The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Jan 24, 2017 - Heat

Episode Date: January 24, 2017

On this episode, the guys talk about the heated battle between the Leafs & Flames, hot takes, old takes, reading is hard, and what they would say to their 2007 selves. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. So I'm a little upset. Oh dear. I'm a little upset because... We didn't get a gentleman today. No, no. We got a... he's so upset.

No, I'm a little upset. I'm upset. Oh my goodness. I'm upset with a member of this show, actually. Oh my heavens. See, here's the thing. There are certain people in life that are, they have ability to do pretty much anything. They're just good at stuff. Okay.

Phew. I thought you were talking about me for a second. They're good at stuff. What did Jesse do wrong? They're good at stuff. And what bugs me is that, you know, like I have to work at stuff. And even then I'm just, just passing by the skin of my teeth. Okay.

So I've been playing trampoline dodgeball for about three years. All right. Three years I've been playing this. Yeah. And I worked my tail off to get good at it. I couldn't throw properly. I wasn't getting out of the way of balls. And now I'm just okay.

I'm just okay. But you're a contributor. You're a role player. I'm a role player. I'm third line at best. Adam's downplaying his skills. Adam's pretty damn good. So last night.

Adam's got the eye of the tiger when he plays sports, right? It's scary, right? Yeah. Definitely scary. Last night at 6.30 when our game is at 8, I say to Jesse, listen, we need a sub for our trampoline dodgeball league. do you think you could come?

And he's like, well, I'd have to get shorts, whatever. I'm like, ah, I'll drive you home and we'll go. I'd have to miss basketball. He missed basketball. Usually Monday nights. Wow. Hey, you know who wasn't really doing anything? It was the guy who's not 6'5".

But, I mean, you know. You invite Jesse, that's fine. Well, the guy who lives here in Toronto. If you live downtown and you live three hours away, maybe we can invite you. There's no way you'd have made it on time. Is the game at midnight? Maybe that's enough time for us to do that.

Yeah, there you go. That's when the 401 finally clears. I just want to be invited to things I would love for you to come But you live in You live in another city Literally You have to plan a whole day around it

Yeah It's true You're a Maple Leafs fan Who doesn't live in Toronto I'd be writing postcards To Mrs. Dangle Dearest SL Stop

I'm halfway to trampoline dodgeball Stop Send food Rations Stop Running out of fresh water I'm growing weary in the winter So you don't know

We go And Jesse You know I kind of gave him The rundown of the rules and they give them a better rundown when we get there. Dodgeball, but with jumping.

So dodgeball is pretty straightforward. You guys know how to play. You know that it catches an out, right? Yes. Okay. So I think it was the second game in. Okay. We're on, we are literally on our last legs.

It's Jesse and another person left in. And we're not, it was not a good round, right? Because the matches last half an hour, depending upon how many games you get in. Oh my God. Yeah. We played for, by the way, two straight hours last night. Four matches.

How are you standing? This particular half hour match, you know, there's little sets in between. So they're like mini, they're the games. Yeah. And I'm not standing. I'm sitting. I know, I'm an idiot. That's how I'm doing it.

Jesse got me two, well, Adam got me a coffee and Jesse got me a coffee. And I'm going to need both apparently. So producer Jesse is out there playing his first game. Already, already, he has a way better throw than I could ever hope to have. He scored four goals in his first game? He scored, I'm not even kidding, four points in this game. Here's what happened. You ready?

He throws, hits a person. Somebody throws right back at him. As soon as he lets it go, they're throwing at him. He catches. With his teeth. Dodges another, throws the one he has, gets it out, and as he's falling, catches another. Within five effing seconds. It was like we were down six to two, six people to two, and he evened it like that.

and won the game. It was the craziest thing I've ever... I wish I had it on camera so you could see it. It was one of those unbelievable... I've been playing dodgeball for three years, like I said. Every single week, I have never seen anything like that. I don't play dodgeball the right way because I don't dodge the ball.

I just try and catch the ball and eventually I get lucky and I make a nice catch. Because you're a team player and as I just learned, Adam is apparently not. Adam's really good at dodging the ball, which is the point of the game. And I'm not good at that because I'm too big and I have too many limbs.

But he sounds really frustrated at your success in this game. Jesse, whose team were you on? I was on Adam's team. That's right, yeah. I mean, shouldn't you be happy? I should. You should be congratulating yourself. You're the one who brought this guy.

I should. But as a true Montreal Canadiens fan, as I've known to be, I turn on my own team. Did you notice that our Reddit page, the picture in the corner, is you in a hamster? I did, Jesse. Thank you. With the Quebec flag behind you? Who did that? That's our listeners.

Our listeners can do that? Yeah, Frieza, who's one of our Reddit admin guy. We have a Reddit admin guy? Dude, who's not us? Yeah. For such a small subreddit, we actually have like a really well upkept Reddit page. Well, thank you for doing that. I'm not the one posting the links to the shows and all that.

Really? Dude, I post like one link a month. I thought it was you. No, it's not me at all. Who is this person? Frieza? It's a few people. It's a few people.

Thank you. That's amazing. It's a couple guys. That's great. Well, thank you. Amazing. I have a question off of your dodgeball story. Trampoline dodgeball thing?

If LeBron James played hockey from the age of three, is he better than Crosby at this age? Does just natural athleticism translate over to any sport? I think it does. I think it absolutely does, because I don't have any. And Jesse does. Jesse walked in last night and was instantly better than me. Hockey is so different, though, because of the skating.

The skating is the huge X factor, right? if LeBron knows how to skate. Right, if you're saying from the age of six, I mean, jeez, there's a few guys. I mean, you see J.J. Watt on skates, and you're like, okay, if you're in the NHL,

you're happy that he dropped hockey at a certain age. Because, I mean, who are you scared of? You're afraid of Bufflin? You're afraid of Chara? Well, used to be, anyway. I still wouldn't want to be hit by Chara. Big guys who know what they're doing.

No, of course not, but big guys who know what they're doing. There's a bunch of big guys in the league, not that many who know what they're doing. If you put J.J. Watt on skates, if you put LeBron James on skates, that's terrifying. Bryce Harper.

Bryce Harper is a beast. Is he a big guy? I think he's probably my height, maybe just a little bit higher. He's probably like 6'4", maybe 6'1", 6'2", but he's, and I'm not 6'1", 6'2", he's 5'11"-6'1", I would guess. I don't know.

But what's amazing about Bryce Harper is A, he works out like a freaking animal. B his hand-eye coordination which is key if you want to handle a puck in hockey is unreal

and he's got great foot speed 6'2 6'2 so he's not he's not an obscenely tall man you know what we need more of novelty game shows where we get to pit athletes

of certain sports against other athletes of other sports isn't there like a Spike TV thing called like Pros vs. Joes or something yeah

didn't Wayne Gretzky have to race yeah and Claude Lemieux had to do something too like yeah it was some sort of game Well, you've been to, like, the ping pong tournament where all the hockey players play ping pong.

Yeah, they're naturally good at that because they're just athletes. They are. It's incredible. They are. And it's weird, the guys who are good at it, because you kind of wonder, how did you get so good? That's Dominic Moore's event, right? Yeah, and he's one of the really good guys. Alex Burrows is really good.

Patrick Eves has won it two or three years in a row. So everyone who plays is just naturally at least decent. but the guys who are really good, you're like, yo, you can compete. Patrick Eves could leave hockey if ping pong paid money. I don't know if it does. And, like, do well on the ping pong circuit. Yeah, that's a good player. And you see him, he's just this jacked man with a giant lumberjack beard.

Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, I don't know about that. He's not there, is he? No, he's not quite there. He's not, like, Forrest Gump. But he hasn't been training at it since he was three. Yeah, that's true. All right, fair enough, fair enough.

I think Crosby would make a pretty good running back in the NFL. Yeah. Still small. He definitely, you know what? CFL legend. He's too small. CFL legend, Chris. He's too small.

Pinball Clemens. Pinball Crosby. You're absolutely right. Man, I think that's a pretty good assessment. Wow, man. He might make 75 grand. Like, think of all the things he could get. At his peak.

At his peak. Yo, we just signed Crosby to a five-year, $250,000 contract. What? He's getting paid way too much. Let's go, Ruff Riders. This is crazy. Riders, Riders. There's only eight teams, and we've only won four times in 100 years.

Woo! You know what's amazing? We've gone this long without talking about the gong show that was Leafs-Flames. I know. You know what? And Jesse and I missed it. But I kept calling out- What?

Well, because we were at Dodgeball. Oh, right. Okay, well, let me tell you. I kept calling out the thing, the score at the game. And people would be like, yeah, eh. I was like, F you guys. I don't think people know that you should start caring about the Leafs again. Well, no, because we were talking to the team last night, the dodgeball team.

I was like, no, this team's going to make the playoffs. They're like, yeah, we'll see. All the people who think that they're experts or whatever, the takes were hot. The general public doesn't know how good we are. I think it's weird. The Leafs, Blue Jays, and Raptors, like, are they all on level playing field now? Like, because how many people tuned into the Raptors playoff run and were just like, hey, they're good again.

Sweet. Who's this Biambo guy? I love him. Well, they've been making the playoffs for like three years, though, right? Three, four years. Yeah, but no one really cared. The first year they did. Not as much as last year, which I guess makes sense.

Because we won a round. Because we won a round. And that was the big thing. And then they won a second round, which they'd never done. Ever. in the team's history, which was a big deal. I think you're right. I think the first time they went to the playoffs against Brooklyn

where it was a surprise and Kyle Lowry was going to be traded. He gets in front of a crowd and goes, F Brooklyn! Best money he's ever spent. The next year when they played the Warriors, was it the Warriors? No, no, no. Oh, no, not the Warriors.

Washington Wizards. Yeah, and Paul Pierce was like, nothing about the Raptors scares me. And he turned out to be right. But then they retool the next year and they come back and they actually get that monkey off their back and they win a really tough series with Indiana. They won two.

Two really tough series, yeah. Yeah, and I mean, take the, they were two wins away from the NBA Championship Series, right? Or they would have been murdered. Yes, but hey. But who cares? But hey. The point is, yeah, I don't think the Leafs are at the Jays' Raptors level yet.

It's like, yeah. You have to be, like, Raptors were second place in the, first place in the conference, second place in the conference. Second. Cleveland's first. Behind Cleveland. Yeah, so the Leafs are not there. And you know what?

The Jays might have taken a step back this year. I actually think, with the moves they've made this offseason, I mean, who the hell knows? Baseball's dumb, though. But Kendrick Morales could hit out of his mind. But he's slow as a rock. And then you've got Batista, who's got question marks, and Donaldson, who's amazing.

So I don't know what the Jays are anymore. They'll be in there. Sure. They'll be in there. Sure. Competitive. Competitive. I feel like they're on level playing field,

but then the second game one of the playoffs starts, should the Leafs make it that far oh oh everyone will go nuts no matter who it's against and by the way it's like

let's say they make it it's looking likely okay if it's a wild card spot they might get Montreal which would be amazing which should have happened

until they drove off a cliff a couple years ago if it's an Atlantic spot it looks very likely that it'll be Ottawa which people will get jacked for or

outside chance Boston when we when we played the last time we played Ottawa which was Saturday yes I'm brain dead

one thing I you know I tweeted was I'm so you know I hated losing hated losing like that yeah but wasn't it great to see

the Battle of Ontario back it's back oh it's fully back it's back and the Montreal Toronto thing is going to come back it isn't there yet but it's going to come back

I think they've all been one goal losses right or there might have been an empty netter in one of them there isn't the hate against Montreal yet. It's perfect that FNUF is on Ottawa, too. We have a guy we can poke at

and be like, I hate you. Because Eric Carlson. He didn't hit Tucker from behind. I don't hate him. He looks like a musketeer, too. How do you not like that? Yeah, I like him. I'd buy shampoo off him. My fiance is obsessed with him and his fiance.

She just basically searches their Instagram every day and creeps their stuff. Does she write goals on their Instagram? No, but she should. No, she also doesn't write, what did you write on Austin Matthews? I don't know what you're talking about. Something daddy? I think it was just Poppy.

Poppy. Her daddy. It was Daddy with an I. Daddy with an I, which is weird, man. Supposedly one of his nicknames is Poppy. Oh, really? Okay. So, do you want to know what happened?

Yeah, so tell me about the Leafs game, which I've seen the highlights and read all the articles for. All right, now I'm trying to, yeah, okay. Well, then, damn it, Adam. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I did my homework is my point the first period

was boring it was boring for sure until with less than 90 seconds to go in the period I think Nikita Zaitsev

puts it on Mitch Marner with a perfect like Joe Pavelski like tip in front puts the Leafs up 1-0

right in the middle of Marner's barn no less right in the middle of Marner's barn and by the way by the end of the game I believe he overthrows

Austin Matthews for the rookie scoring lead he does just nuts which I want to get to which I want to get to Sure, sure, sure, sure.

See, mmm. Ah! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're talking about the game. Blah, blah, blah. Blah. Then Kadri scores a goal. Oh, this goal.

Matthews is on the ice. Manages to fling it up ice anyway. As he's falling. As he's falling. Nylander, falling onto the ice. Just manages to eh. Over to Kadri. Just a little poke over to Kadri.

And Kadri with a wicked shot that Brian Elliott totally should have stopped because Brian Elliott is bad. That's what I thought, too. And, oh, there's the screen. There's the... You got to stop that there, Brian. You sound like Brian. His boss.

Oh, you got to... You know, we signed this guy in the offseason. You know what? I'm going to let my son talk about this. Thanks, Dad. So, anyway, the Department of Player Safety. Brian and Patrick Burke. Yes.

Everyone. So, then a thing happens. I might be getting the order screwed up But whatever Flames are on a power play Leo Komarov Demolishes Johnny Gaudreau

Gaudreau is admiring his pass Komarov hits him And beans him in the brain So Did Komarov leave his skates? No Did it look like he intentionally targeted the head? No

Did he go upward? No Did he hit him in the head? Yes and this is where it gets hairy so everyone's been talking about

incidental contact and accidental contact unavoidable contact and 5-9-able contact sorry 5-9-able contact well

that's funny you should bring that up Adam so he escapes he escapes discipline for this of course he does oh

do you want me to bring this up too there Jesse no no we'll bring that up after we'll bring that up after that's the Matthew Kajuk thing so

well what's he supposed to do? Johnny Gaudreau's short. Well, what's Leo supposed to do? He's taller. Well, that's what I'm saying. People are saying what is Leo Komarov supposed to do? Johnny Gaudreau is short. Now, the rule

I'm not trying to hate on Leo. I'm just trying to say, devil's advocate if I'm a Flames fan and even outside of that, if I am a fan of players remembering who they are past the age of 45 I'm a fan of player safety. So let's try to figure this out. The rule is not you can't

Hit someone in the head unless they're under 5'10 then it's cool The rule is you can't hit someone in the head so I don't have a lot of sports playing experience organized sports playing but I did play Rugby in high school and there was a game that this reminded me of that. I'll never forget We were on Mowat. We sucked. We played Cedebrae, I think it was,

who were at the very least better than us. Cedebrae had a little person. Oh, you mean like they were short? No, no, no, no, no, no. A little person. We're talking like three feet tall, like up to my hip. A little person.

Playing on their team. And we're like, yo, this is dangerous, man. Like, if, like, what if, forget hitting them. I'm like, if we accidentally fall on this guy, we're going to hurt him. This guy, I'm, we're all walking around out there. We're like a, you know, we're big young men. But, you know, between like 175 and 210 pounds across the team.

We could really hurt this guy. And this guy's lucky. There's no way he's even 100. Yeah, he's lucky if he's 100 pounds. Yeah. So, but this little bastard, this little guy, every time he got the ball, he would get hit and we would get a penalty for a high hit because the rule is not above a certain height it's you have to hit below the

shoulders to the point where we had gotten like a dozen high hit penalties on this guy and we're like okay what are we supposed to do finally one of our players runs up to him when he gets the ball and this guy got the ball all the time because they kept getting in the ball because we kept getting penalties one guy runs up to him drops to his knees in front of him and shoves him as hard as he can and oh he goes flying he just goes flying poor guy poor guy guess what we got another high hit penalty because he still pushed him in the

shoulders below the shoulders for him was like below our knees so Johnny Gaudreau is not that extreme of an example but the rule was very clear and it's in another sport it's there are other sports with similar rules to this hockey one you cannot hit a certain area it's not about the height it's about the area so well what's leo camarada supposed to do duck down maybe like maybe it's gaudreau's advantage that sometimes because of his height he's ineligible to be hit now you might think that's crazy you might think that's unfair but it is what it is are you allowed to hit players in the head. Intentionally.

Well, No, you're not. What is intentional now? If you know, like if Chara goes, if Tyler Meyer goes after Johnny Gaudreau, and he doesn't target the head,

but he knows if he hits him, he's going to hit him in the head. Steve, if you watch the replay, the thing that makes contact first is the body. I think it might have been the stick, also, someone pointed out, because Gaudreau's stick comes up.

Komarov hits it, and it kind of hits Gaudreau in the chin. It's hard to tell. To me, it's always principal point of contact. And the principal point of contact was not Goudreau's head. Chest. It was his chest. So, yes, his head eventually hit.

But if you were to slow it down, the real principal point here is shoulder into body, not shoulder into head. Yeah. And I understand that rule. And I get that. And maybe you're right. Maybe you're right about, you know, that's Goudreau's advantage. And you know what? If you can play that advantage, play that advantage.

All the power to you. I don't think, I think what it comes down to at the end of the day is Goudreau got rocked. This used to happen a lot more in the NHL, so when it happens now, people are always surprised by it, which is why Giordano jumped in and stood up for him. And it was funny reading Brian McGratton's tweets. He tried to. Yeah, and then he did a beautiful little dance. But Brian McGratton tweeted, he's like, now this is the game you all wanted.

Wouldn't it be nice for Johnny Goudreau if somebody could step in and stand up for him? And I don't know about that. Now, wouldn't it be nice... Can you say that again? He said, basically... I don't have the tweet in front of me, but he said, wouldn't it be nice if...

Someone stepped in. Stepped in. And did what? When, Brian? Before the hit or after? Before the hit or after? Are you in the business of preventing injuries? Leo would have been too afraid to hit Goudreau

had he known McGrath was sitting on the bench. Because Leo's that kind of guy who's afraid of things. I said sitting on the bench because I'm going to remind everyone that the Flames are on the power play. There's no way McGratton would have been on the end. Can I quote Brian McGratton? Sure, yes. Please do. Back in the day, we would send Komarov back to Russia with a broken face eating ketchup sandwiches.

Okay. And what else? The discipline used to be getting your face crushed. That's funny. That's just funny. I mean, it is funny. Look, look, look. I'm not hating on the guy.

I just think he's wrong. Yeah, I don't have to think about it. He is wrong We're acting We're acting like this never He's wrong Like this used to never happen No what

What Sheriff McGrath Do you want to do one more No here I will Yeah sure here He said how bad does Johnny want a guy On the team to stick up for him

Poor little guy This is the game everyone wanted So Here's Here's the thing Brian McGrath is partially right Everybody So here's what used to happen

Komarov lays the hit Dan Carlin Leo Komarov An Estonian Swedish Finn From Russia Goes in and he I don't know if enough people care No it's true

Jesse's being such a producer right now I don't know I just love your impression of him so much It's so good and no one knows who it is Anyway So Komarov comes in and he hits Goudreau Then what happens is later in the game Brian McGratton goes and attacks Leo Komarov

and then whoever the Leafs tough guy is comes in and saves Komarov and fights McGratton or someone else goes and attacks someone else whoever's on the ice and then they get their frustration out that way that was the quote unquote deterrence

I don't know about deterrent as much as it just helped them get their frustration out now what happens instead is some rat like chris verstig or alex chase on or matthew kachuk does something dirty in response it's not preventative it was getting frustration out and now because i guess they don't have that goon there you got chris verstig hacking at matthew's legs like like he's chopping down a Redwood. You got Chase on intentionally targeting Komarov's

head. Did you see Sam Bennett's slew foot on Connor Carrick? Oh, I forgot about that one. Sam Bennett's slew foot on Connor Carrick, which you know what? I don't feel that bad about that one because Carrick cross-checked him. Yeah. Cross-checked him. I'm surprised his stick didn't break.

Bennett's very, very lucky that he wasn't standing closer to Connor Carrick after that. Or a pull-up bar. Here's the thing. If I'm a fan of a team, and I've been ashamed of the Leafs many times, so I'm not, please don't think that I'm standing up on a soapbox

here saying that I've never been, because I think we've been, of all the franchises, we've been the one who've been most ashamed, okay? Yes. But I would be ashamed of the players on my team after seeing that. Slew-footing a guy? Two guys? Come on. It's the Leafs! Concentrate on trying to come

back. It's the Leafs. You can do it. You can do it, and they spent the whole third period dicking around. You're slew-footing because not only that, but the Flames have issues. The Flames have some serious issues. You know why they're not focused on scoring goals? Because they're not scoring goals and they don't believe in themselves. Man, the broadcast

was so funny. Man, I'm not seeing any emotion on the Flames bench and the camera goes, whoom, right on Gullitson's face. Glenn Gullitson or Gullitson? Yeah, I want to bring him up, actually. Oh, boy. Just no emotion. I want to bring up Calgary's coach because I think this is important.

Okay. Well, yada, yada, yada. Brian McGratton does have a point I just don't think he realizes the point he's making does that make sense

yes yeah and I am saying that with nothing but love in my heart okay I'd love to have him on the show

yeah he'd be an interesting guy he'd be really fun he'd be really fun um so Glenn Goletsin uh

he seems to me in every interview I've seen and especially I've been paying attention for whatever reason to the Flames a lot more

in the last month he seems they've been fun up until the last couple weeks they've been fun He's been But you know like some teams

They just stand out in your mind Over certain parts of the season You don't know why The Flames are one of them Okay For me And the reason being Is his post-game interviews

Whether they win or lose He's mad at them Okay Like you know how Claude Noel was always mad At the Winnipeg Jets Even when they did well He was just kind of mum

Well you know How would a How would a conversation Between Claude Noel And Paul Maurice go Hi Paul Hi Claude How are you?

I'm pretty good. How about you? Okay. Coaching the Jets is hard, right? Oh, yeah. Tell me about it. Well, here's the, here's, and I want to, I want to read you some quotes to kind of back this up, because Mark Spector posted an article before last night's game.

And this is a quote before last night's game, and they're talking about. Spector bringing the heat, by the way. He's finally got two interesting teams to cover. Holy smokes, yeah. He said, you know, he's talking about, and this is the, this is how his article ends, okay? Meanwhile, up the road, the Oilers have blazed past the Flames. Just hang on

Just let me read it I'm just pointing out They are bigger, better, and have their franchise goalie Suddenly the Flames are in their rearview mirror And going in the wrong direction Tonight it's the Maple Leafs Who are playing with bold belief And oodles of skill

Surely their project hasn't surpassed Calgary's too Has it? As in rebuild Nah, you know what Calgary started poor they were good for much longer than they were poor

and now they've had a poor stretch here's my next quote and this is again pre-game remembering that the Flames are just coming off

the Oilers sweeping them this entire in the season series for the first time ever they've never been swept really in a season series I feel like

Edmonton even though they were bad last season really ran the Flames show didn't they? well they ran them this year

for sure yeah Glenn Gullitson says We were down yesterday and this morning Everybody's a little bit embarrassed There's a sense of We need to get back to playing the way we need to play This is before

This is before the game You're admitting your team's depressed Now that might have been why they lost 4-0 last night It could have been a Flames loss more than a Leafs win They're on the road And they also have to remember In the next three nights they have to play Ottawa and Montreal as well Well this

See, this is interesting. This is what I was wondering. We got the Flames schedule. Thank you, Jesse. So, Flames just got embarrassed by the Oilers. So, now you got your next three games coming up. Toronto, next night Montreal, and then Ottawa. Who's your starting goalie?

It's definitely Chad Johnson, right? Has to be. Has to be. He's definitely your better goalie. why not look at this back-to-back against Toronto and Montreal and go you know what we probably have a better chance beating Toronto because we beat them last time we shut them out last time why not start the goal you shut them out the last time well you play the better goal against the better team Steve I guess I guess and maybe it's a defeatist attitude because I'm going

at least try to get two of the four points. I think that's strategic thinking. I don't know if that's defeatist. Yeah, I think so too. And then Johnson is fresh as a daisy, two days rest, and remember you're on the road to take on the Sens.

And then all of a sudden you've got a really good chance of taking four of six. Which would be great. It'd be great. I don't understand why they started Elliott in that one, especially... Like, the Leafs just...

If there's anything they're good at it's scoring goals. What are you doing? Yeah. Well, Glenn, bringing it back to the coach, I know it's been a frustrating year for him because they've been very up and down, but I find him, even when they win, to be too hard on that team. And it seemed to me with the Flames,

they need somebody in there who could just lighten things up a little bit. Just make a joke, for God's sakes. And now we get to... That sounds a little bit like Bob Hartley. What do you mean? Oh, like he was hard on them too? I think he had a better personality for that team, but his strategy sucked. Right.

So it's interesting You're seeing the The yin and yang Yeah I Yeah it's I don't know For me it just

It just seems like They're a little bit tough Now We gotta go to break But when we come back I've got some more stuff On the Leafs last night A couple

A couple milestones were passed Some records were set And you might not even know about them I'm ready to go Coffee number two Zach Hyman I'm alive by the way Zach Hyman tied

Toronto Maple Leafs record last night He did? Yeah What's that? Guess I'm going to go with shorthanded goals by a rookie. Coolest hairstyle. He has, like, the most generic hairstyle.

And then that goes to Brian McCabe circa 2004 when he had the mohawk. That one's cool. Steve, you are absolutely correct. Oh, nice. Woo! What's the record, two? Yeah. So he is now tied for the rookie lead in shorthanded goals ever by a Toronto Maple Leaf rookie with Russ Cortnall.

I just thought that was a hilarious stat That is great I was listening to The Fan last night And Gord Stelic was on And he dropped that And I was like, wow Gord Stelic Gord Stelic dropping the heat

And then Kadri It's going to be such a bummer When Hyman's on the Habs It's going to be a bummer He's not going to the Habs I know Then he'd be Zach Habman Oh my god

Nope Nazem Kadri hits 100 goals How about that, eh? And 20 goals this season Does it all on the same night 20 goals And 100 goals That

So a fifth of Nazem Kadri's goals Have come in this 44 game stretch That's unbelievable 45 game stretch 20% 20% of his goals Have happened this year

That's the kind of season Nazem Kadri's having No more than that now Because he's got Oh I don't know I'm 21 I'm garbage at numbers

No he's at 20 But he has 101 now I'm dumb Ignore me Ignore me Anyway The point So it's like 19.79

Who cares? You're right. I should have never said anything. What was hilarious yesterday, and I love this, you could hear it in the post-game Leafs show with Todd Wilischko and Gord Stelic, and you could see, you could feel the excitement. Because those guys go to every game, like the press,

and they're fans of the team. Gord worked for the team. Todd played in the NHL. They want the team to do well. And you could hear it. They were like, and then they did this? And then they did that? These are grown men.

They look so much better. It was so cool to look at. The best part, I thought, was the people calling in. Oh, they're the best. They're the best. Oh, Leafs postgame callers, if you got nothing better to do, just turn it on. If you want to hear the takes, the takes exist there. They are the hottest of takes.

See, we're on the radio right now, so someone's listening and going, hey! It's hockey Twitter for people that don't have Twitter. Whoa. And they're not constrained to 140 characters. Exactly. So, first off, my favorite was a guy who called and he seemed like he was genuinely so excited. And I loved him through the radio. I'm like, man, I love you.

But then I stopped loving him when he said, Nazem Khadri's having a great season. His trade value will never be higher. So, let's go get Kevin Shattenkirk on his half-year deal. And I was like, you are missing the point. And Gord Stelic, God bless him. And this is why I love Gord. Because he calmly said, well, listen, here's the thing. You can't have a coffee before that show.

You've got to be calm. Yeah, and I think after a Leaf game, you'd probably be a little bit tired too, right? So Gort calmly says, well, I understand what you're saying. And you might be right about Nazem Khadri's trade value. However, Lou Lamorello said he would go into a foxhole,

or there's no one he'd rather go into a foxhole with than Nazem Khadri. Something like that. And then he signed him to a six-year contract. So I've got to tell you, Nazem Khadri's not going anywhere. And you're right. It's true.

And yes, Nazem Khadri's trade value is really high right now. There's a reason for that, and that's because he's playing really, really, really, really good hockey. Conor McDavid's got a really high trade value right now. So does Austin Matthews. I heard of Gennie Malkin. Also has a high trade value. Sidney Crosby. I mean, Penguins got to strike while the iron's hot.

I know they're in a playoff spot, but come on. You've got to get your assets in order, right? Really. How many star-setter men do you really need in this league? I know. Like one, and then you're good. Look at the Avalanche. They've got two, and they're fine.

Another thing I wanted to bring up is the Leafs are, right now... Cheap plot. A little bit. Yeah, that was the second time. You've been slamming the Avalanche tonight. Yeah, because they suck, and they didn't even mean to. But I guess we'll get to that. The Leafs are currently in a playoff spot with 53 points in 45 games.

The Boston Bruins are currently outside of the playoffs, even outside of the wild card. They have 52 points in 50 games. Interestingly, the Leafs are now 11 points ahead of where they were this time last year. And by the way, this time last year, the Leafs were sniffing around a playoff spot. We're all thinking, well, maybe, I don't know. It was the peak of the Leafs season, and then JVR broke his ankle and it was over. Now, when I say they were sniffing, they were sniffing for a 10th place. And that's what we're worried about.

They were there. They were there, though. They were there. They were eighth or ninth-ish, I think. Yeah. Also, now Marner, Mitchell Marner, Marnes Barn, the Mitch Jishin. Oh, dear. The Mitch Jishin works.

Come on. That does work. It's amazing. It's amazing. Acknowledge me, please. I'd say his excitement around him has hit a fevered Mitch. Mitch, please. Oh, how dare you.

Oh, that's too Farner. So Marner is now the NHL rookie lead for points, right? As of the recording of this podcast. I don't know how the voting works specifically for Calder voting. So help me out here. Do you have a first, second, and third place vote? I think it's first through fifth. First through fifth.

So that could work in the Leafs' favor here. Because I was thinking, okay, if all the writers who vote on this only get one vote, does the Matthews-Marner vote split down the middle and give it to Laine? Oh. You know what I mean?

Because it's almost like Democrats, don't vote for Bernie Sanders, but don't, go for Hillary because Bernie's never going to win and you're going to split your vote. Do you want me to explain

the voting system? Please do. So, the voting is conducted at the end of the regular season by members of the Professional Hockey Writers Association and each individual voter

ranks their top five candidates on a 10-7-5-3-1 point system. Okay. So top five, but weighted differently. But points. Okay. You know the NHL, keeping things simple. Yeah.

Got to have a point system. Here's how that's extra interesting. Is there a shootout? I think so. If there's a tie. I would like to see a shootout for a Colbert trophy. You only get a half point for that. Yeah.

Here's how that's extra interesting. The year Jose Teodor won the heart, If I'm not mistaken, part of the reason he won, because it was a hotly contested race between him and Aginla, there were some ballots, if I'm not mistaken, that had Theodore in first and had Aginla left off entirely. Oh. And I think there were some, I want to say there were some shenanigans with the Norris vote either last year or the year before. When Dowdy won. Well, that would make sense. because I mean really

I'm trying to remember I'm trying to hey there you go I'm trying to remember though but it was like there were the top two guys and then some people voted whoever it was

number one we're not putting Brent Burns on our ballot yeah and leaving the other guy off entirely so that's part of what I don't like

about that system but my pick for Calder Trophy winner is a little different okay I would go with

Matt Murray yeah uh 17 wins two shutouts 923 save percentage. Why isn't anyone talking about him? Like, not a soul. Because nobody really considers

Matt Murray a rookie, even though he definitely is. You know, the guy's already won a cup, right? Like, it's like, how? How is this guy a rookie? But you're absolutely right. And not like he was there. Like, he played. He played. He won that thing. He was on the ice. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's funny. That is funny.

It's a really good point. And I think the Calder Trophy this year is, you know, ultimately, okay, it's It's a nice trophy for your case. But does it matter at the end of the day? I'm sure it matters to the players, but it would be nice to have a Leaf win one because we haven't had one since 19-tickety-two.

I think, I want to say Teeter Kennedy was the last one. I'm not entirely sure. In the 40s, 50s? Very long time ago. A long time ago. So that's the thing. I would love to see a Leaf get it. I also think it's so interesting with Nylander.

Britt Selby, 1966. Oh, there you go. There you go. Leaf great Britt Selby. Who can forget? Brett Selby, when there were six teams in the league. Hey, whatever, he won it. He won the damn thing.

That's the thing. People go, oh, back when there were six teams in the league. Even when there were only six teams in the league, the Leafs barely ever won any trophies. Which is embarrassing. For Norris or Hart. No, but they were winning cups. Yeah.

They just didn't win anything. I think Vezna. I think they won a few Veznas. That's about it. I don't know if any Leaf has ever won the Hart. I don't think so. No. Dave Keon's the only one to ever win the conspire.

I think Doug Gilmore was supposed to be up for the heart, but they gave him a Selkie as a here's your secondary prize. He got best original screenplay. Yes, he did. Yeah, we have the last two heart trophies. We got Ted Kennedy in 1955 and Babe Pratt in 1944. There you go. Great name, Babe.

Babe. And he was enough of a babe to win the heart. Sure was. He won my heart. Typical, babe, wins the heart I mean, you see, because I get it, I get it Terrible

We get it, Steve Terrible Yeah, no, I wondered I just wondered about that Like, you know, Austin Matthews and Patrick Laine Have the big name brands behind them But then you've got Mitch Marner And also, I gotta

Matt Murray How is William Nylander not in that conversation? Zach Rwinski? Zach Rwinski Nylander's not in the conversation Because he's the third best rookie on his own team Doesn't matter how good he is He's fourth in NHL rookie scoring.

And he makes plays like he made last night. I know. That was so good. He is an outstanding hockey player. I know. And nobody's given him any love. I know. He's sneaky.

He's very sneaky. Because, I mean, Matthews does stuff that wows you. And Marner does stuff that wows you. And Nylander does it sometimes, too. But for the most part, not as noticeable. And then you look at the score sheet. And you look at the Leafs scoring leaders. And you go, how did that happen?

How did I don't remember him He's got 30 points When did When did that happen And then you forget things Like he was rookie of the month In October

By the way If Mitch Marner Wins rookie of the month For January The Leafs will have won Rookie of the month For three of the four months Cause they

They had Nylander And then Matthews in November It was Matthews in either November or December December It's December I think it was

And then Cause remember Remember there was The article out there has Austin Matthews hit a wall a week into his freaking season

so great so great so great I want to hear can I give you a really unfair stat that's really unfair but I'm going to

give it to you anyway because I think it's interesting I want to hear it Toronto Sports Media member yeah that might be pushing it

I don't think anybody in the Toronto Sports Media would consider me a Toronto Sports Media member someone was with Mick Kiprios

this morning and John Scott was he really thank you for letting me know that Jesse last year Adam wouldn't let you know that nope

last year Johnny Gaudreau was 6th in NHL scoring wow this year and this is where the stats really unfair and he was left off Canada's World Cup team

well wouldn't he have been on the young guns team wait oh you rotten I forgot I forgot that we screwed that up no he's not Canadian he's not Canadian

oh yeah and he was also on the young guns right Jesse that was That was dozens of mistakes ago How can you expect me to remember that Let's not go there Last year Johnny Gaudreau

Sixth in NHL scoring this year Sixth on his team in scoring Now he was injured He was injured And Sean Monaghan's not playing well And he also sat out Because of the restricted free agency thing He had a contract

You know For all the things the Flames have been through for example trading for the wrong goalie they survived that with with a really good backup Goudreau

sat out and then was hurt Monaghan was hurt through all that they survived and they're right in there right in the thick

of a playoff race well my when I was looking at the I was looking at Calgary's division I don't think it's all bad for them

like obviously the Pacific stinks I think they're going through a rough time but the Pacific stinks The Oilers and the Leafs are actually a pretty decent comparable for each other, I think. Because of the success they're experiencing, but also because they both play in crap divisions. Well, okay.

When did the Pacific start to stink? Yeah. That used to be the crown jewel of hockey. Well, I'm looking at it right now. It used to be Death Valley. So Anaheim and San Jose still look good, but like LA. So Anaheim's got 63 points. LA's old.

That's pretty good. Montreal has 63 points. So Anaheim's right up there with the top team in the league. That's Randy Carlisle's Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Not Mighty Ducks, just Ducks. San Jose, 62 points. Edmonton, 60 points. Patrick Marleau with a certain kind of hat trick.

Joe Thornton. A Patrick? Oh, dear. No, the name, we'll call it what it is on the online portion. Okay. Thanks, Steve, for that. That's not general. It's called a tease.

Edmonton has 60 points Calgary is next remember there's 7 teams in this division the top 3 have over 60 points nobody in the

bottom 3 has more than 50 bottom 4 has more than 51 and Calgary has 51 Vancouver has 50 LA's got 48 how about Vancouver

and Arizona's got 36 Vancouver's outperforming what I ever thought they would do wow Eric Engels I think tweeted there the biggest surprise

of the season I would say Columbus still but the fact that vancouver has anything to do with any kind of playoff talk is pretty shocking to me from what i understand too their attendance has not been good like the general public there's like yeah there's such a strange team i think they've in the last five years they set their bar really high which is great but i think people their fans expect more and want them to win and i i get that but you screwed up.

You let two A-plus goaltenders go. It's a very strange team. It's a very strange team. I mean, anyway, the Pacific, I don't think Calgary's, I mean, Calgary certainly is not out of it. They've got a wild card spot as it stands, and all they need to do is get hot again, which they are capable of doing.

We've seen it happen. This is probably lower. This is them being depressed after losing to Edmonton four games in a row or whatever it was. But, like, come on. You can't let that ruin your season, man. You can have down points. I know it's a young team.

You can have down points. Sure, but, like, they made the playoffs. It's only a three-game losing streak. Calm down. Calm down. They're young. I guess so. They're young.

You know who calms a team down in that situation? Brian McGrath. Yeah. The coach. You would hope to be the coach. Honestly, watch him in press. Maybe I'm wrong. Watch him in press conferences now.

Just watch. even when they win smile Glenn it's important I don't think people realize and I get it in hockey you want to be intense you want people to take you seriously

but at a certain point you've got to have some levity if you're a great leader, great leaders have levity and a head coach has got to be a great leader Mike Babcock cracks a joke and when Mike Babcock does crack a joke it's rare, but it's funny because it's Mike Babcock and you're not expecting it from him he picks his spots really well

Exactly. And he knows how to make people feel good about their play. I remarked in the LFR, like, the second goal, Kadri's first goal, was a perfect example of how the Leafs look differently under Mike Babcock. Matthews doesn't give up on the puck. Nylander doesn't give up on the puck. And a good thing happens for Kadri. You could say it was a lucky goal and his luck has changed from last year,

which is true, but he doesn't even get the puck on his stick without two diving last-ditch effort plays that, in years past, I don't think get made. Oh, no. And for anybody that says that Nylander doesn't try, which is just, I don't like Swedish people. That's Canadian for I don't like a Swede. No.

Here's the thing. People have patience for Swedes who have good quotes. Yes. Nylander's a garbage quote. And that frustrates people. they don't notice him on the ice and they can't get a word out of him in the dressing room

so therefore he doesn't care and he's invisible. Right. Out of sight out of mind. Right. So, I've seen it. I've seen it. I've asked him questions. He's painful. Phil Kessel. Yep. And if it was not

if there's anybody out there that thinks that William Nylander doesn't try hard, doesn't have the compete level that is the perfect example of a guy who maybe maybe at times

didn't this year I don't but I think I've definitely heard it I've heard rumors I haven't seen it rumors from the inside but

I mean I look at the score sheet and he's scoring that's all I want out of him I also see a guy that's mature too and I don't know I think that

and I see Babcock addressing a weakness yeah he's not great defensively alright put him out there with Kadri and Leo who are Who are good at defense.

And who, by the way, did a great job shutting down Calgary's top lines. Absolutely. And Brown and Hyman have good chemistry with Matthews. Marner has great chemistry with JVR. I look at the Leafs lineup and there's not really anything I would change. Except for the defense. I look at their offense and there's not really anything I would change. All right, we've got to go to the online portion of the show.

You can download it at sportsnet.ca. If Steve's terrible tease didn't already get you there. Here's what you're in for. We're going to talk about Montreal's injury problems with Galchenyuk, and it actually kind of links back to Carey Price last season. It's just a very interesting connection. We're not sure if you can prove it, but it's something that you have to watch out for with every team.

Also, we're going to talk about the All-Star game and the fact that Sidney Crosby and Alexander Ovechkin are going to be on the same line. I don't know if Crosby shows up. There are a few days to go, sir. And also, the Sens quietly made a really good signing yesterday. You think? I think so

I guess we'll talk about it We will Panago Pizza Steve Dangle Podcast Brought to you by Panago Pizza After all It's what's on the inside

That counts Right? And it should be pizza We'll see you in the online section Sportsnet.ca How does your life go When the podcast ends? Well

I'll give you I'll give you a suggestion For something you should listen to Once the podcast is over Our last episode And then after that You should listen to this Sportsnet tweets

Nazem Kadri Joined Hockey Central at noon to make his intentions known he wants to be in the selkie conversation retweets oh yes oh yes cadre for selkie is back it is back with a vengeance baby brought it back he brought it back he absolutely brought it back hey you know what brought it back a western canadian team every single matchup against a western canadian team has been really entertaining and nasty

and Kadri has been at the in the middle of it are the Leafs playing Vancouver again? I don't think they are no no and that's and that's the problem

is they're done now they've played Edmonton Calgary and Vancouver twice each so they're done but Kadri beans Daniel Sedin

and that creates one of the most hyped games of this entire season heading into it there was the McDavid crazy game which then led to a

Great matchup Great rematch in Edmonton That the Leafs won And then the only difference is Okay Leafs got killed by Calgary And then Calgary comes to Toronto And gets killed by the Leafs

But it was nasty And Kadri was the star of the game Kadri man Rising to the occasion How nice is it that Five Canadian teams are in the playoffs right now? It's so refreshing I can tell you Rogers probably loves it

Yes I would too And because of matchups They have a really good chance of seeing at least two Canadian teams go to the second round. Which would be great. Because if, yeah, two Canadian teams play in the first round, then you're guaranteed. Yeah. Problem is you knock out one.

Yes. Whatever. There's only seven of them. I think it'd be interesting, too. I mean, Winnipeg needs to pull up their bootstraps a little bit here and get into the playoffs. Winnipeg and Calgary are in the same boat where I go, why are you mailing it in? Why do you think you suck? Then again, I think Winnipeg was going for three straight wins the other day.

Did they get it? I don't know. Or have they played that game yet? By the way, yes, we got all your tweets. Pavlik's won three games. I'm sorry, but Winnipeg's been scoring the whites out. Let's not pretend that Andre Pavlik's the reason. He'll have three goals in each of his first two games.

Another curse of the Steve Dangle podcast. Henrik Lundqvist. Oh, yeah! Last three starts. So he's 3-0, 1.32 GAA, 9.52 save percentage, one shutout. You know what, though? That's not a jinx. We talked about how he was performing poorly

Because he was But what I said a few months ago was You have to make it work with him You have to be patient And wait for him to get it back Looks like he's starting to get it back The reason it's a story Or it's just a hot streak

The reason it's a story is because Henrik Lundqvist is expected to be good And when he's not, that's a story 8.5 million reasons why he has to be good The reason Pavlik's a story Is because he's not expected to be good And yet here he's won what, three straight? But he hasn't played well. I think his save percentage is less than nine.

No, but he made one really good save. So, man, this is Jonas Gustafsson when he came to the Leafs. This is it. Have a bad game. Make a really athletic save because you're out of position anyway. And everyone loves you. Mike Ulmer used to write for MapleLeafs.com. And I love Mike Ulmer.

And I loved this article when he wrote it. Remember when Gustafsson made that ridiculous save on the Red Wings? It was a preseason game. It was a 2-on-0. Jan Mursak, Rhino, stopped by Gustafsson. This huge, roaring call by Jim Hewson. By the way, he makes great calls. He does.

He does. He's just got that voice. There's so much color to his voice. It's amazing. One of the very rare times I was in the media gondola at the Air Canada Center. One time I was in the bathroom doing what you do when you go to the bathroom. And in walks Jim Hewson having a conversation with somebody. I'm going for a pee.

I'm going for a pee now. Here we go. Ah, that's good. That's a relief. And I'm just in there like the voice from the NHL video games just walks into the bathroom. Life's surreal sometimes, isn't it? Andre Pavlik, by the way, is sitting on 907 save percentage. Wow.

Two and one. Ever so slightly above what a Palmerees goalie usually is. You better move him into the quadrant. Yeah, there you go. All right, we got to move him into the quadrant. Bad goalie's performing good. He did say, there's, talk about a guy with weird confidence. I don't know if he has confidence in saying this.

I was watching his press conference after his first game, and they're like, hey, you know, like. Pavlik or Maurice? Pavlik. Okay. And he's like, they were like, oh, you had some great saves out there. And he's like, yes, you know, we win, blah, blah, blah.

And he's like, but, you know, next game could be really bad. what the hell is that and it reminded me of Dominic Hasek who was in the playoffs once against it might have been

against the Leafs but it was something like yeah he said something along the same lines he's like yes you know I make all these saves but

the next game could be big loose and you're like what are you talking about why are you saying that but that might be maybe it's a Czech thing Europeans like

I don't know man they're the best quotes they are Because they're just so honest. Yeah. It's great. Sorry, where I was going with that is Ulmer writes a story and he waxes poetically about that save. And remember, we don't know anything about Gustafsson at this point other than he just made this save and he's the new goalie in town and the Leafs have had bad goaltending for the past few years, so he might be the answer.

And so Ulmer writes, there comes a moment with a new goaltender where they make a certain type of save and you would trust them with your firstborn child. this was that save boy did he end up being wrong but that was the feeling in Leafs Nation at the time and I gotta wonder if it's not a little bit similar for some Winnipeg Jets fans they're just looking for someone anyone to make a damn save it doesn't even matter if they perform well as long as you win just win baby just win that's how it's got to feel so I can't hate on people going see Maybe if Winnipeg made a change and actually went out and got a goaltender while the market was soft.

Maybe they've signed James Reimer. What's the need? What's the need where they're getting 907 goaltending? I love... Oh, wow. Damn. Man, it's an improvement. It's an improvement. This team's too good to not be in the playoffs. Sorry. Just too good.

I think I agree. The only thing that would put them out... I mean, it's so competitive, right? Goaltending would put them out. They're too good. Sorry, they're too good The difference is Chad Johnson Give him Freddie Anderson

Yeah, give him Chad Johnson There's another guy, what did the Flames pay for him? Wasn't he just a free agent signing? I think so, I don't know Then again, we're also We're disobeying our own advice Where we go Why not just sign this guy?

Well, maybe that guy didn't want to sign with that team You know? Why didn't the Leafs sign this guy? Well, maybe he didn't want to come to the Leafs Why didn't the Jets sign this guy? Well, maybe you didn't want to go to the Jets. I highly doubt that James would be too adverse to going back home. All right, James.

So, we know you want to start a family. You know, you got this wife and everything, and you're about to sign a long contract. Do you want to go to Winnipeg? Or Florida. Or Florida. All right, fair. Well. All right.

All right, maybe. I just feel like you'd want to go home. Anyway. I don't know. Montreal. There was an injury. Ah, yes. And Jesse, you brought this up, so I'm going to let you run with it.

Jesse made a good observation. You're making a connection here. Saturday, Galchenyuk returns Well, he's playing his fifth game after returning to injury He re-aggravates his knee The same one that he was out with And then he finishes the game And now he's missing tonight's game with Calgary

And Tarjan says he re-aggravated the knee And he's got to sit out And then they got the All-Star break coming up So he's going to get a week off But we look at the history And we say he came back in week six Of his six to eight week evaluation so is that too early because the same thing happened with Carey Price

last season and he ended up being out for the entire season see this is a very tricky scenario because you got what Galchenyuk's saying which is probably I want to come back I'm just making that assumption you got what the doctor says which I assume he would have to be cleared by doctors and then you gotta wonder what's the coach saying and I don't want it to seem like we dump on Michelle Tarian at every turn. We dump on Michelle Tarian at every turn.

But we do, and also, this isn't the first time this has happened. And I don't think it was just Price either. Was he rushed back? There are certain teams

with certain injury problems when you really pay attention. The Leafs used to be The Leafs under Carlisle. Rhyme with this. Yeah. Oh my dear God, the Leafs under Carlisle.

We used to see it all the time where, you know, a player would come back too early and then they'd aggravate an injury and they'd be out. So they'd be in and out and in and out, which messes up your rhythm and your fitness and everything and your confidence. And you never play the same that year.

You just don't play the same because you're hurt. And then maybe you don't play the same the rest of your career. Whereas if you'd stayed out a couple extra weeks and just healed, you know, three or four games, five games, it's five games. If the team is truly good, the team will be okay without you. And now we got Morgan Riley with the Leafs. There's two games left before the All-Star break. He's not playing. He, no way.

No way. Just sit him. One more note. When he came back, his first game back, they played, and then they played five games in seven days up to Saturday. That's kind of irresponsible. Now, how did he perform in those games? Because if I remember correctly,

I remember reading some Andrew Berkshire tweets saying he was very good. Yeah, he did have a goal. Well, the thing about him is he's a pretty good hockey player. So you would expect him to be. But, if he's Bruck, if his knee's messed up, he's not going to be as good. It's like Tyler Johnson, Stanley Cup Final a couple years ago. Well, you know, can't shoot the puck. He shouldn't be on the ice.

I don't care how fast he is. Oh, he knows to be in position. He can't do anything with the puck once he gets it. Last five games, two goals, two assists. I mean, that's fine. Hard to blame the Habs for wanting that back. Absolutely not. Maybe he just re-aggravated it.

Like, maybe it just happened. Should he have taken the... This is one of those things where I want Andrew's opinion. Yeah. I think we're sensitive to it because we're Leaf fans and we saw it. We saw the medical staff here mishandle things time after time after time for years. I don't think it happens anymore. I don't see it.

Well, the Lou Lamorello administration has just been, you're all sitting, but our reference for that is they were trying to lose. So, I don't know. But look at Josh Levo. They were trying to keep him buried so they didn't lose him. If he misses these last five games and then tonight, then he's on his six to eight week evaluation that they originally gave him. He's on schedule.

And then he just comes back after the All-Star break. Maybe he plays those five games. He was good in those five games. he misses the next what two or three and then he's back okay and if that's the case

well maybe it's fine but we don't know we don't know I think this is we're gonna have to revisit this obviously

we're gonna have to revisit this after the all star break I want Andrew's opinion Andrew if you're listening I want your opinion now if he doesn't return the second the all star break is done

I think they goofed yeah who the Leafs no the Habs oh the Habs okay oh well Morgan Rielly I mean

someone fell on his leg right yeah I didn't and I also didn't see what happened to Chucky so yeah I call him Chucky

that's my boy uh yeah oh while it's fresh in my mind you brought up Josh Levo funny about that

so I've been playing with the draft tool on CapFriendly which sorry the expansion draft tool which I clearly still don't understand

because people were pointing out something I did wrong but um Seth getting Seth Griffith back, I think it was good for a couple reasons. One being that they

needed the scoring on the Marlies for sure. And who knows, he could be a decent player down the line. But two, I think it's likely that whoever the Leafs lose in the expansion draft is a prospective winger. Unless it's Martin Marincin. Corrado's not getting

claimed, right? If it's not Martin Marincin, and we're also assuming the Leafs protect Martin Marincin, right? So if it's not Martin Marincin or Connor Carrick. You think they're going to protect Martin Marincin? You can protect three defensemen, right?

So Gardner and Riley, boom, boom. And then one of Marincin or Connor Carrick. I would assume Connor Carrick. Yeah. It's not a foregone conclusion. So if one of the Leafs defensemen are not taken,

I was going through their lineup. I protected Komarov, which again, that's not a guarantee. I also protected Matt Martin, which that's also not a guarantee. But there are all these guys up front Kirby Reichel you gotta protect

who did you you have to protect Kirby Reichel yep why do you have to he started his NHL career kind of early with the Blue Jackets

oh no no to keep him you have to protect him yeah okay so no no no but when oh you don't have to yeah okay

sorry that's where I wanted to I was like what I got to the point where there was one spot left and I'm like uh oh

I gotta protect someone Leipzig or I gotta protect Griffith or I gotta protect Levo or I gotta

put it this way I think whoever they lose will be similar to Seth Griffith it might even be Seth Griffith in which case

I mean the Leafs get off scot-free are there any regulars that the Leafs could lose yeah can they protect all their main players

because I've heard who do you define as a main player because I would I would say Marincin and Carrick well Carrick certainly Carrick certainly

I don't think you protect Marincin I think you're probably right I think Morantz is more replaceable than Carrick, and I think that's how you have to look at it. Like, how can we replace this? But I was, and I haven't played with this tool,

but do Bozak or Komarov or any of those guys, can they protect Bozak, Komarov, Kadri, JVR? They are going to be exposed, yeah. Who will be exposed? Kadri, JVR, Bozak, Komarov. How much room do we have here? Who's getting protected? Well, this is what I'm saying.

Seven forwards, 3D, or eight anything, one goalie. I think what Adam's getting at is who do they have to protect? So they've got to protect Kadri. Well, I would say protect Bozak. You can't lose a center of that quality for nothing when centers are so expensive in this league. So Kadri, Bozak. JVR.

JVR. Morgan Riley. Provided he's still a Leaf. No, no, no, just forwards. Just forwards, okay. Do you have the tool up? Yeah, I'm clicking it. Okay, thank God.

Doing it off the top of my head is not working. Okay, so who do you got? Who needs to be protected? Yes So we run out Lupul Like Kadri

JVR Bozak Mahalik Komarov Greening Martin Reichel Brown

Smith Lightsip Griffith Levo Freeze Freeze Freeze, sorry You're protecting Connor Brown

You're protecting Komarov You're protecting Bozak You're protecting Kadri You're protecting JVR That's five You got two left Who else is on that list? Kadri

JVR Bozak Komarov. Who's your fifth? Brown. Connor Brown. Okay. So now you've got two left.

Now you've got two left. And this is for forwards, right? Yes. Well, are you going 7-4 as 3D? That's what I would do. Well, yeah, because you've got to protect your goalie. Yeah, you're not going to go 8-2. You're not going to go...

Okay. Okay. At least I don't think so. 7-4 as 3D. Then you're going to expose Carrick, and he probably gets taken. Yeah, exactly. I would take Carrick.

Do you think Las Vegas would take one of Sparks or Bebo? Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah? I mean... I mean, they can only make one pick per team, right? You know what? Underrated.

Sparks has been climbing. Yeah. Climbing, climbing. He's been getting a little better. So, who are the other two forwards? Who are the other two forwards? Left. Like, Lupo, Mahalik, Greening, Martin, Reichel, Smith, Leipzig.

Here, leave out the buried guys. Okay. Well, does Lupo have to be protected? Does he have a no move? No, he's exposed. He's exposed. He can take it if they want him. Yeah, so...

That makes sense. here leave out Leupold leave out the buried guys who's left Mihalik yeah Mihalik and Leik are gone anyway

their contracts are up Martin Reichel Smith Leipzig Griffith Levo freeze

so there's seven guys now do you leave Matt Martin exposed is his contract what protects him and before you go why would you protect

Matt Martin okay well why would they offer him four years of 2.5 million dollars the Leafs clearly like him they clearly think He has a purpose. I don't think they want to lose him.

I think they protect Matt Martin. Now, you run a risk, right? You run a risk because of how expensive he is. You might not lose him. No, but I feel like Vegas would take a guy like that. Here's some interesting things you have to also consider. Although Tom's running the show there a little bit. Tom from General Fandager, so maybe not.

Kirby Reichel has to play 38 more games to be eligible. Okay 38 more professional games Professional games Oh Leipzig has to play 40 Levo has to play 38 Does that count playoffs

Or just regular season Leipzig by the way Got hurt Oh Marlies are Banged up If the Leafs lose Someone on the wing

The Leafs can't Can't afford to lose One guy in the wing Can't afford to lose two At this point I guess they could But then you're Really digging deep

Into the system there Maybe give Andreas Johnson a shot Because he's a little older 19 points in 40 games So that doesn't seem as bad as it seemed Yeah so what I All I was getting at there was Like let's say they lose Levo

Well then you replace him with Griffith Who is Levo And by the way for everybody screaming out What about Zaitsev you don't re-sign him Until after the expansion draft Well yeah you don't have to protect him And I think there was a weird thing with Connor Brown too There's all kinds of stuff

If there is any team that is prepared for this, it is the Toronto Maple Leafs. Man, like Brandon Pridham. I still say one of the most valuable people in that organization. Absolutely. Such a good signing. Such a good signing. Yeah.

If they make a trade for a defenseman, they make it, what is it, eight players total? Seven, what is it? No, no, no, it's ten. Ten, but what's the... You can do seven and three or eight and two, I think it is. No, it's just eight flat. It'll be eight and then the goalie.

Oh, I don't know. Seven and three or eight flat. Oh. So then I think if they did make a trade, which I still think there's an outside chance of, but I mean outside, like not outside of the ballpark, outside the front door of the ballpark far away. If it were to happen, they would protect that defenseman.

I think they're in a better position for the expansion draft than pretty much anyone else, and I don't think they're going to change that. I don't think they're interested. I don't think they... Look, they're in a playoff spot. They're doing well. they're one of the youngest teams in the league

and they're well prepared for something that a lot of teams are not prepared for and they have a lot of picks what on earth should they do besides nothing they're perfectly prepared for the summer perfectly prepared

aren't they? unless they're missing something they are amazingly prepared whether they make the playoffs or not who are you protecting for your defense? Well, Riley Gardner. Riley Gardner Carrick.

And I would like to protect Carrick. A lot of people are going to be like, but, I mean, look, the guy's got potential. He's still young. And he's played pretty damn well. There's blemishes. There's blemishes for sure. You know what?

He looks like a rookie defenseman. Yeah, and you know who else he's got blemishes with? Jake Gardner. Yep. I'm not saying Connor Carrick is Jake Gardner. I'm just saying there were some blemishes for Jake Gardner. Right? The guy struggled for a while.

People started tweeting me little things about Carrick. like he's he's unpleasant hey i'm like yeah yeah he is you're just learning this now you're just learning this now just let him get that confidence and i want to see the nasty prick that i saw in the ahl playoffs last year he was a miserable person to play against that and he scored hat tricks which i don't think he's going to do in the nhl yeah but man you get a leafs defense that has already been putting up a fair amount of points and you get to add character to that a little bit and shattenkirk and shattenkirk and and crosby i mean strike while the iron's hot right that's right that's right now uh i want to have a little challenge with you steven oh dear

i'm gonna see if you can do this but first i've got to stop the vox pro because i have to export a file to do this properly sure i think my heart's gonna stop from all this coffee all right hang on okay so there's this thing i've been wanting to do since saturday night and steve this is because of you that we're doing this, because you sent us this tweet. Should I read my interesting thing first? Oh yeah, read your interesting thing. Let's interrupt this segment

to interrupt the segment. Well, because in the pause I went, OMFG! You gotta hear this! Yeah, Steve said, oh my fucking god, and we were like, you know Steve, David Clarkson getting traded, Dionne Foof getting traded, that's an OMFG. But this is a what? But this is

not only a Steve Dangle OMFG, this is a on my second consecutive coffee, OMFG. Oh, okay. So instead, hey, here's an interesting thing from Ineffective Math on Twitter. Fourth place in the Pacific is on pace for 91 points. Fourth in the Central is on pace for 91 points.

Fourth in the Atlantic is on pace for 90 points. Fourth in the Metropolitan, 101 points. Wow. Holy shit. Wow, that's crazy. That's unbelievable. Anyway, go ahead with your better thing. Rewarded with the eighth seed.

Yeah. It's true. It's true. Now, Steve sent us a clip of a transcript of Don Cherry. Oh. A word-for-word transcription of Don Cherry describing Jared Spurgeon's goal. He's playing for the Wild, obviously, and scored a beautiful goal. Yeah, this tweet went pretty viral.

Goal of the week. and it's hysterically funny because in only Don's way can it be described, right? So, Steve, you do a Don Cherry impression. I want you to read the tweet as though you're Don Cherry and then I'm going to play the actual clip

so you can hear how Don Cherry did it and we'll see how close Steve gets it. Okay. Oh, very interesting. Okay. Oh, man. Because I watched this live and I remember just being so caught up in the footage

that I wasn't paying attention to what he said. I wasn't paying attention either and I was at Steve's house. That's right. That's right. All right. Are you ready? I'm ready.

Jared Spurgeon, goal of the week. Watch this here, boy. Watch. Jared Spurgeon, goal of the week. Watch this here, boy. Watch this kid.

No, see, it's so. It's hard. Disconnected that it's hard to read. Yeah, that's my point. All right, try to get through it. Try to get through it. Keep going. Just keep going.

Jared Spurgeon, goal of the week. Watch this here, boy. Watch this here, kid. This is Put it in Watch this Gets it out

He's way to go He plays baseball Watch this here Goal of the week Way to go And listen And listen They need all the help

They can get And way to go Jared boy Put it in there And we And we And we got He got it in

Alright, alright, alright Now From the top Can I do it one more time? Yes, try to get it all the way through. I figured it would take a couple tries. This is really hard. This is great.

We have to do this with Don sometimes. Yeah, I gotta move. John, can you read your own words? Oh, my God. I think he would walk out. Would you think he'd get mad at us for that? I think he'd be mad. I think he'd have a good sense of humor about it.

I think he'd take it as you're mocking him. Well, we're not. Well, is this mocking him? That's a Don-ism. Like, Don can't deny that. Anyway. Jared Spurgeon goal of the week

watch this here boy watch this here kid this is put it in watch this gets it out he's way to go he plays baseball

watch this here goal of the week way to go and listen they need all the help they can get way to go Jared boy

put it in there and we got he got it in pretty damn good Steve Daigle let's have a listen

but anyway Jared Spurgeon can we see the Jared Spurgeon goal of the week watch this here boy watch this here kid this is

put it in watch this It's way to go. He plays baseball. Watch this here. Goal of the week. Way to go. And listen, they need all the help they can get.

And way to go, Jared Boyd. Put it in there. We got it in. We got it in. Say whatever. Oh, my God. Isn't that great? Do you want to play that one more time?

God bless him. You want to play it again? I mean, you know what? I don't agree with him all the time, but he is an, what, an 87-year-old man? No, I think he's 83. No, 82, 83. Whatever. man he's over 80

and he's on national television every week killing it you want to hear it again oh my god yeah but anyway Jared Spurgeon can we see the Jared Spurgeon

Jared Spurgeon go to the week watch this here boy watch this here kid there's a certain there's an added beauty to this tweet that I didn't even

recognize at first because I'm like I don't think that's how you spell Jared Spurgeon and it's not but it's because he calls him Jared Spurgeon here we go

but anyway Jared Spurgeon can we see the Jared Spurgeon Jared Spurgeon go to the week watch this here boy watch this here kid this is

put it in watch this it's an out way to go he plays baseball watch this here goal of the week way to goal

and listen they need all the help they can get and way to go Jared boy put it in there we got it in we got it in

Shea Weber you know you imagine it's like Don can you describe like imagine Don Cherry is your math teacher

holy shit that's how my math teacher alright we got this guy Pythagoras and he's got he's got this theory and you got your bed mass here you got your division daddy mommy

and you got your brother sister and divide and you add it up and you know and that's how you long divide kids oh my gosh anyway that was fun I just thought we would have some fun with that so okay I thought quietly yesterday

the Sens made a pretty good signing with Zach Smith am I wrong? centerman? I was thinking about this too. Two and a half million dollars a year for a centerman that gets half a point a year. 3.25. Oh, 3.25? I think so. Oh, I thought it was four-year, 12-year.

Four-year extension, 12 million? That's a lot different. Who's right? Yeah. Divide that, Adam. Oh. Sorry. Yeah, anyway. Adam and I took math together. This is why I'm bad. So anyway, I thought for, well, okay,

so 3 million a year? 3.25, I want to say 3.25 People were saying There were people Oh it's too high Everybody says that Instantly when someone

Assigned it Just like the rent Just like Too damn high Too damn high Zach Smith's cap hit Is too damn high Too damn high

Is it though For what a Centerman costs And this guy scores And he's got I believe 22 points in 44 games Thus far Okay

So that's half 22 points in 43 games 43 games And what did he have Last season 36 in 81 Okay For what a centering costs, we were talking about this.

Who's the example you always use for the $5 million in Tampa? Valtteri Filippola. Valtteri Filippola. $5 million guy. Man, second line centers are so expensive. Is Zach Smith a second line center? No, but he's not getting second line center money. You know what he's getting?

Third line center money? Good third line center money. Would you call him an elite third liner? I sure would. But honestly, if that's what centermen cost, if Valtteri Foppola is a $5 million player, is Zach Smith not a $3.25 million center? You look at what Antoine Vermette fetched.

Now, the argument I think a lot of people would make is try to find someone who is a cheap journeyman UFA or a rookie to fill that spot. But 3.25 for a center, and if you're comfortable with him, both ends of the ice, he's going to contribute a little bit. That's not a terrible contract. Centers are so expensive now. We think, oh, right-handed defenseman.

I think it's centers. I think centers might be the premium in the NHL. They're the ones making, I mean, you never see a center even traded. Now let me throw this out there. Except for like what, Ryan Johansson last year? Absolutely. Let me throw this out there. Yeah, but who was he traded for?

A right-handed shot defenseman. Right. So it was two highly sought-out commodities traded for each other. What's one of the best contracts in the league? We always talk about it. We always say, oh, JVR. Great contract. Great contract.

He hits UFA. What's he make? Like an extra $2 million on top of what he's making? At least. $6.25? I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't think that's unreasonable at all. How long until we talk about Nazem Khadri having one of the best contracts in the NHL?

If we could go through that again, what would be—it's a six-year deal worth how much? Josie, can you bring that up? It's four point something. 4.25, I believe. I want to say 4.5. What were your guesses? I said 4.5. 4.25.

4.5. Ah! Because Morgan Rielly got the five. That's right. There. And Jake Gardner's 4.25. Kadri is on like— He is not.

What is he? 4.05. Oh, my God. Who's this? Jake Gardner Oh boy, that's a good one too Holy smokes, yeah That's a good one too

That was a great Nona signing Nona signing, I don't know It was Nona signing Yeah, yeah, it was Nona It was, it was Give the man his due Gotta give it to him Pay the man his money

Which they are Kadri Hits the open market Let's say I always say Let's pretend Their contract expires End of the season

What does What does Kadri get If he, if If the game against Calgary was the last game he plays all season What does he get if he goes to free agency? Can you bring his stats up, Jesse? The guy's on close to a 40 goal pace I don't know if he'll sustain that

But let's say he's going to break 30 He's on like a 35 goal pace As a center Especially the reputation he's built Over this year As kind of a shut down guy A shut down guy who can score 30 goals?

Kadri gets at least 5.5, maybe 6 What would you like to know? I would like to know his points to date. He has 33 points in 45 games. So he's on pace for like 60 points, 35 goals. As a guy, you play against everyone's top centers. He gets Nuge money. Whatever Ryan Nugent Hopkins is making, I think that's what Kadri gets.

Nuge is making in the six. Yes, he sure is. Also interesting are his power play goals. He's got 10 this year, and his previous season high was seven. Wow! Yeah, I got to, you know, for as unlucky as Kadri was last year, he is equally lucky this year. Is he, though?

I don't know, because he is doing things a little differently. His shooting percentage is pretty normal, isn't it? 14.2. It's a little high. That's a little high, but it's not crazy. What's a normal shooter, 11? 10? Well, a guy of Kadri's caliber, yeah, maybe 11, 12.

Okay, so it's not crazy. He's at a 10.2 in 2015. He was? Yeah. Last season? No, last year he had the crazy one where it was 6.5. The year before, he was at a regular 10.2. So he's due for a little bit over the bar in terms of average.

Even if he slows down, though, he's going to crack 30. Yeah. If you slow down a couple percentages to normal, that's well over 30. That's 32, 33. There is no way Kadri hits the open market this upcoming summer and gets less than 5.5 or 6. There's no way.

And he's making 4.5 as a center in the NHL when centers are getting paid through the nose. You know when that's going to come in handy? When they have to re-sign Marner and Matthews. Yeah, yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Spend your money wisely. And Nylander. And I know we've talked about that being a no-man's land

in terms of value. Well, not when you're paying a guy four and a half who you should be paying six. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think when you overpay at five, when you're overpaying at five, maybe we should amend it. When it's like, wow, that's top-end money for a guy. You know what I mean?

And it's amazing what decimals will do. Because if Kadri makes five, we go, oh, is he really a $5 million player? Signs for four and a half, and you go, yeah, okay. Don't even really talk about it. Even after last year, which was arguably— Was there any worry that he would live up to that? No. Not much.

Not much. Seemed like a fair deal. Bernier was like two years. I tried to defend that, I think, at the time, and that didn't work out. Yeah. Whatever. Kadri, man. That's so wicked.

I saw there was a great tweet of Kadri to all his critics from the past few years, and it's Mr. Bean in a car going, flipping everyone off. Well, he's been outstanding. And from what we've heard, too, from the dressing room, and obviously there were, I don't know how deep the personality issues would have been when he got suspended by the team or what would have happened. I don't know what happened.

I'm assuming it was a sleep-in. It seems like that has all turned around. And you know, I think Nazem Kadri knows. You've had great bosses, right? Yeah. Great bosses that have inspired you. And you've had bosses that have been brutal. Yeah.

I've had brutal bosses and I've had bosses. I have a boss now that is inspiring. Like, in radio, love, love this guy. And I got to tell you, it makes a difference every single day. And Nazem Kadri probably has to look at Mike Babcock and go, okay, okay, yeah, I could go sign for bigger money somewhere else, or I can play for this guy and make a little bit less, but a longer term. They probably got him on that sixth year to bring that money down.

So I'm still making the money over a longer period, and I get to play for this guy. And the Leafs signed him, by the way, so the great thing about the six-year contracts for Kadri and Riley, if I'm not mistaken, the Leafs bought, within those six years, four UFA years for Kadri. Such a great contract, man. Such a great contract. Yeah, it's awesome. He's, what, 31 at the end of it? Yeah.

Come on. Come on. That's a beautiful deal. It's a beautiful, beautiful deal. And it sort of keeps him motivated, because at 31, he's still going to want to go out and make big money, and he'll deserve it if he deserves it. Yeah, I mean, the Leafs will be going for the third cup by then. I hope so. And will Babcock be up by then?

Maybe four, conservatively. Will Babcock's contract be up by then? No. He'll still have like a year left or two. Wow. Amazing. Well, he, oh man, I'm trying to remember when he said it. I think it was at the World Cup.

He said something like, well, you know, things are going to go better in Toronto. And, you know, I got an eight-year deal here. And then things are going to be going so good that I signed for another two. And then I'm here for 10. And then maybe then I'll retire. Something like that. My favorite thing was when Canada won, he was like, this is the way things are going to go in Toronto.

This is the way things are going to go here in Toronto. What a ballsy move. They had just finished last. Truculent, you might say. Pugnastic. Pugnastic. But, like, okay, you got to give Kadri some credit. He developed himself into a fine young man.

But these Leafs don't look the same as they did a couple years ago. And Kadri doesn't either Bozak doesn't You know we spent a lot of Kadri's early 20s As Leaf fans going what is he Because I remember he was marketed As this guy who Was supposed to be a John Tavares

Supposed to be a goal scorer And he has scored a lot of goals But it's For me with Kadri we didn't know Because the team didn't seem to They didn't give him parameters They didn't give him goals And the main thing

that I think a great... Be better. Yeah. Play defense. Be a good pro. What the hell does that mean? I think that's the problem with the Leafs from before.

Babcock, each and every player when they go out, they know what their job is. And he just says, do your job and we'll be fine. I read something about Sashnikov

and like he wants to be like shooting more and dangling more and all that, but he knows his role. He's on the fourth line. Yeah. So we were criticizing him

for not having any points. Well, how is he supposed to get points? He's on the fourth line. That's his role right now. It might not be his role forever, but it's his role right now. And that's what I love about Babs. You go out to the ice prepared.

You have a goal. This is my job. This is what I do. And these are the only things that I have to worry about because that's my job. And it is pretty ruthless, though. Because for every cadre, there's a Peter Holland. Yeah, but also for every cadre, there's 10 Peter Holland skill levels. Well, and this is the thing.

I'm sorry, but Peter Holland might have scored coming back from Arizona. It's not with Arizona, but it's not like he lit things up in Arizona. I don't think he's done a whole heck of a lot. He had a good opening couple games. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. He hasn't been there very long.

Can we talk about Frank Corrado? Oh, okay. What's there to talk about? So we haven't talked about him since he played. Yeah. I felt bad, man. You get so few shots, you can't miss. And he missed.

I think he missed. He missed. I don't think, you know, and maybe this is something we as fans didn't consider. because we mistrust management so much because of where we've been through in terms of Randy Carlisle making questionable decisions, Dave Nones making questionable decisions

even Brian Burke making questionable decisions and John Ferguson Jr. and Ron Wilson it's been years and years and years of questionable decisions maybe Frank Corrado's just not good enough I so here's what I said

because we talked about where his fitness is at and we're not sure He took penalties Making brain dead decisions How is his hockey sense Supposed to be crisp I don't think it I can't imagine it would be Well the conditioning stint

Yeah I don't think that's it Seven games in the minors Is how he's supposed to be crisp Come on now Come on now And Nikita Zaitsev Took two penalties

In the first period A couple games ago The only difference is It didn't cost his team I guess Poor Corrado Poor Corrado He's played two games

Five minutes I know He took two penalties In five minutes And in his one previous game He took a penalty Against the Penguins That led to a goal

Poor guy man He might get another shot If Marincin's not good to go Against Detroit or Philly He'll at least have First Detroit Yeah And don't confuse this for

I don't know Don't confuse this for I don't want Corrado To succeed That's not the case But I also have to say We're assuming This guy's good enough

I am Because I saw him play He was fine It wasn't that bad. Can I tell you? No, no, no. I mean last season. Oh, last season.

He didn't look good to me this season. How could he possibly? They've assassinated this asset. Corrado is going to have to hope that he somehow escapes the Leafs and is able to rebuild his career. Because what's he to do? What's he to do? But maybe he was never good enough to make this team.

We'll never know. Right. We will never know. In fact, but from what we do know, he's not. Yeah, but now it's whose fault is that? I think it's a little bit of shared fault. Sure. This guy wanted to be a Leaf.

I don't know. I guess we'll never know. It's Detroit, by the way. It is Detroit? Okay. That's the start of a seven-game road trip. Woo! Yeah, but at least it's broken up.

Yeah. By the All-Star break. They'll go Philly on Thursday, then Tuesday in Dallas. Shucks. And that's when you make up some of those games against Boston. Because then you're just back-to-back. They should have been a good road team, though. Into it.

Boy, I hope they get Riley back. I think they will. Day-to-day. Anyway, with Frankie, and again, it's not a thing on him. And maybe he just wasn't. Maybe he just doesn't have it. Maybe. And now it's at the point where he's eighth.

We know he's eighth. and the only way we're going to see him again like I'm not even cheering to see him again because yeah someone has to be hurt and Polak and Hunwick are down

someone has to be hurt and I'm not into that and Hunwick and Polak have grown on me a little bit because they can kill penalties hey man Leafs have a good penalty kill and they kill penalties

what do you want exactly alright let's do the press conference they deserve credit for that My questions are never good, by the way Are you going to apologize? I've been conditioned to just take shit Are you going to apologize to the Atlanta Falcons?

Last podcast, you said they had no chance against Green Bay Because Green Bay was playing out of their mind I did say that Are you going to apologize? Do I have to apologize for having an opinion on that? Here, follow-up question from Steve D Are Atlanta Falcons fans going to thank Adam Wilde for the wild jinx, which applies to football.

Do I have to apologize for that, or do I just say I'm wrong? Because I don't have a problem saying I'm wrong. I don't know what I have to apologize for. I didn't say the Atlanta Falcons are bad people. I just thought that Green Bay was better, and we're playing out of their mind. That's the thing. See, I don't have to apologize for my opinion. I could just say I'm wrong, right?

I was wrong. Sure. So the answer is no. I'm not going to apologize for that. I believed one thing. And it turned out not to be the case. For the Super Bowl... And I was right about the Patriots and Steelers,

even though I'm a Steeler fan. Yeah. Right? For the Super Bowl, I am going to do what any non-football fan should do, and that's stuff myself stupid. Oh, okay. And no, I'm not going to bet.

I'm going to cheer for the Falcons because they're not the Patriots. Yeah, I might cheer for the Falcons too. And at the end of the day, I don't actually care. I want free reign to have as much chicken wings as I can eat. Trivia.

How many games do the Leafs play in the 28th day month of February? Oh, oh dear. What? Is the number, okay, how many games do the Leafs play in February, which is only 28 days? I'm hoping the number is less than 14? 15. Oh yeah, okay, so 13. 14.

They play every other day in February. Damn. Steve, this is probably. This is going to be a grind Because they have a lot of games to make up But they're young They're going to start falling I think they might need that depth

What? I think the Leafs are going to start playing awful My name is Steve Bangle No, I'm getting injured Is what I was saying Oh, I think it's falling in the standings Jesse and I were talking last night About how upset you were

About the Freddie Anderson contract last summer You guys keep bringing that up That's why it makes me laugh No, because you're so upset, though. I think you're overshading it. Yeah, you were pretty upset. You were pretty upset. And even if it wasn't on this show, in private, you were.

And it's not because... I just forgot. Listen, man, it's not because you were wrong in that particular instance. It was because you were so passionate about it. Because I... You were so scared. And it's like, sometimes with you, you're like, it's like, wow, man, this is the moment when bad stuff starts to happen.

You are literally... It's like, welcome to Worst Case Scenario, starring Steve Dangle. Dude, when it was rumored, remember there were a few hours where it was like the Leafs were in a hot pursuit of Chris Russell. I couldn't leave my house. Like, I was so frightened that they might offer this guy. And some people would be like, oh, he hasn't been that bad for the Oilers. The rumor was he was going to make over $5 million. Boy, did his agent misread that market.

Whatever, he still got a good deal out of it. But I did not want that. So bad. So bad. That rumor was so bad that they signed Polak and Martin, and I was like, cool, good. It was not. It just needs to be laughed.

So do you think the Leafs will grind this through, though? You might see some injuries. Do you think they'll come out? I hope so. Do you think they'll come out 500 or above or below? Above. Above. Now, what do we count as 500?

Because if you look at the Leafs' record, they are actually below 500. They've lost more games than they've won But nine of those losses were in overtime or shootout So what about, okay, let's look at it like this I think six shootout losses What if it's Six or seven

How many points are they going to come away with? Out of how many? Oh, like at the end of the season? There's 28 potential points up for grabs in February Oh, you mean in February Oh How many points do they get? Fifteen

hmm that's pretty low it's above 500 though hmm I'm gonna say 20 I hope you're right I think it's because they're young

I think I don't think the injuries are gonna bite them the same way I hope not I hope not too man again this is the line

on the sand this is where they die can you forgive me for being gun shy with the Leafs it's just great like it's so funny cause it's

I've just been smacked so many times and you're like why are you afraid of getting smacked I've been smacked too many times all the evidence

to the contrary exists and yet here you are going well the sky's falling kids it's over now you're asking me to trust that Lucy is not gonna pull

the football away and all I've done is seen her pull it away time and time again that's true I am yeah you're right

not that I don't love you I think Steve's answer is a lot more reasonable yeah it's probably gonna be closer to 15 closer to 15 you know

you know who we gotta to give some credit, though. Ten wins? You know who we've got to give some credit with regards to Freddie Anderson? Certainly not me.

Nick Kiprios. And I pointed at Jesse because that's where Kiprios was sitting. Kiprios said the Leafs will go as far as Freddie Anderson can take them.

And I don't know if he counted on the rookies being this good, but absolutely right. He's right. You know what? Matthews goes down, Leafs are in a lot of trouble. Marner goes down,

Leafs are in a lot of trouble. Freddie goes down, pack it over. You're right. It's over. You're absolutely right. Two questions. Do you eat Kraft dinner with a fork or a spoon?

Fork. Fork. Oh. Interesting. I often recommend spoon for things of that nature, but Kraft dinner is fork. Any particular reason, do you think? Because I can't think of one. No.

All right. You got to stab the noodles. You could also just scoop. They're so tiny, you could scoop them. I don't know, but I'm thinking about the fork. feeling of a spoon and it's just my body's like that's not right no you're supposed to have a fork you know why i do the fork because when you put a spoon in your mouth it blocks your taste buds from the actual food right you think so yeah so the fork the fork allows you to taste

you'd think that but you taste more metal than you do craft dinner with a spoon that's kind of I don't know how you stick spoons in your mouth. Like a normal person. Maybe a little bit further back. Adam goes like this. But there's no food on the spoon yet? He just licks it and he's like, this tastes awful. That's how I get my iron.

You should drop the food in your mouth with the spoon. And then eat it like that. Sounds messy. You should talk to your son. Here's the airplane. And just drop it in. Listen, that's why I use a fork. You ask me why, that's why I do it.

I think all Canadians have their own recipe for Kraft dinner. I think they do, too. Do you have one? Well, first off, white cheddar is the only option. Okay. Now, do you buy the white cheddar or do you put the white cheddar in? Well, you buy the white cheddar and you could put more white cheddar on. Or if you want to mix it up, put a little sharp orange cheddar on top of the white cheddar.

Whoa. On top of the one that comes in the powdered one? Yeah, but I want the powdered white cheddar. Yeah. I want that. And actually, I'm a big PC fan when it comes to that. Not KD. The knockoff KD.

Yeah, well, it's better. It's macaroni and cheese is what it is. Yeah, it's not, Katie. It's like Kleenex. No, it's tissue. Velveeta? I've never had Velveeta. Oh, my God.

It's like the high-class version of Kraft Dinner. The high-class version of Kraft Dinner. Oh, I've never had it. It's incredible. Is it really? Yeah. Noodles or spirals? Either.

I'm good with it. I like spirals because they carry more cheese. See, a lot of people are very passionate about this. Spirals, yes, for that reason. Do you do hot dogs? No. I used to. No.

Love hot dogs. No. In your craft dinner? No. Why? I don't know. Something about it I don't like. Do you do...

Bacon bits are okay. Bacon bits are good? Bacon bits are good. So it's basically carbonara. Kind of. Yeah. You need like some egg in there, dude. Green onion.

Green onion? Pro tip. Yeah. Pro tip. Green onion. Ketchup? No ketchup. Ketchup.

It depends on how I'm feeling. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Barbecue sauce sometimes. No. Hot sauce sometimes. Yeah, what did you say? Hot sauce?

Sriracha? Yeah. Interesting. I love hot sauce. I could definitely go for some Katie right now. I'm just saying. I could hit that. Panago pizza.

It's what's on the inside. Yo, Katie pizza? It's a thing. It's been done. Pasta pizza? Yeah. But has it been done with Panago? No.

Needs to. That's our pizza, gentlemen. We need to Panago get some right now. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. We've been talking about what would be the Steve Dangle podcast pizza. I think that's it. Craft dinner?

Yeah, a little craft dinner. At least on it somewhere Maybe the pizza can be several Like several slices Of different things Instead of tomato sauce It's maple syrup No

No No no Tomato sauce My neighbor used to get Barbecue sauce underneath Instead of tomato sauce It tasted different It used to always make me sick

That's not pizza though Also that much barbecue sauce That's a lot of sugar Yeah It made me feel sick It made me feel sick Like I don't want to eat Spoonfuls of barbecue sauce

I would literally run laps Around the block And then like barf And fall asleep Like a drunk person I can see that I can see that, yeah. Oh, my God.

That's a bleh. No. Final question. No, go, Steve. No, I was just going to say, I want to know everyone else's recipes. Let's see it. Let's put that up on our Reddit page.

I would love to know. I want it. If you could have a conversation with 2007 you, how would the conversation go? Just for Steve? Both of you. Oh, God. When were we in 2007?

Did you start the videos? Yeah, in October 2007. So I had just, in October 2007, if that's the starting point, I had just, I believe, got on the air in Barry. I was 19. So that would make sense. Wow. Yeah.

It's December 31st, 2007. What do you say to little old Steve and Adam? What do you say to Steve, Steve? Stick with the videos Stick with your girlfriend Because But you did that More importantly

Yeah I know It's not advice Cause you did it Yeah I guess I guess that's true Do what I would've done Do what I Exactly how I live

Good job Just good job It's just me High-fiving my younger self And then you leave You're the best You're the best And guess what

You're gonna be better Oh my god Oh what a self-congratulation fest Wow That would be That would literally be congratulating myself um this is an opportunity to improve yourself steve not just give yourself a high five i'd say stop dicking around with this like if you're gonna do the videos do them

seriously because i like where i am i'm happy with where i am but like boy like this is my 10th season and it took a good five seasons to not suck i think personally You're always going to be your harshest critic though I am always going to be my harshest critic But I was just talking shit Like at the camera Which now I at least think a little bit About what I'm going to say

I think about story structure I don't interrupt myself To be like you know what would probably be more interesting Like no Fucking go into it with a plan of what you're going to say You idiot Stop looking at the screen You're talking to the camera jackass

Get a better software Make an investment In yourself Stop buying Stop buying hockey cards So you can afford a camera Oh I'm broke Yeah cause you keep

Buying hockey cards You stupid fuck Stop buying Sixty dollar boxes Of hockey cards Yeah well I got Novechkin rookie In one of them

Yeah in one of them You broke prick See There we go There we go It came out It came out We need to push him

Alright Adam Pre-drink more You're spending too much at the bar. Yes. See, I didn't have a choice in pre-drinking in Halifax

because I was so poor. I've eaten ketchup sandwiches. Speaking of Brian McGrath and sending people home and eating ketchup, I've eaten ketchup sandwiches because that's all I had was bread and ketchup.

Have you ever gotten breakfast and only eaten toast? Yes. Like you've gone out to breakfast? Yeah. I did that once. I used to go to a farm to get a box of chicken breasts

so I could have protein and they flash froze them and it was in Nova Scotia. It basically means they freeze them instantly. so when you thaw them they're not as bad

so it was organic chicken which was great because it was directly from the farm farm to table but it also and then I would have frozen vegetables

that is all I had that was it and I had $100 to party I budgeted $100 to party every week which is a lot

when I think about it and I would always like reward myself if I didn't spend it so what I would do was literally drink pre-drink I'd spend like

$10, $15 on pre-drinking, then it's $10 to get into a bar or something like that, or $5 or whatever, and then you nurse a beer or two all night. I mooched. You mooched. I mooched a lot. And I feel bad, but okay, so our friends Derek and Andy take advantage of this, because I used to mooch off them hard.

So now, whenever we go to the bar, like, I feel obligated to pay. Like, we got shareable poutine and shareable, I think it was calamari the other day. We all ate it. I paid for both. Because you owe them. they both have four years

they're both gainfully employed but I'm like well and it's and they regularly will be like yeah remember that time you remember that time

and I'm like it sounds like them man I had a few of your James Reddy's like can we calm down yeah really can we calm down you didn't spend a fortune

on the I drank James Reddy for a good year and a half yeah okay so have you ever had James Reddy Jesse James Reddy is

literally toilet water and but it used to be a buck a beer and it was 5.5 And my friends used to drink it, and I would go back. I would go back home after working in Barrier, working in Halifax, and go, what the hell is wrong with you guys?

And they'd be like, it's the best. I would go back home. Well, I left. Sorry, I know, I know. So it was, until you've left and come back, you don't know what it's like to go back home, right? And that's why I say it that way. But for me, what I would say to my younger self,

if someone treats you poorly, if someone treats you poorly, and you can't figure out why chances are it's not your fault i i like the bill burr advice never be afraid to fire a friend yeah and i meant i i meant this with with ex-girlfriends um the things that i used to let people that i dated get away with and then i would take the blame for is unbelievable to me now but i i'm glad i went through that but like i remember the key is to never get too up or too down on yourself, right? In life. Just never get too high on yourself and never get too low because neither is true. And I remember just being like earth shattered about something that

someone had said years and years ago, like a girlfriend would say that something or they would treat me like crap. And it took me a while to go, no, that's unacceptable. How come I've been putting up with this for several years or a year and a half or eight months or whatever it was and you kind of go oh i don't have to do that what did i tell you when you met caprice what did i what did i say was one of the most important things in a relationship i'm not gonna lie i had decent relationship advice for a guy who had not been in many uh set a set a precedent as in teach them how do you want to be treated precedents teach people how you want to be treated i think it's fair i think and she did the same with me well it's and it's a mutual thing

It's You get into a relationship And you're in the honeymoon phase And oh You love each other And all you want to do Is be nice And you never want to have

Any conflict Or anything So you let them Get away with stuff They let you get away With stuff No no no Have a couple more arguments

Not big blow up End of the world Relationship Arguments are Are supposed to be Just very calm Difficult conversations Yes

If they do something That bugs you Let them know Because here's what happens then they do that thing that bugs you and then they keep doing it and keep doing it not knowing that it bugs you

and then six months later you go and you look like a psychopath because they've been doing this thing for six months and you blow up out of nowhere why would you do that? no

right away hey I don't like that you do this and believe me it's never over something big which makes you look like even more of a psycho here's why it's like

just be like you know listen I don't like that here's why yeah here's why and here's why here's why

yeah And then they Believe me If the person really likes you They'll stop Yeah And they Cause nobody

And if they don't like you Then they won't stop Break up with them And no matter how big or small it is The next time they do it Because you know They'll do it again For sure

Takes a while to break a habit At least you get to go Yeah but I told you I don't like that Yeah You know what I mean You don't have to have these And we're not

Blow ups Steve's a good relationship advice guy Very good at it Get stuff out of the way Put it on the open It's like lying on a date It's like playing yourself up on a date, which is hard to avoid. You're lying to your potential partner, right?

I had that. And they're lying to you. I had somebody lie to me about every single member of their family. It was unbelievable. What do you mean? That's weird. About what their parents did, what their siblings did. Like about their jobs?

Yeah. Why? It was bad. I don't. Well, I think the answer is when this happens, because I've been through just about pretty much everything. If I've ever been cheated on, I don't know about it, and that's okay. I prefer not to know at this point.

I'm sure it's happened, but I don't know. But I've been through just about everything else. And I can tell you, it is a weird feeling when you find out what... Because sometimes a lie isn't a lie. It's a stretch of the truth. A ginormous... It's an exaggeration. It's an alternate fact.

Ah, okay. To quote Kellyanne Conway, it's an alternate fact. Another ex-girlfriend of Adam, by the way. He went through a stretch. This person was just highly, highly, highly insecure. And before I realized it, I was deep into the relationship, so you just don't bring it up. But it always bugged me that this person had lied about their family.

And eventually the relationship ended. But she lied about it. So what else are they lying about? I never did. And that goes back to my original thing, which was, that goes back to my original thing, Which is, you know, if someone makes you feel bad about you out of the blue for no reason and it's and it's your partner, the person who can hurt you the most, don't accept it if you didn't do anything wrong. And I did that.

I was so good at accepting blame for things I never did and so good for letting people off the hook for things they did that I didn't like. So if I could talk to my 17-year-old or 2007 self, 19-year-old self, I would say do that and stick with what you're doing. You're working very hard. The career stuff, you'll just continue to work as hard as you possibly can. The career stuff will happen. And also, I say be kindly ruthless. So like when I say don't be afraid to fire a friend, that doesn't mean you need to punch him in the face and call him a dick. and I'm never speaking to you again.

No. You just back away. That's all. You back away. But in some cases, evaluate whether or not it's good to forgive because it feels really good to do that. For example, I'll tell you a story.

This girl, she was a friend of my wife's. Supposedly one day she was just having a really bad day and I came up. They were just talking about me. And she was having a bad day and she was not at a great point in her life. and they were talking about my job, whatever I was doing at the time.

I was probably working like, you know, I was probably in that like 2012 phase where I was doing like six things at once. Yeah. And she basically goes, yeah, well, how long is that little fairy tale going to last? And so I found out about this and she kind of fell out with my wife

and like we stopped being friends for a while. But then after a while, like we realized, okay, she was just going through a shitty time at the time and she's not actually a bad person and she started to come back into her life. come back in, come back in, like right around our wedding. But she wasn't on our list. She wasn't on the list for the wedding. And then, and we did feel bad about that because had that little falling out not happened, she was right in there and she would have been unquestionably

at the wedding. Two days before the wedding, a spot opens up, one spot. So I call her up and I go, I can't give you a plus one, but it would mean a lot to us if you came. Oh, she starts crying on the phone and she's yeah yeah i'll come and she came and now we're friends with her again so that felt good yeah allow room and go i think i think the key here is that um when people show you who they truly are believe them also be weary of someone who's really good at asking for forgiveness because it's hard to get good at something without practice yeah that's so evil wow why is that evil damn that's a good one just the entire the entire idea behind it is so evil.

Wow. I mean, man. You know what, Jesse? I'm much older than you and I've experienced no, you know what I mean though, right? Oh, yeah. Just thinking about a person who would do that is very evil. I've met these people.

Just people who are too they're a little too good at adapting. If someone makes you uncomfortable and you can't explain why, just remember that you don't have to explain why. They just make you uncomfortable. Stay away. Again, you don't got to punch them in the dick.

You don't got to run away. You don't got to do a big diatribe about them. You just fade away. Yeah. Fade away. It's okay not to text people back. It's okay. Yeah, and they'll call you a dick and that's fine.

Let them call you a dick. If you're not a dick, then it doesn't matter. Yeah. Curious. Oh my God. So much wisdom. And if they tell your friends and your friends believe in them, then they're... Yeah.

How does this start? I asked you to talk to your 2007 self. Yeah. Well, we're wisdoming ourselves then. Dropping some wisdom moms. Shout out Milos Raonic before we go. He's going to play Rafael Nadal, and he's the number one. He's the highest seed left in the Australian Open.

He has a chance to become the first. He beat Rafa. He has a chance to become the first singles Canadian player ever to win a major champion. God, I hope he wins. We've had so many close calls. Yeah. So many close calls. Do you think Jeannie Bouchard is ever going to be the Jeannie Bouchard we saw flashes of?

Probably not, no. Why not? She's on an upswing, isn't she? She is. yeah she's coming back but I don't know I don't know if she's ever going to reach

that level again okay well there you go she's still like I think she'd be the youngest person in this room right yeah oh yeah

yeah she's 22 oh come on yeah she's got lots of room to grow come on who knows yeah she'll be okay yeah she'll be

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