The Steve Dangle Podcast - Steve Dangle is a Traitor | July 9, 2021

Episode Date: July 10, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Bay-ball! (00:00), the Tampa Bay Lightning with the 2021 Stanley Cup and Kucherov's press conference (08:00), where do the Montreal Canadiens go from here? (21:00), Travis Dermott resigns in Toronto on a two-year deal (33:00), the Leafs have interest in Tyler Bertuzzi (41:00), the Leafs have interest in Taylor Hall (50:00), Vladamir Tarasenko requests trade from the St. Louis Blues (53:00), what does Calgary do with the expansion draft (57:00), an update on Owen Power (1:14:00), a brief update from the University of Ohio (1:16:00), and happy end of the 20-21 season (1:17:00). Originally aired: July 9, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/QhqEk7XzwxE Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://magicspoon.com/sdp https://www.getroman.com/sdp https://ca.manscaped.com/ https://www.creditkarma.ca/ https://betmgm.com/dangle Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake full disclosure right off the bat uh steve's microphone is not working today which is number one bullshit um it is and uh and that's okay so he's gonna be talking through his um his computer mic and if you read the comments on youtube that's still better than my mic quality so you know i don't think we lose here i think you're still okay you're still at least number two in the list of power rankings of who's got the best audio on this show yeah i don't have a mic i don't have a door i so you never fixed the door yeah why didn't you fix the door i just haven't yet i just haven't i will i'm going to but uh yeah no so my mic like exploded i heard a pop in in my ear when they

were like handing the cons my thondre vasilevsky during our game uh five stream for the cup final um and i was just like scrambling didn't know what to do there's like 50 000 concurrent viewers um so i guess i was just talking to them through the computer and then i forgot about it for a couple days and now we're doing this and i don't have a mic so whoops oh well what are you gonna do you you guys made a great point because i was very grumpy and you're like you know you got 18 months used out of that mic yeah it's 150 microphone yeah three days a week for 18 months you know yeah and you use them all for the sports net broadcast you know what tell sports net to pay for the new one thank you because we bought that as a company and we don't make as much money as

sports net i'm not sure if they know that or not but we do not uh wait we don't revenue not quite yet not quite yeah i know it's crazy it's crazy i don't know did you see the ratings boys good stuff that's that's what we're saying is that oh we don't make as much money and we don't draw as many viewers so yeah that would realize i was playing into your hands thank you for that i appreciate that i'll be sure to call them up hey guys i need a new podcast mike i do need to say steve congratulations on on uh watch a watch a staley cup game with steve dangle and watch a halves game watch a Leafs game the numbers were huge and the support was huge and you did a great job and I know that you would have been a walking corpse afterwards because it's exhausting just

sitting there talking to yourself so congratulations to you on a great playoff buddy I think it's pretty cool and now that you're a traitor how does it feel to be on the other side of this traitorous offseason well you know it's difficult because I cheered for the Leafs and then as you No, I made an announcement saying I cheer for the Habs now. Right. It's weird. I can't find it written or in video or audio anywhere, but I'm positive I said it. Okay.

And yeah, I'm obviously just bitter about that. I never said I cheer for the Habs, you idiots. It was 17 broadcasts, right? That's a lot. 17 streams. Thank you, Jesse, for getting me back on track. 17 streams, about 51 hours, because there were about three hours each. some, some a little less, some a little more. We luckily avoided any ridiculous overtime games.

That's right. Yeah. There was no like triple OT where you had to do a six hour live stream. There should have been though. Damn it. That would have been great. Oh, part of me. Like, I don't know. I think it's good to go through that once. Just to see if you can do it. Yeah. Josh Anderson really saved your bacon, eh? yeah you did like you ever gone to an extra innings baseball game after you know the 10th the 11th after the 12th though you're like ah let's keep it going I went to an 18 inning game once it was great that was that was the longest game I ever went to I showed up at one it was late for my shift at work at six it was it was wonderful the worst thing is when they close the

concessions in like the seventh inning oh and then you sit there for another 10 innings and they're like hey we're not gonna feed you at all why do they do that just stop serving beer like like if you're worried about the booze just stop serving alcohol but like let me eat i've been here for six hours i guess it's because like the people who work there gotta head home and they gotta like clean up and and everything and be out of there like isn't this pay them just pay them man sell some fucking hot dogs like i don't i don't get it and you know what i don't think that's the case everywhere i think that's might be just a toronto thing oh really like like i maybe i'm wrong or maybe it's an mlb thing they don't want to send you home drunk or whatever and i get that

stop then shut off the taps and let me buy a fucking desani like honestly let me buy let me buy something so i can satiate my and people are like well why would you even hang out there 16 innings well if it's a 16 inning ball game i fucking like sports that's why because my ticket says i get to be here for the game right and the game's not done it's right hit something let's go anyway it actually seems very good i sat through a 16 inning game once with the jays and yankees the jays actually won yeah and and the there was like 40 alex gonzalez's that have played for the jays but this is the most recent one and he was traded for edwin in carnacion but he was the guy that i think he like hit a double but the thing i remember most about it is the tops of my knees

were just shish kebab afterwards so fried and the sun was like going down by the time the game was over but you know the game starts in in toronto because we have hockey on saturday nights um they start all the weekend games are like afternoon games right yeah so you get um you get absolutely cooked in the sunshine i miss i like the evening games way better than the afternoon games by the way way better like a weekday 7 p.m start oh over like a 1 p.m sunday yes way better i want it i want to me baseball needs to be played while the sun's going down like you want it to start in the sun and then you want it to end in the shade i just like literally blue jays games are the worst because it's dark blue plastic seats for this right in your if you're in the sunshine oh yeah

And it gets hotter as the game goes on. It's supposed to cool off. And you're just sitting there cooking and sweat. Just cooking. For the first like hundred years of baseball, there were no night games because they didn't have lights in the stadium. And up until I think the 2000s,

they had never played a night game at Wrigley Field because it was just tradition. They didn't have the lights. And then they finally put in everything that updated to modern technology. And isn't it crazy? Wrigley Field looks beautiful at night. Oh, yeah.

and you never have to worry about a sunburn because 100 years ago you were wearing your three-piece suit that's right and it was made of wool yes wool three-piece suit and you were nice and protected and it grated your skin like cheese and you read the newspaper in between innings no you know you're like one of those guys who like i'm gonna do my own scorecard thank you very much even though i can look this up online later you know the guys like it's a line three of scoring the game like why are you scoring the game watch what i like to do like to listen on the radio on my little headphones and i like to score the game that's it's the strangest thing i've ever seen live it was a father-son thing and i was just looking at the dad like you taught your

son to be this way you didn't even give him the option of escaping this life oh somebody's gonna tweet us and be like my grandfather still scores games your grandfather is an old man and that's okay yeah what is anyone our age doing that for right knock that nonsense off you stop it now steve steve says this but he's raising his son to be a leaf fan no i am not i am not and first of all he's one we haven't made that decision yet this dude it's not a religion he's he's uh we haven't decided if he'll be a leafs fan okay okay no uh he's uh by the end of today he will have four soccer kits no loyalty he'll he'll have he'll have uh liverpool chelsea scotland and york united no nice he's gonna be wearing york united along with his pops

that's right no loyalty just get those free kits kid chelsea and liverpool is bold that's uh it's family indoctrination yeah it's a it's a bidding war right now now let's get into to uh the actual um you know staling cup staling cup we have a short show today it's friday we're here to party but i just want to say officially welcome back to how does this affect the leaf season we're back in it baby how does this all affect the leafs well first off tampa wins the cup i wanted to actually ask you guys a question before we get into how any of this affects the leafs because we do have a lot of leafs news to get to um how quickly before they make a trade their first trade because we've had now what 40 almost 48 hours something like that got about 40

hours in here I would have thought it would have come in the first couple of days but apparently not what do you think Tampa is up to and how come they haven't traded Stephen Stamkos yet first of all that was a bold claim and the more I thought about it the more I was like my friend Adam is on to something and I was amazed to even get a lightning fan going I suggested this I've been suggesting this i'm like cool you're the first person i've ever heard yeah me too i never heard of that i think you gotta wait until the parade is done okay yeah and that's this weekend right it has to be like you gotta wait until everyone's had their fun they get to say their goodbyes but what was very interesting is to hear the lightning i believe it was john cooper after

the game say like part of the motivation for this group was knowing this was it that's it this is their last kick at the can as this group. They can win it again next year if they want, but a bunch of them aren't going to be there. Stamko said the same thing actually with Kyle Bukoskis. You know what? It must have been him then. No, no. They both said it. They both said it. Oh, well then there you go.

So it's obvious the writing's on the wall and I don't get the impression that it's just dudes leaving in free agency. There aren't enough. There's only two. Aren't there like of real significance Coleman and Goudreau? Or Goudreau.

could be boy whatever we all know who you're talking about yes exactly barclay guy barclay guy who took uh shea weber shot off knee oh just and could skate afterwards somehow agony just agony that is a shea weber who can't even shoot as hard as shea weber can shoot and just still devastating devastating um monday monday monday is when we get our first tampa trade jesse do you agree disagree what do you think uh probably a little after that i think you give it a little into next week maybe name a day name a day name a day third not i don't even think it's a trade like it's some sort of roster move for sure but uh probably thursday we hear it can't be if we're talking roster moves jesse it can't be somebody moved to the ltir because i'll be very

upset with you that's not that does not count can we can we run down the injuries that everybody had sure oh yeah you got him i got i got a couple here so uh petrie uh jeff petrie confirmed it was a broken pinky finger that uh resulted in him having the eyes from eric angles the eyes were because of setting his finger back in place i passed out and basically popped all the blood vessels in my eye so that was uh petrie uh if they don't build a statue to jeff petrie in montreal i don't know what your man he could have had surgery taking the easy way out six to six to eight weeks he would have been fine but instead he gets to be all bloody eyes about it that's fucking nuts how much force he had to exert oh my god the alex coloren injury was a bro he broke

his fibula he had surgery last week to put in a rod and hope to play he skated on it this dude a rod just for his fibula now do you take the rod out now and and just let it heal or how do you what do you do now you put it in the stanley cup and you parade it around okay you attach a screw to it and then the kucherov injury was uh he was playing through a fractured rib from a cross check from a cross check from scott mayfield uh of the islanders in the islander series so he still had the final that he had he had that snipe in game one with a fractured rib from what i believe was an uncalled cross check yeah and i'm missing a couple more our weber had a thumb injury to foley had a groin injury gallagher with a groin injury boy did gallagher have a groin injury you

saw that on the ice like he when he fell holy he looked like he was in pain now um we we mentioned kutcher off there jesse do you have the audio because it's infamous now we're gonna play it one more time, and Habs fans are going to get way upset. Okay, I'm going to play the whole thing. Play the whole thing. Okay. By the way, Joe Smith with the call on this one. I love it. Yeah, let's go. Joe, let's hear it.

How would you describe your... Congratulations. How would you describe your emotions right now after doing what you guys did? I don't know what to say. Yeah, it's back-to-back, and I couldn't sleep for three nights

to be able to win this game is huge YC was outstanding, MVP I was telling him every day, YC you're MVP you're the best player and then they gave it to whatever the guy in Vegas and then last year they gave Vezina to somebody else

number one bulls**t YC took both cups you know he took MVP and I kept telling him he's MVP he's the guy that is the best you know he was on his head today and you know he kept us in the game and another shout out for it by him remarkable you can't even tell more i'm so happy we i didn't want to go back to montreal but they acted the fans in montreal come on they acted like they won the stanley cup last game are you kidding me are you kidding me john romano tampa bay times

their final was last last sewers okay now how many people have you had tweet you that he's classless oh it was trending classless it was classless there's so there's so many things out of that just a minute and a half clip one every gm we ran through this before but every gm who didn't vote for vasilevsky for vesna you should be ashamed of yourself there's four of them you should be ashamed. He should have won the Vesna and Kucherov saying that drunk vindicated my stance at least when I said Fleury shouldn't have won that

Vesna. Bro, back-to-back series in these playoffs where he shut them out. He shut out the Islanders 1-0 and won the Cup 1-0 and back-to-back Stanley Cup clinching games with a shutout. Because they won 2-0 last year. That Kucherov should have won the

Kahn-Smythe. I think Kucherov's wrong about the Kahn-Smythe. I think Kucherov should have won it. No. You guys are crazy. Kucherov outscored his own team by 10 points, guys. He was very good, but Vasilevsky was even better. Right. There was one guy who was better.

All I hear is the top score by more than 10 points. That is number one bullshit. Yeah, the guy on the ice says the other guy should have got it. So I'm going to go with the player, you know? I think Vasilevsky deserved that. I think Kucherov's wrong about Kucherov. That's what I'm saying. By the way, number one bullshit, I believe, comes from Khabib Nurmagomedov of UFC, who's the first person I ever heard say the term number one bullshit.

But now it's made its way into hockey, and I love it because I think it's here to stay. It's too fun to say. And then the other thing, everybody complaining about him being classless. This is the best thing ever. This is exactly what you want out of athletes. You want to make news in press conferences, and we always talk about hockey players not having personalities. there's a guy who's speaking his second language and having the most personality of any hockey player we've seen in years and it's amazing and it trended and went viral this is exactly what

you want you should be championing these things the second language is important because he said a few like wrong things in there like he was on his head he stood on his head yes you know what i mean so there was a bit of a language barrier though and this is where oh oh so so are you saying you support this or what he said was great no you're you're well first of all jesse is second of all you're confusing being kind of mean with crossing the line what did he say that's crossing the line you know what i mean like what what did he say where it's like he needs to be reprimanded for that nothing nothing there's nothing coming nothing no it's not nice it's not kind but whatever whatever he's he's gassing up vasilevsky at the expense of i guess it's flurry and who was

it last year alabuck you know so and then making fun of the montreal fans i guess a little bit there but he's competitive i don't i mean listen if this was said against the leafs i'd be saying the same thing i know toronto fans would react much the same way that montreal fans would react but to quote a friend of the show pete blackburn it's a diaper take it's a full diaper take if You're upset about this. Like, Montreal, you know that you're a Cinderella story. You know you celebrated big after game four, and you should have. But the reality was, he said what we all said, which was, come on.

And now, the Lightning head back into the Atlantic Division, and so do the Habs. And forever, there's a built-in villain there, which is great for all involved. It's great for the Lightning. It's great for the Habs. It's great for hockey. It rules.

and dan milstein uh tweeted out by the way dan milstein who is like the ultimate russian power agent his twitter account though at hockey agent one which sounds like literally smart insider man but but smart hockey agent two yeah jesse sign up for it right now or sign up for it right now or smart insider dan but uh but anyway uh dan milstein um tweeted out today that uh kucherov has officially signed with Bud Light, which is chugging throughout that press conference. And what's funny is that I'm pretty sure, I could be wrong about this,

but I'm pretty sure Bud Light is what's sold at the Bell Center. And I wonder if any Montreal Canadiens fan will dare to buy it from now on, because now that they clearly support Nikita Kucherov, they must be a classless beer company. Is Bud Light a Molson Coors product? Ooh.

Because I would assume that you would only sell Molson products at the Bell Center. It's an Anheuser-Busch. Okay. Yeah, because it's butt, right? Yeah, that makes sense. Right, right, that makes sense, yeah.

Oh, man. So, it's kind of great in that regard. If you own the team, I want my beer selling in the arena. Okay, so here we go. Bell Center. You can buy Coors Banquet, Heineken, Dos Equis, Rickards, Molson 67. Oh, 67X, Molson X, Molson Canadian, Molson Dry. i don't know if you can buy yeah right i don't know if you can't well because it would make

sense that it would be molson right if you're if you own the team you ban all other beer companies like that's what i would do i'm a billionaire although if you're a billionaire and it affects your bottom line are you like yeah i don't give a shit no no you you wag you wag your thing around and you're like no i'm only selling my beer according to i'm not sorry go ahead no no keep going well i was gonna say i'm not totally sure how it works but like couldn't bud pay to be in the building and then obviously they get to make their own money i don't know i don't know there's all all kinds of arrangements according to a blog from 2014 montreal canadians rank number one for most expensive beer in the nhl i don't know if that's still the case but at the time it would

cost you 75 75 cents per ounce of beer so that's pretty small and that's a lot of money that's what i'm saying uh chart only shows per price per and they did sell bud light at one point according to this particular blog which is montreal blog so anyway it's a great partnership that's hilarious yeah that is very very anyways kucherov said nothing incorrect about montreal fans no and that was their stanley cup and that's and that's oh that's okay that's okay but i understand them being raw and upset like if the leafs had just lost the sailing a final i think i'd be a little sad too but you gotta feel good about where the habs came from a hundred percent like habs fans i mean they should be happy what i thought kutrow was talking about was people

trashing the city not anyone in the building did the city get that trashed i don't i don't i don't know i know there was a police presence and everything i don't i don't really know what else happened but um no the the montreal canadians were the feel-good team in these playoffs and i say that perfectly readily as as a leafs fan like yeah they were dude they were the best they it was i mean the original david versus goliath was them versus toronto like they should not have got past toronto and toronto won the division they were the worst regular season team to make the playoffs there's no hyperbole there all those things are true and then this the second david versus goliath was vegas montreal second place team in the league against 18th place team in the league

and so anyway i i do want to i do have a quick question about montreal though because we have a little bit of news um to get to but i i dom ducharme it looks like will be according to renault lavoie of tba uh will eventually tba sorry uh will no longer be an interim coach with montreal uh joel bouchard is now the coach of the ducks um uh basically ahl affiliate the gulls but you know it's funny the um a lot of people are in montreal land are very upset about losing joel bouchard because he is highly highly touted but now that you have dom du charme sort of like how do you not have him as your head coach after he goes all the way to the finals even though objectively speaking the team looked better under luke richardson um they did i'm sorry but they did

and there's a lot of fans tweeting me going maybe i completely agree there's some on the other side too yeah well look at the numbers but anyway like the grass is greener you you had luke richardson for what four playoff games no you had him for most of the vegas series yeah that's that's four five what six and then for then then the first three of the or first two or three of the stanley cup final as well what i'm saying is the sample size was not large uh they were high stakes games absolutely and he did very well but it's and made correct lineup decisions weird it's it's like the jack hamill conversation that we were having do you think he's good yeah but he's never done the extended uh the extended starter thing and Dom Ducharme has no but he has more experience

than Richardson or at least did this season okay it's it's a it's a difficult one now I remember us talking about this hold on though I did have a place I do so my question is we know Dom Ducharme is going to be the head coach my question for Montreal is what's next because you actually have to do an honest assessment of what this team is are they the 18th place team in the regular season or in, in what people still call a weak division, although they did make it all the way to the final. So I'm not sure how weak it could be. Um, are the 18th place team in the NHL or are they Stanley cup finalists and keeping in mind that plenty of teams make the Stanley cup final and missed the playoffs the next year, Dallas did it this year. Remember New Jersey won the cup in

95 and missed the playoffs in 96. It can happen. In fact, it happens a lot. So we're not a lot, i guess but a lot more than you'd think what is montreal is it somewhere in the middle are they somewhere closer to what they were in the regular season or is this team finally has this team finally come to what you know people thought was its true potential which is a high-ranking nhl team it's really difficult because they got a deal with they got to deal with the we just had a deep playoff run contracts and that's going to be hard um i think the question is what do you do with philip to know yeah it's like was this run enough to give him that big contract because i feel like the rest of them are kind of okay you know what

you're doing you're bringing back cory perry on a league min you're resigning cod king yemi at whatever number satisfies both sides tatar is probably gone because he couldn't even crack the lineup eric stall is probably back on a league min if he still wants to play but then the big question is armia and danelle armia wow he's deep in their lineup but that's a good player man he was he was a good player for them um i think you get done i think you get that done i do too i'm applying my leaf logic to it where we can't pay anyone in the bottom six because we're screwed but the Habs probably can Lekanen being

an RFA is tough Kakuniemi being an RFA is tough and Deneau, so what was it? Was it five years times six million? That's what he was offered and he turned it down to start the year, yeah And that number has not gone down After all this

all I can tell you is it hasn't gone down If I turned it down before, I don't know if I'm going to take it now uh and i'm gonna be asking for more why not why not i was our most important center arguably in getting us to the stanley cup final i shut down this guy i shut down that guy i shut down that guy like offenses turned to ash in my presence that you you gotta you gotta pony up for that that's a really really difficult decision i have a a thing with philip to know i really

loved his play you know and i think for sure he's probably gonna if you're buying on free agency you know you're gonna overpay but and i don't think this works cap wise but if you look at what the leafs are gonna lose with hyman and kerfoot right so you're gonna lose you we'll get to that a little bit later we're gonna lose kerfoot he's your third line center most of the time you're gonna lose hyman there are reports today about tyler bertuzzi which we'll get into But what's interesting with the Leafs is they do need a third line center. Even if Kerfoot was their third line center next year, you'd still probably want an upgrade on that, right? And I think Phil Deneau hits all the things the Leafs want, except for the dollar amount and the term.

And my question is, sometimes, is it worth it? Because this guy plays a game, much like Tyler Bertuzzi does, and we'll get into that in a little bit, that the Leafs do not have. and it would allow Tavares and Matthews to be more like Tavares and Matthews rather than having to play defensive roles as well. Matthews and Tavares are both defensively responsible, but you don't have either of them playing significant minutes on the penalty kill, for instance. Deneau could do that.

You don't have them out all the time. I mean, you've got Tavares out in key defensive situations. Wouldn't it be nice if some of that could be shouldered by the third line center? And I wonder if he's a sneaky pick. I thought we were having a conversation about what the Montreal Canadiens can do it's called how does this affect the Leafs season Jesse what don't you get about that

the Leafs they literally can't do that they can't they could well then you're going to have Ilya Mikheyev on the left and right wing of all four lines

I think a change needs to happen I think they need to go beyond the big four here uh yep i agree every conversation we have about hey how do you make the leaves better involves making a major change that they refuse to make so you can imagine how excited i am to talk about them in this offseason with montreal you know we you go how do you improve on this team one of the names that keeps popping up is jonathan drew and now we don't know where he's at because he did leave this season uh mental health was i believe cited as the as the reason why and that he was taking care of that so let's assume that he feels ready to play next season because again you know

you can't we don't know and you can't know i'm sure montreal has checked in on that uh because they need to know for this particular offseason but with jonathan drew in it seems like that there are a lot of canadians fans assume that him being a native quebecer uh maybe maybe it's just too much pressure on him and maybe he doesn't maybe he can't play there anymore maybe he doesn't want to play there anymore there's a lot of that assumption going on which again i think is unfair but he does present a pretty tantalizing trade ship for teams that need a scoring punch at a pretty relatively basic salary cap i think it's five and a half or five five and a half so if you look at a team fair like a fair hit you know it's it's a fair hit for a guy that probably can get

you 25 to 30 goals right if he's if he's in a position where i look at a guy like him and go what kind of assets if he's ready to go what kind of assets does that that guy bring in can you get um can you get the player like with montreal's lineup it's like what do you need you need more scoring so can you swap scoring for scoring let's say columbus can't get patrick line under contract can you talk to them about drew and plus for line a and then pay line a what you know because line a on montreal to me would be kind of cool i have a sneaky theory which is the theory uh and this this i think is especially if the habs cannot bring philip deno back because they got suzuki he's going to be there for a long time they got kakeniemi he's going to be there for a

long time there is a cold business-like argument that you shouldn't bring philip deno back if you're going to properly develop those guys and put all your eggs in that basket so let's bring in a guy who we know can be a middle six center and you know what it would probably help if he was on a pretty affordable contract but the team that he is on is still despite his affordable contract kind of looking to move them and let's throw let's throw it in there that he actually grew up cheering for the Habs Nazem Kadri I think Nazem Kadri to the Habs could be a very interesting thing and i listen again we have no idea what's going on with jonathan drew and who knows he may not want to get traded he may not this may not that let's assume he is going

to play next year cadre for drew and is an interesting base of a trade and then you got a 1-2-3 of Suzuki, Kadri, and Kakuniemi? It's not bad, eh? It's not bad. It's something to think about. That's all. If you're getting rid of the Duneau contract and the Druin contract,

because, like you said, they need scoring, and Druin, he doesn't really even provide that. Even if, outside of all of the issues of why he left the team and being a Montreal Canadian, his production is mainly playmaking.

yeah like it's it's not scoring necessarily so even if you're looking to upgrade on on goal scoring this might be the right move regardless of everything else involved so he hasn't scored over 20 goals in five years i didn't realize yeah he's not a goal scorer so goes through streaks yeah but i think he scored two goals this season while he was on the ice um and yeah so um if you're getting rid of the druin contract and the dino contract why don't you take that nine million plus dollars and go and get the big fish like jack eichel i tell you what you don't have to worry about anything up the middle for quite some time and they would have the like you wouldn't have to part with suzuki or caulfield for that obviously you're not going to do no you could

default you have the space yeah and you've got the montreal's got one of the best farm systems the league they could they could provide the younger players that buffalo might be looking for they although buffalo just needs players like guys who have played yeah so i was looking at it ah this is very interesting so i was gonna say i don't think eichel would want to go to montreal eichel actually doesn't really get a say in the matter because he has a full no move that kicks in next season not this upcoming next season so if montreal comes to the table with the buffalo sabers and they have the best offer guess what he's going to montreal yeah he doesn't get a say yeah two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar

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have re-signed Travis Dermott and a lot of people are are questioning they're like listen in every appreciable way and I think Mike Stevens was tweeting about this in every appreciable way Travis Dermott had less last year less Ives time less points less of an impact so you doubled his salary because he was making 785 grand and now he's making 1.5 for the next two years and a lot of people I think have flashes of Pierre Engvall's extension in their minds and I think rightfully so, but I listened to an interview with Elliott Friedman this morning on the Fan 590, and he was talking about this. They think, yes, okay, maybe you could have saved money in year one if you'd gone to arbitration. However, if he has any kind of impact in year two, meaning in arbitration,

you're probably going to get a one-year deal, one-year settlement, which is what I think he got last year. If he has a good year this year, then you're paying a lot more next year. You could be paying three million dollars or 2.5 to me and and maybe i'm maybe i'm crazy on this one you let that happen don't you yeah but fans are resistant to it because this is every leafs contract negotiation what if we do what if we go longer in order to get more and uh here we are still without a first round victory oh but this guy he had a career best and he scored i don't care i don't care where are they in the win column well this year in the playoff win column oh you know what i mean so it's nothing against travis dermot it's just a mood

it's just a temperature i think with this fan base yeah i i will say this it the contract sort of jogged my brain a little bit because i said the leafs are going to go four and four with the expansion draft they're going to go tavaris matthews nylander marner and then on defense they're going to go riley why would you lose them for nothing muzzin why would you lose them for nothing brody why would you lose them for nothing and hall and then i thought about it i'm like okay wait wait a sec even with a raise dermot makes half a million dollars less than hall for each of the next two years they both have two years left dermot 1.5 hall 2 hall this winter is turning 30 dermot's turning 25 hall's fine it's not great he's fine he's not going to get better

dermot should i think he should at 25 it's he well he's 24 now he will be 25 you know what i mean so So I am moving the goalposts a little bit, but here's the thing. It's not just that he'll get better at that age. I feel like the age thing makes Justin Hall a less appealing target for the Seattle Kraken, right? And if you make him a less appealing target and you protect Dermott, then Seattle goes after Kerfoot. The 3.5 mil comes off the books.

He's a younger player. He's a great utility guy. You can use him in all kinds of roles. and then you can essentially run back the same eight defensemen or trade them trade any of them because that dermot contract i will be i will be vehemently against it vehemently if he's ever once a healthy scratch unless they put together a decor that that knocks my socks off if you with all your uh you know you need a degree in astrophysis to to manage their cap if if after all this bullshit i don't know if that helped yeah it would probably help okay it wouldn't help but i

guarantee the person would be smart enough to do the job does that make sense yep so if you have a guy making 1.5 as a healthy scratch bullshit i'm gonna be against it that's garbage if you have him in the lineup and you commit to him in a different role, fine. Yes, Jesse? Three and a half million dollars is too much for Justin Hall and Travis Dermott combined.

You're allocating too much of your cap to those two guys. 3.5 million dollars. I don't know. That's unacceptable to me. I think the Dermott contract would be tradable. So is Hall. I don't think the plan is to have both guys in the team next year. You've got to make room for Sandin, right?

You've got to make room for Sandin People are saying, oh, he's still not ready When the fuck is he ready then? How about this? Shit or get off the pot with Lilligren I'm sick of it Shit or get off the pot He either can or he can't

The one thing If the Leafs do manage to protect Dermott Keep Hall Or protect Hall and keep Dermott If they manage to keep both those guys they'll have an abundance of uh defensemen under contract and a bunch of teams are going to lose one lose one that they're not really ready or happy to lose and it's not like there's an abundance of great young defensemen ready to come up in this league not every team has a stockpile

like that so maybe the leafs will be able to protect those guys and then go to pick a team out of a hat and go how about justin hall how about travis dermott how about timothy um elliot friedman did say that when francis built the hurricanes and really he deserves a good chunk of credit for the way the canes look right now um he built them through defense but if you go through the expansion draft tool on cap friendly which i did a little bit this morning there is a ton of defensemen available a ton of very good defensemen available so you it makes you wonder it's like if these guys are available and do not pull it up right now steve don't do it don't do it don't do it because i got some other stuff i want to reveal to you later this is why

there's a reason yeah the thing that's at a premium is centers and one thing that the leafs are going to have to do is expose a center in alexander kerfoot which makes a lot of sense for the kraken to take kerfoot so that'll be uh very very interesting and then if you keep if you keep going though like okay so the leafs line up without kerfoot kind of looks a little thin doesn't it I mean even with him after you get past the big four what do you really have Mikheyev who can't shoot Engvall who can't play a regular shift effectively Spezza and Simmons who are fourth liners God love them we love them we love what they bring but like they're not we're not expecting punch from them the least cause me physical pain what what else do they have really

so this is this is the problem and so the name that came up with Elliott Friedman today that the internet's freaking out about is Tyler Bertuzzi. Now the Leafs apparently had interest in Tyler Bertuzzi, even as close as the trade deadline. However, he was injured. So obviously not available in trade, or at least they didn't want to make that trade. So you've got Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Kerfoot. Let's say he's gone. For instance, your next highest paid player after that is Mikheyev and then Engvall. And you got Simmons, Spezza, Adam Brooks, and obviously riley nash thornton felino galchenyuk and hyman are all ufas and then okay so you plug robertson in if you plug him in in top on the top two lines i think

that's a little unfair to start that's a lot of pressure on a guy who can score and has an unbelievable shot could use a little injury luck but i think it's a little unfair to go okay nick Robertson 20 years old come on in and play with Tavares and Nylander come on in and play with Matthews and Marner it's a lot and I wonder if that you then you put them on the third line well who's going to be a center Engvall is it going to be Robertson Engvall Simmons they need a third line center they do and and more than they need a defenseman yeah it's the number one need i'm so concerned i'm so concerned about the future of this team like the the idea that we've heard floated that oh yeah well one day tavaris will be on the wing what you'll what we're gonna

have an 11 million dollar winger we're gonna have a 33 million dollar line and right now we're talking about how we can't afford a third line center we'll be able to afford a second either when that shit happens but i guess we'll address that nightmare when it eventually arrives in our doorstep after another failed attempt to get to the second round but since we're talking about this right now i think starting the season with robertson in the top six could actually be good because it gives you an opportunity to evaluate him and see if he can do it you know it's i think I personally, I think he's actually better suited for it. I don't think it makes sense to have him on the third or fourth.

Okay, fair. But then you, when you run out there, you're going to run, let's say it's the playoffs, Steve and Robertson is a good, are you going to run Robertson Matthews Marner? By the time the playoffs arrive, he'll be months and months and months into the season and hopefully more adjusted, you know, to the NHL. Cole Caulfield was just on the second line of a team that made it all the

the Stanley Cup right but my point is who did Cole Caulfield play with Nick Suzuki who's a baby himself and Tyler Toffoli or Josh Anderson right so you're gonna line up let's say it's Montreal Toronto again you're gonna line up Anderson Robertson and then like Toffoli and Marner on the other side I don't like that there is no physicality on that line and we saw that with Mitch Marner in the in the preseason or the postseason the guy couldn't break through that's what the team wants you what they want adam which like it matches their they're not gonna do shit in the playoff style and uh they're welcome to commit to this not gonna do shit in the playoff style okay so tyler bertuzzi's name has come up like i said he is a restricted free agent he's got

he's arbitration pending um obviously detroit fans love this because they're like well give us Rasmus Sandin but you know it's pretty pretty possible that Tyler Bertuzzi is a four million dollar player and if you line him up next to what Hyman brought it's not a whole lot different in fact he outscores Hyman and he's three years younger not a bad player to have he would be a great addition that's the kind of guy where I can see Bertuzzi Matthews Marner that that would be very interesting and then you can run and then maybe you do an all finesse line maybe then you put uh or you put Bertuzzi with Tavares and Nylander and then you can run the all finesse with Matthews Marner uh and and Robertson you can't I mean I wouldn't but you can't no I'm going

full vindictive school teacher you two are banned from playing with each other even on the power play until you get to the second round you're banned one of you is on pp2 which one of you is it going to be which top five score is going to be on pp2 you guys you flip a coin tell you tell you what since you guys can't make a decision we're going to alternate games which one he was on pp2 not until you get to the second round so matthews kneelander tavaris marner figure the rest of that shit out the problem with that steve is that one of them performs on the power play and that's austin matthews he's the one weapon you have well then you have your answer don't you well and so so then we're gonna like if if we're gonna talk about that so um there was a couple

just on the tyler's produce bertuzzi thing why does no one care that he didn't play last season why is no one talking about the fact that he had back surgery and missed an entire season of hockey doesn't that sound exactly like what josh anderson had isn't that exactly what happened with josh anderson and they still had to give up max domi in a seven-year deal i don't know but like i feel like that should matter in this like you're going you're chasing this one uh target that's hasn't played hockey since january it's probably depressed value right they don't have to trade as much to get them right and then you also have to sign him you know like you have to you have to commit to him before you even acquire him so that you can get them done the smart way to do this is i would

say to stevie listen you got to let me talk to his agent before we're not committing assets to this player until such time as we have an agreement in place right so you say otherwise you can go fly a kite go re-sign them yourself you can't make that trade without having a deal in place the Leafs have done that before his name was Jonathan Bernier and we know how that worked out and God bless him he's had a great career since but you can't look at what happened with Montreal and Josh Anderson last year and I'm not saying Josh Anderson wasn't effective at times but a seven year deal for Josh Anderson coming off a major injury and you know for a guy with tantalizing skill could be the best power forward in the league if he could just put it together every

night the guy would be way better than Tom Wilson he wasn't good often enough for the commitment that they made to him you're absolutely right and and Jesse's right in the sense that why are you going to expend assets on a guy that didn't play last year so Kyle Dubas is going to go into a negotiation with Tyler Bertuzzi and say hey we want you so you have all the chips now also we're going to commit to you after you haven't played a single game after being 24 and having back surgery and we're going to give you a bunch of money and we're going to be cool with this and go into next season with you on our roster like that doesn't make sense to me hey tyler tyler this tyler fire your agent fire your agent get some advice from me all right now you've been traded to the leafs and i'm

your agent here you want my advice wait no no you don't make that dubas doesn't make the trade without the deal in place yeah but he's negotiating already from a stance of hey we want you and we're going to do whatever we can to get you okay and what i would say is is we're not going to do everything we want we can to get you we would like to have you on the team do you want to play with matthews and marner no no do you want to sign a short-term deal play with matthews and marner have it score an outrageous amount of points and then come back to us and leverage huge money that's how you get him in that's how you get is the short-term deal but if if what he wants is long-term after the surgery and i'm dealing with a divisional rival which i think we're forgetting

uh if this is dragons then for those reasons i'm out right well you i think you have to explore it but i think yeah or if you're dubious you go yeah we're not gonna we're not gonna pay you less than what you made on your last deal we'll give you three and a half but we need to know that you're healthy and uh by the way you get to play with matthews and marner you see how much my mood changed when we started talking about this this piece of shit well so to that point not tyler Bertuzzi not talking about the Leafs sorry um there's a couple things that are very very interesting as well uh Freed also mentioned in that interview this morning that um the Coyotes are going to move on from Kemper now you remember CJ said goal what yeah they are probably going to

trade Kemper I think he's got a year left um he Freed didn't seem to think that Kemper was the guy for the Leafs but the Leafs are going to look at the goalie market and try to get the best guy available and CJ said there was a goalie that was a target but it doesn't seem like Kemper there's a lot of people who thought it's got to be darcy kemper remember cj came on and said there's definitely a goalie and they were definitely interested and they were definitely close so i think we can cross darcy kemper off that list doesn't mean it doesn't change at some point in the future however i don't think that was the goalie that cj was talking about somebody else on the west coast probably man if you're arizona you're saying we're going to commit to aiden hill

right and then we go and we get somebody else as a backup and you move off of that 4.5 million dollars, and you give some of that to Aiden Hill, and you give the rest of it to your backup goalie. Do you sign Ranta a little bit, like for another year, and just say, hopefully you can play 25, 30 games? Like a million. You have to be committed to having a good

third goalie then, because you know, there's a very good chance that when Nancy Ranta's not in your lineup, or, sorry, there's a very good chance he's not going to be in your lineup. Right. Also, Hyman is looking less and less likely to

resign with the Leafs, according to Friedman. Cool. Now, if the Leafs lose Kerfoot, like I said, they're going to look a little thin up front, which they already do. Now, I want to put this out there, and there's a couple of asterisks next to the sentence I'm about to tell you. The Leafs, quote, have interest, that's asterisk number one, in Taylor Hall, asterisk number two. steve explain firstly asterisk number one which is have interest what do you always say about teams that quote have interest i have interest in a ferrari i have interest would you actually want to own a ferrari if you could no i'm not a big car guy um i think i like the uh which is the car that gta5 ripped off is it

the challenger the charger which is like the muscle car four-door yeah i just lose the charger i can't get behind a four-door muscle car the charge has never done it for me oh yeah it's the doors for me you're right i'm out this doesn't feel right oh the doors i've never been a big car guy but like no i'm interested i'm interested in a 10 million dollar hole like of course they're interested in taylor hall why wouldn't you be interested in taylor hall i'm sure they're interested in how many players are in the national hockey league 850 i'm sure they're interested in 500 of them it doesn't matter that they have interest in taylor hall the uh the other asterix was of course the name taylor hall and the report came from darren drager and there's a connection

there can you explain that one oh really you're making me do this adam really you're making me yeah what the hell is the setup wow i don't know throw yourself under the bus listen if you want to hear it straight darren ferris and darren drager are very close they they there is constantly if you want to know about a darren ferris client darren drager is going to have the breaking news on that that's fair right is that a fair comment yeah there There's a reason Dregger had all of the scoops during the Mitch Marner negotiations. Well, scoops and outrageous claims as well.

Let's just call it what it was. You know, like Columbus being like, yeah, we can make Mitch Marner a $14 million offer. I'm just sitting here on my phone. Yeah, okay. So there is obviously the least we'd have interest. Breach did say, though, that everybody thought and still seems to think that Taylor Hall will stay in Boston,

but there's a three to four year deal that he'd be willing to accept. And I'm not sure that Boston's willing to offer that. I'm so I'm curious to see who he ends up with. Don't think it's true. Take less to play in Boston, Taylor. Yeah. Do it.

Now this brings me to the third player of interest here. It's not Tara Sango, but it has to do with Tara Sango. So, you know, for St. Louis. Oh yeah. This was huge. This is huge, huge news. Vladimir Tara Sango has asked for a trade.

According to Jeremy Rutherford in his article for the athletic, uh he says sources familiar with the situation say he's upset with the team's handling of his shoulder shoulder surgeries in 2018 and 2019 his first two of three such injuries sorry surgeries which were uh were performed by blues physicians and he feels like there's no trust trust left in the organization now when you dive deeper and you can read the article they actually he he got a surgery and then went back and said guys my shoulder still really hurts and they realized that part of what was wrong in the shoulder was not even corrected or noticed by a physician

when the surgery happened. So you can see why he may not trust the organization anymore. If it's a blues surgeon and he missed it, I mean, this is my career, man. And I've got two years left at seven and a half million bucks. I should be in for a huge payday at the end of this. But a lot of people are looking at Vlad Tarasenko now

who used to be just like a killer. Monster, monster. And go, well, the thing that you do, the most mechanically important thing that you do involves your shoulder. And that's not all right. You've had three surgeries in three years. I'd have some question marks. But one of the names they brought up that St. Louis would really be interested in is Matt Kachuk. Obviously, there's the tie-in there with his father who played for the Blues and was really great. But it would have to be vladimir tarasenko plus but there's a chance maybe that matt kachuk gets traded this offseason

and that the blues are an option and that tarasenko might go the other way now no guarantees that tarasenko does this with a no trade clause and of course as i don't know why we still get this in the comment section but people are like why are we even talking about this he has a full no move everybody with a full no move has been traded you know who had a full no move david clarkson like yeah trade it it's a it's a hurdle but it's not a barrier no it's no it can be it's there it's about as it's about as a as much of a pain in the ass as trump's wall down in the southern united states you can get around it pretty easy so all you have to do is find a way you know what i'm saying it's got some holes it's not where i thought you were gonna go with that

but yes now i what i found very interesting about this is i did a little deep dive in the calgary flames okay so i use the cap friendly extension tool expansion draft tool and it's interesting that mark specter said in his article today on sportsnet.ca matt kachuk made it clear at his parting media availability that he wasn't thrilled about the reduced ice time he got under which we talked about prompting outsiders to speculate he'd like a change of scenery he might be available because look at this too and Giordano by the way might also be available the Flames will protect Anderson Tanev and Hannafin on defense no question right they have to protect Lucic, Goudreau, Monaghan and Backlund and you would think Matt Kachuk as well but then

you leave Lindholm or Mangiapane exposed too so so you might lose one of Lindholm Mangiapane or Mark Giordano and you also have to protect Markstrom you can't do uh that you have to protect him is because he's got the the no move as well as part of his team you have to protect the goalie anyway and he's the guy but okay so we we have to talk about very key dates coming up here in july because this is the most bonkers july in nhl history uh july 17th is the deadline for teams to submit protected lists for 2021 at 5 p.m eastern i don't know what the date is but i believe there's also a date for players with a no move or no yeah it'd be no move players with a no move to say whether or not they would waive it for the expansion draft i don't know if

that's past yet so you have to you have to protect guys with no moves but they have the option to be like hey no you leave me exposed and then you could protect somebody else correct oh absolutely correct so the leafs for example have to protect of ours i mean they would anyway but let's say let's say they didn't want to but they were forced to they could approach him and if he was willing could waive it for expansion and it doesn't even mean that seattle has to take him it just frees up a a different protection slot right right the thinking is according to mark specter uh that that seattle would be all over mark giordano but if if it's true that well why not well yeah one year 6.75 million that's a pretty great leader to bring in i unless i'm completely crazy here

manji apani seems like an odd one to give up doesn't he oh no they're they're out of their minds to give him up okay so they like so so again we're going through this again if you go to the expansion director and again i could be completely wrong on this manji apani is he's an rfa but he's eligible to be selected or he's an rfa next year lindholm derrick ryan derrick ryan's a ufa but he's still eligible cap friendly switched over and it's screwing a lot of people up cap friendly has already switched over to next year yes it's messing me up yeah so if you see any pending restricted free agents or ufas it just has the red or the blue next to it not the dollar amount right and and thankfully in the um in the expansion draft they actually say ufa 2023 rfa 2022 so they

yes let's tell you um and spec said that maybe derrick ryan would be a good pick for uh seattle considering he's from the washington area but they could they could assign him they could just sign him he's a ufa it didn't make any sense to me either no so okay so you're you have to protect some of these guys lucic has the no move but maybe i mean like lucic is the only one who is by default uh has to be protective but you have to protect then gadro monahan yeah you would think backland or or lindholm kachok has to be so that leaves you three defensive slots i think i don't know if this decision has been made yet or not but i think lucic the first of all the flame should absolutely approach him uh-huh to wave it and i think he would happily wave it yeah um because

he's not going to get selected he's not going to get selected and if he did you got to remember that's a bc guy um who but he's he's in a weird situation where he's a bc guy who clearly likes bc but he doesn't want to play there because of the uh the Canucks animosity from 2011 and I think there was an incident or two outside of a bar there was yeah I I don't remember exactly what happened but that would be a great situation for him uh in Seattle good but they ain't picking them they know so and he probably knows that so rather than you know plant his flag and know how dare you trade me closer to home uh where i'll probably get a pay raise as well like it rather than do that he'll he'll um i imagine he would waive it freeing up a spot for the flames

interestingly too and i don't know how this quite works but um so then that gives you if you can protect what seven forwards right i think you're protecting three defenses so the list i have is Kachuk, Goudreau, Monaghan, Backlund, Lindholm, Giordano, Hannafin, Tanev. Technically, if you wanted, you could protect eight forwards. Yeah. And no defensemen.

You do want to protect Rasmus Anderson over Mark Giordano all day. Yeah? Okay, so I'll switch that. I think so. Yeah. He's at a... He's 37, right? Yeah. Here's what I don't understand about the tool here, because Dylan Dubé is a RFA

this year. But he's not highlighted in green because he's not signed. But I believe he meets expansion requirements as well. And they could select him. Seattle could take him. He wasn't happy under Sutter as well. And Sutter actually apparently was super critical of him. Yeah, the green thing isn't that.

The checkmark means he meets the requirements. So if it's black, that just means he's not signed yet. Okay. Right. So that means that, you know, a guy like they could lose a 22 year old right winger. You know, that's it could it's not going to be not going to be easy for Calgary here. But Seattle is going to be good. Like, I love how everyone's like, oh, they're not going to do what Vegas did. Stop it. Stop it.

None of us, not a single one of us on planet Earth, not even people who work for the Vegas Golden Knights, thought the Vegas Golden Knights were good. When they assembled their first team, we all thought they were going to be dog shit. If you do seven forwards 3D, there's enough room to protect Dylan Dubé. There is, but at the expense of who? Right now, you've got Kachuk, Goudreau, Monaghan, Backlund, Lindholm, Dubé all covered. That's only six guys. Mind you, Pani, I guess. And then you've got one more.

Losing Giordano for nothing is ludicrous to me. Didn't I say this for a while? like if you have to if it's a it's if it's finally time to move on from him fine but losing him for nothing when did he win the norris wasn't it last year yes like the year before yeah it was like he was like 36 37 yeah like come on man i know he's old and i know uh you know it's time to to maybe move on and pass the torch and everything we don't lose him for nothing that looks like the guy like going over this going over it over and over again it looks like giordano is probably going to seattle trade him and find a new guy somebody would take him um uh i also want to mention too

that uh uh with regards to the flames uh flames would have interest in duncan keith if giordano was taken the problem is he'll probably get moved before the expansion draft giordano or oh keith Keith. But in breaking news today, the Oilers have some sort of, had some sort of asset available to the Hawks in the Duncan Keith trade, which they have since pulled. So apparently there's a take it or leave it scenario right now between Ken Holland and Stan Bowman. Yeah, I'd be pissed off too. yeah so like you've been saying you've been working towards this deal and then Edmonton pulls the plug on it so there's maybe there's a chance Duncan Keith ends up in Calgary

but what if this whole time if I'm Edmonton I'm pulling that deal too like I just like pull the plug like Duncan you don't need to do this give him to me like I don't have to help you out so I'm gonna not do this deal because I don't

have to do it what if this whole time Edmonton and Ken Holland have been driving the price up for calgary oh um the other thing uh the other thing is if matt kachuk's available i think there's 30 teams that should do everything they can to get them yes yes absolutely like i don't know if you're the leafs that's the guy that's the guy go get him i don't i don't know if you could find a player more valuable than that guy yeah do you move out one of the big four yes yeah harpy in harpy yeah in harpy without him name him i think it'd have to be marner or nylander because those are the only like you're not trading matthews tavaris is

untradeable so that's those two sorry it does it listen i would kill for that scenario i would love matthew kachuk on my team um and just i would love to be the leaf social media manager when they tweet a picture of jake muzzin on one side and matthew kachuk in the other giving a thumbs up to the camera but with the mortal kombat graphic over it friendship i would love that i can't wait for it but it does seem there are some things that seem inevitable to happen eventually doesn't have to happen now but i do think it's inevitable that one of the kachuk brothers will eventually be a st louis blue and i don't think it's going to be brady on account of the sends are actually committing to building around him whereas matthew kachuk pours his heart out for the calgary flames

and they don't give a shit like that's that's weird right yeah that's weird it's been weird to me from day one like there has to be something that i'm missing and setter coming in and then being and then being like no more gaudreau and monaghan i there has to be something that i'm missing because this leafs fan thought it was very funny when jake muzzin flipped the puck at uh matthew kachuk and he flipped out but then even i afterwards was like why didn't anyone kick jake muzzin's ass why or try try i noticed that right away like before it was even a story that came out that kachuk was hurt by that and they had like a closed door meeting i remember watching that and going why did nothing happen just now like are the leafs that badass like i i know it

was a little bit more peaceful on the ice this year because they were a little bit bigger and a little bit tougher but like we're talking about a team that got sunned by a team that never sticks up for himself i uh i thought it was very interesting and like what i said with patrick liney last year it seems like it's gonna happen do it it just seems like he's not he's the guy i want to build a team around but they don't give a shit so and like at at some point you know hearts are broken you know sometimes you can mend fences but uh the flames were annoyed with him often enough that he became annoyed with them and it just seems irreparable and you know what i said with the jets and linea is stop putting your fans through this like i either extend him and then he's

a jet for a long time now or trade him make a decision here and with matthew kachuk uh if the flames commit to him i think that's the right move but if you're not going to do that then get rid of him move on like you're obviously at a pivotal point in your team's future when you're contemplating losing mark giordano for nothing so you're at a pivotal point here you're at a crossroads you're at a real building point well and and and so are the Leafs and I wonder again we've talked about how the Leafs are the flames east and the flames of the Leafs west and I wonder if there isn't some sort of fit there eventually and and I and I know I know I'm a Leafs fan and I want to chuck bad real bad but um both teams are at a pivotal moment Freed even said it today he said

it on a couple stations I guess he's doing the rounds the Leafs are at a moment where it is just about DeRozan for Kawhi Leonard. We're just about there. And in fact, I'm surprised we're not there, to be honest with you. Like if they really think that running this back with this same team is a good idea, they're wrong. It's objectively not right.

And we won't know that until the playoffs. I don't care how good they do in the regular season. They can finish first overall. I'll be thrilled and I'll cheer for every single goal. But until we see this in the playoffs, I don't even know how, how you can think any other way. So unless you make a big change now, who gets fired next year if they get out in the first round again?

Anyone, anyone, anyone ever utters Messiah Jerry's name in the same sentence as the Leafs again, I'm kicking you in the chest, but it's, it's a, my point is, is, is that I think it's time for a big move. I agree. Calgary, it seems like it's time for a big move. and it seems like the core I don't know what like I know that they're they're probably listening on on Monaghan but I'm not certain in Calgary why you're not building around Kachuk when Monaghan

and Goudreau have consistently shown you in pressure situations that they're not the guy just like I don't understand with the Leafs with certain players in in pressure situations they're not the guy they're paid like they're the guy but they're not the guy the most secure job in the fine nation of canada is national hockey league general manager everyone's been in their in their position forever forever betting i don't know if we're getting to him later in the show i i don't know what he could do to get fired and uh the same goes with brad living i don't know what it would take i really don't know what it could take like like this team reminds me of the like the 0708 leafs where they just weren't they weren't bad enough to be awful

and they weren't good enough to be playoff bound they just weren't anything that that that to me was the team at their least relevant like they weren't even we weren't even following the tank like we didn't even have the fun hey you know are they going to take Dylan Strom or Mitch Marner with the fourth overall pick hey what if they win the draft lottery and get austin matthews like they weren't even there they just weren't relevant like to me that that seems like a team in a great position for if not a rebuild than a retool like all the guys that we're talking about have value yes the flames aren't gonna get nothing for giordano i hope uh they're not going to get anything for monahan you know gadreau kachuk these those are all guys you can move

and then you still have lynn home you still have anderson still markstrom and net you still have all these great pieces like what is it it's what is it going to take for a canadian gm to pick up the friggin phone this summer and actually get creative oh my god hey yeah but a lot of players don't want to come here they ever written into their contract oh well then you can't do it then earn your money the gms in this country stink earn your money do something give fans something to cheer for toronto calgary vancouver bueller anyone bring a winning team here for the love of god that's like at this point like i'm not gonna jump on the canadian uh uh if there was one canadian team left bandwagon i'm cheering for them i'm not but it's starting to get sad

i've finally started to see the allure of that bandwagon i think it's more like the success went to the stanley cup final and you're yelling about bring success to canada like what they they won the canadian stanley cup we we talked about this before the playoffs began the canadian stanley cup since 1993 has been losing in the final it's it's funny the um the thing with canadian teams too is that like uh the whole salary cap thing was supposed to well this will make it a lot easier for canadian teams and they still suck maybe there's just a problem got nothing to do with the cap i don't think it has anything to do with where these teams are geographically located it's it's like selecting

seven random teams yeah you know it's not i don't think it has anything to do with playing in canada i maybe jesse it has to do with the fact that these that these teams have inherent issues beyond what we see in decision making they don't do things they literally don't do things well the Leafs do the Leafs do things we get on the show we get on the show every time we start for your your meeting is being recorded from every time I hear that lady's voice we got on we get on here and we go what about things and then Adam goes well flames things and I go flames things is a great topic let's talk about flames things oh what about Canucks things oh Canucks things let's talk about Canucks things and none of the things ever happen they just stay shit

do things Jesse doesn't agree I can see it on his face no I think you I think you'll see a lot of movement this uh this offseason it seems like it seems like it's brewing that the expansion draft is going to force a couple teams to do a couple things you know it'll be fun uh also uh fourth period reporting contract negotiations between Oilers and goalie Mike Smith are ongoing um offers been tabled by the oiler smith camp likely to counter also hearing edmonton exploring uh goalie trade market might possibly buy out koskinen so something to keep an eye on now steve you asked and we're going a little bit over time today owen power you wanted to say something oh yeah so we were talking about uh because he's he's he was talking about going back to school

and we're like ah this is him avoiding the sabers so there's an article that someone sent me written by mike carter on the hockey writers um and where's the excerpt ah this is from owen power buffalo is up there and it's close to home so i think it would be i think a really good spot for me and good for my family we used to go down to buffalo for a few nights my mom would go shopping i know boy this guy's from ontario or what i know my mom and my aunt yeah i know my mom and my aunts really love it down there in another interview with tsn power also had this to say about potentially joining the savers it'd be awesome he said it's nice and close to home so lots of family would be able to come down i would go to games uh when i was younger and watch uh and i

think it continues but i cut off the screenshot when were those quotes written though the hockey writer no when were they written oh when were they written recently i don't know how recently but recently okay yeah it's basically i don't know we last show we presented some information that suggested this kid would never play for the sabers now i'm presenting other information that suggests he would okay it might mean nothing lastly and this is always this is always tough to do but we're going to have to do it anyway um university of ohio is for the first time publicly confirming there were two sexual assault claims involving former black hawks coach bradley aldridge during his five month stint there after leaving illinois so we're keeping you updated on

that story we promised we would that is from at tony j arnold on twitter if you would like to read that from wbez.org so you can check that out um and we were talking about local coverage of this story, he's all over it. Is he? All over it. And Frege, I think, credited him with being first on this story. I know we saw it from Rick West headfirst, but I don't know. Okay. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear

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to put a cap go ahead do you have a top eight list for it and I have I did a ranking of the top I don't know how much I'll I got to cut it off somewhere where I think it's definitive but I did a top list of Stanley Cup champions in the cap era

that I'll bring to you on Monday I'll give you that on Monday I can't wait and off of that I think it's important to put a cap on the uh 2020 2021 regular season and like applaud everybody for getting a full hockey season done in the middle of a pandemic like shout out all of the workers who were able to do that all of the media people too who lived in isolation for weeks at a time in little bubbles just so they could

work this job and get every get all of this hockey done and out to the people like it's a it's a real credit to the money and the resources that that the nhl has and the commitment that people believe in the sport that during a pandemic that these things didn't fail and that a season happened and um to conclude it the best team won that's that's one thing that i was really happy to see at the end of the playoffs is that the best team in the league won the stanley cup and i don't think anybody's gonna argue that in the end of it would abs fans argue well uh pierre lebrun had a good tweet nice response i they weren't the best team whoa all right all right all right pierre lebrun had a great tweet to put a cap on it too um the 62 win lightning of 1819 got swept

by columbus in the first round since then tampa bay has won eight straight playoff series never trailed in a series never lost back-to-back playoff games on route to winning back-to-back stanley cup championships that's something there you go that's i'm sorry abs you won the regular season trophy the president's trophy but the stanley cup is awarded in the playoffs best team won i think it was a great season it was great to have hockey done in uh this tumultuous year jesse to that point um somebody messaged me and i think kent tampa since they lost in 2015 has played 75 playoff games oh my god 75 playoff games and almost an entire full season how long how far back do you think you need to go to get 75 leafs games in the playoffs what year

yes 1982 okay maybe it's not that far back that's funny but it's not that far back that's my guess 2001 jesse what year were you born 1992 you had to go back to the i believe the 93 94 season so Jesse was two years old because remember they went back to back in the conference finals, right? They got swept by Vancouver in the second year, which no one talks about,

but we should. Yeah. It's we haven't had, we've had since 93, 94. So almost 30 years had 75 total playoff games. You want another depressing leafs that no, I think all the stats for the Leafs are depressing.

I mean, like I don't name a good leaf stat name one. That's happy. This is from ConnorEdward29 on Twitter who slid into my DMs and wanted me to read this to you guys. Total wins, regular seasons plus playoffs. Leafs, 38. Habs, 37.

The Habs literally finished below 500. that's so fucking great that's amazing steve's yelling but we couldn't hear it because his mic uh yeah yeah yeah you're mike gates so but great good that's fucking awesome jesse nice stat all right well listen i hope that leads you into a very happy and non-depressing weekend uh we love you we will be back monday and there is so much to do so very much uh including expansion the actual nhl draft of which the leaps have three total picks which will be super duper um actually yeah we've got the second the sixth and the seventh because remember we had to trade a first and two fourths for felino and people said i was

a crazy man for saying that that was too much physical pain physical pain i'm taylor hall was a second round pick yep second or the third i think you ruined my day making me couldn't make no steve you're don't forget steve dangle's a traitor uh we should probably have yo jesse shouldn't we put a steve dangle as a traitor in in our in our sdpn shot make it the title make it the title make it the title of the show it's the new name of the network steve dangle is a traitor dot n and benedict dangle you know what we should get you know you can put your face on like old people like you can put your cat on old like old like you know pictures from like the 1700s or whatever we should put you on benedict arnold's uniform

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