The Steve Dangle Podcast - That's Wild | October 16, 2019

Episode Date: October 16, 2019

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Panago Pizza presents S.S.D.P.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! You know Steve, whenever we hang out together, I always say, Steve, if you just live generously, life will treat you royally. And I always say, why not? Right. Wait, you haven't asked that yet. Why not? Why not?

Pour yourself in a friend a crown royal because we're going to talk about who wore the crown like we do every episode where we, with the help of you, recognize one Leaf player each week, well, each show. I got to amend that script. Yeah. Who gives them, gives it all for the blue and white because it's our town, it's our crown, and it's not about what you have, it's what you have to give. Rye not.

Someone told me to say rye not. That's funny. Let's crown a leaf that lives generously By giving it all for their team Brought to you by friends are crowned royal Live life generously and life will treat you royally Let us get into it Sir, who are you crowning?

Uh, well Adam You might be aware of this The top line slash second line It literally just depends on our mood that day Whatever line you call the Tavares-Marner line I call it the Tavares-Marner line The Tavarner

To Varner Sure Sure We'll work on it To Varner You guys I know Rough

It's a rainy day man You know what you guys look like? The least within the first five minutes Whoa No slow starts or nothing We didn't show up on time You didn't For our own show

No No there are We'll get into that later Uh Kapanen Kasperi Kapanen Is the other guy on that line Replacing Zach Hyman

except yesterday he was replaced so the crown obviously has to go to mike babcock i like this pick i like this pick a lot i i ride that guy real hard i i you know at the end of the day he's just trying he's just trying to do good what he thinks is good try to make the team good and hopefully it's a team full of good players and good men nice how's that nice see i like that pick a lot. He did the thing. He did the thing. It was a little adjustment. I don't know how much difference it made, but he made it. I'm going to give it

to Trevor Moore, and John Tavares is a close second, but I'm going to give it to Trevor Moore because of the results he helped to create. Yes. So you give it to Mike for making the change. I give it to Trevor Moore for saying, okay, now I'm actually going to go out and prove you right. Because that's the thing. Mike can only be 50% of that.

Trevor's actually got to go out and do stuff. Now, if you ask Mike Stevens, who, for sure, for sure, if he was in a bar last night, was flipping out. Making out with the TV. Loves him.

I think he loves Trevor Moore more than I love James Reimer. Wow. You think? Yeah. For real. Must be the big booty. Trevor Moore booty. Gotta be. Can't move him. He went out there and he did... It was like he's programmed exactly like Zach Hyman, or at least

in that particular role, he knew exactly what he needed to do. And Kisperi Kapanen, I think we'll get into this after the segment's done. Because Barry Kapanen seemed to not get his head around exactly what it is they needed him to do. He has the tools, but it seems like he's got a weight of playing, and that's his way, and that's what he plays. Whereas Trevor Moore seems to be a little bit more... Versatile. Versatile and a little bit, yeah, maybe not as high-skilled, but definitely somebody that you can plug and play in a few more situations than you would think.

Perfect way of putting it. I think Kapanen has higher end talent, and more can just do more things. Right. Right. And Producer Jesse. Well, let me tell you something. How's he going to do it? Today's crown goes to John Akey.

John Akey. John Akey. John Akey. Who the hell is that? JPakey99, if you want his Twitter handle. All right. Because he tagged me in a tweet, and he said, Do I hear another crown being awarded to him?

Who would that him be? It's got to be John Tavares. He scored a goal last week. No, that's ridiculous. Clapping shit bombs like a man. That's ridiculous. That him is William Nylander. Because William Nylander...

Is hot. Dominated the wild territorially based on a bunch of charts and thingies I don't understand. Let me see. But people smarter than I... Yeah, no, I've never seen that. It's called Mika Blake McCurdy at ineffective. Mika. Mika is how it's spelled.

So I'm calling it Mika, ineffective math on Twitter. Put together this handy chart that explains why William Nylander actually deserves the crown today. But I don't understand it, but I'm going to trust the chart. That looks like a rug. Doesn't it? It does. You've got to throw that on the screen. Is it a chart or a heat map?

Yes. No, I think it's a heat map of sorts. No, it's a different kind of heat map, though. IneffectiveMath has a zone heat chart. Would you look at this? Okay, here's me looking. That's always my favorite thing. I'm like, please, please explain.

I'm stupid. And I read the replies, and the replies are, guess he's good, huh? And I'm like, yep. All right, so I've gathered blue is good. Alright Red You don't want that So William Nylander

Because of the rug Yes it says 16 minutes 7 7 Don't know what those numbers refer to on the tableau But they refer to something Very good

And he did it in 16 minutes I'll take your word for it man This was a long, long drive down a bumpy road to get William Nylander the third crown. Is that an iceberg there just later? Excuse me, I am tasked with awarding a crown. Is it cold in here? I am tasked with awarding a crown each week, and you cannot take away my crown. Damn.

And I think the man who has three crowns on his jersey in Calgary deserves. From Calgary. From Calgary. Deserves the crown. You're giving us hell for the joke we made early on, man. Hey, I'm just joining the team here. If our rush is slow, I can't speed it up. Yeah, we're as fast as the slowest person today.

That's Who the War of the Crown for this week. Brought to you as always by Crown Royal. Next time the puck drops, why not? Why not? Live generously and treat your Leafs crew to a crown old-fashioned. Now, how would you like to see the Leafs in person? I'd turn it down. You'd turn it down?

you'd say no yeah yeah tell crown to give that back well i'm not asking you oh see we already got tickets to the game because they were nice enough to send us crown's like yeah we're not inviting you again so so the reason we got those tickets is so we could scout them out and we could do a little social media so that you could see where you're going to sit when you win tickets to the game are you ready for that very nice seats yeah oh yeah they're great seats they're right at Sean McKenzie's screaming level. Yes, and you almost got him.

Now, a post went up about three hours ago at the time of this recording for Crown Royal Canada on Facebook. We will tweet the link and it's in the description below on YouTube.

So you can check this out. All you have to do is click the link, whatever. Contest for this closes Friday. And by the way, the game is Saturday night. Who do the Leafs play Saturday night?

Jesse, don't look it up. Is it... You already know. Boston? Jesse, thoughts? Buffalo. Boston. Boston.

It is Boston. Now, this is not the... I thought this was the Hutchison game, and I was going to get very mad that Hutchison was going to play another Hodge against Canada against a rival. Hutchison's game tonight. No, Hutchison's tonight. The Leafs play the Bruins on Saturday,

and they have, I think, one day off, and then it's another back-to-back with the Bruins on the back half. Right. So they play the Bruins two times in three games. So the Maple Leafs play the Bruins Saturday night in Toronto, and thanks to Crown Royal, you all have the chance to win tickets to the game, but it's not always about what you get. It's about

what you give, as we've said. So we're going to be tweeting out the link this afternoon, like I said. Click it. Tell Crown Royal in this contest, by the way, how you've been inspired to act generously, and you could be in the house for the huge game. Crown Royal, live generously, life will treat you royally. So again,

when we give you the link, make sure you tell us how you've been inspired to act generously in your life, and it can be anything. It can be anything you want. Why not? Whenever you've been generous, let us know. And also, if you could help us out a little bit, when you do comment on the Facebook post,

leave a little hashtag SDP just so they know who sent you. Cool? Why not? Why not? Hashtag SDP. Hashtag why not. So anyway, Leafs last night. Minnesota.

Not a real team. We'll get to that. Made up. Fairytale. So the Leafs really don't know when a game starts Oh my god No Are people saying that's a bad narrative?

There is no difference between good things and bad things You imbecile You fucking moron What Okay what is that from It's a drill tweet Can you turn off the fan It's a drill tweet

So in the context Because it took me a while to understand that tweet For anybody that that, you know, would need some context for that. Because Justin Fisher brings it up once a day. Yeah, because it's hilarious. Yeah. But in this particular context,

why do you use it there? Oh, it's a myth. Is it a myth? I just follow a bunch of people. I'll just say heart of. Dude, they've been scored on first six out of seven times. That's bad. Yeah.

And the vast majority of them have been in the first five minutes. yesterday was six come on i don't i don't care if they're out shooting them but you know what i do a little bit you know what i care more about though it's priorities that's priority two priority number one don't get friggin scored on stop it it's minnesota and oh look at look at how and the the goal sucked ass it was a bad goal did you see it it was a bad goal it was terrible there's no one covering two guys two guys i don't understand how that happens i i don't you know what the leaf said freddie had no shot why not why not Abandon our coverage

Why not Why not Communicate do anything I didn't even know who to blame it on Who was the defense pairing out Riley Cece No it was Barry Muzzin Muzzin was at one side of the net

Barry had a guy followed that guy Matthews was also in front of the net So it was two guys to one And Barry had his guy But in the process They somehow, in the span of a second Forgot about that one guy Both of them

Or Muzzin had to go through Matthews And that was impossible So all of a sudden, Freddy's facing an uncontested shot In a full screen I'm sorry, that's a good start Yeah, well, you know No! No! Details! Details is what leads to shit like that

Is it that, Steve It's not that they're not starting well It's just that they don't defend well So it's kind of par for the course throughout the entire game. They have no interest in defending, according to the Minnesota Wild feed. Oh, that was great. Wes Walls. That's okay, though.

I don't mind homers. I don't mind home team broadcasters being homers. Yeah, I don't mind that either. And Boston's the worst for it. Well, because Jack Edwards is like, Jack Edwards sometimes pushes it over the line, and you're like, man, like, one thing to support your team, another to be like, Roman Polak, you had that coming. Oh, he broke his neck.

Oh, that's a shame. I will apologize for it. Still saying he had it coming. Oh, that's karma. Little hockey karma. But if you're a Boston Bruins fan, you love Jack Edwards. Fuck yeah. Yeah, so I don't care.

We have Joe Bowen. Joe's great. Yeah, that's, Jesse, you're like one of those politicians who compares weed to crack. Joe Bowen is not Jack Edwards. But I do it the other way. I say, you know, if weed's going to be legal, might as well legalize heroin and crack as well. Is Joe Bowen a gateway drug to Jack Edwards? Man.

First you're listening to Joe Bowen. Next thing you know, it's Jack Edwards with the Sirhan Sirhan thing. So, yeah, I don't buy that. Can I speak for that? I thought you were a little hard on them for being fans of the team. Oh, I wasn't hard on them. Fans of the team? Wes Walls used to play for the friggin' Minnesota Wild.

So he's a fan. So he's a fan of the team. That's true. And he's rooting for the team. He's in the broadcast booth. And he's also one of those guys that always got selected in expansion drafts. I think he was selected, like, three different times. He was always, like, the throw-in at the trade, too.

Classic, classic, oh, I hope he plays on a good team one day guy. Yeah, yeah. He had a few playoff runs. Sure. When Minnesota randomly decided to stop allowing goals. Yeah, there you go. Remember that? So, yeah, I mean, I don't think, the Leafs have allowed the first goal in six of seven games.

If you want to make the argument to me that they've started well, you're, sorry, flatly, you're wrong. You're flatly wrong. There is no arguing it. You're wrong. And it's okay to be wrong, but back off. You're wrong. They've cleaned it up afterwards. Don't be smug about how wrong you were.

Yeah, like... That's not an insignificant number. No. Six of seven is something that's happening. That would be... And for at least a year now, it's been shitty first five minutes. Yep. Shitty first five to ten, and then the remainder of the first is fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

and then by the end of it they often break even because they're a good team but it doesn't take away from the fact that they started shitty and they're second in the league in scoring

so that takes up a lot of the that gives them a lot of leeway to do some crazy shit because I mean last year weren't they the highest scoring team

in the league in the second period and it was like some crazy that's a very specific stat they were last night it was some crazy stat because I remember

hearing it going that is bizarre but they were awful in the first I believe in the second period they would just explode Which is weird because Matthews Remember in his rookie year

All his goals were first period He would always be the second person to score Because it would be somebody on the other team first And then Matthews He'd come back and tie it Very very true I got a question about those tough starts We talk about

Commitment to defense We talk about covering our guys There's another player on the ice That never gets brought up Or, like, has not got brought up in the slow starts category. Not once this season, anyway. And that person is Freddie Anderson. Not this one.

I agree. I think we need to start talking about Freddie Anderson being October Freddie Anderson. No, we absolutely do not. Yes, we do. No. I was having a conversation. That's also something that I've seen thrown around a thousand times. And, no, he wasn't October Freddie Anderson last year.

Not last year, but the year before, and the year before that, and the year before that. So maybe last year is just one October that he happened to be on. Oh, that's the outlier. That happens. Adam, what are you saying? I was talking to Sean Tierney, charting hockey today. And he posted a graph that I understood. Heat map hockey?

No, it's charting hockey. Sorry, go ahead. Heat map hockey. It's a shitty joke. I'm sure Sean appreciates it. Dude, it's great when people laugh. So Sean posted a graph that you can check out on his page at Charting Hockey, which you should follow, even if you don't fully understand everything.

And this is why I reached out to Sean. Not only are we in the same fantasy hockey league together. See, this is why I'm learning. But I reached out to him and said, listen, man. What did on-ice Corsi and a fantasy pool guy have to say? What did your backwards-ass fantasy league have to say? I got 16 shots, so I scored. No, you were on the ice for 16 shots.

What is in the presence of 16 shot attempts that don't even necessarily hit the net equals a goal? It's a Jonas Hoagland goal. Right? What? He was a Swedish winger in the late 90s who basically was a passenger on the Sundin line for three years. Tierney says this. Also once got traded by the Leafs, except the trade didn't go through because the fax machine broke. Said, hey, man, I got a question for you regarding your graph this morning on goalies,

specifically Freddie Anderson. Does your graph show that he hasn't totally been up to his normal plays? Like, hey, Adam, yeah, that's right. I have Anderson as six more goals allowed than we'd expect based on the quality and quantity of shots he's faced. And I said, that's interesting. Is that based on him or is that team play? Like, can you isolate a goalie?

And he said, only Dubnik, Holtby, and Bobrovsky and Brassois. Brassois! Bersoit. Laurent Bersoit. Have been worse. And by the way, Penns fans, Bersoit, one of the worst in terms of expected goals against. Just throwing that out there. But they said it's Bersoit.

If a goalie is facing... He plays for the Jets, Adam. I know, but the Penns beat him. They're like, oh, we beat the Jets 7-4. Laurent Bersoit. Adam versus Pittsburgh is not what I... Someone asked for a t-shirt. Should we make it?

Adam versus Pittsburgh? No, no, no. Laurent Bersoit. The SWAT team. The SWAT team. So he said, if a goalie is facing more quality shots, we expect them to allow more goals. This chart accounts for it, which is why John Gibson always looks great, even though Anaheim hangs him out to dry. And I was like, that's pretty incredible data.

He said, basically, Toronto is managing shot quantity and quality well, but they've been let down by Anderson so far. He does this every year and it never lasts long. He's more of a November guy. I do believe it this year It's just the first goal last night I'm not saying the first goal last night But maybe we ought to mention it Dude, he's had some really bad goals

He let in two goals Over the course of the entire preseason Everybody thought, ah, Freddie's back I don't think he's there yet Or one goal Like the Shattenkirk goal From Tampa I still say it's more of an indictment of Riley

That was terrible And there was one it was one of the earlier games of the season I'm trying to remember who it was. Was it the first game? Was it Ottawa? It was just a shot. Like it was just a coming down the wing shot. And not

from Phil Kessel. Like that's not supposed to go in. Not on a guy who I keep calling him a top 10 goalie in the league. He's at least top 15. Yeah. Oh yeah. Without question. My only thing is that I look at the Leafs losses the Montreal, St. Louis, Tampa

and I don't pin any of them on Freddie. Yeah, well, Montreal definitely not. He wasn't in that. Oh, yeah, he wasn't in that. So it's like, okay, he might be slow, but he hasn't cost them any games. What was it? St. Louis was the other one?

Yeah, St. Louis and Tampa are the only two losses he has this year. But in seven games, if he's let in six more goals over the course, not seven games, I guess, for him, but he was letting in six more goals than they expected. That would give them a chance at forcing overtime against Tampa. Yeah, right.

No, I, listen. It's small sample size. He hasn't been wonderful. No. He's been good enough. Absolutely. No question. Every game they should have won, they should have won.

Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Except for the Montreal one, but that wasn't him. It wasn't him. Every ready start, yes. Yeah. You mentioned it before.

Mike Babcock making the change for Trevor Moore. When you saw that, did you go, okay, great, this lasts a shift? Because that's my answer to that. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's going to try this like he tried Bataan for 30 seconds last year. No, because last night was an ice surfing night, which is chaos. So I missed Moore's first shift. And I just see all these tweets and I'm like, oh, shit. So I look up and sure enough, I think their first shift of the second period goes in.

And the interesting part about it is I've never seen John Tavares shoot a puck like that. That's why I almost gave him the crown. I'm like, you can shoot? Dude. What? Oh, he can shoot. But not a clap. I didn't know he had that.

When he scored from the boards? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It never happens if you're captain you got to be on the bench like come on man Look at Trevor Moore working in the corner the sticklet dude He bombed a clapper from a shit spot on the ice that Trevor Moore barred down that Trevor Moore didn't touch It was swinging around the board Trevor Moore stepped over it Which was the right thing to do.

It was intentional. He did it intentionally. You're giving him credit for not touching the block. Watch Doody play. Look how good he's got it. Yes, we've got to give that. We've got to give that. But then, yeah.

Well, it was probably Tavares in the first place who was like, don't touch. Right. Leave it. I don't know. But I have never seen John Tavares, at least as a Leaf. I'm sure Islander fans saw it for years. I never saw him do that. Never seen him do that.

That is one encouraging thing. I mean, the defense is still a work in progress. But the Leafs offensively, and especially on the power play, although that was an even strength goal, I'm like, oh, you got a new bag of tricks. I didn't know Tavares had a clapper like that. I didn't know Janssen had the shot that we saw in the power play against Tampa. I didn't know he had that little spinorama move to Marner. I didn't know Marner had this kind of shot.

I didn't know Matthews had that kind of one-timer. An already lethal team has got a brand new bag of tricks. It's great. It's a lot of fun. It's really good. Now, are we surprised, and do we believe that Mike Babcock sticks with this? Because usually we have to wait until about game 40, 45, before he makes any changes to the lineup. I'm not surprised.

You're not surprised. Why is that? Well, he likes more. We know that he likes more. And what changed my opinion, because I think only two games ago I was like, no, give him a chance. They look fed up. That line looks fed up. Marno looks fed up. Tavares looks fed up.

We talked about that a little bit, that picture that's been circulating. Well, and Kapanen's too good of a player and too valuable of a player to this team to have his confidence assassinated so early in the season. Do you think he feels good about himself right now? No, he doesn't. That's terrible. And he's out there killing a penalty right after Tavares scores that goal or something like that.

Can't feel good to be Kasperi Kapanen. He knows what people are saying. But, I mean, Trevor Moore Earned his spot It's going to be hard To send him down to the fourth line I don't think Trevor Moore is going to the fourth line Zach Hyman probably gets eased back in

Well, I also think that Mikheyev Goes to the fourth line So, what would be So, when Hyman comes back Which looks like it's sooner rather than later Where are we putting Kapanen and Moore? I think you put Kapanen, Moore And Kerfoot together in the third

Listen, I'm not asking people to like this. But I also don't hate a guy as good as Mikheyev on the fourth line. Someone's going to get injured at some point. So that's not going to last forever. But pretty sweet line to have. And Mikheyev, you've got to remember, the guy's not even 10 games into his NHL career. He's the guy that slides. I just don't feel like this is the team that we see in December.

What do you mean? Personnel-wise. You think there's a trade coming? There's something up. There's something very strange. Now, if Steve says this for 20 games, Jesse, and it happens, does that mean he was right? I said December. Or did he hold on to his prediction long enough?

Because that's what I'm saying, 20 games from now. If you say something for long enough, it'll probably just come true. I think this team isn't the team we see in 2025. It's not going to happen. It just can't. Man, that's Brian Burke-esque. You know, in 2025, Matthews deals up. You know, I drafted someone in 2004, and they're in the league right now.

So I think I know what I'm talking about. I might know a thing or two, buckaroo. Buckaroo. Can you guys not shit on a Rodgers employee actually? No, I would say this to his face. Hey, Berkey. Hey, Berkey. Stop arousing the anxiety of Leafs Nation.

Morgan Riley ties the franchise record for assists in a period with four. And very nondescript. I almost forgot to mention it in the video today because they were all secondary assists. Yeah, no one's making a big deal of it, but it's a good thing. Franchise record. Marner gets his first point 5-on-5 later in the game. Another thing I wasn't worried about. Yeah, no.

Power play goals count. Yeah, exactly. I think because we are predisposed to and I believe in what advanced stats bring, for a long time, power play points inflated a player's point totals, so it made you think the player was better than they really were. Like Jason Allison is a perfect example of that. Not a great player, but good on the power play And was a good player for his time

But then when the game sped up You're like, whoa, he can't really skate anymore But he's like a good pivot on the power play, I guess And still scored 60-something points With the Leafs that one year Some people This is going to make me sound so old But the first month or so

Of the 05-06 season Was so trippy As a hockey fan Because you just watched so many guys who like they were older but they were still good and they have just taken a year off and the rules have changed hardcore yeah and they hit the ice and you're like oh they're off to a slow start and after like a month you're like oh they don't have it yeah yeah oh they can't do it anymore yeah it's just like it's gone like it was it was a huge it's the biggest change the sports scene

rules wise i think in my lifetime ever ever at one time yeah ever since the four would pass honestly all at once but you know it was sort of I think what I was going for there is we put a lot into 5 on 5 it's like well how are they doing 5 on 5

because that's a true indication of how great they are as a player and I think that's very true but it doesn't mean that we discount the other thing it's sort of an adjunct and they get a bunch of power play points right listen I know Marner's good I know Tavares is good

I know Kapanen's good They didn't work. Yeah, it's the Ryan Dezingles of the world that you don't want to trade for because they've got inflated power play points. But you know which Marner's going to... Well, he's a guy that had 25 goals last year. Come on. Somebody had to be scoring. Except now he's on Carolina, so I assume he's amazing.

He probably ended up a million. But in this regard, you knew Marner was going to come around on this. You knew Tavares was going to come around. I think Tavares has quietly had a point a game anyway. Yeah. Oh, that's, um, unless Marincin had an assist last night, which I don't think he did, every single player who has skated for the Toronto Maple Leafs this season has at least a point. Really?

Already. And, like, consider how many players have played, and that's all the, like, Justin Hall's got a point, um, Sandin had a point, um, all the guys getting the fourth line auditions. Marincin, I think, is the only one. Really? Unless he has a point. Are you saying? I'm looking right now.

Marincin is the only one who does not have a point. And Freddie and Hutchison don't have an assist yet. Okay. I know. It's a shame. Hutchison is looking for his first career point. He's going to get it against Boston Saturday night. So if Mitch Marner starts with a slow...

Wait, no, he's not. Tonight. If Mitch Marner starts with a slow seven games... Yes. Does it make you feel better that he's still leading the team in points? Right? He's got three goals and six assists. That's supposedly a slow start.

Yeah, I was about to say, is it a slow start? It's not. People keep saying that, but it's not. He's been fine. What is expected of him? I don't, listen, I don't. It's the contract. I don't really feel bad for him.

No. When you ask for that amount of money, you ask for this. Yeah. And what is expected of him is to be a top 10 score in the league. That's it. That's literally it. And also, like, are you new here? Like, his power play scoring is going to slow down.

His five on five scoring is going to pick up. And it'll still be right around the same pace That's what's going to happen Morgan Riley already has nine assists He's second in team scoring Only because he doesn't have a goal Second in team scoring And tied for first in the league in assists

And Matthews is, I think, a goal behind James Neal He's got seven goals in seven games Read out his shooting percentage His shooting percentage Who, James Neal or Matthews? Austin Matthews It's actually lower than I would have thought Okay.

But still pretty high. 21.9%. That is lower than I thought. That's still very high. He's had the most shots on the team with 32. He shoots the lights out. He does. He takes a lot of shots.

He does. But when you consider that, like, Crosby's usually, what, a 15 or a 16? Like, the best shooting percentages in the league are, like, yeah, I guess between 15 and 18, roughly. And you would expect Matthews to be at that. So if he only goes down, like, three percentage points, it's not bad. It's ridiculous. Cools off What a freaking monster

No but he's taking 32 shots And it's still up at 21 It's crazy He is so good And his faceoff percentage is interesting I'm just looking at it right now 60% Which is a phony stat

It is a phony stat It's baloney We were talking about that at the game I was like I think it was a spets of faceoff And I'm like okay who won that So how did you So in the, I think it was the first 31 thoughts of the season, Elliot had as one of his points that the NHL and most teams count face-off wins differently. The NHL has very specific rules on if a puck is won to your team's side, but the other team's player collects it, it goes towards the other team.

But it has to be cleanly enough to say that they have possession. So it could still be on your side. The other team wins it in a scrum. But since it was like on your side So you can win a faceoff by being fast Yeah, essentially Because I guess it's about who gets possession But also about the direction that the puck went

So there's like, there's so many little things That most teams have their own Internal faceoff stats So they'll be like All teams have their own internal stats Because the public stats are trash Damn, that's why I'm an extra skater, man Oh, there was a little

So yeah, when you look at faceoff stats You gotta take it with a grain of salt What I would want to track, I think, I think, is possession after the faceoff. I want the possession after the—I don't care who won the actual battle. I think we're focusing on something that doesn't matter. What matters is you get possession. And if you're a team, you probably think the exact same way, and that's what you track, right? I wonder if that's what they do.

Because I would want—and then, if there's, like, a battle along the boards right away, I would count that as a nil. Like, nothing. I'd be curious to know— That's not a one or a loss. It's just there. The NHL is like, no, every time there's a face-off, somebody's a winner and somebody's a loser, so we've got to rate it somehow.

Like, is there a center in the league that is super shafted or super helped out by their wingers? Like, what if the center is a good face-off guy, but their wingers are useless at retrieving the puck? Maybe the best face-off guy in the league is a defenseman. Because he just gobbles it up. Think about that for a team like Minnesota, who we have to talk about. Minnesota is one of the slowest teams in the league.

So if they can't get to their own puck, let's say Kevin Fiala magically dresses against them, and he's quite fast. That was a weird scratch. That was a weird scratch. Interesting. Wonder if there's something going on there. Kevin Fiala is one of the faster guys on that team, is he not?

He's one of the, like, he's not bad, man. He's a good player. Just never really put it together. Let's say Kasperi Kapanen is on the Leafs, and Alexander Kerfoot loses the initial faceoff, but Kapanen is able to intercept it as it goes back to the defense. So their team save percentage And that player save percentage

Is going to be further down Just based on the fact that they are slow There was a goal A few years ago I want to say Connor Brown got it And it was off of a faceoff they lost on purpose If you lose a faceoff on purpose And it leads to a goal for you

You won the faceoff You won the goal, you didn't win the faceoff But the puck went where you wanted it to go Isn't that what a faceoff is? It's the lost faceoff I think it's possession. It should come down to possession. I guess.

Which is hard to imagine hockey. I don't know. It's tough. Can I read you an article that is very short because it's one paragraph? Please. Which is why I don't feel bad about reading the whole thing. This is from Greg Wyshynski of ESPN. Boo.

Boo. On the note of in-house analytics versus public analytics from ESPN. The NHL tells ESPN that it's investigating an apparent change in the way shot distance is being measured in its game summaries. This week, the hockey analytics community noted a dramatic shift in shot distance, including video evidence that shots in the crease were being measured as having been several feet away. This could corrupt advanced stats like expected goals and goalie analytics like high danger saves. After observing the videos, the NHL is looking at potential catalysts. So basically, variances in the NHL's tracked data could ruin just a bunch of public stats.

Wow. So we could be looking at stuff that's just... Garbage. Well, and there was another one. I want to say Corey Snidger, whose last name I can never pronounce, pointed out... At what on Twitter? I think that's what it is. At Corey Snidger?

One of those names that has an S followed by a Z. Ah. Oh. It's usually Polish There's an upside down letter in there We have one of those weird accents, Hungarian They all have those, they're all from that area Those vowels don't go together

No, no Those consonants But yeah, probably vowels too I don't remember where I was going with that Oh, the time on ice He was showing the time on You know how the game sheet Will show you each shift

when it began and ended for every player, he posted one. He's like, there's the guy on the bench. No way. Or it was like, no, the guy was, it said his shift had just started and he's like streaking down the wing on the other side of the ice. So he couldn't have possibly just jumped on the ice. Yeah, a lot of the, if you're using public data, you need to take everything with a grain of salt

because the NHL's public data is garbage. And they don't seem, I don't know what's in it for them to really improve the public data. Can they make any money off the public data? No. Well, yeah, and you've got to spend money to make it any good. And it seems like it takes a lot of effort. Yeah.

Even to get it wrong. Cody Ceci might rule. Like, we don't know. We don't know. We should ask Berkshire. Can I just read the piece from Elliot? It's one stat tracker who just hates him. He just hates Cody Ceci.

He cheered against the 67s in junior. He just hated him. I found the quote here just to wrap the conversation. He said, according to the league's guidebook, a face-off win occurs when the actions of the center result in his team gaining possession of the puck following puck drop or when the face-off center clearly causes the puck with or without retaining possession to travel in an intended direction. So what if the center falls down at the face-off circle and his winger goes whoops and just swoops in and collects it? The center had nothing to do with it. Then it's a win. He didn't touch the puck!

But he could also intend the puck to go forward, and if he makes it go forward, then it's also a win. But his team might not get it. So there you go. Yeah, because he made the puck go where he wanted it to go. Face officers. So, yeah, that's the NHL. Yeah.

No, that's garbage. Michael Hutchison has the toughest job in the league, tracking face offsets from Mike Babcock. That's his job? Oh, my God. He's got to do it? Why do they give that clip? Why do they even bother giving that clip?

Is that really? He's not doing that. He's not doing that. Oh, yeah. You've never seen that these sitting there with the baseball cap and he's got his little clipboard and he's like fuck my life Why am I doing this? I don't know why they bother with that anymore because they have someone for that They've got like 40 people in that and 800 camera. Yeah Also, I don't see your teammates. Those are your teammates

Yeah, my best friend Austin Matthews won every one of his face-offs. He is great star gold star. Yeah pulls out a different marker Yeah, I'm going to give him a smiley face. Boy, that Freddie Anderson is looking pretty weird. He has stickers. Yeah, yeah. Kerfoot, I don't really know you yet. So you're just at a 50.

Actually, Kerfoot's apparently, according to the NHL.com, Kerfoot's under 50% in face-off. Don't believe it. 46. Nylander's 43. But look at this. Gauthier, it's 60%. Nicholas Shore, it's 60%.

Or 59. Nicholas Shore. Yeah, 60 is extremely high. 43 is really low One will come down One will come up So let me ask you this Really important question

Minnesota fans Let me ask you this Look into the camera Is Ryan Hartman A big baby? Wow That's what she wanted to ask Is Ryan Hartman a big baby?

She's nodding into the camera I think he's upset Well let me read the quote I think he's mad on and off line if a leaf said this would you say that leaf guy sure is a big baby oh if a leaf

said that all of western Canada and Quebec would take the day off work and be like alright let's get online let's get to work you bunch of oh my god

Grant McKagg would have a freaking field day Jonathan Drouin would never say that Noted Better player Than almost everyone Except for Austin Matthews Would never say that But Minnesota

At Russo Hockey Michael Russo Is one of the best Reporters in the business Oh yeah He is so phenomenal He's a real good dude Like just

Unbelievable Anyway He said Maybe the best Single article Of 2019 so far The Paul Fenton article Yeah

Oh my god Our whole show Was based on that Good shit Real good shit So at Russo Hockey You should follow him Even if you don't

Fall of the Wild, just because the guy is so good. Anyway, he's like, uh, Hartman accused Muzzin of diving. So we're talking about the play where, if you've never seen it, Hartman is going up the ice, he gets hit, um, loses his stick. He was hurt, too. He says

he was hurt. And he did wait on the ice a while to see if the whistle would blow. Did you notice that? There was a little bit of a pause. Oh, you think? Oh, did he? Are you accusing Ryan Hartman of diving? I'm not accusing him of diving. diving, I'm accusing him of being a good

salesman. And good for him. Everybody is now. That's how the league works. If that's an insult, Nazem Kadri, we put Nazem Kadri on the pedestal for being able to do that. I don't think that's an insult. It was his Halloween costume. Thank you. Painting it.

So Hartman is then mad and goes up the ice. When Jake Muzzin turns around, grabs his shoulder a little bit. And Jake Muzzin, Who is a tree? With a beard. He's a bearded tree.

Flips around unlike a tree and falls. No, no. I got a touch. And Hartman doesn't have a stick, and then he gets a stick at the bench and realizes he's been called, and he does the, ah! This is my no good, very bad day. And so after the game, and by the way, the Leafs scored almost like five seconds after that penalty was called.

It was like, bang. Negated breakaway, too. Yeah. So he said, Hartman accused Muzzin of diving. Quote, it was embarrassing on his part. He knows what happened. And if you saw after the goal, they actually went to Hartman. And I think they always try to get the camera away when you can lip read.

Because he said, you fucking dope. I didn't fucking touch you. Yeah. And Boudreaux didn't let Hartman off the hook for grabbing Muzzin. He said there was no need for it. We had a breakaway completely all the way in. That's a coach who's getting fired, by the way. See, let's get to that in a second.

He shouldn't be, but yeah. Let's get to that in a second. It could have been a 2-2 game, maybe, if Donato scores there. You don't know. You just don't know. But in all honesty, I was joking about the baby thing. Ryan Hartman has... He takes too many penalties in general.

He does. So, yeah, you were talking about that in your video. This guy seems like a guy who... Takes like 30 minors a year. Like, even after the game, Ryan, that's the wrong move. He was hot. That's the wrong move. That team doesn't sound...

I'm very happy. I don't expect they should be. Bruce Boudreaux looks friggin' miserable. He won't stick up for Hartman. Hartman, who's playing on his fourth or fifth team after being a first-round... The type of guy to get drafted in the first round, and if you want him in a trade, you've got to pay a first-rounder to get him. And then he was like a waiver claim or something like that. He's not awesome.

I don't know if he's even going to play every night for the Minnesota Wild. He was supposed to be a power forward, too. So here's... Bill Guerin is ready to just light a stick of dynamite under that team. Well, I think he needs to. Bruce Boudreaux said this after the game, and I thought this was, beyond the Hartman quote, this was to me the most telling thing. He said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that he wished he had some sort of magic potion to make the team faster.

That's very funny. Is that potion Scratch Kevin Fiala? Well, that's, yeah. But you're right. Kevin Fiala. If you do want a faster team, Fiala's got to play. I feel that. There's a couple guys in that team who are very Fenton guys, and he's maybe the poster

boy of them. Boudreaux? No, Fiala. Yeah. It's got to be tough to be those guys. Yeah. It's got to be tough to be Fenton's kid, who is the head of scouting. Is he still?

Still the head of scouting. Oh, God. And I don't know whether he's good or not. I don't know. He could be great, but it's still got to be tough. Is that a situation you even want to be in? With a guy like Ryan Hartman, with a team like this, where they're at, you just mentioned Bruce Boudreaux being potentially on the hot seat.

And there's another coach on the hot seat that I want to talk about a little bit later. But Bruce Boudreaux for now. I find his quotes always very refreshing and very honest. But I think especially now. He's literally still an Open Leaf fan. Yes. He's coached on the Minnesota Wild. But I think he looks at it and is going, you know what?

I'm just going to say what I think at this point, because I could lose my job. I'm a pretty good coach, and I want any prospective team that wants to hire me to say, well, at least he knew what was wrong. Because that's the thing. You don't get hired in the NHL if they think you're out of touch. He's speaking his mind and not sticking up for his guys. He coaches a shitty team, and the GM in charge is not the GM who hired him. He's gone. He'll go somewhere else and have success, but he's gone.

Yep. It's done. He's one of the best regular season coaches there is. Seriously. Truly is. Seriously. You know, caps, ducks, like, truly great. And he has postseason success until the seventh game.

Of the second round. And if he ever wins the Stanley Cup, it'll be in six. It'll have to be. You might be able to say the same about Babs. Imagine that. Oh. Listen. How many games have been wins?

Let's just call a spade a spade. How many games have been wins did Babs have in Detroit? I don't know. You'd have to ask Justin Ablicator. Good question. I don't know. Justin Abedekir wouldn't answer questions about Babcock. There was a quote today from Gustav Nyquist.

He's being used on the penalty kill in Columbus. Gustav Nyquist? Yeah. He plays for who? Columbus. I forgot. They still have a hockey team if you weren't aware. Yeah.

I totally forgot. Gustav Nyquist is a Columbus Blue Jacket now. He was like their big get this summer. They had a tough summer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they struck out on a few. But they got a good one.

And lost everybody. Yo, full march to them for going for it, though. I still appreciate the hell out of that. That was amazing. Yeah. Anyway, continue. And I guess he's being used on the penalty kill, and he's been decent so far.

And supposedly Tortorella went, how come you weren't used on the penalty kill elsewhere? And he said, stupid coaches. That's a good lie. And I'm like... Torts probably love that. Torts probably love that. I don't know about Blaschel or Babcock.

Well, from what I understood, Blaschel is supposedly, he was like Babcock Jr. right like they went when he took over they thought oh he's very similar so i don't know i don't know if that actually ended up being true i haven't paid enough attention to detroit i'm sure our podcast friends could tell us yes by the way if you're a detroit fan check them out they're amazing um so if you're minnesota tell me how oh sorry tell me how remember they're so good that they didn't even bother making the playoffs damn it no i jinxed them if bruce budro gets fired tell me how this gets better it doesn't oh but that's like every coach firing ever except for

uh pittsburgh a couple years ago sorry that's like every good coach getting fired ever like joel quinville yeah that was dumb they weren't like oh yeah this will solve everything it was just time you know what i mean does it sometimes just wear thin and that's it and you've expired it's just time sometimes it's just time and other times like it's a bit of a mercy firing Like, Bruce Boudreaux, like, him coaching the Minnesota Wilds is a waste of time. That's a good coach. He belongs with a playoff team. He belongs in the, I'll say, the Stanley Cup conversation for a guy who's never won a Game 7.

I don't care. He's a great coach. He knows how to coach teams to President's Trophies. That's something. But you wouldn't trade places with a President's Trophy team right now in Minnesota? 100%. You know what I mean? But it's a waste of time for a coach as good as Bruce Boudreaux to be on a team that shitty.

And it is not his fault that this team is so poorly constructed. And they have a goalie, too. They do. Man, a lot of shitty teams, like, they can't stop a beach ball. Like, Dubnyk is just... And a great defense core. Yeah, and you saw how good John Gibson was last year for his team to not make the playoffs. if Dubnik is

85% of that which is a lot of percent of that they're going to get crushed they're going to get crushed what's interesting too is that there is a lot of speed available on in like fringe positions where the Wild seem to get hurt the most

is slow, I mean they've got slow center mid but slow wings and especially when it comes to their depth but it's not like you can't find speedy depth out there, I mean look what the Leafs have With lines 5 and 6 But they just don't have room on their roster Like they have so many guys in their mid-20s

And early 30s locked up For multiple years They can't just take on waivers guys Because there's nowhere to play They were able to get Matt Zuccarello Because they pulled a Brinks truck up to his house But other than him I didn't understand that

Then that signing happened I don't know if we talked about it much at the time I understood it from his perspective He wanted a big ol' bunch of money But I don't know why you signed there if you want to win. For them. I think you want a big old bunch of money. Yeah, for them it made no sense to lock up the 32-year-old for, what is it, five years at $6 million?

Who signed that? Was it Guerin or was that a Fenton? That was a Fenton deal. That was Fenton. Oh my God, why did they let him? And then the one thing that kept making the rounds yesterday was the average age of the team, which is 29th in the league. Their average age is 29.6.

Oh, you don't want to be old and shit. Yeah, so they're old and bad, and they have so many contracts for multiple years. That run half a decade. Well, Parise's contract expires the same year as Tavares. Oh, that is neat. Oh, my God. What? That's disgusting what you just said.

Stop that. Can we delete that? What? Yeah. When does Spurgeon kick in? Next year, right? Next year. And it's for until, what, six years?

Yes. It goes to the end of Cat Friendly. He's going to be there until he's, like, 36. And he's 29 already. He's 29! Suter's deal expires when Parise does. And love Matt Zuccarello. Love Matt Zuccarello.

I think he's a great player. But at 32, you sign him to a five-year contract. It's ridiculous. I mean, they could trade him? I'm sure there were other teams who wanted him. Yeah, he probably just wanted the fifth year. It was like how the Leafs got Marleau. But you get burned on that fifth year.

It's that extra year that's the problem. Jason Zucker, man, they're lucky they didn't trade him because they probably would have blown that one. They have one contract coming off the books this offseason. And it's Mikko Koivu. They've been set up to not succeed Victor Rask This year, next year, and the year after

Is making $4 million a year There's not Room to play with You just gotta sell Yeah Yeah, they're about to go hamster Huey and the gooey kablooey What is that? I think it's a fictional book from the Calvin and Hobbes series

Okay They're about to go hamster Huey and the gooey kablooey Suter's contract sucks too but full marks he did look good last night did he

well he broke up that three on one that was cool I just kept watching Leafs go yeah yeah anyway very very

interesting stuff there's a it's a fascinating situation there the other guy and I think we should bring this up now is John Hines

and I know we kind of touched on it last episode interesting but John Hines yeah New Jersey's weird right there's a lot of

roster turnover Goaltending suspect. Assistant coach turnover, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Or goaltending poo. And then they replace. They have an assistant GM fill in as an assistant coach.

Because Tom Fitzgerald. Yeah. If you didn't know this, Tom Fitzgerald is now as the assistant GM joining John Hines on the staff now. Which is super interesting. He wants to see who's going to actually be playing for them. Does that mean, do you think that means that they're looking at John or the players? The players, 100%. You think so?

Yeah. I want an up-close look at who's actually playing for this team because they're not playing up to their ability. I'm going to go down there and see what's happening. He's the assistant GM. He was probably consulted and gave his opinion as to, yeah, we should get this guy. We should get that guy. He's got to find out why it's not working. 100%.

You're already there. Yeah. Well, better to nip it now. 100%. If you're going to make mistakes in life, make them quickly. A small sample size is the... The difference between a small sample size and not a small sample size is a small sample size. Yeah.

You start your season with four bad games. That's a small sample size. Six? Oh, holy shit. It's the difference of two games, but if you come out of your first six with one win, you're in shit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. How many teams recover from that, really?

You don't. It's, and, oh, well, there's this example and that example. But, well, even them. Like, I don't know if they only had one win in six. No, I don't think so. They were just consistently kind of shitty. But they've proven that you can be the worst team in the NHL in January and win a Stanley Cup. If they were to find a Jordan Bennington.

Right. If you can find a goalie. Find the best goalie in the world. Exactly. I gotta ask you this. You guys remember our conversation about Cody Ceci? Because you talk about the Leafs getting squirrely, right? Last episode, we were talking about defense.

We were talking about, I mean, Ian Tulloch's been all over the Riley-CeCe pairing about gap control. Yeah, their booty. And we're talking about what'll happen when Travis Dermott comes back. I don't know if that was last episode or the episode before. It doesn't really matter. The point is, we were talking about why is Cody-CeCe a Leaf? We're going back to this. And is there something up to go to Steve's conspiracy theory?

Now, the Leafs cap situation with Cody-CeCe is interesting. Because I thought that they couldn't get away from Cody Cece this past summer. And it turns out I was right. Okay? So the pension plan puppets put this out there. It's a lot of peas. But essentially, the idea is because Ottawa had already qualified Cody Cece, the Leafs couldn't walk away from that.

When you already qualify a player and then trade him, you can't get away from it. And the thinking was, if they went to arbitration, he makes over $5 million rather than $4.5. So they had to sign him to that so that he wouldn't make more in arbitration. So that's the basic thing. And so a lot of our listeners have a really great understanding of the cap. And I'm so fucking thankful for it because they'll always slide into my DM and be like, Hey, I don't want to be that guy. I'm like, please be that guy.

If we were listeners of our own show, we'd be bottom half in terms of... Oh, intelligence? Sure. Yeah. So this comes from Chewy. He's a long, long time listener, always comes out to the events. What's up, Chewy? The last thing he said, basically, we were talking about Leafs, if they traded Cody Ceci, I said, because they're in LTIR, probably wouldn't get any cap relief. And that's not true. He said the thing about LTIR is that it basically makes the Leafs salary cap fixed from now until the end of the season or until they trade Clarkson or Horton. The Leafs salary cap will be just under the eighty one point five million dollar limit. That can change. What can change, though, is how much of that salary cap they've used in LTIR.

And this LTIR pool is $10.5 million. Then the Leafs have just paid David Clarkson $2 million not to play hockey. And now looping back to CeCe, while trading him won't affect the limit, what it does free is a sliver of money owed to him. If the Leafs do nothing with that sliver, then Clarkson will cost the Leafs $4 million owed to CeCe for the remainder of the year. However, that $4 million can be used for whatever player the Leafs want to get. Like, say, I don't know, a better defender who's currently left-handed and playing Carolina. Jake Gardner. But the only thing is, if CeCe went to arbitration with the Leafs, and he's awarded more than $4.3 million,

then the Leafs have the option to walk away from the contract. In this case, I think they didn't. Now, the pension plan puppets article I'm looking at... That's the problem. There is. I don't think I think if that was the option they would have yeah no because they

didn't go to the arbitration right so it never got to that option but you know how there's like different categories of free agent I think some guys you can walk away and some guys you can't yeah and this one it's any I'd like to see what they're saying against that because that's

just a rule it's still funny that we're having this conversation we're literally having the conversation why is he a leaf yeah well that's that is literally almost what the pension plan puppets said. Arvin, at ARVI on Twitter, wrote this. He said, will the Leafs keep Cody Ceci?

It's literally the article. And it's from June 30th. I don't see how he can play in the Leafs top four and they can contend for anything. Well, I just don't think that he does. That's, yeah. I've never seen a fan base so convinced that one of their own players, oh, don't worry, he's going to get shoved

down the lineup. Yeah. Babcock doesn't like that player. Yep. There's no way Listen, I don't know if this article fully explains that particular thing But there was other, the Leafs could Yeah, I don't know Some of you are going to laugh Like, oh, well Babcock loved Roman Polak

Like, CeCe doesn't do the things Roman Polak did That Babcock liked Yeah, Cody CeCe's not a heavy player No He is like, literally in terms of pounds But he's so slow In the uptake in his own end And he, listen, we've already seen a few offensive plays where I was like,

oh, hey, Zaitsev never did that. He's so bad in his own end. Yeah, yeah. And he seems that the worst thing is defensively anyway. Obviously he's doing A-OK offensively, but defensively, Riley appears to be worse. Right. To me.

I don't know what the numbers are. I'm just saying what I've seen. I'm like, Jesus, Morgan. What's going on? Oh, yeah. Now, I want to mention something. We have a live show coming up. Live show at Regulars in downtown Toronto.

It's going to be the 7th of November. That's a Thursday. And I believe that's against Vegas. Certainly is. So a real team. A real test. This will be good. So if you want to come to that, just show up.

We're going to start our show at 545. Is it tickets? No, just show up. Oh, nice. 545. It's free to attend. whatever you might want to get there early yeah sure but uh we're gonna go on on the air quote unquote at 5 45 it'll be a special bonus episode so don't worry we'll continue to do our normal

schedule uh we'll just have an extra show that week and um this one will be just an hour long a lot of questions so come armed with whatever you've ever wanted to ask steve your entire life or if you're a pens fan uh please keep your pitchforks outside of the bar they don't allow pitchforks in the bar did you ask them that i made sure yeah they have bouncers and stuff right But anyway, Regulars is a really cool bar in downtown Toronto, and we were quite surprised when they reached out, because I believe there's a Regulars outside of Toronto, and I was like, oh, it'll probably be that one. And they're like, no, no, it's like the downtown one. I was like, oh, cool. Like, it's a really, like, look it up.

It's very cool. So come join us November the 7th at Regulars. We will be there, and the game will be, obviously, later on as well. Now, we need to talk about Washington tonight, because we can't really get into too much about how the game went, obviously, because it's still tonight. We have not seen it. But, this is sort of a story of two teams that have really sort of underperformed at this point. I don't think Washington expected to start the season 3-2-2. Just like the Leafs were at 3-2-2 until last night.

It shows the expectation of both teams. Sure. We're looking at Washington and the Leafs and saying they've underperformed. Yes. Washington is bang average. They're fine. Stanley Cup contention is what's expected of them. Now, what do you think about, and this will be fun to go back and listen to after.

I love doing this stuff People are like Well the podcast is out of date Because the Leafs didn't play Yeah well it's also fun To go back and listen To what we predicted Will happen

Sure Because it's hockey Who cares And it's impossible to bet on Except we had one person By the way reach out And say but actually Hockey is great to bet on

I saw that That was very interesting Because he made a great point What did he say Since there's not a lot Of hockey betting Because it's so weird To bet on

That a lot of the lines You can If you're a student Off at betting You can get a lot Of wonky lines Because Vegas isn't paying as much attention so you can find more advantages as as uh but with football everybody is betting

on football so the lines are so exact i always gotta i don't know how any of that works can i just say i've never bet on a game ever i don't know what a line is i don't like i remember being on the fan and we were talking about betting and i was like i've been on the betting show on the fan like they have a they have a saturday morning yeah for oscars twice in two years in a And they had me on for And I was like Well the line is Whatever this website says

Leo DiCaprio is Leo's minus 450 To win the Right The best actor award Exactly And I would say I would explain the reasons why

That was what I could bring They could tell you the line It was about Why is this Why is Revenant gonna win Why is whatever So yeah I don't know how any of that shit works

You're gonna have to teach me at some point One day Okay We'll go to Vegas Oh Yeah We should do a trip down to Vegas Watch a game

We should Been on a couple ponies. Do we have any Vegas listeners? Yeah, we must. Do we? Must. Like people who are in Vegas. I wonder if they listened to the show before Vegas was announced or they found us after.

No, there were no hockey fans before the Golden Knights. I wonder if they found us after. I'm not talking about if there were hockey fans. There were none. They were born of the Golden Knights, Jesse. And their Twitter account guy who ended up getting fired. Oh, right. And was a listener, I think.

Was he? I don't know. Oh, shout out him. Yeah. It was great. Sorry. Washington? Washington.

Tonight. We're seeing a not-Freshleafs team take on a fresh Washington team. Fun and a pissed-off fresh Washington team. Why are they pissed-off, Steve? Well, they haven't been good. You won't like Ovechkin when he's angry. do you think michael hutchinson woke up this morning a little anxious about ovechkin slap shot oh my god do you not like you must like we don't really think about it on like a human level

but if you're a goalie and you're going up against alexander ovechkin shot on a power play that's got to be that's got to be something you think about all day oh my god oh or if you're an offenseman on that side of the ice no wonder he's always open you want to block that shot no oh you're not gonna block it and you know it's coming up high too that's something Merrick pays a lot of attention to is guys who shoot high and he does and he actually makes it work though Ovechkin makes it work yeah but if you block it it's gonna freaking hit you in the neck that's why he shoots it high the teeth that's gonna be fun I remember uh McElhinney's miracle season where he was just stoning everyone on the second half of a back-to-back

ridiculous but there was that one game where they showed before the game hockey night in canada they got ovechkin and he's got a young caps fan in the crowd in toronto and i was just like this is gonna suck bang bang bang lights him up for a hattie what are your stats what building is this what city is this that's nice ov best hockey and he just slams the thing into the net three times leaves loose. He doesn't give a shit. He lives for nights like this. Dude, that guy's chasing Gretzky's record. You don't think he knows he's playing

a backup tonight? Does he do it? I think he does. Wait, get added? No, break Gretzky's goal scoring record. He'd need I think it's 2.36 to start the season is where he's behind.

2.36? Yeah. And he scored 51 last year? Yeah, something like that. He's got to score more. He's got to score at a higher pace before time catches up with him. Or just play a couple more years. If he can fit in like six years, then he can probably do it, but who knows.

And he's going to decline, but if the decline is slow enough, and like is he going to be that guy who plays for all that time? Like, Yager is still playing. Still. By the way, there was a picture of him. I think Blackburn Pete Backern had it up, and he's got

abs and everything. Yeah, screw you, dude. But he's got, like, old Viking muscles. Yes. Where, like, it's like he's got 90s wrestler bod. Where, like, you see he's kind of chubby, but his fat has abs. Yeah. And he's got the Razor Ramon chest hair.

If Ovechkin had five years, so including this year, where he scored 47.2 goals, he breaks the record. That's a lot of years. That's why he's got to score 60 a year So he can cut that down He's got to score 60 I think he's got to start hitting 60s again And he goes, yeah, okay, I can do that Just start not tonight

Please Please, give me your backups So if I give you a million dollars And you have to place the bet on Yes or no, will Ovechkin break Wayne Gretzky's record Which one are you putting on? Yes or no? I steal your millions of dollars

And move to Alaska I say yes, because I think it matters to him. He's won his cup. I think it matters a whole heck of a lot to Alexander Ovechkin. That's the last thing. Maybe a gold medal, too. All-time NHL goal scorer. And he has been doubted.

Remember, he had a slow start once, and he's like, well, I guess I'm done. It was one of those things where people have doubted him. They've told him he needs to be a student of the game. Just all these things. I would love to see this man retire as one of the best. And by the way, he will retire as one of the best. Sorry. But as like you beat Gretzky out, that's huge.

Minus two years that were taken away from his career because of lockouts. Yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, Gretzky too. Well, Gretzky had the half season. Yeah. The half season. Yeah.

Yeah. The Senators. Sorry. I just wanted to. I can't find it. Never mind. I wanted to look at, yeah, let's move on. I wanted to look at Ovechkin's ridiculous back half from the walkout short in season.

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Are you playing again? I'm not sure because that's the day after the Easter Seals tournament. We're not going to play four games. So? He should do it. I think he should do it. I'm going to try. See, I didn't want to say.

My back might be like, how about you're bedridden? Who cares? But we'll see. Right? Back smack. Back smack. Take an extra nap. Sundeen played with Owen Nolan.

He knows how to play with a guy with a bad back. Hey, Leafs are playing a back-to-back. Why can't you? Back, back, back. Are they? Back, back, back. Oh, I see what you mean. Ottawa's in a rough way, guys.

Are they? This is going from bad to worse. The official attendance, according to an article on Sportsnet.ca from Wayne Scanlon. No one ever talks about attendance unless it's like die here. Unless it's bad. Yeah. No one's ever sold out again. Right.

So let me ask you this. Who led the NHL in attendance last year? Montreal. Okay. Jesse? That's a good guess. It wouldn't be Tampa. Toronto Maple Leafs.

Now you have to remember that it's based on if you're a really good team and stadium size. Right? So the Leafs only sell, I think, only go up to 18.5 or 19. I think it's 19. Well, in their capacity, they always sell like 103%. And I'm like, that doesn't make sense. How many seats are there? The restaurant or whatever.

Can I change my answer? Sure. Boston Bruins. I think TD Garden is big. That's a bad situation, and we'll maybe get to that later. What? Yep. I don't know about that.

It's not good, but we'll talk about Ottawa first. All right, we'll go to Boston next then, because I don't know anything about it. what's the answer it's actually a funny story the answer Chicago Blackhawks because the United Center

holds 22 22.7 yeah wow a lot of people you make a lot of money that way now

so you didn't nobody knows who the top attendance getter in the NHL for some reason in baseball it really matters

they talk about that a lot in baseball in hockey they just don't talk about it baseball is even a big deal the overall number they'll be like oh, we hit 2 million fans this season.

It's a weird thing. It's baseball that matters. When Toronto was really good, they regularly led the league in attendance. And they got right back up there three, four seasons ago. And they hit what? They were used to hit 4 million fans a season.

And then they were hitting 3.5 for a while there, which was really good. You can't take the roof off. Yeah. You know what I mean? It fits what it fits. So the attendance for the St. Louis game, defending Stanley Cup champions.

Yeah. That's a tough one. Let me just give you the number. Sure. The Ben Bishop off. The teams that lost Ben Bishop off. The official attendance for the St. Louis game was 9,204. Which means like 5,000 showed up.

That is, yeah. That's just what was sold. Yeah. That's not who showed up. And that's a key thing. Yeah. That's a really important thing because a lot of people are season ticket holders. Either they don't go, they can't sell it, they can't make it that night.

It's somebody's sick or somebody's birthday. The defending Stanley Cup champions. And you could say, oh, that's, you know what? It's weird. Like, St. Louis is not a major market. It's not Boston. It's not Chicago. It's not, you know, Toronto, whatever.

There's no Leaf fans there to buy up all the tickets, whatever. Whatever you can say what you want. That is the championship team this year. Yep. That's a marquee name. It's not even, it's just a professional hockey game. Yes. You should just be selling more tickets baseline.

In a city that loves hockey. Yeah, Dallas Stars. It should still, yeah. Doesn't matter. It's just professional hockey. Sell more tickets. 9,200 people. Lizzo sold more tickets in Toronto.

Lizzo. She has one song. She's been around for two seconds. Yes. Lizzo, guys. I mean, it's a pretty good... It's a good song. It's a good, yeah.

Good as hell song. Watermeat's good, too. It's not bad. It's not bad. You don't sing that in the shower? Come on, I do. Craig Anderson said, I had worse when I started my career in Chicago.

And he was referring to when things were really bad with Bill Wurtz as the end neared, and then he died in 2007 and the Blackhawks started winning cups in 2010, 2013, 2015. They have sold out,

by the way, the Blackhawks have sold out 500 consecutive games. That's a couple games. Crowds visiting for Tampa Bay. The regular season champs.

Sure. And Minnesota on Thanksgiving Monday were better. But only slightly. Well, people had the day off. Yeah, people had the day off. So how many people

came to the lightning game, guys? 12,000 The lightning game? Yeah I'm gonna go Stamkos, Kucherov like big stars You said 12

I'll say 11 Can I interject that because yes you get to see the stars but also I'm like if I'm a Sens fan I'm like

they're gonna get killed They won Actually I think they won Yeah they won that game But I go into it assuming they're gonna get killed Yeah You know what I mean?

That's a Saturday night game 11,000 people almost on the dot. That's just what sold. Remember that. That's not who showed up. And the matinee versus the Wild on Monday. Guess how many showed up. Big proponent of matinee. Love matinee. I'm going to go another

11. Okay. 10-5. 11-5. Hey! Four home dates. After four home dates, the Senators drew 15,000 for their October 5th home opener against the Rangers. They ranked 30th of

31 teams overall in attendance. With an average gate of 11-7-1-5. And... Who's 31? Islanders? I don't actually know. Oh, Panthers. It's not the Panthers.

Even the traditionally wanting audiences for the Florida Panthers are ahead of Ottawa. The Florida Panthers this year, despite Bobrovsky's terrible start, are averaging 14-5. Oh, good for them. All right. Tickets in Ottawa are also Florida-style cheap. StubHub seats are listed for $12 U.S. in the hours leading up to the St. Louis game. $12 U.S. It's the New York Islanders.

It's about $80 Canadian. Yeah, right? The New York Islanders rank below Ottawa at $11,300 a game. And part of that is, I don't know how much the Coliseum sits anyway. More than that. $15 maybe? That's surprising. Florida?

More than that. Wait, where? The Islanders? No, no, no. The Islanders. Oh, that I don't know. The worst attended team in the league. Yikes.

Which is, I gotta say. Well, if they sold the thing out, they'd be fine. Yeah, but for all the shit about Tavares and how great, what a great hockey market, they consistently don't go. They made the playoffs last year. They won in the division. Where are you, Islanders fans? Or maybe there's something I don't know. Maybe it's because they have two.

Islanders fans are there. They have two arenas. Yeah. They have two arenas that they play in. That's probably it. That's probably it. I don't know. Season ticket sales.

All time low. A source, according to Wayne Scanlon's article, says as low as 3,500 total seats sold. Which, man, if you have some money to spend, get in now. Oh, I would get in. I'd buy a seat license now. Because they're going to be good eventually. A seat license. One day.

That's expensive, but... You'd be sitting on that for half a decade. Buy the license. You could sell the license. To who? How about this? Sell your seats to every Leaf game and make half your money back. make all your money back yeah this is bad guys yeah and it's it's a shame because again a lot

of the blame is going to go towards eugene melnick um and i think rightfully so well there's no reason to be jacked about this team right now man there is a reason to be jacked about the future though for sure the leafs listen when that comes this team is better than the leafs 2015-2016 team There's more to root for 15-16? That's the PA Parental year Oh, yes 100% this team is better

They have Shabbat, they have Shachak They've got good young players Brandstrom, there are players on this team worth watching The Leafs in 2015-2016 Mike Babcock's first year It was like Nazem Kadri Morgan Riley and Guy, Guy, Guy, Guy, Guy

Yeah, Van Riemsdyk for half the season. Phaneuf was still there for a little bit. Yeah, that's what he's traded. Van Riemsdyk was out halfway through the year with a broken foot, and they just held him out. Bozak. Like, that was it. There was no future.

Nylander was in the Marlies. Marner hadn't been drafted. No, Marner was in London, and Matthews hadn't been drafted yet. Greatest team of all time, London Knights. That's right. 2015-16. Nylander was a Marley midseason, I think. Oh, my God.

That is crazy town. That's not good, man. No, and I don't have anything else to add to it other than, wow. That sucks. But, can you blame them? And I don't think I can. No. So what brings them back?

The first overall pick this year, as provided by the San Jose Sharks. Yeah, right? What if... Winning. Winning brings them back. What if, in some other reality, Ottawa had kept all of the guys they traded away? Duchesne and Dezingle. Duchesne, Carlson, Dezingle. Were able to keep.

Were able to keep all these guys. Yeah, they wanted to go. Carson keeps acting like he didn't, though. Right. I wonder about that. I wonder if that's a nice little narrative. I don't know. And maybe he wanted a fresh start after, obviously, the tragedy there.

But even when he was traded last year, he said, no, I wanted to stay. Well, I think that's basically him going, firing a shot across the bow at ownership. You guys really screwed this up. Fair enough. The Hoffman deal is tough. The Hoffman deal is tough. Because if you wanted to sort out that locker room issue, like, okay, you traded one of them,

and then you proceeded to trade another really good player for virtually nothing. And then watched another team get more for him than you did an hour later. Yeah. But that was also because they wouldn't trade within the division. They wouldn't trade within the division.

They wouldn't trade within the conference. I don't know why. Guess who he plays for? The Panthers. Exactly. Who have more fans? Go into their games. by the way

Mike Hoffman nobody wanted him in our in our fan tracks thing I selected him he's the highest scoring

person on my team there you go he's been incredible this year to start even though the Panthers have not what's your Corsi

yeah fucking high man no I'm not doing well I'm really not doing well I've already lost so yeah winning brings them back

I guess the better question and I should have said this is is there any Eugene Melnick you gotta remember when he came in was a hero in Ottawa winning in a freaking building in a place where people want to go

Eugene Melnick was a hero though because he saved them from bankruptcy he was such a hero that he actually got didn't he get a liver transplant from a fan like he put out he was like he needed an organ donor and a fan reached out um I think we're probably missing a few parts sure

but like yes but like member of the community guy people really liked and saved the team now he is considered the villain and i wonder if there's ever a way that eugene melnick could ever be a hero again can they ever re-embrace and and auto fans please reach out i want to know what would it take for you to say you know what let's end the melnick out campaign it's it's got to be a total reversal of behavior right uh well he hasn't given them a ton to hate recently really well dude it's a low bar i know it's a low bar but like it's a step in

the right direction they're going young they're going rebuild right um i'm trying to think of examples where everyone was like screw this owner get rid of them and then that owner did a 180 was able to pull off the 180 other than like the warts family which is different yeah i don't i don't know i don't know i think i don't know this all ends the solution seems pretty logical this ends with whatever scenario brings auto uh the ottawa senators to an arena in ottawa or somewhere that's much easier to get yeah not canada yeah yeah okay um what's going on in boston oh they had uh i think they spent 10 million dollars renovating the seats in the boston garden or in td garden oh i think i saw this and what happened no one freaking fits in the seats

they added seats there's there's no if you're like even my size like you're like the actual chair they made them smaller there's there's no elbow room and in front of you there's no leg room Yeah, the pictures are crazy, Jesse. You would have a terrible time there. Jesse wouldn't fit. No. I got a lot of knees going on here. You seriously, you can cuss the person in front of you.

I find something comical about, or you find something comical about my automobile, but at the arena. That's terrible. So I assume they were just trying to add extra seats into the building, and they squeezed it a little too tight. I'm not sure. I'm not here. I'll try to find a photo and send it to you so you can use it on the screen. It ain't good. It is not good at all

It looks really uncomfortable Really shitty What do you think they'll do about that? I typed in TD and the second thing that comes up Is TD Garden seats What do I think they'll do about that? They have, you found it? Yeah, have TD Garden seats gotten smaller

It's a tight question for fans Yeah, that's funny Yeah, like if you're just sitting there Not manspreading or anything And you just have your arms at your sides You're touching the person next to you and that's like a raucous building they got a great crowd but you know part of being loud and boisterous and enthusiastic is you got to be having a good time are you having a good time

in those seats so i'm looking at the seats right now and there's a guy who's posted six photos together in like a diptych like yeah we're looking at the same thing and his girlfriend and him are not big people no and he can't like he can barely fit by the way somebody in that picture. It's a Torrey Krug jersey. Shout out. Love Torrey Krug. He's on your team, right? He is on my team. Wow. And like, look at the bottom left one where the guy's

leg is just, it's just hanging over the other seat that no one, or that someone happens to not be in. Like, if you're sort of, if you're slightly bigger, dude, you're having a terrible time at that game. So, but how do you fix that now? It's October.

Yeah, that's not something they can fix until this offseason. So you just have shitty seats. Maybe, I was going to say maybe December if they have like two weeks off or something, a road trip. But that doesn't sound like, with the Celtics playing there too, it's not like you shut down the arena. Exactly. Look at this. This guy named Mike Conrad tweeted on October 12th, at TD Garden, at NHL Bruins.

So they say first impressions are everything. I'm okay with the leg room in the balcony. But being 5'11 and 200 pounds, which is essentially, I'm heavier than this guy. I'm like 5'11 and probably 210. the seats are not wide enough and i'm a new season ticket holder gonna have to decide if i renew or not hashtag too fat oh so if you're not comfortable and you can be the biggest bruins fans on earth but if you're gonna hate two and a half hours of your life is it worth it it says nearly all the additional capacity comes from new seating in the arena's eighth and ninth floors the garden says

adding that only 20 seats were added to lodge and balcony areas. Come on. The problem appears to be the seats themselves. The newly designed seats feature cushioning on bottom and back of all seats. Previous seats did not have padding. New armrest design and increased seat back height and the overall ergonomics may contribute to a smaller seat feel for guests. We remain open for feedback and we'll continue to work.

for fans. Their statement is such bullshit. Feel with my eyes? They say, for the first time in nearly 25 years, we've updated the seating inside TD Garden. We've received feedback from fans and can appreciate that. As with any change, it takes some time to get used to. It's

shitty. It's shitty. It takes some time to get used to such major changes. And they fucked up in Boston. Wow. All their fans are going, no, no, no, fuck you. Feedback, get used to it. How about you go fuck yourself and give us better seats? Yeah, not good.

Good luck, Boston fans. Good luck. That sucks. Come on. Yeah. Anybody's going to watch a Celtics game or a concert or a Bruins game, it's going to suck all year. A concert would be brutal.

Well, unless you were standing the whole concert. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's true. But, I mean, it's rare few acts that can actually get you to stand the whole concert. The whole concert, right. Man, craziness. Hey, did you know the Coyotes were on a 10-game losing streak dating back to last season?

Are they? Were. They beat the Jets. And the Jets were outplaying them for most of that game. Nothing was going in, and then the Coyotes ended up winning that. Didn't Kemper have a shutout this season? I don't know. I didn't know this was a thing.

He's looked great. Yeah. They snapped a 10-game losing streak in Winnipeg. Oh, in Winnipeg. Yeah. I'm confused. They've lost 10 games. I don't know what the location has to do with it.

Oh, no, no. I thought you meant 10 straight games to Winnipeg. Maybe it is in Winnipeg. I think it is, because Kemper's definitely gotten a shutout this season. Oh, okay. Well, then screw that. Who cares? It's not even a story.

Now, I've got to ask you something. If you're the Pittsburgh Penguins, are you worried about taking on a real team tonight? Oh, who are they playing? Not the Leafs. No, they're not playing the Leafs. By the way, a lot of Pittsburgh Penguins fans reaching out. And by the way, everybody from Pennsylvania, you can tell, because they're like, ah, you're hilarious.

And they're getting it. Penn's fans outside of Pittsburgh are the ones that don't get it. Because they're the ones going... Because, listen, the Penguins are second in the Metro. Are they? They're not doing that bad. They're 4-2-0. Their division's not great.

But they are taking on the 5-0-0 Avalanche. The Nazem Kadri and the Colorado Avalanche. Tonight, it is a big test. Hurts my heart. Do you believe... Steve Dangle. So you can be in this boat with me. Do you believe that the Pittsburgh Penguins finally beat a real team tonight?

yes you believe it i do one because it's purely despite us oh yeah sure okay 100 percent fair although mckinnon versus crosby that's a fun match that is a fun match the coal harbor bowl i like that the coal bowl that's what i'm calling it um uh i feel like wasn't it edmonton was undefeated and they played the winless blackhawks And the Blackhawks won I think we'll see something Well no, this won't be like that though The Penguins are on a heater

I think it's just going to be a great game Are they on a heater? Or are they just winning games they should win? I mean, you win three straight And there's only six possible games to win Or whatever That's a heater I would say

It's an early season heater You can't even We're at a point where you can't even do your last ten Because they're four and two in their last ten Exactly It's pretty good Yeah But only four wins in their last ten.

Only two losses in their last ten. That's pretty good. You've got to take the good with the bad. Here's a stat for you. They are second in the Metro, so Pittsburgh. I think they win. Tonight, I hope you beat a real team. But also, it'll be really fun when you don't.

Wow! I hope your mentions aren't a complete shitstorm. Oh no, they were wicked fun. I had a blast with it. Were they wicked fun, Adam? Oh yeah, absolutely. Listen, if I can't go head-to-head against the Pittsburgh Penguins, because that's the rivalry we all saw coming,

what can't I do? Or what can't I do? Excuse me. Hey, Sabres, they're the head of the Atlantic Division right now. Suprise. 11 points, 5 wins, 1 overtime loss. Are they for real? We did this last year. 10 straight wins.

Thanks, Buffalo. True. You know what, though? They're getting production out of, I love Hey Who's That Guy scoring once the season begins. And Buffalo has the best Hey Who's That Guy in the league. Who's that guy? I think his first name is Victor. Olofsson?

Victor Olofsson. Hey Who's That Guy? Hey Who's That Guy? Well, in his first 12 career NHL games, so that's this year and last year, he's got seven goals. Wow. All seven of those goals on the power play. He's yet to score an even strength goal In his career

Let's not pay attention to him Yeah, let's ignore him, straight up No, but he's doing amazingly And he just seems like a classic Late bloomer Because he was a 7th round pick in 2014 But if you look at his past couple years He was in the AHL last year

Murdered it Just snipe show, more goals than assists Type of guy If you look at his final season in Sweden Second highest scoring player on that team Former Leaf prospect Karl Grunström. Highest scoring guy on that team, Victor Olofsson. Interesting.

Grunström, or I can't remember. It might have been Grunström. Second highest goal scorer on that Swedish team. Had 17 goals. Olofsson had 27. I think he had 30 in the AHL last year. And I think he's already got six this year on the power play. He's real good.

So they might be for real. Or having a real good start. So they might be for real. Well, maybe. You've got to keep in mind, though, that they're power play goals and they don't count. I'm sorry. I've got to remember. Do you ever get...

Let me ask you something. Petty, yes. Petty? Oh, God. Do you ever get heat for any of this shit? Because I get it all the time. Do you ever get anything? I think they're like, oh, Adam's nice.

Really? Yeah, Adam's nice, so I'm going to pick on him. Is that what it is? Yeah, they bully you. You're all bullies about him a lot. Because I don't get... I don't, I, when you say shit like, if I said that, people would fucking lose their minds. Well, they know I'm being cheeky and also totally mean it.

So it's a weird mixture. It's a weird mixture. Being cheeky and totally mean it. Another one I want to do. I do though. Like, I don't know. You do though. You do mean it.

I mean it. I mean it. Well, the Bruins should have never even made it to the second round. Because special teams don't count. So, you know. The Oilers for real? Do you believe yet? I think confidence is a big thing.

And they're handling their goaltending about as good as they can. But the Oilers are always one injury away from being dog shit. But they're also two of the best players in the world away from like a Stanley Cup run. If McDavid and Drysdale continue to be 1-2 in the league in point scoring, it's going to be a crazy season for them. They're such a weird team because, like, even, like, if you, in a complete fantasy scenario, if you took the Stanley Cup champions, like, if you took the Blues and you gave them a month off and, like, fresh off the Stanley Cup and, you know, you gave the Oilers a month to prepare a playoff series, the Oilers, even last year's Oilers, still give them shit.

Because do you want to take on McDavid and Dreisaitl in a playoff series? I don't care how shitty the rest of the team is. That's a nightmare. Four to seven games of that shit? If you just get decent defense, that top line can outscore you. If they're playing together. And if they're not, then it's just two lines that'll come at you. It's brutal.

And all you need is, like, a couple of your depth guys to heat up. And all of a sudden, oh, shit. What do we do? Yeah, and league average goaltending. And you have a team. And that's what they look like right now. And it looks like they're going to be decent. And they're putting James Neal in a position to succeed.

I don't think they're great. but I do think they're doing well enough in a division that kind of sucks to potentially make it, man. They might just make it. Well, I want to ask you about that, but I'm looking at something. Fox Sports, actually,

they do a really good job of tracking something that's harder to find, and that's ice time. I don't think NHL.com even... Do they offer ice time? Well, apparently it's garbage. Oh, is it? Yeah, I guess it is a little garbage.

Okay. so time on ice per game connor mcdavid currently at 22 5 that's a lot for a forward that's a shitload leon dry settled currently at 22 35 that's a lot the only other players around them that are even close right ryan nugent hopkins 20 minutes and we're talking a lot we complain about Matthews and Tavares only getting 18 minutes. And Nugent Hopkins is playing more than both. Yeah.

More than any Leaf forward. Every other person on their team that's above McDavid and Dreisaitl are either defensemen, which are Kleffbaum and Nurse, or goalies in ice time. Stollers, Koskinen, Calvin. Yeah. Because it tracks that for some stupid reason. Who cares? You know,

they're getting criticized for that. Yeah, like, why would they even put that in there? Come on. They're getting criticized for how much they're playing McDavid and Dreisaitl, and they might burn out throughout the course of the year. But just like we were talking about last episode, and it's not a slight against how they've started the season, it's just a fact, their October is easy.

Compared to most teams around the league, their October is easy, and there's a lot of rest. So if you know they're fresh as a daisy because it's the beginning of the season and you have a lot of rest in October, ride those ponies. Let them go. Let them go. And then in November, December, when things tighten up, or whenever their schedule tightens up, that's when you dial it back, and that's when you've got to challenge your depth guys to be a little bit better. You've got to win a lot of games now and play 500 hockey all the way to the playoffs, and they will be fine.

Could happen. Could happen. We've seen teams, the Leafs, do it. It's saying here, and I could be reading this wrong, that McDavid has already taken 1,998 shifts. In his career. This season. that's a career number. It says 1998, and it's this season.

That doesn't make sense, Adam. I know, right? That doesn't make sense, does it? No. He's probably taking like, I don't know, 30, 40? Yeah, he's taking like 35, 30 a game. Maybe shift means something else. Shifts? It just says shifts. No, no, that's wrong. That's wrong. Well, it says... Seconds

played? Yeah, maybe it's not shift. No, it's shift. Then it's his career. Well, listen. It's not this season. I don't even know if he's played that in his career. It's weird, isn't it? Yeah, that's right. Have you tried hockey reference?

They're really good. Ice time per game. I got to look this up. Can you check that out? What am I looking at? You're looking at, is that hockey reference that I have it? They're really good with the stats. Yeah, I'm going to look this up.

Let me just look this up. I know this isn't great. Steve Stretch for time. Okay. Talk about Easter Seals. I was just about to. It's going on Steve Cam. We're getting Steve Cam.

jesse yes um i believe it was the great mike bon jovi who said oh yeah michael he's very good michael he prefers it's like alexander kirkwood mike bon jovi once said whoa we're halfway there and then the song ended i think this that's how it went you know who else is halfway there Rachel's Raiders. Oh! We passed $25,000 today. Rachel's Raiders, who are? Our hockey team for the Eric Landros Celebrity Hockey Classic.

So we're trying to raise money for Easter Seals Ontario, which is a charity that helps out kids with physical disabilities. We set a lofty goal of $50,000. That's a lot of money. Today someone gave me $2,500. Wow. Charles Huber is their name. No relation to Evan.

But that has allowed us to pass $25,000. Charles Huber, inventor of the pumpernickel. The bread. Yes. Wow. Or it could also be the name of a bike. Yes. Sounds like it.

Penny farthing. So? Yeah. So, but we're only halfway there, and I don't feel like living on a prayer, said Mike Bon Jovi. So if you could continue to donate to the team, that would be wonderful. visit my pinned tweet, Jesse's pinned tweet Adam, have you pinned it yet? I have pinned my tweet I know you have, because

Adam Wild running up the standings $511.69 $511.69 By the way, there was a bunch of there was a Caps fan that reached out and they're like I donated $34 because that's Tom Wilson's number It is?

Is it not Tom Wilson's? No, whatever Tom Wilson's number is Whatever the hell, numbers are confusing They donated that and I thought it was funny But go through our team's page, visit Rachel's Raiders on there. It's not hard to find. There's other people to donate to if you want. People who you may know. There's me, there's Jesse, there's Adam.

There's TJ from the Virgin Radio Morning Show is going to be on that team. Mike Stevens from theleafsnation.com. Is Mike Stevens going to play like Trevor Moore? That's a question. He friggin' better. Get that butt game up, sir. Ken Reed is signed up. Also Harrison Brown.

Is Ken Reed on our team? Yeah, he was being wishy-washy about how many games he's going to play. He's going to get there and play them all. Ken's old. But Henderson Brown is going to come and be our best player easily. Are you old, Ken? At heart. And if you're old at heart, I mean, that's good enough, right?

Hey, by the way, I'm just checking this time on ice. So this is completely different from the Fox one. So according to hockey reference for the 2019 season, The time on ace total Leader is Mike Smith Obviously At 239 minutes The next highest guy

No this is important Yes the next highest guy Is Leon Dreisaitl He's averaging 25 minutes a game According to hockey reference That's such a huge discrepancy Oscar Kleffbaum at 24 Nurse at 24

McDavid at number 5 on the team with 23-10 per game. Can we just say that we don't have the numbers on this? Well, hockey reference should be good, right? They are. But don't you think that's a... You're asking for trouble if you're playing a guy that much. Oh, yeah. I'm looking at the numbers.

It's 26, 23, 25, 21, 26. Is Drysaddle... Anybody who's an Edmonton fan, is Drysaddle really playing 26 minutes a game? I think it could be a penalty kill thing. Still, dude. Still. Those are defenseman numbers.

Yes. And he's got higher than them. Defenseman numbers. Like, Clefbaum and Nurse are less than him. That's a lot. Okay, then what they're doing isn't sustainable, though. Not right now. Dreisaitl did average 22 minutes last season,

which is a little more reasonable, but still crazy high. And, yeah, he's up at 25 this year. That's a lot. Yeah, hockey runs has it at 25. And they're winning games. Well, it's working for them. Good for them. Plus, he's in the prime of his life.

If there's ever a season you can do it. It's when you're 24. Do it now. Yeah. Okay, let's do a press conference, shall we? For today's press conference, we have to go to my Instagram account, which I'm going to fire up. Oh, I guess we need a pen, huh? No, we don't.

Hey, all right. Fun fact. Go here to our lovely friend, David Goggins. Oh, it's our boy. So someone tagged my Instagram account in this David Goggins post. And I'm going to read it to you guys. I'm ready. Because I'd like to know what you think about it.

Are your ears ready? Is this the Rogan thing? Are your ears ready? Yes. I'm ready. It says, you're right, brother. They don't know you. The mindset David Goggins is displaying here is a very foreign concept to most.

Some will second-guess Goggins for leaving the hospital to return to the mountains and finish what he started, and they're right. For most humans, this wouldn't be wise. But Goggins isn't most humans. He's one of a kind and a true savage. I certainly can't speak for David, but I don't believe this type of effort is new to him. It seems this might just be a microcosm of his life in a few days. If you haven't walked in his shoes, it's not really your place to judge his decision. uh yeah it is so he left the hospital yeah it is he was in the i hope he's okay leaving the

hospital because your fucking heart gave out to rejoin a race is fucking stupid is that what happened i don't care who you are dude is that what happened as i eat this is a rogan joe rogan had reposted this from cameron haynes who's apparently a fan of david goggins he says try to understand what a savage david goggins is the man runs the moab 240 it's a 240 mile race goes off course for seven miles by mistake so he has to double back gets back on track at mile 200 he gets pulmonary edema and gets pulled from the race and sent to the hospital they release him and he gets right back out there and finishes the race.

Endema or enema? Edema. Edema. Yeah, because I don't think a pulmonary enema is a thing. No, no, no. Pulmonary edema is a condition caused

by excess fluid in the lungs. It's almost like asthma. This fluid collects in the numerous air sacs in the lungs making it difficult to breathe. And if you are an asthmatic like I am,

you know how that feels and that is scary. So he had that and what else did he have? It was just that? He just had that. He had that. he got that at 200 miles into this 240 mile race he gets that goes to the hospital and then once

they release him he gets back out there and finishes his last 40 miles so here's what's more interesting about that and you know what if that's how he wants to live his life god bless man i i have no i have no issues with that the only thing crazy if you remember the original post the only thing i took umbrage with was him saying i don't wear suntan it's for soft Motherfucker Sunscreen Or whatever Yeah like

Like okay no Like cancer is cancer man Yeah you don't want skin cancer Wear some damn sunscreen Come on Listen You can talk me into finding I'm impressed

You can talk me into finding it impressive The man is extremely impressed Oh yeah You can talk me into Finding it smart Or admirable That's fair I don't admire that

Did you admire Patrice Bergeron Playing with a punctured lung Uh no You didn't? No I don't know if he knew Oh maybe he didn't

He was playing with a punctured lung. No, maybe not. Pulmonary edema, as we said, caused by excess fluid to the lungs. Do you know what causes pulmonary edema? Running 240 miles. Jesse, do you have it up in front of you? What? What causes pulmonary edema?

Because I do. No, no. Can you take a guess? Wild stab in the dark. Non-medical people that we are. Running a lot. Running a lot. The most common cause of pulmonary edema is congestive heart failure.

Jesus. Now, that's not to say he had that, but heart failure happens when the heart can no longer pump blood properly throughout the body. This creates a backup of pressure in the small blood vessels in the lungs, which cause vessels to leak fluid. If that's what happened, damn, dude. But if you're a guy like that and you're built like that, part of me wonders, that's probably how you want to go anyway. Yeah, like a Spartan. Yeah. I want to go out on my shield.

if you are if you are that passionate that driven about something like it was like it's like guys who drive race cars and they die and people around them like that's how they probably would have went on to die actually well yeah people people are it's people are weird about death man i've heard that said about more than one person like it's you know what you know who you hear it about a lot people who sail people who go and like they they sail and they go out into like choppy seas and then they never come back or they find the boat floating around years later and And they're like, well... I guess he didn't make it.

It was his favorite. It's how he would have wanted to go. Out in the ocean. Yeah. And, by the way, there are ghost boats, weirdly, floating around the Atlantic and Pacific right now. And they find them from time to time and nobody's on them. Isn't that nuts? Yeah, it's creepy.

No, I don't like that. Kind of cool. It's a little bit cool. It's a little bit cool. Very Red Dead Redemption. Yeah, very much so. My first thought was, like, can I loot the boat? Triangle, triangle, triangle, triangle.

Yeah, triangle, triangle. It's okay. I murdered a bunch of people, but I said hello to the townsfolk in Valentine, so my honor went up. It's like Corsi versus Goals. It's 16 hellos for every murder. Howdy, partner. Howdy. All right.

That was good. It's usually how it is. Yeah. Hi there. Jesse? Have you ever... This is our only question for today. It's our best question that's ever been asked.

It's from no0987654321. He's a Jesse fan. He is. This person writes, any chance of a dog fan reaction video? Just a fan of dogs reacting to how their dogs are doing? I think we found what Steve needs to do in the summertime. Dogs reacting to how their dogs are doing.

Are you going to do DFR? I think people reacting to cute dogs. You should do a dog fan reaction People send in their dogs Oh, I just go Whoa Dude Yo, you can make so much money

If you just like Send Steve a video Stop it right now Send Steve a video And then he puts it in his video And does this You should do a dog fan reaction People send you dog videos

That they give you permission to use On your YouTube channel And you react to them Dog reaction videos Dude, that's a great idea That's it This person's a genius That's it

You should do this all the time Every day DFR Screw it. Yeah. Dog fan reaction. Sure. Yeah, I'll do it.

I'll do it. Yeah, this is what I choose to do with my life. We just made you a million dollars. Let's scoff at the guy who runs 240 miles. Dog fan reaction. Hey. Literally criticize a guy running a 240 mile race while eating a donut. In transition to that.

Yeah. So? What do you want? Do you want to fight about it? Steve will bench press your dad I will not bench press Joe Rogan though No you won't You will bench press me with his fingers

And then tell me about some ancient alien Top 10 episode of South Park by the way The Randy fighting guys In baseball stands You want to fight about it? I thought this was America And trying to lose in baseball Is just as hard

As trying to win Yeah. Because they don't want to play anymore because baseball sucks. So they keep trying to lose the game but they keep winning because the other teams are trying to lose more

and they're better at losing. Oh my God, they can hit themselves out. We're the best. We're the best. And I never heard of you. Well, that's it for today. This is America.

Yeah, this is America. We'll see you Sunday. Should I tease the event? What other? Oh, do you want to? I could. Or do you want to wait for Sunday? I'll just wait.

I think you should wait. It's too late. Early November. Big event to be announced. Look for it. Downtown Toronto. If you're keeping track, get your clipboard out, because we've got a lot going on. We do have a lot going on.

November 7th, regulars. But, there's something else coming up. Early November, downtown Toronto. You will not want to miss this. Can you recap all the thingies? Crown Royal Facebook post. Link is in our description We will tweet that out as well

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Go to leovegas.net You want to play hockey With Matt Sundin And potentially Steve Dangle Because Steve wants to play Back to back But he's afraid That his back might not hold up

It'll be back to back To back to back to back That's right With my back You can do that At leovegas.net Open to Ontario residents only. I said all that earlier.

We're going to be at Regulars. It's a great bar in downtown Toronto. November 7th. Look it up. Seriously. And here's the great thing. No tickets. Just come.

Just come. We'll be on at 545. We're going to go until 645. And then we're probably going to hang out and have some food. And the game will be on. It'll be great. What day is that? That is a Thursday.

November the 7th. Okay. VGK. There's somebody screaming on the outside of the studio right now You probably heard it Did I miss anything? No Oh, Easter Seals

Oh By the way That's the 14th Yes, I gotta ask a question 14th is the draft party, yeah Did I That's when we gotta raise money back Am I too ambitious in my 69, 69, 69

Probably a little You've raised 500 bucks since the last show Yeah, you're right, that's true That's true Because I finally actually, you know, posted it Jesse's the one who's petered out No, I reached my goal Hey

Yeah, so you can just coast, you're right Yeah, I'm done. I did my work. You can just put your feet up for a month. I can because I got out ahead of him. I don't see anything wrong with what you're saying. Hey, oh, guy who started early and got his job done because he reached his goal is doing bad. Jesse sounds a tad defensive.

Hey, I set a goal and I achieved it. He thinks the producer does protests too much. I finished the 240 miles in one go. I don't have to go back out there and finish the next 40. That's a soft motherfucker attitude. What is this slander? Sorry for achieving my goals early because I'm really great. I started early.

If you're satisfied with where you're at, that's fine. Yeah, because I set a goal. Yeah. That was my satisfaction goal. And that's where we leave you. We will see you Sunday. It's going to be lots of fun. Pittsburgh, good luck.

I'm upset. By the way, to every Pittsburgh fan that reached out and said, Toronto hasn't beaten a real team either. And I said, I say to them, this isn't about Toronto. This is about you guys bragging about your three-game winning streak against teams that aren't going to make the playoffs. Adam hates Pittsburgh. You know what Jesse hates?

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