The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Aug 2, 2016 - Kristina Rutherford

Episode Date: August 2, 2016

On this episode, Sportsnet writer Kristina Rutherford joined the podcast to tell some of her incredible stories about Phil Kessel, John Scott, Jaromir Jagr, J.A. Happ, Jose Canseco, and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, so we've done this show for three years and a couple months and and never we've had tons of guests on we've had everyone from Elliot Friedman to Richard Petty to Jeff Merrick to Ben Scrivens recently. That's right, we had that guy No, kid, he was the best Really was a great kid But the one thing That I have never seen from Steve Is just the outright ridiculous excitement That we have for today's guest

And before I bring her on I want to talk about a little conversation we had this morning Oh, great, that's good So Steve was up early And I can always tell when Steve's up early Because Steve's messaging us in the morning If Jesse and I hear nothing from Steve in the morning

it's because Steve's sleeping but if he's up early and working he's like which is fine so I asked I asked the question

when I woke up this morning at 8.30 I thought okay so are we doing this are we doing this show at 7pm or are we doing it at noon and Steve's like

noon Christina Rutherford's on now we've been preparing for Christina Rutherford to be on for a month and I know you are the Frank Ocean

album of guests yeah and I know I knew you were going to be on I was like yeah I know I just wanted to know the time. He's like, Christina Rutherford, she's going to be on.

Here's the message. So, without any further ado, Christina Rutherford, welcome to the Steve Nagle Podcast. Long overdue. Now, before we fully introduce you, can you run down your job description? Because I don't know what your specific title is. I just know stuff about you. Oh, okay. All I ever say is, she's great.

Yeah. She works for Sportsnet. She's great. Oh, thanks. Writer. I'm a writer for Sportsnet Magazine and Sportsnet.ca. That's it. Amazing.

Boom. Boom. You enjoying it? Mm-hmm. Cool. It's so fun. Well, I ran down your articles in the last week, week and a half, and it's like baseball, tennis, baseball, football.

It's all over the place. You're everything, and that has to be quite the balancing act. Yeah. Well, it's actually fun, too. Like, last week, I was covering golf and tennis. Yeah. Like, day-to-day. And then there's going to be a little baseball.

Yeah. So, you actually don't know a lot about one thing. You know what I mean? you know very little about everything. I disagree. I don't know if I would want to admit that. Oh, it's true. Journalist Christina Rutherford.

I'm just being honest. I mean, I can float into, I float into an area, and maybe at one point I know all of Yager's stats, and then it just empties from my brain, and then all I know is about Brooke Henderson or Milos Raonic or whoever it is, and then it just empties. It's a bad memory, too.

That's like me in long division. A lot of the things from elementary school just tumbled out, And now I know Ackie Berg was drafted top five. It's just there. Useless information. No, it's not useless at all. So you're... See, I know you don't like getting your tires pumped.

Steve has a huge work crush on you. I do. Again, I've never seen Steve so excited. I do. Because you know... It blows my mind. You're what every... Okay, I know a lot of aspiring sports journalists or sports writers or even YouTube commentators, whatever, watch this show.

And I think you are what they should strive to be, which is well-rounded in what you can talk about. Okay, you canceled on us. She's really uncomfortable with this. I know you are. You canceled on us to interview Eugenie Bouchard. I couldn't talk to Jenny Bouchard about anything tennis related because I barely know the difference

between singles and doubles and then the next day you can write a full article on baseball I know one thing and I do it well I think I think it's valuable I guess but what you do, do extremely well and you don't need to know

any one sport particularly well to ace this is people and interesting stories oh thanks like i was listening i like to think of myself as a shannon zabados fan for example right and lovely lady lovely of course you know she's a lovely lady because you spoke to her and and um like you were talking about they give a sermon before the games that she plays in it is insane yeah so I went to Columbus, which I originally thought was in Ohio, but it's not. It's in Georgia. There's a Columbus in Georgia. I almost booked a flight.

Yeah, there's another one of my strengths. I almost booked a flight to, yeah. Anyway, it's in Georgia, and before every game there, they have a pastor who comes out on the ice and does a prayer. Like, it's insane. And then the team skates through this inflatable blue snake head, and there's lights, and there's smoke, and I wanted to be on the team so badly.

It's like the coolest experience ever. Hockey in the Deep South, and she's the one female in the league, so obviously a really unique experience for her, to say the least. The whole time I thought they played in Columbus, too. Right? And it never occurred to me that it would be weird that Columbus, Ohio, has an SPHL team, a Southern Pacific Hockey League team. Right.

So when I pitched this story, so we have story meetings and we pitch stories, I also said, I can do something on the Blue Jackets while I'm there. Oh no And nobody Nobody said anything So nobody knew Nobody knew Yeah

So we're not alone It's okay And that's the thing That I think we're most excited To talk to you about today Is you know The fact The way

The way Steve Describes you It's like you're a Vietnam vet He's like She's seen She's been around She's seen some stuff I'm old

That's what I mean I'm old No that's when you're old No Jeff Merrick's old Yeah Yeah I mean let's not even Get into the wrinkles

On Wyshynski's face lately oh my goodness but uh wait till he comes back from rio but there's something i want to address i think there's something we should address and uh it's something that i think is is pretty obvious at this point to everybody like you know what it is well it's 25 degrees outside and you're wearing full jeans and you biked here like i don't understand what the i didn't even notice that what's wrong why why do you make poor life decisions i know i usually bring clothes and then I bike in other clothes and today I was too lazy to change. Right.

Right. But you're a bad athlete but good at talking to athletes. Right. So that's good. You've got to be a bit of a lunatic to talk to athletes. And I guess the follow up to that is, you know, obviously you have a higher pitched vocal range and

and I think, I mean, let's just nip that in the bud right now because there is times where, I mean, God, people it's so funny, people when they, with their voices i've never seen people who are full of confidence crumble faster than when they hear their own voice recorded it's unbelievable you can't even imagine what it's like for me i'm just kidding it's not that bad i'm used to it i'm used to it you are now it's quite jarring though like

it's pretty jarring um i was actually in the tennis media center i guess late last week and they did a feature on milo shranich and i was in the car asking him questions and one of my questions appeared on television which I didn't know that was happening which is fine, but the whole media center whipped around and looked at me and I was like, it wasn't me! There's only

one person that could have been you know, it's me, or a child I mean, and there weren't any children in the car, so it was me. What's great though about your story and about you is I imagine you next to these big lumbering athletes right? These guys who are

Rounded shoes like 7 foot 12 Yeah You know your tennis Here you come this petite thing And you're asking these hard hitting questions I don't mean it in a bad way You're asking these hard hitting questions Sometimes

Yeah sometimes And they gotta look and go And then you Like you said these stories That you have to go into Going into this situation Of Sorry excuse me

Going into these locker rooms, into the psyche of these people, takes a real sort of special personality. When did you think that you were the type of person that would be capable of that? That's a good question. Okay, so I'd probably dial it right back to my first ever job was at the Oakville Beaver. Great community newspaper. Yes. Right? Oakville Beaver.

Loved it. Such a good experience because it's such a small newspaper. So I was an intern there. The news guy got sick. Stephen Harper was rolling through town. I had to sit down with Stephen Harper, like sweaty intern. Yeah. Your first interview with Stephen Harper?

Not my first interview. First I was like at art galleries or I don't even know what I was doing at. I don't know. So, okay, first time I went into a pro locker room was Damon Allen is from Oakville. And I always wanted to cover sports, but I was on the arts and entertainment beat. which did not go well for me. I once went to an art show, and I was like, oh, you guys are still setting up, and it was like a piece of art.

But it was straws on a mat. In my defense, it was like straws on a mat. I thought they weren't done. That's a thing? Do you have a picture of that? No. I wish you did. I didn't even think I had a phone back then, you know? It was really long.

I don't think she wanted to commemorate that moment. That too. Yeah, that wasn't the right fit for me. That was pretty clear. Anyway, so I was kind of following Damon Allen a lot, and he was about to break a passing record of some sort. Warren Moon's passing record. Yeah, of some sort, all time.

Okay, big deal. So I went to the Argo game that day, and I think it was Beth Waldman, if I remember correctly, was Argo's PR woman, and I told her I wanted to talk to him after the game, and I had never been in a locker room before. Like, I don't know anything. And she just put this pass around my neck

and pushed me through the door and said, keep your eyes on the ground. literally literally um and i don't think i got the impression being in there that they hadn't seen a woman in that locker room in quite some time maybe ever i don't really know because there was like a bit of shock when i walked over and damon allen actually addressed it and he was like oh my gosh christina what what what can i can i answer your questions and i was like sure and there was like a scrum of people around him um so i asked like four questions then ran out but after that i feel like everything else has been easy you know because that was pretty that was

different once you get past like the first one yeah and then you just get used to it i think yeah i mean you're in somebody else's room i i think about it a lot i played hockey in university and we never had reporters walk in i think if we did we would all be like this is our space what are you doing here right you know so it and it is kind of a sacred space right that's the athlete that's your that's a home of your team yeah and it's become a little different right like it seems like most teams have their locker room and then they have this space where they actually hang out and this is where they go to talk to media and kind of put their stuff on but they have this other area but anyway yeah so that's when i thought i guess i can do this because i just did

because you just walked in and did it was awkward yeah so wow and then that's the i think that's what we love your writing is, is, and this is the funniest thing. You know, I don't think we make enough of in this, in this age that we have right in this, in the era that we're in, uh, writing is so prolific, right? There's so much out there. We don't make enough of the great writers. There are a lot of people writing. There are not a lot of great writers. And one of the things that I think is a real shame, especially in sports writing is the fact that we don't make superstars of the journalists anymore. We don't see, we don't, we don't pick those people out and go, these guys are the best ones. You know, some of them do, but I feel like it's, it's always like, well,

you know, here's Ken Rosenthal, sorry, Rosenthal from, you know, from Fox and we like him and he blogs, but he doesn't write articles. And I think that we need to sort of get back to that because I think it's really quite important. And what the thing about your writing is that it really pulls you right into the narrative. And, and that's the, that's the fun thing about writing it. So when you talk about stories when you look back on your career so far who's the

what's the most like the moment where you're like wow this is I just got into that person's head and I'm going to

write this story and I'm so excited about this or what was that thing? That's a tough one. I might say Jose Canseco. That's an interesting

head to get into. Did you get lost in that head? That's a scary head. It's just full of tweets. No grammar I've never had A more insane

Work experience than that So I went to Las Vegas And spent two days with him Maybe we'll just Get this out of the way He asked me to fake An orgasm on the golf course Okay

Why? You want to get What? I'm glad you addressed that Alright, alright So hold on I don't know why that was Can we, alright

We're going to be here This is a podcast This is not radio This is not TV So we got time Tell me what the circumstances were that led up to Jose Canseco asking you to do that. Okay, so there was a bit of a lead up in that. So I pitched a story on him.

I'm just mindful of my best. Yeah, my mom was really shocked. I didn't do it, for the record. Couldn't, no. Well, no. So I pitched a story on him because he was tweeting about wanting to be invited to the All-Star Game. So trying to get votes, even though he's not on the ballot, trying to make his return. And somehow I got a hold of his agent and I spoke to him on the phone and he was like, oh, you're Canadian.

Nobody will read it. Sure. Come on down and visit. That was basically what he said. You're from the podunk village of Toronto. And so I went with a photographer and I think this was day one, actually. And he he really was intrigued by my voice. He was talking about it a lot, and I was like, okay, you'll get used to it, I swear.

And then he was golfing with these two kids that he played poker with. I guess you could call them friends, but I probably wouldn't. They were just so excited to be golfing with Jose Canseco, right? And his biceps are still like double pythons, and he's got these gleaming white teeth and this tan. You could just throw him in a uniform, and you wouldn't even flinch. A walking baseball card. yes yeah seriously or just like a big superhero cartoon that's what he looks like um so they were golfing and i think he was like trying to impress his friends and he was talking about my voice and

trying to get me to say different things like i'm not a parrot um and and then he was like oh i wonder what it would sound like and that's when he got oh my god and then he so he wanted to turn into, like, a 99-cent ringtone. You know, he had all these ideas for this money he could make. Is this a movie? So, Jose, so his head is really full of tweets then, right? Because that's something he would

tweet, right? I'm going to get people to say things and make it into a ringtone. I'm Jose Canseco. He should end every tweet with, I'm Jose Canseco. Yes, he should. So, I did not pick him based on your question about whose head did I feel like I got

into i i spent two days with him and at the end of it like i found that he was he's a really it was quite sad like he's lost everything he doesn't really have family around him he was about to sign this other baseball contract and baseball's kind of destroyed him and it's the love of his life and he still felt like he could hit home runs and he wanted this other chance so it was a very sad story but it did open with him asking me to fake an orgasm right of course did you did you write that part yeah okay so i came back and i think the magazine was like a year old and i i'd never really written anything that long before for it either so this was all very new and i told the editor in chief at that point it was steve mage lovely guy um and he was like you have to

put that in there and i was like oh i really don't want to and then he said well what is the first thing if you're calling a friend and you're telling your friend about what happened what's And I was like, yeah, you're right. So, yeah. And you led with that here. And we were like instantly, what? I know, sorry, sorry. What?

I wanted to get it out of the way. Yeah. So what did you, I feel like. That's not even one of the interviews I wanted to ask you about. No. I didn't even know you did that. No, I know you've got like a list. Oh, I know, I know.

The thing about Jose Canseco is he seems like he's one of those people that's got a billion and hanger-on-ers, and you know, there's people that just kind of you know, that are just there to sap off the success or former success of this guy, who used to make a lot of money. He's one of those hippos that just sits in the river with a bunch

of birds on his back. Yeah, yeah. They have a symbiotic relationship, and they just pick bugs off of him. Honestly, when I look at Justin Bieber and the way he's lived some of his life, I feel like he's going to be the same way. Honestly, no, no, no. Well, there is, because these people, you know, that I feel like that with, I mean,

And there's a lot of celebrities that have that. Lindsay Lohan's another one. I think Justin could go either way, right? Lindsay Lohan's another one with these people around her that are just not great. And he seems like a guy that wants to do well but just doesn't know how. Is he exhausting? Like, were you exhausted at the end of those two days? Yeah, of course.

Well, it just takes – it took a lot of energy. It takes a lot of energy to hang out with somebody like that, right? Yeah. And there was one point we were shooting him and he just showered and he had these potential business partners over and they were talking about money and he has this big dog and we wanted the dog in the picture

and he just looked like this unhappy cartoon and we're trying to take pictures of him. And at one point the photographer was like, can you smile? Can you put your shoulder down? Whatever photographers do to get their perfect shot. And he kind of lost it on the photographer and he was like, you're not money, they're money,

pointing at these business guys. So he was like, my focus is on these people because they could give me money and you're not paying me you know so so that part you know imagine saying moody yeah i really liked him is the thing like at the end of it i really liked him because i felt like he was i i can't properly explain it but i just felt like he so he had these people living in his house and they were friends of his ex-girlfriend like he's doing everything he can to help people he goes to the batting cages and he met up with this kid with special needs and it really wasn't like a politician

photo op he does this every week um so i feel like there's a good person in there it just doesn't know how to make that person the person all the time yeah and he's also he's good at making money like he he is he's taking advantage of every opportunity right so his crazy persona on twitter is just a crazy persona, you know? And it gets him attention, right? Gets him in nice places. So he's not really like that? He's a little bit like that.

He's a little bit like that? Okay, so he's not hamming it out that much. I think part of that's got to be authentic, right? Yeah. You can't make that up. I don't want to defend him too much, but I don't want to rip him either, right? Like, he was genuine with me,

and he was honest about his life. And he's been bankrupt, and he's two divorces, and he's also super inappropriate. But, like, I don't know. It's a balance between all of that. Does he seem lonely? Is that what he has all these people around him?

He's lonely, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I don't know if he's still with—he'd just broken up with Layla, who was—after I left, became his fiancée. Oh, so they got back together. Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah, it is nice. Yeah.

And his daughter, he really cares about his daughter, whose name is Josie, which is the best. And I think she's a model or something. Yeah, she's an Instagram star. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so, anyway. Long answer, sorry. Did you just get it?

Oh, wow! Ask Christina Patz him on the back. I've got to get this coffee in me. It's one in the afternoon. I know, I know. I was at the cottage all weekend. Steve, you have

a bunch of names in your mind that, and I'm going to give you a moment here because I know you're coughing. We've got about seven minutes here before we go to break on the first part of the first segment of the show. What are those names that you want to talk to Christina about?

We've got to go through this list. Literally, we're just going to be that cut and dry about it. Okay, the top two to prioritize. Phil Kessel, for sure. You did a long one on Phil Kessel. And John Scott, which is

one of the best damn things I've ever read. It's such a good feature. So we're going to do Phil now. And then when we come back from break, we'll do John Scott. But let's talk about that Phil Kessel. Is there anything specifically? Well, one thing you sort of, you started to touch on, Adam, but a lot of people write today. A lot of people write, you know.

And that's a good thing, by the way. It's a great thing. Please don't be offended by the fact that I said everybody writes and not everybody's good at it. Professionally, there's amateurs, you know, people who are finding their way. Totally. Development. The only way to become a better writer is to write. Exactly.

oh yeah it takes time yeah I'm still working you know and I've been doing it for 10 years I don't know

a while your experience it hasn't been 10 years to be fair it hasn't I've been in broadcasting 10 years it's not that bad

is it? yeah but you're freaking Doogie Howser you started when you were 12 yeah 18 yeah you're right

but you you are you are something that's I think rare today and that's you have writing that

I know I'm sorry you have writing that you need to make time for you can't read it in passing you can't no you have to you're sitting down and enjoying this you're not

this isn't you're making time for it yeah yes you have to make time it's a feature and it's called the big read that's sort of what the magazine does

there's at least one story in every magazine where you just have to sit down and enjoy it and they're always good like not to pump our tires but they're well we invest in them and we send people places and we do lots of interviews

and they're good stories. So Phil Kessel, is he the most misunderstood sports personality or non-personality, depending upon who you ask, to come through Toronto ever? Ooh, ever in Toronto. He's up there. He's definitely up there. I think people just didn't know him while he was here. I think people still don't really know him

because he doesn't really let you get to know him, right? He's kind of like a deer in headlights when you get a camera on him, which is what he was like in Toronto the whole time. He wasn't worth talking to, right, while he was here. He wasn't a good quote. And yet when he didn't talk and didn't give you the same damn quote night after night, people lost their minds. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

And what I love so much about that article is, you know, very early on in it, he's asking you, a reporter slash writer, why you're asking him questions. So what happened there? I want to know about all the behind-the-scenes stuff with this. Okay, so do you want how it started? Sure. Okay. So it was supposed to be, the Leafs were supposed to make the playoffs that year.

I can't even remember what year it was. I want to say 13. Does it matter? I want to say 13, 14. The year after they made it. Oh, the Clarkson years. Yeah. Year.

It was looking like they were going to make it, and I actually got assigned this story by an editor. So he was going to be sort of our look at the Leafs heading into the playoffs. And then, of course, they go on this slide. But I was still kind of, you know, pursuing an interview with him. And I had spoken to his agent, and his agent had said, yeah, Phil knows you're coming. You have 10 minutes today. Go to practice. I would show up at practice, and Phil would disappear.

And then I would ask Leafs PR, and they'd be like, yeah, Phil's not talking today. And I would explain, you know, I spoke to his agent. Like, I knew his agent's phone number off by heart at this point. um so that happened three times and i remember james reimer was like don't take it personally tyler bozak told me to change my story and then my story kind of became told you to change your story yeah he's like maybe you should write about something else like don't do it on phil yeah because he's not going to talk to you and i was like and that's this is why we talk to you about him tyler all the time right yeah that's phil's real agent or was yeah really his pr rep yeah so

then of course they don't make the playoffs so we're not doing that story I get a call from his agent in the summer um and he's like okay we have to get Phil in front of you we know this is like three strikes like just try once more go to this practice in the summer it's training camp so I go and Phil is sitting there and he's taking off his shin pads and the the room's open and he's always like the first guy off the ice so usually he's not even there by the time the room's open but The room's open. So he pretended that he knew I was coming. And he was like, how long do you need?

And I was like, 15 minutes. And then we sat down for an hour. Wow. Yeah, and he was so candid. I'm going to stop you right there because it's a perfect tease to go into break with. So what it was like, what candid Phil Kessel was like, we will talk about that next on the Steve Dangle Podcast on Sportsnet 590, The Fan. And, of course, if you download it on a podcast, it's podcast.

And the internets. And the internets, LOL. We kind of just left you on a cliffhanger Christina Rutherford is in the studio She's a writer for Sportsnet Magazine and Sportsnet.ca And you do the longer pieces The things where you get really in depth with people And one of the people you talked to

And Steve brought this up Was Phil Kessel So you go into this practice facility In the middle of the summer after missing him three times Because he wouldn't talk to you And then you walk up to his locker You say can I have 15 minutes Because we want to do this

And he proceeds to talk to you for an hour And you got probably the most candid Phil Kessel we might have had while he was in Toronto. That could be true. I don't know that he ever talked to anybody for longer than five minutes, you know, otherwise, while he was in Toronto. So, yeah, we kind of went around a corner and he sat in a computer chair. We were outside the equipment room. And I had spoken, at this point, I had spoken to, honestly, ten people about him. So I'd spoken to Blake Wheeler, one of his best friends, and he was like, just talk to him about his dog.

He'll talk for days about his dog. So I think I started, I think I led with Stella, his dog, and then it just went from there. I was just asking him weird questions like, what's in your fridge? What's the last concert you went to? Asking about his siblings. His mom told me that he did gymnastics, and he was so embarrassed about that. He was quite the little gymnast. He was like, don't put that in there.

Obviously I did. But yeah, it was like talking to your neighbor, almost, if you had a lot of weird questions for your neighbor. But it was very comfortable. I do. I have a few questions. What's in your fridge? Yeah. What do you think, having that conversation with him,

what do you think most people would be surprised about when it came to Phil? What was the thing that, you know, maybe there was a perception of lack of character, lack of care, like lack of, give a S. we're on the radio part so I can't actually say give a darn

to Phil and I mean we're not believers or subscribers to that on this podcast we just think he was quiet and introverted which people are

what do you think was that thing that would surprise people I think so part of it I think part of the reason he was misunderstood

is because he's super shy and I think he has some kind of I don't know he just like freezes or I don't know

what happens maybe he's getting a little more comfortable but a lot of people are like that right in the spotlight and he's in the biggest hockey market on the planet and he's the guy and i feel like he just didn't handle it well um but to question whether he cares i mean after talking to him i would never question whether he cared and you could like i don't know talk about

his lack of back checking but if you if you listen to him talk about how much he cared about hockey in the city and the feeling of what it was like when they were in the playoffs like that's all he wanted you know and you could you got that sense sitting down with him for sure so that's one thing but also that he has a personality at all I think that's probably the most surprising thing because I don't think um I don't think fans ever saw that you know they didn't know Phil the way they knew Dion Phaneuf or the way they thought they knew Dion Phaneuf while he was here you know he just wasn't open about anything that's how closed off Phil Kessel was that you thought Dion Phaneuf was what he should strive to be

personality-wise. Didn't we see, like we saw the inside of Dion Phaneuf's closet at one point? He had so many pairs of shoes. I felt like I got to know him. Just yanking the teeth

out of his head, though, Christina. I know. Phaneuf played ball. The one thing I will always respect with him is he played ball. But God, you can tell he hated every second of it. Yeah.

And Kessel wasn't about... He just wasn't even playing ball. He wasn't even a short of the game. No. And Blake Wheeler actually called him a genius. He was like, he's so bad with the media that people at this point don't really want to talk to him. Like, he's a genius.

He just goes and hides. And they talk to somebody else. And it's true. That's what happened most of the time. When you, specifically in that conversation, you know, in these conversations, when you do interviews, right? At least for me, they kind of flash, right? You do it and they're done and you're like, holy smokes, unless it's a terrible interview. Wait, what just happened?

Yeah, unless you're a terrible interviewer and you're live on camera and five minutes feels like five years. But, you know, when you're sitting down and you're actually, you had a conversation with him and there was no cameras there. What from that conversation that you had stood out specifically? Hmm. I think probably when he was talking about when he had cancer. Because we were kind of going through his career and leading up to everything. And he was kind of, he kind of glossed over that a little bit. Like he said, yeah, it was tough, but you do what you have to do.

And then. The most Phil answer ever. Yeah. And it was very, yeah, it was like reverting back to. Do what you got to do. He talks about cancer like it was a bad pinch. Yeah. It was an inconvenience.

Honestly. He missed a pass. Yeah. Yeah. And his mom had told me, you know, she was never more proud of him than when he went up in front of a room of reporters and told people to get their checkups and and talked about his own experience but um 19 and yeah like crazy for him to to go through that um obviously but he sort of leaned back in his chair and then he was like yeah i cried and he kind of talked about how emotional

it was and that surprised me because i thought i just never thought i was gonna get i don't know i like we were talking about what's in his fridge and how much he loves his dog and i didn't feel like we were going to get to anything kind of emotional. So that surprised me for sure. That's interesting. That's really, because he's he's just, he's a bit of an enigma even for the

and obviously we were always huge fans of him here but he's still an enigma. He's still that, there's always going to be, and Steve did a video right after he left, you know, how we wasted that era and wasted that talent because we didn't surround him and arguably did the same thing with Matt Sundin when he was here.

At least they got a couple conference finals yeah for sure and they by the way could buy their way to that at that point right um but as soon as it came to you know having a real an unbelievable talent he we just didn't surround him with much and and it's it's almost like a what could have been you know what if what if phil kessel was on the leafs now that's right that's a good looking team and the thing is the thing is they didn't have to trade him and the least would still probably look like the team They do right now. They maybe not have Austin Matthews.

You know, you have 30 or 40 more goals. You're probably not spending. You're not probably getting Austin Matthews. But you have Nylander. You have Marner. And it's an interesting what if for this team. And obviously, he's gone on. He's won his cup.

And that's amazing. When you saw him win, were you like, hell yeah? Yeah, absolutely. Good for you. Yeah, I was happy for him, for sure. I mean, yeah, I liked him. I really liked him, sitting down with him. It was a fun conversation.

And honestly, there was no pretentiousness. Like, I didn't feel like I was sitting down with one of the best hockey players on the planet, which sometimes when I am sitting down with one of the best hockey players on the planet, oh, I know, I know that I'm sitting down with you, right? And I did not—honestly, he could have been my neighbor. That's how it felt. It was just, like, very comfortable conversation, and I like that about him, you know? Do you know about certain, like, legends about him, like, if they're true?

There was one I heard where he didn't have time to clean his condo or whatever, so he just left it really messy. And the cleaning lady or whatever came in, and he's like, sorry, I left it so messy and just left her a check for like four grand. Oh, my gosh. Wow. I didn't hear that. I don't remember who I heard that from.

I feel like that was on the podcast once. I don't remember that one. A long time ago. Well, it wouldn't be any shock if I didn't remember it. I have a terrible memory. but that's that's I mean that's

that's one of those guys you just we just wish we could have seen could unlock that and we saw it in Pittsburgh and it's kind of like

another one in Toronto yeah and I would say you know to the listeners not from Toronto and some of the ones that are you'd be surprised

how many people in Toronto media Toronto sports media who are you know evil devil people I think the vast majority well, in the eyes of people, right? I think the vast majority, when Kelza won, were like,

yeah, that's awesome. Almost every single one I've talked to. I think there's two or three that really were not stoked about it, and that's who everyone associates Toronto with. Those two or three, yeah. I think he's just such a damn fantastic story. So let's, I mean, Steve, you brought it up. John Scott.

Like, how is this not the most read sports article of all time? So what do you love about this? Well, let's talk about this. She went to Newfoundland and got screeched in with John Scott. And for everybody that doesn't know what screeched in means, for our American listeners especially. Oh, so you go to Newfoundland and you become an honorary Newfoundlander by going to a bar.

I believe you have to have some kind of piece of meat. I forget what it's made of. Is it not a trout? I have the worst memory, too. It's like ham or something. Oh, you fit in perfectly here. Ham that was on a stick. Or kielbasa?

It was ham or kielbasa on a toothpick. I didn't even taste it. You eat the ham. You do a little song. We've been drinking. Thank you. No, in Newfoundland? I don't know.

You do a little dance and a song. You kiss a cod. Oh, that's it. On the mouth. On the mouth. And then you do a shot of Newfie Screech, which is an especially strong rum that they have in Newfoundland. The percentage is only like 46%.

Like, it's not, like, 151 proof or anything, but... Kind of like a rocket going off in your head? There is something magical about it. Then you get a certificate for your fridge. Do you? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We had ours, like, in this corner of the bar

trying to keep them pristine, you know? Yeah. Don't spill any of it on us. So hard. Just laminate every one of them. Yeah, right? Right there. Here's your placemat.

So you did this with John Scott. Yeah. Which is, I mean, here's the thing. we hated him after what he did to Kessel right but then this year

could it's so funny how life works because we could not have been bigger fans of what happened with the All-Star game it was the best

crazy fun it was the best story for hockey it really was and the NHL tried to get in the way of it and they traded him

and they did everything that they could to make that not happen because the NHL hates fun and we know that but for you when you talked to John

and this was before all of this right no this was after it was after oh okay it was while he was With the St. John's ice caps. Yeah, he'd just been, I think he'd been there a week when we got there, or two.

Oh, my God. Yeah. So right at the height of it. At the height of it, yeah. Yeah. Tell me. Tell us. Okay.

What do we need to know? So, yeah, John Scott, I don't want to use a neighbor example again, but he's such an everyman. Like, he talks about his kids a lot. But we got there, I think I got there just before a game was starting, met the PR guy who was swamped, has never had more requests in his life. What's happening here was awesome. And he was lovely. I don't think

he got screeched in, but he drank a lot with us. It was really fun. The PR guy or John Scott? Both. The whole team was out. It was so fun. Okay, so we got there during a game, photographer and I, and we met.

We watched John Scott go into the locker room after the game and like slam his stick they've lost it was not a good game and i thought oh this is not gonna go well because i hadn't really told him what my plans were he knew that we were coming there we're gonna have a lot of fun it's not something you tell someone in a bad mood so i did it anyway um he came back out and um i told him i was like i was thinking we could get you screeched in and we could go to signal hill and do all this touristy stuff with you and just spend like a couple days in newfoundland with john scott and he was like awesome come to my house this is my

phone number pick me up at this time like a true newfoundlander come to my house here's my phone number my door's unlocked yeah and his door was unlocked i bet it was i'm not surprised yeah so yeah we we spent the day with him went up to signal hill i had like a little video camera i was following around he was playing tour guide he did a bunch of videos for us um we did we took his dry cleaning in we let him we gave him time to have a nap because we felt like we were really in his face for most of the day because we were um went out for dinner got screeched in which was the i don't know top three moments that i think i've ever seen was john scott kneeling on the floor looking as though he's standing because he's 18 feet tall and he was kneeling beside this

bachelorette girl from i'm not sure where but she was pretty minute you know so she just looked like i can't even i can't do justice to the scale um and just how excited he was like he was like a six-year-old kid um when this fish came around gave it like seven kisses so we could get different pictures at this point the cod's frozen at this point it's like dripping on the floor we're in this old bar called christian's bar there's like music playing there's a guy in a rain suit that's been dancing and singing for us it was just like i'm getting paid for this what right it's amazing good work day yeah well and it's it's first of all it's such a testament to newfoundland because it's impossible not to have a good time in st john's like it's just you just can't it's it's

the best um but the uh are you are you from the east coast i know i wish where are you from from here well it's not that bad we're all from here too i know it's so boring it is yeah i guess the the where are you from exotic ontario yeah tropical pickering where we're from in toronto um the west end uh oakville no um like close to high parkish area oh that'd be the big one oh you're like toronto central toronto yeah i went to humberside which is where michael grange jeff Merrick, like there's a lot of Erica Diamond, all these Sportsnet people went to Humberside. Yeah, well, Paul Tracy

went to our high school, and so did the Barenaked Ladies, so you can, yeah, so we came from a talent pool too, so, yeah, I mean, we're not. But the, I think, you know, the thing about John at that time is, I mean, it was really all eyes on him, even when he was in the

AHL. When he talked about that to you, what were your, what did you get that he was taking in at that time? Like, how do you think he felt about it was he uncomfortable with it was he having a good time with it was it he upset by it like what what was it so he was having a good time but okay so remember his wife was pregnant with twins and it was the least ideal situation that you can possibly dream up really um and he didn't have you know the kindest things to say about coyote's management and how that was dealt

with and i think you wrote he wanted to strangle don maloney so sounds like the ownership did too that's how they got rid of him so that's funny because we we talked a few times and a few times he was just talking and i wasn't sure if he wanted to be on the record and um i just felt like anything i wasn't sure about i was going to send him so i sent him a couple paragraphs and they were pretty strong like him saying he wanted to strangle somebody that's quite strong and somebody actually was reading it like copy editing it and said i don't know that this is okay but um i sent him like all this strong language that he'd used and he just wrote me back that's great with like three exclamation awesome so he was very candid um it was not ideal he was having fun though he

he liked the team but um he just wanted another shot in the nhl obviously still does right still does yeah and if i mean if he got yeah there were a couple of ideal situations but it would all have to be good for his family right like it was all about his family and making sure his wife wasn't overwhelmed and which she probably was i mean oh my i can't imagine i cannot imagine story he met he joked with you about his point streak so did he care about being perceived as a skilled player and not just a tough guy um i don't think he wanted that's a good question i don't know that he i don't think he ever thought anybody would perceive him as a skill player like he certainly knew his role but i also don't think he saw himself as this enforcer that just came in to fight

although he talked about his fights and was like pretty happy he was two and oh he was like i'm two um but yeah i don't think i don't think he was necessarily comfortable with that being his soul identity right which at that point it it still it kind of was it was and then all-star game happened and then his identity just became like the greatest story literally a long time character yeah disney character yeah it was insane when they lifted him on their shoulders at the end i was just like what who's making the movie but it's so nice yeah and they will they have to but I think the thing that

got us about that whole thing yeah they hated the NHL hated that yeah Coyotes hated that Montreal Canadiens

they hate anything fun and it's so amazing that against all of that that all happened and so I guess you know it was a not ideal time

and that sort of thing do you think John with your perception of him do you think John will go into broadcasting after it's all done yes yeah

do you think he'll be a pretty good broadcaster okay yeah we had a little camera there and i i don't even remember if i gave him like any warning i just kind of like put it in his face while he was at the bar and i was like and i asked him to basically promote the story and tell people what they're going to be reading so we could put on our website and he just like fired off this minute-long beauty hit stop all right we're set Really? That's not easy.

That's hard to do. That's really hard. Yeah, yeah. No, but he's great. We have to go on the radio portion of the Sportsnet 590 The Fan Steve Dangle podcast. However, we are going to talk a lot more about your career, your life, Christina.

We're going to get right into the personal details where you grew up. No, I'm kidding. Who your first boyfriend in high school was. What's in your fridge? What is in your fridge? But that'll be on the podcast portion, which you can download at sportsnet.ca

or if you've got Google Play, If you've got iTunes Whatever That's where you can find this show It's brought to you by Panago Pizza It's what's on the inside that counts As we saw with John Scott And we will be right back

For everybody listening online Steve you still want You still have some questions About Johnny Scott I know You're like Oh we can move on to this That and I'm like

No I'm not done Go Because there's all these All these things like We text back and forth And I've been putting off Talking to you about certain things Because I'm like

We got to talk about it on the show You are really good at kind of articulating a moment and and and a mood um and there was one in particular that really stood out to me in the john scott piece and it was it was written almost like it was a movie where um he's talking to betman at the all-star game and betman goes are we good but then there's this long pause where scott just stares at him Mm-hmm. How did he articulate that to you?

I know how you wrote it, but... So I think at that point we were eating breakfast. It was honestly like in between mouthfuls. He ate part of my breakfast. Did you have a choice in that matter? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm a pretty, I have a good appetite, but it was really big.

So yeah, he ate, I think he ate like a couple sausages right off my plate. No problem. Just reached over. Very comfortable. With his bare paws. Yeah. so how did he articulate that yeah i mean he was he wasn't exactly careful in his words as you saw like he wanted to strangle somebody and he said it um yeah you could tell that it wasn't the most

pleasant interaction for him but that he didn't really care you know like after his his wife said you have to do this this will be a huge moment in your life it could open up things in your career It was kind of in his mind that he's doing this And it sort of Bettman wasn't really going to get in his way Unless he totally did Unless he could Unless Bettman could absolutely

Prevent him from going He could have Unless he chose to In Gary Bettman's position His job is to protect the owners Which he does a good job of But Gary Bettman also knows That if you rob the all-star game

Of that I think he finally got it I don't think he understood the temperature of the room and I don't think Gary Bettman's good at reading the temperature in any room he walks into but I think even he couldn't you couldn't walk away from the swell of just the passion

behind it and anytime if you're running a company anytime you can get passion behind your product at all you go with it right so Bettman as the villain in this story and I would say the head villain and Maloney's the henchman and so is Bergevin

and he was a party to it, there was a real good versus evil thing going on. The real narrative there, and I think that's the easiest narrative to sell. For sure. And to get back to your question, there are parts of that conversation that didn't make it into the magazine.

Could they make it onto the podcast? No. Fair enough. Fair enough. No, that is understandable. So what you need to do, podcast listeners, is you need to get Christina Rutherford out and get her drunk, and then...

And then maybe we'll hear some stuff. Do you feel like getting screeched in again? I would. I would. I got a fish in my freezer. Let's go. So, okay, we were talking between breaks about how we can find your stuff, and we didn't seem to really know.

Well, the best part was that you were like, I don't know. It's on the website. So you go to sportsnet.ca, and then I think you can search. No, not I think. You can search authors. so you could search my name and then a big list should come up

so you can do that or you can do what I do often which is like type in the name of the interview you want to read like John Scott

and then your name Christina Rutherford or Phil Kessel and there's also a feed burner thing there or not a feed burner but the feed like an alerts

that you can set up when you like writers on the Sportsnet website so that it'll actually send you a blast so if you if people care to do that that's the way to do it

that's how I looked at it like I went to I just I've googled your name because it's easier to google your name and then go to Sportsnet that's how I get to

my own blog the Steve Dangle blog it's so much easier and then it it was just like a full list of everything you've done okay

so handy yeah I mean it's the stories that you tell are are really kind of they're just

they're fun because they're beyond the nuts and bolts right you actually get when I was reading your Bouchard article right

which was not a long form thing it was just it was an article I felt like I was sitting right beside her listening to her, these conversations especially when you, right at the beginning when you talk about

when Jeannie really felt like she came into her own and that first quote where it says I don't know you know, and that's, the fact that you included that it's like, boom, I'm right there I'm in it, and that's what, the beauty of your writing, and that's why it's so much fun to read

and it's really good with, sorry there was another one the john scott go bring it up bring it up where um you were talking about like how um how he's feeling uh you know being so far away from his twins and just like i know exactly how he said it like stressed you know yeah he was stressed out yeah yeah he was trying to remember which twin had a birthmark how he tells him apart you know like yeah it was a really difficult time for him for sure they built this nest you know in arizona they're like all right yeah this is this is our base this is where we're having these twins and ah you're traded yeah thanks baloney don baloney

don baloney um christina when you when you looked when you started out what was if you could name a person that you would have traded lives with because you wanted that career in terms of like you know the goal of what you wanted to be right what did you want to be what did you initially started going you know when you worked at the beaver what did you hope that that would lead to ah that's a good question i've never actually i mean i read growing up i read um chickadee and owl magazines and sports illustrated for kids and i always wanted to write for sports illustrated for kids so i probably would say i mean when i was in school and thinking about yeah i want to be a sports writer in journalism school i probably would have said sports illustrated

because nothing existed at that point in Canada that was even close, right? We have specialty magazines in this country, obviously, for every sport you can think of, but we didn't really have a general sports magazine. And then it was just kind of lucky timing in that I was working for a golf magazine, Score Golf, which was great. Wow.

Bob Weeks, yeah. Peter Robinson, Jason Logan, all beauties. How many people came from Score? Who do you know? I interned at ScoreGolf for about two or three weeks. You did? Oh, why was it so short? It was like, it's near the airport, right?

It's hard to get to. It was a long haul in my 96 Ford Tourist Dictionary Wagon. Yeah. Hot car, no air conditioning. It was tough to get to. But great place. But anyway, while I was there, Sportsnet started this magazine, which shocked me. I mean, like a new magazine in the 2000s.

They started it late. Yeah. Yeah. In this time period, right? Yeah, crazy. So, yeah, I jumped at that opportunity. Absolutely. And we know that, you know,

one of the things that you've been working on behind the scenes is something that I know, like we know you're super pumped about. And it, can we talk about it? Can we talk about this? Yeah, yeah. Okay, this is huge. All right, I'm not even going to blow it

by ruining it in the intro. Tell us. Okay, this is, yeah, the book. Yes. Okay. That's the book. Yes, that. I was like, do I have this other news?

I don't know. Okay, so the book's called Level the Playing Field, and then I think it's got a subtitle that's like... That's cool. I actually really like that answer. So is it just, so you're just, you're working on it. Yeah, no, it's actually, there is a real title, and it's been published, it's just not out yet.

It comes out in October. So Level the Playing Field, if you search that in my name, it's for sale on Amazon right now so you can pre-order it oh my god for Christmas and you know what Steve

you know what I love about this if either of us came out with a book we'd literally sell it the same way it's called this and we can't remember

the damn subtitle because it's called on YouTube and shit the past present and future of women's pro sports

that could be it and it's for kids and it's about women's pro sports and it's been published by Owl Kids which is awesome Maybe you're familiar with Owl and Chickadee magazines from when you were a kid because they were the best.

Owl, for sure. Yeah, so they also have a large book publishing division, and I was approached to write this book to basically explain to kids why women's pro sports and men's pro sports look so different. So the age that it's catered to is probably 10 to 16, but my parents read it, and they learned something. so how do you begin to explain that to that age group that's a that's because it's all business right it's all business yeah so it was actually at times it was kind of disheartening to see the actual statistics and the differences in wages i mean it's it's insane obviously um but we kind of broke it down and john crossing him was super helpful he's the editor um we broke

it down into five different chapters and it looks at a different facet of pro sports so it might be money might be the history um the big stars and kind of tackled it kind of piece by piece that way um but yeah it's a hard thing to explain but I think the the tone of the book it's optimistic because and I think it should be because I mean in in the last 10 years we've seen a ton of change and I mean you look at the last Summer Olympics the biggest star there was Jessica Ennis now Jessica Ennis Hill because she was

a local and she won the heptathlon which is just a ridiculous sport by the way why do people sign up for that I look at that and I'm like that sounds terrible to do once and you train for that and what do you want to do something hard and how can you be good at all those things

like how can you sprint and throw a javelin you know really far it's the overachievers really Shot put. I don't know. Javelin's one of those things where I'm like, how do you get good at that? Yeah. I don't know where to find a javelin.

Some high schools, for some reason, let you throw a javelin. Wow. They shouldn't. I know. They really shouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Running?

That's easy. Well, so this, and I'm not, so I was in New York this weekend. Nice. And I was doing a junket for Suicide Squad, which is part of the entertainment job that I do. One of the things that the director, David Ayer, said, he was asked about the cast. He was asked about, you know, if you look at that cast, it's a very multicultural, everybody's from a different background, different country, you know, everything. And, you know, he said, you know, I'm from the south of L.A. He's like, I was the one white kid in school.

And he said, you know, I married a Latina woman. He said, my daughter is therefore a Latina. And he said, it's important that we see people that we can visually identify with in positions that we want to achieve. And that was I thought it was really interesting way to answer that question, because he said, I he said, absolutely. It's important to me that this cast was more than just white people, basically. Right. And that's not to take away from from one race over the other. But when it comes to sports, I mean, that is the toughest thing that we always see with women's sports. these young girls cutting out of it at 14, 15 years old

because they don't see a future in it. You know, I've got a family friend of ours who was the captain of the Ottawa University, sorry, Carlton, the Carlton hockey team. And for her, who has been a standout her entire life, has always been the top, top rung of women's hockey, not at the level that you'd make the Olympic team, but right there.

Right. Right there. Well, there's like 22 spots. If you're number 25, it's tough luck, right? Exactly. Yeah. So there's nothing there except for now we're seeing the NWHL and the CWHL. And, you know, for you, how important is to furthering that, I guess, my question would be.

It's a really long question. No, it's hugely important. And I've honestly seen so many changes. So I grew up playing hockey. I've been playing since I was six years old. um and i i played like i still play but i played like a competitive level and i i coached high school hockey two years ago or three years ago at north toronto um and we had this meeting at the school and all these kids came in and they were on these teams i've never heard of and i was so

happy about that like there are probably i don't know how many more options for young girls who want to play hockey in the gta now and i i think that's happening everywhere and then you're seeing the nwhl you're seeing the cwhl they're actually getting paid now i mean that's massive strides and i think the more you're seeing that as a possibility the more advertisers are seeing it as a possibility to promote their products i mean it's sort of yeah until you see it you can't really picture it for yourself and that's happening more and more in lots of sports right and not just in north america did you uh talk to anyone in particular for that book because i know the u.s women's soccer team has been like huge on the uh you know the equal pay well because they bring in

more money it's ridiculous like the men's is like why do they get paid more it's where are they ranked oh god do they make there's a video from i think i think the daily show did it and they're like they talked about the fact that the women's soccer team players were talking about the fact that when they win they get like $1,300 when the men win they get like $20,000 or something

like it's crazy it's insane but what I've noticed about the states like walking around Chicago a couple years ago I was struck by how many massive ads I saw

about women's soccer like they really promote their athletes I don't think we do a good enough job in Canada in general we don't do a good enough job

of promoting anything in Canada we're just not good at the hype thing I think pick three or four and we go that's enough that's that

Christine Sinclair end of list that's who we have before that it was Hayley Wickenheiser and before that it was Cassie Campbell that's our one person so she's in the book Cassie Campbell so every chapter opens with an interview

and Cassie's the history she's not that old but she's the history chapter talking about all the changes she's seen and watching the first women get inducted into the Hall of Fame that wasn't long ago you know so um and it wasn't long ago there was no olympic dream i mean a lot has happened

in not a lot of time which is it's really encouraging but obviously there's still massive strides well and and for you um as a a female journalist in a traditionally especially sports especially sports very male dominated um is it important to you that people look to you and say i want to be just like her because it's not it's not an easy thing to get into period gender aside right yeah well actually i've talked to a lot of not a lot a few young women that want to get into sports journalism and i always tell them just go after it because honestly there's fewer women in this industry and i think a lot of places like sports nets one of them is looking for females to write, to do, you know, sports journalism.

So I feel like it can kind of help you if you're a woman that's interested in this as a job. And of course it's possible. Oh my gosh, of course it's possible. How many people told you no? I don't think, I don't think anybody. No? I don't think so.

They wouldn't dare. I mean, good. Yeah, I don't think anybody ever said no. You can't, you're a lady. Yeah, I don't think anyone ever said that. So that's progress to me. And I think 20 years ago, if this was 20 years ago, I would have tons of no stories, you know? That's awesome.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, you know, Christina, I mean, I think, as I said before, you know, we've got to talk about, we don't do enough to talk about the great writers. And one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about is it seems, though, and I don't know that being in the spotlight is important to you. I don't think it is. Not at all. Which makes you an even better writer, by the way.

It makes me uncomfortable. Sorry, the Phil Kessel of writing. Writes hard. Writes hard, loves the writing. Loves the site. The thing, though, that I want to get your opinion on, and I understand you'll probably have to tread lightly on this question, is when journalists do develop a persona,

it seems as though they do it because they have a pile-on mentality. and not like I pile on somebody it's negativity it's this often times it's the

and we can just say it's the Stephen A. Smith Skip Bayless formula which is and they're not journalists but you can oh yeah really Skip

they they have this thing where it's like I'm going to say something outrageous because I know that will draw the ire of this group of people

and it'll blow my blow my article up clips wise artificial Artificially, artificially inflammatory. Yes, yes. Do you ever think about that and go, not that you would ever do it, but do you ever think about that and go, there's something weird about that system, there's something wrong about that system, or is it just a facet and you just kind of ignore it? I don't know that I would say there's something wrong with it.

I think it's supposed to spur conversation, and it does a really good job of that. Like sports talk radio, how one person has one opinion and the other person has the other, and then they fight. that's you know or they argue or sometimes they agree but a lot of times they disagree i feel like that's kind of an effort to get people talking and often it's unfortunately inane comments that get people super fired up that happens a lot and then a lot of clicks on an article that you just shouldn't be giving time to that that part frustrates me for sure um i like you sometimes Well, yeah, because the thing is you go and you tell these stories, and the stories are great, but then, you know, one of the notorious journalists around here, and I won't mention them by name because it doesn't matter. You know, if you weren't here, we would, but I don't want to put you on that spot because it would be uncomfortable.

Really? I'll just drink water while you tell me. Well, okay. Do we want to say? There, now the camera can't see you. So like a Steve Simmons A Dave Festchuck I can keep naming names How long can you drink before You know these people that come out

And they say these ridiculous things She had a crispy minis moment It must eat at you a little bit Because you've done these great stories These great stories And they're like here's my opinion And 60,000 Twitter followers later And all of those things that build a persona

and then make you seem like you're a big deal. And it seems artificially inflated. I think that's the way Steve put it. I think there's a place for those opinions. There's some great columnists out there, absolutely. And I think they all have moments where they're great. I mean, there's a reason they have their profile. And I don't think it takes away from the other writing.

I sometimes feel like sometimes reading is a little bit catered to clickbait, right? So if there's a, I don't know, a headline that's pretty compelling, you're going to click on it. Oh, we've spoken about this at length. We're all calling out. Yesterday, I was really disappointed in the score. Were they? Who, like I admire as a website.

PK Subban is telling jokes at a charity comedy event. Just for laughs. Just for laughs. The name of the freaking thing is Just for Laughs. And it's well-renowned. Everybody's heard of Just for Laughs. Yeah. And the title is

Subban Blasts 10 Things PK Said and You Won't Believe Number 6 Yeah Oh we love lists And some people did list his jokes

and whatever but like at least had the decency to mention like what it was for like the article didn't even cite that it was like

well I think it was raising money for the hospital Come on use your freaking head like and that article was clearly designed for that reason But I think

I think the people we need to be not critical of but it's the readers that we need to be I don't know, educating or to be able to discern the difference yeah

it's like tabloid newspapers I'll go to the checkout line with my fiancee Caprice and she'll be like oh my god like Kim Kardashian's pregnant again because it'll say it

on like Us Weekly or something stupid like that and I'm like Caprice Barack Obama's a bat no they need to sell

that magazine and she's like she'll come in and she'll say it's weird in a relationship she's like it's really weird having a fiance

or initially when we started dating boyfriend that knows more about entertainment than I do and gossip than I do but it's she's like

what's going on with this this and this and I'm like Caprice none of that's true how do you not see that but I get it too because I don't understand why you're allowed

to print those things. I actually don't get it. I don't either. What are the rules? There are no rules. Where are the rules? Where are the rules? Yeah,

and there's people that write this stuff and it's like, do you, do you feel bad about writing an outright, straight up lie?

Yeah. And that's the, I guess that's the, I guess you just get used to doing it. Yeah. Fair enough. That's so dark.

I'm sorry. It's so true though. No, like, That is so funny, though. How are you allowed to do that? Yeah, it's very, very true. I think the answer is, well, I mean, some of the tabloids, I don't know about all of them,

they just get sued all the time. But they can pay for that expense. But it goes back to the readers, right? The responsibility is on the readers. That's what I meant to say. That's the word. If that didn't sell, they wouldn't do it. Exactly.

Readers need to be more aware and go, I think this might be bullshit. And the problem is the more readers are clicking on these inflammatory headlines, the more websites are coming up with them, right? You're feeding that, right? You want clicks. You want advertising. So it's kind of a, I don't know, double-headed monster? And what I'm also seeing more and more now. No, it makes absolute sense.

Totally. What I'm seeing more and more now is the advice I give any aspiring writer is, well, just write. But what they do to start Is they imitate what they see the most And what are we seeing right now It's an explosion Clickbait horseshit Opinions from chairs

People keep Sending me tweets like oh what do you think about this trade rumor And they send me Fuckface with the question mark for Avatar And I'm like it's all made up They're making it up Somebody got physically He got so mad at me on Twitter

because I said that rumor is straight up not true. Because it came from what we see now are aggregators, right? So they'll take what they'll do is they'll pull like SoFlo Antonio is perfect for this in pop culture. Who's an idiot? But what they'll do is they'll take

you're the source, Christina, but I'm the Facebook page or the Twitter page who goes who reads your tweets and you report the story and you break the thing, you know, say the Leafs are looking at bringing Kessel back. Let's say that's the headline, okay? Then all I have to do is say

reports are the Leafs are looking at bringing Kessel back and I look like the guy that knows what I'm talking about and I'm not and I get sent those

the hockey writers news people or whatever it is all the time and I get people who are very frustrated with me when I say it's straight up not true where's the source and they don't list those sources

right again it goes back to where are those rules and we have to be able to as people who consume this we have to educate ourselves a little bit

on that Where's it coming from? For sure. And I think there are good aggregator-type sites out there that actually put in the full quote and put links to the original source. Well, yeah, that's called doing the news properly, right? Yeah, that's called journalism of some sort. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah.

Lame. Yeah. So, yeah, rules. So, yeah, rules. So, where do you want to go? Where are you going to end up? What are we going to see from you in 20 years? Oh, my God.

20 years? Yeah, what's your five-year plan? I hope to be on a dock somewhere. Amazing. Yeah, I don't know. That's not a bad plan. I would love to not have to come to an office. That would be my, yeah, my dream would just be to be at large, as they say.

In writing, I think, still. That should be the name of your website. Rutherford at Large. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know. What do you guys want to do? Spoken like a true journalist.

Doesn't want to talk to herself. I like your doc idea Yeah I could do the doc thing If we could do this podcast From the doc And produce everything that we do Honestly But from a doc

Why not I'd be fine with that Actually I'd be I've said this many times I'd be happy in Tampa I'd be really happy in Tampa We'd do all the same stuff That we do

But I could be in Tampa Cheering for your second team I'd go see the Leafs And cheer for them When they came to town But I would I would be able to afford Season's tickets there

It'd be great You know what I'm not done asking you About people you've spoken to Okay Do we have time Yeah Yeah.

Yeah, do you have time? Oh, yeah, I got time. Oh, these guys have a show to do. Yeah, we do. We kind of have to, we do have to kind of scoot here soon. My computer actually died before I got here, so. You what? I don't have time.

My computer died. Is it charged? Yeah, it's charged. It just went. Yeah. Oh, right. So in the, so we were supposed to have you on like a couple of weeks ago, and you actually, you had something blow up in that time, not your computer.

Your, your HAP story. Oh my God. Jay's Pitcher, J.A. HAP. Yeah. Yeah, you got a free milk jug, which I have not gotten. And I feel bad about that because have I lost? I have no ethics. I allowed them to send me a gift in the mail.

But it was a milk jug and I couldn't say no. I feel like that's okay. And this milk bag holder that's really cool. How dare you? You talk about clickbait and then you accept milk jugs. Who do you think you are? Walter Cronkite is so disappointed in you. Good night and good luck to your career.

Yeah. Can you retell the whole half story? Yes. Yeah, please do. Let's get to that. Thank you, Jesse. Right on track. So about the baseball player.

Yeah. So I've been planning to talk to J-Hap for some time, just an interview. So I do this for the magazine, too, at the back. There's a Q&A, and I always interview a different person, and it's really fun, usually. And for some reason, I was fixated on J-Hap because of this turnaround he's had, and I just wanted to find out what is happening. What is happening? Oh, my God.

Tell me that's the title. Terrible. The Happening. that just happened okay so we were talking and it was a pretty normal conversation and it wasn't really i wouldn't call it the most exciting chat i've had but i you know my fault um and then i asked him it's his second time in toronto so he's been in canada he's probably gotten used to how we do things here if it's any different sometimes it is um and asked him if there's anything he wasn't used to still and he just went off on milk bags and for 10 minutes

we talked about milk and i i mean i didn't know that it wasn't really popular everywhere if you go outside of ontario you will not find a milk bag in western canada yeah oh yeah it's not there yeah it's it's quite literally the dumbest way to do it yeah well i i don't think so i think it's awesome i love that you can get it in chocolate and vanilla as i call it um it actually you mean just milk yeah it actually just spurred this massive conversation and he didn't know that you're supposed to put it in a jug he was like where are the jugs do i buy the jugs how can i get the jugs so that's why the dairy farmers of ontario lovely people sent him care package with a jug in it and one of those um cutters that you put on your he won't know how to

use that put on your fridge and this um plastic thing that you put your three milk bags in fridge saver space saver because those exist um yeah but it it i've never seen anything like that like nothing ever ever just the scale of how much conversation there was and i know it was it was a really slow day in sports right it was just after the all-star game there's actually nothing the british rumors that was it yeah so if you're not a golf fan you were discussing bag milk it was it was crazy i couldn't believe it it is funny the weird things that people latch on to i did a i did a an interview with this girl i went to school with named gwen elliott and you know we were just talking about youtube and sports and all that stuff it's a 17 minute youtube video

And all the comments were about how I made her take off her shoes Because we were walking around my house in my socks Or in our socks And I'm like, I don't know, that's how we do it Yeah, it's a house No, but apparently in the rest of the world They just have muddy carpets Covered in garbage and grass and shit

They wear high heels around the house and stuff That's ridiculous That's weird It's crazy That's really strange We don't have shoes in the house and we have bagged milk Do you want to know why we take our shoes off? because it rains

and it snows here and it's that's why it's polite it's polite too are you going to go to somebody's house and track

who knows what you've been in that day exactly I don't want your whatever it is on your shoe would you lick the bottom of your shoe

no that's why I don't want it on my floor thank you I'm licking his floor yeah I can eat off my floor for that reason

except for my bottom of my feet which aren't probably much better but so anyway anyway one other player

sorry okay we yeah because we're tight here we're tight more i promise um i believe you said you spoke to jogger oh yeah oh what's that reaction about oh no it was the best it was the best yeah i think that's my favorite interview ever was that the audible history of yarmulke is that what the oral history yeah so we spoke to probably 10 or 15 people that have known him throughout his life Past teammates, former, I don't know, everything. Childhood friends, coaches. And I did this with Ryan Dixon and Garrett Joyce, who also worked for the magazine.

And I got to sit down with Yager. And it was, yeah. What is it about him? Like, there's a fascination with him. There always has been. But for a while, there was a real negative kind of, I mean, mid-career New York Rangers, Washington Capitals years. There was a real negativity that surrounded him. No, I guess not.

If you watch about seven years from now, Ovechkin will be a god. We will all appreciate the fact that he's still here. He'll have a Jager-like lore about him. It's the passing of time, I think. And it's the fact that his reputation has changed so much, and he hasn't given any effort into changing it, I don't think. He just does whatever he wants. Yes, and it's access to him.

Because you see, he's on Instagram or Snapchat, and he's Snapchatting himself on an extra bike on a Saturday night at 1 a.m. after the game. People admire that. And I don't think we got to see that years ago. Prior to social media. Yeah. Yeah. And before he spoke English really well, and before he was comfortable in North America. Let's be straight.

There was a lot of xenophobia back in the day, a lot more than there is now. He came from one of those commie countries, right? Those commie Yugoslavia countries. Ah, yes. So I think the reason that I enjoyed talking to him so much is that he—that's part of the reason. Like, his background is so interesting, and he's been through so much. Yeah. Like, he's been in the NHL.

He's left the NHL. He's come back to the NHL. He's 44. He leads his team in scoring. There's so much to him. And I asked him—I think all I asked him was, what was your childhood like? And he started talking about communism, and he said he could either be a hockey player or a singer. That's the only way he would have a better life for his family.

And then he said he did 1,000 squats a day starting from the age of 7. And I was like, I have never spoken to a more interesting person. Boom, that's it. I mean, age 7. And that's why his bum is so big. Any of those guys from the communist bloc is fascinating. I mean, the Fetisov documentary that they did, the Red Army documentary, is incredible.

Yeah, professional vibe, yeah. Incredible. Yeah. But yeah, so that's all in it, and we don't want to spoil the article completely. But one thing I thought was funny about Yager, which is a totally salacious and gossipy story, so excuse me on this one.

This is not above board at all. But the rumor is there's a young woman that he met at a bar one night. And this young woman and him went home together because he's single and she's single, and that's what adults do. And it turns out that this young woman was a model in the Czech Republic

and this is apparently a true story. I'm sure you've heard it. Oh, yeah. So, I guess when they woke up the next morning, she takes a picture of herself and him and he's sleeping. And then goes to him and says, I want you to pay me money to not release this. And he said, go ahead and

release it. And so she did. Turns out, she's dating the captain of the junior Czech national hockey team. Who grew up with Jager as an idol. Brutal. He does whatever he wants. What I have heard is it wasn't her pressing for ransom money. It was someone else who got a hold of it.

Okay, so then that's not fair to her. We only had 20 minutes. We didn't talk about that. No, I wouldn't imagine. But it's funny. Just that attitude. It's like, go ahead. What's going to bring me down at this point?

Yeah, nothing. Did he talk about why you wore 68? No. We didn't talk about that. I'd like to know why. It has something to do with, oh my God. I'm going to get ripped apart for not knowing this exactly. Something about an invasion of, I want to say, Prague or the Czech Republic by the Soviet Union.

Which wouldn't surprise him. Something about tanks. Oh, God, I suck. In the years. Thank you, Jesse. Jogger wears the number 68, which he has worn through his entire career in honor of the Prague Spring that occurred in Czechoslovakia in 1968. And his grandfather, who died while in prison. Oh, my God.

There we go. Thank you. I was drowning and you threw me a rubber duck. If you go into the history of Czechoslovakia, especially, but that era, that area, excuse me, where you've got like the former Yugoslavia, you've got the Czechoslovakia, you've got all of these, these little countries that are right in the middle of the push and pull of Europe and the Soviet Union. It is unbelievable, the history that they had. And it's amazing that everybody that comes out of there or that these people came out of there at all. Like, it's just such a, you can't imagine the difference in the lifestyle that we lived and they lived. And like you said, seven-year-old doing a thousand, we would call that child abuse.

Straight up. Absolutely. I think his dad used to bike to the rink and he would run beside his dad and it was like 12 kilometers away or something. I walked 12 kilometers the other day and I had to tweet about it. I was so proud of myself. Was it to hatch an egg? I hatched so many eggs. Are you playing Pokemon Go, by the way?

No. Why not? You're wrong. I watch people play it, yeah. I don't know. Christina. It's okay, I'll do it for you. One day you'll download the app and then you'll be sucked in.

I just learned about OVO Fest. OV Vetchkin Fest. OV Vetchkin. Yeah, I'm a little slow on the popular stuff. So let's go right to the press conference here. We have questions. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference.

yeah one you kind of already answered but i think you should touch on again um sarah want to know just any advice for aspire aspiring women in media oh media in general in media in general okay i would say oh the biggest piece of advice i like to give which is funny because me giving advice it seems kind of funny um does it yeah because it doesn't seem funny to us it must always seem funny to you yeah i'm all over the place okay i would say if you're doing an internship or you're looking for work don't necessarily look at a big company or say it's newspapers you want to go to don't necessarily just look at the toronto star look at a smaller market like a tiny newspaper in the middle of nowhere because you might get massive opportunity

there and get great clippings and sit down with the prime minister because the news guy is sick the oakville beaver this could happen to you um and a lot of times their staff is three or four people it's the summer you're getting all the good stories you're getting great clippings amazing experience and then you can go to somebody like a big paper like the toronto star um with all that under your belt it's the best thing i ever did as a broadcaster best thing i ever did was move barry and halifax and calgary and barry oh my god i forgot when you drove to barry in the banana boat yes i had a bright yellow subaru baja wow people have no idea what that is when you tell My parents have a Subaru

It doesn't have Baja Imagine that Subaru But with a pickup bed That's exactly what it was And in yellow It was named after the reaction most people had Did you get a deal? No, I wanted one

They came out when we were in grade 9 and I said I will own that car And that was the first car I bought And it looked exactly like this Different from most kids Oh, I like it Thank you, I got made fun of roundly for this car They used that to get away from raptors in the first Jurassic Park movie. It was a great car.

I had it for four and a half years, and I barely spent any money. Do they still make these? They do not. They made them for four years, and nobody bought them. Oh, yeah. On the screen, yeah, okay. Yeah, because it's funny. When you move to those smaller places, you have to.

There is no choice. You've got to do the big things because there's just too many stories and not enough people. Yeah, and you learn so much. Like, you might learn how to design a newspaper because you have to, you know? That could be useful. Absolutely. We're talking about newspapers a lot, but any industry, really, like any sector of journalism. Roadkill823 wants to know, great name, what moment in sports were you most shocked or amazed?

Oh, what moment in sports? Okay, I can't remember what grade I was in, but big Blue Jays fan growing up. I got to stay up and watch Joe Carter and I have a Joe Carter jersey it was signed I got it for my birthday award in like every school picture ever

yeah when he hit that grand slam that was just back in 1993 I ran a world series back to Toronto I'm old yeah that was it

I'm so glad to find out I wasn't the only kid who wore a jersey in every school picture oh yeah mine was a knock off Gilmore jersey mine was too

Mine was the Devil's Gilmore jersey. Yeah, I was a Devil's fan because of Doug Gilmore. Yeah, it's hard to be a knockoff when you're a kid, too. Mine still fits me. You need to break that out at some point. Oh, I have. Have you? That's so cool.

And it's autographed. It's great. Yes. The old color, that was great. I feel like, yeah, the autograph's really fading. Final question. F scans very broad, but what is the ultimate goal in your career? oh i don't we know the dog is one yeah to retire

no i love my job um if i could cover every olympics ever that would be i would do that that'd be a great goal no no um i've been to the last three but yeah to me there's nothing there's nothing better than covering the olympics so i guess i'll make it events based and say yeah doing that can i ask you everything we're reading out of rio is obviously terrible it has been for years and i feel like the the fifa world cup in qatar might also be the same thing because of all the human rights abuses and the fact that they are now having to move it six months so it's in the winter there so it's not 55 degrees outside um and that's in celsius for american listeners um with in Fahrenheit um like don't even bother it's a ridiculous number yeah so for

you looking at these games if you were going to cover them even even covering them from here which you can do what do you think is going to be the thing that they talk about when they talk about the Rio games when they're done is it going to be a disaster or when the sports start happening is all that stuff going to fade away because we sort of saw that with Sochi was like oh well nothing's ready nothing's ready and then all of a sudden it became about the sports again I found Sochi felt like you were in a bubble and in that bubble was all this it was sports and it was joyous and it was all these different nations coming together and it did not feel like oh there's a war happening nearby it didn't you did not get a sense of the political climate in the least it was just Olympics and maybe I don't know if that's a good thing but it certainly protected the event and this time I don't know I feel like because it happened in Sochi it could happen there. Except for the people who are swimming with their mouths closed. But if Michael Phelps goes out and wins all of the medals again,

everybody will talk about that. Exactly. Usain Bolt broke the record again! Yeah. I don't know. It could be... Yeah. It's to be seen.

But I don't know. I feel like the sewage could be a big problem, or suddenly the water's going to be miraculously clean. I don't know. Well, they better do something. When's the opening ceremony? Friday! Friday!

Jesus. You know what, Sochi, I was like, okay, the media showers are kind of yucky. That's not so nice. But you can get past it. Like those were the stories going into it. Like people will survive. Oh, absolutely.

With Rio, you got people going, you will get sick. You will get sick if you swim in the water. I don't know how they're going to get past this one. I don't understand. And the political stuff behind it is just astounding. The fact that they had the World Cup and then this, which is, both are insanely expensive events that you never pay off. Like, Montreal just finished paying off the Olympics in the 70s.

We're in the middle of this random, I think, like, five or six year stretch where Brazil and Russia just got everything. Like, the world just decided everything will either be in Russia or Brazil. And they're broke. Government's broke. Yeah. The president's about to, or prime minister or whatever it is, is about to be impeached. Like, it's over. um like and that's the that's the weird thing is is that once this is done um that's why i kind of

like is brazil gonna fall apart like they have no money they have no money i don't know if there's a gonna like it might be is already falling apart and it's and that's what i worry about you know there's going to be huge protests and there's you know the australians just had all their stuff stolen because there was a fire and they evacuated the building and then whoever went in to put out the fire took everything took all their laptops took all their cell phones took everything the main sailing platform just fell apart. They've got to rebuild it all. So anyway, her

favorite thing to do, her favorite thing is the Olympics. It really is. That's how that started. She's like, it's the best. That's why I asked, though. I wonder if this Olympics is going to be one of those Olympics where it's like,

maybe. Or maybe not every single time. Except for London. They didn't say that about London. That's why I'm cautiously optimistic. because it always somehow works out right and I don't know

my friend's practicum project was about how the Vancouver Canucks Vancouver Canucks the Vancouver Olympics are going to leave the city and province

you know completely bankrupt and it's going to be a disaster they're okay gold medal da da da da da da

da da da by the way that was the Jurassic Park theme song I'm not really sure why you did that no wait what was it

da da da da da da oh I should know this of the Canadian Olympic music? It played every two seconds. Oh, man, that's bad. My memory. I did Jurassic Park.

What a dick. You know what? That music, listen, I don't blame you. It's because of your car. The music's majestic. It's majestic. Can you put on anything?

Well, Christina, thank you so much for coming on. Thanks for having me. I hope it's been a fun experience. It was fun. I was scared, but it's been fun. Are we intimidating?

I mean, I know we're kind of muscly and scary guys, right? Steve and I with our bellies. Oh, this is the muscly part. And the scary part. You guys are taller in person And then I thought you'd be. All right.

Just a full disclosure. We were talking about off camera about what we get told. And you said, Christina, you said you're disarming a lot. And I was saying that people either say that I'm better looking in person or that they thought I was taller. And I thought, you know, people take offense to that. But I always think, well, at least they care enough to think of it at all. They're thinking about you. Right.

It's nice. Yeah, that's okay. I have one final question are you going to do more of this sort of thing are you going to do more like podcasts radio

any TV I don't know YouTube I really think you should okay because you're the best Christina listen I know you're shy

Steve's doing this in front of thousands of people because he wants to strong arm you into it that's nice of you you will have fun that's nice of you yeah I'm open to

I have always said if I have to do things that aren't writing and it gives me an opportunity to talk to somebody or do an interview or travel somewhere, I would never say no. You know? Amazing. The world is her oyster. But don't expect me to brush my hair or anything, you know? Oh, I don't. Okay. Who cares about that?

See? Overrated. I know. Overrated. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on. What is your Twitter handle, just so everybody can follow you? It's at Crutherford. With two R's.

Rutherford. So K.R. Rutherford. Rutherford. That's how you pronounce it. Rutherford. Rutherford. I'm sorry. K.R. Rutherford.

And you're going to be, can we ask what your stories are going to be in the next month, month and a half? Like what do you expect to be covering? Oh, good question. Olympics for the next bit. And then probably some golf. The LPGA Tour is coming to Cambridge next month. And then World Cup of Hockey. And Blue Jays.

Sprinkle in some Blue Jays. And Blue Jays. So we're going to expect. And some holiday. I'm going to sprinkle in a holiday too. Oh, okay. Are you going to be reporting on that too? No.

No, okay. So it'll be like Zika, Zika, Zika, LPGA, Blue Jays. All right, cool. That's good. And World Cup too? I don't know. Good question. Oh, yeah.

World Cup of Hockey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I was just thinking this for soccer. Oh, did I not know? It'll be interesting to see if Sportsnet can cram it into everyone's head that, you know, World Cup also means hockey. Can we also quickly mention, since we were talking about it before and there was a passionate response from the gallery when Jesse brought it up.

Yeah. What do we have? What was just released about the World Cup schedule today? Myrtle tweeted out the exhibition schedule for the World Cup of Hockey. And what Toronto arenas will those games be held? None of them. So we're hosting So let's say

Montreal and Toronto Are hosting the World Cup Yes Or is it just Toronto? No Montreal and Toronto Are hosting the World Juniors Just Toronto

So we're hosting the World Cup So it would make sense Like in a World Cup fashion That all the exhibition games Are in Toronto No They're going on a globetrotter Like tour

Oh so like Like the GTA That's how you spread the news Yeah No In Oshawa, Mississauga The Globe They're going to

Oh the Globe and Mail office No no no They're going to have St. Petersburg, Quebec City, Columbus, Ohio, Prague, Sweden, Ottawa. And these are NHL players that have a full season to play and a full World Cup to play. How many games? They love travel. So there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I'm sure.

Between all the teams, there's 12 exhibition games. So I think each team plays twice. So let me go ahead and... It's going to be exciting, though. Oh, it's going to be very exciting. For fans, I think it'll be a delight to watch. What were you going to do? You've talked to him for an hour.

Do you think Phil Kessel's actually stoked that he's not going to be part of this? I think he might be pretty jacked about it. I think he's all right with it. I think he's made peace with it. Don't be surprised if he tears it up in the first two months of the season. I just want to point out Team Russia. For their exhibition schedule, on September 8th, they'll be in St. Petersburg, Russia, playing the Czech Republic. then they go to

I just sat here September 10th they'll go to the Czech Republic to play Czech Republic in the Czech Republic which is kind of that's kind of a flight

it's kind of a flight but like KHL players have to do with that but then hey why not on September 14th throw them in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

oh my god so let's do three international flights and have a lot of fun guys for practice this is going to be fun for practice

I'm real excited these are the aeroplane points they'll get oh my god true see always looking at the positive

they need those It means a lot though So it is Krrotherford On Twitter I'm not gonna try I'm embarrassed Christina thank you so much

For coming on And I hope That you'll come back I hope we haven't Freaked you out I had fun I had fun Thanks for having me

She has to say that Because you know We're live She'll yell at us Don't make me talk anymore Thanks so much For listening to the podcast We'll be back next week

Before Steve goes to Scotland Ah yes Yes Wait do we have one more Before I go to Scotland Yes Your wife actually told me We would do

She's like You have time And I was like I thought this was the last one It is not But we will We will cover The rest of the stuff

That we've missed there Including an incredible Liberty Village story That we do not have time for Today But we will have You described it as The Stanley Cup

This Liberty Village thing That we have for you Next podcast Is the Stanley Cup Of Liberty Village shit To happen Oh man Yeah

Anyway Thank you so much for listening Christina thank you so much For coming on And we will be back Next Tuesday Follow the guys on Twitter at Steve underscore Dangle at Adam W.Y.L.D. and at Jesse Blake. The Steve Dangle podcast brought to you by Panago Pizza.

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