The Steve Dangle Podcast - Swappy Doodle Doo | October 25, 2023

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, We couldn't watch Frozen Frenzy in Canada (00:00), Toronto takes care of business against the Capitals (13:00), Edmonton loses their first game without McDavid (41:00), Flames lose, Sens lose, and Brady Doesn't lose a game (1:06:00), and the NHL reverses its Pride Tape ban (1:14:00). See Game Over live in Edmonton! -->> https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/game-over-edmonton-calgary-live-event-tickets-743757658177?aff=oddtdtcreator Steve's Rachel's Raiders page: https://eastersealsontario.akaraisin.com/ui/LindrosHockeyClassic2023/p/96a4194d1b5343b69afedfd1ebf95cca Jesse's Rachel's Raiders page: https://eastersealsontario.akaraisin.com/ui/LindrosHockeyClassic2023/p/653dce76124441bf99a9bc4a2f40c837 Adam Wylde's Rachel's Raiders page: https://eastersealsontario.akaraisin.com/ui/LindrosHockeyClassic2023/p/8bcc151fe6184ff28a16d18d7e2f9b27 Visit this episode's sponsors: Use code SDP for $20 off your first SeatGeek order: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SDP Make your brain your friend, with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/sdp today to get 10% off your first month. Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake 32 teams in action last night in the nhl and if you lived in ontario and had basic cable you couldn't watch them it's cool eh uh thank you to the providence in vancouver uh sorry excuse me the province which is still one of the great newspapers in this country and there are very very few newspapers left uh but they kind of did a breakdown they print hard copies i don't know i don't know uh i would imagine not uh but uh they did say um there's just a blog adam they did yeah then it's a blog yeah uh they they have um you know it's kind of true right if there's no newspaper it's a blog it's a subscription blog I mean, I don't want to be this guy on account of the state of the industry, but after some of the shit that people talked in 2013, well, well, well, welcome to the blogosphere, everybody.

Looks like you're here, and Mom's Bay's been along with us. Frozen Frenzy aired on ESPN last night And the province did an article This is done by Patrick Johnston About why we couldn't get that in Canada And the reality is that we did have that in Canada for a bit Just not on like a special night It was like Steve and Jeff and Jason York

On Twitter of all places Ice surfing It was so good I'm still mad about it They used to do it with Jay and Dan on the NHL Network too Back in the day when that was at Asian Court Don't remember 20 years ago

Don't recall But because baseball took precedence on all the Sportsnet channels, you couldn't watch the—so cable subscribers in the Pacific and West Divisions will have access to the Vancouver Canucks in Nashville and the Oilers at Minnesota Broadcast, respectively, while viewers in all regions will be able to watch the Flames and Rangers on 360. But if you're a subscriber to basic cable in Ontario, you won't be able to watch any of these games. The only to watch is Sportsnet Plus But if you're in Toronto And you have Sportsnet Plus You cannot watch You had to watch on TSN

Because it was a regional game And that's why we don't get the frozen frenzy thing in Canada Because for some reason They didn't do this on a Wednesday night Which is the national night They did it on a Tuesday I don't know I mean the NBA is kicking off this week

So maybe that was part of it It was counter programming for ESPN is what how they looked at it going into it it's we're gonna build a whole night around this property that we haven't done the best job promoting since we've had the rights to hockey in america so we're gonna try and do go the extra mile and we're gonna build this nfl red zone style show around hey big night in mlb big night in nba if you don't want that we also have programming which i think was really smart by them but for it was also programming it was also programming so But for Canadians, it just falls on the wrong night because Sportsnet can't show it because

TSN had the game last night. Right. And the games that Sportsnet could have shown, they didn't need to show the playoffs across all their major cable networks, but they do want you to sign up for Sportsnet Plus. So the way to do that is to put it on 360 so you can't watch it with a basic cable package. I wonder if it drove subscriptions. I have no idea. I don't know how that works.

There must be a reason they do that. I would think for them if the whole goal is like the executive there, you know, Adam's chief boss at Sportsnet. Ha ha, I'm taking all your money. And he goes down to the underlings and he says, hey, even though you have COVID, I need you to work today. And like he did with Andrew Berkshire. And he says, hey, drive up Sportsnet Plus subscriptions. And they say, what's our biggest property? Hockey.

So let's pull it off of the TV and throw it on the plus. And by the way, we're suffering out west with Sportsnet Plus subscriptions. So let's make sure all of them are on the add-on channels, right? Well, that's what I would do if I was an evil businessman. This happened last year with the Leafs Canucks game, which is the biggest English audience that Sportsnet could possibly have. And so the Saturday night game, they didn't want to give it away for free on YouTube, you know, with scumbags like me.

So I was doing, I think it was like Oilers Habs instead of Leafs Canucks. and that was the night Marner broke the consecutive points record and I didn't get to do it I was salty I remember that and I remember leading up to that we were saying won't it be hilarious when and it was and it happened and it was

and you can see on my face you can see the disappointment on my face the moment he scored in the other game because the comment section was just full of Marner broke it Marner broke it Marner broke it I'm like

cool cool great now glad i didn't get that cool moment the uh one thing i can remember and this probably was like 2011 or 2010 my ex-girlfriend so my girlfriend at the time it was like 20 or 21 years old she was working for the blue jays that summer and that was the first year that uh bautista broke out in those in the black jays jerseys uh who's this guy from the pirates he had 50 home runs and edwin had just joined the team as well uh mid-season trade and so the team was kind of exciting right it was sort of like they weren't going to make the playoffs but it was exciting that they had a player that could do that so sportsnet launched sportsnet one and they took all the september blue jays games and put them on sportsnet one and nobody had that in

their cable subscription and of course there was no app to watch it on back then so you had to call the cable company and you had to add the channel and the channel was like an extra five or six bucks a month and i remember they were honoring cito gaston because i believe that was his last year as the manager and so they bring out and i remember this is the last game of the season i'm there because thank i don't know what it was but with jay's employees back then you got free tickets to every game if you wanted them so i was so many of them so people didn't want jay's tickets at that time yeah uh so it was a dark era for 20 years some time with her i would like go to the games with her then watch the game and then wait till she was done and then go home because

it was there's a game like every night throughout the summer so you had to see each other somehow so i'm at this last game i've seen probably 40 games this year that wow i was at a ton of jay's games and um i can remember uh they were bringing out the the president of the organization which would have been paul b not paul beaston paul beaston uh and then the ceo of rogers nadir muhammad and everybody goes boo like the entire place booing because they're all like all the most hardcore Jays fans are there and they know what's happened to the games in September and they're not happy about it but but did it work might have worked I did it I don't know well no I you know I well yeah the state of television in Canada is notably great it's good it's awesome so

I don't I don't know if it did uh would love to see ice surfing back in Canada I'm sure sports net would too but it was nice to see um it was nice to see uh ESPN really making an effort for hockey and something else that's going on today and i was going to save this story for later but since we're on the topic is austin matthews is going to be on the pat mcafee show today and wow that is a that's an enormous deal the nhl tweeted about it from there not the nhl pr account the nhl account wow okay okay pat mcafee's been tweeting about it been talking about it it's a big deal because in the first year that the that that espn had hockey last year you know for for the first time in 20 years they really tried to shoehorn it into places it didn't belong like

they tried to make steven a smith talk about he doesn't care if he doesn't care it's really hard for him to authentically talk about it um and so they really didn't find a lot of great inroads to bring hockey in but enter the pat mcafee show uh which was enormous on youtube uh has an enormous following and pat's from pittsburgh which instantly makes him a great person uh but this is i think this is interesting because when you put it in context we are going to see a mexican-american athlete from arizona represent the nhl on one of the biggest shows on espn which is the biggest sports network in the united states i think that's a really positive step forward and you know i think it also matters that he's exciting you know and fun like he's not talking to like normal

reporters no offense to all of them he's a fun guy yeah i mean you know he maybe doesn't have the you know charisma of like muhammad ali in his prime or something like that but like he's cool he's people like talking to him he's he's conversational um and like all due respect to sydney crosby who's you know a great guy great player ambassador all that um you know as soon as you take the washer and dryer out of the way remember he used to go on uh talk shows and shoot pucks into the washer dryer yeah because that's what he did at home because that's what he did at home and oh yeah okay it's it's like the i didn't do it kid you know but once once you see that a few times you're like all right get a new bit yeah yeah like matthews is a uh he's a good

conversationalist and like he's up to date on like pop culture and stuff like that and he hangs out with justin bieber and he's he's interesting to talk to so uh like i'd be curious how many uh more interesting ambassadors there are in the nhl than him i don't think that's just toronto bias it helps that he scores a shitload of goals and it helps that he's an american yeah yeah absolutely listen uh do americans love their own a little bit of american athletes they love being champions of the world and like you know i guess you know connor mcdavid here's another canadian who shoots the puck real well you know what i mean and and and fortunately or unfortunately because he's playing for the Oilers, has a lot of scowls.

There's a lot of scowling McDavid shots out there. And, well, and, like, Americans, I don't want to speak for you, but I think a lot of people watching the show, who the NHL wants to speak to and get on their side, would be like, he plays where? Well, yeah. Edmonton? Sure, what's Edmonton?

And, like, I'm not saying that to shit on Edmonton. Obviously, Canadians know Edmonton, but, like, in North American sports, I mean, how many markets are there? i was at a bon jovi concert once and he called uh he called uh ontario a state like you know and it's and it's i guess i understand i get it yeah it makes sense we would never call new york a province because we know we wouldn't because we know but it's like that that the knowledge that we have of the states is not is not is not coming back the other way and that's because we're smaller i'd love that perspective i'd love to get an american's

blunt and honest perspective on that because we're always like oh they don't know anything outside of the states and but the the the brash pushback you often get is yeah why would we like oh yeah we're gonna learn uh everything about canada why why yeah the size of new york who cares yeah there's the same amount of people in the state of california as there are in in canada and california is a bigger economy yeah like i don't like the seventh biggest i don't blame them but like if pat mcafee was smart he would have on the more personable higher scoring american which is jack hughes you you i i i am kicking drew out of every group chat he is poisoning my friend yeah it's true i will not have it if they wanted if espn was actually doing their

due diligence they would get the guy with the bigger personality and who can score more goals and is off to a hotter start and who is also american from orlando florida jack hughes he actually has fewer goals bum ass more points no just a bunch of assists probably all secondary they're all primary what a bum what a piece of garbage who is a younger handedly wrecking shop for my family maybe a little more handsome all right all right let's not yeah let's not be come on you can't take that back jesse i said it you said it i said what i said uh let me ask you this um can you see a world where and i know that these these guys are paid to do this but can you see a world where you know how aaron rogers appears every tuesday and i think it's nick

saban that's every thursday on pat i can you see an austin matthews every week i mean that'd be cool would he say the same thing every fucking week like the quarterback who doesn't play i don't think so i think austin would have different things to say okay cool so he'd have like a relevant opinion that changes every week he's got to be the last guy objects he's got to be the last guy on earth still going at fauci did you know that uh yeah no he's not he's representative of the last group what did you know that he didn't get vaccinated no what here no he got inoculated aaron you're cool you're cool you got there he got inoculated you've you've been given cool approval you can stop fucking saying it like what's your opinion on anything else shut up

shut up he you know even for people that are like anti-vax he's kind of boring like yeah we get it you don't like vaccines what else what else and what uh right it's got it you got to have a personality that goes beyond that yeah definitely don't say the same thing every week with the same smug i don't know fucking anything asshole smile 100 yeah 100 can you tell i don't like him we had uh we had a a hell of a lot of games last night i'm gonna go through some of the ones with the big storylines and i start with the leafs because it's of course it's the sdp of center of the universe two things two things number one joseph wall holy shit uh 17 shots faced in the first and he was perfect including the callback goal by the way the video review

crew is what now is it 10 for 10 11 of 11 i think it's 13 for 13 wow they're 10 for 10 I thought they were 11 for 11. I thought they were 10 for 10 last time. I thought. Don't let him finish that sentence. Don't let him. I won't. Don't.

Sheldon Keefe and the video crew are 10 for their last 10. Overall, Sheldon Keefe as a coach is 16 for his last 17. Wow. Wow. Thanks, Mr. Fizer. I appreciate it. Yeah.

There you go. Oh. Or you can just sit there and be like, I remember. I guess you'll just believe anything. I fucking hate his face so much. I hate his stupid face so much. All right. All right.

All right. So the Leafs had. Fuck off. The Leafs had. Also, when you're positioning a camera, position it down. Don't like. Everybody's like this. Why doesn't nobody know that?

You're giving advice to somebody who does not care. Well, very clear. What impression did he give you that he cares? Yeah. Or thinks. Also, very good quarterback. extremely good that's why i drafted him on my fantasy very talented on the football field uh the leafs had 17 shots all game which the caps had 17 in the first yep wall stopped 36 now i have

asked this question this is going to be the third time and i'm going to ask it again when is joseph wall going to be the starter how soon will we announce this last night last night was the night yeah now until further notice because this is always until further notice yeah well that's how it works with goalies um i mean if andre vasilevsky is you know comes back in his complete dog shit until valentine's day jonas johansson becomes the lightning starter how how bad would he have to be for jonas quite bad like because he's here's the thing with a guy like vasilevsky and i don't know if you guys agree with this he's maybe a bad example if andre vasilevsky has an 880 save percentage in december nobody's freaking out if if ilya samsonov does for the

month of december people are freaking out it's because vasileski has the resume he has a longer track record of i'm good right which is relevant just shisterkin's an interesting one because he was the best goalie in the world two years ago and then was a little ho-hum last year and if he were to be poor well he's backed up by jonathan quick like i'm trying to picture a scenario i don't think that's a good one either jonathan quick would take over but um samsonov doesn't have a long enough track record of success he was good last year he was good um but he doesn't have a long enough track record of success and he started the season poorly wool's been fucking great it's impossible to not acknowledge that wool has at very least been the better goalie

through six games which is six games yep yep but he's been the better goalie against washington who cannot score water in the ocean right now and against Chicago. Those are the two teams he's played, right? Still really like him. Still really, really like him. He's been the better goalie. Are you going to take this Shostakhin hate, by the way?

No, that was a weird thing. That was hatred, right? We need to ask, is he bad? Shostakhin? Yeah, is he bad? Are the Rangers bad? um the caps their offense is just it's not there wow it's it's it's it's surprising to watch just this dead zone where they can't muster any kind of goals wool um had i don't know two three really

good saves yeah no he made saves he made saves but it was just a big old bunch of bullshit ovechkin had 14 shots on goal where where early on during the power play like he he got a whole bunch of those one-timers right on goal but it wasn't right on goal or right on joseph wool's logo yeah that's what i mean like right on to the goalie like i am not used to being like that was a bad shot from alex ovechkin like he was completely fighting it still scored still scored that's he's so ridiculous right now the washington capitals are last in the league in goals four through five games they have scored a total of six where are they in shots in terms of shots Shots per game.

Shots per game. Jess, you're bringing up NHL edge. No, it's regular NHL. They sit 28th. Oh, shit. Really? 27.2 shots per game. The Leafs got outshot by 20 by the team in 28th?

The team's below Washington. Vancouver, which is a little circumstantial because they've been winning. Yeah. Chicago, who's terrible. San Jose, who's terrible. and the blues who have just been in the same with the capitals they can't score at all but that's a lot of them uh moving their defensive systems and then it losing a lot of their offense because they're playing less kind of open hockey so the blues are just struggling offensively too but

yeah the caps just they can't do anything on the offensive side this season i have a question about that their offense specifically and ovechkin who scored both goals last night even though one of them counted uh um when giordano hooked ovechkin and it led to the penalty shot i wanted to give giordano a trophy because because a i think if when it comes to penalties i think getting a two minute penalty is worth way more than getting a penalty shot especially for a guy like ovechkin and i don't know what his career shootout thing is but i have to be honest he's not a guy that scores that way well okay what is he what has been more successful for him the power play where he scored his 300th power play goal which is insane 300 power 100 how many players in nhl

history have even reached 300 goals of any kind like it's a difficult mark to hit yeah um what is more dangerous him on the power play or him in the shootout or on a penalty shot it's i mean without even looking at the numbers it's him on the power so this is this is what i'm curious about this in the nhl this is a very bizarre rule because if i were to hook you in the neutral zone i'm going for two but if you skate past me if you skate past me and you create a scoring chance you're gonna get a one-on-one with a goalie who's got a clear look at you the entire way i think you should have the option to decline the penalty shot and yes i agree you want the numbers adam last night they had it on the broadcast actually because it was a historic

penalty shot alexander ovechkin it was his the 13th of his career which ties him with vinnie le cavalier for most ever all time vinnie in terms of penalty shots and out of those 13 he has scored twice wow it's a good trade for 13 oh my god 100 of the time so so here let me expand on your idea i agree that teams should have the option to decline the penalty shot i think they should call more penalty shots like the what i saw there that's fair if you had the option to decline maybe they would well maybe they would it's it's like uh the offside thing they're calling fewer because they're like just let it go and we'll figure it out after yeah we'll figure it out on video replay and it'll change the game like calling a major penalty you can review any any major

penalties call everything a major penalty yeah go check it yeah yeah go go check it it's i love when refs go relax i haven't made a decision relax um no like they're there you see them the players go what the fuck and the ref goes dude dude i'm gonna look at the screen relax i don't know either i don't i don't know i don't know but with with like the goaltender interference last night uh there are so many situations where like if they had called that a goal i'd be like yeah i don't know what the fuck like who knows what goaltender interference is these days guys in the net i don't know might be allowed but it's the same with a penalty shot it it just changes like the winds i have no idea what is a clear breakaway what is oh he was a little at

the side i would like to see them call more penalty shots especially if it's paired with your idea of you have the option to uh decline it because now now that we have the number i feel even more strongly that washington would prefer the power play now the nhl sucks for this because the reason that they're not allowed to i can tell you is nobody would ever call a penalty shot yeah because it doesn't make sense numbers wise numbers wise you never do it no unless it's like there's 30 seconds left in a game and it's caril caprizov and you're like hey i want to get my fans something fun to cheer for and we're upset no like because maybe there's not enough time to setup like there's all that's what i'm thinking like 10 seconds left in the game there's not

enough time to do a power play so you're like i'd take the penalty shot well i mean there's there's another possible rule adjustment i would have the leafs took a penalty with like 12 seconds left or whatever you would continue the no it was the blackhawks with i think it was less than 20 seconds left in what was at the time i think a one goal game and i'm like well i mean of course they did you take that trade every time yeah there's only 20 seconds left who gives a shit But then you would get the defending team keep taking penalties to extend the game and try and score shorthand. Yes, there would definitely be some Roger Nielsen shenanigans going on.

That is exactly the sort of thing he would have taken advantage of. So I'm not sure. You should have the option. It makes so much – because it's a penalty. Like that is what the infraction is. You committed a penalty on the ice. Why does this one be a penalty shot and the other one is a power play? You should have the option to have a power play.

You would – like if I'm Mark Giordano in that situation, I'm going to the ref. It was clearly from behind. it was clearly from behind giving a penalty shot yeah that should be a rule that's a veteran move the other thing i would say is um the uh the two minute penalty um like maybe a lot of people would say well okay if if no teams take the penalty shot right if then then there goes the excitement in the game and i would say i would argue that a two minute penalty is more exciting for a longer period yeah it's a tuning driver like in terms of like if you look at it from a broadcasting

perspective it's a moment where you go from leaning back to leaning in no matter what side you're on it adds drama a hundred percent because like i was i was about to say like well mcdavid would take the penalty shot and then i was like wait a second no he wouldn't he's on the oilers and their power plays one of the greatest power play scores of all time but imagine though imagine a situation where the oilers have the best power play in the league and he goes no i'm taking the penalty shot and then he scores it what a fucking like just general he seems like or what if he misses and then he seems like an idiot like i just i think it's a little bit more intrigue and if nobody takes the penalty shot maybe that is a clue to everybody around that the penalty shot's kind of

dumb and the power play should be what's happening yes like maybe we should just lean towards hey if everybody's picking this maybe the other thing shouldn't be an option a penalty shot is not the advantage people think no it's really not uh two for 13 one of the greatest scores is going to be the greatest goal scorer of all time two for 13 and because that's not how he scores yeah if it's a penalty shot you can pick anyone in your team what do we think of that i don't hate that i don't ryan reeves has a breakaway you're hooking him every time because who cares yeah no anyone on the team can take it yeah i remember um when i was playing house league hockey against our social manager uh justin fisher back in the day um uh there would be in house league like for all for

those of us that had played at a higher level there was like they would spread you out among the teams right because there was players who were beginning and then players right like us who could could skate we were on the select team and did the traveling tournaments and stuff and i remember justin beat me wide once like we're both defensemen and he was on a rush and he just turn styled me so i turned around and i like i was on my knees like broke my ankles it was embarrassing and i hooked him around the ankles and brought him down because i knew there was no penalty shot and i knew his team wasn't going to score on the penalty so i took my two minutes and and we were fine love that but he didn't get a shot away and he was like you fucker he's like that was a really

good idea uh but you know that's that's sort of the way you got to play the game anyway the other question i had about this game and then we'll move on to some other stuff is is 10 million dollars going to be enough to sign william nylander uh i mean is it going to be enough i mean like we were talking pre-season 9.2 9.3 he's been pretty good man listen it's the same as it always was he's either gonna take less to stay here um he's gonna walk or they're gonna trade him now they're not gonna trade him no he's fucking unreal no why would you trade him right so like even though you could get a king's ransom i mean you could also get that for austin matthews like you know you're not trading your best players just because you can so they're not trading them so he's either

out of the goodness of his heart going to take less and stay or he's going to walk and it is what it is like I'm not going to spend the whole season. I'm still going to ask the question guys is 2 million or 10 million enough. Steve I got a proposal for you. Give me. For you

specifically. I think you're the guy who can parse this through and determine whether it's a great idea or not. Got it. A swap. A swap. John Tavares for William Nylander and all you got to do is suffer through one year of pain john tavaris's contract comes up in 25 26 he makes 11 million dollars william nylander makes 6.9 million dollars which is roughly seven

starting at the 25 26 season john tavaris starts to make seven million dollars william nylander makes 10 ish somewhere in there everything's figured out we're the same place we were in 23 24 if we just suffer through one year of the 24 25 season where they both make an obscene amount Which is probably what they're thinking. They're probably going to try. What do you think of the Swappy Doodle Dude? I mean, first of all, never call it that again. I'm really uncomfortable with that.

I think that's what we call this little move that J.D. and Willie are making. Jesse, you figure out how to spell that. That's the title of the show. That's the title of the show. Swappy Doodle Dude. Brandon Brittum walked into Dubas' office and he said, You know what, Duby? I got an idea for you.

I got an idea for a Swappy Doodle Dude there, Duby. and then dubas said i'm never gming anywhere else except for toronto and they left for pittsburgh and then brad shall living said what's this file on my desk and then brad's like i'm gonna go forward with it if steve dangle recommends it what do you say um listen if you're able to you're so fucking weird if you're able to pull something like that off um yeah i mean why wouldn't you do it it's it's kind of funny because if you look at their salaries you go yeah one should be making one and the other should be making the other um yeah i would do that but how do you get through the year you would need uh an army of rookies basically and you gotta

remember that nize will be will have to be re-signed i think pretty soon right wall nice not so 24 26 when the swap is completed 24 25 sorry 25 26 and what about wall i know he's not making like 700 grand which wall wall makes same year this year and next yeah you're good they could potentially they could potentially do it and nicky bobby if he comes up and is successful he's in the last year of his elc he probably he'd probably be at lilligran money at for the least the next guy he's making like nothing yeah yeah you would have to okay that is when we start having that is when we start banging the table and having the ryan reeves conversation well but not yet and again a

variable deal but apparently not according to our emails something like that that listen Ryan Reeves does not need to be on the leaves they can move that contract I don't

know but anyway regardless I think you're right Jesse the wild offered him more or as much teams want him I think you're right Jesse I think that that's what they

gotta do because he's been amazing you know the one thing you can always say and this has been the case for William Nylander since he started here in toronto and matthews and marner took off and and he was still right in there too is that if you do trade him the defense has to be the beneficiary like you need to find you need to

find that victor headman type piece maybe not victor headman but you need to find like you need to find what the lightning found in sergachev five years ago when they traded drew in for him like who the hell's coming up exactly so if that's not out there and if and if no one's willing to make that move then you got to keep him uh and and i think he's been unbelievable and i want them to keep him i mean uh shout out to him he had his number and i don't regret anything i said about neil andrew and his contract demands during the offseason he had not earned more than what other guys got he hadn't uh he is coming off a really good season so a lot of a lot of guys good and a good playoffs so were some other guys and they signed for their eight between eight and nine

whatever it was million you know like he's asking for more than tage thompson you know what i mean um but he's like no this is my number and they couldn't come to an agreement season began and now it's like all right you better go out and earn that number holy shit he's been incredible yeah probably second best player behind austin yeah austin's been a maniac no question but willie and then john tavares has been the third he's been really really good because the two of them have been so dynamic together yeah it's actually been kind of discreetly uh not a bad but just a ho-hum start for marner yeah but those three have been so good that it doesn't matter but that's the point isn't it the whole idea was and i feel bad for kyle because they these four have done him

dirty a couple of times yes um uh but and and this is where like i've been critical of certain things dubas did but i got what his point of view which is well they can't all be cold at the same time and then they'd play the bruins and and and realistically throughout the regular season you are going to have every star is going to have cold patches the point is that um the other guys will step up and marner for instance has he's got five points in six games right it's not bad oh he's putting a point there's a few guys who are near a point of game or at a point of game where you're like what the fuck yeah dude clingberg is nearly at a point of game yep domi domi he didn't do anything for four games yeah he's got i think five points i think so yeah i'll get it up if you

want me to but this is so this is the thing like has mitch marner been a world beater on the ice yet no no but he's been good right and you can tell it's coming yeah um and the game where he did score i thought was his best game i forget which one it was but i was like that i'm starting to see the flashes riley off the first power play how's he gonna get he's got five points yeah so but that's the idea you know yeah well because last last season mitch marner carried a lot of the offense yes november through january and when he's cold this year austin's gonna step up and willie and jt are gonna be there because they have all four of these guys and they can just swap whoever's going to be the heart of the uh the best at that moment yeah riley marner

klingberg all have five and six games and then domi's got four and six he just hasn't scored his first goal yet like we're four and six games it's hilarious um it the core four i mean if none of them are going they lose obviously if one of them are gone it's going to be hard to win if two of them are gone i'd say it's 60 40 leaning the the leafs get 60 in terms of them winning three of are going they're extremely hard to beat four of them are going they're basically unstoppable but it's really really difficult to get all four of them going at once tampa with with that uh playoff series last year we kept talking about oh they were getting outplayed and you know they shouldn't have won that series how many of them were going i'd say at least three willie was going

austin was going mitch was going tovaris funny enough was actually kind of struggling and he's the one who ended up winning the series who's so as even though they were getting outplayed if the core is going they're really hard to be to that point versus florida guys who who was going on the florida panthers all their best players though oh you mean going on the i thought you meant on the leaf oh no not none of them on the no but the panthers who were the guys that won that series sergey bobrovsky and and matthew kuchuk and matthew kuchuk uh sam bennett sam bennett Brandon Montour was really good. Barkov had a good series.

Like, those are the... Barkov was, uh... Those guys, though, are the... Listen, they don't win. It's like, oh, my God, look at the stars. They're winning the whole series for them. Yeah, that's what they're there for, man. And who won the series?

Fucking Nick Cousins. I know. It makes me sad. And so, with all that said, the one thing I would say, Jesse, about your... What did you call it? A swap? Swap-y doodle-doo!

Swap-y doodle-doo! Extraordinarily uncomfortable with that, but we're going to go with it. Put it on the Manila file folder. Get Follow Me Land to stick around. The one issue I have, and you say it's going to be a one-year sort of a pinch point here about players making more than they should and one player's making less than they should, whatever.

The problem I have is that players got squeezed this year with the salary cap, right? You had Bertuzzi fall into your lap. Matt Dumba did not plan to end up in Arizona Coyote, but he did. I mean, the same thing happened to Klingberg in Anaheim, right? I know people think the Leafs gave him too much. He probably didn't plan on ending up here. No, I don't think so.

and and so those types of deals i don't think are going to be available in the summer and so man nibbling around the edges is going to be more challenging yeah we've been told non-stop bludgeoned over the head with it cap's going to go up cap's going to go up cap's going to go up what does this season start with oh people aren't going to games yeah but the gate is such a small if you look at the at the corporate sponsorship level what the gate brings in versus what a corporate sponsorship does is is so unbelievably different it's why they changed the pride tape situation which we can talk about sure which we're going to talk about later it's scotia bank putting out ads in toronto saying pride tape for everyone they made how many how many orders of

pride tape did they make and they're one of the main sponsors of the nhl not just the leafs the nhl do you scotia bank stepped in there and said um i mean we pay you a lot of money steve is just skeptical because when somebody betrays you time and time again, it's a little difficult to believe that. Maybe Lucy's going to hold the football for me this time. I think I'm going 50 yards with this one.

If you're telling me that the NHL lives and dies by attendance in markets like Winnipeg, Buffalo, Arizona, which we already knew was going to be low. Why is Winnipeg even a story? It should not be. they're over three times what the coyotes are even capable of all right but it's not about

the truth of the matter that the gate they can still raise the salary cap if the gate's not there it's about the spin like is gary betman the spin doctor gonna go out and say you know what gates weren't there this season we're not going up all the percent we're gonna hold back like half a percent for that little revenue we miss it's just what gary i understand why you're skeptical 100 percent yeah he said i think he said the cap is projected to go up to what was it 87.7 yeah yeah whatever the maximum is that's what they're doing 87.7 and then he goes you know but we reserve the right to change it or whatever his wording was to me that was the pebble hitting the windshield and you're like did you know oh that sounded kind of hard and then oh attendance

numbers are a little soft and that's what oh fuck is that like the spider web coming out of the correct god damn it yeah i cracked my windshield and all i'm saying is it's not that big and it's maybe not a big nail a big deal now but at some point you're gonna have to replace the windshield yep no i agree so so with all that said and we will come back to the price it's 87.5 87.5 let's see just went down 200 grand just let me know down 200 grand the right number and that's not to begrudge jets fans or sabers fans or whatever but guys dude times are hard i 100 but here's what's not uh they have these corporate partnerships that are multi-year that were signed a couple years ago out of the pandemic when things were good the money is guaranteed they'll be okay uh

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Now, McDavid's not in the lineup, but it's still a pretty good team that you called a Stanley Cup contender, and I don't think a lot of people disagree. They scored four goals. You score four goals, that should be an attainable win. They scored their first goal in the third period of the season. Yeah. And they allowed fucking seven.

It is the Edmonton Oilers' worst start since 2017. I never, ever, ever would have called this. That's a season where they went 36-40. That was coming off of their second round defeat at the hands of the San Jose Sharks. And that, I believe, is... No, Todd McClellan didn't even get fired that year. It was the next year where they brought in Ken Hitchcock. Jack Campbell.

Okay, so you guys saw the replay of the Jack Campbell save? Yeah, yeah. Here's the thing about that save. I don't think the puck was going in. It was still spectacular. But I'm pretty sure if you look at the overhead angle, it wasn't going in. I hate when people point that out. Why?

because it's true i'm on steve's side just yeah like uh you guys would both do that it was a great time did you know they also uh like pre-plan wrestling shut up let me enjoy it i like it still enjoy it it's acrobatic it was great i like the flippy doodle do right what was the mark andre flurry save where he ended somebody uh oh uh nick patan nick patan yeah i thought the thing was he wasn't going in anyways i mean technically we don't know if any goal is going in or we don't know if any right but that means that would mean an even better storyline if it wasn't going in that means nick patan missing it ended babcock who refused to play him did you know the undertaker's not really dead answer the question wait a second no answer the question he he no he

dies and then he rises up and floats out out of the out of the the coffin did you know the cane's not really his brother did you know that but they're the same height i know they had to they have to be no who could give birth to kids that big i mean it had to have been the same couple of people yes um i'm just thinking that you should know that because why why i don't know that because you ought to know all right and and remember that wrestling show we saw where the guy tried to dig out his opponent's eye with a fork yeah yeah that wasn't um he didn't try to do that he's not currently like sitting in 51 division waiting for his trial but when you took a slap to the chest from eric young this summer no that was real that was real yep but you're telling me

wrestling's fake oh i'm not oh hey i was very careful about using that word i did not tell me it's not real i'm telling you the details and yet you were on the ground on all fours i believe it's real fucking bullshit so much guys when vince mcmahon tore both of his acls that was real no it was even worse it was his quads for both quads that was real by the way that's why uh i'm pretty sure that's why kawaii needed like rest because he tore his quad didn't he in san antonio no wasn't that what the injury was it was a yeah it must have been a partial tear i don't know dude that that is still one of the most surreal videos i've ever fucking crazy now it's one of the most craziest sequence it's one of the craziest sequences of events in wrestling history

and like none of it is a work like it's that all happened that shit happened you couldn't make that up no you couldn't the the batista cena going over the rope at the same time you could not have possibly cirque de soleil choreographed that there's no way anyway sorry give him credit he stayed in character he's um what he's screaming bloody murder at people sitting on his bum because he literally ripped apart both legs if you haven't seen it go look it up make that your youtube for the afternoon vince mcmahon tearing both of his i will i will give him credit on one thing and one thing only it is that beyond that fuck that guy yeah but yeah we're not saying he's a good person but uh yeah no no awful human being um and his mustache fuck his mustache let's have a look

at this okay so we've got the oilers and uh and wild and and with two minutes to go in the first period warren fogel scores cool oilers are up two to one and it looks like they're going to go two to one into the into the intermission that's got to feel good except ryan hartman uh gets a goal with a minute to go which is always a killer so you got a question you're gonna go okay you're going into the dressing room you're like we were gonna we were gonna get all the praise from jay with his weird stand-up stance where he pops his butt. Hey, no.

I love it. I like it. I like it. You know the Jay Woodcroft stance. Everybody knows what I'm talking about. But then the Oilers do this. They come out in the second period and Warren Fogle, again,

32 seconds in, they're up 3-2. Next man up. And they hold it for the entire period. So you're going into the second intermission and you are up 3-2 against the Wild. What happened? and then in the third period and it starts with ryan hartman again man who knew it was the title

bout between fogel and hartman uh i like heart in the wild i do too but like you would think like dry sidle caprizov right no one goal for goal uh ryan hartman again then matt zuccarello five minutes later then four minutes later joel erickson neck and they are down five to three and then evander kane scores oh okay oh there you go all right and then hartman again oh and then marcus yeah marcus oh my god and it's seven to four and like i don't know what you can say here this would have been um like i don't know i'm i'm fudging the future here but this would have been their biggest win for the remainder of 2023 um like just in terms of what it meant for their season you know it's your first game i think it's your first game without conor mcdavid right yep

since he got injured you're one three and one heading into the game i think uh just two three and one just the ability to stop the bleeding a little bit uh would have been so so huge and not just that they lost the way they did it it just feels like another opportunity for it to get worse i i last show i kept saying mid-season arrives early um and i didn't realize that it's just a bastardization of a much better saying from yogi bara where he just says uh it's getting late early yeah yeah that's a good one and there's that that one stat about if you're if you're i think it's like five points out of a playoff spot by november 1st your percentage of making the the playoffs is like five percent november 1st yeah

it's november 1st or is it or is it american thanksgiving it's american is american thanksgiving so it's a little November 1st would be a little I would next week I'd say December 1st this year just because the season started like what a week late or something like that yeah a couple days I mean I don't know so yeah semantics but like there's a there's a gap here man like there's three teams that are what six and oh or the Bruins are five and oh or something yeah well like the division that they're in where they're chasing where they are expected to win the division by some people who are going to be wrong like Steve Dangle the Vegas Golden Knights are undefeated you know they're just making that gap even wider and the the oilers here really have

four weeks to get it going if we're looking at december 1st as the date like this period right now is is when they need to save their season okay this is truly ridiculous but i'm gonna ask for it anyway jesse how far out of a playoff spot are they uh i had it hold on i gotta hear i got it no no don't look don't look jesse don't look i already know because i did the i did it on sunday okay okay i just add two points so here's what we're gonna throw i'm gonna throw this at you steve because i have this okay where do the edmonton oilers currently sit in the nhl out of 32 teams oh out of 32 teams they're probably 27th the answer is 31 oh shit uh there is only one oh okay yeah i won't weigh in uh and don't worry i would have guessed the sharks have

zero wins they're the only winless team they have an overtime loss point so they have a 0.83 points percentage uh the oilers have a 0.250 and the the interesting thing about what you brought up there jesse is if you start the season like they always tell you in school the the the hack is your first month or two in school whether you're at university or high school whatever is the the the the stuff that you do is pretty easy right like they're kind of warming you up so if you can get as close to 100 on those projects as possible you can kind of take it and be just okay the rest of the way and end up with a good mark, right?

The Leafs started one season, I think it was 94-95, lockout short in a year, 10-0. Then they went five... 93-4. 93-4. They went 500 the rest of the way and they were squarely in the playoffs

and one of the league's best teams. Yep. They were 500 for most of the year, but they won 10 in a row to start a year and that's what... Rode it like a pony. So here's the thing with the Oilers and I have no doubts that they can do it,

but the problem is when you get to, and again, we're only six games in, but you get to 10 games in and you're in that position you get to 15 games in so those first 15 games you now have to balance those out the remainder of the 60 something games that are left so you're playing you're forcing yourself to play at a you're at a 250 points percentage now now you got to play at a 750 here's and you're not and unless somebody else falls off like the knights which i don't think they are uh how do you catch them here's another way to look at it um remember the year the Leafs got Phil

Kessel. They started 0-7-1. 0-7 and fun. That's right. 0-7 and fun. And he was out with a... Shoulder surgery. Right, and he never missed a game again. Never missed a game again. Literally never missed a game again until this year, I guess if you want to split hairs. He's unsigned right now, so the streak still goes

until he's on a team and he does not make the lineup. It counts, right? Yeah. No, the games don't count, but the streak hasn't ended. The streak hasn't ended. Sitting at home like I am an Ironman. So 0-7-1. The Leafs win their ninth game because of a hat trick from. I have no idea.

Nicholas Hagman. Oh, I like that. In Anaheim. Okay. Hell yeah. So I say all that to say the Oilers are three games away from being that bad. That's wild. If they lose three more games, they will be 1-7-1 like the Leafs were after nine games

the year they finished second. What was that year? That was 2010, right? 2009? 2009-10. Leafs roster I'm gonna look it up just to give you an idea wait well you're in for a treat okay so so Kessel still led the team in scoring even though he missed the first yes uh I don't even know how long he missed 12 games uh and he still got 55 points so 70 and he so 70 games he had 55

points then you had Cabral 30 goals Cabral a Panikarovsky Stajan Kuhlman Grabowski Hagman stemniak bozak and jason blake those were the top 10 scores for the leafs that year do any of those players get into the hall of fame outside of phil castle uh fuck like no no of course of course not right the oilers have a hall of famer right now playing and it doesn't and it and obviously mcdavid's going to be you know back in the lineup and things are going to change i know it's going to turn around for the oilers but the question here is not whether the oilers are good or not we know they're good how long and how big of a hole are they going to put themselves in and how great of a comeback story is it going to be if they go and challenge for the division you

i think ken holland should be calling the red wings every day about a goaltender uh literally like okay what i was i was wondering this to myself well they're not going to get uso obviously so i was thinking to myself would reimer or lion be either their best goalie or second best i mean it'd be hard to not be their best like alex lion got the panthers into the playoffs man man but still like i don't know he was signed for like what a million and a half yeah there's no reason for three forever there's no reason for the red wings to trade away from their roster right now when they're the one they're on the opposite end of this they're unreal where they're absolutely on fire i it's funny for the goalies because i guess they're gonna be like

well the checks still come on time yeah it's fine all right yeah i'll play 20 games and collect the check on the on the note of ken holland and on adam saying this team is good we know they're good and they're gonna get it going we don't know that they're good right now because it seems like the defense is the biggest problem with this team and the defense might just be so bad that the offense can't outscore what changed the well goaltending one thing that did change uh going from this last year to this year is they did change their defensive system and it seems like the entire defensive core can't go from they're playing man they used to play man-to-man now they're playing zone julian mckenzie actually did great work in the athletic on this uh yesterday i think

it was that article came out fantastic stuff go read it um julian's always doing great stuff so they're really slow to get up to speed here on on this new defensive system and there's so many holes on the defense that they might just not have the guys to perform at this level and i think that falls on ken holland here i don't think this is jay woodcroft at all i don't think it's the offense which is like well without mcdavid you know it's not the best but it's still a great offense the defense is lackluster the goaltending sucks if you're ken holland and you have connor mcdavid and leon dry sidle and you can't build a roster that can get you in the playoffs and win a stanley cup you are one of the worst gms of all time also you signed the campbell contract yeah yeah you

did the campbell contract which is an albatross and just awful and he's gotta have one of the worst gm tenures ever if you can't win a cup with leon and and uh and it's the nhl that's how good yeah that's like two final four appearances and we're like what a shitty job he's done yes because he didn't get leon and connor that's a good point when did he become uh because it was mctavish with mcdavid yeah oh shirely didn't even know mctavish got the pick yes he was replaced by shirely by the draft oh but mctavish remember how thrilled he was he's like great we got him and then bye ken holland was gm of the evidence and order since may 7th 2019 and they've been better they They're way better than they were under Shirelli.

Yeah, but look at the team right now. I'm going to acquire the Leafs. He's done a bad job. I'm going to get Barry from the Leafs and CeCe from the Leafs and Brown from the Leafs and Hyman from the Leafs and Campbell from the Leafs. I think he's done a horrible job with roster construction. Brown, right?

Did you say Brown? I said Brown. Okay. Didn't they have McKay? I hope they get Reimer so they get another former Leafs. Yeah, do it. Do it. Screw it.

No, I think you're bang on, Jesse. Here's the thing. the ken holland legacy rests so much on what the red wings did in the late two first decade of the 2000s what do we call that the 2000s you know 2000s yeah 2000s and then there's a 2010s and the 2020s okay the 2000s there you go um uh it rests on players like um you know lidstrom and and eiserman and shanahan and all the guys that that did did do some great things in that decade They really were preposterous. But then, what have the Detroit Red Wings done since then?

Like I told you, the Detroit Red Wings have not played a Stanley Cup playoff game since Mike Babcock was the coach. Ken Holland was the GM for a good chunk of that. From like, what, 2014 to 2018 at least. What Holland did with that Red Wings team is he helped bring in the next generation and had them, I guess, indoctrinated? Would that be the word? uh initiated with the current generation so eiserman uh not so much federov lidstrom yeah

all them datsuk zetterberg got to wall datsuk and zetterberg come in i'm trying to think uh chris chelios was on that johan franzen yeah he was so underrated um i think uh yuri uh hoodler as well was a part of that sort of thing he was yeah underrated player i love yuri hoodler yes he was um yeah other guys i mean we don't have to go through the whole team yeah no okay let's go through the whole okay sorry i'm joking sorry sorry um but like uh like who of the oilers really drafted developed brought them in from the ground for yeah and bouchard and he and that nurse contract is bad right and i i think nurse and bouchard to me of the defense you know especially when ekholm was out to start the year nurse and bouchard have looked on some of these goals

lost well and like you're putting up points on the power play like i don't know good for you you're putting up points on the oilers power play yeah like people make fun of john klingberg for doing that but like john klingberg makes half of what nurse makes like good for you yeah oh yeah yeah like it is a like you have the cushiest job in the nhl you're the quarterback edmonton oilers power play yes you know what i mean yes like at some point you have to i'm not putting this all squarely on him but you gotta bring you gotta bring what the team needs and i was so sure that having a full year of matthias ekholm even if he's not at 100 they'd look better than this and holy moly they it's not it's not a good collection of defensemen that they have and i

think this falls a lot on ken holland it wasn't a big fan either of the lineup decisions that jay woodcroft was thrown out there with yanmark out yeah like yanmark up on the first line doesn't really make sense why did you acquire connor brown like play him um so i thought that was weird and like kane i think you got to play him to get him going yeah i don't think it helps to bench kane because he's not performing well i think that's a guy who needs more ice time so that he can get into a groove terry he's so fiery you know terry ryan made a great point what is that i can't remember what show jason gregor but he was he was like well i don't know you're yipping at the coach you know during interviews you better go out there and perform and he did he scored a a goal in a

game that was tight but like man there's so many problems there's a lot there's a lot for a team that really ought to be good you need you also need a guy like evander kane who uh has been he's been amazing for the oilers he really has playoffs and regular season he's been spectacular when he's been healthy um you need him not to end his his time with the oilers the way he's ended his time with every other team has been i mean two it's it's two and a half to three years in at every team evander kane's been on dude i couldn't help but see that uh little clip from i think it was the fifth game and be like yeah that arrived right on time and i want like this a guy that is electrifying he's a factor he's amazing he's a factor and the fact that they got

him in the first place was amazing what do you mean he's going to play with mcdavid and dry sidle no i don't think anyone saw that signing and went welp the oilers are going to be worse no way like what what a what a ridiculously unique situation that even brought him to edmonton he was still under contract with the sharks but they just tore it up because you can do that sometimes They got him for like a third of his market value, probably. If I was Bill Guerin, by the way, I'd be so mad at Evander Kane and Mike Richards. Oh, I know. Because they just tore them up and the league was like, that's okay.

We've got to have a $15 million a year penalty for the next three years because you decided to enforce it with us. Yeah. Bullshit. Oh, and I'm sure Canucks fans have something to say about that, too. 100%? Yes, the Capri Cap. Oh, now the rules matter.

Oh, okay. okay just making sure but regardless on evander kane you're right and i think this is where this is where we find out if evander kane is going to be a leader in this room and it's not because he can't be he fully is capable of that and leader by by the way means like forget what he says off the ice it doesn't really matter it's what he does on it and i think he did fight he did score that to me is is showing he this guy clearly wants it and to your point jesse he feels like a guy he needs more time it's it's still not enough he he held up his end of the bargain he scored in a tight game yeah they gave up seven fucking goals yeah yeah you can't win like you need a

save yeah you need a defensive stop you need something anything they've got a save in like two years dude stop the puck from that's not even true because stuart skinner made the all-star team and then turned into a pumpkin is absolutely can tell but the best goaltender of the mcdavid era by a country mile and they gave up he played 73 games and they gave up on him

the next year he had one bad year and they said go fuck off to I don't even remember Minnesota I think they sent him

to Ottawa didn't he end up in Calgary I don't know he's been so many places I know he's been so many places and to be fair

like it's not like you know he's been awesome ever since he's had like one or two pretty good seasons it shouldn't

really shouldn't be this hard on the calgary flames they before before you move on please please please i'm gonna all the comments that have gone on for the last couple minutes yelling at adam wild red wings fans i'm gonna do you a favor adam wild your stat is incorrect what jeff blashill won a playoff game with the detroit red wings in 15 16 they're knocked out by the tampa bay lightning first round oh it is not mike babcock who won the last all right well you know the blashill era is the one that people really remember yes he did he played in the playoffs one round one time he is the most

forgettable coach since the uh since the 80s for the dead wings i think they were so bad in the in the uh in the 80s nobody remembers except for eiserman i think red wings fans are are smart enough that they'd be like adam's wrong but and then he's not that mad he's right he's kind of right though he's right i mean it's do we have a 15 minute segment uh booked to talk about justin hall oh god we probably ought to i mean what the you mean i'm sorry first off hall of fame put some respect on his name that's that's nhl leader in plus minus justin hall to you sir even though he was healthy to couple more like justin norris um hall norris the context that nobody the context that nobody likes to talk about in that stat the in the graphic that was thrown out is that justin

Paul has been a very good plus-minus player throughout his career. In the last four years, he was plus-15, plus-14, plus-16, plus-13. He did this consistently with the Leafs, and nobody ever talked about it. Also, he's bad. Check out those playoff numbers. No, Jesse, he was a huge integral part. He was plus-15 in 80 games with the Leafs, and also he was terrible. Yeah, and he's on pace to be, like, plus, like, fucking 50, so shut up.

82. Oh, no, sorry, I'm wrong, like, plus 90. Let's go. Bobby Orr, do you hear the footsteps? Calgary Flames are on a three-game losing streak. They are now 2-4-1, and if you look at the goals they let in, like, here's the thing, it wasn't that Calgary lost, it was how. It was three goals within, like, a few minutes of each other.

they are a top five back-breaking goals team yeah i mean back breakers the blake coleman goal was great but here's so it was sorry it wasn't within it was within five six minutes so lafreniere's redirect he's got three goals by the way and then the crider and gustafson goals within a minute and a half of each other eric gustafson makes 800 grand i'm so sad why well all he does is put up like 40 points a year and signed for league men like what what's going on keep them what's going on he would that was he went to unrestricted free agency the highest scoring defenseman on the leafs 800 grand no one's that bad at defense come on no holy shit i feel bad for uh i feel bad for markstrom man it just that especially that last one it kind of squeaked through him and you're

like oh the third goal was the killer they were in it when crider scored they were not in it when gustafson did i feel bad for him too but like the schedule doesn't stop for anyone you need to save uh buffalo uh the buffalo sabers crushed the ottawa senators on craig anderson night uh and anton forsberg had a rough night he went out for the second or third period and nobody told him he wasn't in the game that was bad hammock had to come out and be like i'm sorry but it's going to be not your net right now shout out to travis hamannik for like who wanted to do that who i'm not doing it i'm not doing it i'm not i'll do it um that's bad people really held their breath for brady kachuk because it looked like he separated his shoulder but then he fought

alex tuck later uh shoulders are so weird because you can pop them back in and keep playing and get the surgery done in off season well and like i've heard it and it was incredible pain and then by nighttime it was fine and then three days later it's incredible pain and yeah my dad used to um pop his shoulder out all the time yeah i've mentioned that where he was petting the dog and his shoulder fell out like it got that loose i hate the story and he said as soon as you get the shoulder back in the pain just subsides almost immediately he said your ankle is the one that that really sucks um sends made it interesting uh uh and by the way kachuk did get an instigator penalty, and that's an automatic

one-game suspension, but the Sens are appealing it, and the update from Garriock today is that the NHL has arbitrarily decided not to enforce that rule. What? Actually? Yeah, well, that's the report. That's not been confirmed, but Garriock said this on his Twitter account. Sources say

the NHL's Department of Player Safety has informed the Sens there won't be a one-game suspension for Brady Kachuk, and Coach DJ Smith will not be fined for the incident late against Buffalo. It will be up to the officials to decide if the instigator is erased that i don't understand what i mean on top of the instigator he bounced tuck's head off the ice like a basketball uh bruce said uh the spirit of the rule is there is to the spirit of the rule is to avoid teams from turning the last five minutes

into a fight fest that wasn't the case in ottawa now you look at this the first brady kachuk punch where tuck goes down is is part of the fight the second one where he's on the ground or on the way down i mean man it's accidentally on purpose the both kachuks are masters of that and so was their old man so so with the instigator being removed i get it because tuck was a willing combatant and i don't think yeah i don't think kachuk should have received an instigator penalty there like it was a hard hit and he stands up and he's like fight me and then kachuk talks like yeah i'll fight you so sounds good yeah i think like that's okay yeah i guess i get it but it's it's also shenanigans because in the rules it's automatic the rules are automatic yeah why

then don't call it automatic all right well this is why i say it's so it's subjective yeah 100 i've i've brought this up before but clarkson years ago got 10 games automatically automatically for leaving the bench except for several times following that players left the bench for a fight and had their uh suspensions reduced i think paul this in it he left the bench i want to say it was rescinded to like three oh based on and with how come and with no disrespect to paul the role that clarkson was supposed to play with the leafs is a different role than what bissonette was supposed to play with the coyotes he also like he didn't leave the bench for a fight he left the bench for a cuddle because it was a grab you just cuddled

him what's wrong with the cuddle fire dj as in dj smith is trending on twitter almost every night now um my question when you watch the Sens guys do you feel like you're seeing a team like there's unquestionable talent and I think they've got good goaltending too on a good day I don't really see a problem with their lineup I don't either to me it's a systems issue and I think Sens fans may have a point I have never seen and it's it's in Toronto too DJ Smith was the nice guy to Mike Babcock's insanity uh in Toronto he was the he was a good middleman right he was the guy that the players could talk to i've never seen a dj smith's time in ottawa this team outperform its talent ever and that's usually when you have a good system in place right like i'll give i'll

give babs credit that year that the least finished last they should have been way more last yes like they were that was the best last place finish i've ever seen and they were garbage intentionally been bad like them right and and so that the systems worked for the team that was there my question with dj smith and his coaching staff is i'm not seeing the system bring the best out in those players you look at it look at the look at the start alex de brin cat has had now brady kachuk's incredible should de brin cat have been the second winger on that on that side absolutely but i'm sorry guys like at a certain point we got to look at the coach and say you might be the common denominator here with a healthy josh norris

having a center right wing one-two punch of Stutzel, Kachuk, Norris, Debrinkit. How many better situations are there in the league? Well, you didn't get the healthy Norris. You didn't get the healthy Norris. You got the emerging Shane Pinto. I mean, he played a game and then he scored two goals. Shane Pinto?

Who's Adam? Why are we talking about guys who don't even have a contract? Last year. Talking about last year. Oh, I know. And you got Tarasenko this year. He could score. On the third line.

this is what i'm saying right you know like tara sango has been there's been more to desire from that guy there uh i think it was graham nichols on twitter was like all right like sure you can have the opinion of fire dj smith but i don't understand how you do that without also firing pierre dorian and holy shit is there a team in the nhl maybe even more so than the edmonton oilers because like they're not talking about firing anybody is there a team who mid-season has arrived for quicker than ottawa i would say edmonton oilers yeah but we're not talking about like a we're all sort of like we're gonna get better right ottawa's like gm might go coach might go yeah and the fans are i don't remember hearing a firewood croft chant although i don't

know to be coming tune in next week you never know i just think uh dj smith uh has got to adjust his systems for this team to get the best out of it because he's got the talent now so when they didn't have the scoring when they be defending when they didn't have the talent i got it yeah they have the talent now so i don't get it and like with that game last night it was five one you know and the the sense climbed all the way back into it so we know that they have an ability to score in bunches there they've done it it's just about getting those stops early on and not getting to that point when you got to score four goals and anton forsberg wasn't great obviously pulled in at that second intermission when he's on the ice but like the defense isn't great either

it's a similar problem with the oilers where they can't like clear up in front you know they can't play a good system and if that falls on dj smith like then i think that's his burden correct me if i'm wrong only so all 32 teams were in action yesterday only two of those teams got the benefit of having to play a team that played the night before yes so there's two games on monday right and ottawa was one of them they got to play they got the luxury of playing a tired team and they got mopped yeah not good yep not good now the question yesterday before all the games was did Did Travis Dermott change the NHL forever? Yeah, I guess.

Listen, so the NHL won't give him the credit because apparently this was in the works before he wore the tape on the ice. But it was announced. I don't doubt that. After consultation with the NHL Players Association and the NHL Inclusion Coalition, players will now have the option to voluntarily represent

social causes with their stick tape throughout the season. Brian Burke, longtime NHL executive and lgbtq advocate uh who previously criticized the league's ban on agent provocateur let me throw that out there uh praised dermot on social media um celebrating the decision he said great news for the hockey community today congratulations and thank you to all who made their voices heard in support of inclusion in hockey especially the courageous travis dermot now we know that scotia bank was very involved in this they bought all the pride tape they put up all the The bus ads, they were all over the place in Toronto.

And they've always been about that. And they're a huge, huge hockey media spender in this country. We'd love for them to work with us at some point. But I want to say this. This is sort of, it's so funny that we got to this place that the NHL should have just naturally come to. And it speaks to, to me, the NHL head office's inability to let people do their jobs they hire people they bill and bill and gary and all their support staff

know that they're from a different generation they don't necessarily understand how to market to today's youth clearly so they hire people they have a head of inclusion yep they have the nhl pa to go with yep they've got young people on staff apparently the nhl new york's are really fun and exciting place to work i believe it there's a lot of people on their staff they could have asked about this before sending out the memo the rushed memo that banned pride tape and i find it funny and i'm glad that we got here i want to say that but i do find it funny how much these guys would would much rather make a mistake and have it be their mistake than rely on the people that they hired to do this particular job gary betman is a business lawyer he wants he he cares about

expansion he cares about making the lawyers or sorry the lawyers he cares about making the owner's money and and and protecting the game and whatever that's what he cares about and and probably all the lawyers that represent the nhl um and bill's the same they i don't expect them to be brilliant on social causes i expect them to hire people that are and take their advice but again you see a management failure here from these guys who very clearly had people in the room because they've changed this in two weeks they had people in the room who right away were against this and started pushing back then they had sponsors who they would view as clients pushing back on it and still they said well hold on let's have a bunch of conversations about it first

at a certain point when you run an organization and and i know the nhl is very top down i know they're very autocratic you have to trust your employees you have to trust the people that you hired and there are people there despite looks that do understand and would have stopped them from making this mistake in the first place this is this is part of the reason i wasn't like banging the table when this was announced because i was like oh oh they're gonna reverse that in like two weeks yes um they're gonna reverse that almost immediately and it never felt like a we are doing this like it never felt like something the nhl was passionate about and something they weren't gonna budge on because it felt it didn't feel like they said we're banning pride tape

it felt like there's they said we're banning pride tape like well because because and this this is from i think it was out sports they we when they got rid of the specialty jerseys or the players wearing the specialty jerseys whatever um out sports i believe were the first ones to contact the nhl and be like okay so can they wear pride tape and it didn't even feel like the nhl went no it felt like they went no yeah like it just it felt like they weren't prepared to answer an obvious question and shame on them for that uh i never for a moment thought they were going to stick to this and like i don't have insider knowledge on this but someone made the final call on this it was head office oh you think that i don't know office of the commissioner if the

commissioner doesn't sign off on it steve come on i you know how this league works i mean do you think it was a situation where it was like one of those things comes across your desk and you go yep sure and you just sign it and i think what it was was they said no it's a ban a ban is a ban remember these are lawyers but then but it wasn't just okay fine you can wear a pride tape it was uh uh yeah any cause you want you know what i mean it's just they buckled so easily because it was clearly wrong well it was obviously but they didn't but they did and i think it was a rushed memo that's why i think it was a rushed memo i have no proof on this but i believe that it like you said they're like yep we got to clarify and here here it is and it's because they got a

bunch of questions all summer can i wear a poppy can i things like that came up and so when i when i look at this this is a managerial failure again i don't expect gary betman and bill daly to understand all of these social causes sometimes you just have to go they're too damn old man my grandparents were too damn old to understand some shit that to me was pretty fucking obvious okay like iphones 100 setting the timer on their vcr every time we went and saw them every single time not hard you know so i don't expect gary and bill who are both in their late 60s i think to understand all this but i do expect them if you're going to be the commissioner and the deputy commissioner to hire people that do and take their advice that's the point this should never have

happened i'm glad it's changed shout out to travis dermot shout out to all the organizations out sports who were on this brian burke who was on this all the other organizations that worked to change this over the last two weeks you guys did an amazing job every fan in the community who's had to deal with this shit again again yeah again yeah but everybody lose their job over this you think internally of course not because the guy who's who could lose their job over this the guy who made this decision is the guy that makes or breaks the job someone gary fire himself i think there's a scapegoat here i i very obviously don't know who it is um and i think they're going to throw them so far under the bus but you can't fire them now because it's too obvious they're

not gonna do that i don't know what what is just a pr nightmare for the league that was entirely unforced and avoidable and and and when did they announce the reversal yesterday when all 32 teams were in action you know and i guess like what's the pr spin there like do you release it that day as a victory like as a bit of good news i think you announced it because there's so much happening in the world of nhl like we got this positive frozen frenzy thing that hopefully it'll bury that headline maybe everybody has to go to the frozen frenzy thing you know how many people are talking about that like that was a huge deal it was a very huge and i think strategically by the nhl is we release it on a day where we're going to be talked about so that they can talk

about the other stuff and not this interesting i i did uh get a chuckle out of the tweets from people so they announced the reversal of that and also that they upheld the uh rasmus anderson uh suspension and people were like jesus gary was right twice in one day yeah is he feeling all right the league has confirmed by the way uh just a few minutes ago that the kachuk suspension has been rescinded and so is the fine so yeah i guess the the referees didn't feel upon replay that he deserved an instigator penalty in the moment all right i like i see it i don't know it's stupid because it's automatic but fuck the nhl i'm not i'm not passionate now you know that it's not that's great any automatic suspension from now on i'm gonna say i don't think so also the sends you

can appeal an automatic suspension okay the sends would have just because of their cap situation like i'm not saying this to be a dick they would have had to just play shorthanded yes no no for sure that's crazy well and i'm sure i'm sure gary wants to help out the new owner that he enticed to get this michael landlauer was his choice i'm sure michael said hey gary i just spent 900 million when i only wanted to spend 800 million which is a true story by the way also um so uh all that to say we'll wrap it up there on friday show we got some exciting stuff ken reed's joining us on friday we love that reader yeah he's gonna talk about his new book Show us the book, Jesse.

Bring out the book. Where's the book? He's got the book. Hometown hockey heroes. Yeah. All right. Okay, Jesse, hit the extra. Hit the extra.

I want you to hold that pose the entire extra. Hit it. All right, Jesse. All right, Jesse. Let's see if he can hold it in tableau. Hold it in tableau. Ken Reed. Ah, there it is.

Keep going. He's holding it in tableau. He's even got the eye thing. all right it broke that blow you can't hold it damn it come on jesse the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete