The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Jan 19, 2017 - Shatt in the Hat

Episode Date: January 20, 2017

On this episode, the guys talk about Lundqvist's struggles in goal, Francesa's struggles with emojis, Curt Schilling's struggles with life, Corrado's struggles with playing games, and Adam's struggles with signing Shattenkirk. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Gentlemen. Adam. It's been a good couple days. I think so. It's been a good couple days. I want to, in case anybody doesn't know the Leafs angle and why it's been a good couple days.

Now, we're... In case anyone doesn't know the Leafs angle, we're going to cover it. Yeah, we're going to cover it. Welcome to our podcast. And, you know, you might be listening to this on the radio after the Leafs-Rangers game. In which case, I have no idea how that went. So, we're just going to go pre-Rangers here. And we're happy.

7-0 loss inbound. And Henrik Lundqvist also threw a tantrum at the bench. That's what we're going to say. Oh, there you go. Although he's close. You know he's close. He's going to blow a gasket. But last night, the Habs and Bruins both played.

Yes. Both divisional rivals. Indeed. And they both lost! Although the Bruins didn't get a point in OT They blew two Not one, but two Three goal leads against Detroit

Yeah, they blew a 4-1 lead Not so easy, is it? Yeah, 4-1's not so easy Boston Now, this has been the interesting thing Standing's watching Jesse, can you bring up the wildcard standings? I got them here

They're nuts I got them here Oh, okay, good Everyone's got them but me So, everyone's been focusing on the Bruins Because they have so many games in hand The Brewdogs? The Brewdogs.

They have so many games in hand, the Leafs would have to go on a pretty big slump to not catch them. Which, here it comes. Here comes the slump. Like, right now, they're redonkulously hot. What are they? 8-1-1 in their last 10?

9-1-1 in their last 11. It's gross. They're not going to stay that hot. No. They simply can't. No one can. But, as long as they don't dip below, like, 500 for a stretch. It looks like they have a pretty good shot at fire.

passing the Bruins. The Bruins are talking about firing their coach. The Sens have been in the conversation of, you know, because the Leafs keep leapfrogging them, and then the Sens do it, and then, you know, that's going to be a battle. Sens, by the way, in the second wildcard position as of this morning.

There you go. And the Rangers in the first. So two, yes, two things have crept into this race that no one's really considered. One, a wildcard spot has opened up. the Metro is not going to have five spots because Philly is blowing it. Completely blowing it.

Yeah, in their last five, they are 3-2. No, 1-4. 1-3-1, so 1-4. Gross. Steve Mason, brutal this season. So the Sens are in a wild card spot. Meaning, like let's say the Leafs, they basically play whatever their average has been

over the course of the season. You take all bad and good streaks out of it. They just keep playing at the current pace they're on. They got to be leapfrogged by two Atlantic teams. So, I don't know, likely the Bruins and Sens. Likely. And also, they got to not make a wildcard spot somehow. Now what has jumped into the equation is people are going,

you know what? The Habs aren't that far away. and they've got a bunch of games in hand, can the Leafs do it? So let's... People are going nuts. Okay, yeah. So as Babcock said before the Bruins game,

or Bruins game, Sabres game the other day, let's all calm down. Good luck with that there, Mike. Montreal, 46 games played. They have 60 points. Boston, 48 games played. They have 52 points. Here's where I think it's really interesting.

And we've got to give Ottawa credit here. Yeah. Toronto and Ottawa have both played 42 games Toronto has 21 wins Ottawa 23 but they have 15 regulation losses

the Leafs only have 13 and they are tied in points so 50 50 for Toronto 50 for Ottawa so who gets the tie break there Toronto I believe

because they're better in the head-to-head Toronto has the tie break over Ottawa and Boston oh yeah it is the head-to-head right

yep yeah they've run Boston's show yeah so that's important which goes to show When you look at the standings Seriously, go home and look them up

Because I'm not going to go through every single team here But the point spread between 10th place Which the Islanders are last in the Eastern Conference right now The Islanders are I'm going to repeat that The Islanders are last How didn't we start the show with they fired Jack Capuano Like half an hour after we finished recording

But the Islanders 42 points Leafs 50, Ottawa 50 Wow, now there are games in hand involved and points percentage and all that stuff. Islanders have played 42 games like the Leafs and Sens. There are still no teams officially

out of it in the East. No. But that's how important those divisional games are. You want to have those tie breaks, right? They're going to make a difference. Leafs have played the Islanders once and they got killed. Is Claude Julien really the problem in Boston?

And was Jap Capuano really the problem in New York? or is it that the teams are just not as good as they were? I saw Islanders fans kind of split on that on Twitter. I guess I don't know enough about them, right? I'm a little bit more familiar with the Atlantic teams. It's hard to watch all 30 teams. Yes, it is.

But I look at the Bruins on paper and they got elements that scare you, but they don't scare you. I look at the Islanders on paper and it's even worse. It's even worse. They've got element that scares you. Remember at the beginning of the season, like when we were talking about, you know, I think the Islanders will probably make it, but I'm not sure.

And then game one of the season happens, and we look at their lineup, and we went, wait a sec. Like, I would love to hear that clip again, because it's like, wait, these are the Islanders? Yeah, there's no Nielsen, no Alparzo. The parents who didn't make this team? Yeah. Tell me they couldn't be using his goal scoring right now.

This team's gross. Well, and even with him. Even with him. I don't think they're that improved of a team. That's not a shot at him. It's a shot at the team. 20 more goals, though. Yes.

Yeah. Jason Chimera's on your top line? Or at least that's how it started. I don't know what it is now. Ugh. Ugh. And isn't Andrew Ladd there for a long time? Forever?

For all the time. For basically the rest of the century. Pretty much. And, you know, there's another team where, like the Jets, help is on the way. They've drafted some pretty big-name guys who could help. they also might not. Prospects are magic beans. You don't know.

The Islanders are in a weird way. They're in a real weird way. In looking at these standings, too, Boston and Montreal, yes, last night was a good night for Leafs fans because both of them lost. But do you see in Montreal, we've heard about the goaltending issues in New York,

and we're going to talk about that. And I'm not talking about the Islanders. We know that one. The Rangers one, which is a little bit, is becoming forefront outside of New York. I know New York fans are like, oh, we're talking about it. But the rest of us are like,

oh yeah, well, Henrik Lundqvist is there and he has cold streaks and blah, blah, blah, blah. Everybody does. Is anybody, are we really zeroing in on not that Carey Price is frustrated and visibly frustrated, but why? Why he's frustrated? Why is he this frustrated?

It's interesting. I don't know. I'm not sure what he's frustrated with. because, oh, I mean, winners hate losing. Sure, and that's fair. That's who he is. However, the Habs are, you're going to go through ups and downs. This is a down.

So the Leafs are, you know, they're looking at the streak, or some Leafs fans are looking at the streak the Habs are on, and they're going, you know what, they're in striking distance. But you're within striking distance. Like, you're still not even quite there. you're playing at your absolute best they're playing at their absolute worst and you still can't catch them calm down a little bit so i'm not totally sure why price is frustrated because the problem seems pretty obvious to me they're shorthanded and help is on the way they should

be getting some guys back from uh injury very soon markov is the big question mark there they don't know what the hell's going on in terms of injury he's okay day-to-day how do you interpret day-to-day he could be back any day now it's like morgan riley yeah any day now any day now any day now but markov is listed as week to week what the hell does that mean every sunday they go to church and they ask god and that's how they find out oh like the hockey sweater yeah exactly Exactly. You go and you pray. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't think Montreal, I don't see the cataclysmic fall happening for Montreal.

Like last year? Like last year? No. I don't see that at all. I'd be pretty surprised. But it is interesting. They are going through some adversity. And Carey Price is frustrated. If Carey Price is frustrated, and let's say he's frustrated with the way they're playing.

And I think in Montreal it comes down to the system that they play, which we've been critical of in the past. It seems to be working for them this year. But I really think what's been working for them this year is Carey Price. And it's interesting. I saw Eric Engels, who covers the Habs for Sportsnet, he tweeted, Alex Radulov hasn't looked like this all season. What's going on?

Yeah, so I'm wondering if Carey Price is frustrated visibly on the ice, and you're a coach, and you're like, this is my system, this is my system. if your guy and your guy is Carey Price is that frustrated are you not taking a long hard

look at yourself and going maybe he is right about something or do you just go nope going ahead with it and that guy

and I'm not talking maybe not just you how would Michelle Tarian handle it could some of it be like goalies want to play

sure they always want to I can't imagine a goalie going up to the coach and being like I want fewer games please especially Carey Price

yeah Should they maybe give him fewer games? Well, the problem is that when they do, Al Montoya comes in, and the system that they play is exposed. But he carried them to start the season, though. Do they not give up high percentage shots more than they should? That I'm not 100% sure of. I think so.

Andrew Berkshire actually wrote, you know, should the Canadians panic, basically. And everyone seems to be like, you know, Price has this. Price has this But that was a few days in We're about a week and a half Two weeks into Don't worry Price probably has this

And he still might He still might This might be a A moot conversation Moot point by the end of the year They'll probably still win The Eastern Conference They'll probably win the Atlantic

Atlantic Sorry not the Eastern Yeah They're not beating Yeah no Washington and Pittsburgh Those monsters Those horrifying

Greek Mythological Monsters That they have in the Metro It's unbelievable It's so scary. No, I just wonder with that. And going back to Boston for a second,

again, I don't think Claude Julien's the problem. I don't think Claude Julien's changed. I think the... You got to look at what's changed. When something starts to go wrong, what changed? The general manager changed. The makeup of the hockey team changed. And it's not his guy.

It doesn't even matter if he's a good coach. He inherited that coach. I don't think Claude Julien... I don't think there's much more you can do with Boston. I think this is what they are. I really do. And I think, I don't know, I've never been sold on Don Sweeney. Why are you trying to get, and here's the rumor, the big rumor is Gabriel Landeskog.

Why? So you can replace Louis Erickson at the same price? I mean, if you can get Landeskog, get him. I don't understand why the Avalanche wants to trade him. And if I am the Bruins, I'm going, you know what, this team looks kind of dumb. I'm going to give it a shot. Let's see how I can get Landeskog. So I don't fault him for that.

but what did we talk about for so long was the problem with the Vancouver Canucks what the hell are they what the hell are they I would argue

that the Vancouver Canucks are in a better spot today than they were maybe at the beginning of the season or in the summer because it seems like

they're skewing younger it seems like they kind of see the writing on the wall and they have some some younger players that have some some spit

like they're good and they're not finishing last no They're within striking distance of the playoffs. Hell, they might even make it. They might even make it. Probably not, but might even make it.

And they're skewering younger. They are literally tied with LA for the last spot, but LA has a game in hand on them. There you go. So I look at the Canucks and I go, I see kind of where they're heading, and they're having some success. Good for them.

Good for them. I'm still a little curious to see how it all goes, but good for them. What are the Bruins? eh they got some good younger parts but there are it's funny there are teams that have good younger parts uh because that's what they're trying to accomplish and there are teams that have them because they just kind of do it's a necessity you're kind of up against the cap and the rest of your team is old and busted and i wonder if that's not what the bruins are becoming

I mean, the Bruins had the best defender in the league for like a decade, and he's not that anymore. He's old. He's still good, but he's old. Jara's old, man. So I get frustrated for Bruins fans when I hear them say, we're going to fire our coach, when the problems seem pretty evident. Your team's not that good anymore. Doesn't that seem like it's what it is? is it is it that it sounds like such a simple thing but who makes all these decisions the GM right what's the GM gonna do I didn't give the coach a good enough team no he's not gonna say that of course not so you gotta fire the coach and who care I don't care about this coach I inherited him anyway anyway I don't care with Garth Snow it's a little tougher I guess because apparently Jack Capuano lived with him but that's gonna be weird that's gonna be weird uh and also Oh, like Julian hasn't been fired yet at the time we're recording this. Actually, Jesse, you might want to keep an eye on Twitter.

Okay. Yeah, I really don't think he's the problem. With regards to the New York Rangers, the fact that the Leafs are playing them tonight, and Henrik Lundqvist has been a lot along the lines of Carey Price in that he's been emotional. He's been that way his entire career. Yeah, but now more than ever, because when he's down, he's down, right?

I hate it. I hate that. I hate it so much. I hate that, too. I want Don't you want your And it's wrong to say Because you can't apply

A position to a person Right You can't apply You can't say All goalies must be This type of personality But you do kind of want Your goalie to be stoic

Do you not Babcock loves his big goalies So I'm sure he would love Lungfist I'm sure he would love Robin Leonard But two things Those guys do

That would drive Babcock Up a wall I remember It was the HBO 24-7 When Babcock was still With the wings for the Leafs-Wings

Winter Classic and the Wings lose and they're heading off the bench and Babcock's like, come on, boys, body language. Lundqvist has the worst

body language in the NHL. I don't care how good of a goalie he is. When Lundqvist was pulled, was it last night or the night before? Night before.

Night before. He looks like my dog after it's misbehaved. He had his head down and the brim of his hat was over his eyes. And his eyes. And you're like, dude, you're Henrik freaking Lundqvist.

Like, really? And I listen. You're 35! What's his save percentage this year? A 9.02. That's why I wanted to bring this up. Dude, Paul Maurice wouldn't even take him. He has.

Pat Electricity is back, by the way. All right, you ready for this? I'm going to read through his save percentages since December 17th, the last month. Okay. January 17th versus Dallas, 7-4-1. Ew. Jan 14 versus Montreal, 7-7-3. Ew.

Jan 13 versus Toronto, 8.52. Hey. Better. Jan 7 versus Columbus Blue Jackets, best team in the league, 8.92. Philadelphia. Jan 4, 9.38. Look at you go. Jan 3 versus Buffalo, one of the worst teams in the league, 7.89.

Babe. And then versus Colorado on New Year's Eve, 9.26. Versus Minnesota on the 23rd, 6.92. so he has had two quality starts hang on I'm not done in that span two more

okay two more quality starts the 18th versus New Jersey 9.35 good and 17th versus Nashville 9.69 so that's four

in the last month that's no good it's uh less than half his games it's 20 goals in his last 113 shots that's almost

one in five maybe one in six now which is uh 8.93 save percentage yeah that's no good but But do we look at it, do we give him the credit that we're giving Price?

He'll get out of it. I think so. I definitely think so. And I also think, I mean, how hurt is Antti Ranta? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it was serious. No one seems to know.

And this is the interesting thing. We kind of talked about, and we've said for a long time, goaltending is cheap. You know, you can get Mike Condon for a fifth-round pick. Or off waivers. Or off waivers. Both. Both have been had this year.

I mean, and there was some luck there as well. Yeah, sure, sure. Ranta is 7 to 10 days, and that was two days ago. All right, and that's your backup anyway. Yeah, but he was on fire this year. Sure, but that's your backup anyway. Calm down, you know? All of a sudden, there's all these teams who need a goalie.

Winnipeg? By the way, how hilarious. Was it you, Jesse, who sent me that Winnipeg free press? article about last night's game what was the article i think the headline was pavlik near perfect in jets victory over coyotes he allowed three goals what are you talking about near perfect first shot near perfect as in he could have allowed four he made a really good save one dude this is pavlik reminds me so much he's the czech jonas gustafson he is he would have a bad game, but make this ridiculous

athletic save because he was out of position in the first place, and you go, woohoo! That'll be great. I bet that'll be on Rock'em Sock'em this year. Did they win last night? The Jets? Yeah. Because here's the thing. The two tweets I got last night were He'll have a goal on the first shot. Yeah, so that was the first tweet I got, was

Pavlik allows a goal on a first shot. They beat the league's worst or second worst team 6-3. And the second thing was Ha! See, you guys thought Pavlik couldn't play goalie. They won. The Jets are No, no, no. It's not even that they won the game it's the Jets are winning like I don't I don't think because you won one game that you're winning I also don't think that person was serious but there was more than one person oh yeah and I

get it I get it listen we're it's it's a personal thing you love your team I get it but Andre Pavlik Winnipeg Jets fans is not your answer he wasn't your answer when you guys were good so now that you're bad how is he now your answer but sorry I got on to the Jets we were talking about the rangers there yeah um the rangers look like a playoff bound team what do they do well they got listen are you confident you're gonna get playoff long fist because if you are then you just yeah i think you ride the goalie who you've been riding for the last 12 years because what was my rant about a month ago if you're gonna do it you have to do it with long fist he's locked in for too long for too much one more year too bad too bad that's your

bed laying it. It's a handsome bed at least. They still have 28 wins this year. 28-16-1. They had such a start, though. What's their last 10? I can only see their last 5. They're 5-5. But you need a good

start and go 500 the rest of the year. It'll carry you. If you go 500, you're fine. The Rangers would be fine. They'd be fine. They'd probably land in a wild card. That's what they're in right now. Well, there you go. Okay, so we're going to take a break. When we come back, I want to talk about Steve's favorite writer.

He's a fellow by the name of Mike Harrington. He's based out of... I thought you were going to say Steve Dangle. Well, sorry, other than Steve Dangle. Because Steve Dangle's brand is self-aggrandizing, I believe. Self-congratulations. Self-congratulations. And I just, by the way, I wrote another great trade tree.

You should check that out. Which we'll talk about as well. But Steve's favorite writer, who he definitely isn't blocked by. No, you're blocked by. Not anymore. Oh, good. I don't know why. Maybe he runs the Windsor Spitfires account.

We're going to talk about his article about the Leafs-Buffalo game, which I think you're going to find really interesting, because from a Buffalo perspective, it's quite sober. We'll talk about it. So, the Leafs and Buffalo played on Tuesday. I was there. We saw the game. Steve was there. It was a great game. Yes. Steve paid for tickets.

Blood trickling down my face, I was up so high. Holy. That's good. But it was good. I got a bird's eye view of everything. And you get to see the plays develop from out there, which I like. Yeah, yeah. So you miss certain things. Morgan Riley being injured. Yeah, like Carrick is out there with Matt Hunwick, and I'm like, that's odd.

Oh, maybe it's just a line change. Okay, no, who's missing? Someone's missing. What the hell's going on? But then, yeah, you get to see plays develop, and the Leafs really struggled in the first. Yeah, they did. And then they kicked a whole big bag of ass in the second and third. They sure did.

Then two. What I thought was really interesting was, you know, a guy that, especially when Mike Babcock was hired away from, I don't even want to say he was hired away from Detroit. He was hired away from Buffalo. You know, like really, he was Buffalo's coach until the Leafs went yoink. And that's fair. And I understand Buffalo, but he was one of those people who came up from Buffalo to the Babcock Leafs press conference and asked, excuse me, Mike Babcock, I hear that you drown puppies. Can you confirm or confirm? You know what?

He probably had to come up on the QEW, Eastbound Gardner, I guess. And it was under construction at the time, too. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I'd be grumpy, too. I'd be grumpy. I'd be grumpy. So, Mike's mad in this article about the Leafs and Sabres.

Interesting. But what's interesting is that it's not... Normally, people, when they lose to Toronto, it's, well, they're a bunch of a-holes anyway. We hate them. And then everybody goes, rah, rah, rah, okay, fine, yeah, we'll get them next time. He's actually mad at Buffalo

And Buffalo management, not Buffalo fans This is interesting, because I'm trying to think What could they possibly be mad about That wasn't that bad of a game Okay, they coughed up a two-goal lead But, it's funny I saw a lot of Sabres fans get super upset Oh, how do you blow a two-goal lead?

And I'm like, oh, honey You haven't seen the Leafs blow that Dude, they've blown like ten in the last month Are you kidding me? I'm going to read some of my favorite quotes from this, by the way It could have been Robin Leonard. I don't know what they would be upset about. It wasn't even that.

So here's, I'm going to, again, I'm just going to read some of my favorite parts of this article. The Leafs have a coach who's going to the Hall of Fame and a general manager and president who are already there. The Sabres have a coach with a Stanley Cup resume who's clearly causing fans and his own players to gnash their teeth far too much. A first-time GM and a club president who's just about the most reviled figure in town these days. Now, I forget their club president's name, but I think it's not Pagoula. It's obviously not the Pagoulas. Oh, the Sabres. Sabres, but I believe he might be the same guy as the Bills.

Jesse, if we can check that, that would be great. I just, I believe, because there's been a lot of bad things happening. Are we sure it's not Pagoula? No. Because this guy, who's the president of the Sabres, is the governor and alternate. No, he's the president and alternate governor. Oh, okay, I got you. So I'm assuming it's, you know, part of Pagoula sports and entertainment.

Now, he said, now obviously the biggest thing in the league's favor is they tanked for half a season. Garrett Sparks and Ned 81. and were lucky to win the draft lottery to take Austin Matthews. The Sabres put together two of the worst seasons back-to-back in recent NHL history and didn't get the little ping-pong ball to bounce either time.

Do you want the management? Yeah, what's the management structure? So we go owner, Terry Pegula. Owner slash president, Kim Pegula. President slash alternate governor, Russ Brandon. Can we look into Russ Brandon? I want to know if he's associated with the Sabres. I've heard of Kim Pegula.

Or not Sabres. I've heard of Russ Brandon. Sabres, Bills. Rule of sports and entertainment I think it is He's also president of the Bills That's why because The general manager of the Bills Just full disclosure was not told

And not involved in the conversation When the Bills fired head coach Rex Ryan And he went and talked to the media And they said why did you fire him And he said I wasn't involved in that conversation Russ wasn't involved? No no you know the general manager Russ went to the coach fired the coach

Didn't tell the general manager So that's why he's just about the most reviled figure in Buffalo right now. Oh, dear. So this is where it gets interesting. That's good context. I didn't know that. The Leafs rookies entered Tuesday combining for 161 points this season, including 60 goals, which is unbelievable.

Did you see that graphic? It was a couple games ago now where the Jets had something like close to 60 points from rookies, and they were second in the NHL, and the Leafs had like 100 more rookie points than them. It's stupid. The fact that they have 100 rookie points in a season, any team, is a lot. It's redonk. He said that's more than double any NHL team.

What's happened to the Sabres prospects? Justin Bailey, Nick Baptiste, Hudson Fashing, I hope I'm saying that right, who have been injured most of the year in Rochester, have combined for three goals with the Sabres. When are they going to start to help? Well, they've been injured, though, as you just said. Right, as he just said. The Sabres team has too much dead weight,

especially in its bottom six forwards. You look at their bottom six. That's interesting. Matt Molson is playing in the fourth line. Yeah, that's a rough one. Evander Kane is on the third line. That is a rough one. Those two alone, I think, are the dead weight.

You know... Gionta is also in the third line, if you want to call him that. I mean, he's a leader. I don't think they're paying him that much. I don't remember. But he's making bank. He's making good money, at least. Now, there's three trades I think you can talk about.

I think Platinum Seagos, who I think we're at three or four straight podcasts now that we've brought him up. He brought up a good point. So when it comes to the JVR trade talks, everyone thinks of Hull for Larson. Why not Johansson for Jones? That's a little bit more even, isn't it? Why does Hull for Larson have to be the standard? Why does a lopsided trade have to be the standard? You know?

Yeah. Kane for Myers, given what we know about those other two trades, eh, eh, because like Myers when he's healthy is, you know, a big right-handed defenseman who's useful for the Jets. He plays like Tyler Myers all the time. Plays like Tyler Myers damn near most of the time. And you can say, yes, he's overpaid, sure. But he still plays like, he's still a brand, right?

You still know what you're getting, right? How many 20-goal seasons does Evander Kane have? I think it's one. I think it's one, too. And he has a gigantic contract. It is 5.25. That's pretty gigantic. For this year and next year, and then he's a free agent.

Yeah, okay, so it's not that long. 5.25 for a guy that's not scoring 20 goals. Exactly. How many goals does he have this year? 12. Oh, he's going to have a 20-goal year. I think he's also battled injury. Sure.

And, yeah, it sounds like he'll have a 20-goal year. He had 20 in 65 last year. Okay. Well, I think the question becomes now, if he's doing that well, why is he on the third line? Right. The next line to me is the piece de resistance. The line of the whole piece. Jack Eichel is a terrific young player.

Yes. Absolutely. But he's no Matthews. Whoa! No shame in that, but it's the reality. Whoa! I would not expect a Buffalo Red to do that. I would not have expected that either.

That's why I said this is a very sober piece. Also, you know, sometimes, maybe not so much this year, but in the past, I've gotten just really down on the Leafs. Maybe. No! Yeah. I don't. But, like, give Eichel some credit.

He's been fine, I think. He's played, like, 20 games, and he got a high ankle sprain, which is the worst. Yeah, he's recovering. Like, you're still. You're not okay yet. Yeah, you're not getting. You know when you're going to get optimal Jack Eichel? Next year.

Yeah. October. That's what you're looking at, probably. I'm no doctor. And they're not going to the playoffs. Probably. It sure doesn't look like it. Babcock chose an original six franchise rather than a move to Buffalo.

The rest of the situation is far from luck. Murray overspent on too many mediocre veterans. Can you bring up their... You got it? Okay, cool. His trade of a first-round pick, and I forgot this, for one Robin Lehner. When? Continues to look mighty fine, doesn't it?

Lehner gave up a ridiculous goal on the wall for Matt Martin that got the Leafs even, and then threw a tantrum after he got yanked after Matthews beat him and put Toronto up 3-2. I still say, eh, given what the Leafs gave up for Freddie Anderson and looking at Lehner's numbers heading into that game, which was a 9-2-2 save percentage, that's not a terrible price to pay,

depending on what that first was. I feel like it was a later one. The Ottawa Senators traded Robin Lehner and David Leguan to the Sabres for the number 21 pick in the 2015 NHL draft. That's not a horrible price to pay. What are you doing with Leguan, though? I think it was salary probably.

Fair enough. Babcock is then quoted, we're trying to grow up as a team and learn how to play and learn how to play when you're ahead, Babcock said. Catch-up hockey is losing hockey. It's hard to chase the game all the time. We want to keep our foot on the gas and play. It's more fun that way. And then Mike ends it

with, praise be. After that. And he said, The Sabres have serious problems at hand Maybe for many years With their rival at the QEW That is a Buffalo writer Wow Now what I want to ask is

Is he being too hard? Because I think he might be As bad as it looked Tuesday night It didn't look that bad It was still 4-3 And yeah Robin Lehner Threw a tantrum Passionate guy

Him and Bilesmo have their conversation And I'm asking this for Sabres fans That listen to this show It doesn't seem like it's all that bad Does it seem like Is it really that bad Or is it just a frustrating night And you're going

And then you're over it The Leafs are A ridiculous standard to hold yourself to In terms of a rebuild But because of Babcock they will Totally But like Nothing but hits

Like when was the last time we saw a rebuild Where like the Penguins didn't ascend this fast when they had Crosby no it's this is insanity

the Ovechkin Capitals when they wore like black blue and copper or whatever the hell oh that was a bad jersey it was the home one was okay

the away one was gross they were bad they were so bad how are the Leafs in this position now again

the Leafs are at their best right now and the Sabres are reeling a little bit So, you got to remember. You got to remember that there, Mike. The other thing is, I think this is the worst time of the season to evaluate your rebuild.

I agree. Because it's mid-season, but it's not quite close enough to the trade deadline, so everything seems bleak. You know when I bet things seem better for Buffalo? In March. After the trade deadline, when they've gotten rid of a few guys, and you go, look at all these picks. Yeah, this is kind of neat.

You know when it looks even better? June. When you draft someone in the first round, probably top five, you might even get the first guy. Yeah. Top ten, certainly. Absolutely. You're going to look good.

You're going to look good. What I think is interesting, too, here is that, yes, you're right. Halfway through the season, definitely not a great time. Right now it looks terrible because all you do is you look at what you have and you just go, damn it. You're looking in the AHL and you're going, uh-oh, we got nothing. Yeah, Rochester stinks, too. It's not necessarily.

Well, you've got three prospects that are injured, I guess. Yeah, and I mean, you can't... I mean, the Marlies... The Leafs lost. The Marlies are a sub-500 team in the AHL this year. Do we think the prospects they have all suck? No. No, it's not the greatest...

AHL wins are not the greatest indicator of what your team is, so... What's the happy medium here, Mike? Let's find it. I would love to chirp them and be like, ah, Sabres, ah... But I still think there's something there. There's something to be worried about with this team. Well, of course. And I think it starts with Jack Eichel.

From the Leafs angle. Yeah. I'm not talking about them being bad. No, no. I am too. I don't think they're going to be bad. I really don't. I don't think that this has been a fair season to look at them that way.

It'd be like looking at Tampa Bay and going, well, they're terrible. They're not. We know they're not. Are they underperforming? Yeah. Are they injured? Yeah. Who do they have up the middle?

No one. Exactly. Stamkos is injured. No, no. What would the Leafs look like without Austin Matthews? I think about it for about a tenth of a second, and then I push it, because that doesn't need to be in my brain right now.

Exactly, but that's the point, right? That doesn't need to be there. Jack Eichel out, Stephen Stamkos out. You can carry Price out for the Habs last year. It's different. It's a different... These players, they matter. It's like LeBron for the Cavaliers.

What would they be? They'd be good, because they still have Kevin Love, still have Kyrie Irving, But are they the Cavaliers? They're not the Cavaliers. Just saying. I hate, I never thought I would say this,

but Mike Harrington, can you please give the Sabres a break? Poor guy. Hey, Frank Carano's going to play tonight. That's unreal, eh? Yeah, with the fun dog. No, no, he's going to play. Oh, is it Carrick?

Unless I saw something different, it's going to be Carrick. You're right, and they're going to be used as a third pairing. Yeah, and what I saw there was Carrick is going to be on his offside on the left. Corrado's going to be on the right, which is probably the right way to do it. And Marincin is not healthy. So it took two defensive injuries for the eighth defenseman to play.

There it is. What did you say? At one point you said, that will happen. This will happen. They will have injuries. I guess, man. But poor guy. It took all the way to mid-January.

42 games in. by the way this is game number two for Frank Corrado Babcock did say he's like I'm excited

oh I'm excited for him and you know he's going to be an opportunity to shine and he he better he better freaking play well

he's got no if he plays well it's found money at this point like he's this prospect who didn't exist could there conceivably

in an alternate universe being ours is there a chance that Frank Corrado plays himself into this lineup regularly Let's say this stretch of Morgan Rielly's lasts for a week.

Is that long enough for Frank Corrado to prove, I deserve to be in this lineup semi-regularly? Here's the stupid fantasy I have, Adam, is the Leafs win the Cup this year, and whoever gets the Cup first... Gives it to Frank Corrado. Gives it to Frank Corrado. He's this team's Ray Bork.

Win it for Frankie. Frank Corrado is the Leafs' 38-year-old. how is he staying healthy and conditioned if he's not playing hockey apparently well Chris Johnson was saying

he's jacked he's incredibly jacked because all he does is work out nobody works out I was reading some quotes yesterday from Babcock with Jesse

and we were talking about it was Sheldon Keefe they asked Sheldon Keefe what he thought and they said the first few games Frankie played great

and then you could see that there was some fatigue in the last few how many games did he play seven and they played him towards the end

because in the first few games they sort of warmed him up a little bit but then I think he was on the top line Div core or Div thing with Renat Valiev

well and that's hard because you're going from zero time to all the time there's a difference between working out and playing hockey there is

they said he showed some signs of fatigue and I'm like well yeah yeah and you're using him they're like yeah we used him the most

they put him on the ice the most the Marlies loved him they should've he should be their best defenseman logically but Corrado's

not going to be playing those kinds of minutes. He's not going to come close to 20 unless someone gets really hurt. No. What's he going to get?

12? Max? Probably. I mean, you better not see any fatigue and if you do, if you see some fatigue, I don't think that's

Mike Babcock's fault. And I don't think Corrado would be fatigued at 12 minutes. I don't think so either. You know, I was talking about it's Babcock's fault

if Corrado doesn't look crisp. Because obviously he hasn't been playing games. But tired? Shouldn't be tired. The Leafs have bikes, man. Go down There's a bike right there

They played What was it 7 games In 10 nights Or something like that Conditioning stints Only last like 10 days Yeah

The AHL is The AHL is harder Yeah They play 3 straight nights Did Corrado play 3 straight nights He might have He played 7 games in a row

Yeah Well not 7 nights in a row Sure he did But 7 games in 10 days How do you fit 7 games I think it was 10 days Or 2 weeks Even if it's 7 games

In 2 weeks That's so gross That's insane That's so stupid That's a lot And it's not good for development either because, you know, that's why so many players get healthy scratched. They'll be worn down.

It's not just to get everyone games. It's so that you're not playing these guys three nights in a row. Right. And all of a sudden you have a hole in your lineup. So, hey, man, good for Frankie. Good for Frankie. It'd be great if he could be. Frank beats Hank.

How great would that be? Be a perfect headline in overtime. As if Babcock would put Frank Corrado out there in overtime. Maybe he plays really well. Maybe he plays really well. The Marlies also lost their last four games. That's not Corrado's fault. It's definitely Corrado's fault.

I blame Corrado 100%. What are the goalie stats, by the way? For the Marlies? Yeah. Oh. Just Marlies.ca. Because Garrett Sparks was kind of emerging as maybe better than Antoine Bebo. which throws another

wrench in the who the hell is behind Freddy's conversation I honestly think with the two of them at this point right now

it's six of one half dozen of another like one gets hot the other's not and then the other gets cold and the other gets hot

Bebo's sitting at a 902 Sparks is at a 925 so Sparks is wow really how many games has he played 10 games

how many games has Bebo played 19 still most of those 19 were before the most recent column. Jeff Glass, 917.

And he's not there anymore. And Enroth had a 904. And Romo had an 880. Also brutal. Overall, they're sitting at a 901. That's disgusting. Wow, so not only is Sparks not only are the indicators

Sparks is the best one they have indicators are he's clearly the best one they have. But they're not playing him. Well, they're playing him more now. Well, now. They weren't playing him at the beginning. Well, they had to because Bebo was up.

Bebo was up. And I think he's kind of won that job back, which is good because he had some off-ice stuff that happened earlier this year, which don't even get me started. It's in the past now. He is a— He's getting texts from idiots. Yeah.

He's a— I thought he was the clear-cut better one last year, and I find it funny that Bebo keeps emerging, and I keep going, like, has he earned this? every time Bebo comes out I'm like is this really the guy

his first two call ups made sense they made sense Sparks hadn't really played they hadn't really played and the Leafs needed so that's the only reason

because Sparks hadn't played and he was the best one available you couldn't call up Glass they were evaluating him

to see okay we clearly don't like Enroth we know we don't like Enroth we don't know if we don't like Bebo

so let's see So it was two evaluation games Rommel clearly didn't have it And if you're disappointed with Sparks And you're disciplining him And you're not playing him in the minors Yeah, you call up Bebo He was their option

Now, if we get to the end of February And the Leafs need to call up a goalie This is Sparks' opportunity to make himself that goalie And I, jeez, at this point Kind of looks likely, doesn't it? We have backup Amy, so it doesn't really matter. That's true, yeah. Backup Amy is going to be bulletproof.

More like bulletproof Amy. Am I right? That wasn't as good? Well, then we have to stick with backup Amy. I think we're going to do that. That was the pinnacle. I didn't know why we were moving from that. I think we keep that.

Listen, listen. Okay. I'm listening. I'm just not hearing any sense, son. How do we get on this? I don't know. Well, we're talking about, we originally were talking about Frank Corrado, but one thing I want to come back to quickly before we have to go here on Sportsnet 590, The Fan, and

there's tons of stuff to talk about in the download portion of this show. Like my great article. I have a great clip from our favorite radio host, Mike Francesa, at a WFAN in New York that we will get to in the download section of this show. Can't wait. a caller was asking him about text messaging and Mike's response to it is fantastic

now and if you don't know Mike, Mike is your grandfather Mike's your grandfather who still has a radio show for 18 hours a day it's a long radio show he's not even your grandfather he's your grandfather's inner dialogue

yes, you're right but in the meantime, you talked about JBR trade Because that's out there JBR trade And you said Hall for Larson has been the standard But why couldn't Seth Jones For Ryan Johansson

Be the The bar There you go What do you get for James Van Reemsteg? So who's the guy? Who's the target? Is it a younger guy? Is it somebody James' age? What is it?

I got a great idea for a move In exchange for James Van Riemsdyk The Toronto Maple Leafs receive James Van Riemsdyk Thank you For now Look, they're doing too well Play out the year

I think you play out the year and do it this summer Well, you get more for him now Yeah, I know that I don't know about that I don't think his value goes down You know who you get more for now? Austin Matthews What is his perception that

But what is this perception that because James Van Riemsdyk would play 30 games for you, 35 games for you this year, that he somehow, the difference is going to be astronomical. If you trade him now, not only are you getting 82 games this year, next year, you're getting 30 plus this year. I don't believe that. I don't really think it's going to change a thing. Now, one thing that Elliott Freeman brought up in 30 Thoughts were the fact that I have his Twitter open right now.

Canadian teams might be poised to grab a guy like Kevin Shattenkirk. He says he doesn't want to get traded to the Oilers, or at least that's the rumor, but that might have changed. That's weird. How come still? The Oilers are a funny team. They're a funny team with funny management,

but isn't McDavid alluring? That's not alluring to you at all? I have to tell you, I think he is now, for sure. If I'm Shattenkirk, no, I'm not getting the greatest supporting cast, but I'm the help. I'm the solution. Like

Picture the Oilers with Shattenkirk You'll get paid for it too Yes You'll get paid to beat Handsomely And you got Darnell Nurse Now if you're the Oilers You're not making that trade

Unless You have an extension in place Yeah this is the problem Part of the allure to Edmonton Is all their bright young players And in exchange for Kevin Shattenkirk They will have to give up A bright young player

Would a Would a guy like I'm throwing this out there I'm just Pui Arvi be fair value? Because you have a lot of skilled centermen, or not centermen, you've got a lot of skilled forwards.

There's a lot of Oilers fans who would take that trade. I don't know if it's smart. I don't know if it's smart either, and I'm not saying straight up, but I don't know, I was just throwing that out there, is a Pui Arvi plus or a Shattenkirk plus for Pui, I can't say, I can't see Shattenkirk plus for Pui Arvi, I just can't. I don't know. I think straight up

might actually be closer to reality. If you can get the extension in place. Yeah. Now, the Leafs and Habs have also been named as two potential teams. One thought, there's a thought going around, and it's just a thought, is that— One of 30. Kevin Shattenkirk could be okay with signing a two-year deal where he gets paid an obnoxious amount of money,

or like a short-term deal where he gets paid an obnoxious amount of money for what he is, like overpay him for two years and then you don't then you're not stuck on a long contract in two years he's 30

he can still sign a long term deal so I gotta I gotta I gotta I gotta credit him Jeff Viette brought up

this stupid plan at the World Cup where he thinks the Leafs year to go for it is next year and by the way

he said this before the season began wow give it credit So I'm like, you're an idiot. And that was one of the solutions he brought up. You take Shattenkirk and or some other free agent, like a Joe Thornton. Well, you don't need Joe Thornton. No, but you go, here's 8 million bucks or whatever it is under the cap.

Come win a cup. Let's go. Come win a cup. Let's go. Think about this for just a second. Shattenkirk, two-year deal, $18 million. Okay, so you pay 9 million bucks. Come on!

Okay, no, no, no. Can I talk? Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Two years, 18 million. It's a lot. Sorry.

Sometimes you hear something so ridiculous, you're compelled to just make noises. But it's a two-year deal. And when that two-year deal is up, you got to sign Matthews and Marner. So it leaves you- Which you can. Yes. It leaves you the flexibility to do that. And maybe that player comes back at a discounted rate because like, hey, I just won a cup.

Let's go win a couple more. Or not. How could that be bad? Tell me how that could be bad. Here's why it's bad. How could it be bad? Because the Leafs are making me think Disney movie-ass thoughts. So there's nothing bad about that?

The Leafs are making me think stupid thoughts like this is how they do it. How does that play? This is how they win it. How does that play? This is how. And we get Russell Crowe. We ask if he can still skate from Mystery Alaska. And he's going to play.

No, because he'd bring it off the post at the end. He's going to play Roman Polak. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, well, so he's perfect. And we get, I don't know. who are some of the other we got we got

Matt Martin is played by Sean William Scott I don't know there's not that many actors in Hollywood who can skate think of the defense next year

okay with Shattenkirk A this would work under the cap but B you've got Riley Shattenkirk

you've got Gardner Zaitsev Tarek and whoever and doesn't matter and doesn't matter Frank Corrado

Frank Corrado qualifying yo imagine if he signs with the Leafs again why If they qualify him, he might not have a choice. And that's why you give him the cup first.

Yeah. But think about that. If your power play is Morgan, Riley, and Kevin Fett. Look at the stupid crap we're thinking, though. Imagine it. It's stupid. Is Shad, Kirk, Riley, Gardner? This is all dumb.

You're dumb and we're dumb. Shad and Kirk's dumb. I don't think it's dumb. You're dumb. Everyone's dumb. We need to take a break. Okay. The radio portion's done.

The radio's done? Okay. Well, hey, listen. The show's brought to you by Panago Pizza. So it's on the inside that counts. and I want you to think deep down inside you how great Kevin Shattenkirk would look here for the next couple of years

and then you send him off into the sunset. I'll tell you what's on the inside me. Thoughts of the Leafs Cup in 2018. Jesse, you want to tell us why you think it's stupid? No, I think it's a great idea. Here, let me throw a little wrench in the stupid talk. James Reimer on his way to South Florida right now because his wife is having a baby.

You know what? If that baby is a guy or a girl, they have to name it Steve. Do you have any idea? If they name their kids James, Brian would be the name of his child after Steve Dangle. I would draw on James. Do the right thing.

I would actually drop what I was doing. Like not speak to my wife or bosses and just head to Florida to be with my godson. Or goddaughter. Steve or Stevie? Stephanie. Oh yeah, it could be like Stevie Nicks. Yeah, Stephanie.

Steamy Nicks? Just no. Jesse, let's get back to stupid. Why wouldn't that work? Tell me why it wouldn't Pop the balloon Because we can't have everything we want That's why

Because history has taught me that Other than that Because almost 30 years of pain has taught me that Objectively guys, tell me why that wouldn't work Tell me how that doesn't work for Shattenkirk The Shats I don't have a good answer for you I don't have an answer for you

It's the reason the smile is on my face Jesse, why? No, I agree. Pop this balloon for me. Tell me why it's bad. I want to know. Bullshit, shut up. No, you don't.

It's a great idea. Jesse said off camera that he thought it was stupid. He thought it was stupid. I would never say anything like that. You were exposed. I did say off camera that it was stupid. Why is it stupid good? But I have changed my mind.

In the 30 seconds. As I am allowed to do. And I am not going to argue at this point. A wise man once told me not to argue with fools. That's literally your job Jesse I just want to say that I believe I'm pretty sure it was Jeff and it was the Leafs Nation That pointed this out

I'm pretty sure it was them that pointed this out In a recent article I'm sure he'll promote it Please do Go to LeafsNation.com Because he listens now He didn't listen before No we were bad before

Now we're better We have his blessing Well Jeff I'm with you on the chats I'm calling him the Shats King Shats when he's here but what

King of the Shats no King Shats just King Shats oh my god I can't wait till Kevin Shattenkirk scores a hat trick in game 7

of the Stanley Cup Final and the front page of the Toronto Sun because none of the other papers will have the balls to do it has the headline Shat in the Hat I'd love that

Shat in the hat And it's him With the cup above his head Handing the cup To Frank Corrado If If Kevin Shattenkirk Gets a hat trick

In any of the Stanley Cup final games Will you get a Shat in the hat tattoo? I'll get a Shat in the hat shirt Tattoo Shat in the hat

Yes With a little Shat in the hat and it'll just be it'll no it'll be a cat in the hat but with Kevin Chatt and Kirk's face

yeah the entire thing he'll look like the cat holding the cup above his head there's the tattoo will you get that tattoo if he scores a hat trick in any of the

games in the Stanley Cup finals I'll take that bet yeah sure okay done get it on my bum um

yeah get it on your bum that's good why not yeah why not well there's only one person that's really gonna see that bum for the rest of your life

so I think you'll be alright well so it's It's covered by hair pants. It is covered by hair pants. It wouldn't be for the first while. They have to shave your hair pants for that. No. No, we would just nair it.

Ah, of course. Of course. So anyway, I... Man, I think the Leafs make a... I think the Leafs make a... I wouldn't make the trade for Kevin Shattenkirk. You know what's going to be great? I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't trade. It's going to be great in like two or three weeks. The Leafs go on the slump and we're like, Shit! What now? Oh, they're not going to make it. We were idiots for thinking they could. They are going to go through another slump.

Now, what's a slump? Well, I can almost guarantee this is what Leafs management is thinking right now. Anything close to 500 is going to be perceived as a slump. I can guarantee this is what Leafs management is thinking right now. Okay, so things are going well. But we have a group of players. We have eight rookies that we've played this year. Not one of them has played 82 games in a season.

No. That is a lot of games. A lot of games. And the thing with rookies is around game 60, they start to slow down because of the rule. It's long. It's a rule. Season.

So I think right now they're thinking, okay, so this is great. However, we should expect, and as Leaf fans, we should expect that there is going to be an exhaustion point for these guys. Now, whether or not they can play themselves through that or they have to sit, like, I would not be surprised if Zach Hyman's given a night off, Austin Matthews given a night off, just to go, just relax. I'd be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised. I'd be very surprised.

The Raptors rest their players. That's completely different. Basketball is very different. We're two games away from the Eastern Conference Finals, from the NBA Finals. Completely different. My two problems with the Kevin Shattenkirk Stanley Cup

situation here. One. How are we talking about this? No, we're not talking about that anymore. I asked you to argue this point, now you're You cannot argue this now. The arguing has closed. There shouldn't be a year. Order!

Let him speak. There shouldn't be a year where you're going for the cup. It should just be you have a good team and you're consistent. It shouldn't be, okay, this year we're going to load up and go for it. Tell that to the Blackhawks. That's not how they operate. They've operated, we've got our six best players, and every year we're just going to retool and build around them.

But here's the thing, though. what does it cost the Leafs other than money term Kevin Shattenkirk two years he's not accepting

a two year deal apparently he might he might there's actually was it a report there is a report out of was it Freach

no it was it was from the from TSN Cervelli apparently Frank Cervelli that there was

there is a rumor that he would accept that to go to a great team for a couple short seasons and then sign a long term deal Because he'd still only be 30. That doesn't make sense. Not for him, but who cares if he wants to accept it.

He's not going to do it for himself because it doesn't make sense. Your rumor, did it come out of his mouth? No. It's not going to happen. The term you're talking about is not an issue because the Leafs won't sign him to that. And then they won't get him. Right. Fine.

And that's fine. Okay. But no, the scenario we're talking about, you're deviating from the scenario. The scenario is they give him a bunch of money for two years. That's the scenario. I have to argue the scenario because it's never going to happen. But we're not arguing the scenario. This is the scenario.

He would accept that. I agree with you, Jesse. I can't argue the scenario because I don't agree with the scenario. That's my point. The difference we have is the language. You say it's never going to happen. I say it's unlikely to happen. A two-year deal is not going to happen.

It's a tasty little thought, man. If they want to sign him. for five years. I could live with that. I could live with Shattenkirk for five years. Actually, I probably wouldn't

because then you still have to sign Matthews and Marner and Nylander and you need that money. Yeah. In three years. And you know what? You've got a guy like

Travis Dermott coming out. I'm not saying Travis Dermott is Kevin Shattenkirk. We don't know. But you do have some young defensemen there that are pretty good. And whoever they draft this year.

Yeah, and you might not need to. And next year. Yeah, like, I mean, if they're, I don't know that,

I don't know that you can expect the issue, If they draft between picks 10 and 20 this year, for instance, I don't think you can expect a player like that to just jump right in the NHL, can you? Here's an interesting thought, and actually building off of that. Let's say the Leafs are in genuine Stanley Cup contention in three years, let's say, before.

That defenseman, if you're going to develop them yourself, would be ready. Has to already be in your system. Already. Or this year. Or drafted this year. They'll be so young. They'll be 21.

Morgan Rielly was good. You're not getting a Morgan Rielly. No, but we're talking about someone who changes the look of the team. Maybe you get like a Zach Wawrenski. And... Or a Goss... Goss... Gossesby here.

Gosses... Ghost is whatever. You know, maybe you get a player... Maybe you luck into a player like that. I think the odds of you achieving that are the same odds you have of signing Kevin Shattenkirk to a two-year expensive deal. So this is the interesting thing. I think if they're going to get this mythical player that fans keep talking about, they've got to trade for him. And then all of a sudden the JVR argument becomes better.

For Shattenkirk, it makes sense. Not for Shattenkirk, just for a defenseman. Question. Anyone. Question, question here. Unless, Jesse, did you want to say something to add to that? I just think it's never happened in any of the pro sports leagues where a 27-year-old has taken a two-year deal.

Oh, a 27-year-old. I was thinking about when Paul Correa and Taimou Solani joined the Avalanche. Yeah. And somehow didn't win all the cups. A 27-year-old turning down seven years. Yeah, that would be pretty dumb. Listen. And yet?

I would still like it to happen. No! I had a huge chunk of gel in my hair and none of you told me. Some friends you are. Didn't know. Didn't know. Didn't look that close at your hair. looks great though

it was behind me maybe I couldn't see the clay in my hair the same way Jesse can't see why Kevin Chattenkirk

would join the Leafs can I tell you how I think this is gonna go how is this gonna go can you guys get off your computer and put your phone down please

how is this gonna go when I bring up my phone right away jerk go ahead talk Adam I don't think the Leafs window is just gonna be

three years and then it's done I think like the Hawks and like the Kings It will be multiple windows I agree

That's why there's no go for it The beautiful thing About Signing a short Expensive deal And the Leafs are the perfect team for it The beautiful thing about it Is it costs you

Nothing And But how do Now here's my question Okay Jesse To Jesse's point Does it make sense

For a guy like Kevin Shattenkirk Not to sign a seven year Fifty million dollar No absolutely not How do you Alright So if you didn't like those How do you convince a guy

To do it You'll win You don't So you don't Or you'll win Hey buddy Just try Don't you wanna win

I am Lou Amorello Don't you wanna win And you've never said no to me In my lifetime I am Lou Amorello And I'm ordering you To put together a presentation What's your

What's your main point Of your sales pitch To Kevin Shattenkirk Aren't you sick of always Getting your teeth kicked in In the playoffs With the stupid St. Louis Blues

Come join a winner baby Jesse I look at one of my wingers and I trade him for a defenseman that we can use when we are ready that's a maybe

that's a maybe much more likely situation I don't know about that it is no it's a more likely situation it's far more likely but how

what's the quality of that defenseman going to be I'm just arguing the odds of something happening we have not talked about the Leafs this way

in the existence of the show no it's nice isn't it I haven't spoken about the Leafs this way since high school I said to Jesse when I came in today, I'm like, my day rules today.

The last time I talked about the Leafs this way, Bush was in his first term. Yeah. I had a Grammys meeting earlier today. I have this, I get the show, and then I'm going to go home and watch the Leafs tonight. Like, that is my day. What a damn good day that is. It's the best. It's the best.

It's the best. I'm going to watch them tonight. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to watching the Leafs. I used to be like, I'm sorry, honey, I have to put on the Leafs game. Now it's like, honey, I'm putting on the Leafs game. She's like, okay, cool. Last season I would get home

And be like Oh the Leaf game's on tonight Like I wouldn't know About the Leaf game Until like an hour Before it came on Last year Let me ask you this

Last year Do you ever turn your TV on And go Oh there's a game tonight Now I know And who they're playing And what it is Fuck yeah

And who's starting And everything Yeah Breaking it all down Cause last year I was like Well we won't get too attached To this guy

Cause we know he's gone I wanna know Who Kevin Shattenkirk Has performed the best against Over his career and then again a week from now

it will all change a week from now two weeks but you know what it's fun to have these conversations ain't it ain't it

you know what I think it'll feel more real when if sorry if the Leafs slow down and they're still where they are

yeah yeah that's a good point that will be because we're waiting to be we're waiting to get sobered up a bit yeah

if they have a stretch of like 15 games where they're 500 and they're still like second in the Atlantic? Playoffs are like a foregone conclusion at this point.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Thank you. Jesse, Adam, what time of the show is it? Mark this clip for when they inevitably

botch it now. One hour in. You son of a... Almost to the minute. Son of a gun. If we're being realistic, playoffs are just guaranteed. And then,

Once we're in Who knows Eighth seeds can Do whatever they want Maybe a sixth seed Cadry scored There's no way They goofed this lead up

There's no way Yeah Hey Did you guys know That Vinny Viola Punched a guy Oh yeah I heard about that

Friend of a friend Of the show Vinny Viola Friend of a friend That's That's scary That's nuts That's nuts

Two degrees We are two degrees Removed from Vinny Viola from Trump. This is the most rich person story I've ever heard. It is.

This does not happen to you unless you're worth at least $20 million. There are so many... Mrs. Angle loves watching rich people drama shows. And every time they get into an argument,

every time the Kardashians have an argument, I'm like, you don't need to be having this argument. You're all rich. You don't need to be having this argument.

Do you think you have problems? Just enjoy being rich. Yeah, just get along. Just get along. Oh, someone said something bad about you? Who cares? You're rich. Give us the shit.

I'm rich. You know what? When you're that rich, if someone says something bad about you, you send them a bouquet of flowers with a picture of you giving them the finger. Yeah. With diamonds in it. Who cares? You're rich.

It's like the South Park movie where it's like, hey, Billy, what sucks about being a bald man? Nothing. Did they get bombed? Like, it's true. All right. Now, Vincent Viola. And Jesse did say this

Oh when he's in trouble it's Vincent You know by the way Vincent Viola We are three degrees removed from Donald Trump this show Because we know the guy Who knows the guy Who knows Donald Trump Who's making him the secretary of the army

That's We are two degrees removed from the secretary of the army From the United States of America Vinny can you deliver this message to your boss? You're a dick Go ahead So Vinny Vincent advised

That'll show him I bet that'll hurt his feelings All of a sudden there's going to be a tweet Heard about the Steve Dangle podcast Not a good show, tanking in the ratings Bias, fake news Wrong, fake Michael Froelich is not an all-star

Fake news That's true In the narrative at the Saratoga Springs PD Police Department Vinny Viola tells a responding officer That his wife Teresa told him That an unnamed worker had pushed her while she was trying to get water

for a woman who had fainted. Later in the night, Vincent found the worker and allegedly punched him. And where did this all occur? You tell me, Adam, because it's the best. This all occurred... Where all rich people get into fights? A horse auction.

She punched a guy at a horse auction. No poor people are doing that. Literally, he's there to spend obnoxious amounts of money. On a horse. On a horse. and then just look at it like a boat. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I own 14 horses. I never see them.

Because rich people who buy horses, they're not taking care of the horse, right? They hire people to take care of the horse, and then they stud the horse, and they make money off the studding, right? I don't know. I'm not rich, Adam. I don't know.

I don't know how to make money off of a horse. I would put a leash on it and take it for a walk. I don't know. What do you do with a horse? I'm never going to own one. I think my favorite part about this report is that the man pushed the woman, and then later in the night,

like Vinny planned this for a while and then allegedly and then went after and it was like that's a Dave Chappelle sketch when keeping it real goes wrong because at the time you know honey he probably just bumped into you it was probably nothing and then later in the night when you

get drunk at the horse auction like one does fuck that you shoved my wife at a horse auction I don't like people playing on my phone. I don't like people shoving my wife at a horse auction.

It sounds made up. Yeah, it's a Dave Chappelle sketch. It definitely is. Literally, isn't there a Twitter account called White People, and it's just like, what stupid white people do? There's a blog.

There's shit white people like, and it says Abercrombie horse auction. I mean, really, not to be stereotypical, but being completely stereotypical here. That's the whole blog. It's stereotypical. Here's okay.

The next piece of fun news I have for you is do you know the name Sidney Ponson? Are we going to get to Francesco? Oh yeah. I'm saving him for last because he's the favorite. I know where this is going and it's Do you ever see how dumb certain people are like the person

that we're about to refer to? and you go, how did you make it? How did you, like, life on earth is hard. Yeah. How did you make it? You're old. It used to be you wouldn't get to being old. It used to be you washed out.

Sidney Ponson is a career, like, he's like a, I think he's like 91 and 111 in his total MLB career. Mediocre MLB pitcher. But had the stuff to be a great pitcher, word was he just didn't take care of himself. Oh, I don't know. I had not heard of this person. Now, yesterday, Tim Raines was among those elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Tim Raines, former Expo great, deservedly so. Ridiculous that it took his 10th year, till his elimination year, to not get in. Or, sorry, to get in, so thank God. Oh, is there a cutoff? There is a cutoff. 10 years, and then you don't make it. Or if you get less than 5% on the ballot. And you can never come back.

Which I think is dumb. But anyway. Kurt Schilling gets a tweet because Kurt Schilling I believe finished 7th and did not make it the top 3 guys made it

10th 10th in voting and it's from Sidney Ponson former teammate Sidney Ponson and it says congrats on the

hall of fame now and then so Kurt Schilling instantly without looking at the twitter account retweets him and goes

is this the fat ass underachieving former MLB pitcher who pissed away a potentially hall of fame career well done hashtag lazy ass

underachiever wow and then Savage he went for the yeah he went he went Trump he went Trump

and then hashtag sad yeah and then Sidney Ponce and then he tweeted Sidney Ponce directly who's at

by the way at Sidney Ponce on Twitter and says are you the real Sidney Ponce did you actually play MLB

and this guy named David writes him and he goes hey he's got 43 followers pretty sure it's a fake account

and Kirk goes it's not his tweets are about as stupid as the stuff he said in real life and then another guy goes then maybe it's him with the happy like hilarious laughing face and then Curt Schilling's like it is him no debate or verification needed

and then somebody named Goodell is a clown wrote it says on his page that this is not the real Sidney Ponce zone and then Curt Schilling writes back don't care I know for a fact that it is So one of the greatest baseball players of all time got into an argument with a fake Twitter account? No, this is what I'm saying.

At some point, Curt Schilling needed, like, a good coach to become great. Yes. Right? Which means he had to listen to a human being and follow that person's instructions. How did he... Darwinism has so many filters! And he went through all of them to become great. He jumped all the hoops.

And now that he's not throwing a baseball, we go, how the fuck is this guy a human being? It's not a left or a right thing. How do we combat as a society? Even a person on the right-hand side of the political spectrum could say, that was pretty dumb. Right? You don't need to be a conservative to say, fuck that. I know it's Sidney Ponceau. He could be Keith Olbermann saying that.

It's not a conservative, this is an intelligence thing. It's not a left or right thing, it's an intelligence thing. How do we as a society combat this huge, passionate, growing, ever-expanding faction of people who just say, fuck that, to everything. The earth is flat, dinosaurs never existed, the earth is 5,000 years old. How do we combat these people? They won't listen, you're not allowed to kill anybody, so how do you do it? How do you do it?

How do you teach the unteachable? I have an answer for that. It used to be they got washed out by either they couldn't survive or someone came and murdered you because there was a revolution. I got it. So how do you do it? Let them turn on themselves. The healthcare is too good.

These people make it. They make it, Adam. They're turning on themselves. No, they make it. Kurt Schilling is going to be 90 and they're going to invent some kind of drugs that allow him to be fertile his entire life. He's going to meet some other woman and he's going to have 30 kids with this person

and then he's going to have a generation of idiots. He's had kids. This is how idiocracy happens. There's this frigging, oh, so-and-so, he impaled his scrotum on a fence, but thanks to innovations in medicine, he'll be fine. Oh, get your hands off my junk.

And then he has more kids and then it's 500 years from now and we're dealing with a garbage avalanche. This is life! Donald Trump's getting sworn in tomorrow! What the fuck? You deduced all this from the Sidney Ponzo conversation? Because, you know why?

Because we look at Curt Schilling and we pat him on the head and we go, look at this one-off crazy lunatic. Millions! There are so many Curt Schillings in the world! And they all make it. They make it. healthcare's too good we know how to do

too much shit they all make it I'm concerned for the future is all I'm saying except for the fact that the Leafs are gonna win the cup that's the only thing

I'm sure of this year this year with Kevin Chat and Kirk somehow hey hey the Leafs owe Austin Matthews

how old is Kirk Schilling hey Austin Matthews is a Toronto Maple Leaf he is okay that makes me feel better just

calm down Austin Matthews according to Mike Harrington is better than Jack Eichel I got so many tweets after last podcast from Americans going yeah we don't know

how it works either how could they he made it to a half century that dumb he did that used to not be allowed would you like Mike Francesa to explain emojis to you

for the love of God do you want it please I think you're gonna like this clip So this is a conversation, just to give you some context here, a listener's calling about a Chevy commercial where he's heard the word emoji. Okay. Can I ask you a quick question here? I keep on hearing yesterday and all day today this stupid emoji or whatever.

What the heck is that? Does that have something to do with the Twitter? It has something to do with Chevrolet. With Chevrolet? Yes. What is it? It's a Chevy commercial. I can't figure it out.

What is an emoji? Yeah, what the heck is it? It's that little thing on your computer. You know the little guy? If you get somebody sends you a message, do you have a text message? That's not bad. Yeah, of course. Wait, Paul, Paul, Paul.

When someone sends you like, do you have a text message? Do you have a text message? Yeah, of course. All right. When someone sends you like a thumbs up or something like that, you know how someone does that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an emoji.

Hold on. Oh, so there's like a whole screen you push the buttons or something? No, that thing is called an emoji. That little thing you see is an emoji. So he's like, yeah, yeah, I got it. No, no, you don't got it. The best part of Mike is his listeners. That guy's not asking that question genuinely.

He's screwing with Mike. Are you sure? I don't know. I think he's screwing with Mike and he's doing it magnificently. Listen to his voice. Listen to the little stutters. he's searching in his mind for ways to screw with them

point out Jesse and I will be quiet point out where you think you hear the guy messing with Mike okay can I ask you a quick question here

I keep on hearing yesterday and all day today this stupid emoji or whatever what the heck is that does that have something to do with the Twitter it has something to do with

Chevrolet does that have something to do with the Twitter I don't think which is how what Bill Belichick is I don't care what's said on Snap Face

about me oh my god that's what he said And that's what you were going to rant about with Bill Belichick last episode. Yeah, and, okay, you know what I realized after the fact? I wasn't angry at Bill Belichick. I was angry at people who thought Bill Belichick was being hilarious by using a joke. Oh, snap face!

Snap face, boy! Okay, are you going to write an article every time your dad or uncle makes that joke? Every adult over 45 makes that joke. You're not funny. And he's not funny. A little guy, like if you get somebody's... Look at this mundane exchange, is what that article should have been called. Gives a shit.

sends you a message. Do you have a text message? Yeah, of course. When someone sends you a thumbs up or something like that, you know how someone does that? Go back to, do you have a text message? Listen to how the guy says, yeah, of course.

If you get somebody sends you a message, do you have a text message? Yeah, of course. When someone sends you a thumbs up or something like that? I don't know how you can tell when someone's saying something with a smile. No.

No, man, I don't think he's... He's going, oh, shit, here we go. I got it. I got it, I got it. I think it was a genuine, of course. I think it was genuine. All right, keep going. I think it was genuine.

No, I got another clip for you. Okay. And this is another good one. Do you have a clip? I do have a clip. No, no, he was like, do you have a radio? Do you have a voice? Yeah, of course.

How do you make it this far and not know what emoji is, by the way? What rock are you living under? you'd be surprised I know I would be now do you remember and we didn't get to this clip at the time and I sort of wish we had to play this clip but there was a time a while back

where Mike Francesa made a huge stink about a game between I believe it was the Giants and the Dallas Cowboys and they said the I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it was these guys I might be wrong Jesse if you don't mind looking up look up Mike Francesa

weather report Because he's talking about the weather For this particular NFL team And he's going Oh my god The weather's going to be A huge factor in this game But the team that was playing

Had a covered dome Oh no So he's like He goes on for like five minutes But whoa What a huge factor It's going to be The weather's going to be terrible

They're not used to playing in it So somebody calls him Yesterday and goes Mike Staten Island What's up Mike Yeah Mike For a long time What's my first time caller

Pleasure to speak to you What's up Yeah, what type of effect do you think the weather is going to have on the Knick game tonight? Mike in Babylon, what's up, Mike? He just moves up. Don't be mean. Don't be mean. Do you know how long his screener got berated for that call?

Oh, my God. See, here's the thing between us and Mike. Here's the difference between us and Mike. We're just as dumb. Let's not pretend like we're not. We would make that mistake. we would make a mistake similar to that. The difference is we go,

look at us being idiots. What makes Mike so fun is he... He doubles down. He does not have a sense of humor about it. I am Mike effing Francesa. How dare you speak to me that way? I am a radio god. How dare you?

So here's the original clip. Thank you, Jesse, for finding this. It is Mike Francesa's weather report, which will make that Knicks game thing make a lot more sense. and it's between the Cowboys and the Bucs, so both warm-weather teams, warm-weather climates, and it's in Dallas, and Dallas had a cold snap recently.

Frigid conditions. Same thing tonight in Dallas. 26 degrees at kickoff, 10-mile-an-hour winds, something those players from Tampa and Dallas are not used to, something those quarterbacks, both southern quarterbacks, not used to. 10-mile-an-hour winds, 26 degrees, wind chill down in the teens for the Cowboys and the Buccaneers tonight. Now, Dallas, 19 degrees with 14 mile-an-hour winds.

At game time, it will feel like five degrees. You got two quarterbacks from Mississippi and from Florida playing in that game tonight. So who holds on to the football? I don't think you have to worry about the kid from Ohio State. but you have to worry about the kids from the south holding onto that ball tonight so 7 degrees

in Dallas Dallas that's going to be pretty cold for Dallas I'll tell you right now they're not used to that they're not used to that kind of weather when I went to Dallas and they had that ice storm my god the city was paralyzed for 3 days and then they have

thanks to at sports funhouse on twitter they have my clips every single day but they end the clip with just AT&T Stadium just like with the cover group and I have to say you're absolutely right

Steve we are we would make that sort of mistake too for sure we've done it we've done it and we would make

the entire next show about how dumb we are we could we could make a week's episodes worth of how dumb the dumb moments

but I just I just for some reason Mike is just so funny about it he's just so so great he hangs up on the call

also he's acting there like these quarterbacks have never played in the cold ever in their lives. They'll just die. Just because you're from Florida, if you're a good enough player to play in the NFL, chances are you were on a traveling school

all the way from probably middle school to high school to wherever you went to university. So if you're in university, you're traveling around. You're playing other places. Who are the two teams? It was Dallas and... So it was James Winston versus Tamper. So it was James Winston of Tamper.

And who was the quarterback that did really well this year for Dallas and then they lost in the first round? Dez? Not Dez, Brian. He's not a quarterback. I don't remember The guy that replaced Tony Romo I don't watch football

I forget Whoever replaced Tony Romo Not Tony Romo Yeah The unromo Dax Dax Prescott That's it

See I knew I was close There you go There you go I'm proud So yeah How confident are you In your Steelers this weekend If I'm being objectively honest

I think they have a 40% shot They're gonna lose Anytime And knowing nothing About the teams by the way Anytime there's like A giant controversy with like a weak lead up

that team loses and then they blame the controversy for them losing Antonio Brown man watching well first off did you guys see

Mike Tomlin's press conference after that I heard it he like no no you need to see Mike Tomlin's face I don't think I've ever

seen two he's got those crazy eyes he's got the David Clarkson eyes to the max worse yeah and like

it was inconsiderate it was against league policy it was against team policy and we will deal with it internally like it was like wow Mike Tom is not a guy you want to make mad

because he seems mad all the time. Antonio Brown is lucky he's a star. Yes. Otherwise, he wouldn't be playing in this game. No, no. Well, and I think, too, what they told him was, listen, because the Steelers have a thing. You want to be a Steeler?

This is what it requires. If you don't, we'll trade you. And I'm pretty sure what they told him was, we'll trade you and it won't be nice. We'll trade you somewhere bad. Oh, he's still playing in L.A. next year. Well, exactly, right? We'll set you up with Jared Goff

and see how your next contract negotiation goes, basically, right? So I think, and nothing against Jared Goff, he could turn into something. I don't think so. Sounds like it's against Jared Goff. I think, honestly, I think the Patriots have played better. The Steelers have won nine games in a row, which is pretty good. But they have had some parts of this year where they haven't played great. So I would love to see the Patriots lose.

There's not a fiber in my being that would love that more. And by the way, Patriots fans, don't hate tweet me for that. Y'all know you're the most sensitive fan base in the NFL. They are, besides Cowboys fans. You guys won everything, and yet you're still insanely sensitive. Why would you cheer for the Yankees? Unless you're from New York. Everybody cheers for the Patriots.

Unless you're from New England, why would you cheer for the... Because they win. They win, I get it. But listen, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady are cheaters and liars, and they've been caught multiple times. But everyone cheats. My favorite, if you're not cheating, you're not trying. That's just a clever way of saying you're a bad person.

Yeah. Or like, what was it from that movie in the 80s with Michael Douglas? Greed is good. Greed is good. And that's a movie character. Yeah. But it was like, you know, what was that called? It's not a role model for children. Exactly. So I think it's a, I would love to see the Steelers win. I think they do have a shot, but I definitely think the Patriots, if we're being honest here, I think the Patriots are favored for a reason. But I do think the Steelers could actually walk in there and win. I do believe it. Knowing nothing about football, I think the Patriots will win four footballs to three. I also think, man, unless I'm wrong, Jesse, you can hate on me,

but I don't think the Falcons stand a chance against Aaron Rodgers at this point. Like who's on the Patriots? Adam, do you have a football? Do you have a football? Tamper. Tamper. Tamper. I don't know.

Do you think? No, it'll be a Green Bay, New England Super Bowl, and Tom Brady will walk away with another Super Bowl ring. I would really love for it to be Green Bay Steelers again. because Green Bay Steelers happened in 2011 as well and Green Bay won and it was

and I had mono at the time so it sucked not only that I have mono but the Steelers lost I just love the Super Bowl because I can have all the wings I want

and no one's gonna judge me yeah and nachos and nachos and food yeah you have license to eat garbage whereas now

Mrs. Dangle give me like crap for it will she? yeah she just you know she wants me to be a you know

hunky I guess she's yeah she's made it She's made an investment in you, so she wants that investment to continue to... I don't blame her. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I mean, the holidays were about a month ago, and she got my progress report, and it was not good.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It is. And people are like, oh, pick out for the holidays and start in January. January is like the most depressing month. No one wants to go to the gym in January. Man, as someone who goes to the gym at least semi-regularly, the difference between the first week of January and the second...

Like, it's not even a month for it to drop off. No. It's immediate. It's like people go January 2nd, and then they stop. And then you see them again January 2nd. And then you see, yeah, you see them 365 days later, sometimes 366. You know what? I find the gym the busiest, yeah.

First week back from January, and second week back from school, when all the kids go back. Yeah. Like, in September. So the kids go back, then there's like this grace period where everybody's getting their things. I'm going back to the gym. it's going to be a brand new me next summer because I'm tired of being flabby on the beach

and that's when they go and then they go for a couple weeks like you said and it falls off again nothing and right now so it's our gym is two floors the first floor has like all the equipment like all the weights you know the leg curls

and all the free weights and you know you do your California workout and all that crap the top floor where they have all the training stuff like the rowing machine and like punching bags and bags you can kick

and we have turf up there and like a weight sled and the battle ropes and all that. No one's using any of that crap. No one. I've talked about education on the show.

Like no one knows how to work out. No. Like no one. My favorite. I mean, I'm one to judge. No, me neither. But my favorite vines

are the ones of people working out incorrectly and CrossFit fails are my favorite. I feel bad for those folks Because they don't know They're getting recorded When the person's at the

Freaking At the tricep machine And they're Like this Jumping And Oh my god And they see this

And that's what happens They No one's taught them So they walk up to this machine And I go I think And then they just give it a shot God

If anybody Listening to us Works at one of like Like a globo gym You know what I mean Or planet fitness Planet fitness I would love

Globo gym is actually from That's why I use that Because it's not a real gym Yeah I was about to say Is that from Dodgeball? Is that from Dodgeball? But if you work at one of those, I'm sure you have the best stories. If you could send us some of those stories, I would love to read them.

That's why my back is messed up, man. I was 13 years old. I started going to the gym by myself. Didn't ask anyone to show me how to do anything. And I just worked out, worked out, worked out. Didn't do any stretches. And I've mangled my back. That was 15 years ago.

We have semi-breaking news. The Florida Panthers say that Huberto and Barkov could miss the rest of the year. Whoa. Oh, they're toast You're done Whoa So take the Panthers out of the playoff race Has Barkov even

Was it Huberto that got injured before the first game? Yes Yeah, Huberto hasn't played a game Yeah Wow And then Barkov was out since December 28th What happened to Huberto? It was the Leafs

Yeah, Barkov got hurt versus the Leafs I think he blocked a shot I don't remember Wow They're toast You're done Oh, that sucks You know who that sucks for?

Tomro Yeah buddy you're so boned oh no and they just got rid of Seth Griffith too they did that's a bit weird well got rid of they put him on waivers maybe someone will scoop them up I don't know wow they're toast they're how do you come back from that I don't know that's their top two centers isn't it uh well their center and their left wing is one of them oh is Huberto a winger yeah Huberto's a Oh, see, I remember him from junior

I thought he was a center Maybe I'm wrong there, too I'll double check Put it this way, that's like two-thirds of Or at least one-third of your top six Holy smokes Yeah, left wing That's two-thirds of your top line

That's really bad Yeah, they're toast They're toast I mean, they might hang on for a little bit, but Kevin Shattenkirk, two years Good for the league That's conference I don't even care if I get hate tweets about that

You know what's amazing? You know who I get angry tweets from? Oiler fans who think that Shattenkirk-Pull-Yarvey deal is a bad idea I think that's what I'm going to get I think that's going to be the I mean it's one thing if you don't think it's Equal value

Like it's another People No but people don't make it like that Adam is not totally off on this one I think he might be a little off but he's not totally off there's something there

personal most people though when they don't like what you say it's a personal attack it's like your mother is a bad person

and I don't like your idea for that trade she obviously raised you like shit yeah shit for brains you can't eat with a knife and fork

also Kevin Shattenkirk and Jesse Pugliarvi is not a fair trade Orange Joe 24 writes quick pitch

instead of three on three and the shootout how about multi-puck mode with three pucks. It's multi-puck time. Every 30 seconds,

they release a new puck. And it pops up from the center of the ice like freaking air hockey. And it should glow like the old Fox pucks did. There you go. Yeah, oh,

and they're all different colors? Yeah. Oh! Jan Van Riemszak has the purple puck! But in comes Eric Carlson with the green puck! Who will make it first?

They both score, but who went in first? And then we need video review to see who scored first. And then we need to rank colors. Then we need to rank colors of which color means the most. So if a red puck scores and a blue puck scores and the red puck is worth more. That one's worth like four goals and that's two goals.

A siren goes off. Oh, Marner's got the Uber puck. The Leafs win by three goals in overtime. And by the way, the pucks all have to be German names. German and Austrian names. The Uber puck. Uber schnatter. The schaden puck.

I'm just trying to think of German words The Gesundheit Alright, go Cremania asks If the Leafs and the Blue Jackets Meet in the playoffs Does the CWHL have to relinquish the naming rights To the Clarkson Cup

Our questions have stopped being questions And just like funny things people are going to come up with Here's a funny thought No, no, here's my question what will be the weather that night and how will it affect the game yeah man

Clarkson's out the whole year isn't he I think so that doesn't matter you can still call it that the Clarkson Cup I like that they should sit

Clarkson and Nathan Horton together in the stands that's so rude for the game why no one's in the studio with us while we record but I'm half expecting

the phone to ring any second now and it's just Sasky bullshit yeah really That is ours! That's funny. Someone's asking,

the camera you guys record with is always pointing in the same direction. What's on the other side of the room? There's nothing there. You want to know? It's a gray wall, like the one you're looking at. There you go, Steve.

Okay. Now make sure it's in focus when you bring it back. I don't know. How's that? It'll be fine. It'll be fine. That's fine.

We'll survive. We're not known for our visual gymnastics when it comes to the YouTube channel quite yet. Oh, it's on an angle? How did that happen? Anybody listening? If you're going to watch the YouTube feed, just expect it to be slightly on an angle at this point.

That looks good. That looks great. That looks better than before. I just spat everywhere. I'm sorry. It's okay. Well, it's getting close to 2.30. Should we talk about just how amazing my tray tree is? Oh, no, no, we're going to do another question.

No, that was the final question. Oh, okay. So how amazing is your trade tree, Steve? Man, it is so good. So it's Brian Leach. Yes, so it's Brian Leach. One of the forgotten buys, like late season buys that the Leafs had. Brian Leach, Ron Francis, Phil Housley, Doug Gilmore.

They did all those names. It's ironic that you said those three names because I said in the article, like Brian Leach was probably the biggest of those acquisitions. Meanwhile, everyone's like, oh, remember when they got Ron Francis? Remember when they had Doug Gilmore for literally five minutes? And Phil Housley played like two games like garbage because he was old? And hurt. Everyone forgets about Brian Leach, who in the 15 games he played with the Leafs was a point-of-game player.

He was outstanding. 15 points in 15 games as a defender. Not that you're shocked because it's Brian Leach. And then in the playoffs, he added another eight points in 13 games. Pretty sure he retired after that year. No. He didn't. Now this is the beautiful thing

So I won't spoil the whole thing You're going to need to read the article Almost every aspect of the trade Going to the Leafs and going to the Rangers Ended in disappointment Ended in disappointment And the thought of what could have been So here's the thing Adam

The Leafs give up Or the Leafs get Brian Leach and a fourth In exchange for A forward prospect A defensive prospect A first round pick And a second round pick Wow

A king's ransom Wow King's ransom Forward prospect doesn't pan out Defensive prospect doesn't pan out And they trade him The first round pick and second round pick I won't explain

I'll leave that for you to read in the article But that's okay because Brian Leach is not a rental He's got an extra year Brian Leach has an extra year He is signed through the 2004-2005 season. Here's the problem. There was no 2004-2005 season because of the stupid MF bleep bleeping lockout.

Did you have NHL 2005? Because I did. I did not. I had 2006, which to this day I think might be one of the best. I thought 2005 was pretty good too. One of the Sedins is on the front. Or both. Daniel.

Okay, so Daniel's on the front. Jesus. Good, Jesse. Wow. That was lightning. The Leafs are loaded. Loaded. They're unbelievable.

Ron Francis, Brian Leach, and there's like, I mean, obviously, McKay was at the top of his game. You had Sundin still. Cabriolet. Like, you had, that's a great team. And they're one of the highest rated teams in that game. Yeah, and it's not like fully crustified Ed Balfour. It's like still got a little bit Ed Balfour.

Now, so Leach had a year left. Now, here's what I looked at. Because basically, and you'll realize this if you read it. In the end the Leafs gave up nothing Well sorry The Rangers got nothing out of what the Leafs gave them That doesn't mean the Leafs gave up nothing They gave up two prospects

A first and a second That's a lot So four prospects Yeah Yeah That's a lot Now The first round pick was a first

In 2004 Now here's what I always try to figure out When the Leafs trade a first Or a second One of the top two rounds I try to go Here's who the Leafs could have drafted Now what you can say

In almost every trade tree I've written Is okay so like when they drafted Carl Pelash in the second round I tried to defend it And they missed out on Mike Camilleri Well the Leafs were never going to draft Mike Camilleri They wanted a defenseman This is why you don't draft for position You draft for the best player available

And worry about position later But because we know that they're doing that We can confidently say Like the Leafs first four picks that year Were defensemen So we can confidently say they were drafting defense. Camilleri was never going to get picked. So did they miss out on Camilleri?

Yeah, I guess. But they were never going to draft him anyway. 2004 is very different. 2004, the Leafs give up their first round pick, 24th overall. And the Leafs need a goalie. And we can tell this because there's evidence in their draft behavior. Ed Balfour is super old. In 2004, the Leafs' first pick was 90th overall in the third round

You know who they picked? Justin Pogge The next year, in 2005, the Leafs did have their first round pick Tuukka 21st overall, they picked, er, something like that They picked Tuukka Rask So the Leafs needed a goalie They needed a goalie

So it is reasonable to believe that in 2004, if the Leafs had their first pick They would have picked a goalie The Leafs give up the 24th overall pick to the Rangers Rangers flip it to Calgary Calgary drafts this guy named Chris Chukko Great name Two picks after that 26th overall

The Vancouver Canucks select Corey Schneider And the Leafs need a goalie bad Now here's part of the reason why I think they felt comfortable Giving up that first And why they might not have drafted Corey Schneider in the first place Or if they had drafted Corey Schneider They would have traded him instead of Tuka Rask

So it would have been the Schneider for Raycroft trade When the Leafs made the Rask for Raycroft trade Schneider still had a year left at Boston College They wanted help now So it's just An interesting little look At how Like just the ripple effects

These trade trees are like one of my favorite things that I do Because I find out ridiculous crap all the time You're going to want to read this one Because there's a couple articles linked to it That are definitely worth your time as well When is it up? It's up. Oh.

It's up. It got published right before the show. Fun fact, Marcus Naslin was on the cover of NHL. Marcus Naslin. 20, 2005. Marky Naslin. Not Daniel Sabian. You fail.

I failed. I thought he was on 2006. Nope. No, that was Vinny LeCavalier, I think. Vincent LeCavalier, NHL 06. I just want to let you guys know, too, I just got a tweet from Chris O'Hara. What were you wrong about? Nothing.

I retweeted something that he was wrong about. I retweeted something that said, and I'm going to read this out to you because I think the stat's amazing, and it's even more amazing now that he's brought it up. That's good that he did it publicly. He said, hey, fun fact, not since January 7th have all three of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander have been held pointless. Matthews has 26 slash 42, I don't know. 26 goals, 42 points.

42 points. Marner, 21, 42. Nylander, 24, 42. No, that can't be it. No, that's wrong. here's the thing first part of the thing yeah that's irrelevant

to it irrelevant let's leave the second tweet I don't know what I don't know if he's I don't know what he means by the slashes whatever it doesn't matter

it might be 42 games irrelevant no it is I think it's 42 games okay but Chris Chris tweeted this he's like yeah

not since January 7th oops and then he tweeted me later oops you retweeted that sorry what I meant was December 7th oh that's pretty amazing

that those three guys I one time said something on Twitter that I repeated something that I had heard on the radio and it ended up being super duper wrong

and I started making all these assumptions based on the wrong information I was given ah I've never been there I don't know what that's like

so I got I got yeah yeah so I got jumped on hard I got flamed and like flamed by like

legitimate writers too oh wow the person who was wrong on the radio DM'd me I won't say who it was but the person who was wrong

on the radio dm'd me and they're like oh yeah sorry about that i was wrong oh and i'm like you know what would be super if you said that to all your thousands of followers who now think i'm a dick my favorite did my favorite steve dangle was wrong story was when you ran into primetime sports to tell them that someone got traded and then it never happened because somebody was fucking with you yeah it almost went to air that was different though oh yeah i almost ruined bob mccallan's uh reputation and oh steve how could you know legitimately i almost fucked up for a long time but that's that's on an old podcast i don't know which one do we know which one i don't know yada yada yada i told i told short story yeah short story is i directly told bob mccowan to

his face that brian burke had quit his job with the anaheim ducks when he had not who gave you the source one of the other interns and he was just fucking with you yeah he pointed up at the tv and brian burke was at a press conference and i was going to get bob mccowan's coffee order so i didn't stop to be like really turn on the sound i want to hear him do it no he the press conference he was holding was actually to be like listen i'm tired of these rumors i'm not quitting i go up to bob mccowan's face and i tell him the opposite of that and doug mclean was in studio too. It was the first time Doug McClain had ever visited in studio. And they had a guest on

the phone and they almost hung up on the guest because Was the guest like an NHL person? I want to say it was Steve Eizerman. That would have been great. No. No, it wasn't Steve Eizerman. That's another story. That's another time I, no, I actually did almost get

the fan to hang up on Steve Eizerman, but it was a different scenario. Story for another day. These are hilarious because they don't fall through. Like you didn't lose your job, so it's so funny to me. No, I just, I just, whoa! I'm on the high rope.

Whoa! Yeah, no, my book is, like, if I ever write a book, it's just gonna be that time I got laid off, that time I almost got fired, that time I did get fired, that time I got laid off again, that time I almost got fired again. Fuck. It's just a little balancing act, and somehow I'm still

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