The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Chris Johnston After Show | February 24, 2023

Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Steve Dangle Podcast, powered by Sports Interaction. Wanna bet? Spank Andy? Woo! S-D-P-P, The Steve Dangle Podcast, with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! Jesse, the first thing I want to do, because I was going through my old photos today, because

Starting point is 00:00:27 Dina Poliesi left BT Who An absolute legend Works with our good friend Sid Sixero over there I worked with Dina for years she's amazing So I went back through and I was looking at old photos And old video and I this popped up And this is

Starting point is 00:00:44 Right before the first Wave of the pandemic Based on Everly's age This is Everly watching Steve At about six or seven months old And reacting he always used to watch you when i would put you on here you go that was a good intro

Starting point is 00:01:04 she's dialed she always liked when the dogs jumped out of the screen because it was both victory puppies at that point so much things have changed thank you was this just a long way of reminding me charlie died thank you yeah another thing here's my adorable daughter and your dog dad thank you i have been meaning to um to to shout casual matt's out for a while casual matt's longtime listener of the show and shows up at our events he was at kingston again it was great to see him again he's a great guy his dad is a cartoonist but has only started in his 70s and so i asked him i'm like because he sent me a cartoon he's like oh my dad does i'm

Starting point is 00:01:50 like do you mind having him draw one up for us oh what so he his dad is uh his dad's actually like illustrating books and stuff like that now but uh uh there it is so that's eddie shack that's what he did for eddie shack clear the track love that one yeah really good and then there is the three of us as well and i just thought that that was worth David Maitley shout out to David look at our fake-ass brick David David did make it look more real than it actually looks in person yeah there's actually there's a couple things well there's a big flaw with this picture what's the big flaw there's a laptop clearly visible not covered in water no that's a mixing board steve oh also david mateley put out six children's

Starting point is 00:02:45 books over the course of the pandemic because he got to work man yeah i mean what else are you gonna do exactly he's a heck of a lot more productive than i was i'll be honest thank you for doing that yeah thanks david so anyway i just want to do a shout out it reminds me of the ones you get like in the park yes you know in like new york they for 20 bucks so you get your pictures you're on yeah yeah yeah that's what it reminds me of now a couple listeners tagged me in this and i wonder if jesse saw it because important news bulletin jesse blake is wrong about what well yeah we had a huge debate on yesterday's show about whether or not uh minnesota uh who has retained salary now on two trades yeah ryan o'reilly being the first one

Starting point is 00:03:30 the other one the dimitri orlov garnett hathaway deal yesterday um whether or not the players involved in those deals that had their salaries retained actually go through minnesota they go through on paper but i said they are a part of the organization and here's why michael russo michael russo the wild had to reassign adam beckman to ottawa or to iowa in order to fit dimitri orlov on their roster for 30 seconds yeah because you have to you have to so no but it went through it so dimitri orloff dimitri orloff was also a part of the minnesota wild organization okay no yeah that's that's how it works on paper all i'm saying is when the three gms get together it's not like um doug armstrong traded ryan o'reilly to minnesota and then bill

Starting point is 00:04:19 garen correct bill garen decided to trade ryan o'reilly to toronto all i'm saying is when us general managers get together and we make a three-way trade it is a trade between the three of us and we have agreed on the terms that it's gonna be these three transactions to go through and then the fucking the people who work under us the capologists and the nerds who do the paperwork yeah you gotta file it so it officially works but there's never an instance where minnesota is controlling ryan o'reilly to be like oh we can trade him to vegas now no it was all worked out between the three gms in the room and then we made the trade call and then the nerds did the paperwork and it looks like oh yeah he went there and he went there but he didn't really go there

Starting point is 00:05:08 joe smith at joe smith nhl former tampa bay athletic reporter now with russo in minnesota uh he says the one that got away ryan o'reilly he joked he enjoyed his whole 30 minutes with the minnesota wild yeah in in person today paper listen on paper listen i have enjoyed that's all i'm saying sidestep have you not oh i i think jesse should consider a few things like coping seething and then i'm in your fucking walls i don't think what i'm saying is that complicated i think what you're saying isn't complicated it's wrong i'm saying they did it on paper but there's no instance where we didn't agree that he's going to toronto you know how much i would give to be a leaf for 30 minutes and this dude was a minnesota wild for 30 minutes i

Starting point is 00:05:55 would on paper yeah of course it's not a trade work they had to go 50 that way or 25 real ass life yeah i'm just saying jesse i think you're gonna have to backtrack i do feel like there's a bit of what do i need to backtrack i think the three gms didn't agree that the ryan riley would end up in toronto here's what's important though what's interesting about the the washington trade is that only dimitri orlov went to minnesota garden hathaway did not well it's kind of like o'reilly uh was double retained and achari was not that's right so achari never a part of the minnesota wild no never hates that place would never i don't know if that's what he said he said that i don't know if that's a direct quote hates it wow and garnett hathaway he said uh fuck

Starting point is 00:06:40 minnesota adam wild tweeted it yeah do you remember the story that alan walsh told about a client he had uh wanting to go to minnesota so that he could fish in the off season and then alan had to tell him hey you probably shouldn't tell these teams that no no and also yeah you guys aren't competing for the playoffs i like yeah i like that because there'll be more time to fish it was oh man he played like 10 games in the nhl no no he was good he was a good player was it peter oh my god he played for the lightning and the rangers in his final seager seager uh something seager he's a czech player right yes they're all czech all about it's spelled cigar um oh zidano zidano cigar cigar seager seager zidano seager that is a wild

Starting point is 00:07:33 fucking story man yeah that is such alan has gem after gem after gem i by the way i'm so glad that so many people are checking out the podcast with eiserman on it it's oh it's uh the the response to that's been spectacular but i gotta tell you like there's stuff in there every freaking week where i'm like wow i just want more people to hear this are you serious i regret to inform you stpn fucking slaps that's right well and i want that cj show so that's what i want to kind of start with um yeah before we get to at least before we get to anything else uh cj started his show yesterday uh or i guess it released last night and it was right before the trade for uh garnett hathaway and dimitri orlov that boston orchestrated with washington

Starting point is 00:08:16 but he starts it off with seven and a half minutes of patrick king yes and you know there was a lot of very interesting tidbits there but what i found to be the most interesting julian asked him about the asking price and the fact that it might teach is like well it might be a second round pick i'm like are you like the rangers jesse has blessed them with jesse luck yeah because they got Tereseko at a good price. And you're telling me the Rangers, who we think Patrick Kane has agreed already to go to, we believe that's the case,

Starting point is 00:08:53 that they're working on the deal right now, are going to be able to get this guy with Kravtsov and less than a second round pick. It's because Kane has put them in the worst situation ever. He's told them, I want to go to one team, so you must negotiate with them. So Kyle Davidson has zero negotiating power. So let me take you back.

Starting point is 00:09:14 10 years to noted didn't have retirement forced on him guy jerome again i don't know about that i know the game kind of went we don't need to how dare you this this was a this was a topic of of heated conversation because i immediately compared the current cane situation to aginla and producer drew stepped in and was like um aginla was not there in 2013 no he wasn't prime aginla maybe but in 2013 and that's you know the thing about drew that i i wish he was more opinionated oh my god i wish that he was more defined in what he thinks i wish he was more antagonistic of everything oilers fans and all of the rest of them also oh my god i'm sorry no no no it's all good man he is he is like what what's his sums into him this week

Starting point is 00:10:12 he's just having fun well i think he's picketed oilers fans because oilers fans and i'm sorry the easiest well like other than leafs fans i mean it's it's a trifecta of leafs oilers probably squeeze canucks in there oh yeah yeah and he does he loves that but i think see here's the thing the leafs not that the pressure is off but the leafs have made a big move in a good move right yeah the oilers keep talking about how they can't we simply cannot oh we'd have to move salary you've seen the vegas golden knights move salary you've seen uh boston bend over backwards and work it out with minnesota it can be done it's just do the oilers want to be creative or pick up the phone and work that hard did you see the latest report that they're

Starting point is 00:10:54 gonna keep poolie rv because they want the depth i mean okay okay i know we're making fun of them they should though yeah no but like the whole thing with bully rv is he's young and not bad and you should keep young not bad players because that's good but but i was told by the people who report on the team that they don't like it can you do the drama again with it yeah sorry so again let people forget was a huge commodity yes he was like people wanted this guy badly and i mean it's important to point out pre-advanced stat like okay you know no it wasn't first of all and second of all fuck you all right how dare you couldn't pull up a j fresh chart back then not a j fresh chart just charts from guys who ended up getting hired because it was 2013 how dare you okay so sorry by

Starting point is 00:11:47 the way that's not a shot of j fresh i know not at all he doesn't work for an nhl team because i don't think he could take the pay cut yeah exactly but um uh we got jerome aginla who was highly sought after and there was a deal do you remember this there was a deal for him to go to boston yes and he backed out of it it was like a second koklichev who never really panned out but i want to say it was a former first or second round pick and i think there was another small piece to that now that's not a lot and it's it's interesting for the cane conversation though because we have two uh examples of an aginla trade for the price of one because he was traded to boston there was a deal in place and it even got reported and aginla at the last minute went well actually i

Starting point is 00:12:35 only want to be traded to pittsburgh so pittsburgh had to give up no salary retention kenny agostino oh wow marley's legend yeah and leafs preseason legend um ben hanowski and a 2020 or sorry a 2013 can you imagine a 2013 first round pick that ended up being 28th overall that they used to select morgan klimchuk another marley's uh legend to give you an idea what was hanowski i'm trying to look it up he was a third round pick of pittsburgh those two firsts and a third and kenny agostino was a fifth round pick from 2010 so three years prior so if you want to look at it it's a third a fifth and a first that's it significant it's significant but it's really not that big of a deal no it's not so but what were the flames

Starting point is 00:13:37 supposed to get in return again only wanted to go to literally one team it was it was bad enough return when it was two i'll go to one of pittsburgh or boston but then it was just no i only want to go to pittsburgh and wear powder blue weird weird you could have even taken an example from uh more recent memory and that's last year with claude geroux claude geroux told philadelphia i will only go to florida and they had to make that deal and they ended up getting quite a bit in that trade that was uh to the philadelphia flyers was owen tippett a third round pick and a conditional first round pick which like isn't too bad when you're when you're like hands are tied behind your back um and you have to only negotiate with one team the panthers also got

Starting point is 00:14:25 some extra assets too rubsov butterman which is i always wanted toronto to get that guy just for the name and uh 2024 fifth yeah and 50 retained as well to help florida with the cap so we've seen this happen and we've seen the team get in both both instances a first round pick but i think it feels like it's even deeper here with kane in that there's no negotiation at all no and if you don't help the rangers get me there like i'm gonna be upset then i'm not going anywhere so almost like a like a demanding toddler and i'm not trying to say that as an insult but it's like he's like taking one of those like metal cups and just clanging it on his cradle train me to new york yeah well according to cj2 the part of the reason that he's not taking picking a team like

Starting point is 00:15:15 vegas is he's not because they would be interested he's not convinced that their defense is good enough so he's being real picky about yeah oh yeah and i think ultimately it sounds like he just wants to go and live in new york and play hockey and you know i don't know if you remember the dick kiprios episodes from like what is it five years ago now when he was here but he said it's the best fucking place to play hockey it seems like a foregone conclusion he'll sign there in the offseason then right well yeah i mean if they trade for him they can retain him too right like they get that off was it on the cj show where cj made the point that um he needs to get surgery as well at some point and the longer this is delayed like the further it pushes into next

Starting point is 00:15:54 season you know so like if he doesn't get traded here there's also the opportunity he just has surgery and calls it quits and comes back next year so let's play a fun game called put words in cj's mouth okay it's my favorite so i listened to the cj show on the way here and he mentioned two things like half an hour apart but my brain immediately went those click together Kane wants to go to New York and the price is not going to be astronomical, but they need a third team. Minnesota.

Starting point is 00:16:23 To take $1.3 million in the salary, I believe it is. Something like that. The, um, Wild only have one retention slot left, but a team CJ brought up and I, I wanted them to make a bigger deal of

Starting point is 00:16:36 this was, uh, the Montreal Canadians. They might have a difficult time selling at this deadline because so many of their, you know, sellable deadline pieces are injured or battling injury, or, you know, just coming back.

Starting point is 00:16:51 Like, you know, we were talking about like a first round pick for Joel Edmondson, but like even if, if you're getting 80%, 85% of Joel Edmondson, or do you all of a sudden get less, but Montreal could be a, a, as they put it, banker team. Kent Hughes, GM there used to be in charge of the Rangers.

Starting point is 00:17:14 so me putting words in cj's mouth using two pieces of perfectly legitimate information that he gave i think patrick kane ends up in new york by way of montreal interesting that is what i think is gonna happen so so you just you just tweeted conjecture about cj i absolutely i uh radioed him consider yourself radioed the only nerds of the only piece of hair on the soup that i would see there is that i don't think kent hughes and chris jury get along i think that's that's the guy who replaced you i think it was pretty sudden that um james dolan was like hey can i all of a sudden don't like you get out and bring in chris jury i think good business gets along you know what i mean uh and montreal is straight up just the middleman they're just the middleman listen

Starting point is 00:18:09 i don't have to like you you don't have to like me we barely even have to be on the phone let's make this transaction and go right back to our comfortable lives hating each other's lives the other thing uh that i uh would like to extrapolate oh my god i got distracted by my phone here it is so it's going to be difficult for chicago to get a first round pick for patrick kane so it's probably going to be a second right if i'm chicago and i'm letting go of patrick kane and he's going to resign there next year. No, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:18:46 Fuck that. I got to get some. So I kind of think it'll be a conditional pick. Is it a second that turns into a first? I don't know. Okay. Is it a potential pick swap or something? I don't know,

Starting point is 00:18:57 but there's going to be some sort of condition in there that if Kane resigns in New York, Chicago gets more. If I'm Chris Drury, I say, no, I have a second round pick. We'll simply sign him this summer.

Starting point is 00:19:11 Yeah, and the Rangers have that. We'll help you this year, though. The Rangers have that extra first-round pick. You know, they have that extra, and I would just sit on it. It's yours. It's fun. Yeah, listen, here's my pitch to Kyle Davidson. I'm with you, Jesse.

Starting point is 00:19:25 So if you're Kyle Davidson, I'd be like, Kyle, listen, we got an extra first this year, and it's yours. Or, no, well, I guess it could be yours. Could be yours. I'm so excited for the trade to happen. We'll keep our second. We'll keep craps off, and we'll give you the first. don't be don't be a fool should kravtsov just like although kravtsov wants out so maybe that's

Starting point is 00:19:46 why yeah do you think he's already had blackhawk ship uh stuff shipped to his house probably or like he's just gonna pick it up once he gets he's gone he's going to chicago he's gone unless it's the third team like montreal yeah kravtsov to the habs as the retainer no way habs of no well Minnesota retained and they got a fourth and they retained and they got a fifth. It's a pretty big jump to Kravtsov for a first. The point is, Davidson's got

Starting point is 00:20:16 to do this deal this year. Otherwise, he's just delaying his own rebuild. Why would you do that? Get rid of Kane. Get something for him. Don't over-ask. Just get the deal done. Something is better than nothing. That's right. So you might as well get something. Hey, whoa! Copyright! You gotta get something.

Starting point is 00:20:32 You gotta give something to get something. Is that what it is? That's what it is. that was so random i don't even remember what it was i know that's one that's one old piece of history where i have no context for it yeah an old piece of podcast history i don't remember where it came from though not at all now before we get to dave in just a second here i want to bring something up uh or just it's just a quick tease after we talk to dave i want to talk about my powers of deduction with the cj show because there was other pieces of information that they talked about that i think we need to dive into this is justin bourne used to do thoughts on

Starting point is 00:21:07 thoughts where he would react to 32 thoughts this is kind of what this is us reacting to cj show it's so great show though listen i know we're promoting our own shit but it's a bloody brilliant show when we were talking about 32 thoughts back in the day we were promoting our own shit with sports that no one gave a shit then i don't think anyone's gonna care it's a great show you want to listen to a great show great no like listen i'm being i'm being genuine here it's freaking great And I want that for you I'm going to talk about that I'm going to tell you what I think

Starting point is 00:21:38 Conspiracy theory next let's talk to Dave You can bet that with David Bastel Brought to you by Sports Interaction Get in the action and make a play 19 plus please play responsibly Okay trade deadline And players and everything It's all happening all at once

Starting point is 00:21:57 One player that sort of Disappeared to the back Josh Morrissey No, actually, Jake McCabe, Dave. Hey! I see what you did there. So, Dave, what do you got up at Sports Interaction on Jake McCabe? Yeah, well, you know what?

Starting point is 00:22:15 Sports Interaction has the Toronto Maple Leafs as the favorites to land McCabe. But here's the situation, because I threw that out there, because obviously it's Leaf-centric. There's a lot of teams on this. But according to Sports Interaction, the Kings are close. The Lightning are close. Vegas is close. Pittsburgh is closed, but Toronto leads it by a smidgen.

Starting point is 00:22:35 Everybody wants a Jake McCabe. I don't know if it's the minus 27 he recorded last year or if it's just because he's a big hitter. So, I mean, I'm just joking. Jake McCabe is a very useful defenseman. Pittsburgh's kind of neat. I don't mind Pittsburgh for that. That's kind of neat.

Starting point is 00:22:53 They need to do something. Yeah. Yes, they do. They're booing their GM. Pittsburgh's kind of neat. Interesting. They're getting pushed around. Pushed around.

Starting point is 00:23:00 You can't have that happen, right? Not Ryan Burks and Ron Hexler's team. So, Dave, just so we can get a lay of the land for the next week. Obviously, there's the game tonight in Minnesota. But in terms of trade deadline picks, what kinds of things, if you log on to Sports Interaction right now, what kinds of things are you going to find for trade deadline? Well, right now, on the site, we have multiple players and destinations.

Starting point is 00:23:22 So it's almost like the same sort of thing we were talking about here with Jake McCabe. We'll have different players. I think we're up to about nine different players, which is pretty significant because usually there's about a top 10. I'm going to try to increase that within the weekend as well, depending on what happens trade-wise and if players get moved throughout the weekend and so forth.

Starting point is 00:23:40 And we'll have destinations on where they're going to go. Your top five, your top six teams. We also have yes, no propositions. So we'll throw out an option of like, say a barbershop. Is he going to trade? Yes or no. You don't have to tell us the team. Just give us an option of yes or no.

Starting point is 00:23:55 Because some of these players, and I'm looking at you, Patrick Kane, you think you're going to be traded but chances are you're not going to be traded so maybe that's a no bet right wow i'm hearing a lot of rumors about kane going nowhere okay all right no we talked about it he can go get his surgery and get prepared for next season it's a thing that could happen and and you know a team true team that wants him now could just sign him next season yeah or in the offseason if you're cal davidson you're probably upset because you're like i wanted something for this guy who was here for 40 years but like lower your price

Starting point is 00:24:29 then yeah get it done that's it I'm just saying there's a lot out there we have a lot of tracking to be done reminder about the O'Reilly thing for tonight's game against the Minnesota Wild Hattrick prop at 101 that's pretty sweet I know you guys are

Starting point is 00:24:45 all over that I put my two bucks down XFL week number two this week who isn't watching this baby that's a thing i'm starting to dislike the rock why he's too much well do you see black adam no it's the way i heard it's the worst movie of all time so i watched in the same week on over christmas i watched the lindsey lohan christmas movie and black adam and the lindsey lohan christmas movie is 100 times better wow the black adam is so it's one of i can't believe they got

Starting point is 00:25:15 it made like who do you i mean you have to be the rock to get a movie that bad made yeah you have to be it said it was a pointless script i've only heard bad things about the movie but i don't mind the xfl thing like i i feel like there was there was some talk that he was trying to merge it with the cfl before the pandemic yeah that would have been a day what do you think i would have been upset i gotta be honest with you i love the cfl the way it is i know it's smaller market and so forth but i don't i don't want to see all this you know uh on fifth down you can do this and No, no, no, just stay on the south, stay on the north. And yeah, that's, hey, USFL starts up too pretty soon.

Starting point is 00:25:53 So, hey, there's another spring league for you guys to bet on. Thanks, Dave. We'll talk to you Monday. Have a good weekend. Okay, so something else CJ mentioned. So this is what I love about some podcasts because what happens is at this time of year, you release a podcast, a trade happens right after.

Starting point is 00:26:09 As we know, as we know, you know, and you have you're left you're left with the remnants and sometimes the remnants are important i'm going to talk specifically about the deal that boston and washington pulled off yesterday with the minnesota wild dimitri orloff former minnesota wild player i i had to say that first off garden hathaway is the most ross boston person they could have picked up you absolutely nailed that where's he from he's from maine exactly is he actually yes oh i didn't even oh man but he did grow up a caps fan i believe yes what they're saying but he's from the area weird weird that you would grow up a caps fan he uh he has a relationship with the owners i believe his

Starting point is 00:26:54 family does oh yeah yeah okay well that makes sense but garden hathaway and dimitri orlov going to boston orlov is playing 22 minutes a night in uh a very depleted because john carlson i don't believe is playing no he's not um depleted capitals line skating he was on the ice on monday skating and and chris pointed out yet none of the washington defense is signed beyond next year or beyond this year except for john carlson yep orlov is obviously a ufa but he's eaten 22 minutes a night even if in boston he goes in and plays 16 that's great probably way better they have a top three of mcavoy lindholm and orlov that's preposterous and maybe connor clifton uh can play there even though he was traded yesterday along with noted alan walsh client

Starting point is 00:27:41 jacob's boral that's right there was a report that was wrong it's it's it's so fascinating to watch the boston bruins because for years in toronto it's like guys it's really hard to get elite defenseman boston in consecutive years lost is a dano char and tory krug and ended up one with hampus lindholm tory krug and now dimitri orlov not that dimitri orlov's elite but he's pretty good well also also it's not a bad top three the conversation is so different um between like the leafs and a lot of teams and then boston what i think we need to get bigger i think we need to get someone who can like move bodies in front of the net the bruins go out there and like we need to get bruins and they go out and they get it's like they're correcting it garnett hathaway is a

Starting point is 00:28:30 bruin and they're just giving them the correct jersey for the first time yeah that's exactly what it feels like it was like when johnny boy chuck got traded it was like even though he was an he was a great islander he was a boston bruin islander that was an okay fit i mean they're the closest fit to the bruins in my mind it felt like a four-year rental like boy chuck boy chuck could only be one of like team player for three teams oh yeah bruins yeah islanders and if he'd ever played for the flyers if the flyers were on brand oh you gotta be mean you gotta be mean if they were on brand no hathaway is perfect and also i pointed out in the video on stpn's youtube channel that uh hathaway um the the bruins have now cornered the market on players with spit related

Starting point is 00:29:16 infractions marshand licked two different people and hathaway spat on eric good branson i think which a lot of people forget about. I think I thought one of the Leafs Twitter accounts I follow, and I think it was Third Period Suits, I think, was saying that him and Marchand can take cheap shots at each other in practice now. Oh, like. Can you imagine?

Starting point is 00:29:37 I, folks, I don't want to be down on my team or yours, but I'm not sure how anyone beats that team. They were going to be hard to beat in the first place. Their bottom six just got so much better. Their defense just got so much better That's tough It is Now here's my conspiracy theory

Starting point is 00:29:58 And then we can talk a little bit more about that trade CJ was talking about Gavrikov A lot of people were talking about Gavrikov And he mentioned the Bruins A lot of people were talking about Gavrikov with the Bruins Now Dimitri Orlov I didn't even check this before the show I should have What?

Starting point is 00:30:17 Dimitri Orlov shoots what? Left No left Gavrikov shoots left And Dimitri Orlov shoots Left But left Stop that

Starting point is 00:30:31 Correct is the word I'm looking for I fucked up that I'm so glad I fucked myself up I didn't even realize it the first time Did you know that? Yeah I know What a knob So Boston

Starting point is 00:30:46 Boston's got bosses got their their left shot defenseman oh yeah and so i'm wondering i'm left wondering who's gonna pay the obnoxious price for gavrikov now i i'm i'm i'm seriously curious about this because the leafs are looking for a defenseman but to me the left side's not where they need it they need a right side guy i just i've i've tried several times uh you know putting different defenseman in the Leafs top six and figuring out who goes and who stays and I haven't really come up with a a trade scenario that makes any sense for them that makes them better like okay you take Gavrikov you put him on the left what do you got Riley Gavrikov Giordano so then what about

Starting point is 00:31:40 Sandin well Steve you put in Sandin instead of Giordano well that's not what the team is going to do why would you do that though giordano's been great yeah now gavrikov i believe can play both sides so do you have two lefties on the right like do you have brody lilligren and gavrikov and then you're gonna throw gavrikov you're gonna spend a first round pick to put a guy in your third yeah i just don't think it makes any sense not for the least at that price like i don't know if it makes sense for many teams in the national hockey league you're almost like a lion you're ramo kekalainen wants a first and a third and that that's his number boston were almost there and they scratched gavrikov and they said for trade related reasons and then boston's like oh

Starting point is 00:32:22 wait we can go get so much more for this price why don't we go do go do that almost the exact same price that the least played for ror and so who in this league is paying a first and a third for gavrikov it's too much it's way too much i think what adam's getting at here is cbj missed their train that's what i think a hundred percent and i think a big factor there not only do they wait too long because gavrikov's he hasn't played a game in like a week and a half the other thing if you're sorry if somebody's willing to give you close to a first for gavrikov you fucking take that what's close to a first second and a third yeah yarmo wants this first and it's ridiculous yeah you need to be able to budge a little what he's learned in his nhl career is if you wait

Starting point is 00:33:03 i mean maybe dubas like with felino just fucked up kakalainen's entire career is the like the one time he gets the sun and the moon right yeah and he assumes it's going to work that way he's a notoriously tough negotiator as well yeah but i'm looking at teams on the fringe now well so this is the thing a new seller hit the market and it it dropped the price it screwed the trade yeah because Washington recognize that there are so Many teams around us who look a lot Better than us and we probably shouldn't be going For anything we have so many UFAs

Starting point is 00:33:37 Let's sell off a couple and go get some Assets they've also lost like five straight games Oh yeah they're not they're not doing good they're not gonna make The playoffs and so Adam like where's the Team who's gonna pay that To Columbus so here's my Question okay so you've got the Islanders are now I'm just gonna start

Starting point is 00:33:53 East Coast okay because we got a great Playoff wildcard happening like Last year it was dead it sucked we got a pretty good playoff wildcard now do we need the wildcard format to do this no we don't it would still be really good fuck the wildcard format but um you get the islanders with 67 points in the first spot and the detroit red wings who have uh 64 points but they've got they've played three less games than the also 64 pointed florida panthers florida panthers blew all their draft capital out the window in the bench rock deal and there's your rude deal

Starting point is 00:34:26 so they can't make a trade but the team it might end up detroit no here's who it's going to be guys yeah it's the guy it's the team that got booed last night in edmonton yep or was it in pittsburgh no it was in pittsburgh it was no they would have been they would not have booed if it was in edmonton they would have said hooray the penguins are have played the same amount of games as detroit 57 and they were a point behind and there is no excuse like you could you don't have to fault the islanders the islanders listen the fact that they're in is great you know losing barzal right after you get horvat that super sucks detroit though are just playing with house money it's great that they're in it's not the end of the world if they don't make it next year's sort

Starting point is 00:35:08 of the year to make it and they're and the eyes are plans doing great ron hextall's got to make a move here he's got to do something because you just went out and you grinded evgeny malkin down You had Crosby call him and say, listen, Gino, don't leave. Come on. Let's go out together. The Bruins are doing it. Let's do it too. Only it's gone very different with this black and gold team.

Starting point is 00:35:29 And I'm wondering how long can Burke and Hextall hold out under the pressure? How was Hextall fired from the Flyers? The Flyers said, Ron, you got to do this. And Ron said, no, I don't. So we're sitting here going, Ron, you got to do this. the difference though is that that was over carter hart and and carter hart's development this time it's the end of sydney crosby and evgeny malkin and chris letang's career they may never be better than they are right now or as good as they are right now that's generally

Starting point is 00:36:03 how time works so what do you do you just sign these guys to four-year deals you got them till they're 40 but then oh man so this is the thing i'm like okay well you can't go blow all your draft capital to go for it this year because the team doesn't really deserve it i don't think you need to blow all your draft capital for him anymore for who for gabricoff we're talking about gabricoff oh you're talking about gabricoff yeah do we think the price is gonna drop i think that that's what i think i think it's gabricoff to pittsburgh if i do interesting they have their first second and third uh new jersey's third actually they could send that second round pick they've got the capital to do it um and yarmo's yarmo's got to understand that here's the thing

Starting point is 00:36:50 on the other side and here's another team that's now selling the nashville predators and they have strong defense i think i think the i i kind of get the impression the preds are dirty liars well okay now this this has to do with the leafs because again everything comes back to the At least CJ also mentioned at home. Would Matias at home be available for the Leafs? What was the cost? A lot of a lot. It was two firsts.

Starting point is 00:37:15 Give it. Give it. Give it for me. No, you don't give up your 2024 because they've already given up their 2023. You have to give up your 2024 and 25 first. So the Leafs would not be picking in the first round. So could you just give up a prospect? Nick Robertson.

Starting point is 00:37:34 i don't know is nick robertson i mean nick robertson's name has not come up they don't want to give away any of their prospects they love their guys yes no but like this they should they should i always make fun of the leafs for loving their guys they should love these guys they're good guys that's oh a draft pick we don't know what that is you go and have fun that's what a draft pick is by the way you go and have fun the leafs did not give the carolina hurricane Seth Jarvis they gave them a pick Which the Hurricanes could have wiped their Ass with they intelligently selected

Starting point is 00:38:07 But instead they intelligently selected Seth Jarvis Um remember when the Bruins Had three straight first round picks Those weren't all theirs Only one of them was yeah and the Next three picks after those three First three picks were way better than the ones

Starting point is 00:38:23 That they made legendary although Jake DeBrusque has been good I know but Seneshan and Zboral have not been that i like your idea on pittsburgh i think it's going for something the matias echoing thing never doesn't really make sense to me because his contract's so long for so long for so much money 50 retained it's 6.2 and he's 32 years old in four more years but pittsburgh going out and buying like they could always use help on their back end because they pay so much for the stars up top and and so they can always use the buzz flip it the other team the other team i put out

Starting point is 00:38:55 there the other team i want to put out there is it's in the western conference and it's another team on the outside looking in and it's a player that plays this type of coaches hockey gabrikov to the calgary flames now like now they have strong defense yeah but but daryl sutter has a particular type of player you could be very good at hockey but if you're not a daryl sutter guy you're just not i think daryl sutter has a particular type of player um and that particular type of player doesn't wear a flames uniform because i don't think you should be coaching the flames anymore i look at the flames like i i know there has been discussion and uh there was actually an interesting uh discussion with cj and julian about um brock besser potentially going

Starting point is 00:39:45 there um or going somewhere um that's a good team it's a good team that's underperforming it's a good team that's underperforming i i don't think they need to make a huge ad and like they discussed on that show the flames have not earned a big ad no the flames need to take away from their team and fire their head coach yeah man neither which is going to happen so it's murray edwards guy i'm telling you not getting fired are we going to the west because there's a team i have questions about what's the question yeah do the minnesota wild know they're in a playoff spot yeah but they're doing the smart thing they're doing the smart thing they got 14 million dollar cap penalties this season next season and i think 12 million

Starting point is 00:40:28 the year after this is kind of the conversation i was having with someone this morning like what is the morale like with um the minnesota wild right now uh i mean what do you mean well like like what's the what's the problem because the team's not investing in you they're investing in the future remember like kiprio's told the story and yes this was like in the early 90s but it's i think still relevant to human nature the i think it was hartford it was a team he was on it doesn't matter what team it was traded a player for a draft pick or a prospect i can't remember but it was a future right and was it the smart thing for the team in the long run probably but the room was like cool great well that doesn't really freaking do anything for us now

Starting point is 00:41:22 that draft pick is 15 years old right now or whatever if you're a player on minnesota right now and you don't have a contract that goes three four years from now and the wild are making all these moves for the future that i think are clever what does the team feel about that get into the playoffs make some noise and if you're a player whose contract is lower and you're not a part of the future because you're not your name isn't dumba spurge and caprizov whoever fiala i think like whoever else they're paying actual money to um then fiala's on uh elena sorry if you had yeah exactly there you go right yeah so so because they couldn't afford them go go take advantage of the opportunity with a team that's still pretty good is going to make the playoffs where all the

Starting point is 00:42:10 eyeballs are going to be on you and then this summer sign a gigantic deal i think it's an audition you have like a really good point with a guy like mark andre flurry in particular because he's in the exact situation where that would be disheartening so matt dumba is a ufa and his name has come up like it's not a big name out there but it's like a little whispery name where he could move bigger because ufa they can just get rid of him because minnesota's looking to the future but a guy like mark andre flurry who has maybe two years left in his entire career is like no i need i want to win but he signed that this summer knowing that did he know that but they be in a playoff spot and then they're also gonna sell i mean i i don't i think mark

Starting point is 00:42:54 Andre Fleury was well aware had to be well aware that that Minnesota was going to have to do have a wonky couple of years but I think I think I think the team when you get to this point in the season and they say look what we've done when you've been since last offseason you've been trying to sell off everything but look what we've done with the tools you gave us and the players in the locker room that we have we're in a playoff spot can we not get like a little bit of hey stan pat for a little maybe not just sell off everything because bill garren's ice fucking cold man yeah and that's unfortunate for the guys bill garren cut bait with the two most prominent players and and caused the team to have 15 million 15 million and 12 million or

Starting point is 00:43:36 whatever the number is 14.5 huge numbers numbers we've never seen he went to ownership and said hey you know that deal that you approved that you signed that you were so jacked about the Now you're going to have to pay almost $40 million in cap to get out of in the next three years. Yeah, it's 12.7 this year, 14.7, 14.7, then back down to 1.6. You don't get to do that without convincing ownership that this is the way it's going to be. And if you're a player and you're in the NHL and you don't like it, well, who cares? It's Bill Guerin, man. He doesn't care. that's why i kind of see minnesota as a team that could pull off like kind of a hockey deal

Starting point is 00:44:17 yeah because i can see that they shouldn't be selling like pure selling they're in not just a playoff spot they're in one of the top three slots in the central not even a wild card and it's a tight race like they could still miss the playoffs but like okay so holding on to dumba and getting nothing for him can't do that it doesn't really make sense trading him for a draft pick i don't really think that makes sense either so do you look to a team like i don't really think nashville is going to do you any favors as a divisional rival but do you look to like purely spitball in here they don't even play the same position do you go to chicago and go how much for sam lafferty you're you're talking about cheap deal x player who is younger and or cheaper

Starting point is 00:45:06 under control and under control yeah they they need a cheaper player who's under control because it just punting is i don't think it makes sense they're a good team you just can't act but they're rebuilding but i don't know if you know if they that was the plan was to rebuild i think they're just they knew they'd be good i just think they knew that they would have to be good on a budget there are three points out of first in the freaking central so so they don't need to add dallas dallas and it's a shit conference anyway what do you need to add for you don't need to get better well it'd be who you are it's a division like ready for the taking yeah and they could do it and they're go and do it i mean try it fellas i suppose they still might but like dallas is in

Starting point is 00:45:46 on patrick kane yeah the jets are probably cooking something up they've been a really good team this year seattle has dropped down to a wild card spot and that's not um but they have more points than minnesota does it's because they're in the pacific which is stronger colorado is hot And then you get down to Calgary which is slowly Approaching butt In 90% of cases The team you just laid out there

Starting point is 00:46:13 A team that's three points out of the division lead We're going to trade deadline They're buying! They're arming themselves to the team Are they in on Patrick Kane? Like are they going to sell everything to Ivakov? But Bill Guerin sitting there is like no I'm kind of rebuilding Here's a fun one

Starting point is 00:46:27 Are the Leafs Resigning Justin Holl do we think do we think it's going to happen what is this no no do we think the leafs are resigning justin hall yes or no uh based on cam chiron's article absolutely fuck well he doesn't work there anymore though yeah but it's probably because he wanted to make more money hey are the least working for an hl team is like the least profitable venture you can do are the least going to be able to afford justin hall next year i don't think so i don't know not at two million bucks it might be hard maybe that's a luxury i don't know if you can't afford if he comes back

Starting point is 00:47:01 for less if he signs the geo deal come on jesse fuck it i'm coming back come on jesse where is he from chicago minnesota oh minnesota he was drafted by chicago he's from minnesota oh he's perfect for them what if you get minnesota to retain on dumba and you send them hall dumba to the leafs yeah and even though hall's ufa he's cheaper he i assume would be willing to resign there is there something that could happen there the Leafs are looking to upgrade the wild aren't looking to punt but they are clearly future planning right is there something there I use the Leafs because Hall and the Minnesota connection and everything but you could use any team there I really like the Leafs getting Matt Dumba I think you might have stumbled

Starting point is 00:47:54 upon something i i literally like put zero thought into it thought about it live on the show and shat it out of my mouth you know i think i think you literally stumbled on something it sounds like a something that'd be very decent i don't have a source no one whispered anything to be clear you say trade i say trade okay i i just see something that could potentially make sense yeah now just you know another thing though that they talked about on the cj show they need like a body mover That's not what Dumba is Yeah But he is an upgrade

Starting point is 00:48:26 Dumba is the upgrade And then you can go out and maybe do a Shen deal Which is incredibly cheap Or they have so many defensemen Or you just commit to what you are Yeah upgrade the position That Dumba is going to fill in that slot And then you have six other guys

Starting point is 00:48:43 That can switch and move in Brody, Lilligren, Dumba Get better Connor Timmons Brody, Lilligren Brody Lilligren Dumba Has no problem Moving the puck Riley Brody

Starting point is 00:48:57 Giordano Dumba Screw it And Sandin Lilligren That's fine That puck is going And you know The other team might Have a decent time in front of your net

Starting point is 00:49:13 If they can get there And Matthews plays right wing O'Reilly's first line center riley on the left wing matthews okay riley on the left wing morgan morgan o'reilly riley to o'reilly on the top line and then joey anderson top line right wing on d matthews marner call a d pair we've been looking for this whole time call up kyle clifford call up kyle clifford yeah yeah Bring him to the lineup I thought you were literally telling me to call Kyle Clifford

Starting point is 00:49:53 And I'm like I've never spoken to him in my entire life I don't have his contact information I don't know why you're asking me to do that Get him this message I'm asking you to perform a transaction In your fictional world where you're building the leaves I don't know him I don't know him

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Starting point is 00:50:47 You're like, Ryan O'Reilly is going to be a Leaf. And we're like, Jesse, what do you know? You did sort of nail that. I wish I bet on it. I don't like that stuff. You can. I don't like that at all. That is a weird thing.

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Starting point is 00:51:28 then he was a great quote a lot of people have not checked that out you should uh craig berube a better quote than you'd expect when ryan o'reilly got traded last uh last friday they asked craig berube about it and he said obviously it wasn't a fun night you never that's a pretty solid quote right i want you to have a listen to what he said about the st louis blues his team that he coaches after the game last night our best players don't play with any passion no emotion and no no inspiration at all they don't play inspired hockey you cannot play in this league without emotion grit than being inspired um they're getting paid lots of money and they're not showing they're not doing the job end of story that's it that's what it boils down now hold that

Starting point is 00:52:09 for a second now the blues were up to nothing going into the third period jt miller scored at 908 and andre kuzmako signed tied it up with 30 30 seconds to go and then pedersen scored with 15 seconds to go in ot jesse can you play that again that is as good oh my god and it's like i read that's better than a torch quote oh my god well everything's better than a torch I read a snippet of that online The video is A thousand times worth It's volcanic

Starting point is 00:52:44 Players don't play with any passion No emotion and no inspiration at all They don't play inspired hockey You cannot play in this league Without emotion, grit, being inspired They're getting paid lots of money And they're not doing the job End of story

Starting point is 00:53:03 That's it That's what it boils down to dude so who's he talking about well who's left well so brayden shen makes the most out of any forward uh followed by pavel buchnevich but uh well pavel buchnevich and brandon sod but then kairu and robert thomas's extensions kick in next year and they're the future and on defense you have Justin Falk and Torrey Krug signed to $6.5 million each until

Starting point is 00:53:37 2027. And Colton Pareko also signed to $6.5 goes beyond that. And obviously Jordan Bennington makes $6 million. And the most important part of the team is Nathan Walker. That's right. Noted Alan

Starting point is 00:53:53 Walsh. That's right. You know, the Blues haven't been the same since they lost David Perron. It's a good point. Good point. It's the only point. It's the point. You lose Alan Walsh clients, you fucking lose everything else. But I thought it was worth saying that,

Starting point is 00:54:09 considering that the St. Louis Blues are apparently still in on Timo Meier and are looking to do a quick rebuild. Well, it makes sense. I could see why, because there would be people that would be like, okay, listen, Craig, you're not going to make the playoffs. Why are you harping on them? I think that the Blues are like, listen, we're getting the most out of these players this season

Starting point is 00:54:28 because we're turning this around and making the playoffs next year. This is ridiculous. We shouldn't be here. I think that's what they're doing. Quick retool, turn around, be top of the division next year. Because they know, Doug Armstrong especially knows, or is it Bill? Doug. It's Doug.

Starting point is 00:54:43 Doug Armstrong knows that the Western Conference is for the taking next year. It's weak right now. It's getting better. For the taking right now. Yeah. Yes. But you can imagine that the improvement next year, while it will be probably improved, won't be that much. You have a huge opportunity if you're the Blues.

Starting point is 00:54:59 I don't want to be the arrogant Easterner here, but if you're in the West and you're not in a playoff spot right now, you're a deep shit. Or you're doing a quick retool. Or you're doing a quick retool. Wow. And that has to be pointed at Cairo and Thomas. And who's their defenseman again? You met Twerkbrook and Falk. And the man in net.

Starting point is 00:55:22 Bennington, who does play with passion. But is it good? does not direct it well, and has already come under fire from the coach for legitimate reason. Like, I talk about Bunting not being able to control his temper. Banner had a good game last night, by the way.

Starting point is 00:55:37 38 save. Okay, fine. Yeah, what's the save percentage on the year? That's a good question. Let me find out. That's the thing, right? Well, so I'm willing to bet he's not talking. Not great.

Starting point is 00:55:47 Wow. Wow. So remember we were talking about how Ukapeka Lukanen wasn't doing well? Did he not have exactly an 894? Yeah, almost that. Or 897, I think. Yeah, whatever.

Starting point is 00:56:00 Like, that's brutal. But he was good in that game, so who's Berube going at? So I think there's something coaches do where – because these guys are – they're so hot under the collar when they lose. And then they got to have microphones shoved in their face right after. And I think what happens is they're mad about a thousand things. and what it often uh gets converted into is aggression at the media oh the media is a piece and that's why you see like Sutter being kind of a prick and Tortorella being kind of a prick

Starting point is 00:56:34 uh Berube uh kind of dropped the veil he he didn't like throw the filter on he was like our best guy that is as scathing a quote as I've ever heard an NHL coach say about his own players you know what i mean our highest paid players they make a lot of money that is you're really gonna get people's attention you bring up money oh you're gonna get the pa's attention not a guy in that room is happy about that quote not a single one of them even the biggest barubi believers are like you know what man you helped us win a cup in 2019 but fuck you for that one oh that's that quote i fear is gonna have a ripple effect for the st louis blues or maybe they go on a tear or yeah maybe it works i mean the last quote i remember of berube's was

Starting point is 00:57:25 he complained about the officiating in the stanley cup final and then uh basically every call went their way for the remaining five games how do we get that how does sheldon keep learn that skill is that a is that a like a pokemon skill that you can like give them a a stone and then they learn it i'm sure somewhere between him yelling at the refs less and west mccauley retiring okay fair enough um the other thing i want to get to before we get to a couple things before the press conference did you see the farce that was over time between the tampa bay lightning and the buffalo sabers last night i saw the non-call the labushkin and then labushkin pulling down stamp coast with his stick in front of the ref and then taking the puck and scoring on an over

Starting point is 00:58:08 scored on a breakaway steve i need to see this again yeah he scored on andre vasilevsky on a breakaway if you think that we're only complaining about the refs because we're leaf fans man if i was tampa i'd be so fucking mad this morning holy shit this is a this is one of the worst plays i've ever seen how do the refs not catch it i gotta see i gotta rewind it rewind it because i was so caught up in the fact that it's labushkin here we go did you see it yeah i see it oh he pulled him down in him and then him yank him he enters him okay

Starting point is 00:58:43 all right with the stick let's here can you play it again yank him down I think Stamkos loses an edge guys no you can't don't be one of those oh I think it can be both I think it can definitely be both

Starting point is 00:59:00 I think it can be a hook and also not the reason Stamkos fell that that means or not according to adam's face penalty and then but you and then you need you need vasilevsky to stop labushkin like he's an hl player that's a good shot on breakaway no dude remember like once every six or seven games with the leafs labushkin was like he would just fly up on the rush he had a great setup i can't remember who ended up scoring the goal oh look how pissed those fans are too i'd be so mad yeah it's not that he gets sabers like

Starting point is 00:59:36 good for them they're doing great but like holy how if you're if you're watching this oh there's jj peterka and you know alan wall's client the reason they won here's what bothers me steve here's what bothers me what is that you've just let the refs off the hook literally you gave the refs the benefit of the doubt there stop doing that no let me see it again let me see it again because we're gonna get a good angle the broadcast angle isn't good because his stick is hidden from us come on come on steve i think he kind of yanks him down there steve i don't know let me see steve he skates fine until the bush can get his stick under his arm yeah i don't see okay please go watch this replay his stick made contact with him in the midsection

Starting point is 01:00:20 That's the definition They don't always call it What a joke Oh should it be I mean yeah And Stamkos is fine but all of a sudden he just loses his edge When LaBushkin puts his stick in him Yeah I don't think so

Starting point is 01:00:34 Look come on I think I gotta see the other angle man Steve's right in that it's a combination of things But it's just that you can't put Your stick there that's a penalty Yeah but how often do they call it All the time

Starting point is 01:00:51 I think this is a very good percentage though It's a farce the reason they didn't call it Was because it was overtime Oh I agree with that And that's fucking bullshit It is fucking bullshit the same reason they didn't call the bunting penalty on Yost Because Elise had a power play Okay Jesse's got the other angle

Starting point is 01:01:08 So this one the overtop angle They're making the argument that Stamko's lost It's stick on stick It's more of a stick lift from Labushkin. That's so grainy. He lost an edge. I'm sorry. No, dude, it looks

Starting point is 01:01:25 horrible from the broadcast side. It does. He lost an edge. It's unfortunate, and whoever that was on the other side of Stamkos maybe should have gone on the horn a little faster instead of complaining. Look at him. Throws up the hand. Hey, standing stock still. Move your fucking ass.

Starting point is 01:01:42 There's a breakaway. What are you doing? What are you doing? Move It's Labushkin you got a chance of catching him Um I just want to say Chris just tweeted this like a second ago Uh oh

Starting point is 01:01:56 No Can I do the other angle I guess it doesn't matter Yeah it's not breaking Here you go It's breaking to us So the argument is that It's stick on stick

Starting point is 01:02:13 And Stamkos loses an edge because he's turning around he loses an edge because the way he falls it's stick on stick it's still it's still a hook no no you can do a stick lift and then Stamkos lose an edge because the puck is behind him yeah the way Stamkos falls if Labushkin hooked him on his right side it would have made some sense because of the way Stamkos falls but he's on his left Stamkos would have got pulled back and that's just not what happened i i think they got it right i'm not gonna lie and like i don't give a shit about either team like it's you know i 100 disagree in that you have to if a guy's stick makes contact with the guy's body that's a hooking penalty i don't understand how you're

Starting point is 01:02:58 bending the rules like that i'm not bending the rule no the officials bend the rules by calling it whenever the fuck they want but like that i've seen that called you're okay you and i have seen the exact same things and I think we have the same opinion it's just you've seen that happen and get called a thousand times I have seen that happen and not get called a thousand times

Starting point is 01:03:22 and both of us have seen it two thousand times does that make sense which one is the correct way to do it probably your way that's my whole point but it's it's it's 50 50 enough that

Starting point is 01:03:38 like I get it Adam wants to move on. Do you want to hear what Chris has to say? No. About Patrick Kane. No. No, okay, fine. No, I'm kidding.

Starting point is 01:03:50 Patrick Kane. CJ says, we're still a week away from the NHL trade deadline, but word is Patrick Kane's situation will come to a head well before then. Expect a resolution in the next 24 hours. Oh, my God. Probably as soon as you post this. End the episode. Upload this right now.

Starting point is 01:04:04 Dude, did we spend all this time talking about Eli Lepushkin? Although. You upload it right now. CJ says, Kane has not waived his no movement clause. as of right now okay but with it okay when did he tweet this uh six minutes 24 hours we have until one o'clock tomorrow all right get this up now all right a couple more things to do uh just a couple of people weighing in on the on the dms here jonathan says hey adam big fan of the sdpn uh want to say that in france's top soccer league you guys were talking we were talking yesterday

Starting point is 01:04:35 about that formula 2 driver who was hired because he was really good at video games he's really good at playing and it turned out he was a really good driver too france in france's top soccer league there is a manager who does not have his pro license but he is the manager anyway because i guess over there you have to have a pro license the team has to pay a fine every game he got his start being a soccer coach from football manager which is a video game what several people tweeted that at me it's ted lasso yeah you have to have a license to work as a coach well you're in europe like in england you have to have a license to have a television so what what is the license to be a gm to be a to be a head coach you have to have a sporting

Starting point is 01:05:14 license and it's a way to keep people what kind of mafia it's a way to be it's a way to be like now rich people can do this but you can't like are we talking are we talking at the pro level or like coach francis top soccer league as in psg would be in this league so why did why don't they to send him to the women's training his name is will still he's the youngest boss he cut his teeth playing football manager he plays or he is the coach of reams uh which is league one what a racket no what's his position at the club he is the manager the head coach yes you need a license and why does it why don't they just get him this license uh uh well i don't i think because it's a pretty significant process it takes a while

Starting point is 01:06:01 is he unqualified is it like f1 where you like me to do you need a uefa pro license do you think that uefa is like you know what you know about fifa do you think uefa is any different you have to pay here's what it is we give you a piece of paper you pay us money now you can so why wouldn't they do that instead of paying well i think they're working on that but right now they have to pay uh what amounts to 25 000 pounds for every match 25 000 and he is studying up for his uefa pro license but they're like we don't care we want him in now listen he grew up in belgium he's from england five thousand dollars in hockey basketball baseball american football they all have their problems soccer is so wildly corrupt that everything i hear about it yeah is like

Starting point is 01:06:48 every scandal would be like a top five scandal in the ever and this is not a scandal i think this is cool uh this is great well yeah i guess and by the way scandal but he's been on it's fuckery as of the printing of this article which was the 11th of january this year they've been on a crazy or they were on a crazy run at the time so he lost his first match to monaco three nothing and then uh try tied the first one tied the second one versus psg uh tied the third one won the next one another tie another win another tie another win like it's like he was like he lost one game in his next 10 this guy's no joke and this is not psg is the big club right reams is smaller club not big money this is ted lasso this is legitimately is that a crazy story yeah

Starting point is 01:07:39 how much franchise mode do i have to play to get hired you know what man i am i on my way i i i guess like honestly steve always says this and i think it's if you think that it's that hard to work at a pro sports organization nope it you know what it's hard but it can be done and it's easier than you think listen i don't think you can get out of bed and go and do it today but if you work toward it you can do it absolutely there's nothing about the people that are running the organizations now that makes them smarter than you they just might have more knowledge or more of a resume there's no adult no there are no adults it's actually it's interesting i was listening to a podcast on of course uh medieval some medieval people the other day okay and they

Starting point is 01:08:25 said what they were talking about war in medieval times and they're talking about um uh how you supply an army of 10 000 people and how many carts of whatever you have to bring along with you so what the best armies were the ones that were great at logistics and they were talking about all these creative ways that you know guys who were illiterate were still able to supply armies of ten thousand these guys couldn't read but they had people who were monks that could figure out a math equation and that sort of thing and what the historian on the podcast said is you have to remember that people back then weren't any less intelligent weren't any less capable they just didn't have the basis of knowledge that we have so they would be as smart as anybody today as

Starting point is 01:09:11 capable of learning as capable of learning and he said so what's interesting is we seem to think that the only way of learning is the way that we do it and he said there's no question the way that we do it is way far superior to way the way they did but they figured it out or they figured certain things out you make do you make do so i just i thought that was fascinating so you're you're not any yeah you are you can do this whatever it is you want to do you can do it if i become gm of the Florida Panthers, can I still do the show? Sure. I insist upon it.

Starting point is 01:09:41 You have to sign exclusively Alan Walsh clients. Someone told me to do that for a stream. An all-Alan Walsh team. You should do that. All-Alan franchise? Yeah. What should we call them? What would

Starting point is 01:09:58 Walsh? The Springsteens. The Springfield Springsteens. their goal horn is that thing from tmz i'm a lawyer i love that idea there you go please take this video send it to alan uh from mike hey guys or hey i'm listening to the pod today um he's like he's like man you made you really touched a nerve with wanting to play gm mode connected with steve and jesse because it's not in nhl 23 but it was in nhl 14. it's a much requested fan favorite that has just not come back so for all the content people you could install an nhl 14 gm connected was the best people loved it they have not brought it back it

Starting point is 01:10:41 was it was super buggy what was yeah from what i remember it wasn't like it did they didn't hammer it out but they didn't stick with it rather so they they tried it out and then they didn't keep going with it and nhl 15 was a mess it was like multi-console that was the one where it's like half a game was on the was on ps4 yeah and the full game was on ps3 i just i think the guys who work on the game take an undue amount of heat and i think it's just they don't get the support they need the financial support they don't get the support and the nhl needs to demand that right like the nhl needs to be down their neck about it ea ea not the guys that are working on the game they need more people on that it's just listen i'm gonna get nhl every year like if anyone

Starting point is 01:11:28 from that franchise is listening i'm gonna get it every year i love the games grow up in the game still love the games even with all their faults the game is too difficult to play and i'm not talking about oh i always lose i'm talking about the game crashes and the lag and the glitches and the timeouts and like oh my fucking i just you know how difficult it is to log on with with five other guys play a team of six guys and just get through a game no issues whatsoever that system as well doesn't even make sense unless you understand how shl like works like adam as somebody who doesn't play nhl if i told you hey go log on and play with six friends to compete against the other it's so complicated like the menu and the system to get through to the online

Starting point is 01:12:23 for uh part and you all got to create your own players at that point it's so they've they've over complicated the game i see here's the thing what i get with nhl um and this is a guy that also grew up i had nhl like i had i had a game called power play 98 on my computer that it played with a joystick and i had nhl 2000 and nhl 99 with lindross where he was big big i can player and i can still remember nhl 96 for super nintendo with konstantinov laying a hit on the cartridge yes yeah i remember um i remember you know nhl 2000 i think it was 2004 2005 that was the lockout year that instead of hockey that was where i got my hockey and i played the shit out of that and i remember this i remember the like you know avenge sevenfold was on the freaking

Starting point is 01:13:09 soundtrack like that was one of the best soundtrack games but i'm bored i'm bored when i play it i'm bored i get bored yeah i just get bored because if because because like first off i don't get to play online with you guys as much because i have to go to bed so we're as much or ever like once or twice a year when we have played the three of us together at your house like when we did that playoffs here oh my god five years ago five years ago that was a long time we were we were high as a kite and we we played right to the stanley cup finals and won it in game seven we weren't high no i think we were drunk i don't know what we were anymore but it was fun i still remember i think jesse scored the game seven ot winner and he immediately got up and ran and i

Starting point is 01:13:54 got up and chased him and you chased the both of us uh and we were all grown men what happened why is it hard though to why is it hard what is it just there's a lot of complicated process yeah like the the entire the entirety of building like a world so that you can play with a bunch of friends i think over complicates things like there needs to be a simple hey you load up the game and you can do this like that's that's how just for the people who aren't the hardcore like a quick play yeah it's just some sort of some sort of way it was like okay you're dangle navy team like you guys got it down like you're that's for you but there's no real entry point for the non-experts you know and i'd like to see more of that it's supposed to

Starting point is 01:14:37 be what drop-ins is but it's it's so toxic yeah drop-ins suck drop-ins is why is what's wrong with dropping it's just full of like trolls and racism there's still a lot like they oh i don't want to talk to strangers on the internet i know and they they put up their their thing where you when the game loads is like ea is working on getting rid of racism like that was all in the 2021 game and like none of that came to fruition no like i'm still playing the the uh the minnesota george floyds every week you know on online like it's not nothing's really been done about that stuff so it's like you don't want to support the game in that factor but like oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah they've

Starting point is 01:15:20 even done anything to actively get rid of that and the population online at any given time is usually low because it's cumbersome to play and there are

Starting point is 01:15:33 really good video games out there so people play other things something else yeah and then else they've really um fractioned off the people who like nhl because like

Starting point is 01:15:43 you can go in a million different ways in how you want to play online you play ones you play threes you play ones like me just versus you 505 play eshl and there's so many little different avenues that when you get into the different parts of the online world there's so little people because there's already a small base to choose from of people who play cell all the time and then you fraction them off even more and then on top of that cross console play i'm

Starting point is 01:16:10 pretty sure still isn't in there ps5 i have a check weirdest console rollout i've ever seen in my entire life well because you still can't get one yeah the game it's been out for like three years you can get a ps5 you can now yeah now finally jesse had to get one the other day and he had to drive to woodbridge though you drove to woodbridge to get that yeah yeah that was the best buy that had them in stock by the way and they didn't do um deliveries no because they couldn't afford an armored car like to because like oh my god yeah but um yeah and the the cross console thing like other other games have figured it out why can't i play somebody who's on ps4 because the people who develop the game aren't given the resources yeah like i can play somebody

Starting point is 01:16:54 on xbox it's not their fault but ea if the again it comes down to this nobody who runs the league plays nhl so they don't get upset players do just like the players don't just like just like um nobody who uh well you think the players are going to speak out on the nhl video game they barely speak out on their own it used to be a big thing and now nba players still talk about their like the rating it's not like they play shooter games now in the end a lot of guys still play madden like a lot of football players love mad and a lot of people love a lot of nba players love nba like it's a it's a game that has a lot of money behind it there you go yeah and this is like all this stuff is coming from me you steve a person who plays actively with your friends like

Starting point is 01:17:39 a couple times a week and like i jerseys i play hours and hours of franchise mode every year and i'm always gonna buy the game and do my gm thing because i love that doing that like these are complaints from people who care about the game and we want to see the game be better i wouldn't complain about it if i didn't like it exactly i would just be like oh that game is bad and leave it yeah uh that's fascinating okay well there you go uh and one more thing here uh from garrett while i 100 agree with you guys steve stay off your phone because there's something on there that i don't want you to see uh while i do only because only because i trust me on this one while i 100 agree with you guys about records staying in the city as in records accomplished with the

Starting point is 01:18:20 winnipeg jets in the 80s should still count now uh one question that i have is what happens to the players that are on a team when it gets moved so let's say it's kachuk the original keith keith yeah he's a winnipeg jet he sets a record in winnipeg and he goes to coyotes my thought is when they move to arizona it all just resets so he's got the jets record but he also could so we can do uh dustin bufflin dustin bufflin uh was that a thrasher moved to winnipeg those those records with the thrashers are now a part of the new winnipeg organization Which they shouldn't be Rose Records should stay in Atlanta

Starting point is 01:18:54 That's what I'm saying No that's stupid What side are you on I'm saying the NHL is stupid Doing that is ridiculous Are you against me on this You were with me yesterday The NHL barely gave Atlanta

Starting point is 01:19:11 A chance to fail It's not working here goodbye Imagine the Atlanta Thrashers had been given the same Support that the Coyotes have been Atlanta's a legitimately big metropolitan area that needs an NHL team. No, drop it. Drop it immediately.

Starting point is 01:19:27 And like, I'm not saying don't give Arizona the support. I'm saying where was that for Atlanta? I guess this was their second try. It was their second try. I'm not sad Winnipeg got their team back. No. But it does kind of

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Starting point is 01:20:16 Discover Coffee Plus on Nespresso.com. don't you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life you know the same way you can skip an ad i get it i'm siaya and i live in ice cove i've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way i planned and today i'm still figuring it out somehow things usually get worse before they get better apparently that's how i roll so bundle up and come along for the bumpy ride don't miss the new season of north of north starting september 8th on cbc gem all right piggybacking off of uh the conversation we were just having uh the first question was from uh stink face mick poop lightning that's a good one who wanted to

Starting point is 01:21:10 bring up the fact that the ottawa senators do not retain the records of the original ottawa senators why so if if i you guys would know this is hardcore hockey fans but there is the og ottawa senators who are in like the original nhl they won the cups before the nhl and this is what stink face brings up 1919 i think so if uh if the ottawa senators took the 1917 to 1934 nhl ottawa senators records they'd have 11 stanley cups and you get you like we would count that towards the record books like we count all of the original six daily are they pre-1917 cups no so they would be within that era of the stanley cup are you sure stanley cup champions here stanley cups the original ottawa centers 1903 nope 1904 1905 0609 10 11 20 yes 21 yes 23 27 yes four cups

Starting point is 01:22:18 all right four nhl cup four versus zero okay like okay let's scratch 11 because it was the nha before that yeah 17 all right so four stanley cups is something we're just pretending they didn't get did they go anywhere like did the nhl ottawa senators go to a different market and become a different team i can tell you or did they just explode if you give me a moment i'm just scrolling the bottom of the wikipedia page at the end of their uh era i'm pretty sure decline uh they had a very small market nobody was going to the games is what it says huh um i like life the the rumor surfaced that the senators would merge with the equally strapped new york americans however this was denied by ottawa club president frank ahern uh who sought financial help from the league

Starting point is 01:23:06 blah blah throwing the home crowd oh the end of the ottawa senators era so they relocated as a they continued as a senior amateur club it looks like they just kind of ended the franchise yeah they the city of ottawa did not have a franchise again until the ottawa senators franchise boarded 92 93 so they just kind of ended the franchise it's the same damn team it's the same why do they name the senators st louis eagles okay is what they became like come on come on that's ridiculous it's like like how are we gonna feel about uh the supersonics when they eventually return to the nba because no that all belongs to oklahoma yeah no it doesn't they're going to be an expansion franchise stop it yeah so the ottawa senators eventually moved

Starting point is 01:24:01 to the st louis uh became the st louis eagles and then so those four cups exist with the one year that the st louis eagles existed in 1934 1935 and then they were disbanded stop it stop no so the sins have four cups they should a hundred percent that's hilarious what the hell i think that's really cool and nobody's i've never known that that the ottawa senators should have four Stanley Cups. They should have those in the Raptors. Yeah. Absolutely. If the Leafs Cups count, these should count too. Well, if the Arenas Cups count, yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:33 Sure. Why not? All that. Justice for Ottawa. Well, at very least that team became this team. This team. True. But like this team became a bunch of non-NHL teams. Belongs to the city.

Starting point is 01:24:47 Belongs to the fans. It belongs to the city and the fans. That's dumb. Dumb. yes jesse i'm gonna ask this question from uh not brad marshan okay let me give steve an opportunity to talk about himself steve i don't like that you've been hitting the gym lately looking kind of swole in the latest dang it's video actually what do you say have i have you i work out i work out uh i have a morning route i have like a five minute routine i do every

Starting point is 01:25:26 morning and uh that's mostly so that my back doesn't hurt and i try to ride the bike and i have a gym session at least once a week also so that my back doesn't hurt you ride your palathon yeah ride it a little bit yeah just a little bit oh man he does have ropes in his garage too i got i do have the ropes and i gotta say shout out to this does that do anything fuck you yes that's it though you want to come over and try let's come over go come over you you tell me but i don't know the guns are solid the guns don't lie okay um i uh yeah you should try them okay they take your breath away really fast it's like alarmingly okay all right this one is from ballsy adam usually good with this kind of stuff this one

Starting point is 01:26:15 Ballsio6. Going to the Minnesota Leafs game tomorrow. This will be my first NHL game I've ever been to. I'm 32 years old. I'm a lifelong fan. I've played my whole life, just never had the chance to get to an NHL game. My company gave tickets out to my boss

Starting point is 01:26:32 who invited me and two others that really are not my favorite people. How do I enjoy this game and what are some of the first time things I should do? Well, you gotta go for sushi beforehand. No, it's in Minnesota. Oh, it's in Minnesota, is it?

Starting point is 01:26:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never, honestly, I've never spent any legitimate time in Minnesota other than their international airport, which is a labyrinth. You need to get yourself some sort of kitschy shit trinket souvenir to commemorate your first game. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's your first game.

Starting point is 01:27:05 And get a jersey, too, unless you, like, if you already have one. If you already have a jersey. Yeah, why not? Cool, but you should, how? It's your first game, get a jersey. The other part of the question. they're going with their boss and two people that they're like about that they work with watch the game watch the game be really into the game make it obvious that you're really into the game ignore

Starting point is 01:27:27 them yeah hey listen we all have to suck it up for hockey sometimes right yep that's okay i think yeah i think you just you just enjoy it and um if remember that this is usually these events are usually where you make it or break it with your organization and what i mean by that is people get a little drunk they say a little too much to their boss maybe keep talking when they shouldn't talk maybe they got bad beer breath here's what you do i would definitely say little yeah say very little and have a beer do not now don't be icy don't be cold but uh yeah be very weary about the amount of alcohol consumed definitely that's a very good point i should also tell you that casperi kapanen uh has just gone on waivers what yeah yeah he was held out of practice this morning

Starting point is 01:28:22 that was just released he probably caps space for a trade maybe happening space i would say go he can be sent down so 3.2 million dollars the leafs signed that deal it looks terrible in retrospect man that guy looked like he had i know who just has that space though nobody you'd have to retain and even then at a million seven five or whatever it would be it's still a lot for barry cappin for a depth player i guess maybe not he could have had it all uh i don't know we'll we'll see i mean he's still he's not even old no he's uh 2014 draft he's the same age is kneelander the same draft oh i was there it was in philadelphia have i ever told you that all right that's a tough one man well it should be an exciting weekend we'll find out what more

Starting point is 01:29:12 about captain but we'll find out about kane for sure uh and remember next week we got our sportsy deadline show trade deadline friday are you ready for the dryden hunt deal yeah the steve dangle podcast powered by sports interaction canada sportsbook follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete

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