The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - May 19, 2016 - The Penner Effect

Episode Date: May 20, 2016

On this episode, the guys talk Kessel, playoffs, the Dustin Penner butterfly effect of offer sheets, and 90's cartoons. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.C.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Pity pick, pity pick, pity pick. No, they won! I know, I know. They won! They won! You're right, you're right.

How dare you? Congratulations to the one and only, future Leaf, Austin Matthews, on a beautiful two-goal game against the Czechs, and a nice shootout goal, too. He had nothing to shoot at! He had absolutely nothing to shoot at, and he snuck it through the tiniest little crevice. It's cool,

because I didn't know this. Added bonus, Austin Matthews comes in with shootout potential. If they ever go back to shooting out things, you know, I mean... There you go. We can lay our rest of our heads easy. He can be our... I'm trying to think of a shootout specialist. UC Okanen.

yes that's all we use it for though oh yeah no I mean we don't really need it for the rest of the stuff play them two minutes a game and only use them in the shootout remember when people thought

that was going to be a thing like the way the way there are goons who just play like less than five minutes a game to fight yeah

people there was a section of the hockey population that thought oh teams are just gonna have a highly skilled player and bench them

no like a shootout specialist because that makes lots of sense well no What would have made sense is if, like Yussi Yokunen, you can do other things, and then whenever there's a shootout, we put you out first. No. Because I said it's an added bonus at the time.

I said it was an added bonus to have a player who can do that. That's got to up their value. You've got to save the shootout specialist because he really gives his team a rise. His team feels safer when he's on the bench resting up for the shootout. Right. You're right. You're absolutely right. His team feels safer.

Who knew? Who knew that it would take Pierre Maguire to get Phil Kessel to smile at something? Who knew? You know what? Who knew that Pierre would be the guy? As his number one critic, that was a fun little moment. It was. It was.

And I'm going to play it for you. Oh, boy. How's your breath? It's not good, eh? No, I meant in terms of conditioning. Oh. Yeah, it's fine. I mean.

phil kessel is such a bashful little child and i love him i love him he's adorable and i miss him yeah but what could have been man that could happy phil kessel could have been in toronto i'll tell you what could have been in pittsburgh we are two wins away two pittsburgh penguins wins away from the ppp sausage party right and i i saw that the pension plan puppets uh were to retweeting Steve PPP. Who? Is that a new site? It must be. I think that they got the idea from you. Is that like theleafsnation.com

but not as cool? Yeah. Probably. I think that's what it is. Oh, okay. So they're not down with the Pittsburgh podcast party? The Pittsburgh podcast sausage party? Well, I mean, it's not that they're not down. It's just that they may

find the name objectionable given that they share it. I don't understand. Okay. Well, I actually got a couple people messaging me. Apparently, there is, and I wrote this down, but my notes have somehow deleted. I'm missing a few things that I was going to bring up. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Okay, so Leah Blasco, and I believe she's from Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, she used to work for the Wheeling Nailers. Okay, there you go. ECHL team.

So she tweeted me. She's like, Adam, there's actually a hot dog place called Franktuary that serves hot dogs outside the console energy center after every home playoff game. Okay, but where's the Panago? Well, that's a good question. I don't know. Well, if we're going to have a hot dog party, unless we're going to have a hot dog pizza. I mean, we'd have to bring the pizzas down. I think Panago would be okay with us eating for that.

If you wrap a hot dog in a slice of pizza, is it a burrito? And is a burrito a sandwich? I don't care. That sounds amazing. I would eat that. By the way. I would so eat that. You know what we never brought up?

And yeah, I'm sorry. We'll get back to Phil Kessel. During Pave the Way, that road hockey game we played raising money for women's hockey, Natalie Spooner runs up to me and, well, the whole show and the whole time she's just going, is a hot dog a sandwich? Is ketchup jam? Is soup cereal? Is cereal soup?

Does she listen? She, no, you know what it was? I got to interview her earlier in the season and I just blew her mind with that stuff. No, even before that. Oh. Oh, me and Spoon Dog? You and the Spoon Dog go way back?

Me and the Spoons? Man, I know Spoons. Spoons and I go back. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, but if this happens and it was, I got the river wrong that we would have

the hot dog party on during the Stanley Cup Finals. It would be on the Allegheny River. Oh. There's the Allegheny, Monongahela, and the Ohio. Like, how could you write that easy thing off? Well, a couple people from Pittsburgh reached out and they're like, listen, we're not going to give you a hard time because you can pronounce Monongahela and nobody can, but it's actually the Allegheny.

And I should have known that because my mom went to North Allegheny High. That wasn't quite as vicious as all the feedback I got from small Ontario towns talking about they could host an OHL team. I had one version. What about Newmarket? Someone was like I was like The Newmarket McDavid's

The Newmarket I saw a Milton I was like You're just Mississauga Calm down Oh And Mississauga Is just Toronto

It's getting to the point now Where Hamilton and Toronto There is no end No And then like Because Burlington's in the middle If you look at a map There's literally not

The city doesn't end Like usually when you go When you go to a place Like you go to Calgary You get outside of Calgary There's no more city You get outside of Toronto There's other cities

It's just cities Yeah so Toronto just kind of Goes on and on New York goes on and on The whole kind of East coast You know of the states

Kind of goes on and on And on Calgary We were there It's a pretty big city We drove I swear to god We weren't 20 minutes

Outside of the city We almost hit a caribou I swear I'm not making that up It was on the road Chilling Like what are you doing here I believe it

I believe it This isn't Calgary Are you lost And pulled out it's phone Gave me directions Well if you ever want to know How big Canada or North America is

Go west If you're an easterner like we are Go to the center Of North America And just go to North Dakota Go to Montana And you will understand space Take your dog off it's leash

And just watch it run away for three or four days Yeah it's literally like that Idaho's like that It's just space There's mountains but then there's space and there's nothing Is Wisconsin like that? I would assume so I don't know I've never been to a Packers game.

I don't know. Because maybe when it freezes over, that's where Kessel learned how to skate the way he skates. Could be. I would think so because it's pretty cold there. You brought it back in. You brought us back. Sidney Crosby curve shot that.

It was a pretty dominant Pittsburgh game, right? I mean, that was the Pittsburgh Penguins that we know. And although Tampa Bay scored a goal towards the end, I believe in the third period to make it 4-2, the 4-2 score to me doesn't really say much, right? Like, it was really a 4-1 game. Well, there was some pushback. I mean, Tyler Johnson scoring right after Phil Kessel got his second point of the game.

His first goal of the game. He's dominant, man. I knew he'd be good. I was very confident he would be a good playoff player. He's always good in the playoffs. If you told me he would lead the Penguins in scoring, I wouldn't have believed you. They're too good. They're too deep.

what blows me away and this I just thought about this because people were like can't stop talking about the Haglund-Kessel-Benino line HBK if

if if you at the beginning if I at the beginning of the season said no it's not going to work with Crosby it's not going to work

with Malgan it's going to be Haglund and Benino would you have been like you're effing crazy I would have been laughing hysterically because what

what I was joking about when Phil Kessel got traded to the Penguins is, LOL, imagine if he gets traded there and doesn't even play with Malkin or Crosby. And here we are, he's having tremendous success, never plays with them. Except, I think, on the power play, I'm not sure.

Well, which makes sense. But that's... I don't... I'm sure Penguins fans will message us. I think he's on the second PP unit. So he's... Well, when you have Malkin and Crosby on your first, it doesn't matter that you're on the second. And you got LeTang, so there's your right-handed forward.

Even if you have a huge ego, you can't take that personally. I'm on the second power play because the best player in the world and probably one of the, I would say maybe second best, third best people at Evgeny Malkin.

I don't know where he stands now. Top five. Top five. Right now, would anybody want to be playing with Malkin? Because he has one point since he came back from injury. Ooh.

Well. Seven games, I think. Maybe. He's just a defensive stalwart back there. Can you imagine if he... I know, I sure wouldn't want to play with him. I bet he should look at Jonathan Drouin for tips on how to work hard in the playoffs.

That's what I would say. It's funny how narrative goes. Like, this morning we're talking about Kessel. And Toronto's finding a way to sneak its way into that series. And, oh, the way the Toronto media treated it. Because, guys, it's about us. It's always about us. Oh, 100%.

You are always second. Yes. Congrats. Silver's not bad. You know, American fans should be used to this. And, you know, Toronto is just kind of number one. Always. But, imagine now, Malkin has one point since returning from injury, and they're down 2-1

in the series. Storyline. Storyline. I'm just saying, Kessel's safe. Kessel's safe, because, I mean, it's hard to criticize the leading scorer. Crosby's safe. We did it for several years, but Crosby's probably safe. He had a good game, too.

He had a good game, too. I think the attention turns to Malkin. Well, or Matt Murray. You POS? Hey! Hey! They don't say that. The attention was turning to Matt Murray for a while.

But they're up 2-1. There's no problem. There's no problem. They're up 2-1. They're probably going to just win in five and sweep the final. That's how moods go, right? That's how moods go. Remember my silly mood when I was like,

the Sharks are just going to fiddle-dee-dee their way to a Stanley Cup final berth? No, not against St. Louis. Reverse jinx that? and it worked out I think Jinxes are false and fairy tales Religion of the Ignorant I believe

heavens what a great album title thank you if Flurry is good to go do you switch him? no Murray? yeah no

I think you go with Murray until you can't rely on Murray you know why the thing about it and no offense to Marc-Andre Flurry because he deserves

all the accolades and you know won a Stanley Cup and a gold medal and all those things. But what message does it send if you're a head coach if you got a goalie who's doing perfectly fine and you take him out for no reason?

And the first example in sports I ever saw of this was the Rob Johnson-Doug Flutie fiasco in Buffalo. And of course it happened in Buffalo because the Bills are or were the worst for many, many seasons. Now they're like middle of the pack. Yeah, now they're up to mediocre level. The Bills are like the least of the NFL, except the Bills actually made the Super Bowl four times, I think, in a row.

There were four consecutive times? Yeah, didn't win. Good old Jim Kelly. Hey, hey, hey. Boy, I like losing Super Bowls. Bills. You ever heard that one? No.

Okay, wow. I just taught you something new that you probably maybe, wow, I think you're the only person who's not heard that one. I don't know about that. I don't know about Miracle on Ice. There were some salty tweets about you not seeing Miracle on Ice You don't care about America You know what's great about this podcast Is if I never tweeted anything

My mentions would still be full Oh yeah I wake up the next morning And I'm about to get in the shower And I sit on the toilet and go through the mentions And go yep gonna avoid that one Yep gonna favorite that one My friend is Polish and his cousin is named Jersey

And how dare you make fun of that name Can someone do a clip art version of Adam sitting on the toilet reading Twitter? It's like a crudely drawn picture. You should be able to Google that and it already exists. What was that? I had something to say there. Oh, losing your job to injury. Yes.

Okay. So, okay. Doug Flutie. So, Rob Johnson was a high draft pick quarterback. He was supposed to be the future of the Bills. And then they signed this guy out of the CFL named Doug Flutie. Whatever, right? So, they go to camp and Doug Flutie's the better quarterback.

And Rob Johnson kind of sucks Because sometimes college quarterbacks Strangely, Tim Tebow, don't translate You could win a Heisman Trophy And you still suck in the NFL And there's many reasons for that Now the coach at the time They're going into the playoffs

And they're in their wild card game And the coach at the time goes Well, Doug Flutie got us here But Rob Johnson, who has not played in six weeks Is now healthy So we're going with Rob Johnson Yeah, and they got their Their platoots handed to them

We've been friends for far too long Their patutes handed to them And it sent a message I fell for Doug Flutie Who then went on to play pretty well For the San Diego Chargers Until Drew Brees showed up It was

It just sucks that A player that has got you there Would have the job taken away Just because there's another guy who makes more money And Rob Johnson, make no mistake Made way more money, he was a high draft pick And I think with a guy like Matt Murray, you want to encourage him. Marc-Andre Fleury's been here before.

He's done this before. He's mentally tougher. Imagine the shock to the system. Mentally more experienced, for sure. Mentally more experienced. Yeah, I can't say tougher. You're right. But he'd be able to handle that situation, and you can rationalize that in your head.

If you're Marc-Andre Fleury, you go, well, he's been playing really well. Why would we take him out? The goal is to win a Stanley Cup. But if you're Matt Murray and you're taken out I don't think as a player There's a rational explanation for that That would work in your head Where you could be okay with that

Unless you were underperforming The argument is that it was never his job And when Marc-Andre Fleur got injured And Matt Murray went in, it's still not his job It's still Marc-Andre Fleur's our number one goalie I'm not saying that's the right thing to do But that's the argument the coach has made And that's totally fair

The NHL is a little different obviously But we talked about this earlier this year With call-ups and things of that nature, you know, it's sometimes it's almost a curse. Like, okay, I always bring it back to the Marlies at this time of year, but whatever. Bebo was the number three to start the season. Someone got injured.

I think it was Bernier. It might have been Reimer. I don't remember. Bebo gets called up. While he's up and while he clearly has the Marlies number one job, Sparks plays out of his brain. Bebo goes back down, doesn't give the Marlies a reason to give him back the starting job,

and it sparks us. It sparks us until he's basically called up. Should Matt Murray be penalized for playing excellently while Fleury's been out? I don't think so. No. And it's funny that typical Toronto bringing it back in. Penguins are up 2-1,

and we're making this into a thing. Yeah, we're really good at making things into things. We are really good at making things into things. That are not things, really. I mean... We should open a flea market stall. We should Things into things

We make things into things That aren't really things But for some reason You want them anyway That's the thing You go to the flea market And You're right

You don't want You don't need Any of the stuff that's there You don't need anything Except for the video game stand Okay Cause that is The one key of flea markets

The old used video game stand Jesse Nailed it on the head You're absolutely right You know what I walked in here I didn't realize I needed a Sega Genesis

With Sonic But It works And I'm taking it It works Yep It's a Sega Genesis That works

And they'll make you think That that's somehow rare When there's a ton Of Sega Genesis out there And by the way Millions How dare you How dare you

That's not true You go on eBay Sega Genesis is like Five thousand dollars F U K K

Get out of here Get out of here Yes I do need a Second copy of Blades of Steel What if the first copy Goes kaput Yeah what if it's

You know you try You blow into it and it doesn't work anymore. Yeah, true. I need that theme song. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. I think, too, with Sega Genesis, I don't think they've done this with NES or Super NES,

but with Sega Genesis, I think they actually remade the console and some of the games, so you could actually, almost like repressed records, you could go and buy something. You could go buy it new. I thought they did that for a couple years.

Okay, they're repressed records, Grandpa. What? I used to buy, I would rather buy a new record. What else did you used to buy? From the flea market. in the corner store you be quiet

I walked into Nelson's record store and I and I would get three records for a hay pan many hours in Salvation Army

and Goodwill going through old record collections okay now you're Macklemore now you're just Macklemore I never walked out

with a fur jacket though I can't say the lyrics thank you alright thank you um and then so we have that

for Tampa's perspective um Um, Vasilevsky looked a little mad, especially on that fourth goal. People were like, he threw it, threw his stick at the bench. No, I think he just kind of maybe was like, all right, I'm going to switch my stick. He didn't throw it at his team, but people were like, he threw it at his team. I mean, that was a bad giveaway. It was a really bad.

There's no way the Penguins should have ever had the puck for that fourth goal ever after the first shot, after he made that save. They threw it like Tampa literally threw it right back on their stick. it's funny i was just thinking to myself i hate a goalie that shows their emotions like that you know if there's one guy because i'm always sticking up for people you know okay let them be mad or whatever i get annoyed when when goalies have bad body language because they're out there all the time and the camera is almost always on them and i was trying to name all the hot-headed goalies i know uh most of them are pretty good okay so we got robin leonard he's kind of middle

um but then henrik lungfist is a pretty hot-headed guy patrick waugh was an extremely top uh hot hot to caress throwing milk crates when he was in the minors uh ed belfor back in the day i mean they're competitors man they are competitors and i saw someone once say it was more of a european thing that goalies will just straight up call out their teammates on the ice i think there might be something to that uh but vasilevsky like we said with matt murray it is a bit of a tryout you know it's a it's all if it's a tryout it's a job interview you always want to be extra nice during the job interview phase know what i mean i think vasilevsky will be fine no matter what i know i mean if i'm because here's the thing he's he's set he's set to be the starter there

After next season, they don't have another goaltender. I don't know if that's true. And some other team will take a chance on him if not. Yeah, it would probably make sense to trade Bishop. Get what you can for him, and then you can have a much cheaper Andre Vasilevsky. I don't know if that's the way they go. If he's going to be yelling at his defenseman, I don't know if that's the way it's going to go. Wow.

And you know what If I'm whatever Tampa defenseman It was that He got to Kurt With I'll take crap I'll take crap

From Ben Bishop I don't know if I'm not interested In what this kid Has to say No So what He's in his early 20s

And he's the backup He's 21 I'm in my late 20s Early 30s Something like that I'm not taking crap From this kid You know what I mean

I don't know I'm just saying I'm just trying to trying to psychoanalyze, get in their heads. What do they need to do to get back in the series? I mean, they're not that far out of it, but, I mean, you know what? I almost hate it when people say, it's 2-1, they're out of the series. If you're down by one game, you're in the series, okay?

So I'm going to take that back. They are in the series. What do they need to do to tie up the series? Raptors are down by one game. That's right. They're in the series. They're out of it. They might be trying to punch.

They might be Conor McGregor trying to punch above their weight class a little. You think? I'm just looking at Holy Submokes. They got to tighten up. So I knew the shots were bad. I didn't know it was this bad. Matt Murray made 28 saves. Oh, that's pretty good.

That's a respectable game. Andre Vasilevsky made 48. Wow. And four of those went in. So there's 52. No, no, no. Sorry. it was 48 shots

against 44 saves so he still made 44 saves yeah yeah he had a 917 save percentage in a game where he allowed four calls a 917 save percentage

should win you a game uh well it should at least keep you in it more than they were come on oh my goodness oh my god

yeah they gotta tighten up so like I mean it it doesn't come down to goaltending it comes down to Pittsburgh wallop them

and by the way so we brought up how important home ice was or how important it could be tampa had the chance they were so close to going into their own building up to nothing now they were in their own building and they got killed

it's not looking good it's not not looking good worst case scenario or sorry best case scenario you tie the series up and pittsburgh has home ice again right but i gotta tighten up they gotta tighten up it's not the goalie it's not vast it doesn't it doesn't seem like now that's why i thought because because knowing that knowing how poor Tampa was defensively last night if I'm playing poorly and my goalie's giving me the giving me the go around give me making me you know calling me out for it I'm cool with that because if we're not playing well we're not playing well I like I can only imagine what John Cooper said oh because John Cooper he's a fan of defense well you know what he's a fan of Adam what's that Phil Kessel is he actually after the

game he said phil castle does not get the respect he deserves they put some respect on his name they put some respect the k in respect is for castle they put some respect on his name wow wow so when we come back we need to talk about uh a couple things that came up in elliot friedman's 30 thoughts including a connection with the leafs and panthers because of course the leafs are involved i love learning about 30 thoughts from you guys well it's amazing and the thing is it's It's just a treasure trove of information every single time it comes out. Storylines that you haven't even thought about, Elliot Friedman has already explained them,

so they don't even become storylines because he's already got it. And by the way, 30 thoughts, bit of a misnomer. More like 45. 90 thoughts. So we'll talk about that and, of course, the NHL and NHLPA releasing its summer calendar guidelines to teams and agents when you can talk to players, when you can sign players, all that fun stuff.

So you'll get an idea. You can mark it down in your calendar when teams and free agents can start talking. A hint, it is not July 1st. It is before that. Remember, they changed that rule. Make sure under two, you got Jim.Benning in there at vankinux.com. Just make sure he's in there. Yeah, if you're a Canucks fan, you might want to send that to him.

We will be right back on Sportsnet 590, The Fan. Podcast is brought to you by Panago Pizza. It's what's on the inside that counts. It really is. It is. It is. We just informed Jesse that Bartolo Colon has been leading a double life. And it's funny.

After someone does something good, it's so like life for something horrendous to come out about them. So he hits the home run last week and all of a sudden his other family is like, hey, child support. Do you think he was bummed when he hit that home run? Like, ah, I'm about to be out a lot of money. He was already a famous MLB pitcher. Yeah, and he's been a pitcher for like 80 years. Literally. A long time.

80. Him and Vin Scully started together. There's a picture of him and Ty Cobb shaking hands in center field. He struck out Babe Ruth. It's weird. No, but the best was the headline on the New York Daily News, which was, swinging a mistress. Oh!

I should have made you guys guess at that one. It was great. It was great. You know what? It was formerNHL.com, which I miss. Again, New Yorkers, they just won't understand because they're from there. But I feel like in Canada, we have newspapers. In New York, they have newspapers.

The tablets. Swing and a mistress. What was it? X-Tree, X-Tree. Yeah, exactly. Bartolo Colon, Secret Double Life. Is he related to aliens? Pretty much.

We'll find out. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, so Jesse's going to try to avoid reading that story now because it's really interesting and salacious. We'll get there right after this. Let's get into something really interesting, which is the NHL and NHLPA summer guidelines.

Actually, it's more interesting than you think. Is this part of 30 Thoughts or is that it? It is actually part of Elliott Friedman's 30 Thoughts. I had forgotten this because I think last year or the year before was the first time it happened, and it's a little bit more like the NBA these days. It used to be that you had to wait till July 1st to talk to a free agent and the Philadelphia Flyers, like they do, you know, they don't have a cap. The rest of the NFL has a cap.

Yes. They also don't have rules. And I believe Ed Snyder at the time signed Jeremy Roenick like two weeks before July 1st. And then they were like, hey, you know, like literally as soon as July 1st, they're like, yeah, $37 million contract, five years or something like that. I would love to know the blatant tampering that goes on. Especially in this era where you can just text somebody. You can just text someone. Yeah.

Or you could just, if you put it in text, then it's in writing. So that's not good. Inevitably, it comes out. You always want to phone call someone. Because then you only call them. They can't prove anything else. Then it would be great to see the, I forget the term. So for lack of a better term, passive aggressive text that you could send.

Like, imagine Steve Eisenman wanted to tamper, and all he's doing is, like, texting free agents, it's 32 degrees and sunny today. Oh, oh, look at the weather today. It's 34 degrees, sunny with a slight breeze. Oh, I'm just having a mojito in Stamkos' backyard. Oh, look, it's our 19th consecutive sunny day. Oh, and it's also tax-free. Isn't it interesting?

We have beautiful tax-free weather. You're making me jealous. It's like my lifetime goal to move to Tampa. I love it there. I absolutely love it. I know what you're like. Is that your second team? Yeah.

Has Adam been to a game in Tampa? I may have been there. I think he might have been to Tampa. Does he like the fans? He says, you know what? They're really raucous. They're amazing. I think I've heard that once or twice.

You know, a lot of people don't think fans in Florida care about hockey, but would a fan base that doesn't care about hockey have a statue of Dave Anderchuk, Jesse? Right. Right. Yeah. Probably. Probably. Yeah, so here's the deal.

Teams and agents. So teams can start interviewing unrestricted free agents at 12.01 a.m., all times Eastern Standard Time, because the East is the only one that matters. Right, really. On June 25th. Remember, free agency is July 1st,

so that's like a whole week before. June 25th is when you can talk to an unrestricted free agent. Sorry, what time? 12.01 a.m. On June 25th. Yeah. so you can have very interesting you can have an agreement in principle going into july 1st now a player can say well i got a better offer on july 1st but the offers are really going to come in

on june 25th and i think there's a really great broadcasting reason for that and i think the nba kind of nails it um they they kind of started that first and it's because you want everybody to sign on july 1st so broadcasters can build a day around it almost like trade deadline i'll give you a second reason. So it's 12.01 a.m. So that means it's all day June 25th. And onwards. June 25th is the second day

of the draft. Interesting. And all the GMs are in the same room. All the executives are in the same room. All the agents are there. So Lou Lamorello can just, Hey, I'm talking to Stamkos right now. What up? What up? Stamkos, say hi to Stevie.

Say hi to Stevie. Hi, Stevie. Lou Lamorello with the boombox. It's Mr. Steal Your Girl. You imagine? That's his favorite song. Yeah, absolutely. That's his favorite song. Absolutely.

That is a very interesting little tidbit. Yeah, well, and the NBA has been doing that for years, and that's why there are sign-and-trade deals. And I think you can do that in the NHL, although nobody has, where you have the team sign the player, so that way you can guarantee that you get them and no one comes in with a bully offer.

well we almost a couple teams almost got themselves in a bit of a pickle this year uh which is why i kind of like there's certain things i don't think you can put down on paper but what basically happened was the flyers traded vincent le cavalier to the kings with the promise that he would retire he didn't have to honor that promise he still doesn't have to i don't think there's anything contractual that says he has to honor that. And him retiring,

I believe, is going to be the difference between them signing Lucic or not. Well, I mean, the Kings will find a way because they're the Kings and they have their own

salary cap. We've talked about this, Adam. It's an $84 million salary cap. Yeah. Because, by the way, we make fun of Chicago,

LA, and Philadelphia for that, but the Leafs are so in that boat. We don't have a cap either. Adam, Adam, they're all in injured reserve. Right. Right.

They're hurt. How dare you? And sign-and-trade is working in the NBA because you get more money if you sign with your own team. So if you re-sign with your own team, you're getting paid more so that they can pay more. You do in the NHL, too, because you get an extra year if you're going max deal, right? Seven years on unrestricted free agency rather than eight. Someone sent me a tweet with a very interesting thought on Stephen Stamkos. Thought is?

What if you sign him? Or, sorry, what if you acquire him, right? You acquire him, you trade for him, however. You sign him. to a one-year 14 million dollar contract like no one no one can match it it's 14 mil it's not like it's a lot of money i mean the leafs are always kind of a cap team but it's not like they'll be contending so it won't hamstring them too much hopefully um and then after that you can sign him to eight if you want because he's yours you don't have to sign him to seven right does he

take a pay cut he walks away because he has that option or he walks away because he has that option yeah yeah it is I mean it's an interesting theory and Lou Lamorello no doubt already knows about it intimately yes which

makes me laugh that the NHL even has to mail these rules out or email these rules out well because Jim Benning exists so

that's why they email it out a Canucks fan asked me on Twitter he's like why do you hate the Canucks or no I think it was Facebook oh why do you hate the Canucks and I'm like

I don't they're just so gosh darn fun I'll stop talking about them when they stop being so interesting I love the Canucks They're the best

They're the most fun right now And by the way The Canucks helped launch this show Listen to the first year Their silliness Of this show And the silliness And actually the second year

The silliness of the Dave Nones era The Dave Nones Randy Carlisle era The Leafs were the Canucks Not 18 months ago But what was great was So we had the Leafs Being terrible

But we had the Canucks Actively When we started this podcast Regressing Actively screwing up A great thing Yeah And now they still think

they have that great thing. They don't have that great thing. They don't have that great thing. Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see. I mean, it would be nice if the NHL got creative.

I don't think they will. I don't think this is the year. However, last year we saw the slowest free agency period in any of our lives, right? I mean, that was really boring.

I wonder if now NHL GMs are going, okay, we really got to figure out a way to get creative with this because it's not working. And I wonder with a sign-and-trade deal. So Stamkos wants eight years,

but he doesn't want to play in Tampa Bay. So you call up Steve Eisenman and you're Lou Amarello. That's just hypothetically speaking. On June 25th, because we can. Yeah. And you say, listen, Stamkos isn't going to play for you. He's not going to sign with you. But we want to get him an eighth year.

So if he signs with you, he can do that. Here's the money we want to pay. what is the guarantee and i wonder how this works in the nba jesse maybe you know because you know the nba far better than i do um what is the guarantee that the team that signs the player trades them and the nba i'm pretty sure it's worked into one deal so the trade is in association with the signing when you're so it's in writing yeah when you're submitting the whole package to the nba and this is what i was saying about vinny sign off on yeah because i don't know that that's i don't know that exists in the nhl not yet no well and something you said there jesse

made me think the nhl will never do this is the player gets more money this way the nhl is not interested in the nhl and paying their players as much as they can because yeah there's a lockout every five years or whatever yeah in the nhl sign-in trades only work if you're going for the eighth year because you don't get more money when you're doing when you're signing with your home team that is more money though that is more money though yeah when you think about it's more money committed how many players are signing for eight years not a lot you're right but it is it is money committed if you sign a four-year contract which we'll see a lot more often in the nba then you also are getting more money so we'll see more sign-in trades

interesting it's all very very interesting um yeah i know we don't need to get into it today but i have a theory on how to make the nhl a far better system the system that they're using right now is not good. And I have a theory on that system, but we need a completely different show and a show where... Why are you here today? You gave me like... Well, because it's a tease. Let's

focus on the here and now. Let's focus on the here and now. No, no, no. We will get to it. No, no. Adam brought it up. Not me. We will get to it. I've been waiting on this one. And it's a very simple theory, but I think it will work for the NHL and I think it will solve the cap issues that we are facing

right now make the game more fun for the fans more fun for the teams and make the league more profitable there literally is a no-lose so we can all but guarantee this will not happen yeah pretty much oh we'll bring it up but it won't it won't happen no no it won't now um the other thing that we we need to talk about is restricted free agency not that it really matters because again uh in the nba restricted free agency matters in the nhl it does not nobody's giving up compensation in the nhl oh like um yeah so if you sign a player for sheets if you offer sheet a player and it is not matched uh at 1.239 million uh you don't have to give up any compensation but who's not going to match that right super producer jesse blake brought it up the compensation is crazy it is i got it

right here too oh there you go between 1.2 and 1.8 million it's a third round pick uh between 1.8 and 3.75 it's a second uh between 3.75 and 5.63 it's a first and third uh between 5.63 and 7.5 uh we got a first a second and a third over seven and uh seven and a half to nine and a half it is two firsts a second and a third rounder and of course over 9.3 for first round picks unbelievable And that, of course, is from Sportsnet.ca. Yes, it is. Elliot Freedman's 30 Thoughts. Not Wikipedia.

No. Which Jesse brought up. No, that's the first place I would have gone. Because I was born from the internet. I think the compensation on restricted free agency is just insanity. Why would you ever go that route? Well, like, for example, I think a guy that's been brought up a lot. I think he's an RFA.

I'm sure Twitter will correct me if I'm wrong. Tyson Berry. He is. Colorado. young, right-handed defenseman, got a bright future. And they got to choose between him and Matt Duchesne, apparently, because of their cap issues. Yeah, something like that.

And someone was, I saw people tweeting like, he's probably going to get around the six million range. Well, if that's true and Colorado doesn't match, that means the Leafs got to give up a first, second, and third. For Tyson Barrett. And like, what have we talked about? Doing that is bad. Players in that range, though.

they kill your team even if those contracts kill your team even if they're good contributors to my team okay even if i get them and they end up being a good contributor to my team you know what could also be a good contributor to my team a first second and third round pick and that even the 3.7 to 5.6 range a first and a third are you on drugs it's not worth that i'll take that every time it's what confuses me is why teams always match yeah right that's the other thing teams do match all the time when you could be compiling assets correct me if i'm wrong okay so the correct me if i'm wrong i think the flyers signed shea weber to that huge gymongous contract that was last offseason right no no that was that was years ago because he he's on nashville right

and the Flyers sign him to an offer sheet. Prince would have got four firsts for that. Why did they match? I don't get it. And then they could have kept Suter, who they wanted the whole time anyway. Even if it was two firsts, a second, and third. Holy smokes.

It would have been more than that, though. It would have been the four firsts. Now, there are guys you don't get any compensation for, But it's such a small salary that it doesn't even matter. Holy, holy. That's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot.

And it seems a bit, I mean, everything about the NHL right now, and this is what's clogging up the teams, is that there is no room for movement. I think that's what they want. I don't think that's good for the game, though. I don't think that's good for the game. If you are restricting teams for years at a time from making improvements, If you're slowing down the process of getting better, then you are, as an entertainment organization, doing yourself a tremendous disservice.

You have people, you have fan bases. Forget the Leafs. Forget the fact that the Leafs fan base is always engaged. But there was a tremendous amount of apathy for a while. If you have a team like Nashville and they're at the end of their window and they are going to be bad for conceivably three to five years, Tell me that doesn't hurt the NHL's bottom line And tell me that doesn't threaten the franchise You're not referring to

Not what's actually happening But let's say it's a team like Nashville A smaller market Florida, look at Florida Have they ever made a profit? I think the thought Probably not I think the thought is

One, keeping players with a team for a long time It builds a relationship between that player and the fan base And two, it protects uh you know the have-nots from getting pillaged you know every three four or five years or whatever for all their stars you know kind of what happened i don't know if it happens that much anymore but in the mlb i think bill burr had this hilarious joke where like the yankees would just send vultures and buzzards to to swarm the pittsburgh pirates pretty much just pick them off just pick them off whenever they're ready pay them more yeah just take the fruit off their tree

bring it over to your little market yep does it take too long for an nhl player to become an uh ufa um the nhl players association would love that yep what how old i think it's 27 or 7 seven years so you're either 25 26 or 27 yeah that's a long time 27 or so that's a long time but again it used to be 31 remember? oh my god it used to be 31

but that's when there was no salary cap see these kinds of conversations are legit but they concern me because I go oh god oh god

I don't want to I don't want to agree or disagree because someone's going to dig their heels in and cause a lockout and then what will we

talk about this is going to be it's not hockey and Pokemon anymore it's all Pokemon as Leaf fans and fans of this rebuild that we're in

we should absolutely be fans of unrestricted free agency staying where it is or perhaps even moving up because we don't want to lose our players. Nope. Right?

You imagine that you draft a player and you put all this work into them and, you know, like, look at Nazem Qadri. Again, he's been with the team how long? He's been up and down and now officially an NHLer

for, what, three straight years. Imagine he was an unrestricted free agent now. Because the reason they got him at the rate they got him was because they gave him some term and it was a fair price and I think a fair length.

I like the contract. I like everything about it. But if he was an unrestricted free agent this year, that would be a lot more. And he wouldn't have signed it. He wouldn't have signed it. He wouldn't have stuck around. Not if they were going to pay him four and a half

when he could get five and a half somewhere else. Would you? Especially knowing what we know now about, you know, we mentioned the article from the Hockey News that 75% of the player's salary goes to other things other than, you know, their own money. think about that so what's the problem here how do we solve this problem is the is the problem make compensation a little more reasonable yeah i think so i think you have to i mean it what

there's nothing nothing that is worth four first overall picks or first round picks there's nothing and this is what i'm saying because everyone freaking out like oh we're gonna lose this player dude if you do your job you do your job that team off so bad that they are making you good so okay so tyson berry gets six million that is a first a second and a third i bet you could get tyson berry for less than for a first a second and a third right now from colorado wasn't and and this is i bet you could this is gonna piss off leaf fans but i'm pretty sure that's the range the leafs could have offer sheeted for phil kessel and what they instead did was gave more Two firsts and a second, you know, to be good guys.

Well, Boston may have matched. Let them! Let them do it! The reason they traded is because they couldn't afford to match. Put them in a tough spot. It's a competitive sport. Make them uncomfortable. Oh, you burn a bridge.

Well, how many trades are you really making with a divisional rival? Yes, a couple years later, they got, you know, a fair bounty for Thomas Caberly, but... you burn a bridge but do you really burn a bridge you don't burn a bridge why not make life difficult for a

divisional rival yeah why not tough decisions let's go why don't teams offer sheet teams in their division

all the time just make it difficult especially a team like the Leafs that has a wallet to throw around and a GM that's 74

when the next season starts and won't care oh you're offended I don't care yeah what would he care and

I've been in the business longer than you've been alive, kid. If you are letting personal vendettas get in the way of doing smart business in any business,

then you're not doing your job. Yeah. And people who are angry make stupid decisions. Absolutely. Why not piss them off? Absolutely. And look what happened

with the Oilers and Ducks. That was just stupid and I think it scared the Dustin Petter situation I think scared a lot of GMs from ever doing that again. And Brian Burke was 100% in the wrong.

Why would you get so mad at a team doing something that is completely legal. And not to mention Dustin Penner! It's Dustin Penner. It didn't hurt the Ducks that much and it clobbered the Oilers.

Yeah. Why not thank them every day for those picks? How about that? Why not? Jesse, could you look up I don't know how you would find this but what those picks turned into

for the Ducks? In the meantime, we got to wrap it up on Sportsnet 590 The Fan. The podcast is brought to you by Panago Pizza. It's what's on the inside that counts. We will get to that

on the download portion. Also, we have reports out of China about a couple KHL franchises. A couple? In the running, yes. And a guy named, and I think you should know this name, Vadim Shipachov. Vadim Shipachov. And the piranhas are circling for this guy.

He is coming to the NHL. The question is where. The rumored city is unbelievable to me in the worst way. I cannot believe he would pick this city Will I not believe number 7? You will not believe number 7 No, no, this is like We'll have that next in the download portion

At Sportsnet.ca or on iTunes Or on Podstitcher or on Google Play Steve Bangle Podcast out So Jesse, do we have an answer On Dustin Penner and the move to the Oilers Sorry Oilers fans, by the way Oh, they know That one's old

That one's old They've been stabbed with various swords ever since. For Dustin Penner, Anaheim got a first, a second, and a third in the 2008 draft. Come on! And that was a great draft. I would love to know what they got. With that first round pick, which was 12th overall, Brian Burke flipped that for a fourth round pick, the 117th overall,

and another first round pick, the 17th overall. He moved down three spots. Three spots for a pick he barely deserved. And a fourth. That fourth round pick turned out to be Joffrey Lupo. Wow! What about the first one? And the first round pick?

Jake Gardner. Get out! Get out! That's amazing! And then we'll go to the second round pick, which he later traded Jake Gardner for Francois Beauchemin. Yeah, of course. So that second round pick in the 2008 draft

was 43rd overall, and he drafted Justin Schultz. Oh! Who later signed with the Oilers Funny is that How funny is that I didn't even know that Oh the

The first round pick Also came with another First round pick 28th overall Wait Wait so there's two firsts You flipped that First round pick

From the Oilers For two firsts And a fourth And a fourth And you got So we got Leupold, Gardner Can you look up

Who was pick 14th Who was the prospect What was the team You made the trade with Who was the team That had to have the 14th pick because our guy

is there it's 14th so Burke traded the first round pick to the Kings for 17th and 28th

who did they draft yeah and then the Kings drafted must have been somebody good this is what I'm talking about guys

this is what I'm talking about take the picks take them what are the odds what are the odds you'll screw up all of them

and I'm at a pretty good draft there already and we don't even know all the picks but that's a pretty damn good draft Right there, Gardner and Leupold.

You get magical picks, just magical out of nowhere, and then you can trade down willy-nilly if you want. Oh, my God. So it looks like Los Angeles ended up trading that pick, or trading up, I'm not sure. Again. Because for that 12th pick, Buffalo took Tyler Myers. That's a good pick.

It was a good pick. It was the 14th pick, though, wasn't it? It was the 14th pick. The original was the 12th pick. Oh, okay. From the Oilers was the 12th pick. This is so confusing. Holy smokes.

I guess we're getting... What we need to do. We're getting away from the point. What did the Ducks get? The point is, the Ducks got Gardner and Lupo already from trading down five spots. It was 12th to 17th, right? And to give you an idea of how, like, the ripple effect of this, Lupo and Gardner were traded for each other.

Oh, wait, no, they weren't. With each other. With each other. I'm sorry. I screwed that up. Yeah, and Dustin Penner. Lupo was traded and acquired and whatever so many times. Now, here's the fun part, okay?

So the Oilers go to the Ducks, and they say, listen, we hear you're having trouble resigning Dustin Penner. Can we give you our first round pick? Did the Ducks say yes? Absolutely the Ducks say yes to that. Well, we don't know about the context of the time, though, because they just won the Cup. And he was great.

He looked good. He was great. And they actually had a positive relationship with the Oilers because the Oilers had a cantankerous defenseman that demanded a trade and the Ducks said, we'll take him off you and we'll pay a pretty penny for him.

That guy's name was Chris Pronger and that's basically how they won the cup right there. Wow. And the reason the Oilers had picks to spend, just spend them like whatever, because they got them all

from the Ducks for Chris Pronger. Do you not think, if you're Dustin Penner in that situation, do you not think he goes, damn, I should have just re-signed

whatever money they wanted? Nope. I don't think any retired NHLer is like man I should have signed for less true yeah that's true you're right

okay it did I mean he he did have a really rough time it is one of those things where it's like I am in a sweet spot though yeah

that's the thing like do you want money or do you want memories and then he kind of pinged around I think most people would say well

monies help you have memories true money can't buy me happiness that's a Canadian song only our American listeners are not going to get the Rexdale Boulevard reference

yeah Drake put that on views and I'm like I don't think anyone's going to get that. No, what's his, what was his name? Jellystone. Jellystone. Can I just clear up the Gardner-Lupel mess?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So it was a first round, the 12th, and then they got two firsts from Los Angeles for the 12th pick, the 17th and the 28th. And then later, Murray traded Gardner and Lupel for Beauchemin. So that's how Lupel got, Lupel wasn't taken in that draft. Oh. Oh, okay.

That's the two first. Steve, you literally should do a breakdown of... You should do an article on restricted free agency and how you can understand how people don't do it. And look at how Anaheim benefited from losing Dustin Petter. They got like a roster's worth of players. Yes. The third round pick became Marc-Andre Bergeron.

Bergeron. Bergeron, who was a serviceable NHLer for a number of years. And was great in the NHL games. My goodness. His speed was unreal. Him and Marek Zvatos. Him, Marek Svatos, Patrick O'Sullivan Patrick O'Sullivan was good

Dan Blackburn Just put them all on a team of PA Sports amazing players There was a guy we traded for Yuri Talusti Was it Pascal? It wasn't Dupuis Pascal

Philippe Parity Philippe Parity He was amazing Really? His speed was out of this world Out of this world Yeah Well

Not quite Not quite Not like real life Yeah Not like real life Not like real So one of the friends of the show, Ivis Kalnish, you should follow him on Twitter. Ivis Kalnish.

And it's spelled A-I-V-I-S and then C-A-L-I-N-I-S. His name is pronounced Latvian. Yes. And he is at the IIHF World Hockey Championships right now. He's doing a whole bunch of reporting. Sportsnet uses his tweets sometimes because he's got scoops that no one else has over there. And he can translate it to English. Yes, he can.

I spoke to him on the phone at the trade deadline. It's funny because, you know, I'll get tweets all the time like, hey, I heard about this. I heard about that. And so often it turns out to be BS. And, I mean, Ivis, I mean, don't take this the wrong way. But the first few times he tweeted at me, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. But he was right so many consecutive times.

Yeah, he knows what he's talking about. Everyone's just like, this guy's legit. Well, the one thing he said today is that Babcock was at the Finland game. Yeah, which, yeah. As you would understand. And apparently the Leafs have really, the Leafs scouts have really been at the Finland-America games. They've been all over both of those games, which you would understand. And apparently right now, as we do this podcast, they are at the Russia game.

Which brings me to the first thing that Ivis kind of said, you know, that I asked him about. Because there's a player who has 13 points in seven games. Three goals and 10 assists at the recording of this podcast. Yes, it'll be more games and more points likely when you get this, but this is what he has. That's the wild guarantee. Now, Vadim Shipachov. Vadim Shipachov, yes.

Apparently, and this came up in Elliot Friedman's 30 Thoughts as well, NHL teams are swirling, are drooling over this guy. And he played on a line in the KHL with Artemi Pernarin and another guy named Dadunov. And they tore it up. The Donoff. The Donoff, yeah. I think.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. However they'll say it here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they tore it up. So Panarin was the first one to make the jump. Shipachov will probably make it this year. And what's interesting is they say he's, okay, so he's a really good center, reads the game well,

good skater, fluid stride, offensive mind, and he's not a physical guy, but he has all the other kind of characteristics that people are looking for. so he is talking to the NHL from what we know from Ivis he's probably coming and the team he is talking to

is maybe the worst decision you could make which I find very interesting at least in my opinion who is it? the Edmonds and Oilers take a guess so you say Oilers

the worst decision you could make yeah if you're a player the last team you want to sign on? Well, I would say... As an unknown commodity, as a player who's established in the KHL. Probably a team that doesn't have the room to pay for them.

Well, no. Ignore that. What's a bad place to go, Steve? Name a bad place to go. Buffalo. No, no. Buffalo's pretty good. They got you.

Yeah, but then imagine who's going to write about you. I'll just give it to you. The Montreal Canadiens. Really? Why is that the worst place to go? He's the best goaltender in the world. They're going to fire the coach. That's my point, is I don't think that they are this season.

And if we know anything about Michelle Tarian, he is terrible at maximizing really great players to their full potential. The stats show it, the team's performance shows it, and yet here he is still being the head coach. This makes me want this player less, that the Montreal Canadiens hold him in such high regard. Well, yeah, but I think every team in the NHL is holding him in high regard. And I think, too, I mean, I think there's a lot of people falling in love with a lot of players at this tournament.

So I think whether he turns out to be a Panarin or not, they're having he's having a great tournament. So NHL teams are falling in love with him, which makes it very interesting that the Leafs are at Team Russia's game because they're probably checking him out, too. But I think if I'm a player coming over from the KHL and I bet you Andrew Jerkshire would totally back me on this. I am not signing in Montreal. Not a chance. Do we now Is this now The beginning of a fad Or

The second wave in a fad The raid The raid The KHL raid It happened a few years ago And it kind of went away For a little bit But people were poaching

From Sweden Like crazy The monster Gustafsson Yeah Remember the monster Who else did we beat out From Dallas

What was his name No no He went to Dallas Fabian Brunstrom Oh And the Leafs. Remember Fabian Brunstrom? What a great name, though.

You don't remember the Fabian Brunstrom sweepstakes? There was so much hype. He was going to Brunstorm the NHL. Oh! And everyone's like, he won't live up to the hype. And in his first career NHL game, boom, hat trick. And I think that was it. I don't know if he had three goals the rest of his career.

How much does Panarin have to do with this? This is what I'm saying. Well, I think because they played together and it was a legendary line that I for sure think everybody wants, it's a gold rush, right? Everybody wants Panarin, not everybody's going to get it. But this guy might be the real deal, from what I'm hearing and what I was saying

it is, he is. He's a great player, but I think it's just very interesting to see that happen. KHL's full of great players. Absolutely. If it's the second or third best league in the world, it's got to be full of NHL-worthy players. The best

players in that league are worthy. Like, people laugh and they go, oh, Nigel Dawes, he's one of the leading scorers. Well, maybe Nigel Dawes is an NHL player. He just went for a more lucrative opportunity. Brandon Kozin's a high-scoring player over there. There are players. There are players in that

league. It's something, too. The second thing that Ivis kind of mentioned today was that there are a couple of teams doing the thing that three years ago on this very show, Steve, you brought

up and that we have mentioned several times that the the chinese market in any business you break that market you get into that market you get you get in you make a home in that market game's over yeah you get one seventh of the world's eyes game's over and people have told me well what if only one percent of the chinese population likes hockey what's one percent of what is it a billion and a half billion i believe the answer is a hundred million So if you get 1% of the Chinese market More than Canada Yeah

That is triple the size of Canada Triple Even if you get a third of 1% Yes Canada So Canada Which brings me to the scoop

Which is There are two Chinese teams In the running for the KHL Okay So we've got one of them being the They call it the Beijing Red Star Kunjun I hope I'm pronouncing that right The other one is unnamed

And according to Ivis, they are building hockey arenas right across China as we speak right now. So it's a thing that Chinese investors, I guess the Chinese government would have to have something to do with it. It's a sport that they have their eye on. And the KHL, as we said, is going to make a play for China. Meanwhile, I read something recently about, oh yeah, it's not looking good with regards to NHL players going over for the 2018 Olympics. Are you high? They're going. Seriously, how out of touch?

How out of touch do you have to be? The NHL players are going. They're going. Oh, well, it's not going to make us money. Oh, the league won't allow it. Well, the NHL players will be like, well, we're going to go anyway. Some of them.

Except for the Russians. Ovechkin will go. They're on too many steroids. The IOC won't let that happen. Russians won't be in the Olympics. The IOC actually came out and said that today. They said they could be banned. The country?

Well, because the guy that headed up their anti-doping agency actively doped every athlete in the last Olympics and then admitted to it and said it's state-sponsored like the Soviet era in the 70s. Like in Montreal when they came in. They say they have proof of them swapping the urine from the bottles and putting in fresh urine. They have pictures. I have seen the pictures. They're on the internet. Yeah. I've seen them.

They're out there. The entire Olympic team was doped up. Except for Ovechkin and the rest of them. Except for the hockey players. I would imagine, except for the hockey players, yeah. Do we owe Steigerwald an apology if it turns out Ovechkin was on steroids the whole time? Do we? Do we?

I don't think Ovechkin's on steroids. I don't know. I don't actually know. For two weeks in Sochi? I don't think that would do you any good. I don't think two weeks of steroids is going to help you too much. And it's funny, like, I think two... Not that they played well.

Maybe that's why. Maybe they're going to use that. I think two players got busted for banned substances during last Winter Olympics in hockey. and I think one was like a Latvian and Nicholas Backstrom got busted for doing Sudafed

in the final remember that big Russian bear at the closing ceremonies that was crying you remember that big floating Russian bear oh that was terrifying I wonder if he was on steroids I mean it would explain his size Adam, no he wasn't

why? because he was on bear-oids that's not even good Steve just bad flipped and walked out of the room Bye Steve He just put bear in front of steroids How is that a joke? It's hilarious

Well the bear-oids would explain why he was so emotional I mean, come on He was crying I just yelled so loud I hurt my eye Never done that Can't say I've ever done that Anyway, thank you to Ivis for that So very interesting thing

We'll see what happens with Shipachov and, you know what, Dadunov as well. Because apparently he may follow Shepachov to the NHL. TheLeafsNation.com I believe his name is Golovkin. Okay. And he's kind of in a similar position to... Nikita Zaitsev?

Nikita... Sofnikov. Because these guys are established KHLers and they're a little older, Where's Sashnikov And Golovkin Oh okay I don't know his name

Starts with a G They're much Much younger Commodities May get signed Cool Good for him I think

I think there will be A big purge There was kind of After the 05-06 lockout Because all these guys Went over to Europe And they played Like a full season there

And they're like Hey you know who's pretty good This Jonas Hiller goalie And they brought him over And he had a Pretty good career Not bad Not bad

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Thank you so much for your donations. We appreciate it. Skate to Great. It's in the name. Why don't NHL games have that anymore? EA Sports. It's in the game. I think maybe they gotta pay the guy

Or something like that They gotta give him royalties I don't think so One of the coolest Videos I've ever seen Just those little vines or whatever It was this kid going EA Sports it's in the game

And this guy beside him goes yeah it's pretty good But EA Sports And it's the guy It's the guy How do you know You're meeting that guy I saw this other person

I saw was at an award show and they got a video with the voices of Spongebob and Patrick how do you know what they look like I would google that

there are so few voice actors I actually know what they look like wow I know a lot of the Simpsons people yeah the Simpsons folks

are pretty famous yeah he's huge yeah and I think after that I know like the family Seth MacFarlane

yeah them the South Park you know Trey Park South Park because they have like three three or four voice actors

it's amazing that those two guys can do all those characters and Mark Hamill Mark Hamill's a South Park guy? Mark Hamill Luke Skywalker

Luke Skywalker go look up his IMDB since Star Wars because people go oh he was never in any movies he had a prolific

voice acting career he I believe was the Joker in the Batman animated series wow no and like up until like a few years ago

only the hardcore nerds really knew it the first thing when you start typing in Mark Hamill is Mark Hamill Joker wow you know what's interesting is the way he's handling being re-famous you know what I mean it happens to some people

totally absolutely I mean it's happened to Carrie Fisher too with Star Wars being as big as it is again and it was always big but now it's again fever pitch crazy like it was in the early 80's now what's amazing is They showed a picture of Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver at an airport. I guess they're shooting the episode eight.

I don't know who those people are. Well, if you saw the movie, you would. You don't know who Adam Driver is? You've never seen Girls? Oh, are those the two new... Adam Driver? Adam Driver's pretty good. The Stormtrooper?

Well, he's actually Kylo Ren. Yeah, he's the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. He's not a Stormtrooper. Oh, that guy. From Girls. Face guy. You've never seen Girls?

Does Mrs. Daniel not watch Girls? I don't recognize this person. No. You guys need to be watching Girls How are you not watching Girls? Oh my goodness Do you not watch Girls? Too many Marley's games

There are It's like the easiest series to get through I've seen Girls Everybody's seen an episode of Girls Come on By the way If you watch Girls It will make you laugh

And at the same time somewhat frustrated with your partner Because all because to Caprice when we watch girls what the people in that show are doing makes sense but to me I'm like what planet are you from

this is so wrong that they're thinking and doing and this and this and this and she'll be like no it makes complete sense what the hell are you talking about you don't know who Shoshana just so crazy Shoshana drives me freaking nuts she drives me nuts okay Shoshana is the worst

Mrs. Dangle and I's pace is much more Broad City just being idiots and stabbing each other with EpiPens? That's cool. Yeah. That's cool. I'm into that.

I get that. I totally get that. I love shellfish. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I guess, okay, okay. It doesn't work when there's only one of me. Just watch it.

You guys can bounce off each other. Just watch it. Now, Jesse's going to fix the camera here and then we're going to do an NHL in-game promotion of the day. And by the way,

we're running out of these. It's like, we're almost, I mean, unless we follow the New Jersey Devils mascot that still tends to, like,

still asking questions On Twitter for some reason Gotta keep that profile up Today we stray a little bit from the NHL We go to minor league baseball The place of all things fun So what seven full time job Internship do they have now

Yeah I wonder who's running this promotion But when you think of the 90's What do you think of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Sammy Sosa Is it Steroid Knight Biker Mice from Mars So what is that

A cartoon 90s cartoons So This minor league baseball team This might be one I can guess 90s cartoon night What are they doing? 90s cartoon night

Like what cartoon are they doing? What are they doing in general? Cosplay Which by the way On Reddit Whenever I see someone like Oh this is my such and such cosplay I'm like costume

That's your Darth Vader costume No it's cosplay Oh, I'm the Street Fighter character. It's my cosplay of the Street Fighter character. No, it's your costume. No, I'm cosplaying. No, you're wearing a costume.

Am I weird in thinking that... Am I the only one here that thinks that cosplay might be a lot of fun? Yeah, wearing a costume is a ton of fun. It is. It's Halloween. You're wearing a costume. And you're doing all the things that you did as a kid, which was shoot, like, you know, like you're playing in the...

Like, remember from... What's the movie with Paul Rudd and Sean William Scott? but role models. Did you ever see role models? Oh, yes, yes, yes. Where they don't call it cosplay, but it's not LARPing, but like doing LARPing would be,

I think that would be fun. But like at least there's acting to that. Otherwise, you're just wearing a costume. This is my frigging StarCraft cosplay. You're wearing a costume. How dare you? How dare you? That's all I'm going to say.

Oh, that's it? Yeah. Please someone tweet at me And make sure you start it with How dare you Start it with be offended by it Please be offended by it Because I think if you're offended by it

It makes you fit in with the rest of the internet Who's obviously offended by it So it has to start with how dare you How about hashtag make cosplay costume again Make cosplay great again When you wear your tank nation outfit Are you cosplaying tank nation No, I'm wearing a costume.

I think you're cosplaying. I don't think he's cosplaying, because he's not playing with any other people that are... No, you can cosplay with yourself. Okay, let's pretend next Halloween, you... Let's pretend next Halloween... I do cosplay with yourself in your room? I'm sure many do. No.

But next Halloween, if I go out as the mask, I put on a great mask costume. By the way, yes. Yeah. You should. I should. I've been saying I should for years and I just never do it

because gosh it seems like a lot of work you should sing the Chick Chicky Boom song too they call me Cuban Pete am I doing a mask cosplay or am I wearing a mask costume

no on Halloween it's a costume what the fuck people are fucked so the Frederick Keys of the Baltimore Orioles

class A team oh right we're doing a thing sorry having 90s night what are they doing you are if you're going to that game

you get a discounted slash free ticket if you come dressed up as was there a baseball cartoon recess kind of that's not bad like I want to say angels in the outfield but that wouldn't be cosplay

because it's not a cartoon hey Arnold oh you think you gotta be dressed up as a specific like cartoon baseball theme where is the team from They're the Frederick Keys Which is in Maryland

Frederick, Maryland Don't know any Maryland themed cartoons So hey Arnold's out So I'm going to say I'm going to say like the Simpsons Baseball episode The famous Simpsons MLB episode If you come dressed as one of those

I pick Daryl Stradberry I said trim those sideburns If you come as Ken Griffey Jr. with a little giganticism. Jesse, I have no idea why you picked Darryl Strudler for being a tall, slender man. If you come in a 90s-themed costume. I'm proud of that. I got Jesse to chortle again.

Go ahead. Sorry, buddy. If Jesse was a Pokemon, he'd be war chortle. Steve, make your guess. Wow! the puns on this show recently man man

alright alright um I don't even remember if you come dressed as a 90s cartoon character you get

a free beer okay can't give away alcohol but hot dog okay they are wearing

Hey Arnold jerseys oh I even said Hey Arnold's out look at these things they're so cool oh my god that is so awesome

I want one that's so sick Can we buy those? I don't know. But they're wearing them. Oh, and the plaid. Yeah. Yo, I want that.

90s Nickelodeon night. I actually, it's so well done. We should go down to Maryland. And every player's walkout music has to be Hey Arnold. Absolutely. Absolutely. Shout out. That was Russell.

Oh, man. Hey, Russell, thank you. That was awesome. And thank you for not sending it to Jesse, or Steve and I, sending it directly to Jesse was the right move. After Pokemon, that was my favorite cartoon. It was a great cartoon. Like, for, like, four years at least.

Oh, man. That was a really, really good one. I'm pissed off I didn't get the one Hey Arnold thing this show is ever going to have. I have a thing that I need to bring up. Okay. I have a thing that I need to bring up before we do the press conference.

And the first thing, the thing I want to bring up first is, what makes a great team? Good players. Any sport. Good players. Winning. Good players, right?

A good attitude. Yes. Respect of the coach. Good coach, good players, good character, good attitude, right? Lots of Canadian jerseys. Right. So I want, I've got to, I've got to, I got to, I got to question my own team here for

a second. Oh dear. I got to question a member of my own team. Okay. This team. This team? This team. And I need to know if this person is a bad person, if they have questionable character.

Are you talking about in this room? Yeah. The podcast? Yeah. I'm talking about questionable character and I'm going to quote I got my game 7 Marley's tickets I'm praying the series goes

7 games lol I got game 7 Marley's tickets I hope it goes 7 games and then we win and I get to be there sit in right in front of the glass and I'm not bringing you now I asked the question I didn't say

I got 2 tickets for me and Adam to sit right next to the glass for game 7 of Marley By the way, he never mentioned it was for me. He never said, he just said he got them. So it's me or attractive person that Jesse happens to be dating by the time game seven rolls around. Maybe I was going to surprise Adam on game seven.

You were not going to do that. We planned to go to a game. We did. But I couldn't make it. Right. Because I had to be in the west end of the city at the time of the game. So I picked up some tickets for this round in the hopes that maybe we could go. And now.

This is good spin. He's good at spin. and take shit from this man I was trying to surprise alright that's how I'm treated around here

I just thought I'd throw that out there is that a questionable I'm playing Pittsburgh by yourself man questionable character move Steve Dangle me thinks the shitman

doth protest too much oh alright alright now okay now we'll leave that to Twitter

to decide for us fully okay I just hope the Marlies are well-rested for the thing. On the subject of... Except for games, they have to play. Now, wait.

Now, if Game 7 doesn't happen, do you get your money back or do they just transfer that to the finals? They don't charge my credit card. Okay, people kept asking me that on Twitter. The team doesn't keep your money

for a thing you don't get. I think that doesn't exist. How do people not just assume that? Yoink? It's called the yoink ticket sale. It's totally legal. Do you think every time a team sweeps,

they're just like, fucking right! Get to keep all the money Ha ha ha dicks Imagine Thanks for your money pricks Oh you paid for front row seats 500 bucks a pop

For the Leafs LOL Kiss my ass I want a shirt that says Gerald Sonnen is the GM of every team Maybe you should just kiss my ass I think you should just kiss my ass I want a shirt that says

Ha ha ha dicks On it That was great On the subject of questions Everyone asked me that on Twitter That is very funny Hey man if there's no game 7 Do I get my money back?

Yes! Well, I am one of those guys that just wanted to make sure. I wondered if it transferred. I wondered if it was like a transfer. You get to trade that in. First dibs on championship tickets or something. Go to a restaurant and order food.

And if it doesn't arrive, you don't have to pay for it. True. All right. On the subject of questionable character, questionable character, I have another person that we need to talk about who may or may not have questionable character.

Is it somebody else sitting in this room? Well, I mean, it's on my team. This is my team. Right? So, now I need to ask if Steve Dangle is, in fact, a bad person. Okay. Now, this stems from a moment that happened yesterday morning. You two went to interview the same YouTubers for different shows.

Jesse, for YouTube Hits. Steve, for yourself. And for SportsNet.ca, of course. Yes. And, Jesse, you told me a story involving a... You know where I'm going with this. I'm going to let you take it. So...

Yesterday. Oh, great. Oh, this is a tag team effort? Fuck. We got to interview the guys from Dude Perfect, who are one of the largest YouTube channels ever. And they seem cool. Almost 10 million subscribers. Wow.

And we're standing around, and then they were there for an event for these, what was the school? For, like, underprivileged youth, they were getting... Oh, fucking no, it wasn't. So, Dude Perfect was lined up, they're doing autographs for all these little kids, and then the little kids get these Nerf toys. That are Dude Perfect Nerf toys. Yeah, they're branded Nerf Dude Perfect toys. and we're there with a YouTube girl I forget her name, Jen something

Oh you forget her name Because I seem to remember talking to her for half an hour but I mean Anyways Anyway go ahead, tell your story about Barb Tell your story about Ned All these kids are getting these Nerf toys and Steve turns to our YouTube correspondent

and says Can I get one of those? And she proceeds to be like Yeah, we have some here I can give you So Steve walked home with some Nerf toys, and I had to pick some up as well. So Jesse got one as well. So I got one as well.

So my question is, and then I leave it not to those in the room, because I remain neutral, as I do on every subject. Oh, for sure. You know, I'm not an opinionated guy. Oh, fuck. So knowing that, what does that make Steve? I mean, because you've got to think that at the end of the line, there might not have been enough Nerf toys for kids.

For all the kids? Right. Well, as it turns out, Steve is an amazing person, because if he had not asked for those little child toys, which are for children, I would not have gotten to throw a ball at Adam's face yesterday. Yeah, hit me right in the back of the neck. Hit him right in the face. Oh. In the back of the head. Back of the neck.

So, thank you, Steve, for all of that joy you brought me. Steve is an amazing person. The goddamn mental wizardry Of Jesse Blake I was about to just rip into him But now I can't because he ended on a nice note And it was the note in which you felt physical pain So I can't

All I have to do is laugh So now I'm just sitting here all frustrated I got mental blue balls From Jesse I give out mental blue balls Thanks Steve I love you you're welcome

I think fuck my brain hurts that was that was fun I've been waiting on that one for both of you just cause it was fun

yeah I hope Jen hears this and right now Jesse's going who you know who hears this you mean Ned right

yeah you mean sorry Jaken oh speaking of which alright is it our turn to get it no

okay no No, because I'm, you know, nice. So, got a tweet. Well, I got lots of tweets from people. And I just kept forgetting to bring it up on the podcast. Were you a fan of our WHL name segment? I think a lot of you were.

A lot of you were tweeting me. Except for Polish people. Polish people hated it. And Irish people. They didn't think it was fun. Okay, well, if you don't think that was a little fun, what do you find fun? What do you find fun?

If you say something's not fun, I think you should have to say something you find fun. I got a DM this morning that reminded me to bring this up on the podcast from Montreal, Quebec. Arik Parnas. Hope I said your name right. That might just be a weird way of saying Eric. A-R-I-K. Arik? I think it's Arik.

I don't know. Anyway. Hey, man. Love the WHL name episodes. But boy, did you guys bury the lead this year by not looking at the full names. What happened? Well, we had a lot. Oh, do you not know about this, Jess?

No. To this, I know. So there were lots of names. What were some of the names? Javelin was not one of them. Javelin was not one. That was a fake one. But I believe we had a jersey.

We had, I don't think there was a kale this year. There was a kale in the previous year. One of the names that frustrated me was Jaken. Yes. J-A-K-I-N. Jakin. Oh, I saw this. Well, for those of you who haven't seen it,

remember I was going, man, we should really look up the full names of some of these guys. Yeah. We got the crown jewel, ladies and gentlemen. Stop the contest. We can't even do it next year. It's done. What were this guy's parents thinking?

from leduc alberta canada born new year's day 2001 because we're old as shit yep wow jayken smallwood his name is jayken smallwood His name is one letter away from Jack and Smallwood I'm surprised you came out and said it I thought you were just going to infer Jack and Smallwood, Adam Welcome to my life

We don't even know for sure it's Jaken, by the way No, it could be Jaken So, oh, I met your son Jaken, he's very nice Actually, it's Jaken Do you think they cut you off? Actually, it's Jaken Is it Yakim, maybe? his name is

Jack and Smallwood man Smallwood's a rough go to begin with we should try and contact his parents see what they're up to hey so

what the fuck just start the conversation with that what the fuck are you thinking watch him become like the next Ovechkin and we're like

and we have him on the show and he's like I heard what you said about my name I heard what you said and he's like I forgive you, I get it

Yeah, I haven't forgiven my parents either Let's do the press conference boys The Presser S.D.P The Steve Dangle Press Conference Any idea, casual maths Any idea why the Marlies are playing Their first two games on the road

Why they're doing the 2-3-1-1 Series Before I get to that, Jake and Smallwood Round 5, 90 second overall, Moosejaw Warriors So Moosejaw, get excited because It's Jake and Smallwood is coming to town. Why are the Marlies playing their first two games on the road? I heard it's scheduling conflicts.

If you go and look at the other series in the Final Four in the AHL, it's not the same format. And I think Jeff told me, Jeffler, Jeff Ayette, I didn't end up this way, but if the Ontario Reign were playing whoever the other team was, the team that Lake Erie ended up beating, the format would have been 1-1, 1-1, 1-1, 1. Oh, wow. Whoa.

What's up with these Marley stadiums? It's dumb. So for the, what is it for the Marleys? Is it 2-3-2? It's 2-3-1-1. Oh, 2-3-1-1. That's cool. Because they have home ice advantage.

So you've got to have four games. So they have home ice advantage. First two games. How do they stack up in this round, by the way, against this team? Do they stack up, I guess, better than Alvin? I haven't looked into it just yet. I haven't done too much research on Hershey, but I mean, they're in the Final Four, right?

Yeah, they got to be good. Lord Murfel writes on Reddit, thoughts on an AHL Calder Cup winner versus Memorial Cup winner? I think it'd be a fun exhibition game, but those guys play a lot of hockey. I mean, it's a lot. You got the AHL playoffs

and you got the OHL Cup and the Wayne Gretzky thing and then you got to go to the Memorial Cup. The Calder Cup champion kills the Memorial Cup champion 10 times out of 10. Because some are filled with grown-ass men. Yeah, there are.

18, 19 years old. Yeah. I mean, I get it, but I think... Every Memorial Cup team has a few players who will come nowhere near the NHL. I think what the NHL... It's just how it works. I think what hockey needs is events,

great events, but to make the events that they already have greater. I think we need to step away from doing the new and start improving on what we have because we have too many events, too many things. Do you want to make hockey great again? I want to make hockey great again.

You should make those shirts. You know... That would be very bold. Never mind. be very bold. I don't think so. What I was about to say is there's all these make-blank-great-again jokes, and they were

funny for a while, and now I'm like, yo, this fucking guy might get elected. Yeah, exactly. Vote for Trump. Official stance of the Steven Engel podcast. Uh, fuck that. Fuck that. Alright, Jesse, last question. Which NHL

team is in the most trouble for the future? Adam and steve you're probably expecting me to say vancouver canucks and the answer is no um they got youth yeah i think they're in trouble for the next couple years but i don't think they're it's got to be a team that's in decline cap trouble and doesn't get it well doesn't get it cap uh cap trouble decline and they don't really have all that much youth like the kings are still a pretty good team they ran into sharks in round one they got some really good parts

they are in a little bit of trouble I think the Rangers are I think the Rangers are in some trouble Rangers are in a bit of a pickle I don't think that they're I don't think it's I mean not raising the white flag

fire everyone but if they don't make some smart moves this offseason they could be in big trouble I mean you got you got a lot of contracts on that team and especially Dan Girardi's

and no offense to Dan Girardi but and a team with with Henrik Lundqvist, who is aging. Okay, so now you've lost Stahl, and Nash is older, and St. Louis retired,

and there's a lot. There's a lot. That's rough. That's a rough situation. I was going to say Minnesota. They've got a couple young parts, but... You're right. Gosh, not a lot of picks.

I'm not really sure what's in their system. Cap trouble. Lots, lots of money committed. Parise and Suter for the rest of our lives. our lives yes like we'll be our kids will be in high school

by the time those guys contracts run out it's that that long so those are my two teams right now those are my two teams right now

like Montreal I think is like a I still say they're one decision away from being a little bit better yeah they just won't make it

no they just won't do it who wins the Raps game tonight oh the Cavs Raptors I

you know what Blind Faith. I'm a Toronto fan. I don't think it's going to be all game one. And if they win one game all series, I hope it's in Toronto. Amazing. Gentlemen, we're going to wrap it for this week. Next week, we'll do more of the same.

I have no Jesus for you. But thank you so much for listening to the Steve Dangle Podcast. Any last words? Yes. There won't be an MFR video for game one or two of the Marley's Bears series because I'm a groomsman in my buddy's wedding, And I have to poison the groom There you go

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