The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - May 9, 2017 - Bim Jenning

Episode Date: May 9, 2017

On this episode, the guys yell all things Crobsy, controversies, Leafs somehow, Kovalchuk, Oilers, Preds, school names, and french fries. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

well uh the crosby stuff really sucked the fun out of the caps pen series didn't it oh like this series now it's just like uh this is exactly what i was dreading when nazem kadri to make it about the leafs because i'm obligated to this is exactly what i was Reading when Nassim Khadri hit, well, let's call it what it was, he kind of low-bridged Alex Ovechkin. When Ovechkin had the, what was it, the extended knee? Hyper-extended knee. It didn't look good.

No, but he didn't have a hyper-extended knee. People just assumed he did. No, but isn't it when it goes past straight, isn't that called hyper-extending? To the medical professionals listening, back me up on this. If you have a hyper-extended knee, you're not coming back 10 minutes later. Okay. Messed up knee. You could be messed up.

You could twist it. You could train it. Kadri hit him and his knee went into a messed up position. In my medical expertise. And I was just like, oh my god. Because the series was so close. Like, imagine the Caps play all those games. I forget what game that happened in.

They play all those games. And they don't have Ovechkin. And the Leafs beat them. Doesn't that take some of the Takes the wind out of the sails there Fuck em Leafs win Yeah

Well Jesse does not win A lot of people would be like Fuck em Leafs win Because That's just what Hockey is And sometimes you get hurt

We won so sad I know But people would be like But I'd send em flowers You had to take out Ovechkin to do it True You're right

I'm being belligerent No no I know I know But now imagine Caps come back Not just win the series, but they come back from a 3-1 series deficit. I don't know, man. It's so funny.

It's not funny, but it's interesting to see the fallout from this. Because even breakfast television, when we do that show, it is top-line news. It's what's happening in every sector. So the things that are top-line news are what makes it, but you don't go really kind of deep into things like we do here. And most of the time Even when the Leafs are winning It's not necessarily the top story of the day

Crosby's concussion Was one of the top stories today It was top yesterday Before the hit Crosby's smashing into the boards Right He didn't have a concussion Is it fair to say

Is it fair To not want to have an opinion On this like everybody's taking sides yeah is it okay to not to just go

I'm gonna step back and go I don't know I cause I don't know oh like what happened to him well yeah I don't know

here's what I know a concussion is when your brain hits your skull what happens or what would cause that to happen like vicious momentum

and your head slamming into something blood force trauma and I just watch that play and I'm not saying that's what happened but I go oh

That looks I mean When you see that play And then they freeze it They Ron Howard So that's me Bet you're wondering how I got into this position What do you think the next part of that clip is?

He has a concussion Like that's what I would assume But he got up and stayed in the game I don't know dude And it was said They were tweeting about I think it was the second intermission They were saying he was going to be out for the second period

Or first intermission He was going to be out for the second period And all of a sudden he's on the ice Listen, the reason I don't want to have an opinion on this is because there's two things I don't want to believe. Okay. Number one, I don't want to believe that Sidney Crosby could be, and forgive me for my innocence on this one,

I don't want to think that he would be that negligent with his health. I don't. He's a hockey player. I get it. I get it. But I don't want to think that. Yeah. Okay.

This is what, and we'll get to the concussion spotters, this is why we have them. Professional athletes are maniacs. They're lunatics. They will play with the... How many players admittedly play with broken bones? Eric Carlson is currently playing with a broken foot. Alex Steen blocks shots with a broken leg. Doesn't Joe Thornton have a hernia or something like that?

He played with like a torn ACL, MCL, something like that. I didn't know you could walk with that. you unless a doctor tells them not to they're gonna play and if they pull themselves out if they have the audacity to be like you know what i'm not feeling right people go oh they're soft james reimer for example you know oh he cannot and will not play hurt well maybe he shouldn't maybe he shouldn't maybe thornton shouldn't maybe steen shouldn't and that's that's the changing of generations because in our parents generation our grandparents generation that's Just what you did.

Because you're a man. Well, okay, Tyler Johnson had that magical run when the Lightning made it to the Stanley Cup Final 2014 or 15. 14? Doesn't matter. One of those seasons where they made it all the way to the Stanley Cup Final had that magical run, was useless in the Stanley Cup Final because he had, I think it was a broken wrist.

You know what's important in hockey? Shooting the puck. I hadn't noticed that. Are you sure? Yeah, and stickhandle. Like, you can't tell me. like okay who was the backup center that the lightning had is he better than tyler johnson no is he better than tyler johnson with a broken wrist i'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe a

little you know would it have been more responsible would the lightning have potentially won a stanley cup if that guy didn't play with a broken wrist we only hear about the heroic ones on the winning team yeah bob bond scoring a goal with his leg frozen and broken it was one of the most magical moments in leaves history and it was stupid it was so stupid and it was the 60s it was 1960 yeah and and those and you have to remember in that generation that they had 20 years before just finished world war ii and the korean war so they smoked a cigarette it'll take the pain right away broken leg oh that's tough i got shot once like and that was a regular thing so i can understand in that era why people acted that way and were that way yeah but with the with the medical

research we have now and the long-term studies that have been done i do find it i do even even now i don't want to believe after sydney crosby missed what was it 2012 he missed like 50 games or something i think the hit was in 2011 2011 he missed so much time he knows he knows all of the bad things that could happen i don't want to believe he was that negligent and i also don't want to believe that the nhl are being negligent with their concussion spotters now they did release a statement as to why they didn't pull him out of the game. I don't want to believe the NHL... Listen,

you can argue, and rightly so, I think there's a fair argument to be made that the NHL of old maybe didn't take these things as seriously. But now, with a potential class action lawsuit going into the courts, you would think, we better watch our butts, right? Can you read the moronic

thing they sent out, though? Okay, let me pull it up here. Yeah. And I also think I interrupted you. You're like, First thing of two. Well, that was the second thing. It was the Crosby and the NHL. First thing of two. First thing of two.

And I'm like, you know what? Guess what? Here's the story. All right. So here's what, this is what Greg Wyshynski actually tweeted. So I'm going to read the statement verbatim. Cool. The National Hockey League announced today that the implementation of a number of new policies and procedures to enhance the NHL, NHLPA concussion protocol.

They announced these today. I don't know. These were not announced today, but this is what... Sorry, Greg is highlighting a specific statement. This is when the protocols were actually announced. Okay, then we should read the USA. Yeah, do you have it? I have that too.

Okay, good, good, good. I have that too. Players who require evaluation under the NHL NHLPA concussion protocol will be... There's a new staff of Central League spotters will monitor all games from the player safety room in New York and will be authorized to require a player's removal from play for evaluation for concussion if the player exhibits certain visible signs under the protocol following a direct or indirect blow to the head. Now, what Greg said was we're going to need some clarification

on look for head contact. Jesse, since you have it open, USA Today, what did they actually say regarding Crosby? Bill Dilley, Deputy Commissioner, said, depending on the mechanism of injury, slow to get up does not trigger mandatory removal. The protocol has to be interpreted literally to mandate a removal. ICE, as compared to boards, is in there for a reason.

It's the result of a study on our actual experiences over a number of years. ICE has been found to be a predictor of concussions. Boards has not been. I would love to see that research. There you go. There's simply no way. There's simply no way. I'm a facts guy.

I'm a science guy. If there's facts and science behind that, I would love to see it. Hitting your head off the boards, not as bad as hitting your head off the ice. When McSorley hit Brashear in the head with a stick, was it a fiberglass stick? Carbon fiber stick? It was a stick. Oh, that's a great question. I don't know.

And then his head bounced off the ice. Yeah, there was ice in the balls. Yeah. Oh, okay. The stick merely threw him off balance. it was the ice you see I just I don't want to believe

we're going to be robbed of the greatest player of all time I don't want to believe that two parties here are being this negligent I just don't want to believe it you might have to

I know I might have to think about that think about the gravity of that it's his body, it's his brain, it's his career It's his life He can do with it Whatever he wants He's just doing his job

There are Mechanisms in place There are Things in place To prevent him From From Himself

To save him from himself Hey Maybe He comes out In game seven And Him and Ovechkin Have dueling hat tricks again

And Crosby scores his Fourth of the game In overtime Wins the series No, I hope they lose so he gets to go home and sit in the dark and let his head recover. What if he doesn't need to do that? We're not doctors.

We don't know. Okay. We don't know. Okay. The CEO of the Concussion Legacy Foundation responded to Bill Daley's statement and said, I agree, is what he said. Right? Right?

It must be it. He said, it's a poorly written statement that should be amended before the puck is even dropped in another NHL game. Any head contact is a possible mechanism of injury. I can't believe I have to say that in 2017. My friend Derek and I were tubing once, and it was behind a boat, and it was at my cottage, and Derek's had multiple concussions from snowboarding, and he would admit that.

One of the last concussions he had was from a choppy lake, and our two tubes came together, and he hit the side of his head off the top of mine. Continued tubing. I can't believe I've never done that with him, by the way. well you know why we haven't because I usually fall off and he stays on so because we're both

we're both like you will pry this tube from my cold dead fingers when we're on the tubes it happened and it's funny because he went home he seemed okay and then the next day his parents were like we gotta take him to the doctor and he was out the rest of the week

I think with a concussion and you know it is I think it is very irresponsible to make the claim that your research doesn't support

a fiberglass board that's at least, what, two inches thick? Supported by metal beams riveted to the floor. Riveted to a concrete floor. Well, did Crosby even hit the glass? He hit the bottom of the board. He hit the yellow part, I thought.

Yeah, the yellow part's, oh, that's still fiberglass, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, but it's thick. It's not better. Oh, no, no, like, like, I mean, there's given those boards, but it's not given for a head. Help me, do you guys remember this? Okay, so during Crosby's recovery, the first time, first really, really bad time, which, by the way, was a questionable hit to head, the head against the Washington Capitals, followed a few games later by crashing into the end boards.

Sound familiar? It should. He suffered a setback in his recovery Because It wasn't just a concussion issue It was a neck injury Am I remembering Crosby Or am I remembering Reimer I don't remember or is it both

Might be both because Reimer did have a neck injury I think it was Crosby as well When I watched the replay Because again I'm watching it again to see how hard his head slams And I'm like holy shit his neck How did he break his neck He's lucky And what about his knee?

I didn't even see his knee. No, his knee from the original Niskanen play. Oh, yeah. Has that even recovered? Or is he just playing through that as well? I don't know. The Capitals are putting a beating on him this series, man. Yeah.

So, we... We're going to be robbed of the greatest player of all time. And I say of all time because, I mean, Wayne Gretzky and Bobby Orr were magical and everything, but they were magical 30 years ago. 20 years ago. Sidney Crosby is the $6 million man, whatever. He is new technology.

He is new everything. If you magically plunk him in a time machine into the 80s, first of all, someone would chop him in the hands with a wooden stick and he would be done after a game. But he would demolish the league. He's the best hockey player of all time. If he's the best hockey player today, he's the best hockey player of all time, and we're about to be robbed of him.

That's my fear. I like that argument in basketball, too, because if you plunk like Corey Joseph in the 1970s, you'll score 100 points a game. Sports aren't the same anymore, just with technology. Well, they used to wear Converse shoes. They used to wear Converse high tops as those were basketball shoes. Those were terrible for you.

I'm wearing them now. I shouldn't be wearing them. They're bad for you. Except for the new insoles, which are amazing. You ever just stare at LeBron James a little too long and just go, oh my god I'm the same as him, we're the same

species, how? but we're not the same it's like Shaq and Danny DeVito one of us is like, hi guys, I have a blog Shaq and Danny DeVito? no, no, it's an actual theory have you ever heard of this? yeah, you bring it up all the time

I'm sorry but it's true, you get this guy I haven't been here for every show that we've done I can't remember that It's like every three weeks we go through this. You guys. No, it's like, you asked recently. What was the question you asked us recently about 10, I think it was $10 million in five years?

Oh, I said if you had quit all your jobs and your only job was to make it into the NHL and you got $10 million in access to every top doctor and coach in the world, could you make the NHL in five years? No, you could not make the, nobody in this room I could You might have the physique Like you might be tall enough, there's no way There's no way

First off, we're almost 30 So there's no way My neck hurts at this very moment The other thing is I'm sitting in a chair recording I'm uncomfortable now In this setting There are things you learn when you're 5

And ways you learn when you're 5 That you can't learn when you're 15 that you can't learn when you're 25. It's just the way your brain develops. So your hand-eye would never be there. Your speed would never be there. Your muscle wouldn't develop in the right way. I mean, your muscles developed.

When you hear about how Conor McDavid made the NHL, started skating at, I don't know, six months, and he's been going to, he grew up in money, and he went to all the best hockey schools and best skating schools. Those stories, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. It makes sense that he was amazing. And Gretzky, I think, learned to skate

when he was like two and a half, three years old. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. When I hear something, and I bring him up again, because he's the first one that comes to mind, James Reimer didn't take up organized hockey until he was 12? What? How is that possible? Isn't it Joe Mullen, who was one of the top American scorers ever,

played for the Penguins, and that's why you haven't heard of him, because he was behind Mario and Jager, but he didn't start playing until he was 13 or 14. That's incredible. And was, for a while, the top American scorer ever. There was a guy, I can't remember his name, but I covered him when I wrote for Junior Hockey Magazine. He played in the WHL. He didn't play ice hockey.

Ice hockey. Until he was 14. He just played roller hockey. He made it to the highest level of junior hockey that you can play in with two years experience. How the hell do you do that? You're just a freak, man. You're a freak. That's unbelievable.

that's unbelievable to me in which is this related to the Crosby discussion I don't know not really no but it's okay

it was a fun tangent it was so here's if we took you from the time you were 14 and we're just like okay now

be LeBron we just threw time and resources at you until no it wouldn't work LeBron it wouldn't yes LeBron

Dangle James wouldn't work wouldn't work I wouldn't even be Raphael Arujo. I wouldn't even be Raphael Arujo. You have to remember, Raphael Arujo is a great basketball player, just not in the NBA. He's still one of the top players to ever play basketball.

Ever. Top 1% ever in human history. Ryan Hallweg. As is Colton Orr in hockey. So I remember one of the first press passes I ever got, it was for the Marlies, and the Leafs had sent Ryan Hallweg down to the Marlies by then. And he had a really good offensive game. It was like two goals and an assist.

And I was like Holy smokes Ryan Holwig And I was like So what was behind That offensive breakout Or whatever I was like 20

And he's like Well I mean I know how to score I scored a lot in junior I looked at his stats And went Oh my god He did

What's the gap What's the gap Wade Belak Was like a 5th overall pick 12th 12th Whatever And he was a huge scorer

Huge scorer in junior Yep Tom Sestito Had a 40 goal season In the OHL Again, the highest Can't do better than that And now he's Tom Sestito

Back to the Crosby thing for a second The thing that bothers me the most About all this Is the interviews after the game Mike Sullivan says Crosby didn't do Concussion protocol Crosby says he did Line your stories up

He said he did some testing He didn't necessarily say what kind He said he got the wind knocked out of him Which, I mean, again, I'm not a doctor But I'm like, I've had the wind knocked out of me before It wasn't when I hit my head I don't know I mean, he hit more than his head

I'll give him that Here's the unpopular opinion We don't know Everybody's making these assumptions Anybody that tells you that they know 100% for sure That Crosby got a concussion last night We know he got one earlier in the series We know that makes him

Very much more susceptible now We know that But we do not know 100% that he got a concussion last night And I think that is an important distinction to make There's a lot of people on their soapboxes this morning And this afternoon, whenever you listen to this Or this evening Who are on Twitter and telling you

Well, this and this and this and this I am sorry, they don't know that for sure And you can't just make that assumption that he did get a concussion You can't I mean, is it a fair estimation? Sure but you can't pass judgment

unless you know for sure and nobody does and he took a second to get up I mean there's a difference between taking a second to get up

and like Sammy Kapanen in 2004 or like Ron Francis getting decked by Scott Stevens or Paul Correa just being flat on his back

I saw a tweet last night that really bothered me and it was somebody making this assumption we can make a podcast tweets that bother me we should you shouldn't let

Twitter bother you this bothered me and it wasn't at me, it was just somebody said I have post-concussion syndrome and I have these effects and Crosby will too no not necessarily, there's lots of people

again, same friend, five concussions I think, my friend Derek no post-concussion syndrome well yeah, but I mean there are very severe factors and this guy was probably mentioning those, the ones that we've heard over and over and over again, you don't know

that. Stop making that assumption. That bothers me. Adam, do you have an arm? Yes. I broke my arm once, and because I broke my arm and you also have an arm, that means you're going to break your arm. In the same way. In the exact same way. And my body's going to react the exact same way yours did. Yeah, because

we both have arms. Even though the person who tweeted that at you, their statement is not... They didn't tweet it at me. It was tweeted. Okay, well, they tweeted it. Even though they tweeted it, and the statement wasn't necessarily true, I think it comes from a place of concern. And anxiety.

They don't want him to go through what they went through. They probably went through misery. Yes, and I don't doubt that, and I don't want to take that away. I'm not trying to diminish that message, but I also want to keep everybody a little bit in check here because there are some people, especially on Hockey Twitter, who are going off a little too far off the deep end without the facts, without the actual information.

It's one thing to do hypothetical trades. That's fine. Whatever. Oh, this person might get picked up in the expansion draft Whatever No one gets hurt No one gets hurt That used to really bother me

And I'm like, who does this actually affect? No one That's why we do hypotheticals Because they're fun Yeah But this is not fun Call the chef for cappin' and would you do it? I think that should be the next 20 minutes

Somebody was speculating What? Somebody was speculating that there are Tell me why I'm wrong There was either an NFL or an NHL GM No, NFL or NBA GM Who apparently, there was like an unnamed source That said that there are NBA or NFL GMs

That go on the boards and go I'm random user What do you think of this trade? To test their fan bases No way! Yes I love that I think it was third period

Well, Platinum Seats, Ghosts, third period suits And Jeff Viet And a few other people talking about it And they said, you know, I could see I could see an NHL GM doing this And I tweeted back at them and said Listen, I could see it But I would be more surprised that any of the NHL GMs

Given their age Would even know what red it is And how conservative this sport is NBA GMs, NFL GMs tend to be a little bit younger How do you do, fellow HF board users? I would like to know the rules This is from Bim Jenning

Stave Dodis Dongle so I don't know I thought that was like Stefan Glein sorry

with some of the trades that are proposed on the hockey on the hockey boards I hope that they stay off those boards because they're scary there was one I saw

last week with it had Tanev coming to the Leafs Van Riemsdyk to the Hawks and literally every pick

and prospect ever going to Vancouver somehow and it was clearly by a Vancouver fan who wants all the picks and prospects which I get

I see those sorts of proposals often And I'm like, when was the last time you saw a three-way trade? All you need to do is stop and think to myself, hmm, oh, like the 90s? Why would that happen? I hope it does. By the way, Chicago to afford Van Riemsdyk would have to, I think, clear at least $3 million from their cap. So that's trading their entire third or fourth line.

I saw what you're talking about. The cost was like, what did the Leafs get? Chris Tannev, that was it. And the cost was like First to three seconds First Brandon Leipzig Connor Carrick

I'm like are you on drugs Are you on drugs It was Connor Carrick That's right And Chicago has to be allowed To play with 12 guys Yes On their entire run

Somehow Just to fit their zone Yeah Duncan Keith Stan Bowman has to play Right wing Duncan Keith wins the Selkie Next year What the hell are you doing

Yeah It's Corey Crawford and Nett And hopefully he doesn't get hurt I'm pretty sure Next up is I'm pretty sure that's Chicago's plan anyway Pretty sure it's Montreal's plan

Well every year Like I mean they basically have to Sign a goalie for minimum and hopefully He's Scott Darling Man who is now Carolina Hurd Good pick up by Carolina I think so That contract

Is something there's always a leap of faith A certain leap of faith You take when you take a really good backup, and you pay them like a starter. Teams often get bit. Well, look at Dallas. Perfect example. They have two backups, they're paying like starters.

The Leafs for a very long time. Yeah, absolutely. I think there's something I wanted to talk about with contracts before we talk about Zaitsev and John Traveris and a few other contract things that have come up. We also want to talk about the Preds too. I know there's a lot of Preds fans going,

you're not talking about us enough! Trust me, we will. And the Oilers winning 7-1. Yeah, that too. Touchdown. I just want to bring this up quickly and we'll get to those. Every contract is going to

have people that support it and people who don't. Yes. What's hilarious to me is every time a contract is signed, there is either one side or the other side. Zaitsev is a perfect example. It's a disaster.

Or it's fantastic. or sometimes it's just a compromise. Sometimes it's just you met in the middle and I don't think enough is given to that perspective. Do I think Zaitsev's contract was a steal and amazing? No, but I also don't think that ripping off Zaitsev for the next seven years is a great thing because he's going to resent the city

and he's going to resent the organization. That's what happens, right? It's what happens to you if you're underpaid. Does Kucherov get as grumpy in the media if he's making more than four million bucks? especially given what Alex Killorn's making yeah which is only slightly less than him

what if Kudrow was paid like Tarasenko which he probably should be it's probably good probably not nearly as grumpy so I think you have to take that into account because if you rip a guy off let's say you straight up rip a guy off

do you think that guy's not going to be pissed off he's going to be pissed off I'm trying to think of contracts in the league of guys who are obviously getting ripped off JVR You know what I saw? Well, I don't know about ripped off, but he's not making as much as he could. Yeah, all right, maybe.

Like, he's, that guy, JVR could be. He's still handsomely paid, though. If Kyle Ocpozo was a $7 million player. Right. Okay, that's fair enough. You know what I saw recently? I saw someone say Dallas should do whatever they can do. They should do whatever it takes to get Antti Ranta out of New York.

Out of the Rangers And I looked at his numbers And I went Yeah Yeah Dallas should And then I looked at his contract For the next two years He's gonna make a million dollars

Yeah New York's not trading that New York Would be on drugs To trade Antti Ranta Unless you're getting Something amazing back Yeah a goalie like Antti Ranta Or

Yeah because that's your future goalie Because Henrik Lundqvist is old Do you think you'd ever sit out To try and get a new contract? Because it happens all the time In the NFL Where a player's unhappy with the contract

so they just don't play until they get a new deal. Well, there is precedence for that. Yashin did it. That was a long time ago. It was a long time ago, but he came back and the NHL said,

well, you still owe the Senators. So he had to play another year in Ottawa and then they traded him. Trying to remember that. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, like, he played a great year in Ottawa,

but he got stripped of the captaincy. Everybody hated him. He was killer, but he was, it was still, it's, I think the difference

with the NFL is that first off, that doesn't happen as much anymore. The second thing is those contracts aren't guaranteed, mostly. There's only like half the money. I mean, the ratio of team-screwing players to players-screwing the teams.

Yeah. Like, the NFL straight-up screws guys. Like, oh, I'm sorry. You got injured? Yeah, I'm sorry. Oh, that's terrible. We're a small market club. We have to let you go. Yeah, well, goodbye. Hey, there, old crunchy leg.

How about you go home? Yeah. Hey there, crunchy leg. Has anybody ever called anyone crunchy leg? I don't know. That kind of grossed me out. I'm not going to lie. Hey there, Rice Krispies leg there, Snapcrackle popping.

How about you, Snapcrackle? I'm uncomfortable with this. It's making me uncomfortable. It's, wow. So cross. You know what should make you more uncomfortable? Taking millions of dollars away from an injured person. Hey, Steve, it's not business.

I mean, it's not personal. It's business. Oh, right. So anyway, let's go to Edmonton Let's talk about our fine, fair Edmonton friends Holy shit Where did that come from? That's a good question

I don't know I mean, that was great It's all small sample size Very teeny tiny small sample size But I watched that game And I'm just like, okay One, Edmonton could win the Cup Yeah

Two The Ducks suck How did they win Three games this year Here's the thing What I saw there Was the future Of both franchises

Yeah And the Ducks Could just as easily Win the series And the Cup For sure Here's the thing The Ducks have

Great defense But they've got Getzlaff who's still dominant Perry who Sure didn't play like it This year And Ryan Kessler Who's still Ryan Kessler

But how long He looked like he wanted To murder somebody They have defense In two lines Because their third And fourth lines Aren't doing anything

Well Randy doesn't Play this Yeah he doesn't He doesn't care. He's still got like Cogliano. But they're not playing. I had a really funny conversation with Mrs. Dangle while watching that game because we were watching that game together.

And so they take out Gibson and they put Bernier in. And I start telling her about the whole second round pick thing and how, you know, what if the Ducks make it to the Stanley Cup final? And they decide to play Bernier. That'd be great. Yeah, well, and I'm explaining this whole thing to her. And she's like, yeah, but all the Ducks have to do is just not play Bernier. And I'm like, Carlisle's their coach

He's like, yeah, but why would he do that? I'm like, because Carlisle's their coach He did it with Peter Holland All the Leafs owed the Ducks was the third It was a conditional pick And he was playing Jared Smith's in all the time anyway Yeah, and the condition was very clear If Holland plays over X amount of games

It's a second, not a third So Carlisle proceeded to play him Like five minutes a game For over a dozen games Scratch him Yamelin What are you doing? And why

How doesn't Dave Nona Say something? Yamelin's a player For the Yamelin Ads by the way Scratch him What are you doing?

And then Here you go Here you go Oh yeah Just hand it over It's great Oh my god I'm cheering for the Ducks

For the pick But I'm cheering for Edmonton For the fans Whoa I want I want I mean, I still, I know they've been insufferable on Twitter. I get it.

Twitter's an insufferable place, period, now. But I do, because I feel so much kindred spirit with them, with Edmonton. Like, if you're at least an Oilers fan, you're the same right now. Except no. Yeah, I've always felt accepted with open arms by the Oilers fan base. Didn't you write a, yeah, you wrote a trade tree. Oh, a Chris Pronger trade tree. Chris Pronger.

Well, and so many people were like, why would you write this? It's a painful memory. I'm like, well, if you read the thing, I note that the Oilers actually didn't do so bad. In a trade where everyone says they did really bad, I'm like, no, they didn't. You big bunch of jerks. And then the next day, I woke up the next morning after the Ducks came back. And I was like, who choked worse? The 2013 Leafs or the 2017 Oilers in Game 5.

And let me tell you I have never giggled more Writing something Because people are like Oh you're getting it flamed I'm like I would have got flamed If I wrote an article called

Why the Oilers are the best Yeah We don't need your Toronto Might be the most red thing I've ever done I'm not proud of it But I don't give a shit

Wow That is an obscene gesture friend How often can you Just have someone be a dick to you Yeah Constantly Like okay I'm thinking

Okay who do I want to win the cup Alright, well All these fans are kind of mean to me So they're out Preds, man Preds Ducks, no You're out

Preds God Subban winning Yeah But Oh, they just have some revolting people In that organization But Subban winning

Oh, just be so good Who's the revolting? What don't you like about the Preds? The Ribeiro thing Some of the shit Mike Fisher said Whatever Now, who else do we have left? I haven't paid much attention to this.

I know all that happens. The Sens, there's some guys you can cheer for on the Sens, but there's no way I'm ever going to cheer for them. Rangers? Maybe. Pens? Yes. Well, yeah, but they won last year.

Well, so what? So, yeah. Well, and now they're the rating champions and an underdog, almost, because of all the injuries they've incurred. And then the Caps, who are this team I could get behind, and after the series I'm like I don't know

you're not the cute cuddly thing I thought you were anymore so now we're down to P.K. Subban alone

and the Rangers maybe no I can't cheer for the Rangers I can't for some why can't I cheer for the Rangers

by the way I don't you know what is it about them that I can't get behind you had a theory about Alexander Ovechkin years ago

about why people don't like him and you said the same thing about Dion Phaneuf You call it the punchable face theory No, no, it wasn't Ovechkin, it was Crosby It was Crosby It's just his face Some people are like, I don't like your face

Sometimes you're like with the Rangers Sometimes I just don't like your face I don't like it Also, the Leafs get blown out every time they're walking into New York And I don't like that either So I'm a little upset about it So I'm cheering for There's no team I even want to win the Cup

It's just P.K. Subban And Ryan Ellis I am definitely cheering for the Preds By the way, Jesse and I are four wins away from the Stanley Cup Finals Yeah, what the hell? four wins away from the Stanley Cup finals. And what do I do?

Just sit here like a lemon? Yep. Like we did last year when you went to Pittsburgh. No, it was, I mean, listen, man, I don't begrudge you that,

but we have a listener who kindly offered in October to buy us tickets to the Predators, Predators Stanley Cup game. One of them. So,

that'll happen. He also buys our plane ticket. Wouldn't that be nice? That's going to be expensive. Well, see, when I went to Pittsburgh, I had to pay for the plane ticket.

We're not you I'm paying for the plane ticket And the hotel Slash Airbnb Whatever it is I'm doing that I could not ask for more than that That's obnoxious

One thing I forgot to bring up About the Washington series If Washington beats the Caps St. Louis gets a second round pick Washington beats the Caps You should work for ESPN Washington beats for the Penguins Washington does beat the Caps

Every year actually That's true A self-defeating team Well Ask their fans There's a second round pick on the line in the series. Why is that? For the Shattenkirk trade.

St. Louis gets a second round pick if Washington advances to the Eastern Conference finals. Full props. Full kudos to the St. Louis Blues as well. The Blues won the deadline. Yeah. They made it to game six of the second round after giving up the biggest fish available. They win. It's incredible.

They win. Tampa's second, but they win. It's possible Kevin Shattenkirk only makes it one game further than the Blues did. That's incredible. Considering everything the Bulls have. And I'm sure he'll manage his temper wisely. Oh, yeah. Should that be the case.

Boy, just, just dumping. He's playing third pair, man. He is, it's almost like he's in a police chase and he's just throwing money and evidence out the window. It's a little scary. I don't know. I mean, he's not all that bad. There was a great clip I saw.

It was really funny. It didn't lead to an Ovechkin goal, but there was a pass to the Ovechkin spot. and Ovechkin got it because that's what Alex Ovechkin does and Shattenkirk's behind it

he's right behind Ovechkin because he's like alright this pass is coming to me you're in the Ovechkin spot poor guy Alex Ovechkin's

standing there that's his thing it used to be the Shattenkirk spot get out of there no not anymore beat it that's Alex Ovechkin

one thing to link the two series it's interesting how the line changes cause the teams to kind of play better because Ovechkin moved down to the third line

and then Burkowski moved up to the first line. Right. And then he scored two goals and had an assist in game six. Burkowski or Ovechkin? Burkowski. Yeah.

And then in the Edmonton series, Dreisaitl moves down to the second line and he's no longer the guy with McDavid gets a hat trick. It makes perfect sense. It's kind of weird

with the storyline. More pucks. Well, it's why the Leafs were so difficult for the Caps to handle because it was just a really nice and balanced attack.

That's why playing like a Nylander-Marner-Matthews line together doesn't make sense. There's not enough puck to go around. Right. What were you going to bring up about the Oilers, Jesse, with regards to Leon Dreisaitl

and Connor McDavid? Watching the game, I just got flashbacks in my head, and I was like, is that Messier and Gretzky out there? Apparently this has been floated. I need to go over this. They've won one playoff series in their entire fucking career.

And people are already making that comparison. I'm going to bring it up and read it to you. I should walk up to Leon Dreisaitl and see if he politely declines an interview. And then we'll know. Tell him about your podcast. Here's a cookie, Leon. Put him on the stamp. Holy smokes, is he good, though?

Yeah. Yeah, he's pretty good at hockey. A little bit good. He's 21. He needed time. Time. Well, he just needed to... Seeing how good Dreisaitl is now.

Is that because he's improved this much Or were the Oilers of a couple years ago Just that bad They were just that bad And he was 19 And he was 19 but they were bad They were pretty bad There's something to be said for you're mentally bad too

Like the Avalanche were mentally bad On paper no Yeah exactly there's no way they were What a 47 point team They're way better than that any team that's got McKinnis McKinnon

Lannisgog Barry Simeon Varlamov like they're they're better than that they hit like American Thanksgiving and tapped out

like that was it that was it they're done yeah this is one line from the

Edmonton Sun oh no they are for anybody that's not in Canada if you're not following every Edmonton writer you're missing out

it's great they're the best they don't know what to do with themselves it's like a dog with a squirrel It's like, uh, uh, uh. And like, what do I do?

I'm not trying to dump on them because I met some of these guys and they're nice people. But is there any market where the media so obviously just openly cheers for the team that they cover? Yeah. More than Edmonton? No, I don't think so. Now, Edmonton would say that about Toronto, but I will tell you this. You're false. No, our media actively hates the team.

Yeah. Like, they hate it. Montreal, same thing. They hate it. And even if you make the argument that the media here are Leafs fans, that's why they hate the team. Yeah, and if the Leafs ever won, like I always say, Steve Simmons' first article the next morning would be

why the Leafs won't repeat. That would be his first article to headline. It seems like all the media does here is poke holes into the team and be like, hey, this is what you're meant to do. Sort of their job, which is fine, but they're not homers. Yeah, they're not this. For sure, it's all Connor all the time for Oilers Nation. But in some ways, Dreisaitl is Marc Messier to McDavid's Wayne Gretzky.

Did that happen in Toronto this year? No. I think it did. To who? Now, I'm trying to think of who was who. Because you know what? The Leafs, they don't have a Marc Messier-Wayne Gretzky tandem to look back at. No, we don't.

We don't have, we don't really, like, the reason, there's so many reasons. And if you're not from Toronto It's harder to understand But imagine You have a city With a rich sports history And no superstars Yeah like

Daryl Sittler Like your golden state Before Steph Curry He was like another thing Yeah But he didn't win a cup With the Leafs So if you look back

At all the cups The Leafs ever won Like who was the biggest star Like the biggest league wide star Frank Mohavlich Probably Frank Mohavlich And that's it Wasn't George Armstrong

They almost gave Frank Mahavlige away over a poker game, by the way. Do you know that? I believe it. Harold Ballard was drunk, and then he, I guess, agreed to sell him to the Blackhawks. And then the next morning, I think it was the Kahn-Smythe family, who also partially owned the Leafs, still at that point, were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's a rumor that something similar to that very almost happened in recent memory to the Leafs. Oh? Oh, I cannot share it on this podcast.

I'll tell you after. Oh, I can't wait for that. I actually have a story, too, that I cannot share on this podcast. You look back and you go, oh, the 60s. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. It happens. Wow.

Jonas Hoagland should have been traded. The fax machine. The fax machine. Have you heard about this story? No. This is a good story. Did he try and contact ESPN? Yes.

He would have had better luck. So what happened? They tried to trade him to the Bruins in exchange for this former third-round pick who just wouldn't sign with the team. and they tried to do it at the draft I think it was trade deadline

one of those anyway and the fax machine broke and they just didn't do it in time so he had to they're like Jonas you've been traded

to the Bruins and he's like oh okay and then oh no sorry you gotta play for us no one just say hey where's another

fax machine that works or pick up the telephone you have to remember in these days it was Bill Waters as the assistant general manager of the Leafs

I think you're right it was Pat Quinn These were not men of recent technology Even for that time And not that they did a bad job The team always was in the second round Let's say the fax machine is the only thing they had to go on

If the thing breaks What are you going to do? You're MLSC, you should have a second one at the office Whoa, whoa now A second fax machine That's crazy, Todd Can you imagine? Let me ask you this

Mid to late 90s Oh, yeah, this is, yeah. No, no, it would have been early 2000s. I don't think Hoagland was even on the team until 2001. Oh, maybe. He was with them when they were bad. Was he? No.

I'm pretty sure. Don't think so. Let's not get into a Jonas Hoagland debate. I was about to Google it. He should have been captain. I was about to Google it, and I'm like, so not worth it. Google it. Don't.

No. I don't want to know. He doesn't deserve that. I want to spend the rest of my life not knowing. Tweet it at Steve and tell him I'm right. No. I want, oh, yeah, go ahead and tell Adam he's right. I'm totally kidding.

Adam deserves it. I do. Throw me this phone. Yeah, as for me, I want to go my whole life not knowing this. Okay. I'm good. I think times were different then. What always astounded me in that era, even as a 12-year-old, was...

In the what? Era! Oh, thank you. As a 12-year-old, was that you couldn't just make the phone call to the league office and go, Hey, there's a fax coming in, but we've made this trade, and we're just pending your approval. Like, you couldn't just do that. You had to fax it to them for them to... Like, if you had, because the thing is, is that you can, if you fax at that point, I don't know if this is still the case, if you faxed in the approval at that point, then they could, they might look at it and go, okay, we can't approve this till after the trade deadline.

However, it would still count because you got it in under the deadline. Instead of just going, hey guys, fax machine issues, but we're, we're, we got to trade with the Bruins. We just need your approval on that. Oh yeah, sure. We can wait a couple hours. No big deal. Like, that's all it would have taken. That's all it would have taken.

No, because if the phone call was made before 3 o'clock, trade still doesn't count. This is why I think it was at the draft, because I think there was a pick coming to the Leafs, but they couldn't get the trade done before they got the pick. Maybe that's what it was. Do we care to check in with Rob Rossi? No. Okay, we'll move on. Pierre Lebrun has said the Leafs probably won't get in on Kovalchuk,

and there was a lot of issues surrounding Ilya Kovalchuk coming back to the NHL that basically playing for anybody that's not named New Jersey is going to be very difficult. For next year. Yes. However, if he waits a year, evidently he'll be an unrestricted free agent. If you are New Jersey. So I want to come back to the NHL, but it's going to be a pain in the ass.

I don't necessarily get to choose who I play for, and I can't play in the Olympics. Oh, oh, let me fall all over myself so I can come back to the NHL. Like, why not just wait? If I'm Kovalchuk, why not just wait? Well, there is the age thing, right? Like, you know, how old are you going to be?

I guess. The other situation that makes... Wow, you think Kovalchuk's 35? Next year he'll be 35. Wow, I didn't know that. Anyway, the thing that seems to make some sense to me is just return to New Jersey, who is still probably not going to be all that good.

and get traded for assets at the deadline to someone who is. Or do a sign-in trade like they do in the NBA. If you're New Jersey, you've got to look at this as free assets, right? Because you're probably rebuilding, right? Well, 100%. You've got the first overall pick, and you finish last in your conference. So why not take this opportunity with Kovalchuk and try to wheel a first, a second, or a third, or a combination of something?

Man, if you get a fourth, and you thought this guy was never returning. Just do it. It's a free fourth. Just do it. I'm not saying that's worth it. You should get more. But I honestly think they should just pull the assets out because you don't, if you're New Jersey,

you don't need Ilya Kovalchuk. You need to rebuild. Like, what is he really going to get you? Is he going to get you closer to a cup? Sure. A lot of people are probably going to throw picks at Vegas. Like, if you're Vegas, can't you just go into your little pick jar and just get Kovalchuk and then at the end of the season

just trade him again for picks? No 2017 picks can be involved. for a goal to jump. Okay, but yeah, but there are also no 2017 picks? No 2017. Here's some 2018 picks.

Yeah, if you're Vegas, you're going to get a lot of picks this year. Yeah. You're going to get a lot of picks. Not all necessarily this year. Yeah. And even if you got them,

let's say every pick Vegas receives is for 2017, you still have a billion picks this year, and then next year can trade one away because what the hell, right? And why not?

You can play with Chibichoff, be the third player in franchise history. Is that his former teammate? Did Chibichoff play on SKA? I think he did. No, he was... Yes, he was.

Yes, he was. I think he was. Why not? That was my concern looking at his numbers. I was like, that guy was on a pretty stacked team. I don't know about expansion team trading draft picks. That's my only thing. They're going to be so bad.

Why are you trading them? But you need to have a marketable start. You need to get butts in seats, right? So Kobolchuk's a butts in seats guy. I'm saying make yourself kind of artificially better for a little bit. You're still not going to make the playoffs at the trade deadline. trade him to someone who is good and recoup some of those picks

if not more yeah because if Kovalchuk comes back think about what it'll cost you so I don't know what it costs but let's say it costs two second round picks right and Kovalchuk comes in and scores 30 goals before the deadline

and doesn't matter how many assists he scores 30 goals before the 25 goals before the deadline you're getting a first and something for him potentially yeah I don't know for a 35 year old yes you are if Martin Hansel

gets you first. Also, why would he come back? Steve's initial point. He wants to. I'm just going through scenarios that work for New Jersey and other teams, but if I'm Ilya Kovachuk, he's got a ton of incentive.

He wants to come back. That's the point, is he's initiating these talks. Well, then I guess he doesn't really give a damn about the Olympics. He's been. Or picking the team he gets to play for. I'm sure he'd get some pick in that Who is going to win the gold medal

At these Olympics and go Yes! We did it! Exactly We overcame all the Unless it's Switzerland Norway Even Sweden Team Israel

Russia is going to be so obviously stacked These Olympics don't count If the NHL doesn't go It's funny that they haven't they still haven't scheduled an all-star game that is interesting

which means they're still in they're like or maybe they're canceling the all-star game because it sucks maybe we did it for the

centennial now get out of here no fun things no Olympics no all-star game no Sidney Crosby past 2017 they should do

you get nothing all the outdoor games I'm all for outdoor games I could care less Chicago still gets six outdoor games They all have to be in Chicago as well In December alone

Do your damn outdoor games All-star games done It's done It's done in every sport Ah, the Chicago Blackhawks Take on the Detroit Red Wings And next week we have The Detroit Red Wings

Taking on the Chicago Blackhawks Oh my god, Edmonton and Calgary again What? Wow Wow We're gonna play In the cute Canadian version of it That basically doesn't count

We're going to have 250,000 people watching this It's rivalry night As the Buffalo Sabres take on the Chicago Blackhawks On NBC What? It's Wednesday, Steve It's rivalry night It's the two biggest markets in the NHL

When it comes to television Please watch this game Please watch it It's rivalry night It's Florida vs. Arizona In a battle of suntan Yeah, really okay

so I'll go live to Alice Cooper in the stands Alice Cooper he sure does wear that makeup oh yeah

and in the Florida stands well they're all the same stands Alice Cooper if I were New Jersey I would want

if you're Kovalchuk if I'm New Jersey I go I'll trade you wherever the hell you want negotiate with any team you want

let's just tell them this is the compensation that we're looking for I mean that's how a trade works that's what I'd say Just open it up Anybody call

Wherever you want to go We'll send you Just tell them that This is the compensation We expect And there's no negotiating I don't know if There's no negotiating

They don't have to There's a few teams That did a little better In the draft lottery Than they thought they would Jersey's one of them You gotta think Yeah but they could

Really use it Philly's an interesting one But I mean What are you gonna do Give up the second overall pick For Ilya Kovalchuk I don't know about that Who's 10th

10th's an interesting pick 10th is a movable pick 9th is a movable pick We saw it move With Vancouver and New Jersey Actually no They can't afford him

I don't know Who has the room For Ilya Kovalchuk This is the He will be an Arizona Coyote I don't think Whether he's playing for them or not 10th is Florida by the way

Oh my dear god That would be scary I would like that They would do it They would do it They're absolutely a very merry unbirthday to you sort of team that would be fun We traded a 43rd round pick what they They're crazy

Their colors match circus, which is perfect. Oh you have a starting goaltender we have to It's true. I have introduced you to our coach GM Here's our GM coach Here's our assistant coach And hot dog vendor It's true I'm very excited about Florida I could see

Florida I could see Another place I randomly could see him Is Minnesota Not that they could afford him But Minnesota always seems to be able to Stuff guys into the cap What about Chicago could use him

What about No No they're not Weeding their way to Ilya Kovalchuk They're going to do it. Whee! No, they're not doing that. They're going to Kovalchuk.

No. No, get them at the deadline then. I want Kovalchuk and Jager to be the best team in 2005. Can you imagine Kovalchuk and Jager? I love when teams do that, by the way. It's not all the time, but every now and then someone assembles the best team in the world six years ago. The New York Knicks this year? Yeah!

They're going to get Lopez and who are they going to get? Mello and Derrick Rose. And I'm like outside of the Raptors Clueless so I looked at that team and went Wow look at that Derek Rose hasn't played a full season In five years They had the 2007 All-Star team

You should have Like one of the first times I went to my now current In-laws place this was in 2007 We're watching a soccer game And I'm like is Filippo Inzaghi still out there And they just looked at me and they're like

We're impressed you know that name and I'm like the last FIFA game I owned was 2001 and they're like well that makes sense that makes sense yep

yep is Alessandro Del Piero still on Juventus I had a Del Piero jersey on Juventus what about Zinedine Zidane Conte um

Islanders are going to offer John Tavares 8 year deal 80 million dollars wow it's going to be great when he accepts less money

to come to the Leafs it's going to be pretty cool And we put him on the wing. I don't think we can afford him. Let's be honest. But it's fun to dream. He would be the highest powered offense in history.

Can we live in that for a moment? What if the Leafs had Tavares? So Matthews, Tavares, Caudry are your top three centers. That is disgusting. Marner, Nylander. Let JVR go because we can't afford him.

So that's five. That's five million gone. That's okay, because... And Bozak will be gone. That's another four million. You just do the Pittsburgh model of loading up your centers, and, I don't know, just get some AHL-er who can skate. Give us a crap.

Like, here you go. He'll make the Olympic team. So then we move Nylander to our fourth center. No, you keep him on the wing. Keep him on the wing. On Tavares' wing or Matthews' wing? I think maybe you just switch it up. See what works best, man.

You got options, right? Who's Who's On the Marlies And just He has a really good shot Josh Levo 30

Future 30 goal scorer Josh Levo You put Josh Levo On the wing Permanently Of any one of those Three guys You're talking about

You show some respect For 30 goal scorer Josh Levo How How many goals Does Zach Hyman have 46

Connor Brown 90 He falls just shy of Gretzky And we write about how he's a bum If that actually happened Oh god You're looking at a team of players Who are thanking the Maple Leafs

For basically making their retirement that much more cushy Because think about that If you're a winger on the Leafs And those are your centers And you can stay in the top 9 All free agents are like, I'll just sign in the West You know, it'd be fun to make it to the Stanley Cup I wonder if it would be possible in the NHL

Ray Allen took way less money He took league minimum League minimum money to go and win with LeBron I don't know if they did win that year But I think they did They lost the first year in the finals They won the second year How much would it take to convince players to do that?

Well, this is the interesting thing So I'm looking at the team And I'm trying to look a few years down the road Guys who I could see being expendable And I love them And I don't want I don't want to think Of the Leafs

Without these guys And this is a big problem With this year's team Is I got really attached Like to almost The entire roster Right? Yeah me too

Because there was something To like about almost everybody Even Polak Now that he's going Or likely gone I'm like aw Yeah me too Me too

I even like Hunwick man I was like impressed With him in the playoffs Impressed Impressed If the Leafs Don't re-sign him They better have someone

Who can replace him They better That's saying something Right? And like yeah Everyone, I'm still like, oh. I look at two RFAs this year who might have to go

because the Leafs might not be able to fit them. This year? No, no, no, no, no, no. Not this year. Oh, eventually. But two, three years down the road. Four, something like that. Zach Hyman, potentially.

Connor Brown. Yep. That guy scored 20 goals. But here's what you do. Here's what you do. And this is what... But, wait. Two hometown boys.

Grew up Leafs fans, happy to be on the Leafs. Happy to be playing on Matthew's wing. Happy to be playing on Kadri's wing. Maybe you just shave it off a little bit, and you know you're gone if you get too expensive. Yeah. How bad do you want to be a Leaf? Well, I think that's the point.

I think that's the point. Not just the old guys. But you look at, okay, so look at Connor Brown in his rookie season got 20 goals. And I think people are going to wait and see with him to see if that's for real. I actually think it is for real. I think he's a 15-25 goal guy. I feel bad for Connor Brown because it's like, how much more does he have to prove? He did it in junior.

I think he was rookie of the year in the AHL or he won the rookie scoring race in the AHL. Had a terrible injury at the beginning of last year. Came back and was still one of the best point-per-game guys on a team with some brilliant ones. But Steve, point-per-game guys don't matter in the AHL. You're right. You're right. Oh, they're a dime a dozen. They're a dime a dozen.

And then he comes to the NHL and he does it again. Mm-hmm. What else you got to do? I think because Connor Brown is measured against the guys that he's measured against on the Leafs, he doesn't look as good. But Connor Brown's a great, great hockey player. He scored 20 goals in his rookie season.

It's amazing. Here's my question is this. If you're the Leafs, are you not looking at this like the Chicago model? If you look at what Connor Brown is doing, this is the thing. Are you not trying to Brandon Sod him? Yeah, this is the thing.

And Chicago's done that several times. If what you're asking for starts with a three... Oh, it's too much. Sorry, buddy. I think Connor Brown's $2 million this offseason. I think Zach Hyman's $1 and $2, $1 and $5. For how long? Not for long.

Two, three years. This is the thing. I know the first thing I'm doing when I get NHL 18. I'm trading for Tavares. Aren't you signing Tavares? Oh, he'll be on the team by then. You won't have to do it. NHL 19.

NHL 19. Because 18's coming this fall. Again, I'm attached to those guys. But let's say... Remember we had the balls to make fun of HF boards? Anyway, so let's say the Leafs get Tavares. By the way, we're saying this with absolutely zero proof that John Tavares would ever want to come here.

Okay, let's say... Let's say... Due to cap restrictions and what you would have to trade and et cetera, et cetera. You get John Tavares, but it costs you JVR Connor Brown And Zach Hyman

All three of them No you should say Like Nylander No I'm not saying in a trade I'm just saying Signing Signing salary wise

Due to you not being able To afford them Like let's say they get them As a free agent Just a free agent JVR is gone Bozak's gone Oh my god

Bozak's so gone Connor Brown's gone And Zach Hyman's gone Just for the sake of argument Those four guys Yes they do it But again Bing bing bing

Matthews Tavares Kadri You put that in whatever order Your little heart desires You know why I do that? Leipzig Kaepernick

Leipzig Kaepernick Renevo Kirby Reichel Yeah Andreas Johnson You just throw one Literally any winger

On the Marlies right now Yeah Future Sign Mike Sislo To an NHL deal Future 30 goal scorer Three times Josh Levo

Oh my god Kirby Reichel Future top 100 player Yes Yeah Josh Levo I uh I sent out

Think of the power play. Well, this was the whole... This was the Stamkos argument the entire time. Yeah. It was, if we sign Stamkos, it'll be more than worth it, because the lineup will just be so powerful. But they were talking about $12 million a year. Yeah.

If you can get Stamkos massive... But think of all the money you saved just throwing ECHLers on his left wing. Let's say, okay, Tavares won't do this. He won't do this. No. No, but he might. But he might not. So let's...

So, when Matthews is up in two years, and Marner's up in two years, are you signing those guys to, you're probably signing those guys to $8 or $9 million if you're lucky, right? No. Matthews, at Matthews, $8. RFA, though. Matthews, maybe. Marner, probably not because of what Jesse just said. They'll be restricted free agents. Both of them are RFAs, right?

And Matthews is a center, so he's worth more. Yeah. He's also the face of your franchise. Yes. But Matthews, you're going to be like, okay, he's 22, and we want to sign him for the next eight years. Because you want to buy his UFA years. So you're thinking $8 million.

I think $8 million over eight years is pretty damn fair. You've got to do what makes sense for you. But I'm just trying to do the math here. So if Matthews is, I'm going to just estimate eight. There's going to be people who go, that's way too much, and there's people who go, way too little. I say eight over eight, pretty solid. If you can get him for that, that's good.

Then you've got Nylander. Eight over eight. 8 over 8 I'd be like do it 1 million a year I'm just being a stickler 8 million a year

over 8 years 64 million dollars what are Marner and Nylander worth are they 6 million a year well this is the interesting thing so Nylander is up

at the is it the end of next year yeah he's the end of it yeah because they burned a year last year which was smart of them

I think well it was but also whatever he gets there's no way Mitch Marner and Auston Matthews look at that number and go, well, I'm getting less than that.

Yeah. Right? So he's the benchmark. So they're going to play hard with him. You hope maybe you buy one UFA year at like four, maybe five. This is, I'm wondering if it would, like, because bridge deals are. Well, based on their plans, based on their plans, a bridge deal might actually make sense,

but they're a little bit more painful. How much was Subban's bridge deal? Oh, my God. It was like $3 million a year. Last, it was $2.9. Yeah. There you go. But he got a $9 million a year deal because of that.

Yeah. He said, okay, it's nine. And then supposedly negotiations came around and they're like, all right, what do you want? And he's like, nine. I told you. They're like, no, we can't afford that. He's like, well, that's a shame because I told you. Two years ago, I told you.

Nine. Why are you shocked? Nine. Give me nine. And he got nine. Because Jeff Molson stepped in. Bergevin wasn't going to do it. He's going to trade him.

And look what happened. He traded him. Uh, so, but to fit all that in, so my point in this is, okay, so say you get Matthews at eight. How many Preds fans are like, oh, they might, oh, no, they're not talking about us yet. So you get, you get Marner and Nylander at five and six a year. On a bridge. Yeah, like how are.

That's a bridge. Is that a bridge? Three years, yeah. Okay. For five. So then we get, and then we get Tavares at eight or nine? Yeah. Ten?

See, now we're getting into numbers here. Like, that's the point. Like, okay, so you're going to have, are you comfortable? and I'm okay with it. Tavares is getting less than Kopitar? I don't think so. Okay, is Matthews getting less than Tavares? He's too young.

Tavares is a UFA. Okay, so he gets 10, then. 10's okay. So 10, and then Kadri's making what? Four and a half? Yeah. Forever. Forever.

Matthews would be making what? Eight? Seven, eight? Something like that. Okay, seven and a half? Sure. So, okay, now you've got... What are we doing?

No, no, but let's just do it. Fifty was at fifth. How much is that? that's what over 20 million dollars invested in your first three centers like 25

yeah yeah but worth it you have the best three centers in the league yeah and you've got your defenseman signed forever

how much is Chicago because Chicago's at two guys at 10 million 13 million at 10 and a half or is it 10 and a half Duncan Keith's at 21

yeah it's 21 for two guys Duncan Keith is signed to an illegal contract but even that is those three guys is 26 million dollars Seabrook's at just shy of 7

so we'll so that's four guys and we're at the same number. And the Leafs guys would be a lot younger when they sign their contracts, right? So there'll be better, chances are, for the entirety of their contracts. And then we already have Gardner, Riley, Kadri locked up.

And then here comes the Marlies. And Zaitsev. Here come the Marlies. There you go. Who else ought to do that? That's why you have to have good scouting because then when Connor Brown goes up, Zach Hyman goes up,

then you're pulling assets back in. So this is the thing. You trade them to Western Conference contenders. You're pulling assets back in and you continue to draft well. Yeah, it's just... Hey, Connor. Hey, Zach.

Come be part of something special. Come on. Come on. Yeah, if it starts with a three... See, but that's my question. Would you be able to convince John Tavares to take less money to play at home, play with Austin Matthews?

No, if I'm Tavares, I go... No, Tavares is beyond being convinced to take less. Yeah, because New York basically... You tell the other ones to take less. That boat sailed. Yeah, this is the thing. You tell the others to take less. Yeah.

So, Tavares' stats this year. 28 goals, 38 assists. In? I don't know how many games. And it took Andrew Ladd a long time to get started. He's also playing with... And he wouldn't be playing with... He'd be playing with...

Make him the third line center some nights if you want. Why not? Oh, that'd be great, yeah. Yeah. It's the new thing. Put your stars on the third line. Matthew's went on the third line

I'm just like listen I know this is totally dumb and fun but I think I think we figured out the Leafs' future I think we did too

write it down or mail it in I hope Bim Jenning is reading this on HF4 here's what I think too

here's an opportunity let's read the title Bim Jenning Bim Jenning yes absolutely what about this guys instead of Tavares because you already

have a pretty good future lined up as it is on the forward Carey Price Kovalcos No It's a hybrid of Kovalchuk and Samkos

In one person I made him In a lab We already have it Anderson's good enough He is He's good enough to win a cup So you don't need to upgrade

What if You get Carey Price And then you wheel Anderson For picks To a team that needs it No I know We've gotten ridiculous

Adam I know Our Tavares talk Was okay We're choosing a weird star Sorry Carey Price You've gone too far

Sorry I think Carey Price leaving Montreal is far more likely than Tavares leaving New York. I'm going to draw a line in the silly sand there. There you go. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Real question. Who's more likely to leave their prospective team? Because I don't think either... But to come to Toronto.

No, no. That's not what I'm asking. Okay. Who is more likely... Eric Carlson! Who is more likely to leave their prospective team? Because I think both futures look bleak. I don't think the future looks great in Montreal unless they have a management change. And New York, even if their management does good things, we don't know what arena they're going to be in.

We don't know when that's going to be built. we don't know there's a lot of uncertainty the roster's kind of meh they got some bad contracts

here's an interesting thought when's Eric Carlson up? end of this end of next year? no no I know but end of next year

I'm not this doesn't even have to do with the Leafs necessarily okay but Eric Carlson is up I think at the end

of next year is he? he's making six and a half that's it? right wow you want to talk

about guys getting ripped off that guy should be making nine ten million bucks is it the end of next year? Or the year after?

Eric Carlson is a UFA in 2019. So two years from now. Yeah. Okay. So. Yeah, there he is. Oh, my God. He's making less stuff than enough.

How? How? How? I mean, what a great contract he was signed to. Well, this is the thing. So the Sens are in it right now. They're a win away from the Final Four. But if they don't win this year,

and they don't win next year, Can the Sens An internal cap team Win a cup In one of the following Two scenarios A Paying Eric Carlson

Nine or ten million dollars I don't know They're an internal cap team I don't think they can afford A good enough team around them Okay Can they win without them at all? No

Their window is These two years man That's why they got Burrows Yeah. And Stolberg. Whatever, man. They're a win away. They are.

They are. I'm not taking anything away from them. They've earned it. It's so funny. Pete Blackburn was getting into it with, I think, Jimmy Murphy. Because he keeps insisting. Who's Jimmy Murphy? The guy from Vice Sports?

He's a former Boston writer. No, I don't think he's with Vice. Okay. I don't know. He makes a lot of claims around deadline time. Most of them end up being wrong. It's so funny. Like this ends again

Or a win away from the Final Four And there's an argument to be made Through a variety of stats They're not all that good But their path To the There's no law There's no rule

That says you have to play good teams En route to the Stanley Cup Final Nope Like you're gonna What if Their path Is You beat the Bruins

You beat the Rangers Meh, meh You beat the shell that the Pittsburgh Penguins used to be in And then you're in the Stanley Cup Final And, I don't know Subban got hurt The Ducks Play like they did in Game 6

Yep For enough games And the Ottawa Senators are the Stanley Cup Champions Are they still not good? You know, it would be interesting to see How dare you An Anaheim An Anaheim-Ottawa

Because that would be a rematch. Oh, God. Except this time I hate both of them. That's true. I would love to see that. That'd be a good story. No. The NHL does not want to see that.

No. Small market versus small market. The one thing I did want to mention. Okay, so we still haven't answered the question. Who is more likely to leave their prospective team? Is it Carey Price in Montreal, or is it John Tavares in New York? I think it's... Again, I don't know what the incentive is to stay.

Either. Like, if you're really looking to win. I mean, Carey Price is probably easier to build the team around because there are less anchor contracts. But I look at New York, because I look at New York and I go, oh, some of those deals. But then I look at the way Montreal is running, And I'm like, what are the chances they dig themselves out of this?

This is going to be a fascinating... Who's going to have the most fascinating summer this year? Besides Vegas, because they're literally building a team. Yeah, that'll be fun to watch. That'll be extremely fun to watch. I think Arizona's one of them. They'll be interesting. But, like, what on earth is Montreal?

What are they? What are they trying to be? Who plays center for them? Good point. John Tavares. Matt Duchesne And Eric Carlson At center

Their centers are John Tavares, Matt Duchesne, and Eric Carlson Galchenyuk is still on the way Galchenyuk Is Nathan Beaulieu's defense partner As the spare pairing People were saying That Galchenyuk was struggling the last

And I think I mentioned this before Struggling before the playoffs started He was still the leading scorer on the team And you're like, oh, we're moving to the fourth line because he's struggling. And Berkshire tweeted, he's like, who's not struggling? Who isn't struggling to score on this team? That's good point. Mr. Galchenyuk needs to be playing center.

They need to just shoehorn him in there and let him play. Galch, you're sitting tonight. Al, Al Montoya, you're playing right wing. I wonder if we can get Kyle Clifford from the Kings. They'll try. They will. I still love Berkshire's tweet. And it's amazing how often it's been relevant

Over like two or three years It's that George Clooney Brad Pitt thing It was Michelle Tarian And Mark Bergevin Talking about third and fourth line players Do you think we need another? Do you think we need another? Alright, we'll get another

The Ocean's Eleven? I think so, yeah I've never seen the movie You should watch Ocean's Eleven Yeah, it's a good movie It's a decent movie It's fun Yeah, it's a good watch

You're gonna be like, there's plot holes I was expecting Oscars No it's just fun It's just a fun watch It's a fun robbery story Yeah It's probably something You should have seen

So you should probably watch it Alright Yeah Can I go to the bathroom? Sure May I? Can we pause? Yeah

I gotta pee You get to know the body language Of your co-host I was like Adam's asking me A serious question right now This is a serious question Should we continue?

No no no That's okay We'll pause Okay This is Jake in Smallwood And you're listening To the Steve Dango Podcast So while I was peeing, I remembered that we still have not answered the question.

Who is more likely to leave their team at the end of the contract? I'm not saying either will. Tavares. You say Tavares, why? I don't know. Just my gut thing. I think Montreal, like Kerry Park. I can picture the Islanders without John Tavares.

I cannot picture the Montreal Canadiens without Kerry Price. I don't have a scientific reason behind that. I can picture the Montreal Canadiens making a strong push for John Tavares. Me too, because... Why not? Yeah, what are they? It's pretty easy. You can't miss, right?

Jesse, what do you think? I think Tavares is more likely to leave. I'm in agreement. I give it like a 40% shot. Yeah. I don't... Because big stars like that don't just leave. Who looks at the Islanders management and says,

Hey, I can trust these guys. Like with Montreal. The team's going to do well. Yeah, like at least... I know Carey Price was like the main reason, but at least they got close a couple times. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Islanders? Nah. Nah. Nah. So, Team Canada Forward, and I think this is how we'd prefer to be known. Team Canada Forward Nathan McKinnon. Oh, yes.

Yes. Said something. And you know when you say something and something else comes out of what you said? There's a note, like reading between the lines. There's a different meaning. Here's what he said. Subtext. Because apparently he's playing really well at the WIHF.

Good player plays well, you don't say. Yeah. It's weird. He said, it feels good to play on a really good team. Players on good teams don't say that.

I know. Yeah. Yeah. Feels good to play on a really good team. I like that quote. Do you blame him? No.

Has there been a response from Avalanche players or management? No, I'm sure the Avalanche Twitter account's right on that. Simeon Varlamov got injured this year. Nathan McKinnon had a goal and an assist for Canada today. They should stop sending out text tweets and just have Stephen Wright

just narrate everything. Carl Soderbergh had 14 points in 80 games this season. The only one who could make the avalanche story, I think, if you were having narrated tweets, I would want Dan Carlin to do it because at least they'd be fascinatingly bad. Right? Carl Soderbergh came in and he was supposed to be

amazing this giant and then they throw him in the meat grinder that is Colorado it's good man we can't do Dan Carlin we can

a lot of podcast listeners are now listening to Dan Carlin cool good for them by the way the Preds are good that's all we need to say you guys want to hear They're so upset. They've been commenting on the YouTube page. I know. What do you want me to say?

I made a video about the series. I went through every game. You're fucking great. That's great. You know what we didn't talk about enough, though, when it came to the... There's no story, though. Like, what? You're great.

You fucking killed St. Louis great. There they are. There they are. And Ryan Ellis is not getting enough attention, for sure. Pecorino has been good. Really good. With regard to the Mike Milbury story, I thought that was dumb in just the scope of what pk suban is not even it could have been any player nikita zaitsev dances during the warm-up

gives a shit about a player you know loosening it up during a warm-up what made me more mad and i didn't realize this at the time was it came in the warm-up for game two on the heels of pk suban basically single-handedly winning game one yeah national scored four goals here they are suban blast tipped in by colin wilson suban blast goal suban blast philip forsberg scores on the rebound and suban starts the play where vernon fiddler scored the game-winning goal and ah if i was the coach i'd wrap him on the head no i'd high five him mike the hell if that's what it takes to if that's if that's the worst offense that he can commit for that team to win like that then i just let it be yeah there are just certain things man

Now they're sitting pretty and relaxing There might be three Seven game series With the Preds being the only ones that didn't have to do that Wow Might be Cheering for Tanner Glass to overcome Chris Neal Who's ready for a

Dangle wild hot take From 2014 Oh is this what I think it is This is what I said and this is good Let's talk about the Buffalo Sabres Speaking of people Who are having a good day So basically, Conor McDavid's a new hometown.

Watch them lose the lottery, though. I bet they lose the lottery. Really? You know how, like, to Edmonton. Oh, awesome. Yes. Yes. Oh, my God.

October 14th, 2014. I still, my favorite thing, this is arrogant to say, but my favorite thing of mine to watch because I mean I know what I'm gonna say on camera and I edit it like it's it's packaged it's spontaneous to an extent but it's packaged I did a live video for the McDavid draft lottery though just my complete genuine exasperated shock at Edmonton winning again i was just i was out of words i had none i had none needed to be spoken holy shit they just did it again they just did it again couldn't believe it couldn't believe it that i think that's not the first time we've played that clip on on the show i think it's

been a few times because it's too perfect it's too perfect and it's not like i was calling it or anything it was just the easy joke to make and the easy joke manifested itself in reality It was unbelievable At what point With certain players AHL or NHL Do they develop a reputation As such that

They should be suspended for a long period of time When you get into the He did this in the NHL And then did this in the AHL It's always a gray area Whoever could you be talking about Adam One Jake Dodgion Yeah a guy unfollowed me because

I was unfair to Jake Dodgion How were you unfair to Jake Dodgion? Well because I was like Oh he's a dirty player And you And they were like Oh but Kadri And I'm like

That doesn't That's not an argument And then he did this Jake Dodgion's dirty man You can say Kadri's dirty It might be an argument for that Yeah But then he did this

And I'm like And then what happened? And then what happened? So For those of you who don't know Jake Dodgion Hit Freddy Gauthier Into the end boards

Late during game two of the Marlies Calder Cup playoff series against the Syracuse Crunch. I think they're called the Syracuse Crunch. I don't know. That is an unfortunate name. They've changed that. Yeah, first of all, you're named after a dump.

Second of all, you change your colors like literally every six months. But anyway, so Gauthier is not just out of the series. He's out for six months. This is a guy who had a legitimate shot at being the Leafs' fourth-line center next year. His skating was improving. and now, like, when's the next time Freddy Gauthier is even allowed to get on skates?

Probably not for three or four months. Four months at least. He's not, like, in order for him to become a full-time NHL-er, if that ever happens now, he's going to have to spend, like, almost all of next year in the AHL at least. Mm-hmm.

Andreas Johnson came over from Sweden and got nailed three games into his North American pro career. Yeah, on the Marlies And again, dirty hit By whom? Do you remember? Wasn't Jake Dawson

Someone on the devil's farm system I forget his name Which, good, that means he didn't make it So he drills Johnson in the brain Who knows when Johnson was able to start off-season training I know for a while he wasn't even allowed on a plane And he had a slow start to the season Imagine that

Like, imagine that Of course he did And now he ended up recovering and having a great final end of the season. He was one of the biggest offensive weapons on the Marlies, goals-wise, points-wise. But it took him a while. So Freddie Gauthier, even if he gets his legs, no pun intended, underneath him, it's going to take him until at least the halfway mark

of next season. So now with Jake Dodgion, you get a guy who took out Kasperi Kapanen for two months. In that same game, he sucker-punched Andrew Nielsen. He's the guy who hit Austin Matthews in the leg And he is the guy who took out Freddy Gauthier for six months And got suspended a whopping three playoff games Wow

Wow But that's six regular season games Yeah Isn't it? Yeah That's a lot Oh, you know who doesn't want this series to go to at least six games? Jake Dodgen

Richard Kloon would like a word At what point am I allowed to just be like He's dirty He's dirty That's four incidences Against just one organization I'm sure there are other organizations With similar complaints

I'm sure other organizations are like Yeah we don't like him either Sure Yeah Well Brad Marchand speared him in the pills Oh that was the guy he spilled That was the guy And Brad Marchand lost an entire playoff game

Or In the NHL's case Two regular season games Oh wow It was funny because like Leaf fans hate Brad Marchand but when he was on Team Canada for the World Cup

they're like we'll tolerate you I guess and then we went right back to hating him and then he speared Dodgion in the balls and everyone's like that's terrible

who is it? yeah well okay try not to do it again try not to do it again next time just hit him don't spear him in the balls but definitely

definitely hit him and if you're gonna hit anyone probably him try to get in on him I just don't understand how you can take a guy out for six months and you only get three games. Like, if it was deemed it was dirty enough

for a three-game suspension, like, this was my thing with the Niskanen. It's a dangerous play, too. You gotta watch it. Go watch it. Yeah, this was my thing with the Niskanen play with Crosby. Like, I'm not convinced it was suspension-worthy,

and we've already had that discussion, and I've been yelled at many, many times. They looked at this and went, totally, you're out. Three games, or six. You're out. That's it? I'm pretty sure the guy who hit Johnson got 10.

Who was the guy who skated the guy in the face? Holy shit! He got two games. Right, so have you seen that clip yet? Mm-hmm. So, in comparison, three is a lot. At the World Championship, I don't even remember the two countries involved. I want to say Slovenia and Switzerland.

It was on purpose, too. Yeah! He tried to slit his throat with a skate. He got two games for, yeah, trying to kick a guy in the neck. Now, okay, you could argue, well, it's a short tournament. Two games is a lot. He should never be allowed to play a double IHF hockey game ever again. That's called attempted murder.

He could have killed that person. Attempted murder. Fuck yeah, it was attempted murder. That's insane. You can't kick a guy in the neck with a skate, you lunatic. So it's Slovenia Ziga Jeglik? I've never heard the name. No.

I mean, he plays for Team Slovenia. Where does he play professionally? That's who tried to. He shouldn't be allowed to play a double IHF game again He shouldn't be allowed to play another international game Ever again in his life No penalty was called on the play Well and

A ref would have to see it So maybe they missed it I mean you're not looking at the bench for that sort of thing There was a statement do you want to hear it From the double IHF I'm so glad you brought this up I forgot all about it Based on all facts ascertained Ascertained

No ascertained I know how to read it You just reminded me of when I was a kid. I was like, something went awry. I didn't get made fun of for that. Based on all the facts ascertained, the Disney player... The panel determined that while...

Is it jeglik? I'm not going to get through this. Just call him... Too many hard words. He's Jay-Z. Dipstick. Jeggies indicated that his only intention was to enter the bench as fast as possible.

He intentionally and forcefully extended his leg in the direction of Ruffin Notch, the other guy. These Swiss guys. Ruffy. Ruffian? Lindy Ruff. Lindy Ruff. Risking to hit him in a vulnerable and dangerous position and so endangered the health of his opponent. jeggies would have had space to change further away or pull his leg over the board in a different way

there's a clear swinging motion with his skate directed to the neck and head area of lindy rough jeggies kicking action demonstrated obvious intent as he swings his leg into the bench and attempts to kick his opponent in the head and neck area a violation of rule 152 you don't even need to name the rule we know that's a violation a violation of most laws and it warrants a two game suspension this was a very dangerous and reckless action that could have resulted in a serious injury so let me let me take that out of lawyer speak all right jegi said this jegi's full of shit jegi's tried to kill the fucking guy two games are you fucking kidding me Are you kidding me?

Oh, goodness. Like, Richard Zetnick was an accident. Clint Malarchuk was an accident. This guy tried to kick someone in the neck with a knife! With a knife? With a knife! With a freshly sharpened, someone is actually hired on the bench to make those sharper throughout the game knife.

Here, okay, Jesse's going to show us. I'm afraid to watch this again. Here comes old Jeggy. You hunk of shit Now he was trying to make a line change, Steve Yeah, when I make a line change I grit my teeth and kick Here, wait

Okay, apparently the Swiss guy knows English Here, wait I just want to see him turn his head So he's getting punched in the back of the head First of all Gets kicked in the neck By jeggies And he turns around

The fuck Oh no, he goes to hell Sorry, that was me He goes to hell Yeah so Sabolik Is punching him In the back of the head

And Jeggies Is uh Going for decapitation It's It's so absurd That is Of all the I can't believe

It took us this long To come up with That's one of the worst Decisions I've ever seen In hockey Yeah That's a criminal Fucking offense

Couple on Matt Cook You got two games There's a couple on Matt Cook In the past where I'm like Wow you got off easy Yeah that's true Matt Cook's entire career Yeah, I guess, but Matt Cook never tried to kick anyone in the neck that I know of.

Just in the leg. Maybe, yeah. Allegedly. Adam, there was an investigation of him. He's fine. Yes, you're right, and concussions do not happen when you smack your head off the boards. Like, that, any kicking motion should be, A, minimum 10 games no matter where you did it. B, probably investigated by police.

It's a skate! You maniac! And I think what's important... It's a sharp metal! Let me contextualize this for people that haven't seen the play yet, because I imagine there's a few. Type in Slovenian-Swiss decapitation. I'm sure it comes up.

Don't do that. What's important about this... That could be a very bad idea. Not on YouTube. You know what? Don't do that. You get three guys at the Slovenian bench. Two are Slovenian.

and one is the Swiss guy. He's in the middle. I'm not going to try to name the names because whatever. Jeglik, or whatever his... The Slovenian player with the kicking motion. I want you to watch how high his leg comes. It's borderline impressive.

He hits the shoulder and neck of a man who's standing up. That, to me... Well, he's being propped up, by the way. He is being propped up, and the bench is a little bit higher than the ice. But I got to tell you, I don't have the flexibility to do that.

Nope. But I could still get over a bench and a hockey rink. Well, I could do that if you, for example, gave someone's neck for me to balance on. Like, holy fuck! I've got two games! It is a, I mean, to me, unless you're kicking your leg out,

you're not, like, you don't need to swing your leg over that high. No, oh, Adam, you're trying to poke holes in his argument. There's, it's wide open. He tried to kick the guy in the jugular vein and carotid artery. At all Are we talking about A lawsuit right now Are we talking

No we're talking about A murder trial There's a death A legitimate Murder trial Yeah We're talking about Like manslaughter

Yep But you couldn't even Call it manslaughter Well You could call it You could probably Call it manslaughter Not a legal expert

I'm not gonna get into that shit We're talking about A guy who killed somebody With a skate We're talking about A real life An actual thing In real life

Thing that Happy Gilmore Got in trouble for Yep Yep I can't believe you only got two games for that Thank you so much for reminding me that that happened Let's shift gears

Let's shift gears Let's walk away from death for a minute Let's talk about something happy Let's talk about A club that is not named after But shares a name with The most famous Torontonian right now Which would be one Aubrey Drake Graham

Oh It's a hotel called the Drake Hotel In Toronto I didn't know it was actually a hotel Well it was a hotel I don't know if it still is Not a hotel anymore Isn't it just a bar

That's hard to get into Bar and yeah It's hard to get into And once you're in If there was ever a fire there You're dead You're dead It's so packed

You're dead Literally Like I don't know If the fire department You will die You'll die Decavitation Dead

Hey You violated a fire hazard And were responsible For the death of 46 people Two games Two days in prison Okay Get out of here you crazy

Slovenian person Although the rooftop at this place is amazing If you're on the main floor it sucks It just sucks Yeah the rooftop where the helicopters have to come rescue you If you're lucky enough to make it there No you'd climb onto another roof that's what you'd do You could do that

The rooftop's amazing there Jesse and I were talking about this yesterday But being on the ground floor The only time being on the ground floor of the Drake Hotel is cool Is when you're 19 and you're just experiencing clubbing for the first time And you think it's awesome But you cannot move You cannot hear

You can't get a drink But everybody is there I've waited in the line It was great If you don't go there Having drank Max drinks you're going to be able to get Out of the whole night is two

If you wait in line in Toronto They can't over serve you There's too many people Here life advice Don't wait in a line In Toronto If you live in a big city Don't ever wait in a line

A lot of places look really cool No nowhere I've ever been is cool enough to warrant waiting in line it's all in who you're with man you can make any bar cool 100%

yeah 100% but anyway so Jesse is there and Jesse has special VIP access and this is where

I'm going to let you kind of oh do you just cruise right on in yeah we just walked in because we knew the DJ

so we didn't have to wait in the long ass line there's a lot of cool people to know you know the DJ yeah so he was playing in the underground

which is the lowest level of the Draco which is way fun Underground's wicked yeah so we were there and I was on stage because I knew the DJ I was with Jax

who hosts the show before Adam Wilde on Kiss 95 and we were there and we were hanging out she's also one of those people who just knows everybody she is one of those people

East Coaster man so this guy hops on stage and we're like what is this kid just hopping on stage walking over to us so we're standing there and he walks over to us

and he's like hey, I just got to tell you something from all Leafs fans I just got to say thank you for the podcast you do with Steven Adam wow dude, thanks for coming out to me, his name was Steven he said he's been listening since

producer Chris was there was here is what he told us, and then, yeah, so he's a long time listener, he just wanted to thank us, so I thought I'd pass along that message. Where does that rank in the coolest moments of your life? You got into a club, you surpassed line in a club because you knew the DJ

and you're dancing on stage and someone is like, hello, famous Jesse. I love your show, famous person Jesse. Famous, handsome person Jesse. And you're good looking. With your velvety smooth voice. None of that would

rank in the top. And he's humble too. My life hasn't scored 30 goals yet. I'm sorry. Not even once? Nothing I've done has made me top 100 anything so I need to score

30 goals still at least two more times I thought you I thought you'd had a 30 goal year by now but okay all right fine never had a 30 goal

2017 it's happening I think it's 2019 maybe okay no that's when you score your third no no this is number one

I need I need when does he win his first cup that's what I want to know oh soon I don't know what

that barometer is five years what is what is the metric by which we are judging a cup win for Jesse by the way okay

anyway Jax also told me a similar story because she was out at an event where was she do you know I think she was

at the grocery store she was at the grocery store and someone comes up to her and goes at an event called grocery shop she's like she was at Sobeys

yeah someone goes up and goes are you Jax from Kiss 92.5 and Jax goes yes I am she's like

so you know Adam and Jesse from the Steve Nagle podcast no way way no way yep she's like yeah I said I know Steve too

I got a haircut one time and this guy was going or no I briefly mentioned I go oh and I do this podcast and it's with my buddy Adam he's on the radio actually he's on Kiss 92.5 and he just goes that's where I know you from I've seen you on

his Instagram that's funny that's awesome That's awesome No it's just funny Like I mean Jax is like No one ever comes up to me

And goes hey I listen to your show It's always like Do you know Adam and Jesse Yeah cause afterwards He started making fun of me After we had our little chat And Steven walked away

And Jax was like You guys are more famous Than our entire station What can I say Except for Razamoga Who are on every bus shelter And deservedly so There's no pictures of us

Getting cake thrown at us Yeah No Like that is very untrue Can we like get promo done And just copy Ross and Mocha Just throw pig cakes at each other Every commercial they do is amazing

If you're not from Toronto, look up a Ross and Mocha commercial They're awesome It's all Ross They're like Ross' ideas Our next promo should be Adam trying to skate Steve in the neck We'll go to an arena And Steve will stand at the boards

And Adam will try to kick him in the neck And Jesse will make a thumbnail for the YouTube video And there will be blood just squirting out of my neck but I thought you would also be punching Steve in the back of the head at this point hey if you want to look up something fun look up radio commercials 99%

of radio commercials are awful that's why I say with some surprise I'm so glad that I'm at a station where the Morty Show has amazing commercials because it just makes the whole station look cool have you had one? like a TV one? no I've never had a TV commercial

you've been on the BT one though I'm in the BT promo yeah but it's really about Kevin and Dina as it should be I'm in it it's like

it's literally like and out of entertainment boop and you're there and you're there and you're in entertainment what would it cost to like just

do a commercial and get it on like Rogers Durham well I don't TV commercials can cost like 25 grand and up if you want to do them right

I want the board in the Generals Arena more than the TV commercial yeah we talked about that buying a board in the Generals Arena legal advice. What would that even do?

That would do nothing for us, though. But it'd be hilarious. Oh, I'm only doing it because it's one of the most baller things you can do at an Oshawa Generals game. That'd be pretty cool. We'd have to... If we're going to do that... Eat mashed potatoes and chicken out of an ice cream cone. Be on the boards.

Hoist the Memorial Cup. So if we ended up buying a billboard, and we should look into it, at the Generals game, just to do it, I want the audience to be able to vote on What pictures of us we get to use So and I think

The one with Steve with the thumbs up With the sonnet That has to win You with your Leafs jersey on over your winter jacket Like your mother told you so I think Steve on the phone Steve on the phone Trumps that

Getting off the bus Oh no the one where he comes to the door Oh my god Your arm is outstretched there's a picture of me and dart guy and it made me like renew my passion for the gym oh god every time i look at this podcast i'm like that is a gut man this picture what is that picture from that's i was the the media skate for the centennial classic did you post that picture no myrtle did i'm pretty sure oh my god it's so funny

Can we post How can people see these pictures Well we posted them on Twitter Yeah They're in our Twitter They're amazing Go to Jesse's Twitter Go to media

And you will have to go No further than Three pictures It's literally Three tweets down On my Twitter I have awful pictures of Steve What are you doing

In the picture With the art I don't know I'm Drew Dowdy Here's the thing I'm not posing For this picture So I'm just

I don't know Maybe I walk like this And I just don't know Oh my god I just Walk like a Turkey with it's head cut off By a Slovenian hockey player

Alright so For fun Cause I want to lighten the mood Before we You know we were talking about death And that sort of thing Show Adam I've seen a stupid picture

He'll get way more joy out of it Than I will It's my favorite picture of you All time I had a protein shake for lunch today I wanted a protein It's not because you look big in that I know you're wearing a jacket.

It's the face. No, it's just because it's a stupid picture. Steve, you look like a fat fuck. Wow! Steve, you look morbidly obese. You know why, Jesse? Because I am! You're not.

But also, it's just a funny, it's a goofy picture. Okay, so, here's a question. Why is the internet allowed to vote on anything important anymore? I saw that you sent me this yesterday. I did not look at it. Jesse found it. We talked about it on the air. I questioned Jesse's internet abilities

A few days ago I'll never do it again He's the king Why did you question them? It was about some story or something It was something I was like I've seen that Jesse has not seen Stop a Douchebag

Which everyone Stop what you're doing and spend Literally close to 6 hours of your life Watching these crazy dudes in Russia Who just stop cars Who drive on the sidewalk And if they don't Back up right away

They put giant stickers On their windshield And they're impossible To peel off too It's pretty amazing It's a great video And in Russia Everybody has a gun

So like I keep expecting somebody To pull out a gun And kill them If something untoward Happens to you in Russia And you're in a car I think you're

Obligated by law To get out And start a fight It's freaky Okay So There is a school In Austin, Texas

Austin, Texas Is a very Liberal part of Texas. They have a vibrant stand-up comedy scene. They do. They have a vibrant

steampunk scene. Vibrant art scene. Yeah. Great place to live. They are our sister city. Toronto? I believe so. Austin is Toronto's sister?

Do you remember when Is that why we have North by Northeast here? Do you remember when Rob Ford was mayor? Yeah. And they were trying to do something with

Austin's Music Week and Toronto's Music Week and they're trying to match them up. Oh. Because we were like music city sisters. Oh.

Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. I wonder if we have any listeners in Austin. Probably. You are. I'm jealous of you because you get to live in Texas, first off, which seems awesome,

and living in Austin, especially. Texas just seems like a fun place to live. It just seems like just crazy fun. We had a Music City Alliance, and Rob Ford went down to Austin to represent us. Oh, that's cool. Okay, so there's a school named after the Confederate general, Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee was an American general and when the

Civil War broke out was still on the Union side but left because he was a Southern guy and said I can't fight against my own people but is a bit of a controversial guy because he wasn't like one of those ardent

we need to secede from the Union kind of guys he was more just a general so he fought on the South side? He did fight on the South side And was well respected by the North And well known Like imagine you're going to battle And you're a general

And the guy Your boss Your direct boss Goes over to the other team And now you're facing him Right? Like that's literally what happened So Robert E. Lee

No Robert E. Lee I'm going to make a hockey analogy It's not worth it Controversial Controversial figure Probably shouldn't name an elementary school After the guy who fought against

The Emancipation of Slaves Whether or not he himself believed in it But if you're in the South Both of you probably have a very complicated memory. Right, so anyway. Anyway, so the city of Austin goes, okay, you know what? We should rename the city,

or the city, the school. Let's throw out there on the internet and take some submissions. Here, I have not seen this list. Can I take a guess? Sure. Okay, is it a high school or an elementary school? Elementary.

Okay. Harambe Elementary. Schooly McSchoolface. um what else something about ellen i don't know i'm all out i thought i would have more what are what are the suggestions all right now they're i'm going to give you the top five and then what the news report is going to give you uh is the rest of the notable submissions the top five goes from i can see that to whoa sean mendez elementary last month austin isd board members decided to change the name of Robert E. Lee Elementary School because of

its Confederate ties that some people found offensive. The community was then asked to submit nominations to rename the Central Austin School. Well, here are the top five submissions. At number five, with 15 nominations, Elizabeth Ney Elementary to honor the German-born sculptor who helped grow the art movement in Texas. Okay. At number four, with 30 nominations, Harper Lee Elementary to honor the famous author of To Kill a Mockingbird. At number three, another Lee, 32 nominations were submitted to change the name of the school to honor late Austin photographer Russell Lee. In second place, 34 votes were submitted to change or change back the school's name to

Robert E. Lee Elementary. And topping the list of nominations with 45 votes, Donald J. Trump Elementary. Oh, my God. Now, that's not even the best part. I thought that, like, that's, to me, that's just funny. Like, maybe I have a sick sense of humor, but I find that hilarious. It's, here's why it's funny. Because someone was like, this is offensive.

And the internet went, oh, yeah. It's the only reason. Like, I feel like the people who voted to keep it at Robert E. Lee are people that are serious. The people who are actually mad. Yeah, the people who voted for Donald Trump is just like, let's just troll these people. Right? You're right. We should go to something less offensive.

Trump. Oh, my God. Now, here's where it gets more fun, because the notable submissions that Fox 7 in Austin, Texas brings up are fan-freaking-tastic. Suggestions submitted. Drew Brees Elementary. Bruce Lee Elementary. John Cena Elementary. Oh, that's too fast.

John Cena Elementary. Bruce Lee Elementary. John Cena Elementary. Adolf Hitler School for Friendship and Tolerance. And, of course, the tongue-in-cheek suggestion, Schooley McSchoolface. wait wait wait go do the final three final three do the final three again i'm gonna try to get it back to you um suggest bruce lee elementary john cena john cena adolf hitler school for friendship and tolerance and of course the tongue and cheek suggestion schooly mcschool face

all right we got bruce lee john cena the adolf hitler school for friendship and understanding And now something that's really wacky School even school face That's what we said on the air That is a poor copy of Adam Oh my god It's hilarious because she does it With the biggest news face ever

Well ladies and gentlemen Well It's There's a few others that they didn't mention So Flava Flav Elementary Ignorance is Bliss Elementary Kim Il Sung High School even though it's an elementary

school uh which is the funnier part there i don't know the north korean dictator or the fact that it's not even a high school just neil degrasse tyson yeah just neil degrasse tyson uh rudolph hess primary which oh my god hess was adolf hitler he was one of the top five in command yes atomic bomb oh man is that at the top uh it's near the bottom is it okay hang on Well, the Vladimir Lennon Elementary School. Wernher von Braun, Institute of Science and Technology. Wernher von Braun created the rocket. Part of the...

Oh, I didn't know that. I just love how they made it serious. Institute of Technology. Let's rename some Toronto high schools. Lonnie Bow High School. That's good. I don't know what I'm calling it. Schooley McSchoolface.

Schooley McSchoolerson. Schooley-Mix-Schoolerton All Richard Pyre Revisionist Elementary School Raul Castro Elementary There's just It's

Yeah It's good Hank Hill High School Oh here's my favorite Bleeding Heart Liberal Elementary Man that's funny I don't even care That's hilarious

You know what I saw the other day I attend BHL I'm sorry That made me throw up a little I saw someone use the term Left Center what does that mean to describe their political views what does that mean i think i'm a left center individual that means you're left no no they're left of center

isn't that left i mean i i don't know i mean all right so here's what you're going to want to do you're going to want to go through that light then go left of center and then you're going to want to go right of center a little bit you have the lefties right And then you have your real lefties. Yeah, well, I mean... And then you have your centers. It's always kind of hard to find. But then you have your left centers.

I sort of get it, because there's like hardcore left, which is communist, and then there's socialist, and then there's just people who are socially conscious, and then there's the center, and then there's the... And then there's I watched Bill Maher once. Yeah, exactly. Like, I get there's degrees of left, but left to center is like, you're left. Stop it. No.

Just stop. Yeah but someone who is really left would be like No you're center Yeah you're not as left as we are Did you hear Nah Forget it I'll save it for after Adam was given strict instructions by my wife

He needs to be out by 2.30 today Yes also that Hey I'll know quickly before that Thoughts on American Idol coming back No let's not do that Thoughts on American Idol coming back I don't care Did YouTube replace the need for American Idol

I think YouTube is the YouTube The way YouTube does things now Needs American Idol What is American Idol? I've never seen that show Bunch of Wait are you serious?

I've never seen it He knows exactly He's being Shut up Shut up I don't YouTube needs Long form content

I should act like you For Ocean's Eleven Oh you know what You really need to watch it Alright fine Let's do the press conference The Presser S

D P The Steve Dangle Press Conference I have three questions. They're pretty good. Bulbasaur, Kifachu, who's always giving us good questions. That is a great name.

He says, Wow. Which player on the Leafs are you most likely to see at Cabana this summer? Matt Martin and Mitch Marner. That's not bad. Yeah. Because Marner's a local, especially. And they wouldn't be doing anything bad.

I think they would just be hanging out. they both of them would be wearing v-neck white t-shirts did you call it quicksilver yeah cabana it's the name of the

pool club oh yeah not cabana beach club oh cabana pool bar yeah oh that you hear on the radio all the time

yeah yeah probably Mitch nah getting ID'd yeah I think yeah it's 20 now Mitch and Matt

I think would be there they'd be wearing v-neck white t-shirts and they'd be wearing quicksilver shorts with flowers on them because of course and a wristband

and they'd have a hat on and they'd just be hanging out there and I don't think they'd be up to anything nefarious. $500. Cabana is.

Cabana, okay, do you know what a cabana is, right? You know that it's a bed by the ocean. A bar with a pool. No, a cabana is like a bed by the ocean.

Oh, yes. But yes, Toronto has a conflicted history with its waterfront because we used to dump all sorts of pollution into it,

so everybody's sort of afraid to swim in the lake. Apparently there was a study about the E. coli levels and they're like the worst that the person doing the test had ever seen. Really?

It's going to take, listen, we dumped some pretty rancid shit in there for about 200 years. It's going to take a while. I lived on the water when I was a kid. I swam in Lake Ontario once. Yeah. One time because I accidentally fell out of a boat. Yeah. That's it. So, you know,

we have beaches. I've been to them. But I rarely go actually into the water. Yeah, don't. I mean, you can in certain spots, especially out in like, yeah, you can by the island and stuff. It depends on the... Okay, Steve doesn't, but Steve is also your grandmother. So...

I read a study on Facebook. I'm not dead yet. Steve reads one study on Facebook. I shared that once. It's from a page called You Won't Believe It's Real. And they're verified. They're verified, so they're real. Okay, next question.

Question two of three. what's better oh i'm only asking this question so i can tell cole that his question is dumb because there's an obvious answer what's better movie theater popcorn or white cheddar smart food movie theater popcorn adam wild movie theater popcorn thank you only reason i want to ask that Smart food, it's weird. It's, I like it. I like it. But it became this almost, I want to say like indie thing.

Smart food is the cult movie of snack foods. It is the Danny Darko of snack foods. I'm like, wait, when did all of you start to like this? When did everybody start to give me my smart food back? like a few people made it their thing like oh I demolish smart food

at every party and then everyone did it and then by like 8 o'clock all your smart food's gone and your breath stinks and you're just covered in your hands

it is the one snack on earth that's messier than Cheetos yeah 100% yep if there's things at a party smart food is not

the first thing like at least Cheeto will flake off you get smart food gunk on your jeans it's there forever you're doing You gotta buy new jeans

Movie theater popcorn I will eat Until I'm near death from dehydration I just want everybody to know that smart food is awful It's good just not as good Final question What is the best style of french fry What do you mean Fried

Sweet potato fries Crinkly fries McDonald's fries There's so many different kinds of fries Wedges It depends what mood I'm in you know what wedges can be done really well but a lot of people just offer wedges because people like to order wedges and they're shit it's just a hunks of potato no i want a wedge it's different

you gotta put some stuff on it yeah because otherwise it's just a home fry yeah well and like you can't have a hard potato wedge oh no that's undercooked yeah yeah a lot of places undercook their wedges a lot of places undercook their wedges oh um what's your favorite kind of french fry i'm gonna go off board because i still count this as a french fry although there would be some people that would would disagree smashed potatoes you ever seen them it's basically you take those you know those mini potatoes they take them they smash them and then they and then they either fry them or they broil them and they they are crispy and un-freaking-real is that just a potato dish no but it's still i think it's yeah it's i think it counts as a french fry i think

it does. I think it's its own thing. If you refer to it as a smash, you can't just call it hash browns. You can't? Because that would be my next answer. Oh boy. Are hash browns French fries? They're not. They are. They're absolutely French fries. Our hash browns are sandwich because it's like crispy potato crispy.

Hash browns are absolutely French fries. Our hash browns are Oreos. Our Oreos are sandwich. Our Oreos are Oreo soup. Okay, best kind of French fries? Best kind of French fries? McDonald's. It depends on the mood I'm in If I'm gonna have french fries

And I never order french fries Ever I will have McDonald's french fries All day all night You love poutine too I'm not a poutine guy Poutine is another thing that Everywhere does now

And almost all places do it shitty It turns into lasagna And it's like gravy lasagna Some places holy shit That's tough Yeah it completely depends on the mood I'm in I used to love curly fries as a kid That's an unpopular pick

A lot of people don't like curly fries I don't know why It's a fry and it's curly That's it I'm not a big fan They're not crispy the same way I need salt in my life And I haven't had any today and I'm angry

This is making me very hungry It's a good thing I have a sweet potato to eat I'm starving. Yeah. You got some kale and chickpeas on that sweet potato? I do, and I've got some chicken that I made, and I actually am a pretty good chicken maker. I was at a restaurant the other day, and it said $2 extra for sweet potato fries. Yeah, that's not worth it.

Yeah, I'm sitting there going, wait, are sweet potatoes more? No. Do they cost more? You're health conscious. Yeah. Are they harder to make? They charge for the healthiness of it. It's healthy.

It's not healthy. It's still fried in the same garbage. And then you lather it in this In this Stepbrother's fancy sauce That they made So good though Yeah

It's okay They also just taste better It's mayo based You're mayo based Yeah You're late You don't like mayo? Steve we gotta go

Mayo can be made better But SL is going to hear She's gonna disown me 20 seconds late Yeah Shit Get the hell out of here

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