The Steve Dangle Podcast - Stankonia | October 23, 2023

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, John Tavares scores AGAIN in OT in Tampa Bay (00:00), Knies and Domi plus Kampf??? (10:00), Adam's battle against linesmen (28:00), Stamkos won't talk to the Toronto media (32:00), Fraser Minten for captain (44:00), sending our love to Winnipeg (52:00), the Edmonton Oilers lose McDavid and have only one win so far this season (53:30), Travis Dermott wears pride tape (1:12:00), the NHL launches a new advanced stat website (1:25:00), surprisingly great starts to the year (1:31:30), and Rasmus Andersson is suspended for four games (1:40:00). See Game Over live in Edmonton! -->> https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/game-over-edmonton-calgary-live-event-tickets-743757658177?aff=oddtdtcreator Steve's Rachel's Raiders page: https://eastersealsontario.akaraisin.com/ui/LindrosHockeyClassic2023/p/96a4194d1b5343b69afedfd1ebf95cca Jesse's Rachel's Raiders page: https://eastersealsontario.akaraisin.com/ui/LindrosHockeyClassic2023/p/653dce76124441bf99a9bc4a2f40c837 Adam Wylde's Rachel's Raiders page: https://eastersealsontario.akaraisin.com/ui/LindrosHockeyClassic2023/p/8bcc151fe6184ff28a16d18d7e2f9b27 Visit this episode's sponsors: Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://www.shopify.com/sdp and grow your business–no matter what stage you’re in. If a comprehensive solution is what you need from your supplement routine, then try AG1 and get a FREE1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Go to https://drinkag1.com/sdp. That’s https://drinkag1.com/sdp. Check it out. Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake oh well that felt good felt good saturday night felt good yeah they won they won they won in overtime in tampa i love reruns now me too hooray me too uh i i just want to say thank you to tampa fans okay because i like kind of made fun of them a little and was snarky and was like oh i love reruns john tavarez scoring overtime winners in tampa never gets old and then i said guys just i'm not used to this please let me just have this and then they did they did oh just like you know what little boy little tiny innocent boy you take this probably uh mikhail sergachev was asked about last season he said it's you know the thing that sticks with him is probably that

they lost and had a long summer and he said that's probably what the Leafs feel every year and according to I remember uh Freed and Merrick sat down and chatted with him too and this is in early September and he said we don't want to be the team that Toronto finally got into the second round uh and they beat the Tampa Bay Lightning um he said they were pissed off by the exit um And so the first quote came right before the game. The second quote came a month ago. And the question was going to be, will the Leafs pass the punk test? The second punk test in a row.

Because you had Paul Maurice making fun of the Leafs beforehand. Oh, it was pathetic. And the Leafs did nothing. And you also had, like, I know Radko Gudis isn't on the Panthers anymore, but you've got to get up for that game. And they didn't. So you had to wonder about this one. and the Leafs played well the entire game.

To quote John Cooper, we've watched that movie before against these guys. They played the whole 60 minutes plus and we didn't. So when the coach is saying it now, I think that's, you know, that's great. But I think we need to start with the first period. Yeah. Well, it may dictate how the rest of the season goes.

So Toronto outshot Tampa 17-9 in the first period. But at one point it was about 12-4 and the Leafs were down 3-1. It was wild. So I know that the goals happen. Every goal happens on a defensive breakdown. So when I was like, well, the defenseman blew it, I'm like, well, yeah. But three goals and four shots for Sergei Samsonov.

Ilya! I think that's the first one. No, it's the second. Well, I caught myself on the first one. So maybe one and a half. All right, all right, all right. Ilya Samsonov. Damn, I'll just never get that out of my head, will I?

No, all right. uh three goals on four shots pulled before we talk about who replaced him and what that means i just want to talk about ilia guys it's it's when the leafs are playing well uh it's a concern when that goalie who they've just locked up to a longer term deal and i know it's six games in no it's only one oh it's one that was just the one year deal but it's three five five is that what it is that's where the three three five like it's uh it's uh it's more than the 1.8 he got last year so basically doubled his salary so i there's lots of time to turn it around but are there some concerning things in samsonov's game that are leading to this so i mean i know

you don't want to get into wool but like they're about the same age right samsonov and wool samsonov i think has one year uh on wool i think what the conversation is going to turn into i've seen enough of samsonov that i don't think he can be a an elite starting goaltender in this league or maybe not elite but like you know top 15 right last year he had a really good season but you got to do it consistently year in year out injuries are a factor in everything joseph wool is still a little bit of the mystery box but that's better than what you get with samson off who can give you really good games he gave the leafs a lot of really good games last year to the point where we were like haha washington

capitals you gave him up for nothing stupid idiots and then he comes to toronto um he has time to get it back but boy really really bad start i'm not convinced he's healthy at all um he has time to get it back but in the meantime he's gonna lose his job he's gonna lose his job as the starting goaltender for this team in very short order uh if he keeps playing like that and wool keeps playing like this and the thing is on the two kucherov goals it's like does george vesna stop those george vesna kucherov plays in this division yeah make some saves so they're they're two great goals and the thing about not having elite goaltending is that it's fine because you look at the last two stanley cup champions and you say oh aiden hill brought them to the stanley cup

champion and then in colorado darcy kemper darcy kemper took me a sec like a good contract out of it too are we sitting here being like you know what those two elite goaltenders really brought those teams to the stanley cup championship you know like no it's fine in this league the way it's constructed now to have somebody like elia to have somebody like joseph wall and bet on one of those two goaltenders and that one of them will work out during the playoffs and you can have a deep run the last stanley cup final was really sergey bobrovsky versus aiden hill sergey bobrovsky who lost his job multiple times last season and didn't start the playoffs as the starting goaltender no one would have called that even if you had like at the beginning of the

season you're just like uh you're nostradamus and you predicted a vegas florida cup final i don't think you would have had either of those two goalies no and next logan thompson was the starting goaltender for the vegas gold would have thought logan thompson versus spencer night they they things change they go and they trade for jonathan quick maybe you're like oh jonathan quick is his old self again yeah from 2012 i don't know why they would have thought that though because he had been playing like his new self for five years and it didn't happen and their starting goaltender aiden hill is the one who stepped up and did the thing you know so i'm so unconcerned about goaltending and it'll work itself out it's there's a difference between

like elite goaltending like what vasilevsky can provide and give us a fucking save give us and like sammy's at that point like he's not even giving you a save man like league average would be kick ass at this point what's his save percentage on the season sitting oh it's not good it's what what is that his fourth game so it's probably like otherworldly bad like it might start with a seven uh it oh oof 831 830 honestly i'm surprised it's that good now look at his career 913 902 896 919 we know based on the abundance of evidence in front of us that he's nowhere near 8-3-1 bad but you know the season gets mid-season arrives quick you know what i mean he says five games in yeah it arrives it arrived fucking quick for edmonton they're one three and

one and the best player in the world is out of the lineup yeah uh sense fans are calling for pierre dorian to be fired you know it mid-season arrives very fast and joseph wool has played five periods and people are like yep he's the new starter well i i think you know coming in cold and not allowing a goal against the tampa bay lightning is impressive you can't fault people for that and like not just making the saves but like they were ridiculous saves yeah that if he didn't make them you couldn't be like oh wool cost them the game but he made them that's the gig man that's the gig um i worried a little bit that there would be regression in samsonov because again he led the league or whatever he had a crazy season last year in high danger save percentage or

slot save percentage or something you know you fall just a few points in that category you're given up a lot more goals this will correct itself but even if it corrects itself i still don't know if he's the starting goalie of this team anymore even now even now which is fine because you have two because you have two you have a 1a and a 1b that's perfectly fine i'm i i have to admit i'm surprised sammy got four of the first five starts i don't know i don't know if that was the plan that like wool is getting the start tomorrow in Washington they said that was always the plan but Sheldon Keefe sure seemed to imply that he's gonna get more I thought it was gonna be wool uh against the Blackhawks last Monday like I thought that's when a wool would have come in wasn't it was it

I think yeah no wool played against the Blackhawks but they lost oh that was his game I thought it was the next one my bad yeah it was that was his game Sammy I'm sure wanted the game against washington but i think that might be old hat yeah like yeah you know we're moved on we're over and that was a and that's a scheduled start by the way right it's a scheduled start supposed to start but i mean mid-season arrives fast and people are getting impatient including the head coach now keith did say um after uh i think after practice it wasn't even it wasn't even before sorry it was before this game that that that uh they were talking about well when do they think he'll start pushing and he's like oh he's pushing yep so that at least gives you a little bit of a

shot of what the uh the coach thinks um the leafs sort of dominated this game top to tail like you can find you can find me five minutes where maybe they weren't on their game or whatever but when you out shoot a team 50 to 33 um i i guess they got out shot in the second period 12 to 10 some of that score effects because you're trailing yeah yeah yeah but i mean it's a it's a huge differential i do feel like that they they controlled a lot of it and i think uh what was very very interesting after they put together the marner matthews neilander line which looked really good what a surprise um was the nize and domi chemistry that they found um couldn't believe that matt nize got his first two regular season goals um and he you know he scored his first goal

against playoff florida last year um amelie by the way is where he lost his ncaa uh championship was the championship or semis uh forget what it was the final is the final they lost an ot then he goes to toronto plays a few regular season games like two because they couldn't fit him in under the cap or three and then uh and then he goes back and has to play and and you know wins that first round um uh he uh he said this about dome he said he sees the ice really well has an incredible he said incredible sauce that uh that can pass by three or four sticks and then land right on your tape and it's pretty incredible to watch those two goals by the way guys two minutes and 21 seconds apart um wow it seemed like nice needed a goal and it seemed like

domi needed some points didn't it well nice was at least playing well right um domi was not at all like he was a non-factor he's not a good defender and he was not generating shit offensively so it was really really bad and it got to the point where the broadcast is like well he's moving his feet now like they're really grading on a curve and then you know sometimes uh luck meets effort in the middle and uh like he makes that pass to Matthew Nyes it's a nice pass Nick Purbix probably should have had that like probably should have picked it off but he didn't he didn't it gets across to Nyes I it's I don't know why I didn't see this combination like it's a match made in heaven nize is a finisher domi is a playmaker it's kind of great and both can kind of rattle

your cage a little bit i am curious to see how they keep them together and who centers that regularly uh travar is question mark domi question mark maybe domi like that's a it's a really weird one because it's not going to be conf no it's definitely not going to be conf like so does Nylander? Or is it Kampf and Pontus Holmberg does the fourth line? Absolutely not. No. What has David Kampf shown outside of like five

games early last regular season that he can play in an NHL top six? Like, no. Well, what if it's the third line? He can barely play in the bottom six, right? What if it's the third line? No. The third line? In a pinch if people are hurt. Hold on. Nyes and Nyes-Domi-Kampf? You don't like that? No.

No. Just straight up no. What a random that is the sort of line that is the sort of line that would be in oh because i have a side rant for later but um that is the sort of line that would be great in the old video games where they're like you need one of each type of player up front so you have maximum chemistry yeah how does what am i gonna i'm gonna break your heart to tell you that nice domey comp was the line that scored both goals yeah but are you aware of that uh i know camp had a assist on the second he was on for both goals i know he was on for that was the line they were running yeah but what was his

impact on the first one that was the line that was out there you want to roll out a second line with david camp is the center no yeah what are you talking about why would that be the so what's the second line then tavaris is on it knee lander tavaris knee lander and who cares yarn croak yarn I can be talked into it Why are you talking about this Why do you think this is the second line Because my coffee didn't work today So I'm grumpy

This might be a two coffee show I very rarely have a two coffee show What's wrong with Conf Don't be nice My bone to pick with Conf Is just he hasn't been very good And you know what It's Ryan Reeves fault

It's Ryan Reeves fault it's all his fault are we gonna get into that well the fact that uh the fourth line led the uh entire game and expected goals did they really yeah so irrelevant ryan reeves john klingberg are the 80 expected goals five on five that's so irrelevant no it's relevant so what if it's relevant one way it has to be relevant well i just i was getting it and jesse you haven't done this but you can't use expected goals as a reason not to play ryan reeves and then not trumpet it when he when he

when he anybody that needs to stop leads the entire game. Don't do that. Here's the problem with stats in the beginning of the regular season. Like I know it's small. They have to be taken on balance.

Yeah. But but the sample size grows with each passing day and Reese is going to have an 80% expected goals along with Klingberg the rest of the year. But it becomes whack-a-mole. No.

So you're talking about the positive. Yeah. And I'm not going to be like, oh, yeah, people won't talk about how Reese was incredible against Tampa. Like, I don't really care how Reeves was against Tampa. What I want to focus on is people are like, oh, he's been on for four goals against.

I would love someone to point out how any of the four goals are his fault. He's, like, directing traffic against, with Kampf and Greger who are confused because Klingberg misplayed it. Brody blows a tire on one of them. Like, guys, it's, numbers do tell you a story. But we don't need to make things up. we don't need to make things up that we know are based in poo. It's based in poo.

Yes, he's been on the ice for four goals. Well, Kampf was on the ice for two goals, four. Therefore, I think offensive juggernaut. You know what? You know what? As long as we're doing small sample sizes, if that's what David Kampf can do in two and a half minutes, imagine what he could do if you play him half a fucking hour a night.

Let's do it. 30 minutes to Kampf? Yeah. Sorry, is that an unreasonable take based in garbage? Oh, good. Well, won't be doing that anymore. You know what I mean? Said nobody, by the way.

Said nobody. No one ever says, you know what? I've made a mistake. I've erred, and I need to change my way. With the Ryan Reeves expected goals thing, does it take into account that he had one one-minute shift in the third period and that he had a minute and 30 of ice time in the second? which you need to know jesse after the first period the dude played two minutes in like 30

seconds hey jesse uh the thing about it what is his expected goals that is that it's an 80 expected goals does everyone know what a four line i'm sorry why don't we sorry fuck fuck your kutcher off fuck your matthews your nylander your marner uh fuck them all uh ryan fucking reed and john clingberg that applies to the guy there are different kinds of fourth lines and sometimes your fourth line has a little bit more skill on it it's not necessarily specialized but you're able to roll the lines a little bit more okay that's fine that's fine then there are your fourth lines there are a little bit more traditional fourth lines that you roll out there in the first period so they can go and just go insane and skate a million miles an hour

into and through everybody bang and crash and smash against the boards and rag the puck in the defensive end and in the offensive end and just be hellions on ice and then in the third period oh where are they on the bench where they belong what the fuck they're the fourth line this is good by the way because you know we've had for too long uh coaches and and keith isn't one of those guys but the way they played last year they still and in the last few years dubas very clearly wanted the fourth line to be a factor even in the fourth period not coaches which is we had a general manager who wanted to build four lines that could all do something that he saw in his chart and that's just not i don't know that it's not possible but i don't think it's possible with

the stars making as much as they're making and so when you have that situation like with babcock remember you know in the playoffs matthews would only get 18 minutes because we had to make sure that the the minutes were even right and that so so people are asking where the fourth line is in the third period i don't care and people are like well what if they get tired i'm like they're 25 that's isn't that what the trade deadline is for yeah so that you can like you accrue cap space or whatever you manage the cap well the leafs can't do that because they're an ltir well i know but like at some point throughout the season you figure it out so that you can spend like a fourth round pick on someone who will help out your team like um it doesn't need to be lafferty camp

Aston Reese immediately. Because that's what it was in the playoffs. And what did that do? It was pretty good. That was a responsible version of where they went out there and they just banged and crashed and caused hell. Yeah. Achari was out there

sometimes. I'm trying to remember. Because Lafferty would come out of the lineup and Aston Reese would come out of the lineup. But they all played like a traditional fourth line. Dude, it's October. How are we talking about this? They fucking won. We gotta talk about something. We do gotta talk. Well, let's talk about the win uh let's talk about the ot winner from willie and jt uh who are and

sergachev well big assists the the the attaboy attaboy the lightning did not have a shot in overtime did not have a single shot now hagel threw it over the net they had an opportunity yeah but no shot on goal and the leafs dominated well yeah and and you know it's funny they put matthews uh marner and riley out there and i said to my wife i'm like oh man they're in trouble because i know they've been objectively bad in overtime forever they're not great they're not good to start it's and matthew geez could it be not putting out your best players in overtime man we're well you know maybe no dude no dude they're a liability like at times but they weren't this they weren't in this

one we need to talk about what a goddamn barbarian austin matthews has been in every minute of every game he's played he's been amazing it was fantastic he had like a two minute shift to start overtime or something stupid yeah and like he looked fine was that a power play no no that was the end no no not at all somewhere uh where he he was like he was out there for there was like a minute 30 penalty kill yeah he was great sheldon is it's gonna be a challenge now that he's on the penalty kill to like keep his ice time down i think that's the point i know it's yeah but like you can't be i i think as a coach it's tempting to play one of the best players in the world half an hour a night yeah and you can't do that for 82 games like at some point you're

gonna have to manage it a bit this is we've seen him score 60 goals this is the best i've ever seen him play like as a as a complete uh 200 foot player he's he's the tasmanian devil out there he's fucking unstoppable it's awesome the takeaways are crazy that's the thing i'm noticing a lot neutral zone takeaways they can't mark stone level they can't take the puck off them and they're terrified when he's out there on the uh on the penalty kill dude the uh the dipsy doodle he had an overtime where he took the puck and he went between his legs and then he didn't finish like that would uh the jerseys might have like burned to the ground how hot fire that was oh and then mitch going out and doing a spinorama out in front like they were all just playing

around and the least three on three are really fun he's he's battling a bit but i kind of like what i'm seeing out of mitch um he's gonna people are and i think rightfully so not being heard on mitch marner because you know what he's capable of and you could just seal it it's it's bubbling under the surface this is not probably the start he wanted but he hasn't been bad it's just not he's not been his usual dominant self uh and that's okay he'll be fine because William Nylander and John Tavares became the second set of Leaf teammates in the past 30 years to begin the season with five game point streaks and by the way have we do you want to look at do you want to just look at their stats for a second because I don't think people are really given enough to these two

they've been fantastic um uh william neilander five games four goals five assists okay uh john tavaris who people have wanted to run out of town for three years for some reason uh has started the season with two goals and seven assists for nine points i am i'm pretty good right i'm amazed that elite talent can can find ways to put up points the funny thing about those stats is that it feels like it too like when you watch it they seem like they're all over the ice and whenever they're on the ice they're dominating especially willie well he's been fantastic then jt's just sitting there cleaning everything up and and driving play it's they've been just unreal the one thing i want to draw attention to and i don't know if you guys have noticed this uh especially with willie and jt

um is once they've transitioned and then they are entering the opponent's uh offense or sorry defensive zone so when they're on offense um the the back passing doesn't happen until after the blue line now so you know the leafs were famous for back passing at the blue line and trying to find another route yeah this is the thing you hate most about i fucking hated that and they stood all teams have to do is position five guys on the blue line and stand there and you can break that up um well because it would be it would slow you down too and it led to a bazillion offsides i would love to know which team leads the league in offsides i would love to know that i think that's an interesting stat the leafs did it a lot and on rushes too wonder i think you might

actually be able to find that stat that'd be let's super not do it jesse looking but uh but all the same what i'm seeing now is that they've pushed that up a couple feet so the puck carrier carries the puck in and then they drop it and then it creates an offensive opportunity rather than let's throw it back to center and see if we can break in here so maybe we'll have a shot at an offensive break and i think that it's not that you can't do a drop pass at the blue line it's that you can't do it every time yeah so so it's nice to see them trying some new things and they have a new offensive coach that's it seems to be working it basically became back pass uh-oh are they going to enter on the right or on the left and now we're down and it was funny because

it was almost like watching super mario you know when you we go over to your friend's house and they have like mario's got like three lives left whoa got two lives left it's like the leafs it's Like, hey, they've got three players back. Oh, now they've got two players back. Oh, they're down to their last player. They're going to have to make a move now. They're going to have to drive. And it was always funny to watch, and then it worked on, like, a defenseman.

And I just watched, like, you're an idiot. Like, watch game tape. Have you ever seen this? The most predictable team in the league. Like, what the – It worked. I mean, they have a crazy offense, but I think a lot of that's down to the insane talent they have.

Like, you know it's not going to him, right? You know it's – okay. All right. Yeah, sure, follow him. Go ahead. I got offside stats. What do you want? Do you have from last year who led the league in offsides?

The New York Rangers. Really? They had a total of 185 offsides. So Leafs are, what, top 10 there? They are. Let me count it. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. 11th.

Place in total offsides last year. They had 164 instances of going offside. The New York Rangers led the league with 185. That's so interesting because you're looking at the top 10 lists, and you see some really good offensive teams there. And you see really garbage teams there. Well, no. You know what they all have in common, though?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Yeah. It's a big mishmash of the top and bottom teams in the league. I'll read them off. It's the Rangers, Golden Knights, Panthers, three playoff teams. And then four. Colorado, also good in that bunch.

And then we get to the Blue Jackets, Sharks, Blackhawks, Islanders, Stars, Canucks, Leafs. can you tell me who the last place was like who was the best blues the blues reverse order the blues wild coyotes jets flyers sabers are the bottom of the group and lightning are six down yeah and then lightning are there wow that's uh it's really it you can't really draw any conclusions just looking at it i'm sure somebody could yeah yeah right now i don't i don't give a shit um i care i want to know if we look at the offside delta so if we look at from the teams that had offsides called for and offsides called against and what that is, what the difference is there.

The Rangers are 61. The Canucks are 51 and the Leafs are 43. That tells me something. Does it? Yeah. Because the Blue Jackets are next at 40. Well, they're tied with the Leafs for 43. It tells me that the Leafs grew up more at the offensive line

and can't stop defensive entries. Three of the final four teams from 1994. there you go we can't really draw any conclusions because once again it is a collection of some of the best and worst teams in the league so i'm i'm really glad yeah i don't think the offsides are telling a bunch of stories but the the calgary flames are on the other end their uh offside delta is minus 55 which means that the teams against them were called offsides 250 times 15 times and offside 160 for them that's insane yeah okay so fire linesman if you're a see man that delta should be fucking zero for every team should be fair yeah we're gonna call it like

refs do that's actually exactly you know what i called them offside a bunch of times yeah we gotta make it up on the other it's your turn to get an icing i called a couple icings that were a little close and like man that would be really really really really really genuinely stupid right right right it's almost like the way they call it is genuinely stupid man that's so strange that you would say that why would you say something so uh brave let me uh let me just shout out uh morehockeystats.com for all the off-size numbers there what you would want to look up great numbers what you would want to look up is uh i guess uh zone entry success rate i by the way last week after the linesman rant i uh i messaged scouting the refs and i talked about

i said guys is there any way that you guys track how many linesmen fake drop the puck and they were so cool about it i'm like this i'm like no here's how i worded it no one bothers them more than us i realized of course i realized that it's just like i it's a it's a dumb question like let's be honest but i said guys super weird question do you keep track of linesmen and how many times they fake drop the puck i see it all the time it drives players nuts any chance and then i put in brackets i know how ridiculous this must look and they still answered me with a real answer which i appreciated and i'm not gonna i don't think i should just read somebody's dms without asking them yeah but basically he said um uh we don't track because they don't always show

it uh but we that's true uh they said i wish we could see which guys are the more frequent um fakers or which players end up tossed from the dot more they don't that's it they don't face off like tossing stats no i don't they scouting the refs doesn't doesn't doesn't mean that they don't exist yeah yeah but i think that'd be interesting to you which are the guys trying to get the jumper you shouldn't bother people who are trying to do real work with your silly question well i they were nice enough to get back to me so shout out scouting the refs did you see the vancouver giants wore zebra jerseys to honor referees dude like okay it's it's funny it's social media funny does that make sense yeah the picture is really funny a clip of it is really

funny watching an entire game of that i think would be an absolute nightmare i can't believe they wore those for the game yeah so there's a clip of them playing it is legitimately them in referee uniforms playing what's the ref wearing white white so he's wearing a white guy Yeah. You can see him in the corner there. Over there in the corner, he's wearing a white shirt. I need to know more than I need to breathe. What were the penalties in that game?

What do you mean? 10 for Spokane, negative 2 for Vancouver. If there was a reason to get rid of specialty jerseys, this would have been it. Had an NHL team tried to pull this and be like, we're honoring our referees tonight. You know they wouldn't have had a penalty called against them for the next 10 games. So that would be the reason. I got so many tweets about this, and all of them were,

Adam Wilde is punching the air right now. Adam Wilde is so mad watching this. Well, they were honoring the refs, not the linesmen. I want to know what the Boston Bruins are doing playing the Spokane Chiefs. By the way, I got a couple of offended linesmen in my DMs. Actually, it was only like two guys were like, as a former linesman, I agree with you. We didn't really do much.

Dude, Adam, I got to say, Jesse and I were sitting here while you're going off on banning all linesmen and we're like well adam's about to have a bad mentions day and i could not believe the overwhelming support you got well because they don't i don't know if it was overwhelming way more than half there are people on both sides but i think a lot of people saw how ridiculous the idea was maybe people were like i mean who the fuck would get mad at that like it's just it's a really funny the people against it like bess jacali on instagram or or barry hazer is that uh are those guys were they coming in and sticking up that's nice uh larry detman that's right yeah larry detman doesn't like this um

interesting luke fox pointed out that steven stamkos who by the way has been embroiled in the contract situation future leaf uh he said unusual that steven stamp coast was not made available to reporters friday or saturday in advance of the game uh he's been at a traditional go-to interview for these lightning leaf showdowns from toronto contracts up at the end of the year lightning are like we're not really sure we want to evaluate and i think it was free john 32 thoughts that said there's people that would not be heartbroken to see him go two teams in five games

so he clarified that that the quote like on a future episode where he was like I was referring to because of how it was handled last time where they were willing to let it go to free agency it doesn't mean like this time they're okay to see him let it go so it wasn't as

dramatic he downplayed he like walked it back a little still dramatic still a dramatic story fair enough I can't see people disliking steven stamkos that doesn't seem no no it doesn't seem no i think but is this not the second time in five games that a team has well okay that was bedard and bedard wasn't allowed but bedard was made available the day before or something yeah he talked on sunday yeah also talked to sean mckenzie before the game yeah that's that's different the conor bedard stuff he was made

available then they had a day of the game he was not they had a they had a complete off day because they didn't come yeah but then wasn't he not made available after yeah he after the game uh he was not made available yeah which i don't think was a big deal and then stam coast is made unavailable and like well it's because they don't want it to be a big story tampa does not want that take a pay cut so you want to take a pay cut well it's not you want them to volunteer to make it a big story like you want them to just sign up for hey blow this out of proportion toronto no we want as few big hockey stories as possible no if i'm the tampa bay lightning i say no i'm gonna avoid this situation and i'm giving the option to i'm not gonna sign up for everybody in toronto media to

make this a big thing sounds like they should have spoke to their team captain during the summer they chose not to what we need steven stamkos to come out and do is julian breeze white is a liar and i will never play for the tampa bay or i want to be traded to the clippers yeah that's what happened in the nba and they're just tanking man that tanking that is a great story and do it in china like that was wild dude i woke up to that yeah because he did it over china in the middle of the night i got sleep in my eyes i'm like did i is this a deep thing it was that it was that like a kid's camp yes yeah terry mori is a liar and then i will never play for him everybody's like well he gave me tickets so i better clap better clap for him there's like an applause afterwards

like daryl morey's one of the most liked guys but i can't believe that there was there was you could tell everyone there was like did we fucking just hear that right and so he repeated himself yes but all i'm saying is like i i understand wanting to protect your players i get that um i would be curious how the media members of other markets feel um you know because tampa the tampa bay lightning feel safe making their star players available to you because why you're irrelevant and no one reads you like what what is it what's the problem well they don't want us they don't want it to be a bigger story than well then just no one cover anyone ever well don't televise the games don't you're in show business that's embrace it that's what that the unfortunately the nhl does

forget that and i think you know when we say that it's not because we were trying to target you as a lightning fan it's because every piece of drama should be amplified because it is drama it is and it's going to draw more people in yes right and that's yes i don't know it that's how i feel remember i'm all about like bring on the show let's go remember how good it felt how good it felt in 2016 when everyone's like stamkos he's coming to the leafs he's coming to the leafs he's gonna go he's gonna leave the lightning he's coming to the leafs and then he didn't great story all that build up to and now he's staying he's staying he made the stanley cup final they didn't win and now he's staying to finish the job and then he did twice in heroic fashion

and scored like he had one shift in one of the finals and scored and he scored and now it's a problem that's what what you didn't like it you didn't like that story the first time i think they like the story when it benefits them and if you're pr for tampa you're like nah that doesn't benefit us why would we make him available no and and like listen i'm not like insulting i i know the tampa pr person i i i'm total dick right all right he's uh he's he was crazy enough to give me a marley's press pass wow he was here in toronto in like 2008 wow like so hold on genuinely bad idea are you saying though but thank you the lightning pr guy is a leafs fan uh i'm pretty sure he's not i don't actually know but all i'm trying to say is like listen no one is condoning

a reporter doing something like uh outing a player's medical condition you know like of course the toronto media has crossed the line this is a relevant story it's a relevant story because stamkos made it one by the way in front of cameras the at the first opportunity he had to do so because at camp he wanted to send a message through the media and now and now like you know and you know what this all could have been avoided had julian briswa picked up the phone and said steven we're not signing anyone extension until the end of the year like but he didn't even call him like steve i think what you're asking for is them not to have the option to avoid the media because right now given the option you're you would never ask that pr person to yes go

amplify this story that steven sam goes doesn't want to talk about publicly right now the story that julian breezewell doesn't want to talk about yeah go to the toronto media and talk about that but no since they're given the option right now yeah to to hold them back from the media they're gonna take it it makes sense sure it makes sense that they made this decision what you're asking for is league rules that would say he's not allowed to avoid the media no that's not what i'm asking for i no no i would i would never want a player to be forced to speak to the media right i would never want that what i want is for them to want it you want steven stamkos to want to stir up this controversy again listen i understand i'm trying to figure out what you're asking no no

i i get i get what you're asking um i think i mean as a captain you have to understand this is what you signed up for dude when he went here's what here's what i think steve to back you up when steven stamkos opened training camp with his comments he had to accept the fact that throughout the entire season yes even in toronto you're gonna be asked about it right you have to accept that yeah he gets in front of the camera and says all those things it's not like it's like it's like the bike it wasn't a rumor he came out and said it it's like the bike and the stick meme like you like he stuck the stick in his bike wheel and went oh fucking toronto media you did this What are you talking about?

Right now, the way the rules are in place, he does not have to talk to the Toronto meet. No, he doesn't. Which is totally fine. It's his prerogative, and it's the team's prerogative. So he took that option that was given to him. Right. I see nothing wrong with that.

It sucks. Stay irrelevant and stay at the bottom. Enjoy your cute little pack, McAfee frigging. Oh, gosh. Hockey willikers. Isn't hockey neato? Fucking joke of a segment. And that's not insulting him or the company.

It's insulting the fact that hockey is so deeply, bitterly irrelevant in so many North American markets that they have to even have that. When was the last time you saw anything that was like, here are the rules of basketball? Like, never. Basketball is awesome. Yeah, basketball is awesome. Let me sell you on it. There was a little of that when the Raptors came to Toronto, but that's when they came

to Toronto. They weren't a 100-year-old sports franchise spectacle like the NHL is, right? Also, Swifties are doing a great job explaining NFL to other Taylor Swift fans. Other Swifties. They're doing an amazing job. I'm straight up learning. Yeah. I'm straight up learning football because of Swifties.

Yeah, the more she attends the games, the more Swifties that become NFL fans. By the way, he had an unbelievable first half yesterday. He did? Who has him in the football pool? I've learned that his, I think it's, what is it? yards per game have like doubled since they started dating publicly ridiculous or something all i'm saying like listen i understand i perfectly understand the lightning and sam coast not wanting wanting to put themselves in uh in front of steve simmons in front of i

you know that's that's what you're off taking a saturday night to go down to the leafs game i don't think so but like i think he's getting his gotcha quotes and i think i don't think he goes every game no i uh he writes i doubt he's on the road he might be i doubt he's on the road but yeah but i think i'm getting cut everywhere but i just feel you're a star player in this league you're a captain in this league and if they ask you about a relevant story uh thank your lucky stars that there is one it's show business it's show business like what like imagine every time the leafs lost um like the the you know the season they finished last they're just like all right we're just not sending anyone out there because what if what if you're mean to them what

the fuck you gotta sell tickets what are you talking about and and toronto does i mean this was in tampa but toronto does hold people accountable for that uh like the the closest thing i could think about that was salute gate when apparently the leaf said we're not saluting the crowd because they were mean to us and then they skated off and then the media asked them about it and uh they none of them would talk about it and then because it was like it was like the where that team was a win team for sure yeah and uh and then uh the next game and forever after they fucking saluted the fans it was stelic i think he went on the air and he was like look at this yeah look at this they did this on purpose and it became a thing and like i want to look it

was crazy i want to get a documentary done on salute gate like give me 20 minutes on what the fuck happened man interview everybody well and like listen i understand you know people are throwing jerseys on the ice they're throwing waffles on the ice they're you know sending mean tweets and everything but how dare you intentionally spurn the fan base the paying like the the paying cost the people watching at home the 20 000 people who made their night you and oh you won like one or two out of five games fuck you like like in retrospect fuck you like for doing that i understand where the feeling comes from but like like in any other industry can you do that no like you you think uh you know adam got

treated super nice at shopper's drug mart every day you know or like yeah at the zoo at the front and flip off customers yeah like hey although although that i don't know i would go to that shopper's drug mart just just to get flipped off because i think it'd be funny yeah i can't i oh man i think back to all the times when i was at the toronto zoo wearing my little apron full of money at the camel ride and i was like sir can you fucking relax sir that's like can you stop being a dick like you know what i got you there's value to having a real job there you go there you go um i i want to move on to a couple of quick things before we move off of the leafs uh leafs get their first win without a matthews hat trick whoa i didn't

even notice that yeah good for you you love that stat uh fraser minton was a healthy scratch yeah The rumor is if he goes back to the Blazers, which he will, he's expected to be captain. So it might be time to send him back. Yeah. But hang on to that thought. The reason I feel like they're holding off. The reason I feel like they might hold off for a few more weeks. Is it a salary?

No. It's a... Listen, if it was a salary, they could figure it out. They have Brandon Pridham. It's Nicholas Robertson, who has three goals and three assists in four games with the Marlies. Oh, fire. and got wrong i wanted to talk to you because you guys talked about on friday like what that third line should look like and is you know who should how should it look and whatever

and this is before nize and domi matched up and we'll see if they get you know launched together tomorrow against washington domi camp uh sorry did i say maybe no i'm just saying that's the best third line of the business he's making fun of me oh okay and he should he should he's right But would, and I'm going to propose this, Nyes, Domi, Robertson not be a fun third line? You put a playmaker with two finishers and you shelter them? What's the average height? Oh, God, that's a good question.

Well, okay, you have a smaller line to the National Hockey League. Aw, Nyes is like 6'2". Yeah, and then you get Domi and Robertson out there. Yeah, but Domi is like 5'10", but he's a tall 5'10". Adam, you've met him. 5'10"? What? i was just trying to look it up and i uh i searched it okay and one of the things that i

can't do in my head is i don't know what 1.75 meters looks like oh i so i wrote max domey feet oh no oh what are you talking about what are you talking about 510 max domey is max domey's five seven so there's a bunch of pictures adam i'm sorry i was trying i'm trying to move on from max domey's feet there are results i want you to know that like somebody has categorized these and tagged them so is it the trump socks no it's not it's not the trump okay cool um yeah nick robertson uh uh six point and i wonder if they're like let's get because he was he was interviewed uh a couple days ago and i think it was was it nick barden that had it I think it was where he was saying like,

they're using me in every situation and for a guy that's had injuries and COVID and all the other things that he's had and had a real close call. He got hit high. Oh yeah. Yeah. And, and thankfully he's fine and back on the bench and everything. If you get 10 quality games out of him and he's got 15 points in 10 games,

do you not give it a shot at the November for the Leafs? And like for as much as I want him to develop and play games in the AHL, I don't have a stat to prove this, but I'm pretty sure that chicken shit plays per capita is higher in the American Hockey League. Yes. So the risk of him getting hurt there, I think, is greater, believe it or not.

I would love that line. I think it'd be neat. I think that's why the Leafs had guys like Rich Kloon and Ross Johnson. I mean, wherever Lou goes, Ross Johnson's got to go. They have a pretty tough team down there. You have to. You have to have a tougher team in the American League

than you would have in the NHL. It's just the way it works. right because guys are trying to get jobs and they're targeting the best players yes the chicken shit plays per capita like not every market even has like the broadcast quality to like uh review plays properly yeah like for suspension jesse do you have something there that you hockey reference uh said nick robertson is 5'9 domi is uh 5'10 and then um matthew nize is 6'2 yeah average is out to about six feet robertson's not that small like i've met him He's pretty thick.

That's okay. He's a cool spreadsheet, though, man. He's broad. He's broad. Yeah. I have no worries about that line. Nye's trucked a guy against... Was it against Tampa?

He smashed someone. It was really good. I don't think it was Saturday. Was it Saturday? It was either the Florida game or the Tampa game. Yeah. It was one of those games. No, Nye's a big dude.

Yeah, I'd give it a shot. You'd try that? There's 82 games! That's so many games! Let's say they're going to take a defensive zone face-off. Could you not switch out one of the wingers for Jarnkrok for just that face-off? You got to bait Omi, the center we want,

driving the third line. Sometimes it's the center you have. It's him or Holmberg. Pontus didn't look out of place. He didn't play a lot, so you can't really judge his game on Saturday. The home dog looked good. He didn't play.

They seemed pretty outspoken about how much they didn't like him in the preseason. But they liked his, but Keefe was on record saying how much he liked his game against Tampa. And he didn't play that much, Jesse, you're right. But he was like, I thought he was really strong. So, yeah, it's a confusing one. I mean, I think guys are going to get looks, right?

I think they're going to try a lot of players just to see how they play. Bobby McMahon, I wouldn't be surprised to see up with the team. Who's out again, by the way. um but nick robertson is probably first up how into ag1 is jesse blake well he's wearing a lewis hamilton shirt yes and and lewis hamilton is a proud drinker of ag1 there you go myself i also uh we've never talked about this on the show i signed an ag1 bottle at our most recent live show you did oh he did one of our listeners brought their ag1 bottle and i signed it for

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because that is a very, very tough thing. Of course. And those hit without warning. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, that's horrible. I had to bring it up because it broke while during our Leaf segment. Yeah, of course. But now I've got to do a hard right turn into the Edmonton Oilers.

So I apologize for this. That's the way it goes. We don't have transitions in podcasting the way they do in broadcast. But Connor McDavid may miss the Heritage Classic. um sounding pretty likely yeah out one to two weeks with an upper body injury it seemed to be either a hip or like something where you flex it looks like it's an oblique ql oblique or yeah so um what now want to get to the oiler part above the belly button like is that i don't know yeah i don't upper body's got to be just waistband i would think waistband yeah there you go yeah not

Not a belt. For me, it's a waistband. Dr. Adam. No, but I'm looking at this and there was actually, apparently there was somebody on a local oiler station who was like, well, they, you know what? They would be smart to just delay the Heritage Classic. And they're not wrong.

I would vote for that. If that was a public vote for every Canadian, could you delay the Heritage Classic until Conor McDavid comes back? I would vote yes. It would pass. It would pass. It would 100% pass, you're right.

What's wrong? Do it. that game is not going to be the same without him now um there's some interesting wrinkles with this because i want to start with and i'm going to send you the uh the audio here jesse um i don't know if you guys saw the first intermission interview between scott oak and evander kane second second intermission someone did a podcast on this um second intermission again can we play this i i highly doubt it oh yeah because it's not press conference is it yeah sorry my bad you're right we can't um so basically uh Evander Kane said well I wasn't playing much so I got into a

fight and figured I'd sit in the penalty box now he had been dropped to the third line but I'm thinking with McDavid's injury you got to think that Leon Dreisaitl moves over to center and Evander Kane is all the way back up where he wants to yeah by default Evander Kane is going to get what he wants he played three minutes in the first period and he was not happy about it so he went out and fought I mean like I don't I don't know if I've watched enough Oilers hockey this year to go he's been super bad but i've seen oilers fans talking about not liking his game okay but also that putting him on the third line is insane yeah so it doesn't remember i said mid-season arrives quick really feels like mid-season in edmonton the coach is on edge right goalies can't make a

save evander kane is clearly pissed off you see leon dry sidle yeah so i'm gonna get i am gonna bring that up i have intentionally not watched that clip okay so i can watch it here so the first thing i'm gonna do is i'm gonna send jesse the clip of what happened on the ice to lead to the leon dry saddle clip okay interesting now you saw this goal uh duane from uh duane steinel from buffalo said i can hear steve dangle screaming while watching this have a look at and i guess we can freeze frame it i don't have you seen this goal yes i have i don't know i don't know what thought process don't know what skinner's doing not sure what nurse is doing but i feel for nurse because what's he supposed to do with skinner out nurse is chasing down the puck and like the

screenshot that we have right there is him changing course because he's like oh i guess stew's gonna get it and by the way i'm just gonna throw this out there if you're listening to this the oilers were up two to one they were out shooting the jets 25 to 17 it's two minutes left in the second period so you're going they're on the power play and they're on the power play and you're going to the dressing room with a feeling really good about yourself and stuart skinner decides to skate out past the center i or sorry not center ice skate out past the uh the face off dot in his own zone to face off against vlad namestnikov who does have has to have he has some hands namestnikov yeah but like no that's ayah follow that's ayah follow namestnikov cleans it ayah follow comes

around the net and then he bounces it off of namestnikov and it goes in the better better better hands then i there are a lot of goalies who hate when i talk about this and they hate the if you're a goaltender 10 the goal thing i understand the value in goalies playing the puck but this is like a really low percentage play man like nurse is if he's not going to be first on this he's going to have enough of the player he's defending that he's going to cut off the angle and it should be an easy save for any goalie it just made no sense to make that decision no i don't know that i don't understand it like and to me this feels like uh he was mentally not paying attention and he thought that puck was coming faster than it was i think so you know when you snap too when

you make a bad like snap decision because you weren't engaged that to me is the goaltender just not watching the game close enough and that happens that's human nature it happens sure but what are you doing yeah and and i so so nurse has to make a decision i don't know who's high up uh in this in this particular bush i'm not sure but he's not exactly striding that's a glide well are they like well i might as well stay here who's he got what where's who's gotten a mess in the cough nobody they shouldn't be playing defense right now they should be right but he's probably like all right i'll get the puck once skinner uh bats it away i it's i don't i don't get the play man so jesse can you freeze frame it at the goal whenever the goal happens or is

it possible to do that not quite um scored no i'm joking oh dear it's just a there's a lot happening there dude right what are you doing and you got two oilers at least at the net trying to defend it what are you doing no i just i skinner looks ridiculous yeah goalies hate the if you're a goaltender 10 the goal thing some of them love it what wait hold on people hate criticism well like i'm shocked i you're so rarely helping you know what i mean right you're so rarely helping and i understand wanting to help it's good to want to help but what percent of those plays pay off here's what risk reward is not there it's an unforced error that's the thing about it like it's completely if you just play it straight where you stay in your net and and you let nurse try and

make a move on the puck and you play it there it's not a goal and that's why this is a literally a goal that's direct result of you making a poor decision and that's it tied the game and led to you losing it edmonton should have been up three over time that's the point edmonton should have been up three to one this allowed winnipeg to come back and they and they won like we would have forgotten about three one sorry you mean two one no edmonton should have been up three one because they were on the power play they were expecting to take a chokehold league here but instead they let winnipeg back in the game you're projecting that they score on i'm saying expecting to score if you're the oilers you're expecting to score two and a half to one let's meet in the

middle all right guys i hate seeing you guys the point i'm trying to make is the oilers are good on the power play yes is that hard is that are we am i stepping up a free take no give him i feel like no here's the thing if you have if skinner stays in his net at worst that's just a defensive zone face he puts it off like the side of the net yeah like and it's not going to be a good shot the jets are off at the end of a power or end of a pk they're tired you could have turned that around very quickly and and instead you've let them in the game and you go into the second intermission where your coach was going to give you compliments and then he is probably going to lose his fucking mind.

And when you're playing like this at home, or when you're playing like this, I should say, the way Edmonton has started this season, being at home is like a disadvantage. Yeah, because you hear the groan. And like the goalie's got to know like, oh, and it's me. Yeah, it's a lonely position. It is a lonely position, but it's not just we coughed it up.

oh it was me everyone's watching me now jesse we do have to be lonely we have the leon dry sidle audio one of my favorite stats about um the oilers this season so far is that they have yet to score a goal in the third period this is a team that also won a game six to one versus nashville like a week ago and they still haven't scored in the third period wow so that's why i'm reluctant to give them any kind of goals here because they're heading into the third there. That's fair. When do they play the Leafs?

No, here, we'll fix that. When do they play the Leafs? Yeah, that'll change. You want Leon Dreisaitl after the game? Yes, please play. What do you say to Stewart after he went out to challenge that puck that went around the boards?

What do you want me to say to him? Made a mistake, like, big deal. yeah nothing nothing to say to him we all make mistakes that's not that bad a question i think it's leon being pissy he was it's not that great a question i guess but it's not i don't know what i think i think that it's a bit of a gotcha question there's is it there's very little win there except for the the bullshit answer which is listen everybody makes mistakes which he said yes and and we support our guys and and and so i think that that to me it was a question that definitely was like i'm going to try to force you to say

something that i can put in my article tomorrow and i don't blame them for that i yes but see it's it's interesting because again here's i'm so i'm giving the media the benefit of the doubt uh in this one so i understand not everyone is going to agree with this but i interpreted that question as uh you're a leader on this team so what do you say to calm down your young goalie i know he's young himself he's i mean i guess he's not that young in the nhl anymore but you know he made a mistake it's still a tied game you know they they uh they had to do something else after this in order to lose you know what i mean so he's a young goalie he's obviously fighting it and he made a mistake.

What do you as a leader on this team say to him to calm him down or something, but dry side, but he didn't ask that. No, he did. He said, what do you say to Stewart?

You're right. After that, I'm saying how I, and no, that's not how we, that's what play the play. Hold on. Give me a second.

Maybe, maybe I misheard the tone. I hope they never changed Stewart Skinner's picture on hockey DB, by the way. It's hilarious. It's such a good mustache. Never change it. Please.

Good mustache, man. I want, i want to hear him go so leon and by the way that question i believe comes from oilers tv which is internal oh yeah i think that's an oilers tv mic okay let's see well maybe i'm wrong the mic is there but who knows if the question asker is holding it all right what do you say to stewart after uh he went out to challenge no so that the person asking the question isn't with the mic oh okay because the mic is going to get the person oh i see okay you know so the question is being

Yeah, and then somebody raised their mind. What would you say to Stewart after he went out to challenge a puck? I'm talking over this. Here's the question. What would you say to Stewart after he went out to challenge a puck that went around the boards? Steve, that's how we ask the question. What would you say to Stewart?

There's a stank on that question. No, there's no stank on that question. You just said, you just did it. What would you say to Stewart? No, I'm mocking it because it's not what he did. Play it again. One more time. Am I crazy?

No, okay, one more time. Here is the question and how it was asked. It sounds like Ben... Okay, here, get back to Ben Stein's question. What would you say to Stewart? I'm also a little confused about the debate. Does it have... The debate is, does it have stank on it or not?

Does it have stank? I think it's got some stank. That is the question. Stank or no stank? Yeah. Play with us at home. What do you say to Stewart after he went out to challenge that puck that went around the court?

No stank. That feels a little stank. That's no stank. Listen, and there's nothing wrong with some stank, okay? The guy made a clearly, like, a stupendous blunder. And you know what I think is interesting about the way Leon answers this question is that he admits, which NHL players never do, admits that his goalie made a mistake.

Wow. When do you ever hear a player say goalie made the mistake there? It's true. Ever. So the question's a good question because it did get him to answer that. You never see that. and you're on it had stank it had stank and that's and there was a mean to an end i don't know and i'm not again please don't take it as i'm attacking the reporter for god's sake we don't even know who

it was i don't even know who it was i'm sure a really nice person with a great family so are we all uh i i'm just saying the question had a little stank on it own the one more time why do you think do you think leon just reacted that way for no reason all right this time i'm gonna play it with I'm going to play it with the reply as well So stank or no stank Play with us at home Play with us in the comments Stank or no stank

What do you say to Stuart after He went out to challenge that puck that went around What do you want me to say to him Made a mistake Like big deal Yeah nothing Nothing to say to him We all make mistakes

i mean i think i'm leaning towards no stank oh there's stank on let's go two to one democracy well you know no one's ever elected the wrong person no never um uh let so so the oilers have let in through this is through five games do i do i need to qualify this anymore no we're all aware that it's only been five games but do i need to be have 40 people on twitter tell me every time no there's there's more than 70 games left in the season all of this could be irrelevant right every team that's really good right now every team that's really bad it could all flip on its head guess what though it's relevant right now which is when we're doing the show yes this

is so if we did one podcast a year it would not be relevant but we do 139 okay so um we do it's like 139 or something it's not even 140 it's some bizarre number okay um who has so the oilers have let in the seventh most goals in the league so far who has trivia let in the most gentlemen damn it might be the leafs um could be the leafs they haven't really gotten their asses kicked though i'll say the leafs because it's funny the leafs are one two three ninth in goals they're 19 and 19 goals four goals against they're even okay they're the only team in the nhl that appear no they're not what is the number of goals the number of goals is 30 holy

shit they've they're averaging five goals against yes i got two guesses and i'm in between them okay we'll make them both washington okay good guess good guess i'm gonna i'm just gonna stick with washington no give me your other one though my other one was as good as my other guess i was between Seattle or San Jose. Oh, Seattle. I'm going to do Seattle. I'm going to do Calgary. So on Washington,

let's stick with Washington, it's a good guess because Washington has let in 15 goals, but they've only scored six. So they're dealt a nine. They've only scored what? Six goals in four games. Oh, they only played four.

That is bad. Now, your other guess was the Kraken, Jesse. Yeah, because they have a tough start. Again, a really good one because they are a negative 10 in goal differential. They've scored 11, let in 21. But that is only good enough for just three spots ahead of the Leafs. So they're about sixth. Wow.

So 30 goals in six games. Who done it? San Jose? Not at San Jose either. San Jose is just ahead of the Leafs. I feel like Calgary's allowed a bunch of goals. They have the third most in the league. Oh, shit.

23. The second most in the league are the Tampa Bay Lightning with 24. Wow. I think they just played more there. They got six games. So does the Flames, and so does the team that's number one. Okay. No, but I mean in terms of Seattle and Washington.

They're at like four. Nope, Seattle's at six. Oh, Seattle's at six too? Yeah, Washington is, I think, one of the only teams at four, along with New Jersey and Montreal. Who's the one that killed someone recently? Was it Columbus? No.

You ready? Yeah. It is the Carolina Hurricanes. What? Yeah. I didn't think you'd get it. I don't know. the most goals in the league 30 goals against 28 goals for they are three and three wow

isn't that crazy score your problems now that's how irrelevant that stat will be because you know that that's going to change the first 10 games it'll figure it out yeah wow isn't that nuts yeah wow i never in a million years they might have been if you were steve you get 32 guesses i think they might have been my 30 i it's what i thought too i'm like are you fucking serious yeah But I guess it's been a bit of a rough Maybe they shouldn't have lent Kachek off to the crunch Yeah maybe You know what

Maybe soon they're going to say it's crunch time And they're going to call him up With the Leon thing too Leon's probably a little even more annoyed Because he was the direct It was his fault that the overtime goal went in I don't know if you guys saw that The Shifley goal

It's a coin flip It's three on three whatever like you can't really take too much away from it but the reason the goal went in was leon made a little mistake there i'm not criticizing dry saddle like i i think it is a lot to expect players to be their best selves um after an overtime loss you know and they immediately stick a microphone in your face i do not envy any player having to do that i think they should have to do that you know jesse would it have made sense for the oilers to protect him in that situation Were they given the option?

If they were given the option to avoid Mark Spector and his questions Maybe they should take it No, I think anytime there's a player I don't know if Mark Spector asked any questions He might have a bad time I think you go, here you go little baby Here you go

Lots of millions to be A very public person I don't know if you know this Steve, but this is a players podcast And we're about the players I'm always going to sound like the players In every situation Give him credit. He spoke to Scott Oak.

I will absolutely give him credit. Jesse, I sent you two things. The second thing is the one I want you to bring up as we move off of the Oilers, because they'll figure it out. I have zero doubt. I think so. But listen, as long as they haven't figured it out,

it's a story. I know they will, but it's a story. The NHL had its first player defy the Pride tape ban, which is where we're at right now. this is the wow look we now by the way league rules state that you can wear any color tape that you want travis german always wore pride tape and has worn it again um and and yet they've banned pride tape even though pride is all the colors of the rainbow hence the idea and he didn't make like a big i am wearing pride tape because i am an ally god damn it he just wore it and played

yeah the the band made no sense because it says in the rule book you can wear whatever tape you want you know that's the first so which takes precedence and so what does the band do and second thing i'm gonna order a travis dermot jersey because when uh the first player who decided not to participate in the warm-up jersey stuff their jersey sales spiked so i'm gonna do it on the opposite end and we got travis dermot oh there you go get the kachina yeah the kachina is the best jersey in the league and i want it's hot it's hot um greg wischinski uh he's been told by the Arizona Coyotes that they have not been informed

of any NHL punishment to Travis Dermott or the team for using pride tape on Nick. That was yesterday. Was told earlier by the NHL

not to anticipate anything from hockey ops on the matter anyway, yesterday, maybe something today. But they had the opportunity to reverse this.

And now they have to go against their, well, one player and their own rule book in order to enforce it. And I can tell you this,

the NHL PR team is quaking in their boots because if they have to oh if they have to enforce and put out a press release that says we have fined or we have sanctioned or we have this when it has when it comes to pride tape it's going to be a disaster and the nhl knew that and knows that and they need to find and from what we've heard anyway they're looking for a way to gently back off of this so they don't lose faith face the problem is that it is such a thorny issue as in there's a very easily right side and wrong side to this uh there's it's very hard they put themselves in a position it's very hard to step back from this and still look like they know what

they're doing as though that or they knew what they were doing when they put the ban in place which they didn't that was to me like the specialty night jerseys is a separate thing Like Berkey said on Agent Provocateur, I don't agree with it, but I could see it. A lot of us understand where it comes from. The Pride tape thing is like... No one asked for this. By the way, tape's not a part of your uniform either. Even people who are like, keep me out of sports.

No one asked for that. People who have believed for years that sports were never political. I've been to the... I just wish... I miss the days when sports weren't political. Never hearing of Jesse Owens. Never heard of Jesse Owens. never muhammad ali never jackie robinson no none of it never never ever i miss those days i miss

those days that never fucking happened but like i no one in the deepest darkest corners of your mentions asked for this no ever yeah and the tape too and the tape too though i never and i never saw it it was it was such a non-issue and they created one you know what you could have done fucking nothing you could have done the jersey thing and people were willing to be like whoa i don't like that darn it i don't like that but i at very least understand because you fucked it up so bad last year so i at very least understand and with the pride tape you could have just i don't know it's fucking tape just leave it some executive had a bad idea and it went way too far and they didn't even double check it no with the rule book like well so based on

their rules so like so wait wait now let's pretend derma gets fine for this okay he won't yeah but let's let's pretend okay so he gets fine for pride tape you had the rule up where they're allowed to have any kind of tape they want yeah so what if oh okay i can't use pride tape but uh i just so happen to uh want to use one purple strand yep and one blue and one green strand and one yellow strand and one you could just make your own what are we doing silly just leave it how many players league wide like even used it previously like dermot is literally just going about his life as he usually would because he used it and then continued to use it and that's it that's it's i cannot believe well sadly i can but i can believe the nhl uh really made a meal out of this uh so

we can expect kind of more of this coming even this week the arizona coyotes have pride night on friday so i was confused because i thought the canceling of the jerseys included canceling of theme nights i was under the impression that no nights were shut down but yeah theme nights can keep going and the first one of the season is friday uh where it's pride night in arizona so we're gonna probably see a handful of players have pride tape and we're gonna have this all over again and the nhl is gonna realize that hey this was terrible and we can't do anything about yes and the band's not real no so i'm gonna i'm gonna be looking out and see what happens after the Kings kind of these games on Friday.

So here's the thing too, Jesse. If the Knights were really banned, which they didn't do, but you know, then why when I watched the Tampa Bay Lightning Leafs game, am I watching 40 guys from the military come out for the national anthem?

And by the way, I'm not against it. Not against it at all. But if that's really the ban, what if the Tampa Bay Lightning had brought out 40 people from the 2SLGBTQ plus community to sing the national anthem? Tampa?

There would have been, people would have been apoplectic about it oh i know but tampa maybe more than any other market in the states is really good you know um stand on guard for the okay whatever okay the anthem's over and now the real anthem and they bring it here's we have a dozen flags and people in uniform and and they yeah then it is a real it is a little disrespectful because in every other arena if they're gonna have soldiers or whoever else they have come out um they do it for both anthems but tampa's like fuck your anthem well only us canada i believe there's a military base nearby too yeah it's really important the community i'm again i'm not denigrating it no no no i'm saying there's a

little bit of a standard here issue i mean the blue jays will do the american anthem and then be like here's a canadian flag the size of a basketball yeah and we're gonna pass we're the only fucking team in the league okay we deserve that flag it is every you know what man like in 2023 it's still it takes a lot to impress me but every opening day jay's game or canada day jay's game i go holy shit look at the size of that flag it's incredible where do they hide it how do they I don't know. How do you fold that? It must come apart in pieces.

No, I think it's got to be one piece. Really? Yeah, look how beautiful it is. It flies. Can you imagine if it was like four pieces in Velcro? It's a windy day. It snaps. How impossible.

Oh, shit. Several people get flown out of the arena. For the longest time. It's like, what do kids play in kindergarten with the parachute? Oh, I know. I know. I know. I know.

so for the longest time we were talking about a serious issue the mlb does july 4th hats so they have the like american flag or whatever and the hats and the jays always get one for the longest time they would just do like the american flag with the jays logo on it and then finally like in the last like half decade they've started incorporating the canadian flag into the july 4th hats and you're like oh that makes sense there you go they have no relation still not our day i'm cool celebrating the united states day yeah but if we got to celebrate that you got to celebrate canada day which is three days before everybody's wearing red jerseys everyone those ugly ass buddy red blue jays jerseys no we're the blue team but now we're the red team no i don't

like the canada jay jays jerseys they're not the best they're not no i could be better can can we just not play a red team that day yeah when it's like the socks yeah can we can we just play the marinade and the jays at cincinnati yeah yeah 100 no the brewers aren't like on the road or something why do we gotta no no steve interleague hasn't started yet um got it anyway so anyway good for travis dermot we'd love to see some more players come out and do it um and and frankly we'd love to see the nhl just go here's here's the best way for the nhl to back off this and and not lose face just let it be no you know what we took it too far we screw it up our bad yeah they don't want to do that gone never think about it again the tape's fine see yeah you know what we took it

too far we did it in the interest of x we apologize to the communities that affect you on huh oh not not even oh okay i was like you know fill in the space ah i only know x is i love by the way the emails i get for twitter x bracket formerly twitter because you know that spam would uh spam is going to cut out anything that with an x in front of it right because of xxx so elon naming it x they have to say formerly twitter otherwise the spam filters on gmail are gonna be like yeah no you're not getting yeah the only thing that doesn't have an x in it that does have an x in it is poor yes like the only thing on the internet that has x's in it for the lulz bro it's ridiculous anyways also they've started putting you know when they have um

team social media in the in the ice they've started putting the x and i've noticed the twitter one that started to stop it yeah oh yeah that's what it's called it's no you're not my real dad you're not my real dad i will go to blue sky i swear i want yeah anyone got a code everyone's got a code yeah stop it over at blue sky we have a ferrari bed that's where jack is that's dad right at dad's house adam please tell me you have seen the tiktok trend where the guy opens cards and he's like all right we're gonna open a new pack of divorced dads oh no i haven't no you send that to me that'd be very i will there's several now i love that i do like all the the divorce dad in the car in 2004 tiktoks have you seen those and it's like oh yes it's like stain and nickelback

and you know uh creed and all those bands puddle of mud my dad puddle of mud just just listening and then it's like my dad you know coming back from hockey after you know my divorced dad listen of this like oh that's funny blink 182 is playing the rogers center the alexis on fire is opening for them sky don't you guys want to go uh yeah i would go to the alexis on fire is opening up for blink 182 at the rogers of course they are blink is like a i would like to go to that yeah your dad want to come yes no but i'm a dad now and i want to go his dad would come his dad would come my dad would come and be like i don't know any of these songs but i'm gonna tell you about how good or bad the drummer is.

Oh, there you go. And the drummer's amazing. Yes, he is. Alexis is apparently incredible live. I've never seen him. I saw them at the El Macombo and I got knocked out of my shoe. Oh, my God.

The El Macombo, you don't mess around there. I got my ass kicked and some guy made like a, like he was a big guy and he made like a dome over me to like save me from getting trampled. I got knocked on my shit.

Yeah, if you're not ready for a concert like that. I was not ready. I thought like a mosh pit was like a circle of people, but no, it was just the floor. That's right. It was the entire floor. Entire floor. I was young and foolish.

Can you guess the name of the Blink-182 tour? One more time? Or back again? Or something like that, right? No. I'm close, though. Right? Is it after one of their songs, or is it just like making fun of themselves?

Like a bunch of old farts. You get no guess. Blink Age of 182. Rock hard tour. hilarious that's very them let's go anyways it's very them okay the NHL has released finally

something for the fans and I have to give them credit and I rarely do but I must because this is something fans have been asking for for at least a decade and it's so nice that they got around to it NHL edge NHL.com slash edge you're gonna be able to use and remember

we were talking about the chip that is in the pucks now steve that you swore wasn't there nah no i'm a puck truther i'm a puck truther uh so happened so basically all the stats that are available on the nhl broadcasts are now going to be available on nhl edge so that was only made available to the broadcasters now every single person who watches the game can have their second screen on nhl edge great um among the stats that the site will publish maximum skating speed skating distance shot speed scott shot save and location puck zone time um which is puck possession um the technology has yet to produce puck on stick

player possession numbers for public consumption um but that would be more difficult that would be more difficult for sure uh so long story short seems like kind of a step in the right direction is it going to tell you that ryan reeves has the highest expected goals against the tampa bay like no it's not no i think um but it's a start i think the razzle dazzle like that'll really interest people is like the top you know shot speed and top uh skating speed and all that that's gonna bring people in the the big one to me is shot location and the the way they divvy up that chart and you're gonna see where guys pepper shots on from and you'll be able to be like well who weren't you didn't you scout this guy he always shoots from there come on you know stuff

like that yep um i did see some cynics saying you know oh people are going to take all the wrong lessons just fast equals better just let people enjoy stuff guys not everybody not everybody's dom decision like it's okay to just get it and not that dom wouldn't get a kick out of this but dom's a very educated stats person yes not everybody needs to be dom some people can be like wow the fact that mcdavid shot that at 46 miles an hour that's crazy like how about how much we should stop it that's crazy wow that's crazy that's cool that i saw was like uh adam fox has been he's typically like a slower player like he played but he plays the game slowly that doesn't mean he's slow right but anyone with any any morsel of critical thinking skills

would see that and go oh guess you don't need to be fast to be good you know yeah you don't have to play a billion miles an hour to be an effective defenseman in the nhl let the vast majority of people come to that very obvious conclusion well i think you'd also if you've played hockey you've had the coach every everybody's had the coach say to let the game come to you uh maybe that's what adam fox does maybe that's what he does so it's not as though that isn't out there it doesn't it also doesn't surprise me that a defender would play slower right they're going backwards they're grinding they're i i i think this is a very good thing and we should maybe not focus on the negative it's just more information the only thing that if we want to focus on a little bit of the

negative okay the site is very slow that is not surprising i it's taken a long time to change categories is that an internet thing no the internet's working great in here nope it's not an internet thing so just trying to change so i'm looking at i'm on the nhl edge site right now i'm looking at shot location um i just had it on long range shots and it just changed tells me victor headman is leading the league in long range shots uh so i'm gonna go to mid-range i'm gonna go to high danger victor headman looks really tired yeah i don't know why you look at that tired in that picture looks like he just got off the ice oh my god he's what are they doing to him yeah i don't know what's happening there he's he's man he's been in the league since 2008 was it eight

eight no nine and uh you just get back from nom like why did you play the shitload of game why didn't they take the picture before he played yeah it's clearly like he got off the ice he still has the help you know you get the mark on your on your forehead media day what do you think they take these pictures after games no he clearly had his helmet on yeah he's got a helmet talking about nhl player they all have that permanent line no he clearly just got on his nose is red Hey, why don't you reach out to the Tampa PR guy, who's clearly a Leaf fan. And I will ask. And ask him.

Ask the fucking guy. Jerome McGinley's head was permanently shaped like a helmet. Go look. He has, a lot of NHL players have that line. I know, but it looks like Victor Hedman just got off the ice. You're wrong. He might have. I just tried to go to high danger shots on goal.

We're sitting here. It has not changed yet. We are still sitting here. Oh, there it is. Now it did it. now it's on an austin matthews who leads the league in the high danger shots on goal oh two leafs at the top this this site rules now this site is correct and good i'm gonna try and change categories i'm gonna go to zone time and offensive zone penalty kill dawson mercer stop ruining my

fantasy pool challenge it can't do it we're still here it still hasn't changed it still hasn't changed we're waiting yeah this is pretty change this is a long time to finally got it that's my favorite player steven lorenz we know that steven lorenz leads it now i gotta try and go to a different category let's do teams uh skating distance oh oh they're okay average miles per hour power play actually oh no skating distance is kind of interesting because like by the end of the season you'll be able to see like what teams are kind of wearing themselves out i would oh there we go okay now it's changed so you made that whole sentence in that the site's very slow but i assume hopefully they figured and they did say at the bottom of the article for

greg uh wrote about it that they're gonna tweak some things um speed you know while they say he's gonna kick him in the neck they did say the algorithm for a shot speed will probably continue to get tweaked so it's more accurate um and uh and you know like whatever they're gonna make it better i mean is it is it perfect is it exactly how you you stats person would build it maybe not but it's a step in the right direction learn to code and do it yourself it'd be great there are plenty of sites that do and they're good they're really good sites no just do it yourself um all right guys i want to talk about something else i want to talk about the nhl's wagons yeah absolute fucking wagons through six games not all of them have played six games just to be

are you talking about teams that are really good or big asses no i'm talking about teams that are really good not quite listen they haven't quite earned juggernaut status only cj can bestow that so i i kept saying wagon like to refer to like a really good team or a really good player and someone i can't remember who it was but they kept laughing and i'm like why are you laughing because they're like that means big ass oh and i've never heard wagon used to describe a big ass no it's usually dumper yeah i think i'm gonna have multiple meanings yeah so um like goat goat used to mean you were terrible now it means you're the greatest yes um okay so wagons through the first name a team who's been a wagon in the nhl the red wings vegas golden knights both are right okay so the

vegas golden knights stanley cup final quick guess who leads the vegas golden knights in scoring Jonathan Marcheseau. Okay, Jesse, who do you think? Chandler Stevenson. Chandler Stevenson. Whoa! Seven points in six games. Jesse's paying close attention.

Okay. Someone keeps up with me. All right, all right. How many points does Alex Dobrynkat have from the wagon Detroit Red Wings, who, by the way, are five and one? 11. 10. 12.

Wow! Eight goals in six games. You had a howdy. Unbelievable. Isn't that weird? I bet Ottawa's thrilled. I bet the guy who scores goals all the time forgot. uh yeah so detroit are five and one a couple other ones name uh name a couple other ones the

colorado avalanche undefeated the boston bruins are undefeated that's right now there are four guys on the apps who are at or above a point per game pace the wagon avalanche who would it be mckinnon yes and you both can answer this yes uh macar and drew it no it's um who was their new acquisition from the offseason ross colton no um it's like an arturi lack one um and ranton and his eight and the other guys have six each of them it's a pretty good start pretty good start now i don't know if you've noticed this is hilarious it was like yeah this is the year the balloons are gonna fall off they've started five and oh they they got us they have a second round pick in the lineup from last year's draft it was just like yeah and he scored two fucking

art ross matthew portris i think his name is uh yes sir poetress i think we'll know his name pretty soon and you see him play and i don't know if there's any team in the league who is better at drafting their their players the bruins draft bruins they found one they did now found another one uh the boston bruins have three guys who are the you know the top three guys who have scored goals pasternak with five marshan with four who has three goals zaka okay good guess it's not correct is it see de brusque just sat so i'm gonna say coil james van reams dyke jvr jvr of course that's crazy sitting was interesting that sure what i was just like no nonsense you're late you fucking don't play okay the thing the bruins hate

more than anything like even hate more than the habs tea in the harbour is tea in the harbour and being late for breakfast that was a history reference so i like that oh um here i actually guys i have a question to ask you what is it what is it yeah no they have no nonsense for team meetings you are correct they do um but i i have a question to ask you guys what is happening i got high and texted a bunch of my friends this on saturday don't do that why or no it was on friday night okay don't get high in text no absolutely get high in text thank you so what i said was i got really high and wrote this down okay this is so important if a bostonian was going to say pronghorn how would they say it pronghan pranghan

pronghan no that's or pranghan the second one i thought it was the fourth one i think it's the fourth one say this fourth one again pranghan oh that was in the second one so the second one is pranghan i like that one you do all right all right to our boston listeners How would you, okay, would it be P-R-A-W-N-G-H-A-W-N, P-R-A-H-N-G-H-A-H-N, P-R-A-W-N-G-H-A-H-N, or P-R-A-H-N-G-H-A-W-N? Say the fourth one again. Prang Han. so i was i'm so sorry what is what i was trying to figure out the massachusetts uh accent or the boston accent um because like the you can screw it up and make it new york

yeah you sort of can yeah but um uh so i've heard people call it and i don't particularly like this because it's it is kind of like i i've had a great time at boston every time i love boston we shot at least get shit kicked there and the fans were super nice to us like Like, they were really cool. Our team rules. Yours fucking sucks. Here's a beer. Yeah, 100%.

That's Boston in a nutshell. So they call it the Masshole thing. But the traditional term. I think it's Masswholesome. Masswholesome. There you go. The non-rohicity accent. The non-rohicity.

The traditional Boston accent is widely known for being non-rotic for R-dropping, particularly in the mid-20th century. So when you are doing the accent, you've got to drop the R. that's why so maybe that i think i'm right pong han yeah say two again say two again uh prang han no you're still but i gotta keep the first r they don't have no r right that doesn't make sense yeah yeah boston it's common we need you here according to boston.com and i feel like they would know um uh it's common to hear an r sound pronounced as an l where when i don't know that's according listen are you gonna question boston.com yeah uh i've never heard that ever yeah well that's what they say so i'm talking about the o's and

the ba like that part i you know what i'm looking through it right now the letter r itself is special because it often gets pronounced like a vowel many of the world's languages do not make a distinction between r and l according to a language linguistics expert both belong to a category of speech called liquids it's common to hear r sound pronounced as an l and vice versa i wish you had this to me friday night another distinctive trait of english spoken in and around the boston area concerns the vowel sound uh in many words yes mary mary and mary so mary the person mary as in merry christmas and mary as in to marry somebody oh that's fascinating most most english speakers in the u.s pronounce all three more or less the same many native new

englanders pronounce all three with slightly different vowel sounds isn't that crazy linguistics is kind of do they have do you have more info does it keep going uh about how each of one of those is pronounced that's what i'm so they didn't they didn't get into that but no they didn't spell it phonetically like a high idiot so say hot in a boston accent hot yeah in new england this short o sound will often get changed subconsciously speakers in the region pronounce hot uh where it sounds phonetically spelled out h-a-w-t hot hot right uh bath so you have to broaden the a meaning that the a in bath sounds a lot more like the a in water so water father bath bath bath what the fuck i know it's great i know

so i was playing red dead redemption uh riding my horse through the heartlands and i noticed a pronghorn and i thought how would a bostonian say pronghorn and so i wrote down four options hey by the way if you're a bostonian i would love to hear how you say mary mary and mary because it doesn't go into that one of them's got to be mari i guess yeah because there'd be an irish thing to that mary mary in in england or in irish is sort of how it sounds right yeah anyway and apparently the accent dates back to the 17th century so it's been there been there a while i think the bruins are good the bruins are good and they've been good since then uh the nhlpa is appealing the rasmus anderson hit on patrick lion a um now i want to um i want

to bring something up here because the i have a video on there's a lot of people who are like is this even really a bad hit right well yeah i think there are people out there like the league's got soft or whatever that's a terrible hit it's like no dog in the fight whatsoever it's a calgary columbus game um it's i'm just sending it to me there's there's a negligible amount of difference between Rasmus Anderson's hit on Patrick Laine and Mark Shifley's hit on Jake Evans. Right. Now, if I had to pick which one was worse, Shifley on Evans.

Way worse. But they're the same as in they're terrible, terrible, terrible illegal hits with an empty net for the team of the receiving player. um and in this case there was i think it was less than two seconds left in the game there's very little time left in a two goal game the flames had no conceivable chance of winning this game this is just rasmus anderson trying to get his pound of flesh he jumps directly into liney's brain like he's already off his feet at the point of contact the angle that most people saw is an angle where rasmus anderson like look at that look at that angle that most people

saw was Rasmus Anderson from behind and line A sort of disappears. And people are like, oh, line A is too far down. Look at how far off the ice Anderson is in this shot. It's got to be half a foot. Rasmus Anderson is from the planet Krypton. And that's an elbow. Look at the elbow.

Look at the elbow. I don't know if it's crazy. They're never, ever, ever going to get anything. Like, Gary Bettman is not repealing this. He definitely shouldn't. Now, what I tweeted and some people misinterpreted it is the only argument the calgary flames have against this four-game suspension last season there was not a single suspension that was longer than three games

so this is the longest suspension we've seen in over a year i think the i think if guinea mulligan got six games for something there were a bunch of longer ones in i think it was the 21 22 season um evander kane got a really long one for the covid protocol uh i don't remember exactly which season that was um but this is the worst uh suspension or longest suspension we've seen in over a year um now flames fans i think remind me a little bit of my reaction personally anyway to jason spetz's suspension for his hit on i think it was jake morris morrissey um josh morrissey jake morrissey that felt wrong as i said it yeah sorry josh morrissey of the winnipeg jets and where the way it's similar is you look at the hit and you're like yeah it's

terrible but worst hit in over a year the spetzel one i will forever be salty about because he had a uh a blemish free thousand game career prior to that and then his first illegal hit he was dinged six games six that was repealed down to five what some of the shit that we've seen over the last two three years that that was six in a 56 game season by the way holy shit where did that come it's over 10 of the year it was crazy i think it was that year um it was but and it was on a saturday night you know and audie audie james uh from game over calgary does an excellent job and obviously covers the flames he said exactly what we said at the time which was all right if this is four games then that needs to be the standard across the board yes but we know that the nhl doesn't want

to be held to a standard yeah i mean to me this is extremely black and white audi's right and so are you but i'm just saying it's a bad hit on a star player and you can decide whether or not the star player part matters but it's a bad hit uh in a game that's out of reach yes like how do you view it as anything but intent to injure right now the nhlpa is appealing this and one of the first thing cj sent us is rasmus anderson will be i i think missing something like 91 000 in salary because of these four games that he's missing that is why the nhlpa is appealing it because i mean they're sticking up for one of their members well what about line a line is guaranteed his money for as long as he's out so they don't give a shit well i i think the the pa has to do

that i think they have to i don't blame them they do um who else is going to supposed to represent the players this is their purpose um it's their purpose here's what i found interesting because in mlb uh there was a pitcher who was suspended the other day was he on arizona like garcia not arizona it was against texas it was houston so one of the houston pitchers was because he pegged a guy like just and and god well sorry hit him with a you can't say anything anymore without being sacked no you can't uh max no me feet um through it through it hit hit a big player on texas i forget who it was um you're thinking about brian abreu throwing at uh garcia and abreu got two games two games so here's what he's doing wow he is appealing and it's very likely

that his appeal process lasts long enough that he doesn't have to serve it until next year if he has to serve it at all and and because he gets to play you're allowed to play during the appeal now I remember when Dennis Wideman hit that referee. Yes. And he appealed it. And I think, what did he get, a 20 game or a 10 game or whatever it was? I want to say it was 21 appealed down to 14. Right.

I think that also happened to Tom Wilson. But the season was already over. And so Anderson may still not play these four games the way it works in the NHL. But if it gets brought down a couple of games, then according to, and it's all Gary Bettman that makes the call on this one. It's not long enough to bring in an arbitrator. Then he will get refunded the money, but you still don't get to play. And I think that the MLB way is actually the right way.

That's what happened to Weidman, I'm pretty sure, is he missed the games, but he was owed money. Right. The only thing with the Brady suspension is the appeal has to happen within 48 hours. Oh, it does. Yeah. So this morning, Monday morning, they're having the hearing for his appeal because it's a postseason appeal. Within 48 hours, they do do the appeal. So we'll see what happens.

Even that feels too long. betman appeals take five to seven days that's so bad so anderson's gonna get to play in the heritage classic well i think so yeah yeah all right well i mean listen they shouldn't do it if he's not going to be there like i think they should jesse wouldn't you not vote yeah no if canada had a vote if justin trudeau said hey everybody gets a vote on whether we move the heritage classic i would vote to move it so anderson can play solely on behalf of him um i thought i thought this is a good time because the first time this year that we can bring our best friends at the

Department of Player Safety to the show. We have our shirts that are in sdpnshop.ca if you want to get a shirt that says high-sticking history because that is all they use to determine suspensions. We can listen to it. We can't show the footage

because it is NHL footage, but we can listen to the NHL Department of Player Safety's decision on why they suspended Rasmus Andersen for four games. They're back. That intro's so good. It is good. Friday night in Columbus, Flames defenseman Rasmus Anderson

was assessed a major penalty and a game misconduct for launching into a high, hard check. It's so bad. To Blue Jackets forward Patrick Laine, that makes significant head contact, causing an injury. Good Branson doesn't fuck around, eh? With seconds left in the game with the score out of reach, Laine collects the puck from a teammate

as Anderson tracks from the neutral zone. As Laine sends the puck down the ice towards the empty net, Anderson launches upward into Laine, elevating unnecessarily and making significant contact to Laine's head with his elbow, causing an injury. This is charging. No shit. It is important to note that while we acknowledge Anderson's argument that Laine is low as he sends the puck down the ice, this is not a case in which a sudden movement by Laine turns an otherwise legal check into an illegal one. That's a chicken shithead.

Line A is low as Anderson approaches the hit, and Anderson still chooses to elevate into the hit, launching off the ice through contact rather than staying low and making contact with Line A's core. It is this unnecessary upward movement that causes Anderson's elbow to drive into Line A's head with force. This launch, the force of the hit, and the game's circumstances under which the hit was thrown combine to elevate this hit to the level of supplemental discipline. Watching it this many times, it should be long enough for it. This is charging. Line A suffered an injury on the play.

Anderson has been fined once during his 382 game NHL career. The Department of Player Safety has suspended Rasmus Anderson for four games. Get that on the screen, Matty. The key points. They changed it.

They changed the key points graphic. Our hoodie is no longer accurate. So we need to update it. We need to update the hoodie. But this is so boring. It's just white with black. It's just the NHL logo in the back.

They also changed the Department of Player Safety logo to look more like an FBI logo. They have a new logo this year. I don't like the changes. I like our old design. Let's bring it to the FBI. Yeah. Yes.

I think it should have been more. I don't think four games is enough. Dude, like watching it back. You know what there has been a lot of this season and the preseason already is hits that were fined or suspended that directly led to injuries and like significant injuries like guys who are going to be out a while and now that i've put myself on the spot i can't think of them uh i'm sure you'll tweet them at me and please do um but like if you're a blue jackets fan you're like you

asshole that's that's our top center right now that's our you know one of our number one forwards and you jumped into his brain because you were mad that you lost to the Blue Jackets and I'm sorry, what's the argument that you should be getting less than four here? I really hope they don't take the outdoor game into account because like, oh, okay, you know, Flames fans are going to be denied the ability

to watch Rasmus Andersen. What about all the Blue Jackets fans who don't get to watch Patrick Lainey now because you fucking hit him in the brain. There's no argument for reducing this other than the only thing i think rasmus anderson and the flames uh have to stand on is i would go through every suspended hit from last season and be like you need to explain why this hit from anderson is worse than all 20 and i'm sure gary will say no we don't we judge this on a case

because remember they're big on we judge this on a case-by-case basis well also yeah like our so there is no standard does not have to be our new you're applying government court logic to this right they do not that's not what this is corporate logic the sport league yes and this is what we have decided no dude and listen it's a terrible hit i'm all for the nhl handing out suspensions especially against star players i think a league without stars which the nhl has been in the past uh and maybe they're starting to figure out that because there are it feels to me at least that there are more stars in this game now than there have been and i say stars very loosely within the hockey community there's more stars than there used to be yes uh in the wider

mainstream there are almost none but my point is but you got to protect those guys and you can't have chicken shit stuff like that happening in the first five days you can't it's a terrible terrible hit oh you need to i mean speaking of precedent like maybe this hit is the precedent because it's so early in the season you got to say this can't happen like when the net is empty like it's lawless out there man yeah it's it's bad and you can't tell players yeah you're allowed to take your pound of flesh um you know hit a guy directly in the skull uh by jumping into it when there's less than five seconds left in a game that you're losing and you're mad about it it's bad dude it's like i'm not saying he's a dirty player but it's clearly a dirty play

clearly like there's no reason to repeal this um agreed agreed on all that now we do have to wrap but there's a couple last things i want to hit you guys with one of them is trivia first one though julian mckenzie is going to have more on noah hannifin's contract extension in calgary on today's cj show which is great and it's not done yet but there's progress made the other one is So Anze Kopitar is now the L.A. Kings leader in games played. Wow. He played his 1,297th game as an L.A. King. Who did he pass?

Dustin Brown? That's right. Dustin Brown. Wow. Now, here's the question. Okay. The Kings selected Kopitar with the 11th overall pick in the 2005 draft, gentlemen. He is one of 10 players from the draft still playing.

2005 draft can i name them yeah is that your question yeah uh well uh crosby bobby ryan is bobby ryan still playing oh shit you're right yeah sorry uh crosby from the 2005 draft sydney crosby there's one we're strong we're starting strong i'm trying to think of a goal to uh no flurry is oh three um old goalies no tuka rask was from 2005 or six shit this is really difficult geo's too old i'm trying to go he was undrafted yeah and too old um cory perry what year is cory perry i think he was 2003 he is not in this draft year no it's too old this is a really hard question but i thought you guys how old is brent burns has been around

for a while but he's not that old not brent burns chris letang let me see here no no oh too old got another guy so you guys said who did you who have you said so far oh no letang is in this sorry oh he's there my apologies letang is no you're right nick backstrom not nick backstrom fuck so i i've only got crosby and latang yeah yeah dude this is so difficult i don't know man okay so here's who we got here who do we got kopitar okay mark edward vlasic uh andrew cogliano oh okay sydney crosby okay jack johnson jack johnson who does he even play for uh oh i don't even Colorado? I don't know who he's playing for.

No. I don't know. Mark Stahl, who was drafted the pick after Anze Kopitar. Wow. Chris Letang. TJ Oshie. Oshie? Oshie.

Oh, wow. TJ Sochi. Jonathan Quick. Ah. And the last one's my favorite. Is it a Leaf? Mm-hmm. Were they known for being a Leaf?

It's a Leaf. Oh, a current leaf? Is it current leaf? What the fuck? This should be easy. Ryan Reeves? Ryan Reeves. Amazing.

Also on that list that retired last year was Paul Stasny and Anton Strollman. I thought that was it. Darren Helm as well. Kind of crazy, huh? Yeah. I like that. I wish I could have done better for you there. No, that's okay.

That was a fucking hard question. No, that was impossible. I figured if you guys got two or three, we'd be lucky. And you did. The Steve Dangle Podcast. Follow the guys on Twitter at Steve underscore Dangle, at Adam W-Y-L-D-E, and at Jesse Blake. Connection complete.