The Steve Dangle Podcast - They're Gonna Win the Cup | May 4, 2022

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

On this episode of the Steve Dangle Podcast, the Leafs beat the Lightning 5-0 in game 1 (00:00), the Hurricanes beat Bruins in game 1 (27:00), the Kings beat the Oilers in game 1 and Mike Smith doesn't TEND THE GOAL (31:00), the Penguins beat the Rangers in game 1 and did Kakko score? (42:00), are the Florida Panthers a fraud? (57:00), the Predators can't keep up with the Avalanche (1:04:00), the Rock quits Fast 10 (1:07:00), the Flames hold on to beat the Stars (1:13:00), Jared Spurgeon avoids a suspension (1:18:00), the Canucks don't want to re-sign Bruce Boudreau (1:24:00), John Klingberg is UPSET (1:28:00), and should goals be worth two? (1:35:00). Originally aired: May 4, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/roQeSk5AovM Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Individuals must be 19 years of age or older to open a Sports Interaction account. Terms and Conditions apply. Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc/en-us/articles/216779528-Responsible-Gaming-Self-Limitation-Self-Exclusion Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Sports Interaction is subject to successful AGCO registration and execution of an Operating Agreement with iGaming Ontario. The Eligible iGames conducted and managed by iGO are only available to those physically present in the Province of Ontario. Visit this episode's sponsors: Get 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. That’s 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. It’s time to get wet and clean with your new MANSCAPED™ Shower Routine." https://manscaped.com/ CODE: DANGLE https://stathead.com/ CODE: SDP https://stance.com/ CODE: ATHLETIC https://rhoback.com/ CODE: DANGLE http://seatgeek.com/ CODE: SDP https://sportsinteraction.com/sdp Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All right, so I started Monday's show asking, how we doing, Leafs Nation? So I want to start Wednesday's show How we doing Leafs Nation And I want to start with The Heart rate of 133 Steve Dangle

How you feeling It's not how I'm feeling Adam Is it what you're seeing What are you seeing My vision Coming to life 5-0 That wasn't in the vision

But maybe it was Maybe it was and I just wasn't seeing hard enough my own vision five nothing are we all joking are we all serious Adam do you like Steve's bit for this playoff that he

that he saw Nostradangle I do like it are you not it works I think it works here's what it is I think he needs to get a little more Billy Graham about it yeah like a little bit more cheesy preacher from television take it to the

nth degree yeah Jesse see these donuts yeah the reason you see them is because they're right in front of you yeah so is my vision the reason i see them is because i was right the reason you see these but you won't see my vision is you won't allow yourself i see your vision it's just we'll see how it plays out i don't like it's hard to evaluate a game one when one team doesn't show up hey listen that was so weird so so here's what i want to say i want to say something about that start that right away the leafs play objectively their best game in the year and i and i gotta give huge credit huge marks to john cooper because all he did was he

came out and he said and here's and this is the narrative that everybody's run with afterwards john cooper said well it's really hard to get an evaluation on either team based on how we played and what he is doing is a deflecting b giving his team some time he's playing for time because like listen he can't say that if that happens again in game two tonight right no no but what he is able to do is go listen uh we're a better team i believe in my guys without having to say it and also kind of distract from the fact that tampa just looked completely outmatched yeah are they are they going to play that badly the rest of the series no but i think it takes away from the fact that the leafs played that well and put them off their game especially since really the game really

picked up when kyle clifford was sent off you you have two fan bases talking about uh completely different things uh like i had conversations with leaf fans around our age asking whether or not this is the best leaf playoff game of our lifetime and it might be it might honest to goodness be meanwhile the tampa bay lightning this is literally quantifiably their worst playoff game since 1996 when they lost 6-1 in game six of round one to the philadelphia flyers and i i remembered something i wish i had remembered it for the lfr but i remembered it after the fact there was a game where the leafs were losing i don't remember which game this was where sheldon keith challenged a goal it was either for goal interference or offside

knowing he didn't have a great shot at getting it right and he got it wrong and the way he saw it was well if i'm right the goal will get called back if i'm wrong we'll go on the penalty kill and it'll wake the team up right which what a strange thing to think oh you know what this team needs oh boy the boys are reeling do they need a timeout no should i play the big boys more no what i need to do is put them on the penalty kill pardon and i sat there when kyle clifford i i found out during the commercial break on stream that he got a then he got five in a game i didn't know immediately it was five in a game and i said all right well here's the game here it is right here the leafs are either about to

lose it and the rest of the night is just because you have to play it or like Sheldon Keefe said earlier this season, this could carry them for the rest of the night. A hockey game in the NHL is 60 minutes long. So long. Monday night, 33 of the 60 minutes played between Tampa and Toronto was at 5-on-5. The rest of it was on special teams and the leafs are so good at the penalty kill and on the power play that when they're

playing almost half of the entire game on special teams it's tilted to their favor and i think we saw that it's i and i would have i was wrong immediately immediately what was my number one concern heading into the series i don't think their penalty kill matches up well against campus power no but their penalty kill is amazing and it's been that way all season well and it it said Kind of what we were talking about on Monday's show, which is the Leafs' penalty kill is at its best when it spreads you out. If it's condensed, that's when you get into trouble.

And they kept Tampa spread out. There was a lot of breakaways, a lot of odd man rushes. The speed, the speed, the speed. The Leafs skated them into the ground. There were a few teams who, in their first game of their playoff series, really failed to make an adjustment at special teams. Tampa failed in game one to make any adjustment

um to the leafs penalty kill at all and uh you know the minnesota wild failed to adjust to the st louis blues and i know this because of alan walsh client getting a hat trick on on uh alan walsh client alan walsh client mark andre flurry so i don't know how he felt about it are you allowed to tweet it out alan had a very good couple days because yesterday the draw the biggest drama of the night louis deming oh octagon client baby octagon got into the game three periods six periods in and i can only assume alan walsh was on the phone trying to get morgan riley suspended for 10 games because he punched alan walsh client yan ruda in the forehead i'm starting to learn like all of them yeah oh yeah it's just fun now it's just fun i like the bit i uh if one gets

called up i'm like oh here we go i think this is really interesting because sports interaction like you know we were talking with david on monday but like we're talking up on next alan walsh client there isn't one but i think what's important is that why not the leaves are now favored to win the game the game tonight they're favored to win and uh the the puck line thing which is basically like an extra bat. There's the money line, which is at Toronto at 173. So you just basically multiply

your number. Jesse explained this to me before, but the puck line is if you think they're going to win by two. And Toronto's the favorite team. And that was not what it was 48 hours ago. No, I love you guys trying to teach me this because I'm just like, okay,

here's five bucks. How much do I win? How much do I win if I'm right? Literally everybody from outside Toronto saying, If you think you got a chance in this series, you don't have a chance. Now, that might still be true. This could be over in five, but I don't think so. I just, well, okay. I saw a very interesting stat that it's going to be the stat of the night heading into it.

Andre Vasilevsky, over the last two years, following a loss, is 14-0. He's undefeated after losing a game. With a 9-6-6 save percentage and I believe five shutouts? Yeah, on this cup run, they have been unbelievable coming back from loss. You mean like not this year? Because this is not a cup run year for them anymore. On this two years worth of cup runs for the Tampa Bay Lightning. Adam, before we go too far from what you said,

what happens to those people who are the anti-Leafs people if the Leafs pull off this series? Because you're like, oh, everybody said. But what happens to those people if the Leafs actually win? So whoever they're playing in the next round, then they say, okay, now you don't have a chance. You do what I did to Montreal. And most people did to Montreal last year and go,

they don't have a chance. No, they couldn't have a chance. No way they don't have it. Fuck off. They're in the finals? That's what happens. Dude, it was the craziest thing. It was.

It was fun. But to be honest with you, it's not like the Leafs' run would be a Cinderella story. This is a dominant team. They have home ice advantage. I think Montreal finished, what, 18th? and then 23rd the year before yeah yeah come on it's a little different there's no it's what's what's different is i mean what's different is people's the perception of the franchise but

like adam just said they're the favorite to win the game so it's not surprising if they win but everybody after they win they're like oh fucking leaves they're not gonna do it but isn't it funny how the odds have switched because going in tampa bay yes going in absolutely tampa bay they're the defending stanley cup champions i don't care who has home ice advantage but tampa winning it without their captain in the bubble st louis winning it after being in last place in january the capitals winning it despite never getting over the hump at all the basically the caps won the year after they should they thought they were going to win that's the year after they should have st louis two in a way and tampa definitely absolutely they were the president's trophy

winners and then got swept in the first round what what that's not how this is supposed to work um listen if if i had a reverence for tampa heading into the series i still do um and that's earned and it's earned and it's because i know the leafs are going to get a true education of what it's like to take on a championship caliber team they're going to learn tonight okay so how do you think tonight because we because i i posed the question to you guys on the last show what's it look like if they win the series what's it look like if they don't right so tonight what do you expect to see from tampa i expect this series to come down to one or two games where the team dictating the play loses right game one the leafs dictated the play and one and one they have to

dictate the play tonight do you have to dictate the home team has to dictate right if tampa brings it to the leafs which they will and the leafs wilt at all they're in trouble it's going to be a big problem for them do you get the sense that they will that the leafs will wilt i don't know if it's that they'll wilt i think it might be that tampa just finds a way to jump over the wall i mean uh like so many guys had pedestrian games kucherov meh bad penalty too bad but dumb dumb what did i tell you yeah what did i tell you you you can get him off his game which now he's had 48 hours to get over it and i don't think that's gonna happen two consecutive games brayden point i thought actually did get opportunities on the

power play yeah pedestrian pedestrian the whole power play for them was pedestrian and it looked like a leafs power play versus columbus where we couldn't get past the blue line remember that that series where they it's like oh we go on special teams we can't even get it in the offensive zone and and what did it take sort of like jason spezzo with the leafs in the in the blue jacket series it took cory perry to drag them into the fray late in the game right because i i even said on the stream and perhaps i jinxed it i'm like for a team that's down four nothing or five nothing uh why aren't they fighting back like this is this is a tale as old as time like you're getting your ass kicked it's the beginning of the series fight fight lay some hits fight and they didn't do it

until there were like 10 minutes left and wayne threw a clean hit and wayne threw a perfectly clean hit and they did get they got dirty towards the end man it was uh it was the hit on angle in like the last few seconds yeah hagel and nick paul both went high on engvall which you have to make a considerable effort to do so he's six five right um maroon grabbing riley like that's not your dance partner pat you know it's not you know it's not um uh labushkin so i have i've seen the footage of this i'm surprised i haven't seen it going around labushkin punched a ref in the face like three or four times on accident on accident yeah because cory perry had his jersey over his head i couldn't see and wayne simmons uh and a lot of people were like what the hell did he get

fined for well so it was basically two on one because simmons was trying to get involved but like sorry ref like he's the one he's trying to prevent you from getting punched in the face yeah and it was so weird to have two refs on that fray of three people and then meanwhile Riley has gotten up after getting pummeled by Maroon, he's beating the shit out of Yanruda with really only one punch. And there's a ref in the corner just standing

there like, alright boys, break it up. Did you see on your feed of Riley in the box when his hand was all bloody? Yeah, I mean... I'm like, I don't want Morgan Riley taking chances like that. I agree with you there. Now, it's difficult

to know if he did that on a human skull or punching a helmet. no so he didn't have his helmet what uh no no someone else's helmet like because that happens all the time guys in the fight and the other guy doesn't take off his helmet you hit it what i think might have happened though is because he he basically glanced ruda's forehead which is why ruda was cut open so bad so he might have on the follow-through punched the ice which is that's even worse yeah it's bad it's bad i don't know if he broke anything but i can tell it doesn't tickle whenever i see those guys with those just mulched up knuckles i'm like god you got to wear

a hockey glove on those um nobody saw any of that because it all happened during commercial break which was the most hilarious thing well i'm stunned the american feed did not cut to commercials the canadian feed i found out like two seconds before we came back or not two seconds well and there was not a lot of time and then they barely showed it well they're like there's a line ball game line brawl during break and i go uh what and then when they come back from break they show the lead up to it so remember i can't hear the friggin um commentary what the commentary is saying so i'm watching it and i'm like no that's just what happened before we went to break oh see all of it like we we missed quite a bit didn't we yeah we did now um i think so i think

i think john cooper to you know my point starting off was i think he did the right thing as a coach when you're playing mind games but a lot of people have kind of taken that run with well the Leafs can't be that good it's the Tampa was that bad and I think that that I think obviously for John Cooper brilliantly played that's how you got to do it uh he's been here before he knows what he's doing but I think if you look at it honestly even if you're a Tampa fan you got to know that that that was they Tampa and the Leafs were kind of it was like sort of the beginning of an arm wrestle at the beginning right there was yeah it was sort of nothing happening going back and forth, going back and forth, and here's a golden opportunity

for Tampa to score in a five-minute power play, and they can't get anything going. That's what switches the game. Now, Kyle Clifford suspended a game. I know that, I believe, Corey Perry, Wayne Simmons, and somebody else were fined $2,500. Oh, that'll teach them.

But I think Kyle Clifford did the Leafs a favor so that they have to dress Spetsa tonight, which is great. No, not necessarily. It's Kasha Blackwell Simmons. so who else has the four bunting bunting's back yeah so it looks like yeah that's that okay that's the jonas seagull who had bunting his back there you go wow well and it's amazing the leafs weren't down another forward in game one because it came out today william nylander had food poisoning

day of game one and played great he was puking all day he had a breakaway in the first period yeah unreal so let's talk about two about some of the goals that did go in obviously matthews and Marner in that one game. We're talking about goals that went in? Eclipsed, yeah. Okay, Lilligren's. Eclipsed, yeah, it did. It didn't. Matthews and Marner. No, I just wanted to say it. It didn't. Matthews and Marner

eclipsed their total goal output, both of them for the entire series versus Montreal last year. In one game, Matthews had two, Marner with one. That was great. But I think the one that deserves the most shout out, obviously, is Jake Muzzin's shot was awesome. And he played a great game.

Great screen in front from McKay. Yep. But David Kompf, David Kompf is, that goal was, like it's, David Kompf scored one goal with Chicago the year before. One. Mike Stevens, I was talking to him yesterday and he was at the game in the press box. He said, and the press box is up on the sixth deck. He said he felt the actual press box underneath his feet shaking. It's loud in there. Chris Johnson said, I've been to hundreds of Leaf games.

He said, I've never seen it this loud ever. No, because, well, I always, I always say it's a, it's a building that thrives on pops. Everything was a pop. Everything was a pop. And you always talk about this Leafs fan base, uh, you know, no matter how skilled the team is, what, what do they love the most? What type of Leafs? They love a lunch pail team.

Let's get to, he, he does, he might not score a lot of goals, but he's handsome and he fights good. Like, you know, it's a little like that. so that's ingrained into their soul and also they see so many matthews goals it's like we take it for granted yes so it's almost it in a in a bizarre way that doesn't make any sense except it makes perfect sense a fight killing off a five minute major is like the perfect way to start the series for the fans oh yeah you know what i mean and then a jake muzzin goal and a jake that's what kicks off the playoffs for the Leafs, a Jake

Muzzin slap shot? That's ridiculous. And you know who loved that? Edge. Noted Leaf fan, Edge. One Muzzin who the Leafs were so shit in games 5, 6, and well, and 7. 7, he wasn't there and they only scored one goal.

5 and 6, he scored like more than half the goals. Didn't he? Didn't they score, what was it, 4 or 5 and he scored 3 of them? One was on the power play, I think. so him getting the first one and looking great and healthy more importantly um man like i don't know do you have any notes i don't have any notes no which and how often do you leave a leaf game like that we're talking about looking towards tonight and i'm thinking 14 and one like that's

what i that's i'm 14 and oh oh i'm thinking 14 and one by the end of uh when we wake up tomorrow You know, I'm riding the momentum of the Leafs, and I think it's probably 2-0 heading to Tampa, and Tampa comes back in Game 3. That's how I'm kind of forecasting the series, and we're talking about visions. It's just, you know it's not going to be. It's going to be so tough, but I don't see how the Leafs don't feel the energy of the crowd compound everything they did well in Game 1. Like, they did really nothing wrong, and the idea is Tampa didn't play well, so they got away with everything. but if that's not the case we're just going to see a continuation of game one so after the game sheldon keith rants the fans the fans the fans the story is the fans the fans the fans if you're

tampa you have one mission and that's to murder the leafs in the first five take take the fans out of it yeah yeah so watch for that i think the leafs know that though the the thing i hope so they've had some shitty starts this year they have but i think the thing for me with the leafs is that i just feel like it's i feel like they know like how many times they were dialed they've learned this let they were dialed they were focused it was and it was you know it was sort of a uh like i said like a arm wrestle at the beginning and then the leafs just kind of got the edge and then never let up it's you know sometimes i can relate to this as a poor student sometimes it takes a while for it to click but when it does you'll never forget it and maybe

Montreal is what took for it to get it to click. Or maybe just knowing you could against Tampa because now that here's the thing now that you know that you can do this

to Tampa and by the way Leafs aren't the only team that started a game one like that. Columbus also also beat Tampa in four. I'm not saying the Leafs

are going to do that. It'd be lovely if they did. Sure would be great. But so I'm not against it if their Leafs are listening. I hope you guys know that you can go ahead and do that.

Go sweep them. That's great. I'd be okay. I'd be cool with it. You didn't ask my opinion but I'd be cool. Jesse, would you be okay with it? That'd be fine.

We get a lot less content. That's true. If we got seven games of this, it's a lot more content. We'd get more. Yeah. Because we'd get the second round. No. At minimum, we would have eight games.

If you want seven games and they advance, then you get the maximum amount of content. Let's save the seven games for later. So, long story short, the uh it will be very interesting to see what how the first five minutes go tonight i think they're that is so key to everything um i think we see a really slow game really yeah is that your prediction yeah i think it's a was i right or what about what the leafs don't run and gun they're methodical yeah they like to control the game if it's a slow game they win speaking of

methodical did you see mark my thoughts tweets no he said the fix is in he couldn't watch the game anymore why is what is why is mark mathot so worked up about this because he is obsessed with the leafs he can never not he has a podcast about the senators and he just tweets about the leafs man i don't know i don't i'll be honest with you i never tweet about the senators unless the leafs are playing the senators and i think that's true for most leaf fans that's not true for mark mathot and his band of merry men i don't know why he just needs to talk about it mark Mathod is the old man in a in a bait and tackle shop just going you know you could get all this from the earth for free right what what are all you go dig up your own words paying for it dig

up your own words and he does like Mark Mathod makes me wonder why anyone pays for bait so I think it's a slow game where the Leafs control the play um I've become the dump on the refs guys so I want to say this high five to every referee on the ice last night they called penalties that were penalties and there were a ton of pounds so you mean monday monday sorry monday with the leafs yeah i think it was yesterday um every penalty that was actually an infraction they called it and the reason that the game was going both ways yep the reason the game was 33 minutes only at five on fives because they kept calling penalties and i think they're going to keep that up so keep doing it refs you got to keep this up you set a precedence for the series and i hope it

continues and if that happens i think the leafs win game two the first thing i thought of when i allowed myself to think that happy thought jesse it's a happy thought game one against boston that's how it was called in 2019 game two was anarchy absolute anarchy i really hope we don't see that i hope they keep this up i want to see a bunch of penalties so there are in fact i'm going to move through some of the series because there have been some great stories in every game and and the next one i want to talk about is is the carolina boston series now i know like even if i'm looking at sports interaction right now carolina is favored on the puck line over two goals if they win by over two goals tonight it's a 3.15 right so multiply your money by 3.15 i

lost in winning that oops i think everybody outside of carolina rightfully so had some question mark and and it comes down to not just the fact that the canes are i think what are they a perennial second round and out team yeah and and then beyond that you'll lose freddie anderson who is i don't know guys if i know that's a legitimate concern and i know shisterkin yes and I know she's starting will win the Vesna but you'd give him

some second and third place votes wouldn't you absolutely third place yeah yeah I have Sorokin too

and then Freddie yeah agreed I think Sorokin for sure he's in there um and I think anti-rant

of putting up a shutout and the Canes controlling the pace of game the thing that Boston is known for

Carolina did to them in the first game it was a shutout like a perfect game preserved by a great catch in the outfield

because there was a player on the Hurricanes who made a spectacular save ian cole that dude made a glove save what a madman with the inside it was in hat picks sports now youtube channel check that out i i i it was a fantastic night one of the playoffs and sometimes i get you know frazzled i mean you you saw me by the end of monday i'm i'm like

holy shit two months of this you know i'm sorry game uh round one is the best yeah here it is Here it is. Jesse's showing it. That's a nail on Charlie Coyle. And what was smart is that he didn't wrap his hand around it. Because that's a penalty shot. Nice. Yeah.

Great save. Great save. I also, you know, I think that series is a lot more even than people are giving it credit for. I do. You still, like, Carolina has a little bit of the Toronto, although much less so. Boston loves drawing teams with a little bit of the Toronto. Yeah. They got a sprinkle of the Toronto in that they've underperformed the expectations

that you think that this team is capable of in the playoffs for one reason or another. But they know. I think they know. And I think CJ's been talking about this all year. Is this the last real run for Boston? You know, we've been saying it a little bit more and more and more. It's hard to imagine. It is.

But, like, if Carolina does put them out quickly, you have to think that there would be some changes coming not that bergeron would be in montreal like somebody suggests that bergeron and crosby will go to montreal oh yeah i didn't see that because i'm blocked good but i found good because it i don't think you need to see that person's tweets but i just thought it was like okay that's ridiculous and and the idea that crosby leave pittsburgh lol but bergeron i just don't see it i he's not leaving boston no and boston's not letting them go but i do wonder about how much longer the bruins could continue to play at this level without some sort of retool that'll that'll be interesting um yeah it's oh man and we know

what do you even change about the team like they're pretty good yeah you know that's a tough one like you got to really get your your hockey trade hat on for that you know maybe and they have kind of rehabbed their uh their relationship with jake debrask too who was playing better i think he's injured absolutely but uh that was looking like it was on the way out la and edmonton Now, I got to tell you, guys, Phil Deneau. And Kopitar. But Phil Deneau. That one-two punch, I really underestimated.

It was a great game. Yeah. It was a great game. Fantastic game. Holy shit, can we get seven games of that? It was awesome. Yeah. Yeah, both teams, all they want to do is score off the rush.

And LA's defense is not letting it happen for Edmonton at all, especially when the Deneau line is on. I think I saw, I forget who does the advanced test. They might be evolving hockey, but they had when the Deneau line was on. I think it was zero rush chances total for the game, which is insane. But both of those teams, it's such running gun hockey. Here it is. Harmon Dale from Canucks.

He's a Canucks reporter for the NHL, sort of the athletic NHL. I don't know when. Phil Deneau played a combined 826 at 5 on 5 against dry side alert McDavid. Wow. Edmonton managed just one shot on goal in that sample. Deneau flexing his elite defense chops again. And I keep saying this. That was part of my bracket.

Don't underestimate Phil Deneau. And he scored. And I hate to bring it back to the Leafs while we're talking about an Alberta team, but bear with me for one second. Victor Hedman played less than a minute against Matthews and Marner at five on five. That will not.

That won't happen again. That's a credit to Sheldon Keefe, too. That's line matching for the home team. Where you're not throwing that out when you see the big Hedman out there. And a lot, a lot of penalties. Yes. There's not a lot of five-on-five time for them to get out there.

I'm sure Marner had been faced off. So, I mean, if you're Jay Woodcroft, I mean, you have a pretty – you know what your mission is. Oh, go, go, go. I was going to say, my story from the Edmonton Kings game is yelling about the dance. Can we get five minutes on Mike Smith? I don't think I've ever heard it.

I don't think I've ever heard it before. I've got to save my voice for tonight. No, don't. If you're a goaltender. the goal holy mike smith he had a fantastic game and if you're a goaltender turn the goal else you might cost your team a victory in game number one and it's ridiculous oh my gosh look at that this is this is you can put that on the app i just put this on the damn screen holy crap mike smith he's behind for everybody listening he's

behind the net there's a kings player in front of the net there's a there's a i think that's nurse keith and he is a duncan keith air canada guy coast so supreme and sports net logo away so about seven feet away from this and mike smith makes the wrong play and it leads directly to a king school dude and and what okay so my question is like when when mistakes happen you can see oftentimes what they were trying to do and what happened what was he trying to do he he had a man he had a it's it's what we like to call ian tolick i'm sorry for throwing you under the bus he is one of our better players in terms of skill in eashl but he has a propensity for low percentage plays does he do that sometimes but when he hits them we're like

holy shit yeah the jay garner on your team yeah and my and yeah but oh man when he's when he does it when he does it oh he's just he has the man there keith is coming around the board that's that's your pass 99 times out of 99 and that's why i'm gonna hit him with what they don't expect and then mike smith decides to go straight up the middle of the ice with the puck and straight onto a king's uh player stick as a defenseman the thing that you were taught is do not throw the puck up the middle of the ice in the defensive zone under any circumstances. The goalie

should not also do that. No, but he's... This is the thing about goalies who have a reputation for being great at handling the puck. It's like you almost need to put the idea in their head that they suck. Because one thing he did really

well down the stretch... There was a game... Mike Smith really started to feel himself down the stretch. There was a game where he took like two shots. we're trying to score the goalie goal yeah and like i'm not trying to discourage that but sir and if i can borrow a line from the kids my brother in christ there is less than five and a half minutes left in a tied playoff game and you're firing it up the gut to a man in the neutral zone listen if you hit it you're you're a hero you're a hero and we talk about you uh the whole rest of the day but you know the coach is on the bench like that is a low percentage play

yeah and i think if he had just left it there i've tried nurses thought that this king's player coming around behind duncan keith spooks him sorry because because he he looks and then he turns up ice but but keith isn't stupid even if he hits keith with this pass keith rings it around the board 75 there's just options there that are not straight up the middle no i don't think so there were and if in he chose at least the third best option out of three these teams are so evenly matched it looks like in game one that they're they're really evenly matched these are the little things that cost you games because it's not there's not going to be big moments that team just dominated we're often not going to see what we got of toronto and tampa where it's just one

team done it's going to be one little thing that leads to one goal and that's the deciding factor and then it ends 4-3 and you lose. I saw a stat. And I'm working on bringing it up right now. The Edmonton Oilers have lost seven consecutive playoff games. Yes, because of Winnipeg. Because of Winnipeg. No, yeah, because of Winnipeg.

I think that's a little unfair. I can't find it. Mike Smith has not won a Stanley Cup playoff game since, I believe, 2019. Awesome. it's been he's supposedly he's lost 10 consecutive I saw a stat um now the Oilers have not lost 10 consecutive I think the one that they did win against Chicago Koskinen Koskinen it must have been sir like what do you uh sir do you just do you just go all right Mike that was freaking stupid don't do it again you played great he's 40 you're the starter for game he's a man he's 40

He's a, yeah, like that's the oldest or second oldest goalie in the league making a very young mistake. There's your, here's your stat. So Mike Smith, the last time he won a playoff game was for Calgary in 2019. He played for Calgary. I forgot about that. I also forgot. They had a Mike Smith, Dave Riddick lineup there in Calgary.

Okay, here's another way to put it. He's won one playoff game since 2012. When they went all the way to the conference finals, right? They did. dude he's been able to ride that playoff run for literally a decade wrote it to the olympics i think that's 10 years man and like listen they could win the series in five and he could be their best player ahead of mcdavid and dry sidle and the third amazing player of that trio that everyone unanimously loves and appreciates jesse pull your rv why don't people do people not like

him again i i thought he had a rebound that's every year edmonton needs a media versus fans fight and that's they're still that guy's like that's like seven years of fighting about this guy whatever whatever who cares zach iman's been underrated he's had a fantastic season with mcdavid yeah well what a shot he's in another line he's great but uh because he's hurt but he's also a great player now he played most of the year it's yeah but down the stretch he got hurt oh yes so but he played like 70 games don't you think it's don't you guys think it's interesting that by a full point, the Oilers are still

favored to win tonight. The team that loses game one, you come back on home, they should be the favorite. Sports Interaction has got the Kings at 2-7-4. Edmonton Oilers at 1-4-8. That is surprising to me. I thought it would be closer than that because that was a tight one. They're the home team. They're the

favorites heading into game one. They lose game one. You come back, you're still a home team. You should be favored. What are they for the series? What do you mean? Oh, for the series? it's gotta be in the Kings favor it is not it's in the Oilers favor because dude

like I I overrated the loss of Drew Doughty for two reasons one Alan Walsh client Sean Dursey and no I'm not blowing smoke that young man to correct you the series

betting line is even oh it's even my bad sorry I'm looking at the wrong thing they're even on both sides because I tell you what if Edmonton doesn't win tonight even if they do the idea of Deneau and Kopitar

in tandem clamping down on the Edmonton Oilers in LA I don't know how they overcome that you're going to need some listen McDavid beat the entire LA Kings roster I know it's Connor McDavid

and he can do it every game he shouldn't rely on it he could only do it once like that McDavid play was classic McDavid he took the puck literally from his own zone only do it once

he only did it once Jesse that's the third time he's done it this season though no but he only did it once that game it was one goal LA scored four I see what you mean

one was not enough to win that game you need you need he can't do it alone it's not that it's not that type of hockey Philip Deneau

makes it so that You need depth. Whatever team is playing against Philip Deneau, you have to get Herculean frigging performances out of your bottom six. You need a Matt Boleski 2016 run. Yeah. Where you have like 14 goals in the postseason and then never score again. You need Devontae Smith-Pelly and Brett Connolly saying,

hop on, Ovi. We'll show you how it's done. I think what, you know, having Phil Deneau, what it does force you to do is it forces you to have depth and expose the Leafs last year. i i man we did not put enough thought into because he had the really poor season offensively and you know yeah yeah and in the playoffs really in montreal yeah yeah he was just a metapod you know skating around hard hard and and we did not put enough consideration into holy shit they

have a one-two punch of kopitar and dino i did yeah i did i have my bra i have la we didn't do brackets because we didn't have time on Monday, but I have them winning the series. No, I mean starting from the summer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right because I didn't think they were going to make the playoffs either. No. I thought it was going to be another year. You're right. Well, like you know, we didn't have them making the

playoffs. Dude, you have Kopitar Deneau. Forget making the playoffs. You have a window. Yeah. That's a window to win the cup. How many teams can go up against that? That's tough. It's very tough. And Deneau had 28 goals this regular season. Go look at Trevor Moore.

That's right. Yeah, Trevor Moore. Go look at Trevor Moore. His line mate. Mike Stevens often does. Misses him. Has a picture of him. I always imagine, you know that Wolverine picture? Like that Wolverine meme where he's holding the picture? I imagine Wolverine is Mike Smith and that is Trevor Moore's picture.

It has to be. Got to love Mike. Yeah, 31 assists on the air for Trevor Moore this year. Someone had a tweet about mutually beneficial trades between the Leafs and Kings because you look at dersey and you look at more and you're like damn it and then you're like oh muzzin and our starting goalie it's a good deal yeah everybody won yeah good and you know what the least would not even have gotten as far as they did had it not been for muzzin like dersey is coming into his own now

and like it's just not it's just not the same like people ask ask alan alan walsh why it took him so long what's his what's his bum problem um i want to talk about this new york i i we sort of already mentioned the wild in st louis blue so you kind of know the story there perron perron with the hat trick really convincing when i want to there's a couple of questions i have about last night's games guys oh i got an hour on fucking pittsburgh new york okay was it a goal or was it not a goal that's not enough time was it was the dumoulin push a goal or not a goal i think oh man here's here's a tough thing right because defenders are gonna try to draw the goalie

interference as dumb as that is because you could run over your goalie and chase them out of a potential double overtime triple overtime game um but then you're gonna get players looking for the contact as well right so that oh so here's what that's such a tough one off the So they announced it. So they did it last night. They talked about it on the... They talked about it on the after show on Sportsnet. And I was sort of going to sleep listening to it.

And I had to laugh because Kelly Rudy, of course, was pro goalie. No goal. Freed's like, I think that's a goal. And then BXA was like, listen, it's not a goal and here's why. And Kevin BXA is a rare miss. But this, for me, was a big miss. He was a defender. Okay, let's do this.

He said, listen, if you're not strong enough to hold the guy back, then it's goaltender interference. Oh, I disagree. Of course he's wrong. Guys, that is a goal. If a player pushes you in, if you look at the track, who's the skater for New York? Is that Lafreniere?

Yeah. Yeah, because he's the one that passed it. So if you look at Lafreniere's track, he's going across the top of the crease, and Dumoulin pushes him. And if you get pushed, no matter how strong you are, if you get pushed from behind, you will be moved. So he necessitated Lafreniere pushed into the goalie, which pushes Casey to Smith up. And I have to be honest with you.

Like, is that the president you want to set? It was Capo Caco. Oh, it was Capo. He was driving. He was driving. Yeah, that's the one who had the puck. He was driving hard. And he is going.

Capo Caco is not trying to run over Casey to Smith. I don't think so. Capo Caco is not. he's not like literally he's not like eric lindros 1992 so this is where i think everybody has it wrong in the oh he's doomlin's pushing caco to the net look where caco's going here he's heading across the front he's going across across the front yeah so he's not going into it what bx was arguing was that caco's coming straight down and that doomlin forces him but He's clearly not.

Look at where he ends up. Look at where he ends up. And he goes, okay, keep going, keep going, keep going on that replay. Yeah, see? The only reason he takes that angle, because if you look at it too, for an advantageous shot for a shooter, there's nothing about that play that says he's going to the right side. He was going to pull the puck across and try to get it around on his backhand,

which means that he's not trying to bull over Casey DeSmith. He's trying to come across the top of the crease. There's something we're missing here, though. There's another battle in front of the net between another Ranger and another penguin. I can't tell who they are. That's probably Lafreniere. And the ranger.

Maybe. I don't know. I would say the ranger pushes Dumoulin, pushes Kako. If you're charging the net and you make contact with goalie,

I think it's black and white. Is there an overhead? No. But then we're not going to drive the net? No. You drive the net all the time. You take your chances.

But if you get pushed, where's the push? The push is there. You can see it. No, no, no. Literally show me. Here, keep going. Keep going.

Keep going. push yep right there push push and he's pushed just enough and it's doomlin though it's doomlin though who carries de smith out of the net and like kako like what does kako do to drag doomlin through the blue he doesn't he's already passed no but the the situation is kako he doesn't have any other options because that's where the the point of the ice where he skated to He skated to right in front of the goalie. But Dumoulin pushes him out. Watch after this.

He skated right in front of the goalie is where he gets his position to. No, but keep going, keep going, keep going. So he's trying to, when he skates to here, his goal is to try and score from here. And this is the top of the crease, by the way, for the audio side. Oh, yeah, sorry. We're not doing a great job for the audio side. So here he has no options but to come across here and try and score. Him not having the options is his own fault.

Like, that's the situation he put him into. And where he went, he hit the goal. But he was pushing. He was not going to hit the goal. Had Dumoulin angled him out, this is not a problem. He pushes him from behind. What is Dumoulin supposed to do? Allow him?

He's supposed to not be out of position, which he is. He's out of position. No, because Paco beat him. I think I've changed my mind. Bingo. I think this is goalie interference. Yeah. And I'll tell you why.

Judas. Judas over here. because of something i said before re-watching it okay does doomlin push or does caco i don't i don't think caco does this on purpose but caco swooping across initiates contact look he's putting himself that's guys look how caco pushes off right here boom he push it he's pushing back Because he knows Dumoulin's there. Because he's trying to cut across. So because he pushes himself into the guy and then the guy pushes him into the goal.

That's all on Kako. Kako's controlling the entire situation here. He's going to the front of the net. There's a guy behind him. He squeezes in. He touches the goalie. Once you touch the goalie, it's a goalie interference. Listen, Rangers fans, Rangers fans.

I know that we haven't gotten along this year. And I know Austin Matthews is going to win the heart. Okay? But I want you to know that these two are wrong. The NHL is wrong. That's not goaltender interference. So because a guy gets walked, he should be allowed to hit the goalie? He doesn't get walked, though.

He got walked because if he hadn't got walked, Steve, then he wouldn't be behind and he wouldn't have to push against Kako's numbers to try to break a playoff. He didn't even go. So Dumoulin doesn't even try with his stick. He doesn't even bother. Dumoulin doesn't initiate the contact. Kako does.

Look. Because he's trying to cut to the net to get a better angle on the goalie. But Dumoulin's allowed to be there. But Dumoulin is bent at him. And he looks like, I'm looking at his body right now. He looks like a capital R. He looks like he's chewing on Kako's pants, actually, in that angle. He's not in a position to do an adequate push.

Yeah, he doesn't push him. Kako pushes off, if anything. Rangers fans, I just want you to know I'm with you. He's getting his head smashed into the back of his numbers. Because he's late. He's not pushing him. Because he's late and he's off balance. Kako's pushing him with his numbers.

He's late and he's off balance. Look at his head move. Watch Dumoulin's head. Boom! Do you see him bounce off of Kako? If that was a body check, Kako would be getting a call. Rangers fans, you deserve that one. And karma will get you back.

Karma will get you back. Karma will get you back. So with this goal, the Rangers did not deserve to win this game. Oh, man. Guys. Because the whole game, they're being outshot like crazy. It was crazy. In terms of shot attempts.

It was like 20 plus for them. And I think at that point, Pittsburgh had outshot them like 44 to 31. But that's New York's game, guys. Igor Shcherkin, if New York's going to do anything, it all relies on him. And I think Kelly Rudy nailed it. He's like, where's Panarin, man? Where was he in the overtime? Where was he in the game?

He had a couple of shots, a couple of high-danger chances, but he needs to dominate. I watched a period and a half of that overtime. I noticed him once. Got to be there. Once. Got to be there. So I agree with him on that.

That was one of those games. I love the first round because you're paying attention to one game. And when I found out that was in double OT, I was like, that game's still on. It was like 1030. Yeah, I watched that game for, I think, like four hours combined. It was ridiculous. It started at 8 p.m. and ended 10 to midnight. It was stupid.

I could not believe the pace of the second overtime, the third overtime. Oh, brutal. A lot of it was brutal hockey. Because they basically emptied the tank in the second round. Sidney Crosby was amazing. He made a couple plays where he was just... There was one play at the blue line where he just batted the puck out of midair.

Rangers were just kicking it up to the neutral zone, and Sidney Crosby decides, hey, I'm just going to take this puck out of midair, and it leads straight to a scoring chance for Brian Rust, and he should have finished it, and the game should have ended two hours earlier than he was going to do it. And Malkin's tip in overtime,

in the third overtime doing a tip like that with the hand eye and your arms are tired, you forget, right? Your arms and your body are tired. You're exhausted. And this is the first game of the playoffs. What a way to start. Your first game of the playoffs is literally two games.

That's what they did. And Malkin is able to pop that still. That was a great goal. It's funny. Lost in all this, you know. So I'm getting pulled in all these directions. I thought the Rangers would have the edge in this series. And now I'm like, oh, maybe Pittsburgh has the edge.

And I'm like, oh, Pittsburgh's on their third goalie. And it's like, bless Louis Domingue. He did a great job last night. That's a problem. So I'm trying to see if they have an update on the Casey DeSmith injury. He wasn't an injury. He had cramps. It looked to me like it was cramping.

That's what they said this morning on the highlight reels, too. He's just been playing for too long because the game lost. Yo, you got to drink some water, man. Did you see that frigging story, and I will try to find it, about J.S. Jaguar? What was the story? So during one of his playoff runs, I don't know if it was in 2007 when the Ducks won or if it was... Oh, when they lost to Detroit? Oh, three.

Oh, three. No, they beat Detroit. uh they lost in the final to the devils okay from in goal jesus from in goal magazine uh at in goal media on twitter with all the talk of goalies cramping up in this penguins rangers game can't help but think of js jaguar telling us he would leave the iv line in his arm after the first overtime in the playoffs to expedite hydration that's probably not the best considering staff infections and things like that no imagine playing goal with a needle in your arm i'm sure they taped it or something they had to oh yeah that'll stop it um lost in lost in everything so uh louis

comes in after casey smith i hope casey smith is okay and it's just cramping but uh lost in everything ryan lingren's hit on ricard raquel oh and ricard raquel didn't come back yeah he's he's i don't know they don't have um they haven't updated his injuries either but that's a that's a clear hit to the head oh it is it is right and the thing is is like with like with andre kasha you like with ricard rical you weep for the career that could have been because of the injuries he's he's uh like this is this is what i do with hits like this as we watch the slow-mo that's so bad stop stop thinking about the hockey that you watch growing up i don't care how old you are stop thinking. Ken Reed hates this.

He's texting me right now. He's like, I know what Dangle's saying and I hate you. I don't care what it was. What is it? That is a player going up into a hit, which you're allowed to do. It's this angle that's brutal. But it hits him. He beans him.

He beans him right in the friggin' head. Like, okay, what's Lindgren supposed to do? What's Raquel supposed to do? He's not doing anything wrong. Maybe finish your check With a little less aggression The puck's gone

You hit him in the chest You still put him on his ass You want to piss people off in the comments You ready for this Ken Dryden suggests In his book about Steve Montador How about you just don't finish your check How about you make that illegal

Because it's actually interference That play was interference The concept of finishing Well that got a roughing call But the concept of finishing your check as it actually stands in hockey is actually because you do not have the puck and you're holding up a player

from participating in play. It's actually interference. And he said, why don't you just call that? Bob McCowan was a big guy on that. There is. Oh, old school guy. Yeah. Who's a big, who's a big proponent of that.

If you call it by the book every time you finish your check, it's interference. Yeah. Well, no, but there is X amount of time you're allowed to do it, but that's supposed to be for checks that are unavoidable.

He throws this long after the puck is gone, But that's because he knows he's allowed to hit him with X amount of time. So to me, that's not interference because. No, I think it's fair. Lingren is following the rules. Now that I'm seeing where the puck was. Yeah. But if you're talking about rules you'd like to see revisited.

I understand that. So you can limit head injuries. Again, you're never going to take them out forever. But I definitely think you could limit them. As it stands right now, no. If you're Lingren, you hit him a thousand times out of a thousand. It's just he goes straight up into his brain. He could have hip checked him.

would have got a wicked result just don't don't jump into his head he jumps into his head like i know that like when you see the feet go off the ice i know how physics work and i know that doesn't necessarily mean he jumped to me he jumps for just say that's how physics works now i do i'm a genius for the sake of people's brains i would hope players like lingren don't finish those checks in that way where you're going for a guy i think you're right i think that's fair you can finish that hit you can finish it no problem um i want to ask you guys a real question a serious question that's gonna gonna jog a lot of people are the florida panthers a fraud they're no no because people are asking that after the game last night

washington looked like a playoff team you know florida looked like the least four years ago frauds lie to you and with the florida panthers the evidence was all there What's the evidence? Oh, wow. The evidence. No, no, listen. I still have them beating Washington. Even after that game.

Have them beating Washington. They won 13 three-on-three overtime games. Because they... I didn't know that. Dude. Like, they were unbeatable in overtime. The game goes to overtime against Florida. Leave the arena.

And you can see why. Leave the arena. A lot of talent. Leave the... Yeah, forfeit. You can see why. those are not wins that are available in the playoffs they're just not they're not the game changes different season you know and you can look at it however you want well it's still

13 games that florida managed to have tied heading into overtime well what about their opponent their opponent managed to have it tied those are every if you're trying to evaluate a team's regular season performance and how they're going to perform in the playoffs the amount of overtime games each team has that is what we like to call the mystery box and the panthers had more mystery box games than any other team so when you're looking at uh who to who to pick in the playoffs and you're looking for the sure thing regulation wins you got to go with the team that has won the fewest

overtime games. Wow. To me. This is part of the reason why the Leafs actually, who did win some overtime games, they had way more wins outside of overtime than the Panthers I think 44 regular

regulation wins the Leafs had and that was second most in the league I think to Colorado at 47. I might be wrong on that but i'm pretty sure that's what what happened oh i can't wait to get to colorado so on the jesse blake sports report i had julian mckenzie on last week never heard of him and he picked matthews not to score in the series never heard of him and we did uh we didn't exercise i know yeah he's a crazy man he's a crazy man we didn't exercise where we formed a list of the top

five teams most likely to win the stanley cup and initially i didn't have florida in there and julian eventually convinced me to throw them in there over tampa but that's besides the point I didn't have them in there because my biggest indicator for a wolf in sheep's clothing is the President's Trophy. Just by default, every year, if a team wins the President's Trophy, if they're the front-running team in the regular season, they're probably not going to win the Stanley Cup. That's sheep in wolf's clothing. Yeah, there you go. Since 2002, we got two of them.

We got the Blackhawks in 12-13. Since 2002? Since 2002, only two President's Trophy winners have won the Stanley Cup. Having great regular having the best regular season success in the NHL does not constitute a good playoff

team. The Cup is so hard to win. Holy shit. Yeah. It was the Blackhawks who ran away with the entire league in a shortened season. Yes. They were great. From literally game one to raising the Cup, they were the best team. And then the 07-08 Detroit Red Wings, who are one of

the best post-lockout teams. Oh, maybe the, yeah. So just, just going on based off of that, you know, just regular season success isn't playoff success and Florida Panthers might be a fraud. Well, but we'll see. Now you know, I love that. You said that this Florida Panthers didn't lie to you. The evidence was there.

So, so, okay. Florida Panthers still heavily favored. I think they should be. Okay. I still think they'll win. I, but people were disrespecting the caps. People were not, dude, we slandered the caps all season. they had a good last month and a half they had a really good last month yeah you know what two

sneaky teams boilers caps in the last couple months yeah like just completely disrespected and one with a track record of winning so what the hell i don't know yeah it's so weird what's it's honestly i feel bad for ovechkin because it's like it's it's plagued him for years like remember that oh the lockout short year he didn't score in the first 10 games he's like oh i best i guess i better hang him up and then he like won the league scoring title 32 goals i think he had in 48 games does not get talked about enough in terms of you it's one of those things you had to be there it was goofy in real time it was because if you take out those first 10 whatever games it was he had he scored basically a goal a game for the last three quarters of the