The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Oct 25, 2016 - Making Waives

Episode Date: October 25, 2016

On this episode, Steve is convinced the Leafs are up to something, Adam describes Steve's Leafs-related trauma, Shannon Szabados talk, and Steve ruins the show because it's short. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. Full Food Checkpoint. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Stuff and things and this will be the shortest Steve Dangle Podcast episode probably in history. I hope you guys are ready to go. No, not in history. In history. In history. You know, we're, we're, I don't even know if we're going to make it,

I don't even know if we're going to make it out of the radio portion of this. We are going to make it out of the radio portion. I'm just reaching into my bag because Steve got sick on my account this weekend. I got sick from you. We made out all weekend. Here, have this Dayquil. I will. It's good stuff.

How many? Two? Two. It's always two. It'll fire you up for eight hours. Good stuff. So, we got a lot to get to, including a really interesting development that involves Shannon Zabros and the fact that Team Canada's goalie, who does not play in the CWHL.

Double gold goalie. She plays for, is it the ECHL? Well, it was the SPHL's Peoria Riverman. It was. It was. And this is a very interesting development. But first, Jesse, did you happen to see Steve's most recent video? There's a lot of poop in there.

Oh, yeah. I said poop a lot. 13 minutes, one take. Yes. Do you think that he was maybe a little passionate about the particular subject of what went down between the Leafs and the Chicago Blackhawks on Saturday night? I think he cared a little. A little. Let me tell you how I ran this down.

Oh, great. I had the guys at the cottage this weekend because I was picking my, I was picking, it wasn't like there was tryouts, it was just I had my groomsmen up there and surprised them and said, hey guys, will you be groomsmen, whatever. Adam invited up some of his best friends, broke a bunch of pool cues and said, boys, we're going to have tryouts. Whoever survived, Steve survived. So we're watching the game Saturday night, we get into the last three minutes of the

game, and of course the Leafs are up 4-2, you think that's safe, nuh-uh. Not when it's the Toronto Maple Leafs. Now, we all know what happened. We all have lived that too much. But I think the interesting thing that you need to take away from this is what happens to Steve when they lose, and they lose like that. There was a couple things that went down, as in Steve throwing his phone across the room.

I did throw my phone. I've broken my phone once ever, and it's because I accidentally knocked it off the nightstand one time. I'm amazed the amount that I throw my phone on account of the Toronto Maple Leafs. I've never broken it because of them And you have an OtterBox And that's probably a good thing Because those things are tough

Do not cheap out on your phone case, kids Ooh, I'm going to get this Hello Kitty one That costs $20 Invest another $40 Get a $60 phone case That looks like a brick And it is It is a brick

But not only that Get a $60 James Reimer figure as well It ruined Steve's night Like it was a way It was the craziest thing. A night of celebration. Right. A night of merriment.

Absolutely. And it took a couple hours of Steve watching Call of Duty Zombies. Not playing. Not playing, because he wouldn't play. He was too mad. It was watching Call of Duty Zombies for you to cheer up again. You were legitimately upset by this. Crushed.

Now, watching the video the next day, I'm glad that you had a couple days to think about it, to feel better about it. But I do want to run through a couple Steve Dangle triggers, okay? Okay, okay, I'm interested. The first trigger is, Steve, the Leafs clearly keep blowing the lead because it's Frederick Anderson's fault.

Just, my chest just tightened up. Adam, Adam! Everyone! Watch the... Now I'm in an interesting spot. Because... I've been screaming about the numbers for so many years, but I watch the games.

Believe it or not, I watch the games. Frederick Anderson's letting a few stinkers. The third goal against Chicago sucked. It was a huge rebound. He cheated too much. I didn't like it. I didn't like the first goal against Ottawa. How'd you feel about the fourth goal against Toronto?

Chicago-Toronto. I mean, he's got the modern-day equivalent of Scott Niedermeyer and Chris Pronger on the ice. The greatest defensive pairing, literally the worst defense pairing the Leafs could possibly ice without dipping into the minor league system. Actually, even if they had done that, how did Matt Hunwick and Roman Polak end up on the ice at the same time? That's not a pair. That's not a pair.

And then, well, they were punished for being on the ice during the game-tying goal and allowing Jonathan Taves and Marian Hossa behind them. wrong! They were on the ice killing a penalty in overtime! Hey, Steve, they killed it. They killed me, too. They killed me, too. And then I got people

that were tweeting like, oh, and see what he did on those shootout goals. See how Frederick Anderson played on those shootout goals. Since when do you care about numbers or anything when it comes to the shootout? Goalie technique in the shootout. We've all agreed that it's just a carnival

act. Yeah. That you somehow magically get a point for? Ah, the point system in the NHL is stupid anyway. The Leafs have won one out of five games. Guess what? 500 hockey club. It's great, isn't it? They win tonight.

They'll have two wins in six games above 500 hockey club. There you go. It's great. There you go. Great. Here's the second Steve Dangle trigger. Are you ready? Yes.

Well, they're young. They're going to make mistakes. Yeah, yeah, that whippersnapper Roman. Yeah, that whippersnapper Matt. Oh, my God. I didn't like Marner on the third goal either. But come on. Come on.

Their young guys are their best players. The Leafs seem to be demonstrating it day after day. Milan Mihalic's no longer on the team. Well, that was an interesting development. We'll get to that. Actually, do we know if he went unclaimed? He did pass through waivers. He was reporting to the Marlies.

Which is a surprise to nobody. Well, of course he did. Who's going to take on $4 million of Milan Mihalic? Yeah, I was trying to figure that out today at the Leafs morning skate. Nobody's taking that. And they knew that. They knew that. All the teams, there are a bunch of teams you could look at and go,

Carolina, Ottawa, New Jersey. I'm just trying to think of some of the teams there on capfriendly.com because I was perusing that site today. Those are cash-poor teams, though. So they have the cap room, but they have it for a reason. They can't spend to the cap. I wonder, can you pay for a team to take your cap space on But pay for the actual dollars and cents

Of someone's contract No that doesn't make sense That would be amazing if you could That sounds like cheating That also sounds like financially A trickle down effect right Am I right Rich helping the poor

Ronald Reagan anyone I'm not smart enough I didn't get a good enough sleep last night Because I was up with a dry cough So I'm not smart enough to think right now But isn't that sort of what the Leafs did with Matt Fratton I think it might sort of be They, well, they took him back.

Yeah, I guess they did. Let's ask Tom. Oh, wait. We can't. He works for Vegas now. Lassie Wegman properly. Property. Property.

Property. So the two storylines that have emerged so far this season that I hate, oh, hate so much are Freddie Anderson not being good enough. Look, he hasn't been incredible. But like, you might have missed it because you were too busy listening to me scream. But they talked about You know what It'd be nice to get

A spectacular save Every now and then Of course it would be You know what It'd be nice If like Everyone just had The hands of TJ Oshie

In a shootout At all times It'd be nice if Roman Polak got a hat trick One of these days It'd be nice Wouldn't that be great It'd be nice if

Mitch Marduk could hit And fight like Milan Lucic You know what It'd be great If Richard Panik Was still a Leaf If Ips and Butts

Were candy and nuts The Leafs wouldn't be 1-1-3 It'd be nice if we had enough time to record a full podcast Yeah, we'll talk about that Should I just apologize now? Yeah, I think, well, let's hit it I had to go to the Leafs morning skate Had to

Had to, had to fill in Had to ask some questions And then Adam and Jesse Who don't seem to be as eager to accept They're part of the blame Have a meeting at 1.45 Well, that's not our fault And we did offer

Oh, I wasn't aware of doing my job was my fault. I wasn't aware that you couldn't stick around for four hours. We did say we would do it after the work. Four hours? Seven. Seven, Jesse. But with your friends. But with your friends. I mean, you're just a little sick.

You guys are. What a bunch of friends you guys are. Well, okay, so Milan Mihalic is gone. Colin Smith, let's talk about Colin Smith, because obviously here's what's going to happen. Ben Smith. Colin Smith is also on the Marley. Before we get to Ben Smith, actually,

You have to assume, and I've seen it put a few places, that Milan Mihalic, they're going to try to trade, but they'll have to retain on him. Now, I asked reporter Chris yesterday, what kind of a risk would that be? And he's like, it's not really a risk at all. They're only retaining on Kessel, and Milan's contract's up at the end of the year.

Right, so for those of you that may or may not forget, you get three salary retention spots, and I believe the Leafs are only using one. And this one will expire at the end of the year. So if they want, at the deadline, they could even retain salary again. On another player, yeah. Brooks-like, perhaps. Yeah, absolutely.

And of course, the Leafs probably don't want another $4 million winger in the minors. This was the problem, right? So we kind of saw this at the beginning of the season. So JVR, Bozak, Marner. Do we like that line? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that'll do. That'll do.

Working out some bugs, that'll do. Hyman with Matthews and Nylander. Mostly satisfied with that line? Arguably the best one. You know what? Hyman's clearly holding them back because he only has one assist. Oh, what a bum. And it was in the first game.

What a bum! Does he actually only have one assist? I think he's got like one point, yeah. I would like to know how many goals the other team doesn't have because of Zach Hyman. And then we looked at the top. No, no, okay. Let's not skip. The fourth line was Martin, Holland, Brown.

You could do worse for a fourth line. You know what, I've actually been sort of impressed with him, but the person I've been impressed with is Connor Brown. The most, for sure. And Peter Holland hasn't been bad. And Matt Martin has been, I mean, Matt Martin, right? He's been exactly what you expect him to be. Yeah, and I wouldn't say a tremendous liability.

He drew a penalty, too. That was good. And it was a retaliation penalty. That's why you have a guy like Matt Martin. Matt Martin can play. He can actually play. He can play. Is he being paid too much?

I don't know. And then there was a top line, the supposed top line. Komarov, he was an all-star last year, 19 goals, sure. Nazem Khadri, that's your number one center for now. Yeah, sure. And Milan Mihalic. And I remember we even said on the show, what is this? What is this line exactly?

Yeah, and I didn't think Milan Mihalic played that bad through the first three games. He's got a goal. Not that many Leafs have a goal. Most of them belong to Austin Matthews. Yeah, or William Nylander. Yeah. Or the assist as well.

So he had that one nice banging goal, but once you take him off that top line, what is he he's a four million dollar fourth liner and then all of a sudden you got like a i think that's a seven or eight million dollar fourth line between holland martin and that is an expensive fourth line wow yeah i think if you're using them great if you're not uh yeah this is what you do and the second anyone gets hurt you call them up you call them up put them through waivers again and maybe someone claims them um and you don't worry about that because You've got Ben Smith, Josh Levo, and Seth Griffith that can jump in wherever you want.

So Ben Smith played with the Leafs last year. They obviously reclaimed him. And the Marlies, yes. What was the point of reclaiming him? Now, that was interesting. His possession numbers are awful, but I loved him as a player. I loved watching him on the Marlies. I thought he was a really good player down there.

Obviously, advanced stats are kind of hard to come by down there. He had six points in 16 games with the Leafs during their probably worst stretch, and he was playing depth minutes, so I thought that was pretty impressive. Now, I think what a lot of people have said is part of the reason Seth Griffith hasn't played yet, remember that little guy?

Claim him off waivers? Part of the reason he hasn't played yet is Babcock likes his players to be really, really, really familiar with his systems. Which makes sense. I mean, look at Frank Corrado. Look at how long it's taken him. Yeah, yeah, jeez.

I don't know how to explain that this year Smith is a guy you can Hopefully just plug in and play So you plug in Or Levo If I'm not mistaken it seems as though Connor Brown has worked his way up Onto the Kadri Komarov line

Barring any switch around Well and people forget When Brown had I think it was 6 points in 7 games Last year It was mostly with Kadri Playing with Kadri if I'm not mistaken And now you got a top line of It's nice that Komarov has the versatility

That they can put him on the left And you got Kadri and Brown Now we got a line where You know I haven't hated Kadri's game But like how's he going to put up any points Every time I looked at that line I was like how are they going to put up any points I need more out of Komarov

I'm not going to lie I need more out of the both of those guys But I think Brown is going to give him a nice kick in the rear Well he's young he wants it And he's got some finish, and I think that's what, you know, Milan Mihalic at one point in his career, I think, did. It's still there. He's an NHL player.

Sure. The Leafs are sending down an NHL player who makes too much money. That's Brooks-like, too. That's an NHL player, I think. I would say Komarov has some finish in him, too. Oh! Because Finland! Wow.

Because Finland! Jesse Blank, damn. Quiet all episode, then coming in with a banger. Nice. You should just walk out and leave. George DeSantis style right now. So does Smith play on the fourth line? Connor Brown moves up tonight against Tampa Bay?

This is the confusing thing now, because Levo's practicing with the team. The Leafs are on the verge of something. They have to. They have to. Because they have their eight defensemen. They just have them, right? If one of them gets hurt, you don't have to call anyone up.

You'll still have another spare. It's clear that they're not doing so great. Even though Marley's defensive depth is not staggering, it's okay. It's adequate right now. But, like, what does Valley have projected to be? What does Louvre project to be? Project to be. What Justin Holl.

Andrew Nielsen I look at and I go, this guy could be a full-time Leaf by the end of the season. But, again, young. This is his rookie year as a professional. Travis Dermott's his rookie year as a professional and then you look down the Marley's depth four lines of assassins with guys like Timoshev

getting scratched at times which is a great situation to be in but when you look at the Leafs too and you got this logjam now of Smith and Levo and Griffith the obvious thing seems to me at some point forwards will be traded for either centers

which I mean you can never have too many of or defensemen but it's kind of early in the year to be doing that yeah yeah it's the Leafs are on the verge of something I don't know what it is but I look at this and I go okay something has to give they and they clearly think so too because when was the last time the Leafs claimed two people off waivers in the same month that's a good question I can't think of it well and it seemed it speaks to a team that seems to be wanting to um add depth at a forward position that they already have a lot of depth at. So that's a little bit like someone's leaving.

It looks a little bit like that. I mean, I'm not saying that it is, but it looks to be that way. I'm going to go with they're not too convinced that Joffrey Lubel's coming back anytime soon. Is that a fair assumption? I think that would be a fair assumption. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, I get that.

I get that. Something, something, something. Will Seth Griffiths, will he play soon? How long do you think, like, how long does it take to be acclimatized to Babcock's system? I don't know. I don't know. I wish I could tell you, Adam. But no one knows anything about this damn team.

Isn't that amazing? Yeah, it is. It is. Because it used to be just a big leaky ship that all the information got out. Oh, my God. Yeah, whoops, I dropped something. Whoops, I'm just going to walk away from it now. So perfect world it for me.

Because what The Leafs needs now are They need defensive prospects They need Not Matt Hunwick Yeah they need NHL quality They need a top 4 D-man Without losing a top 4 D-man

And how do you get that? Well there's got to be some team out there That's got the alternate problem So I think I saw on Twitter that The Ducks were heavily scouting the Leafs I don't know if there's anything to that But Carlisle connection

knownness connection now here's the problem there's no one left there's basically no one left the biggest name I can think of is JVR

the Ducks reportedly are looking at getting rid of Fowler so I wonder if there's your answer right there is he a good answer

he's not an ideal answer it's a puck moving defenseman he can generate offense not so much with the defense which

is a problem it's no they're not going to make that move They're not going to do that. Yeah, and I look at Levo and what he could bring to the team. There's another guy who's, that's an NHL scorer. Defender?

Ducks could use that. Ducks could use, oh, okay, I see what you're saying. Because I'm talking about how he fits on the fourth line. Right, I think the Ducks could use something. A depth scorer? Sure, cash poor team. Absolutely, why not? Could be something there.

What about one of the guys they already, like, not Cam Fowler? Lynn Holmes not getting moved. Well, that's... Make peace with that. Now, that's fine, but is that necessarily true? According to Travis Yost, yes. Right, but how many general managers have said, Mark Pergevant, that a player isn't getting moved, and then they move the player?

Yeah, and also opinions change. Yeah. It could be, I will never trade him. I'll give you Sidney Crosby for him. Here he is right now. Trading them. So it's apparently they're $250,000 apart on a six-year deal. Anaheim and Lindholm.

It's nothing. Oh, well, $250,000 times six, I guess. Is a lot. On a cash-poor team. Yeah. That's a million and five. If you start dangling a first-round pick for a guy like that. Don't dangle a first-round pick.

Now, hear me out. Jesse. Hear me out. The face Jesse just made. Hear me out. Okay. I'm just spitballing here because I don't know what the right answer is. And I don't particularly have an opinion on it either.

But if you have a Trouba or a Lindholm that are available, and you know that these are young stud defensemen for the next eight years, and they are within the same age bracket as your Morgan Riley, Austin Matthews window. When a defenseman, say the Leafs finish 20th this year. So are they going to get a defenseman in the draft that's going to be able to step onto the team right away? No, he's going to spend a couple years in the CHL, and then he's going to get up there.

Optimistically. Optimistically. Like, God, we'd be lucky if he gets to his second contract. Like, we're talking about... Because that's just what the draft is. Optimistically, Nielsen or Dermott can step in next year. That's optimistically. So that's what I'm saying.

If you can guarantee that you get a great player for a chance at a great player. That's literally, you're trading a chance card for a guarantee. Yesterday, I actually allowed myself to think, what if we could work out a deal where Hunwick goes to the Ducks? And then I got upset at myself because, no, that's just not going to happen, Steve. It's just not.

Is it possible? Sure. With this management group, that they'll do that? I think so. I think, okay, you get Hunwick, who's a cheap defenseman, left-handed, replaces Fowler in your lineup right away. But you're not trading your first round pick

for Fowler. You're not. No. Levo, there's a prospect, and you can throw in a pick, too. I think, now, a pick is pretty broad. Is it a first-round pick? Is it a fourth-round pick? Oh, the Leafs have three seconds that aren't theirs.

I'm pretty sure. I think they have two of San Jose's and one of Ottawa's or Washington's still. Okay. They have San Jose second, Ottawa second, but those are our conditions. It might be a San Jose second in 2018 or a third. There are conditions on it. But the Ottawa second is there.

What about the Washington one? Or did they use that? The Washington one's gone. Okay, so they used that. Wow. They got a lot of seconds kicking around. Look, it's possible. I think it's possible.

It also doesn't solve much, but it'd be an upgrade, I think. I don't think Cam Fowler is a fit. See, we went from me throwing my phone and I hate this team and why does this team always do this to me to, hey, what if they traded just a bag of Legos for a young player.

The great thing that they've done is what's the premium thing that all NHL teams want? The Stanley Cup. Well, yeah. In players. What do they want? A young right-hand defensemen. Yeah, and young, skilled

forwards, right? They want skilled forwards. Centers specifically, you're right. Absolutely right. Right-handed defensemen, right-shot D, and centermen. They have a lot of people in the system. They have a lot of young scoring forwards, and the thing is that they've got more coming up.

There's more! What's Jeremy Bracco doing right now? Jeremy Bracco is currently 5th in OHL scoring, I believe, and the only reason he's not higher is because he hasn't played as many games. Nikita Korostelev is... Who was a seventh-round pick, I believe?

Yeah, seventh-round pick from two years ago, I think. Tied for third in OHL goal scoring. Brendan Leipzig leads the American Hockey League in scoring. Kasperi Kapanen was the AHL Player of the Week last week. And then, like I said, Timoshev is a scratch on some nights. Jesse, can you bring up the Maple Leafs statistics? Do you have them? Just their scoring statistics.

Sure, yes. Do you have it? Yeah. Okay. Who's the, just to make everybody feel better. Yeah. Who's the leading scorer? Leading point getter.

For points? Points. Austin Matthews. How many goals and assists? He's got five goals, three assists. What a puck hug. Gross. So that's eight points in how many, five games?

Five games. But he's no Richard Panik. Now, who's number two on that list? That was a joke. William Nylander. Really? What's he, run through his stats. He's got three goals and four assists.

Interesting. Interesting. That's seven points in five games. Next player. Jake Gardner. Oh. Yeah. Wow.

Jackie Gardner. What does Jake have? He's got four assists. Just flat four. That's it. See. Just flat four. Just a flat four.

Four on the floor. I honestly think that top three right there, that's pretty good for the future, right? So you have to, if you're worried about giving up prospects, I understand that. If you're worried about giving up draft picks, I understand that. However. It's at the point where I'm not worried. I'm not worried. They have so much.

They have so much. They have too much. So would you be willing to part with a top-line prospect for a top-line defenseman? It doesn't necessarily have to be top-line, I don't think. Because we're not talking about... What about Trouba and Lindholm? You know what? You've got to give that up for Trouba.

And maybe Lindholm. You don't have to give that up for Fowler. No. See, you want Trouba. I know, but I'm not letting myself think that. Team's in a position where you don't need Cam Fowler You need Trouba You know what my stupid little Leaf fan brain

Is thinking right now Remember when the Leafs signed Roberts and Corson Just BLAM No Roberts and Neuendijk I thought it was Corson too Maybe I'm wrong It was Roberts and Corson right

And then Neuendijk signed later And then Roberts and Neuendijk signed in Florida later That's right And they just BLAM take that NHL and I just wonder you know Leafs

oh we're slow out of the gate but we're a young team and we're working hard blam we got Trouba and Lindholm dunking on ya

it's just my stupid little brain if that happened you'd have to have you know the Vince McMahon gif where he's walking out

and the fireworks are going up you'd have to have the Leafs with a Brendan Shanahan but you know that's the thing

I mean if you You don't want The thing that gets me Is everybody on Twitter And I think this happens That gets me too What happens with players

That have been with the team For a long time People sort of fall out of love Like people fall out of love With JVR But JVR Kadri Kadri especially

People fall out of love With JVR Or have fallen out of love With JVR Because JVR Is what JVR is And by the way He's still a premier

Power forward in this league Yeah Because the definition Of power forward has changed And he's been on the worst teams that Toronto has iced in basically its history

and yet every year he seems to put up 55, 60 points. You will not disrespect the 100th greatest Maple Leafs of all time. I'm just saying that guy

is not a guy I want to give up. I don't want to give up Jake Gardner. I don't want to give up Jake Gardner. We need to add to the team and that means

subtracting from the system at this point. And you know what? And the other thing is the part that makes me laugh is that you know Babcock talking about Makes you laugh?

Makes you laugh Makes me laugh About the Maple laughs The thing that makes me laugh is that people are like Well it's a young team But they got some veteran presence The veteran presence isn't that good It's really not

And even the veteran presence isn't that old So if we can get rid of some of these guys The Milan Maholics of the world, good Because the younger players are better anyway Feels bad to say that though Because like It's a good spot to be in though These are

That's nothing against Milan Mihalic No Nothing I hope players around the league Look at this And realize it's a business decision I think they do

Because Like You talk about Brooks like Oh The Capitals seem to love him Capitals fans seem to love him And this is what's happening to him Yeah

I hope he's being treated well I don't think I assume he is They're not going to treat you poorly No It's just No but like He didn't even play

Like I think he just played His first Marlies game Because I think Again, they're trying to figure something out. They're trying to figure something out. It's very interesting. I think something will happen before Christmas.

Because it just seems like something's going to give. Ladies and gentlemen, Steve Dangle's bold prediction. Something. A source told me. Will have E3. E3 confirmed. Maybe an E4. Camp Fowler wears number four.

Illuminati confirmed. When we come back, we actually have to talk about a very interesting thing that happened in the SPHL? SPHL. SPHL. Southern Pro Hockey League. But a name that you would know if you watch the Olympics,

especially Team Canada, Shannon Sabados. Whoa. We will talk about her next on the Steve Dangle Podcast. By the way, well, first off, we should mention

that we're going to talk about how Team Canada's Olympic goaltender was cut after two games in the SPHL a couple days ago, which is a very weird situation. Steve's got a little bit of insight on that, but first I do want to mention

Mike Darnay, our boy from Pittsburgh, Yes, I forgot to mention in the last segment. He went through every single goal, not including tonight's game in Tampa Bay, every single goal that Frederick Anderson has let in and makes a very compelling argument that it ain't his fault. Well, and I love that his eyes match mine. Okay, yes, numbers, great, fine.

But I probably said it during the game, Adam. I probably screamed it a few times. He's aggressive, eh, Anderson? he plays uncomfortably out of the paint and I don't know if that's the Leafs telling him

it's better than Vesitaskala who basically played inside of the net before he was saving it it was half the line but that's what Lungfist does though

he plays deep in his net I think certain styles yeah he's kind of good certain styles fit certain goalies but Anderson like he like

jumps out at the puck right which is fine if you stop it and there's no big rebound right way too aggressive way too close to one side

on the goal where I think it was the 4-3 goal against Chicago big juicy rebound that's in the back of your net didn't get help but he put the rebound out there so let's talk about Shannon Zabados yeah let's talk about it

what happened? she was cut from her SBHL team so okay she broke the gender barrier basically others will argue it was man on rayon okay fine But Shannon Zabados was playing Professional hockey league

In a men's professional Sorry Adam gave me a cold Shannon Zabados was playing professional hockey In a men's professional hockey league Last year Called the SPHL Which is I guess right about on par

With the ECHL Maybe a step below it Scott Darling started in the SPHL Well he didn't start there But he was there at one point And he just beat the Leafs the other day. Oh, like that's hard to do. Shut up.

I'm telling a story. So she was looking for a team again this year. And she's back. She joined the Peoria Rivermen, who I believe used to be in the American Hockey League. Peoria. Featured prominently in Family Guy. Yes. Also, Peetoria.

Right. Famous country that Peter Griffin made when he seceded from the United States. and she was Shannon Zabados double gold medal winning goalie for Canada's women's team

was cut now this is weird because it wasn't it was not just her that was cut it was not so let me let me read

from theicegarden.com now if you're like what the heck is that theicegarden.com is a basically a women's hockey site on SB Nation

so the Rivermen who finished at the top of the league during the regular season last year lost by a margin

of 11-2 in a pair of games against the Huntsville Havoc Havoc Zabados played once in relief of Storm Phaneuf what a name

is that any relation to Dion? and what the WHL team no apparently it came from the queue on October 21st I don't know if there's any relation to Dion allowing two goals

in that appearance the following day she let in three goals on nine shots in her first start for Peoria before getting yanked in that contest

But Phaneuf, an SPHL rookie, was also cut from the team, according to the Journal Star. I guess that's Peoria Journal Star. Also gone from the team is top defender Carl Nielsen, who indicated to the team that if Zabados was leaving, he was too. He has been indefinitely suspended by Peoria. I told him we were letting her go, and he said he would like to stay with the team and really liked it here. Riverman head coach Jean-Guy Trudel told the Star Journal.

he talked to shannon and then came back in and said he decided to leave with her now this is the sentence i want you to pay attention to we wanted to keep carl and we would also be willing to accommodate him with a trade but he wants to play wherever shannon plays so both are gone so is it just me is it just my conspiratorial mind where i just can't give any coach the benefit of the doubt apparently does he seem to be implying something that they're dating yeah yeah he seems to be implying they're dating because she's like fully married i i'm just saying that was the impression that was my first impression when i read that or they're really really good friends although that i mean that that's my assumption but that's

hockey you have good friends that get or maybe she convinced him using logic hey so this coach is crazy and cut both his goalies after two games. Which I honestly think is the case. Yeah, I think that might be the case. I mean, it wasn't even against two teams. Like, you're not even seeing a variety of shooters.

You had two bad games against the same team. And now, Shannon Zabados is a free agent. I mean, good for her. She's a free agent. Do you think the NWHL and the CWHL are like, yes! Are they jumping on this one? No, I don't think so.

I don't know if any NWHL team can afford her. What does the highest paid player in the NWHL make? I think it would say on the website around $25,000. It might be a little bit more than that. And at this point, I think most of the rosters are filled out. Now, there was more on this, and I haven't had a chance to read it yet. On todayslapshot.com, a friend of the show, Kate Cimini, was writing about it. And she actually reached out to Zabados and I think Nielsen as well.

Very interesting story. I think it's interesting the way the coach put it. Because he could have said nothing at all, and yet he chose to say that. Yeah, and maybe that's not quite the way he meant it. But I'm just saying, reading it cold, the first thing I thought was, is he implying what I think he's implying? Which, to me, speaks to intention. But I don't know.

That speaks to, he wanted... Gary Roberts and Joe Neuendijk had to answer these questions. Rightly or wrongly. They've never had to. I don't know enough about the situation, but my thinking is if a guy is crazy enough to cut two goalies after two games against one team, then he's probably of a mind that he has the same filter as Donald Trump. You know what I mean? That to me Although there is no logic or reason or proof to that

There just seems to be an association there That would be hard to ignore And I feel like For a coach to do that You could question that coach's actions Then I think you can also question What the coach says publicly Because I don't know that

We don't know that that's the case Or his willingness to stick up for a player Or stick by anybody You had two bad games, goodbye That's a real loyal coach. Yeah. Jeez. I mean, you can have two bad games.

Amanda Kessel, $26,000. $26,000. Right. So we were about right. Wow, and that's Amanda Kessel, too. So I would assume Shannon Zabados would command about the same. Well, yeah, you'd hope. Can anyone afford that?

I don't know. If I'm an owner of one of those teams, I'm making room. I'll tell you that much. I don't know the ins and outs there. Yep. I'm telling you, I'd make room. If we had time, and I didn't screw up the show today, we could call Cage.

You didn't screw up the show. Yeah, well, you know what? We'll monitor the situation. It's very, very interesting. So I wanted to follow up on a couple things. Okay. First off, do you remember that big, long letter that was written by the doctor about P.K. Subban

in the Montreal Gazette? Oh, sorry. I'll throw out one more thing about Zabados. Sure. Sorry, sorry. There's been a ton of injuries so far in the NHL. Some in the AHL, too. ECHL

anyone there looking for a goalie there was a campaign in the summer Zabros to the ECHL I think let's start it again that'd be nice I'm sure someone

will give it a try PK Subban so no doubt you've heard but I did want to follow up on that story and say that the Montreal Children's Hospital

announced Dr. Charles Kowalski who was the guy that wrote the letter Kowalski just the way you said it Kowalski

sounds like a cop with a heart of gold we'll make a $250,000 donation to PK's Helping Hands at the hospital. Wow. So he...

That's a guy with bank. Yeah. Yeah. That is bank. He spent a lot of money on that ad. So this has cost him, I was looking at it,

it's like, it's cost him about $275,000. Yeah, thereabouts. Which is a lot of money. That's a lot of money. That's after tax, Quebec tax dollars, by the way.

Are they higher? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quebec is like, I believe they're one of the highest taxes in the land.

In the land? In Zealand, but you don't have to pay for university and stuff like that. Also the lowest minimum wage in the country, I believe. Really? Yes. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so I found it interesting, too, to watch the Montreal fan reaction to that. And you're still seeing it come up because there is the group of fans who I believe Andrew

Berkshire is the tribal leader of where it's like, yeah, good on them. Good on them. And then you've got the ardent hardcore fans Who I would say are a little bit more conservative That are like They would be like America If they were Americans

But in this case They're like Abiton And no matter what the team does They're like You gotta support the team Let's blindly follow Now it's funny you should say that

Because the other day I tweeted I think the two most level-headed fan bases So far this season About their teams Have shockingly Shockingly Been Leafs and Habs fans You know why?

Why? Both teams have a lot of hope surrounding them. But the Habs are like 5-1 or something. Killing it. Off to a just a... 5-0-1. Wow! So they're a 1,000 team.

We're a 500 team, they're a 1,000 team. Exactly, exactly. Forget the fact that they're not. Or that it's one, just one. Forget the fact they added the best player in the NHL to their roster. Well, yeah, best goalie anyway, for sure, for sure. And then Radulov, and that's very interesting. If we had more time, we could get into it, I'm sure.

but yeah I think Habs fans have actually been very level headed so far this season Weber scored his second last night I think and they weren't like

yeah we're Schumann second I haven't seen too much of that I did see on the Sportsnet ticker yesterday a very interesting little stat

and I think you would have loved it it was Montreal Shea Weber leads team in plus minus and he's a plus eight

and then it goes comma PK Supanza minus four But that's not the fan base I just thought that was hilarious That's somebody trying to start a fire And god bless the person that wrote that

And put it on the ticker because that's funny Oh hey I mean that's kind of your job in TV right Yeah Start a conversation And I think it's funny Sometimes you gotta avoid that But other times I think it's your Your job

Almost to make the viewer go Oh screw off No way. Why? Why? And, I mean, there's also going to be people who see that and go, see? But, surprisingly, they're just kind of, isn't it nice? They're just kind of content with their team's nice start.

Just nice things going on in Montreal. I think, you know what? I'll throw this out there. Habs fans deserve this. The fans do. The fans do. They deserve this nice start. They deserve it.

They had a hard summer. They did. But it does mean that we are rewarding, at least in my mind, still, a lot of bad mistakes. Well, are they mistakes to the top team in the league? Or the top team in the league. The other thing we have to mention is that Vancouver just lost its very first game. Yeah, so this has been the funny thing. Habs fans just kind of content, like, oh, this is a really nice start.

Sure am glad to have Carey Price back. Radulov's been good. And then you got Oilers and Canucks fans going, yeah! Talk now, Dangle! Where's the segment on the Canucks where I'd start, Dangle? McDavid, Dangle! Yeah, two very different

groups of fans despite similar results. Well, and I loved on I don't know if you saw Hockey Night in Canada well, you did, on Saturday night but Don Cherry on Coach's Corner was like and I love that Eric Gustafson! He meant Goodbranson. Everybody was Gustafson.

Yeah, and Frederick Gustafsson on the Leafs. Everyone from Europe says Gustafsson. Those Gustafsson twins on the Canucks are really... Man, they've been around a long time. But, you know, I mean... I love that Jaramir Gustafsson. Hats off to the Canucks. I mean, they've had a really, really good start.

I still think that here's the deal. There are teams... Let's... Oh! Let me just bring one up. Uh-oh. Who was first place at the end of October last year? It was probably Montreal.

Who was first place at the end of November last year? Might have still been Montreal. Who was first place after December last year? I don't think it was Montreal. They would have been probably top three, though. They were close. I think it was Tampa. And then...

They started going tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. And then what about January? Yeah, well, tick, tick, tick. Now... February. Now, though, Adam, they lost Carey Price for the year. Yes. and i can't help but look at this like part of me wants to just look at the habs and go oh they're

off to a nice start you know what no that's good for them they deserve it they were on a tear last year the other part of me is like at what point does this stop and what causes it to stop carrie price looks fine yeah i think barring injury like i was kind of wishy-washy like i was saying tampa's gonna make the playoffs panthers probably make the playoffs um and they've been battling some injuries so that's rough and then the third spot i said was wide open no no no that's montreal's montreal's making the playoffs like there's no question they have the best goalie in the world what happens what utter destruction to the online world happens if they do it if they do the thing oh my god well and it what makes me laugh is that it'll be it will be for so many

people a nail in the coffin of the advanced stats world oh yeah because the proved you wrong to which i would say well the advanced stats community never said that carrie price was a bad goalie or that montreal no even berkshire's like the habs made the biggest addition of the offseason which was they got their goalie that's right now with vancouver holy smokes with vancouver Do you actually see this continuing? No. I don't either. I don't either.

You know, the Sedins are magic. They are bloody magic. You know, Erickson's not a bad player either. That contract's a bit of a mess, but he's not a bad player. And I think it's great. It's so great. I don't remember which goal or which game it was, but Brandon Sutter got a big goal for them.

And I just can't help but picture Benning and the rest of the Canucks management going, See Told ya Told ya The Gustafson twins And Sutter They're gonna do the thing

Well I want a Montreal Canucks final Now Let's do it We have to go Cause Jesse and I Are about three minutes away From our meeting

Can I do one update One update Crosby Could play tonight Yay He was at practice yesterday In a non In a non

Non-contact Yeah he was yesterday too Yeah Yesterday too And And there is something that we need to get through in the next episode that we cannot get through today. Because of me.

Now, we're just giving you a hard time, man. Now, remember the Bobby Nicks burger? Oh, yes. Now. Is there another kind of burger? Now there's a video of the Bobby Nicks burger. Did someone send you one? Well, Jesse, I think, found...

No, we did get a send to us. No, somebody tweeted it to you. Mark T. Avs, who we met at Hockey Night in Cinema. Okay, okay. And Mark T., that is gold. We're going to get to it. And I would ask this of the Dangle Navy nation. Don't look it up.

Don't look it up. Don't ruin it. Because you don't want to have this ruined. It's so, so very good. It goes into the creation of the Bobby Nicks burger. Oh, beauty. And maybe, just maybe. Whose backyard is it in?

Maybe, just maybe, Bobby Nicks teaches the chef how to make it properly. Does he chef-splain? Are we also going to eat hot chips next time? He chef-splain. Yes, we'll eat the hot chips, the Reaper chips. Oh, my God, yeah. Next episode on the Steve Dangle Podcast, we got to go. I'm going to the Maple Laughs tonight.

Laughs. I'm really excited about the Maple Laughs. Laughs. And the almost Toronto Maple Leaf, Stephen Stamkos. Adam's actually playing defense, by the way. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, me and Roman Polak.

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