill over the last couple of weeks just from, like, the... He made some good signings. ...strictly great management, like, roster decisions. Off ice now with this signing. It's very...

We were making fun of Jim Matheson for saying Keith Gretzky would be a good fit. I think a lot of people would prefer Keith Gretzky to this. Well, I saw. And we all teased Jim Matheson about his like extremely Oilers takes. But like. Someone was like, someone told me they're like, it came down to Keith Gretzky, Brad Holland, or Stan Bowman. By the way, it did not come down to Brad Holland. No, no.

It didn't though. But we know that. I couldn't help that I respond to this person. I'm like, so wait, the candidates were Gretzky's brother, Ken Holland's son, and Stan Bowman's son. Or sorry, rather, Scotty Bowman's son, who was involved in one of the biggest scandals the league has ever seen. I don't think that was the real list.

I would hope not. And by the way, all three of those guys work for the Oilers. And let's not, listen, I'm not here to diminish Brad Holland. i'm not here to diminish keith gretzky those guys have worked long and hard years and yeah did they have a listen there are plenty of people in many industries uh that whenever you see like a a plumber it's like so and so and son nepotism yeah like i get it i get it oftentimes it's a human thing we go into the same things that our parents were in oftentimes we do well when we started this company i hired exclusively my worst enemies yeah my point is it and i think we've we've

we've kind of we've fleshed this out it doesn't make a lot of sense from a hockey perspective it certainly doesn't make sense from a integrity perspective uh not taking away from the work that stan bowman has done which is great why did it have to be gm and i think that was a great question i think it's entirely possible you can work your way back um i think it's lazy and irresponsible to be like oh well he's spoken to kyle beach yeah there's that done yeah um you know but the you know the nice thing is we get to hear that story john doe too we'll never hear from that person again right and since this person is going to be i mean jeff jackson hit hit his twitter account no he knew this was coming well

he hit it for me a while ago yeah i don't know why you're blocked by him i don't know but he locked his tweets down yeah uh before this press conference and uh he probably knew what was coming very innocent behavior my question is going forward or i guess my statement going forward would be he's hired now you're not going to undo that this guy has zero latitude there is no room for any sort of anything oh i know you better be above board and open and honest about just does he keep doing the work or is he like ah i did it me and sheldon we got together i did this work and now i'm hired and i'm all done no i think that's a continual thing that you must keep doing right i'd be i'd be surprised i'm actually optimistic that um the oilers now need to be front of the

pack front of the pack when it comes to these things and championing initiatives and uh paying the price isn't necessarily it's not the right word but i i don't know lazily i guess doing the work right yeah no they need to be front of the pack they don't have a track a good track record with the people they continually bring into their organizing yeah and i mean the i mean the answer the the subtext there um you know hey have you spoken to john doe too the answer is he didn't say no that's my guess if he were to switch that to a yes or no uh answer and uh i mean as as it pertains to the chicago blackhawks they are still fighting this case in court still yeah they they in january tried to get it dismissed which is a half a year ago

yeah half a year ago i can't believe they're even fighting it at all um me neither honestly yeah it's just ridiculous but anyway it's already cost the millions and it'll hopefully cost the millions more and what was the fine from the nhl two million two million two million and by the way it wasn't against the cap i believe if you compare the coyotes i think the coyotes paid more no they were fine like a home game yeah yeah the coyotes so like like the coyotes when when john chayka was working out junior athletes when he wasn't allowed to in a particular window,

which is what they did. They were fined how many picks and how much are those picks worth? Like a first round pick is like three or four million bucks, right? Like it's not cheap. Especially when you're bad. Especially when you're bad.

Yeah. And I mean, God bless the Coyotes. They accumulated all those picks and more anyway by just dealing any talent that they had off the roster. But the point is, I look at what the Blackhawks were fined

and i look at what the coyotes were fine and i'm like you worked out some junior athletes and you covered up a sexual assault even the ottawa senators when they were trying to ingratiate a brand new owner into the into the club the dad no and then yeah and then they get like uh he wasn't even there for it he gets sideswiped with this fucking fine and of the picks and it was ridiculous yeah yeah so yeah man i i the nhl is so backwards well and you know that players going through legal proceedings we mentioned that intern who something you know they they had an unwanted sexual advance from someone who should have never been there that sounds like a lawsuit to me i'm not i'm not a lawyer or anything like um this this is

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because there are other things going on in the NHL. And since we're some of the only media left because everybody else is at their cottage. Good for them. Yeah, and you know what? You want another Alex Nylander video there, Adam? We haven't earned that. I will say this.

Steve didn't give me credit, but the only reason that Alex Nylander video got done is because I forced him. It's 100%. Yeah, because Steve initially, you tweeted out, I'm not doing this shit. Yeah, and Adam texted me right away. It's okay.

I was only having a great time with my son. and uh he's like hey you should make this alex kneelander video and i was like i'll beat you up yeah and you're like no but like really this is what we do i'm like oh for fuck and then hayden poor hayden messaged me joking that hey you should do an alex kneelander video i was like relax i'm doing it and he's like no no no i'm like i wasn't poor hayden thought it was because of that at At 1.30 yesterday, Steve says, I got to put my foot down on this one. LOL, new podcast tomorrow, though. That's somebody asking him if he's going to do the Alex Nylander video.

Where's your foot? It's up in the air now. Yeah. It's not down. And there's Hayden replying, tell producer Drew I will edit it and Steve give the people what they want. Yeah. And my agent actually cursed Adam out for making me do that video.

Your agent? Yeah, I have the recording. Do you want to hear from my agent What my agent had to say to Adam Leo Say Adam you're a toilet Adam you're a toilet Yeah

And also a butt You're a butt Oh my goodness And say poo Oh my goodness I can't believe you just said that And you're a toy What was that one

I don't know what that is. But Daddy cannot have a nanny phone. See, Adam, we're eating rink fries. We're eating rink fries? Yeah. Have you had food while we were eating on the ice? How long is this? It's longer than I remember.

Steve, Steve. It's longer than I remember. I'm sorry. One picture in the wallet is enough. all right you're gonna play a 40 minute video because nobody thinks their kids are cuter than their own parents right but steve goes a little overboard i didn't remember it being that long no you could have come let's get into the fries yeah yeah oh

the fries what were they seasoned with we're eating ring fries yeah anyway he he also he called you a ball allen ball allen okay make up words no that that that beginning first five minutes was good killer yeah like he had a good tight five there you know yeah we gotta work on the rest of it before we get to hbo hours was really uh killers of the flower moon there you know what you guys are both jesse that's a good reference that's a little long you know what your p and butt and poo Anyway, as I explained to Steve, and this is an old reference for the OGs, do your goddamn job because that is your job, my friend. Oh, you mean the Alex Nylander?

Yeah. Yeah. Do your job. Great signing. Give us a video. And I like this. So let's get into it very quickly here. Alex Nylander played 14 games for the Penguins in 22-23 and 23-24 combined.

Didn't score a lot. But if you look at his Wilkes-Barre-Scranton numbers, 50 points in 55 games two years ago. Last year, he had 32 in 43 and then goes and plays for the Blue Jackets and puts up Kirill Marchenko numbers. 11 goals in 23 games, four assists. 40 goal pace.

That's crazy. Over the 23 games. That's crazy. It tied him with over the same span from February 25th onward. It tied him in goal scoring with Sidney Crosby, evgeny mulligan um connor mcdavid david poster knock tyler bertuzzi who was hot as a pistol at the time um uh yeager sharon govich there were there's so many names he was one of the hottest

goal scorers in the nhl yes absolutely 25th onward absolutely and and i think at the end of the day this signing works for a few reasons first off the vibes absolutely second guys i don't know if you guys are aware that this guy is actually going to play for the leafs next year i know this is a i know this is a maybe i disagree um maybe uh he plays the he plays left wing and who do we have on the left wing guys not a lot uh they got matthew nice bobby mcmahon conor doer question mark pontus holmberg question mark it's skint it's skint and i think this guy is they're they're just this is a great signing for me because my belief my tinfoil hat belief is that he's going to make the can't the team out of camp no question and he is they're gonna

they're gonna sign him to an nhl deal as soon as the waiver thing is done so so he doesn't the waivers doesn't matter doesn't matter no it's it's not like josh hosang where josh hosang came and he was on whatever marley's deal and they need to sign and have entry waivers right neil leonardo doesn't need entry waivers he can just sign he as long as they have uh one of the 50 contract slots available you can just go straight but but that but that's my point jesse is if you sign it after training camp then you get to keep all your guys and him and not put anybody on waivers they don't even because you're not going to do that you're under the cap right right but it doesn't really matter in the off season it matters so remember how um they you

have to be cap compliant by the start of the season right there's that yeah the start the season they're like day one the regular season right so my thinking is they sign them like day one you know day two right and then and then they've they're able to move some stuff around and move people down and not lose them that's my point it's possible yeah it wouldn't really it wouldn't make you don't think so it wouldn't make it there i think it makes a difference i think it does it's it's hard i don't understand what way it makes it it's fine it's real rare like the washington capitals right now have more than 50 contracts yeah like if the leafs wanted to do it they could so like it didn't matter if they did now or that it's real hard to have an ahl contract

and get an nhl contract mid-season it's very rare there have been players where we thought it was going to happen and it didn't i thought keifer bellows man i 100 thought keifer bellows um josh hosang was another one there are guys who will earn it in the offseason if i'm not mistaken mason marchman if i'm not mistaken trevor moore justin hall uh was another guy and those are all guys who have had very good or well they've played hundreds of nhl games yeah between them me lander i think is a guy who's just had terrible luck throughout his career and maybe also shouldn't have gone eighth overall i i think he's gonna do extremely well on the marlies um i think he wanted to sign in a nhl city and they also need to score the marlies they they need to score and oh my god

he's gonna rip it i think he's just gonna rip it up um put him with someone like nick abrazizi like a past first playmaker um i i think he's just absolutely gonna tear it up but like does that help the leafs i i think we see him in like november that's my no he's gonna play december he's gonna play i think injuries happen and they're so because of the fucking core form they are so light on the wing and eventually a couple injuries will happen maybe by november late november early december and neilander is going to be next man up because he's going to do well with the marlies and i think eventually neilander is on the leafs at some point this season yeah that's my bet there was a good meme there was like one neilander at 11 and a half

two neilanders at 12 and a quarter oh yeah i think that's just gotta isn't that how it works yes absolutely and and the thing is nick robertson i said i was talking to somebody about this yesterday and they're like a passing leaf fan and they were they're like hey so what's up with that nick robertson guy and i said well uh his agent has said that he has no interest in signing with the leafs and that fan and it's just an average fan okay i if you're listening to the show i don't think you're an average you're like a hardcore bananas we have exactly zero average fans yeah these are you are hardcore yes that person said well what who the fuck does that guy think he is it's literally got mad I was like whoa whoa whoa wait a second and he's like he's like no

he's like I like that guy but he's like that guy's that guy's not right like come on what are we talking about here and and I think this is also Nick Robertson insurance because the Leafs can sit it's possible well because he's a depth scorer right yeah and Nick Robertson scored 15 goals last year if he plays this year he's getting 20 guaranteed I now will there be defensive lapses absolutely yeah but that's like that's max domey too 100 you know nick robertson is a is a is a player uh he needs to earn more time it's a new head coach this is a new start all these things um but if nick robertson goes no i'm sitting the season i'm not doing it go okay well we have alex come on nick robertson did that it's like i don't even want you here

to me i think i think you i think as the toronto maple leafs though who have let rfas dominate them when they have no freaking cards to play the leafs need to send a message here yeah if nick robertson wants to sit out the season and miss a season of professional hockey i let him sit i don't trade him i say you're not playing for us ever you're not playing for anybody else we hold your rights you can sit the whole season because that's so ridiculous for you to be pulling that kind of shit like it is it is ridiculous what levers do you have it is ridiculous like you get to sit the full year fuck you this isn't nylander in his prime or well not in his prime he's in his prime this isn't nylander uh in his contract dispute this isn't marner in his little contract dispute

um those were players in the 60 point range that could have gone higher and did jake debrusk is so funny because now he's in vancouver he's like yeah i asked for a trade like eight times in boston they wouldn't move me because they have my right they don't have to train now he's a millionaire yeah and you're multi multi-millionaire and he's jake de brusque and not nick roberts they did him an enormous favor by being like well we want you actually and we're going to keep you and we're going to put you in a position to succeed and then he did leafs did the exact same thing with ilya mikhayev yep who fleeced the canucks in free agency to the point where they had to tie a rocket to him and send him to the Blackhawks um you know Zedina was like let me go yeah Red Wing said

we're gonna let you go to the worst team in the league and go and play on their first line where does Philip Zedina play right he doesn't have a team nobody plays with no one like it's Nick Robertson has no leverage here it's ridiculous that he's not just like I'm gonna put my head down and try and work for a spot in this lineup honest to goodness if he signs a deal with the Leafs I automatically put him in the top six and I alternate Nyes and McMahon which one of them plays on the third line because I think they're better suited for it like I it's not I put one of them beneath Nick Robertson it's for me doing what's best for the team yeah the topic we're discussing is Nick Robertson well it all ties into the Alex's is a left winger who shoots right

the Leafs would like that that's great uh wingers are generally like how much better is Connor Dewar than Alex Nylander I think it depends on what he does Connor Dewar is defense only don't put Connor Dewar in the offensive zone under any circumstance I think a fan would rather have Alex Nylander a coach would rather have Connor Dewar does that make sense yeah yeah and is it possible to have both hey I have an mostly offense guy who's probably terrible in his own end I'd Actually, I haven't scouted Alex Nylander, guys. I don't know if you guys have really dug deep on the game footage. Just make a shot.

If you look at a player and just their points and go, why are they struggling so hard to plant their roots? Because they don't play defense. It's either they don't play defense or they kind of suck in the room or both. Yeah. Yeah. That's totally fair. The Connor Dewar is, if you put Connor Dewar and Alex Nylander together

as one player that's a seven million dollar player but it's but it's not but it's not unfortunately so hey you got but you're the leafs you need to get cheap guys so you got two halves gotta do the drag the thing you just said about the the room and the defense thing that was my whole thing about daniel sprung like yeah daniel sprung fucking sucks at defense can't play to save his life but he has a he has a decent shot and he gets a couple points every year like half a point a game and pedersen needs but like there's the reason he didn't have a job until very far into free agency at this point in the summer like okay i am a offense first bottom six they just do not need those players you go down the list of guys who couldn't find jobs they kind of all

fall in that little category and neil andrews another one who's a bottom six offensive first guy which isn't very useful to most hockey teams i will bet uh confidently daniel sprung got a more lucrative offer earlier in the summer turned it down and alex nylander had gotten nhl offers but opted for this and that's fine i think it'd be so cool if nylander and nylander play on the same team together um at some point i hope they don't do the w.nylander and the a.nylander they wear different numbers i think people can understand no you can't i want the limited edition i want i'm on i'm on steve's side yeah i want i want w and a so you guys want to be treated like children well i want to be treated because you can't tell the difference between the

kneelanders with different numbers that's right they have the same name gotta put the little thing it's confusing stop it it's how are people gonna know it how are people and you know what the different numbers is how they know you know what that's why you remember the players i'm getting the alex jersey guys guys there was a time when the leafs didn't put the name on the back at all and the only difference bad was the number now wait a sec if i'm not mistaken there's also a time when like women couldn't vote that's true back to those times why are you trying to bring us back into the system for this and it works great and it's called numbers yeah no adam wants to take us back oh god were you born in the wrong generation anybody who says that shut up

adam loved the great depression no oh i hate those tiktoks but by the way this is me if i were dressed in the 40s like shut up you would not want to be that's adam shut up what do you think about oh more like the greatest depression yeah here let me talk about it some more adam calls them the greatest generation there's nothing wrong with calling them that but i'm just saying i would not have wanted to be the greatest generation implies you went through a lot of bad shit okay generally i don't want that adam looks at 1942 and he's like take me back no i want it 70s boomer easy okay that's what i want oh that's what i want when you who work nine to five and it's like oh here's my four thousand square foot house yeah for a box of raspberries

exactly and a nickel you found in your couch anyway but all right so no number no names on the back of jerseys adam says if i'm not no forward pass yeah yeah adam wants it like baseball okay if i'm not mistaken guys on ahl contracts can play pre-season games which means we may get this in the preseason oh that's cool neilander never alex neilander never signs an nhl deal we may get willie and alex in the same uniform with w and a if they get uh an assist to a goal neilander neilander sign them to an nhl contract nope no make it happen i want them on the same line number of assists and also number on jersey because you can't put the initials it's not allowed right adam shut up it's not allowed right you need to shut up right why do

you hate modern times i don't hate modern times by the way wouldn't the best line of preseason be max domey between the two knee landers the the all who gives a shit line no defense of the all our dads played in the nhl line that's well that's that's half the nhl yeah yeah it's true do they make a whole line though what do you mean do they make a whole line like is there an entire line in the nhl that's all sons of former nhlers we just need two defensemen yeah see that's a deep hair well we have kneelander domi kneelander so there's no he's asking like right now is there a line in the nhl oh can we make i don't think oh i think like can you make them out of it no no is there a line right now yeah i don't think is there one

Is there one right now? I don't think so. That's a good question. I think a Nepple line would be sick. Yo, the Nepple? Yo. Instead of baptism by fire, but nepotism by fire. Move it against the wall.

You see? Like, give me a bad newspaper headline. I'm your man. Ooh. Sons of... And then it's got to be like a play on anarchy. Or no, you just do Sons of Anarchy because they scored. That's it.

sons of anarchy that's it i don't know man i don't know no i don't know yeah but it's got to be bad it does have to be bad sons of anarchy there it is our favored sons fortunate sons fortunate sons like the ccr song yeah yeah because that's an old reference i'm glad that you fortunate i'm glad that you know that um yeah i don't know we can we can come back to this we don't need to stick on this topic too long yes hayden do you have thoughts yes hayden oh hold on there you go i think the closest we got with the leafs this year i was calling it the nepple line at home bertuzzi was on a line with nylander and domey oh yeah there's all dad dad uncle uncle yeah yeah that's not bad that's pretty good i like that this is the family reunion

line i'm trying to look through some of the uh the family connections but i can't i can't do it enough i can't build a whole line we will if somebody else somebody will message us let us know in the youtube comments or on twitter or something if there's any line it's got to be a full line that played in the nhl that's all nepo baby and then let us know if you got it whole starting roster yeah there you go all-star team yeah all-star kids we need goalies all the Sutter's oh just all of them well well I guess the kid Sutter's right oh Brandon's show is gonna be three hours long I know I know I know uh I want to talk to you uh about um one of my favorite segments uh of this entire year came pretty recently uh when we talked about just how old

Cliff Fletcher is man how how how many things have happened over Cliff Fletcher's life like here's what was in vogue when cliff fletcher started in hockey and it was like the late 60s he started in the nhl uh lance hornby of the toronto sun uh has confirmed that cliff fletcher renewed his contract with the leafs for another year as senior advisor he is soon to be 89 years old doesn't get out to many games but he said he puts in a full day with a bank of televisions and a computer streaming service to watch nhl junior ahl and ncaa games at home wow i think that's pretty cool i want to see that wall of tvs uh i also do i want to how many of them uh are like the big wood like uh oh the cabinet tvs i had the thunk oh you turned them up oh yeah does his remote my nona used to

have a her remote it was like a little box that had a switch on it where you went up and down and naturally we'd fuck with it every christmas and wreck it but yeah she had that thing since the 70s you used to call it a clicker because it would click yeah remotes don't do that anymore dude they used to click you'd be like a thunk more like click fletcher i remember i had a tv that was so old that you could not there was no remote for it you had to go it only had 13 channels and you had to go up and press which channel you wanted right on the television uh uh what uh one of my favorite like just little antidote anecdotes for like how technology changes is i had to help my grandpa set up his tv like hdmi and and all that you know what his trade

was television repairman oh that's cool that's cool but like it's changed a lot it's changed a lot yeah he was born in 1925 yeah so cliff fletcher 89 will be with the leafs again this year again another round of applause good for him your boy cliff i held on this long i'm getting my damn ring patrick lion a has been cleared and he is ready to come back teams have been given permission to speak to his agent uh to try to work out a contract deal not a contract should be a trade because he's got two years left on his deal uh with the columbus blue jackets but they'll obviously want to speak to him first um it feels like he'll start the year with columbus doesn't it at this point well i mean what we're seeing by the complete lack of signings and the fact that

any signings we are seeing are either under a million dollars or not an nhl contract um it just feels impossible to for a team to acquire this player without sending something large back um in terms of salary i've seen some habs fans getting all hot and bothered about the idea of like line a for josh anderson um i think if josh anderson has any say he would probably block a trade back to columbia and he probably does have i don't know bergman handed those out like candy well and i mean he had a seven-year deal right like maybe the no trade is his bloody contract um uh it's it's difficult to see uh a team having the wiggle room to include a guy like line a uh in a way that makes any sense like could teams do it yeah

there are teams with space but i i think there's a lot of internal budgets and um you know you also like you look at it like the ducks it's like well the ducks could yeah but they're not winning so they have an internal budget well and you also just uh line is fascinating and this has been the case since like two or three years into his career you have no idea what you're getting ever are you are you gonna get a guy who's gonna score no goals this month are you gonna get a guy who scores 20 goals this month the answer is often yes like he's just he's one of the streakiest players going where his his shot is just a touch of god or completely useless it might be best for um for him with a new coach and a new outlook from top down in columbus uh don waddell doesn't

mess around i'm a big fan of that guy maybe his new team is columbus i that's what i was gonna say put him put him with johnny hockey put a capable center in between the two of them and make something happen stop screwing around with this lining at center oh no he's not gonna be a center no no he's not a center i don't put ken johnson in there call it a day Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto

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you could sign up for an antenna so you could get local suns games to your house. This guy is intent on building sports in Arizona. And here's what he said in the Phoenix Mercury. Sorry, not in the Phoenix Mercury. That's the team. What is the,

what is the, I can't remember the public. The Gazette, the Gazette, the WNBA, as soon as I said that, I was like, Oh,

okay. And he also talked to Sportico. That's where this one comes from. He said he would be interested in bringing an NHL team back to Arizona. He said, I'm definitely going to be a part of the community, and if I can help bring hockey back, I'll look at that. It's definitely something I'm interested in. It's a four-sport town.

I'm disappointed we don't have a hockey team, but I understand what happened, and we're going to try to fix that one day. And what's interesting about that quote is that if you'd asked him two years ago, he said, not interested, not getting involved. It was the owner. I think it was always the owner. and here we go now they can begin to heal i i think i wouldn't be surprised if the next two expansions are phoenix and atlanta atlanta seems to be the closest they got two or three groups

that are involved there uh you get phoenix atlanta and you got to do houston at some point too yeah they already got like the rink and everything yeah where the rockets play i assume they could that could be converted i don't know if there's ice in it yet but the arena is there you know and it's such a big market you have to get yeah you gotta get texas i feel horrible for coyotes fans but like i i guess starting from complete scratch is just what they had to do yeah i like this i think this guy is the guy and he also listen mattish is not stupid uh if he owns the coyotes uh uh the nba and the wnba teams uh you become pretty successful mayor well yeah i mean you look at this the the power that mlse has in toronto like all sponsorships and everything flows through

them it's why mega corporations like rogers and bell bought it there's so much money and so much cachet with owning that this guy is setting himself up and i bet the nhl is already on his doorstep going let's let's do this let's work out the field let's make it happen do you live in the greater phoenix area are you looking to have a night out give me money like that's basically you have to give him money yeah unless you're going to a club and he might own that too i don't know he made his money somehow wasn't in pro sports i don't know so yeah anyway i believe What is it? Mortgage? Mortgages. Oh, there you go. He owns your house. No, no. He owns

the mortgage on your house. Oh. He just makes money on your payments. It's easy. Poor's own houses. Rich's own mortgages. That's right. Got it. That's right. It's like you don't buy the Tesla, you buy the Tesla stock. Yeah. Oh. Or you used to.

Now you don't buy the Tesla stock. You don't buy the Tesla stock. Now it's NVIDIA. It's not going well. NVIDIA? Yeah. Aren't they the number one stock in the last year or something? Yes, they are. Yeah. I don't know what they do, but I've seen it on TikTok.

It's good for computers. Okay, that's good for them. Lastly, Dean Evason, again, who has laser eyes just like Bill Zito. The Columbus Blue Jackets opened their season against producer Hayden's Minnesota Wild. Fun. Dean Evason finally came out and was honest and said what everybody already knew, which is uh he said when ex-coaches go in and say this game means nothing to me that's such bull yeah he said bull because it means something yeah so look for the columbus blue jackets to get fired up i

just loved that a lot and was really happy he said that because he too all of a sudden made me fired up for minnesota columbus which i haven't been since expansion for both of them And it's Andrew Burnett played for both teams. Yeah, yeah. Like, no, no, no. Like, them separately, sure. Yeah. Together at the same time, no.

Marty St. Louis also jumped into the headlines this past week. And he said he was talking about how Stephen Stamkos, you know, what leaving Tampa was like and signing in Nashville. And he said he's going to look back on his career, and I think he's going to be happy that he experienced something else. That is really interesting. because you you never hear that you always hear the cautionary tale uh grass isn't always greener but in this case steven liked the grass that he had the grass just didn't like him back it's this

isn't a case of like uh oh i got a year or two left this is this is a player who has an abundance of hockey left he's got game yeah and it's interesting because both he and saint louis left tampa at similar spots in their career what everyone forgets about uh saint louis is he was coming off an art ross trophy from the lockout shortened season then was left off the canadian olympic team by his own gm and uh asked for a trade goes to the rangers and ends up going to the final the next year tampa went to the final too by the way like both teams did pretty well people forget that um it's can i ask a question it's it this isn't alfredson this isn't madano this is a player who had a lot of time left so i i don't blame saint louis for saying that i know

breeze wall has won a bunch of cups and i know he was a part of the management group under steve eiserman that built those teams but as a general manager you know we said stan bowman inherited a a lamborghini with the engine on so did julian briswa oh sure yeah but he perfected it and made it the champion he did he did he kept it going he did now my question with julian briswa is is this stam coast move a a real career like there's certain moves that you make as a general manager that make or break your career is this decision one of them no not that it would break it but maybe his time in Tampa comes to an unceremonious end and then he works somewhere else or is this just a move along the way you look at the three trips to the cup final the

two rings that he has and he probably just sticks them up and he shows you them in the camera and he says look at that that that's my legacy right there and I'm trying to extend that by this move with with Stamkos and I'm being heartless here because I think I can get maybe another cup a couple more cups so i think breeze was legacy is kind of cemented with that and that we give him the credit for building this team uh and making it what it is and that this is just a casualty of his hard nose gming i don't know if you guys i i you know what i i think i think that this story goes away as soon as the puck drops does that make sense like i am going to be following steve all the way through nashville when nashville and tampa play that'll be interesting or whatever

If Nashville's hot and Tampa's terrible, everyone's going to be calling him stupid. I think you have to go more than that. If Stamkos is scoring and Tampa's not. Right. Also fair. Because Nashville, we know, is a good team. What's Gensel going to do in Tampa? If he doesn't show up, then you're like, Stamkos probably should have still been there.

Because we forget. See, remember when he signed in Nashville and I was like, Stamkos scored 40 goals and had 41 assists? And you were like, what? You know, we forgot that Stamkos had an amazing last season. Phil Kessel and Tyler Sagan were compared to each other forever because of that Leafs-Bruins trade. This wasn't a trade, but eh, a little bit. They made the swap.

That's the reason they don't want Stamkos anymore because they got Gensel. Yep, you're absolutely right. Stamkos and Gensel are absolutely going to be compared. They're linked forever now. Yeah, oh, Adam, I think that's going to be micro-analyzed. yeah 100 okay well this will be fun then oh yeah i like it okay yeah should we do a quick press conference sure all right let's do it the presser s d p the steve dangle press conference

i have for you nepo baby talk oh yeah let's go because i did some digging and the one team that really stands out to me with the amount of nepo babies and maybe we got a line out of it last season oh is is the chicago blackhawks now they just signed tyler bertuzzi so he doesn't count but this i don't want season i know this upcoming season tyler bertuzzi will add to the nepo baby tally of the blackhawks let's go through the other members of the blackhawks who are now who are currently nepo babies we'll start with uh philip kurashev who is the son of former russian hockey player constantin constantine yeah constantine kirashev who played in the khl i didn't play in the nhl you're not counting it nope all right played pro but he didn't play nhl

let's move over to mr nick felino yes that was right the uh son of mike felino who played a long time for the buffalo sabers okay so we have a nepo baby there do you count this one connor bedard little known nepo baby connor bedard's great great great great uncle james bedard played 22 games for the blackhawks no way between 1949 and 1951 i had never heard that james bedard james bedard played his great great uncle that's cool if somebody comes out with a story about james bedard by the way i know you're a listener of this show because sometimes we do things i'm like i feel like i feel like that wasn't brought up and then so-and-so is doing a story jimmy beds james bedard so never heard of that conor bedard basically if you go through

every nhl player there's some sort of athlete in their family you know but um next up we'll go to lucas reichel whose father is martin reichel who played uh in the czech league oh i thought you were gonna say robert right robert reichel he uh lucas reichel's the nephew of robert reichel so there's two connections there wow in nepo baby land of the reichel yeah i think that's better than kurashev because at least robert played right if we're gonna count tyler or we're not gonna count tyler's no no we can count that so there you go with the forward group of the black ox who have some sort of nepi nepo baby connection i didn't i didn't do the defense but the four group there you go that's good man yeah that's a good good digging i don't know if there's a

combination of like a reichel badard curashev line that played last season but that would have counted as a like all hockey pro hockey player nepo baby line yeah that was a line maybe did bertuzzi oh yeah we already talked about bertuzzi with domi and nylander yeah yeah interesting wow and seth jones doesn't seth jones have some sort of caleb jones pop you know popeye jones is his is his uncle or his dad i think it's his dad popeye jones is a basketball player played for the raptors oh yeah and yeah his brother is caleb and they could have been a pair we have the old nepotism

starting lineup no goalies they keep ruining it the goalies keep ruining it there's not enough nepotism in goaltending I demand more nepotism in goaltending yeah that's your Nepo Baby talk please send us in if you got a full Nepo Baby line or any other Nepo Baby

stuff from I bet there's going to be some really good references let's run them on Wednesday we'll do them in the press conference on Wednesday it's going to be a lot of fun two in five Canadians will hear the words you have cancer That's why every step and dollar raised matters.

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You gotta try breakfast at A&W At participating A&W locations in Ontario uh first question comes from mo bailey joe wants to know are you guys having a brat summer that's a great question is it oh we had to we had to reach out to maddie while she's on her european vacation to be like are you aware of kamala harris being called brat oh no you know what it was i texted her i go they're having a full-on conversation on breakfast television this morning about that about did they make sid talk about that yes being called brat by charlie xcx yep so by the way there are a bunch of uh uh a bunch of

media outlets if you're wondering what a brat summer is it's essentially encourages enjoying life as much as you can in spite of the struggles you are facing means bold taking risks and embracing that's the that's how you do like the old people definitely yeah yeah anyway that's i had to do it i think it's one of those words where if you have to look up the definition you're not supposed to yeah am i right well yeah yeah obviously guys i had to give context for the But people on the show, they may have to give context that you just don't get it. I think that that's, I think giving context is for the people that don't get it. And I think that's an important tool on this show.

And I, listen, I know something about being a tool. But I do want to tell you that, yes, I will be having a Brad Summer. And by that, I mean my full vacation with Natalie when she takes a week off will be between the hours of nine and five because we have a kid. and so we'll put her off to daycare and because we're like well we could go for the cottage for the week but then we have to entertain her the whole time and daycare does a better job than we do like they had last week they had a bikes and scooters day and i felt like it was like bike week because all these kids rolling up like yo nice here's my ccm canadian tires toddlers stunting on each other absolutely you know you gotta get into you gotta get into sending her

to sleep away camp oh not yet like a two-week like you're you're going to tennis camp or just whatever camp it is you know and you just get rid of her i can't wait i'll send her the whole summer i don't care no i'm kidding i couldn't do that but but i cannot wait for sleep we have my wife has never done it and so she was like well no she's not gonna do that i'm like what do you mean she's not gonna do that and she's like well but and and i don't think uh i don't think everly's mom did it either and so i'm like listen family family meeting here she's doing it did you guys go to camp i never i never did sleepaway camp's the best uh i never did no i i did it uh yeah and there's nothing like sleeping uh in your cabin with like 15 other people and somebody

farts and everybody starts laughing it's the best it's the best experience you'll have as a as a like pre-teen or teenager i didn't get that experience till grade eight really when i was in leadership camp leadership camp was fun and i remember there's a high school leadership or was it well no maybe it was high school no sweet it's the best no you know what it wasn't great yeah you're right it was i was at leadership camp my girlfriend gabby went to a camp i think it was like uh like northern new york area like oh the states there and like every all the three girls in her family went to it and they all still talk about it like every time they're because they all went for all four years they were eligible and then they they so they went to the camp and then

they all became counselors and they all went through the thing it's like the best time of their lives yes they still talk about all the time it's incredible it's incredible and and and i i would want that for her i i think uh sleepaway camp is like the best it's also kind of scary and it pushes your boundaries a little bit you see your parents leave and you're like i am here in like lord of the fliesville right you gotta you gotta remake an entire social system like it's like it's high school or it's middle school in like two days who's the cool ones all right have we decided who's the hot ones have we decided adam have we did we go to leadership camp together yeah so yeah okay i thought we had do you do you remember the night he was he was a year older than

us someone bet him he couldn't pee and run at the same yeah oh no yeah i remember mike i can't i know his last name too and he and he like we're like you can run backwards and he keeps trying to run forwards at p and like like like mike just just back you know running backwards counts oh yeah yeah very funny that's uh it's good time oh that's what a hell of a visual one of the hardest laughs i've ever had in my entire life yeah it was hilarious any uh we'll end on this just because i wanted to get to a couple other ones but we can save them for wednesday yeah this one relates to what we were just talking about towel sneeze on twitter writes this one is for steven adam when when you change diapers on your kiddos do you prefer do you prefer for

them to lay sideways or towards you towards uh toward staring down the barrel yeah does it make a difference well if you have a little boy they can pee on you yeah and i didn't have one so it never bothered me yeah uh but yeah they can i guess they can catch you off guard i got one of each yeah the girls are easier i think when it comes to changing diapers well then they can pee all over themselves though yeah that's fine though you can change all that out and wipe them down i don't want to consider i think ideally you don't get peed on or have them be on themselves but it's gonna happen i'm very good at keeping thing everything very calm oh yeah i was just switch it out very fast i was lightning i actually was in a diaper changing

competition once did i tell you guys this yeah it was like on stage at a thing at a at a pamper i was i did a thing with pampers like convention center yeah and they were like talking about talking to dads about dnv to dad and they're like okay here you go and i was like done and i and i did it and the other dads were like whoa didn't you it wasn't it wasn't the guy who builds houses was he there uh there was a few guys yeah there were like influencers yeah uh the guy who builds well who am i thinking about wait was devin who used to be a vj at my production company oh okay yeah i think i was thinking of mike holmes no it wasn't no no he wasn't there no there were some other guys that like flipped houses and that was their influencing oh maybe lane

yeah and i was like man i don't even belong here these guys have like 500 000 followers and i'm like here i am with my 25 000 and like but anyway yeah when that my my sister has a gripe with you steve oh your child oh because you keep calling yourself a girl dad yeah and she says that i'm so much better than in her circle and like the definition of girl that adam's the only one who would qualify as a girl dad because to be a girl dad you have to only have girls but you have a girl and a boy so you're just a regular dad so you used to be a boy dad but then you got a girl so now you're just a dad so she thinks it's wrong every time you call yourself a girl dad she thinks you're you're taking the girl dad title when you shouldn't have it and adam's the only correct girl

dad in this circle i've never heard that that's that's how my sister that means that russell wilson can't call himself a girl dad anymore either he's the guy that like he's got a boy yeah he's got he's got four kids and uh is even one of them a boy because if they are one of them is a boy three are girls so son of a gun sorry i think i think we gotta we gotta debate this because you might not be able to call yourself a girl that damn i don't yeah listen i i did not make the term up i have never used the term i've always found that that i don't know man i i it is different being a father to a son as than it is to a daughter i'm like i don't have any experience and i will never have any experience having a son uh but i will tell you this i don't

need a label yeah i'm a freaking dad and i'm raising a kid and i'm trying to raise her to be as intelligent and kind and self-sufficient as possible i don't know man jesse as you can tell your sister as a girl dad i find i find that a bit misogynistic wow is that hold on does she have ingrained misogyny internalized internalized oh yeah wow michelle so disappointed i think i shall i don't know chauvinist i think i'm gonna i'm gonna side with the girl in this but okay she she's cornered the market on girl yeah but i got dad right so there's like an even stake here i think we got we got two things we got to come back next show on and the listeners one is we need your nepo baby lines from last night if that happens two is what is the correct

definition of girl that oh i thought i thought it was is jesse's sister a misogynist that lends to this conversation oh okay all right if steve is or isn't a girl dad because you i think you kind of only need to have girls to be a girl dad but we'll see i like so interesting i've never by the way that definition i know we never talk about how cool jesse's sister is but jesse's sister one of the coolest people in the world i just want to throw that out there that's what i thought too now she's a misogynist that's what i thought all right all right let's wrap it up boys as a girl dad i don't think i stand for we will be back on wednesday we will have vip this week as well and then next week we will start releasing our summer vip episode so you could

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