The Steve Dangle Podcast - The Steve Dangle Podcast - Oct 27, 2016 - Optimus

Episode Date: October 28, 2016

On this episode, fixing the Leafs, proving Steve wrong on the Bobby Nick's burger, and proving Steve right on his $60 James Reimer figure. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hanago Pizza presents S.T.P. Cool Food Checkpoint. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Hi! Hi everybody. Hi. Alright, so here's the deal. We have a lot to get through today.

And because our last show was super, super short, we have very little time to get through it today because Steve's a super cool guy and Hanago leaves practice and hanging out with James Ramer. You know what? It's good to live like Adam Wilde sometimes. Well, you know what I did today? I actually went to an interview this morning about UFC, and then I went... What's great is when Adam says he went to an interview, he's conducting the interview. Conducting the interview, yeah.

Like, he didn't have a job interview. No. Who did you interview? His name's Robin Black. He's from the Fight Network. So he's one of the guys that, you know, the Fight and Fantasy Networks are kind of in the same building in Liberty Village. So I was in Lividge this morning, and then I went to a diner,

and I turned a $15 breakfast into a $30 breakfast with all the sides I ordered. You're outrageous! I am out of control! How do you do such a thing? Well, you can see it. My belly is always on the thing, so you can see it. But boy, it was good. The other day, I went to The Ram, the old bar for my university,

and had breakfast for $6. Subsidized breakfast. Shout out $3 beers on game night. At The Ram? Yeah. That is the only positive thing about Ryerson. They used to have a thing called Rammer Time. Oh, you shut up.

I think someone's salty for not getting in. I didn't get in. I didn't get in. You bet your ass I'm salty about it. High for all that salt in your mouth. High fives for everyone who graduated from Ryerson. What? Oh, there you go.

You could have just said graduated and stopped there. So do we want to start with the Leafs? Do we want to start with practice today? Do we want to start with Steve meeting the one and only Jesus, a.k.a. James Reimer? Sure. Well, meeting for the second time. Okay.

Now, does James know you, right? He does. And it was pretty cool, because we locked eyes, and I'm like, I wonder if he's going to give me a face like he knows me. And then he smiles and goes, hey. And I'm like, yes, James. Yes. That's awesome.

The first time we met in person, it was either in 2008 or 2009, and it was after his first game with the Marlies. And I was just such a wonderful journalist. I asked him questions like, what do you have to say to the boys back with the Redding Royals? From the ECHL, who he had just been called up from. God, I was just awful. That's a great question, man.

But then he got to know me through the videos, I guess. Hey, what do you have to say to the boys back fighting overseas? Yeah. What's going on? Did you have a press thing in your fedora that says press on it? A little press piece of paper. Adam, I can't even joke. I saw someone on Reddit go,

Dangle should do more interviews. I'm like, Dangle should absolutely not do more interviews. There's nothing wrong with your interviews. It's the thing I'm weakest at. All right, so you went in, you saw James, he said hi, and you guys sat down and talked. Yeah, and I'm going to post a video. It was a longer conversation,

but there was a particular part of the conversation that has to be heard on this podcast because he's actually addressing everybody in this room. One last thing For my podcast So I collect a lot of things Now pause it Pause it for a sec

I said for my podcast And he didn't kick me in the butt Like a certain Oilers Rangers legend Canucks legend I was just gonna say Just gonna say for my podcast And people are like

Oh No Cause you know what it's for It's for my gosh dang podcast And if you can't live with that Then you can't live in 2016 And I have a James Reimer figure, and my

co-hosts on the show were making fun of me because it cost $60. Do you think that's worth it for your figure? That's pretty expensive, hey? If you like it, I mean, what's it worth to you? You know? Priceless. So there you go, then it's worth it, hey?

Absolutely. Can you just say, Adam, Jesse, you're wrong. Adam, Jesse, you're completely wrong. No! And I always knew that. Thank you, James. What was his first response? Which was, that's pretty damn expensive.

That's his true honest response. But then he said, what's it worth to you? And I said, priceless. The court does not accept that. It was witness under duress. No, it's the last answer that sticks. It's the last answer. Is that what it is?

Whoever gets the last word. It's the Stephen A. Smith. Did you kill them? Yes. I mean, no. Therefore, they didn't kill him. I always thought the Suban for Weber trade

was great for Montreal. Well, we will get to that. We will get to that. Oh, yeah. That's amazing. That is really funny, Steve. God bless you, James.

James bless you, James. Before we actually get into the Leafs and Steve's video yesterday, which was called Ander 7, which I loved. I got it from Twitter.

I didn't come on. No, no, for sure. Hampus Lindholm has signed with the Anaheim Ducks. Just so you know, It is a six year 31.5 million dollar deal

Averages out to be About 5.25 a year But he makes Three this year Six the next year Six two Six seven five Five two five

Three seven five And six seven five Now Bizarre little deal It is a bizarre little deal I didn't know I didn't know the breakdown I feel like

For some reason That there's a reason There must be some sort of Financial reason Why the Ducks Only want him to make Three million dollars this year Yeah cause they're

They're currently over the cap They're over the cap Which is I didn't realize you could And they're not a cap team So you can be over the cap, but next year their cap will come back and there'll be a cap recapture penalty. I think, no, it has to even out, right? Because they haven't spent all of that money yet.

They're on pace to spend that money. Like if a player is worth $5 million, I think Morgan Rielly is getting paid $5 million. The Leafs have not paid Morgan Rielly $5 million yet. Right. They've paid him whatever six games is or whatever the amount of time is. So if you were to—you could be over the cap as far into the season as you want as long as mathematically, eventually, you're getting rid of a player that— Yeah, I don't know if it's as long into the season as you want,

but you are allowed to be over a little bit. Okay, interesting. So does that mean that something is going to happen? With the Ducks? Oh, for sure. Okay. A hundred percent. It's just a matter of who's leaving town. Cam Fowler, I think, seems to be a foregone conclusion, but a few people tweeted me, what about Simone Dupre? Yeah, so what about Simone Dupre?

Could be pretty interesting. First round pick of the Pittsburgh Penguins a few years ago. Bigger body than Fowler, I think. A little bit meaner. What kind of a defenseman are we? Well, he's a lefty, for sure. Not that that tells you anything about him. A decent possession player, but also big and nasty. Not incredible, but good. Very good. So what does someone like a Simone Dupre command?

Well, this is the thing. Some people were saying, who would you prefer, Dupre or Fowler? I think actually maybe Dupre. I think maybe Dupre because I think he possesses a little bit more of what the Leafs need, which is they can't win a battle in front of their own bloody net. And I don't know if Fowler's your guy to do that. And Dupre makes less. His cap hit is less, I believe.

What about Kevin Bieksa? His name has strangely not come up. Boy. Well, because it's a $5 million cap hit. Is it not? I'm pretty sure. How many years does he have left? I don't know.

We don't have General Fanniger anymore. Well, the Leafs don't need another right-handed shot because, gosh dang it, Frankie Corrado can't get into this lineup. No. Even after the worst defensive performance in a while. So, Simone Dupre, you think, could fill that third, like, behind Riley and Gardner? Yeah, but this is the thing.

I think we're assuming it's the Leafs, and I'm not sure the Leafs have what the Ducks want. You know, and I think, you know, I keep trying to think of, like, Carlisle Leafs that the Ducks might be interested in. Well, how do the Ducks fit Bozak? How do the Ducks fit JVR? All of Twitter was full of, Fowler for JVR. Well, JVR makes more than Cam Fowler. Yeah. So how do you make that work?

Yeah. And also, I don't know if that matches up as a fair trade. No, I was saying the Ducks would be lucky. Yeah. Yeah. The Ducks would, yeah, very lucky. Because JVR, even on the terrible Leafs team last year, was incredible until he got injured.

I mean, he missed three months and would have, I think, led the team in scoring. He's still on a sweetheart deal. Yeah, he would have led the team in scoring. I mean, if Nylander wasn't a Leaf the whole year. he's on a sweetheart deal I think if the Leafs

were to get a guy like Fowler or Dupre or whoever it would have to be a package of maybe prospects and picks

and then a lot of Ducks fans were going you can take Clayton Stoner and I wonder if there's something to be had there where you know

Clayton Stoner underperforming overpaid right handed shot enter Roman Polak who makes less than him I believe

so I don't know I could see a deal being made between the Ducks and the Leafs, but this JVR Fowler thing, I don't think it has legs. Unless it's part of a greater package. Why do the Leafs want to trade JVR? I don't think they do. Unless you're getting something

fantastic like a Trouba, I don't see JVR going. We did talk about it in the last episode, but I don't know if that's the guy I want to trade. I don't know if that's the depth. They actually now have enough centermen that they could deal one of Caudry or Bozak.

Yeah. Yeah, you could. Oh, boy, trading Nas to Randy? How cruel! I mean, that would never happen. Oh, God, that'd be so cruel. But you have that option now with Austin Matthews in the fold. And, I mean, Peter Holland's done a pretty good job.

His face-off percentage, I believe, is over 50. Broke Ben Bishop's face. He's a healthy scratch, though, against the Panthers. And Griffiths, I believe, and we'll get into the line combos tonight. I think it's Smith in the middle on the fourth line and Griffiths on the right. Okay. Still, all the same. You've got your fourth-line centers.

You can do that. Well, because what I've been thumping the last couple podcasts is the Leafs' strength is in their forwards, and they have tons of forward prospects. Not all of them are going to make it. Why not trade some of them? The idea of trading JVR because of that actually lines up a little bit. Lines up a little bit. Well, you'd have to have somebody waiting immediately to step in.

Brendan Leipzig? But is he JVR already? Right. He's leading the AHL in scoring. It's also a week into the season. Yes, exactly. And that's why we can't get two up or two down on any team right now. Richard Ponick is definitely going to lead the league in goal scoring.

For the rest of the year. Well, he's on a line with Taves. Let's completely ignore the fact that he was on a line with Taves last year. He's on a line with Taves. It's all going to last. Hasn't he almost equaled his goal output from last year? His career high is like 11 goals. And he's got 6, 7, 8?

Something like that? He's 6 as far as I know. and that was against the Leafs. His career high was 11 with the Leafs, and that same year, Mike Santorelli and Peter Holland also had 11 goals in fewer games. So I'm not trying to call him a bum. I'm just trying not to...

I'm not trying to call him a rocket retard. Temper expectations. He's got six goals, two assists in seven games. Last season, he had six goals, two assists in 30 games. There you go. What happened? He worked out... I heard he worked out with Gary Roberts every time.

Well, I heard he worked out with Gary Roberts. What if this is Richard Ponick's David Clarkson 37 goal season? And he cashes in. Yeah. Yeah. And then the Blackhawks find a way to trade him for their next dynasty. Holy mackerel, man. Or, you know, like maybe this is Ponick's Boleski year.

So, Adam, I'm about to test how good of a friend you are. Did you read my Anton Strallman article on Sports.com? Yes, I did. You did. What a tree, and I can't remember all the details. So I will explain the details. I wrote them down. The article started as, gosh darn it, the Leafs shouldn't have traded Anton Strallman.

It ended with the Leafs built the current Blackhawks. Yeah. So the Blackhawks obviously drafted their best players currently. Taves, Kane, Keith, you know who they all are, right? But they had to make a trade because they wanted to, in 2010, they wanted to threaten Boston. No, it was 2009. They wanted to threaten Boston with the idea that they could offer Sheik Kessel. They couldn't make that threat without their own second-round pick.

They did not have their own second-round pick in 2010 because they traded it to Montreal for Mikhail Grabowski. Montreal traded that pick to Chicago for Robert Lang. So the Leafs have to make a deal with Chicago. So the Leafs take their own 2011 pick. No, they took the Calgary 2011 pick that they got for Stroman And their own 2011 third round pick Traded it to the Blackhawks

For the Blackhawks 2011 second round pick Or No how did it work This is why we write this down I know this is why we write it all down Yeah I drew yada yada yada It ends up with the Leafs giving

Chicago those two picks Um Oh and they give the Leafs back Their second yes yes yes yes So Leafs end up sending that second to Boston anyway They draft Jared Knight He's playing in Denmark right now

Didn't work out to anything The Blackhawks However They draft Brandon Sod With the second that the Leafs gave him In 2011 The trade So now the Blackhawks

Can't retain Brandon Sod Too much money Too much money. What are they going to do? What do the Blackhawks always do? They find a team to fleece. So they trade Saad and the player who they drafted with the Leafs third round pick and some other guy to the Blue Jackets. For some unknown kid.

For Marco Dano, Artem Isimov, who I think is currently leading the league in scoring or tied for the league lead in scoring. A pick. There was something else in there. And Jeremy Morin. Last year the Blackhawks Trade Jeremy Moore Into the Leafs For Richard Ponick

Unbelievable this team Unbelievable this team Steve Eisenman's a wizard I would argue Stan Bowman is a wizard Very much so He's had to get himself Out of tighter spaces

I think Than Eisenman Eisenman has had More controversies But the cap Finagling if you will That the Blackhawks Have done over the last

Like five years It's crazy Has been unbelievable And literally the team is their star first line which is all the players that we all know so well it's not even a star first line

well it's like it was teams Ponick and a guy I couldn't name no but you're I'm talking about five great players oh yeah yeah yeah

and then rookies oh yeah it's like that's it that's what the Hawks are and they're still really really good that's the model though

that's how you win a cup my favorite part of the article is Steve's very poor attempt to draw the Calgary Flames logo ah yes it looks like a squid it does um

so we're so I went to the game on Tuesday night Leafs and and Lightning was it great it was

it was you know what it was a lot of fun it was nice to see Matthew score it was nice to see Nylander score I'm trying to be as positive as humanly possible good for you

um I enjoyed I enjoyed being there I gotta say the in-game entertainment's incredible but it's gotten better eh yeah oh

like it's it's top notch it's awesome it used to just really suck really stale wow um

but I gotta say it's so hard. I feel bad for the people that have to be the hype people in the stadium. They've got two hosts now, and they're like, we're in the four-flag box right now! Let's make some noise for some free-day nerds! And people are jacked up, but not really, because it's 7-3.

And I feel like there was a couple things I noticed. First off, I know that Babcock would hate me for saying this, because he said they were minus two to start the game, which they were. But every time that Matthews, Nylander, Hyman lines out,

Something's happening. Hey, you know what? Valid. Babcock's thing is valid. They got off on the wrong foot because of a giveaway from that line or a miscommunication from that line. Because I'm not even sure if Matthews threw a bomb up the middle or if it was a miscommunication with Hyman who he was passing to or whatever.

But it is true that a minute, what, 15 into the game, they were down. Yeah. And it was because of that line. I also noticed that Connor Brown is the best thing about the Kadri Komarov-Brown line. He is always, always, always making things happen. When does Nazem Khadri got to worry? I think Nazem Khadri is worried. I think he should be worried.

Because the thing is, and I think not just Naz, but all of them. He's the team's third line center right now. Yeah. Yeah. He is. Which is, by the way, that's when he was at his best. When he was the third line center. That is true.

But he's the team's third line center. Okay, who argues that the Matthews-Hyman-Nielander line is not the top line? It is. It is absolutely the top line. And the Marner-Bozak-JVR line is absolutely the second line. That's the second line. So where's Kadri? Third line.

It's on the third line. I don't care what color jersey he wears in practice. That's the third line. But it was amazing to watch because it's not that Komarov and Kadri are bad players. They're not. No. And we loved them both last year. especially Leo, but

Connor Brown makes them invisible. You think? See, that's not good, though. Because he's the Zach Hyman work ethic. It's the same I'm going for this, I'm getting this, I'm going to go get this puck, I'm going to go get this puck. It's like a dog that is ball-focused.

You know, ball-focused dogs that they'll care about. I have one. That's how it feels. It's like, where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? I'm going to go get it. And that's... It leads me to this, which I've heard a lot of people say, and I wanted to get your thoughts on it, because I think it's crazy.

I called Steve after the game, by the way. We talked for like 20 minutes right after the game ended. I kept Adam company while he walked out. And I know you have a bunch of stuff that you want to say about this, but I wanted to get this out, and I wanted to get your opinion. Go ahead. A lot of people saying, you know, this Leafs team, a lot of young players on it,

the veterans are really going to have to show them the way. And as I watched the game against Tampa, I don't think that's the case. In fact, It may be the tail wagging the dog on this one Because on both defense and forward Less so on defense because there are less rookies

But in terms of making things happen on the ice The Leafs veterans aren't No, they're really not JVR, Bozak sometimes Sometimes, totally And by the way, every time that line's on the ice Do you know where the puck's going? Mitch Marner

It doesn't go to Bozak, it doesn't go to JVR It goes directly to Mitch Marner every stinking time. Marner is going to be an absolute star in this league because look at how good he already is, but when I see him sometimes, he's a little timid. The second he loses that, he's going to tear the league apart. There was a couple times where he had his head down, and he will get killed.

Don't say it. Don't say it. I'm hoping that that head stays up. And then you give Matt Martin a rag with that player's scent on it, And you just tell them, kill them. Well, the thing that got me, and this is kind of my long, belabored point, is that I don't think, I don't actually think the Leafs veteran core is capable of anything more than what you've already seen over the last two and a half, three years.

And that is underwhelming. And I honestly, honestly, I thought that they were capable of more. And I thought, now maybe they still are. And again, what are we, seven games in? So this is a little early. But from the 10% of the season that we've seen so far, just about, I would say that the team veteran core is just sort of there. They're not, I don't see them leading anything. I think if there's any leading going on, it's going to be from the guys who are making things happen.

That's how leadership works. It doesn't matter what your age is. I gotta throw it out there Because most of the attention Has been on Matt Hunwick And it should be The only leaf on the ice For more goals than Matt Hunwick

Against the Lightning Was Freddie Anderson Well he was on for What is it All seven All seven Oh oh oh Hunwick was on for five

Five of the seven So it was One three five six seven right So boy Now you're asking me to remember No no yeah Yeah something like that And then six and seven

You make the argument Who really gives a damn No you should care about every goal Six was on the PK And I think seven was on the PK k2 and you're trying to get a goal so you're not too focused on your own end whatever okay fine take those away you're still on for let's go with three of five then it's bad he is every eashl defenseman in nhl 17 you hate playing with i watch and i don't know what side he's on

i i gotta assume he drives his partner nuts there's a rover out there flying around anyway so I started with Matt Hunwick gets most of the attention Leo I love Leo so much I need more out of him I can't remember one play he was a part of this season

I think I remember a hit or two yeah that's it like at what at one point at what point do you maybe switch him and Hyman just to get

because you can't just have one line going what is that Kadri I don't know you don't change a strength to address a weakness yeah I think you're right So hopefully Brown

Can change that Now again Like tonight will be Game 8 So at about 10% of the season So far We've covered

So I think it's game 7 Is it game 7? Yeah it's game 7 Okay So we're not We're not that far in We're 1, 2, and 3

6 Yeah you're right It is game 7 Yep there you go Math Yeah 1, 2, and 3 Super fun I think the

And Freddie's gotta be better The thing though That has been the hallmark Of Leo's career and Kadri's career sometimes is the edge that they play with. And I didn't see an edge from Nazem Kadri until he got mixed up with Tyler Johnson

late in the third. And what was one of the staples of my videos last year? Nazem Kadri, Bob Ross. Just draws penalties like a beauty. Leo was great too. One of my favorite little stats that's come out in the last few years, penalty differential.

Players that draw more penalties than they take. Have Leo or Naz drawn a penalty? This year? Have they? I don't think so. You draw penalties when you're playing really well. You know who's drawn a penalty? Matt Martin.

It was a retaliation penalty, but it was great. You know who's... Martin has taken some pretty unfortunate penalties. He's drawn them too. Mm-hmm. Hyman has drawn at least a couple calls. He's taken some too. They happen when you're playing well.

I think Brown has as well. They happen when you move your feet. Yeah. When you scoot. Yeah. I just don't think, and I think we've got to chill on the veterans are going to lead this team through. I don't think that that's quite what we have with the veterans that are still left over. I don't think that's, I don't think they're capable of that.

And I think to expect that is, and again, I could be wrong, but I've watched, we've watched these guys over the last three years of doing this show super closely. Steve, you've watched, I mean, you know, this, this core has been together for basically the length of this podcast and before it. What's the core? Well, I think the core isn't the core anymore. The people who are there. Exactly.

That is a hundred percent. The people who still happen to be there. Yeah. This is such a weird transition year. JVR, Bozak, Caudry, and I guess Leo for a chunk of that too. I mean, I think, yes, we need more edge from Leo. We need more edge from Caudry. Bozak's played good, but good.

He's played all right. He's just good. Yeah, he's played like a guy getting paid what Bozak's getting paid. You know? And we've talked about this. At the time that deal was signed, it kind of sucked. And then as the years go by, I'm like, no, that's just what second-slash-third line centers make. Yes, but when he was signed, that was a first-line center at the time.

Oh, yes. Oh, so what a bargain. What a bargain. Tyler Bargzak. It's a weird thing. It's a weird, weird thing. Yeah, like the whole Payne's coming thing. Last year was easy.

Last year was easy. We knew what was coming. Yes, we do. Trade a bunch of guys, get a bunch of picks, hope for a top-five pick. Look at that. You get the first overall pick. Gorgeous, beautiful. You get to see the Marlies surviving, thriving even.

And they're doing that again this year. And you see the players in junior doing well this year. But then this year, in the NHL, when they lose, it's Austin Matthews losing. That's William Nylander losing. That's Nikita Zaitsev losing. And by the way, I just named the Leafs' three best players, probably, so far this season. That's Morgan Riley losing. yeah and like there's another guy like probably the most unfair expectations this season probably

rest on morgan riley because what is he 22 that's a veteran honestly they're already talking captaincy yeah what is this year four for him in the league three or four yeah he's a vet and there was a goal the goal what looked bad on the goal i can't remember which one it was you know what it was four it was right after Anderson makes that incredible save on Victor Hedman Bozak and Zaitsev are both on the same guy Zaitsev goes uh we shouldn't both be here rushes after Stamkos in the corner Hedman just slides in JVR looks at him like he's late for a plane and I'm like oh the Leafs aren't getting help from their from their forwards wait a sec Bozak's back there JVR is at least making the effort. Where's Riley? Riley's

behind JVR! Because he was puck watching. He was following, following. And I love the kid. I love the kid, but like... And those things are going to happen. A hundred percent they're going to happen, and I still love him. We did say that going in. We said it was going to be an up-and-down season, and it will

be an up-and-down season. We're seeing a little bit more down right now. It sure started on an up. What are you looking at? What's wrong? I have no idea. Okay. Anyway, sorry. I'm glad that you saw that. No one had to know about it. Well, because if Steve's not responding to me, he's going, yeah. What is it, Steve?

The hell? What's on Twitter? Oh, no, it's your text. Oh, it's my text. Oh, that's good that you got my text. You know when your phone dies and then it comes back on and just shows the phone number? So I got all these mystery numbers going, hey, man, call me back. Oh, it's the guy in front of me.

Yeah. Is there anything to distract from how bad the Leafs were against the Lightning? Well, and the other thing is that, you know, I saw the Roman Polak. I was in the zone. I was in the Behind the net Where Roman Polak When he got hit

Was it the arm? Yes Yeah And I think that was Before goal five Yes And that's when The game still looked like

It was within reach Because they'd scored a couple And it was like Oh my god This could happen Yeah It was 4-1 at that point Oh

It was 4-1 They scored the 5-1 Oh yeah But then bang bang And all of a sudden You're right back in the game And what I loved about that Is you actually felt like

You know what? They could They could And I tell you At the ACC It felt like it could They were like Make noise

And everyone was like I got that impression. Oh, yeah. And it was because it was Matthews, too. Oh, yeah. It's a weird little thing. And Matthews Nylander. Like, of course it was.

Yeah. I get the impression if, like, I don't know, Bozak scored that. And not to pick on Bozak, but, like, any of the veterans, they'd be like, okay, well, 5-3 goal, man. You guys are so over the old core. It's like, ah, Bozak scored. Well, no, I'm not over JVR. I think I'm over the way that Kadri and Komarov, especially, are playing.

I think that Connor Brown on that line is the best part about that line right now. You know what? And I don't even think They're bad No They just need to be Better And I also think

The rookies These guys These young guys That have come on Are that much better I really truly do Zaitsev being on the first pair Should be a bigger story

Not just for How it's incredible That a rookie I know he's 24 Not just That it's incredible For a first year player In the NHL

To be on the first pair But he had to beat guys out To do that He had to beat out veterans Granted He is infinitely more gifted Than anybody else On that team

Besides That's their best right-handed shot. Best right-handed shot, and that's not a slight on Conor Carrick. It's not a slight on Roman Polak. I couldn't possibly be a slight on Frankie Corrado because I haven't seen him. No. So he's the best right-handed shot they got. I did feel a sense of optimism in the ACC.

It was palatable. You knew it because Jesse and I went to, remember that Islanders game we went to a couple years ago? Awful. And it was, they made it to overtime against the Islanders. The Islanders won. but it was like it was like even when they made it

to overtime they're like ah we're screwed we're totally screwed it didn't matter I will give him this and I'm not going to um

lump all Leafs fans in with this because I think the good Leaf fans felt optimism the dumb Leaf fans and there are plenty dumb Leaf fans

were giving Anderson the Bronx cheer after the fourth goal he makes a save of the year candidate and then is left alone 30 seconds later

makes the initial save no one's there for the rebound It's Victor Hedman He's 6'7 And a Norris candidate You can't miss him And everyone missed him

Again And you have your most physical guy On the team JVR Well one of the most physical guys On the team JVR Who could have had him Well no

I don't think that was his guy Riley was up near the point Yeah On that one One thing I do want to mention Because believe it or not We're already half an hour Into this

I know And all we did was talk about The previous Leafs game It's going to be out of date We still have things to talk about We have an email from an Oilers fan which is a warning

to the Leafs we also have to go through the Leafs line quickly for tonight against Florida just a quick couple notes because I know by the time this podcast airs

there will be a lot of people that have already seen the game versus Florida but yeah and then we've got a ton of other things on Montreal Vancouver

the Edmonton Oilers of course there's just so much are you going to take a break? yeah I guess we're going to have to take a break let's take a break hey

hey so So, if I were to tell you that the Toronto Maple Leafs, tonight, are changing up their line combinations, what would you say to that? My gosh, they probably somehow went into the future and listened to the first segment of the show. Well, here's what the line rushes are going to be. Where did they put Zach Hyman? Here's what the line rushes apparently look like. We've got Hyman, Matthews, Nylander, line one.

Now, this is from Paul Hendrick. And I wonder if they're listed as line 3 Like they always are But they're actually line 1 anyway And he just threw them up there as line 1 Well they wear different colored jerseys But this is during practice At morning skate I think it's just

They give some forwards blue Some forwards white And I think the defense wear black I might be wrong Hyman Matthews, Nylander, JVR, Bozak, Marner No story there Brown, Kadri, Komarov, no story there This is where it gets interesting

Martin Griffith in the middle Smith on the wing That is Oh Smith's on the wing Yeah That is just Babcock Going I don't know

Trying stuff So no Peter Holland Well what's funny is You gotta get Griffith Into the lineup At some point right You gotta But Corrado

I don't know what I would love to know What's going on with Frank Why is Why is nobody asked About Frank Corrado By the way Chris Johnson wrote a thing

On him It's on sportsnet.ca I haven't had a chance to read it yet It's funny Last year Didn't it feel like we solved that mystery Because they didn't play him basically For the first three months

Yeah he was injured when he was with the Canucks And it wasn't really disclosed And then it came out and he played the rest of the season With the Leafs and he looked pretty alright And who knows Maybe he'll start as a healthy scratch Get into a couple games No he hasn't gotten into a game yet

And I have a theory theory my theory who are some of the biggest Leafs fans in the GTA you know when you expect to hear a guy

talk about Dougie and Wendell and Andy Chuck you know the good old days you're talking about the guys from the bridge I'm talking about guys from food to bridge

and from and from from freaking Vaughn bro Vaughn hey Vaughn Mills bro oh oh

how do you get we get three towns in before you even mention Maple hilarious that there's a first off it's the most canadian town name ever and it's all the italian i love when people say oh yeah i went to little italy and toronto i'm like all of it most of it most of college and nundas and the northwest part and the west part yeah the neighborhood i grew up in and yeah like holy smokes there's just i mean they breed like

rabbits they just this is and i say this is a half italian before you write your letters how does an italian write a letter they're talking with their hands anyway i always had a theory that an italian would one day save the leafs and i think frank corrado is just the biggest most number one to the core leafs fan ever he is being such a good soldier through all of this that I think he's the number one guy for the job. They do this to him because they know he can take it. Right. That being said, you should probably put him.

So did the Leafs lose for the last 45 years because they knew we could take it? Because we've taken it. Adam, just a thought. You might just be right. You might just be right. On Leafs defense today, we've got Riley Zaitsev, Gardner Carrick, Marincin is back with the Hundog.

now wait a sec is that from paul hendrick so supposedly that was a mistake oh tonight's lineup is uh that's all correct except marincin on the left on the third pair polak on the right okay on the third pair now i want frank corrado in the lineup as much as anybody that's close to an ideal lineup just i'm gonna stick up for roman polak um because in the team's worst defensive effort of the season I actually thought he was great I do

he obviously blocked that crazy shot tough as nails he did lose a puck battle in front to Alex Killorn who I talked about in the video Polak has about 40 pounds on you should never lose a puck battle to him if you're that big big for nothing is my term

but man when they were down He was pinching He was leading the rush Taking shots He looked like the most desperate Leaf out there Look, that doesn't necessarily make him great But he was trying Well, we're not expecting greatness from Roman Polak

No, one thing It's true We're expecting serviceable I have an up and down relationship I think he's offensively underrated I've said it and taken heat for it I'll take that heat I'll take that heat

Look From my eye I love I love the way he I almost said I love the way he plays which is incorrect. I love the way he tries. Damn it, that's all I want him to do is try.

Okay. I bet you Frankie Corrado tries better, but... By the way, I noticed, you know, the Leafs have scored a lot of goals, right? And I thought about this. They scored three goals against Tampa. Which is their second lowest total of the season, by the way. Pretty good.

Any team that's averaging three, four goals a game has a chance to win every night. So if they can just figure out just a system to limit the goals. Yeah. You're not going to solve the problem with the current staff, right? If you can figure out a system to just crank it back a few. Is the system a better goaltender?

No. No, and here's the thing. I said it in the video, man. As far as the Leafs goalie coach goes, either this goalie works or you don't. He's at the beginning of a deal that pays him $5 million for five years. There's no Nathan Horton goalie out there. you can trade for freddie anderson okay he works or you're boned those are the two options right he works or you're screwed for the next half decade so they got to figure this out some

people are saying oh he shouldn't be playing against florida uh god i would have liked to give enroth the next home game to be honest which is against florida but babcock has to leave this guy in to figure it out and he'll figure it out i believe he'll figure this out yeah from the first time i saw him in a leafs uniform i thought he was too aggressive because like he is very aggressive aren't gonna they're they're not gonna clear up that rebound if you allow a rebound they won't have your back no and he's learning that he doesn't have hampus loonholman anymore Yeah, or Simone Dupre, or BXA, or, you know, it is about styles, right? And some goalies have a defense in front of them that can protect their style.

Yeah, I giggled. What? I don't think Anderson and the Leafs so far have been a good match. No, but it doesn't mean they won't be. I honestly, it's been seven games, for God's sakes. I have a tweet. How many times did I say I thought Anderson was going to start slow? Yeah, and he did last year, by the way.

I have a tweet from Craig Custance, ESPN. He said, in 11 games last November and December, Freddie Anderson had a save percentage of 890, and he finished with a 919. So, let's not worry. Maybe he just starts slow. Well, and no one, heading into that game, he had a better save percentage than Ben Bishop.

And can I also just... No one doubted Ben Bishop. Can we just throw this out here? that Leafs defense has been a tire fire, right? Look at the replays and that's the thing is I kept watching the defensive system that Babcock has put into place

break down and by the way watch tonight, I want to know because here's what I keep seeing, I keep seeing the wingers really high, they're sitting almost above the blue line in their own defensive zone which is really strange and I know that's probably because Babcock's playing to the defense but what it makes you do

when you're flipping the puck around behind the net The center then has to go over and chip it up After the defenseman shot it out For a winger to get it On a team like this That has not the best defense I mean you've got to Play to that a little bit

Interesting to see if they keep that system going In the defensive zone We've got to get to this email guys Because we really don't have a lot of time So this comes from Hudson Hudson Croker Who's an Edmonton Oiler fan I was like wow

He said, you know, he's been watching the Edmonton Oilers. I'm paraphrasing here for the last six to eight years. He said, a lot of teams can learn from our failure. And he said, I think your team is one of them, so I think it's important that you guys check this out. He said, start this off. The primary reason for the Oilers' newfound success is not Connor McDavid. And he puts gasp in brackets.

He said it's the second most important reason. The first was fixing the defense and the goaltending, which, by the way, for Edmonton has been amazing this year. Cam Talbot especially has been incredible. And there's another goalie, by the way, who started with a young team with a bad defense, started rough, and came out of it. Yep. Yep. Absolutely.

Last year, right? Yep. He said, the reason I'm writing this is to warn Maple Leaf fans that you have not lost enough yet. I know that may sound crazy, and I know Leafs fans are dreaming of Cups and playoffs, but the reality is the core of the team is not complete. I agree.

Specifically, the defense. Is Morgan Rielly a great defenseman? yes, probably a 1A, 1B type. Is Jake Gardner? Kinda. And he said, essentially he goes on to say, and we will actually take this,

I think we should take this and post this. I don't have time to get through the entire thing. It's a long thing. But essentially what he's saying is you are missing a bona fide,

he says, number one defenseman, probably top pairing. Nikita Zaitsev may be that guy, but is not classified as such yet. Fair. I think Riley could be that guy too. Well, him and more,

he said 1A, 1B for Morgan Riley, right? So you need two top pairing defensemen. And he said, you need a No. 3 on the second line. And I couldn't agree more with that. No. 3, 4. You need somebody to play with Jake Gardner. Well, and we're asking, you know, he hasn't been fantastic.

Nothing against Conor Carrick, by the way. Let me just throw that out there. Well, this is what I'm about to say. Conor Carrick hasn't been absolutely fantastic for the Leafs so far. But I think given what has been asked of him, and his age, and his contract, like that guy's he's getting paid like nothing i think it's under 700 g's that's that is a second pairing defenseman on this team steel night in night out well it's a steal but he's also being asked a lot he's being asked a lot um and even if you know maybe hunwick's playing a little better

or the top pair is a little more you know they they got a little bit more chemistry and the Leafs defense is communicating with the goalie a little bit better. That is asking a ton of a really young guy. So I think you're asking too much of basically every young guy on this team. Because you have no other choice.

Well, I suppose you do have another choice. You let Colin Greening and Brooks Leick and Malai Mahalik all play. They're all in the Marlies. So I think the Leafs have made their bed. The Leafs have $48.5 million in their lineup.

In the Marlies, they have $31 million. That's incredible. That's incredible. Isn't that insane? Yeah, insane. I don't know if any team has ever had this much money buried in the minors. No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

Wade Redden was down there for a long time. Yeah, that was like one contract. And that's back when you could bury the entire contract, too. The Rangers could bury the entire Wade Redden $6 million buffoonery. Was it the whole thing? It was most of it. I think it was most of it. That's crazy.

You just send them down. Or no, was it 925 or something like that? Something like that. That stayed on the cap, but that was it. So basically they buried 5.1 million. Oh, bummer, said the Rangers. Yeah. Oh, no.

Oh, no. Have fun playing on the Connecticut Whale. Who then went away and then came back. We were going to do a debate today, but I don't think we have time because there's some other stuff we need to get to today. And we can save this debate because I think it'll still be relevant next week. Anderson for Senroth. I want you to watch, and do not answer this question right now.

I want you to watch Shea Weber this weekend. That's your homework, everybody. Shea Weber. And I want you to watch P.K. Suman this weekend. Everybody, that is your homework. Who is that? Even if it's the game in six. I believe he is an old, old wooden ship. Ah, the S.S.P.K. So,

watch those this weekend because we have a debate coming up. We have a debate brought through by one of our Twitter followers, Mikey Piz. Mikey Pizman? Michael Pisman oh yes he sent me this tweet

this morning and it's a good it's a good tweet and we don't want to get too much into it right now but again because it's going to

take a segment because it's a debate does Steve have to answer all the questions in his Trump voice yeah I think maybe I think maybe you're going to sniff

and blame the microphone I do want to publicly mention before we leave before we leave the radio portion microphone is a Clinton surrogate

We are going to talk about, in the off-air portion of the show, the video. The video follow-up to the Bobby Nicks burger. If you download the show, you know what we're talking about. The new Edmonton Oilers special burger, quote-unquote, made by Bob Nicholson. Also, a note about jerseys that may make you upset. And a request. Not even a request, a demand from one of our listeners. But first, let me just quickly say this.

Tim Horton's house, the house that he lived in when he played for the Toronto Maple Leafs, is up for sale right now in Scarborough. Where in Scarborough? I don't know. It's not. I'm buying. Well, if you have $700,000. Does it come?

Dude, for a house in Scarborough? Yeah. That's wicked. Does it come with Timbits? It does not come with Timbits. It doesn't even look like. It's the most normal looking house out there. It's on Warden.

Warden and Ellesmere. So it's like the most I'll do it It's so funny Because it's a throwback To when NHL players Made what everybody else made You should buy that

I honestly To God That's a good deal Yeah 700 grand For a nice loss Yeah Oh and Tim Horton wore

Number 7 He Now when he Owned this house I just want to throw this out there When he owned this house He made $9,000 a year Playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs

Yeah which is just a hair above what he paid for that house, I'm sure. Probably, yeah. And it's a typical post-World War II bungalow. Nothing's really changed about it. Still kind of looks just the same. I bet it smells like coffee. No, I don't think so.

I think it probably smells like your grandparents. You know, your grandparents' house. But if you do buy this house and you are listening to this show, if you're looking for houses in Toronto and you have $700,000 to live at Warden and Ellesmere, good lord. I am not gonna go to

Wharton and Ellesmere For 700 grand Are you kidding me Why not I'd rather live in a condo I'm serious It's time to leave Oshawa Adam's

Adam's such a snob No I grew up in Scarborough I don't have to go back To Scarborough Adam needs to live Where everyone has A little dog

That's where Jesse lives And there's some Oh yeah that's true No it's both downtown Yeah but he's not Hoity toity about it Um Yeah it's basically

I'm anti small dogs Jesse hates small dogs He's kicking your small dog Is what he's doing I was like Jesse do you want to meet my dog And he's like how big is it I said 70 pounds

He's like alright fine Fine It just meets the cut off If anybody is buying Tim Horton's old house In Scarborough for 700 grand You have an obligation To let us build

Our brand new studios in there That I just made up And you have to let us come over And record twice a week In Tim Horton's house Okay For the rest of time Who was the player

That had their cottage up for sale Airbnb Wendell Clark had his on Airbnb $5,000 a night I was thinking it would be kind of a fun place to do a podcast event sure

so we'll start a crowdfund yeah we'd have to do that and we'll all stay over so we'll do a show and we'll have like a child tournament and we'll all stay over

I was at the Leafs morning skate today and oh really were you? I had to get to my get out I had to get to my seat shut up

I had to get to my seat but I couldn't there was a guy talking to some other guys and he was in the way and I go oh excuse me it was Wendell Clark

oh is that all I'm glad I wasn't like hey dick get out of the way have you checked out my podcast I want to take

yeah are you on a stamp I talked to Messier yeah I'm a fancy podcast person why don't you take your mustache and get out of my way

we gotta go on the radio portion of the show thanks so much for listening if you want to download the show you can go to sportsnet.ca

or any place podcasts are found so like iTunes Podstitch or Pod whatever It's Panago Pizza is the sponsor of this show. It's what's on the inside that counts.

Gentlemen, this was sent to us by Mark T. Avs. Mark T., who is an Avs fan, lives in Toronto, came and hung out with us for Hockey Night in Cinema this past couple weeks ago. And it's a follow-up to the Bobby Nicks burger. And Jesse and I have already watched this, Steve, full disclosure. Now, I want you to hear this. I want you to watch this later.

But I want you to hear a lot of this video. I have it. No, no, no, no. No, no, you stay. You stay and listen. You don't really need to see it. You got to hear it, though. And understand that it's...

I'll close my eyes, even. It's at NHL.com slash Oilers. Boo! Yeah. Sorry, I just hate NHL.com. It's a video explaining the Bobby Nicks burger and where it came from, right? Okay.

The legend behind the Bobby Nicks burger. And it is the most corporate video you will ever watch in your entire life. Oh, dear. It is hilarious. Eyes are closed. Let's start from the beginning. A couple weeks ago, I gave you a sneak peek at the Rogers Place menu.

Now we are actually showing you a signature item. This here is the Bobby Knicks burger created by the man himself, Euler CEO and Vice Chairman Bob Nicholson. Bob, sum your burger up for us. It started at a secret meeting this morning on a secret sauce. And then we added Alberta beef, of course. Then we added beef to the burger. With a little spice, jalapeno, some lettuce, and an unbelievable bun.

It's going to be awesome. That is a description if I've ever heard one. Bob, let's see how you made it. Stop, stop, stop. So, we made a burger with lettuce, tomatoes, jalapenos, onions, bacon, and of course, a burger patty. Oh, God bless. And what was her response? God bless that host, because she goes, that is a description.

Which couldn't be more... I don't know. Yeah, totally. She's not wrong. Thanks, Bob. There is no way to make that video interesting, and so I just, God bless her. God bless her.

Now, this is the part where the video gets really fun, and this is where Jesse and I really started to thoroughly enjoy it. Now, I don't know if you mentioned there were jalapenos on there, Adam, because that gives the burger a little bit of personality. Well, did you forget about Bobby Nix's secret sauce? Watch him in the next couple of minutes. That sounds so gross. Be ready.

Jalapenos? Those are like the one pepper I will tolerate. Bobby Nicks will in fact correct the chef on how to make it no no he does not

so that's why that's why we're going through this video just to have a little bit of fun today oh I'm so happy alright so you're gonna hear a lot of

corporate-y music so he's telling the chef how to make it I like the feel of this one I don't know how it tastes but I like the feel so it's the

Bobby Nicks burger he has no idea how it tastes but he sure likes how it feels in his hands well see the chef

the chef-ass chef made it for him right so you know He knows how he makes it, but how does the chef-ass chef make it? Going through the pancetta bacon, the smoked tomato relish. No. He didn't try that.

No. So what happened there was the chef made a burger. The way that Bobby Nix asked. And Bobby Nix took a bite and he said, no. No. Not good enough for one Bobby Nix. Right? No.

That's a bad cut. For whoever made this video. I want to know what followed the no. Because I'm going to give Bob Nicholson the credit that he didn't just go, nope, and throw the burger against the wall. I think he did. Well, I think he did. It's funny that you mentioned it. Make it again.

Get this shit out of my face. Well, he did. The thing is, Steve, he does, in fact, go into the corrections. This is where we get the correction. Oh, okay. So it's not really a bad edit. Yeah. No

That's a bad pinch It's alright He didn't try this Bob sauce and some mustard This just has class So I think we're going to So hold on So he didn't do the bob sauce

And the mustard And then he's holding a bun And saying how much class The bun has Now I'm also looking What does the bun have It's a really good bun What does the bun have

It has Bread I couldn't get a rest Alright little spicy taste overall because we're taking the jalapenos dude we're getting there chef yes sir cheers thank you there we go he likes it what do you think awesome i think this is a winner i think this is a signature bobby something special can't get it anywhere else bobby nicks has picked out the items that he wants in there this is the chef this is our fourth burger that we looked at

This is going to have a little bit of a bite, there's no question. It's going to be a winner. Are you kidding me? It's going to be a winner. Basically, you can kind of go through and say, you know what, I like that bun, but I like that cheese, and I like that sauce you put on that one, and then we'll just kind of conform that one up to Bob's signature burger. All these ingredients, things that are local to Canada, local to Edmonton, and put them

out there for Bobby Nicks to give a try. You know what? It's certainly for adults that like beer with the jalapenos. If you want to take the jalapenos off, you can. Try it first and then take it off the next time. Now, now, for adults who like beer, children who like beer might not like this burger. Yeah, I know. But this is where the video gets fun for me because it has a bit of a lull there, I'll admit.

Okay. There's a reason why we're going through this methodically. Okay. Because sometimes in a movie, you have to see some of the boring stuff to see the amazing grand climax. Should I give my thoughts before we get to the climax? I would love that. Because my thoughts are, I think I owe Bobby Nix an apology. Really?

A little bit. We thought, Jesse and I thought, he just walked in there, this is my burger, took a picture with it, and then walked out and the chef did all the work. No, no, no. He showed that chef what's what. It was the fourth burger he tried. You saw the effort, love and care he put into it. as the chef cut up all the vegetables, grilled everything.

And hold on. And I might want you to hold on to that comment because when it comes to the bacon, Bobby is very specific. The burger that he picked out is just great because it's all over the place. It's smoky from the bacon. We've got just the right amount of fat content from the cheese, the mayo, the mustard vinegar. The mustard's going to cut it really well.

The bacon, what was the... That's a pancetta bacon. It's made with white wine. Yeah, you know what? I thought it was a little too powerful you're buying a burger for the burger he went for the

regular bacon loaded up so he's got high end pan cheddar bacon made with white wine and Bob's like no no no

compliments brand bro give me that Kirkland put this shit on it give me the bacon that doesn't taste like anything cause no one's buying the burger

for the bacon taste anyway how much is this gonna cost you at Minton Oilers to make this bacon every day let's go with the

regular one a lot less no they don't have that fancy panchetta burger or bacon fresh veggies can't go wrong and then of course the uh signature bobby nicks sauce that we especially probably thousand islands dressing even a little bit of what the secret sauce should be and we nailed it absolutely nailed it just makes a burger burst out at you we have this like i said world-class venue we need signature items in there okay so what better to have a world-class person a classy person like bobby nicks to have a

signature item so there you go i you know what everybody bobby next i he he made the damn thing he was insistent they called it a signature burger after seeing all the notes he put in i gotta say it's signature and at the end of the video i want the damn thing do you really i want the damn thing i just by the way the bobby nicks bobby nicks everybody i'm team bobby nicks um there was the high five count I believe was at least four he high fived the chef

four times the the dad high five oh yeah which by the way is always too high yes and the dad is looking down

yes because he can't make eye contact because it's an awkward moment but he's gotta go all the way up here it's yeah it's brutal I may have given a few

you know I watched this whole video going how much did it cost to put this video together thousands no no but I just thought Like, I was like, we're making a video about a burger at a stadium.

Like, are we serious right now? I think that's thousands of dollars. You've got to pay the chef overtime to come in and shoot this stupid video. You've got to pay the chef. But the chef was going to get paid anyway. The cameraman. The filming, the editing, the equipment. The host.

The host. They had a host for that. But I think they have Oilers TV, though. So if this is anything like Leafs TV, right? You got your host already. of course but you're paying for that um you got your cameraman you got someone to edit it too so you got at least three people involved probably a producer there's four right sometimes the host is the producer or the camera person is the producer

um depending on how large your operation is i don't think that was an egregiously expensive video i you know what man you're you're trying but no i'm team oilers on this one I am team Oilers on this one. I mean, I know. I am absolutely not. How are you? The pan shed of bacon kills me. I will fly to Edmonton.

Oh, I want a Bobby Nicks burger. Dad, I will high five Bobby Nicks without eye contact, and I will buy his burger with my own money. I'll try to get it for free first, and then I will eat it and enjoy it. Do you think Bob Nicholson shares this video with his family? Like, look, I really made a burger. I think he absolutely takes a picture of the link And texts it to his family

I don't know if he shared the link with his family Oh my god I mean you can tell the man's excited Which I appreciate Because boy Edmonton has been a morose place lately But there's a lot of good going on there I believe they're near the top of the standings Along with the Canucks and Habs

Edmonton top of the west Montreal top of the east Amazing It's gonna stay that way All season long And then Now So we take you from

Something kind of fun and light There's a reason we did that And that's to balance out How I know you're going to feel About this next Morsel Uh oh I'm trying to think

Of what bad happened Steve Do you know what happened With the NHL jerseys? No I saw Greg Wyshynski Post something about it But no I don't

So starting next year Adidas is going to get The license to produce The NHL jerseys Instead of Reebok But Adidas owns Reebok Yes So they're just kind of

Switching over Yeah, from one pocket to the other. Right, and the World Cup jerseys had Adidas on it, I think. So, next year you're going to have to buy a new jersey if you want to look like the guys on the ice, right? Are the Leafs going to change their jersey again? No, no. It's just going to have the Adidas logo instead of a Reebok one.

So, if you want to look like the guys on the ice, you've got to buy a new jersey. Okay. If you're that much of a purist. Yeah. Yeah. And you have that much FU income. Yeah, I don't.

Except the jersey that the NHL is selling to fans won't say Adidas. It will say Fanatics And it won't be the same jersey that the guys wear on the ice Why? So Fanatics will become the exclusive manufacturer and supplier of all adult replica NHL jerseys starting next year No, Adidas is Nope, Fanatics

Who's Fanatics? Are they owned by Adidas? No, a separate apparel company But does Adidas get the money? No No. The NHL swore the rights to the replica jerseys that you buy in store for $169 to fanatics. Who I've never heard of.

So when you buy your jersey in the store... You will not be buying the jersey the players wear. You'll be buying a replica, not authentic jersey. Is this the jersey version of selling to Versus instead of ESPN? Yes. 100%. Because Adidas probably didn't want to have to pay for the second part of that. why do you have to pay for both?

Adidas probably said, why do we have to pay for both? And the NHL said, because we're the NHL. Now, here's the fun part. Okay, so here's the thing. Who is this company?

So imagine you come in. Yeah, yeah. I've never heard of Fanatics in my life. Now, it might be an American thing. Our American listeners, maybe you can help us out with that. Never heard of them before. So here's where it gets fun.

Because, yeah, jerseys, what? They're $160, right? That's American, because when I was at the Leafs game, it was $202. No, I think blanks are $160. Named jerseys are $200 something.

I'd get a blank jersey. And then authentics are like $350, $400. Right, right. So you can't buy a jersey made by the same company or the same... You can't. Well, and this is where it gets fun. So go ahead, Jesse. You can buy the Adidas jersey that the guys wear on the ice.

The authentic with the fight strap and the stitching and everything. For $400. But there's only one. Which is what it's always been. there's one tier of the Adidas jersey. The rest of them will be Fanatics jerseys. So all I'm saying is, buy your jerseys this year,

and then don't buy next year. Like, that is, does that not scream cheapening of the brand to you? Because it certainly does to me. No, I'm more mad, I'm more baffled that you have to pay for both. Why? Well, because you can.

Because you can charge for both. If you're the NHL, you can charge for both. So why wouldn't you? Yeah. Makes business sense. Who? But even, no, the idea that they can. Who?

There, what have we said so many times in this podcast? Like, how many things in this society would we just not have if we just started anew? Oh, well, we're going to sell for this and we're going to sell for that. No, it's the same shit, dummy. Make it all the same thing Yeah I don't get it I

Now Here's the thing The NHL probably gets more money then Right? Yes So I guess that's good Because anything to avoid a lockout In a couple years

But here we are again Here we are again As the hardcore fans And all we want Is to buy a Fairly priced jersey That is the same as the players That we love so much

We just want to look like We can't do it And we can't And we can't do it We have to buy a jersey with a fight strap on it. The official jersey. I am not buying a jersey with a fight strap on it. I don't care what it says.

I don't care that it doesn't say Adidas, but I'm also not buying the Fanatics one just on principle alone. I'm buying my jersey this year. It's going to say Reebok, and it will stay that way until the next deal comes up for apparel for them. Fans like to go at each other like, oh, nice jersey. You can tell it's a knockoff.

you know not like mine i bought this at you know at the leaf store or i bought it at a licensed retailer like pro image and pickering town center there's a little plug for you um but now the official jerseys are the knockoffs yep it's an official knockoff yeah so they to me this screams cheapening of the brand you are cheapening the brand you are making it you are you it is an Active, legal, watering down, knocking off of your own product. It's unbelievable. Devil's Advocate, is anyone really going to care? Yes.

I care. I care. I care right now. Now, are moms who are buying jerseys for their kids for Christmas going to know or care? No. They're not going to care. They're not going to care. Are they the majority of consumers?

Yes. However, there are people out there who buy jerseys every year. This will piss them off To high hell And if you alienate that base I think it will I'm not certain it will Are you not one of them?

Yeah but I think that in this room Like top 1% of fans Like we care to the crazy And are we not the people that spend a lot of the money? I want to know what the listeners Of this show think Because you're also top Like we're right up there, top 1

If you're listening, if you're devoting an hour or more to a sports show a hockey show you're right there you're exactly who the NHL wants the

oh what was the term ah I forget doesn't matter crazy fanatics whoa your P1s

can I just can I just say that though that how do you win how do you win something if you're a business tell me

you make a product that is um uh universally used and easy to easy to consume

right that makes sense to consume financially and that sort of thing as well. But also, you cater to your P1s. You cater to your core audience. What is the NFL constantly doing? They are catering to their core audience. You know why?

No, they're not. You want to know why NFL betting has taken off? Legal betting has taken off? Because they realized all their core guys were doing it about 10 years ago and they're like, wow, we better find a way to make money off of this and make it better.

And boy, have they done that. I... And look at the NBA. They cater to hardcore fans. And they cater to not hardcore fans. But if you, if you, I think it's, is it so hard? Is it so hard to grasp that the teams or people would want something that's not a knockoff? I feel like it's going to look like a knockoff.

I feel it's going to, it's going to sit around. It's going to look like a knockoff. I, if it does, we got a problem. If it doesn't, well, I'm not sure what the problem is. I am a little bit annoyed I don't know if I'm annoyed enough to not get one it would be like Apple releasing a computer

using someone else's parts equipment and hardware and software it's exactly the same Steve because it's not authentic if you're buying Toronto Maple Leafs I want Toronto Maple Leafs authentic brand I don't want knockoff it is a knockoff

it's an officially licensed knockoff they lease out a cheaper version of their jersey it's literally a knockoff Do the fans see savings? Will the fans... And that always rules. They will. So will the jerseys be cheaper?

No, they're the same price. Oh, they're the same price. They're the same price. Que cuiste. The NHL just got to sell their jersey rights twice. And why wouldn't you... You know, you're the NHL. You're always fighting for notoriety amongst the other big leagues.

Wouldn't you want the association with that brand? Wouldn't you want the association with Adidas? The company that just threw a Brinks truck of money at Conor McDavid, I'm sure. Yeah, and what about, you know, doesn't Adidas do... Well, and since, you know, they own Reebok, you've had a relationship with this company for now 10 years? Maybe more? And you want to keep Nike out of it.

Who the hell, who is Fanatics? Apparently they do a lot of, like, the NHL merchandise on the website. Like, you buy a hat or whatever from NHL.com, or like a scarf. Fanatics makes those You better make good stuff You better make it good enough That no one cares Because I think

This is a Sore point That not enough people Will care about Okay To be honest Fair enough It is a little annoying

Maybe it's just a minor annoyance And maybe I'll forget about it But And maybe they're owned Are you sure they're not owned By Adidas or Reebok Or any of that Yeah I'm sure

What the hell I don't understand that at all Well I get it They make more money And could they probably Get a better deal and more percentage of the Jersey profit off of Fanatics? Yes.

Now, Steve, I've sent you a message. I've sent you a message on Facebook. Oh, I see. And the reason I've sent you this message is because we have a demand. I was like, Adam, why are you sending me the... Oh, yeah. Last episode was a little short. So DJ Milken on Twitter, DJ Milken.

Oh, no, DG Milken. He said, since the SDP was so short and the LFR was so late, I think Steve Nangle owes us a hashtag 50 shades of coal on the next podcast. So, DJ, DG from San Diego, sir. Oh, man. Now, wait. Steve is going to drop one on you right now. Which characters are which?

Well, here's what I want you to do. It's from Anna's perspective. This is from, so this is from OG Fifty Shades of Grey. Yeah, this is OG Fifty Shades of Grey, and she is having her first- Encounter. Not, well, first encounter and first big O. Experience? Big O.

Big O. Why can't we say orgasm? She's having her first orgasm. Yeah, I don't know why you're- I think we're all adults here. And this is, she's having her first big orgasm. And so Bob Cole is about to experience the same thing. You're going

Bob Cole's about to narrate it So okay All the guys lines I think there's only one No there's no guys lines No yes there is There's one Oh okay

We'll be This has been a while If you're a new listener You're in for a treat Oh Sorry Oh please I beg

And I pull my head back My mouth open As I groan My legs stiffening Holy hell What's happening to me Let go baby He murmurs

Start from that one again Let's get it I'm trying to give you The big O here And the O is for Opportunity His teeth No

His teeth close round my nipple and his thumb and finger pull hard and I fall apart in his hands my body convulsing and shattering into a thousand pieces he kisses me

deeply his tongue in my mouth absorbing my cries this is a best seller oh my that was extraordinary wow she really came back down to earth real quick

this is how the lines go he kisses me deeply his tongue in my mouth absorbing my cries oh my that was extraordinary now i know what all the fuss is about he gazes down at me a satisfied smile on his face while i'm sure there's nothing but gratitude and awe on mine Wow Orgasm Press conference That was a good throwback It's been a while since we've done that

Oh baby I think the last time we did one of those A. It was in my house B. I remember the first time we did that And that was one of Jesse's first episodes And I remember having Jesse wasn't saying anything at this point Like he was just coming in

Observing Doing the show But he was just kind of Getting accustomed to it And we were sitting around My dinner table My dinner table And it was the middle

It's echoing through your apartment Yeah Yeah cause our My inner goddess is dancing To merengue Actual line Yes Jesse

And doing some salsa moves So Pam's DM'd me Pan? Pams. Panned? My palms are sweaty.

There's a D on the end. It's his Twitter name. Uh-oh. He says, hey, man, I know this is a lot to ask, but I'm a huge fan of the SDP. The other day, I just bought tickets and the works to surprise my girlfriend with a trip to Disneyland. Oh, cool. Wow. I always listen to the podcast while driving, and it drives her nuts.

And I think it would be hilarious and awesome if you guys could announce that to her. That he bought her tickets to Disneyland. Did we get a name? Her name is Mackenzie. Okay. And it's from her very loving boyfriend, Curtis. Mackenzie! Curtis is taking you to Disneyland!

And you're going to be listening to us the whole way there! Noises like this, and noises like this. And old. Oh baby And hopefully the entire way there You can listen to us And what we have to say 1-1

First intermission Can you do the His teeth close around my nipple But do it in Don Cherry Can you please do that Just that second Let go baby Oh please

I beg and I pull my hair back my mouth open as I groan my legs stiffening holy hell what's happening to me let go baby that was my Ron he murmurs his teeth

his teeth close round my nipple and his thumb and finger pull hard what is this some European thing you're trying I scream And I fall apart in his hands My body convulsing and shattering Like a visor

Stupid Into a thousand pieces He kisses me Deeply His tongue in my mouth Absorbing my cries Like Dougie Remember that one time

He came on the show anyway God love him Oh my That was extraordinary Now I know what all the fuss is about He gazes down at me Satisfied Smile on his face

While I'm sure There's nothing But gratitude and awe On mine Kingston There you go Wow Well done man

Well done You only wanted that one part Mackenzie Guess what You won the Super Bowl Or the Stanley Cup Nah No?

Super Bowl's more iconic Okay so I heard a story I'm not sure if I'm allowed To say who I heard The story from So I'll just say I heard a story Supposedly, Patrick Waugh, the rumor is Patrick Waugh got paid a bunch of money to say,

I'm going to Disneyland. I've heard this. Oh, okay, so you have heard this? When the Habs won the Stanley Cup in 93. But he didn't know what camera he was on, right? So if it doesn't go on TV, it doesn't get paid. So apparently, the whole time he has the cup, he's just going, I'm going to Disneyland!

I'm going to Disneyland! I'm going to Disneyland! I'm going to Disneyland! So that famous picture Where he's going Ah Like apparently He's screaming

I'm going to Disneyland Make sure That's not TV Please be video Please let there be video There has to be I just don't know If you can hear it

But I'm a really good lip reader Alright So maybe I don't know In the two Canadian games I watched this week I saw The Wave

Is that a thing Up there for hockey No Here in St. Louis Starting The Wave At a hockey game Will get you thrown out That's from Matt Harris

I remember producer Chris saying that the Vancouver Canucks fans had created the wave for all sports. That it started in Vancouver. No. I have a really hard time believing that it started in Vancouver. Because I believe it started in the 70s. The Greeks invented everything? Yeah, I think it started in the 70s. But I don't remember where.

And I think it was baseball stadiums. I thought it was in Central South America for when you're bored. Or like there's a lull in the action, right? I thought it was a South American thing, yeah. I thought it was to articulate that you're not having a good time. No, no, no. Have you guys not heard of Vancouver in Central America? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

The Vancouver of Central America? Thank God for Google. What is it? The Wave was created by Crazy George Henderson on October 15th, 1981 at the televised A's vs. Yankees playoff game in Oakland. There you go. It was in... Oh, wow.

So now, like, that's so frowned upon that it happens at playoff games. It was invented at one? That's fascinating. Well, people had more fun in the 80s. I don't know why people are so down on the wave. Who cares? If you don't want to participate, just don't do it. I don't really care.

I'm more down on a guy who streaks on the field while it's the bottom, literally the bottom of the ninth in the J season is on the line. Yeah. I was at that game. It drove me nuts. Like, I mean, okay, the odds are going to come back. Pretty slim. But they can.

It's Batista at the plate Top of the order Keep your fucking clothes on Yeah And don't throw beer at babies And the reason it's called The Mexican Wave Because in the World Cup

In 1986 Everybody in the stadium Did the wave And then it got attributed To the Mexicans Well there you go To their football team So that's what I heard

But it ain't the Mexicans No Damn Yankees Well I guess Donald Trump Would be against the wave Right? Well see But he would explain

How it was actually Invented by an American Okay First they steal our jobs they steal the wave what's next? that's a bad ombre

am I right? bad wave ombre those are some bad wave ombres who is it? was it a woman? such a nasty woman such a nasty woman alright go

this year who will be the old man who has never won a cup that's traded to the Blackhawks that's a damn good who's that from? that's from Eben E-Bed's great question.

Richard Pott. No, not old enough. Not old enough. Who will be that person? It has to be from a team that didn't expect to fail, but is failing. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Boston trades Zidane O'Chara. I got one, too. Boston trades Zidane O'Chara if they're not in the playoff contention by trade deadline.

See, though, he has a cup, though. So it's not like a win it for Ray Bork sort of thing. It's not like a Michael Hanzo thing. I mean, you know what? That is a storyline that I think could develop throughout the year. Because Boston is going to have a rough time. And their defense is so bad. Yeah, isn't it amazing that two teams already are without both their goalies?

The Kings and the Bruins. Those are two screwed teams. Yep. I think I know who it'll be. Oh. Who dat? Joey Thornton. I think the Sharks will be in it.

Yeah? I think it's okay for the old man to stay with the team he's on if the old team is a contender. What if they're not good? If they're not good, then yeah. I could definitely see that Any chance Or Patty Marlowe The Coyotes are at the bottom

They're in the basement Of the NHL right now I think they have one win This year Two points I think they're one in six Yeah So

Something like that Any chance Shane Doan Wants to Any chance No You know what I think it was I want to say Dean Blundell

Took some heat Well he went maybe A little over the top Saying like What does Shane Doan Not want to win No way He was like

What does Shane Doan Not want to win Now Maybe a little over the top, but if they're in like the bottom five in the league and it's the trade deadline, part of your legacy with that team could be you help them get something and then maybe, just maybe, you go and win a Stanley Cup. Why wouldn't you want that? I don't understand why that's not, surely that's appealing. I was salty about Matt Sundin not accepting a trade at the trade deadline. I was for that same reason

Me too I thought And you know what Sorry He did set the team back They were They had Jeff Carter In a first round pick

Coming for him I'm sorry He did He did set the team back He did There's no other way To put it Yes it was his right

Yes it was in his contract But did he set the team back This is my thing No Cliff Fletcher set the team back Or whoever signed that deal Fine Fine

You Do not Sign a player To a no trade clause And then get All up in arms when they don't want to waive it

because the reason they have a no trade clause is because they left money on the table. All right, fine. Ten times out of ten, Sundin left money on the table.

Fine. You're right. You're right. I'm with you on that. Is that the last question? Shane Doan's a good one. That's a good one. Next episode,

that is the last question, but next episode, we're going to go into the problems with the song Skater Boy. What? That's your tease. There are some issues

with Avril Lavigne's Skater Boy that we need to address in the press conference. I don't think there are. there are I think the problem is we're still talking about it what's it

wait why what is this why is this why is this why is this happening next press conference we need to address

skater boy Baffer Levine because there's a problem alright well I'm I I hope this gets lost in the weekend

I hope this gets lost in the weekend no and you forget it for Tuesday I actually think this is probably going to be pretty good

yeah no me too I'm pretty excited about it so okay hey thanks to everybody that wrote in, thanks to Mark T. Abs, especially for that Bobby Nick's burger segment. Great video, I'm converted.

I'm a Bob Lever. You know what, Bob Nicholson, if you're listening to this, I want the pancetta bacon. Can you send me a pancetta bacon one, then maybe we're on the same team. Bob, if you're listening to this, I trust your expertise. Wow. Wow. I said it. Do you have a Gordon Ramsay impression?

Not really, it's not a very well developed one. I mean, you just kind of deepen your voice and scream. You fat piece of Yankee Danky doodle shite You ever hear that one? That's a Gordon Ramsay quote I didn't make that up

Yankee danky doodle shite You fat piece of Yankee danky doodle shite Wow His non-kid show I saw a clip the other day Where they took all his Hell's Kitchen with the adults And they put it over the

The kids one He's just like you're worthless where's the lamb sauce you need to watch the BBC version of all the shows that he did in America because they're all

they're uncensored crazy crazy and they're real they're not like actors they're because in England they actually

can just do that they don't expect it to be acted it's because you can tell in some cases there's some acting going on there

there's no not in American reality television no no I like I like

Kitchen Nightmares because there's a simmer there's a simmer to it because it starts with oh dear oh dear and look at this what's this?

you did that to the oh my god what the fuck are you doing? it just it starts so slow have you seen Hotel Hell? oh the best

the worst the best I love yo man I'll fully admit it Gordon Ramsay shows are my favorite I'll watch anything

what is it called MasterChef Junior is that what it is and he is a completely different person completely different not mentality

behavior yeah yeah and like he's a father figure to these kids and he does it amazingly he would be

God's gift to professional wrestling he is the perfect heel and face he's the he is he's so cool he's

yeah what interviewed him once one of the nicest and best interviews I've ever done. Can you imagine if he wasn't? Oh,

just Gordon Ramsay. You're an idiot sandwich. Yo, I thought that was real. What? No, it is real. It is.

What are you? An idiot sandwich. No, that was, I'm pretty sure that was from a skit. He didn't actually make a woman,

a grown woman say she was an idiot sandwich. Look it up. Is the idiot sandwich thinking of him? I'm pretty sure it was a skit. And if it's not,

holy shit, That's incredible. I can't even look this up. I'm laughing too much. Who is the idiot sandwich? Someone's obviously Googled this before. What are you? No, it's not real. They had an article

on E about it the day after it happened. So what's it say? Is he called something? No, that's because Julie Chen and the Big Brother. Was it Julie Chen from Big Brother? No. No. I'm going to play the clip just for anybody that hasn't heard it yet.

No, no, it has to be... Hold on. No. All right. What are you? An idiot sandwich. Idiot sandwich what? An idiot sandwich Chef Ramsay.

Oh, you know what? It might... Yeah, MasterChef doesn't have a laugh track. It's from James Corden. Oh, thank God. Because I'm like, that is really close to not cool. He has Julie Chen's face. I'm going to go with that is already not cool.

I want more Gordon Ramsay on my TV That'll get him kicked off He has Julie Chen's face In between two slices of white bread It is Julie Chen I didn't even notice that before Julie Chen's married to like the president of NBC CBS

CBS Two pieces of bread in between her head I'm gonna go with he's one of like The best people in media Because he does the heel, he does the face He has a YouTube video where he's like Here's how you make scrambled eggs And I make them that way now

And they're fucking amazing And then he makes a sex joke at the end And then you can give it to the missus in bed The breakfast The breakfast of course Alright well we gotta go Steve and I I'm glad we fell off the wagon

Only at the end of the show today We had a swear free show And then the soft porn But no swearing And then fucking Gordon Ramsay bullshit I was, you know, when I was looking up those Fifty Shades of Grey clips, it was like, there was like, you know, the dirtiest, the dirtiest parts. And I was really upset because one of them said,

because they have like a little byline, like a little headline that leads it into what the paragraph's about. One of them said, on nipple clamps. And I was like, oh, that'll be perfect. And then it was like, oh, this is too tight. Oh, loosen this up. Oh, I've got this perfect ball gag. Like, it was like, this is, this is not, this is not descriptive enough.

This is not good enough. Why is this series getting more movies? That's for another show. For another show. We must go. It is the Steve Dangle Podcast. Thanks so much for listening. He was a skater boy.

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