The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Apr 28, 2016 - The Grudge

Episode Date: April 29, 2016

On this episode, the guys talk Ducks choke, Round 2 favourite, Boyle vs. Brooks, and Francesa vs. the Isles, and believe it or not, Steve vs. the London Knights. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. You know what? What? Anaheim could get swept. I hope Nashville gets swept in one game in the second round. Why is that, Adam? I hate them more than I hate St. Louis.

Wow! Because my already busted bracket is busted-er, okay? Buddy, don't even worry about it. Come on! In the West? Do I have anyone left? I don't think Okay let's go through

The series again I don't know if I Correctly predicted A series In the west I stopped Paying attention When the Kings lost

Because I'm like That's probably going to End up being pretty bad I had the Ducks Going to the final There's no point Looking at it You had the Ducks

In the final I had them in the final man There's no point Even looking at my bracket No I know Somebody actually tweeted us Today though And they're like

So I'm on top Of your bracket standings Right now And the Steve Dangle NHL bracket, and I'm like, wow, that is mind-blowing. And he's like, but I chose Tampa Bay and Dallas to make it to the finals, so face palm. Why did you do that?

Why did you do that? Their bracket still has better odds than yours. He's right. And the only bracket that I correctly chose in the West was Dallas over Minnesota. Who could have predicted that? And I think I said, what is it, five games or four

games? I didn't even get the games right on that. Oh, I don't know. Like I said, stop paying attention when I realized there was no point in winning. Yeah, there is no point in winning. If you're not first, you're last. Forget it. How did this...

Can we break that down? The West is totally weird. How did that happen? Think about who the Stanley Cup champion is going to be this year, okay? It's either going to be Washington, Pittsburgh,

Tampa, the Islanders, the Stars, Blues, Sharks, or Preds. Right. There are a lot of first-time winners in there.

Only three of those teams that you mentioned have ever won a cup before in franchise history. Oh, wow. Who is it? Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Tampa. Oh, no, I meant four. Four. Dallas, Tampa, Pittsburgh, and...

Islanders. Islanders, that's right. Sorry, four. So we got a 50% chance of getting a brand-new cup champion. My girlfriend Caprice messaged me the other day, and she's like, she was trying to be all hockey smart. Sometimes she'll just come at me. I know that she's turned on the TV and Sportsnet's on

or something like that. Because she said, the Capitals, the Blues, and the Islanders have all never won a cup before, and they're in the second round. And I said, well, actually, that's not entirely true. The Islanders have won four, and they won them all in a row. She's like, no. And I said, well, where'd you get that from? She said, no.

You know what? I got to praise her for that. She went, nuh-uh. She stuck to her guns. That's right. Because what if she was right? How stupid would you look? Right, exactly.

And I said, what sports show are you watching that said that? and she's like the correct one she had no idea yeah not this one maybe it is maybe it could be yeah possibly

anyway yeah yeah I can't sneak any of that by SL anymore no she knows stuff she's just

like now I just I let her ask I don't I don't try to say anything and she her new jam

is Hockey Wives oh that's her new jam that is Blake loves that show everybody that I know That watches that show Loves that show

Don't make fun of me Everyone on Twitter It's a good show Hockey Wives is a good show Why would You be made fun of Martín Forge is a delight That's Jonathan Bernier's wife

Yes Yeah It was an episode And it was from earlier in the season Around Christmas time And he was really struggling And there was drama And it was compelling

I interviewed Carey Price's wife On Breakfast Television She's About Hockey Wives Forget her name But She's extremely nice

She's nice too Yeah She's really nice Is she a UFC champion I don't get it Adam doesn't know who anyone is when they're not

holding a belt I have no idea who that is I care only for winners you interviewed what's his name Garth Brooks or something

Garth Moore Garth former champion no chair by his name anymore Keith Urban guys I interviewed Keith Urban this morning and he was

extraordinarily kind and gracious and awesome once again for relatively new listeners of the show and or people who don't really live in the GTA, Adam is legitimately famous.

No, that's not true at all. Adam is legitimately famous. What sort of reaction did you get when you were on BT once? I saw you on BT the other day. I saw you on Breakfast Television. Do you know who's on that every day? Adam Wilde.

Tell Jesse what you told me on the phone last night about your friend's mother. By the way, Steve Steve has this thing, and I'm going to set this up We won't get to hockey, don't worry Steve has this thing where, you know, people ask Steve what he does And he has to go into kind of a long description As to what it is he does

Well, you haven't heard of the internet Yeah, and so his mom, God bless her Has to do the same explanation To people all the time Well, he does these videos To her friends I think it just sounds like I'm unemployed Right, totally, and it's not true, but it's what it sounds like

So now that he's been on breakfast television his mother could say while he was on breakfast television the other day talking about the videos boom legitimate

boom and so a friend of ours is getting married so there's they're having a bridal shower so we had to bring some

some chairs to the mother of the groom's house for some reason I don't know anyway listen

there's a really good aspect of the story don't worry Jesse it's coming it's coming I'm just the husband of the chairs what type of chairs

were they They were black fold-up chairs, like in the WWE. They were from Ikea. I put them together myself. Don't ask how. It was a tough weekend. For as good as the chairs were, that's how As Bad as Not This Story has been now. Oh, too far.

Mrs. Daniels says, carry these things, and I say, okay, and I bring them to wherever she tells me to go, all right? So anyway, the mom goes, I saw you on TV the other day. I go, oh, yeah? Here's the thing. You don't. Let it finish. Damn it.

And that's where the story ends. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Cool. And then it turns out she's from St. Louis. And then I went home and got new friends. That's how the story ends. Mom, am I going to get to play wrestling?

Yeah. Speed. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I go, yeah? Because what I sometimes say is thank you. But just saying I saw you on TV.

isn't necessarily a compliment. I saw you on TV and I was really confused as to why you were talking about zoo crap. That's exactly what she could have said, but she didn't. So I said, yeah, instead of thank you. She goes, yeah, it was good.

Now I can say thank you. That's nice. Who's your friend? Who's your friend? Kyle. Kyle? And I go, Adam Wild? She goes, yeah.

Yeah, the one, he looks like Matt Damon. Which I said, I have never gotten that one before. The best I ever get is Donny Osmond. No, I get Donny Osmond. I didn't get, I do not see Matt Damon, but I get Donny Osmond is what I always get. You look like Donny.

It's always my mom's friends when they've been drinking a little too much. You know, you look a little like Donny Osmond circa 1975. And now we are at Adam's demographic. He is legitimately famous in a different question. That's the thing though. If I was actually famous, they would know that I'm not Kyle. So I'm not actually famous and that's okay. I'm okay with that.

It's just I'm the guy who happens to be on that show With Dina and Kevin That's what it is How often do you hang out with your mom's friends while they're drinking? Story for another episode Anyway Alanis Morissette drinks? Does she?

I didn't say she did, I said her friends do I also love when your story slipped into Manitowoc County Jail Yeah I didn't watch wrestling today Will I be home for Wrestlemania? I didn't know it. So, all right.

We've got a second round that started last night when the first round ended. What reasons are there? Is it because they're afraid of the NBA playoffs? Scheduling. No, I think it was... You know what? This all would have been fine.

It's the damn Ducks and Predators' fault, actually. You okay? Senka, you dying? Shut up, my friend. Okay. So anyway No, because the Ducks and Preds Started late

So of course they went 7 Of course they went 7 And I kind of liked that the NHL Was like, well, instead of having You know, the Stanley Cup Final Push even later Than it already goes Let's just start round 2, let's just go

The West starts after the East, let's start round 2 Let's go I kind of admire that And you know what, the Preds You admire it? I admonish I admonish it But we'll get to that

In a second But now the Preds Are somewhat penalized For finishing late Because The team that they play Fresh as a daisy Or even more so

Than usual Or rusty Could be rusty You never know I find those Those narratives Never really Actually matter

They only matter When they fit You know what I mean Yeah I mean yeah And the thing is Is that They're either fresh

or rusty if you're yeah the thing is I guess if you're crafting a story you have to say something you can't say

well you know they're about what you assume that's not a good article what we think happened happened we talked about that with

with Mr. Simmons we did many moons ago absolutely and basically like if you write every single day I'm not convinced

you can do a great job of it because at some point You've got to just kind of pull stuff out of thin air. Right. The key is... Unless you're an absolute genius. Thank God.

Thank God I don't only do hockey. I'm always thankful of that in my career because I think about it on the Blake and Wild show. The amount of different areas that we pull stories from, right? It's not just sports. Sometimes, guys, sports is boring. Sometimes the Leafs don't have a story, and yet you've got to write an article.

So that's tough. So that's why you get these narratives, right? It's not even boring, but it runs its course. Yeah. We're done now. What's the new thing? Exactly. Let's talk about something else.

Right. Like the hot dog sandwich debate, which, by the way, don't worry. We're done. We're done. We're done. I'm done. I want to know. Never done.

I want to know. Now that at least mine is significantly busted, I'm sure. Jesse, how's your bracket doing? Yeah, I'm in the fight. Oh, okay. Well. Yeah, well, I had Chicago in the finals. Still holding out hope for whoever the heck I picked in the East.

I don't even know. That's how unpredictable the playoffs are How did I bet against the Blackhawks Come out on top there and still be screwed Yeah It's not fair So here's what we got We got the Islanders up 1-0 on Tampa Bay

Which is really surprising Eventful game Yeah Eventful game They had a huge lead Almost caved With the huge almost comeback And Jack Capuano got a puck in the fudge

Good for him Right in the fudge That sucks It sure does It reminded me Young Avery on Twitter Reminded me Remember when Pat Quinn

Got like a puck in the face Twice in one week And he was on the bench With double black eyes And a bandaid Yes Wasn't one of them in practice Or both of them in practice

I think one was practice One was in the middle of a game Right And he was just standing there Looking like a raccoon And I also remember When he got really sick In the playoffs

Returned to the bench Or was sick later in the season Returned to the bench And he was like 30 pounds lighter Pat Quinn went through Some stuff On the Leafs The Mighty Quinn

Holy smokes And just irished his way through it all. You know, just gritted his teeth and said, I don't have feelings. I only have hockey. I have hockey and that's it. I still remember this picture from a magazine

and it's just a close-up of him looking Pat Quinn into the camera. And my goal to go to Salt Lake City and come home with a gold medal and a smile. Okay, maybe just a gold medal.

and then he did and a pack of gum too because he was always chewing gum and a pack of gum but no I was looking at that picture of him with the two black eyes and I was just like

they don't make them like that anymore yeah like that's a that's a whatever model that is they don't make that model anymore no the Pat Quinn model

it's funny you know you see the best part I think about the Stanley Cup playoffs is when it's a a game changing goal or it's a game winning goal

or a series winning goal and they cut to the bench of the winning team and the coaches are going nuts the players are going nuts I remember watching the Leafs

play the Senators and the Leafs winning and Pat Quinn not even raising an arm like he just he just was like stoic stoic about the whole thing

like Buddy from NCAA this year like crazy buzzer beating shot and he's just like you know he's going to do his taxes yeah

yeah I think he just nailed it and walked away with no smile on his face you won the championship dude nailed it smile

see ya good enough He didn't need to celebrate So, Islanders-Tampa series Something that I mean It's an interesting matchup Because you really don't know

You still don't know fully what Tampa is You still don't know fully what the Islanders are You really don't You see great things You see tremendous weakness They don't have a starting goaltender Both teams are like There are question marks here

But they could do great things But here is the great tiebreaker Who is the one team that I really disrespected The Islanders Islanders, I said I'm not afraid of the Islanders And I said it multiple times throughout the season And here they are 11 wins shy of the Stanley Cup

Doesn't sound like that much, does it? 11 wins shy Just 11 wins You're fine Right, exactly Then we got the Caps and the Penguins Which is the series that the NHL and the NHL fans deserve Yes, and the rest of them no one's even going to watch

No one cares No one cares, that's what Twitter told me Captain Canada against the evil Russian Empire Because, of course Did you know that Canadians don't watch hockey when there's no Canadian teams? I didn't realize that It's true It's like we only have heat vision

Right And everything just goes cold And we just can't see, we're like, duh, where's the hockey? I get sometimes the dependence on local. I get that. I get that. Especially we in the media put a tremendous amount of importance on local. We put too much importance on local.

People do care about what's going on outside of their city. They care about what's happening inside their city, but also outside of it. There's room for both. I like how Game 7 of the Blues and Blackhawks was like three days ago, and we're like, but who's going to watch? Everyone was watching that game. Of course. There was another game going on at the time

And people were watching that game That's how much that game mattered Entertain people Are you not entertained? Were Canucks fans and Bruins fans The only fans watching that series? No, I can say for sure That a bunch of Calgary Flames fans were watching it

Because I had just moved to Calgary When that series happened And they were in the bars going F the Canucks They were cheering so hard for the Bruins Flames fans hate Canucks fans You know what, it's almost like Flames and Oilers fans I don't know, I can't really speak on behalf of Oilers fans

But it's Flames fans have developed Somewhat of at least of a respect For Oilers fans There's like a, you know what, we're going to go to battle And I hate you, but I respect you Damn it Ron Burgundy I hate you, but I respect you But when it comes to the Canucks fans

It's like Canucks and Calgary fans Man, there's hatred there They just don't, they straight up disrespect A little bit of groundskeeper Willie going on there Like the Scots and the English And the Scots and the Irish And the Scots and the Welsh And the Scots and the Scots

Damn Scots Ruining Scotland Damn Oilers fans Ruining Alberta It's true It's true Alright So we got

Yeah Obviously the Caps And the Penguins Is going to be a great We hope a great series I hope it doesn't end up Like Game 7 The last series that they played

That would suck Because we still remember it And that was like A second round series I think it's going to be great. It's going to be great. Blues and Stars. I think low-key could be a fan-freaking-tastic series.

I think part of that depends on Tyler Sagan returning. Because, I mean, Dallas, I just... You'd have a hard time convincing me they're the favorite over St. Louis. Without Sagan, it's even harder to convince me of that. I just don't see it. They don't have the goaltending. Corey Crawford had a fantastic season, was probably robbed of a Vesna nomination, Adam,

and call him Crawful. How dare you? Did I say Crawful? I think I said that. I think a lot of people say that. Oh, my God. And they're wrong, because this year he was fantastic. I bet Corey Crawford is a great guy, and he is a fantastic goalie.

I bet he's Crawful. Oh, wow. No, no, no. He's great. But now their competition is one of Kari Letton and Aranti Niemi The Blues, barring a huge injury Should eat the Stars alive

They just should Which means congrats Stars On advancing to the Conference final And congrats to the Calgary Flames Because the conditional pick you got for Chris Russell Is going to go up What?

That's amazing We've got the Predators and we've got the Sharks When the trade was made, I think it was in December when Seth Jones went to Columbus, when Ryan Johansson went to Nashville. People said, well, what did you really get? You took away a strength to address a weakness, which traditionally isn't a great idea.

You traded a really great guy for a guy that's got question marks. But here they are in the second round. Here they are. And Pecorine's looked okay. But, God, that goalie... Hey, are you talking about 2016 All-Star Pecorine? Dude, Rene is such a time bomb. But Steve, Pecorine is an all-star.

He sure is. He's an all-star. So is John Gibson. But Pecorine is an all-star despite what his numbers tell you. So you need to give him the respect he deserves. He deserves an automatic. I got to put some respect on it. Jesse just literally is like, do it, do it, do it.

Put some respect on his name. Put some respect on my name. Put some respect on Rene. Put some respect on it The memes to come out of that We were just talking about that Have been so good And by the way

Charlemagne is the That show Is an incredible show The Breakfast Club At Power in New York But Charlemagne is my favorite Personality I think ever He is just the

Like literally All of Birdman's crew Walks in there And he's like Say what you gotta say Birdman And I'm like This is gonna be a fight Like he's gonna kill him

Like an idiot Yeah and he walked out He walked out You had 12 guys You brought 12 guys He told Kanye West His album sucked to his face Yeah

I thought it was whack He doesn't care He's amazing He really doesn't care If you don't know Who we're talking about Google them They're great

Google Oh Everybody knows Everybody knows If you don't know Now you know Bird man Um

Jesus What were we just talking about We were just Pecorino Yeah Um You know Nashville

You always gotta You gotta curb Your own expectations I expect the Sharks to beat the Predators. But how come? Well, because I didn't expect the Predators

to beat the Ducks. Okay, Steve, well, did you expect the Sharks to beat the Kings? And the answer's no. I didn't call that at all, and definitely not in five. No. So, are the Sharks all of a sudden a favorite because they exceeded expectations

in round one? Yes. Because you know what? Bandwagons. That's why. You're right. Well, the Sharks are already screwed because I said they would make the cup final last show

so they're already screwed I do think I'm with you I think that the Sharks win this series but I was impressed by

the tenacity of Nashville yes yes you know what the Ducks have their struggles for sure

poor Bruce Boudreaux poor Bruce Boudreaux how many how many Bruce Boudreaux era is over tweets did you get last night era

era that's what I meant like over All the tweets. Okay, what is it? He's lost... One in seven.

Does it mean anything? He's one in seven in game sevens, but he's won eight division titles in eight years. So here's my question. Why did we not factor him in when we were talking about our picks for the bracket? Because any Bruce Boudreaux coached team, how far do they get in the playoffs?

Okay, but to... The Capitals? and the Ducks but to bet against the Ducks for that we are then saying that all 8 years his team won a division title

it was just because they were great and no other reason no I think Bruce Boudreau is a good coach I think he might have the same issue the Toronto Raptors might have which is he doesn't adjust when other teams adjust to him you can get away with that in the regular season

because you're playing one game But when you have a series That's where real coaches The best coaches succeed Exactly so you're going to come in and you're going to play your game Well they've adjusted to your game and now it's not working So what adjustments in your game Well we're going to play our game

Well yes but you're going to have to fix something Or change something on the fly To play your game So what is that going to be And I wonder, I don't know I wonder if that's maybe the case Maybe he's like we'll stick to our guns and whatever And it's just not happening or maybe it's just bad luck

eight times in a row not a Canucks a Ducks fan tweeted me last night and he goes you know what you guys make fun of the Ryan Kessler

contract all the time but damn it if he's not the only guy who actually showed up for this game and he's whoever that was is right

yeah I mean absolutely you were bang on sir or ma'am I will not yeah I don't remember who it was I will not say

Kessler's a bad player no he's just not at 6.85 million dollar season player 31 32 years old oh my god

that's by the way that kicks in next year. About this past one, when he made five. How much do you want to bet they leave him unprotected? Oh, my God. I've never been more sure.

And I think he'll be a part of the new team, because if I'm the new team, I want a guy like Ryan Kessler. Don't you? Why not? Want some Bruce Boudreaux regular season stats? Yes. Ten coaching years in the NHL. How many of those seasons has he not won a division title? Well, Steve's just said it eight, so it's two, right?

I guess... If Steve already said it. Well, okay, the one where he was fired by Washington. And then I'm trying to figure out what the other year was. Good question. I don't know. One year he finished fifth in the division with Anaheim. So he's 8 out of 10.

Coaching record with Anaheim is 208 and 104. Come on! You can't fire that guy. You can't fire him. Exactly. You cannot fire a coach with a record like that. Who's 100 games above 500. That's insane!

It's ridiculous. Like, that's crazy. and you know what he was really great with Washington too the thing that got him kicked out of town was when he sat Ovechkin

oh my god like he's on correct me if I'm wrong but like if he continues to coach and his teams continue winning at this pace

isn't he on pace to be like the winningest coach of all time yeah he has 400 wins right now like he's always you always hear fastest coach to 300

fastest coach to 400 he might be fastest 1 in 7 in game 7 but bad luck It's that it could be horrible luck, or it's that one-game game plan thing. See, if I'm the Ottawa Senators, I'm kicking myself for already hiring a new head coach.

Or did they already? No, they had a new GM. Yeah. No head coach. Dorian, I think. Because if I am the Ottawa Senators, I am watching that Anaheim situation like a hawk, and I am grabbing him. Because all the Ottawa Senators want to do is make the playoffs.

what does Bruce Boudreaux do for you in a wide open division he gets you to the damn playoffs that is all the Senators want to do so they can make budget I don't like the narrative that

he just can't get it done but how many years have we seen the photo of him in the final five minutes of a game seven and him looking absolutely devastated I want to give him a hug

he seems like a nice enough guy oh it has nothing to do with that it's just I does he crack he might crack I don't know the pressure but like what is going wrong then like what

when a coach cracks or when a coach is can't handle the pressure what is that like on the bench does he start throwing the wrong guys out does he well you know what

I think energy I mean energy alone you know as on when you're on a team you can tell going into a game sometimes whether or not you're going to go in and dominate or whether or not you're going to go in and have a good time just based on the mentality in the dressing room like i think you there is an energy for sure oh yeah and i think if your coach is

putting off an energy like that that's got to be a little bit like whoa you ever go into a situation like a like a school project or something at work or you're building something and the people you look over at the person you're working with or some of the people you're working with and you go oh no, they're clueless too. Yeah. Like, sometimes you're like, I just want a little reassurance. And you look over and you go,

oh no, they're just as scared as I am. Sometimes that helps. And then sometimes you've got that one person, that white knight, who comes in and is totally confident and knows they can take it. And you're like, whatever that guy's on, I'm going to be on that train too.

And you ride their coattails. And you know who that wasn't was? Corey Perry, who had zero goals and forces all series. That's over $8 million. Four points. Well, I mean, technically he gets paid

for the regular season and not the playoffs. And I bet you put Corey Perry in the playoffs next year, that's not going to happen. No. I think they probably just had a bad series. Didn't seem like they got their S together, as it were. I don't know.

Well, let's stop talking about them because they don't matter. They're gone. Yeah, it's true. Unless Bruce Boudreaux gets fired, and then we've got to talk about it. Who's going to write the eulogy for them? Good question. Steve's is up, by the way, at puckdaddy.com,

on the team that we knew was going to have a eulogy written about them after the first round. We knew this pretty much for sure, the Minnesota Wilds. Minnesota Wilds. We'll be right back on Sportsnet 590, The Fan. We have, this weekend, a draft lottery. And many angles to cover. That's so close.

We'll get to those next, including, what if Austin Matthews doesn't go first overall? It's possible. So we have, in this segment, a couple things. We've got some Mike Francesa audio. Oh, oh boy. Which we'll get to first, though. We have a draft lottery this weekend.

Yay! And there isn't much of a round of applause coming from this table because there is a tad bit of nerves going into this. You know, obviously, as a Toronto fan podcast, I mean, we are Toronto fans, all three of us. We want Austin Matthews, or we want that first round pick. First overall pick.

You know, Adam, this is going to be one of those things where... You ever head into a situation knowing you're going to feel differently in the moment? Okay, what do you mean? Right now, I am so at peace. I have prepared myself so much for the Leafs to pick fourth, that I'm at peace with them picking fourth. Is it only first or fourth like last year, or can they do second, third, or fourth? No, it's any of the first four picks they could get.

They could get first, they could get second, they could get third, they could get fourth. But I've just made peace with the fact that they're going to lose each of the three lotteries and pick fourth. And I'm fine with it because I know they're going to get a great player. What if one of the Finnish kids drops? What if, you know, Matthew Kachuk is great? What if they're able to get Alex Nylander? What if they trade down and get even more draft picks? That is going to be great, and I know in the moment, in the moment,

if they lose, like the second they announce all three picks, I'm going to be absolutely crushed. I'd be shattered. I'd be shattered if they don't pick top three. Here's what I'm hoping for, and I don't even know if there's a 50% chance of this happening, because you say, well, there's four picks, there's a 50% chance that you're in the top two. The thing is that I don't think it actually works that way,

because there's a 20% shot at pick one, and I don't know what the pick two percentage is, but I don't think. 17.5. Yeah, so that does not equal 50% is my point. No, it's actually pretty weird. So if you go to NHLDraftLotterySimulator.com. Which I have stayed away from because no. I have done less of it this year than last.

Last year I ran it about 2,000 times, literally. You know, which makes me the GM of the Vancouver Canucks. And if you look at the Leafs' percentages, odds to win, whenever they don't win a particular lottery because it goes first, second, third on that site. So the chances of them winning goes up each round that they don't win, but it's only by like a couple percent. So it's 20% odds to win the first pick.

And then if they lose, it might be like 22 or 21 or 23, depending on who else wins. For instance, I just went to the website I picked Edmonton to pick first, and now the Leafs' chances are 23.1%. Yes, so if Edmonton wins a lottery... See, Leaf fans should almost be excited if Edmonton wins, and I know that sounds stupid. Wait a second, what? Edmonton has the second best odds, right?

So if they win, yes, they leapfrog the Leafs, technically, but then the Leafs' odds to win the next one go up. I know that sounds stupid. Okay, no, no, I get it. Let's say, I don't know, the Hurricanes. Let's pretend the Hurricanes won the first lottery. The Leafs' chances of winning only go up by, I think, less than 1%. Ran it again. Vancouver gets the first overall pick,

so now the Leafs' chances of getting the second are 22% instead of 23% when Edmonton won. Right. But none of that matters when we get the first overall pick. So, Jesse, you're going for it? You think it's going to happen? Oh, yeah, guaranteed. So, 100%.

There is a shot, guys. There's a chance that, and this is why I want them to pick at least top two, that a young man out of Finland named Patrick Laine, and it's spelled Laine, but apparently it's pronounced Laine. I thought it was Laine. Laine, okay, or Laine.

We'll get our Finnish listeners to yell at us again. Yeah, I'm sure. Oh, by the way, I have a bunch of Finnish names that we have to try out, and audio to support them, too, so we're going to do that on an upcoming show. I'm saving that. Don't worry.

Our Finnish listeners came in in droves. it was crazy I got tons of tons of audience it's amazing I've actually had to lean on a few Finnish listeners

to the show a few times this year there was one article I had to write when Kasperi Kapanen was put on a stamp in Finland

people were sending me the article saying it from Europe but it's in Finnish and I'm like cool you want to

read that to me and just to make sure they weren't messing with me like I had to ask a few others cross-referenced it. It was pretty cool.

So Patrick Laine could, could be picked first overall. Could be. And there's a lot of evidence

to support he may be the best player in the draft. He's already got a shot they say not Ovechkin's shot but akin to it

in the sense that it is just absolutely unreal his shot. And he's also got the wheels and the smarts. So it's Kessel part two.

Well, that is, that, I don't know about that. I'm not sure if he's a fan of hot dogs or not. So they didn't really get into that in the scouting reports. But from what I'm reading, he's an incredible hockey player. And he put on a hell of a performance in the Finnish playoffs.

Wasn't he MVP? You think he was playoff MVP in his team one? Or am I thinking of Pouliarvi? Which, who, by the way, his team won gold at the under-18s. Ah, but you've got to draft a goal, Canadian kid. You've got to get in there. Get out of these fish sticks, kid. Get out of these fish sticks.

The great thing about both Line A and Austin Matthews, and it's Pooey Harvey. I'm going to say that. I called him that pulled pork kid in my dog charity video. I had a pulled pork fish kid. All three of those guys don't have to play in the NHL, and they don't have to go back to the CHL. Nope.

So you can protect them with the Marlies, and that is a good thing. Even if... It's nifty. It's nifty. Even if they make the team out of camp and you're like, you know what?

I'm going to give you some time. I'm going to give you some time. I'm going to give it 20 games with the Marlies, see how you do there. Or whatever it is the Leafs want to do. What those players give you are options. So I really hope that it is top two. If it's top three, that's fine too.

And let's be honest, a top four pick is still great. Okay? We're all going to be really disappointed if it's fourth. but this team is going to be built on more than just a top 10

first round pick that's why we have Dale Hunter he's got to be able to get Mark Hunter that's why we have Mark Hunter

that's why we got the brother of Dale Hunter that's right that's why we have them those guys are there to scout all the players that other teams

are not going to pick up on and remember we say it every time who went in the second round who's really great names of players they're their first

His bread and butter Is who the Leafs get In the second round In the third round In the fourth round In the fifth round Because it's easy To pick the top ten guys

It is easy Relatively Yeah Any of the people In this room Could go up And be like We'll take one of the

Projected top five Yeah Please Chances are And no one will get Mad at us Because I mean they'll get

Mad at us If we pick someone Out of the expected Top five Which means we just Do the obvious Yeah Which means

The Edmonton Oilers They're geniuses. The top three picks in any sport, any normal person with any type of knowledge could pick them. Yes. Just go up there and don't screw up. Unless it's a very rare situation,

there's usually a consensus top five. Now, with that said, oh, Steve, you got something? Well, yeah. Okay, so obviously if you go to draftlotterysimulator.com, just Google NHL Draft Lottery Simulator, you get to see how much of a crapshoot it is.

You'll come up with so many different combinations. There is an article, if you look up if you Google Canucks Army Draft Lottery they wrote something about the draft lottery

for this year and there are some really interesting factoids in there that you should read so they wrote so the Leafs

had the best odds right? Oilers had the second best odds so what are the odds that the team with the best odds the Leafs

wins one of the lotteries and the Oilers who have the second best odds win the next one that seems like the most likely scenario percentage wise

it technically is so here's what they wrote this is technically the most likely scenario but of course with this many combinations the most likely scenario isn't very likely the chances of the worst two teams picking first and second overall respectively is just 3.3 percent wow really wow everything is proportional so the chances of the 14th worst team don't change much even when the biggest chunks are removed third worst has the most to gain here and has a little better than a one in six chance at winning the third overall selection and there are some other crazy things in there i think the it was like uh the odds of the of the three best teams so the

teams with the worst odds at winning the first overall pick the odds of them winning all three lotteries is like one in two hundred thousand or something like that okay well if it means it's going to happen if there was ever a year the Leafs are in it so this is the year yes um I I do as much as I am preparing myself for this let's let's all just be let's just all be honest here how disappointed are we going to be if the Leafs are picking fourth overall uh for me it depends who wins if if it's if it's okay let me rephrase the question if Edmonton gets the first overall pick what will be your reaction and then we want to go separate reactions here and then i want to gauge the storylines that will inevitably come out of twitter and on in the media i want to

know what the big storyline edmonton wins this pick your reaction steve yeah i don't know about you jesse but for me if edmonton wins it might be the best thing that could possibly happen to me personally because it's pure comedy that's hilarious dude that's content for a month i can do video after video after video post after post talking about that ripping on that doing all kinds of skits about that that would be hilarious and as a leaf fan what do i care how good or bad the oilers are yeah they're a canadian team but stanley cup final like that's where that matters that's it that's really it

which save this audio lol just kidding but seriously it doesn't really affect me that much it's not like there's a huge

bitter rivalry there with the Oilers I won't care I won't care if the Canadians win first of all bitter rival forever and ever

by the way the Canadians could they have the 9th best odds so and by the way they're probably not going to pick worse than 9th

because the odds of them getting leapfrogged aren't very good. That's Rocket Richard's number. It's Rocket Richard's number, I'm just saying. I didn't even think of that. But if they win, bitter rival. So just arguing with friends, that's bad. But then also, whoever they get, the Leafs got to play them six times a season.

And they're in the division. They're in the conference. Oilers aren't in the same division. Hold on, you're saying they got to play them? No, not necessarily. It's Michel Tarian. He's not going to put the best players on the ice. Oh, that's true.

Come on. I think you play backup. I think you... Until you put some respect on it. Put respect on my name. Yeah, put respect on Darian's name. Jesse. Yes.

Your reaction if the Edmonton Oilers get the first overall pick. I think that means it's a more likely chance that we get someone like Taylor Hall. Because if they draft Austin Matthews That means they got some room To move some guys out And that means the Leafs could pick up some guys Adam, I mean, Jesse's turn Are we interchangeable to you?

Is that what it is? I mean, I know your name's on the show and all Other humans are just not Steve Listen, not Steve Steve's brain works like Iron Man's face And it's like, not Steve Also not Steve Whenever I order something

like from like you know i'm going out to get coffee i'm like hello person who doesn't matter uh i don't even remember what we were talking about jesse's reaction we're assuming that the oilers are gonna like actually do something to change this might be the thing that pushes them to finally change that's what i'm more years are we gonna say that eventually it's gonna happen Well, they do have a new regime and a new building, but also they have people who have won in the past and built great teams in the past now. Instead of former Oilers who were on great teams

and never built anything but had the job anyway. Exactly. So I think with Shirely, I think you've got to change the way you look at the Edmonton Oilers in this draft and last draft versus the previous drafts. And Shirely has the history of shipping guys out of town. So in three years Austin Matthews

And Connor McDavid Are Leafs Exactly And we'll give them Louis Erickson Of shoving the best Most talented players In the league out of town

True Positivity guys True One of the best Tweets I've ever seen Sent in hockey Twitter Was sent on April 10th Of this year

By Down Goes Brown He said That is funny Edmonton Oilers rebuild plan 2010 to We don't know And it's just It's a chart

He made a cycle chart And it's Why are we bad again? I can't understand it Next thing Obviously, major changes are required Definitely need to trade some key pieces Well, not that guy Also, not him

That guy could still be good someday Wouldn't get much for him anyway You know what? Maybe we should just tinker Why are we bad again? I can't understand it Obviously, major changes are required Definitely need to trade some key pieces Well, not that guy

Also, not him I was in a meeting I think I said this on the podcast I was in the meeting the other like a couple weeks ago same thing

well there's this thing isn't working well what if we go we went through several things and nobody wanted to change anything

and I was like well that's great so we're going to continue to be where we're at that's cool that's cool why isn't anything

going well it happens all the time it happens all the time in every field every field every profession the NHL is not different and that is why

I said and a lot of people hated me for it Nuge has got to go. Boom. I said the Nuge. Call in the Nuge. Pick one.

Pick one. Pick any of them. I'm sorry. Eberle is not enough. Nuge has got to go. Oh, my God. Or draft anyone outside of the first round. Or draft anyone outside of a center.

Yeah, but then... Like, I mean, I know they have... Yeah, I mean, I know there are non-centers on the team, but I'm just saying, they draft... That is the funny thing. Like, okay, you have to draft the best player available. Of course you do. Of course.

But the last thing they need Is another scoring center Which is a good problem to have You know what They could use a scoring center They could use Their center depth is We're not sure

But a forward Just another forward Yeah Their plan is to run Darnell Nurse They're going to triple shift Them every game You know who would have looked

Darnell and Noah Hannafin Would look really good together Right about now Not that I wouldn't Not that I would say don't draft Conor McDavid. Ever. No.

But, Carolina Hurricanes have got to be looking to deal. And they did just lose a stall and they could use a scoring centerman in which to build a team around. Gee, I wonder what the Oilers have. Do you trade the first overall pick?

If you're Edmonton. When was the last time... I think you've got to think about it. When was the last time that happened? The first overall pick was traded? That does not... I mean, it happens in football all the time.

And it's funny. Football is like... football is like the CHL. It's like, I'm going to give you 4,000 picks and I want your one pick. And then a few years from now, I will get all those picks back because I traded my pick to some other sucker

and got 4,000 picks back. And there's going to be a conditional this and that. And some money, and yeah. Holy smokes. It's true. So complicated. The last time it happened was in 2003 when the Panthers traded the number one overall pick

and a third rounder to the Penguins for the number three pick and a second rounder. Is that the Malkin pick? No. No, no, no. Marc-Andre Fleury. Marc-Andre Fleury.

And I think the Panthers got Nathan Horton. The number three pick? I believe that would have been Nathan Horton. Which, you know what? Had his back held up, still a pretty damn good pick.

He was a good player. He was a very good player. Looking it up right now. We are running out of time on the radio portion. We're running out of time on the radio portion of this, but, you know,

at the end of the day, We're all going to be super sad Super cereal sad If the Leafs are not picking first And especially super cereal sad If the Oilers are picking first And I think that goes league wide And I think, here's what I also think

I think if the Oilers pick first overall I think Now there's a target on that team Now fans are going to start booing the Oilers Just for the fact that they have sucked for so long You can't boo a team that sucks You can't boo, in this case You're intentionally sucking at this point, right?

Right? I mean, there is an intentionally suck You can't boo Ralph You can't boo Ralph Wiggum But if Ralph is intentionally not learning to read And eating crayons You can't, that's not nice That's not nice

You can't boo Are you saying That's actually a really great comparison Are you saying that at every draft After their first round pick The Oilers are like I ate the purple berries Yes

Exactly Ow Let's show my favorite Ruffling emote With that We are going to go On the Steve Dangle podcast On Sportsnet 590

The fan In the download portion Of this podcast The Islanders The Islanders Are a third rate organization According to our favorite radio host Mike Francesa

Oh my And Steve You just ran the draft lottery simulator On your computer What are the picks sir? Third overall pick Winnipeg Jets Second overall pick

Vancouver Canucks First Leafs Woo This would make me pissed First overall pick Vancouver Canucks Okay

I don't really care about that But whatever I care a little bit about that Can you run through The top three picks That you just Reran the simulator What do you have?

Yes First overall pick Vancouver Canucks Canucks fans Will just be Ranting and raving Don't worry They'll trade it

For someone else mediocre You never know They'll definitely be Giving it to me For all the grief I gave them this year Second overall pick They didn't earn anything though

Get out of here Another team that I've given much grief to And this hurts the Leafs a bit Because same conference Columbus Blue Jackets But that doesn't sting Nearly as much as the third pick Which is the Montreal Canadiens

That would sting more To me Just saying Want me to do it again? I'm going down the rabbit hole Jet Sabres Coyotes No, let's not do this. Want me to do it again?

No. Flames, Oilers, Devils. Want me to do it again? No. Devils? Screw the Devils. Coyotes, Oilers, Leafs. Want me to do it again?

No. Jets, Coyotes, Flames. Want me to do it again? Can you close this computer, please? We got stuff. We got actual things to talk about. Want me to do it again? So, Adam, what would you like to talk about?

I would like to. Devils, Leafs, Canucks. Want me to do it again? Hey! Avalanche, Canucks, Blue Jackets. Want me to do it again? See how much of a crap shit this is? Oilers, Flames, Leafs

We're going to do it again Leafs, Sins, Canucks Oh my god I've learned that If you do it enough times The percentages just work out And the Leafs win the majority Like if you get up to

Well yeah Because they have the highest percentage Not all the time Exactly Steve No Stop it Close it

Close his computer Jesse Jesse You have very long arms Please Please shut his computer off Shut it off That's not what these arms are for

These arms aren't made for closing These arms Alright Can we get on to something more fun? I know those are the words. What? Mike Francesa does not like the New York Islanders. I'll have you know, I avoided this clip for 24 hours so I could hear it for the first

time here. I have not heard it either because I was, nobody even bothered to send it to me, which is surprising. I know. They did. They did? You were tagged on some of the tweets. Oh, damn.

Okay. Well, sorry I didn't see them because I haven't been looking at Twitter very much. I'm sorry. Adam's like, what do you want to talk about today? I'm like, oh, can't wait to talk about that Mike Francesa thing. And you just see his face go. So all I know So we're going to go

Completely dry into this All I know is that Mike does not think much Of the New York Islanders And here's what he had to say about it I just wanted to ask you a question You know I always ask you Is it going to take the conference championship To get you out to Barclay

You know what Here's what's wrong with them right now They're not I'm going to be honest with you. They're not set up for you, right? They're not very good at promoting. I've got to be honest with you. Mike is talking!

They're third-rate at promoting themselves. I agree. They've got to realize this is New York and this is the big time because they're a third-rate organization. I'm sorry. They don't know what they're doing. They're in the playoffs the second round now. They don't even know how to be there.

They don't know how to promote themselves. They couldn't even find the time to get the coach to the show here. And we were willing to take them. They couldn't even get him to the show on time. I know what's going on here. They don't know what they're doing. They're a little lost right now. They're in a little deep.

Now, their players aren't, but the organization is. The organization right now, as far as what it's doing, especially from a PR standpoint, is lost. I mean, they're the third rate at best. Okay. So he's not calling out the Islanders. What that is, my friends, I'm going to just come out and say it. That's Mike Francesco whipping out his manhood and going,

waving it at the Islanders, going, Excuse me, you have not allowed me access to your team in the way that I believe personally I should be allowed. And by the way, some teams just don't allow that. Some teams are just not, they're not PR teams. They're not teams that are going to give you tremendous amounts of access. I can tell you right now, it's difficult to get access to any professional team, whether your company owns it or not. And you know what? That's a lot of wagon of something.

You know, I don't know about the wagon, but you are right. that is bang on the reason why he is upset and i'd love to rip mike but uh you know were it were it not uh that i have felt the same way myself in the past well i think we all do but at the end of the day mike is calling them a third-rate organization when that is not necessarily true it's just maybe they didn't want to deal with mike well you know what they're not set up for me but I tell you what I know a young man who for half a decade had a deep bitter hatred of the London Knights for that very reason and that is the guy talking right now when I did junior hockey magazine when I was the writer slash producer for that show booked all the guests

most teams were extremely accommodating that year like it was such a good and stop me if I've told the story before but it was it was a really good year for junior hockey every week i was getting the phone number and and talking to superstars in the nhl now like jordan eberly taylor hall pk suban uh john taveras who else holy smokes uh well jared cowan was that was a big deal at the time zach boychuk jared cowan peter holland was on the show toronto may belief uh future who else lots lots of first round picks and my mission was to basically have on every first round pick or every projected first round pick the one guy I was having trouble getting was Victor Hedman he was in Sweden so that's tough yeah you can give me a mulligan on that one I was

just some 20 year old trying to figure it out in the world but John Tavares gets traded to you know We wanted to have him on later in the year. If he was with the Gens, I wouldn't have had a fucking problem. But he got traded to the Knights. And, of course, you want to have the first overall pick on later in the year, right? Closer to the draft. It's just good booking. Thanks for the lesson, Gino.

Gino Retta. So he gets traded to the Knights. And it's finally time to have John Tavares on week. So. I call their PR guy. Whoops. call their PR guy who shall remain

unnamed do you know this person still I did no no no no I did at the time and he's like yep

you can have John Tavares on no problem call me at this time and we'll arrange it we'll figure it out

was it like trying to get Prince's people to call you it was exactly like trying to get Prince's people to call me

if you've ever seen that Kevin Smith thing where he's talking about shooting a documentary with Prince But here's the thing

I was doing that I was doing that show And I was trying to book a fucking show A nationally syndicated show And see Now my Mike Francis is How dare he And I was trying to book that

And I was doing a full course load at school I was doing a full course load So he doesn't answer first time I call I go alright I wait a little bit Call again, doesn't answer then wait a little bit call again

wait a bit call again wait a bit call again wait a bit I don't have time to be fucking doing this shit pick up the phone

when you said to call the phone god damn it I was pissed I've been holding this grudge for years anyway he finally answers I go

hey sir let's say hey Jim sir Jim hey Jim he's a knight so it's sir Jim

hey Jim you didn't get that did you you didn't get it no no no I'm sorry it was good I liked Sir Jim

because he's a knight oh yes yes yes I got it sorry I'm stupid sorry I'm going to let you stupid you go I'm stupid in my

in my 2009 rage let it out I go sir you know did you get my call he goes

yeah I got your call and the other six times you called oh and so and this is when I just went fuck it

I was 20 years old when I did this I go, listen, asshole, you told me to call you. Well, that's maybe aggressive right off the bat. I was just like, look, you told me to call you this time. I'm trying to do this. Did you say listen, asshole? I didn't actually say listen, asshole.

But you know what? I was going to be like, Stephen. For the next two weeks, every time I looked in the mirror, you ever rehearse a conversation or go, here's how this would have gone. Listen, asshole. But I was not nice. It was rude. I was like, listen, you told me to call it this time.

And I kind of barked at the guy, right? And he actually, like, to the point where he realized he was wrong. He was. He was very wrong. Sure. And he called me back later to apologize. And I remember being like, wow, how about that? The PR guy from the London Knights calling me to apologize, you know?

So, and then he goes, you know what? You know, I'm sorry. John will be on it this time. You can call him. you know let us know this at this time and i go great and he goes and uh if you ever want to have anyone else on any of our other draft eligible guys uh you just let me know and i'll arrange that for you and i went yeah okay cool sounds good and i hung up and i went fuck you that is not happening i thought he heard it or something i was like no no no no no no i didn't say that

to him but i i went fuck you i'm not having a night on for the rest of the year how about that stupid but it was a mission of mine because the Leafs were going to have a really good pick that year and it was I was like you know what it'd be really cool to at least have the number for whoever that Leaf ends up being whoever that player is whoever the Leafs draft and I remember I was big on the Jared Cowan train I was like well got that number it was big on this train that train that train that train and imagine how much my heart sunk when Brian Burke gets up there And he goes With the seventh overall pick

The Toronto Maple Leafs Select from the London Knights Nazem Kadri Who we did not have As a guest that year Because I said Fuck the Knights See this is

And this leads back into This leads into a couple things First off Why you must not As You must resist The temptation As a broadcaster

Sometimes Sometimes you gotta Beat your chest Sometimes not I think Francesa was Sending a message To the islanders there

Gino doesn't know that story Well he does now Francesa has to be careful because the Islanders don't need Mike Francesa. The Islanders will be there after Mike Francesa. You know, I mean, as much as I love our boy Mike, I do. Mike is at the end of his career and has said that multiple times.

He could go on another 20 years, but the Islanders will still be a franchise after Mike is gone. And guess what? There are other radio stations. If I am the Islanders PR guy, I go, okay Mike okay

oh we're not ready for you okay whatever what's WFAN's main competitor I don't know what it is in New York they're not the big one though doesn't matter

they're not in front guess who or what's what's the morning show on WFAN because it's I believe it's Fox Affiliated so it couldn't be Mike and Mike

but it would be something else whoever it is I'm going to them and I am not having Mike broadcast live I don't know absolutely because the press is going to be

there longer than the head coach is going to be there longer than the GM How much traffic and money does Deadspin alone generate from just publishing Mike Francesa shit? So imagine how much they make off Mike. He's probably worth every dollar

he's paid, even though we make fun of him all the time. He 100% is. I am not doubting that for one minute. But if you are the PR person, don't tell me that you do anything for him after this. I don't know. That is an old way, honestly, it's an old way of doing business, and it's not

a good way of doing business. This day and age It doesn't work like that anymore That's an 80s, 70s thing I can tell you honestly from experience That does not work And I'll eat my words If Mike is broadcasting live

From the Barclays Center next week Fine, if that's what's happening, cool But I just don't think If you're Mike Francesa and you want to broadcast live From the Barclays Center, which it sounds like he does Because his listeners are like, why don't you broadcast live from there Well, they're third rate I just don't know what...

What does Mike have to gain from that? You know what? Mike has nothing to gain from that. But he's got nothing to lose, I guess. Yeah, but he's got nothing to gain from that. And he shouldn't be so petty. But damn it if I don't remember that Scott Glennie was the only guy

who ever ducked our show. Which is who? Exactly. But he was... I think he was picked like ninth overall by the Dallas Stars. And I was trying to have every first round pick and he was the only guy who

completely said yep I'm coming on and then never did his career went well well no but listen I'm not doing this

to shit on Scott Glennie I'm just saying that was 7 years ago and I still remember that shit I remember I'm not sore about it but I remember it

I remember career games in the NHL Scott Glennie I think he played how many 30 how many 50

1 wow 2 penalty minutes 1 game he made a mark that's it He and Andrew Peters should do a show together Dude, Andrew Peters played 228 more games

He did, he did, I know I get it, I get it So here's I don't remember how to long divide Here's my next thing I don't remember my blood type, Jesse, but I remember that We're talking about biases in sports We're talking about what happens when this sort of thing happens

And by the way, I don't blame Mike for being mad There was a pop artist that Blake and I were mad at Because she was extraordinarily rude to us And we said it multiple times on the air that she's not welcome back. And that pop artist is one of the biggest in the world

and at the time she wasn't but she was so rude. And now it's like, well, if the interview were to be offered to us, I don't know how we'd turn it down.

You'd have to take it. You almost have to take it. You said it on air many times. You want me to say it? No, no. No? No, I don't want to rehash it. I don't want to rehash it again.

I've said it. I've already said it. If you missed it, you missed it. But I think it was one of those things where it's just kind of like, ah, anyway.

Not the way to do business, and I sort of regret that. There was, however, a guy who we tried to get on the podcast years ago, this is before Jesse was here, to talk about a situation happening in Boston. And he said, and he was a reporter, and he said, great, my fee's $1,000. And we said, great, we'll do the show without you. Who's that?

There was a reporter that we, he, you tried to book him. And you said, I'm going to get so-and-so from... And this was BJ, before Jesse, right? This is BJ. Okay, just checking. I don't remember this. Is this the same jerk who I asked to do a guest blog or whatever, and he's like, yeah, I don't write for free?

He might have been. We'll have to talk. Might have been, yeah. Since we're all talking in code and not throwing up any names. I just know it was a reporter. I don't even know his name. I just know that it was a reporter from Boston, and I looked at him.

I looked at his account, and I think at the time he had like 22,000 followers, and I'm like, he has less followers than you, Steve. How is he saying no to us? People don't get paid for media appearances like that. Some people do. Some people do. Some people do.

So that's a fun fact. I do not. I do not either. I'd love to know what that feels like. But good for him. If he can make it, good for him. If you're in high enough demand, you should charge. If you're Skip Bayless.

Well, and that leads us into another thing that I want to talk to. We want to get to Skip Bayless in a second. But first I want to mention the Larry Brooks-Dan Boyle situation. oh yeah which by the way was unfolding like as we were recording last time so we couldn't get to so we're talking about biases in sports and apparently there was a bias against dan boyle in in in new york according to certain people because dan boyle's a bad quote good guy bad quote oh is that what it was that was what i read from a person and i i i forget his name to be honest with you but he does all the stats for he does like really statistical analysis for uh for

the rangers and you know how i found him and you know how i found his timeline because damien cox retweeted him and said i'm sorry i've never heard of this person oh oh was it ny ragnars no it was not ny ragnars but it was a guy who does stats for it and he said listen this is what happened so if you you probably heard it dan boyle kicked larry brooks and another reporter out of his scrum and the other reporter wasn't actually in the scrum oh okay good he was he wasn't even in the building well there you go he was off covering something else um and so so larry brooks and dan boyle had a thing yep and i wonder where that stems from what now the thing that gets me is that larry brooks not that john tortorella's some angel but larry brooks is the common denominator

in a lot of situations what's his deal is he a great writer or is he a guy that causes controversy because there are both and there are rooms there is room for both in sports you know what i i always give new york a little i grade them on a curve you know you know what i mean because i think even to be bad in new york media you got to be at least somewhat good oh absolutely it's like a rain it's like a restaurant in new york you can't have a bad restaurant in new york you can't no on manhattan island there are no bad restaurants because they don't survive yeah it's true it's a hundred percent true if you can make it here you can make it anywhere by the way the person i am quoting and i i didn't quote him directly

obviously but um adam z herman who writes for blue shirts banner oh okay adam z herman consulting for clear side and analytics writing about the rangers and their prospects for blue shirt banner sounds like he knows what he's talking about man cox said i have no idea who This person is. Which, fair enough, but, like, Jesus, Damien. Damien definitely knows and definitely doesn't like him. But anyway, let's save that for another time. So what do we think about the Larry Brooks-Dan Boyle situation?

Could be Dan Boyle's last game. You know, okay, I'll relate it to myself again. Sometimes I criticize players. Pretty often. You know? And sometimes those players aren't on the Leafs, right? I think the Leafs, I think guys on the Leafs who are aware of me, because not all of them are, but the ones who are.

Oh, I think more than, I don't think they'd let that on. When I criticize them, I think they get it. I think for the most part they get it. And they know that if I do a video about them 82 games a season. There's going to be some criticism. How many times did I criticize James Reimer over the six years or whatever he was with the Leafs? A ton of times. What you are willing to do

What you specifically are willing to do If I may Is you're willing to say Great job When great job is done You don't hate a guy Just to hate a guy I praised Bozak

More times this year Than I criticized him Because he was great Because he was Well He was really great He deserved it Absolutely

So I think the Leafs For the most part Get it Although I'm sure A few aren't fans But like if you're An out of town guy Like sometimes

I walk in there like for morning skate or whatever when I'm in there getting quotes or doing videos or like that cute little face swap thing

I did with the Sabres when I walk in there sometimes I'm like there is a guy I blasted pretty hard and there is a guy I blasted pretty hard and there is a guy

and I'm like I don't know how bad I want to talk to them because they might have something to say you know what I had the opportunity to talk to Evander Kane

I didn't do it because I'm like eh why because of back on track suit no not because of back on track suit I think that he would

have actually appreciated Yeah, he must have. And I hope Dustin Bufflin heard that. Oh, my God! I hope Dustin Bufflin heard that. There's one person, if you are a Winnipeg fan, please tweet that episode at him, because I would just love for Dustin to hear that.

Oh, man. You won't say anything ever, but... I don't even know if he uses Twitter. But Larry Brooks writes columnist-y stuff. Well, not columnist-y stuff. He's a columnist, and he's very critical. And he's a little flamboyant with it sometimes, which I think you've got to be in New York.

but then unlike a lot of calmness he goes into all the scrums so he invites like he puts his face right there you know oh you would never say that to my face and sure enough there's the guy there's the guy right there with his face and over the years people blow up at him sometimes but it's only been two dan boyle's criticism of larry brooks is that it's not that he criticizes guys I don't respect you. It's that he buries them. And he did bury Dan Boyle. And there is a thing, you know.

I don't agree with this, but it is the way it is. If you're not a great player, you better be a damn good quote. Because guys love damn good quotes. And they like talking to you. They like even being your friend. I've seen it. I've seen it. They like even being your friend.

And it's really hard to criticize someone you have a nice rapport with. I've seen it. I've seen it a thousand times. and I've seen it and I go no one is ever going to speak a word about this person so

is and this is my this is the same point that about the the Ranger the Islanders and Mike Francesa who will be there longer

Larry Brooks will be there longer than Dan Boyle Larry Brooks will continue to do Larry Brooks Dan Boyle is done with the Rangers well what's he going to do

get fired for generating a ton of buzz and not actually doing anything genuinely wrong well and the interesting thing was that well people are like well reporters criticize

the players Who criticizes the reporters? As a non-reporter who does a sports talk podcast, I can tell you quite honestly, it is you. Or how about us? Every show. Every show. We do it.

Yeah, no. Listen, if you want to step into the ring, you better be prepared for some poo flowing in your face. Okay? That's what's going to happen. Maybe, first of all, vivid. Second of all, smelly poo. Maybe 10, wow, now vivid and smell-o-vision.

but maybe 10 years ago you would have had a point nowadays if you write a shitty column you know about it even if you write the best column somebody is still

going to go screw you and I hope your family dies it's just going to happen oh someone talked about decapitating me on the Sportsnet

Facebook page the other day that's amazing which was festive which by the way posts on the Sportsnet Facebook page that I wrote

or it's a video of mine but the thumbnail isn't my face? Oh, all the comments are nice. When it's my face, fuck this fucking asshole Dingleberry. I hate him, but oh yeah. By the way, the same people who say

Dingleberry are the same people who call them the Maple Laughs. The Laughs. You are so lame. And by the way, I know our listeners, because they're younger, they're smart enough to know that if you post it on Facebook, we can see all the shit that you are associated with, where you work, your

phone number, that sort of thing. Don't be dumb. don't be dumb on Facebook not just to us I don't care you can tweet me anything I'm not really that worried about it but don't

don't go on Facebook and do that to people and brands and that sort of thing don't be that person don't do it as an egg

on Twitter but especially don't do it on Facebook yeah where your personal family Facebook is you know

if you need to triple check your tweet don't send it quintuple check your Facebook post um Where were we going with that?

We're going to Well I wanted to talk about Those sorts of biases and stuff Because you were talking about Your bias with the The London Knights We're talking about Mike Mike Francesa's bias

With the The Islanders He's obviously mad at the The PR department And you know Then of course We've got Dan Boyle Who doesn't have a great quote

Who's a little bit Who you know Had a clash with Larry Brooks I want to talk about though Two people Who are biased against common sense Because there's a There's a theme

And that is Skip Bayless And Stephen A. Smith Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith actually you know what can I cut you off because I just just thought of something

you know who was a bad quote and a captain of a team and was only kind of a good player Dion Phaneuf you know who's a great quote

just a great quote and people love and he had a good season this year but he's had a few pretty off ones in recent memory Shane Doan

and when he comes to toronto oh oh says all the stuff people love talking to him and you know what i was there he was nice he was cordial but no one would say a bad thing about shane don't and that's the reason why it's not a criticism of shane don't no it's a criticism of the people who cover him and the people by the way anyway by the way we're human beings this happens okay oh totally i'm just saying what it is to live a life without bias is to not live at all and and truly nobody's capable of it so let's let's all let's all try but it doesn't mean it's possible now i want to talk about this um because i think it is a very interesting part of who we are as people okay skip bayless and stephen a smith hosted a show together i don't even know the

name of the show because it doesn't matter first take it should have been called hot take should have should have been called hot take h-o-t and and it is it a first take is is essentially a hot take because it is fresh out of the oven and the best the best part about this about this program was the ridiculous things said on it skip bayless would have a ridiculous opinion and steven a smith would be like oh yeah And then next segment Stephen A. Smith starts And Skip Bayless

Oh yeah Holy shit You needed the ringside announcer To go Oh my god Oh my god Every Every

I'm sure it's on in Canada I just never see it But whenever I'm in an airport I'm like Holy shit Where's Steve and Steve Or where's Steve and Skip Yep

I can't wait to watch this Even if you watched it Anyone who's not me Is just Fight me Kevin Durant Oh my god That happened Oh my god

That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard anyone in sports media ever say. You don't want none of this, Kevin. Kevin, are you listening to me? Are you listening to me, Kevin Durant? You do not want to come at me right now. Do you know who I am? Oh, yeah, Kevin Durant. Messing with the superpowers here.

Let me tell you something there, Kevin. You don't want any of this. Your Ultimate Warrior Is pretty good man Isn't that Ultimate Warrior? No it wasn't that good Because my Ultimate Warrior Is just my macho man

Randy Savage You know what he does He does those fingers Yeah I'm sorry I got the fingers I don't know my 80's wrestlers As well as Steve But no no

His Ultimate Warrior Kevin You wanna come at me Kevin Let me tell you You are on the You are playing for the thunder I am playing for the lightning

I play for the lightning and I bring the thunder. That is what I do. What? The fuck are you talking about? And that's what the show should have been called. What the fuck

are these guys talking about? But, but, the best, I think the best part about it was, was that,

and I said this earlier, there is a place in sports for guys who throw gasoline on the fire. And women who throw gasoline

on the fire. I don't mean guys. I mean guys as a, as a, as a human. Humans who throw gas. Hot takes are not exclusive to men no and i think that's the best part and i will miss that about the two of those

guys together because as ignorant and stupid like like their their comments were just crazy sometimes you just sat back i.e mike francesa and you went wow it's funny you watch it once and you go i hate these guys i hate this channel i hate everything about the show i hate it i hate it i hate it you watch it a few times you go damn it i think this might be the most brilliant thing I've ever seen because you watch it you hear them talk about one topic

and you go I hate Skip Bayless more than I've hated any human being I've ever met and then the next topic you go fuck Stephen A. Smith

in his face what the fuck is he talking about you go Skip you go and then the next segment I'm like I gotta shut this off

I am stressed out I am stressed out I gotta go I gotta go take a bath and relax because these guys have got me fired up

oh my god That's a talent, man. That's a talent. One of the things you saw consistently when people were reporting on the story, they were like, the character Skip Bayless plays on ESPN. The bad guy from The Mask. Yeah, it's a character. The bad guy from The Mask.

I'm sure in real life he's not like this. No, of course not. Not unlike Mark Madden. No, I think he might be like that. There are some people who buy into their characters, though, and then they just become not real people. And that's why you've got to hang on to some of the people that you were friends with before you were famous.

Because they remind you of what you were. And you go, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Got bought a little too much into my own press there for a bit. I think Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith, what they had and what they did was brilliant in a way. Have we said what is actually happening? Oh, yeah. Sorry, Skip Bayless, I'm sure you've heard.

Skip Bayless is going to Fox Sports 1 to have the Skip Bayless experience, which I'm sure will give you half of what you wanted. which is some opinions you agree with and some you're like you are the most ignorant fool on the earth the problem is that they were great counterbalances for each other and it's a shame that the two of them won't be together because even if you were to pair Skip Bayless with someone else

it won't be Stephen A. Smith and the Skip Bayless people, his crew his posse, the people that love him will always outweigh that other person because they're not on the same level as Skip Bayless and it's not on the platform of ESPN

which will be always 10 times bigger than Fox Sports until they pick us up until they pay us a bunch of money and send us to the States I'll throw a name out there for someone who would be a great counter to Skip

I think in a lot of situations, Katie Nolan I thought you were going to say that she would be great Katie Nolan would be fucking great people were screen capping all the tweets about Skip Bayless that Fox Sports 1 announcers had dropped before.

Literally, I think Katie Nolan's one of hers was Shoot Me in the Head Right Now. Which, by the way, all of a sudden can't wait to see them together. I would love, you know what? If there's one person that it's going to work with, it's Katie Nolan. It's got to be Katie Nolan. She'd be great.

I think it'd be Katie Nolan. Garbage Time is great. It is. Man, I would love to see that. Now, who does Stephen A. Smith get? Now, that's a tough one. Because it's not just Skip getting a new partner, right?

It's Stephen getting a new partner. Or does he get one? I think Stephen A. Smith would have an easier time on his own. I think he could host his own. He could do his own show. But damn. We are splitting up like... Like that is a power combination of idiocy.

It's when the tag team champions decide to go solo. Yeah. It's not so good. And compete for the heavyweight title. I'm surprised that Stephen A. Smith is not also going to Fox Sports 1. Maybe when his contract's up. Maybe. I don't know when his contract is up.

Sometimes these guys talk about it on the air. It's interesting. That never happens in Canada. You never hear broadcasters talking about their contract. I've heard one. One time. It just doesn't happen here. In the States, it's like, yeah, well, my contract's...

They talk about themselves as though they're the players. There is something to the Canadian politeness thing. There's a fine line. That's not politeness. That's being terrified. I don't think Canadians want to do it Because I don't think they want It's not acceptable up here

Straight up Management will say Do not talk about this Why? Because it's rude Because it's rude And the audience doesn't care We shouldn't do that

That's what they're The argument is the audience doesn't care I think they do I think the audience absolutely cares I'm just telling you what I've heard You know what's always an amazing thing? Someone's screaming that they don't care Think about it

Yeah Yeah, well, we get it every day when we post stuff on Kiss's website and on our Facebook. I don't care! Okay, Steve, keep telling yourself that. No, no, but if you take the time to write that on a Facebook comment, you cared enough to write.

Don't be that person. I always love it when we post a funny blog that Jesse's written. Jesse does all our blogs, and they're all very funny. You do a great job. You do a great blog, man. You really do. And what's amazing is that people will write, and they won't even look at the article you can tell,

because otherwise they'd be like lol this was hilarious they'll go isn't KISS supposed to be a legitimate news site no

it's not it's a it's a top 40 radio station we are not at 680 news our sister station down the hall

legitimate news site it is you know what people go oh nice reporting you call yourself a reporter and the thing is

people used to tweet that at reporters now it just gets tweeted at everyone and the person has to go no someone actually

mad at us for writing about like the latest taco fest yeah that's what we're supposed to be talking about yeah we're supposed

to talk about tacos we don't we don't have to all hit the hard-hitting issues we can just let some people do that but again we're just

reasoning with madness anger so anyway rest in peace first take we're gonna miss you it's not over yet

but we are gonna miss you because honestly I thought those two were brilliant together as long as you didn't believe a word any of them said just came up with a new title for the show

with Katie Nolan and Skip Bayless Garbage Take but Katie Nolan's really smart that's the only problem Garbage Time and First Take even that's the hole with Katie Nolan and Skip Bayless is that Katie Nolan is very intelligent and has some very

intelligent arguments Stephen A. Smith met Skip Bayless on the dumbass meter you know Like, oh, you want to, like, you know when you've heard the expression, don't sink to his level. Skip, Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith were digging each other, digging deeper holes. Oh yeah?

You think it can reach the center of the earth? No, I'll reach it first. You ever see the Pokemon episode where Ash got his Charizard back so it could fight another Charizard? Yeah. That's what it was. Bingo. Bingo.

Hey, do we have a what's up in Liberty Village today? We do. All right. We do. Let's do it. Because I know Steve's got to get out of here real soon. Give me one. Oh yeah, shoot it.

Going to game three, Marley's Bridgeport Sound. We're going to do a couple of these. Oh, by the way, for the remainder of the playoffs for the Marley's, and we set this out yesterday, and I realized there was a problem with the poster because it said click here and a bunch of people clicked here. Yeah. And they were really, really upset.

They were really upset about the fact that they clicked here and it didn't lead them anywhere. And they're like, but how do I do it? Marley's.ca, guys. If you use the promo code SteveDangle, one word, you get you get to buy tickets at up to 30% off

we hooked that up with the Marley's thank you to Cole from the Marley's for hooking that up great dude and by the way if you

if I happen to post a poster and it says click here and you can't click here I think you can figure it out

from there also read the poster that I'm pretty sure said Marley's.ca but be quick because there are limited tickets available

and by the way to the person that tweeted that I think you'll get over the fact that there It might be a spelling error from time to time, but no. We kind of bungled this a little. It's us!

What are you... You can't click the post, sir. There's typos. Do you think Jesse ever gets disappointed when we do something right? It's less content for God. Listen, we have set the bar low enough that you should expect this from us by now, okay? If you don't know me by now, you will never, ever, ever know me. Click this JPEG.

It goes nowhere. Anyway Jesse What's up in Liberty Village? First of all Everybody go donate to my CWHL gift page Bullshit

Do it after you donate to mine Adam has enough money I've actually I'm well over 50% Thank you to everybody that's donated Wild Nation Hashtag Wild Nation Coming out full force

Wild Nation You don't need any more money First we have It's not going to me From Mike Mike just wants everybody to know About the awesome breakfast he had He just simply posted, awesome breakfast, and took a picture of his food.

There's no context. Shall we get into what Mike had for breakfast? He has a nice little salad. What do we got there, Steve? We got a salad? Oh my goodness, I have no idea. I think I might get you to look at that. Well, first of all, look at the design.

Look at the grill marks on that, I believe, focaccia bun. Yeah, so he put his focaccia bun on the barbecue. He's got what looks to be Some sort of chicken or something Plus a salad A Greek salad with bocconcini You're mixing Italian and Greek sir You are wrong

There's Italian and Greek in that Who does this help? Well I would like Adam to read the comments Because maybe that's who it helps Well the first one is Fawk F-A-W-K But there's a few extra A's and P-W's That's a good damn reference

Fawk Second Somebody wrote My pleasure Dot dot dot I'm assuming that The person that wrote My pleasure is

Either Mike's Boyfriend or girlfriend I can't tell Because the person's name Is Desart D-E-S-A-R-T I don't know I don't know

I don't know Okay And then Amrita writes Love the food Oh It's at Chow Europa Cafe Oh he did tag the location

He tagged the location Okay okay So we're just dicks then Let me tell you Again Fucking breakfast Liv Vigians are hipsters, but they're also foodies. So, they want you to know...

Look at this restaurant quality looking food. He didn't make it himself. He didn't go to a restaurant. Alright, we have to go into Charlie. I feel a little bad for Charlie. Charlie. But he also has a serious issue. Charlie writes,

Random question. Does anybody have a cane they don't use that I could buy, rent, or borrow? I broke my toe and would like to be stylish about it. If you're in liberty, my partner can come grab it. You know what? You started saying that, and I'm like, oh. I'm like, yeah, this isn't really, this isn't good. No, he just wants to be handsomely injured.

Caroline wrote, if you don't find a cane, I have some pretty sweet crutches. Thanks. I don't know, I've never broken a toe. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. because I thought until you said I want to be stylish about it

I was cool okay I was down and then I don't know I don't know I'm not I just think it's weird

I do think that's weird why are you posting on a public forum whatever happened to Kijiji you know well it exists and so does Craigslist um also

canes not expensive yeah can't you just get them from a doctor uh well don't we live in Canada yeah but I don't think you get canes for free

you don't get crutches why not I'm sold everything is for free The doctor's free Socialism doesn't work Mike has our post of the week Hey everyone Looking for a hot tub in Liberty Village

I'm an amateur bodybuilder And relied heavily on one at my old gym For a good recovery after each workout I'm now very sore All over He went dot dot dot all over Good life doesn't have one My building doesn't have a pool

Any ideas? No comments, no likes Even they don't like him That sounded a lot like he was trying to be coy I think he's soliciting I think he's soliciting I am an amateur bodybuilder And if you are a young attractive female

I sure would like to take a bath And I'm sore dot dot dot All over Well I'm sure he's referring to his calves And sir as someone with awesome rocking calves Myself I sympathize Wow That's my bread and butter

The calves Bashimi wants to know if anyone's selling their Sporting Life 10K registration. What? See, these are

Okay, so you're trying to buy your way You're too unnamed to even react to. You're buying your way into a charity race. Sign up for another charity race.

Is that what she's doing? That's a 10K marathon. She started off her post with, hey, neighborinos, anyone selling their 10K Sporting Life registration? Okay, you couldn't just go So, well, there are, by the way, we live in Toronto, which is the city, the city of charitable runs.

You couldn't find another one? We shut down major arteries into the city for these things. For weekends at a time. And we have very limited weekends where you can do that, by the way. So, by the way, it happens all the freaking time here in the summer and it drives people up the wall. No, it drives people up Bayview because they can't take the DVP. And you know what? There's four different people selling their Sporting Life 10K registration.

Okay. Karen said, I can sell you mine. Melly tagged her friend, Nicole, who's selling hers. And then Nicole also commented, I'm selling mine if anyone else is interested. And Jamie said, hi, Nicole. PM me. I would like it. Is Liberty Village like its own place?

It's its own world. Like the Vatican, kind of? It's Vatican City. It's its own thing? I know it's in the middle of Italy but it's it's own thing yeah it is

I wouldn't be it wouldn't shock me if they voted to secede from the Canadian Union like if they the Lib Vatican yeah the Lib Vatican

I like it wow Liberty Village Sporting Life 10k registrations that is really up for grabs there's many of them that's it

if you know Manu also is looking for specifically a 50 inch TV if anyone is selling theirs sick that's it god

I would like to do the press conference let's do it do do do do do what's up and live bitch that's our that's our theme song is that our theme song

yes first question sorry Jesse it's just I liked it when they were weird now they're just kind of boring That's what was up today. These are just kind of nice people going about their lives.

And by the way, you know, I got to admire the woman's dedication who wants to buy her way into a charity race. You already have to raise money, and now she's paying money to someone else to get in. If it's a Pittsburgh San Jose Cup final, rooting for Phil or James? James. James. Okay. No hesitation. James.

But it would make people more mad if Phil won. So there's that. Where are Phil Kessel's hot dogs now? That would be a great headline. Dude, and I'm just, I keep thinking of the Instagram post. He's just got to reach into that cup and pull out a hot dog. Or he's got to walk up to a hot dog stand in Toronto with the cup. I hope he does it.

I hope he does it. Walks outside the Toronto Sun Building with the cup. Yeah! It's right near my house, by the way. If Colorado ends up signing Raduloff, Radulov, do they immediately become the most dysfunctional organization in the NHL?

No, how dare you? No, I don't think so. The Sens, the Habs, the Canucks, the Columbus Blue Jackets, they all exist. Mostly Canadian teams? Oh, yeah. I don't think Colorado is that dysfunctional. And actually, Wild fans would say their

organization is giving everybody else a run for their money even though they make the playoffs. I don't think the Avalanche are dysfunctional. I just think they're wrong. Yeah. No, that's not even bad. Like, I think it's just a disagreement of my perspective and then their perspective. And talented players, most of them. Absolutely.

I think they're running in their direction. If Morgan Rielly was a flavor of chips, what flavor would he be? Ooh. Let me think about that. All dressed, because he's the full package. The first comment is, all dressed. There's no undressing the Mo. That's even better.

No one dressing them mo. I'm going to go with sweet Thai Doritos. Not sweet chili heat? Sorry, that's what I meant. Sweet chili heat. Because, you know, he's got that heat. But if you look at him, he's just so sweet. And also, everyone likes him.

Did you notice that everyone likes sweet chili heat? Yes. You're making me want Doritos now, and that's really not a good thing. Should we move on? I don't like chips What's the matter with you? I don't really like

You don't like chips? No I gave them up for Lent When I was like 14, 15 And I never got back into them I've never I've never been You talk about it like it's smoking

It's not Yeah It's not a It's not a comic book It's a You've been to that many parties And you Maybe that's why Jesse

Hasn't come to your parties Because there are bowls of chips everywhere And he can't stand the temptation And he's a recovering chip addict Chipaholic Yeah I have my 10 chip chip Do you eat

that's a great wow 10 chip chip oh my god that was really good but that hurt me a little bit been 10 years

since I had a chip chip first of all I'd just like to congratulate Jesse on being a dad like I had no idea I had no idea

congratulations daddy-o thank you oh my god damn dude next question yep who would win in a fight Nick Kiprios

or George Strombolopoulos uh Kipper Kipper no offense to Strombol no I think Strombol would say Kipper I uh

you know what's funny we uh we did who would win in a freestyle battle george i don't know kipper's got lines man he does that's what i mean like george is very he's a very very intelligent man but kipper he's he's chirped an entire career he he can roast he can roast um uh kip rails when we took that picture together last year where he's where he's holding me pretending like he's gonna punch me it was funny and it was for funsies but there was

an element where I'm like he's letting me live now and that's just his decision he's deciding to let me live at this moment

right okay his fists are still large and and hardened from all those years of breaking so the crowd

in the Coliseum is going kill kill and he's like no because I'm I'm Russell Crowe and I decide no

or a I am the gladiator I'm a Spaniard by Cricky should they have a separate trophy for the best offensive defenseman

no I don't think so no I think you do best defenseman and then I mean they don't even have

a best forward but most of the forwards win all their trophies anyways you don't really need one you got the Selke and the Rocket Richard and the Art Ross

yeah I think should the Selke just be called best forward but isn't it best two ends Best at two ends? It's best two-way forward, but how many ends are in the game?

If there's a best two-way forward, it would make sense that there would be a best two-way defenseman, right? Well... I mean, why do we have a two-way forward if there's not... I agree. I suppose that's true, but like, okay. The guy who wins the heart... Sorry? Adam talked himself into the other side of the argument.

I did. The guy who wins the heart... I skipped Bayless to my Stephen A. Smith. The guy who wins the heart of the Rocker Richard Is often in the running for the Art Ross No sorry the guy who wins the Art Ross Is what I meant to say

Or the Rocker Richard is often in the running for the heart Right But they're almost never nominated for the Selke As well Which is best two way forward So what is it best You're the best one dimensional player No you're the best Mike Pekka of that year

No no that's the Selke Yeah that's what I mean Right, so what is the heart then? The best one-dimensional forward? No, the heart is the most valuable to their team. Yeah, that makes sense. Wouldn't the most valuable player be the one who's most valuable at both ends of the ice?

Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Because that excludes goalies. But like, okay, let's pretend a forward wins the heart, okay? Yeah. But they're not even nominated for the Selkie. what does that say about the player

who won the heart and what does that say about the player who won the selkie here's what I would say one is better defensively you want to honor more

you want to honor more than a couple players at the end of the season for having good years right okay it's like when Kanye gone on stage

and and interrupted Taylor Swift the reason they gave Taylor Swift that award is because because Beyonce did have

at that point the best video of all time but they were saving the award for that for best award at the end of the show, the big award right after Beyonce performed, right? That's what they were doing.

The MTV Awards is smart because they were like, yeah, because at that point, Taylor Swift was not the biggest artist in the world. She was an up and comer and had a massive fan base. And if Kanye had any intelligence, he would have realized that and gone, oh yeah, because they're saving Beyonce's award for later. Right?

That's what the NHL is doing. They're like, you were good and you were good. But you were better. Are you saying this is his best original screenplay? Uh, yeah, sure. A little bit. yeah whoa

so best original screenplay so I had the best movie whoa we like no we like to honor the guys that put on

their hard hat and get their lunches and they go to work yeah like Patrice Bergeron like he doesn't fit that like he doesn't fit the archetype of that let's just call it

the Jonathan Taves award and then never give it to him like I don't know I just I don't know all we would be all we would be doing

is inserting another here you go. Another bone throw of an award. I don't disagree. I agree with you that there's merit to it, but it's just another award that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Can I be honest with you? None of them mean anything. Honestly? Sorry, I'm Stephen and Skip right now, but let me just say this. There are two things in the NHL I don't care about And would never miss

If they left The All-Star Game And the NHL Awards I don't care I would miss The All-Star Game more Would you? Also I would miss

Maybe it's a great event I think the All-Star Game You gotta be there Because I don't think It translates I really don't I don't think it translates

On television It's better this year 100% Even taking John Scott out of the mix That was a great idea And damn Good on him

In the last 18 months I got to go to the All-Star Game And the Winter Classic And they were both the shit and I think okay so fair

the shit but on TV 99% of people weren't there it's so I guess maybe more than that

maybe I would care more too if Alif was nominated for something but we're so bad all the time that's probably why I don't care I've been trying to figure this out

I'm like why don't I care more about like Carey Price winning the Vezina in the Heart I'm like good for him honestly

but honestly if I were to reach down to be honest I think it's because I was legitimately upset The year Cujo was nominated For a Vezina and didn't win Because that year

He was the best goalie In the NHL And they still gave it to Broder Or something Or Wach It's still real to me Damn it That pissed me off

Maybe that's what it is I'm trying to think Of the last Leaf To win an award And it was either Alex McGilney For the Lady Bing Or

What's that award for Gentlemanly right Did Kessel win the year He came back He won the Masterton But he was with the Bruins Oh shit And

I think Sundin might have won the Marc Messier award for leadership which by the way what the fuck is that an award? exactly

exactly I didn't realize that was an award there's so much I'm not paying attention to that why is there a Rocket Richard

for most goals and not something for most assists? that I have always thought is like a glaring weakness and I do think you know if you're

going to have the distinction of the best two way forward you should have the best defensive defenseman or defenseman that doesn't score

the most points one dimensional defenseman You're the best One dimensional defenseman So you're the best At one thing What's wrong with that

Yeah it's Rocker Charger The best at scoring goals Yeah that's a One dimensional award Yeah I am for it You're the best goalie

I am for it Just for the fights Isn't there a best Backup goalie trophy Everyone is just Going to be so upset With this award Is there a best

Backup goalie Who's the best Defensive defenseman In the NHL I don't know Exactly Drew Gowdy Fuck

Imagine he wins that That's his best Original screenplay He wins it Every year They never give him The Norris I don't think there's anything wrong

with rewarding one dimension of the game that someone is the best at. I don't think there's any problem with that. I don't get it. Do you care about the baseball MVP award now that Josh Donaldson won it last year? I don't... Because that's one thing, right?

They have one award and it's that. No, they have a whole bunch of awards. They've got gold gloves and stuff like that. They have silver sluggers. I think he deserved it. Yeah. I've never not cared about that. Yeah.

Okay. I actually care about the baseball one Yeah, you said you didn't care because there was no Leafs involved. So do you care about the Blue Jays? Oh, I see what you're saying. Not too much. If he got robbed, I think maybe I would have cared more. It's funny.

I don't know. That's actually a really good point. I don't really know what it is with the NHL. Maybe it's because I've watched a lot of bad NHL award broadcasts. Hey. Maybe it's because they're never that good to watch. Are you going to be at the draft lottery on Saturday? It's here, isn't it?

If it's in the CBC building like it was last year, then yes. Oh, that's where I plan on being this Saturday. By the way, Will Arnett is hosting this year, right? The NHL Awards? That's who it is. I was trying to think of the name. That will be good. Because I love Will Arnett.

I will watch for Will Arnett. He's the man. So are you going to try and touch the ping pong balls? I'm going to try to do more than I did last year. No, I'm not going to try to touch the ping pong balls. So I think that is in a hotel. That whole process is done in a hotel. And they just bring the results to CBC, I think.

so Batman won't be in the building with you? Because that happens in Toronto. Imagine crossing the street and they just get mobbed. You might want to have security there. They have an envelope that showed that the Leafs won.

They just pull a Brinks truck up to the hotel. All right, now we've got to drive two blocks. But then it's like the Italian job where they put the Brinks truck into the subway system

and then it disappears. And Edward Norton's in a helicopter was like where's my truck where's my truck have you guys seen that am I getting it that movie's like 15 years old hey that movie

freaking rocked okay it was alright it was the best commercial I've ever seen for the mini Cooper well my household has a mini now

so screw yourself well there you go that's why you like the movie so much I'm a slave to corporate marketing sir well we're out of questions

yeah we're out of questions I figured no NHL awards we'll watch this year we'll see I don't know I hope to go again that'd be sick

I mean it was in Vegas and I got to talk to PK like that's awesome that's a cool experience I would like to do that again

and always my instant thought with that is what was he wearing cause he's always so well dressed he had like 19 suits

that he brought cause he was the co-host as well remember right uh I think it was a khaki suit khaki colored suit

he wore for our our interview probably his his least flashy suit for me but that's that's okay I'll be your least flashy suit PK

It's fine You're cool By the way I'm noticing with Steve's Shirt That it looks awfully similar To his TV shirt That he bought

Only a different color So I'm wondering Is it the same shirt As your TV shirt That you actually bought Only a different color Probably No

It's not I got this from Old Navy And the TV shirt I think came from the Gap So hot Alright Alright I just thought

I'm sort of an adult Alright so we will watch The NHL Draft lottery this weekend With trepidation And the NHL draft Or NFL draft tonight I can't wait for that

Cause that is They do it right Yeah It is glitzy and glamoury And Johnny Manziel walks out With his money It's good times Ram it

Do you know How to ram it Yeah who will they draft Which and Jesse's wearing his Rams Sam Bradford jersey That worked out Got to represent for the St. Louis Rams. You know, before we end the show.

Okay. Seeing as this is the last show. Before we know for sure. Before the draft lottery. Oh, God. Now I'm nervous. Now I'm nervous. I'm going to run it three times.

No. No, no, no, no. No. Okay. I'm going to run it. I'm going to run it. Okay. Oh, Jesse's got to get recorded on the camera.

I'm going to run it, and I'm going to reveal them third to first. Okay. With the third overall pick The Arizona Coyotes With the second overall pick The Calgary Flames And with the first overall pick They did not have good odds of winning

In fact, they had the second They had a 2% chance of winning The Carolina Hurricanes Sleep tight Leaf fans Sleep tight Follow the guys on Twitter At Steve underscore Dangle At Adam W-Y-L-D

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