The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Feb 25, 2016 - Before the Boom

Episode Date: February 26, 2016

The guys react to the Ladd trade and prepare for the earth-shattering kaboom the trade deadline should provide. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Walsh. Gentlemen, we have a trade to announce. But before we do that, we need to hear the best remix of the last week on the internet. Are you serious? Damn, Daniel. Damn, Daniel. Get ready. Get ready. This drop is going to wreck your life.
Starting point is 00:00:30 you wreck my life damn daniel damn daniel damn daniel damn daniel damn daniel back at it again with the white dance we uh
Starting point is 00:00:51 do allegedly have a sports show hold on how great is this I'm not gonna lie I would bop to that. I am bopping to that right now. The white band. Hold on, it's almost over.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Come on! It's incredible. Chicago Blackhawks. All right. You're right. Just wanted to start with some music and celebrate because it is Christmas. Yeah!
Starting point is 00:01:25 This is our last show pre-trade deadline. It's when we wake up. It's like we're going into a bomb shelter. Yeah. And we're going to open it after all the 28 days later zombies go away. And we're going to just see a whole new world. Well, they're all ruining Christmas. It's all happening on Monday.
Starting point is 00:01:43 Not now. You know, people say that every year. And every year there's like 10 or 15 things at least. Plus the Leafs. Like God knows how many moves they're going to make. Totally. They've already made two and they could still potentially have 10 more. The thing is, the Leafs are, all the shrapnel from the Leafs still has yet to play out.
Starting point is 00:02:03 So this is why, last year we didn't really have a story like this, I don't think, like Buffalo sort of, but there wasn't like a team that genuinely has been waiting their entire year planned for the trade deadline like the Leafs have. It's interesting you say that, Adam, because Edmonton was objectively terrible last season. And Buffalo was so bad. But the consequence of how bad they were. Like, we talked about it last show. Buffalo ended last season with 54 points. The Leafs, as bad as they are, already have 50.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Right? They were so bad, Edmonton and Buffalo, that they had nothing to sell. Yeah, that was the problem. They had nothing to sell. And they still don't. The Leafs you can strip to the bone. There's a little bit of flesh there, at least. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:02:51 And that's flesh that they earned last summer. They went out and they got a lot of the stuff that they're now selling, which is interesting. This is by design. This is all by design. Now, let's talk about the trade. Chicago Blackhawks now, I guess they've rehomed Andrew Ladd because he did play there and won a cup there. That's right. He's getting the Christopher Stieg special.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Like, ah, you know, jersey fits the same. Totally. And I did win a cup here, but I missed out on two of them. Oh, nuts. No nuts. I guess I'll win another one. Oh, what a waste of a career. So here's how the deal breaks down.
Starting point is 00:03:25 It's Ladd, Mike Fraser? Matt Fraser. Matt Fraser. There's a Matt Fraser and there's a Mark Fraser. It's Matt Fraser. There's all kinds of Frasers. I'm sure there's a Mike Fraser, too. Fraser, Jay Harrison, former Toronto Maple Leaf,
Starting point is 00:03:36 who's apparently buried in the minors. That's what General Fanger said. For Marco Dano, first round pick. A third rounder in 2018 as well. This is conditional on the Chicago Blackhawks winning the Cups. So if the Cup goes to Chicago this year, Winnipeg then gets the 2018 third rounder for Chicago. Which is, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Oh, yeah, sorry. Also, Winnipeg retains 36% of Ladd's salary. That's a crazy condition. Imagine being good enough where it's like, oh, yeah, if we win, then yeah, you can have our first round pick. There have been conditions like that in the past. And one in particular I remember was Chris Pronger going to Anaheim. Didn't the Leafs get an extra second rounder for Cabriolet because the Bruins won one year?
Starting point is 00:04:20 They did. They did, I believe. I think you're right. That was like the Colborne... I think the condition was they go to the final. Right. And yes, they got an extra pick. I can't remember what it was.
Starting point is 00:04:31 And like, I don't mind those kinds of conditions. You know, I think they're smart. Like, look, we're getting this guy to be good. If we get as far as we want, we have no problem giving up this pick. If we don't get that far, we're going to be pretty pissed. and it's going to be hard to do business with you again because you fleeced us. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:04:48 Totally, totally. This is a... I mean, Chicago's got to be thrilled because, I mean, you get... You get a really great leader, character guy who's been there with you before, played with these guys before, right? Yes, and you know what?
Starting point is 00:05:05 I do mean Chicago, but what I actually meant to say was Winnipeg because what they wanted... I don't know why I said... I was like, wait. Steve Engel or Steve Harvey? I have to apologize. I have to apologize.
Starting point is 00:05:20 The Winnipeg Jets actually get... No, because what they wanted, the rumor for the longest time was they wanted a pick and a top prospect. And the whole time I'm like, well, I know it's a trade deadline and everyone loses their head, but good luck. Well, I actually got more than that. They did have to retain some salary, but Matt Fraser and Jay Harrison I don't think were guys they were using anyway. So in a way that was a dump and they almost cancel out. I'm saying that with no numbers in front of me. Well, I think, too, Winnipeg retaining some of Ladd's salary,
Starting point is 00:05:50 it still gives the Hawks $1.4 million under the cap to use, which is a lot more than I actually thought they had. I thought they were one of those teams that were right up against it, but I guess the Harrison-Fraser part of the deal kind of loosened it up. That's probably the only way the deal got done, and that's another way to ensure that you get all those picks. They're buying them. So they're buying them. In the cap world, you've got to figure out ways you can buy draft picks and assets. The Leafs have obviously figured that out, and the Jets are kind of doing that with this deal. This comes from CapFriendly, you already kind of said it. With the Jets retaining 36% of Ladd's salary, the Hawks still have $1.4 million in deadline cap space, so that's the source.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Does this mean That the two scouts that are At the Leafs-Hurricanes game tonight Are not there for nothing Because both the Hurricanes and Leafs are probably going to sell Leafs more than the Canes Right, and does this mean that The Leafs will not do business with the Chicago Blackhawks
Starting point is 00:06:51 I don't think so I don't think, because most of the Leafs Items, I hate talking about people like that But most of the Leafs players Assets that they have Are relatively cheap relatively and and when you're chicago okay so you give up a first round pick well okay that pick is probably going to be somewhere 25 to 30 anyway and you give up a prospect like marco dano you
Starting point is 00:07:14 are mortgaging your future but at the expense of what you have your core and it's locked up forever you have kane you have taves you have keith you have uh seabrook's up pretty soon i yeah i don't remember what his contract's like i think crawford's locked up for a while i think he's got I think Crawford after this year has got three years left. So Jesse's... One interesting thing about their cap situation for next year is that they're projected to be $2.25 million over the cap right now. And that is where the Leafs come in, because...
Starting point is 00:07:46 Oh, Brian Bickle? Can you afford Brian Bickle? Well, your Uncle Leafy can. Right. Artem Anisimov is locked up for quite a while. They extended him before the season began, it looks like. So he'll go up from 3.28 To 4.55
Starting point is 00:08:02 Seabrook is actually locked up I forgot he was extended Oh he was Yo he's making more than Duncan Keith Keith has one of those Stupid Ridiculously Ridonculously
Starting point is 00:08:13 Long contracts From before the lockout And it's not even allowed anymore He's making 5.5 Seabrook is So stupid Duncan Keith makes Is David Clarkson making more than Duncan Keith?
Starting point is 00:08:26 Yes Literally he's making a couple hundred thousand more than keith uh you know who makes only 38 461 dollars per season less than duncan keith dave boland wow dave boland wow it's just unbelievable and it's and it's another example of like a guy like tyler sagan when he rushed at the last minute to get that contract extension signed before those contracts were illegal Tyler Sagan hits free agency and the number doesn't start with nine you hang up the phone I don't get it I don't get it like what are the odds you're gonna suffer a career-ending
Starting point is 00:09:07 injury what are the odds not good anyway back to the Blackhawks your core is locked up um and you just got this found money basically with a guy like Panarin who is signed to what this year and Next, Panarin makes $812,000. And after that even, you probably could bridge him. Well, he's a little older, though, remember. Oh, is he? He's 24, so I'm not sure how that works. Yeah, that's why people are upset if he wins the Calder,
Starting point is 00:09:36 because he played like three years of actual hockey. No, they shouldn't be upset. If he's the new guy in the NHL, it's still an adjustment, is it not? And McDavid has got 28 points in 24 games. I think McDavid should win. I still think he's going to win. It's an interesting argument. But anyway, Andrew Shaw is up, Richard Panik's up, Yuri Seikach is up.
Starting point is 00:09:57 They probably want to retain Andrew Shaw. I don't think they give a rat's about Panik or Seikach, really. I mean, the Hawks are supposed to win now, is what I'm trying to say. Like, it doesn't, okay, you don't want to just be giving away picks and prospects willy-nilly. We saw what that did to the Leafs a few years ago, but the Leafs weren't the Blackhawks. They weren't this team. And it's not like, you know, the guys I just mentioned are old. Keith is 32, but he's a cyborg, so he doesn't count.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Right. Yeah, exactly. They're in position to win this year. They're probably going to be in position to win next year, and the year after that, and the year after that. I don't hate the logic from their end. And I feel like maybe we ripped on the Vermette deal a little too much. Well, I mean, the reason I ripped on the Vermette deal is because I wasn't sure how much he would actually help the Blackhawks,
Starting point is 00:10:48 and they kind of needed a defenseman. And he didn't, at first, help them all that much. I mean, I do remember he was scratched a couple games there, even in the playoffs. The Hawks have put themselves in a bit of a better position defensively this year. And, I mean, they were hurt last year. But you've got to prepare for that. Totally. Totally.
Starting point is 00:11:05 You've got to prepare for that, right? So, well, they just got Jay Harrison if they wanted. They're in a position to win, and they can still add. They can. They can still add. And, I mean, the thing is, if you're the Hawks, I mean, people would say, like, you know, the Leafs give up Parenteau and take on Bickle. What do you, I mean, what do you get?
Starting point is 00:11:28 Do you get Bickle's salary, and what kind of pick are we looking at here? What would that look like? This was the thing, because people were saying, you could probably get a first out of Chicago, because that's how badly they want out of this deal. And if you give them a piece that can help them, it's pretty good. No problem, here's a first. But now we're looking into next year, right? Well, and that's not the worst thing either.
Starting point is 00:11:49 However, I would see, if I'm Stan Bowman, I am saving next year's first overall pick, or first round pick, because next year at the trade deadline, when I'm in the same position as I'm in this year, I'll do the same thing. And why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? I mean, they can draft. This is a team that drafts fairly well, right? I don't know how they've done in recent years, because all they've really needed to do is get complimentary pieces. Exactly. And that's all that matters.
Starting point is 00:12:18 For the next two, three years, they don't have to worry about that sort of thing. But I don't. I mean, I know they'll probably want to get out from underneath Brian Bickle's contract, but if I'm Stan Bowman, I am snot. I almost said standing pat, and I would have hit myself in the face.
Starting point is 00:12:31 You did say snot. Yeah. Snot. I would snot make a move and give up the first round pick for next year. However, on the Leafs, whatever they want. Take it.
Starting point is 00:12:41 That is true. Like, I don't think the Leafs would mind too much. No. But there's other people, and there's other teams that now are looking at Chicago. and I would think, I mean, San Jose loaded up earlier this week with, obviously, Leaf players.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Chicago makes this move. You got to think that Los Angeles is in there because Marion Gabrick's going to be out for a while. Pittsburgh's got two guys at the Leafs-Hurricanes game. Interesting. Yeah, there are many, many scouts at this game. I think it's a representative from almost every team, but Pittsburgh and Chicago are the two teams with two people there.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Not that that necessarily means anything. Right. It doesn't. But, I mean, to me, when you have two scouts, you're either scouting multiple people or they're there to have a discussion. Right, right. Also, I wanted to ask you, do you think that because Ladd is now gone in Winnipeg,
Starting point is 00:13:31 A, that's going to free up some room for them to go after someone else, but do you think then Dustin Bufflin re-ups with them? He has. Oh, he has. I missed that one. Did that happen while I was at the Grammys? Yes, you know what?
Starting point is 00:13:43 I think it was. Sorry, I completely missed that. No, and he made bank. what was it 7 plus mil damn I completely missed that it is 7.6 I'm embarrassed I'm sorry no no no that's fine
Starting point is 00:13:56 for how big of a deal it was it wasn't that big of a deal yeah it wasn't talked about all that much it was weird the number one takeaway of it wasn't oh the Jets got Bufflin locked up it was oh I guess Ladd's available now because everyone's just trade deadline on the mind
Starting point is 00:14:12 do you guys want to play some trivia screw you for having another job Adam Jesus. Eight more jobs. Yeah, yeah. What's the trivia? How many career playoff games do the Blackhawks have combined on their roster? Oh, just friggin'.
Starting point is 00:14:26 I'm going to say more than, more playoff career games than the Leafs have on their roster in regular season games. Even though it's a load of crap. No, no. Might not be a bet. Dude, Leipzig's on number three tonight. Percy's on, like, what, number 15? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:42 Dude, you're probably right. It might be close. I don't think it is close. and I think the Blackhawks are crushing them in this part of it. Oh, Brad Boyes probably ruins it.
Starting point is 00:14:51 Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Damn Brad Boyes. I'm going to say 850 playoff games. If it is 850 then that's up over the Leafs' current
Starting point is 00:15:00 regular season amount. No, Brad Boyes has Brad Boyes has five or six hundred I think. Or no, that's points. Okay. What's the answer
Starting point is 00:15:09 to this one? What's your guess? 700. They have played a combined $1,345. Wow! I was thinking about saying $1,200, but I was like,
Starting point is 00:15:22 no way. $1,345. Dude! Wow! That actually might be more than the Leafs. Yeah. I don't think there's an actually about it. No, it's 100%. It's gotta be. No, Brad Boyce has played 800 career NHL games. He's still got 500 to go!
Starting point is 00:15:38 Yeah, where else? Where are the 500 coming? Peralto? Komarov? Reimer. Not Komarov. It's only his third season. Damn. The Leafs probably beat them, but not by much.
Starting point is 00:15:48 Not by much. That's crazy. That's nuts. Wow. Crazy. By the way. Must be nice to be a Blackhawks fan. Well, I mean, what did they get?
Starting point is 00:15:58 Nothing. Ever. I've done that rant already. You know what I saw today? So, let's pretend Leo Komarov stays the Leafs' leading scorer. Yeah. And let's pretend he stays a Leaf. This season, at least.
Starting point is 00:16:11 He's got 35 points right now. Conor McDavid, who, as we know, missed most of the season with injury, has 28 points in 24 games. Is Conor McDavid going to have more points than the Leafs' leading scorer by the season's end? He might by the end of the month. Now, we did this prediction last episode with how many points the Leafs would have at the end of the season.
Starting point is 00:16:33 By the way, I think I'm doing pretty well with my 60-point prediction. I don't think they've gotten—have they gotten a point? Well, no, but they've only played one game. Well, and they're tied with Carolina as we record this. So, yeah, I guess you are looking good, man. I mean, that's 10 to 70% right. I still like my prediction of 67. 67 is, oh, that hurts.
Starting point is 00:16:55 I think Connor McDavid absolutely gets it. Absolutely. Yeah, I don't even think it's a question. I mostly posted it as a troll, not going to lie. Yeah. So, this has to make the Blackhawks favorites in the West. If they weren't already? Depends on what Los Angeles does.
Starting point is 00:17:15 It does. Because I think, we're talking complete teams. Chicago and LA, to me, seem like the most complete. Well, they also seem like teams that don't really give a damn about the salary cap. They just kind of have their own. We should also be worried about the Anaheim Ducks, the hottest team in the league right now. Do you know their record from December 25th? Let's hear it.
Starting point is 00:17:35 It's gross, right? 24-2. Woo! those are the way that's the Ducks we know wait 20-4-2 yes
Starting point is 00:17:43 oh okay 24-2 so that's amazing and we did pick them to go to the finals this year we did say I certainly did
Starting point is 00:17:52 yeah so the I also picked the Lightning what would what would the I mean like there have been
Starting point is 00:18:00 rumors with the Leafs and the Ducks they've done deals before but that was with different management groups not that that really matters but you know
Starting point is 00:18:08 do you see them as a team that looks at this and goes this is actually our year because we're hot now and that's what matters LA with their first cup were 7th going into the playoffs
Starting point is 00:18:17 but they were hot but they were hot let's stop beating around the bush with the question how badly does Dave Nones want to give the Ducks first to the Leafs
Starting point is 00:18:24 for Frederick Oche let's talk about that it's going to happen let's talk about it that's not going to happen he's going to have to fist fight Jim Benning oh you know
Starting point is 00:18:35 he's just like there's a big guy with size Here's Thatcher Demko By the Canucks fans I gotta apologize Thatcher Demko I forgot that The Canucks have like
Starting point is 00:18:45 One of the best goalie Prospects out there And a few people Pointed that out But it doesn't matter Because he's gonna get traded For Frederic Gauthier Yeah for sure
Starting point is 00:18:51 And a first And a first Imagine Imagine Dave Dave Dave Nones just calls up Masai Ujiri and goes What's Luis Scola
Starting point is 00:19:00 Going for these days Is there a way That we can interleague He's still got Bargnani Yeah He's still got Bargnani We feel like he's got great potential. Dave,
Starting point is 00:19:08 that's the stupidest thing you've ever heard. $5 million. Yeah, exactly. Pick up most of DeMar DeRozan's max deal next year. By the way, DeMar DeRozan will be making more than a quarter of all Toronto Maple Leafs next season. He'll be making $25 million.
Starting point is 00:19:25 The Leafs salary cap will be about $72 million. That's nice. You just know Tim Gleeson is on the Hurricanes bench right now going, my phone's ringing. It says Dave Nonis What the Why does he want me to
Starting point is 00:19:38 Alright Sorry guys I gotta leave Right back to the Leafs Say right back to the Leafs But the Blackhawks It's funny though Cause like
Starting point is 00:19:45 I've been looking at their lineup And they are obviously sick They are obviously the Blackhawks And their second line I think has usually been Panarin, Kane And Someone else
Starting point is 00:19:55 I can't remember But Ponick? Ponick No no no No? It's been That's what I was gonna say
Starting point is 00:20:02 Taves has been the first line center And it's been between like Saycatch and Ponick They need They actually could use a winger or two So Parenteau would fit? Parenteau would fit Ladd obviously fits
Starting point is 00:20:15 So he takes care of some of that need Parenteau could be a nice little fit for them Even a Brad Boyes wouldn't be bad I just have something to say Oh dear Brad Boyes would be great Parenteau would be great That would be awesome
Starting point is 00:20:27 And we do need to talk about A couple of Toronto Maple Leafs Who are done for the season next when we come back on Sportsnet 590, The Fan, and how, strangely enough, bad news is good in Leafland. Bad news is real good. However, I did want to point out before we go to break that Carolina has scored in the current Toronto Maple Leafs game
Starting point is 00:20:45 that is going on as we record this show. Can anybody tell me who scored the goal? Oh, mother, no way! No way, really? Was it? It was. God! Who was it?
Starting point is 00:21:01 Anybody? Any guesses? Don't make me say it. You're going to have to say it. I did ask a trivia question. Jesse, you can hazard a guess if you'd like. I encourage you to be wrong. It was a goalie goal by Cam Ward. Incorrect.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Damn it. Incorrect. So confident. Steve, do you want to answer the trivia question before we go to break here? Was it John Michael Lyles? It was John Michael Lyles! We'll be right back on Sportsnet 590 The Fan. Former Leaf, John, Michael, Lyle.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Okay, so let's talk about the Toronto Maple Leafs. There's some good news, there's some more good news, and then there's some great news. Oh. And I know that you didn't expect that. We're not going to break any trades, at least not yet. We don't know of any. They're tied, as of the recording of this show, one all with Carolina. Who scored again?
Starting point is 00:21:52 Brad Boyce, that's right. And? Tim Gleeson. Not Tim Gleeson, the other guy who used to play for the Leafs. I mean, technically, Tim Gleeson scored. When you really think about it. When you break it down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Who was it, Steve? It was John Michael Lyle. Stop making me say it! His seventh goal of the season. Oh, really? No, hold up, hold up. Was it his seventh? No, it was Brad Boyes had his seventh.
Starting point is 00:22:15 John Michael Lyle's his sixth. Oh, what a bum. Just saying. Just saying. That's a defenseman. And the Carolina Hurricanes are actually within striking distance of the playoffs all of the sudden. Toronto Maple Leafs Okay let's talk about
Starting point is 00:22:28 Something good That's gonna make you feel good Make you feel good Apparently According to what happened today JVR shows up to practice In a boot So
Starting point is 00:22:36 The foot There was some sort of setback I don't know what the setback Can be when you've broken a foot Maybe fell down some stairs Maybe It's just not healing right Not taking his calcium pills
Starting point is 00:22:48 I don't know I don't know But JVR Is done for the year Okay Also So, and Jesse, do you have the Leafs general manager up? I do.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Okay. Also, Joffrey Lupo. Done. Done for the year. Now, that came out a little bit later today. And really, I mean, Joffrey Lupo's played about four and a half games in the last few years. So, I think... Poor guy.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I think... Unbelievable. Like, really? But there's, you know, they've already been on long-term injury reserve. So the Leafs cap with those two off already remains at They're about $8.09 million Yeah, I was still a little confused as to how that works So basically what happens
Starting point is 00:23:29 We won't talk about it Go to General Fanager or tweet them for how that works It says only $900,000 But that's because Some of the long-term injury relief stuff Is actually on the cap right now But if the Leafs wanted to go up They can go almost $9 million over the cap
Starting point is 00:23:46 Can I just read this tweet by George Resnick? With Joffrey Lupo now down for the season, the Leafs paid him $613,000 per goal in real dollars. Sorry, $613,000 per goal? Yep. What did he get? Six, 12 goals? Something like that?
Starting point is 00:24:06 What is that? He actually didn't do so bad in terms of goals per game. He had a little hot streak. He probably had 10 or 11 goals, and he didn't play much, so that's pretty good. That's alright He had like three assists
Starting point is 00:24:18 Poor guy It's not good news If you weren't going to trade for Joffrey Lupo before You're certainly not going to do it now Like in the summer Even though you have to pay less The guy's having surgery again Again
Starting point is 00:24:34 How Stefan Robidod Robidod is Joffrey Lupo going to be Now You'll have to ask a certain 73-year-old in the Leafs organization that because you gotta wonder
Starting point is 00:24:50 a guy whose play has deteriorated as much as Loopholes has a guy whose health has been so bad His entire career he's had health problems
Starting point is 00:25:03 but there was like a stretch there with the Leafs where he looked really like the guy he always should have been He was an all-star which I mean
Starting point is 00:25:10 Yannick Perrault was too but you know you can have a good year but he was with the Phoenix Coyotes back when they were called the Phoenix Coyotes
Starting point is 00:25:18 nothing in the Phoenix chart today you know I I could see him being Robidod next year in that
Starting point is 00:25:27 he is paid not to play and it doesn't count towards the cap although at what point does the NHL step in and go
Starting point is 00:25:35 ah shenanigans well at what point you could make the same argument does the NHL step in with the Oilers and go
Starting point is 00:25:41 ah shenanigans They should I don't think they should But if If the NHL has a problem With the way they structure the cap The new CBA is up in a couple years So they can figure that one out
Starting point is 00:25:57 But the Leafs are playing to their advantage right now So why not? There's nothing the NHL can do I did have a thought I was going to bring to the show Jesse, do you remember Who was picked first overall In the NBA draft last year? He had like a hyphenated name
Starting point is 00:26:15 Crap I forget his name Well anyway Imagine an NBA team Adam Imagine an NBA team That had John Wall Anthony Davis And Kyrie Irving
Starting point is 00:26:27 And whoever was picked First of all First of all First overall Last year Jesse you got it yet? Anthony Davis Kyrie Irving
Starting point is 00:26:39 John Wall And whoever was picked first of all last year It doesn't matter Imagine that NBA team still sucking That's the Oilers All those players I just mentioned Were picked first overall In the years that the Oilers picked first overall
Starting point is 00:26:54 To be fair Carl Anthony Towns I thought it was Towns To be fair the NBA is a far more individualistic Star driven league You need great players around A guy like LeBron But LeBron can get you to the playoffs
Starting point is 00:27:09 and probably the finals without much else. He did it with Donyell Marshall as his best player. Yeah. In his third year in the NBA. And Shaq was there too for a minute. Sort of. Yeah. He did half his games in a broadcaster suit.
Starting point is 00:27:26 But that's the thing. I didn't really want to get into the Oilers, but this is the way the rules are set up. So, the rules are set up this way. Well, Lou doesn't care. Exactly. And the NHL can't step in. So here's what you have
Starting point is 00:27:40 You've got You could You could sit Lupo You could sit Lupo for sure Now Lupo has to agree If you can convince him Yeah you have to explain to him That his career is over
Starting point is 00:27:48 And he has to sit For the next two years And make ten and a half Eleven million dollars But there's pride For the love of God You know I don't know
Starting point is 00:27:58 It's I would love to know What goes into that conversation I would love to know How you convince a player To just sit there I do too Ask Robita
Starting point is 00:28:07 Are the Leafs really just going to have over $8 million. I think it's going to be $8.25. Let's pretend that actually happens, Adam. Next year, they're going to have $8.25 million dedicated to just players who are like, yeah, I'm done. Potentially more.
Starting point is 00:28:23 You never know what they're going to do. And they could. They could. This team makes so much money that they absolutely could. And that's the thing. As a Leaf fan, that's exciting. Because they can do that stuff. And they are
Starting point is 00:28:39 Leveraging the hell out of it And good for them And what do you care How much money they spend Exactly It doesn't matter to you If you're a Ducks fan You gotta worry about that
Starting point is 00:28:47 If you're a Sens fan You gotta worry about that If the Leafs win the Stanley Cup If the Leafs win the Stanley Cup And this is how they did it People are gonna be like Yeah well they used all their money And Leaf fans are gonna be like
Starting point is 00:28:55 So what On the cup So what Who cares Come at us bro Do you think the Yankees The Penguins won by sucking for a decade Exactly
Starting point is 00:29:03 Exactly And you look at You look at the New York Yankees Right And the obscene amounts of money That they have paid for championships in the past And make no mistake The New York Yankees bought championship teams
Starting point is 00:29:15 They didn't develop championship teams It was Derek Jeter And whoever was the free agent that year Yeah, like it's not even controversial to say People are just like, yeah, we know But ask a Yankees fan and they go, yeah, check out all these championships Yeah, woo I don't care, and I think it's great
Starting point is 00:29:31 Now, here's the great news So we've got good news that those two are going to sit It's good news because A, it'll give their bodies time to heal So JVR comes back next year, and his body has less wear and tear on it than it would have had he played to the end of the season, arguably. In a way, let's pretend he didn't suffer a setback. What's he returning for?
Starting point is 00:29:53 What's he really returning for? Yeah. And if you want to deal him, you're not going to have a problem dealing JVR. And his beautiful contract. Of course. And if you want him to be part of your team going forward, yeah, sure, why not? So you should heal him up So you know
Starting point is 00:30:11 The fact that he suffered a setback To me is kind of semantics Right exactly They just needed to give a reason It's not semantics for him And that's the other thing People thought this was a loose it But no you can't fake surgery for loophole
Starting point is 00:30:26 And you can't fake wearing a boot I mean I suppose you could Yeah I don't think JVR is that kind of guy No exactly But what I like is that there isn't the mileage on his body Right? No, he broke a bone, didn't he? Yeah, but the rest of his body kind of gets to go,
Starting point is 00:30:41 huh, I'm going to get to heal. Yes. And be, because it, just newsflash for everybody that doesn't already know this, professional sports, not good for your body. It hurts. Yeah, so not good overall for your health, strangely enough. Jesus, he's still got bruises from Chara's crosschecks in 2013. Here's the great news, guys.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Jared Cowan and his contract may be this may be the best part of the Dion Phaneuf deal and Brandon Pridham everybody send him
Starting point is 00:31:11 a gift basket. Yes. Everyone. We have talked about this before. He's the one of the Leafs assistant GMs. Kyle Dubaskit's talked a lot talked about a lot
Starting point is 00:31:20 because he's you know at the forefront of analytics. He's young. He's gorgeous. And then there's Mark Hunter you know the guru of all draft picks
Starting point is 00:31:28 and there's Brandon Pridham who I couldn't pick out of a line. I don't even know what he looks like. But he manages the Leafs cap. And he used to work for the NHL. And he knows all kinds of... They kind of market him like a young Lamorello in terms of knowing all kinds of shenanigans you can do.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Please, Adam, read to me the shenaniganery going on with the Jared Cowan deal. Because everyone keeps trying to tell me about it and I don't understand it. First, let me context this. So we know that Jared Cowan was a fairly highly touted defenseman. Enough that the Ottawa Senators
Starting point is 00:31:58 gave him a pretty big contract. He's making $3.1 million a year. Top 10 pick the same year Kadri was picked. Right. And did quite well in the NHL until he had a hip problem, which is now, he's now into his fourth year
Starting point is 00:32:12 with the same hip problem. And hernia surgery. I mean... Hernia surgery. You want an idea of what a hip problem can do to a career? Carl Gunnarsson is, I mean,
Starting point is 00:32:24 people ripped on that trade at the time, including me, the Gunnarsson for Polak trade. He's not the same player. He's not. And that's because he's messed up his hip. Yeah. And it's so much of your movement.
Starting point is 00:32:34 It's so much of your shifting, especially as a defenseman, that's really hard. You know, as Ottawa Senators fans, I think rightly so. We're like, this guy stinks. But it's probably because of injuries, not because he stinks. Yeah. I mean, he was big, so mobility was an issue anyway. And I mean, you know, you take anything out of his mobility, he's done. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Now, there is a, I don't know how this is structured, but because Jared is so young, And this is thanks to Chris Johnson, who finally explained it properly at Sportsnet.ca. Support Chris. He's the best. Could be dealt before Monday's trade deadline because of an unusual quirk that gives any team that bought him out this summer a salary cap credit of $650,000. How does that goofy crap even work? So you're the Leafs, okay? You're the Leafs.
Starting point is 00:33:25 And you have Leafs general manager up? Yep. Okay, so you've got Nathan Horton on long-term injury relief, okay? Oh, I forgot about him! You've got... 5.3 million. So then you've got Stefan Robita, so now you're up to 8.3. Now...
Starting point is 00:33:38 They don't have a salary cap. They literally don't. Now you buy out Jared Callen, okay? Now you buy out Jared Callen this summer. You're up over 9 million, right? Well, close to it. Close to about 9 million. How much money is left on Tim Gleason's deal?
Starting point is 00:33:53 1.8 or 1.3 for the next two years? I think it's 1.3. Jesse's on it 1.8 Wow God That sucks Dave Nones
Starting point is 00:34:05 Dave Nones Sucked He really just sucked It now no longer matters And that's what's so great It no longer matters By 8 million dollars That's how
Starting point is 00:34:15 That's how much That no longer matters And that's so That is one of the I think that is the crown Jewel of that trade Now it might be Tobias Lindholm
Starting point is 00:34:23 He was really He was great when we went And saw him in the Marlies Lindberg Lind something It's okay, there's a Lindholm on the Ducks Does he explain why They get a credit?
Starting point is 00:34:33 No I'm sure he does if you just read No, it doesn't I'm sure he does, no I'm kidding Okay, so, once again That's amazing Judah earned $4.5 million salary In his final year of a back-loaded deal
Starting point is 00:34:48 Since the cost to do so Is only one-third of the remaining value Because Cowan is under the age of 26 a team could get a rare $650,000 cap credit in 2016-17 and assume a cap hit of $750,000 the year after. Oh, so they would get relief next year. And then it would go against them the next year. So you're just delaying things.
Starting point is 00:35:14 So, yeah, but I mean, if you're a team like Chicago or even Pittsburgh. Or Pittsburgh. Who could actually probably use another defenseman, but wow. Interesting. Why is that so dumb? That's dumb. You shouldn't be able to do that. Chris doesn't explain it.
Starting point is 00:35:29 He doesn't explain it. Doesn't explain it. Doesn't explain it at all. Oh. Yeah. So, I'm just saying, that might be the crown jewel right there. So you think, you're leaning more on the side of the Leafs can trade him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:43 And, you know, I guess the thing is, he's got one year left. And what's... He's not going to play on the Leafs. No. What's $700,000 When you've got that much money In injury relief It's nothing
Starting point is 00:35:59 And like if you are the Blackhawks And you are absolutely so crunched So crunched Do you say To yourselves You know what it is $700,000 Out of our cap in two years But how about we just cross that bridge
Starting point is 00:36:15 When we get there Wouldn't you? I would I would I wonder Yeah, you just got to think of all the cap crunch teams And there are a lot Pittsburgh also comes to mind again Pittsburgh comes to mind a lot
Starting point is 00:36:33 They're interesting Because they've been relatively quiet And Jim Rutherford's been all about trying to make that team win Forcing them to win somehow Well, they've been doing a good job recently Except that stinker against the Bruins Well, they finally have a proper coach It's so weird
Starting point is 00:36:49 So we have all these Expiring deals That we think are on their way out the door Potentially Michael Grabner Potentially P.A. No one's even mentioning Michael Grabner No, it's weird Do people not want him?
Starting point is 00:37:04 But he's fast And you need that guy, you need Grabner in the playoffs You need a guy like him Who can play on the fourth line You're totally cool putting Grabner on the fourth line But he'll kill penalties And if you need a guy out there who's just going to whiz by everybody When they're all hurt
Starting point is 00:37:18 Listen to the conversation we're all having How can you possibly think With only Friday, Saturday, and Sunday remaining Before Monday's trade deadline How can you possibly think Nothing is going to happen that day Even with Ladd gone And let's pretend he's the biggest fish available
Starting point is 00:37:34 He's the Antoine Vermette of this year Oh man Last year was so bad I know, I know But how can you say that? You can't There's still so much And that's just the Leafs
Starting point is 00:37:45 It's just the Leafs what if who are the teams not in the playoffs right now Edmonton doesn't really have much they can sell again
Starting point is 00:37:54 again Columbus might be able to sell a couple guys the Leafs certainly oh the Flames have a bunch of guys in the block Vancouver's falling
Starting point is 00:38:04 further and further out of the picture oh I'm sorry did Granlin not help them not yet maybe it's too early oh yeah how dare you
Starting point is 00:38:13 how dare you Minnesota is probably going to try to get back in the picture And they're not that far out Arizona Bodker is a name That keeps coming up
Starting point is 00:38:22 Buffalo Deal guys They already did Bodker Bodker was going to Resign Is that how you say that? Is it Bodker?
Starting point is 00:38:31 Yeah Yeah Bodker Was going to resign there But apparently Last minute the Coyotes Pulled the deal And I don't know what that I read he wants
Starting point is 00:38:39 Like six million bucks Okay That's what I'd pull the deal to Shut up Michael Later Sens are going to go for it They're only four points out Flyers are only five points out
Starting point is 00:38:49 I mean so are the Canadians But LOL Canadians You can't actually think You're gonna Close that gap No Then again they're silly
Starting point is 00:38:58 If I'm the Leafs I definitely let them think that Yep Oh totally And I think I think Bergevin Kind of has to do something Because of that press conference
Starting point is 00:39:06 That he had Where he doubled down on Tarion And he was like You know This is our guy This is our guy He's not
Starting point is 00:39:12 He's not going anywhere I think he has to do Everything he can to support his own point of view. Otherwise, that is stuck directly to him as soon as the season ends. It's on. He made it.
Starting point is 00:39:25 He took it off Tarion and made it about Bergevin. Like, ah. So if I'm Bergevin, I'm going, damn. I got an issue here. I got to deal with this. I'm going to make a trade. He was saying, zut. Zut, exactly.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Zut. En francais. Zut LL. Someone actually tweeted me. Steve, listen to the last show. The way you say Islanders in French is just Islanders and I'm like
Starting point is 00:39:47 I know we didn't actually anyway Habiton the the last thing I want to do before we leave Sportsnet 590
Starting point is 00:39:56 the fan and then you can go to sportsnet.ca to download the rest of the show or subscribe on iTunes if you prefer where I can swear about Jean-Michel Lyles
Starting point is 00:40:03 Jonathan Drouin looks like maybe possibly I mean Iserman came out there's the big fish yeah
Starting point is 00:40:11 we got him right there well and here's the thing about Drouin that scares me. Everybody seems to want Drouin, and there seems to be, what was it, 10 to 15 teams in on him? I heard 20, so... Yeah, so everybody wants the guy.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Why wouldn't you want him? Okay, but what then... First off, the attitude's a little scary to me. The second thing that freaks me out about him is that, what do you then have to give up? Because from what I'm hearing,
Starting point is 00:40:41 I'm not an insider, what I'm hearing you have to give up comparable value which is one of your top prospects so why would you swap top prospect for top prospect you know who's got some prospects to spare and a ton of picks to spare
Starting point is 00:40:56 especially next year and also don't seem to really care about attitude issues the Sabres that's a team that strikes me as a team that makes a lot of sense for Drew Evander Kane and Drew
Starting point is 00:41:11 Oh, I'm sure they'd be great at the bars together. I've spoken to him, and I was like, what a good guy. And then that Tim Horton story comes out. And then there's all the stuff about his dad. I mean, Buffalo is willing to take on some shenanigans, right? That, to me, is a perfect fit. I don't know if they're one of the teams in. I'm just imagining that picture of Tim Murray.
Starting point is 00:41:37 take that picture of Tim Murray and then take the Buffalo Sabres out for beers at the end of season dinner and just have Tim Murray at the head of the table screaming internally I mean just wow but yeah Drouin seems to make the most sense there where else does he make sense
Starting point is 00:41:59 and what do you do you give up a top prospect for him or do you want to give up do you want to Do you want to keep Tampa to players that are playing now and say, listen, Steve, your time to win is coming up. You need a great defenseman. We've got this great defenseman. We've got this great power forward.
Starting point is 00:42:17 We've got something. That, to me, makes a little bit more sense. Dealing top prospects for top prospects, unless you really, really, really believe in him, and I don't know that he's shown at the NHL level that you can quite yet, doesn't mean he won't. He's had 87 games, and he's had 40-something points. Pretty good.
Starting point is 00:42:36 He also hasn't played a hockey game in quite a while. There's that. And also, the Lightning are so crunched against the cap. So you almost have to take on salary with Drouin. Or, like, it's weird. Like, what do you give up other than picks? But if you're the Lightning, you want to add. Because you're going for it, aren't you?
Starting point is 00:42:57 Jared Cowan. Jared Cowan. Drouin. Straight up. Whoa! Let's do it. Grabner. Just saying.
Starting point is 00:43:03 He would fit in quite well with Tampa's style. I don't even know if they could afford him. I don't think they could. Grabner makes $3 million. I think that might be... Well, you could retain on the rest of his salary if you wanted to. And this is the thing. Again, listen to this discussion.
Starting point is 00:43:18 There's so much to be determined still. It's exciting. We have five guys they've got to get rid of before Monday. Do they get rid of them all? Who are the five? Grabner, UFA. Maybe. Parenteau, UFA.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Definitely. Archabello, UFA. No. Brad Boyes, UFA. clued in UFA. Are those the only five? No, come on. Are those really? Well, I'll be.
Starting point is 00:43:42 So Jesse had the general furniture page open. I just want you to know that. And Steve was like, no! You can't read that. You've never been so surprised by something you were like, I'm not reading it. Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. No, I don't trust Jesse. And the lost, forgotten UFA, James Reimer. Should I get you guys?
Starting point is 00:43:58 Oh, yeah. There's another another big one is he gonna be gone and maybe they keep him and find a way to trade Bernier yeah you know what I'm surprised about
Starting point is 00:44:07 you know what I'm surprised about what are you surprised about I am kinda surprised about Dustin Bufflin can I see the Winnipeg Jets page just to make sure
Starting point is 00:44:15 that he's signed I just wanna make sure I mean we did tell him but like he needs to see yeah is there a 10-70% chance that he's signed or is it 100%
Starting point is 00:44:23 are we sure I'm thinking 120 by the way shout out to everybody that listened to last show and said thank god neither of you our accountants.
Starting point is 00:44:32 People are really upset about that math thing. Well, what do they expect? We've been open about the fact that we suck at math. Anyway, we've got to go on SportsNet 590 The Fan, this podcast brought to you by Panago Pizza. It is, after all, what is on the inside that counts. And it should be Panago Pizza that's on the inside.
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Starting point is 00:45:04 Nope. In a few days. That's not. We haven't even got to a couple major developments in the NHL. It's hilarious that we're this far into the show and we still haven't talked about Kovalchuk.
Starting point is 00:45:20 I love it. That's crazy. From what I understand about Ilya Kovalchuk, SKA St. Petersburg, your team My team upset with him Over his dip in performance this year
Starting point is 00:45:36 Although he was still, I think, top 10 in scoring So what? You pay Kovalchuk to be number one And no other option Right, and then they were upset with his performance In the first game of the Gagarin Cup playoffs So they bench him And then they say, by the way, you're not playing in game 3
Starting point is 00:45:52 And you're probably not going to play in game 4 either So he leaves the team Yes, and it's funny The person who broke this news I'll give it a shot Pronouncing your name Ivis Kolnins I believe out of Latvia
Starting point is 00:46:09 Do Russians just name people to make it as hard as possible? No, Russians don't Latvians do Let me one up my neighbor on how hard it is to pronounce my name Oh yes I used to hate when I did the KHL highlights Zemgis Kurslevskis Remember going through the Austrian team
Starting point is 00:46:33 when the Olympics were started? They all sound like We kept pronouncing them like the name of all the dildos from Eurotrip. Bring on the Fliegenhofer! Honestly? This is clearly not the radio portion. I felt like we were
Starting point is 00:46:50 looking at the big book of Swedish names, because it sounds like how Swedish names should sound, but it was more, Swedish names don't sound like that. I'm trying to look for the tweet, I can't find it, but anyway, Ives Kohns, yes, oh, okay, good, he's embedded in the Sportsnet story. I believe
Starting point is 00:47:07 he's a listener of the show. Oh, is he? Tweets all the time. Kovalchuk has told SKA, if he's not on the roster in two days time, he's terminating his contract and heading to North America. Now, I believe him, and I don't blame him, because the ruble, by the way,
Starting point is 00:47:22 has taken a hit that is why i believe it well one it came from elvin's please dm me how the hell to say your name uh but two the ruble sucks and he left for money he sure did however i will say one thing before we get to jesse because i cut him off um you have to understand the khl this is not the first time the league leading scorer or team's best player or captain was healthy scratched. In fact, during the lockout year that I was doing highlights, that happened to Radulov. But Radulov
Starting point is 00:47:59 is crazy. Maybe Kovalchuk's crazy. Okay, maybe. Maybe. According to Ottawa Ghost, he's fucking crazy. Let's get to our first question. Kovalchuk, are you fucking nuts turning down $100 million? That's still my favorite Ottawa Ghost. Is it a usual thing that he has
Starting point is 00:48:17 his own right to terminate his contract As a player I think it's a KHL thing You can make up Whatever the hell you want In Wonderland Yeah you can It's Russia
Starting point is 00:48:25 Fair I'm very merry on birthday To you They can just not pay you They can just not pay you For doing video highlights Yeah legalities in Russia Are
Starting point is 00:48:34 They're legal Excuse me while I have A spoonful of honey That's only funny on video The legal suggestion Is Legals Legalities are merely
Starting point is 00:48:44 A suggestion there It's merely like It would be a good idea Yeah, we'll pay you – I don't know. You plan on dying in the next five months? What's your problem? Russian math is like my math. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:58 No, I'm kidding. I mean, but honestly – No, I think your math is pretty exemplary in comparison. What's interesting about this is there's the geopolitical landscape. Because of the things that Russia did in Ukraine, the sanctions against them worldwide by the UN have done a real number on the ruble. And that was before oil crashed. So now oil is crashing. And the Saudis and all the OPEC nations are saying, well, countries like Canada, you might have to get out of producing oil as an industry because it's that low.
Starting point is 00:49:33 Oh, smokes. Yeah, and Russia, by the way, one of the major producers of oil in the world. So there's that too. So the ruble has fallen that far that Kovalchuk leaving all that money on the table when he did turned out probably to be a quite ruinous financial situation. I don't have the math, but I'm going with probably. $77 million. You could have called that, though, when he walked away from it. So it's interesting that he did.
Starting point is 00:50:00 I mean, what was he expecting, right? What was he expecting? And, I mean, it's not as though anybody could have predicted that the ruble would have fallen this far. But in American history, we hadn't seen a crash like that since the 30s. So chances are it wasn't going to happen again soon. I just Googled it. Okay, so Andre and I, I think this was the year before we did highlights
Starting point is 00:50:23 for the KHL, or it was right before. I think back then We were paid in rubles That He converted to American dollars Or they converted to American dollars or whatever Back then it was 33 rubles to the American dollar
Starting point is 00:50:40 You know what it is right now? 75 And a half Oh Holy smokes I mean the Canadian dollar is taking a dip Sure But the ruble has been bad
Starting point is 00:50:53 That's insane But like I said Before oil bottomed out The ruble was bad So just imagine Oh my goodness Yeah Yeah that's really bad
Starting point is 00:50:59 So can you imagine then All the money Kovalchuk Could have made 77 million dollars Because if the ruble stayed the same He actually That actually would have been a smart deal Totally
Starting point is 00:51:10 He would have made All that money in like four years And then gone back to North America And made new money But whoever gave him that advice Stupid Might have been him For him to come back, the way I've understood it, and I've tried to read up as much as I can, for him to come back, he would either have to sit out an entire season from professional hockey period, or he comes back and gets all the approval every governor in the NHL has to approve him.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Which I have a hard time believing they would do. It's called a voluntary retirement versus, voluntary retirement is pre-35, I believe. Yeah, and people keep talking about, you know, would he have to clear waivers? No, I don't think he would. I don't know the answer to that. I don't think he would either. I have a hard time, though. Like, let's pretend, making up a scenario,
Starting point is 00:52:03 let's pretend the Sharks want to sign Kovalchuk. If I'm the Ducks or the Kings, why would I let them do that? All I have to do is say no, and it is not so. Like, why would I let a divisional rival who's close to me in the standings do that? All I have to do is be a dick and say no. If the Habs want Kovalchuk and I'm the Leafs, all I got to do is go, nope. And you no longer have Kovalchuk. His choice is either everybody approves his reverse retirement papers or he returns in 2018, 2019 as an unrestricted free agent.
Starting point is 00:52:40 So that's two seasons. Why is that two seasons? Jeez. That's when I think the old contract is up. But Kovalchuk said he's going to go to North America According to this tweet Which If he sits out a full calendar year
Starting point is 00:52:52 He can return to the NHL as a UFA As long as he gets consent from the devils I just have a hard time I have a hard time believing the governors would want him to sit out I think Hold on I think Gary Benton pulls those guys into a room And he says listen
Starting point is 00:53:07 I know that this is a divisional rival Whoever team he ends up with Maybe he ends up with New Jersey right? Because he seemed happy there until he left so let's say he has to go to New Jersey and New York has a problem with it if I'm Gary Bettman I go listen
Starting point is 00:53:21 we are trying to sell a game here and this guy is an absolute unmitigated superstar and this is a big story. We need him and we want to send a message to the KHL that we are in fact better and apparently as I was reading today the KHL
Starting point is 00:53:37 players will not be on Team Russia at the World Cup which we're getting to Which we're going to talk about that in a sec too. So imagine that. Imagine that coup. So I think that he does get the approval. Because I think the governors wisen up and go, yeah, true. The least likely team he signs with and for approval, the team most likely to...
Starting point is 00:54:00 Retain his rights. No, no, no. The team most likely that governors would shut down, I think, would be the Kings. Because supposedly they were the runners-up in the Kovalchuk sweepstakes. and people were not happy with how the Mike Richards thing went. But the thing is
Starting point is 00:54:19 from what I understand, if he comes back and they get approval, the rights are still the Devils. So they can trade him, but I don't think he's an unrestricted free agent. That's so weird. I believe it belongs to the Devils. You can correct me on that and hate me for that. But I believe that's what I read.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Also, you've got to be confident you're getting Ilya Kovalchuk back, man. Yeah, because I don't know that you are. I don't know who you are either. So, all that aside, interesting story. I do think, there's no way the NHL governors let him sit out two years. There's just no way. There's absolutely no way.
Starting point is 00:54:51 Never know. I just don't see it. However, only because he's a superstar can they do that. And it hasn't happened yet. But I think that it's bigger. Yeah, it hasn't happened yet. But I think this is a big story that the NHL wants to show its dominance over the KHL. and getting to the fact that KHL players will not be allowed in the World Cup
Starting point is 00:55:12 is another reason why I believe that the NHL wants to do this. The NHL wants to show its dominance. You're the National Hockey League. You are the best in the world. There is a lot of prick-waving, as they say. Hey, non-radio part of the show. One thing Andre always said, Andre Osichenko, who obviously I worked on some KHL stuff with him for many years,
Starting point is 00:55:35 still keep in touch, One thing he said for a long time was SKA St. Petersburg has more money than the Leafs. Now, he never showed me any numbers to back that up. But I believe the company that owns SKA St. Petersburg is Gazprom, which is like the big— Oil company. In Russia. Government-owned, I believe. So they just, here comes the money.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Here we go. Just throw it at whatever you want. So it's like all those big soccer teams where oil companies, just oil kings are selling them. Basically. Running billions. Yeah, it doesn't matter if they make a profit. Although most of them do. When it comes to the KHL and money, what do we know for certain?
Starting point is 00:56:14 It's not about the money. Well, we know shenanigans. Oh, shenanigans for sure. The league doesn't care about making money. But also shenanigans. I would not be surprised. Because remember, this has two days to work itself out. I would not be surprised if the big old duffel bag gets dropped off at his door.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Or if they just go, listen, you take this, now shut up. play score goal I wouldn't be surprised I wouldn't be surprised oh yeah we renegotiate it's fine it's about the hockey maybe he's a hockey player he play hockey yeah exactly I wouldn't be surprised man well I want to talk about the World Cup here yes oh what about it I wanted to could Kovalchuk renounce his Russian citizenship and join team some of Europe uh-huh well he might get to play on some of russia i'm crow indian though team some of oh my god we have two we have three some of north america some of europe now some of russia no it's it's some of under 23 some of
Starting point is 00:57:19 under 23 and stupider yeah right because it's if you're under 23 you can be selected to canada first right neilander can you yeah william neilander can play for team sweden but he doesn't Connor McDavid Connor McDavid No it's not even If he doesn't make it Team Under 23 is only
Starting point is 00:57:35 North America Yeah So Connor McDavid Cannot play for Canada He has to play For team under 23 But Neil Andrew Can play for Sweden
Starting point is 00:57:41 Absolutely Yeah No problem Adam Why? What seems confusing About that? What's wrong about that? This is
Starting point is 00:57:48 By the way The World Cup format Is the easiest format To follow Country Players Country Players
Starting point is 00:57:55 No I don't know That doesn't make sense Oh my god This is just I saw a report I saw a report somebody was like yeah definitely
Starting point is 00:58:04 Canadians are catching World Cup fever I'm like no they're effing not I have not heard from one single person not one person is tweeting
Starting point is 00:58:11 sure can't wait for that World Cup they might they might I mean whenever the hockey season comes around I get excited
Starting point is 00:58:18 yeah and they're doing it smartly because they're putting it right in the middle of training camp there you go there you go I'm sure it'll be fun to watch
Starting point is 00:58:26 but it is team some of Russia For now If Radulov is not playing Then it's not Team Russia Or Kovalchuk Like Russia They're a great hockey country
Starting point is 00:58:37 But I don't know if they have enough NHL players to ice a really good team I don't know either The first few lines will be great Sure But I mean they weren't even They weren't even dominant at the Olympics With the whole team
Starting point is 00:58:50 They're also I don't like how they're coached I just don't think they're coached well And they have been for a very long time anyway what a what a catastrophe well it's only the first 16 players who will only be from the nhl they said they might consider the rest of the roster will be khl players you know what an nhl gm an anonymous nhl gm recently took flack for uh talking about being half pregnant and people were saying that nhl gm is a dumbass correct however how many other nhl executives
Starting point is 00:59:24 think that way all of them like listen to this shit that we're talking about it must be like imagine being an outsider and all of a sudden for whatever reason you become an nhl exec and you think like a normal human being and you go to a governor's meeting that must just be a total mind fuck right like that's got to be crazy um and i i wonder if the leafs now with their brain trust because i truly believe the leafs have the smartest group of hockey minds in the world right now as they effing should they absolutely
Starting point is 00:59:57 should have that I believe they must just go to these jam meetings and laugh and laugh and laugh at the way these
Starting point is 01:00:04 not in front of people but you know later on in the hotel room when you're having a cocktail with Brendan Shanahan and you're going oh my god
Starting point is 01:00:11 did you hear what Jim Benning just said I think part of Brendan Shanahan's charm is he's got such a good poker face yeah
Starting point is 01:00:19 so he can just hear you say the dumbest thing in the world I mean he follows me on Twitter, so. He could just hear you say the dumbest thing in the world and just be like, hmm, okay.
Starting point is 01:00:30 On the surface and inside. He's like the inverse of Tim Murray. Yep. I saw him eating popcorn at the camera shot to him on Tuesday night. He's eating popcorn at the game. Oh, that was such an unfortunate shot. I didn't think so. I was like, he's even got his poker face on while he's eating popcorn. That's true. Sorry, I was on my phone.
Starting point is 01:00:46 I was trying to look up a Ryan Lambert tweet. He posted a quote, an idiotic quote from an NHL exec and he's like this is uh just the latest in a series called literally anybody could be an NHL exec I think that was wasn't that a Jim Benning quote I don't remember well do you want the full world cup quote yeah oh great from who um Alexei Zamnov who's the delegation he's the guy in charge of the Russian team used to be a leaf killer so he told Sportsnet right now we're going to put 16 players from the NHL on the roster for the remaining seven spots we'll discuss maybe some
Starting point is 01:01:25 players from the KHL too right now it's most important for us to make the list of 16 this is very interesting because the Russians don't have a huge North American pool and you really got to look at North America I wonder if guys in the AHL have a shot and I think of two Leafs Renat Valiev on D and Nikita Soshnikov up front and Zaitsev by the way yeah because he won't be in the KHL
Starting point is 01:01:57 now is he under the he's 23 no it doesn't matter that's another insufferable thing about the Leafs by the way they're not going to be in the playoffs and they're going to be talked about all spring all spring because Zaitsev is going to sign I think as
Starting point is 01:02:14 soon as it's after April 30th and his KHL contracts up he can sign And then Vessi And then we get into the Vessi talk And then who else is available in college Who else we got Who else wants to make money Morgan Rielly, we got Morgan Rielly contract talk
Starting point is 01:02:29 How about that, Peter Holland Josh Levo, Garrett Sparks The negotiations have started for Morgan Rielly Nazem Khadri Yeah And if Reimer does not move, that's going to become a big deal Camera's off, just so you know Okay
Starting point is 01:02:44 Well and What's Okay so what's the For Morgan Rielly While we're on it And then we gotta move on quickly Cause we gotta wrap up the show here Of course
Starting point is 01:02:53 Morgan Rielly Do you go along with him? I think that's the Leafs mantra I don't think you go Bridge They went along with Gardner I think Gardner was older Than Rielly
Starting point is 01:03:06 But Gardner was a smart deal In retrospect Turned out to be great Both sides I mean Like I mean That's what the deal should be It should work for both
Starting point is 01:03:14 Right now it's a fair deal Gardner is making about what Gardner should make I think But it could potentially become good and great You know what I mean Like He's good Four million bucks
Starting point is 01:03:31 Doesn't knock my socks off It's just good But it could potentially be very good That's all I'm excited about Riley though If you can get him to a similar deal do we all who thinks Morgan Riley
Starting point is 01:03:46 is not going to be better than Jake Gardner one day oh we know maybe is it's not even an insult to Gardner no Morgan Riley's just
Starting point is 01:03:53 one of those players ridiculous yeah it's going to be very interesting I think they go long I think they try to go five I want to mention
Starting point is 01:04:01 first off skate to great.org obviously text dangle to 41010 not 41010 to dangle as I said last episode oh yeah
Starting point is 01:04:09 I was exhausted you were exhausted I read that tweet and I went what's wrong with that I didn't understand until you just said it now drop all your
Starting point is 01:04:18 used hockey equipment off at one of the 100 donation centers across the country for skate2great.org it is for kids who can't afford to play hockey
Starting point is 01:04:25 by the way hockey is an expensive game so there's a lot of kids that want to play that can't afford it a lot of kids from homes that might live down the street from you
Starting point is 01:04:33 so you know that would really really go to it goes to a great cause it goes to a great place they're great people the other thing I want to mention is Hockey Night in Cinema
Starting point is 01:04:40 at the Mayfair Hockey Night in Cinema you said it like Buddy from Inglourious Bastards and it's going to be in Ottawa and it's going to be
Starting point is 01:04:48 the second time the Leafs play Dion Phaneuf but it will be in Ottawa so it will basically be a Leafs home game anyway but we'll be at a cinema
Starting point is 01:04:56 arrow and I actually had somebody tweet me and say listen I just moved from an apartment across the street
Starting point is 01:05:05 from there to Oshawa oh no because I initially what I thought he said was I just rented an apartment there because I kind of
Starting point is 01:05:12 skimmed on the tweet and I'm like well after party at your house and he was like yeah I would have but I can't so he lives near you
Starting point is 01:05:19 one of the one of the one of the people from Dangle Navy who was at the Marley's game which did we even bring that up we still haven't
Starting point is 01:05:26 talked about that oh my goodness which was incredible one of them was like hey I was the guy who posted on the Facebook group offering people a ride
Starting point is 01:05:34 oh so I mean no and I even told him this I'm like I didn't really want to advertise that because, you know, that's kind of weird, right? It's not weird. If you want to talk to this person.
Starting point is 01:05:47 How is that weird? Okay, you go get in a stranger's car. Well, I own a car, so I'm okay. You see? Hey, man, if I wanted to go. Adam's like, what's the problem? You just speak to the driver and he takes you to where you want to go? He wears a nice hat.
Starting point is 01:06:05 You just tell him where you want to go and he parks in the car park. In the car hold. And then you turn on the telly, you put down the TV box, and you watch a program. A program. Arrow, yes, Arrow. Adam's had a hard life.
Starting point is 01:06:23 Have you watched Carly? So March 12th, Steve's birthday, hockey night in cinema, Mayfair, Ottawa. If you want to be there, be there. And also, we should talk Dangle Navy, Marley's game. For anybody that did come out,
Starting point is 01:06:35 it was amazing. I want to set this up, and then I'm going to let Steve and Jesse to take it, but we walk out of the first intermission. We walk out and we walk out
Starting point is 01:06:47 because Steve had tweeted that, you know, meet us at our section, section 120. And there is at least 40 people there waiting for us. And we didn't get back to our seats until three minutes left in the second period. Yeah, it was so great. We sat down and
Starting point is 01:07:03 then like a couple minutes later the horn went and I went, what? What? What is this? And then there were a bunch after the game. And what was really funny is there was this huge group of kids who just saw me taking pictures with people with a Marley's jersey on. And they all got me to sign their shirts
Starting point is 01:07:22 because they definitely thought I was a player. Oh, yeah. That was at the end of the game. Yes. I felt bad. And their parents were there. I'm like, I'm not a player. Look at me.
Starting point is 01:07:33 Look at me. So they have some random person just sign their jersey and they'll never know who it was. When Steve is on a hockey night in Canada one day, they'll hold back and be like, I have that autograph. Can we talk about Steve's autograph, by the way? Oh, the worst autograph on earth.
Starting point is 01:07:50 Okay, so no one takes longer than Steve Dangle to sign something. Because I don't practice my autograph because I'm not conceited. I don't know. I don't think I've ever practiced my autograph. Oh, you want to grow some corn while Steve signs something?
Starting point is 01:08:01 You got enough time. I believe ancient Mesopotamia. What is that where you went with that? Ancient Mesopotamia was founded and fell in the time it took Steve to write his signature. I'm going on my phone. The internet's not mean to me. Oh, shit. And by the way, when Steve does finish his signature, it does look like a four-year-old.
Starting point is 01:08:18 It's not even good. It's not even like he took all of that time to make this great signature. It's shit. It got a shitty signature. I also find it nice that you put dangle in quotes as though people wouldn't know if you didn't put quotes in there. Man, I don't know how to do it. Well, and then you get Jesse, who's, it just looks like a butterfly. It's JB.
Starting point is 01:08:39 He basically took Justin Bieber's, like, thing. It's J, it's like a cursive J, cursive B, and then he puts, like, a little squiggle in the middle, and I go, what's that? And you go, it's the rest of my name. I don't know, it's fucking not. And then Adam has the great professional signature. Well, it's because my A, you just, you know how you make a star on a paper? That's how you make an A. So, because I'm a star, so it's like an A, because I'm an effing superstar.
Starting point is 01:09:02 You're Cardinal official. Basically. Watch me do it. Watch me do it. Watch me do it. Baby, I'm a star. So if you ever want to kill five hours, ask Steve to sign something. Yeah, but if you want it done in a timely fashion, Jesse and I are good, safe bets.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Although we're no Steve Dangle. Well, if you want, I'll come up with a new one. I can't wait, by the way, for everybody to tweet their Steve Dangle autographs at us. Just so everybody can see it. And post it on Reddit, too, if you don't mind. That's how many years you grew in between you not getting the Oscar and when it was done. What grade are your kids in now? I was just trying to be nice.
Starting point is 01:09:43 People ask me to sign a thing and I'm honored and flattered and I just signed it for them. And then you make fun of me because it's shit, apparently. My car lease is up. Listen, I am sorry for burdening you all with my kindness. What takes longer? A Game of Monopoly or Steve's Signature I mean seriously Or how about an episode of Game of Thrones
Starting point is 01:10:05 How about the Game of Thrones intro Game of Thrones intro or Steve's Signature I would actually give it To the Game of Thrones intro But just barely One wiener next to another wiener Wiener, wiener, wiener Do you guys want a headline?
Starting point is 01:10:22 Yeah we do And we actually have a new feature on the show that we're starting today. If this is the one you message me on Facebook, I'm going to come across this board and fuck you up. And it's the best feature ever. Is it a guessing game? It's the best feature ever.
Starting point is 01:10:36 It's kind of a guessing game, but let's start with the NHL headline. If it's the one you said, I'm not doing it. I am boycotting my own show. I will fucking walk out of that. This is from Random Action on Reddit. John Hines, former head coach of Scranton-Wilkes-Barre Penguins. Current New Jersey Devils head coach.
Starting point is 01:10:53 Current head coach of the New Jersey Devils. is in Pittsburgh to play against the Penguins. John Skrein? John Hines. John Hines. Why don't I get Skrein? What's the headline? Skrein.
Starting point is 01:11:03 Oh. Sorry. So he's the former Penguins minor league coach. He's it. AHL coach. And now he's coaching the Devils. And he's in Pittsburgh to play against the Penguins. And what's his name?
Starting point is 01:11:15 John Hines? John Hines. Catching up. Hold on. Hines 57. Hines is from Pittsburgh. Hines the... There's Hines lofts.
Starting point is 01:11:24 The Hines family owns the Steelers Well no they don't own the Steelers They own the naming rights to the stadium Isn't Joe Biden married to the heiress Of Hines And he's from Scranton I thought you would know this Adam I don't know
Starting point is 01:11:41 By the way I know who owns the Steelers Don't tweet me it's the Roonies The office was filmed in Scranton Is that a hint? I don't know Maybe it's not. Damn, Jesse. Did you understand catching up, by the way?
Starting point is 01:12:01 Did you know what you were saying? Yeah, catching up. Did you know the Pittsburgh connection to ketchup, though? No. It just works even better. Yeah. Well, apparently it's office. Maybe Heinz site?
Starting point is 01:12:15 2020? But now he's saying ketchup, though. Or now he's saying office. Fuck. Fuck it. Catching up is what I say. What's his name again? John?
Starting point is 01:12:26 John Hines. I'm going to go with hindsight. I'm going to go with parkour. Parkour, parkour. What is it? What's your final guess, Steve? Catching up. They went with Hines ketchup.
Starting point is 01:12:40 No! Hines's ketchup. Where is this from? It's like an old headline he took a screen cap of. Thank you, Random Action. Man, I miss the NHL.com. How much fun is headlines? You know what?
Starting point is 01:12:55 When they fix the atrocity that is NHL.com, we'll probably get them back. I don't know, man. No one's happy with this. No, man. Literally no one. We don't want advanced stats, and we don't want fancy headlines, Steve. Gary Bettman knows us. He knows us.
Starting point is 01:13:08 Down Goes Brown made fun of him. By the way, Down Goes Brown tweets a couple times a week. Or tweets. Writes a couple times a week for Sportsnet now. Amazing. One of the better writers out there. Nice little coup. Probably one of the best.
Starting point is 01:13:20 Oh, yeah. Just saying. Love him. He's pretty good. Jesse? So, how do we play this game? This game is much like NHL headlines. What is this fucking game?
Starting point is 01:13:28 This game... Can you please frame this? So, I found out today that Jesse follows every NHL team on Instagram. No, no, no. God damn it, no. We're not doing this. We are not looking at other teams. Don't put this evil on me, Jesse Blake.
Starting point is 01:13:43 Don't you put this evil on me. I found this out because Jesse sent us a screen cap of the Buffalo Sabres Instagram account, Which says the Buffalo Sabres, with the trade, now have 20 draft picks over the next two years. Just like the Leafs do. The Leafs have 12 this year, 8 next year. Sabres, I don't care. But you got 20 and 20. And so, and I said, you follow every team, including the Flyers?
Starting point is 01:14:07 He's like, yeah. And then he sends us a picture of a Washington Capitals in-game promotion. Which is a little, I believe, was it a bobblehead? A little Holt Beast doll. A little Holt Beast doll So there's a beast wearing Holt Beast's jersey And it's a doll And they give that out
Starting point is 01:14:25 And I said oh you know what would be fun NHL in game promotion of the day And Steve hates this idea I'm just not How do I set up the guessing game By abandoning it and doing something else I think you give a couple hints And then we have to kind of
Starting point is 01:14:43 We kind of have to guess We are not doing this every fucking show. You have got to be kidding me. No way are we doing this. What actual problem is this? What do you have against this? This is good.
Starting point is 01:14:58 This is a good idea. Why is this a bad idea? You know what's going to take less time than the stupid-ass ideas? My autograph. All right, all right. So, the LA Kings. No.
Starting point is 01:15:12 On February 27th. They're running a little promotion. God damn it, stop. What is it? On what day? On February 27th, the day it doesn't really matter. It's called Rock the Lights in an Evolved Experience. What do you think this experience entails?
Starting point is 01:15:27 A pile of shit with Christmas lights on it. I think they're going to get little wristbands, and they're going to do a light show with the wristbands, like a Coldplay concert. Okay. Or like Taylor Swift at the beginning of the Grammys. Steve, what's your guess? Glow sticks.
Starting point is 01:15:41 Who gives a shit? What do you have against this? Why do you not like this? I don't understand. Some of them are so great And some of them are so stupid They're so kitsy At least there's one thing I know
Starting point is 01:15:57 Listen, we're three scouts right now Two of you are raving about this young prospect I gotta tell ya I'm not as optimistic about the kid But if you two think it's so great I'll go along with it I think people will agree with us Shitting motherfucking
Starting point is 01:16:12 Glow sticks hate you Steve is that what you're I'm thinking it's the wristband what is the rock the lights
Starting point is 01:16:21 experience it's a god damn close to so when the kings play the sabers you'll get an exclusive
Starting point is 01:16:28 opportunity to play with the lights in the stadium so you'll download the ripples app onto your phone before you get
Starting point is 01:16:35 to the game and then you get to play with the lights what yeah like a person actually in the like everybody
Starting point is 01:16:41 who has the app will get to do something with the lights no they won't Yeah, that's what it says. 20,000 people get to play with the lights. How is that going to work? You get to direct the lights
Starting point is 01:16:52 in the stadium. That's not going to result in a fire for sure. I don't know what you're going to do. Or they're lying to you and you straight up don't get it and they'll just shut the lights out and turn on a bunch of them weirdly and go, look what you're doing, guys. Like a three-year-old, but it's like, where are you?
Starting point is 01:17:07 I'm going to go with what Adam just said. This in-game promotion is like a three-year-old playing peek-a-boo. And when you cover your eyes and go where did I go Yeah when really you know You can fucking crush that three year old at peekaboo But you're letting them win a little bit I like this game
Starting point is 01:17:22 But really if you tried you know you would just ruin their soul See you know what Steve you know what we're doing We're breaking down and we're analyzing this promotion You know what And it's I gotta be honest with you I think it's pretty stupid I gotta admit I did not know they were going with that But
Starting point is 01:17:39 Because anybody that is daft enough to believe that they're gonna give you control of the lights in an NHL arena. Come on. Come the hell on. Unless it's one person. They don't even want to give fans control of the vote. Yeah, exactly. They won't even let you pick a player.
Starting point is 01:17:55 Jesse is crying. He's coming undone. I've never seen Jesse laugh this hard. It's kind of funny. Wow, he's actually, they're serious. NHL in-game promotion. I'm telling you, it's the new thing.
Starting point is 01:18:12 You know what, Jesse? This is a real shitty idea, but you impressed me with the first one. Congratulations. Well, there you go! Congratulations, you asshole. Because I knew Jesse could pull it off. Cry! I knew Jesse could pull it off.
Starting point is 01:18:24 See? See? I'm not all that bad, huh? Oh, cool, the Blackhawks scored. Oh, they're showing a highlight pack. Hey, hey, hey. A little cred, please. Not all that bad.
Starting point is 01:18:34 Props to Jesse. Tweet your support to Jesse and Steve and I. Tell us that you're for it. And if you're against it... And send us your promotions. Send us your promotion Do not include me and Steve on it though Send Jesse the promotions
Starting point is 01:18:45 You know what, can I throw this idea out there to make this better Minor league and junior promotions Are probably way better Or even better Bonus marks if you can find a good KHL one And translate it Good luck You come game, you get to keep Doug
Starting point is 01:19:03 But it has to be the week of The same week of the podcast You can't send us one from last year If you do see something that's funky or your team is doing something weird, totally send it to at jesseblake on Twitter. By the way, if you're not following Jesse, you should be.
Starting point is 01:19:17 Not only does he take the coolest Instagram pictures ever, he's also the raddest dude. Yeah, if you want to see a guy throw up the deuces and not smile in pictures. That's true. Jesse. You smiled in a few pictures. I was like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:19:31 Yeah, what happened? He'll never smile in a picture with the two of us. But sometimes when he's by himself or caught off guard, you'll see the Jesse smile. It's a great smile. I think it's because we genuinely make him unhappy. Well, wouldn't you be unhappy working with us? Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:19:45 I'd be miserable. I mean, listen to me the last five minutes. I hate you guys. Not even just that. Not even just that. But like the amount, like we're all over the place, you and I. We're both fly by the seat of our pants, people. And then that leads a producer to like wrangle us in.
Starting point is 01:20:02 Yeah. Just in real life. Adam, you're an energy drink. I'm frigging meth. That's true. Okay. Fair. Fair.
Starting point is 01:20:10 Let's party! Hey, should we do the press conference? Oh, my God, we haven't even done that? The Presser S.D.P. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. This is Steve Dangle. And I'm Adam Wilde. Gillette's best blades can save you up to 50%
Starting point is 01:20:27 versus the other shave club's $9 per month plan. That's right, Steve. Close, comfortable, smooth, and up to 50% off versus the other shave club. Sounds pretty smooth to me. Get it? No. What?
Starting point is 01:20:40 I mean, I get it, but it's Adam. Seriously, that was pretty good. Join today at GilletteShaveClub.ca. Adam. What? I think that was pretty solid. That wasn't even in the script, man. I know that.
Starting point is 01:20:53 Our first question is a video question, which Adam should bring up any moment right now. Oh, here we go. Let's put a face to it. Listen, you assholes. Did you send this? Okay, I sent it on Facebook. It's one of our main Reddit users. And I'm going to try to get it up to the camera as well.
Starting point is 01:21:07 Hey, Steven Adam, you big dumb idiot The camera is not recording Oh, the camera is not recording? No, it is not The battery is dead So here it comes Ahoy, Dangle Navy This is Fretzoff from Reddit and from Twitter
Starting point is 01:21:22 I have a press conference question for the Steve Dangle Podcast Ahoy But first, I'm going to have a little snack If you don't mind He's eating a pepper That's vile Yeah, chopper! Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:42 Is your question, why would I do this to myself? So, which minor league call-up has been the most pleasant surprise for the Leafs and, let's say, for the rest of the league? First of all, you're disgusting. Second of all, I like you, man. You're my favorite. We can be best friends. No, you're gross. He probably likes the promotions
Starting point is 01:22:07 I'm just saying He probably likes the in-house promotions Yeah, bell pepper night Next Marley's game promotion Bell pepper night Can you imagine If a bunch of our listeners Get kicked out
Starting point is 01:22:19 Because they have Fucking stupid bell peppers And they throw them on the ice After a goal Oh my god Don't throw that shit Into the internet Willy nilly
Starting point is 01:22:32 And there was enough people At the last game To like make an impact We don't want to get our listeners banned, though. But let's just say, if we had another Discount Marley's Night from a Dangle coupon... They gave us a promo code, Jesse! And we all went to the game, and we had bell peppers. I hope to hell MLSC does not hear this.
Starting point is 01:22:52 And Nylander had a hat trick. But Jesse is kidding. And we all threw bell peppers on the ice. Mr. Shanahan, Jesse's kidding. When he scores. Yeah, and Nylander is definitely allergic to bell peppers, and you put him in the hospital. It'd be a cool thing if that would happen. I hate you.
Starting point is 01:23:08 I hate you so much, Jesse. I love you, Jesse. I love you so much. But he is kidding. Back to your dumbass, disgusting question, you disgusting gross pepper eater. I'm going to go with Josh Levo because he was playing good before he was even producing. And he scored tonight. The Leve dog.
Starting point is 01:23:29 As I looked up and saw. He scored tonight, so I believe that gives him four goals in his last four games that he's played. Because he's played a game, scored, played a game, scored, got injured, came back, played a game, scored, played a game, scored. The guy who impressed me the most when I watched the Marlies, and he has been called up, but hasn't shown all that much, Brendan Leipzig. Like, didn't he look sick, Adam? He looked incredible. Adam was raving about him the whole game. I loved watching him, and I loved watching him because he very clearly is too good to be there.
Starting point is 01:24:08 I don't know about too good, but I thought the way he was sold, and as Point Total suggests, he's a muck around, middle of the lineup, Brendan Gallagher-ish, but with less of a scoring touch type of guy. You go and watch him play He's a fantastic skater And he drives and controls the play He's the guy carrying it in The guy that impressed me the most Since we're on that subject
Starting point is 01:24:38 He did not get called up But I want to bring him up anyway The goal that impressed me the most Was the Leipzig goal But it was the setup before the goal If you go back to the Marlies game that we watched Connor Brown is at the Marlies blue line And he gets crushed
Starting point is 01:24:54 But what he does do Is he intelligently knows Because he's got his head up And because he's positioned properly To bounce the puck off the glass That puck then goes I believe to Nylander I don't remember
Starting point is 01:25:11 Or was it It doesn't matter It goes to one of the Marlies Who then gets it to Leipzig And it's in the back of the net You gotta see it to know what I was talking about But it was one of the smarter plays I've ever seen And yeah, Leipzig gets credit for a beautiful goal
Starting point is 01:25:27 Because it was his second goal But Connor Brown Was never Never out of position And always Did he have an all-star game? No But that goal doesn't happen without Connor Brown He didn't get hit, he took a hit
Starting point is 01:25:42 There is a difference Out in the rest of the league Gotta be Pasternak Or Pasternak, however the hell you say it in Boston He's found money for them If they go into the playoffs You see his two goals from the other night. The penalty shot, diving across, friggin' like Bobby Orr.
Starting point is 01:26:00 Like, Bobby Orr! It's got to be him, right? I think so. I think it's got to be him. I know I'm forgetting someone because it's a 30-team league, but whatever. What do the Edmonton Oilers do if they land the first overall pick again this year? Tell themselves we're on the right track again. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:26:19 I don't know. You know what they do? Waste a generation of talent. I'm getting a little annoyed I'm not going to lie I'm getting a little annoyed Do you trade Hopkins? Do you trade Dreisaitl?
Starting point is 01:26:32 Isn't McClellan making it sound like it? I bet Yak goes first Why? Does Yak get moved at the deadline? He was playing really well with Pouliot Was it Pouliot? Not Pouliot
Starting point is 01:26:43 Pouliot and McDavid McDavid, yeah I actually I don't trade him I trade the guy with value Who's that? Taylor Hall But he's your best offensive player
Starting point is 01:26:55 Yeah I was going to say he's the best one So what You can turn him into Something else No I don't think anyone can afford Hall Okay Not just the cap hit But like
Starting point is 01:27:03 I mean Jesus Lord Look what they got for Andrew Ladd Yeah You're right If Andrew Ladd is worth that Hall's worth at least three firsts Like come on Yeah but
Starting point is 01:27:12 I'm thinking if I'm the Oilers I want players that can play now I want a young stud defenseman Not everyone wants to give that up not everybody has an offensive weapon like he is, though. I don't know about teams. I don't know how many teams out there with two young stud defensemen there are.
Starting point is 01:27:30 The Leafs certainly have two. Well, no. I don't take that. Here's a bounce-off question. I don't think you can possibly get fair value. No, I'm not saying Riley. I'm not saying Riley. I'm just saying I don't think you can possibly get fair value for Hall.
Starting point is 01:27:44 No, I agree. But I also think that Hall's had his... I mean, he's not the one to blame, but I mean when Todd McClellan goes to the press and says what he said the other day about you know having it wasn't pride but he said
Starting point is 01:28:00 we need 10 guys in there that actually have enough pride to carry the rest of the guys and clearly they don't have that very interesting very interesting here's a question from Chief Keith what are the chances the Leafs take a flyer
Starting point is 01:28:16 on Justin Schultz Not good Poor Justin Schultz The thing I was reading the other day Supposedly when the loophole trade happened The Leafs made a hard Hard push for Justin Schultz Instead of Gardner
Starting point is 01:28:32 Dodge that bullet like Neo Holy smokes I don't understand What the benefit would be for the Leafs He's not a good defenseman But he's only like 22, right? You got a better version.
Starting point is 01:28:54 Oilers fans, help me out, or anyone who knows both teams well enough. Is Schultz just a younger, more expensive TJ Brennan? Huh. Kind of what it sounds like. Schultz is 25. I mean, you're starting to get into not young territory, at least for a professional hockey player, you know what I mean? And he should be better than he is.
Starting point is 01:29:14 he's got some offensive upside but he doesn't know what the hell to do in his own end like i mean people keep saying why hasn't brendan been called up i mean i watched him i mean granted it was one game but you see holy smokes he's got it like across the center ice line holy smokes he's got it in his own end he was the least steady of the guys i watched not saying he was terrible you know and and anyway i'm criticizing the ahl's leading score But you know what I mean? I don't understand what the benefit would be for the Leafs. And it's not like the Oilers desperately need the Leafs to take them.
Starting point is 01:29:49 And it's not like the Leafs desperately need them. They don't really need it. They don't. You're stock Edmonton, sorry. And what's been interesting, too, is the development of Martin Marincin. Who people keep criticizing. But when you look at his stats, Steve, what did you say about Martin Marincin? And you said it in the last episode.
Starting point is 01:30:07 He was from, I think his name is Matt Henderson, and I finally gave him credit on Twitter today because he's the one who I saw tweet this. He is the 2016 shutdown defenseman. Cannot put up points, but he's a shot-suppressing machine. So what does that mean? Layman's term. He's got good position numbers. And granted, he'll have giveaways.
Starting point is 01:30:29 Every player does, though. Some bad ones. And every player does. He's not going to put up a whole lot of points. But if you need a guy, if you need a cheap option, he's not a great option. But he is a cheap option, a young cheap option. He can suppress shots. He is to 2016 what Brian Marchment was to, like, 2001.
Starting point is 01:30:48 So he's a 5'6 guy? Yes. But can he play in the NHL? Yes. Can he play on a winning team in the NHL? Potentially. Okay. Right?
Starting point is 01:30:57 Then that's fine. That's all you need from Art Marincin because you got him for nothing. Blackhawks, I mean, that's a guy, if I was a Blackhawks, I'd look into. But he needs a new contract and yada, yada, yada. And then you've got Stuart Percy, who is another sort of player like that. And the interesting thing that you said... More offensive upside, for sure.
Starting point is 01:31:15 Sure, for sure. But what you said at the Marlies game, which I thought was interesting, is you never hear Percy's name come up. You don't notice him. I've been watching him for over half a decade, and he's lovely and boring. I love how boring he is,
Starting point is 01:31:31 except on the power play when he's a quarterback. you know he's I like him steady nice and steady so going into next year as it stands now this is impossible
Starting point is 01:31:40 to really predict because Hunwick could go too but you've got Hunwick Riley Winnick you've got no I'm talking defense here though oh sorry
Starting point is 01:31:47 so you've got Hunwick Riley you've got Percy Gardner yeah potentially or you put Percy with Riley because Hunwick and Riley you can look up the stats
Starting point is 01:31:57 have not done all that well together no but if you put two possession guys like Percy and Gardner together That could be pretty lethal. I don't know how good Percy's possession is. I don't know what the AHL stats are.
Starting point is 01:32:08 Right. Like, Dubas the other day told me in an interview that Hyman was one of the best, if not the best, possession guys on the Marlies. There you go. And I was like, what? Okay. Who knew? And I assume he knows that. I don't know why he would lie.
Starting point is 01:32:22 You know what I mean? And then I asked Keefe, you know, ten minutes later, who wasn't even in the same room as Dubas, and he basically reiterated, yeah, we love Hyman. We love Zach Hyman, so. Yeah, sorry. You were saying something, Adam. You were saying Riley, Hunwick, Gardner, Percy, Marincin. Marincin, Luz? Harrington?
Starting point is 01:32:45 Oh, Corrado. Corrado and Harrington. Oh, Harrington. And Harrington, who did play pretty well. He was all right, and he was hurt almost the whole season. So you've got Corrado. You've got three bona fides right there, right? You've got Corrado.
Starting point is 01:32:59 Corrado's possession is fantastic, by the way. Yeah. And he doesn't look out of place. He looks great. He looks really great with the Leafs. You know how I know Corrado's numbers? There is a new website out there. Oh?
Starting point is 01:33:09 Manny Elk put it out there. It's because War on Ice went kaput. And that was kind of the advanced website out there. Why did that happen? I'm not sure. And a lot of people loved War on Ice. I found it hard to read sometimes, but I did love the site. I found it really hard to use.
Starting point is 01:33:25 Corsica is the new site. I think it's corsica.ca or corsica.com. Manny Elk. I think it is. No, but Gus, who was on the podcast. Katsaros. Katsaros, yes. Who obviously we follow.
Starting point is 01:33:38 I'm sorry, his last name just totally slipped my mind. He was tweeting about that today. Yeah, it's a good site. It's a little, I found it a little easier to use. I liked it. But yeah, if you're interested in all that, Corsica, it's in the beginning stages. How do you spell this? Corsi?
Starting point is 01:33:56 C-A. Corsi C-A. Yeah. C-O-R-S-I-C-A Yeah, dots. I think calm doesn't send a note. Okay. Just Google.
Starting point is 01:34:08 Okay. Listen, when you get this far into the podcast, you know what to expect. Okay, so what I'm trying to get to here, which I kind of want to sum up here, though, is that you don't need a guy like, you don't need a Justin Schultz kind of guy because you kind of have better options, right?
Starting point is 01:34:27 the Leafs do have better options oh it's Corsica dot hockey cool which I didn't know was a thing at all
Starting point is 01:34:35 and you get there and it looks like a dial pad and if you scroll over each circle it takes you to a different page it's a cool site would you guys like to hear the comments after that question
Starting point is 01:34:46 were as an Oilers fan we'd pay you to have him how many years does Schultz have left? he's an RFA after this season Another comment was Ironically I would much rather have Martin Marincin
Starting point is 01:35:01 Another comment was Jake Gardner and Justin Schultz On the same pairing Would be like having two Eric Collisons With a broken leg With broken legs No That's a terrible comparison sir
Starting point is 01:35:18 Or madam And final question As displayed in Steve's recent LFR For the Nashville game How has Steve made it this far in life Without knowing how to properly roll up a rim I Listen
Starting point is 01:35:32 I had to roll it up quickly So I used my teeth I know how to do it I'm a grown ass man Gwe Leave me alone That's it That's right
Starting point is 01:35:43 G-A-P-S-H-E-R-O-Y You don't roll up with your teeth or you do? I rolled up with my teeth in the most recent video Oh So I could do it quickly I usually do it with my fingers Because that's how adults do it And also, I like to think of the Tim's employees I'm going to be handing the cup to.
Starting point is 01:35:58 They don't want my... How many gross things did they get? I was just checking. Sorry, I missed that. I'm just checking to see if any other trades have broken. Nothing's broken. You know what? A deal like Andrew Ladd's, I think, maybe sets up the trade deadline a little better.
Starting point is 01:36:15 Because the big fish is gone. Now you can watch the school of little fish. Steve, I think you also have to defend your stance on 2Ds and 1-4. Oh, shut up. Can Steve stop hating on 2D and 1-4? No, I can't. Let's not. No, I keep claiming that's a stupid setup.
Starting point is 01:36:34 Let's go home. But some of the best 3-on-3 teams in the league use it. Shut up. Okay, so we're going to go now before we get angry. And we are going to go. We will be back next week. and we will have all the trade deadline stuff to talk about and all the setup for the end of the season to talk about.
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