The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Nov 15, 2016 - Ownage

Episode Date: November 15, 2016

On this episode, the guys talk about Subban coming to town, the Leafs' roster, Habs, Canucks, and Coyotes moving maybe sort of again for sure maybe. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Weiss. Alright, so Steve's going to start the show with some breaking news. Breaking news! This never happens. It always happens directly after the show finishes at about 2 o'clock. When we record, that's usually when the breaking news happens and we're done. Breaking, breaking. What happened?

The Maple Leafs alumni roster For the Centennial Classic And the Detroit Red Wings one was released today Oh, I didn't see that one All I saw was the Leafs one So maybe bring up the Red Wings one while I read the Leafs one I will do that For the Leafs, Dave Anderchuk

By the way, not in the Hall of Fame yet He's been eligible for nine years That's a bit of a Didn't Down Goes Brown put out An article at Sportsnet.ca about Hall of Fame snubs and Paul Correa was like Paul Correa's not The biggest snub

Because like I think he's gonna get in But Anderchuk It's been long enough That He might not Yeah he might not

It's kind of weird Which would be a shame Thankfully it doesn't work Like the baseball one Where you can get Eliminated from contention To the Hall of Fame I think that's

The correct way to do it Really? Because your stats Don't change Once you're retired And they determine That you're not eligible What changed?

Well What happened in those Ten years to make you A better player? You were just waiting For a bad year Yeah But if you're Gretzky

if you're going in Gretzky's year it's like well I don't stand a chance against Gretzky he's Gretzky so then maybe after 10 times you don't get in then it's enough see he's a really interesting case why did he have to be the first name this is going to go by so slowly

I heard I think it was Dan Rosen was talking about it he's one of only two guys with 600 or more goals not in the Hall of Fame and the only other guy is Jager and the reason he's not in is because he's still playing Yeah, Dave Anderchuk deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

Yeah, well, there's name one. But he does have a statue in Tampa Bay. He sure does. By the way, I believe I'm going to the Lightning v. Canucks game in early December as I'm going to be down in Sarasota, Florida to visit my parents because that's what all retired people do. They move to Florida, and I can't wait to do that myself. I am also watching the Canucks.

Canucks Leafs, December 3rd in Vancouver. Oh, my God. That's right. I forgot about that. It's the Stephen Angle podcast tour of Vancouver. I'm going to watch from home. You know what we should do? What?

We should watch the Vancouver Canucks game together and Skype Jesse. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Have we announced that yet on the show? Then we can watch like we're at an Islanders game. Have we announced that yet on the show that you're going to be at the... Jesse's going to Vancouver. Bring your tomatoes, Canucks fans.

What are you doing there? I'm just hanging out. Do you have a job interview there that I don't know about? I have many job interviews, constantly. If you are leaving either of these shows, I will be so mad. I am not. Okay, good. I'll be all the upset.

I'll be all the... Because we're doing this until we're 86, by the way, gentlemen. 86 is the magic number. Or at least 70. 86. Or at least xenophobic. Wow. Wow.

Wow. So, hey, did you hear the last show? We'll get into that in a second. So you're saying we'll do the show until we're old enough to be racist? Is that what it is? Yes, until somebody else with a different show yells about us and says we're done. I think I'm done with Steve Daniels. Fair enough.

We're still on the first name. So Dave Anderchuk. Is a guy who scored 600 goals. He's a guy. Wendell Clark. Ty Dommy. Dave Ellett. Doug Gilmore.

Al Iafredi. Cujo. Curtis Joseph. Thomas Caberlate Gary Lehman The Blue Mohawked One Brian McCabe Lanny McDonald Big Daddy Bob McGill

Mike Palmatier Felix the Cat Pot Van Gary Roberts Boreas Salming Daryl Sittler Matt Sundin He's actually going to make his way to North America That's amazing

That's because I believe The reason he wasn't at the Oh, I think he's a daddy now He's a dad now He was having a baby That's why he couldn't be at the ceremony apparently well and i also am not 100 sure he knew well no they none of them none of them did until like 10 minutes before yeah uh matt sundin steve thomas stumpy uh darcy tucker rick vive tiger williams

and one of my favorite leafs as a kid never talked about very underrated dimitri ishkevich he was awesome i love dimitri ishkevich i remember the that you scavage and markoff shutting down the yarmir yager line in the second round of the playoffs and i actually went to one of the games where Steve Silviancote scored a goal to start the game. And I believe you're doing a trade tree on him, are you not? Already did. He was in the Ackie Berg one. Yes, yes, he was.

Now, we have the Detroit Red Wings version, too. And I know we have a lot of listeners in Michigan who are just Detroit fans in Southern Ontario as well, too. So, Chris Draper. Hey! Hey, St. Brendan's alumni. Tilly Street alumni, which is where I grew up. Chris Draper, Dino Cicerelli, Martin Lapointe, Doug Brown, Sergei Fedorov, Slava Kozlov, Brendan Shanahan.

How dare you? Wait, really? Trickery. How dare you, Brendan? How dare you? We should reach out to him for comment and be like, excuse me, why are you such a traitor? Brendan, we understand you're a traitor. Why?

Dear treasonous. Thomas Holstrom, Mickey Redmond, Darren McCarty, Igor Larionov, Kirk Mulpey, Joe Kosher. So basically, most of those guys are the guys that they won all the cups with at the end of the last millennium. Nicholas Lindstrom, Larry Murphy, Chris Chelios, also three on that list. Uri Fisher, Paul Coffey, Matthew Dandenau, Manny Legacy, and Kevin Hodgson. Hodgson. I don't remember Kevin Hodgson. Me neither.

I remember Manny Legacy, though. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Was Chris Osgood on that list? He's not. No, and there was another name floated for the Hall of Fame in the near future. Who's that? Oh, Chris Osgood?

Yeah. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Is Mike Vernon in the Hall of Fame? I don't think so. Mike Vernon's a guy that I think should be in the Hall of Fame. Man, next year's class has some names available. Well, Teemu Sulani's the lock.

I think it's his first year of eligibility. Korea's in there. Daniel Alfredson is in there. Dave Anderchuk is still in there. Mark Reckie is in there. I would tell the Hall of Fame not to Anderchuk this chance. To honor a man who deserves. How dare you.

How could you look us in the eye and try to say that? Jesse lapped a little. no he didn't he just kept his head down and decided to not be your friend for that moment i was very disappointed oh my god um yeah you know it's it that that alumni game will be great it'll be great the whole experience will be great you've been to this so you know yeah i encourage everyone if you know if uh you know the guilt of killing somebody um won't weigh that much on your conscience you can i'm sure shank someone and take their tickets right because that's the only way are going to get them.

And then you'll enjoy it. It'll be a wonderful experience and bundle up. Lots of layers. The alumni game is cool. I don't know if women's hockey is going to be involved at all this year. And then, of course, the game itself between the Leafs and Red Wings. It'll be fun. If it's anything like the Boston-Montreal game I was at last year,

it'll be fun. It'll be lots of fun. It'll be exciting. And a different atmosphere. It'll be a lot more intimate. And it's not at this giant 80,000 seat NFL arena It'll be like what

35,000? 35, 36 I know they added They added a whole stand They brought in You know like What they do for You know

Those temporary grandstands They put in a new one For the Grey Cup Which is the Canadian Football League Everybody Paying attention in America And Didn't that get them up to 35,000 though?

I think it did yeah And it's funny Canada not as big When they have TFC games there All those tickets sell man They It's funny You could have

You wouldn't know it In this city But you could have Double the amount of people At a Toronto football club game That you would have At a Leaf game Close

Close to it Because Leafs are about 18 grand right 18,000 After all the Suites and everything I think it's closer To 19 and a half

Okay Yeah Okay And then you've got 36 That's pretty crazy That is crazy It's cool Argos not so much

Nah well They haven't been around that I mean Ah shucks 10 years Ah nuts So let's Let's just

I mean but we got We gotta talk about A lot of things today We got Subban tonight Here in Toronto That's right He's coming back home To the city that he really loves

The city he truly loves Absolutely I mean let's be honest It's good that you say that It's good to articulate that I find it doesn't rub Anyone the wrong way If there's a city that loves him

It's also Toronto Oh absolutely We also have to talk about the NHL and the 2018 Olympics. Ooh, yes, yes. And the Coyotes and their new arena deal. And a really interesting stat, which we will get into next, which

Jesse found, which I think is so interesting. Now, it's a couple days out of date, but it is such a great stat, and you're going to geek the hell out, even if you're not an advanced stats person. I love stats. You will be blown away by the stat, which is already two days old, but still

hasn't changed all that much. They haven't played, so I think it's still good Because there's only There's only one NHL game Monday Right So the entire stuff I think I know

I think I know Oh yeah You'll like it You're gonna love it First thing I want to address Is the Is Is

Last show We're gonna dive headlong It It Kicked up a notch Didn't it Also I had a question Oh

Oh let's get to your question first Oh So Steve's wearing a Mario Brothers shirt Oh man They're called the Mario Brothers Uh huh

Why are they called the mario brothers if one of them named is mario and the other one's name is luigi is his name mario mario and the other one is luigi is this your shower question of the day no i just came up with this no jesse says he has a good shower thoughts question for us i've seen that asked before and i never got an answer wow is he mario mario the other one's luigi mario they're the mario brothers no i think he's super mario and the other one may be luigi you think his first name is super?

Yeah. Yeah. Super Italian. Super. Superi. Superi. Superi. I don't know.

I'm assuming that's a word. It's not a word. I have no idea. That's why I always tell you like pronounce my name right dammit it's Dan Gile.

Dan Gile. I don't know. I just thought I'd ask. That's a good question man. I just thought I'd ask. Well Jesse I'll have to ask my relatives

at the macaroni factory about it. Somebody messaged us last about last week's question, and Jesse was talking about if there are Sour Patch kids, where are their parents? And somebody said they're with wine gums?

No, no, yeah, their parents are wine gums. That was Diana. I remember now. I mean, you answered it. I've never seen one of those actually answered. No. Most people just ignore that, and they yell at us for other things because they're like, no, that breaks my brain.

Sometimes you're like, oh, that's kind of clever, and that was the first one where I was like, damn, that's the answer. That's what it is. Okay, thanks, Diana. Yeah, thanks. Now that that's done, what else do we want to tackle? Let's quickly mention last week's show, or the last show that we did on Thursday last week.

Yes, I understand some of you were disturbed by the Bob Cole impression. Yes, and the Jaffler story, which is understandable as well. Some of you had to turn it off. No, we're going to talk about the—we're not going to get more into politics. Our message was this. Our message was this. The Steve Dangle Podcast is an inclusive environment. Yes.

As I said at the time, not an airy-fairy safe space. Oh, feel free to be. But yeah, feel free to be you. And feel free that, yeah, you can say what you want. But there are going to be people who disagree with you. And they're going to go, hey, hey, you, you, stop it. I don't agree. I might call you stupid.

What I want to say about this is a couple things. One of them involves just the overarching talk that we had. The second thing involves Don Cherry. Okay. So the first thing I want to say is that I was genuinely shocked by the amount of amazing messages that we got afterwards. A lot of Americans. A lot of Americans. A lot of Americans.

And a lot of Americans who identify with a group that you would say is outside of the precipitated norm, right? The norm that is, well, I'm a straight, white, whatever, right? I give Adam funny looks during the show, and that's because he uses words I don't understand. Well, yeah. Precipitated, I'm like, ah, rain. As in, like, the norm that is, and somebody's going to tweet me and say I used that word wrong, probably. I'm like, ah, yes, rain and snow and things. I understand.

The point is, you know, there's a norm, quote-unquote norm, in society that everybody deems normal. and yet nobody feels normal I can tell you even normal people don't feel normal and yet we all feel we're outside of it and there are people that messaged us and said listen you made me feel like there's a community and there is I want to have a

I do want to say this there was a lot of people that sent us stuff on A. why their families voted Republican why they themselves voted Republican why they disagreed with what they said or what we said and what I want to say about that is that's great yeah what i love about that and what i loved about most of the rhetoric and most of the wording

was that none of it was it was criticizing arguments maybe that we made criticizing um uh criticizing some of our maybe maybe our our politically held beliefs but i will say this 99.9 of the comments yeah we're respectful civil yeah civil i went back at a few of them though Like, I mean, just because you have a response doesn't mean that response is a very good one. Right. Thank you for at least making it polite. But that is a debate. Is that not a debate?

It is a debate. And we should at least listen to each other. Yep. And that's what being inclusive is. Part of it is listening to each other. For anybody that felt that we were too harsh, you know, that is what it is. Make your own podcast. We stand behind

Yeah We stand behind the words That we said Maybe Some of the Maybe you felt We got a little too passionate At points

But you know what Sorry That's who we are We're human beings We're flawed And that's what it is And I'm not I'm not apologizing

I don't feel bad For anything I said I'm a human being I'm flawed And the last show Was not one of the reasons why Yeah So

Hey I get what you're doing No I'm digging in And that's fine No no I'm not Listen No no I know

I know I know What I want to say is this. We are going to disagree on things. This community will disagree on things. What I won't have is the typical crap that you hear online, which is, you're a terrible person. I hope you burn in hell. None of that happened, which was amazing. That really is amazing.

And it speaks to the intellect and the patience of the people that listen to this show, and I appreciate that. It's a good show. And if anybody wants to engage us directly, I encourage you to do that. But do it in a respectful manner. We will absolutely respond when we can. Obviously, we've got things going on in our lives like you do in yours. But listen, if you disagree with us, that's totally cool. Just come at us respectfully, and we want to talk to you.

We want to talk to you. And again, as I said, anytime, if you feel alone, if you feel disenfranchised, we're here. And the community's here. So just know that. The other thing I want to say is we talked very candidly about Don Cherry. And one of the things I asked on the last show was, are we done? Can I add some context to the story before you get into it? Yeah.

So I got a call this morning from my mom and she's like, oh, are you watching breakfast television this morning? I go, no, why? What happened? She's like, oh, Don Cherry was on with Adam and Adam rubbed his face. And I'm like, mom has not listened to the last podcast yet. so so so mom uh it's not too late don't don't do it maybe don't the first part fine the rest no not so much dina and kevin they were both talking about don's skin and they were talking about like oh it's very supple you know like and so kevin's like go uh go up and rub don's face and don's

right there and i'm like i am not gonna rub don terry's face are you on any day i'm not gonna do that and anyway so they pushed it and don's like oh i didn't realize it was what that kind of show like he was really funny about it here's the thing and this has been the part that has been I think that I didn't acknowledge this myself enough on the last show and that is this

you know when I met Don today again as I did the first time I genuinely liked him genuinely genuinely liked the man and genuinely understand why he's popular and you know

this is a man who had a huge huge part of I mean Don Cherry and I told him this today no and I told Don Cherry this today

part of the reason I'm such a passionate Leaf fan is that you got on TV when they sucked in the mid 90's and said if you grew up in Toronto

it's a cop out to cheer for another team you should be cheering for your hometown team and that to me my 8 year old brain was like yeah that makes sense

and then I became a Leaf fan so look if he gets up there and 85% of what he says is fine and dandy that's great It's the 15%.

And that's the thing. In all of this, what we have to remember is that the people we are talking to online are people. And they're technically probably people that we would like. It doesn't mean we agree with them. It doesn't mean that we're okay with the way they think. But we might like them. We might find them to be good people to be around. And I had a conversation with one of our listeners about that.

He was really pissed with me. Really mad. And I said, man, we've met. You know I'm a rational guy. come at me and tell me an argument don't start a conversation attacking me that is a cool thing with this show is we've met so many of the listeners yeah well and what I said to him and he said well he said I can like you but I don't have to like the way you went about handling that and he disagreed with the way I handled it fine um and that's totally cool my point in all of this

is remember that when you're on the other side of an argument do I still stand behind everything I I said, yeah, I don't disagree. I don't agree with what Don Cherry says when he gets into those sorts of subjects. I just don't. And I don't like it. And it makes me uncomfortable and it upsets me. You know why? Because my bar for Don Cherry is higher than that.

Because I expect Don to be a good, accepting person. And sometimes he says things that really make me crazy. But when I met him today, I was like, you know what? I still like him. I just don't like his opinions. And I want that to be a real thing that you take away from this show from the last couple episodes. The people that you are arguing with online are people that you would probably like, especially if you're on our Reddit page, which, by the way, blew up after the last show. So many comments.

With a lot of thank yous and other blank dash yous. And I think there's going to be a lot of people that – there might be people that disagree with me on this. That's fine. but the fact of the matter is a lot of the like I talked about you know if you got a racist uncle

you probably love that racist uncle right you hate their point of view though and is it okay to is it okay to say is it okay to say nothing no

you still have to call that racist uncle out yeah I don't know it's a tough one but that's how I feel I'm struggling with it I believe in

I believe in debate and discussion and discourse but I think after a while because that's what I did right I went in there

and I had some discussion and after a while I'm like, well, I think we're done here. I'm not going to agree with you. At one point I've heard you out and if after hearing you out I still think you're totally, totally wrong and damaging to

the people around you and people I love, I don't need to give you respect. I don't. It's not a fair way to be. It's not the nicest way to be. don't care it was a very unpleasant week it was

it was a very very unpleasant week yeah it was tough the end of the day we're not going to agree on everything and what I can guarantee you is this from everybody on this show you will always

get respect but expect that you have to also give it the second it becomes disrespectful the second you step off that line, well we're human beings too right? Those are the rules Don't you dare tell me Matt Hunwick should be getting

top of the line minutes Steve and I disagree about living downtown Jesse disagrees with Steve as well Steve should be living downtown Steve was late today because guess what? I'm being ganged up on by you two Because he doesn't live downtown, Jesse Is that the reason you were late?

It's, no, no, that was my fault Why were you late, Steve? I was writing my article about the Cody Franzen trade. I thought I would be done on time. And then it's quarter to the time I need to leave. And I haven't showered, haven't taken the dog for a walk, and I just finished. My favorite part of every Steve story is, I thought I would have time, but... I mean, I think there's been a few on this show where a few times...

Man, I'm decent at talking about hockey. I'm not good at time management. It's okay. Me neither, man. Jesse's the good one at this, actually, I think, of all of us. I disagree. Really? At what?

Time management? Time management? You're always on time. Yeah, you're always on time. Yeah, occasionally. Producers are good at time management, usually. They have to be. Yeah.

So Jesse and I have been talking, Steve. And we're a little concerned about you. Oh, yeah? Okay. Yeah, we're a little concerned about you. First off, we know that you haven't paid your power bill in a few months. And yesterday, they finally shut off the power. and that's why you were tweeting about your Dangle apparel only being a couple hours left to buy it.

Can you still buy it, or is it done? It's done. I could probably relaunch it, though. I might relaunch it so that you can buy it before Christmas. Well, yeah, because the thing is that if Steve can't pay for his power bill, we don't get videos. See, it was a misunderstanding. I thought in Oshawa the power was free. Right, right. I just thought it was free.

So now you owe how much? You owe a lot back, right? I owe $50,000 Oshawa dollars. Really? We're on a different currency. Which is like $3 Canadian. Oh, totally. It's monopoly money. Yeah, I reached into the couch.

I found $3 yesterday. We're close. We're close to being able to pay it. So does everybody in Oshawa not pay their Power Bill, and that's why everyone's power was out? I haven't found the answer to that, but I will shout it down the street, and the rest of Oshawa will hear it,

because it's so small, and they'll let me know. They'll get back to me. So the power was out in Oshawa last night? Power was out in Oshawa last night. For how long? um it was off for about an hour the first time and then i don't know i fell asleep the second time oh wow yeah it was it was off for quite a bit because it came back on and then shortly

after we heard a very loud bang which we found out later was a transformer and then it went off again yeah so all like 10 people who own power they were affected yeah and cows well jesse didn't you hear about the next there's 11 people there now oh what somebody else is there okay yeah someone had a kid someone had a kid

someone had a kid yeah there was a big party for them at the legion it was cool how dare you dump on legion parties they were the best I don't get it I've

never been you've never been to a legion party no oh man Scarborough there was legion parties all the time see Jesse grew up a

fine young man whereas we grew up scumbags yeah we did grow up in Well, here's Yeah, okay So the Legion Or we just grew up In different parts of the city

Yeah So the Legions are where There's a Legion in Mississauga No, there isn't It's where the vets gather How dare you It's a 600,000 person city Yeah, there's a Legion

In Mississauga somewhere No, there isn't There has to be No, there isn't Has to I'm gonna I'm not even gonna Google it right now

Because I know I know there's a Legion In Mississauga somewhere No, no So there are no more Veterans in Mississauga What are those? Okay

There are more veterans Not shoes, Jesse You don't celebrate Remembrance Day in Mississauga because no one fought. I've never celebrated Remembrance Day in my entire life. Well, you don't celebrate it. You honor. Exactly. Disrespect.

See? You see how he brought that around? Like that. Like that. I was ready to pounce. That is a... You would make a great TV pundit. Like, you are too good at that, man.

Honestly. You're a katana sword, Jesse. You are long and sharp. Don't sound like compliments, people. That was... See? See what I mean? You are like

We're talking about The Legion and War Vets All you have to do Is start a conspiracy theory That Gary Bettman Is actually a lizard And you will be Alex Jones From InfoWars

Share it on Facebook Yeah Wait till it has 800,000 shares And then Jesse becomes president That's how it works Earth is flat Oh man

I will I do now Thanks to you YouTube video From Unverified Source With a bunch of numbers And letters in your name So when we got

We're going to go to break But when we come back Can we talk about Can we talk about arena deals Yeah we can talk about a bunch of stuff man Because we didn't Arena deals are interesting And this stat is interesting

And Subban is in town tonight and that is interesting All of that next on the Steve Dangle podcast On the Fan 590 On Sportsnet 590 The Fan Leafs tonight Are hosting a very special mustard colored team The Nashville I was going to say the Sabres from a couple years ago

The Sabres from a couple years ago Last year's Montreal Canadiens Not really The standout star from last year's Montreal Canadiens Let's say last year's Montreal Canadiens Basically PK Hey they lost by the way I think it's news every time the Habs lose

It's crazy how Unbelievably good Carey Price is Like it's just outrageous I saw the score the other day went, oh, Carey Price finally lost. Nope. Montoya in net. It's unbelievable. He hasn't lost

in over a calendar year. I know he was hurt for a lot of that. It's so, I never thought, I mean, we always kind of, Montreal was definitely an exciting team to watch, and we said that at the beginning of the season. It's like, what's this going to be? Because we obviously disagree with the Subban trade, and people are like, well, here we are, 15 games in, clearly

Montreal won that trade. No. Montreal, the problem with Montreal is Montreal should have been good last year too and what would Montreal be if Carey Price wasn't in that well we have a couple games and well okay one I know no no I'm not taking the easy I refuse to take the easy road out on that one because a lot of people were like well after the 10-0 game well here they are well they're not a 10-0 team no but they were quick to go look Montoya Montoya's a good goalie man he's a good backup right so when he so what's his record now i think it's yeah it must still be above 500 i

think he played the first three games of the season okay he's probably like three and two something like that okay um but the point is i just think the haves would be close to the same record if not have the exact same record with suba yes yes it's carry price has been so good that i think it's inconsequential yeah that's a good point like the biggest trade maybe like of the last two decades and he like wipes it out and my point and weber was never bad my point in that is that like i said montreal is supposed to be good because carrie price is supposed to be in the lineup and the whole hoopla last year about it was that the team sucked without him and the team i think still isn't that great without him and look hey shea weber's scoring lots of goals okay

of all the critics like if you look at all the criticism of that trade i don't think anyone even andrew berkshire was like yeah weber's not going to score goals no one said 20 goals last year he's a he's a goal scoring defense and he's very very good he's very very tough the i don't know we talked about it i mean we'll we'll drop it right now but basically uh in about two or three years, that deal is going to look worse and worse and worse. But if they win a cup, who cares? Who gives a damn? And with Carey Price

playing like he is, he is breathtaking to watch. Oh my God. And by the way, Alex Radulov is awesome to watch too. It's nice to see him. He's fantastic. He's battling a bug right now, but he's fantastic. And look at that. Look at that. We haven't even talked about Fred's. Do not call Michelle Terry in a bug.

That's not very nice. Oh, how dare you. That is not nice. Andrew Shaw. Montalia's 3-2-1, by the way. 3-2-1, okay. That's kind of symmetrically... Yeah, that was... I kind of like that. There's something pleasing about that.

If it was 3-1-2, I'd be like, eh, something bugs me. So, the Leafs in this one, it looks like... The Leafs in Nashville now. Yeah, Leafs in Nashville. Looks like Holland's going to be a healthy scratch. Not really a shock. Corrado's going to be a healthy scratch.

Oh, look, we're back to normal. And Connor Carrick. That was interesting. Yep. But is it that surprising? No, you would assume a rookie would take a seat at some point, so I'm not ready to freak out about it. I suppose you sort of got to reevaluate Matt Hunwick

because he's kind of just coming back from injury. I get it. But at some point, which I would say we've already reached, but the highest paid coach in the league is going to have to come to the conclusion that this guy doesn't belong in the lineup. It's really that simple. at some point

the highest paid coach in the league Mike Babcock is going to have to come to the conclusion that Connor Carrick deserves to be in the lineup over at least

one of those guys and maybe Frank Corrado too I'll settle on one of them I'll meet you halfway Mike are you saying that watching Matt Hunwick

is not Funwick oh how dare you how dare it's not though this is no longer Funwick it's not though it's not fun well

but it evens out a little bit because apparently Pecorine with an injury day-to-day. So it's going to be I think Martin Mazinitz?

Mazinitz is his name? Mm-hmm. And you know, well, here's the thing. PK, when he comes to Toronto, he turns it on. Oh, power play goal

for sure. Yeah. And I love that about him. I love guys that turn it on in the spotlight. That's entertainment, baby. I love it. I don't.

Because the Leafs are always in the spotlight, man. Okay, so the defense, getting back to the defense for just a second. I felt like, And I could be wrong I haven't looked at the advanced numbers on this

But I felt like Connor Carrick's numbers Or not numbers His play has dropped off In the last 3-4 games He might be beaten up a bit And I I wonder if You know

Of course people are freaking out online Already Because the advanced stats community Loves Connor Carrick Understandably so I don't know what his numbers are The last I checked They were very good

People are freaking out About the fact that he's going to be scratched Now This is a guy that's never played A full NHL season Nope And Has been really great

and has been the Leafs' fourth-best defenseman. On most nights, third, I would say, defensively. He's good. Put it this way, deserves to be in the lineup. Deserves to be in the lineup. I don't see a problem with him just sitting a game and them going, what do we have? Yeah, I'm not going to freak out about it.

It's a home game, to a very least. Let's say you have a weaker parent, you can protect it. Maybe he needs a day off. The Leafs don't necessarily have to announce every time a player is banged up and needs a day off. Media would tell you they do. Well, yes. yeah absolutely uh well and that was again something i learned during that like end of

the season marley's playoff run especially because it was a playoffs like they tell you nothing yeah they even give you like misinformation and then you ask them about the misinformation and they kind of forgot what they told you and then they just kind of throw their arms up and go yeah well he's not playing tonight i had no idea what was wrong with nikita sashnikov kneelander i don't maybe it's i don't know mono maybe it's i don't know maybe he pulled something maybe he's i don't know he's not playing tonight man he's not playing and that's all it was yeah that's all it was so i don't know maybe carrick's fully healthy the leaf should just release not playing tonight don't ask that's what hey connor carrick played later into the spring than anyone

else on the Leafs defense, I can name. Yep. Except for the ones that were Marlies. No, no, he was a Marley. No one else was. No one else was, unless... And the KHL season ends earlier, so it wouldn't have been Zaitsev.

Zaitsev didn't come over. I mean, he had, I think, a tournament in there. He obviously had the World Championships. But you're right. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Carrick was a little banged up. From what you saw, Frank Corrado, how'd he look? I thought he looked fine, man. It's just so...

It's so... It sucks. that the power play goal that ties the game it had to be him taking the penalty and it was frustrating because that one goes in and then and the penalty was drawn uh by Tom Kuhnhakel later in the game Corrado draws a penalty off Tom Kuhnhakel the Leafs can't convert on that and later in the game Sidney Crosby does almost exactly the same thing to Leo Komarov in front of the net no call so it's super frustrating if you're frank corrado i thought he looked fine like the the way they're treating him you'd think he'd be an unmitigated disaster where i think he

walked into it that was a that's a almost can't win game i the more i thought about it the more i was like they shouldn't even show up like it back-to-back nights why did freddie freddie anderson start i mean he did really well but why did you start your goalie in back-to-back situation anderson faced i thought they weren't gonna do that that's what was reported it was reported anderson so there must be enroth there's something going on with enroth oh there's something up there bet the farm by the way i forgot to tweet this bet the farm oh jesse you got to get this up toot sweet so that i can be right because watch the trade happen bet the farm leave sign cari ramo and trade enroth to the flyers who desperately need a goalie right now bet the farm that's what i

think is going to happen is kerry ramo an upgrade uh no well see i've never i it's been so many years since i've seen him in this role right he was kind of the starter in calgary and then he was splitting games then he was the starter again so in a backup role he might be better so they probably didn't sign enroth or didn't sorry trade or um start enroth because they don't want to get injured i don't know and they're waiting for ramo to be done like cleaned up because i know he's coming off that's my assumption like why do you have a backup goalie yeah why do you have a backup goalie okay i mean you usually don't start your backup goalie against pittsburgh but so okay so all of that all of that's playing in here and then we've got

um another move that the leafs made between the last show and this one was the they re-waved seth griffiths or i guess he was griffiths griffiths and who comes to toronto on thursday by the way and people were people again and i say people when i when i say that you know there's a lot of people in the advanced stats community who said if you're keeping ben smith and you're waving seth griffith you're making a huge mistake now to that i ask okay first off i saw gus gus casaros at cats hockey who's been on this show before is a scout knows this stuff say i'm not really that worried about it i've had a look at his numbers i'm not really sure he's an nhler oh griffith yeah he's in a yeah a lot of people are talking about him like he's a

can't miss prospect i disagree i disagree however i don't think you would ever trade griffith for smith one for one one is a 23 year old with a really really good resume at scoring in the american hockey league the other is uh 28 or 29 year old i can't remember ben smith Who's a fourth line depth player On a not very good team Now 28 Do you have

Do you have him in there Because You know He's He wins face-offs Okay Trustworthy guy Listen

I'm not I'm just gonna bring These arguments in Why do all players Who get their teeth Kicked in possession-wise Why are they all Good at face-offs

Now does he Well they're all good At face-offs Have you noticed that Well David Steckle And Yannick Perrault Oh my god they're all good at face-offs

oh what's his face Paul Gostad they're all great at face-offs how? they spend all their time practicing just that I'm just bringing up the other side here just face-offs generally speaking if someone goes yeah but they're good at face-offs

oh no that's where we're starting oh gee Crosby is very good at face-offs you would never start the conversation with Sidney Crosby is good at face-offs fine is Seth Griffith the guy for that role well no and this is the this is the thing but oh so everyone's picking on ben smith who i like ben smith i thought he was really good with the leafs down the stretch actually last year uh i loved him in the american hockey league with the marlies thought he was a

key addition um babcock seems to like him at five on five i think he's a decent penalty killer i feel the same way about matt martin yeah but he's better on the ice than yeah ben smith good guy adonis body i'm sure he works hard in the weight room i'm sure they want that that to rub off on people for sure um and some people a lot everyone seemed to look at this uh look at this as them just them choosing ben smith over seth griffith which is how it was framed both players, you got to wave to send them down. Could have waved Josh Levo,

but they chose not to. Okay, okay, fine. They just signed him to a two-year deal. Clearly they want to keep him. Okay, fine. You know who they didn't have to wave? A guy who they called up because of an injury. Nikita Sashnikov. Now,

has Nikita Sashnikov been so amazing that it was worth it to lose this guy because you didn't have to you did not have to lose this player you could have sent him down you could have sent a few players down

but Sashnikov would have been the most deserving because he was the last one to come up you could have kept this player by sending down Nikita Sashnikov why didn't you? do you care about him that little? if the answer is yes, ok fine maybe that's what they saw

I'm not saying they did maybe there's a reason nikita sashnikov is now up when he was not yeah and i mean well i don't know what that reason could be but to me it's it strikes as that that role the role that seth griffiths plays or griffiths plays um is not a role that's available on the current toronto maple leafs and this is kind of what i wrote about a couple weeks ago the leafs have too many uh they have too many damn wings they have too many guys on the wing um okay you got seth griffith who is a right-handed shot who is a great scorer in the american hockey league at 23 years old and you're replacing him with josh levo who

is a great goal scorer in the american hockey league at 23 years old and are either of those players worth a roster spot over a guy named kisperi kapanen well does one more guy still have to go down i don't think so i think they're okay i think they're okay okay i'm trying to think if anyone was put on ir recently i think that's it because what happened was levo came back up yeah and hunwick came off ir if hunwick is still on ir or if someone is still on ir they don't have to free up that spot how do they not have a deal sorry how do they sorry go ahead go ahead off So that's why they had to lose him How do they not have Levo on a two-way deal?

Got a good agent I don't know All I know is he needs waivers He needs waivers to clear People always yell at me about this It's one of the minutia If he was on a two-way deal He might still have to clear waivers

I think he probably is on a two-way deal But maybe he still has to clear waivers I don't remember I think the rule is not all two-way deals are necessarily waiver-exempt. It's, oh, I just want to watch hockey. So, I don't know. It's not the biggest disaster. I think you could have kept Seth Griffith.

It's also not the end of the world. Is Austin Matthews a bust? Oh, for sure. You know, there have been people out there that said the four-goal game set the bar too damn high for it. Now he can't ever hope to accomplish. Yeah, you said it. You said it. You said it that episode.

I called this so hard. Called this so hard. So hard. The hardest. Well, and comparing Matthews and Laine is just the dumbest thing ever. Would you ever compare Ovechkin and Kopitar? Of course not. They're not the same player.

They're not the same. Would you compare? Ovechkin and Crosby? Well, all the time, actually. Well, all the time, but they're not the same. They're not the same thing. Not even close. Would you say, what's the matter with you?

What's the matter with you? By the way, Line A, I wrote this on theleafsnation.com recently, or on the Nation Network. I'm trying to remember the numbers exactly. But through their first 15 games, Line A had the same amount of goals as Ovechkin did. Wow. And Ovechkin had one more assist and therefore one more point.

Wow. That's the difference. that's pretty cool he's a goal scorer that's what he is Matthews can score goals that's not what he is no it's not what he is he's he's a much more solid two-way player um he's also being asked to basically carry the offensive load yeah and was he not and is he not still second on team scoring I think so and has been behind I want to say Nylander yeah yeah so he's been on this huge slump and he's still there you know what I mean and the Jets uh are just they're further along and they have better vets too who are the Leafs who are the Leafs real good vets up front JVR

okay Kadri counts now I think Komarov's got the one goal JVR and Bozak are on the same line but the Jets have Blake Wheeler man yeah Mark Shifley is now Mark Shifley is like an elite center in this league yeah he's unbelievable when did that happen berkshire was like um actually happened a long time ago um yeah they're not the they're not the same type of player and um the goals are going to come for matthews and i think matthews is actually he's actually encouraging to me because i think he is evidence that fans are actually watching the games because this whole matthews isn't scoring thing it's almost entirely media driven i haven't seen fans talk about it i i haven't seen people freaking out on twitter about it the only thing

i see them freak out about are the headlines well you know why if you're watching the games you're seeing him hit the post oh every freaking game like you're seeing yeah you know what he hits the post, Zach Hyman gets the rebound, buries his first, and everyone goes Zach Hyman! Finally! And he scores the next game. Zach Hyman is on fire! You know what? Bless Hyman

because that's how he scores goals. You do need that type of player, but that's how, that's the difference between Matthews, back on track, and Hyman off the schneid. People were like, oh, is it time to take Hyman off that line?

Is it time? Why? Should we send him down so we can save Seth Griffith? No! Two goals in two games. Woo! Austin Matthews, though. What is he going to play a little bit more like Zach Hyman?

He needs to play a little more hard-nosed. Wait, who is the guy who Jeremy Roenick wanted Crosby to play like? Oh, Jonathan Drouin. I bet Jonathan Drouin is like, I want to play a little more like Crosby, actually.

come on come on and I'm really not I'm not dumping on Hyman I'm just I'm talking about well you are dumping on Roenick oh for sure

deserves it but I'm talking about the difference that a couple inches makes man well and yeah and that's the thing is that

when you look at the the way that line works their scoring chances per game are up there and every time they're on the ice they're making things happen every time

I feel like every time I see them on the ice the only thing I want to do is grab my PS4 controller and start playing like they feel video game like and that was the that was always what was playing the Leafs it was never the Leafs

themselves that felt that way you know what I mean like you when you watch Crosby play it's like I want to play I want to play as Crosby because he's that good he's he's video gamey I I will also say I like Nylander a lot more on the wing yeah I do it's weird he's able to drive play more um I want to quickly mention too speaking of the wing and speaking of young great prospects on the wing Before we go here quickly, Mike Darnay out of Pennsburg, he wrote an article. It was about a week ago, and he sent it to me on DMs. And I meant to bring this up last show, and I forgot. They examined Mitch Marner about a week ago, and he says they found a prospect that is almost as good, if not on par with, Austin Matthews.

I think that's an interesting article, so I'm going to tweet that out after the show. And people have been blasting me online for not posting my prep. I swear to you this time I will post my prep I'll post it, I'll send you some links And that way you can look it up Adam's got, this is his only job Yeah, I really like what Darnay's doing Because, okay

Numbers are important They are a good indicator They're a good predictor But He looked at all of Frederick Anderson's goals At the beginning of the season Before he started to get hot again every single one of them you're right every single one of them and he's like here's why you shouldn't

be that worried well like almost instantly he turned it around a bit so yeah well what about his eight whatever save percentage okay fine but can you can you just can you you know what if you only look at that shot he has a zero percent save percentage and look at yeah and by the way look at his first month last year if you only look at the shot that carry price uh that that goal that Nazem Khadri scored on Carey Price? 0%. On that particular shot, Carey Price had a 0% save percentage.

And what a bum, right? What a bum. Absolute bum. With that moment, we've got to leave you. What a terrible draft choice. We have to leave you on the radio portion. You can download this show at sportsnet.ca or any place podcasts are found, including iTunes.

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How do you feel about Jesse's not here We can't get to the stat right now Because Jesse's picking something up from the mail room We have to talk about that later But first I want to talk about this Honestly how do you feel about arena deals And public funding for them

Well there's an argument to be made That Like who owns most stadiums Like the cities usually Normally not. Normally not. Normally not. Normally it's, I mean, I guess it varies from city to city.

But, you know, for instance, in our case, it was always, you know, Air Canada Center was privately owned. Roger Center was privately owned. Was that any public funding? I think there absolutely was. How come? And that's always been my question. So is it, okay, is the argument it drives the economy? I think there's a lot of arguments to be made for public sports.

Public sporting events dating back to the Roman times and Byzantine and all of those eras and, of course, chariot races in Egypt, ancient Egypt, they were population control. And it's a way for people to get into a place and go, and then relax and go home. And whether that's the Leafs, Raptors, or Taylor Swift. Yes. It gives you focus other than your boring mundane job, which can suck. and a lot of these things arose because there's this energy that human beings have that is, you know, we are still animals, right?

We still have those urges where we need to go and that's why we all like hockey because we can go for three hours and then we're like, okay, I'm good now. I'm exhausted. I'm good. I've yelled at the TV enough. I'm good.

So the argument, I think, for public funding, though I have to say I'm 100% against it, is that, hey, you know, your city, your team, you put money into this. Not only does it secure the team, it secures world-class entertainment, which is how the NHL or the NBA or the NFL, it doesn't matter.

Not only does it secure that for your city, which puts you on another level, it also drives money into the city, drives the economy. People are spending money. What do you, every time somebody buys a jersey, What are you getting? I mean, if you're in Pennsylvania, you don't have this, you jerks.

But here in Canada, we have 15% sales tax. No, it's 13%. 13%. So we buy something. I believe seven of it goes to the federal government, and then six of it goes to the provincial government. I still remember it was somewhere in Pennsylvania. I don't remember where. In 2005.

And I bought a pair of $39 pants for $39. Yeah! It was insane! I don't think they have it in... I've never experienced that before. Is it Nash? is it is it tennessee they don't have it either like income tax is like super low or is there something about national you you keep a lot more than your money i bought some clothes in new york

uh that same trip and it was like two or three dollars tax that's canada unbelievable canada versus the states man yeah but but then we get stuff yes yeah we do get stuff for our money we get stuff like oh never mind no no i'm not gonna get into the politics but here's the thing is that, yes, it's population control. It's putting your city... I'm going to cut taxes and then fix this. Well, wait, what? When I go to Tampa, you know what I'm going to do?

What are you going to do? I'm going to take my parents to a hockey game against the Vancouver Canucks on a Thursday night. And it's going to cost you nothing. Do you want to know how much it's going to cost? So, tickets for the three of you. Ask me what the cheapest ticket for a Tampa Bay Lightning is.

What is the cheapest ticket for the Tampa Bay Lightning? No 12 bucks. 12 to 18 bucks And the best part about it for me is that You're spending $36 To take the three of you to a hockey game I'm going to go a little I'm going to splurge a little

I'm going to splurge a little for my parents I'd like to at least If we're going to sit in the 300s Which by the way in that arena They're pretty good seats You're still pretty close to the ice I want to sit closer to the edge So we can see more of the game

So I might spend 40 or 50 bucks I know. Wow. Crazy. But that's it. I'm going to do it again when I'm in Florida again a month later. I think it's just the the the the argument for public partner or public private spot or ideals like this are that, you know, the public pays in. The problem is, in a lot of these cases, the public pays in and they get no ownership of the building and therefore none of the profits. There have been some recent examples that I can't remember off the top of my head. Atlanta? Yeah, places really getting screwed. They're paying enormous money. I don't have the figures in front of me, but it's enormous, enormous money to replace a stadium,

which is outside, I believe, of the Atlanta area and is really inconvenient. But what they're going to do is they're going to build a subdivision around it or something like that. They're going to do a complex and then a subdivision, and it's not even really in Atlanta. And I think that's the case there. And then there's something with the Texas Rangers where they're going to create a whole sports complex, which is great. But both of these ballparks are not that old. So why are you replacing them? And then it's like the public is – it's not like $100 million, which is a lot of money.

But when we're talking government spending, it ain't that much. We're talking $400 and $500 million, right? We're talking big, big dollars. It's a lot of money. I could get behind publicly funding an arena if you showed me, here's the breakdown of how it's going to benefit the city. Here's the financial breakdown of it. Here's how I could get behind it. The city owns half of the arena.

If the city's paying for half of it, the city owns half of it. And they might not have a say in how it's run, although if you're going to invest in something, you should. That's not very good ownership. You should absolutely, absolutely make profits directly from that. And that's my problem is a lot of these cases, these companies want you to want the public money, but they want no strings attached. So with the Phoenix Arena deal, as I understand it, and again, base level understanding of the Phoenix deal, because it's still pretty brand new and we're still not clear on all the details. Is it Phoenix? It is.

Let me just make 1,000% sure. Do you have to put money in the jar, Adam? By the way, on the Texas deal The city expects to be spending 1.675 billion dollars Over the next three decades To build a ballpark That's very unnecessary

Because they have a good one already That's the Texas deal, right? The Arlington ballpark is amazing Ballpark in Arlington 22 years old, not that old And it's beautiful To me, Texas has one of the quintessentially Baseball-looking parks out there

I love it Now, I'm not a Rangers fan, and I've never been to a game, so maybe any Rangers fans listening, I know you're out there. I don't know how is the ballpark in Arlington. I'm sure it's fine. So here's the deal. The Coyotes have entered into an exclusive negotiation agreement with the Colettis Development Corporation.

They've unveiled a $400 million arena proposal that would require taxpayers to pick up half the costs. Now, this is the direct quote. The public's contribution to the development costs would come from a portion of the sales tax generated by the arena a proposed luxury hotel and a mixed-use commercial development uh at the site as well so i guess you could hold trade shows and that sort of thing there sure um be like a convention center the team floated a similar idea for special taxing a special taxing district

earlier this year but lawmakers told the coyotes to hold off until 2017 now this is the city of tempe and i don't know tempe arizona tempe arizona uh phoenix mayor greg stanton was a little more direct saying building a third professional arena in this market doesn't make sense uh the tempe mayor mark mitchell says to the arizona republic that he hasn't yet spoken to anyone about the city's potential involvement in building the arena so phoenix mayor saying uh no that doesn't make sense uh tempe mayor has not spoken um to me okay fine you want to set special taxing or whatever i still don't see so sorry so essentially the team is set to relocate but neither mayor has said anything? That's what they're saying.

Okie doke. If the Coyotes were to successfully move to Tempe, it would become their third home in the last 20 years. That's a lot of homes. That is. Now, I I love the idea

of the Coyotes finally getting a home to play in. I do. I hate the idea of citizens putting money towards something that there is let's say, okay, so let's say they get this special taxing district.

The developing corporation that puts this arena together, when they build this arena, they can sell it at any time. The way I understand it, and I could be wrong, the way I understand it is that even though it's a special taxing zone, there is no way from that

sale that the people of Arizona get any of their money back. They're just going to have to keep collecting it through their taxes. Well, what about the the arena in Glendale. Well, apparently they're going to do another short-term lease there.

I love the sport part of sports and nothing else. Yeah, Coyotes did sign another short-term lease in Glendale while looking for a new home, and now the team is hoping that they have found one in Tempe. And what happens to the arena the Phoenix Suns play in?

Where do they play? That wasn't an option as well? Well, maybe that's what they were doing. I don't know. maybe that's what they were doing I don't think they play in the same arena currently so this is where I'm sure it's not outfitted properly

that's probably what it is and I'm going to be on Dentalk actually the Coyotes fans podcast on Sunday man they probably can shed more light on it but the point of this I didn't want to get too much into the minutia of the deal because we don't know enough yet

I am physically falling asleep what do you think about how do you feel about public dollars going into literally corporations making now we know that they don't make a ton of money off the arena itself but the idea from a corporate standpoint is to make

money off of the team how do you feel about that it's hard for me it's hard because I get it and yet I think you have the money I think you have the money pay the money you want to own the thing i i mean can i can i go to the government and ask for um a grant for my house that i don't pay back

no why not because you're not generating any generating any revenue at that house you don't know that i work at home i run a business out of my home well nobody's buying millions of dollars worth of stuff at your home mostly not yet not with that kind of attitude why not why not what if i what if i've seen all these dentist's office that people run out of their houses all these businesses baking businesses i sell cupcakes out of my house it's a business i generate money yeah what the hell why can't i do this i'm not asking for hundreds of millions of dollars i'm asking for a couple hundred grand why not why are you being so stingy oh also i keep the house and you get nothing it's weird to me no bank would ever approve of that

well and that's why i mean we make fun of jerry jones but as far as i know i could be wrong on this too as far as i know jerry jones spent a billion dollars and made the cowboys new stadium and got the super bowl and all of that sort of stuff i'm sure there was some public money in there somewhere getting the super bowl but i'm pretty sure he built that just so he could get the super bowl in dallas i feel like and i respect that i respect that let's let's take calgary as an example because i think this was a debate recently and mayor nenshi got involved and he was getting all upset so um let's say they need a new arena now let's focus on a word there need need is the bloody thing is falling down the leaves after 70 years needed a new arena

maple leaf garden after 70 years was like okay it's it's done it's time and by the way it's still there it's okay you won't need a new arena for like at least another 20 yeah but oh it's way behind all the other arenas no no no no no no that means you want a new arena you want an arena that has this that has that that has that but why doesn't someone go okay the 300 million or whatever it is we were going to spend on this new sleeker arena that we don't technically need we could use it but we don't technically need it here's what we could spend it on we could spend it on this service we could spend it on that service you know the giant pothole you drive over every day fucking up your car yeah we're gonna fix that this that that the other

thing like you don't need a new arena unless the bloody thing has fallen down the blue jays could use a new stadium a few years down the line, they don't need it. Raw is falling behind all these other stadiums. Okay, well, let's look at the needs of Toronto, which are many, and how we can

maybe fix those things first. And that's why Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, in their wisdom, and Rogers, in their wisdom, having acquired these different assets, so I'm going to use a couple examples. So, Rogers Centre, the amount of upgrades over the last five years at Rogers Centre has been out

standing there it's amazing it is kind of a new looking park it is from what it was like five ten years ago and the thing with the park is there's nothing wrong with the park you just kind of have to change out the insides and that can be more expensive than building a new park sometimes i've never gone to a jay's game and i've and i've been to so many where i've gone they need a new stadium no it still looks pretty clean and new looks fine now maple leaf sports and entertainment built bmo field with a public partner public private partnership however once they wanted to add all the extra seating that they just added. They said, we're not even going to

bother asking. We're just going to do it. And even though it is still partially owned by the city, they asked the city for nothing. Because the city still owns part of it. And they said, no, we're going to do it. We're just going to put it in there, and it's going to be great. And guess what? They got the Great Cup. They got the Winter Classic.

It's a beautiful, beautiful place. They're using it. Yeah. They're using it, and they're selling it. They're selling the tickets. They knew they could. I don't know nearly enough about this. I just think the idea itself really turns me off. A new stadium or a new arena, nine times out of ten, is a luxury rather than a need. I think.

Again, you got to look at the words. Do you need it or do you want it? And the Coyotes, by the way, need it. Do they? I think they do. I don't know enough about it. Pretty sure they need a home. I'll say that.

They do need a home. But, you look at the needs of the state or the city or whatever, are the needs more there? If I were them, I'd go to the Suns and say, hey man, you guys want a new place to play basketball? Well, the Suns play in downtown Phoenix, right next to the baseball stadium. I don't think the Coyotes have ever been in downtown Phoenix. And I think they'd be a huge draw if they could. That's the problem. Last time I was on Dentalk

They said to me One of the biggest pains about being a Coyotes fan Is how hard it is to be a Coyotes fan It's hard to go to the game I mean we make fun of the Sens Yeah For being nowhere near I respect Coyotes fans for that

It's a drive It's a real drive Especially for fans that were used to them being in Phoenix It's like a 45 minute drive I think I don't know That sounds right It's like the Leafs playing in Oshawa Which I'd be fine with

And then I would be the one who laughs Sorry Sorry man, you're going to have to keep the Generals I'll take them You'll have to stay with the Generals Now, let's talk about this stat Jesse, where'd you find this stat? So

It was sent by Adam Stewart He tagged us all on Twitter It's via Jason from ProHockeyTalk Jason Bro? Bro, yes. I do know what you're talking about. So he wrote, The Rangers have spent a lot of time playing with the lead at 5-on-5.

The Canucks have. Holy God, look at the Canucks! So go through the top five teams. Go through the top five teams. And remember, this is a couple days old. And this is teams playing 5-on-5 with the lead. Sent out November 14th at 2.16pm. so playing with the lead at five on five the new york rangers lead the nhl in 16 games played with

389 minutes wow and 42 seconds wow i had by the way of the montreal canadians who in 16 games uh had the lead for 350 minutes and six seconds so the rangers had the lead for almost 40 minutes more than the half at five on five i bet the reason that is is that 10 nothing game probably through that stat right out the window well because they had to lead for zero percent of that game yeah yeah i guess that's true um then it's another sharp drop washington in 14 games 14 games though uh 327 minutes chicago in fourth at 312 minutes number five in 15 games now this has probably changed though toronto 291 minutes uh really quickly rounding out the top 10 san jose 288 detroit 276 anaheim 272 columbus 271 boston 263 now let's go to some of the have-nots right

new jersey and 20th no no don't go no no no trust me for scale for scale this is too much to remember okay fine bottom five basically 20 of the nhl's 30 teams have had the lead for at least 200 minutes at five on five the bottom five arizona 137 minutes oof carolina who i thought was doing pretty well apparently not 134 minutes philadelphia 122 minutes wow that surprised me philly yeah well because they've scored so many goals they're a high scoring team i'm really surprised but it just shows their defense is not the greatest and we complain about ours but wow Colorado, 117 minutes. Jeez.

And in last, last, again, 20 teams, at least 200 minutes with the lead of 5-on-5. The Canucks have had the lead for 31 minutes and 9 seconds. And if I remember correctly, they've had the lead twice all season, and it was in two games. It was like game 4 against Buffalo And like one of their recent ones I think they beat the Rangers Can you just read the last two for me again

It's actually kind of ironic that they beat the Rangers The number one team in this category And the Canucks are last Second last 117 minutes And 34 seconds Over 14 games Vancouver over 16 games

31 minutes And 9 seconds with the lead At 5 on 5 That is more than a full hour. Yeah. Yeah. Gosh. Oh, they have had a rough season.

Almost a full hour, I think. I don't know. I don't know, Matt. 60 minutes. Hey, look. 60 plus 30 is 90. Yeah. Look, I don't know numbers.

I do know the Canucks are in trouble, buddy. Oh, they're in trouble, buddy. I just, man. Wow. Wow. Wow. And I said to Jesse when I saw them, like, it was, I can't believe they won a game at all with a stat like that. They've won five.

Yeah. I think. Including the first four. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? You know how hard that is? It just doesn't make sense. No.

When you look at it, you're like, you have half an hour of playing with the lead for the whole season. And this isn't like, okay, and Canucks fans going, oh, here they go again. No, at this point, Canucks fans are going, yeah, you're right. Not even, yeah, you're right. This is genuinely astonishing. I think you could be the worst team in the league and still luck into more than 30 minutes. Yeah.

The hell? Yeah. Yeah. The Coyotes have lucked into over two hours, and look at their record. True. Come on. Holy crap, is that terrible.

And they're sitting at 6-9-1, Vancouver. That's not even that bad. That's not bad at all. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. Wow. I wonder how... Wait, they got six wins?

Mm-hmm. However, if you keep that up, if you keep that up, just saying. Solid 10th place finish. Are the Canucks going to get a top five pick this year? I don't know. Wouldn't that be amazing?

Well, didn't they get one last year? Nope. They lost the lottery. Oh, that sucks. I forgot they were the team. Let me think. Were they the team? No, because it was...

No, they might have got one anyway. Because I remember it was Leafs, Jets, Blue Jackets. Calgary was... No, I think the Canucks were ninth, right? Last year's draft went Toronto, Winnipeg, Columbus, Edmonton, Vancouver. Oh, okay. They picked Yolovie fifth? Yep.

Oh, wow. I thought he was ninth. Okay. Well, there you go. Now, before we get to the actual press conference, we want to quickly do an honorable mention to Chris Collingsworth. I don't know if you saw the tweet, but, man, it's great. I don't actually know who he is. I just know he owned somebody.

He is an NFL commentator and basically, you know, talks about the NFL. There's a billion guys that talk about the NFL, right? He's like By NFL standards By NFL talking about I think he's got like 250,000 followers Which is comparatively low

To most guys Who are well known For talking about the NFL Isn't that weird? There's so many people LeBron versus Tebow Who's the better NFL player? Sorry

Hey Skip I know the answer Is Tebow So Bill Simmons tweets You can't come on my show And Chris I think Calls games you know he's part of the calling game stuff

so Bill Simmons tweets this that would make him Chris Collingsworth with an A not an O that's funny that was well done well done Bill Simmons says somebody needs to gently break the news

to Collingsworth that the Pats have a weak front seven and that's why Seattle's O-line looks good to which Chris Collingsworth retweeted with comment and then sadly deleted he said thanks Bill we'll look for you to

we'll look for you gently breaking it down on that hit show of yours oh see that is a burn you know what cause I saw that yesterday and I didn't think it was a burn what's the name of like the number one prospect for the 76ers

Joel Embiid? No the other guy Simmons? Yeah Ben Simmons? That's who I thought it was I'm an idiot I was like why did Ben Simmons tweet him No Bill Simmons Oh that's so much more of a burn I'm like of course he wouldn't have a hit show

He's a basketball player Bill Simmons if you don't know for full context Had a show called Any Given Wednesday On HBO Which lasted a grand total of 6 weeks And it was billed for 24 episodes and they cancelled it Mid season because it was so bad

And people were saying well Bill Simmons made a career Out of ripping people on television and then couldn't do it himself. Now that's what they said. I never saw an episode, so I don't know. Nobody did, apparently. I thought he was a basketball player. Reading some of the responses, though, online are hilarious.

And the thing is, Chris Collingsworth deleted that. Now, do you think he deleted that because he genuinely respects Bill Simmons and didn't want it to be taken the wrong way? Maybe they're buddies. And should he have left it up? I think, generally speaking, you should leave up

tweets that you... I mean, because they're there. They're there now. We know he said it. How do we know what he said if he deleted it? It's out there. Screen grab. I think the only reason you leave it up

is because you genuinely feel bad. I've done that. I deleted something recently about Pecorine, because I just decided to rant about him. He's the reason the Preds were off to a bad start and then i went and looked at his numbers and i went okay pecorino has been bad in the past for sure he hasn't been bad so far this season he's been fine oh shoot he's

definitely not the reason they're losing well it's because i felt bad pk suban is the reason they're losing oh yeah oh absolutely well and not just that the lack of shea weber oh my goodness for sure god and also tarian greater than laviolet um jesse what do you think leave it up take it down the tweet uh i think you can take it down i don't mind you taking down a tweet if you don't feel that way anymore yeah yeah well he obviously feels that way he felt it felt yeah at the moment i don't mind if you take down a tweet it was a damn good burn though that is yeah now let's do the press conference shall we the steve dangle press conference jesse e what other embarrassing things have you done involving nhl players similar to texting garrett sparks oh um

i think have i told my jennifer botterill one before not nhl but no i don't think so no okay so this was in my early days interviewing and I was not good at it I wasn't good at it I can't remember what school she played for I want to say oh man it was one of the schools really famous for their law program

let's say Harvard I don't know and I was trying to frame the question around what was it like going to a school known for something basically more than playing hockey now it's a stupid question because it's completely

ignoring the fact that they have a really good hockey program might have been might have been princeton oh yeah so uh yeah sorry about that i was uh i was completely ignoring the fact that that school also had a really good hockey program but i was trying to be like oh it's known more for lawyers and i realize how shitty the question is in the middle of asking it and so i'm stumbling and I make it even worse and so she just like puts on a screw face like in the middle of it

and just goes are you chirping my school and I was just and she was really sweet about it and knew I was just shit how old was I

that would have been that was before the Olympics I was 21 oh man I sucked man been there shitty she let me down easy

so that was nice unfortunately we gotta wrap this up early because somebody else booked the room directly after us and we're running a little bit over time

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