The Steve Dangle Podcast - Subscribe | October 8, 2018

Episode Date: October 8, 2018

NOTE: The Steve Dangle Podcast is now also available on Spotify! https://open.spotify.com/show/5RqZFUIq4Zp8tmI3LfdT7N On this episode, the Leafs go 1-1 over the weekend (00:00), Jake Allen's been terrible (44:00), Steve's Don Cherry picks (52:00), Pettersson, Kovalchuk, and hella injuries across the league (57:00), and the press conference (1:09:00). Episode Sponsored by Ridge Wallet: https://www.ridgewallet.com/sdp Use Code “sdp” for 10% off your order. Originally aired: October 8, 2018 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/idSLjO0_gXc Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.C.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Well, how are we all handling it so far? Great. We're all doing great. I just saw a tweet from Sportsnet 590, the fan, our alma mater, that basically we graduated from Sportsnet 590, the fan, right? I haven't, they can hire me if they want Went to the University of Sportsnet 590 to fan

I think we dropped out Well you did Dropped out Okay, we're just throwing around jobs now You also, you interned there So you did graduate from there Yeah but I'm still at work here man I'm not trying to

That ain't a problem You can graduate a university and still work at it You know that Alright How about we just relax First of all I was just trying to warmly refer to the radio station We're associated with

Let's get this right We were on it overnight Then we got kicked off of it Second, you guys had a show for like three minutes And then you got kicked off of it Actually, six hours Yeah, hey, I had a show for three minutes He had a show for six hours

So We dropped out Alright, fine, whatever I might have been expelled No, I think that's the important part I just, yeah, no, it's definitely not the tweet I'm about to bring up. Oh, yeah. Doug McClain was on Brady and Price this morning, and he said, they asked him, you know, do

you think Austin Matthews will get 100 points this year? And Doug McClain goes, I'm sorry, guys. That's a bare minimum. Oh, hell yeah. Get her, Doug. Tell him, Doug. Man, Doug, I want you to be right, but Austin Matthews is currently shooting 50%. And if we don't think that that will regress just a little bit.

Listen. There have been 13 Leaf goals this year. Nine of them have come from Tavares and Matthews. Whoa, where did you hear that? Might be your video this morning. Yeah, it was. And it might have been the broadcast last night? Nope.

Just my video. Where did you get it? Did you sit there? Counting. No, I don't think you did. I got it from counting. I don't think you did. I did.

I went through and I went, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. Did you actually? Yes. No. They said it on the broadcast last night. I counted. I'm the only one who can count.

You watched the game? Yeah. Imagine if a stat was available to more than one person. I'm glad that Steve is the stat disseminator. I don't know how... Guys, I'm really smart. How else could you... What's your mathematical formula for counting those out?

How do you do it? Oh, fingers, pretty much. Thank you, Steve. Do you ever... Sometimes when I count, I bite down. Do you ever go... I just clench my jaw normally when I'm doing math because it makes me so uncomfortable.

Since you're so good at math... Yes. What percentage of your LFRs is stolen material? Oh, 120 120 Carlos Mencia of hockey, right here That's a good reference Yes, it is

Yeah, he used to have a show And it was sort of funny Come on, man Just get it Yeah, he was a dirty, dirty thief Was it really bad? Oh, yeah He ripped off whole bits out of other comedians

Entire bits That sucks Well, I guess you're a dummy And Doug McClain talked about all that. And Doug McClain hit all that. But listen, I am very excited. And I thought yesterday's game was literally like jump ball. Like you just, it was, it was just, just throw it up in the air.

We'll see which side it ends on. And no, no goaltending, no defense on either side. And you know, we're learning a lot of early season lessons. For example, never tweet. Just never tweet. You know what? I'm going to raise my hand. What happened with the never tweet?

I'm going to raise my hand. And I'm going to say that I should have put the Twitter down on Saturday. I've burned myself already. I said, and I still believe this, that the Leafs sort of got what they deserved against the Senators. I believe that they should walk in and steamroll the Senators every time. And people were like, well, their Corsi was 65% for. And they outchanced them in high danger scoring. And I'm like, yeah, 100%.

All that's true. The fact of the matter is they didn't win. They lost. And I find that I was so frustrated on Saturday night. Now, was I completely correct in my tweet? The numbers state that the Leafs actually outplayed the Senators. Good. You should.

The Leafs did what they're supposed to do, except for the winning part. Right. Yeah. Which I care a little bit more about. At the end of the day, like, okay, I'm encouraged by their performance, I suppose, but. Shouldn't they have a 65% Corsi against the Senators? At least. At least.

That's bare minimum. Let Sens fans enjoy this. Yeah. They've had their nose rubbed in it all summer, and now they get a chance to do it back. Wait, so Twitter was upset at you for saying that the Leafs deserve to lose? Well, I think they weren't upset. They just sort of disagreed.

I said the Leafs got what they deserved. They were outplayed. And people said, well, actually, Freddie could have made a save or two. And I'm like, is Freddie not a player? Can he not get outplayed? I'm pretty sure he's on the team. He got outplayed by Craig Anderson. He did get outplayed.

And he outplayed Carey Price the night before. 100%. And this is what happens. It's three games in. and I was so grumpy, so last night I'm watching, I decide first off, last night I decide you know what, I'm not going to tweet during this game

just not going to do it, and so I'm watching the game, and it's going back and forth, and after the first after like the first part of the first period first of all, they look like crap, they're down 2-0 like it, they came out dead on their skates, they were horrible they were outshot 11-3 before they scored their first goal, and thankfully

I think, was it shots 4 and 6? it was Kappen and Matthews? yes, who Who was on the outlet pass to Kapanen? That was Matthew. That was the football pass. Oh, my God. But before we get into that, I finally realized at the end of the second period,

I was like, or no, end of the first period that's tied 2-2. I'm like, you know what? This is fun. Like, I read my own tweet back from the night before, and I said, you know what? It's the third game, yeah, but also this is sort of fun, right? Are they going to be wheeling and dealing and being crazy and a tire fire on defense? Yeah, they are. The Capitals and Penguins had a 7-6 overtime game.

But if I'm a coach, I'm upset. Sure, but if I'm a fan, which I am, I'm sitting there thinking, remember that two and a half, three years ago, we were talking about William Nylander and nobody else that was going to stick around. 7-1. Yeah, exactly. And I think sometimes you forget a little bit that this is actually supposed to be fun. And I was thinking, like, why did I have more fun in the William Nylander rebuilding here

when it was just him than I'm having right now? And I think that's where it goes. We're in a completely different scenario. Now that I actually think the Leafs can do something, like, it was cautious optimism followed by just plain old optimism followed by expectation, expecting them to win, Expecting them to contend. Expecting them to destroy teams. And they haven't even won a three-period game yet.

Yeah. In three games. Who cares? Yes, of course they will. And I think the key is just take a step back for all of us and just relax. And I say that with myself first on the list. Relax. Enjoy this.

My bad tweet was this period team period is period awful. Or looks awful. Because after seven periods or whatever, they look terrible. they were getting outshot 11 to 3 and people don't i mean it's twitter i don't expect you to fact check anything but no one's reading the time stamp on it what are you talking about they won i tweeted that when it was two nothing check check the thing but it was leafs fans going oh you're getting too down in the team shut up it's too early fuck It was just getting all in my face.

It was fans of other teams, just Habs fans going, I'm here also. Islanders fans going, I'm here also. And I'm like, what did I do to hurt you? But the Leafs are the bad guys again. Yeah, which is a good thing. We've got to get used to that. We're not cute and cuddly. And somebody, I forget, and forgive me if you tweeted this.

My bad. I didn't save it this morning. But one tweet really turned it around for me. Actually, no, I got it. I got it. No, I don't. No, I don't. And it was, I think it was something that That's Cappy retweeted, but it was basically

like, imagine you had sent yourself this game sheet in 2015. And it was basically two players. It was Matthews and Tavares. Tavares with the, you know, with the hat trick and then Matthews with the game winning goal. Or not game winning goal, or sorry, had X amount of points or whatever it was. Well, he's got eight points. Eight points. That's what it was, I think.

Yeah. And, like, imagine you could send yourself this from 2015. And that, for me, it was, like, perspective, man. Yeah. Perspective. We're not talking enough about the three games that Riley's had. He's been on the ice for a couple, but six points, second-team scoring. He's in the league behind Matthew.

Is he? Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's Matthew's at eight and then two guys at six. Oh, my God. Is Tavares not up there, too? Tavares probably would have had those. I don't have to guess. He's got, like, five goals.

I don't think he has an assist yet. Yeah, he's had four goals. Whoa. Unreal. Now, I have to I want to give credit where credit's due Former member of my hockey fantasy team for some inexplicable

reason is Martin Marincin because we auto-drafted and I ended up with him It goes, by the way Matthews, Taves, Kane, Riley That's hilarious because of last night Weird, yeah, well, there's like every team has played two or three games, so

weirdly, it's the players from the high-scoring games TJ Oshie's also up there I thought the Dermott-Marincin pair was awesome. They were? I thought they were amazing. I liked them. I did too. I mean, not Marincin.

Dermott, a centimeter, millimeter away from stopping the third goal off the line. And had he not, was it the fifth goal where he gave it away behind the net and then Chicago took possession and then scored? I can't remember. And I was thinking, oh, that happens, right? You wear the goat horn sometimes, especially when you're a defenseman. But man, what I love about his game Is he does the Jake Gardner

When they're coming across The Leaf blue line into the Leaf zone He swings in With his whole, like his ass first With a stick flying all over the place And denies those entries or at least stops them up And there was one actually Somebody made it into a gif this morning

Where he got it and then passed it back to Marincin Now Marincin fanned on his pass Out of the zone, but the idea is still there Dermott now has a partner that can make a defensive zone exit on his own. In Marincin? What about Ozhiganov?

I mean, Ozha had one good game and one bad game. I looked at the second game, though, and I thought... I think he had a bad highlight reel. I don't think the second game was good, man. It wasn't good, but the fact that he just got... I mean, not the Shabbat. I'm not talking about the Shabbat, where he walked him pretty bad and left his

pants in the other zone. I think, but Ozhiganov, I think it's going to take some time. I'm giving him more time, but I have to tell you, if Marincin comes in and plays like he did, and Dermott plays like he does, it will not be long before Hainsey

is not playing with Riley. It's not going to be long. And then if Oshiganov doesn't play better than what he did against Ottawa, he will also not be, he just won't have a chance. Because there's, Justin Holl is also waiting in the wings, right? Martin Marincin had a good game. If you're steady enough,

Mike Babcock does make adjustments, and we saw it last night. A big one. Kasperi Kapanen and Tyler Ennis traded spots. And that's a big one. I didn't want to ask for that in a video or on Twitter or anything, but Tyler Ennis, for as hard as he's worked and as feisty as he's looked, you got him to be a depth player. Get him off the first line.

Give someone who was there last season, who's been here a while, give them the shot. Ty should go to the veteran on the team in terms of games played. Yes. Like, you're more of a veteran of the Leafs if you're Kisperi Kapanen. But it's also a situation that nobody expected us to be in. No, no, Nylander. It's like, Nylander should be here on the team.

And I would think they slot Ennis in where Josh Levo is supposed to be. I think so, too. And Levo, after a good first game, has looked a little rough. Well, and that was another one where I kind of think, like, Josh Levo, I'm starting to understand a little bit Maybe why He hasn't been playing all the time That might not be his

So many people rip on Connor Brown But there was at least a couple plays last night Where it's like This is that line in a nutshell It's Kadri in the neutral zone Levo waiting at the offensive blue line For Connor Brown At the defensive blue line

To feed him the puck somehow Connor Brown had to babysit that team last night They could have given up seven or eight. That's literally his life with the Leafs. This is his life. He's a babysitter. And he was a sophomore last year. Why do people rip Connor Brown?

Because they need someone. What specifically are they ripping? They're ripping him on. For not scoring 50 goals. No, well, it's possession numbers and things like that. He hasn't been that bad. No, he hasn't. But the thing was is that people forget he was on the most sheltered offensive zone line last year for a reason.

They got 75% of their starts or something In the offensive zone with Bozak and James Van Riepzak And the reason for that Is because neither of those guys are particularly trustworthy He babysat those veterans So he's babysat them and now he's babysitting the The Qadri Levo thing and I think The shutdown line maybe

JVR who's out for 4 weeks 5 to 6 I've got a whole list of A whole list of Injuries that are surprising There's no day to day injuries are there Over a month I think the interesting thing is

If Andreas Janssen Had come into camp strong And had played strong, which he hasn't He's been poor If he had, he would be playing on the third line Instead of Levo right now I think you might be right And I think it would be Ennis, Lindholm, Levo

Although I don't know if Mike Babcock really likes that I'm not sure how strong defensively Ennis is I think that's supposed to be his role Is he? He's sort of a No, he's dependable It's not a liability. It was, it goes back to, going back to my original point, for everybody that says Mike Babcock is too stubborn, and I would agree with you, sometimes he is, sometimes he's stubborn to a fault, and sometimes that works, sometimes not, he made the adjustment in the middle of the first period, right, and all of a sudden, bang, two goals go in, and I think it's great to see that instantaneous, like, yeah, see, we told you it would work.

that's not going to happen every game but I really do hope a guy with Kasperi Kapanen's speed gets to play with Matthews regularly from now on because I do think that you know you can put you have Marla who's a very fast skater you've got Kapanen who's a fast skater

Matthews is a great skater but he's not that fast that's terrifying and it makes Kasperi Kapanen that much more dangerous because you know him on his own he may not be a play driver in the same way that say Mitch Marner can but you make you're accentuating what makes Kasperi Kapanen

a great hockey player when you play him with Matthews and Marleau? You know, when things aren't working, just, eh, he'll marry Passett

every now and then. It might work. When does this stop? Do Leafs get 10 points clear of a playoff spot mid-December and then Babcock

switches to all defense all the time like last year? I don't think they can. If they earn it, he'll treat them that way. Last year, they earned it.

Right? Remember they started this Babcock, yeah, it's funny, but it's dumb. The Leafs so far, fun, but dumb. It's three games.

I'm like, okay, by game 25, this is all going to stop. The games are going to be 2-1 again. It does feel a lot like last year. I felt the exact same way watching these first three games. Everyone's got their own theories, and this is the way the NHL is going. Is it the goalie equipment? No, it's the same thing that happened last year. I mean, yeah, it is sort of where the game is going for sure,

but um teams come into camp maximum skill maximum strength maximum endurance minimal structure so they just go out there and they have fun you know we talk about how in the nhl uh goal scoring is so hard to come by it's at a premium but i think when uh if you were to just throw a player out there isn't it easier to score goals than stop them like when we when you see uh like an all-star game or like shinny or summer league or any of that stuff they're all high scoring games because i think they just go out there and the defensemen aren't really trying and everyone's just trying to get into a you know a shootout and then all of a sudden the season starts and And they realize, uh-oh, it's actually kind of hard.

Well, and I think, too, like, if you look at the Leafs lineup specifically, what are they more likely to do, stop a goal or score one? Well, score one. And that was always supposed to be the case. So why don't we just play that way? The Leafs defense looks worse than it did last year. Yeah, when they gave up a four-goal lead in Game 2. I don't think it does.

As opposed to a four-goal lead in Game 3 the year prior. This has been a consistent issue, folks. Yeah, now it's just six goals and we're trying to score seven. Oh, my God. Yeah, and listen, in the last two starts, too, and let's not... I don't want to be too hard on Sparks, and I don't want to let Freddie off the hook. Does that make sense? Why can't you be hard on Sparks?

Why can't you be hard on him? He did have a bad game, but I don't think it's like... He had a tough game, I would say. I'm defending him. I've decided. Last night, I was like, all right, I can feel one of two ways about this. I've decided to defend him. I'm defending Garrett Sparks.

Okay, the Taves The first goal, Blackhawks scored I didn't see the The Sort of level angle Until This morning actually, for some reason I Didn't see that when I was shooting the video

That was a high stick That wasn't a goal, that shouldn't have been a goal And it was a really good deflection The sixth goal Was a tip off of Ron Hainsey's stick Unfortunate, but it happens There was one where he was screened Really well

He didn't have a great game Did not have a great game The first Kane goal Come on now Stop that You have to stop that The second goal No one's stopping that

The Leafs defense got murdered The first Kane goal was the one where he was at the faceoff dot And he just kind of shot it straight in He just shot it and it went through his legs That was just ugly That was terrible Yeah, that was bad I'd put

honestly, out of the six, I'd say one was really bad and another one, you'd probably go it would have been nice if you had that. The Leafs defense were bad. It's still six goals. It is still six goals, totally. Cam Ward is atrocious.

The overtime winner? He's decided he's going to defend smarts. He's going to attack Cam Ward all season long. No, no, no, no, no. I think there's no hypocrisy in this. There is not. Look at the goals the Blackhawks scored.

Look at the goals the Leafs scored. Atrocious. The Riley goal. Yeah, that was bad. That was so bad. Yeah. But he just put it on the net. One goal.

Because why wouldn't you? He put it on the body, too. That's what, I don't, I want to say it was like Marleau or someone. I was like, just shoot it in the first period. I'm like, just put it on. And he stopped it, but he's like, whoa, whoa. I'm like, dude, just shoot Just shoot it

One goalie gave up seven goals The other one gave up six Jesse, I'm a hockey analyst One goalie won, the other lost The one who won is good The one who lost is bad This isn't hard Fair?

I guess That's why I didn't really go at Cam Ward In the LFR video Because I'm like, okay That's a little hypocritical And to get into all the specifics is going to make this video too long. But the goals the Blackhawks scored, I think, were trickier than the ones the Leafs scored. I do.

I would agree with that. That's maybe not fair, but by my eye... It's still the end of nitpicking to defend a player on the team that you root for. Absolutely. But like I said, I'm choosing to be optimistic with Sparks here. How much do you miss Chris McElhinney? A bit. Somewhat.

When could you have imagined at Hockey Night in Cinema in London, Ontario, two years ago. That newly claimed goalie. Curtis McElhinney. Who we were shocked won. Who plays like it's 1984. Yeah, really. Everyone's like, does Garrett Sparks look floppy in his net? And I'm like, McElhinney looks like that every game.

Every single game of his life. Oh, but Steve, he's a gamer. Yep. He battles. Yeah, battles four feet out of the net. He looks like vintage Mike Vernon When he plays He's just all over the place

935 save percentage I'm not complaining McElhinney in a different decade I don't know how he stops a puck But I can tell you their styles look pretty similar to me And he does stop it Won his game in Carolina It's funny

31 of 32 I didn't even know that happened Our coach's corner predictions went decently, but the one I would have absolutely guessed and again, it's a little you know, woulda, coulda, shoulda, but the one I would have guessed for sure is

Cherry mentioning McElhaney, but that happened the night after we recorded Yeah So yeah, I think there's a couple other things that I guess we can take away from the weekend, at least since we're talking about Chicago That Ottawa loss is like ancient history

I don't think that people are talking enough about the fact that Nikita Zaitsev hasn't actually looked that bad? Yeah, a bit of a tough game in Chicago, but the first two were decent. But I also don't think we're talking about how actually bad Ron Hainsey's looking. Yeah, well, last night I would argue was his best, and he scored on his own net. So there's that. Well, and also Babcock's deployment.

What did he do? I don't know why he put those two together. He put those two together, and then Ennis, was it Ennis? Linholm Hyman with Zaitsev and Hainsey which got scored against penalty kill sort of like well and I guess his logic

there was Hainsey Zaitsev is one of the penalty kill pairings which I don't know why why well but it is and they had their goalie pulled the Blackhawks had their goalie pulled for like the final three minutes and he figured it's basically going to be that sort

of setup so I'll throw my I'll throw out that I just don't think that was the right move I don't know why coaches don't trust their top skilled players to also just play defense I think they don't want to tire them out Sure, but it's the end of the game

Why can't you trust Matthews? Why can't you trust Kadri? And I don't understand this whole thing about A lot was made about the Florida Panthers starting five forwards on their power play which I thought was cool and long overdue Why can't we have one defenseman

and say it's a penalty kill. Why can't we have one defenseman and three forwards? Three defensemen? I don't give a damn. What's your strength? It's not the same as five-on-five hockey. It's just not. It's different. Like if you're the Predators, you could see a situation where

having three of their great four defensemen out there and then switching one off, whoever the most tired is, plus a forward, you could see where that would make sense. Okay, you got the Stanley Cup on the line, alright? But you're down a man in the final minute. The Preds throw out Subban, Ekholm, Ellis, and Yossi.

Yeah. No, that makes sense. That's amazing. Who's arguing with that? Let Subban take the faceoff. Okay, now that, yeah, that's the issue is the faceoff. But the Leafs obviously don't give a shit about that because Josh Levo is taking the second power plays draws.

No, I think of it the same. The baseball playoffs are going on right now. If it's the eighth inning and you're in a playoff game, you need to win. Then throw out your starting pitcher because he's the best. It doesn't matter what situation it is. Clayton Kershaw is going out in the eighth inning because he's your best asset.

So why don't you just take that kind of attitude? Oh, no. Just use your best player in the bench. Defense. It's invisible line. It's like the invisible line between Canada and the United States. You pass that line, everything changes. I don't know why.

Everything beyond this is lava. Basically. I don't get it either. But anyway, I think I just want to say this about the Leafs versus Ottawa. I know it's second game of the year, and I know I got a little too hot under the collar. Fully admit that. Sorry, everyone. But I got to say, these are the games that you look back when you're in a points race

later in the year. Damn. Should have. Should have got those, too. And you know what? I expect the Leafs have, when Nylander comes back, the Leafs have one of the goofiest offenses in the modern era. I still say they do.

They still do. Oh, in the modern era? Yeah. And you're talking about probably even right now, I mean, Merrick said the best power play he's seen, or at least on paper, since the 77 Canadians. And it's so funny when they start. Now, that ignores the 80s Oilers, which I think is a little unfair. Jeffrey, how dare you? And the Islanders of the early 80s, too.

But the, I don't know, Jeffrey, that's a little shocking. But one thing, oh yeah, so I really enjoy, for some reason, when Babcock starts the power play with the second unit. Oh, it's the best. Because you spend the whole time waiting for the first unit. Second unit, though. They're pretty damn good. They're not bad. With Nylander, they'll be great.

Yeah, and I imagine he'll be their center. With Josh Levo not taking face-offs. Yeah, what the f- You have Tyler Ennis. That was the line from the broadcast? It was like, everybody's got to get a turn in there or something like that. No! For a guy who emphasizes the importance of face-off so much, Babcock doesn't give a shit about, like, starting wingers on the face-off.

He really doesn't care. Oh, shoot. What was the other thing I was about to say? Darn it. Oh, here it is. With the Senators, we ripped on them for so long and picked apart everything they did for so long that we forgot that this is still the National Hockey League. And it's getting more and more even all the time. and the worst teams in the league still win 25-30 games.

Sure. But if you're a championship caliber team with an offense like the Leafs have, I expect the Leafs to start playing like, and this is my problem with the team. This was my problem with the team last year. Anderson was very good. I kind of thought about it during the Raptors playoff run because if you pay any attention to the NBA,

you know that the Raptors are a really good regular season team and they make it to the second round and then they get blown out by Cleveland and there's something that Cleveland had obviously LeBron but they had a couple near misses against Giannis and the rest of his team

like a couple teams it's literally him what some of these guys have is a killer instinct they will shut the game down or they'll take over and what I expected to see from the Leafs and what I didn't see and maybe we'll see this later in the season

is a team that is so confident in itself that it just goes, okay, now the game's over. I've decided. And I didn't ever see that last year. I didn't see it with the Raptors either. You know, like when DeMar got booted in the third quarter in their last game. Like, that's the kind of stuff you either flame out or you take over. And I expect the Leafs now.

I expect them to learn how to take over a game. Because maybe they haven't learned it yet. But you've got to be able to do that. And you've got to be able to do that on a Saturday night against Ottawa. A top five team should be rolling over a bottom five team every time. Could we argue that they did that against Chicago? Because they started like shit. No, because they let in a goal in the last 30 seconds.

No, but then they turned it on for a while and then sort of lost it. No, turning it on is turning it on. Turning it on is turning it on and keeping the other team out. Keeping it on. Now I wonder if part of that Remember last year we were ripping on the Oilers penalty kill And we were trying to come up with ideas And we're like just change the personnel

It doesn't matter who it is You're getting out the poison Like those guys The bad jujus There you go They're too They're going out there and expecting to allow a goal And the Leafs

Here's the first Three games of the last three seasons For the Leafs three years ago they well there was the matthews four goal game which was actually a heartbreaking defensive performance against ottawa the second game was a great game against boston that was great the third game of the season they gave up a four goal lead against winnipeg and for the rest for the remaining 79 games they're like oh i don't know and they flew by the seat of their pants every time they had a lead in the third last year kill winnipeg in the first game great

second game of the season they give up a 5-1 lead on home ice give up another four goal lead i don't know for the rest of the season it shook them and now they discover that they can't hold on to they drop two one goal leads in the final 90 seconds or something like that against chicago It's ridiculous. Ridiculous. So changing personnel I don't think would be the worst thing ever because those guys expect to be defeated. I just look at the team, and this is probably a part of the learning process too,

but if you look at any of the great teams, and I think one of the greatest teams ever we get to thankfully watch right now is the Golden State Warriors. When the Golden State Warriors decide they're not going to lose, they don't lose. They just don't. And I'm not expecting the Leafs to win 72 games in a season because the NBA and NHL are very, very different.

However, if you look at any of those great Detroit teams, if you look at any of the great Oilers teams, any of the great Islanders teams, we're talking about dynasties, the Chicago teams recently, Los Angeles for a couple seasons, the Boston Bruins do this really, really well, and they do it really well against Toronto.

In the playoffs. In the playoffs. They have the ability to step in and go, okay, we're done playing now. But it takes more than determination. Anyone can want to go out there and do what Jake DeBrus did. And Jake DeBrus did it. Yeah.

So, yeah. That's my point. I expect that. Like, the guys they threw out were Zaitsev Hainsey. Hainsey cannot decide to go out there and be prime Zidane O'Chara. Yeah, he can't be prime Zidane O'Chara. Like, he cannot as hard as... He can wish as hard as he wants, but there's a limit to what he can do.

That there is a deployment issue sometimes. Do we have any defensemen on the team that can go out and do that? Well, I think Riley can. I think Riley's so good. I don't think people realize how good Riley is. He needs a partner. He needs a partner. I think Jake Gardner should be his partner.

I don't know what they're waiting for. Is Jake Gardner good enough? I think Jake Gardner is good enough. I think Dermot's the answer, man. Really? I do. I'd love to see Gardner-Riley. But, well...

Because if Dermott's good enough to play If Dermott's good enough to play with Riley Then why wouldn't Dermott do the second line And put Riley Gardner together and just stack it up The question mark with the Leafs I said this in the video Dubas has to be Dubas has to be better than us

He just has to be He can't be a panicky Pete Help is on the way The Leafs have help coming Down the pipeline Their defensive prospects are actually decent Pretty strong uh especially on the right side too and they actually got a bunch of guys in the left ah

help is on the way but god we need it now we need it now so we don't know what's the answer there we don't because the window's open right like the thing is is that okay we talk about we need it now sure we need it now to win these games oh lilly grin one day but not yet not yet true but not yet i i i'm of the belief that lilly grin's gonna get the uh the dermot from last year treatment He's going to go in. He's going to dominate the AHL, which I actually think he will do great. And then they bring him up midway through the season, and hopefully he sticks. If not, then he doesn't.

But I think the issue right now is that we are getting ahead of ourselves. I don't think this is a Stanley Cup Leafs year. I just don't. Listen, you can base a lot of things off the first three games. McElhinney-Vezna. Markeric-Norris. 100%. Matthews.

Roman Polak-Nasterson. Rocco Richard. Also Norris. Also Norris. Actually, Matthews-Rocco Richard is realistic, so that's why I skipped over that one. Matthews-Caulder. Yeah. You know.

Again, but line A better. Yes. Line A2-Caulders this year. I pulled up the all-time power play percentages. Outside of one team, and that's the 2012-13 lockout Washington Capitals, the top 24 teams all time come from the year 77 to 90. Not shocking. The best power play of all time is the 77-78 Montreal Canadiens.

They're the ones who screwed it up for everyone. 31.9%. That's insane. Aren't they the ones who screwed it up? It used to be a continuous two-minute penalty no matter what. No, that was the 60s Montreal Canadiens that screwed it up. It used to be a continuous, and icing was illegal. So you couldn't...

It didn't matter how many goals you scored, there was no icing, and they could score five against you and the guy's still in the box. And you get the full two minutes. Yeah. Let's go back to that. I think that, not the non-icing, but for sure the full two minutes. The icing thing I've talked about before, you shouldn't give the team who took a penalty

an advantage but every game would take forever there was one I don't know if you'd be able to find this yeah they iced it

a million times I remember sometime in the 90s when I was a kid I was I was watching a random game between the Panthers and someone

and they like set an NHL record for whistles in a game it was like it was over a hundred it was insane because

one team had the lead and they're like we're just gonna ice it until the game's over I don't know I don't know how on earth you would find that. The 17-18 Toronto Maple Leafs. Last year.

They sit 50th all time in terms of power play percentage. Were they even first? They had a 25% power play percentage last year. I don't think they were even first in the league. They were. No, the 17-18 Penguins were first. That's insane. They ranked 25th all time.

Wow. 26.2%. That's really cool. Wow. Yeah, yeah. They were decent. This from NHL PR John Tavares is the fourth Maple Leafs player

In the NHL's modern era Since 43-44 To score a hat-trick within his first three games With the franchise The others were Miroslav Fricker I think Jeff O'Neill And Austin Matthews

Love it Beautiful Yeah, so I think that there were some There were some interesting takeaways from this But the key is, I guess, don't freak out too much. Don't freak out too much. No. I do believe that there's change coming on the back end.

I cannot see how it could be possible that Hainsey stays where he is. I just don't see it. As for Sparks, when McElhinney's been able to hold the fort on many occasions, when the Leafs abandoned him, it hasn't always gone well. Oh, something I wanted to come back to. Because of that, you just made me think. We were sort of getting into this. You talked about how the Leafs have help

Coming on the back end You talked about Garrett Sparks and getting comfortable I think that obviously the Vegas odds makers Are going to say the Toronto Maple Leafs Are the odds on favorites to win the cup Do you know why they do that? Because they know idiot Toronto fans Toronto's full of suckers

Odds aren't actual percentages of winning Stop looking at that It's just how do we get the maximum amount of people To bet money on these things That's how they set odds Do you know how much money Vegas has made off Toronto since like 2015 with the Jays? Oh, it's insane. The Jays are World Series favorites.

The Raptors are NBA champ favorites. The Leafs are Stanley Cup favorites. If you look at this Leafs defense right now, the way it's deployed and the way it's used, and you think that defense could win a cup, I think you're crazy. And I think that the Leafs offense is there, especially when Nylander comes back and gets up to playing for him. But I think that there's a reason why this window is big and long. And they're going to be patient.

They have to be. They're big and long. And they play hard. There's a reason why this window, you know, you get Tavares under contract for as long as you have him. You've got Matthews. You've got Marner. You've got Nylander when he comes back. And then you've got these young defensemen coming up.

Two to three years from now, we may look a little bit more like the Tampa Bay Lightning do. I'm excited. But I gotta tell you, there's still a process here. Matthews is not even legally allowed to drink in Chicago. How about this? Like, I think we gotta remember that, right? This is his third season and he's still not legal to drink

in Illinois. Live in the moment, man. Enjoy it for what it is. Yeah. Lilligren's not a leaf yet. Yeah. Neither is Dersey or Sandin. And Mitch Marner's contract hasn't expired yet. Nope. Can we stop talking about it? Matthews, nope. We don't know what his number's gonna be. We don't

know one more note on the future a few people were like uh beyond caskey swole who the hell do the leafs have in the system jeff glass mr glass well well he's uh with the marlies they got zachary batelier who they just drafted they got joseph wool who's considered the best of the lot he's playing in ncaa but one guy i want to highlight who has started his whl season six and a 1.5 goals against average and a 9.49 save percentage. Garbage. Ian Scott.

So look for him. He got his name on the Calder Cup. Hey, by the way. If you would have just made up a name I would have been like, yeah. Yeah, Ian Scott. I have no idea who Ian Scott is. Nathan. He's like when you're three or four years into GM mode and they start making up names. Yeah. Name players. I have

I have like computer created name players from NHL 2001 that I still remember. Really? Oh man, Jeff Svom. What a great leaf. Oh wait, that was a computer game.

That was not a real person, Steve. He's not a great person. Jake and Smallwood, you have to shout him out. Jake and Smallwood, congratulations on getting your first WHL point a little bit overdue. I believe that happened September 27th. And he is in the game, by the way. He's in NHL.

Oh yeah. You can draft him. Oh, that's okay. And everybody must draft Jake and Smallwood. It's a rule. Absolutely. Absolutely. Playing with the Kootenai Ice of the WHO. There you go.

Are you moving on from the game yesterday? I am. Because there's one thing that we didn't mention. What? And that's Patrick Kane being upset with Auston Matthews. Did you see his post-game comment? He wasn't upset. I need to see the video of this.

He was not upset. The quote is, well, I mean, I didn't really like his celebration at first. Oh, boo! I know it's an emotional game out there, but I didn't really like him doing that. Even the ref was saying, maybe we could have called him for an unsportsmanlike on that. No, he wasn't! That upset me. Oh, my God.

I want to say, screw you, I'll fart in your dinner. But I See he and Matthews Like do promo shoots and stuff together I think they're both Bauer athletes They train every summer with Daryl Belfry So he's kidding right

I think he's kidding I've only read the quote I haven't seen a video of him doing tongue in cheek But he said it Matthews did the ear thing Kane did it right back to him And Matthews smiled on the bench Even though his team just coughed up another lead

I think he's kidding But if he's not, I fart in your food Yeah, really Get out of here Take your dumb Pilgrim collar and go away If you're not kidding By the way, Chicago, another team with a terrible collar

On their jersey The Pilgrim collar I was like, where are you going with this? It looks terrible Why do they do that? I don't know It doesn't look as bad as No, guys.

Who was the team you were ripping? Montreal. Yeah, that looks bad. Guys, it looks bad on both. There's another one that has a really bad one. I'm trying to remember who it is. Like, why would you put that color on there? What's wrong with you?

A couple of them got it really wrong. I mean, it doesn't bug me as much as it bugs you. Oh, it bothers me. It just bugs me. Like, why do that? No, it's just... It just looks so forced and gross. The quote finishes with,

when we scored to tie it up, I was happy to kind of give it back to him. We kind of smirked at each other, each other on the bench after that. That's funny. But he began it by saying I didn't really like

his celebration. I'd like to see video. I think it reads poorly. I think he's kidding. Yeah? Yeah. And also, I mean, Matthews, hopefully.

Hopefully he's kidding. Did you see Matthews post-game about it? I know. He was like, obviously, you know, he's a really competitive player and I'm really competitive.

All he has to do is go, yeah, I was pretty pumped up. Like, I don't understand. It'd be great if he was like, I don't know, I kind of thought we had the game in the bag. He did say that.

I forgot what team I played for. Oh, really? Yeah, and he's like, you know, we thought at that point we had the game, you know, sort of wrapped up. You know, unfortunately, we gave up a goal, but thankfully, we were able to win. He's got swagger now, man. I like it. He's really coming out of his shell.

I like it. I can't wait for the refs to start calling Austin Matthews on an unsportsmanlike. Can you imagine? For celebrating a goal. Can you? I give Chicago Blackhawks fans credit that they would boo that. Oh, yeah. They'd be like, are you serious?

There would be two fan bases that would really boo it outside of Toronto. It would be Philadelphia and Chicago. Philadelphia because they boo anything. They booed gritty, okay? Yeah, but it caused, it was a thing that caused another team pain. So they would probably enjoy it. But they'd be conflicted because it helped the Blackhawks who beat them in the Stanley Cup final. But did Matthews deserve it?

Did he celebrate too hard? No. Hockey is a sport where you shouldn't celebrate. You should put your head down, go back to the bench. Have they ever given a penalty for that? I don't know. Like the Ovechkin, like, warming his hand on the stick on fire? Like, that never...

Did Pavel Bure get one? He got scolded. Eh. But, no. That's stupid. Um... Stupid. Leafs goaltending is frustrating, but have we checked on the Blues lately?

No. So, this is the... The first week of the season is, like, the first round of the playoffs. Yeah. It's so hard to pay attention to everything. Jake Allen has played two games. he has allowed 10 goals on 55 shots. He has an 8-1-8 save percentage

and a 4.91 goals against average. At least it starts with an 8. So, now. Sample size. Sample size. He did this last year. Two games he turned it on last year. But Jake Allen is a bit streaky.

That's the one thing with the Blues where I'd say that's their Achilles heel because that is a strong NHL team. Well, but Jake Allen can be such a strong NHL goalie. the first two rounds of the playoffs and then everybody forgets about St. Louis.

Jeez. Well, they didn't make the playoffs last year. Or they don't make it. They're the team nobody really... Them and Minnesota. Minnesota.

Columbus. They do get good. Columbus for a while, but then they're kind of good now, but they still lose. It's funny because St. Louis and Minnesota

always make the playoffs. Yeah. And they're always good, but they're not good enough, I guess. I don't... Make me care about St. Louis. Wow.

Well, that's why I thought we should check in, because at least, listen, you could be having a bad time, but maybe not as bad as St. Louis is having with the goaltending, because that's my only point. And Jake Allen will turn it around, unless he doesn't. And the guy behind him is Chad Johnson.

I don't know about that, friend. I don't know about that. Now, Ocho Cinco. What should A, you see, because, yeah, well, he just decided you know, he wanted another adventure. Took him six months. That other guy was right. I forget his name. The other football player. Oh, the guy from the Jags

that keeps talking a lot of smack. What's his name? He's funny. I like him. He'll just go and be like, this quarterback is bad. So what do the Blues need? Jalen Ramsey?

Yeah, Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, Jalen Ramsey. He's been hilarious this year. Do the Blues need a backup who's a 1A? Or do they need a McElhinney type who, that's it. That's what he does. They need somebody who's going to help

Jake Allen put him in his happy place. And you would think Chad Johnson would be that guy, right? Because what they're saying now about the Leafs goaltending is, While McElhinney knew he was a backup And we know that Sparks wants to be a number one And that puts Freddie Anderson on his heels

Well they had it If that's going to throw Freddie Anderson off Then Freddie Anderson's not a number one goalie The point Brian Elliott and Jake Allen They had something good going But they don't have them anymore I also think Brian Elliott's not good It's amazing how they have two goalies

Who are so similar You just don't know what you're going to get every night But the whole point of having a guy who can start as your backup is sometimes your backup becomes your starter overnight. Look at the Panthers. Reimer might be their starter

for the foreseeable future. We haven't gotten word on Luongo's injury yet. Two to four weeks. So for the next two to four weeks, James Reimer's their starter. Sorry for the bad news, but he is. They also have a third guy. I forget. Can't remember who it is.

red obera they have red obera i don't know but that's the point yeah like okay red obera is still kicking around i know if macalini is starting 20 of 30 games or 25 of 30 games are you as stoked no i doubt it it's not even his job it's something he's done like once in his entire career you know it's i don't know teams need a guy who can start uh McElhinney wasn't awesome in that role when he when Freddie got hurt down the stretch a couple years ago

Florida's third goalie is Michael Hutchinson Florida's oh Michael that's right they had Reto Barrow last week they're paying him 1.3 million dollars to be their third goalie I think they might have saw this coming I also saw a few people

I think it was someone cheering for Calgary saying maybe the Flames take a look at James Reimer to sort of shore up their situation, but with Luongo out, I don't know, maybe the Panthers saw this coming. The guy's 40 or 41 or something. 39.

His contract runs till 2022. Yeah, I would expect a retirement before that. I think he might be on an island somewhere. Is there a cap recapture with that penalty? Because that's signed before that was one of those ridiculous contracts. The Panthers might be like, oh

he's hurt. What I would say is You gave Dean Lombardi a break On Mike Richards So where's my break What team that was at risk of cap recapture Has actually suffered the consequences Of cap recapture

Because the owner will go to Gary Bettman And go you better fix this You could argue The Red Wings Sort of because they had to trade Datsuk and his cap hit That cost zero actual dollars that's the closest anyone's come to actually paying consequence oh man you just wait until

shea weber counts as 14 million against the cat when oh when when is that gonna happen when it's yet to be seen it's like an offer sheet eat your vegetables or else capper capture is gonna come get you they might offer sheet martyr yeah do your homework or else you're gonna get offer sheeted like it's a scary monster Someone should go as Capra Capture for Halloween You know what? Sexy Capra Capture Please someone be sexy Capra Capture

And send us the picture What would you dress as? Sexy contract You'd just be a contract costume with like a garter I'm going to be sexy Julius Honka Is what I'm going to be In his first season Luongo had a base salary Of 10 million dollars

For the next after this year He'll be making 1.6 then 1 million than $1 million. Ah, so he'll be retiring this year. Cool. That's good. I hated the lockout so much when it happened, but now that we're several years down the line and we're still dealing with the consequences

of the pre- 2012 lockout, I'm like, I don't know. They had a couple points. And we'll be in a new one in two years. Honestly. Honestly. It's coming. I so desperately want this league to go to luxury

tax. The hard cap just sucks all the fun out of it yeah it makes it more interesting you think i like some of the cap elements like when we talk about it like hey how are you gonna fit this and that's kind of fun but i think it's fun from a talk perspective yeah and you lose some of that when you have just hey let's just add everybody we have 200 million dollars in the bank i don't i don't mean that i think like there should be a hard cap but i think there should be a luxury tax zone as in okay so the that so the cap this year is 79 and a half million i think something like that If you wanted to go to 90, you're going to have to pay two times that player's worth.

So you bring in a $5 million player, well, you're going to have to pay $10 million in luxury tax. Or like every dollar you go over, there's a $100,000 penalty. Bingo. Yeah, something crazy where, and then first off, the small market teams have to love that because the money's going to them. It goes to equalization payments. I've said this before. They have to do this, and they should have a hard cap, 100%, but it should be much higher. so that way you get it's a way to make more money for the league i don't know why they're not doing

this penalize the rich teams for being rich but they want it to be competitive yeah they think do you think that wouldn't make them competitive though there's more balance with the team because everybody's got to spread out the good players they want scenarios like ottawa in the third round exactly sure but it doesn't mean ottawa can't can't do that especially with the equalization it just makes it more difficult yeah yeah it's a list what is it leicester city that those still happen sometimes occasionally but they're really really rare and they fall off afterwards and they fall okay all right fine um are the canadians fun to watch again i told you i told you when in doubt go young and fast and they are told you devils they look like the the you're right the devils

told you yep the devils have played one game by the way fans were pissed off at that comparison But it was a compliment I hope the Habs If I'm a Habs fan Take the devil's lead On this They're fun to watch Keeping Kotkaniemi so far

Looks like absolutely the right decision Domi's full of piss and vinegar Domi Domi You can't really compare the trade Because Gauch is out with injury But for them to surprise the Penguins And again, I know it's, listen, the Ottawa surprise the Leafs.

It happens. But the, I think that was like an emotional victory for them. Like it almost gave Montreal some confidence. Oh my God, yeah. It would not affect the Penguins in the least. I told you, it reminded me of Matthew's four-goal game in some respects. They lost, but they came out of it going, holy shit, we're here. We can hang.

And like, I always say that the worst teams in the league are the teams where I don't know what they are. I know exactly what the Habs are. They're young, they're fast, and they're feisty. They're hungry. Domi, Shaw, Gallagher. All those guys, I think, thrive in a market like that. Gallagher especially. You know, Shea Weber's the captain.

And he gets to be the guy who looks tough and whatever. But for the most part, they're just young, fast, feisty. Also have Carey Price as their goaltender. I know exactly what they are. That helps. And it's to their advantage. How did we do on Hockey Night in Canada with Don Cherry? How do we do the Coach's Corner lineup?

So we guessed seven different things? I think so, yes. So, shout out Frozen Leafs fan Brian on Twitter. He made a graphic and everything? Yeah, he... He gave us half marks? That's amazing. He took a tweet, because he mentioned Ottawa,

but not really an Ottawa player. So he gave us a half point on that. Taveras, possibly Ennis, didn't lay off of that, didn't get to it, didn't get to the open night. Gabrentz and Hamannik, surprisingly, not there. but he did go Marchand didn't go Domi

but he praised Marchand and the thing that I nailed he called Eller Swedish I couldn't

believe it yeah yeah that was unbelievable couldn't believe it he's doing Swedish or Finnish couldn't believe it and then Wilson

and then the Hartfeldt moment you both got right so your whole list was Taveras Hartfeldt was Adam Gabranson Marchand

Domi Wilson and what you got right was half point for Ottawa Marchand Wilson and Hartfeldt

Yeah, and it's a shame because, like, whenever we do this, we're not going to have all the information we need. So, like, after we made our predictions, McElhinney plays an amazing game for Carolina. I probably would have predicted that, but... Yeah, because we're going to do it on, like, a Thursday or Friday morning, and there'll be games Friday and Saturday morning. But if we can hit 30% or 40%, I'm pretty proud of that.

That's all right. Do you like the 3.5 out of 7? Are you happy with that? 50%, man. Hey, that's a pass. That's a pass. I don't have to take it again next year. That's a French class pass.

It's a pass from high school. If you're an RTA, that's a fail. Who cares? Yeah, you've got to get 60%. Who cares? Who needs university anyway? Am I right? Am I right?

Nope. I came pretty close to failing. I just learned a couple times. I'm just ignoring you because you dropped out twice. That's what I said. Who needs university anyway? When you can succeed at life. Let's ignore the riffraff over here.

How about the RCC building? Oh, it's so good. I went to the OCC building I was at Ryerson Just a couple academics chumming Just a couple academics palling it up and chumming Where do you keep your sheepskin? Oh, just proudly displayed in my office

Moleskin, right? No, sheepskin What's sheepskin? Sheepskin is the diploma Moleskin is a notebook Yeah, I thought that's what you were talking about No, I'm talking about your diploma is made of sheepskin Is it really?

Why? Are we talking to you? You guys don't have vegan diplomas now? I'm surprised in a university they wouldn't have that. I don't know if it still is, but that's the old... Our diplomas made on paper made of elephant poo. We have that. By the way, did you know that's a thing?

No, that's cool. Yeah, the Toronto Zoo sells notebooks of paper made with elephant poo. That's summer. Jesse, when was the last time we got a new factoid about the zoo? Like one that we hadn't heard ten times before. That was a new one. I'm impressed. Did you know that I saw a guy sitting next to a giraffe?

Sorry. No, tell that one again So here's the deal Every week, we're doing our Don Cherry Fantasy Pool On the second episode of the week So we're going to give you our picks And then we're going to post them on Reddit And we're going to post them on Twitter

Feel free to send us yours You let us know, either you can totally agree with us Or you can go, no you guys are crazy, it's this And maybe we can shout out a few people Who get as close to right as possible Because that I think would be kind of fun So that's what we're going to try to do this year I I was funny how that stuff just happens. Yeah, we did we did not plan that that just kind of was like

Oh, I don't even like it. You're like guys It was half an hour You should on a great idea. Yeah, I didn't shit on the idea I should on the length of time it took cuz cuz Steve gets starting it. Okay, so what do we have? Okay? Okay, okay, but what do we have it was like, can we just can we line this up and get to it? You know out of maybe if you didn't drop out you would have I thought it was a great idea I don't know

in third year I think we learned a lot about structure and what makes great content so I think Steve and I have that intuition oh yeah

no question so glad to make it that far so gratified it's great when you can actually make it through things and commit we're not quitters

true never true nor have we ever been Flames win the second half of the back to back with the Canucks just of note

that Elias Pedersen's parents were still there But enough about Eric and Branson Have you seen that picture? No Going around today I think it was I forget his name

But he does graphics for Canucks Army It's just good Branson Getting in one of the Flames faces And Pedersen who looks like a literal child Next to him Trying to pull good Branson away But the caption is just Never speak to me or my son ever again

That's funny That's exactly what it looks like Pedersen He looks like a kid And he also And also Gretzky Yeah It was so great

Everyone was ripping John Shannon And then he scored another goal They're like Actually maybe Yeah I don't think I don't think Pedersen Gretzky

But if he's He's better If he's a level under He might be Oh I mean he's gonna be A phenomenal hockey player So much fun to watch He has a better chance

To win the Calder Than Gretzky did Yep So does Steve Dangle Where's the lie Why did Gretzky not win it No I'm over the age though Cause he played in the WHA

So that he was ineligible Cause he played Professionally He played a professional North American hockey So he was ineligible Yeah I mean I don't hate

The winner that year Which is Ray Bork But even Ray Bork Would be like Yeah it should have been me Because Gretzky I think Tied Marcel Dion Like his first year

Leading Like it's stupid Well and like He played Professional hockey In North America But Panarin Played professional hockey

Over in Russia For like five years And was 24 He was yeah And he was 24 By the end of the season He waltzes in As a fully grown man

And can win it What's up guys McDavid's like, come on. Literally, he would have been graduating high school and McDavid would be getting into grade 7. Oh my god. Like, that's the spread on that. Nah, but he's a rookie.

He's a real rookie. Let him go. He's a rookie. You walk into high school, you're 25. He's in grade 9. How do you do, fellow rookies? Let him play volleyball. Do you let a 22-year-old

play volleyball in grade 9? Oh my god, he's like the 25-year-old who went back to high school and dominated basketball. You don't have a birth certificate? He looks 12. He's crushing. That's amazing. And everyone's like, alright.

I was listening back to the rugby story I told where my team had like a 20 or 21-year-old, and the more I listened to it, the more I realized that's not okay and should not be allowed. It's probably assault. Yeah, it's not cool. It's not cool that they let him Play with 14 year olds It was kind of messed up

So Ilya Kovalchuk scores his First point in five years Did you see it? What a bum No Oh it was a nice little setup for Anze Kopitar But you have to give Anze Kopitar a lot of credit

Because he Anze Kopitar'd it into the net It was like It was one of those like Unless It was a good pass Like they enter You know they enter the offensive zone Kovalchuk makes the pass to Kopitar

Kopitar streaks down But if it's not Kopitar getting that I don't think it's a goal I just wonder With Ilya Kovalchuk It's too early to know what he is But what do you think he is? I think he's roughly what he was before he left, man

You think he's that? Is he an 80 point player? I really No, no, no, no, no I'm just talking about type I don't really think he's lost a step To be honest Like he's still skilled

He's still fast He's underratedly strong and nasty. Dirty, dirty player. Like, he never, never got the flack he deserved for being dirty. But, no, he's a good addition to the Kings, man. Really good. Hell of a consolation prize for Max Pacioretty. No kidding.

Pretty good. But he better stay healthy because that's a hefty price tag. Pretty notable injuries this week. We obviously talked about Roberto Luongo. Joe Thornton is on the IR. His surgically repaired knee from this summer Not the one from last summer He's had both knees worked on in consecutive summers

Swelled up So he is on the injured reserve It's an infection I was reading You got an infection The update is that they might expect him back sooner than later Well usually infections they can clear that out Unless it's like a bad staph infection Yeah I guess with the swelling they thought

Oh maybe it was a setback or something But with antibiotics it should clear it up and he'll be fine JVR will be out 5-6 weeks with a lower body injury, we don't know much more than that. That's brutal. Now... That does suck. But, good cap savings for the Flyers. I hate to say it, but it is. Uh, well, I

did hear something about JVR when he was still with the Leafs, and there were rumors he was gonna get traded, and there were questions around the league about, um... Basically, he's a guy who requires a lot of body maintenance, which I thought

was annoying, because, like... What does that mean? well you like a lot of time in the massage table and stuff like that but there's so many players around the league who have that but you're talking about a player who was uh about to become a free agent and was going to require like a huge investment from a team and there were some teams that were worried about that investment now he's what two or three games in with the flyers already out five to six weeks i didn't see how he sustained the injury is it is it on twitter or something if it's like he blocked a shot something i'll feel bad hang on hang on hang And I believe I've got the breakdown here.

Oh, that's the wrong player. That's Thornton. His last significant injury was with the Leafs 15-16. Yeah, when he had his thing broken. And it might have been an injury. He probably could have come back. The Leafs were in playoff contention when he went down. They were like in eighth place or something or ninth place.

It was injured in the second game of the season. left after the first period after seeing five minutes of ice time. So not really much. So there's no play that caused the injury. Not one that I can see. Now, that might be wrong, and Flyers fans, feel free to correct me on that one,

but I haven't seen anything that says that's the... Anyway. Flyers scored goals without him last year. Yeah, they'll be fine. So hopefully he comes back and makes them even stronger. That is why you don't trade Wayne Simmons away. And also, Brandon Dubinsky will be up for a month. Yeah, people thought that because they signed JVR, they don't think they're going to be able to afford Simmons.

I think Simmons is going to be... When he expires, he's going to get paid. Yeah. He's going to be... Deservedly so. Yeah. Remember how like seven was the magical number this year? Simmons is getting seven.

Yeah. I wonder... Galaxy brain me for a second. Oh, yeah. So you can't sign Willie. So you do what all the city of Toronto Seems to want to do And you trade him for that young defenseman

Trade him for that young defenseman Or Do you then go out and sign Wayne Simmons To bring him back to Toronto In free agency How dare you You know

Okay By the way Terrible idea Keep Willie I love Wayne Simmons I want him to come back home We can't afford him No

It's not going to happen But I love Wayne Simmons They can barely afford the players they have But he's such a fucking asshole. I love him. Can he play D? Yes. He's like he's a 60 point guy who can play both ends of the ice

and he's nasty. Can we put him on defense? Oh no. If not. Like Sammy Kavanaugh style. No we can't do that. Throw him on defense because I don't know we kind of need to. We just need you to do it. We just talked about having four guys on the PK. Why not? Why not? Screw it.

No that's not going to happen. And similar to our goalie conversation earlier. Aha! We got two guys. One of them goes down. Well, at least we got one. It's better than going, uh, Josh, you know how to take a face off?

Well, you're gonna learn. I want to look something up before I show you guys this, because it, there's an Islanders game going on right now. Don't look over here. Against the Sharks. Do not look over here right now. I didn't see anything. And it is, this is just about the most painful thing you're ever

going to see. And this may sum up the Islander season, but just as it gets started. Now, I'm looking for the player. Okay. So it's Adam Pelich. Pelich. Pelich. Okay. Sorry. Sorry, Adam. And the San Jose Sharks are completely out of position on this play. So imagine

you, everybody has overcommitted to the corner. You're the opposite team. You're in their zone. So the goalie and the two defensemen have overcommitted. So you're basically the Leafs. And you have a wide open net yawning even what do you do you miss or if you're adam you he's showing us right now oh he's right in front it's a gift and he passed it passed it to barzal

oh my god oh my god who's the avalanche player who passed it on the breakaway I think this is worse. That is so bad! This is worse! You're on a breakaway, the goalie might stop you. This is, there's nothing! Oh my, what are you doing? Oh, that's dumb!

Who stopped the 3-on-0 last night? Is that what you're referring to? Someone stopped the 3-on-0 last night? There's a 3-on-0. No, that's, no, no, no. I was talking about the year the Avalanche were, like, incomprehensibly bad. They got a, Blake Como got a breakaway, and he turned around and passed it and gave it away.

Not to be confused with Lake Como in Italy. What is it? Lago di Como. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't...

What do you know that? Because I want to go there on vacation one day. Apparently, it's very nice. It was Carter Hutton. What the hell? It's up to 3-0 on Saturday. Whoa. Nice save.

It was literally three guys. No one. Underrated pickup by the Sabres. The Sabres. There we go, right? Also, underrated crisis. That's incredible. Yeah, it was a great save.

Warren was tweeting about it this morning. Rangers 0-3. Well, they are supposed to be bad. And this is the thing, right? Like, they said that. I don't know if I'm sold with the Rangers. I liked what they did at the end of last season, for sure. But I'm not sold that they're totally stoked with being crappy.

Like, to build for the future. I'm not convinced. What choice do they have? It's hockey It doesn't matter They want to win They're in the sports business man So I'm

I know they're They said they're rebuilding And they should be patient I don't know if they're gonna be Who is their new coach? I don't even know The New York Rangers? Yeah

I lost track It's not Alain Vigneault The New York Rangers Head coach Is David Quinn Ah yes David Quinn Of the Quinn Dynasty

Former Boston University Head coach They've gotten a lot of guys Hotbed of hockey Boston University B.U. Man Ah the boo

Shout out Baby boo Shout out the boo Shout out the boo If you're a rookie Are you baby boo? Oh How dare you

Rookie from UMass Or is B.U. not UMass Move on Big difference Big difference Let's go to the press conference Yay Well we're already here

Yeah Wow We've talked for a while Have we? Oh look at the time What? The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference.

I thought we were in like the first half of the show. Wow. We did a lot of Leafs talk. I think that's why. I've also, okay, so on the way here, I was still fighting off my NyQuil that I took way too late last night. And so I had coffee

and then chocolate-covered espresso beans to combat it. And now that the NyQuil's gone, I'm just on fire. Time is going so slow Because it's literal galaxy brain Have you ever seen Over the Hedge? It's like an animated movie That's like B-rated But Steve Carell is a squirrel in it

And he like drinks an energy drink And the world slows down for him So he's like already super fast But when he drinks the energy drink It's like everything slows down Hilarious That's how I feel right now I'm gonna go make three LFRs when I get home

I'm just going to predict the outcome in the next three games. Yes, Jesse? We have two options on what a unicorn is. Is a unicorn an overweight rhinoceros? Or is it more like an elephant – or is a rhinoceros more like an elephant and a unicorn at a one-night stand? I would say it's that one on account of – a unicorn wouldn't be an overweight rhinoceros. No, a rhinoceros is an – I said we have two options. We have two options for a rhinoceros.

Sorry. Oh. Is a rhinoceros an overweight unicorn, or is a rhinoceros an elephant and a unicorn? At a one-night stand? At a one-night stand. That one. That one. It looks, yeah, it's about halfway.

It's not a, its horn isn't even in the right place. For a unicorn? Yeah. Like, being overweight doesn't, like, cause things to, like, shift down your head. I don't know. Could I mean You know I've never tried it I've never gone

My goodness my keratin deposits have shifted down my face. Do you want to know who? Who wrote that comment on our reddit what their username is yes their username is PM underscore me underscore dirty underscore dangles Do they mean the player Or do they mean Steve Block them They're not allowed on the Be at me dirty dangles

It would be kind of funny To put together a compilation Of just screen grabs Of Steve looking sexy When he's not trying to So like Dangle out of context So

There's already a Tumblr It's called Steve Dangle out of context I'm pretty sure That'd be funny And yeah Out of context Some of the things they say

Are pretty wild This got four upvotes Oh wow Phaneuf is underrated Throughout this suggestion How would you guys feel about a possible Return to Toronto for Dion Phaneuf

Luke Shen I believe that he could be a really good stabilizing Force beside any of the Leafs Mobile LD Especially if Hainsey gets slower Love the pod and look forward to the book Steve Hey thank you Hey I'm writing a book

Listen, I get where you're going I was open to that idea in the summer Here's the thing He's not where the league is going He's slower than Ron Hainsey Yeah, well, and also Also, there's just Like, let's say he is a decent third pair guy

That's not the problem The problem is First pair, second pair First and second pair They need a guy They need what, like, Lilligren is expected to be soon, but not yet. Like, they got third-pairing guys waiting in the wings, even. Martin Marincin, you know, played that role admirably.

I think Justin Hollett could play that role admirably. There's a couple guys with the Marlies right now who I think could play that role admirably. They need a top-four guy, not Luke Shannon. Luke Shannon can't be that. i appreciate you trying i appreciate the the effort you're trying you're using your imagination which too many people forget i think on hockey twitter what do you think about a trade involving this team and this player fucking stupid no okay right off the bat like that we're not going to try to finagle a couple

things around. See if we can retain some salary. Maybe throw this guy in the deal. A couple picks. No, just fuck it. Right there. That quick. Alright. Sorry for offending you. Is that it? Come on. There's gotta be more.

Update from last episode. I asked the question is do we share in holiday with the states? Yes, we do. Today is Columbus Day. Indigenous Peoples Day. And in some cities, as Trex20 points out, in some cities they've changed it to Indigenous People's Day because Columbus was an asshole. Yeah.

You know, he started the whole slave trade thing. It wasn't good. Yeah. Is that why Thanksgiving is this weekend for us? Now, was Columbus an asshole or were most European countries assholes at that point? Let's not just put one guy there. It isn't just him. It was like the prevailing thought of the time.

You know, outside of Columbus, things were all right. Man, this Columbus was an outlier. No, it wasn't. In fact, they were all terrible. It's a shame he had to be the guy. They were even bad to their own people. Like, it was literally like there were several families, and then everybody else got the shit end of the stick.

I'm out of my depth here. Anyway. I don't know. Happy, happy, happy to you for celebrating. Happy, happy to you. I like to go through the Reddit, and I click things that say, Adam being wrong is their headline. Do you guys remember when Adam went on a 30-minute rant about how stupid the L.A. Rams are?

Now they're 4-0. You're absolutely right. And you know what? Jared Goff looks phenomenal. I'll take the L on that one. I know that name. Someone also wrote, what a fantastic sample size. Well, that's one-fourth of the entire season.

So it's a pretty big sample size. 4-0 is a good start. And he's a big reason why they're great, too. But I have to tell you, at the time, and you get this from time to time, you make wrong predictions about people. No, never. At the time, people were like, are they insane? People in that draft looked at the quarterbacks that were available and said, wasn't that James Winston's draft too? I believe it was.

Where they thought, none of these guys are going to be, and James Winston was picked number one overall, and still hasn't fully, he's a starting quarterback, but I don't think he's been okay. But Ryan Fitzpatrick almost took his job in three games. Ryan Fitzpatrick. And that's the thing. So sometimes they go, I don't see a quarterback in this draft that could be dominant. And Tom Brady goes in the fourth round. You know what I mean? Jergoff was the number one pick in that draft.

Oh, he was the number one. So Winston was two? Or was that the number one? It was the Carson Wentz draft. So it was Goff, Wentz in terms of QBs. And Carson Wentz is a player too. Yeah, yeah. Those are the top two picks.

So yeah, I was wrong. You're absolutely right. I totally take the horns on that one. And that's why. I am not an NFL GM. Weirdly, they would not hire me. I know it's strange to some people. I got, I get.

You call yourself an NHL expert? I got the Connor from, from the Jets and the Connor from the Steelers mixed up. And, because there's a Kyle Connor with the Jets and I called the Steelers guy Kyle Connor instead. I've been hearing about that for about three weeks. I think we can let that go now, guys. I did get that wrong. No. that's we were discussing like oh man we'll have to keep track of of our predictions for

coach's corner nope no no we will not because if we're wrong because if we're wrong i think we will be made aware and that's beautiful hey we like it i'm okay with it speaking of beautiful the podcast is on spotify isn't that wonderful and beautiful and great so and it took jesse how long to do? What do you mean? To throw it on Spotify. Like one day they just decided

we're not going to be difficult anymore. Yeah, so they opened up a beta for Spotify for podcasts. So that's where we submitted it and it got accepted. So yeah, we're all good right now. Is that maybe why

it's not working for some people? I've only seen two complaints that they can't find our podcasts on Spotify. It might just be a Canadian thing for now. I don't think so. Well, tweet us.

Let us know. If you're an American, let us know. The Spotify podcast platform We're still in beta, so it might not be available everywhere. Why is it so difficult? The biggest thing hindering podcasting as an industry is the fact that Apple will not release the numbers. We have to get the numbers from an alternate source.

And then the second biggest thing is access to them. Like, why does it take this long to get podcasting on Spotify? Every time— Well, it's a new medium, Adam. It's so— And Spotify's focus has always been on music, so I don't blame them. Yeah, I guess. It's a new endeavor that they're doing.

Yeah. But I mean, like, I guess my frustration has always been, you know, they allowed years ago stuff you should know and all the other big podcasts on. It's like, just let people get on. Like, what did, if you're allowing them to get on, just let us get on. Who cares? You're just, you're just getting more plays. Who cares?

You, you, for the people that are not paying the subscription fee, it's more advertising for you. Yeah. I don't know, but we have it. It drives me nuts. Yeah. Now we're there. So you can find us on Spotify.

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