The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Jan 17, 2017 - Pavy and the Jets

Episode Date: January 17, 2017

On this episode, the guys talk about the growing Leafs-Sabres rivalry, Paul Maurice and the Jets, and Shane Doan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. I want to alert you to a situation that occurred as we were driving here today. Oh my goodness. You see, in downtown Toronto, if you drive in a way that is deemed unacceptable to a person around you, They leap up on the soapbox And let you know Through a long

Long and hearty Horn honk Toronto they really do love the horn It's not a suburban thing The thing is that the problem in downtown Toronto Is that when you are driving you do get a lot of suburbanites Down here who are not used To driving in the downtown core

And are a little bit out to lunch So sometimes you just give them like Hey just wake up One more time like a little road runner like just hey I just want to let you know we're here I'm right behind you need you to signal that's cool right maybe don't text

your mom right now or ever while you're driving how about that that'd be great but on the way here today I signaled that I was going into the left lane driving up Jarvis street or as Adam calls it his left lane yes well it's the lane with my name on it

and there was nobody in my rear view. There was nobody really in my blind spot. So I go over and all of a sudden you hear, So that's not the polite one. No, that's the angry one. And that is because

there was a jet black Audi of which there are 50,000 I think in the downtown core of Toronto. I think every person who makes six figures owns a jet black Audi in Toronto. I don't know what it is. No, I do know what it is. It's the car Michael drives in GTA 5.

That's what it is. That's why. So it's Michael that put this together. Absolutely. And that would explain the reckless driving. Right. Right. Well, that does make sense.

Well, this guy wanted to go up the left lane faster than I did. However, there's a speed limit, and we were already over it. And we'll call him Michael. We'll call him quote Michael. Sure. Quote Michael was really not happy about that. And I said to Steve, Jesse, I was like, Steve, watch this. He's going to pull up from behind me, get into the right lane,

and he's going to pull up next to us and give us the finger. Get ready. Get ready. Here he comes. What's the next thing he did, Steve? Skrt. Pulls up next to us.

Middle finger. And so as I'm driving, and of course, I went back into the right lane because I have to take a right to get into Rogers where we record the show. And he tried to pull up right beside us again

and give us a finger. So I just kind of, I took my right and waved to him. And you could tell he was pretty mad. We just didn't want to go his speed, and he was upset. I was very entertained. Because sometimes you can reciprocate the rage. You can roll down your window, yell a nasty thing at them,

or give them the middle finger yourself. Adam didn't do that. He waved at them. Like, hey there, friend. Hey. And Steve told me he's got the best one. If anybody ever bugs you. Well, my favorite passive-aggressive thing to do

when someone's being an idiot on the road. So I have to drive with glasses. So what I do if I'm next to a metal light is I take my glasses off and I hand them out the window. I think you need these more than I do. Here you go. Here you go.

That feels like so much effort. No. No, it's not. Here, look. There you go. I just took them off and handed them out the window. The first stranger

you're never going to see again? Yes, but I'm petty. I'm petty and it gives me joy. Yeah. There is a joyous, petty moment. Afterwards, you feel a little ashamed.

But in the moment, you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I do a little. I'm like, I'm better than this. I would feel ashamed if I yelled

because that's untoward how dare I I'm merely offering my glasses I took a left hand turn onto Queen Street in Toronto which is another busy street which is hampered by the fact that everybody parks on the street here so it's two lanes down to one each way

and so I can't see beyond the parked car and there's no light it's one of those streets that has no light and you just gotta gut it and hope that no one's coming your way and so I popped my car a little bit it's not a safe way to drive It's not a safe thing that, no, but you kind of have to do it.

So I pop my accelerator just a little bit to kind of pop out to see what was going on. And lo and behold, person that I cannot see because there's a gigantic SUV in front of her is driving towards me, slams on the brakes. And she'd have been fine if she just kept going because I had already come to a full stop. But her just seeing any movement, and then here's the scary part. She starts turning her car into me. I'm like, what? Oh, she just completely panicked. Well, yeah.

No. And then she puts her four ways on, gets out of her car and starts screaming at me. Like I rolled down my window and I don't know why I did. Oh, no, no, no. That's not how driving works. Never roll down your window. Never do that. But she came up to me.

She, you almost killed me. And I was like, I said, ma'am, I, you would have been fine if you kept going. No, you need to be taken off the road. And I said, you, ma'am, I hate to tell you this, but you are halfway between two lanes right now and she's like go F yourself and I said

have a good day it's good that she restrained herself and only said F yeah that's true she could have said the full word but she didn't

that's a very polite road rage I thought so anyway I thought that was hilarious she was mad at me and stopped traffic to be mad at me

got out of her car in the middle of the street you know what we used to get all the time is people tweeting us so at blank point in the podcast the hockey talk starts

oh right yeah what do we have about five minutes in Well, I wonder, do we start with hockey or do we start with football? Oh, dear. Now, okay, you ever... Do we start with football?

Or should we start with the Buffalo Sabres and the Toronto A-Blicks? No, no, no, we should do hockey. Yeah, let's do hockey. I don't think the football thing is that serious after you found out what the actual... Yeah. But I got something else. I got something else football related. Okay, that'll be interesting.

You ever schedule an argument? Yes. Like you hold off and you go, no, we're going to have our argument tomorrow. With Caprice all the time. Yeah, we're going to have our argument tomorrow. I am not going to talk about this with you until we get home. I am not text arguing you. Exactly.

And then, like, almost 24 hours pass, and you're like, I don't care. You turn on the TV, and you're like, oh, that didn't seem important at all. I didn't care. Oh, well. But I promise the rest of the show will be good. If you're a Bill Belichick hater, you're going to like it. Which I am, according to yesterday. Yeah, you were hot and bothered by this.

I now have to keep that up. Yeah. Can we talk about the fact that the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Buffalo Sabres, the first game was kind of a a non-starter because Jack Eichel wasn't playing

and I think it's not important you need Jack Eichel there I don't even remember he had the high ankle sprain yeah I think the Leafs won um yeah I don't know

whatever um I think this game might be the beginning of the battle of the Eastern Conference in the next five years

well or the battle for the top of the Eastern Conference in the next five years we now get well the Atlantic which is very weak

this season is going to be strong you're weak you're weak the leads are weak you're weak um i think the atlantic is going to be very strong toronto is going to be part of that buffalo is going to be part of that um probably montreal too well they're not as young as these guys though right so tampa so montreal is that right is that right now there's no going to be they're there and by a wide margin but tampa should stick around they're just having a brutal year i think it's a one-off florida should be there there's another one off i think yeah i agree i've been wrong before and then buffalo and

toronto both on the rise whether they make it or not and then you get ottawa in there as a bit of a wild card on november 4th toronto beat buffalo 2-1 marner scored two goals anderson made 42 saves wow oh that's right that was they went on a little streak where they basically got outplayed every game that was a little concerning um i am so excited for matthews versus eichel because i think it's even better than mcdavid versus eichel i think it's even better i think the stakes are much higher and we have a chance to see it develop over more games over a longer period of time mcdavid versus eichel was a draft thing it was like taylor versus tyler a few years ago a more a fair comparison for mcdavid is crosby probably right like and no with no offense to jack

eichel mcdavid's that good well and but there was all this debate mcdavid's better and eichel's better and and it became apparent after a while that they're just two players who are very good of different things. Yes. Eichel's probably a superior goal scorer. He's got the flash, maybe a little less speed.

McDavid is just the flash on skates. Better playmaker, probably. But they never play each other. The Sabres and Oilers never play each other. And how many times have McDavid and Eichel

played yet? Have they? I'm not sure they have because McDavid was hurt and then Eichel was hurt. The hometown hockey game between the Oilers and Sabres was supposed to be a big deal

because it was supposed to be I think it was Newmarket Where McDavid's from And then Eichel got injured The practice before Exactly Yeah So we didn't get to see it

I don't know if they've Played each other yet Now Now we got quotes We got bulletin board material Like that scout who said What was it? Eichel can't

Can't carry Eichel can't Carry Matthew's skates To practice Or something like that Okay Which is ridiculous A little bit ridiculous

Yeah, come on But now we got two guys who are both parts of the American hockey program. So maybe you get a little bit of that friendly rivalry going. But they're also divisional rivals now. Taylor versus Tyler didn't have that. You know, there was none of that Oilers versus Bruins rivalry going on. Tavares versus Hedman was never really a thing. I'm trying to think of some of the great draft battles over the years.

And yeah, McDavid and Eichel fizzled for obvious reasons Matthews versus Eichel And Leafs versus Sabres Has a chance to really become a thing Again, divisional rivals Both up and coming And the fan bases don't like each other No, Buffalo fans hate Torontonians

And I don't blame them Because Torontonians always come down and invade Buffalo Every time Toronto's in Buffalo I don't blame them You know, we always talk about Philly fans Doing this or we make fun of Habs fans for past riots, and obviously there's the Vancouver angle there.

It's not on that scale, but on a regular basis, Leafs fans buy up all the tickets in Ottawa, buy up all the tickets in Buffalo, and kind of act like jerks. And Detroit. And Detroit. Well, not as often. Not as often.

Oh, yeah, that's a divisional rival. Yeah. Is it? That's still not in my head. Detroit's out of the Western Conference? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?

It's very weird. That's like That's like You ever put the You ever take the cutlery Out of the drawer It's usually in And put it in a different one

Yes My parents That's what it's like My parents changed The cutlery drawer Over half a decade ago And I still

Whenever I go over there Go to the wrong drawer I can't get the Red Wings Out of the Western Conference In my head It's weird Let alone into the East And in the Leafs division

I can't do it That was hard for people with the Leafs for a while because remember, the Leafs were also in the Western Conference for a while. That's true!

Oh my god, I forgot about that! Like, that's how Toronto-Montreal in the Stanley Cup Finals almost happened. You know how many teenagers are listening to this

going, what? That happened? They didn't even know. Didn't even know. And the Leafs had the Western Conference travel schedule

that year. I didn't even think about that. Oh, you gotta play the Canucks, you gotta play the Kings, you gotta play the Expansion Sharks. The Bure Canucks,

Like, not easy teams. Not easy. So, what I think is interesting here, too, I mean, obviously this isn't going to happen tonight, but, you know, you talk about Eichel versus Matthews. There's other storylines here. Nylander versus Nylander. Right?

Is Alex in the NHL, though? I don't think so. No, I don't think so. No? McDavid has played Eichel one time, and that was last year on March 1st. Oh, okay. How did it go?

Edmonton won 2-1. See, that's not why you watch McDavid versus Eichel McDavid had two goals And the OT winner Yeah, uh That's pretty awesome Alex is playing with the

Rochester Americans this year Yep Uh, he also was on the Uh, he did Went to the World Juniors And was I don't know if you guys saw him He was unbelievable

I think he had 12 points In seven games He was pretty good It's just that Sweden Didn't do that great Um, and uh He has 17 points In 33 AHL games

Five goals That's not so bad So he's getting a similar treatment to his brother, actually. Yeah, making him play in the— He's able to play in the American League. I think he got a sniff in the NHL, got a sense of the world, juniors, which is probably the right thing for him. So that'll be—I mean, oh, Buffalo's going to be so fun.

I'm looking forward to it. I want Buffalo to be good. Yeah, absolutely. It's way more fun when the Leafs and Buffalo are good than when they're not. I want the Leafs to win the Cup. I don't want it to be a cakewalk. No. I want a war.

Like I want a movie to be made About when they win the cup And I want You guys were making fun of me For this on the weekend I want the Leafs to have to Go through the Bruins I want them to have to

Go through the Bruins I want them to slay That damn dragon To which Jesse and I say If the Bruins don't make The playoffs Isn't that still technically Going through the Bruins

If they don't make it Then the Leafs don't have To worry about it Yeah it's Basically who cares The Leafs are in the playoffs Here's I know you want it to be

This big dramatic moment All I want is a cup man I want the Leafs to be down 4-1 in game 7 And they come back and win it 5-4 in overtime I want Reimer to come out of the stands And start overtime for the Leafs somehow And he scores a game 1 or 2 He levitates from the stands

He descends For he is above us Everyone's like, where are the strings? There are none You know, I just think that this is It's going to be a fun game to watch And you know, the thing that You know, Buffalo's had some really bad luck with injuries and stuff this year,

and I don't—I'm not sold on Robin Leonard. He's a .922 so far. I know, I know. I just never have been sold on him, but maybe this is his year? His year? He's interesting. How he does this season is very pivotal. Because I see him as a guy who kind of loses his head a lot,

but he's also had a lot of injury troubles. If he can stay healthy, like relatively healthy, I mean, you're going to get banged up. Yep. and keep performing this well, there's one less thing for Buffalo to worry about. Because they're obviously still lacking. Yeah. You look at them in the standings.

They've got some stuff to figure out. If you can take starting goalie out of the equation, that's a huge help. Huge help. I'm excited. I think they've got the Winnipeg syndrome. Which we'll get to. They don't have the...

I think Winnipeg would kill for Robin Leonard. Yeah, they might. I don't know. I'm not sold on him. I'm not saying he's not good. but I'm just not sold that he's the guy. I'm not drafting him in fantasy. Put it that way.

No, exactly. But it is interesting how deep the Sabres are. Look at their top three lines. For instance, Evander Kane is playing on the third line right now. Is he? With Gionta. And I forget who this is. There's another guy who kind of disappeared.

Brian Gionta still plays. He still plays. Still plays. And I think he's still on his contract from a few years ago. I don't think so. I don't think so. Matt Molson's on that team, isn't he? He is playing fourth line.

What? Yeah. Which is crazy. Kyle Akpozo's on that team. Yeah, I mean, this is a deep team. Least talked about summer signing. Deep team. When was the last time a free agent signed for over $7 million and got talked about this little...

Six. Oh, it's six? Yeah, six. Still, that's a lot of money. 7.5 for Ryan O'Reilly. Oh, maybe that's who I'm thinking of. Who is also a Sabre. Ryan O'Reilly makes $7.5 million a year.

Till forever. Buddy, he's a center. And you know what? I'll take Ryan O'Reilly. He's a very, very good center. What's the player worth? Look at his position. Is it center?

Tack on $2 million. Right. Tack on a million and a half. That's why the Kadri deal is so good. The Kadri deal is phenomenal because he has one of the worst seasons of his career, signs a six-year deal, and follows it up with his best one.

Yeah. Yeah. Kadri, if he had to re-sign, like let's say the season ended today for whatever reason, or he continues this pace, and they had to sign Kadri, He's not signing for under five.

No, it's at least a million more. At least. Well, at least half. He also got lots of term, which is good. He's caked. He's okay. He'll be all right. I wouldn't worry about it if I were him.

I think that I'm really excited about tonight just genuinely because it'll be fun to have any rival at all. And I don't mean that the Leafs haven't had teams that can rival them. I mean that everybody's been able to blow them out for the last few years. and it's nice that they'll have a team that they can go to war with. I'm excited for this. This is good. Do you think the Habs take the Leafs seriously as a rival? No.

Probably not yet. No. Pittsburgh, they would. You think Pittsburgh would take the Leafs seriously? No, no, no. Habs and Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah, for sure. But again, that's not a divisional thing.

Pittsburgh, Washington is alive and well, as we found out. I guess we'll get to that. Leafs and Sens? Like, we got to hear that. Like we got to hear Like the first heartbeat In that rivalry in a while Maybe this will be

The first heartbeat In the Leafs-Sabres one That doesn't involve Hey we both suck Let's figure out Who sucks slightly less Or slightly less tonight Yes

Now unfortunately For the Sabres And this sucks This really sucks for them They are second last In the Eastern Conference Which isn't that bad They have

And I was just going to say 43 points In 43 That's second last? In 43 games That's second last What do the Leafs have? 48 points in 41 games

That's not a huge gap It's not It's not Who's last? The New York Islanders With 42 points In 43 games No one's out of it in the East

No No one's out of it There's only two teams in the NHL That are truly out of it In the entire league In the entire league Arizona, Colorado They're out

That's it We've been talking about the Jets They go on like a nice run Of like 10 games They don't even have to win them all Just go on a streak like the Leafs are on now You're in there Oh yeah, absolutely

That's kind of the scary part Tampa, for all their issues They have a few games in hand Everybody's got games in hand on the Leafs Because the Leafs had the bye week And so did Ottawa The Bruins have played six more games Tampa's played four more

But they're at 46 points They're two points out And I know everybody's like, points percentage, points percentage Which, what it is in the standings, the way I've seen it, is it doesn't matter how many games you have. Where you sit in the standings is how many points you have. Correct? Yes.

And this was brought up on Twitter today. Should they go by points percentage? No! I kind of... No! Weirdly, I actually like... Explain that to the average fan. Explain it to the average fan.

No. I think it's been a thing in basketball? No. And sort of in baseball? No. It's games out. How many games out are you? Oh yeah

Yeah there's no points I'm an idiot Yeah sorry It's just wins and losses Yeah that's just wins Yeah you're right And football The NHL

If we go to points percentage I am going to Do something That I'm going to regret That's all I can say The thing about the NHL To really ingrain something With fans

And I'm talking Like Casual Real casual fans You need to Make a decision on something And then leave it be For like 20 years

Yeah Seriously Like I Believe me, I want a three-point system. Either make that decision or don't, and then lay in that bed for at least 20 years. The other thing is, too, when you look at other leagues, sometimes the Cavaliers come into town

and they've played three more games than the Raptors, or the Yankees come to town and they've played four more games than the Jays because they had a weekend set and the Jays didn't. That is going to happen? So this idea that because three or four games played separates a couple teams and that we should go to points percentage, I think that's crazy. I think, you know, you just got to kind of, here's, you've played as many games as you've played, here's where you are in the standings based on your points.

If the team above you has 47 games played, like the Bruins do, and we have 41, do we have more points than the Bruins? No? Then we don't have more points than the Bruins. If anything, the bye week kind of indirectly makes the playoff race start earlier. Yes. And more interesting. Yeah, I would agree with that. Plus the condensed schedule. Holy.

Yeah, I mean, it is possible, like let's say the Leafs played six more games than the Bruins, and the Leafs were having a really good season, the Bruins were having a really bad one. Then it makes the gap huge. But then, maybe towards the end of the season, it starts to close. Now, if you're a team that's on the bubble, do you want your bye week at the beginning of the year? Or do you want your bye week when you start to hopefully get hot in mid-February? I like the Leafs bi-week

January dead middle dead center although it is after a semi-break for Christmas which though does anyone treat

Christmas like ah now I can relax no no you gotta go see your family you're traveling you're obligated to be places

you enjoy it and it's fun but you're running around I was tired like after Boxing Day I say this all the time it's why I take the week off after Christmas

because Christmas week is not a vacation. It's not. It's you're catching up with your family, which is hilarious because you haven't seen them all year so they're basically strangers

that you say I love you. Your Scottish in-laws make you drink. Yes, absolutely. You're hungover. You're exhausted. You're broke. I mean, I don't know, man. That doesn't sound like holiday to me.

No. Anyway, NHL players. Don't have to worry about that. The broke part. Hopefully. But they're doing flights. Anyway, it's going to be very, very interesting

to see what happens with Toronto Buffalo tonight. Steve, you are going. I am. I am going because Mrs. Tangle won tickets

I was fast asleep when she tried to get them and I woke up to her saying she got them I swear to god what

what Jesse I feel a vibe coming off of you it's emanating I'm just waiting for Jesse to say something

I'm just waiting I hope y'all found out the game there's no way you feel any joy for your friend You're a legend, friend.

I hope the Leafs win. I hope Matthew scores a couple. Me too. And you see a good game. I hope he scores 18. Where are your seats? I don't know. I don't know.

I've never asked that question. When you win seats? I'm just like, ah, cool, I'm going. I get that all the time when I'm giving away tickets on the radio, and people will be like, oh, wicked, where are they? More before they've even won. Your chances of winning a radio contest, it's very, very hard, Because people are like, how come you never pick up my phone call when I call for a contest?

It's a personal thing to you. Well, and to them I say, listen, there are five phone lines in the control room. Five. There are tens of thousands of people calling those five phone lines. For the chances of you getting in are what they are. And if you do happen to get the tickets, just be happy you had the tickets. But I get people, I get, it's little kids. Little kids mostly like, hey, I know you're giving away these Justin Bieber tickets.

And I don't even have tickets But where are they? Are they close? Because if they're not close I don't know if I'm interested You're like There's the comedian I want to say it was Louis C.K.

But I'm not sure They said they were like Behind Or like in front of some guy Like at the store Like the corner store How much is the Powerball this week? It's five million dollars

Nah I'm not going to buy it There's like Some construction worker I'm going to wait until it's like 165 5 million. I'm not getting out of bed for that. That's what I'm going to win.

That's what I'm going to win. I'll decide when I win the lottery, sir. I know a guy who just won the lottery. Yeah, you mentioned it in the last show. Oh, did I? Okay. Well, there you go. You did. Yeah. Split it 23 ways or something like that? 27. You mentioned that at Hawkman Cinema. Oh, there you go. Steve knows a guy who won the lottery

27 ways. Pretty good for that. But still, 37 grand. I'll take that. It's funny. When I tell this story... I don't know if I get out of bed for 37 grand. When I tell this story to people, they're like, ah, 37 grand, it's not a million. No, but it's 37 grand. If someone walks up to you in the street and goes,

here's 20 bucks, you're going to go, no, no, no, no thanks. I am taking that and running. And here's 37 grand in Canada that our lotteries are government controlled. So the government is giving you 37 grand and Canada, you don't get taxed on the income for that. Yeah, do we? No. So if you win the lottery, you keep it all.

Whereas if you win the Powerball in the States, say you win $600 million. You're giving like $300 million back. Yeah. That's nuts. Which is silly. I don't... This is very off topic for a sports show, but...

And American fans are going to laugh at us, or laugh at me specifically. I don't understand how America works. I don't. Yeah, when it's $600 million, why don't you just say $300 million? Yeah, I'm not... What do you just say to that? Again, I'm not criticizing it. I'm merely saying I've observed your tribe for a long time,

and it is fascinating to me. I don't understand it. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Yours is a fascinating tribe. Put on my King Xerxes voice. When we come back on Sportsnet 590, the fan, we've got to talk about Paul Maurice.

A little bit more on Paul Maurice. Crazy old Maurice. Sorry. Steve wrote an article with Andrew Berkshire. We're going to talk about that for Sportsnet.ca. We will be back. Paul Maurice. Crazy old Maurice.

who I don't think deserves that title I think no it's from Beauty and the Beast yes in total in total frustration

Paul Maurice is has obviously gone off at a press conference and he it seems like he's been mad

every single second of every single day of every single week has it been a week yet since that press conference

it seems like he's been mad I don't even think so it's like he went to sleep mad and he woke up mad and he's like angry sleeping

the problem is I don't think he realized how bad it was going to get I think he thought he just had one bad game against Montreal. I don't think the Jets have won since. No, and they didn't win last night. Yeah, the next night.

They lost to LA over the weekend. Yeah, so the Hellebuck got pulled in the game. The next night, they played LA. Lost in overtime. Did he play Helle-yuck? It was Helle-yuck. And then they almost got shut out against the Sharks. And the only reason they didn't get Helle-yuck.

I tried to just trot through that And I can't That's hella yuck He's no backup, Amy Sorry Curtis, he's the backup, Amy He's a pretty good backup, Amy Yeah, he was

He's terrible And then the only reason they didn't get shut out From the Sharks is because Martin Jones Literally gave Mark Shifley the puck Yeah And laughed about it And laughed about it Yeah

It's never good when the other team makes a mistake and they laugh it off. That's how bad you are. That leads to a goal. Yeah. Now, again, so today we know Andre Pavlik was called up.

So here's what I find interesting about this situation. Tell me if I'm wrong. When Winnipeg was doing well, Andre Pavlik was not good enough to be on this team. Now that they're bad... He was also the reason

they were in there, though. No, no, no. I'm talking about this year. Oh, oh, sorry. When Winnipeg was doing okay this year, Andre Pavlik was not good enough to be on this team.

So now that they're not good. They're grasping at straws. Andre Pavlik comes in. That's weird to me. Complete panic move. Complete panic move. Now, I'm gonna devil's advocate here. I understand this move by the Jets. I'm not sure it's even

a bad one. Hellebuck I think will rebound. Hutchinson has been bad. Really, really bad. Now, here's my question. Who starts? Does Pavlik take?

Like, can you even send Hutchison down without him clearing waivers? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. Can you carry three? You can carry three. You could just carry three, or in a complete, we're doing a reset here, you send Hellebuck down, and you let him figure it out

while Pavlik holds the fort. And then, you know, maybe after a couple weeks, you switch him again, and if you lose Pavlik to Waver so be it I don't I really don't know it's

I it would be hard for Pavlik to not be at least as good slash as bad as Hutchinson has been

he might even be better than what Hellebuck has been is any of that league average no and this is the thing

they're not your answer and goal is Andre Pavlik what are the Jets doing man this is my thing like and I said it last show

and people were like well the Jets have done done really great stuff I mean they've they've they've they drafted Hellebuck

and they drafted Comrie I think it's Comrie right or goaltending prospect Eric Comrie Eric Comrie there's help is on the way I said it last podcast

things are not bleak for the Jets they're not bleak but they could be way better next year and maybe the year after how many times are you going to say

to Jets fans next year? They've been a franchise for five years. Oh, but it really looks like it. Dude, Steve. It really, genuinely looks like it. Five years.

They haven't had the... You can't figure out your goaltending in five years now. You might say, hey now... They've been in Winnipeg for five years.

They've been a franchise long before. Fair. And you might say, hey now, Toronto just figured theirs out. Yeah, well, we finally got

competent management, so there you go. Wow. And, like, this is my problem. You've had the same general manager this entire time,

and the coaches are the ones getting the heat I don't get how he's not more answerable he has not gone out and got competent goaltending

period end of story if you want to fire Paul Maurice I really don't care like I don't have a dog in that fight I do just for Paul

personally that sucks yeah no I don't want to see him get fired but how is Kevin Chevaldeoff not answering more questions because I remember

when he was brought on for that job there was fanfare and people talking about oh he's a good hockey guy smart hockey guy and he's been pretty good I mean they drafted well

They've drafted well. Yeah, you're right. You know what? I just said help is on the way, and that is partly due to him. So what's the answer for the Jets then, Adam? What's the answer? I think the answer is go out and get a goaltender. Is that literally just it?

You should be winning this year. If you're in the Winnipeg Jets, I believe you should be winning this year. And by winning, what I mean is not winning the cup. I mean winning getting into the playoffs. But, like, you got Mark Stewart and Chris Thorburn, who I just see Jets fans yell about every single day. and now your answer is Andre Pavlik, like, every GM's going to make some good decisions.

Like, is it time? You were saying how the Jets may have gone stale. Is it time to be like, you know what? We're happy with the good things he's done. He's not quite doing enough. We need to cut him off and change. Who? Chevy.

I might be. I might be inclined to do that. Now, before that all happens, though, Let's talk a little bit about the article that you wrote with Andrew Berkshire. Because I don't know if we've talked about that on the show yet. No, because it wasn't written yet. So Steve and Andrew Berkshire, both SportsCenter.ca, got together and talked about Paul Maurice. And the reason we are not being harder on Paul Maurice, as everybody seems to be right now, is because of one thing.

And it's a career problem for Paul Maurice that he has basically zero control over. Yes, and this is the strangest thing. So, the stat that we knew last episode was all the goalies that Paul Maurice has ever had as a head coach. So, Hartford, Carolina, Leafs, Carolina, again, Winnipeg. Yes. Every goalie he's ever had, the combined save percentage was just a hair under .904. That is not just below league average, that's abysmal. The closest comparable at the time that we did last show

Was Jaroslav Halak Who got waived That's His average goalie is a waver goalie He's been a coach since 1995 He's been to the conference finals But I'm trying to talk about the body of work Since 1995-96

And over 1300 games I think 1330 games what are the what's going on and so talk to Andrew Berkshire who knows his numbers and so we go okay he's been a coach for a very long time he's played 1330 games we talk about sample size that's an enormous sample size so if Paul Maurice is the question is is Paul Maurice making his goalies worse is it possible that his goalies don't play well because he does something that makes them worse that's a good question and because he's coached 1330 games there's a large enough sample size that we should be able to say yes or no after doing research and the

answer is no after doing research no you absolutely cannot say that who would net now now you cannot we haven't really and you can see this at sportsnet.ca there's a graph there that's very easy too and everybody from arthur's urbe to you know connor helbeck you know you got sean burke who is who's the best goaltender paul maurice has ever had okay so there's i mean jesse maybe you can throw this chart up on the youtube video it's going to be useless for you if you're just listening but there's there's a chart everyone below a certain line is below league average over their career. Here's the list of the goalies

below league average. JSO Ben, Michael Layton, Andrew Raycroft, Vesa Toskala, Andre Pavelic, Archer Zerbe, Trevor Kidd,

Kevin Weeks, Cam Ward. That's a lot of names. Here is a list of league average. They're right on the line. Manny Legacy, Al Montoya. And Al Montoya's a backup.

Yeah, good one though. But he's not a starter. He's not giving you 50, 60 games. Right. Here is a list of above average goalies Like goalies who have been above average Over their careers That Paul Maurice has had

Ready for the list? Don't blink Tom Barrasso, Sean Burke Sean Burke last played for Paul Maurice in 1998 When did Tom Barrasso play for him? I don't know And it was at the end of his career So

What we did And Burke's eye was very smart And I don't know how he looked this up But again This is why we collaborated on this We Those are all goalies So

Paul Maurice has had more goalies than those guys the reason we looked at those guys is they have lengthy careers that either started before and or continued after paul maurice they were paul uh under paul maurice right so for example um let's look at al montoya he's played with many teams and he played with different teams before He was with Maurice's Jets, and he's played with the Habs since Maurice's Jets and the Panthers, right? So, what was their save percentage under Paul Maurice compared to the rest of their career? So, when they work with Paul Maurice, do they get better or worse? The answer is half get better and half get worse.

So, it's right down the middle. So, it's split down the middle. You can't definitively say, like, Sean Burke, okay, so it's... and Burke, those are not great names. These are not great hockey goalies. Sorry. What I asked skeptics on Twitter was

okay, you have to play one game. Winner take all or someone murders you. You have to win this game. You've got to pick two goalies that played under Paul Maurice. Who do you pick? My answer is probably

Sean Burke as my starter and Al Montoya as my backup. Now, some of these goalies had really good years. Andre Pavelic had the best year of his career under Paul Maurice. Cam Ward had a beastly year under Maurice. He played in 74 games and had a 9-2-3 save percentage. He was a well above average goalie in 74 games. That's a monster, monster season.

Part of the reason Cam Ward has gone down is injuries over his career. We kind of forget that when he won that, Conn Smythe is a rookie. He was unbelievable. That was in 2006, though. Yeah. That's kind of a long time ago. Cam Ward's not young anymore. And he's still played, he's had a resurgence this year.

He's been playing really good. Yeah, so the chart is kind of broken up into four quadrants. It's good goalies who are bad for Maurice, good goalies who are good for Maurice, bad goalies who are bad for Maurice, and bad goalies who are good for Maurice. The largest quadrant is bad goalies who are bad. That quadrant, so he had,

By the way, here's how doomed he was in Toronto. All three of J.S. O'Ban, Andrew Raycroft, and Vesa Toskala are in the bad goalies. And O'Ban had a really nice nine-game run for the Leafs, right? Didn't he win nine or nothing? I think that was the end of Pat Quinn's era in Toronto. Oh, was it? I think so.

And then the next year, Paul Maurice takes over, and he's got nothing. And O'Ban is not the 9-1-2 O'Ban that he was at the end of the season. Because he was never that. No, he was brutal. Ray Croft was brutaler. So let's summarize this here quickly.

Paul Maurice has had really bad luck, which brings me back to my point about Winnipeg. Now, here's my challenge to you. You don't have to accept. Sure. Because I don't want to create work for you. Sure. Take the Jets franchise,

the original Jets franchise, which is now the Coyotes. Okay. And the current Jets franchise. Have they ever had a good goalie? Oh my God, yeah. Who? Happy Boulin.

The Boulin wall, man. Okay. That was a long time ago, though. Other than him. Trying to think. Like when Dale Howarchuk was a Winnipeg Jet. I'm trying to think of who they had when they moved. Was it Happy Boulin?

I think it might have been. I think it was. I think it was because he played in Phoenix for a while. The Boulin wall. But other than Boulin, I think... And was he that good? You're looking at, like, Essenza? Goalies who have played for the Phoenix Coyotes

Curtis Joseph And by the way, there's no dollar in the Phoenix jar No, we're not talking about Phoenix here We're not I'm talking about Winnipeg teams No, but that's who the franchise is That's who the franchise is That's what hockey

They get the records What's that? I know that But I'm just talking about While teams have been in Winnipeg Have they ever had a good goalie? Okay, well So you're talking about the years they were in Winnipeg

And then now Yeah, that's what I'm talking about That doesn't count though Why not? It's not the same franchise I'm just talking about While Winnipeg had I'm talking about

For the fans While they had a team In the city That's a different argument Robert Ash Remember him? Yeah He had like a good run

For Philly That was it That's the thing I don't think Winnipeg's Ever really had A dominant goaltender Except for Javi Boone Was he dominant

For Winnipeg? I think he was That was Again it was such a long time ago We were kids We were kids We were like 8 years old When they left

We were children So you know That's my thing Winnipeg Get a goalie Get a real goalie So the only goalie With an above average

Career save percentage Who Played like it In Paul Maurice's Entire 1300 plus game career Was Sean Burke The only one Can we call this guy a bad coach?

I mean there might be Other stats to look at It's possible he's a bad coach Who always has bad goalies But what's the most important Position in hockey? It's probably goalie Probably?

It makes Well and my article starts with you show me a good goalie or no you show me a good coach and I'll show you a good goalie

yeah show me Montreal without Carey Price this year well and this is the thing like so Berkshire and I were talking we're like

I would love to look at other coaches Carlisle would look fascinating because that guy's had some really good goalies over his career um

Michel Therrien he had like a prime Marc-Andre Fleury mhm and Jose Teodor I think the first time he was in Montreal

like Vezna Teodor Hart Teodor And now Carey Price, obviously Heart Carey Price I heart Carey Price I don't know, man It's fascinating Ken Hitchcock is a guy I would love to look at

Lindy Ruff Because Lindy Ruff has had the best of the best And the worst of the worst Speaking of former Jets Can we talk about what it's going to be like When Shane Doan wins the cup with the Blackhawks this year? Dude, the Blackhawks can't afford anybody It's the Blackhawks, man

There's all these graybeards The Jerome Aguila, rescue him Shane Doan, rescue him All these old guys Who can they afford? I don't think they can afford anybody But again, they'll find a way They always find a way

Where does Shane Doan go If he gets traded? Chicago's gotta be in there It doesn't matter what their cap situation is They don't care And if I'm the Coyotes I retain as much money as possible If they want them

Because I don't know what the retention limit is Is it half? yes so if you retain Hap it would still be tough because he makes a lot but

who here's what I look at who is the youngest team going into the playoffs the Leafs potentially well they certainly

well yeah like right now looking at the standings right now the Leafs well they certainly don't need a winger you know you know who I think

are strong candidates to get this guy who and I think both fan bases will be like No, but you're probably right. Calgary?

And Edmonton. Really? Shane Doan is so a Peter Shirelli player. Yeah, you're right. He's so a Peter Shirelli player. Come on. Come on. I'm not convinced he's a Bradshaw Living player.

What about Columbus? That's a good question. That's an interesting one. That's an interesting one. How much space do they got? They got a little bit to play. I just thought Chicago was the obvious fit because of the lack of wing support for Jonathan Tays, who's had career low in points.

I'm sure Chicago would love him. But, yeah, what does that guy make? Shandong? Yeah. 3.87. So, 1.7. Just shy of 4. It's possible.

It's like 1.9 if they retain half. And they would because he's on the last year, isn't he? He is. Yeah. So as long as your pick is high enough, your draft pick or your prospect is good enough, they'll retain as much as you want. And they don't need draft picks because we as Sportsnet employee Andrew Zuber so eloquently put it when it came to baseball a few years ago. Prospects are for poor people. So, wow.

That's interesting. It's an interesting thought. Does the money matter? because phoenix would like to keep the money wouldn't they or arizona you mean get rid of the money no keep it so they stay at their cap level how close to the floor are they right now aren't they i thought they were close to the roof yeah the roof so they're fine want to sit there no well there's i mean once you're under the cap but above the floor you're good yeah yeah so they don't need to be up there you can trade them yeah exactly no the reason you

trade him if you're Arizona is because you stink. And that's what teams who stink do. Is you trade your players on expiring deals. Yeah, and they take the prospect and then the money comes off the books either way. Joel's not just on an expiring deal. He's on an expiring career. You know what I think is going to happen? This is an outside

shot. But Boston has been in on Gabriel Lanniscaug. I feel like if they lose out on Lanniscaug, which, by the way, they're like, we need to replace Louis Erickson. That's the problem with the Bruins. Louis Erickson's gone. I think Shane Doan looks awfully good in a Boston Bruins jersey.

And especially, now, is he a long-term solution? What an interesting thought. No, but I think he's... Oh, it doesn't matter if it's a good idea or not. We're just talking about can we believe... I can believe Boston. Boy, oh boy. Especially the way they've traded.

That is a neat thought. Edmonton or Boston? That is a neat, neat thought. Is Shane Doan fast enough to play with Connor McDavid? My God, no. Okay. My God, no. He doesn't have to, though.

He's just got to be there. That's a pretty big, mean team heading into the playoffs, though. You've got Patrick Maroon, who is Milan Lucic now. Playing the role of Milan Lucic, we have Patrick Maroon. And Lucic is playing the role of Patrick Maroon. And then you get Doan in there? That's a tough team. I don't know if it necessarily makes them better, but it makes them more unpleasant.

Before we leave here On the radio portion Sportsnet put out An article on How are we talking About Edmonton buying I know right It's crazy

How good is McDavid And that's what I'm bringing up Edmonton If you go to Sportsnet.ca They talk about Where they expect

Every team to be Come trade deadline Leafs of course Standing pat But Edmonton is Expected to be a buyer Apparently If you're willing

To pay the price Apparently And this shocked me Ryan Nugent Hopkins Can be had which I don't think makes sense how does that make you better

I don't know that's what I don't get you've got McDavid that's such a premium you've got McDavid and Ryan Nugent Hopkins you're set you're set

and Nugent's on a I mean it's an expensive deal but that's not his fault he's probably worth it even though he hasn't has he not been he's underperformed

a little bit this year I don't know has he been fine I think they're trying to develop him into what Babcock has tried to develop Kadri into

like a shut down guy who can score you send McDavid out there to cause havoc and score you some goals you send Nugent out there to play against the other team's top line

that's my understanding maybe I'm wrong I don't know if I'm the Coyotes it looks awfully delicious as your first line said that's not happening why not

not straight up you don't have anything to offer him if Edmonton wants to walk Ryan Nugent Hopkins out the door you're telling me the Coyotes wouldn't be

interested in someone like that he's on a long term deal so you can keep him oh no no Of course the Coyotes are going to do that. And they have their prospects and the picks to make it happen. That's like, again, Adam, I'm interested in a Bugatti. I'm very interested.

I don't have anything to offer for the Bugatti unless I wake up in a new one. I just think maybe Arizona might want to get themselves a top-line centerman. Of course. Of course. But what does Edmonton get? Well, they get Doan and whatever the heck they want from your system. No. You know what, though, man?

This is the NHL. That's why it's fun. It's where silly happens. Man, seriously. With, I mean, John, if it wasn't Chayka in charge in Arizona, it would be far more believable. Because Shirely and Tippett were,

like, they're the old, not Tippett, who was the GM last year? Arizona. Of who? Oh, I forget. How do we not know this? I know.

He traded John Scott. How do we not know this? It's not Tippett, is it? Maloney. If it was Don Maloney and Shirely, then I see it happening. That's interesting Because they're shoot from the hip guys

That's so interesting Anyway let's go It's the Steve Dangle podcast On Sportsnet 590 The Fan Brought to you by Panago Pizza It's what's on the inside

That counts We will talk to you In the download section At Sportsnet.ca Saw a tweet Thought it was relevant To what we were discussing earlier Garrett Hole

Who is a contributor To Jets Nation Want veteran Oh wait And noted Jets fan Want veteran presence Want to save the season To as much as possible

Whisper Trade Hutch and Pav for Halak Who wrote that? Garrett Hole From Jets Nation It's an interesting thought And that would definitely be fascinating for the Paul Maurice study

Because there's a goalie who has not had it This season But has had it in the past No It's an interesting thought And then you gotta pay him next year too? I don't think so Just saying

It's an interesting thought Nah they can do better than that Interesting You can do better Winnipeg What about one of the Ottawa goalies? I think Ottawa wants them Is the weird thing

I think they want to hold Ottawa Craig Anderson may not be back this year Craig Anderson's season is such a wild card And if he does come back I think Hammond got hurt Didn't he? Or he's had to battle injuries And Condon has been incredible

I just think if Anderson comes back There's no guaranteeing That he comes back and plays himself into shape into the shape that he needs to be in right and that's not

that's I mean that's just physical facts and the last time he came back from a leave he got a shutout so

he's one of the older goalies I don't know exactly I'm gonna go with at least mid 30s 35 wow he's been around man

yeah and he it's funny he's like a late bloomer a bit yeah he didn't really get onto people's radar

until there was a playoff series a few years ago where the Sharks were just so heavily favored over the Avalanche. And Anderson just stood on his brain

and gave the Sharks all kinds of trouble. Wasn't Anderson a large reason they had that season, that great season? Well, him and Varlamov. Oh, the season. No, no, no. Yeah, that was Varlamov playing Vezna quality. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And as much as it's weird to say, I think Ryan O'Reilly leaving hurt them more than they thought it would. Yeah, weirdly, you can't lose two $7 million centermen and expect to be good. Stasny and Ryan Raleigh. Stasny too.

Yeah, that's right, Stasny. Even if the other two guys are McKinnon and Duchesne. How is Stasny quietly really great? How do you be that quiet and really great? Supposedly, he hasn't been that great. But again, it's another one of those things

where you've got to pay a premium for a center. Right. You know... And St. Louis is that good, so maybe he doesn't look good there. Dimitri Filipovich tweeted about... I haven't been paying attention

to Joe Colburn or any of that avalanche individually, really, because that team's just so bad. But Colburn was a big signing for them. He scored a hat-trick in his first game of the season, and he has one point since. One assist since. He hasn't scored a goal in over 30 games, I think it was. The last time Joe Colburn was that cold,

because he's had some cold stretches, but I think he had 19 goals last season? 19 goals 25 assists Yeah this guy's good For like at least 10 For crying out loud The last time he was

This cold Is when he was Leading the AHL In scoring With the Marlies Busted his wrist And then he couldn't Shoot the puck anymore

And the Leafs kept playing him The Leafs Well the Marlies Kept playing him They went to the Calder Cup final I think Instead of just Letting him heal

Next year comes And they go We got Damaged goods here We might as well Keep Colton Orr And Frazier McLaren Let's trade this guy

To the Flames and then eventually his wrist recovers and he becomes a decent little piece for them. It's purely a guess, but I wonder if he's got a busted wrist again. You know how hard that is? If you're at least a decent player to not fluke into a goal

in like 30 plus games? Like 32 games. Come on! Cody McLeod just scored a goal. It's plausible, man. I'm sure if you left anybody in there long enough, they'd get one eventually. Like, you know what I mean? Not a cold one.

Yeah. 15 goals between the Caps and Pens last night. That is the same amount of goals that David Clarkson had as a Leaf. That's crazy. That's nuts. Yeah, I still have not seen the highlights from that game, except for the dastardly things the Penguins did in overtime. They're dastardly.

They are dick dastardly. For sure. Big time. and Capitals fans were not happy and I think they are they have every right every right

I can't wait for them to play each other in the playoffs I can't wait I tweeted this too if anyone if like it

let's say it's revealed that the NHL is rigging the season for the Penguins to play the Capitals in the playoffs who outside of the Metro division

is upset nobody nobody's upset not a single person that's something I clear my and being a Leafs fan I'd clear my schedule for a Caps-Pens game.

Let me throw this out there. What's the best rivalry in the game right now? Well, that's got to be one of them. California had some good wars. I don't know if there was any specific wars between, like, who's Chicago? Is Chicago St. Louis? That's a good one.

Do they hate each other? Not enough. Yeah, like, it's more of a dazzling skill array. And Bacchus isn't there anymore, so it's changed. Right. Pittsburgh and Philly. Pittsburgh and Philly is always good just because of the location. Always good.

Always good. Man, I'd love to see them play in the playoffs too. But, like, we're talking since 2005. Penguins Caps delivers time after time after time. Eight to seven? Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Read that stat again, Jesse, that you read before the show.

Oh. He's going to find it. It's really interesting. Matt Murray is the first goalie to play a full game, give up seven goals, and earn the win since Dominic Roussel in 1994. That's amazing. 1994. How many people listening right now weren't born? That's from Down Goes Brown. Aw, DGB. He's such a good, well, he's such a great writer. I'm always jealous of him.

He's an incredible follower. Follow, sorry. He nails a certain era better than anyone else. And it's about a 10-15 year period from the very late 80s through the 90s to the early 2000s. He's a historian of that era. Some historians specialize in World War I or II, something like that. He knows everything that happened in that little era. So of course he knows that.

Of course. I love that. That's so funny. I love that. That Crosby thing against Ovechkin Was absolutely a trip And it was absolutely missed And the goalie interference

I don't know man I don't know what's goalie interference anymore How does Kadri Get a goal negated twice For the little tiny brushes he had And Crosby gets away with that goal I believe the name on the back of the jersey

he might have something to do with it. Well, and I haven't even seen the Hornfisk thing. Apparently, he hit someone. I don't get it. Oh, there was another really good one the other day. I think it was Habs Rangers. Did you see the Kevin Hayes goal that didn't get waved back? Yes, yes.

Kevin Price essentially gets dragged out of the net by the leg? I don't know. I don't understand. That's something they're going to have to define, and I'm sure the NHL knows this. They have. They just don't get it. The refs don't get it.

I think they get it, they just don't agree And everything is so case by case It's so case by case The book is so open to interpretation What I don't understand too is that This is how fans vote You imagine? But the problem for me is that a lot of the time

These interference calls are arguably The defenseman of that team Pushes that forward into the goalie And it's goaltender interference And that is crap, that's BS The game we saw in London between the Leafs and Sens We actually saw someone get called For that

It was Smith Zach Smith He pushed Nikita Zaitsev into Curtis Bakabane And I'm trying to think of the last time I saw a defenseman get called For goalie Sorry, an opposing forward get called For goalie interference for shoving the defenseman Into the goalie

I don't understand Yeah, yeah What do you even call that? Was it even called goalie interference? It might have been called unsportsmanlike conduct Interference. Roughing? Interference? Being a jackass.

It's two minutes from being a jackass. Two minutes. You can't do that. I don't know. It's a great game, and then it ends like that. Now, Caps fans will never see it this way, but it's great that the game ended that way because you're mad, and it's great that you're mad. Yeah.

And it's great that you were arguing with Penguins fans after the game It's all great It just makes it better It just makes it better for when I mean there's a very good chance you play each other The Metro The first two rounds for the Metro Is going to be fantastic no matter what

It's been such A clash of the Titans All season long And they're just taking turns braining each other Like just killing each other The Penguins went on a hot run and then got demolished. The Blue Jackets come close to breaking a record

for wins in a row and then get demolished 5-0 by the Caps. The Caps go on this little run and they don't allow an even-strength goal. They hadn't allowed an even-strength goal since January 3rd, something like that. And then they allow eight goals to the Penguins and lose.

It's awesome! Does it bother you that the matchup will probably not happen in the Eastern Conference Finals. It'll happen in the second round. A little bit. A little bit. Not the way they've set up. Well, you know, you've got to have a matchup in every round that's fiery, right?

My favorite round of the playoffs is the first round. It's fun. It's like somebody pulled 16 armies together and go, let's fight, everybody, go. Yeah, at random. Yeah, so that part's fun. The second round's fun because you get divisional, right? You get these guys that have played each other all year long,

and they are this bloody close to getting to that Eastern Conference final, and it's a claw your eyeballs out. Unfortunately, sometimes the Eastern Conference finals can be a bit of a letdown because of that. It's almost like the playoffs fizzle a little bit. And then at the end, you have two teams who have never seen each other. Yeah, and that part's kind of annoying because I feel like— Every now and then it works out really well. I don't know how it'll go this year

But I always find the first two rounds to be the most fun The first round's just bananas And then the second round is a little bit more strategic And then the third round Shouldn't it be the best two teams Playing in the conference finals? No You can make the argument that they do

Like the best team from the Metro Is going to play the best team from the Atlantic No, you shouldn't just put the best two teams in And that's it No, that doesn't work like that No, I don't Cut out the first two rounds No, no playoffs

I mean, they should work their way to the one plays the two seed. That's the way it should line up, but it doesn't line up that way. It lines up where the one plays the four, kind of, in the finals. Yeah, and I guess the reason for that is because they don't want to make it a punishment for finishing first or second, right? Because if you're finishing first or second, you've got to go up against the second-place team, then you're clobbering each other in the next round. No, but you're doing that in the second round. Oh.

Yeah. I haven't thought of this angle yet. I haven't thought of this angle yet. The Habs have such a bad season last year. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. This season, they're still battling injuries, but everything, they're okay. It looks like they're going to be okay. And they get Radulov.

Shea Weber works out great. Carey Price looks like Carey Price again, even though, you know, he takes a little bit of a dip, but he goes back up. They're getting players back. They got some young players that are doing well, and they are top of the Atlantic by a huge margin, which means they're going to get one of the wildcard teams, which means they got to play someone from the metro in the first round yeah because nobody from

the atlantic's game that's not fun that's not fun like has there been a worst year or has there been a worse year to win the atlantic probably not no probably not yeah your eighth seed you might be getting a team better than you in the first round and you're a division winner a sixth seed that's crazy for no reason it's like what is it right now Right now, Pittsburgh, well, Toronto sits with 48 points, and they should be the 8th seed, but they'll end up with the 6th seed. Right, no, but who does Montreal... Montreal would play Philly.

Montreal plays Philly. That's a fun little series. And would that mean then that... Oh my god, you got Price versus Steve Mason? Montreal plays New York, actually. Washington would get Philly. Montreal, New York's good too. Montreal, New York. A Montreal, New York series would be kind of cool.

I had a Rangers fan tweet me something really interesting today. They're like, wrong about the Rangers. The Rangers are not good. Antti Ranta and Henrik Lundqvist are good. How true do you think that is? Maybe. That's possible. Well, the Rangers, remember they had that ridiculous shooting percentage

at the beginning of the year? And then I guess it died off a little bit. But, you know what? Lundqvist hasn't been great. What are you talking about? No, he's been mediocre. He's been mediocre. Like, hardcore mediocre.

Better of late. Better of late. And the only reason he's playing really is Ranta got injured because he was playing great. I don't remember who it was on TV the other day, but Lundqvist, for as adored as he is, like as a goalie and as a figure, he is annoying, isn't he? Well, I was watching, I think it was the Leafs-Rangers game, and they talked about the death stares he gives his defensemen every time a goal goes in as if every time it's their fault.

And when he's pulled at the end of the game, he's just this thundercloud. Hanging over the bench Yeah, he looks genuinely shattered Which, okay, he really cares And he wants to win I get it, man, but can you tuck it in your pocket For the next two to three minutes, please Just hide it

You're a 35-year-old man And he hasn't been good of late Because in his last seven games He's only had one game where his save percentage Was above 900 Wow And Ranta just got hurt Interesting

very very interesting they have 57 points so they've got a bit of a cushion but if you look at you know they've played 44 games so they're kind of

right in the sweet spot of you know they're not in the low end or the high end of games played however just outside of the wild card we've got Carolina

with 49 points Philadelphia by the way has 50 they're in the second wild card spot everyone's sleeping on Carolina yeah man everyone is sleeping on Carolina

resurgence Ottawa Ottawa 41 games played so they've got 3 games in hand on the Rangers And Philly They have 48 points

Now I'm not saying That would catch them up Tampa If they can ever get healthy again I don't Is Victor Hedman actually out? I know he left I've lost track dude

Like it's I've lost track I don't think this is Tampa's year Also If Tampa doesn't fix Their offensive zone entry It doesn't matter who you put

He would Stephen Stamko's on that team Thank you Adam Who's seen one game Two In person Oh shoot Wow you've seen as many

Tampa Bay Lightning games In person as I've seen Leafs games This season This season That's pretty incredible I saw one Leaf game Two Tampa games

Wow Yeah And that's in person I watch I watch the games Obviously Watch the games But even

Even New Jersey Like they're not far I mean 45 points Which is insane Corey Schneider man Freaking Corey Schneider They're literally just Tying him to the goal post

Like Milhouse And somehow Still in the conversation Taylor Hall got hurt For a month Goldberg When he went Stay in front of the puck

In D1 Hey Goldberg I bet if the puck Was a cheeseburger You'd stop it That's what they're doing To Corey Schneider Jesse, did you have something that you wanted to add?

It looked like you were going to say something. You readjusted your microphone. Nothing? I thought he was going to add something. That's cool. I thought he had a stat. Should we do the press conference? The Presser SDP.

The Steve Dangle Press Conference. I do a good Steve, so yes. Eric Berger wants to know if you were going to the All-Star game. That is in L.A. A few people have asked me that, and I have not been asked. Because it's usually one or the other, right? What do you mean? What are you laughing at over there?

What? Jesse asked, Steve, are you going to the All-Star Game in L.A.? Or are you going to the All-Star Game? And then you're like, it is in L.A. Oh, I didn't even hear that part. Are you going to the All-Star Game? No, no, no. Jesse didn't say it was in L.A.

That's the part of the podcast where this goes. No, no, no. It's just so funny because it was like, Jesse's like, are you going to the game? You're like, it is in L.A. Oh, because I was trying to think Well, yeah, he's asking if I'm going And I'm like, oh, to L.A.? Shut up

Shut up I'm done with my coffee I'm just throwing it at you Because you're usually at one or the other The last two seasons has been Hey, you're either at the All-Star game Or you're at the Winter Classic Right?

Yeah, I guess so Yeah Huh I've had a neat little couple years, by the way Working at Sportsnet has been fun This year, I guess you're at the Centennial So you're not at the All-Star I don't think my bosses look at it that way

um but i mean there are i mean holy shit it's sportsnet they there are other reporters i'll just straight up say better reporters to send i don't know who is going and also like uh part of the reason i got to go to the winter classic in boston is i think someone else couldn't go so yes as far as i know unless someone asked me at the last second i'm not going chicago is still up in the air for the draft i don't think i'm going to that either but again I'll say it Every time it comes up If you have a chance

To go to the draft Go Why don't we just drive there It's so fun Yeah I mean People will drive to London From Chicago Why don't we go

I'd love to go to the draft I think I have a wedding though Again You missed out on Matthews getting drafted Didn't you No no I drove there

And drove back The night before a wedding Right Okay I would never miss that How dare you Jesse Next question

Riley is almost on pace for the same amount of points as last season will he come short of 36 points match or will he surpass it and by how much you know what I was thinking about actually on the way here was so Riley has struggled a little bit defensively right

struggled a little bit defensively but he's on about the same pace offensively that's incredible for a variety of reasons One, he's got a rookie defense partner Who is a little bit older than him And has probably played more pro games than him

But He's a rookie on North American ice Yep, which is a lot smaller Two, that rookie is playing on the side that Riley played on last year Oh, that's true Riley played on the right Now he's on the left again And I don't know how much experience he has on the left

I don't remember if the right was a one year thing or whatever So the fact that Riley has gone through this huge adjustment Maybe bigger than anyone else on the team and he's still doing this well, at least offensively, that should be commended. Can I point this out too? Sure. He's also 22.

Yeah, I was about to say that too. That's the thing that gets me is that, yeah, okay, so he struggled against teams' top offenses, which, I mean, I get. You're 22 years old, and the fact that you are still producing at the points total that you are, is he getting the same power play time? That would be my question.

That was the thing. He was not getting power play time. Right. Which is nuts. And that's what I thought. So he's doing almost all of this at even strength. Exactly. That's the key.

Because last year he was quarterbacking the power play a lot more. Now it's mostly... I'm not sure. Wasn't he? I don't think so. Okay, well, anyway. Maybe I'm wrong. I feel like Riley is going...

He'll adjust and Zaitsev will adjust. I think the strongest pairing on the team right now, and a lot of people would disagree, is Connor Carrick and Jake Gardner. I think those guys, in their roles, they're perfect for their roles. They're great for their roles. Every pairing is work.

they got work to do and they all have their strength Connor Carrick I still say maybe more than anyone else on the team has more to give he's got more to give

someone I don't remember who it was on a broadcast was talking about because he tried to jump up in the play and they're like who does Connor Carrick

think he is I'm like man Connor Carrick has huge offensive potential he just hasn't reached it yet so it's another one of those things oh should they trade

JVR for a defender no they should trade no one for just wait yeah alright next question if Panago

had a special for the podcast and podcast listeners what would it be? Panago like a pizza? if they had a special pizza um

okay so that's a good question Adam there would be three specials right? like one for each of us so Adam's pizza

would be terrible it would just be all peppers like the crust would be made of peppers what? yeah it would just be gross why?

Right, because you're a smelly butt. Okay, alright, yeah, that's fair. And I just felt like being mean to you for no reason. Alright. Mine would just be nothing but meat, because I'm a meathead, and also meat is delicious. But that's not a special, though. Like, a special is like, what's the deal?

Like, this is, hey, we're selling this new Steve D'Angelo podcast pizza. No matter what you order, it costs $19.67. That's kind of expensive. I like that. No, but it's like, you get like a pizza, And like Cinnamon sticks

Other stuff Yeah drinks Free t-shirt There you go Okay Free SDP t-shirt As long as you're throwing things in there It's not just 1967

Buddy I'm all about free stuff Okay That's not technically free We'll give you a tour of the kitchen That was fun actually Making pizzas at Panago That was fun When you did that

We'll give you Grey Cup tickets And you get to park You get a free hot dog When you go to the Grey Cup So you're buying You're buying food But you're also getting free food Yeah

we should talk to Panago about that about what Steve Dangle pizza yeah we should have a special if the Leafs make the playoffs this year

I think we should we should have a promo code you put on the website at least no no but there should be a pizza that embodies

the three of us on one pizza SD playoffs the SD yeah the SD pizza SD playoffs pizza the SD double P deep dish

SD pizza deep dish is it good enough Can't they just spell out SDP with pepperonis? Whoa! Like, you put in some code on the website, and then pizza comes, and it just says SDP with pepperonis. Jesse, genius.

There it is. I think that's pretty simple. Genius. There it is. Yay. We found it. Yeah, absolutely. That's very good.

And you can't, we should get a 1967, like, meal together. $19.67. Yeah. The Steve Dangle podcast, 1967 special. Throw in some cheese. This has legs! This has legs, my friend! Alright.

Who sent that in? You know what'll happen? This is... Doesn't matter. They get no royalties. Big hit on Lee. This is a brilliant idea and we'll probably forget

all about it. Oh, 100%. Like, when the playoffs come we'll be like, oh yeah, where are we gonna... What's great is I'm actually hanging out downtown with these guys today

and I'm going to forget before we get to the other studio down the hall. Anyway, thank you so much for listening to the show today. We will be back Thursday. No.

Thursday. Despite what Steve tries to tell you, we are doing this again Thursday. But what if I don't want to? Well, Jesse and I will show up, and the show that is under your name will be hosted by two people that are not you.

Is it going to be like when Don L. Rollins and Charlie Murphy hosted the Dave Chappelle show? Yeah. Yeah, what was that about? I watched it the other day. Season three of the Chappelle show. It's a very weird... Is the season weird?

It's weird, right? It's definitely weird, because they filmed a bunch of sketches. Most of them were clearly not done. There was one done one. I think it was the Cribs one Yes And the rest were

There are two seasons To the Chabal show There are two seasons First and second No no the third No there is a third one Two worth watching Oh I see what you're saying

There's two seasons That's like That's like how people say There's two Scarfaces Or not Two Godfathers Yeah I just mixed up Scarface

And the Godfather I am fired from being Italian Oh my god Every cheap t-shirt shop Is gonna be so mad at you Every single person we went to elementary and high school with. Oh my god, you've got a Scarface and Che Guevara

flag? That's so cool! Every Sicilian guy we went to high school with. Wow! Hey man, you Italian? Uh, yeah, Sicilian. That's Italian! Sorry. Should we just end the show? Yeah.

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