The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Dec 27, 2016 - Nyeeh

Episode Date: December 27, 2016

On this episode, the guys discuss Steve Downie's tangent, hockey culture, the fact that Auston Matthews is a Leaf, then rip on movies and tweets for a while. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Gentlemen. Adam. Post-Christmas, how are we feeling? Uh, not as hungover as I was yesterday. So that's good. Tired. We were talking about this before the show. For Jesse and I, drunk at Christmas was not a thing. Nope. Like, never was a thing. And Steve, this is a fairly new thing for you.

It is a new thing, because I never did it. On the Italian side, you maybe have a, you know, maybe a liqueur. Maybe a glass of wine or two. You still, you know, one of you drives, the other doesn't. You know, still all safe. The Italians play it responsibly? Oh, yeah, believe it or not. Get the hell out.

Oh, yeah, or you just stay over at Nonna's. Yeah, that's what you should do. Enjoy leftovers for breakfast. You know, so a little bit of drinking, but not getting drunk. Mm-hmm. With my new Scottish in-laws, that is very changed. Just a completely different experience. Oh my God. Beer, wine, rum, scotch, Baileys.

I think, what else did I have? Oh my God. A lot. And you're the only scotch drinker in the family. Yeah, it's me and my older brother-in-law are the only two people drinking scotch. And I assume the only two people who woke up with pounding headaches. I'm sure. I'm sure. Scotch is so good, but just right to the brain. You just feel the damage you're doing to your head with every sip.

It's so good, though. It is really good. It is really good. Do we have a good Christmas? Everybody get a good, you know, feel good? Santa Claus is good to you? Merry Christmas, isn't it? Yeah, it was nice and pleasant.

What'd you do? Did you see your family? Yeah, I got to go home to Mississauga. Wow, how'd you get there? The GO train, actually. Spent two days there. It was good. Well, as we record this,

I walked through the hallways here at Rogers with Steve, and he said to me, it was a great drive-in today. I said, oh, yeah? And he's like, it only took 45 minutes. Wow. And then Adam laughed. And then I had a resentment towards Adam.

And I can't explain. How long is your drive? It took me seven total minutes to get here. Seven minutes. And that is because I passed Jesse on the way a police car that got smashed by a Mazda SUV. Oh, God. So I avoided an accident and still got here in seven minutes. I should be able to legally kick you in the ass for saying that.

I really should. And I also You're wearing some new bling today I am wearing some new bling Adam gave me a dead watch It is a dead watch, it's true No, it's a really nice watch It's dead, oh yeah, it's very dead

So this is not a Christmas gift Adam bought this for my wedding Which, by the way, was in 2014 Yes And he kept meaning to get it engraved And then he never did So now it's a watch that doesn't tell time That's right

I got you the real life infinity watch for our real life Levi Maestro except mine has hands though you should have

engraved Levi can you imagine wreck a perfectly good expensive watch yep just for a joke this syncs up so well with my wrist

by the way if you want a good time you should check out his Twitter account as in like people have been sending I guess people have

discovered Levi Maestro's Twitter account A lot of inspiration. One of the tweets I got was, how much art is in your art? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. How much art? What does he do?

Anyway, let's talk about hockey. You know what? Unfortunately, you know, we've got the World Junior Championship to talk about and that sort of thing. But the thing that we've got to talk about first are the tweets that Steve Downey was sending right before the Christmas break. Oh, why do we have to talk about this? Let's talk about the games. Oh, there were none. Yeah, so that's...

There were none. And also, I think it's an important thing to talk about. So if you missed it, and Steve missed it because Steve is blocked by Steve Downey. Yeah, unbeknownst to me, until recently. I mean, that makes sense, though. You could always just sign out and read their tweets. Yeah, but I don't want to do that. Open a new window.

I'm not famished for Steve Downey tweets. I'm like, oh, man. And it's not like they're not, like, screenshotted and just thrown up on the internet. No, no one's ever done that. So it starts December. I mean, I've talked garbage about Steve Downey over the years. I'm sure you're tagging me, too. On the ice, he was a lunatic, so how can you blame him?

Yeah, no, no, I did too. I thought he was a terrible, deplorable person. Like the worst person since Matt Cook. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, but that's not his fault, as we've learned. Well, so here are the tweets. I'm going to read them out to you.

There's a lot, so bear with me, okay? So it says, this starts on Festivus Eve, so December 23rd. Yes. First, shout out to Max Domi. Haha, what a punch. Second, shout out to Dave Tippett and Newell Brown on running a great program down in Arizona. there's a reason they're in last every year

hashtag classless and by and he didn't write there as in they are he wrote T-H-E-R-E Newell Brown by the way I think I was trying to think of his name

a few podcasts ago that is Matt Duchesne's uncle oh wow yes only Steve would know things only Steve would know but don't ask him to divide

or do taxes no yeah I was talking about I was just randomly talking hockey with family this Christmas I was like oh yeah Ackie Berg

and you know he was picked third overall the Leafs also got Chad Kilger who was picked fourth overall that year and they're like why do you know that

yeah and every now and then a family member will jump in and be like well that's his job to know that no no

I knew that when I worked at the zoo so why do I know that well because you you were ready for this job before you got it

oh damn so prepare for the job you want that's right you're ready for the ticket selling at the zoo job

that you have that's right if you're always ready you never have to get ready oh damn oh damn Jesse

third That was a Conor McGregor picture. A meme shared by your aunt. With a minion on it. Share and an angel will appear. I hate those so much. Here's a dub with writing. Third, Peterborough Peets are better run than the Arizona Coyotes.

Fourth, I've never played on a team when my best player broke his hand in a fight. Ha ha ha, this game has changed. Or tip, it's an idiot. Another classless move done by Tippett. This really put over the edge last year and made me quit on Arizona. All right, so this is where it gets interesting. The way they treated Big John Scott, I remember watching Tippett laugh at Big John,

working his butt off. I guess his ass off for the team. I can say that. I've already said ass. Classless. John Scott is the best teammate I've seen in a long time. My last game I played for the Coyotes, Dave, the man Tippett, didn't let me skate for four days.

Not even a morning skate. Then he randomly wants me in the lineup. F-ing classless. He was a little mad. Colin Campbell, or sorry, Colin Campbell, asked John Scott if his kids were going to be embarrassed he's going to an All-Star game. What a joke.

John gets mad at Colin, or Colin, I keep calling him Colin, I don't know why, and tells him that Arizona trades him. Who's the puppet? That's enough for now. Merry Christmas to all. And then it wasn't enough. Yeah, that was not enough at all.

Arizona Coyotes, Christian Thomas flies Christian Thomas from Minnesota to Providence after sending him down. He makes it to Providence just in time for the game. Christian had season-ending surgery that night. Not fair. If I was an agent, I would not let any of my players anywhere near that team. And to all a good night. And he still wasn't done. Big Russ of the Avalanche has been stuck in a hotel for three weeks with a concussion.

I wish I knew I would have got him the help he needed. I would have done it three weeks earlier. NHL plus concussions equals an effing joke. And then somebody tweeted him and said, speaking of concussions, and it's a gif of him absolutely destroying, I believe it's Dean McCammon, but I can't tell. Yeah, it's a horrible hit. Absolutely horrible hit.

Okay, is Downey on the Flyers and the other player on the Sens? No, no, he's on the Penguins. Was he on the Tampa Bay? Here, let me see here. Yeah, have a look at this one. Maybe it's not. It might even be Ben Lovejoy. Oh, yeah.

I think so. Wait, is that even Downey? I don't even know. I think it's supposed to be. Look at it. He jumps into the thing. So, anyway, you'll see all this on Steve's account. Steve Downey's account, that is.

He said, this hit is what happens, and it's a jumping hit from behind the net. Player's got his head down, and the other player leaves his skates, slams into this guy's head. That hits what happens when you watch Don Cherry Rock'em Sock'em videos from age 5 to 18 Nothing good comes from those videos

I did what I did I did what I had to do to play I still think about what I did to Dean McCammon And what I caused his family to go through But again, I did what Don Cherry said to do Every Saturday night Just effing disgusted when I look back Wish I never played

Sorry Don, but you called me a bleep For wearing a visor and trying to protect my eyes Sad thing I listened to you The difference between a classy organization and a classless organization. I got a concussion with Arizona, and they don't call or check up. They actually sent me to a knee doctor. Yeah. When I got the concussion in Philly, I spent three days in a hospital bed.

Ed Snyder came and sat next to me just to make sure I was okay. Which is a great story about Ed Snyder. Great story. And then it gets into the other part of this story. And I'm sorry there was a lot of tweets there, but we needed to hear them all for context because he retweets an article about Mike Peluso. So what you need to know about the Mike Peluso situation is that Mike Peluso was an enforcer for five teams in the NHL. He filed a workers' compensation case in California against the New Jersey Devils, St. Louis Blues, and Calgary Flames. He also played for the Senators and Blackhawks, but they were not named in the claim.

Now, this was filed four years ago. it was so 2012 he files this and it's worth mentioning that like i don't remember really hearing about this ever so it is a little concerning that it was not not really covered last month it was uh an appeals board ruled the devils withheld two documents that peluso's side claim are and were critical to their arguments and had potential to win them the case the two documents are medical reports from december 1993 and february 1994 uh involving a potential head injury Peluso suffered on ice, and apparently it was against

the Leafs, and the fact that he was having seizures at various times after that December fight, thus exposing him to considerable brain damage, were he to suffer trauma to that part of the body. So they withheld documents about this. Peluso was knocked

unconscious in a fight with Tony Twist during a Devil's Nordiques game. That is someone who knocked out a few people. The medical report to probably nobody's surprise uh ruled he'd suffered a concussion peluso then goes on to claim that the devils pushed him back into the lineup for a december 23rd game against toronto uh and now that and it was the devil's coach that pushed him jacques lemaire at the time in the season where uh he suffered a head injury in an incident with toronto's ken baumgartner so that's the

toronto incident uh but regardless peluso stayed in the devil's lineup consistently throughout the rest of the season up until new jersey's elimination by the new york rangers in the Eastern Conference final. So they went deep. So it was 94? Yeah. That would have been the Messier guarantee. Yes.

Yes. So, no, I'm sorry. Downey brought up the Peluso thing? He retweeted it. Okay. Now, he said, you know, I do find it interesting. I do find this interesting, this whole situation interesting, because I think the two are somewhat linked.

um and if you which downy and pelusa well i just think the yeah i think when we're talking about head injuries it talks it it really goes to a bigger issue which is a cultural thing with the game right yes the saber rattling the um you know tough guys get back up and get on the ice and and that sort of back in my day back in my day we were tougher than this now now that's the thing is back in dawn's day people didn't live as long and back in dawn and back in dawn's day they didn't know about neurological injuries due to concussion. They just didn't know. So, there's two sides

to this. He's getting dazed. Yeah. He felt fuzzy. Now, Lou Lamorello and the New Jersey Devils, in Mike Peluso's situation, took away Mike's ability to choose. When you take away, when you withhold documents

that are a player's medical document. I don't understand how you're allowed to do that. It's his medical history. It's not the team's. Well, you're not, though. That's the point, is that you're not.

And Mike Peluso could have pulled himself out of the lineup. But by withholding those documents, now, if the Devils, this goes to court, the Devils are in big trouble because they took away his opportunity to go, this is probably not the best move for me, even though this team is pushing that. Because otherwise, the Devils could argue, well, you chose to put the skates on. You could have told us no, but you didn't. But now he can say, well, I didn't have all the facts, so you guys are actually responsible for this. And that's a big, big deal.

And I think, again, it goes back to what I was going to get to there is the cultural ramifications that this has. There's a couple of blogs out there on SB Nation that have talked about this particular situation and how it all ties in. And they're far more eloquent than I'm being right now. Stanley Cup of Chowder had an interesting look at Steve Downey's comments in the Peluso thing. Now, we understand what kind of player Steve Downey was. Yeah, can I get something out of the way? Sure. Okay, I figure, okay, let's not have the discussion first and then I get into this.

Get it now. Let me get something out of the way because I think Downey brings up some great points. Okay. And the Peluso thing is important to talk about. It's important to talk about Hockey culture being messed up We don't take head injury seriously enough That whole be a man thing

We need to talk about all that But what What about Steve Downey's comments That really really made me mad Is there any blame on himself? A little A little And I think

Don Cherry made you leap into Dean McCammon's brain Steve? No No You did what you had to do to play Your NHL career hadn't begun yet You got suspended 20 games. How did that help your NHL career?

How did that help your NHL career? You want to talk about hockey culture there, Steve? Early in the 2005-06 OHL season, his... By the way, this is referring to Akeem Alou. Oh, I remember this. This is awful. Yeah, Alou was involved in an incident with Steve Downey during practice after the latter player, Alou, or sorry, Downey,

cross-checked him in the face, knocking out three teeth. After leaving for treatment, Alou returned to the ice and fought Downey. The incident stemmed primarily from Alou's refusal to participate in a hazing ritual that would have forced him and the other rookies to stand naked in a cramped bus washroom. The fight and the reasons for it was international news and strained the relationship between Alou and his teammates. As a result, Downey was suspended for five games, Alou for one game. He got suspended for that. Why would he be suspended for that?

Because. And both players demanded trades out of Windsor. Mo Manta was given a 40-game ban from coaching by the league for the incidents and also suspended for one year as the team's general manager. The team was fined $35,000, which in the OHL is a little bit of change. So, again, the coach was involved. Again, it's more toxic hockey culture. For sure, we can talk about it.

Steve, you were a reprehensible hockey player That's not Don Cherry's fault Lots of people watched his DVDs growing up You know what, we've criticized Don Cherry on this podcast a lot I almost got brought to tears one time Talking about how disappointed I was in Don Cherry But you're responsible for your own actions You repeatedly jumped into players' brains, Steve

I watched It's your fault I played hockey for 10, 12 years Every winter And I can tell you I got Rock'em Sock'em Every single Christmas I did not throw ever a headshot

I never cross-checked people in the teeth I never did any of that And neither did any of my friends Who all had the same VHS tape Because it was VHS back then Back in my day Back in my day That's our back in the day

Now, I think that I think Steve's Steve Downey, that is I think his comments are more direct I think Don Cherry's an easy target I think it's more of a culture thing Yes, which is why I wanted to get that out of the way

It made me mad Oh, I wish I had never played You did play and you were an awful player Like, I'm not talking about the quality of player he was The stuff you did was barbaric You got suspended for a long time Why'd you get suspended? Because of hockey culture?

Yeah, they were trying to keep you out of the sports team because you were dangerous to the people around you. You hurt people. How does Dean McCammon feel about these tweets? That would be interesting to know. You apologized. Great. Good for you, but you did it.

Don Cherry didn't do that. I mean, he would have. He's bragged about it. That's exactly the kind of player he would have been. Well, and I guess, you know, Don... I don't know. That made me mad. But now we can have a larger discussion

of the good parts of what Steve Downey was saying. Right. Right? Which is... And by the way... Does that make sense? Yes. Yes.

I think it is interesting because it's interesting because Don Cherry was on record of calling the guys who called, you know, all the fighters from the 80s and 90s who were filing these Warriors! No, Warriors at the time but now he calls them pukes for going after the league It is ridiculous

and so Don deserves to be criticized Don deserves to be criticized for this and I think, here's the thing we're looking at we're looking at a major, major transition that's happening very quickly in the game, right? You think about the changes that we've

had since even the start of this show, the way that even the Toronto Maple Leafs were, you know, they were fighters, they were, you know, Frazier McLaren and Colton Orr. It was kind of the last stand. It was. It was truculence. Truculence, exactly. Pugnacity. Pugnacity. Pugnacious.

I think a game that we look back on as fun with fondness It was at the end of the 2013 season Towards the end And the Leafs just mugged the Habs The Leafs were winning like 6-1 Something crazy like that

Orr punches a guy who didn't even have his gloves off And McLaren's going nuts Because with those guys on the ice That's what they did That's what they did And we look back on it with fondness It wasn't hockey though No, it was a street fight

That's 100% what it was And what do you get for a street fight? 5 minutes Five minutes. That's all. Time out. Time out. Yeah, go sit on the stairs.

You miss a shift. Well, for them, not even. Yeah. They were playing like three minutes a game. They just sat on a different bench. I mean, really, their five-minute majors were most games. That's not even cruel. No, they would tell you that.

No one broke a player while Steve Downey was on the ice. Get out of my face. Well, here's the... Okay, so the major... The cultural issue is this, okay? You pissed me off with that. Yes, and you're right. I think you're absolutely right with that.

Now, does it mean more coming from him, in a sense? Well, that's what I wanted to get to. Because people are like, well, yeah, look who it's coming from. Well, who better for it to come from? From a guy who committed reprehensible acts, who is a... Was that type of player. Was that type of player. An enforcer.

Little white enforcer, yeah. Lived that sort of machismo lifestyle. it goes back to the Hakeem Hakeem Aliu thing you know that is he's talking about

that culture he's not just talking about throwing dirty hits and fights here we're talking about that culture that man culture of you know

let's you know the hazing thing that if that's still going on that needs to stop if well like what's wrong with you

what's wrong with the head coach making everyone oh yeah that he would allow for that is insane but the thing is like I said maybe it's been going on

for years and he doesn't want to be the first one Yeah, no, because tradition, right? Because tradition. Yeah, I know. That is the problem. That is the problem.

Not really focusing on the idea that it's a pretty messed up tradition. It's disgusting. Man, I don't know if I talked about this on the show. Bob Bond, Bobby Bond, you know, again, leaf grate legend and all that. I was reading his book this past summer and they realized that, you know, Tim Horton had been on the Leafs for a while, but he was never really properly initiated. so four or five Leafs held him down

and we're on the radio shaved his downstairs area and friggin put like tiger balm on it wow like it's messed up completely messed up

but that's you know that's just what it was that's just what it was I don't understand why you do that I just don't get it and you could easily replace that with and then we took him and a bunch of teammates and we shoved him in a bus bathroom.

Or we shoved him in a locker. Messed up. So it's that culture that he's talking about. He's not very eloquent, guys. I don't expect Steve Downey to be very eloquent, but what he's pointing at is a cultural flaw within the game, which is this obnoxiously old world view that you have to be a warrior in the sense,

and what a warrior means is you fight and you get up after a concussion and you deal with it. Guys, there was a head coach here in Toronto who had a – a player had to go to the NHLPA to say, please stop this guy because there's a player on the team with a concussion right now, and he's saying – he's making excuses not to play. An NHL coach recently. I didn't say that, Adam. I think you did. And I have it from – as far as Arizona goes, I don't know how the team is doing and how the organization is run now. I can tell you last year from an NHL source that someone connected with the team that it was run very, very poorly.

It's weird. Dave Tippett gets a lot of praise in the NHL community. He's the kind of guy, a Gerard Gallant type, I would say. One of the good old boys. Yeah, I think if he were to be fired, and it's different because the Coyotes are poor, but playing poorly. Sorry. And also probably an audio poor. So a little bit financially, I mean.

But I'm talking about they're not doing so well. I think there might be a bit of an uproar, especially with a young whippersnapper like John Chaykin involved. So maybe there's something there. You know, we never hear criticism of this guy. This is the first criticism I think I've ever really heard of Dave Tippett. So it was kind of interesting. Well, we criticized them all last year when they traded John Scott.

We knew what was going on. Nobody wanted to say it. We came out and said it. We didn't even have to guess. We knew what it was. Well, everyone knew. It was naked. It was so blatantly naked and obnoxious what happened to John Scott.

And I think there's a lot of issues to deal with here. But what we have to examine now is the way that we have discussed and created this culture around the game. Is violence for the sake of violence something that we want to hold on to going forward? Now, when we bring it back to the Lou Lamorello thing, let's not pretend that every GM and every head coach in the NHL wasn't doing the exact same thing in the early 90s. And we'll say that for the NFL as well. I mean, they were all doing it. It's just that this particular lawsuit names the New Jersey Devils and therefore Lou Lamorello, Jacques Lemaire, and that sort of thing. They were all doing it.

It's like steroids and baseball. Yeah. So we have to look at things. I'm a little confused, though. is this an ongoing case or a case ongoing ongoing okay still happening yeah it sounded to me like it ended yeah not how it's starting up again or something not done no no no it was filed in 2012 it has just started to move through okay sorry i didn't mean to cut you off no no it's all good literally it's not done okay so this is because that those papers are the difference between

mike peluso winning and losing the case that's what i was trying to explain earlier right so here's the thing guys this is a cultural thing and we've been we've been about this for a bit but I think it's important to examine

the fact that hockey what part of what part of that what part of hazing what part of fighting what part of you know

Donald Brashear slashing Marty McSorley in the head is what is that what part of the game is that well that's straight up assault

and that's he might have even been charged and that's I think what Steve Downey is trying to say is we have got to pull ourselves

away from this And we've said that I think there's been a lot of people that have said that We've got to pull ourselves away from that part of the culture Because violence for the sake of violence in hockey Is just violence If there is a violent head-on collision Between two players going for the puck

Fine, that's part of the game Because it was a play during the game When, what year does I think we've talked about this before I wonder what our answers used to be When is hockey When is fighting going to be done in hockey When's it going to be gone

Well, three years ago Or I should say, because I don't think it'll ever be gone. Human beings fight. But when is fighting in hockey going to be like fighting in baseball? Where when it happens, everyone goes, whoa! And it happens like once every 20, 30, 40 games. Three years ago, we had this discussion. Yeah.

And I, at the time, said, oh, it'll never be gone. It's part of the game. You said five years. I think I said five years. And I think you're right. And I've totally changed my opinion since then. Because just the bare facts of—I could not stand behind what it does to players. Because ultimately it is a game, and ultimately they have to go home and deal with these injuries.

The 10-fight rule in the OHL was big. I mean, people would argue it's not big enough. It's a step in the right direction. Now isn't it three games? Sorry, what do you think the rule is? It's an auto-suspension after three fights. After three fights? Oh, I thought it was 10 fights.

Three games. I think it might be three games after ten fights. Okay, okay. It's not even that. I don't know. Ten fights. I don't know. Come on.

What are they seeing in 60 games? Well, the only job is working towards getting rid of fighters. 68. So maybe when all those players come into the league, we'll see fighting kind of disappear a little more? But, like, it's already happening. Yeah. I think it's just slower.

It's slower. I thought, I mean, the McDavid thing, I don't want to say funny, but, like, I don't think we're ever going to see him fight again because you know he did that he did the Gretzky thing you know what

damn it I'm finally going to stick up for myself and he gets into a fight braces his hand misses like it wasn't even on the guy's face or helmet

he missed punched the boards broke his hand and you can't argue that it was against some other goon because it was against Mississauga's captain

I just I wonder now and these blogs wonder and we're all wondering is this the moment are these when is the moment

where we all just kind of admit we were wrong when we all collectively admit because maybe we were all a part of it I certainly thought that that's the way it was because I was taught that and I think Steve Downey has a point there

if you're indoctrinated into a particular system this is how things are you gotta fight, you gotta haze, you gotta do these things you gotta assault people to stay in the lineup because that means you've got heart when is that moment where we go okay, we were wrong we were all wrong

we all had a part to play in that now it's time to move forward and look at this differently because at some point there's going to have to be a pivot moment and we're going to have to forgive the old sins a little bit I don't doubt that Mike Peluso deserves what he is asking for along with the other guys who are suing for

concussion I don't know suing for damages due to concussions I think they deserve what they're going to get but at a certain point you know in the context of that time a lot of that I mean hiding medical documents is one thing but a lot of we didn't know anything about concussions so it's understandable that people be pushed

back into the lineup because we didn't know as much now that we do it's not a muscle not a ligament get out there now exactly now that we do know this now it's time to go okay okay now it's time to to pivot and just say you know what we we we goofed because of ignorance now it's time to move forward and i i don't know that the nhl is ever going to do that but i feel like as a culture or as a group of people the way we raise our kids now is the time what percent of people who say they'll stop watching hockey if you take fighting out. What percent of those people

do you think are serious? Zero. Yeah. It's probably less than five. Who would ever stop watching? Really, you're going to stop watching? Well, then you've obviously

already stopped watching. What are you going to watch then? We've already stopped watching. Yeah. Exactly. If you're watching for the fighting, it's done. Like, who fights anymore?

Yeah, who really loved that Byron phrase against whoever on the avalanche he fought for? I wish the refs had let Dion and Iggy go at it last year. That was one fight

where I would have liked to see it. And again, I still got the caveman part of me that would have liked to see that. But, I mean, the Byron Fraze thing, I mean, that was an interesting thing and an under-talked-about thing. I mean, it is kind of my responsibility to talk about the Leafs. I don't know why I didn't bring it up. But, actually, it might be interesting if you brought that up, or maybe we can link to it, too. Byron Fraze against whoever he was fighting. So, you see him kind of go, he swore a few times.

He just goes F And he wasn't swearing at the guy I don't even think he was looking at the guy He didn't want to get into the fight At all And there were no punches thrown And all he did was grab the guy And they both went down to the ice

That was Fraze's first NHL game of the season And his team was up 5-0 He doesn't want to get involved He doesn't want to get into a fight He wants the ice time Babcock's about to play his brains out Oh yeah and there's three guys on him Yeah so here it comes

Zdorov's involved. I think it was. Aguila's in there. Soderbergh's in there. Yeah, I know this isn't the greatest radio or whatever, but you'll see his face. There he is. Hey, look, there's nothing.

It's calmed down. There's no need. Nothing's happening right now. Oh, I think it's Golubev. And Matt Martin's in there. Yeah. Now, wait, though. It's going to close in on Fraze's face.

He doesn't want to go. Look at him. He's going because he's got to. Yeah, you see him go F He's not doing that because he's afraid of us And he wasn't even really involved, that's him and Como going at it I think, you know, it's a shame And that again is, we're down 5-0, we gotta go

And that needs to go too If you're down 5-0, play harder Yeah, I don't know Why don't you just play harder? No, we want to send a message that they can't walk into our building and do that Well, they just did They just did So maybe if you want to send a message, score some goals

That's, I guess, my point And when the Leafs had the two tough guys and they were winning all the time because of Reimer and also a ridiculously high shooting percentage, go back, look it up, it was fighting was the answer. But then how come it stopped being the answer the next season? That was weird. That was weird. Are you trying to tell me it had nothing to do with anything? Oh. Because it didn't.

So weird. I thought we got rid of the problem in Joe Colburn. Turns out. Yeah. And then we had to trade for Peter Holland. Yeah. Anyway. I don't know.

So, the thing is, I think it's something to consider. It's not a fully fleshed out issue. It's by no means a coherent, this was by no means a fully coherent conversation in terms of, there are so many issues to cover. But the fact of the matter is this. We have a culture that we've inherited from our parents that you know exactly what I'm talking about here. And they inherited from their pap before him, sir. Exactly. Yes.

It's a long thing. And it is time to change. It is time to change. You know when the NHL will change? When the fans do. Adam, I think you're soft. You know what? I am soft.

I got these pink radio hands. I just press buttons for a living. I don't do anything else. But no, seriously. Someone comes up to you and they go, Adam, you're soft for thinking that way. How do you respond? Believe me, I combat this every day.

I never hashtag play the game. I probably just don't say anything bad because what's the point? I don't need to argue with some bonehead. You're in an argument. If I'm in an argument, With someone who says that, I go, okay. That's it?

What other thing do they have to say? See, it's funny. I've gone back and forth with this because I am happy just being right. So you're right. Yeah. And you just go, okay. Why fight them? Unfortunately, it doesn't end there.

Because let's pretend you're having an actual debate on television or something, and you're trying to figure this out and prove your side right. Okay, I've got one. You can't just prove it with, okay. Fair. So what I would say to them is, what would your response be to the overwhelming evidence of concussions related to fights in hockey

and the effect that not only it has on the players at the time, but later on in life when they can't keep relationships, when they're depressed all the time because their head's been bashed in enough, when you know there are so many stories and so much of a a link has been drawn

between the two how are you as a fan or as somebody who's a part of a team whoever I'm debating how are you okay with that how are you okay with that

I think we gotta have Merrick on again I'd love to have him talk about it I feel like Merrick talked about this last time he was on because he loves the hockey fights

obviously right but he's got a kid I think he's got more than one kid who are coming up in hockey I think one might not be old enough yet

and you know he loves it all loves it all and then he sees his kid on the ice oh be careful it's a parenting thing

and now it's funny you see Colin Campbell right but he had a kid in the NHL and he wants that kid to be safe

and a lot of executives have kids or nephews or whatever in the NHL and they want them to be safe so

is it a matter of time I think it's a matter of time I think it gets it gets fixed does it regress is there any point do you think goons

make a comeback at some point. Well, I thought racism was regressing, and look at us now. Well, that's kind of why I ask, because, like, I mean, you assume it's linear, right? You assume. But it's not true.

No, you've got to keep fighting until it's gone. And not fighting, but you have to keep, you know, pushing the point home until it's fully out of the game. Is it up this year? Fights?

It feels like it might be. I don't know. Fights? I don't know. I do know we have to take a break. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. So, when we come back on Sportsnet 590 The Fan,

we're going to go through all of yesterday's games through, ooh, geez, there was Canada and some team from Eastern Europe. I don't know. Maybe you've heard of Russia? Western Asia. Western Asia.

We've also got, you know, Sweden and Denmark and USA-Latvia to talk about. And, of course, Austin Matthews back in his hometown because we haven't talked about that yet. When we come back. All right, so Canada versus Russia yesterday. What we know is Russia's okay. Canada's good.

Canada played better. nice to see Dylan Strome finding his game happy happy at the Air Canada Center the way he wanted to it seemed like with the Arizona system

that he was playing they weren't impressed with his skating yeah I hadn't heard that so you obviously read that yeah when I was on the I was on Dentalk

the Coyotes that was yeah that was one of the things that they talked about was his skating wasn't quite there wasn't quite ready and he wasn't playing well didn't look confident

so and also let's be honest the Coyotes the Coyotes are terrible so why not sit back there's no point yeah

it's interesting because like some rookies made the lineup was Kraus from his draft I'm trying to remember I don't know if Lawson Kraus was from that

I think he was yeah Chikrin is in the lineup and I think he was just drafted because it was it was like the Leafs like do we do we get Lawson Kraus

or do we get Mitch Marner oh well Kraus is 2015 yeah wow so yeah Kraus or Marner

or Strom every year has a guy Don Cherry really likes Lawson Kraus was that year Nick Ritchie

Lawson Kraus who's it going to be this year Nick Ritchie was not bad oh totally but like the idea of taking him

before Nylander I mean get out of my face so yeah Dylan Strome seems to have found his game it was really cool

to see the shots of his mom getting all jacked up when he scored and that sort of thing Canada's goaltending though the world's

best name Carter Hart talk about that's an I need an East Coaster to pronounce it. Carter Hart. Carter Hart. And I need a Bostonian.

Cat-a-hat. Yeah, he seemed a bit shaky. Seemed a bit shaky. But what about the cat in the hat? No, Cat-a... Sorry. Cat-a-hat. Yes, he did.

He seemed like a Team Canada goalie. Now, is that him being bad all of a sudden? Or is that there weren't that many shots that got on goal? and the shots that did get on goal were Russian. Russians do have this thing with shots. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, Canada did play better around them. But, I don't know.

I know the third goal was a little... And also, it's the first game. It is the first game. And he is like 18. Like, let's... There's a weird thing about the World Juniors. It's not just the standard of gold. It's the standard of murdering everybody.

The standard they're held... I remember... Oh, God. I want to say 2009 Canada's first game was against Kazakhstan and Canada won 16-0 that used to be

what the Boxing Day game was the Boxing Day game never used to be you know they make sure it's against why would anybody watch that? to watch Canada murder someone okay

and to watch some 5'4 guy from Kazakhstan take out 6'7 Tyler Myers that was a pretty cool highlight and then Canada scored 16 goals on them or something crazy like that um now i think they got it figured out with you have a at least a decent game on boxing day i mean it's russia right um and then you go back to the canada u.s rivalry on new year's eve uh

but it yeah it's the standard of not just gold murdering canada did not murder russia right five three i mean oh you could look at the shots whatever most people aren't looking at that they're looking at the final score and the final score was a win by less than five goals That has people concerned Against Russia? Yes Oh This is not my

Personal standard This is Everyone's And keep in mind Like the world juniors Again We talk about this podcast The people listening

You're in the top 1% Yeah Of hockey fans The world juniors Attracts more people than that And They're used to watching Canada Kill

Whoever it is They play on Boxing Day well if it's Russia have a brain I mean they're supposed to be a pretty good team yeah fair enough but you're right

but who looked great everyone could tell you who looked great right they liked how Dylan Strom looked Barzal

Barzal I guess he's okay at hockey he's great now who made any really bad plays like Hart's probably the only one

you can name so let's so let's focus on that let's hyper focus on that exactly he's Mason Raymond on the 2011 Canucks.

We got nothing to complain about. Mason Raymond, who scored at the Spengler Cup last night, by the way. There you go. We got nothing to complain about, so let's complain about this. Right. Right. Now, it is based on history, though. Canada's had some pretty bad goaltending in the past.

But, I mean, give the guy a chance. So we'll give him a chance. Next game tonight, Latvia. And it won't be him, by the way. It'll be Ingram. Oh. In net for Canada, so. And now this is the hard thing for him,

Because Canada's got to make a decision so quick. Hart has a shaky game. Watch Ingram have a great game. Now who do you start in the third game? Well, it doesn't tell you anything, though. It hasn't told you anything. With no offense to Latvia, they get smoked by the United States. This is why I love talking about this sport,

because if you talk to certain people, they'll make it sound like it's rocket science, and if you haven't played the game, you couldn't possibly understand it. I think it's all just guesswork, and you're going on hunches, just like you, me, and the other idiots. Yeah. I think so. That's all it is. Do we start the goalie in this game or that game?

Well, here's all the pros, here's all the cons. And at the end of the day, you're right if you win and you're wrong if you lose. I'm not sure if you watched the USA-Latvia game, which, by the way, ended up 6-1. But I found it funny. The U.S. were able to score, but it is versus Latvia.

And I think it's funny that this physical prowess that they kept talking about with the United States. They're going to be a strong physical team, so it sounds exactly like their World Cup team. They weren't allowed to show it because they were always on the offensive. So you couldn't really... They weren't throwing hits

because they had the puck the whole time. Which is great. That's the position you want to be in. Yeah. So I just found that. I was like, okay, well, then what... Why? Why are you going...

I guess you use it when you have to. And that's how good Canada is, by the way. is other teams are designing themselves to beat Canada. Never mind what the best team available to them is. What's the best team for beating Canada? That's what the U.S. tried at the World Cup. And it worked out really well. You just, you know, you ice the best team.

Your best team will be able to beat... I have a question. In the last seven World Juniors, we have one gold medal. One gold and one medal in the last four. Pretty embarrassing. So what's up with that? The standard was five straight before that.

why have we struggled seven years in a row when the that's a really good question it's a short tournament man it's a I don't know everyone thinks

there's this big answer in Canada or hockey in Canada is dying like it is no that's not true at all look at the Olympics look at the World Cup

yeah why can't why can't the men's team put it together the juniors can't because they're kids sometimes you can't because half of the kids are playing with the men

Connor McDavid's still eligible for this team as is Mitch Marner Mitch Marner still eligible for this team and if you want to split hairs. Finland, I mean,

Laine, Puglia, Jarvi, and Aho. That's ridiculous. Nylander for Sweden. Where's Wierenski from? I'm not entirely sure. 20? Maybe. I don't think so, though.

Wierenski? Wierenski, I think, is American. American. What about Gostisby here? French. I think. I'm not 100% sure. I think he's French.

That's the thing. I don't think Canadian hockey is on any sort of down slope. I don't think you can look at that one tournament and go, that's the state of minor hockey in Canada. I don't think for any team, for any team. I think it's a reflection of, I mean, because the U.S. went out of their way to not select their brightest goal-scoring talent.

Brindicat. So why would that be a reflection on their junior program, right? I think Canada was a factory for a long time of really good goalies. And then that stopped and that became the focus. ignoring the fact that now you're producing McDavid and Marner and Strom and Barzal and all these amazing high-flying forwards. Which was a problem before because they couldn't score.

They had all these grinded centermen and grinded wingers and put their working boots on and go to work. The last thing, look, the only crisis that Canada is facing when it comes to hockey is affordability. That's it. It has nothing to do with talent. or wanting it. There are rules in place in the OHL

for Canadian goalies, correct? Because we're trying to develop them. Isn't there only one international goalie on your team at a time? Something like that, yeah. Which is good. It should be. Yeah.

It's an Ontario Hockey League. Yeah, absolutely. It should be like that. There's an interesting back and forth and some people look at it as... I don't know. I'm not sure. There are minor leagues everywhere.

This happens to be ours. There should be protection for players coming in. There should be spots held for Canadians if it's a Canadian supported league. And then there are other leagues there was someone who wanted to come on the podcast and talk about this. I don't know, maybe we'll still let them. The pay for play?

Yeah, we won't get into that now. There is a junior league out there. This is gross. A junior league out there where, yeah, you gotta pay to get on the team. This one goalie from a European country paid, their family paid 10 grand to get on this team.

They get there. And there's three other goalies who all paid $10,000 each. The team is carrying four goalies who all paid $10,000. $40,000. Yeah, look it up. It's pretty gross. So, I mean, you can look at the OHL or whatever and go, oh, they're doing this wrong or that wrong.

Well, the alternatives are far worse. When we talk about Sweden and Denmark, I think there's a couple things we've got to bring up here. I'll leave second-round pick, Mr. Grundstrom. Karl Grundstrom. Not only had a pretty good setup, But that shorthanded breakaway was pretty cool. Now, I know it's versus Denmark.

And just ice in his veins in the celly, too. Yeah, I know that Denmark, it is Denmark. But Denmark's better. And thank goodness that he's a winger, because the Leafs don't have any of them. No, they don't. But the other guy, I think, is Rasmus Dahlin. A fully caged 16-year-old. He is.

Full cage. And killed it. And is one of those guys on defense you're going to look at in, like, 2018. That might be one of the big names that we're talking about. He looked outstanding Yeah I like that About the world juniors I like watching players

I've never heard of Yes Yes Because how could he possibly The one like Guys like Strom Have it really tough Because he

It's not good enough For him to just play well No He has to dominate McDavid was playing well And putting up a couple points But he wasn't dominating Right away

Even coming off Hand surgery And people were like Oh Jack Eichel This might be his chance To take over the law Oh yeah

Oh yeah I bet the Oilers I sure regret picking McDavid. And I bet Buffalo is sure happy they ended up with the second pick. You know what the most important part of the Sweden-Denmark game is? What's that? When you look at the scoreboard, it's S-W-E versus D-E-N. Sweden.

Sweden. But what are the remaining letters? D-E-N. Mark. Get the hell out! Whoa! The most important part of the game, clearly. Definitely.

Sweden and then the remaining letters. Wow, I think we're going to end on that. We've got to talk about Austin Matthews returning to... Shut up, Reddit. I didn't think it was legal until April. That's crazy. We're talking about...

On the Off-Air portion, we're going to talk about Austin Matthews' return to Arizona, plus a couple other things, like Jesse meeting a listener in a sushi restaurant. And I have a question about a puck. I have a question about a puck

when we go to the Off-Air portion at sportsnet.ca, or you can download us on iTunes or any other place you find a podcast. It's brought to you by Panago Pizza. What is on the inside is what counts. That was very good, Adam. Thank you.

I got to pee. Jesse and I were just talking about, like, you ever learn something and then just kind of go about your day, and then you remember that thing you just learned, and it hits you harder? Yeah, Carrie Fisher died. I know. Like, we found that out. And then we just kind of bibbidi-bobbidi did our talking in Italian, and then, oh, Carrie Fisher's dead. That happened.

Oh, that makes me sad. Enough with this year. Like I didn't want to get on the train of You know all the celebrities are dying Or all of our favorite celebrities are dying in 2016 But really Like I know it's over said and I really hated saying it It's insane

Now the most edited Wikipedia article This year In the entire world Is deaths in 2016 Now let me ask this though Is part of it That there are Far more famous people

now than there ever have been ever. Yes, partially. It's got to be part of it. We've entered the era when the people who first started becoming movie stars are hitting the age where they're passing away. Yeah, but think about how old Prince was, how old Carrie Fisher was,

how old George Michael was. They lived hard lives, man. Yeah, they lived a certain lifestyle. I don't know enough about George Michael. That was going to be my next point. Yeah. George Michael definitely lived a hard life. Oh, baby.

Yeah. Heart failure? You know your music. heart failure at 53 yeah I mean we know what that was and I don't think

anybody who's a George Michael fan or followed George Michael's career had any doubts about his drug use I mean he was

arrested for it Gary Fisher too absolutely I think I think the problem here is that yeah it's the hard life and it goes back

to what we were saying and I know I hate to pull it back into hockey but it goes back to what we were saying about the concussion things

these things you know life in the 80s man things everything that happened in the 80s very extreme

very very extreme decade Culturally It was do everything to excess Look at the people who died Prince, David Bowie The people who were The biggest in the 80s

The biggest in the 80s Now David Bowie's case Cancer But also But also he lived pretty hard And he talked about it Yeah I mean he

David Bowie's the first one To tell you Cocaine He's like I looked at a brain scan Of myself he said And he talked about Yeah it was just holes

In his brain From the cocaine he had done You know I love myself some weekend I love the weekend But maybe shut the fuck up about cocaine, sir. He's clean now.

He's talked about that. His songs aren't. No, his songs are not. But he talked about that in an interview with Zane Lowe. That Starboy, I was listening to it and I was just jamming out to it.

This is how I jam out with my head because I'm a 75-year-old white man. And I was just listening to the words. I'm like, wait a second. This isn't even double entendre. His new one,

I Feel It Coming with Daft Punk, I was playing... I haven't heard that yet. Oh, it's really good. I was playing, for whatever reason, it came on Galaxy Music or something that we had on at Christmas.

And I said, isn't this song great? And Caprice was like, yeah, is this like a Michael Jackson song that I haven't heard? And I'm like, no. I said, it's brand new, believe it or not. It's The Weeknd and Daft Punk. She's like, get out.

Really? I'm like, yeah. And her mom was even like, wow, that's a great song. I hope for his sake that he stays clean because this is what happens. You do, I mean, look at a guy like Ken Caminetti. huge baseball player

for the San Diego San Diego Padres and definitely height of the stair right use there's not a common name by the way

Ken Kamenetti there's not guys yes when you said that I was like mmhmm guys he he had 40 home runs

like 3 seasons in a row I don't know man big big big baseball yeah big baseball name that guy died at 41

that was me in every math class by the way Jesse yeah he died at 41 you know that sort of thing and he died of a heart attack Like that's what happens

When you live hard man I don't want to be morbid And it's never good To predict these things But There's going to be a day Probably not too long From now

Where a bunch of Baseball players Just drop And we go Oh How come You know all those Home runs

That you cheered In like the late 90s Or whatever Yeah And they were all Juiced to the Absolute gills Yeah

Believe it or not That had an effect on them Yeah so the Dangers It's giant now And they might not Yeah I think

the saddest deaths are the ones by people who are legitimately great it's not about a celebrity dying it's about somebody that affected you with whatever it was they created Carrie Fisher and when Carrie Fisher who probably her storyline would definitely have gone

like the next movie's been filmed for Star Wars so she's in it it's already done but who knows where her storyline was supposed to go it could have gone to the 9th movie in the series So, what do they do now? Now, in Rogue One, they actually have some really great facial technology that they've used

to extend some characters that have passed away since the original movies were made. And it's actually really well done. You can tell it's computer animated, but it's well done. Yeah, it's so cool, the technology now. They can just recreate anybody. So, they could recreate her and just continue her character. That's a so-so episode. Yeah.

A hologram of the guy from the Death Star. Wow. That's exactly what they did. That's like, to the T, that's what they did. The guy from the Death Star. We're in the Matrix again. Yeah. But I think it's

What's sad is that When these people die And they've got more to give Carrie Fisher had more to give Prince had more to give Bowie had more to give You know Bowie left Thank God left us

With a new album But you know That George Michael 53 Yeah 53 Mick Jagger's in his

Freaking late 70s I mean we had 30, 40 years Of George Michael to go And this is the funny thing Well not really funny But people will point at Mick Jagger

And especially Keith Richards Yeah Look at him He's still around Yeah but what about All the ones that aren't what about Keith Moon what about John Entwistle

what about John Paul Jones man I didn't wear a helmet when I rode a bike and look at me I'm fine yeah but so many kids got messed up dude

that's the point you can't just say my experience is that I didn't finish we used to drink and drive all the time back in my day I dropped out

yes but thousands of people died I dropped out of college and university would not recommend that for anybody else it worked out for me so far

I like that you ever see that Bo Burnham clip what's that where they're like what do you say have I ever seen that Bo Burnham clip

maybe narrow it down for us I think he's on Conan O'Brien and they go do you have any advice for anyone who wants to be the next Bo Burnham

and he's like yeah don't do it I got lucky what are you stupid which I think is a very nihilistic way to look at it well that's why

we like Bo Burnham he's a nihilist yeah so it's sad to hear that she's gone at I took Caprice to Star Wars last night

and she did not get a lot of it because it's brand new and also there was a point in the movie where she did fall asleep because we had been cleaning up the house

the whole day. I have never taken her to a movie where she hasn't fallen asleep in the damn theater. It's a waste. Movies are great sleeping places.

Just take a little nap. And it was on the IMAX 3Ds. I've been doing this until recently because I'm married now. She fell asleep during Guardians

of the Freaking Galaxy too. It's so warm in there and the chairs are comfy and it's all dark. You just kind of close your eyes. It's beautiful. I got a great nap

during the King's Speech. I liked that movie. stupid I thought it was pretty good yeah I think you're stupid you know how you're stupid

that movie they decided it was gonna get Oscars before it reached theaters oh it's like La La Land the movie yeah oh Golden Globe nominated

I'm like this is the first time I am hearing this because it didn't come out until Christmas Day yeah I don't understand the movie industry either

no you don't get to tell me this movie was good no one's seen it yet because it doesn't I hate that but don't you understand that it doesn't matter what you think of it

yeah it does a little bit No, the Golden Globes don't care what you think. No. The Golden Globes care what the Golden Globes think. Because I bet he won a Stemma Oscar. And then people are like, oh, the People's Choice Awards. What BS? At least the people had a choice.

Part of the choice. Yeah, and then you realize the people were stupid too. And then Justin Bieber wins everything. Yeah. Justin Bieber wins Best Actor. What was he in? His own music video. His cameo in Zoolander 2.

Actually, we saw one movie that looks amazing. We saw a preview for it yesterday. It was Dunkirk. Oh. you know the battle of Dunkirk have you yes so that's basically

basically Germany had hammered France in 1940 like absolutely walked through them and they had to get 250,000 people

off the beaches of France before the Germans closed in on them oh and they were like bringing like dinghies yeah whatever boat whatever possible

if you had a boat you drove across the channel to get however many people you could fit on it you got back we're talking about like fishing boats

The trailer for that is giving me goosebumps right now It's unbelievable It looks like a great movie So that one's one to check out for sure Honestly, I was blown away by the trailer for that La La Land, not so much I could care less about a musical But I'm sure it's great

Oh, it's a musical? Oh yeah, it's a singing, dancing, Ryan Gosling playing piano musical I have a cousin who I got to talk to over the Christmas break And she went to school in New York And is auditioning for Broadway plays she's going to be doing a play in Florida I don't remember

what it's called but like it sounds like a crazy life it sounds like what it is in the movies like I'm at one audition and then I had to run to the next one

see and the cab wasn't going fast enough so I'm like they're not a cab I gotta split they're not a newspaper writer from the 40s

oh she was definitely oh yeah from 19 tickety two they're very talented you know and that's the thing too is that you mentioned last episode

and I think it's a Joe Rogan reference which is people just are just it's just decided that these people will be famous La La Land will be

an award nominated movie we've just decided starring Jennifer Lawrence say no more is she a La La Land supporting actor no it's Emma Stone it's Emma Stone

oh see that's see Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone have already been in like 8 movies together and this is just the next one Emma Stone is very

good at riding publicity waves I like Emma Stone no no I like her too but everyone got mad at her like very briefly and then she kind of

went away oh yeah and then she did it right back why'd they get mad at her What'd she do? She was like, she got a role.

Are you Googling that, Jesse? Why are people mad at Emma Stone? Look up the Jennifer Lawrence. She got a role as someone who she very was not. Oh, right in the Hawaiian movie. She was supposed to be Native Hawaiian,

which she's not. Emma Stone. No, she was half Asian. That's what it was. Oh, Emma Stone. Emma Stone, yeah. What are you doing? Jennifer Lawrence

in American Hustle. Wasn't she on screen for like a total of like 20 minutes or 10 minutes. She was very good in it. But she got a Golden Globe for that.

You know what, dude? She got a Golden Globe for that and I'm like, her accent's not even good in the trailer. Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, you gotta crack a couple, shut up! They just decided she was going to win. Alec Baldwin got a Best Supporting Oscar for Glen Gary Glen Ross.

Oh, and he had one speech in the trailer. Yeah, over eight minutes. It was damn good. Yeah, but should you get an Oscar for this?

Why not? They decided at that time, oh, we're going to give it to the one guy who had an eight-minute speech. Why not? Oh, you've got to be in the whole movie, says Grandpa Dangle. I bloody well stammer.

Oscar. I bloody well stammer. I bloody well stammer. You know what movie never should have won anything? There hasn't been a hockey game for three days, everybody. Curious case of Benjamin Button. That was one they decided was going to be a great movie. I refuse to watch that movie.

It got destroyed at the box office. Nobody saw it. and then and same with The Revenant people just decided yep that's the movie that's going to win stuff I don't know

outside of this room I don't think I know anyone who's seen it what Benjamin Button The Revenant I saw it I've never seen it I'm not going to

no don't don't I tried it on Netflix and I got 10 minutes no not even not like 5 minutes in I couldn't stand it I can't

it is so and you know what Jesse 10 minutes in that's a rarity for me 10 minutes in that's the most action you get and then it's like an hour of just

Leonardo The whole movie is Leonardo DiCaprio Climbing around in the cold And getting fucked up Is it the male Is it the male Million dollar baby Yes

It's like Do we watch Leonardo DiCaprio Die for an hour and a half There's a movie I won't watch Cause I It's Awful It sounds awful

It is awful Like it's Leonardo DiCaprio This is the whole The camera the whole time Is right here Like to the Like as close as you possibly can And he's going

Cause he's freezing And it's cold And he just got attacked by an effing bear and that's the whole thing and then but what does he sound like Adam? and then they're like

going they're like I'm sorry to wreck the movie but anyway he fights a bear they kill his son and he's like so that's the difference

and then he gets on a horse and gets attacked by people and you see the horse and then he jumps off a cliff on the horse and like it's just like he finally gets a horse

and then he jumps off a cliff and kills a horse and it's like oh my god and the movie goes on you think the movie's over it goes on for another 45 effing

minutes from there it's crazy yeah and when he when he jumps off the cliff with the horse it pauses midway oh them DiCaprio boys is in trouble

again I saw I saw the big short over the weekend great movie amazing movie and you get so much appreciation for

Steve Carell and how great of an actor he is he is actually it reminded me of Foxcatcher when he plays um the I heard that was a

crazy movie that movie is also so good Dark everybody watched How would the internet Do we still allow movies To slip through the cracks

How would the internet Like how Why does the Revenant Get the Oscar When the internet exists We all Because we don't get a vote But we can all tell each other

The movie sucks We don't get a vote I didn't hear enough of that But we don't get I just heard it's time for Leo To get an Oscar Well part of it is You gotta understand

It's political right So the company That is behind The movie that puts That movie out They are spending Millions and millions And millions in advertising

They are pushing the press They're like jamming the press in there So it gets all the coverage in the world And then what are the press going to do Well this movie is I can't believe how hard it was to do all this You went up to northern Alberta and it was cold wasn't it Yeah sure it was cold

And then one day it wasn't cold and that's another documentary Which by the way is called a Chinook Is that what happened because I've seen that documentary It was a Chinook And the people who vote on awards are the members Of the academies who work for the studios. It's like in music when you're a member of the recording academy

you work for like Sony Music and then you're going to vote for these albums that come from your label You know what the most compelling argument for The Revenant I've ever heard was? I said, I was saying I was talking to this person who loves movies, I said listen, this movie is terrible it's long, it's arduous, it's boring

my butt fell asleep, why? Why? And they're like, well the movie was that long and arduous because the movie was trying to impart just how hard it was for leonardo dicaprio's character to get through the story so it was arduous for you because it was arduous for him and i thought no that's not why i go to see a movie i don't go to see a movie so i can have an arduous long experience i go to see a movie so i can be entertained so that means it was a bad movie and you're trying to explain that away yeah a lot of

you listening are media students of some type yeah please learn when it is time to shut your brain off during a movie yeah because all the people handing out these awards are looking at dude best original screenplay are we sure best sound direction are we sure folks what are you doing just enjoy it what is what was a movie you can look back on and go This movie has amazing sound Star Wars Star Wars has amazing sound Really?

And I believe they were nominated For an Oscar for that Last year Good Well they do They do I don't know I mean you know what else

Has amazing sound I appreciate the movies For how much you're entertaining Try The Leftovers No I never heard of it It's on HBO They have an incredible sound Transformers

Amazing sound Yeah Transformers is amazing Sound Any movie where nothing Is actually there Has great sound Yes

Because they're going to make all that up The Transformers, I'm going to spoiler alert They're not real They're a little bit CGI, Adam Bumblebee's real, man No, there's a man in a studio And he does the voice Where is the cube?

I've seen it The Allspock Before time began Hey, should we talk about a little hockey? Maybe Austin Matthews taking the face off That was cool In his game

I thought that was cool Of Babcock to do that I thought it was cool Against Shane Doan And I thought it was cool That Shane Doan won the faceoff Why's that? Well I just think

It I think it's cool I didn't think that deeply I thought it was cool That Shane Doan won Because it's like Well the old versus the new But you know

There's a reason The guys The old guys Are the old guys They know what they're doing Still got a thing or two To learn kid And I

I'm all for that As long as it doesn't Have to do with Needless violence So You know And hey If you're

If you're Austin Matthews And you're going up Against the guy that you watched every single day for 15 years of your life losing a face off to him can't seem that bad

I thought it was funny that leading up to the game Shane Doan was Matthew's idol when everything that I had heard prior to that game was Danny Breer was also Matthew's idol yeah

I thought it was Danny Breer I just thought Shane Doan was a player yeah but no he's taking on his childhood idol it's just a better story I mean I assume he's a fan

if you grew up a fan of the Coyotes you must have been a fan of Shane Doan no he's a Craig Janney fan okay Keith Kachuk but Roenick was on them

for a while Oleg Tevredovsky oh yeah I thought okay so Austin Matthews that was great I love his assistant with Zach Hyman

I thought it was great now I'm trying to remember this was a few days ago first goal that was the one where he kept the puck in at the blue line oh that was insane

yeah it was a little bit of luck but insane yeah he walked it along the blue line like a defenseman yeah like a seasoned defenseman

he's like let's take this baseline for a walk no it wasn't Hyman it was Connor Brown that's why I got confused The first goal That was Connor Brown Downtown

Connor Brown Downtown Connor Brown The other right hander Downtown Connor Brown To Myman Zach Hyman Paul Romanek loves calling him To Downtown Connor Brown We need to tell Paul Romanek

That it has to be Myman Zach Hyman Myman Zach Hyman That would be awesome If he does I thought it was great That Uncle Leo gets two goals On Festivus

I thought that was nice Yes Very nice Feats of strength Now And you know And whatever Shane Doan scores 400 goals

And plays 1500 games Can we just talk about the fact that every milestone has to be against the Leafs? Every single one. Every stinking one. I can't believe Yager's was... Last week it was like, oh, he almost got his 400th goal against the Leafs.

I was like, yes, he didn't. And then, of course, they come into town and he scores it. You mentioned Uncle Leo. I want to mention Steve asking Leo about Uncle Leo. Well, Casual Matt asked Uncle Leo about Uncle Leo. Those are great video. So what was it? Was it?

Yeah, I loved that. It's like 45 seconds. I loved it. I just saw it the other day. I loved it because Leo is... that's charm. If you want to understand what charm is, watch that video.

So what does he say? Nothing like pretty much nothing, but Leo knows how to say nothing and have it be funny and charming instead of, Oh, that guy's kind of a dick. Like he just, he just, he won't give you anything,

but he's still worth getting on camera because I don't know. There's something about him that's funny and endearing and you don't know what it is. and there are other guys i've talked to in the past where i'm like oh like you you probably hear it oh there's nothing there there's nothing there there's nothing there with leo but there's something yeah because you ask them hey do you know where uncle leo comes from he's like no no i've never seen uh no i don't know that i go you've never seen it no but it's uh yes pretty funny. I go,

you should Google it, man. I will. It's compelling. It's compelling in 40 seconds. Guys, I want to talk about something, though, most important. The milestones? Because Austin Matthews totally hijacked my milestones

conversation. You brought up Uncle Leo something, baby. Can we talk about the milestones thing quickly? I would love to know what team the most milestones were set against. That would be very hard to track. Very hard to track. However, I believe it's Leafs. Also, Just because, holy crap, every single milestone is passed against the Leafs. When it comes to Austin Matthews and William Nylander,

who snapped a 13-game goal with a stroke. What a despicable goal. It was great. Really good. So I'm looking at the top two rookie scorers in the league. They are Patrick Laine and Austin Matthews. Oh, okay. But I'm seeing a trend here, guys, that I don't like.

What's that? I don't like from either of them. Oh, my goodness. You know what they are? What is that? Selfish. Selfish hockey players I noticed this too, Adam Weil

What is it that you think I'm talking about, Steve Dang? I think, oh Any old plug can fire the puck into the net But it takes a man To get an assist That's right Patrick Laine, 19 goals Austin Matthews, 16 goals

Patrick Laine has played three more games, by the way He's also three goals better Three goals better What are you laughing for? Patrick Laine, 11 assists Austin Matthews, 10 Embarrassing Embarrassing

Yeah and what do you got in there You got some Finnish kid Macaulay Culkin looking kid He's lying down on the floor To do interviews Classless Of course he's never Going to give up the puck

You got Matthews This American kid You hear what he said Recently this week He's never played A game outdoors What kind of a guy is that That's not the kind of guy

You win a cup with But you know That's what's wrong With hockey culture You want to talk about Hockey culture Next two on the list Mitchell Marner

Eight goals Eighteen assists That's the kind of guy You want on your team Mitch Marnman what's his numbers what's his numbers 8, 18, 26

he's got 8 goals 20 to 18 assists yep and where's he from he's from Toronto oh damn

out of Canada that's where he's from and then William Nylander 7 goals 15 assists 22 points yeah but he was born in Calgary

so I was like oh shit John's talking to a quarter weight there's an out he was born in Calgary No, I think that's interesting, though. Isn't it funny that these two guys...

I mean, it's not really a surprise with Patrick Laine, but with Auston Matthews, they build him as a guy who was setting up players. Not that he's not, but he also happens to be scoring at a pretty high clip right now. That was a funny thing with Auston Matthews. It's interesting that you say that, because I don't remember him really being billed as anything specifically. Offensively. Because the guy he reminded me of the most, and I said it,

and a lot of people said it, was Kopitar. but no one ever No, Johnny Tavesman Oh, Johnny Tavesman because you're not allowed to talk about Kopitar when Taves still exists but Kopitar is

much more of a playmaker Kopitar, sorry Kopitar isn't a Canadian No, he's a Slovakian a Nenian He's a He's a He's a Nenian

He's a Slovakian Slovak, Czechoslovakian Sorry, go ahead No, and if you look at his offensive numbers he's much more of a playmaker but all he was ever advertised as

was good two-way. That's what I expected Matthews to be. Then he actually starts putting up NHL numbers and I'm like, oh, I didn't know he was billed this way. Lion-A's not a shock. Matthews, I think, is a little bit more surprising. People were kind of questioning Crosby for having too many goals this year as well.

They're like, where are your assist numbers, Crosby? Oh my god, stop! I said that in my video last week. Stop! No, no, no, no. What I was saying though is everyone is marveling. No one gives a damn about assists. It's the funniest thing because it leads to a goal. There are times where the assist is a tap-in.

Or, sorry, the goal is a tap-in. So Crosby's getting all these goals, and everyone's going, ooh, ah. And then the goals are going to go away, and people are going to stop talking about him. But his points will not go away. The reason he has no assists is because he's doing all the scoring. Yeah. He is on pace for, like, his lowest assist total of his career. It's like when Luke Shen led the NHL in hits.

Why? Because he never had the puck. Yeah. He's on pace for his lowest assist total ever. But probably his most goals ever. and this is a former 50 goal scorer and then if the goals start going away which I suspect they will, guess what? Guess what's going to come back? His assists.

Sidney Crosby's a monster. Fun trivia question to ask your friends. And I'm just going to make sure I get this right. How many Toronto Maple Leaf rookies are in the top 20 in NHL rookie scoring right now? Seven. Six. Six.

Damn it. Matthews, Marner, Nylander all at 2-3-4 and then you've got Wow Zaitsev at 14 Brown at 16 Hyman at 18

Wow Pretty amazing No Sash No Sash Although those guys had a bit of a head start on Sash They did

But pretty cool Sash is such an interesting player He's fascinating to me Because it's very obvious that Babcock loves him Plays in all situations How many points

does he have? Like 4? 5? I think so, yeah When does that need to go up? At what point do we get a little bit concerned about that? Because I never watch him play and go, Sash is bad.

No, I think it has to do with the role he is playing. I mean, I want to see... He plays with Kadri. I know. But, yo, Komarov just got four and five in his goals. That's true, too. So, like, it's not like that line's been putting up massive points. I think in this particular case,

you've got to give him a break because of the role. And I also think... He's either been shut down top line or fourth line. If JVR gets traded, I would see Sash go into that role, and I think his points would go up. Now, I'm not saying he's as good as JVR by any stretch or close to it, but I think they would put him in that role. That's what I think.

He's another one of those guys where I couldn't watch him and tell you— Well, no, sorry. I was about to compare him to what I was saying about Ben Smith. That's not true. By the way, he just had hand surgery. Ben Smith? Yep. So, Freddie the Goat might be—

Who was just sent down before Christmas, along with Bebo. Oh, they are back. Yeah, Bebo, Fraze, and Gauthier all got called up today. Oh, today. But Bozak is probable for at least one of the Florida games. Great. Who is the NHL rookie goalie leader in wins? Is it Murray?

Yeah. Oh. Matt Murray's a rookie, guys. Come on. He's like Cam Ward. Yeah. A little bit like Subban, too. He had that huge breakout playoff.

And then the next year he comes in, he's a rookie, and you're like, what? We're all talking about the rookie race for Calder, like Wierenski, Marner's maybe in there, Austin Matthews, Patrick Laine seems to be the clear-cut favorite. What about Matt Murray coming in and just taking the Calder out from under all those guys? Should Matt Murray win the Calder?

Is he still eligible? Yeah, 100%. He is a starting goalie on an NHL team. How do you not give it to him? Who's the last? Not only on an NHL team, but a team that will probably go all the way. You see, the problem with being a goalie winning the Vesna is you need to be particularly spectacular. You need to be...

Sorry? This is a Calder. You said Vesna. Oh, my bad. Oh, yeah, sorry. You've got to basically have Vesna-like numbers to win the Calder as a goalie. Steve Mason, the year he won it? Obnoxious.

He was like a 930 goalie. I'm just saying. It might happen. Raycroft too Damn Raycroft the year He won the Calder Was spectacular

And there's another guy Who had previous NHL games Under his belt too And then he got hurt And for some reason Traded to the Leafs And let's not get Into that depression

What up Jesse What do you have Did you have something No I was looking through Goalies who's won the Calder We got Mason

Raycroft Nabokov Brodeur Balfour man those are some old names yeah jeez you met a listener in a sushi restaurant?

I did so there's my favorite sushi place in Toronto so this wasn't in Vancouver no no no it's at like Young and Wellesley I want to say so I go in there I go and pick up my sushi order and then this girl's there with like two of her other friends and then I was like hey I'm here

to pick up my order and I guess she hears my voice and she's like are you on a podcast and I'm like yeah and then her friend's like asking oh who is this dude

and she's like nothing it's just this dumb podcast I listen to and she runs out I have never seen someone more embarrassed

that they recognize you to tell their friends that they listen to us she refused I was like oh hey do you want to talk about

she's like no no no I'm good and they just scurried out of there honestly there's something that's still embarrassing about podcasts

for some reason you say the word podcast and people are like oh her specific words are no he's no one just some dumb podcast

I listen to she didn't want to name it to her friends yeah well you're a dumb podcast too Jesse you are you are talking about a phenomenon that I love though

is cause I love I love meeting the listeners but sometimes you meet listeners with their friends and their friends have no idea yes what your podcast is

or who you are and it's funny I always love the friends reaction because they usually look at you like you're from outer space like you just got out of prison or something But I really love the curious friend

So what's this guy's deal? Yeah, and they're always super aggressive about it Like, oh, you think you're a big deal? And they ask you questions like Yeah, so what do you do? Oh, yeah? Who do you add on? How many lists did you get?

Oh, you work at Sportsnet? Oh, how tall is Yvonne Cosmack? What? Tall First of all, hi, I'm Steve Yeah, second tall I mean, let's start there Oh, you work at Sportsnet?

Introduce me to Caroline Cameron. I can't just do that, sir. I can't just... I don't know Caroline on that level, although she is very nice. Yeah. They never ask about Ken Reed. Ah.

Lost cause, I would say. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, they're like, hey, can you hook me up, you know, with Caroline Cameron? And I tell them, out of here, boy! Adam doesn't know what I'm talking about.

I just haven't listened. Hey, question for you guys. Remember that... Remember that there was a listener that sent us a puck that they caught at a game? they did and we signed it

and they asked us to send it back have we not done that I've been cleaning out my house and I found the puck oh my god you bought them a new one

though I bought them a new one yeah and we sent it oh my god well I found their puck yeah cause it wasn't a puck they caught

they just bought a puck and asked us to sign it and send it back I sure hope that's the case and then you lost that puck and then you had bought another one and we signed it

and we sent it oh thank god I felt terrible about that but I was like how very us well yeah he must have found it when he

so wait a sec I have literally been cleaning out my house This is why Steve gets his watch Yeah, I'm discovering something here, Jesse Adam didn't decide to give me this watch today He happened to find it No, no, no He lost his gift

I knew it was there the whole time I knew where it was too Steve, I would tell you I was honest about the puck I did lose that The watch, not so much I feel like Russell Peters Apparently he did a Cribs episode

and he had like this crazy watch on and he's like oh what time is it oh I think it's $13,000 Nick Cannon posted a Nick Cannon posted a

watch once and it was like it's a million o'clock oh and it's Nick Cannon man fuck Nick Cannon son SL and I recently discovered that we can find

all the Chappelle shows so we don't have to do illegal things to get it like we did that one where oh no no no okay

no no no oh no no Oh, is it? Yeah, Wednesday night. You mean you found them because you have the DVDs at home? No, I have one season. Oh, God, we had so much fun watching them. They're still great.

They're still great. They're still great. Oh, anyway. All right, and we've got to do a What's Up in Liberty Village. I just wanted to take care of the puck housekeeping. What do we do with the puck? Now that it's signed by us. Here we go.

I was looking for this on my Twitter. What should we do? I took a picture of the one that we signed. Yeah, oh, okay. So, yeah, it happened. All right, but what do we do with the puck? Look at my autograph not taking up the entire puck. Yeah, but it did take 10 minutes to sign.

What do we do with that? Give away? Do we give it away? Should we give it to the person? The rightful person? Yeah, maybe they can. I don't know if they want two signed pucks. Why not?

Well, because we're just some dumb podcast. We're just some dumb podcast? Mm-hmm. How dare you? What's this guy's deal? I don't know. I don't know. Anyway.

You ever met Don Cherry? Yeah. You ever met Ron McClane? That's all I ever get. Yeah. What's Nick Kiprios like? Is he a dick? Yeah, it's always, is he?

Yeah, it's always, is he an asshole? Is he really a dick? The next time we have him on, we should be like, Nick, this is the first question we get asked. How do you respond to that? Because you know he'd have a funny answer. My favorite is, is so-and-so a dick? And then you start to answer and they go, oh, because he seems like a dick. And I'm like, man.

No, do you want my coworker? Also, if I've just told you he's not a dick, then he's not a dick. Is Nick Caprios a dick? No, he's not. He's actually a really nice guy. I fucking hate that guy. Okay, well, I just told you he's actually really nice. They just want their suspicions confirmed, right?

Oh, 100%. And I think we're all like that. I think we're all like that. I'm sure there are people who... So, you asked me to do What's Up in Liberty Village. Yeah, how was Christmas? Now, we've emptied the tank on that. Oh, we have.

So, I pulled up the worst tweets of 2016. Oh! And I think this will be... I can bring up the Liberty Village for next episode. All right, bring up Lena Dunham's tagline. Yeah, that's fine. I thought you were going to go Oshawa Harmony Dog Park. No, no.

Which, by the way, I told Caprice's entire family to join because they're all from Oshawa. I said, you guys just need to go... They were like, why do you like that page? I'm like, read the comments. That's why I like that page. It's the best. Do we want to start with Lena Dunham? Let's hear it.

She tweeted on March 4th, 2016. This is the beginning of the maddening year that was Lena Dunham. Finally watched Damn Daniel. I feel it's some of the most important queer performance art of our time. She must be joking. Yeah.

Also, he's gay? No. Well, not necessarily. But also, hey, hold on, hold on. We don't know. But why does it matter? It doesn't. He has clean shoes.

he has really nice clean shoes white fans white fans holy fuck oh alright you know what

that tweet on its own is fine but with all the other stuff that has come out about Lena Dunham with the Odell Beckham and the I wish I had an abortion

and the other thing like some other stuff she posted then you put it in that context you're like oh my god because she seems like a legitimately

nice person but man some of the stuff she says I'm like you're out to lunch you're insane Is she still on TV?

Yeah, yeah. I think Girls is going to when it's last season. My fiance is obsessed with that show. Oh, okay. Yeah, obsessed. And it's funny

because it's a show about all of them are terrible people. It's like, here's four bad people and here's a TV show about them. So it's the sequel to Gilmore Girls. Yeah, I guess so.

So I finally finished that damn thing with Mrs. Dangle. And I gotta tell you, Luke's the only good person on that show. And I know I'm dressed like him today

if you're watching the YouTube thing. But yeah, Rory is an asshole. Rory Gilmore is a piece of shit. I've never seen an episode. Rory is useless. I've never seen an episode, but Rory cheats on Luke, right?

Everybody. Okay. And is just kind of a reprehensible human being. There's a lot of shows dressed in the Gilmore Girls and Seventh Heaven and whatever. They're all bad. They're all bad people. And they're all objectively terrible people. The grandma's bad.

Kirk has a good heart, but he's a pain in the ass. The mayor needs an ass kicking Why is the mayor Like how small is this town I don't know Why is the mayor even involved Get out of here with the mayor And he always fucks with Luke

Why does he always fuck with Luke Because Luke's the good guy Why does Luke always handle it so poorly Why doesn't Luke move to the city And find some actual good people to live with Another thing is That I made fun of that show And this will

I mean for the 2% of you or whatever that watch it Oh, I think it's way more than 2%. I know. They always end the show the same way. With this weird acoustic guitar. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And they end it no matter how the story ends. Right?

So I noticed this a few seasons in, and it would be like a really depressing ending. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And finally, like I said to my wife, I go, you know, one of these days, someone's going to have a heart attack, and people are going to be like, Oh my God!

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. and lo and behold and lo and behold grandpa has a heart attack ding ding ding ding there's nothing that shows like that

like more than people being in hospital like they just live and die off of people being in hospital

they live and die period that's kind of the end Jesse other tweets so this tweet is from

Farhad Manju who's a tech writer for the New York Times okay he wrote one of One of the signs that Twitter isn't doing a good job is that it hasn't created an easy way to tweetstorm.

What? One of the signs it's not doing a good job is you can't tweetstorm? They haven't created an easy way to tweetstorm. Tweetstorm is when you be like, hey, I'm going to tweet out all these things. You're like, one, part one of this thing. And you write your damn essay on Twitter.

Or you just reply to yourself and that's how you do it. I hate when people do that anyway. The tech writer for the New York Times doesn't know that? So my point with this tweet is, aren't those awful when somebody does like a 12-tweet missive and they're, just write a blog, you know? Yes. That's not what Twitter is for. There is a certain...

I'll do two or three. Actually, no, I should do two or three, right? Two or three is acceptable. There are a few hockey writers where I've messaged them and I started nice and by the end of it, I'm like, what's the matter with you? That's a blog. That is a 1,500-word blog you just tweeted. Don't you like content?

The fuck are you doing? I don't like people who are not concerned with people getting what they're saying. What are you saying it for then? You're saying it for yourself. So keep it to yourself. You fucking narcissistic dick. Who's going through your 50 tweet replies to yourself? No one!

You'd be surprised. I'm getting to the point now where people are now looking at my mentions. And they'll respond to people before I can. Oh yeah Does that happen to you too? And that's not That's not just With the podcast

That's like with KISS With Breakfast Television It'll be like A BT viewer will tweet in And be like Hey I can't The contest work isn't like And somebody else will go

Have you tried this? And it's like How did you see that? That's a little different Because that's a conversation On one thread Right This is you

Taking advantage of 140 characters 15 times in a row You know who would probably Prefer you not tweet storm And instead write an article Your editor at the New York Times The fuck I'm surprised I made the list though

that's annoying it's just a dummy tweet you're the tech writer of the New York Times you should know that google it random person but they receive a lot of love for this tweet how come I never see guys in zombie horror flicks

looking for tampons this has made the worst serious question I'm not sure what the point of that was I'm just stunned I got nothing is there a higher thing that I'm missing out here

they think that if guys are going to the grocery store it's like a zombie world is ending that their significant other would ask

hey find some tampons and it just doesn't happen in movies so it doesn't represent them in the truth of life do you think that person's joking no

you think that person is being serious not based on their profile Jesse is a pessimist which I think is great because I'm very much an optimist

but his answer to that question is always yes they mean that shit you think this person actually meant it I think they're serious guys

the point of a movie is not to be that ultra real why are you explaining you're right let's keep going you're right I love you Steve

Chris Saka I love you who is I believe he's an investment banker he was on Shark Tank for a little he said

most gold medalists choke up but I've yet to see a founder cry upon an IPO, though they've worked as hard and are obsessively consumed. Hmm.

What? Okay, so you're saying that because when you have an IPO, which means... I hate that so much, by the way. Do you understand that, the IPO thing? When you end with a hmm. Sorry, what? The IPO.

Yeah, and the emoji that always is like, hmm, the hmm emoji. That should just be like, I am being passive-aggressive. That's how that... By the way, I get those all the time. What he's saying is that Someone who founds a company

Works just as hard as an Olympic athlete To get to where they need to go Now What a Not only I don't even want to debate the legitimacy of that Because whatever Why do you need a trophy?

Your trophy is your effing bank account If you have an IPO It's your life You know what You didn't finish in the top three The goal of life Is happiness And you don't have it

You know what You know what it is Sorry You didn't finish In the top three You didn't You don't have it Get out

And also Let me just say this People who own CEOs CEOs get Work just as hard As Olympic athletes Yet they get paid

8,000 times as much Hmm Hmm Oh And no But Adam just Did a very interesting thing So I hate tweets

that end with hmm, I bet a lot of the responses to that were people sarcastically saying, like making a point, a counterpoint, and then going hmm. And I don't even understand what his point was.

Like, is it that you don't want to see a gold medalist cry? His point was he was having a hard day and he wants a trophy. I hate when gold medalists cry. What is your point? What are you getting at? What is it?

Well, business people don't, so neither should you. Okay, Jim Bob, thanks for the tweet. Really appreciate it. Back to the social commentary. It was like the Lou Marsh stuff with Penny Alexiak. I'm like, she's 16, you fucking assholes!

It's amazing what she's done! No, it should be Sidney Crosby. No, no. It's Penny Alexiak or shut the hell up, you're wrong. Period. Darren Revell. Who? Darren Revell.

Hi, Darren. He is the sports business at Reporter for ESPN. The Facts Network. a couple weeks before the election he writes, he tweets I feel bad for our country but this is tremendous content wait, say that again

a couple weeks before the election his tweet was in late October he tweets, I feel bad for our country but this is tremendous content hold up on this I got a hot take off this one why did it take you until October to tweet that

Because it's been happening at that point For like 15 months We know man Are you just picking it up now A month before the election We knew that last July I need help from Americans Because we don't get to see as much of Mr. Ravel

Do we not He's on primetime like every week He is With Bob Here's my thing with him Is he kidding No No, he's not.

Because he's like a really, like, is that a brilliant parody? Like, is that brilliant, weird Twitter? No, this is him. That wouldn't be brilliant even if he was trying to be brilliant. There's nothing brilliant about that. That's just somebody going, here's an easy tweet. That's like me going, ah, 2016, stop it with killing the celebrities. Like, I said it on the show.

I mean, I'm not going to tweet it. It's been tweeted. We know. Live your dreams. Do your best to live your dreams. because there are thousands of fuckwits that are living theirs. And your dreams are better.

Fuckwit, over here. So, Darren Revell's entire thing is based on content. One of his tweets from three hours ago was, mashed potato eating was up 196% on Xmas versus the day before. What?

How the fuck does he know that? You can only go off potato sales, but you don't know what people did with those potatoes once they entered a home. Apparently, he got the data from Under Armour's MyFitnessPal users. Ham was also up 174%.

So his tweet about content being great in America because Donald Trump is president, it's factual. Also, you know what I can't stand? When on-air people call it content. On-air. You call it, content is a behind-the-scenes term

that we use to describe things that we post and things that we say and things that we put on camera. I don't think people are like, because it's such a broad, boring term. Content is a professional way of saying shit. Yeah. It's such a bunch of shit.

I just, it's like, it's like saying to me, like on the radio, let's go to the phone lines. Like, why? What the hell does that mean? Let's get some content on the phone. Yeah. It's not quite the same. That's even better. Why do we, there's so many things we say in broadcasting where, and I'm sure I'm guilty

of it too, but we, because. Let's get some content from the phone. Yeah. I just had a few things to say about damn Daniel. Damn Daniel's content. Damn Daniel is content It is content No but that's the point

Right Stop saying content Stop it We're creating content right now This is some really quality content This is creative content Are you content with the content It's very meta

We're talking about mashed potatoes We're talking about mashed potatoes content Are you content with this content You should stop and appreciate that This is really good Darren Revell Mashed potatoes Darren Revell content

Alright come on Salon.com writer Oh no Mary Beth Williams Who? Sorry Mary Beth Williams MB Dubs

Yo shout out MB Dubs one time MB Dubs Word up MB I don't know who this person is Salon.com Mary Beth Williams Tweets On May 4th of this year

People who act like getting healed from cancer Is a personal achievement Disgusting Whoa Whoa Whoa Hold on It's an insult to those who've tried and died

Okay, repeat that one more time. I can barely make it through this. People who act like getting healed from cancer is a personal achievement disgust me. It's an insult to those who've tried and died. I got nothing. She cannot still be employed. She is currently employed. Her tweet is still up and she still believes this.

fuck click her there's no way she is she sure is she being serious yeah I don't think

she tweeted oh my fuck wow dude that's some fucked up content I don't think we've ever been

quiet after something have we ever been brought to know like speechless rendered speechless by something what an asinine

ridiculous obnoxious thing to say Adam, of course. Of course. Like, you don't even need to say it. Of course. And the thing is, they're not even linked.

They're not even linked. Of course. Adam, you're trying to... It is a personal achievement. You're trying to rationalize nonsense. That makes me so, so mad. Yeah, but... Are you crazy?

Now, you're letting a buffoon affect your mood. Oh, you're right. All right, next tweet. Damn it, what? One of the other things that's on her timeline is retweet if you're a feminist who spent yesterday and or today in the kitchen. She retweeted it. I don't understand that.

Okay, you want to talk about something that's not actually an achievement? Just being in the kitchen. We all get to eat. The fuck? I'm not really sure what's happening with that. Should I retweet that? I'm in the kitchen every day. I love food.

And you're a feminist. And I'm a feminist. Kevin Rose tweeted, he is a tech investor. He's worth millions. I'm trying to slow down and actually talk and listen to people I interact with on a daily basis. Baristas, asking the name

of the homeless person, etc. Okay, one more time. I'm trying to slow down and contextualize this person one more time. Kevin Rose, a tech investor, millionaire. He runs the Tony Hawk Foundation. That sort of

He says, on March 15th of this year, I'm trying to slow down and actually talk and listen to people I interact with. Pause. Oh, that's neat. That'd be a good tweet. Yeah. That's a good tweet. It's a little ambiguous, but it's a good tweet. Oh, but it continues.

Baristas asking the name of the homeless person, etc. That's just him going, I talk to peasants. The tweet could easily be, I talk to peasants. In context. it's like oh you're you're gonna say hi to the little people who aren't millionaires you talk you talk about insecurity you know i'm a millionaire i'm just like i'm one of you guys i talk to my barista i also get coffee yeah like what the fuck no no usually good for you usually when i get coffee i go they go hi how could i i gotta go

and i just hand them a piece of paper with my order on it and then i turn my back to them And talk to no one else there Unless I can verify they're a millionaire I don't talk to them But I got this friend Kevin Who talks to baristas like a weirdo And then every subsequent attempt to talk to me I respond with

Fuck you Kevin Yo Can we just say that Kevin was feeling Kevin was feeling Kevin that day And tweeted about Kevin Like Kevin was like Kevin you are

He woke up that morning and was like, you are a good person. You need to tweet about this. That's what he's doing. He's just telling himself he's great. I'm pretty great, folks. Send. But don't anybody go surviving cancer now.

No. Oh, those are different people saying things. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. This is why it was good in the past when limited amounts of people got a platform. Yeah. You know what?

Not everybody should have a platform. I'm saying it I'm coming out and saying it I don't know how to decipher who should and shouldn't but there are some people that don't need a platform I think everyone just needs

to say fewer things though yes save your bullets yeah well because I think if you just reduce the amount of things it's quality control

listen that's hard for me to do I'm a broadcaster with like three jobs it's really that's very difficult so Adam works really hard

he's a broadcaster with three jobs sometimes sometimes I ask the name of the people doing the camera and producing the show I actually saw a barista

at one time asked him what his name was and he said Mucous is my name we can end with this one can we end I'm enjoying this do we have to

we don't have to end no let's keep going Bill Simmons tweeted in May great May 22nd you had to question this is how Canadian you are

it's like who's Bill Simmons I just think the irony of this tweet is amazing oh dear he said the best thing about making content in 2016

if you have if you have just the mashed potatoes if you have good content people are going to find it no matter who you are

and where you are says the guy who a few months later got his show taken off the air after four episodes for bad content because it was so awful

I remember that getting flamed at the time uh cause I don't know it's he still kinda tweets like uh

hey he's a little bit of a Kevin hey you know I'm just one of you guys blogging away and then all the responses were like fuck you Bill Simmons

ESPN whatever the other thing was he could be the everyman but he's so sanctimonious sometimes didn't he used to write for the Simpsons? Bill Simmons? no or am I confusing him with someone else?

I don't know I'm trying to remember there was someone who was a Simpsons writer and then got into sports I don't know the guy's extremely talented he just doesn't win any favors he doesn't know how to get people on side

with Bill Simmons he's the worst PR guy for himself because he's good is he just trying to be positive there and be like hey you know if you want to write something you know get it out there no because when you put it in a Bill Simmons context it's him going

because he's a near guy he is he's such a near and I like Bill Simmons how would you tweet that NYH actually good one for the next episode For Thursday

Can everybody give us Their best We'll just run a super cut Of them all together Just back to back Video Yeah just get We'll record them all

And put them all together And we'll just run them At the end of the episode Give us your But you know what I mean He's just like He's just Sometimes man

I talked to my barista I talked to my Kevin You're so good Shit Kevin Shit Kevin Shit Kevin What the fuck

Did you get so moral Kevin Kevin, you got better shit to do, but you're asking that homeless man and that barista their names. When they bring the donation basket around in church, Kevin stands up and goes, it's a fiver! Big fiver! No change! Here we go!

What are things that fall under the et cetera in Kevin's tweet? What else did he do that day? Oh, man. He might have held a door for someone. make conversation with the person shining your shoes

he looked just valet in the eye he had a problem with his Tesla battery and called the dealership himself if someone holds the door for you

gently place your hand on their cheek and go you're an angel and walk away and continue your day making millions of dollars yeah

exactly exactly every time you give money to a homeless person It's a Fiverr! Charity! Charity? Charity!

Where's your Fiverr? Did everyone walk in? Sorry. This is Jim. Didn't ask anything else, but it's Jim. I'm Sean. Will McAvoy? Sorry.

Will McAvoy, I believe. McAvoy. McAvoy? It should be McAvoy, though. I'm all his names, we know this. It's okay, man. Atlantis, he's a host of Newsnight at Atlantis Cable News. I don't know where that is.

I've never heard of it. I want to say UK. i'm not totally sure he tweeted just so we're all clear i don't give a flying fuck what you believe all i care about is what you can show and what you can prove is will mcavoy an atheist i think he might be one of those why are we tweeting religious stuff man there are certain atheists who just kind of go around their life or just go about their life and then there's the ricky gervais types like man i love your comedy dude but you don't have that every five seconds goes,

there's no God, you know. Just in case you were wondering, no God. Ricky, shut the fuck up. Like, we know, Ricky, you don't believe in God. We get it. Continue.

But other people get to be arrogant and outward about their religion. That's what you're doing, Ricky. Why are you being the thing you hate? Sorry. Politics writer, Sarah Kensivore, she tweeted,

Hello, FBI. She's written for The Guardian, actually, Globe and Mail. there's some context so she's tweeting the FBI good start hello FBI good start

good start give me a good tweet that's a great way to get investigated by the way tweet the FBI I'd like to report a victim of scam

and internet fraud the victim is the USA and one of the perpetrators is you did she tweet did she tweet the NSA because that's the real the NSA is the real problem

she said hello at FBI I bet I get but actually by the way on that comment I say the NSA is the real problem

but actually anyway continue if you listen how do you how much do you want to bet that for the next

five years she gets audited on her taxes I'm just throwing that out there I don't know how as if now there's another

conspiracy Adam as if the Twitter manager for the FBI is going audit sent an untoward tweet towards me audit

why not Sophia Benoit wouldn't you Why not? I absolutely would I'm just saying I don't think they have That kind of power

Not the FBI FBI social media manager Oh okay Imagine being the guy Imagine being the person That has to manage Social media for the FBI What a terrible job

I can't imagine being A social media manager For any company is great Because basically it's We're too old to know How to post this properly Here's what you need to post Just answer hot tips

On the JFK assassination All day long the mentions must be crazy you did it they say we did it FBA FBA tweets no Elvis

actually died Elvis shot JFK Sophia Benoit she's a refinery29.com writer oh boy this could go either way

yeah but since it's bad tweets of 2016 I'm gonna go with not good saying Trump has a small dick one

having a small dick is perfectly fine two shame his character instead but she's right I'm with her on that I don't think saying

I don't think saying Trump has a small penis gets you anywhere it just makes you look like an asshole the same assholes that are on the other side tweeting the same thing about Hillary a lot of my questions about these are does that need to be tweeted yes

because you need to attack everything give us one more one more been thinking about the intersection of selfie and Hamilton who tweeted that what

let me find out what she does please what her name is Rachel hey Rach hello she is a writer for the New Yorker

Elle and the New York Times wow so she's very accomplished I've been thinking about the intersection between selfie

and Hamilton yes you know what maybe I'm just stupid that's likely the case I don't get that at all I don't I think

it's is it a cultural cross section she's talking about I think it's They're trying to talk about modern things that they don't like. And this person doesn't like selfies or the musical Hamilton. That is my interpretation of it. Is she talking about selfie?

Selfies? Or, because she just said selfie. And Hamilton. I don't know. Are they talking about the song Selfie? Yeah, by the Chainsmokers? I don't know. Putting that in the...

That is a shitty tweet. That's a shitty tweet Yeah that's bad Alright It's one thing To understand The bad point That you're trying to make

It's another To just be completely Unintelligible What the fuck is that Anyways There's some There's some bad tweets In 2016

You know what I would've liked Worst sports tweets Of 2016 Why has nobody done that We still got a show Hopefully someone does it We still got one show I would like someone

To compile that Cause it ain't gonna be me But wow Send them to us Yeah Send us the worst Send us your worst sports Send them to Jesse

Don't send them to Steve Rice send them to Jesse your worst sports tweets of 2016 you know what I don't like though damn I might be in there I don't like this sometimes people will send me tweets

that they don't like they'll be like oh look what this person said but then they'll tag the person and be like look at this fucking idiot I'm like don't do that man they do read that

they do read that they do read that and like I odds are got to meet them yeah or have to meet them at some point

so that's gonna be an awkward apparently a lot of my listeners think you're a fuckwit Fuckwit's great Great word Fuckwit Fuckwit Hey

If you are retweeting yourself And I love it You love it Yes Okay so there is A certain decorum That goes with retweeting yourself

If you are one of those people That tweets inspirational stuff That's very ambiguous Okay Are you able to retweet yourself Because if you're retweeting yourself Because you made a prediction Say in sport

In our case Steve you're like Oh I think Austin Masters Get three goals tonight And he does and you retweet yourself understandable and you're doing it

in a joke like with a wink tongue in cheek sometimes I do it with like an LFR link content with my content

sometimes I do it with my content is that the case Steve? it is the case as long as that's no one knows that story yet is that actually the case is that actually the case

as long as that's the case Steve I was I don't even remember what that was we need to that's something we need to bring up I don't even remember the context I was just delusional

the reason I bring this up is because our good friend Levi Maestro tweeted something on December the 30th, 2012. And he said, I don't deserve anything, just trying too hard to receive it. What?

And he said, too is spelled T-O. I don't deserve anything, just trying hard, sorry, just trying hard to receive it. My bad. I don't deserve anything, just trying hard to receive it. Just tweet you work hard. Or don't. But he retweeted

Or just work hard. Or just work hard and let your work maybe do the talking for you. Levi Maestro retweeted that that is from the 30th of December 2012 he just retweeted that that's where you're like okay

right good for you you should just respond to that with good for you do you think that he talks to his barista do you think he talks to his skateboard shop seller man

the guy that sold him the longboard yeah and he doesn't even buy anything he just goes in there and talks to him so that they I bet they talk without words yeah we had a conversation

without words after about five minutes they go sir and he just goes like this and just walks out poof in a black smoke maestro

and just walks out are we being a dick to Levi Maestro does he deserve it I don't think we're being a dick to him because we never called him a bad person

we just think he's a tad bit ridiculous that's a fair way of putting it I think we're pointing out a ridiculous a bit of a ridiculous personality

therefore making me ridiculous I don't think anybody's I think we've all Kind of called ourselves out For being ridiculous Many times Humanity is ridiculous

That's what we do here Man okay Every episode There's something I don't laugh at Hard enough Until I watch it again Jesse's line

About the fucking robot Becoming self aware From last show Okay now you're Retweeting yourself I'm retweeting Jesse I'm retweeting Jesse Oh wait no

I did tweet that Or did I? No I don't know That was to the Facebook I'm just saying You're retweeting yourself Why is this podcast ever done

Hey, so let's do the press conference. Oh my god, we're doing a press conference? Yes. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. I hope I get some holiday traffic. Adam. Yep.

Steve said that if he wasn't doing this, we'd probably start a UFC podcast if hockey goes into a lockout. What podcast would you start? What podcast would I start? Yes. You know what I'd like to do? I would like to do a show on I would love to do

a Star Wars podcast that was actually like listenable I haven't found one yet there's a couple out there though right there are a couple out there

not good no it's not that they're not good I think it's just that what I like about this show is that if you don't like hockey you can still listen to this show I think what a show a great show is

is the it's less about what you know and more about I mean it's important what you know but I want

I want compelling characters I want compelling people so I'd want to pull one together like that I'd also like to do a different take on history but I don't want to say that because I actually

one day want to do this so I don't want to give up my full idea for a history podcast but I actually have an idea on that and one day I would like to do that

if anything ever calmed down have you listened to Dan Carlins? no I plan on binging it over the holidays okay you need to listen to his series

on World War I I've listened to them all they're amazing the way he does it is incredible the thing is though you gotta be a hardcore history geek

because it's a it's a commitment right you're talking about a show that's four hours long he basically writes a book and then

dictates it yes I wanna get rid of that term history geek you should want to be informed on what the fuck

has happened if you just called history what the fuck has happened yeah more people would be interested in it do

if you one thing I've become obsessed with in the last year or so and it's because of Dan Carlin is World War I and just the events

surrounding leading up to ending it The World War I was literally the most transformative five, six years. I mean, the war lasted four and a half. And it was like 50 years in the making. Yes, 50 years in the making. It's a very key thing I learned. And it was the end of one era and the start of essentially the modern era we're in right now.

Pretty much everywhere. Everywhere in the world. Yeah. Crazy. Not just the Western world. Basically everywhere. Like traditions that had been around for a thousand years ended. regions that had been the same for a thousand years

ended. Empires that had been there for 500, 600, 700 years gone, dissipated, forever and the effects of that are things that we're still seeing today and that I think is so crazy I love that I find that war so fascinating

History in university was really good I liked it because it also clarified a lot of the history that we learned in high school because in World War I they teach you this country, this country, this country versus this country this country and the Ottoman Empire

and and they don't ever explain what the hell that was I know I'm like how about you start with what the fuck the Ottoman Empire was well that's another thing

that I've been getting into and then they explain it is the the the Ottoman Turks and you know what happened in Armenia like the Armenian Genocide

and all that stuff like crazy the stuff that we are not even taught and tell me about World War I outside of the Western Front do you know anything

about World War I except for France and its colonies and Britain and its colonies versus Germany is crazy

yet there's very little written in English on it it's nuts anyway it's fascinating we're totally off topic I would do a history and I would do a Star Wars

but I would do them a little bit differently from what they've been done and if you have any recommendations on a Star Wars one please show me if you're in university right now

and you need an elective and you're willing to challenge yourself take a history there were really hard courses to take the whole yeah they're pretty hard

you're going to take a shit load of notes and write 3,000 word essays And you're going to be in the library all the time. Yeah, but, I mean, jeez, I retained as much from those electives as I did from the rest of the school. Are we done? I got another question. Had Sidney Crosby played in Wayne Gretzky's era, do you think he would be the all-time point scorer?

Probably. I think he would be like a complete freak to them. he would be the most conditioned athlete in the league one of the strongest fastest for sure probably have the best shot

now this is the interesting thing does he get to play with all his equipment or does he have to play in 80s equipment which is different heavier

I'm sure he'd be fine though like when did Gretzky play through like when did he start 1979 to 1999 okay so through that entire era if Crosby gets all that time

from 2016 Crosby equipment and everything how many points does it score like it's hard to say but it's funny I was talking to someone

about this over the Christmas break it's easy to talk about Gretzky's era as being crap and it was um boy it was fun though

yeah he had a thousand more points than anyone else yeah like other players played in that era Like I know

I know his era Wasn't that great But in that era He was Way Ahead of Anybody He was the most

Dominant player Of any one era That anyone ever was Sorry anyone what? He was the most Dominant player Of any one era I'm sorry what?

Any God damn it Adam Hey what? Any One Era Any what? I don't get it

I'm stupid I'm sorry Era? Era Steve? I'm so sorry How dare He's the most dominant player Of any one era

Thank you Was that Was that audible blue balls I'm sorry He just doesn't get things Sometimes That was a hard one To pick up

Every show That was hard to pick up That was not his fault Bobby Orr was the best player Of all time Okay fine You could argue Mario Lemieux was the best player

Of all time There's a decent argument For that Okay fine I've seen people say Crosby Fine Gretzky was Easily the most dominant

In his own era And it's not close It's not It's simply not close He fucking destroyed his era I know Era I don't have any problem with Gretzky being called the best player of all time

I don't You look at those Oilers dynasties And the amazing players on those teams Gretzky was Still like doubling them up in points How is that possible? You're on the same team You're on the same line

216 points in one season 92 goals what's the assist at if he never scored any goals he'd still lead the entire NHL

in points the NHL's all time goal scoring leader if he didn't score a single goal would still lead the NHL in scoring all time

yeah I'm sorry he's the best player of all time period end of story I didn't say he's the best skilled most dominant okay

semantics best player of all time most dominant but actually most dominant Adam you're right Steve but the best player of all time

was Dominic Steve and I might have a problem oh you guys have a problem oh shit we might have a problem with me because Jalen writes

hi my name is Jalen from Tampa when Adam came down I gave him a big bag of free stuff just wanted to double check and see if you guys got it well Jalen

thank you for blowing the surprise because I am going back to Florida next week I couldn't fit it in my luggage So I was going to bring it back Adam's number one export is excuses

Wow It's a big bag Wow It's a big bag of free stuff So I'd say it's about time That you As I look at my dead watch

I'd say it's about time That you coughed up our free Florida shit Well I will Is Florida in London? Jalen's right, Jalen's totally right You gotta give me a mo here bud I could not I couldn't get it at home

It was just too much stuff You're Arnold Schwarzenegger From the beginning of Jingle All The Way And you were late for your son's Whatever he's doing at school thing You're right I think it might be karate I don't remember

So you're driving in the shoulder Whatever To get there on time Karate's bullshit anyway Why would anybody want to do that? I'm kidding, I'm kidding As Archer calls it The Dane Cook of martial arts

The Dane Cook of martial arts That's a good one It's actually really good That's a hell of a show by the way Archer Oh my god Alright so are we done Fuck it's almost three

Yeah This has to be the longest one No Still no No What are we at right now Nah About

Yeah just Just over two No definitely not the longest Just over two Yeah It hasn't been that long We started late man Yeah

Anyway I got a missed call from Mrs. Dangle Oh goodness She's mad What do you mean huh Yeah she's mad that you guys Took me away from our Christmas break together.

You mean you had to do your goddamn job? I know. She's mad about you having to do your goddamn job. Do you have to go to work for the second time this month? We have done more than two podcasts, Jesse! Follow the guys on Twitter at Steve underscore Dangle at Adam W-Y-L-D-E

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