The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Mar 2, 2017 - Past Due

Episode Date: March 2, 2017

On this episode, the guys talk about all of the magical wonder of the trade deadline, Frank Corrdado, the Canucks, Flames, Habs, Sens, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. What was the bigger trade deadline victory? What was the bigger trade deadline victory? Was it Iginla out of the tire fire in Colorado to crown himself in Los Angeles? Oh, he crowned himself. Adam. Or is it now that Frankie Corrado is an eventual Stanley Cup champion? Oh, boy.

Which is the bigger victory? There's Jerome McGinley, who is on a much better team, but might not even make the playoffs still. Are you saying the Kings are better than the Penguins? No, no, I'm saying the Kings might not even make the playoffs. Oh, right, right, yes. It's all very confusing. And then there's Frankie Corrado, who is with a much better team,

but may not see a single NHL game. He'll be one of those guys where if the Penguins win the Cup, he'll raise it. May get a ring, probably not. Won't get his name on it. Won't get his name on it. Unless he plays. I think you have to play like half the games or something? I think it's half the playoff games or one game in the final.

Okay. If you play one single solitary game in the final. That should be what the Florida Panthers do To entice people to renew for their season tickets Rather than signing a one day contract We'll give you the one day contract On like a game day during the final And we'll let you put your one skate on the ice

And then get off the bench And then you play You have one second of ice time You take warm up I'm just going So let's talk about that Corrado deal for a second Sure It's going to be one of many deals

Because despite the complaints, that's what we're all about here, the Leafs. I think I finally figured out this deal. I think I finally figured it out. What did you figure out? Okay, so let me just go through it. Eric Fair, who is signed through next season, $2 million a year. AHLer Steve Oleski, who will be up at the end of this year. Yeah, he's actually playing for the Marlies as we speak, because we are recording during the school day game.

We should have went. I know, right? Damn it! We should have just blown off the show. And we also got a fourth round pick for Frankie Corrado in this year's fourth, which is, I think, pretty solid return considering Frank Corrado was picked up for nothing. On waivers, yeah, there's a lot of Leaf waiver activity that's actually kind of nice. Yeah, one is they get, obviously, Frankie Corrado for nothing,

and then even though they didn't manage that asset that well, they turned him into a fourth. And also, I think part of that fourth is the salary dump of Eric Ferrer. Right, of course. But then I even look ahead to the expansion draft. And, you know, Marchenko, I think, is a guy the teams might look at, or Vegas might look at. Well, he was claimed non-waivers. Seth Griffith, there was a guy who was claimed non-waivers.

And he's done quite well with the Marlies. Absolutely. But anyway, staying on track here. So what that deal essentially is, is you can't make the trade Eric Fair and a fourth for nothing. So You make it Eric Fair

And a fourth And Steve Oleski The two defenders Cancel each other out Oleski And Corrado I would argue

Corrado is probably A better defender At least in the AHL Than Oleski They have about The same amount Of NHL experience Here's

Something that makes it A little more enticing For the Leafs And it takes A little bit of sting Off of the Eric Fair cap hit is Frank Corrado makes $600,000 no matter what

because he's a one-way contract. Steve Oleski, unless I read cap-friendly wrong, is on a two-way deal, and in the AHL he makes $300,000. So he makes half of what Corrado makes. So there's a little bit of relief. When you have a salary cap. Not on the cap, but financially. So if you have a two-way contract,

and I'm playing in the NHL, I'm making $600,000 in the NHL, say, just whatever it is. and you send me down, I'm making $300,000 in the A. Does that $600,000 now come off the cap in the NHL level? I think so, unless you're on a one-way deal. So if it's a two-way, the second that you're not on the team anymore, it doesn't count against the cap. That's my understanding.

See, if I were guys like Seth Griffith or Frankie Corrado or anybody that is going to be a restricted free agent, and the team comes to you and says, listen, we can offer you a one-way deal, but why don't we give you a two-way deal so that way you're not sitting up here if we're not using you? I think you want to be paid the big bucks.

But you could probably be evened out, right? Yeah, you want more money. You could probably, the Leafs could pay more money at the AHL level to get you to accept that. They could, but they couldn't pay 600 grand. They could maybe give you three or four. And you don't know if you're going to be

a career minor leaguer. There was a great example of this years ago where Joey Crabb's agent needed a raise. And I know we're talking about Joey Crabb here. It's a great example. Yeah. He was making nothing at the NHL level, but he was making a bunch at the AHL level. He gets called up at the end of the season, and he plays with the Leafs. And it looks like he'll probably be a Leaf the next year.

So the next contract he negotiated was less money at the AHL level, but more money at the NHL level. Well, he starts the next season in the AHL. But then he gets called up and ended up playing almost the entire season with the Leafs. So he made money on that deal. Right. So for those guys, you've got to get a little bit creative.

The agents have to be a little bit creative. Ben Scrivens was another one. When he was on his first contract with the Leafs, It was 600 grand at the NHL level, 60 grand, 6-0 in the AHL. So whenever he got called up, even if it was for a week or two, even though there's escrow and all that. He could buy himself another pickup. Yeah, which he still didn't.

But your salary increases tenfold, literally tenfold, minus escrow. I just think, you know, if you're Frank Corrado, fine, you don't make the same amount of money, but wouldn't you rather be playing? Of course. He was playing, though. He was playing. Say it's the difference of $100,000, right?

And you could be called out without having to be waived. Wouldn't you prefer that? Isn't that preferable? I don't think any player expects this to happen to them. And they figure, you know what, I'll just be sent on waivers. I'll just be put on waivers. I feel like guys like Corrado and Levo are outliers. Generally speaking, if you have a guy who you don't play for like 30 straight games, you just put him on waivers, and if you lose him, you don't feel sad.

Because, whatever, you weren't using him. That's what made Corrado so strange Fair enough It's like why are you afraid of using him Or sorry Not Sorry You're afraid of using him

And at the same time You're afraid of losing him Like I've never seen a player In that weird little purgatory Because he's worth a fourth round pick Obviously Apparently No but it's Eric Fair

Yeah it was worth a fourth round pick Yeah you're right You're right Who by the way Had played for George McPhee In Washington So he's a good chance He might get accepted

In the expansion That could be our one pick He is eligible That's interesting. It was great to talk about, because Lou Lamorello did say, he's like, we don't really have any problems. We don't have any problems with our expansion yesterday. That was my favorite part of his press conference.

He's like, we're really not concerned about it because we don't have any problems. Now, Eric Ferrer, it's a really great connection, right? And here's a guy that... That would be fantastic. If they do end up using him. We don't lose anybody. Yeah.

If they do end up using Eric Ferrer, though, that's a guy that just finished playing for the Penguins. and before that played for the Capitals. Knows how to win. Absolutely. I think he had 19 goals within recent memory. Went on a deep playoff run last year. This isn't a great player, but this isn't a player Babcock, I think,

is afraid to use. And, again, and this was the weird thing with the Leafs in the first half of the season, players do get hurt. What made it so hard for guys like Corrado and Levo? Nobody got hurt. Nobody got hurt. Now, you're looking at your spares being guys like potentially Levo later on, but right now it looks like Soshnikov and Ben Smith and Eric Fair.

That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. We're going to work our way backward here, but first I want to talk, like I said, we're going to talk about all the other teams, but obviously Leafs first because center of the universe. lost in the Brian Boyle deal was apparently

Valtteri Filippola could have been a Toronto Maple Leaf had he accepted a trade here now his cap hit is about 5 million dollars and I think he's up

at the end of next season next season so Eric Ferrer but better player and way more expensive could have been a part of a bigger sort of deal

I don't know what that would have entailed but he would have been a great pick up for the Leafs I think that would have been a pretty interesting deal

because I can't imagine how the Leafs give up the pick in that scenario. You know what I mean? Or at least not a second. Yeah. It's probably a much cheaper deal,

but it helps Tampa out a great deal. Funny that we would get Boyle and Philpula and it would be cheaper. So here's what I haven't heard a lot of people consider in this deal. Because some people were talking about the fear of Philpula going to

Robida Island. I'm going to go with the damn close to guarantee. You think so? Well, because the trade would be two centers. It'd be Boyle and Philpula. Yes, Philpula has a contract for next year.

But what about this year? Where's he going? Where's he going? He's not injured, though. Is he staying with the Leafs? This is the thing. I don't think the Leafs... And it was a cap dump.

It is a cap dump. I mean, I think he ended up in Philly. It was part of a three-way trade. Philly does get a player who can still play, for sure. But I think The trade was largely a cap dump And I heard Rumblings before

Babcock was even the Leafs head coach That part of the reason Philpula signed in Tampa Or rather Detroit Didn't re-sign Philpula Is because Philpula Because Babcock was like really you're going to give

Five million bucks to this guy Like Babcock wasn't exactly his biggest fan So you take into account You're able to control your own destiny Because he has some sort of clause The team that is asking to trade for you Is clearly doing it as a cap dump And you have a history with their coach

And it's not necessarily the greatest one Yeah, I'm rejecting that trade That's why I have that clause by the way I took less money to join your team And now you're trying to move me Into a bad situation As a cap dump? No, no, no, no, no, no, no

No, no, no. And three examples are sitting with the Marlies right now. Brooks Lake, Milan Mihalik, and Colin Greening of what can happen if you're kind of on the outside looking in. And people, it's funny, some people said, well, that's the price the Leafs pay. The price the Leafs pay. Would you do the FNUF trade again with the Sens? Yes. All day.

Would you do the Brooks Lake trade with the Capitals again? Yes. All day. All right, calm down. That is an acceptable casualty. I think the Leafs do business. That's the point. And people struggle with that because business is harsh.

But the fact of the matter is... It is particularly harsh with this organization. Holy smokes. But it had to be because they have the players. Like, who would you rather see in the lineup? Brooks Lake or Connor Brown? Connor Brown. Milan Mihalic or Josh Levo?

Josh Levo, after what I've seen the last few weeks. Holy smokes. Colin Greeding or Zach Hyman? I'll take Zach Hyman. Because that's the point. The Leafs played the best players. They played the players that made the team. And even Milan Mihalic actually made the team out of camp.

And they said, yeah, but now we actually have to weave this asset. Even scored a goal in the first five games. Now, that's interesting, though, because Sash, I believe, was hurt at the beginning of the season. So that's why. If he's not hurt, I bet he just makes it straight out of camp. And that's the thing. The Leafs did the right thing for them. And they have to.

They have to. It sucks for those players. But remember that they are making a very good living. Yes, it's frustrating. And they're free agents. So they can go and sign wherever they want now. Yeah, I feel a little bit bad for Mihalik, but he got a huge raise. Because, again, no escrow in the AHL.

The only issue is, so he came out on top financially for the short term. Who's going to re-sign him after this? Once his contract's done. There might be some takers, but it's not like he has mind-blowing numbers in the AHL. I don't know what they are. None of them do. None of them do. I would argue the best player in the AHL has been Greening.

But then they shouldn't have been on the Leafs. Yeah, exactly. No, 100%. It's cruel. Or is it reality? No, it's cruel, but it's just what it is. Right. Right.

Fair enough. I wrote something for Pennsburg, our buddy Mike Darnay over at Pennsburg. He's like, what can Penns fans expect? Oh, is he our buddy? Is he our pal? He's my guy. Is he taking our players and winning Stanley Cups with them? That is true.

You think he could just do that? I'm still not over Hal Gill. I'm not. I am not over Hal Gill either. Damn it. What the hell? We took Luca Caputi because he had an entertaining name and so much promise, and what did we get?

Nothing. He goes, what can Penguins fans expect out of Frankie Corrado? I'm like, man, let me know. He's played two games in recent memory. Okay, think of an on-ice memory of Frankie Corrado. Go. Him getting beaten really badly in one of the games he played this year against, I think it was Detroit or New Jersey, red jerseys.

I honestly, I have to be honest, and I know that it's sort of unfair to make that judgment. When he played, I could see why they weren't playing him. I still disagree with that. I still don't understand why Leaf fans have been so harsh to Corrado. Well, he just wasn't good enough. Leaf fans have been harsh to Corrado. Who has been harsh on Tracy?

After the one game he played, he didn't look good. Everybody was out in business. The argument that I had the entire time was, how could he possibly look good? You need to play hockey to be good at hockey. Before that game we talked about it on the show. And that's why I said it was unfair, but that's my memory. My memory is him getting beat, turnstile.

You put a chef on a desert island for a year and take them back. I bet their filet mignon doesn't taste as good this time around. Yes, you're right. The only memory I have of him, and what's funny is I didn't even see it live. I was actually in the car with you. He hit Andre Palat with a high hit And I had to look up the clip on YouTube And I was like, oh, that's what it looked like

He took a bunch of penalties that game too, didn't he? I don't remember, man Poor guy That was at the end of last season when they were finishing last, clearly Don't confuse me, I do feel bad for him I'm not saying that Totally, totally A fun thing about Phil Pula

He's also a player you have to protect in the expansion draft So if we had acquired him, he would have had to have been protected Which, you know what? I'm okay with him not being here for that reason So I'm thinking the Leafs get a pick, and Tampa does not. I don't know. I don't know how it would go. I think the Leafs had a fine deadline.

I didn't want them to get that much. Tampa's take on that deal was they didn't gain anything. They lost it because they gave up the seventh and the fourth, and they only got a fourth back. On the affiliate deal? I think you're right. Yeah, so they didn't get anything. But they gained a butt-ton of money that they can give to all the guys

that they previously couldn't afford. Tyler Johnson's up, and is it Kucherov that's up? Might be Palat. It doesn't matter, really. At least $5 million. Exactly, 100%. And they need that. And with Brian Boyle, with his $2 million, I believe.

Yes. So that's $7 million. And they were going to get that $2 million anyway, but still. Yeah. Now, let's go through some of the other trades here. Sorry, one more thing. Did you hear what Lou Lamorello said? I think someone asked about why didn't you maybe acquire an Andrew Ferentz?

because that was a rumor that the Leafs were going to try to get Andrew Ferencz's contract. Because the Oilers were trying to get that money off their books, right? Yeah, and it was interesting to hear him say this. He's like, well, you have to be fiscally responsible, which is not something you've heard with the Leafs. But it's true. Like, yeah, I think after a while you go, wait, wait. Like, if you're managing the Leafs books, you've got to be like, okay, sorry.

Let me make sure I have this straight. you paid two and a half million dollars for a fourth round pick yeah you know what i mean at some point you gotta go you know what this isn't this isn't like we got an empire to run we have a basketball team two hockey teams a soccer team a bunch of condos a bunch of restaurants like you can't be spending two and a half million dollars on a fourth round pick sir but is that two and a half million dollars money you'd spend anyways on just salad cup i don't know is that just room you have? That's a good question.

I don't know. That's a really good question. I don't know. I think Andrew Ferris... Can you look up Ferris' contract and see if the salary drops off? I don't think Shirelli... I can't imagine it does.

I don't think Shirelli would have given up anything higher than a fourth for that. And unfortunately, if you want to remove that money, you probably should. If that's what you want to do.

Just eat it. Just eat it. You're a young team. You're a young team. Eat it. You don't have to pay Connor McDavid until the end of next season.

Eat it. Yeah. I want to point out one trade that kind of went under the radar. All of them? But it includes some names that you might know. What are you looking at? Ooh, sorry.

I was looking at Ferris' salary. So his... Wait a second. Oh, this is Andrew Ferris. I'm sorry. He makes $3.25 million. So yeah, let's say the best they could have got out of that was a fourth. Yeah, no.

No, that's a lot of money to be paying for a fourth. All the money the Leafs have written off this year. Or a third, even. They've written off money this year. So you've got Horton, Robida, Like, Mahalik, Greening, Lupo. That's easily $20 million. You know, it's...

$20 million plus. When you look at it that way... Oh, yeah. It's a big amount of money. Yeah. Absolutely. It's a lot of money. When you look at it that way,

what a cartoony advantage the Leafs have over certain teams. I'm good with it. Oh, I'm good with it, too. Because that's a lot. Holy smokes. Yeah. We're making our equalization payments.

I'm okay with it. Wow. Wow. Yeah, that would have to be at least a second. And even then, you've got to go, again, if you're Mr. Budget Man, you go, now what is the likelihood? Mr. Budget Man! Now, can you promise me, Mr. Budget Man, that next time, that if you get this second round pick, you'll use it to draft Alex Dobrynkat

instead of Yegor Korshkov? Yes, yeah. Can you promise me that? Oh, you can't? I guess we can't. Right, exactly. I also think, you know, and anybody that is upset about the Leafs' advantage, I get it.

But like the New York Yankees, like the New York Knicks, Like any major team in a sport, like the Lakers, it's better for the sport when the Lakers are good. It's better for the sport when the Knicks are good. We just don't know what that looks like because it's been 80 years. Basically, since Patrick Ewing retired, we haven't seen a good Knicks team. Oh, I thought you were talking about the Leafs. Oh, the Leafs, too. Same thing.

I mean, like, I understand the frustration with that. But when the Rangers are good, when the Leafs are good, when the Bruins are good, when Los Angeles is good, when these major markets are good, it's good for the whole league. So if you're upset about the advantage, I get it. But also remember, long-term, you want the Leafs to be good for the health of the league. I keep dragging you back into the Leafs. You go ahead. Well, this particular trade made me laugh just because of its former Leafs.

So Chicago Blackhawks acquire Kenton Helgeson at a seventh-round pick in 2019 for Sam Carrick and Spencer Abbott to the Ducks. So a couple ex-Leafs there, just one man in there. Did the Blackhawks manage to get a pick out of that? I don't know. But they did. They sure did. Again, it's teams lining up.

The NHL is just, it's the Chicago Black, it's not a league. It's one team, the Chicago Blackhawks, and a 29-team lineup of teams willing to help them out. That's all it is. Chicago acts, the rest of the league reacts. A hundred percent. I don't get it. Flames acquire Curtis Lazar and Mike Koska Former Leaf

From the Senators For a 2017 second round pick And Yurki Yokipaka Seems like I mean, well, first off The Sens did give up Did they not give up a second to get Burrows? They did

So they got their second back Which is smart Yeah, sure But they also had to give up 22-year-old Curtis Lazar Was not having a good season Probably didn't agree with Coach Boucher No, it was a former second round pick to get Burroughs, I'm sorry Former second, oh, former second

Yeah, because Dolan, Dolan was the prospect Drafted either last year or the year before So they get a second round pick They get something back for that And they get Curtis Lazar out of town Because Curtis Lazar had a bad season And has had a couple bad seasons And doesn't agree with Guy Boucher

Or Guy Boucher doesn't agree with him, I'm not sure which it is Or just wasn't in the greatest mental space and plays for the younger team now. He on Sportsnet was kind of cryptic. I don't know. I don't think he was in the right mindset. He was talking about his teammates helping him out. He needed a change of scenery badly is what I got out of that conversation.

I don't know if he needed anything else, but hopefully he'll be happier in Calgary. I mean, I'm sure the Flames have a lot of incentive because that's a lot to give up for a guy who has as many goals as this room combined. In 33 games this year Man that's bad That is bad

And I remember Even when things Were going well The Hamburglar Throwing burgers Onto the ice Curtis Lazar Picks one up

Eats it He was having Trouble scoring points Then too But no one cared Because he was A little bit younger And the team was

Doing well And now they're Still doing well And he was a Can't miss guy Coming out of junior It sure seemed that way I mean

He was a captain Of the freaking World junior team To at least Well I mean And there have been Misses before Patrice Cormier

But But the idea that, like, you can be a bust and still have a couple goals. This guy's got no goals. Alexander Dagg scored goals. Yeah, you can score a couple goals. Nothing. So I'm thinking he goes to Calgary and maybe a bit of a more offensive-minded team. You know, you'll be playing against easy defense all the time

because everyone's concerned with Sean Monaghan and Johnny Gaudreau. Maybe it'll be a good place for him. And I think he's from out west, too. right? I don't know. He played on the Edmonton Oil Kings, so I don't know, maybe he's going back to his home province or Jesse's on the case and this is me stalling,

listing off things with that voice that you use when you're... Salmon Arm. BC. Oh, I believe... I almost worked in Salmon Arm back in the day. Really? One of my first gigs was almost in Salmon Arm, working for I think it was, what is it, it was called Son of Femme, I believe.

Also, I'm pretty sure Kyle Turris is from there. Yeah, Salmon Arm. Because it's a noteworthy name. Salmon Arm. Salmon Arm. There's a Moose Factory Ontario. No. Yes, there is. Calderas is from New Westminster. I thought he was from Salmon Arm. Not according to Wikipedia. Did he play for a team in Salmon Arm?

That doesn't matter. He didn't get traded. He didn't get traded and we're talking about trades. Almost worked there. Vernon, Penticton and, oh my God, what's the big city in there? Kelowna. Kelowna, Fornia. Oh my goodness, you could have seen WHL games with the Kelowna

Rockets. That's right. Luke Shen. Or some BCHL action with the Vernon Vipers? That's right. Or what was the other town that you mentioned? Penticton. Oh, the Penticton V's. How can you not see the Penticton V's? Ladies and gentlemen, you cover Junior

and Junior A for a little while. You start to retain useless information. Okay, so this is my favorite trade of all. It was the three-way trade between the Pens, the Flyers, and Tampa Bay. Yeah, confusing. So Flyers get Mark Strait.

Or straight, sorry. Nope, Penguins got him. Penguins got him, sorry. Penguins got him. But my favorite thing is, Flyers, I think, make out like bandits here, because they get Philpula, who I think they can use, a 2017 fourth, and a 2017 conditional seventh, which is pretty good. Tampa only gets a fourth round in 2018, but the salary breakdown is bananas, all right?

Okay. So, now, forgive me if I'm wrong here, but the article I read said the Flyers retained 4.7% of his salary. Oh, yeah! What was up with that? Tampa pays 50% and Pittsburgh pays the rest, the 40-something percent. I'm so glad you said 40-something. 40-something percent.

So I didn't have to be like, quick math. Isn't that nuts? I don't get it. That's so strange. If you can do it, good for you. Pittsburgh wins the three-way deal, and here's why. They're a cup contender who acquired an old guy. That's like acquiring a first-round, first-line center and throwing him in your lineup.

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Needs an old guy To win it for him Mark Stride is 39 And they could have used A little bit of help On defense too And he gives him that He does.

If the Flyers buy out the deal, they're only left with $1.6 million next year on the cap. Oh. That's not bad. Damn. Wait, on who? Stride or Philpula? Philpula.

And it's only next year? If they buy that out. That would be over two years, though, wouldn't it? I believe he's only signed through next season. Yeah, so. No, but sometimes. Oh, yeah. So, yeah.

But $1.6 million. Might be a risk worth taking. Might be. Okay, so we've got Lazar deal. P.A. Parenteau, who almost has 20 goals again this year, is only worth a sixth-round pick? This is the silliest thing. By the way, he goes from New Jersey to Nashville.

What are playoff rentals for? For... The playoffs. Playoffs. Yeah. Right? So, if you miss a few games leading up to the playoffs because you're injured, which P.A. Parenteau apparently is,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That third rounder That third and seventh or whatever That third and seventh because we're far too skittish To give you a second That you were going to get for Parenteau No no no no no Because he's going to miss like

As many as four regular season games That drastically drops the price To a sixth rounder I don't get it I wish the Leafs could have got that for him At the end of last season Parenteau needs to stop getting hurt At the end of the season

Exactly. Can you name the six teams that Parenteau has played with over the last four seasons? Ooh. Montreal. Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. Islanders, Colorado, Montreal, Toronto, Nashville. Islanders again, New Jersey.

See, do the Islanders count? Because I don't think he ever actually played a game. Oh, okay. New Jersey. The Islanders count. Yeah, so it depends on how far back you are. Okay, so it was Islanders. Oh, he's been in the Islanders twice.

Yeah. Islanders to Colorado to Montreal to Toronto to Islanders again, New Jersey, and now Nashville. So that's seven. Not Islanders again. But he did start the season with the Islanders. That was bonus marks he just threw in. That was very impressive. Adam, wow.

My goodness. Can you go pre-Islanders? Pre-Islanders? One team. Oh, jeez. Well, two teams. I don't know. Was it Colorado?

The Rangers. It was a Ranger? Damn. Before that, the Blackhawks. Okay, there, friggin' Mike Sillinger, P.A. Parenteau. Yeah, wow. Holy smokes. By the Ducks.

That's crazy. There you go. P.A. Santorelli, is what we like to call him. And guess what he gets to enjoy tonight? What's that? P.A. Parenteau's first game with the Predators, and he won't be playing. He gets to watch P.K. Subban's return to Montreal. Montreal, which we're getting to later in the show.

We're going to get to that. And he's reunited with a former teammate there, too. Kyle Quincy to the Columbus Blue Jackets. What was he worth? Dalton Prout. Oh, that's right. Remember when he was worth a first-round pick like five years ago? Kyle Quincy?

Mm-hmm. Wow, he was. I don't remember who gave it up. I want to say Detroit gave up a first-round pick for him. Wow. To Tampa, and if I read correctly, that was a 2012 first-rounder who turned into Andre Vasilevsky. Right. My favorite was the Oilers-Rangers trade.

Literally a couple of nothing names, but Justin Fontaine and Taylor Beck. Now, Taylor Beck is just interesting. cylinder. Yeah, but poor Taylor Beck was so jacked to be a Leaf at the beginning of last season, and they That is the driest thing. Yeah, he's got his pictures taken. He's having his picture taken in the Leafs

jersey talking about how excited he is to be here and they deal him and like Carter Verhage and three other people to be the Islanders for Grabner. Somewhere on a beta tape or a USB key somewhere, there is an interview of Taylor Beck going, you know, it's just been a lifelong dream to be a Toronto Maple Leaf

and this poor guy has traded again. Oh, that sucks. So, we'll pull it back. Aginla, still worth a fourth round pick, conditional fourth round pick. Which I think

likely turns into nothing. It says there's a playoff based condition. Is that if they make it? Is that if they win one round? I don't know. And it's if he resigns. I'm thinking this is likely

his last season. Right. Before we get a break here And then we'll come back With some more trades Reunited with Daryl Sutter Though that's cool Dwight King

Fourth round pick Conditional to the Kings Montreal To Montreal Who acquired Nine fourth liners Which we need to talk about So when we come back

On Sportsnet 590 The Fan We are going to discuss Montreal's deadline moves Because they were Weird They were weird They were Montreal They were very Montreal

Very Montreal We'll get back to that On Sportsnet 590 The Fan So here's Here's what Montreal's Trade deadline looks like and we need to talk about this because it's weird. Andreas Martinsson for, doesn't matter,

Dwight King, Steve Ott, and Brandon Davison. Andreas Martinsson for Sven Andrighetto. Oh, right. Now, Sven Andrighetto is a player that Montreal Canadiens fans on Twitter led me to believe was actually decent. Never really made the lineup as a regular. His NHL potential is kind of questionable. Andreas Martinsson is arguably the worst player on arguably the worst team of the last 10 years.

So I'm not sure what he contributes to Montreal, really. How does he even make the lineup? What about Dwight King and Steve Ott? Dwight King is an okay depth player. That's fine. I have no problem with that. Steve Ott I don't get. I mean, I guess you're spending a sixth round pick.

There's no real risk there. other than him taking a penalty at a key moment during a playoff game, I guess. That's a risk, I would say. That's a risk. And that's a very probable Steve Ott risk. And who else? Brandon Davidson for David DeArne. Oilers.

That's an all right deal, I suppose. Because, I mean, you weren't really keen on using David DeArne and you got someone who can be a little extra defensive depth. That's okay. That wasn't a bad deal. I think the saddest part about all this is that the Kings no longer have someone named King playing for them. It's a bummer. Isn't it?

I need... That should be a rule. They have to have someone with the last name King playing. Now Adam has to get signed by Minnesota. Otherwise, this doesn't work. Right? Right? I made you all say it in your head instead.

I get it. I made you all say it there. So we'll just keep moving it back. Montreal made very weird, weird moves. What was interesting, and Detroit fans lost their minds with this, was Thomas Vanik to Panthers for a third round pick in 2017 and Dylan McElrath who's I guess

a former first round pick who's sort of a bust and they think he's done. Well, he's not a bust as much as he should have never gone that high. I remember that was a weird pick at the time. He was like a middle of the second round guy and then where was McElrath pick? Like 10th? Yeah, it was pretty

high. Crazy off the board pick. He's big and strong and everything but I don't know. Like that's almost That's almost just a roster spot At this point He If I'm not mistaken That crazy giveaway goal

The Panthers had Where JVR beat Reimer Five hole In that one game Where the Leafs Mangled the Panthers I think that was McElrath If I remember correctly

I just remember Being a big buddy Right there But hey They get something for Vanek And he might just come back In the summer So who cares

There you go Well Detroit fans were just mad Because they didn't get more Well See Okay That was actually a very interesting deal

I thought, because Right, the Panthers got Vanek The thought was, and I heard this earlier In Sportsnet's coverage Um Vanek won't go Until Verbata is moved

Verbata's what's holding the market up Is what I heard And then Vanek goes first And you go, oh that's strange And you certainly are not getting less For Verbata So the Panthers make a move early

And it Increases the price for Verbata Who Was the team, the number one team Rumored to be in on Verbata Montreal So I thought it was an interesting market move The Panthers get

Someone who can help them They get Thomas Vanek And while they acquire a player That can help them They sort of Price Montreal out of the market A little bit They make it difficult

Because Vrbata didn't move Didn't move Didn't end up going to Montreal They could have really used him I was listening to Hockey Central on the way in And they were talking about Supposedly Vrbata has some kind of crazy bonus Where he gets like a quarter of a million dollars

For every round his team wins in the playoffs Which You know what ooh But Montreal Like let's say you go to the cup final with Radom Verbatta. What does four rounds of playoff revenue look like in Montreal?

But that's also cap space. No, it's not. It's paid after, isn't it? I'm not certain. It could contribute to overage, potentially, which I guess... I think Arizona could have agreed to pay it. Maybe. That's possible.

Or maybe... I don't know if you could do this. Can Montreal Or can Arizona keep it on their books But Montreal pays them Because I'm sure money's not the object there No, I think that's a little too shady That's even beyond leaf shady

I'm just trying to think like Lewin here We'll send you some cash So I thought it was a little move The Vanek deal Did make the Verbatim deal a little more difficult Unless I'm reading the market completely wrong Because it just made it more expensive And the main team in on it

And the main team that could use him Was a divisional rival I thought that was a little interesting It's a lot interesting when you put it that way Not that Montreal is the team They need to catch at the moment San Jose got Yannick Hansen As well yesterday

Oh! Holy smokes can we talk about how the Arguable winner Of the trade deadline Was Jim Benning What a surprise, eh? What a bandit What a bandit

This guy So He got He got Dolan For Burrows Bandit Heist Great deal

Um You know You're getting rid of a player Who you do not need In exchange for A second who could Really be something Like he's a known commodity

This isn't a bag of magic beans here This is a guy with a name This isn't a pick It's a guy That's great Who might be a year or less from coming over. Who knows? And then you trade Yannick Hansen, another, there you go, guy you do not need.

If you're going the whole rebuild thing, which, I mean, geez, it's not like they sold the farm. This could be like a retooling sort of thing for the Canucks. They trade Hansen to the Sharks for Goldobin, who was a first-rounder in 2013. So there's another guy with a name, could still be decent. I think he has decent AHL numbers, and a fourth-round pick that is conditional. Do you know the condition? I don't know the condition.

Oh, it's a good one. If the Sharks win the Cup, bang, first. Whoa. Can you imagine? First of all, who is a Canucks fan that's not cheering for the Sharks right now? Oh, my God, yeah, absolutely. You are cheering for the Sharks in the same way that Flames fans were cheering for the Stars last year Because the pick

The Flames got for Russell Would have been a first If they made it past The second round Or something like that Can we How You were cheering

For the Canucks So the Canucks Deadline Poll Was Dolan, Goldobin And a fourth Potentially

Dolan, Goldobin And a first The 30th overall pick Technically You're guaranteeing It's no higher than that But Yeah

I'll take that For Burrows and Hanson who taught Jim Benning how to GM well who told him

holy smokes someone got in his ear real quick well I just love comparing this to 10 months ago isn't it great when you set your mind

to a direction yeah I'm no longer questioning where the Canucks are heading and all of a sudden they're making smart moves they still have questions

on the roster though totally like what do you do with the last 4 years of Louie Erickson's contract you know what might have been interesting is seeing if you can

get something for Oh my goodness, I forget his name even Jake Furtanen I don't know Boy, his AHL numbers are Bad The last trade that the Vancouver Canucks made was in May of last year So it was about 10 months ago

Holy smokes, really? And it was Budskin Oh, when they got Eric at Budskin? Here's a trade that I think you'll find interesting Going way back to when, arguably I think the Canucks really should have considered Starting to rebuild, which was the summer of 2015 On July 28th, 2015, the Vancouver Canucks acquired Brandon Sutter and a third-round pick

from the Pittsburgh Penguins for who? Bonino, Bonino, Bonino, Bonino. Adam Clendenning as well, and a second-round pick. No. Right? Yeah. That's when the rebuild should have started. But, but, that's in the past.

It was a bad move. In the past. It's in the past. It looks like they're starting to see the error of their ways. The Canucks fans should be thrilled Hockey fans should be thrilled You know how exciting the Pacific Division is going to be to watch For the next few years

If the Canucks figure it out All of a sudden you get a competitive Canucks team Competitive Flames, competitive Oilers Kings are falling off But they're still competitive The Ducks I mean, jeez, you could hammer them with a few bad moves And they'd still be okay

The Sharks Aging, but still extremely competitive Mm-hmm. Surprisingly so. And the Coyotes, who are an up-and-coming team making smart moves and very young. Hey, that's a great little division. It sure is. It sure is. Now, tonight, we've got a couple things going on. Obviously, PK makes his return to Montreal.

That is a big deal. It is, and it's been overshadowed by the trade deadline. Yeah. Now, does he get an ovation, or does he get a boo? 100% gets an ovation. A few people might boo him They will be drowned out You won't hear them You won't hear them

You know what it might be The first time he touches the puck You might hear like Boo, boo, boo And that will be immediately overshadowed by Yeah! I think he's extremely popular And they are doing a pregame ceremony

With a video montage To him? Yeah Oh, that's nice So he'll get his chance You know I've kind of I don't know

I've soured on those things. PK deserves one. 100%. 100%. And it would look petty if they didn't, frankly. No, that's good. That's good. I'm sure.

Oh, man, how bad does he want to win? And how about this? So you got PK returning to Montreal for the first time. And then you got all these fourth liners, all these rugged fourth liners coming into the Habs lineup for the first time. I know who they're targeting. I have an idea. of who they're going to zone in on, I think.

You want to make an impression? That's who you go after. First game. You think Steve Ott is just going to be, if he can catch him. He is to catch him first. Yeah, exactly, which is pretty hard to do. I'm looking at the Eastern Conference right now.

Now, the Leafs, because of their poor play, have let that five-game thing that they had on Boston evaporate. I know. Well, and you know what? That's fair to say, but Boston went on a run, too. Sure What did they win Four or five straight games

Yes they've won Four of their last five Like one of their Best stretches If not the best stretch Of the season And they acquired Drew Stafford actually

From the From the Jets That's right And there's another move Where if you don't Make the playoffs What was the cost The sixth

Yeah That's okay That's okay You do that Toronto Is in the last Wild card spot They have 69 points

The Rangers Nice Rangers who are In the second last spot Have 82 What a stupid division It's dumb What a stupid

Stupid division Like literally You know Remember you were telling me About the The KHL And there's the Promotion

In-game promotion One of the KHL teams Where they clear out a section The fans kind of Split down the middle And then they just Run at each other Yeah they mosh pit

They mosh pit They mosh pit So everyone from like Let's say section 113 Or half of the people From section 113 go over to 114. Half of the people

from 113 go over to 112, and then they go, and they just smash together right in the middle. Is that not Washington, Columbus, Pittsburgh, and the New York Rangers? Oh my god. The playoffs are gonna be so much fun. I'm so excited! Can the Atlantic Division just be like, you know what, nah. Like, we're good. We'll get

the rest. We'll hit the gym. No, I'm happy with that. We'll come back better for next year. No, let them beat each other up. It's great. Oh, totally. Let them do it. I mean, what a year for an Atlantic Division to potentially just sneakily slide past a tired and busted up team. Because that's what's going to happen. These are going to be

tough, tough matchups. Who wants to win the Atlantic division this year? Oh, I got to play Columbus or New York? Can't wait. Screw that, dude. Screw that. Yeah. Oh, is Montreal going to right the ship? Go ahead. Go right ahead.

So Toronto is still in it, and obviously the Islanders and Florida are just a point behind. Tampa Bay, which is already sold, is only three points behind. They sold, but they're getting Stamkos back. Yeah. That's not the worst thing.

Flyers are four points behind. And they actually have a pretty good minor league system too, Tampa. Of course they do. Of course, because Steve Eisenman is just a freaking wizard. It should be very, very interesting to see how this all shakes out. Can I throw something out there? Sure. After, after, after.

Well, no, what I was going to say is, after last game, which was just awful. The last minute and a half. Jake, Jake, how many times have we seen that this year, though? And that was the best part about Lou Amorello, I think, talking in the trade deadline coverage yesterday. He had his press conference, and then he talked directly to Sportsnet. When he was talking directly to Sportsnet, I thought Darren Millard asked him a good question about the young players

and about where the team is headed and not giving up too much at the deadline. And what Lou Amorello said, and I think Babcock has also said this, too, is they are intentionally putting these players in positions that they're uncomfortable with because they know one day... One-on-threes? Well, not that. And Jake Gardner aside,

they are putting young players in positions that you wouldn't traditionally put young players in because they know... Yeah, the final minute of the Centennial Classic. Those are the players that are going to have to handle it one day. Might as well start teaching them now. Which is why, I don't know...

I would imagine... Wouldn't have minded seeing them get something for Roman Polak, but... Part of the reason why I think it's interesting that they're doing this is because they are throwing these players to the wolves because they've got to learn. But I think that's part of the reason why we've seen so many third-period collapses this year.

They're starting to really throw Morgan Riley in there too, right? He needs to. Yeah, they're giving him a lot of Matt Hunwick's PK minutes. They need to. He needs to be able to do everything. Here's the disheartening part about San Jose, though. That was Mitch Marner on Patrick Marleau And he was sort of on the verge of losing him

That's okay, Matt Hunwick is right there But no, Jake Gardner Friggin' da-da-da-da puts his cape on And he'll be the one who saves the day Oh, who's got Thomas Hurdle? Who's got him? No one? Like, Jake I'm trying to think of a player

Since I started making LFR videos Who drives me more nuts Than Jake Gardner And here's why Okay So Bozak drove me nuts For a long time Because they always

Called him Like a defensive center A number one center Which is a fabrication You know what Number one center There was a time Where you could argue

He was the best center The Leafs had Oh The idea he was A defensive center Was a fabrication Fabrication Lie

Based on what Because he's not Whenever they called him A defensive center It was just a slight on Phil Kessel. That's all it was. It was just their way of saying

Phil Kessel is so bad defensively that Bozak has to play defensively. I also think they called him a defensive center because they looked at his point totals and said, well, that's not number one center points. So he must be defensive.

Dirty lie. Dirty lie that Leafs Nation was fed for like half a decade. Lie. Outright lie. And now we see what he is and he's in a bit more of a reserved role

and he gets to be the team dad. He's nice. I like him in this role, that's fine Great, nothing against Tyler Bozak Grabowski Sometimes make bonehead plays And you were trying to cheer for him to be great Kadri is a guy you stick up for a lot

And does a lot of boneheaded things But he does so many good things Gardner's advanced stats Gardner's possession So many numbers Around Jake Gardner Are not just good, they're immaculate They're so, so good

everything in the numbers say this guy is such a good player and I believe it I believe it I think if Jay Gardner was traded away from the Leafs it would hurt them I do if he gets hurt they're in big trouble but this this freaking guy every game every single game there's at least one or two plays where he not only makes the wrong play. It'd be one thing if he made the wrong play. I'd be okay with the wrong play. He shuts his brain off. Shuts it off.

Jake, what are you doing? Yeah. And then the other 98% of the game, you see this guy, he's running the team. He's literally running the team from the back end. Without Jake Gardner, the Leafs are absolutely lost. And then he loses himself.

One or two plays a game. He's throwing the puck in front of the net blind He's not taking guys He's got this weird Lackadaisical stride sometimes And yet he's one of the best skaters on the team He is a mystery this guy And he's got one of the biggest helmets on the team

So you know it's not for lack of brain I don't get it That's coming from me by the way I feel like this year And it's been more recent His lapses have been far more recent I don't think we saw these lapses At the beginning of the season

I feel like with him, A, he's probably, when he plays too much, he gets a little bit wonky, like Funuf did. I also think, too, Jake is doing that far less this year versus before. I don't know. Maybe it's because the Leafs are more competitive this year and they're in closer games, and I care about them more. I hope you're right. I hope you're right.

I think he has matured, and I think the parts of his game that were good are now much better. Yeah, yeah, 100%. But it's Brian McCabe syndrome. That is it. 99% of the game is great. And then he scores on his own net in overtime. Yeah, exactly. But like two games ago, he had the best overtime goal we've seen this year.

You know who had that bad? Beauchemin. Really? Beauchemin was Brian McCabe syndrome through and through. So we've got to wrap for now. Now, I guess because they're having issues over at CHFI, so they need to use our studio. Oh, you didn't mention for how long, did you? Oh, I don't know.

We will have an off-air segment. I just don't know how long it will be. We might have to jump right to the press conference. Just one of those days. Okay. So, yeah, super. Are we wrapping the radio? Yeah, we're wrapping the radio now.

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