The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Dec 20, 2016 - Poems

Episode Date: December 20, 2016

On this episode, the guys talk about Carlyle's return to Toronto, Auston Matthews being a beast, the Panthers (yes again), JVR rumours, and some poems. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Gentlemen, it's our second to last show before Christmas. That's so good. And today, not only do we have some tickets and stuff to give away in the off-air portion, but I would like to start the show with our good friend Skip Bayless. Oh, great. He made the news this week.

Not for what he said. For being right. no I don't think that would be newsworthy he's right all the time that's such a great point see Skip Bayless was doing was doing a live stream

he was doing a live stream I love when they force old people to do online stuff yeah isn't that great it's almost like you're gonna make me so I gotta do this so basically I'm gonna talk and there's no commercial breaks

okay okay okay so um hey guys when do i get powdered hey guys we're here uh so we're here and that's always my favorite when we do like face when you see facebook lives like so uh so here we are yes there you are no one's queuing them up and they're just just utterly lost not that i'm like us we're super organized and great so skip bayless um it's straight you know a bunch of comments obviously show up when you're on facebook live it's it's the thing that gets shared across the most platforms If you look at the algorithms of Facebook, Facebook Live and Facebook Videos are like the most popular thing. Facebook wants you to use those features.

But if you post content any other way, Facebook will block it. It will just bury it. So, obviously a bunch of comments are coming up on Skip's Facebook. And one of them is really interesting. It says, Skip, you are the man! Three exclamation marks. Love the new show on FS1. Fox Sports 1.

Three exclamation marks. And how did that go? The person who wrote that was Skip Bayless. what so apparently what happened was skip bayless forgot to log out of his other facebook account and went on as himself and praised himself as in skip bayless or skip bayless's people have alternate facebook accounts to prop up skip that's amazing but i want to believe it was actually skip going good job good job buddy i did great while he was on the air now

do we know it's real we know it's real we know that's real so we don't know if anything's real here's how we know it's the real Skip Bayless

blue check mark no but are we sure the picture is an actual screen grab not just a photoshop according to according to Barstool Sports

it's the real deal okay but now we're relying on Barstool I know can we just believe this is real because 99% sure it is

because if you gave me 10 minutes I could whip that up yeah of course I know you could Can you do it? Yeah. Here, whip it up right now and get me to be like, great job, Steve.

Steve, I sure love your videos. I will 100% do that. And then, okay, and then, and can you include me in there somewhere? Just be like, you know, like, I don't know, somewhere like WTF man, because there was a whole bunch of WTFs under Skip Bayless. You shaved your butt? Yeah. Question mark, question mark.

Something like that. If you can manage that, Jesse, I'd like to see what he can do. So that I think is funny. It also says Skip Bayless likes this, which is great. And apparently he liked his own comment too. So that's fantastic. I mean, I would. Steve, you had to say something before we get into the Toronto Maple Leafs game last night.

Oh, I saw a great tweet. And I don't know. Screw it. I'm just going to steal it because I don't remember who said it. Oh, Craig Custance. Austin Matthews scored his 15th goal against the Anaheim Ducks. And what a goal. One-handed, ridiculous Darth Vader using the force.

We'll get into that. Beautiful. Oh, so good. That's his 15th goal of the season. And therefore, his 15th goal of his career. And as a Leaf, matching David Clarkson's total. As a Leaf. Really?

Yep. In 31 games he's played? 31? 31. Wow. Unbelievable. And I feel bad. We've been through this with David Clarkson.

To be fair, I think David Clarkson only played 31 games for the Leafs, too, with his injuries and stuff. Well, he missed 10 to start. He sure did. Oh, boy. So let's talk about the Leafs. Let's talk about Iggy Dangle night at the Leafs-Ducks game last night. My boy. My son.

So, okay, explain. Forget about the game because I'm sure it's been broken down to death by the time anybody hears this show. Let's talk about Iggy and how Iggy ended up. Your dog Iggy was on the boards and on television the whole night. How? So I'll just get random texts from Mrs. Dangle every now and then that just says, retweet me.

so if you see me retweet retweeting a random thought of hers it's because she forced me to right so um i i'm at the sportsnet christmas party and we're bumping into each other it was in a very small venue i'm trying to get kenry to beer because you know none of us could reach the bar and i just get this random text retweet me i'm like okay fine and i just i see it's a picture of iggy in my jersey and i'm like sure hope he didn't you know ruin it or anything but whatever I retweet it. Turns out that she entered our dog into a contest

to be the dog on the boards in front of the Leafs bench during Leaf games. During the first period of a Leaf game. That's cool. Lo and behold, Iggy wins and he's right there. We got to see him all first period long. And you

got to be at the game. Yes. And we both got tickets. Iggy did not get a ticket. Unfortunately. No. No, I thought that was BS myself. I think that's unfair. You're giving me a look. I mean, I think that's somewhat unfair.

I think the dog should be able to be there. It's doggist. Now, it is doggist, for sure. Now, Jesse. Yes. Take a break from your Photoshopping for just a minute. We're going to pause time on your thing. Jesse and I are both rapidly typing on our computers.

You brought up something interesting in our group chat about this. Yeah. I just think it's fair that an employee of the company that owns the team that's running the contest should be allowed to win. Do you think that's fair or unfair? I think it's totally unfair. I would like to call my counsel to the stand. I am not a permanent employee.

I am a contract employee. More importantly, I am not the individual who entered this contest. My wife, who is not an employee of Rogers or any of their subsidiaries, entered and won fair and square. Now, I just want to point out quickly here that if my fiancée were to, even though we're not married, we're not family, yet, technically, under the eyes of the law, although I guess maybe we're common law, if she were to try to win a contest for Kiss 92.5, even as my girlfriend, she couldn't. Well, sucks to be you, doesn't it? Because all I know is I went to the game, and I can't give that back. I just think when you win a contest fair and square, you should have to justify winning it.

I think you should take this up with the winner of the contest, my wife. Take that up with her. I didn't win anything. I was just lucky enough to be her plus one. Well, we'll give Iggy the first star of last night's game. 100%. Not Getzlaff or Gibson or anyone else with a G. It was pretty cool to see Iggy up there.

Now, we got to talk about Austin Matthews and that goal. My God. That broken wrist goal. like I don't know how he did that it's like he's double jointed now I look at goals sometimes and I look at things like that especially with rookies

and I go how much of that is luck how much of that is us just going ooh ah luck and I tried to make today's LFR video without looking at the highlights but I don't know I just saw like several gifs of it on my phone

I couldn't help it it was the talk of last night pretty much other than the penalty that he should have drawn late in the third period he meant to do that yes he did he meant to do that

that's the thing about that that was intentional unbelievable absolutely unbelievable the hand eye in this guy just and it gives me hope

for his face offs a little bit because the Leafs just got killed in that department but no rookie does well in that department so once he learns that

I mean what else does he need to improve on well yeah I mean And that's the thing, is that he will continue to improve. In everything. Yes. And I thought what was interesting is we've seen some really great examples of his hand-eye coordination lately.

I can't remember whether it was against Pittsburgh or Arizona, where he batted the puck out of the air. Yes, you did. I saved you from the Phoenix Jets. Arizona. Where he batted the puck into the air. It happened to hit the goalie on the chest, but it was mid-air, probably around thigh level. And he was able to put it on the net Still with some force

Which is pretty incredible So unreal I want to bring up a stat to you That I think you will find extremely interesting I don't pay attention to analytics Getzlaff and Matthews Played a lot of time against each other Yesterday

What do you think the shot differential was? While they were on the ice together? I think I read That it was in Matthew's favor Which is a miracle But I'm going to go with It was like Maybe

Matthew's Had the puck 54% of the time Okay Let's see A little over 50 Yeah I'm going to go with shots for

Oh shots Shots generated Okay So it was yes In Matthew's favor That's crazy 17 to 4 What

I'm going to say that again When Matthews and Getzlaff were on the ice together last night. The shots for the Leafs, 17. The shots for the Ducks, 4. And Getzlaff did get a goal on the power play. Yes. So, if you're going,

well, where was he on that one? Well, I don't think he was on the ice. I don't think he kills penalties. That is just a good player. That's spectacular. Holy smokes. You know, it's funny. I try to think back through the season

to really good defensive plays, like good plays Matthew's made in his own end. And he makes a lot of them. I can't think of many, though. That's because he's never there. Well, how many... Okay, most defensive plays you remember are defensive plays that are spectacular

because something's gone wrong and yet something saves it. That's a great point. That's a great point. You're talking about a Cujo save right there. Yes, yeah. He looked great because he was out of position. Yeah, yeah. we screwed up

but somehow we got out by the skin of our teeth now I think that's why we don't know that now a guy named Dylan

reached out he's a Winnipeg fan sorry he's a Toronto fan in Winnipeg which has got to be tough tough that Leafs Jets game

had to be the worst day of his life so yeah I think so he said hey Adam I love the podcast and I have a question for you and this is why

I opened up my DM so people could send me some stuff I'm really interested in what Steve and Jesse would say here I'm a Leafs fan I bleed blue and white

When I started watching the Leafs They had Tosca and Raycroft in net But I'm still here loving the Leafs Which is amazing that they gained a fan in that era I live in Winnipeg and all my friends keep telling me That Line A is better than Matthews What should be my response? No

Just watch Your response should be just watch And again they're going by the goals The goal scorer has more goals Weird Ask them what they think about how Paul Maurice uses line. Just don't combat them. Don't combat.

You know what my favorite victories are in arguments? Using someone's own head against them. The Guy Boucher. We got the book on James. Make them answer their own questions. And you'd be amazed to find out how many people can't even do that. Okay, so Steve, here's the deal. Yes.

Patrick Liney is better than Austin Matthews. Yeah, maybe. I mean, he's had some early success. What do you think about Paul Maurice and how he's used him so far? Well, he's obviously used him on the power play a lot. Yeah. On the top line. Do you think maybe he's sheltering him a little bit?

I mean, I would have to look at the numbers. Like how often? Does he typically use him a lot when the Jets are up by two goals or something like that? Yeah, normally I would think. I think the reason they're up by two goals would be Patrick Laine. You know, yeah, that might be the case. It's just, you know, I hope he's not viewed as a liability. Like, because, you know, you're good at one thing.

And we knew he was good at that one thing, but can he do it all? You know, I guess we'll see. We'll see. I mean, if he can, he's probably, he might be better than Matthews. Can Austin Matthews? Oh, yes, already. That's the great thing. Yes, he can.

And the reason I say that, and this is not to be taken the wrong way, I believe that you had two teams with two unique needs. The Jets needed goals. The Leafs needed a centerman to do it all. The Leafs got their centermen to do it all. The Jets had that. The Leafs don't miss line A's goal scoring. No, they don't.

They score enough goals. Also, Matthews is like, what, four goals behind? Oh, no. Oh, heavens. He's only got nine goals in his last 12 games, Steve. Oh, shoot. The thing is, too, with Austin Matthews is it all depends on what kind of player you want. Yeah, you're going to see the flash and pizzazz from Patrick line A, Dylan.

But the deal is, if you want a complete player, Austin Matthews is, far and away, the better player. here's a question let's pretend let's pretend and that's not by the way Winnipeg fans not a slight on Patrick Laine

totally let's pretend now the Leafs drafted Laine yeah okay so and last night Bozak and Smith are out

yeah no Austin Matthews against Ryan Getzlaff but let's pretend they're healthy okay let's you know completely healthy lineup so we got this

we got this shut down line shut down slash first line it's bizarre of Kadri Komarov-Sashnikov Okay

We got This Kid line Of Matthews With Hyman And either Nylander Or Brown Yeah

We got This all offensive line Of JVR Bozak-Marner And then we got The fourth line Which is Often

I think Martin Smith And either Sash or Brown Where does Line A go? The most obvious

Answer to me Is where Marner is so where do you have Marner so then I guess you have either Marner or Nylander center the kid line with Hyman and Nylander I completely ignored my own words there

Matthews is not your center on that Hyman line because you don't have him so who's there it's Peter Holland I think or William Nylander or they force William Nylander to be the center which they don't want to do

so the Leafs needed this guy they needed this guy to the point where even if Laine does end up being better okay so be it the Leafs addressed a need and they took the player that they thought was best

because I think he might be at both ends of the ice and I think that Getzlaff stat kind of says it all I mean now am I saying that will happen every single game that he's on the ice against a guy like Ryan Getzlaff probably not no that's probably not going to happen every single time, but if you can win

60% of those, 65% of those, you're doing good. Let me ask you this. Are we being hypocritical? Why so? Because we're randomly bringing up Line A in a situation where he wasn't involved? No, Dylan asked the question. I just thought it was a good time to bring it up. This is all Dylan's fault.

Blame Dylan. Way to go, Dylan! I thought I would bring that up. Now, it has been posed that 31 games into the season, with Matthews playing the way he is you know we we saw an easing in of austin matthews you know we did see a bit of a shelter which by the way i think is a smart idea for anybody coming in the league first 30 40 games do you think now mike babcock goes all right we have a legitimate center here time to start

maybe unsheltering this person and they might not have a choice with bozak yeah yeah that well a you're right with the bozak comment there but um i think it was chris johnson maybe it was myrtle I can't remember, tweeted a quote from Babcock. They go, so you thought Matthews could potentially be an elite center by Christmas. How do you think that's going? And he's like, yeah, I think we got a good player. That was his answer. One thing we've definitely seen with Babcock is if he likes a player,

if he has a notion about a player in his head, he will not be stopped. He is going to truck forward with that notion. Babcock loves him some sosh. he loves him some Zach Hyman. Loves him Moss and Matthews. For very different reasons. Right. If Bozak's out for a while,

which I don't think he's, they're both day-to-day, Smith and Bozak. It doesn't sound like it's going to be long. Yeah, Matthews played, I think it was 21 minutes. And the Leafs were on the penalty kill for a lot of that game.

21 minutes, 9 seconds, I believe. So you're right the hell on. Right the hell on. And he didn't, I don't think he played a single second on the PK. Which means, at even strength, It was the Austin Matthews show.

And by the way, they were on the PK a lot. They really put their penalty kill to the test. They do that. And also, it might put to bed the silly notion that allegedly Matthews conditioning in the third period is a concern. What? I heard that on a different network. What?

No, no, no, no. What did they say? Say that one more time. That allegedly Matthews conditioning in the third period is a concern. According to whom? Lease management? i can't remember who said that yeah i think it was coming from inside i don't know it was just someone on tv on a set that was red saying that and uh i immediately thought that was i hope you

laugh man of course i laughed every time this guy talks at him okay every time this guy talks i'm like really for real okay what i did notice last night i don't know you you saw you saw from the game so you you had better seats to the game than i did i did see a team that's not ready to move on from tyler bozak well they're not it's an interesting thought because they lost two guys right they lost ben smith as well right so there are options where they had to shove neilander in a position where he was not comfortable well he wants to be there he shouldn't be i don't know if he should be a center in the NHL.

Maybe one day. He'll have to earn that. Yeah. And then, Gauthier, I was blown away when I saw Gauthier's time on ice.

It was under 11 minutes, but he... He was playing into pretty important defensive situations. Can you look up, I'm not even sure where you'd find it

these days because of NHL.com. I want to know how many shifts Gauthier had. And I want to know how that stacks up to his teammates.

There's a shift chart at the bottom at NHL.com if you look at the box scores. Yeah. It's really hard to find, But once you find it And it's also a terrible graph

And doesn't fit the screen properly However It is interesting to look at Yeah He must have played like A bajillion 19 second shifts He was on so much Before Jesse finds that

He was He took a lot of face offs What do we got here We got Oh I don't know how the hell To read this It's just basically The blots are the

His shifts Are his shifts No but I just want The number of shifts Well count them No I'm not gonna count them Jesse you count them What the

Who made that When do you want? The full game or third period? Let's say full game. Full game. How many shifts? Full game. So, yeah, there's something to your point.

Then maybe they're not ready to move on from Bozak. But they lost two centers at once. They did lose two centers at once. Here's my thing. You talked about earlier in the season people coming up out of the system and beating the guys that currently have the jobs to their jobs, right? It's about coming in and winning the jobs. You know, we saw it with, I mean, obviously Matthews, Nylander, Marner, pretty notable examples of guys that won jobs.

Zach Hyman, Connor Brown, other guys that won jobs. And then Nikita Sashnikov, who didn't make the team out of camp, but clearly won a job over Milan Mihalic. He would have. Would have. He would have. Because they were worried about Milan Mihalic's contract. They didn't want him sitting in the AHL. Mahalik definitely wasn't.

He didn't lose his job due to poor performance in the first little stretch. No, he played fine. It's 16 shifts. 16 shifts. Pretty average then if he's playing 11 minutes. The Leafs down the middle is a problem. It's a problem. So that's why I wanted to bring that up because I saw Fredrik Gauthier last night

and I didn't see... I saw a potential. I find I know his skating's improved And he looked good He had a really good camp Looked good in camp Got shoved over a bit too much

For a guy that huge Yeah And I also just I didn't see a lot of confidence And maybe that's because It's his first game of the year Yeah But it didn't seem to me like

Eighth of his career He wasn't owning the He didn't seem to be owning The position he was in Yeah And I think he got some Power play time too It was crazy

I think Babcock I don't know shot which he should yeah some people were getting upset with how Gauthier was used uh online I saw but like there were some moments there where you had to he was trying to build his confidence and also the Leafs got murdered in the face-off department last night to the point where like I don't think Bozak would have been that much of a help Kadri was like 29 percent Nylander got filled in everyone got filled in no one did well Gauthier was their best one and he was still 41 percent right they got murdered so the reason he was being used so late in the game is he was the

only leaf who had like a shot at winning so uh but here down the middle matthews cadre bozak that is a great one two three that's great and then ben smith but like it's fourth line center i don't even know how many face-offs he takes uh at least at five on five then we got byron phrase who's a goal scoring machine down in the AHL but in the NHL we saw that's not really the case Brooks Like who I don't even think has been playing center in the American Hockey League. Colin Greening

who I don't really think played center in the NHL but tends to in the American Hockey League Freddie Goat and then you got Brooks, Adam Brooks who's in the WHL right now. Dakota Joshua who I think is playing university

somewhere and I think dominic toninato who's uh unsigned guy the leafs just have the rights to like it's not nearly as strong as you go down the left or the right wings it seems their wings are their strong monstrous monstrous so for everyone yelling and screaming for the leafs to get new defensemen like i have more confidence in the guys the leafs have in the minors on defense than i do down the middle like Andrew Nielsen we've talked about

ad nauseum Frank Corrado has potential yeah and he's already on the roster Victor Lou they could always call up Andrew Campbell

yeah Victor Lou Valiev Justin Hall it'd be interesting to give him a shot Travis Dermott one day but I look up the middle it's sparse man

it's sparse and yes you got Kadri lockdown long term great you got Matthews long term great

Bozak You don't need to trade right now. No, in fact, I don't know that they should. I kind of don't think they should. I mean, he seems to be relishing this opportunity that he has with Van Riemsdyk and Marner. He's doing great. Maybe in the summer. Yeah, I just don't see, to me, the team is too thin at center to give this up.

Right now, it's a strong point. They finally have three strong centers, two of them with significant NHL experience. I don't you know everybody's like oh Bozak and JVR out the door what are we getting back

what's coming back and you better have you better have a center and you better have a winger NHL ready to go because without those two guys they have

almost no net presence besides Zach Hyman like real net presence JVR is a real net presence obviously Austin Matthews gets in there but I'm talking about a guy

who's who's bread is buttered by standing in front of the net yeah that was one thing I definitely noticed at the game that's they're too much

of a perimeter team they are they're getting a ton of shots but they're not they don't seem to be and they're getting chances too but like Connor Brown was a guy I called out

specifically always has the puck hard on the puck enters the zone cleanly and then once he gets to about the hash marks that's where the opportunity dies because he gets tied up

he doesn't put it around the boards to a teammate who could be there but he's often ahead of the rush and he doesn't take the shot before he's tied up So he brought it into the zone And then what happened?

He lost it Like I don't have the numbers on it I would love to know Like how effective he is In that department But it's encouraging That he does the first part Right

So he just has to learn The second part The Leafs have so many guys Where like I'm encouraged By so many things they do Sashnikov Like there's another guy If he doesn't have

If he doesn't have The Grand Canyon of space He's not shooting the puck Or he's not getting the shot off For sure Well they're going to have to fix that Both of them. Either their release is going to have to get faster

or their decision-making is going to have to get better, or both. Well, that's the thing, right? You have less time and space in the NHL than you do at the AHL level. You're not going to have Grand Canyon. Yeah, you've got to get used to the pace, and they will. I think they will. And that's why I like when I'm not as optimistic as Andrew Berkshire when he said the Leafs will have a top five second half.

But, I mean, it does make sense that they would get better as the year goes on. Absolutely. Well, you've got six rookies in the top 12 forwards or something like that. Yeah, I think they had like nine rookies in the lineup last year. Levo looked good. He did. Looks like the injuries have healed. Yeah, I think he's okay.

You do. So Josh Levo is an interesting case because I wanted to talk about him because is that a guy that becomes attractive to a team down the road that you can flip in a package for either the D or the depth center. I'm talking about organizational depth when I'm saying depth because I don't think they need another Ben Smith. I think what they need is another center prospect who's going to be ready in the next year to 18 months.

The weird thing with Levo is you've got a two-year deal. That's what I mean. Wouldn't that be attractive to teams because it's a very affordable deal? Well, what's attractive to teams... I mean, the Leafs are a team, right? So it's attractive to them, too. Sure. But they have other guys coming.

You're right. So that is an interesting thought. Like, you've got... Isn't... You know, Kasperi Kapanen's looking better and better and better. Yeah, he's looking really good. I could bring him. Tobias Lindbergh's looking good.

Yeah. Yeah, he's at least a few guys down. So who else would you say? Well, okay. Brendan Leipzig's got 27 points in 22 games. 8 goals, 19 assists He should have been the first name I brought up Oh, absolutely

Kapanen's got a bit more of a goal-scoring touch with 13 goals Fraze has 12 goals, man But he's not getting that TJ Brennan led the league in points and didn't get a game He got a couple games, but he didn't do much with it

Plus he's also only got 5 assists, Kapanen's got 12 and 25 points right so um Kirby Reichel started to heat up Andreas Johnson's had a good little season Lindbergh's not too far behind them they have so many options on the wing that's what I mean like they they're not at a point where they can only trade one like they might have to trade more yeah so if I'm the agent like if I'm the agent of like just looking down the lineup maybe not Timoshev because he's still so young but and Lindbergh's young too but I don't know I wonder at what point an agent of

one of these players one of these wingers on the Marlies goes my client's kind of buried here like they're not really gonna get an opportunity but they might get it somewhere else that's how deep it is Sash is one of the older guys of the bunch like if we included him in that group like I gotta wonder if he was thinking that down in the Marlies am I going to get my shot because there are so many guys oh my god

but again it's all encouraging we're looking at a surplus as a problem it's not it's just I think last night we saw what the Leafs look like without Tyler Bozak and the answer is not as good therefore adds a lot of value and the thing is that they don't have anybody to come in

and do a serviceable at least serviceable job to replace him Now, we want the Leafs to succeed. Yes. We want the Leafs to succeed. We want them to win some games. We want them to be higher in the standings than they are. And I look at them right now, and after 31 games, they're in 25th place.

Tied for 24th. Yeah, and they're like, what is it, 12 points out of a playoff spot? They're far. It's far. They're far. There's a lot of have and have not in the Eastern Conference right now. They'll catch up a bit. I don't know if it'll be enough, but they'll catch up a bit.

if they stay down there even if they play well that's another top 10 pick man that's another top 10 they might not even have to do they could be above 500 the rest of the way and still be in like top 10 pick territory so when we talk about the leafs future plans we got to remember that yeah there's more there's even more and you don't know what happens at the trade deadline you don't know what they... The expansion draft is still the wild card to me. I have no idea what the hell is going on. We don't know what Bracco looks like. We don't know. Well, we know what Bracco

looks like. Well, he looks great. We don't know what he looks like in the AHL or a training camp next year, but it's interesting. Very interesting spot there. We are going to go to break, but when we come back, Steve was right about something. Steve was right about something very, very important, to which

Jesse and I made fun of him a lot. Is it the value of my James Reimer figure? It is not the value of your James Reimer figure. which is still in dispute, by the way. We'll be right back on Sportsnet 590, The Fan. Priceless. So Steve was right. And Steve, you can continue eating your lunch.

I'm going to tell this story, okay? Great. From the... Here is it. The Tampa Bay Times winner of 12 Pulitzer Prizes, which is, by the way, the Tampa Bay Times byline. They won 12. Steve was not right about this.

Steve was probably right about this. Remember... Let him finish. Right. So I'm going to read a little bit of Joe Smith's article from the Tampa Bay Times. Said shortly into Coach John Cooper's pregame media session Saturday, he said,

you want to hear an awful story? A heartbreaking one, actually, says Joe. With Cedric Paquette, the latest Tampa Bay forward to get hurt, prospect Tanner Richard, 23, was called out from the AHL Syracuse, from AHL Syracuse, excuse me, and scheduled

to make his anticipated NHL debut Saturday against the Oilers. Bud Richard's 8 a.m. flight out of New York. He sat on the tarmac for two hours, forcing him to miss his connection to Minneapolis, which, by the way, big international hub. His scheduled flight to Edmonton from Minneapolis

was taking off as he arrived. The next flight to Edmonton was not arriving until after the game, so Richard was returned to Syracuse. But it was not in time for the Crunch's game in Bridgeport, so Richard missed two games in one night.

Wait, how was I right about that? Oh! Hey! Your boy's slow, but he gets it every now and then. He figures it out. Steve. We may have made fun of Steve in the past. Just context for anybody that didn't hear it. We may have made fun of Steve in the past for saying that the Leafs needed to bring an extra person with them on a road trip across Canada.

Because, God forbid, if they had to call someone up and that someone would have to take the Oregon Trail to get there. Oh, is North America large and vast? And are there variables when traveling? You don't say. Are there variables and elements uncontrollable? One might say. One might say. That's interesting.

It's very odd that you would say, especially in the winter. It's just so odd. It's just like, it's so rare to experience like ice and wind and conditions that are adverse to flying. Steve. Yes, Jesse. You're claiming victory. Yes, Ron and Jesse. Behind a man named Tanner.

Tanner probably can't take the 405 up to Santa Monica Oh, I picked up some oranges I think Tanner has to ask everybody where to go In California When Tanner arrived back in Syracuse Tanner? What are you doing here? Isn't there a game at the end of this?

Tanner, it's snowing Jesse, I have a question for you Yes What WHL team did Tanner Richard play for? Why do you know that? I don't But his name is Tanner My buddy's name is Tanner

And he's probably like Hey Guess what He's from Western Canada Tanner played for the Guelph Storm Actually But he's from Western Canada He's from Markham, Ontario

Wow None of that worked out for you Maybe not bring it up next time You know what else You know what You know what didn't work out for him You know what didn't work out for him Going to the NHL or AHL in one night

That's right Because sometimes things don't go your way The game was in Edmonton. It was in Edmonton. Why isn't there a direct flight from New York to Edmonton? Because I don't think... That doesn't happen? There's not a lot of direct...

Man, direct flights are hard to find if your city... They're hard to find in Canada. If your city is not Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver. Maybe Calgary? Calgary just built an international hub on their airport. As I was leaving, they were just putting the steel beams in. I am still blaming this on Tanner. I think he could have found a way to get to Edmonton.

You know where there are tons of direct flights from Edmonton to in the States? Vegas. And the Dominican. Dominican's not in the States, but you can get a direct flight out of Edmonton to anywhere hot or any place where you can spend boatloads of cash

in a week. Any place TF out of there? Toronto. Why can't you just go up to Toronto and take a flight to Edmonton? I mean, that was one of his options and they chose the Minneapolis one. What are you doing, Tanner? Yeah, but how long ago was this? A few days?

A couple days ago. I think it was last week. Might have been snow. Might have been rain. Might have been a stormy night. Might have been the day of the sweater party. It was the snowstorm that I came in on, actually, which made my flight late.

I had an eight-hour extravaganza from Tampa to Toronto. I got to the airport. Oh, were there weather conditions? I got to the airport at 12, and I got home at like 8.30. Tanner needs to go back to Calabasas I hope he paints and lives out of a car A Volkswagen bus He paints to escape his pen

I'm sure he's probably got lots of pen I feel bad By the way I've never been more sure of anything in my life He's going to get his first NHL goal against the Leafs And everyone's going to be like Because you were mean to him Oh yeah

100% Yeah 100%. He won't miss that flight. By the way, I want to say. You never know. I do want to say that. I mean, there is weather.

I'm officially a believer in the Dangle Jinx, and I'll tell you why. And I've always doubted it. I've always thought it was dumb. But now I'm officially a believer in the Dangle Jinx because last Thursday on the show, Steve said, Oh, the Leafs are, now they got to go into a game against the Pens where they're going to get killed. And I said, do you think they're going to get killed? They're like, they're going to get killed. And then I said, I don't know.

I think they got to, oh, they're going to get killed. and lo and behold, reversed-angle jinx. And then you go to the game last night. And? Cam Fowler, the guy that was supposed to come to the Toronto Maple Leafs, scores the winner. Adam is the vice president in every natural disaster movie. He doesn't believe in what I'm telling him until it's too late.

I believe in evacuating the country. No, it'll be fine. Thanks for that advice. We'll see that. thanks for that advice Mr. Scientist that's you that's you

who is Adam in Independence Day who didn't believe oh I'm trying to remember wasn't it the Minister of Defense or whatever who was like

who gets like fired and then ends up in like a Jewish prayer circle at the end of the movie with Jeff Goldblum's dad yeah like one of the most

racist characters in cinematic history yes yes oh my god oh my god yeah that movie is

I've heard many breakdowns. The first half is just a great movie. The second half, you're like, who wrote this? There is a switch, eh? There really is. Did anybody see Independence Day 2? No. I really wanted to

because I loved Independence Day. Because who didn't love Independence Day? I still watch it every time it's on. Yeah. What's wrong with the second half? It gets so hokey and cartoony. I like it. I like the story. I like it, but not for the same reason.

And I like the idea that, you know, uploading a computer virus that was super cool at the time. Make it sick. Yeah, exactly. But, and I also thought it was hilarious when they're like waving to the alien and like shooting a nuke at him and whatever. I thought that was hilarious. And the dude sacrificed himself.

Yeah. But the... Hello, boys. I'm back. That's amazing. Russell something here. Russell something is his name. Russell Case.

Russell Case. In the movie, his name is Russell Case. Russell Kaye's here and he was the guy that was abducted and whatever I the thing about that movie

is the dialogue just dies it like it falls apart they start talking to each other welcome to earth yeah like

William stop it I like it I like it too it's not even earth it's earth yeah I like it too

I like it for the cheesiness and the awesomeness yeah I did too I did I mean it was my first VHS Yes, I fell in love.

Jesse makes a good point, though, because I saw the first Transformers. I loved the first Transformers. And I was like, what a bag of garbage. Like, what a piece of crap movie. And then someone was like, man, just go in there and turn your brain off. And I saw Transformers 2, and I was like, this is sick. And that was during the writer's strike, and it was terrible. Yeah, because it was just...

Kind of like the Carlisle-era Leafs. By the way, did you know that Randy Carlisle did not know why he was fired? He was never told by the Leafs why he was fired? Yeah, that's a guy who's totally at peace with that decision. That's a guy who's not bitter. Yeah, I heard Doug McClain saying, oh, he had to feel good about that last night. And I thought, if Randy Carlisle, I'm sure he did get satisfaction out of it. Totally.

But the fact of the matter is, if he got satisfaction out of it, that's nice. It doesn't make up for the fact that the system that the Leafs were playing was horrendous. And then he blamed it on the players. He did say back at the time, well, you can only, you know, management gives you the players you got. So you got to work the system you have. I think there was a lot of revisionism, too, because Chris Johnson, you see Chris Johnson's tweet that Carlisle kind of hinted that he wanted to start the rebuild while he was there? Like he wanted to facilitate a rebuild? I didn't see that, no.

Randy. Well, first of all, what is your version of a rebuild? Like, is it Frederick Gauthier in the role he's being used now or as number one center? No, it's Jared Smithson. Oh, baby. Remember him? That was a thing. The other thing about Carlisle, we do need to give him a little bit of rope.

Had a terrible GM. Yes. He really did. Yeah. Who he's now working with. They're not co-workers again. Who he's now working with again. I'm sure he's a buddy, but anyway, yada, yada, yada.

We're getting back onto Carlisle. I just thought that was interesting. McLean did mention something else. Are we getting into that? Yeah, sure. Go ahead. uh so uh vinnie viola the majority owner of the florida panthers was nominated by donald trump to be the secretary of the army so i looked into this which by the way would make

doug sifu now in charge of the panthers instead of minority owner he's in charge yeah because uh as i think as undersecretary or salary secretary you can't it's like it's not that You can't have a business, but you can't be running the business and running the country's military. Which seems like it's going to cause a lot of problems for this administration because everybody's a billionaire. Who's got interests. Yeah. So, I don't know. I know that Vinnie Viola went to the military and signed up in 1977.

I know that he got up to the rank of major. Oh, did he not have a bone spur? No, he did not have a bone spur. He was rank of... Donald Trump avoided military service because he had a bone spur. Drafted. Couldn't get drafted. I didn't understand the reference.

He made it to major. So that's a pretty, I think that's a pretty serious role in the army. Of course. Little do I know of the army. Beyond that, his military career is kind of foggy. I couldn't find much on it. Okay. But anybody that gets to major is probably somebody that knows somewhat about what they're talking about.

the problem i think might be and i don't want to get political here but he hasn't been in the military since like the early 80s so man i don't know you know you know a quote stuck out to me uh from our last episode where elliot friedman called in and he goes uh you know you can be an nhl owner and no matter what your other businesses are what mistakes you make their successes no one cares if your sports team is bad. No one cares. I don't know. I think Vinny Viola just escaped that.

Yeah, because now his mistakes are international if they happen. It's unprecedented. This is unprecedented. Or if you're Donald Trump, it's unprecedented. Oh, my dear sweet Jesus. Yeah, you saw that tweet. I did too. I'm going to take his phone. Let's move on past that. You know, quite frankly,

no offense to the Panthers themselves, but I'm sort of done talking about their owners. We I know we can't This is so legitimate though I know I know

I'm just so tired Of bringing them up Not because Not because it's not You know it was like I was tired of bringing Of bringing up When Carlisle was the coach

Of the Leafs The stupid things That I disagreed with That he was doing We did that for like A year and a half Don't be crazy You know

Okay so It's early in the season There's always time to Escape This Escape Escape But we talked about

Every year there's a gong show team. And we were talking about the Islanders being the early candidate. Vancouver 2. Vancouver 2. And they sort of escaped it a little bit. It's the Panthers in a cakewalk. Right now. Absolutely.

Hey, they make the playoffs, become a great story, prove everyone wrong. That, you know, that's fine. That's great. But right now, it's a carnival. It's a carnival. I've never seen just so much confusion. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot going on. Surrounding a team. Now, who knows? There might be a brilliant method to that madness, but this news story is just... We live in a movie. We do. We live in a movie.

I can't believe it. It means that for the first time in our lives, our direct lives, guys, we have talked to a person who knows a guy who might be the Secretary of Defense. Yeah, so what is Secretary of the Army and Secretary of Defense? Not Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Army. I'm assuming that's the person, from what I know, and our American friends can correct me on this if I'm a little bit...

Essentially, it's the person that is heading up and is the representative of the army. So, I guess a lot of the budgeting and the expenses and all the things that the generals want would go through Vinny to the president. Yeah, you got it? Great, let's do that. Sorry, before you start that, two weeks ago, he was making a phone call saying to fire Gerard Gallant. Yeah. This is Vinny Viola. The Secretary of the Army is a senior civilian official within the Department of Defense of the United States of America with statutory responsibility for all matters relating to the United States Army. Manpower, personnel, reserve affairs, installations, environmental issues, weapons, communications, and financial management.

So this is, you know all that stuff about, what was that book? Flash Boys? Flash Boys. Maybe it's like about efficiency in the Army? Maybe. He does find efficiencies. Our podcast is four degrees removed from the president. Wow.

Our show, Doug Sifu, Vinny Viola, president. Damn. What the hell happened? What is this year? It's been a weird year. Let's get out of it. I'm scared. I hate it.

Before we have to go, did you guys see the Capitals social media blunder? Yes. Go ahead, because I have a theory. alright so Capitals there's one young woman named Emily Longton who tweeted a picture with her father

is she a Caps fan by the way she is a Caps fan okay that alters my theory she tweeted she tweeted that you know she and her dad

were at the game so the Caps retweeted it and they were like epic face swap only their faces weren't swapped her and her dad they were just

that was just their faces and that's how their faces look and she's like those are our actual faces and the Caps wrote back and I want to know if you think this is trying them trying to see that yeah they wrote back and they said and i want to know if this

is a publicity save like oh we screwed up and we're not going to admit it or if they actually meant it this way okay they said well that was the joke oh no so my question then is what was the joke if that's a joke what's the joke yeah i think the joke is your faces don't fit which is not a good joke to be making at your fans expense if it's a joke why don't you just say we screwed it up I think it was just a mistake that night they had set up a booth for

face swaps so like it was part of the night where you can go and you can get your face swap done and then post it on cap social media so they just assumed that these people also did it oh no I'm gonna give now and here's the thing you can make that blunder and oh oops there's this thing with like social

media coordinators and I've I've seen them talk about it and I've been to seminars and every time they say it, I'm like, that's blatantly false. That is so incorrect and I'm not following it. They are, a lot of these guys are hell bent on not letting a conversation die. You have to continue the conversation with someone. Why? Well, and this is the thing. In that scenario, okay, so you accidentally, or no, she tweets you.

You mistakenly, you mistake it for a face swap. She responds. That's it. You just let it die. Delete and delete the original tweet. I would. Why not? You could just own the mistake and just leave it.

Well, that's the thing is that if you're not going to respond, just delete it. It's gone. I might be without them there. Then it's a minor incident. Then it's like a minor thing. And then people will forget the next day because you didn't respond. And if you do leave it up, maybe respond, whoops, sorry. Yeah.

Why can't you just say, whoops, sorry? Why are we trying? That's the other thing that I don't understand Why don't you just say we screwed up Then it's dead It's dead Because people understand human error What people don't understand is being lied to

And I know it's not that big of a deal But it's just these social media things It's like I don't understand If you're that girl you're like Wait that's the joke So you're saying Her father looks very youthful You're like wow I cannot believe that

He looks like her dad They look very similar and I'm sure whoever did the retweet looked at the picture and it was the small icon I doubt they blew it up on their phone

you know what I mean you know what would be great is if she's messing with them and it is a face swap that would be great that would be great so anyway I thought it was quite funny

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I don't know why oh I sent you the photoshopped facebook photo if you want oh you did is it on is it my facebook yeah it's on your

facebook in our group chat thank you to everyone tolerating my unprofessionalism hopefully you enjoy it oh my god it's just proof that

things like that can be done so whenever I see somebody oh this social media person said this and there's no proof of it actually being up I'm like I can do this

alright so we're gonna take this and post this on our reddit page and unlike other things that we swear we're gonna post on our reddit page we haven't posted. This we're actually going to post. It's incredible. It says, as seen on Sportsnet's

pregame show for the Leafs-Coyotes. And then Steve writes, that's so cool. And then apparently I write, you'll be more aerodynamic if you shave your ass. And Justin Fisher writes, dangle for Prime Minister, which Justin is going to be mad about. That's actually incredible, Jesse.

Wait, what did you type in? I'm confused. So if you look at the comments on this Steve Dangle video, you'll see that none of them are real. If you look at the comments where my finger is pointing See the comments Steve Steve isn't getting it Oh they're all just

Yeah cause that's on my page though It's not on Sportsnet Yeah but look the comments aren't real Steve What do you mean they're not real Look what you wrote So the deal with Photoshop is Oh sorry man I'm eating my mashed potatoes That has nothing to do with you paying attention

You know the Skip Bayless thing we talked about at the beginning of the show This is what Jesse is Exhibiting to you I feel foolish. Do you see this webpage where your video is up and Adam wrote this thing about shaving ass? That didn't actually happen. Which I wouldn't actually put on Facebook

because someone's going to take that out of context and I'm going to get in trouble. I'm embarrassed. I'm hungry. I'm sorry. Okay. Jesse, that's a fantastic job. Isn't that amazing?

Isn't that amazing? Jesse, you are a freaking master. Do you remember writing that, Steve? Because you didn't. No. There you go. that's how photoshop works now even if he had

even if he had he's dead Jesse even if he had written it he wouldn't remember it no I mean I let's be honest

no cause I'm Skip Bayless and I'm important and I have shit to do so let let's uh let's head on over to tropical Winnipeg that's such a struggle

let's head on over sorry there are so many things on this show sometimes where I go this should be easy this should be easy and that's not your fault

that's not a slice of I've had to wake up really early the last couple days I'm a zombie It must be hard. Oh, shut the fuck up. Why don't you have to win the birdie?

Because Mrs. Dangle's car broke down, so I had to drive her everywhere. Do you have to get up and drive her out? Get up and drive her out. When I'm used to going to bed late. But it's not like you were getting up and going to work at the oil mines. I will give you that, because here's the deal. The oil mines? Where people mine for oil?

I take rocket surgery. I know what I said. Yeah, I'm good at hockey. I'm not good at school. Or whatever Patrick Maroon said before a video went viral. I'm not good at school. It's like two weeks ago. No one remembers.

I want to take you to tropical Winnipeg. Home of NHL's best player, Patrick Laine. Oh, absolutely. NHL's best player, by the way. NHL's best player. Where a poor, poor Colorado Avalanche reporter. Who, by the way, is from Colorado. From Colorado.

A very cold climate decides to do a report outside because, well, he's from Colorado and probably used to it. But if you're going to do a report, I would do it inside in Winnipeg in the winter. And I think anybody in Winnipeg would say the same. Find a place to do it inside. This guy decides not to. And he probably does more damage to Winnipeg tourism than anybody more recently. Oh, imagine all the dollars being taken away from Winnipeg tourism. maine which has been called the windiest and coldest intersection in canada i would say it's

the windiest and coldest intersection on the planet just being out here i feel like i might die it's it's a death sentence so it's main street and something i didn't catch the other street he's on but main street winnipeg i'm telling you man uh visit central canada in the winter just to see what it's like um because saskatchewan is similar climate um you start to think existential things like how are there people here well okay there's people here because people settled here when was that well it was 200 years ago how the hell did they do that how on earth did you live there before electricity and a lot of them came from the ukraine and it's like things were better here at that point than they were in the ukraine so that just tells you how bad things

were at the ukraine in that point but and that's why like hockey with horse poo was fun yeah yeah road apples they used to call them yeah uh i remember yeah i had a science teacher used to be like yeah we played hockey with horse poo yeah but yeah i read that in bobby bond's book i read that in bobby bond's book and i'm like that guy's still alive like that's not an ancient historical figure scored a goal to win a cup with a broken leg and he's still alive in in my parents lifetime. That's nuts. That's not Abe Lincoln. No. That's Bobby

Bond. No, that's a different kind of tough, man. And I feel like, especially Winnipeg, because it's, like in Edmonton, it gets that cold, but Edmonton is, I think, a little less humid, and that actually makes a difference. It's a different kind of cold, and unless you've

lived in Alberta or Saskatchewan, and Manitoba to a certain degree, but I find it to be a little bit more humid there, You don't understand the difference And the same goes for the states If you are in the Midwest in the states You know what I'm talking about That dry cold is a lot different than a wet cold

You get instantly sick Yes Winnipeg minus 40 Celsius in the winter Plus 40 with mosquitoes In the summer And apparently they have trucks that roll down the street And spew chemicals into the air to kill the mosquitoes

There's that many Oh that's good That's good That's an 80 degree difference And people live that their whole lives That is a whole different kind of tough I would love to know I don't know, maybe you're a scientist

Or some kind of medical student Mr. Scientist Perhaps even a Mrs. Scientist Reach out Do people in crazy cold climates Like that just have different blood I wonder Something in them that

Cause like My buddy Tom From Winnipeg Doesn't think much of it Dress shirt and like Bubble vest Standing in line for a bar And he's fine

Everyone else is in like A Canada Goose parka And Dying Yeah And they laugh on our Extreme cold weather alerts For nine degrees

Minus nine degrees here I know And they're like Well that's Normal But that's the types of cold Cause it's humid The wind chill is

Ridonculous It says minus nine And you look at the thermometer Like you dirty liar Yeah It's 15 degrees colder than that All the Americans are confused right now Whatever

Use the proper measurement Jesse's bored Where's the coldest place you've ever been? Here Haven't you been to Montreal in the winter? I have It was in March It was as cold as it was here

I went to a party outside in Edmonton For my 23rd or 24th birthday I was there with my co-host at the time, Denae, in Calgary. And so she had lived in Edmonton for five years and worked at a station up there called The Bear, I think. They're all called The Bear. Yeah. Or The Moose.

The Moose is Ontario. The Bear is Edmonton. The Bear, The Moose, and The Dock. So it was a rock station. And so they had us up for this thing called, I forget what it's called. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Burning Man. They play shuffle.

It's a guy's garage Who's a big radio personality there And they play shuffleboard You know the shuffle Like And they call it shuff Sorry which birthday Of this

This is 23 or 24 You sure the numbers Aren't like reversed Yeah well Anyway so they're playing They play shuffleboard And it's in this garage And none of them think

Anything of it Because they're all From Saskatchewan Or from Calgary Or from Edmonton And it's freezing It's April 13th And it is

There is two feet of snow On the ground It's miserable cold Every day is Carnival. Yes. Yes. And I remember I got a little drunk and I fell asleep on a couch outside. And then it snowed so much that night that somebody moved the tarp that was over me and

a whole bunch of snow just dumped on me. And it was just a miserable, cold evening. And I just, it's different. It's a different cold. I don't mean to bring it down, but like, you got to be careful. That's how people die. Well, yeah, but I was in someone's driveway. I didn't like it.

No, I know. You were around people. Yeah. But there was a player, when I was doing RBC Junior Hockey Magazine, he got sent down, I want to say from the Everett Silver Tips, and he played Junior A with the Winnipeg Saints, and he died. Wow. He passed out in a snowbank, and like, you can't survive the night. No. No.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. And yeah, it was real sad. Really, really crazy. You got to be careful, man. Hey, shoutouts to you guys out there who are right, and by the way, tomorrow being the first day of winter. you're in for it everybody's in for it

so good luck to you all I want to talk to you about being a first day of winter it hasn't happened yet yeah it hasn't even happened so I want to talk about being a fan

and how hard it is to be a fan of certain teams right welcome to my life so obviously Toronto Maple Leafs fan has been pretty hard it was pretty hard

to be a Blue Jays fan up until like a couple years ago Raptors fan really hard for a long time you can think Islanders think Florida Panthers

think Vancouver recently think Arizona slash Phoenix slash Scottsdale slash wherever the hell they are now the Raptors rising is one of the

strangest I've seen because usually it's an acquisition of someone they got rid of Rudy Gay and immediately got good

yeah because Rudy Gay was the trademark in the franchise it's ridiculous yeah the best moment in the franchise's history

not drafting Vince Carter getting rid of Rudy Gay who at the time was seen as their best player still probably the best Raptor ever an inch away

from trading Kyle Lowry an inch away they had a deal with the Knicks and then they it fell through yeah it fell through

the Knicks didn't go through it was the Knicks that turned it down I love those stories crazy right I love those stories so they end up making the playoffs

of the year crazy so Cleveland this year Cleveland hasn't made the playoffs in like 10 years

Cleveland Browns I was about to say Cleveland had a good year the Indians and Cavs great year sorry let me correct myself The Cleveland baseball team

And the Cavaliers Great year Yep The Cleveland Browns Are 0 for 13 this year 14 0 for 14 now Sorry

Are you serious? They're 0 for 14 There's only one other team I believe It was the Dolphins Like in 2009 or something That went 0 for 16 It was either the Dolphins

Or the Lions I feel like it was the Dolphins But look it up I think it was the Lions Yeah I think it was the Lions Okay Detroit Lions 2008

Detroit Lions 2008 Okay fine Both were bad. We'll just put it that way. We got one! Ha ha! So according to Daryl Reuter, Reuter,

Reuter, from Cleveland, Clevelanders would rather watch Steelers than Browns. Well done. CBS affiliate getting bombarded with requests for the Pittsburgh-Cincinnati game that happened this Sunday. So let me just put this into perspective for you.

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, rivalry. Yeah. Like, Clevelanders hate the Steelers, hate the Bengals, would rather watch the Bengals than Steelers. That's like us wanting to watch a Habs-Sens game over a Maple Leafs game. That's how much, that's how mad they are. Like, I was so mad at the Leafs, and I was so mad at what happened, and even in the worst of the Peter Horacek era, I still would rather watch a Leafs game over a Habs and a Sens

game. I am that much of a fan. I would rather, I would have probably rather watched other games. I don't know about that. I don't know about rivals man My favorite part of the whole Cleveland Browns thing Is the last quarterback

To win a game For the Cleveland Browns Is still Johnny Manziel I know What? Yes He's the last QB to win a game For the Cleveland Browns

Oh my god Dude You have got It is They are a gong show And they're not just a gong show How come? Honestly

Ownership They can't stick to any plan Because ownership Aren't the Raiders supposed to be a gong show? They are. But they're making the playoffs, aren't they? Well, yeah. For the first time since 2002.

Gee. And I hate to say it this way, but it took their owner, who I believe is Al Davis Sr., it took him passing for there to finally be a change. Oh, Blackhawks fans might know a thing or two about that. Yeah. Well, didn't they? They had an owner who didn't want to put games on TV because he thought it would hurt the box office for people buying tickets to the game.

And now they're- Crazy! That was the biggest franchise in the NHL. By the way, that was the freaking 90s. He was afraid of that in the 90s. Not the 90s, like early 2000s. Like, he didn't want to put games on TV. He didn't understand that TV might have brought in more money.

I saw a great damn stat on our hockey. Can you bring that up? Reddit Hockey. It might still be one of the top posts. Remember when Patrick Steffen missed the wide open net? Yeah. He was on the Dallas Stars, I think. Yep, here it is.

Oh, and then they came back. Wasn't it against Edmonton? Yeah, it was against Edmonton. And Edmonton came back and scored. Edmonton comes the other way, ties the game with like maybe less than a second to go. Oh, I remember that one. Or did they get the... No, no, no, yeah, they would have had to tie it because...

They won it over time. That's right. So, get this from Reddit. This blew my mind. Patrick Steffen failed to score on an empty net, causing the Oilers to tie the game with seconds remaining, earning a point. That point pushed them over the Blackhawks in the standings. Both teams finished with 71 points, but the Oilers had the tiebreaker.

The Hawks ended up winning Patrick Kane. If Stefan scored, the Oilers would have Kane right now. It's crazy to think how much different the NHL would be today if Stefan had just scored on that empty net. Whoa, man. How many Edmonton fans just threw up? So they won The lottery

To draft Patrick Kane Yes And he was the undisputed Who was drafted next? JVR It was the first ever American 1-2 By the Flyers

And then Who did Edmondson finish? Yeah where did they draft? And why did No no Because The Flyers Not the Flyers

The Blackhawks won the lottery right? Yeah So the Oilers would have been In the position That the Blackhawks were in Oh So they would have had the same balls And would have fallen that way

Where did Edmonton Where did Edmonton In 2007 That's a That's a great question That'll be fun Wasn't Cam Barker Oh

No it wasn't him Was he a first round pick Dude Cam Barker Cam Cam Barker was picked By the Blackhawks Third overall The Oilers drafted

Sam Gagne At six Wow they went All the way to six eh Yeah Oh god the Blackhawks Lucked out so hard I guess they won

a pretty big lottery then. The Blackhawks. They did. They moved up quite a bit, I remember. Oh. And Sam Gagne, by the way,

like completely having a monster season for the Blue Jackets on like a minimum contract. Can I throw something out there? Yes. I feel like from the years 2004 to 2010, 2011,

we're going to look back on them as that last half of the 2000, the first decade of the 2000s. And we're going to look at that and go, that was a very weird transitional time for hockey. like it was sort of its own gong show in the sense that there were a lot of teams that really

hadn't figured anything out they hadn't figured out like i'll point to the leafs no drafts no salary cap uh no idea what's going no no adaptation to the fact that the red line didn't matter as much anymore the the 0405 lockout changed the sport yes it made it two different sports and You didn't really realize it at the time. But go back and watch the Leafs' 2002 playoff run. I was saying this about Zach Hyman's punch from the Ducks game that got called. That would never be called in the early 2000s. Like, not even that long ago.

That would never be called. The clutch and grab stuff is crazy to watch now. You could murder your opponent legally and get a two-minute minor. Yep. Yep. And it happened a lot. All the time. Sundin, imagine how many more goals Sundin would have in this era.

Oh Crazy That guy He should have been Nicknamed Rudolph Because every time He got on a break He had two guys

Hanging off of him He was always Pulling a sleigh Holy I see what you did there You see Because I had to Explain

You made it work Hey man You made it work You made it work Are the Blackhawks Right now the most Underrated team in the NHL Aren't they

Like Their first Their first By the way With the 29th penalty kill You know why I think They could be underrated Is that everybody's

Bored of talking about how great they are. But wasn't this supposed to be the year everything falls off? I don't think so. This is the least publicized Blackhawks we've ever seen. You know what?

No. I think Jesse might be right there. They were supposed to take a bit of a dip. Really? They were supposed to take a bit of a dip. Well, because they had

all those rookies in the lineup. You're supposed to take some dip, not be the best team in the NHL. Sorry, a depth? A depth. Some depth. There's supposed to be some pet. They were supposed to

experiment with some pet. Black? I look at the top of the line. I look at the top of the stands and I go, Blackhawks? What are you doing here? What are you doing here? They are an unbelievable, unbelievable team. Ann Crawford was out for a little bit.

I think they were missing Keith for a little bit. Stan Bowman, man. And you know, okay, so I'm always... There are a few quotes I've picked up over the years, and some really stick. And one is Dmitry Filipovich's. identify who the bad GMs in the league are. And don't hire them?

No, and call them all the time. Oh, yeah. If you're a GM. Over the last five years, the Blackhawks might be the Leafs' most common trade partner. That's a good point. That says a lot. Dude, Versteeg?

Boland? Verbeauty. Yeah, Verbeauty, Boland, Ponik? The Ponik trade? Which was just a boon for the Hawks. let me just say, how great he's been. It's a good thing he didn't fall off. What else?

Isn't it? Isn't it? Nobody? Nobody? I don't know. I'm saying, remember how great Richard Ponick was at the beginning of the season? But he still, you know what? He has tailed off, but he's still there.

I'm not saying he's bad. I'm just saying he wasn't going to score like that. The Leafs gave them Jimmy Hayes for a second-round pick so that the Leafs could draft Brad Ross. Let's not get into this. No, no, no. I'm going to get into this. Oh, well, no.

I'll get into it for my trade tree thing because that is a trend that I've noticed. A lot of the least most common trade partners over the last few years are really good teams. And I don't think that's a coincidence. I like that. See, I like that as an article. I like that as an article. It's just that we're running out of time. Totally.

And we have lots of things to give away. Well, we've got... Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. So I'm going to read through the poem. So the game is January 23rd against the New York Rangers. And by the way, we'll have more tickets in the New Year. So don't you worry.

New York Rangers, January 23rd, ACC. If you want to go see the Leafs, you were too. Send in your submission to stevedanglepodcast at gmail.com. It was Twas the Night Before Christmas your own way. You had to include Steve, Jesse, and myself. And our lovely sponsors, Panago Pizza. And a few of you decided to send those straight to my email. And I didn't respond, so you're probably like, oh, it didn't go through.

No, I just forwarded it right to the proper email. You're welcome Also it's SteveDanglePodcast At gmail.com So if you sent it to Steve Technically you're disqualified But what if I forwarded it?

Doesn't matter Oh We I believe we're pretty clear Wow that's cold Well You guys are cold Steve

If I am to collect a check For a million dollars And I go to the house Next to the house That I'm supposed to go to And ask them for a million dollars I'm not gonna get a million dollars Alright there Adam

Let the meat cake wild Well Jesse Where did that come from? Am I wrong? You're right Jesse this reminds me Jesse knows that

I am playing by Jesse's rules here This reminds me of Something Adam Wilde Once asked me He goes Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

If they're going to die You better do it And decrease the Surveillance population Scrooge Sorry Let's start with Poem number five

Oh my god So you're reading off The ones that lost? Yes I am That's heartbreaking But you made the top five Okay Okay

I mean you're at least At this point at number 5 You're at least Freddy Gauthier You get nothing But we liked you But we liked you And I think you deserve a shout out What's wrong with that?

Nothing At least they sent it To the right email address Sorry Mr. Scrooge Brock Lintern Twas the night Twas the month before playoffs And all through the city

Leafs fans were distraught Cause the team was still shitty The offense dried up They struggled on D And Panago Pizza Still blocked Hashtag Steve's Pee pee

Yeah God bless you Panago You guys are the best Yes The media had begun To turn on the team There were hot takes Hot takes

Oh spelled like Shawn Mendes Hot dogs And outdated memes Kipper had threatened To punch Kadri in the head In his new segment Sponsored of course

Oh wait Sorry Kipper had threatened To punch Kadri's head in In his new segment Sponsored of course by Excedrin. Damn it, Kiprio's taking my ad dollars. We needed a man

to lift the city's spirits, to make viral the video, and ensure everyone could hear it. The man needed charm, good looks, and wit, but since Merrick was too busy, I guess Steve was it. Steve brainstormed ideas about how to fix the season, while Jesse was bitter and angry for some reason.

Adam Wilde tried as best as he could, but despite his large head, his ideas were not that good. Yo, this is number five? This is number five! Steve needed to help compete. I said not to do the whole poem. It's bloody long. Steve needed to help complete his uplifting statement,

so his blogging friends emerged from their mom's basements. On Jeffler, on Bobby, on Sean McIndoe. McIndoe? McIndoe. McIndoe. It's Down Goes Brown. Oh, is that Down... I wouldn't have known that was his name.

Oh, really? Yeah. There you go. Hi, Sean. I thought he was born Down Goes Brown. Yes. Okay. Well, I figured that, mate.

I read his article this morning in SportsCenter.com. No, no. His blogging name is Sean McIndoe. His birth name... Is Down Goes Brown. Yes. Oh, okay. We're never getting through this.

Now Leafs Nation, PPP, and others, I don't know. Some bloggers be getting paid, but not these guys. So fortunately for Steve, they worked for Panago Pies. They tried to get players to help increase views, but a player is a ghost if he's a player of Lose. Ooh. Good line. Finally, the video was beginning to build. They...

oh your poetry snaps I thought you were trying to get my attention that would be so rude hey they cadre Bob Rossed it and said hi to Phil Steve used his finally the video was beginning to build they cadre Bob Rossed it

and said hi to Phil Steve used all of his tricks like yelling and falling he finally knew that this was his calling Steve told the media to back off the team that jealousy is what made them all so mean he pushed them to stop with all of the attacks He said

Watch the game And damn it, know the facts The team is still young And needs more time to grow But they're more entertaining Now than the last decade or so With Austin and Marner We have lots of hope

And Nylander's hair is so goddamn dope This video was a hit And broke the net It was a message all hockey fans soon won't forget Sorry, won't soon forget The city brightened The city brightened And fans let out a cheer

Remember We all remembered The Leaf motto We'll get him next year Wow That's number five? I'm exhausted Did you pick this?

Huh? We picked it We picked it We picked it That's right Alright here we go I was involved Hello Steve, Jesse, and Adam

My name is Matt I live in Tampa Not eligible for the rewards On this contest But I was still hoping to share my poem Huge fan of the podcast Been listening for about a year now Helped me get through

Some difficult times Sorry about those difficult times Matt Love you Silly as that sounds doesn't sound silly at all I listen to every episode guaranteed happiness and laughter

well we appreciate that let me cut you off there like this podcast helps us through difficult times yeah like this is

my favorite thing I do I think like maybe even more than the videos I don't even have to question it it is my favorite yeah for sure

right that's the new this is the yeah the new one is that okay yeah oh boy there was an old number four

that Jesse has now taken out So we'll never know You are ruthless Well he has to be he's the producer I now feel for teachers It felt like grading papers when I was going through some of these And it took a while Bless you Mrs. Nagel

There was lots of messages And imagine lots of poems So god bless Jesse for going through these I tried to be part of a website a long time ago But it involved me editing everyone's work Nope And I did like two runs of it And I was like done

I can't. Someone said to me once in high school, they're like, oh, you'd be a great teacher. And I was like, nope. Not a chance at all. Nope. I don't know how people do it. Like Stephen Birch.

I don't know how that guy does that. And does all the, he tweets all the time. I'm like, how do you, how do you ever mark a paper? You're constantly doing research. It's crazy. Anyway, it was the night before Christmas and Steve Dangle was a mess. The Leafs had just lost and he lost

and he cried in distress. I'm noticing a pattern here. The Leafs are always losing. Could anyone save Steve from his absolute worst fear That the Toronto Maple Leafs would again finish last this year A ring at the door And Dangle got up to take a peek It was Adam and Jesse who said

I know how to end the streak They dined on Panago Pizza Of course And revealed their master plan To once again revive Dangle's faith As a Leafs fan Steve, we bring with us a plan So special

That ensures Austin Matthews becomes a champ Like Phil Kessel No, you're crazy, that's impossible to achieve No, Steve, please You've got to believe Oh, alright, what is this master plan? Jesse and I have brought you A talented man

In walks Drew Doughty, a Fraud Norris Trophy winner Shocked by this sight Dangle spits out his dinner But why on earth Would Drew want to play here? It's simple, Steve Dangle To spread some holiday cheer By the way, holiday is spelled like Matt Holiday, the baseball player

Not holiday the holiday You know what I appreciate people Who can Write dialogue And rhyme Yeah it's good Yeah

My job is simply To bring Toronto a cup A sight you can cherish With Iggy Your pup Six months have passed And the Hawks and Leafs Six months have passed

And the Hawks and Leafs meet Game seven Heading to overtime Oh baby What a treat Oh baby Dangle Adam and Jesse

All in attendance for the game Because we all have $10,000 for a ticket Praying the Leafs win otherwise That'd be a shame Dowdy has a puck and is ready to fire But loses an edge causing him to blow a tire Here comes Patrick Kane Soaring up the right wing

If he were to score that That would surely sting He fires the shot Anderson deflects it into the air The packed ACC crowd All quiet can only stare Richard Ponick Waxes stick at the puck

A son Steve Dangle Shouts Dolly fuck Does it say D apostrophe Holy fuck Dolly fuck Not quite

Poetic license Rolling past the goalie On its way in The 2017 cup The Chicago Blackhawks win Steve was in tears I hate this one He sat there and cried

As his only thoughts were God I just want to die the trio of friends left the arena and walked all about the only thing worse the only thing worse than this

would have been if they'd lost in that bullshit shootout good play yeah that's right by the way if that was actually how the Leafs lost

I would walk home I would walk to Oshawa from the ACC I don't think you'd make it I think you'd probably die I think you'd jump in front of the go train

before that maybe or I'd try to find a moose I'd walk far enough north I mean I would expect not to hear from you for at least 24 hours but I feel like walking to Oshawa I mean let's google map that for a second

I would just periscope the whole thing just deal with gotta create some content out of this cause I'm not making an LFR gotta make a video that's the LFR I sure hope Steve vlogs this Dude if I get hit by a car

I'm gonna be like Just in the hospital guys Wait gotta make the LFR I'm really sad And suicidal right now But gotta make that LFR Can't miss an episode Cause you know people

Are gonna be like When's the LFR up I know it's the most Bullshit moment Of your entire life But what the fuck Where's the video I think my

Yeah Steve's on Meerkat And nobody can find him You remember Meerkat right No The original Periscope Oh I never used it

It was the original Periscope I do remember it though Like ICQ Alright The walking distance From the Air Canada Center To Oshawa Is 10 hours

I would do it You could take Kingston Road All the way down You know what I would walk All the way home And get breakfast

At Teddy's In Oshawa And then go home And cry If it was a warm enough night I'd walk with you It'd be June night It'd be June

You guys would walk For 10 hours 10 hours? I have a buddy Who biked to his cottage And it took like Yeah Took him all day

Yeah that's different that's biking I mean it's still really hard physical activity for like a day you can bike for 5 hours

for 8 hours but walking for 10 is a little aggressive you think wait which do you think is easier I think

I think biking would be easier no way it's 50 kilometers biking 50 kilometers is easier than walking 50 kilometers yeah

yeah no that's not what you said your feet would get so sore I'm never gonna get out of here oh yeah no you're not sorry

We got too much to get through This is from Paul Chin Paul Chin Paul Chin from Boston Can't win the tickets That's why he's at number three Well maybe not the whole reason So congrats number one

You won by default Because everybody else Is from somewhere else Twas the night before Christmas And all through the night Steve Dangle was screaming And shaking of fright The cameras were hung

Round the house with care And the last LFR Gave everyone a scare The millennials were nestled All snug in their beds While visions of printers Danced through their heads many leaf scratches

and the team near the cap oh and I guess we can call Frankie's career a wrap dark man out of Steve's basement arose such a clatter I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter my James he screamed in a flash I hope he doesn't do something rash

I just hoped he wouldn't do something rash sorry about that it's that Frenchie I tell you he said with a screech I'll bet he's with my James somewhere on a beach when what to my wondering eyes should appear but adam wilde with steve's james and a beer with the sound of an uber and many hot takes i knew in a moment it was young jesse blake oh wow whoo the cast of the podcast was for some reason here and they decided to go uh and they and then

they decided to go to a panago near that was good it's very shakespearean i like that On Jakin On Timber Now Kale And Steel Boomer On Nishka On Nathan On Edge

And Jersey Those are the names From the WHL That's all Now go record You've got Friedman on call Very nice Paul Very nice

Alright I gotta keep going Don't stop now That was very slam poetry At the end Oh And this is great Because this is actually recorded It's a little long

I think it's a couple minutes So I don't know if you wanna It's okay we got time We got time I hope it's not too late I'd record it in mp3 If you like it If not

Go fuck yourself That's from Zach This is not the Bill Burr podcast You cannot just Tell us that And this is the Runner up

This is the Runner up Go fuck yourself Oh This is number two Wow Twas the night Before Christmas

And all through Steve's house Was Steve Adam and Jesse Side by side All passed out Now you might find that odd? Do they always hang

there? Well, this time was different, but I'll skip the love you dang lair. It was the night before Christmas, so many reasons to be nice. But Babcock just won't play Corrado, not even twice. But covering it up like a dead body was loop-ho-loo

as Saint Nick was coming with so many jolly things to do. He rode into the six and up to the schwa. He thought, should I hit Libvidge? Well, Jesse's already at Steve's, so nah. It made such a clatter, like an 18-wheeler off a cliff or a leafer yelling after a 4-1 lead shatters. Up woke the three boys, our three amigos, to responsibly defend their house like three Jared Amigos.

They raced to the window like Zach Hyman on a loose puck, but they saw nothing. So unlucky, their PDO must be fucked. Adam said, fellas, I think it's Santa, wow. And Steve said, you're right, the opportunity is now. jesse said this is stupid i'm going back to bed so adam piped up and said hey just like steve's peepee that's what she said oh my god that was a great he laughed the leader of the gang had had enough and he dragged them down stair by stair and what they saw next would not disappoint them like a hunwick and polak pair they saw presents under the tree and stockings full to the rim

A deep dish threets up from Panago Pizza. It's what's inside that counts, TM. Adam looked up to Jesse. Are all those for us? In Jesse's big sexy voice, he said, oh, maybe. But in the corner of Steve's eye, he saw the upper deck sign. So Steve let out a big bob call. Oh, baby.

Pretty good. They were all for them. Even a bone for Iggy. Their excitement could not be contained in a bit. Well, maybe Steve was the calm one. This isn't a new one. He said, oh, God, no way. More free shit.

He was supposed to go to the tree he thought, which box is my gift in? So he searched and he searched until he spotted a tag that said, from Santa to Producee Shipman. He thanked the immortal and let out a chortle, excited to see what was inside. He said, no frickin' way, a jersey of Dalton Pompeii, so the girls would all hang by his side. And next to the tree was Adam with Glee. His booming laugh was enough to make someone turn their car radio down. So he opened the gift. And oh, look at this! Laundry tokens for my jeans that went brown.

And Sasha said, no, I read and I quote, stop putting your pants in the freezer. Adam thought, how could I make such a weird mistake? Santa's such a smart old geezer. And last to the tree was Steve and Iggy. Steve saw his new hockey card. It was Felix the Cat with a slick autograph, but that wasn't the gift that starred. He couldn't believe what Santa achieved, a groundbreaking toy Steve was so keen on. Steve pressed a red button, and straight out of nothing, Iggy turned into a Pokemon.

There was one last shot for the boys to take in, and this one was bigger than the rest. A massive man with a red suit and hat who stood about as high as Jesse's chest. But then it was Steven who yelled, can you believe it? And Adam yelled back, I can. It was Santa himself, and Jesse grabbed a cookie off the shelf and handed it to the great man. Santa said, I just loved the podcast when the Leafs were in dead last and Steve was losing his mind. And Steve said, that's great, but isn't it late? Can you get all the toys out on time?

Santa said, you're right, there's no time. Pittsburgh's next in line. I wish I could stay and chill. And Adam was nervous, and he was nearly wordless, but said, hey, say hello to Phil. You know, Kessel. Santa shot an awkward smile and grabbed his toy pile and shot himself up the chimney, dodging the pottery.

Steve yelled out, Santa, just one more wish. I have to insist. Can we have Nolan Patrick or Lil' Yeagerin in the lottery? Santa giggled away and then hopped in his sleigh and called out from his reindeer from right to left. On Marner, on Willie, on Matthews, and Riley, on Bozak, on Freddy, Hyman, and Saitsev.

And in Christmassy magic, Santa's sleigh took flight. Saint Nick yelled, Merry Christmas to all! And to all, a good night. Wow. Thank you. Wow. Okay, production values, great.

Read, great. Rhyming scheme. rhyming was a little little Wayne now a little Wayne that was supposed to be number two that was

yeah I said it was number two but if we read number one and you guys enjoy number two better would you ever flip flop oh Jesse

you can't just throw a curveball at us like that that was good that was really good you see I enjoyed the story of number one

the best see Adam You can't fuck this reading up. I don't give extra points for the production and the reading. You were supposed to write us a poem. The producer doesn't give extra points for the production. See, I did say get creative with it to stand out, right? Adam, if you Elmer Fudd this shit.

I think I've done pretty well so far. There's been a lot of reading. A lot of reading. Don't Elmer Fudd this shit. So right now we have the top two. And I guess, do you want to let Steve decide after we read the one I think? Oh, this is cruel. This is really cruel.

Jesse, you're the worst. Let me just say you're the worst. Because here's what Jesse's done. Instead of him being the bad guy, now we have to be the bad guy. You see how he politically outmaneuvered us there? Not we. He said me. I'm the bad guy.

I am all the way the bad guy. Okay. I picked one, but there's other people on this podcast. And you guys got opinions as well. You heard them all. It is fair to say that I haven't heard these yet. Okay. Okay.

You haven't heard or seen any of these. Okay, you ready? Let's go. It was the night of hockey and all through the house, the idiots were working like a young Lawson Krause. Steve was yelling. Adam was cheering, watching the Leafs blow a lead when suddenly there was a knock at the door and Jesse wondered who it could be.

He opened the door and to his surprise, it was a man dressed in blue. Sorry, it was a man dressed in blue and red with a boom and a scream. They thought it was a dream as Jesse laid there dead. What? I don't know. The boys knew who it was as the man walked in. It was Carey Price in his Habits jersey again. Steve yelled, help, till he started to wheeze.

But Carey had a slice of Panago pizza up his sleeve. Carey stuffed it in Steve's face as Adam began to plead. No, stop. I love you, Carey. Everyone stopped to look at Adam. Feeling the pressure, he screamed, I will tell him. So wait, sorry to interrupt you. Carey Price has already shot and murdered Jesse.

and tried to kill me with a piece of pizza? Yes. I like where this is going. Carrie backed off the puzzled Steve as Adam walked to him with a feeling of need. He said, I've always liked the Canadians, Steve. It just took me some time to believe.

It took me... Adam and Carrie left in a pinch. Leaving Steve to say, you little... Grinch? Well, other word. B word. Oh, binge?

Bench. Oh, okay. Love you guys. Keep it up. Alex from Kitchener. I think the story of the murderous Carey Price was the most creative story we got. I think that's pretty funny. But what is the prize?

The prize is the Rangers tickets, Leafs Rangers tickets, January 23rd. How many tickets do we have? We have two tickets. It's up to Steve. Oh, this is so mean. Yeah, I'm not making the call on this one. I'm not wearing this. Because both were great.

I can't. I can't even. Is it going to be Alex from Kitchener, who I just read? Or is it going to be Zach from We Don't Know? Oh, he's going to see us in London, though. You will meet, by the way, if you don't pick Zach, he's going to see him in London. Oh, great. Well, wait, where's Alex from?

Kitchener. I mean, we'll probably see him, too. We should get them both to do some dramatic readings in front of people. That's cruel. Because here's the thing. Do we have to decide today? Yes, we do. Why?

Because Panago has specifically requested that we decide today. They asked for so little. They asked for very little. Fuck. Because they both deserve tickets. Mm-hmm. But... Wait, which one's who?

Matt is... Sorry, so it is Zach, who did the recording. I was assuming Zach somewhere I don't know where Zach is but Alex is from Kitchener it just sucks so much that we have to decide today because I think I could make it better for whoever I don't pick

but I can't do that without talking to you guys we have to decide today this is the top two maybe we'll vote by committee Adam what's your

fucking vote Adam come on which one are you leaning towards I'm gonna lean towards I like I like Zach

you son of a bitch I think Zach I think Zach and that's no offense to Alex who now hates me but Zach not only wrote

an extraordinary five minute long that was five minutes five minute long poem recorded it added Christmas music to it and read it beautifully. I mean, really,

that was a, he went above and beyond and has a great read because most people, you get them behind on a microphone and they're like, it was the night

before Christmas and Steve Dangle, like, it's not easy to, it's not easy to be great in front of a microphone, especially if you're not usually in front of one. I don't know what Zach does,

but he's damn good at it. And he, I don't think he edited it either because he left it in himself laughing. No, no, no, there was cuts. There were cuts?

Jesse could tell I just didn't know this would happen You son of a I picked the top poems we got And I just thought you guys would decide Jesse had Zach listed at number two On Zach You know

Wait So you had the recording listed at number two No it was arbitrary It was not arbitrary So we know which way Jesse voted Steve this still comes down to you and we have other things to get to on this show we don't we do yes oh i'm never getting home um

alex was the one who did the last one zach was the guy who did the recording Wait Alex or Matt Alex So it's Alex and Zach By the way all this dead air It's gotta be really exciting to listen to It's suspense Shut up you're not making the decision

I voted I played my part in the decision Likewise As did Jesse Alex I'm sorry I gotta give it to Zach Ladies and gentlemen, Zach Nevis is going to see the Toronto May Beliefs

and the New York Rangers play each other January 23rd at the Air Canada Center. And that is not to take away from Alex from Kitchener. Give me Alex's email. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because I think I have something for you. Okay, well, that's a good follow-up prize. Well, then I'll log in and do it myself.

He lost, Steve. I'm not giving him Rangers tickets. Guys, here's the deal. I have something that is really, really great. So we want to celebrate Good Congratulations Zach I have something

That's really great And it involves our boy Levi Maestro Oh And I don't It's a contest Where you're first But lose

I don't think we have Well done Yeah Oh no I don't think You just Levi Maestro'd him I don't think we've got time For the Levi Maestro thing

So I'm going to have to save it For the next episode But both of you And by the way Everybody listening to this You are not to send Steve or Jesse Any updates on Levi Maestro

From now on Because I have a great story Someone sent me something and I didn't read it. Do not ruin it because I got something great. Okay? Don't ruin it.

And don't ruin it for yourselves. Gift exchange? Yeah, we'll talk about that. But right now, we got to do, we got to do, yeah, we'll do a gift exchange for sure.

Right now, we have to do the press conference quickly. Okay. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. What is JVR worth

in a trade? Oh my God. how many more times are we going to do this we yeah and like look I'm not criticizing the question

but it's like is it worth it regardless of a playoff run or would keeping him for another four to five years be a better result for the rookies is it worth

is it worth it let me work it I put my thing down flip it and reverse it is your nip nip in my yeah

is your nip nip in my second round if you've got a big stick Okay Let me We know the song

We know the song Are we done here? Okay, alright Keep going Okay, extending him Is gonna be very expensive Cause he is 27

Maybe 28 He's in his prime Scoring like a maniac Last year is his Or next year is his last year 27 Is next year his last year on his contract next season yeah friendly i think so give me a second if there's two left that's a

magical contract he's still on the contract that the flyer signed him to by the way he's a free agent 2018 summer so next year is the last year of his deal yeah interesting because i think he gets like six mil 6.5 he doesn't get less than andrew ladd no you know what i mean so he gets at least six and he's a legitimate net presence every game yep yeah because right now he's making 50 grand higher than tyler bozak which is ridiculous wow yeah that's crazy that's crazy the flyers signed him to a brilliant deal and then traded him um for luke shen by the way uh you're they're gonna have to trade him at some point let's say they extend bozak which by the way i think is a possibility um it's not going to be for much it's going to be for like i would

say about what he's making now jvr is getting a huge raise um so in that sense he might be more likely to go uh you're talking picks there's got to be a first involved i would think maybe even a roster player involved or one hell of a prospect. Yeah, somebody who's going to make as I said. Like an undeniable. Like someone who's going to make the roster within the next 12

to 18 months. Maybe within the first six. I'm thinking like right away. Right away. Yeah, you don't want to trade him. So give an example of a prospect that would fit that bill. Not saying that this is a trade rumor but who would make who would fit that i want a prospect who's going

the like undeniably going to make the nhl um i'm trying to think of a great example so marco dano i don't know if he's lived up to billing in winnipeg but like that was a that was a really highly touted prospect that the blackhawks had to give up for andrew ladd um god you're gonna have to get a lot you're gonna have to get a lot and they're going to trade. It's not a great answer, and it also depends on how the rest of the season goes. If JVR is not very good, the price goes down.

It's like spending money when you're a free agent. JVR gets 15 points between now and the trade deadline. It's obviously not a very high price. Am I weird in thinking that I wouldn't be surprised if JVR moved in that weird window between expansion and draft and free agency? I think, oh God, that is really going to be a fascinating time. I'm so excited for it.

I'm looking forward to that more than the deadline, more than the trade deadline. Oh, trade deadline is boring, quite frankly. I mean, there's not much going on. I'll still watch all day, but there's just so much not happening right now. The annoying thing with the trade deadline is what's killed it isn't... People keep saying the salary cap killed it. That's not true at all. It's that it's like trade deadline two weeks.

nobody's waiting until the final day to make the trades anymore. No. Because you're only going to make mistakes. Like, why would you do that?

Yeah. Yep. We're more focused on the end date, I think, than the GMs are. Yeah. Burke used to say that

all the time. He makes his little trades in the three days before the actual day. Or whatever it is, the weekend before. The Leafs are very, very interesting.

So be as general as possible. Be as general as possible here, but you're talking about a prospect that's going to make the team and make a difference on the team. Like, you're thinking high-end what William Nylander was last year, right? What did, what did, yeah, Adam.

Yeah, somewhere in there. You need someone who's going to jump in and make a difference. What did, what did. The egg say to the potato. Go to NHL, type in NHL trade tracker and look up Andrew Ladd. I want to know what the cost for Andrew Ladd was. Because whatever that was I think it's more

It's not less It's at least the same This website's awesome by the way And I really do I gotta write that trade article Okay so The Jets gave The Blackhawks

Andrew Ladd Jay Harrison And Matt Fraser The Jets acquired Marco Dano who's a former first rounder a 2016 first rounder which I mean was

I don't know the Blackhawks got knocked out first round. Yeah. So it was somewhere in the high teens and a 2018 conditional third rounder comment on the trade

2018 pick is conditional on Blackhawks winning Stanley Cup in 2016. So I don't even know if they got that pick then. Oh you get it's got to be at least

a first and at least a prospect who is at least Marco Dano. Yeah. And I think if I'm the Leafs, given what my timeline window is, I might consider making that trade this year. Because JVR could be more attractive at 4.25 he makes.

4.25. It's obnoxious. And the team gets him next year and then gets to try to re-sign him. And they get to try to re-sign him as of July 1st. So they can't talk extension until then. But if I'm the Leafs and I want to fit the player into my window, I better start getting those extra picks in soon. Either I'm wheeling that pick for the defenseman I'm looking for

or the other amazing centerman I'm looking for. Plus, I'm getting, hopefully, a young centerman back. I would say it makes a lot more sense, if the Leafs are going to draw picks out of this, to pull it now or pull it towards the end of this year, even if it's the end of this season, because you want the pick in this draft if they're going to play with the Nylanders,

Marner, Matthews, that sort of thing. I would think. Keep an eye on need. Keep an eye on who the good teams around the league are. and like the Blackhawks could use a winger like JVR it's a

who couldn't it's a really good well yeah but it's a really good match they have this young you know affordable team and everything

but his brother's on the team they could really I think use another star winger we could really use Trevor Van Reemstek yeah

well maybe we could but you would have to retain salary yeah I think you do that you do that for a year

I'm trying to think of who else could use them. I mean, everyone, really. God, that's interesting. A lot. I think this is a conversation we don't have for at least another month. Interesting trade partner idea, unless they're right up against the cap. Tampa. You want one?

Ottawa. Whoa. Who the Leafs have traded with before. Huge, huge trades. Large implications down the line financially and in terms of talent. Chris Johnson said it on this podcast. they're doing really well can't score

yeah good point it's a thought good point it is a thought it's just a thought Boston Boston we good?

I don't know anyway it's gonna take me two hours to get home basically anywhere next and last question who does Joffrey Lupo

bump out of the lineup if he was healthy? nobody nobody does he play for the Marlies? no If Joffrey Lupo could play tomorrow,

you don't think he'd be in the lineup? He'd be a conditioning stint with the Marlies. For sure. But if he was through that, and he was 100% healthy, you don't think he'd play on the Toronto Maple Leafs? That's the thing, though. If he was 100% healthy, yes, he would.

But he's not. And the thing is that I don't know that Joffrey Lupo will ever be 100% healthy again, period, end of story. This is what the scenario is, if he was healthy. so I wrote well then he wouldn't if he was healthy then he wouldn't be

on Robida Island right yeah but we're saying he comes off Robida Island and he's healthy it's a fake scenario well if there's anything this season taught us

it's that just because you're on the Leafs roster doesn't mean they'll play you yes so I think he's just a healthy scratch healthy scratch until someone's hurt

and then he doesn't bump anyone he just takes the spot of whoever got hurt yes there you go I wrote about the Jake Gardner trade tree

it's a fascinating trade looking back on it but there's a interview Elliot Friedman called into the Dean Blundell show or Blundell and company

and it was before the season so it's it's interesting looking back he was talking about Lupo and Jared Cowan in the same breath

Cowan's argument was you can't do this to me I was hurt there's Lupo's argument would be I'm not hurt you can't do this to me

yes but he hasn't done that I wonder why Elliot Friedman said in that same interview, his body's taken a lot of, a lot of hard, hard hours on that. It's like the Roby dog thing. Like it's not out of the question that Roby dog can't play anymore.

Uh, loophole too. Maybe, maybe it's, that's very confusing. And I, and I kind of cut myself off at the end of that article. Like not yet,

not yet. We're not ready to write that yet. so our next episode will be our last before Christmas as far as I know we're going to do episodes next week

and then the week after we're going to take we're going to take a week off yes because all of us we basically all three of us

this is our last chance to have a break until free agency basically so July we're talking about

we're talking about a sprint a six month sprint and remember that we all have jobs outside of the show the 800 meter dash of podcasting

yeah it's going to be real busy So, like I said, new episodes next week. New episode Thursday. We'll do a gift exchange. We'll have some Levi Maestro. We're going to do a little What's Up in Livvidge. All the greatest hits.

Plus, whatever the Leafs are. Hopefully, the Leafs do well in their back-to-back. Antoine Bebo, which we did not mention, has been called up. Whoa, the Leafs are playing back-to-backs? Whoa. So weird. Whoa. My God.

So, we'll be back. Can't wait to talk to you then. Can't wait to get this Levi Maestro thing, man. I can't wait to finally eat my chicken. follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake the steve dangle podcast brought to you by panago pizza order at panago.com and stuff your face with deliciousness