The Steve Dangle Podcast - Tickle Me Elbow | May 27, 2024

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

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and the laugh from your party is out in full force baby he's gross we were wrong sorry you were wrong oh jesse jesse was right the whole time adam adam wild more than anybody owes rangers nation an apology i'm sorry as recently as like a couple weeks ago when i was tagging you in tweets being like hey laugh is good you were like i don't think so i wasn't i was more i was more a hater for the lulz um just like slavkovsky like i feel like slavkovsky is going to be our hockey player but i'm going to be a hater until he is damn yeah yeah i'm gonna be Yeah, well, you didn't watch Game 59 when the Montreal Canadiens played the St. Louis Blues

and he was put on the first line with a bunch of great play drivers, of which he is not, and scored a bunch of goals. Facing a bunch of backup goalies in March. You didn't. You didn't. No, I'm kidding. I'm just being a jerk.

I'm just being a jerk. I don't know if that's true, but I said it into a microphone, so there. You know what, Jesse? I knew I was going to get it because I was on NHL Network like you were. I also can now officially say I've made it because I've been on the air with Pierre Maguire

and Nick Alberga was also on too so shout out to him and Anna Dua who's from Toronto Toronto native is a big supporter of all things Leafs a big supporter of all the worst food takes she has terrible food takes it's crazy

the only person worse is Drew maybe we should do a Drew vs Anna YouTube video crossover this summer nothing goes better with movie theater popcorn than mustard and pickle juice. Like, Anna, what the What's wrong with you? What did she say? She dips her pizza. There's no dipping

sauce in the States like we have up here. What? Yeah, apparently not. Apparently there's no dipping sauce in the same way that we do it, which I was surprised at. Land of the free, my ass. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but Nick made mention of it. And she says she dips hers in Chipotle sauce. What do you think about that? Like, from Chipotle. Not for me.

Not for you. Jesse? It's okay. I understand it, but not for me. I don't mind that. I like dips i'm a dip guy so if if you want to do a dip like i'll i'll invite that conversation but what kind of dip though are you a creamy dip or you save like are you are you more of a tomato based dip like what's your dip i'll try any kind of dip yeah i'm not a big ranch person oh and a lot of people are on the ranch train but uh i'll try most dips like a chipotle dip i'll entertain he'll let it he'll let it come up to him and buy him a drink at the bar uh oh yeah creamy garlic's goaded oh but i'm gonna say uh i like uh i like a little sriracha sauce in there though

yeah i like jalapeno cheddar to be difficult oh a lot of people like i'm not that's not for me man can't do it they're okay there's a couple places that do it really poorly yeah there's a couple places that do it really well yeah okay that's maybe i need to get your uh your take on that but all right the reason i brought up pierre mcguire is because on the first period pierre mcguire and i were chatting we're having a chat and lafford here gets in on a breakaway and scores one of the most beautiful goals i've ever seen thank you for bringing us back to that maddie bring this up let's go adam wild steve dangle back in october talking a lot of nonsense 1.5 they're over under on the season just watch watch the clip okay adam wild steve dangle talking a lot

of nonsense garbage and get a first overall pick to play like a first overall pick that is a boost that no other team is getting adam i i will say i love what what arm of propaganda are you where he feels like excuse me what no laugh on the wing not excite you that's something he didn't want to do he didn't want to play right wing all last year because galant couldn't get him to do it he likes the left wing and now he's a right winger he can fit on that first line i'm very hopeful so that was a good explanation sure but it started like someone trying to justify their difficult friend to the rest of the team.

No, really, he'll warm up and... No, I'm not buying it. No, I'm not buying it, Steve! I'm not buying it! Now, to be fair to us, Lafreniere had been healthy, and his career high in points before this year was 39. He was a

child! And he's now up to 57, which is great. He almost had 30 goals this year. 12 points in 13 playoff games this year. Wow. Outstanding. Jesse... And he's getting better with the good takes jesse with no but he like honestly he was a baby and he wasn't not every or we need to like adjust our expectations on first overall picks because not every first overall pick is conor bedard and to be fair they a little bit they threw him into a position where

he clearly wasn't ready and just needed more maturing to get to the level he's at right now shout out dan on twitter who uh sent that clip on april 12th and he said streets don't forget Steve and Adam laughing at Jesse Blake for suggesting Lafreniere would break out this season and help the Rangers succeed. And Adam Wild responded to that tweet by saying... Oh, I don't have your response there. Did I retweet the comment?

I'll find it after. It's okay. By the way, I have never seen a grumpier group of winners than the New York Rangers fans this morning. Guys, you won. No. What's the matter, man? This is how it works, Adam. Why are you so upset? They didn't call the goal in the way in which I thought

it should be called i uh person who person who only calls football games was calling a hockey game and that makes me mad well i didn't why oh they keep bringing up shot attempts yeah yeah they got caved in like what are you talking about but steve you said you said this for years what if the leafs ever are like just moderately successful in any realm of hockey yeah you are going to be a complete asshole i'm gonna be so awful i am gonna give you a reason to hate leave fans i'm gonna give you a reason to be right for a change it's not half you think it's bad oh fuck i got something for you if they oh years of preparation yeah oh so adam you said there being like oh rangers fans they're all upset no you just you've never experienced being

like everybody didn't believe in us and now we're doing it i'm gonna be an indignant piece of shit about it that's true that's true you know what that's very true i've never experienced that i've never had the pleasure of experiencing that kind of misery and you know i can't wait for that day yeah like what's it like it's gonna be a miserable day and i'm gonna be thrilled to be there oh yeah i can't wait i can't wait steve's gonna be the king of this i went all the way back to april 12th just to retweet me and adam being wrong hey jesse being right let's go i will also retweet it listen um it's lafreniere had has had a spectacular couple of games here he really has he scored like one of the sexiest goals of these playoffs and then he beat it

later that game like holy oh no he's he's unreal so i don't recognize that kid well and and there is something to be said and leaf fans know this about performances in the playoffs yep you know congrats to barclay goodrow passing mitch marner and career playoff goals stop what did julian say in the group chat yesterday 11 to 12 leaf fans constantly what does he say tapping themselves in the chest yeah yeah yeah oh it's such a funny comment you know what's funny it wasn't even that stat it was the kevin pipetti stat sam reinhardt had more power play goals in the first period of game three than the leafs had in seven games versus boston right jail all right jail immediately jail under the prison jail barclay goudreau is such a weird example of a guy like clutch a lot

of people like to argue that it doesn't exist but oh i'm like no humans are humans and stress matters even if you're an elite athlete like you're it doesn't mean your brain turns off and there's somebody whose game caters more to the playoffs and the way he's able to play in the playoffs and get just more goals than he's ever scored ever in that in that part of the year it's incredible so i i had a tweet yesterday and it was worded in the strangest way possible like i didn't know how to word it on twitter so i'm gonna say it now and you let me know if it confuses you barclay goodrow has six goals in 13 games in these playoffs barclay goodrell also has three seasons where he's played 50 games or more and had six or fewer goals

including this season where he had four four goals in 80 games and rangers fans were like get him off our cap sheet yeah they were he averaged a goal every 20 games that's so many games but a great tip a great tip two he got half his goal total for the season in game three yeah after scoring the ot winner in game two that's dumb six goals makes no sense no for a guy who scored four no but it lends itself to the role that they put him in in the lineup like it makes a lot of sense the salary doesn't line up no no like we can't just retroactively be like oh that's why you pay him it's good no the salary is still bad but it's incredible that he has six goals but i think that there was a there was a a history there and you look at the line he was on in tampa

with blake coleman like i i want to know what's it going to be like when blake coleman gets back in the playoffs because blake coleman was one of my favorite hockey players he was good and then he went to calgary and yeah he was great for the flames in the playoffs but the flames have been the flames the last couple of years and that's what I'm saying like he's in going into I think year four of that six-year deal that he signed when he that's a guy I wonder if the flames move on from this summer because they might be in a retool rebuild position and some smart team is going to pick him up and go well we might get 50 points from him this regular season but we're getting him 50 he's never had 50 in his career there you go there you go Blake Coleman's career

high in points is 38 oh no no he had 54 this season blake coleman had a 30 goal season dude he was good wait what half back half he was really i was looking at every year besides this year his career high is this season 54 i'll be honest 30 and 24 i had no idea on blake coleman what's that total man crush on blake coleman i love him i love him he is gorgeous um barclay goodrow yep So, out of the last one, two, three, four, five, six, seven years, he's missed the playoffs once. Not counting that year. So, just counting years where he made the playoffs

because that's obviously where he makes his bread and butter. Out of the last six playoff runs, Barkley Goodrow has been in. How many times has he been to the conference final? At least the conference final. Four? Four. With three different teams. Good guess.

Unreal. Who was the first? It was Tampa? sharks oh the shark the sharks he scored a big uh ot goal for them as well i think you're right yeah and he and right he had two points or no sorry yeah he did he had two points both of them goals in 20 games for the sharks in 2019 so he played 20 games during that run 25 for tampa during the covid bubble 18 the next playoff i think he missed a few games from injury still won the cup then nine games seven games and 13 games this year he's in the conference final

stupid that's great absolutely stupid listen he's played 94 career stanley cup playoff i will listen to the argument by the way that you do overplay regular season performances for performances that really show up in the playoffs if you can prove it yep and i think with a guy like that you can i like i don't know how you how you can say that he isn't people like people be like well it's a fluke did he really fluke into it did he really fluke into it leave fans i got some uh homework for you because i've been fiddling with the stats especially over the past year uh writing the book and talking about some of the greatest of all time go look at don't compare the current leafs and their stats to all time yep because it's not going to go well compare it to their peers

go back and just isolate it to 2017 when they first made the playoffs and onward they're consistently brutal compared to their peers yep everyone else seems to step it up now i'm not saying your goal scoring or your points are going to go up in the playoffs for the vast majority of players it goes down because teams are well you're only playing against the top half of the league um and then the top quarter and then the top you know um they isolate guys um it's harder it's a war of attrition but so many guys are incredible playoff performers uh barkley goodrose former teammate andre palat is he's played over a hundred stand up playoff we just get a name guys who used to play on tampa like yes we should they seem to have a lot of them

that's the list of guys who are unbelievable playoff performers i mean like joe pavelski He's a guy who I'm trying to talk about more and more like I was talking about McDavid the other day and how his legacy isn't going to feel complete until he wins the Stanley Cup. Like the greatest players of all time in any sport. Almost all of them win one, not all of them, but almost all of them win one. You look at the top. I think it's 13 scores in NHL history. All of them have a cup except one. Pierre Turgeon, Marcel Dion.

and then who's the greatest nhl player to never win the stanley cup yeah i mean it's got to be yeah or well and i would then you're getting into goalies i would also not call marcel dion not a winner you have to remember that la had exactly one line and it was a great line but the rest of the team was total dog shit and they were owned by a canadian guy who also owned the lakers who did not like to spend money well then and then it's like you start getting into the conversation of all the guys who never won an nba championship exclusively because of michael jordan you know what I mean like you know that was hockey's Michael Jordan is friggin Wayne Gretzky

yeah Joe Pavelski sorry people were like okay McDavid's got to win one whatever let's talk about Joe Pavelski Joe Pavelski since Crosby entered the league and Ovechkin entered the league has more playoff

goals than anybody anybody he's the greatest playoff goal scorer of this generation he's got 74 it's a lot of goals it's so many friggin goals and like a guy like Dreisaitl might get there McKinnon might get there

you know what you gotta go through to play Pavelski I think has I gotta look it up whatever I think it's 100 off the top of my head I think it's 196 Stanley Cup playoff games

it's a lot you know how friggin many runs and he's never won it yeah how that doesn't make any sense i don't remember where the conversation began um barkley goudreau to jog your memory we can we can move the conversation forward after this but just because no one probably remembers this because it happened just before the pandemic about a year earlier in 2019 the western conference final vegas golden knights san jose sharks the vegas golden knights took a three nothing lead in game number seven against the

san jose sharks and then what happened in the third period uh pavelsky uh got injured by uh cody eakin is wait it's wait is that the one and there was a five minute major or it was or i thought that was the first round cody eakin took a 10 minute misconduct game misconduct and the san jose sharks went to the power play in the third period and they scored four goals on the power play it was enormously bullshit it was a horrible call holy shit the argument we had at the time was don't allow them to score four goals who is we that was you well no you're right it was a horrible call but yeah don't you also are allowed to kill a penalty you had a 3-0 lead don't allow them to score four goals and then jonathan marsh also tied it back

up and forced it to overtime 4-4 game seven barclay goudreau opening minutes overtime scores and wins game seven for the san jose sharks and then tampa traded a first for him and we went what and then he won two cups doesn't matter one cup um by the way i was one game off with Joe Pavelski. He was tied with Steve Eizerman, just passed him. He's now exclusively 23rd all-time in Stanley Cup playoff games played.

Three games back of Yari Curry and Zdeno Chara. Wow. Five games back of Brad Hall. He's going to pass some ridiculous players. You are right. It was the first round. Oh, it was the first round. Okay, there you go. I also want to give some flowers to another New York Ranger. We will get to the

Panthers in a second here, who objectively did sort of cave the Rangers. They were the better team. Yeah, they were. But the whole thing is like, oh, you're the better team, but you got goalie, but goalies are part of the team. Yep. Were you really the better team? Shostakovich was wonderful. He outrushed the other Russian. He sure did. Who will get

for the Olympic athlete from Russia, but not Team Russia, who will get the starting goaltender job? I don't think they're going to participate. Andre Vesely. Olympic athlete from Russia. Yeah, the athletes are allowed to participate. The country isn't. Yeah, I don't think they're going to have a team, though. You don't think so? Oh, yeah. Well, they have an Olympic team for the rest of it.

So, yeah, I think they will be there. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Team Russia shows up, but they're Olympic athlete from Russia. They're not Team Russia or whatever. Okay. That's news. That's what I would think. I never talk about Olympic stuff with any permanence.

No, yeah, they can always switch it up. I'm just saying they've been in the last few Olympics. Now, what I want to say is the Ottawa Senators have been a part of two of the best worst trades of all time. Okay. Two of the best worst trades of all time. Both with New York teams. The best trade, when they were on the best side, was when they got Spezza and Chara for Yashin. That was a flippin' great trade, and they screwed it up when they're like,

no, Wade Redden, we need him. That's the guy we need, not Zdeno. And you might be like, Steve, you should do a trade tree on that. I did. You can go and watch it. The worst side that we were on that was the worst was Broussard, Zabina, Jad. Man. Now, Mika was looking real good,

but Ottawa decided they needed Broussard that year. And you know what? They went to the East Final. Did they not? What year was this? This was 16-17. Did they not go to the East Final? Yes, they did.

Yeah, so that was not bad. But it was 15-16 where they made the trade in the offseason. They were a goal away from the Stanley Cup Final. So, you know, maybe you don't hate it that much, but Jay Fresh has this chart up, and I'm bringing this up because it's hilarious. Zabina Jad currently leads the NHL in five-on-five scoring chance assists per 60 minutes. Second on that is Mitch Marner.

Third on that, Carter Verhage. Why are you bringing it up? I'm bringing it up because, A, Mitch Marner, LOL. Because a lot of people are going, C, can't trade him. Secondly, I did want to actually say that I think Mika Zabina Jad has been, is it underrated? Can we say underrated? Not getting the headlines that perhaps he should? for a guy who plays in new york he feel it feels like he doesn't get talked about enough yeah

yeah like and well he's overshadowed by like there's some big names on the rangers man yeah like panarin fox it's a lot of attention truba gets a lot of attention for very different reasons um the rempire state building dude they keep winning when you hear i every now and then a player comes along and when do you ever see a player get cheered audible cheers from the audience for stepping on the ice stepping on the ice like he might do it how many times a game 12 and every time he does the crowd goes oh shit it's a bad rempy shift rangers in games with rempy playing this postseason win loss win win win win win win that's they are seven and one and the rangers are 16 1 and 0 in their last 17 games with rmp played dating back to the regular

season yeah wow yeah wow now like now i do want to i do want it so i wanted to give zabina jet a little shout out here i want to talk about guys this uh this truba rodriguez elbow and so it's interesting because i love i love watching the discourse afterwards jesse do you need me to send you the link on that no okay cool so uh you'll pull it up okay imagine jake truba horizontal elbowing someone look at that now people will argue that that elbow so first off that's not a major penalty they call it two minutes and people will say well the point of contact is his shoulder back no it's not but it's still a flying elbow no there you go there you go there's the so the the winning angle is the other one where you see um like if rodriguez was a boxer

you would see his head move like jello and his sweat stay where it was like you ever see those shots where someone gets punched in the head so hard that their sweat stays stationary but their head goes flying that's exactly what would have happened there

can't believe Truba stayed in the game can't believe Rodriguez stayed in the game look at that principal point of contact is the friggin fudge right in the jaw right in the like right between like the jaw and the ear dude it's it's really bad so so um uh i in absence of the nhl explaining the rules uh we have to go with people that used to work

at the nhl okay who's this this is tim peel oh i wonder if he agreed with the call he did he says that rodriguez embellishes too i i think that's true what no no he got he a little bit a little bit he got he got up and he was fine he kept staying the rest of the game like jesse blake yeah a little bit i i can't tell if you're taking the piss right now i genuinely no no like he he goes down hard he definitely sells it it's like i'm not saying what truba like everything about truba is true but you can also say that rodriguez sells it a little i think it's similar to like how when reinhardt went down like he was shot and they stopped the play yes like i think that was also ridiculous well that was dumb yeah play dead because a player's

uncomfortable is not i think i think steve like you say this all the time when you get hit go down like you're shot because it's more like more likely the referees will call it i think rodriguez definitely goes down and he stays there but then he gets up and he's fine and he's still in the game they take him out like look he's a little dramatic with it is all i'm saying nice shirt jesse your rangers jersey in the wash or what no it's sdpn shirt i just thought i just thought i'd throw it on today laundry day yeah um i think uh i think rodriguez goes down like it's the worst thing that's ever happened to him his his head moves like a bowl of jello his head moves like a bull i think both things can be true i think what what truba did was

horrendous and you shouldn't be you got to put down your chicken wing and stop going up yeah yeah i mean i guess also rodriguez he is like a rag doll here's the deal it would have been a major penalty had he beamed him he did if he beamed him no but if he missed him he missed him he missed them there's no debate oh so what's interesting about that it speaks to how we call the game we call the game based on the outcome not the action that's why that's why that's not how you're supposed to call it that's why embellishing nothing pretend like you're dead that his problem was skating off on his own power he should have got stretchered off stretchered off and then wind sprints around 30 seconds later like a soccer player like it just get the call right get the

call now i want to remind everybody that for an elbow he connected on in the tampa series michael bunting was given a match penalty and a three-game suspension yeah because so this is what i'm saying you guys want me to i can pull it up for you that oh my god i tell you what i tell you what because he connected though that's my point he true but doesn't connect here all those emails that we saw from that court document about like Mark Savard and Gregory Campbell from Colin Campbell,

all those emails that came out because they got subpoenaed from a court case. They better have never put Michael Bunting's name down. Oh, I think they have. In a text message or email.

What's that, man? What's that? Oh my God. You cannot tell me based on the way he was called in Carolina and in Pittsburgh, they were not intentionally fucking that young man horrible horrible miserable now here's the

reason for not calling that a five-minute major we're averaging a decision from the department of player safety once per round there was a fine to michael mccarron yeah there was a fine hit on Smith right yep there was a fine to Nikita Zdorov yeah and there was a suspension to Carson Soucy murder is on the menu in these playoffs so I was asked last round is this the worst it's been and I said no I'm willing to consider changing my answer the it's it's not just the in-game penalties they're still calling penalties for stuff um they're they're completely asleep at the wheel here i mean i mean jacob truba is in um it's it he's like the nhl schrodinger scumbag like uh he's a guy who always does suspendable things and never gets suspended so you talk about

in february jacob tuber was suspended yes for a play that was not called the penalty on the ice Which is hilarious. It was elbowing, and he got suspended for the elbow to the head, and on the ice at the time, no penalty was called. Yeah, so producer Drew had a really fun stat yesterday on the stream. He goes, Steve, when was Jacob Truba's last elbowing penalty? It was Sportsnet stats. I sent it to him.

Oh, well, there you go. So Sportsnet stats posted a stat that Jesse saw and then sent to Drew, and then he gave it to me, and then I said it. That's how you get your information. So anyway, producer Drew, he said his last penalty was, I believe, May of 2022. I'll pull it up. It was at least one calendar year ago. It might have been 2023.

This is Sportsnet stats. This is Jacob Trubo's first elbowing penalty since May 11th, 2022 versus the Pittsburgh Penguins. So two playoffs ago. Did they credit Drew for that, by the way? they wrote uh producer drew says this okay uh that is two years ago years are you kidding the one he was suspended for he wasn't called for so it doesn't show up in the stat that's so funny so and any i know rangers fans are going to get upset at this i there better be equity in the bank for me because how many times has jacob truba done something and i've been like you're

overreacting i've said it a bunch of times but nope there's no equity in the bank of goodwill at taylor hossy pgh on twitter put together a super cut of jacob truba elbows that's amazing do you want to see a couple of them by the way man quote of the night last night was kevin bx is saying i didn't think it was an elbow kevin kevin it wasn't an elbow because he didn't connect it was a you have to connect for it to be an elbow it was a very interesting panel to try and hear uh uh rudy and jennifer reason with kevin god bless jennifer botterill people are way too unfair to her like she will disagree with her co-hosts and it's great did you guys see great shit did you guys see the whole thing and then ron mclean pulls out the rule book that he just

No, I was doing the stream. That's hilarious that he had it on hand. So Ron McClain has a physical copy of the rule book. He should. This wasn't for the elbowing. This wasn't for what we're talking about. This was for the puck that went off the glove. And BX argued that he directed it in.

And so Ron McClain pulls out the rule book about the glove direction. and he reads the rule there. It's just, it's incredible to me that he has a physical copy of it. Was he reading it? He was like, tragically hip, April Wine, Flin Flon, Manitoba. No, no.

Something from 50 years ago. How dare you? Sorry. Adam, how dare you? But yeah, I didn't know. Yeah, a physical copy of the rule book. I didn't know he just keeps that on hand. Anyways.

Trouba, Elboy. Here's one shot. Oh, man. Jesse. He didn't connect, man. He does not connect. So it's not a penalty. For anybody listening,

it's Trouba going against the Hurricanes. Holy shit! This is the one where he leaps into the board, you know, the side angle. The Nietzsche's one. The Nietzsche's one, where he doesn't connect. And then we got one against Pittsburgh here. This is on Sidney Crosby. He is going

right to Crosby's head. He does connect there. Did he get a penalty on that? Maybe this is the one from 2022. That's a John Jones elbow. So, Trouba, there's his next history. And then the next one, it's Trouba when he's with Winnipeg. He's hitting somebody

on St. Louis. I can't. No. Troy Brower. Oh, is that a Brower play? I don't know. Oh, yeah. Get that Brower play. He's going at Brower right in his face. Big chicken wing elbow.

No, Jesse. It's a forearm. That's Jacob Trouba. And then once again, back with New York. On Andre Pallott. Andre Pallott. Giant elbow. Oh, my God. I used to decapitate this man. Adam, this is your boy, Andre Pallott. Look at this.

Holy shit. You know, in true Andre Pallott style, he missed. Because Andre's too slippery for that. Okay, I understand the argument of like. You have to connect, Steve. What BX was saying is like you try to hit with the forearm. I understand that. Hold on, but why?

He's leading with the point of his elbow. And then one more because we're not done. On Zabinijad? uh this no oh truba dumbass i think that's the dawn of i'm trying to read the back of the jersey i can't i can't feel see it but truba's up there and uh there's the elbow it's a bad one either dodonov or dora fev oh dora fev would make more sense um there you go just huge elbow from behind off of the face off draw um yeah jacob truba loves to throw it except that one is shoulder i guess that one is the one where i'm like oh you only shoulder checked him in the head

yeah no i was i was surprised but like but you know what no one does anything about it no one does shit to jake truba he would stop doing this if somebody did something and here's the thing you look at brad marchand in the in the previous round sam bennett beamed him in the head and marchand by the way i just want to say it's so hilarious and it was fine it's hilarious watching panthers fans upset about a headshot hilarious you guys are hilarious are you kidding me there's panthers fans you guys should be like exactly like marchand said which is i've been on the other side of this and uh there's no i can't really complain about it there's a reason paul maurice didn't make a big deal well because like the fans are like i can't believe they would do

this to us can't you really no no no it's dude next game that this is music to paul's ears oh you want to play this game we're gonna okay yeah but i i have never seen that no one has done shit to truba ever and you know why because they're afraid of him well who's fought him okay who's come after he's psychotic yeah like it's like kucherov no like oh is kucherov losing his mind i'm not gonna go but i think you guys are misreading it who's the equivalent to go at truba i'm gonna go with that guy who on the panthers goes anyone it's gonna be a cheap shot you're has to be you're totally misread okay then tell me tell me let us we talked about this before the series even began truba has struggled in these playoffs on a team that's and man not by the way

his defense partner last night on those two first goals holy k andre miller got walked twice uh he he had a tough game wow especially on the penalty kill yeah but we talked about this before the series they're targeting him they want him on the ice so they're they're targeting him in different ways the puck is always it's in his corner always seems to go to his corner and there it's like they gave ryan lomberg a rag with um jacob truba sent on it go get him get him and he just like they're they're sending him what the hell did i do to my head i liked it though there's i'm glad you committed to it right after him here i should do it again um they're just sending them right after him um and they know this is going to be a long series

yeah right two of these games have gone to overtime and they're trying to put a beating on them what's wrong maddie i just want to say what's hilarious about the florida panthers is the size doesn't matter ryan lomberg is generously 5'9 he's 184 pounds and they're like let's send him there's let's send him and it's it's because the Florida Panthers have this mentality of we'll all kill you there's a very small very small group of players in the NHL who and I'm not trying to insult him because he does actually have some skill but there are some players where their greatest attribute is an insane effort like is Ryan Lomberg in the top group of players that deserves to be in the nhl based on skill no probably not maybe maybe but

there's a handful of guys that are just like um i'm gonna do whatever it takes you know who i think of uh michael pesetta oh yeah he doesn't belong good call but he's out of his mind he's out of his mind he's fought ryan reeves more than once and he's giving up like 30 40 pounds like he's he's out of his mind simmons was out of his mind in that regard too regularly fighting guys who were 30, 40 pounds heavier than him. We talked about that on the show. But Lomberg keeps lining up next to Rempe. Yep.

And it's funny because Rempe's got this look on his face like, well, he's not going to go me. Yeah. And Lomberg's got this face like, he's like giggling. I might have to fight the big one. Yeah. He thinks it's so funny. But I think if anyone on the Panthers goes Rempe,

it's not going to be Lomberg. but it's uh one day nuts way into the future do you guys see jacob truba when he when he eventually retires a cup champion and captain of the rangers and all this fun stuff saying messier award winner messier leadership award winner the guy knows how to lead according to mark messier yeah elbow first he says kid here's my c matt rempy captain of the rangers Matt Rempsey? Matt Rempsey. No shot.

No? No way. Why are you surprised? Because Jacob Truba is old Matt Rempy. Did Chris Kreider die? Like all these guys on the range? Adam Fox? Jacob Truba right now is the captain.

Yeah. Is not the next level of Jacob Truba Matt Rempy? No. Oh, I understand what you're saying. Well, Truba's only 30. No, still no. Still no? Trouba's only 30.

Yeah, that's why I'm saying. You know what? When he's 37, he decides to retire, Matt Rempe will be 28. Okay. He'll be captain. Trouba, though, hasn't had enough time to mold Matt Rempe. He's got seven years. But, like, you know, I just want to be part of that locker room conversation.

Hey, kid, even though you're 6'7", I see you're jumping into every hit. You're a natural. I love that. You've got to lead with your elbow, though. That's what I'm talking about. You've got to lead with your elbow, though. That's what I'm saying, Brooksy. If you're going to hit a man, kill him.

Exactly. You don't think Jake Trouba could train Matt Rempe to be a dirty-ass player? I think he could. Rempe hits people like a kid who just let go of a helium balloon. Like, just jumps up and grabs it. I think that's your future captain right there. Maybe. One thing I want to mention, too, Alex Wenberg with the goal.

That was his second point of the playoffs. Let's go. But did you know this story? Wenberg's brief time with the Rangers, this is from The Athletic, has been both eventful on and off the ice. His car was stolen and eventually recovered. So I guess it was stolen on the way from Seattle to New York where he was traded from.

Wait. Like when they trailer it at all? Yeah. They put it on a train and trained it. No, he drove it. He missed like five games because he had to. They stole it. And then his wife actually gave birth to their second kid just after the trade as well.

Wow. So this guy's gone through a lot. So for him to get that goal, I think that's a great story. He got back the stolen car? He got it back. You must have the tag on it. I had to do that. That's like impossible for Canada.

I know. Because like, once a car's stolen here, it's on a boat. They're not looking at it. Yeah, it's on a boat in like an hour, you know? By the way, I can't help but notice the pure volume of NHL players who appear to be having babies right around now. man those guys get told it's the off season in july 1st they fucking go to work steve the timeline lines up no the timeline lines tell me i'm wrong no because no you're a little

off a little off because it wouldn't it be like later in the off season to be well march if you're given march yeah yeah about 10 months you're you're a little off a little about 10 months yeah yeah yeah it was off season though listen who who who's not listen everybody i think everybody does a little more around june july it's more fun yeah no sorry i'm i'm uh you're on vacation come on it's top of mind uh because i i follow lexi lafleur on tiktok and she was talking about um nhl players and uh hanky panky oh okay and uh she uh a lot of detail okay unexpected detail all right well you can look that up now i want to take you guys back to a fun year one of the greatest years of our lives 2021 fuck you before you do that do you not want

to do the other part oh do we want to the big story where you got to throw us all right we'll go to the big story and then we'll do this laughter 2021 after this let me take you back to one of your favorite years one of the years of our lives 2021 what was going on in 2021 that's right well we had the canadian division uh which was cool yeah and and it was the third and fourth waves of the pandemic especially up here in canada we couldn't leave our houses it was great fantastic loved yeah still we couldn't right that's right because you know because because now i actually in fact i want to i want to go back even further 2019 pre-pandemic Gus Forsling, placed on the waivers by Carolina Hurricanes.

After 24 hours, that was September 30th, October 1st, Forsling cleared waivers. What? Then Jan 8, 2021, Forsling placed on waivers by the Carolina Hurricanes. Wow. Just as the season is about to start. And guess who claims him? The Florida Panthers. The Florida Panthers.

And they extended him. And this is something that I think people have not given enough credit for with the Florida Panthers. Because Gus Forsling is going to next year make essentially what he makes this year, which is $5.75 million. That might be one of the greatest extensions we have ever seen for a defenseman that's that good. It's one of the greatest waiver wire pickups in... I mean, how much better does he have to play to get into the conversation of best waiver wire pickups in NHL history? I don't even know how you'd track that, but that's true. Like, I'm trying to, like, who's on that list?

Martin St. Louis. Oh, yeah, he was a waiver guy. He was a Calgary Flame. Wow. He was a Calgary Flame. And he was a good Calgary Flame, too, but they didn't like his size. And then he iced him in the Stanley Cup Final. Steve Sullivan, another little guy, who was coming off like a 20-goal season with the Leafs.

Stupid friggin' team. um man it's it's not a it's not a big list because really really really really good players don't tend to get put on waivers except for simone benoit um but he's done extremely well yeah very cool i think and it's a great story now the florida panthers side of this rangers game is that they outplayed the rangers oh just belligerent and you want to tell me shot attempts matter just just listen like i i i know that was a big um bit of the online hockey discourse is all right they had more shot attempts and more shots i get it um i don't pay too much attention to that during the game like when we're streaming it but i was like okay shisterkin is having to a

make more saves than Bobrovsky and B they're all harder like he had to make some crazy saves to like even to get that game tied yes uh in the first period you know what I mean um it wouldn't look good on him if uh you blow a two goal lead in the third period and you lose but they won so hurrah for him I also uh you know you look at the the third period and the way that the Panthers were pressing, it's kind of crazy that they only got two. And Forsling was one of them. Barkov was the other. Barkov almost had two. Extremely tilted. Yes.

Barkov, not Barkov. Forsling almost had two because he scored the one that was a snipe. He comes in like a couple shifts later. He's like, well, I'll try it again. Bing! Right off the bar. No, he was an animal. So if you're the Florida Panthers, do you change anything about your game? Or do

you just go out and roll it out the same way? Because yes by over the course of you know again this is the advanced stats part talking over the course of like a sample size of 10 games you play that team game 10 times you might win it six or seven of them what do you need to change after an overtime loss where you by every metric except for the goals outplayed the team that you played faced you have a decision to make here do you decide we got goalied we win that game nine times out of ten we try it again um or we played inefficient hockey so and they're known for efficient hockey yes they outshot the rangers

i know they have 38 shots what did the rangers have i can't remember it was like high 20s or something uh 37 florida 23 new york oh so they adjusted a bit of a difference it's pretty bad but the shot attempts um drew sent me i gotta find the stat it was so stupid the um the matthew kachuk one you know which one i'm talking about yep um they oh here it is here it is here it is holy shit shot attempts worth 53 to 4 my goodness with kachuk on the ice now you had the puck yep that's what that means good you were putting lots of attempts on good that means a lot of your shots aren't getting through panthers missed high a lot they missed

wide a lot they got blocked a lot pant uh the rangers cleared uh a lot of um they did really well in the slot especially the high slot i found clearing rebounds and the like and not just clearing rebounds but turning it into a counter attack with speed I thought they did a really good job of so just because the Panthers they outplayed them just because the Panthers outplayed the Rangers doesn't mean they shouldn't make any adjustments for game four I thought it was inefficient okay and looking at the the penalties here and I know that's just sort of a silly thing But the New York Rangers did take too many. Well, especially in the first 12 minutes in penalties compared to four by the Florida Panthers.

You got to kind of it's kind of crazy to think that any team could be more penalized than the Florida Panthers. But they are really good at not getting penalized. And that is that's an art. It's an art form, especially this late in the playoffs. I feel like that tilts in their favor as well. Their takeaways were more the Rangers block shots. Check this out. This is, for me, a huge indicator that the Rangers were outplayed.

Block shots were 37-14, Rangers-Florida. Wow. But you see, they're not getting them through. Right. So this is part of why I think I'm right about the Panthers' overall strategy. They're putting it into the corner a lot. They're hitting the Rangers on the boards. And the Rangers are being forced to block a shitload of shots.

if this series goes long it's going to be hard for the rangers to win and i'm saying that about a team that's up to one right now but if this goes to six seven oh those are going to be two of the toughest games of their life um and that's the team that recently went to game seven against tampa in the conference final as well um i don't remember where i was going i think you're talking about the florida panthers game plan going into the next game and jesse all the shot blocks like it's it's attrition jesse florida panthers game plan what would you do differently if anything at all no you know you don't change up anything they're like one or two bounces away from uh winning that game and i think if you're florida i guess the the part you focus on is not the

offensive end like i feel like i'm kind of zeroing in on like hey how do you get more chances how do you get more shots through they put up four goals yeah like i don't think that's a problem i think what you want is like one extra save out of Bobrovsky on the other end like that's more what you want than uh let's say let's try and generate more offense I feel like our focus should be on on the other end is like hey maybe we don't allow uh the best shorthanded unit in the playoffs right now to get a shorthanded goal you know when when we get this huge penalty by Truba and then we have this opportunity here to go on the power play maybe let's not allow a shorthanded goal and then you get another power play opportunity in the third um when truba gets

called for holding the stick and they don't capitalize on that one like like let's uh let's focus on a little bit just capitalize more on the opportunities and stopping new york uh offensively you know don't allow them to put up five true but maybe three penalties yeah if you just limit them to three goals you're good like i don't know i think it's a really simple for florida if if i'm paul maurice i go okay we all have five goals how do we prevent those goals from happening all right well well what were those goals there was wenberg um by the way you're now down two games to one because of overtime goals from wenberg and goodrow damn um but uh uh i go okay wenberg that's a brain fart they left them totally alone in front that was bad um what other goal left angle well i look

at both laugh goals and good money is on that not happening in game four not twice though like those are two special goals like the the first backhander yuck freaking great the uh the second one freaking And yuck, great. Like, those are special plays from a player who's becoming more and more special. But the reason they're special is you don't see them every single game, right? So if I'm Pomo, I probably look at that and go, it's not going to happen next game. And then who had the other two? I'm trying to remember now.

Oh, Goudreau had two. Yeah, Goudreau had one on the shorthanded one. Yeah, that one's pretty shit. And like I look at the OT winner with Wenberg, Matt, if you want to bring up this screenshot, if you if you remember how it went in, Wenberg was all by himself in front of the net off of this faceoff. Yeah, nobody covered down low at all. To be fair, he had one point before this. Sure, but somebody has got to be covering the man who's right in front of the goaltender. And I feel like if you're Florida, get a little better defensively.

You're going to make this a really tight series, probably get the next one at home again. and you'll be good not pictured uh in the screenshot is the very visible awooga face that oliver ekman larson is making in the corner when he realizes where he should be awooga he's like brutal breakdown who framed roger rabbit reference yeah you know those the those squeaky like those steps that's what he was doing to try to get to the front of the I want to do a quick shout-out, too, before we wrap the segment on this game. For Panthers fans and Rangers fans in this series, both sides have been spectacular.

Panthers fans are just – they were loud yesterday. They were wild. It was fun to watch. It was fun. You know what? We've taken our cheap shots at South Florida for a while. There were times where you could get a season ticket to a Panthers game, and it would cost you the same as a platinum seat for one game with the Leafs.

And you get free parking in a jersey, too. Like, it was crazy back in the day. And a chauffeur. And a doula for a month. Like, it was ridiculous. They got a good ownership group, and they have for a while, and they're committed to winning. And look at that.

They are, and people show up. So I just think a little tip of the hat to the Florida Panthers fans for how loud they were last night. What was the tip of the fedora? Tip of the fedora. To the Panthers, I give them a m'lady. Horrible. And to officially wrap the segment,

we have a tweet from the Department of Player Safety. Oh! Whoa! New York Rangers' Jacob Truba has been fined $5,000, the maximum allowable under the CBA, for elbowing Florida's Evan Rodriguez. Wow. Now, that's so much money.

Jesse, when was he suspended? february something of this year yeah yeah stupid does five thousand dollars count stupid what is five thousand dollars in the playoffs equivalent to a game in the regular season yes because you know a game is equivalent to two games you see no but like this i i keep bringing this instance up um jamie ben a few playoffs ago was fined then the next game he did something else and was find what's the point it's a lot of what's the point it's a lot of money if he's literally the department of player safety had to review an incident with a repeat offender yep and it's a fine it's a terrible system it's stupid now if he got a game i wouldn't be like overly shocked

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Scotiabank. You're richer than you think. Jesse, I sent you a clip to kick off our Oilers segment, if it's possible to bring it up. Because Chris Knobloch put his political pants on and said something without saying something. And a lot has been made of this quote, so let's go ahead and play it. Chris, why do you think it's been so difficult for your team to draw penalties in this series so far? You know, I think... So do I, I think.

I've heard a lot about the past as being a spectator, not part of the NHL, not as a coach. The NHL, sometimes the standard gets changed a little bit. they would definitely want to make sure it's a penalty in the regular season. Maybe some things get let go. And, you know, that's obviously unfortunate for us. We've got a very good power play,

and we win a lot of games on the power play. And it's unfortunate for us that it's tougher to draw penalties in the offseason, or in the playoffs, excuse me, than it is regular season. but that being said it's i think the standards the same both both for both teams i'm not saying that we're getting it's unfair for us but um we would like the same standard so i'm not saying but i'm saying here i i want to i want to um here can you can you actually play that again like just the first few seconds because um i'm actually i'm a really good mind reader

I'm a really good mind reader. Chris, why do you think it's been so difficult for your team to drop penalties in this series so far? You know, I think... All right, Chris, we talked about this at home. Let's list off all the things you can buy with $25,000. Get a new car. I've heard a lot about it in the past.

He's just thinking of ways to not get fined there. That's all he's doing. Diplomatic answer. Managed to avoid the fine. reporter asked their question they did their job good for all involved i guess i don't know they also decided they're done with fines for coaches too oh you know what i never ranted about but now that it's here um nikita zadorov accused uh refs of rigging games and didn't get fined for it and any coach would have been fined 25 grand i don't remember the quote from the oh protecting their

investment they have to protect their investment so basically mcdavid can do or you can't do anything to mcdavid so not not only is he saying it's rigged the system is rigged in favor of mcdavid he's saying the punishment that i got for my infraction against mcdavid is bullshit because the league protects this guy any coach if rick tockett had said that he'd be 25 000 lighter but zadorov said it and we all went lol well so this is this is what i wanted to ask because the dallas stars have not been a crazy penalty team throughout the playoffs at all is it a referee thing or is it the dallas stars are playing a bit cleaner because i have to tell you i'm watching the penalties that the oilers take and i'm thinking about evandra kane with a

four forearm to the face which was called an elbowing call uh i'm talking about connor mcdavid high stick to the face some of the calls that they've taken are calls that the referees literally cannot ignore there has been there was one there was a dylan holloway holding call where everybody was like what the hell was that and agreed that was game one but i'm i'm looking at this and i'm like yeah but like keep your stick down well i wonder if part of the reason it feels like the oilers aren't getting enough is there was there was an insane amount of power place back and forth in the Oilers Canucks series yeah and I mean these guys talk I wonder if the conversation was and you know what too much hmm they talk like they get graded on their performance and guys

you called too much in the Edmonton Vancouver they called a lot they called a lot dial it back dial it back like every every time you know it's like three four power plays in in the first period every game and I'm like okay holy shit this is eventually going to dry up yep it's drying up yeah it's drying up and it's going to continue to dry up so i mean i i was going to say i don't know play dirtier well is that not is that not what the oilers i mean the oilers have some of the penalties they've taken objectively stupid like you can't yeah you can't take some of these and this has been a very even series through two games that to me that to me is not a great uh i wouldn't answer to that if i were him and the reason i say that is obviously he doesn't

want to piss off the refs because then you know what's going to happen everybody knows but when I look at that I go that is a coach acknowledging frustration and that comment isn't going to get him anywhere no and I I think Oilers fans and the Oilers are always going to feel like they get the short end of the stick when it comes to the refs because like we discussed before the series even began at maximum they call 20 like 25 of the infractions that happened to connor mcdavid are called penalties yes yeah yeah well listen we saw the the you know when when when uh winnipeg somehow beat edmonton in 2021 oh that was a disgrace it was the referee was outrageous and they have every reason to be upset about that but i'm looking at this and i'm going yeah but

the oilers are making see here's the thing the obvious call the ref is going to make if it's a high sticking if it's if it's a you know an egregious elbow you'd think they are gonna call it don't do that maybe just take less penalties because the Oilers have looked good five on five really good they're starting to look better yeah they're definitely starting to look better I like them five on five against Dallas especially in the last game yeah I think I think um the day between playoff games is the worst why hockey twitter is the worst when there's no games because all you have are your thoughts like you don't have anything to react to you already reacted right like you had your out loud reaction when the game happened then you probably said

something afterwards then you slept on it and you had dreams about it and you woke up and because it's the playoffs you went and another thing and then it just snowballs into this thing and until it's a boulder by the time it gets to the bottom of the hill and then you got to do it again next uh next game like it's i think there's a mental atrophy that comes with a deep playoff run i said i think because i don't know right i don't how could you know how could i know so it's it's weird that chris knoblox reacting to the penalties and stuff out of the of the saturday game because were penalties not even on saturday i think that he was upset that they were that they were even because he felt the aggrieved party and that dallas should have taken more right and i feel

like even even if they were because they i'm pretty sure they were even in terms of like the penalties called and the last one was like evander kane with like a minute left in the game so if anything edmonton had the advantage yeah like in terms of power play opportunities and then in game one you won you won so well so it's not it's not even that bad i don't feel like penalties are the thing to complain about in this series i think the argument like i'm right i'm with you jesse Anthony Edwards was upset last night because I think it was game three, Minnesota-Dallas. The Mavericks had like 38 free throws to Minnesota 17 or something like that. And he said that.

But then I remember a game from earlier this season where the Raptors got completely jobbed in a game against the Lakers. And LeBron James got asked about it. And he goes, well, I thought they took fouls and we didn't. So just because a game has an equal amount of power plays doesn't mean it was called well. What I would say to that is the Oilers killed the Stars in the first period of that game. The whole rest of the game was the Stars taking back ground.

So if we're going to go with who was the better team, who drove play, who probably had the puck more, I don't know what the actual stat is, but just anecdotally from watching it, I thought it was Dallas. Well, and take it from Leaf fans who have, all of us, complained about penalties every time we get into the playoffs. Every time. Actually, this year, I didn't complain about penalties at all.

Didn't complain, not one time. Because I know how it is. Here's the thing. The McAvoy one, that was it. Complaining gets you nowhere. No. You're not going to change the way this is reffed, so you have to work within that.

And they're going to call less. You think this is bad. Wait until the cup final. oh yeah wait till wait till it's florida or new york in the cup final jake truba with flying elbows or or sam bennett with you know low-key punches to the face that knock your best player out for a couple of games you know how i talked about this before you know how the st louis blues won the 2019 stanley cup after game two where they took i think it was eight penalties for many counts of attempted murder.

Craig Berube went, hey! And refs went, oh, yeah. Is that what happened? Yeah, and then they won the cup. No, that's not what happened. Go watch. Really? Go look at the numbers.

Is that really what happened? Dude, it was like 8-8. So maybe Knoblox onto something then. Yeah. No, you just go, hey, now. Now you've got to have a good relationship with the refs to do that. No, no.

See, am I misunderstanding you? If you ask them to call more, shove it up your freaking nose with a rubber hose if you ask them to call less because manly men and aren't you a manly man with chest on your manly chest hair and they go oh yeah well yeah what do you what do you mean you're saying i'm not i'll show you i'm gonna call so few penalties you won't even believe how few penalties i call and then the analysts who used to be refs on tv and they go no that was actually really good and then they get on twitter too and they go no that was so good man listen in the absence of the nhl speaking tim peel and dave jackson are

our best resources for how they think whether or not you agree yeah you absolutely need to be like oh okay well okay a former ref publicly disagreeing with a current ref or the first documented sighting of a unicorn, which happens first. Steve, I have a question for you. Next fall, this upcoming fall, how much money would we need to raise

for Rachel Raiders to get you to referee a beer league game? Yes! Okay, first of all, Jesse, I want to ref all your games. It'd be really hard for Steve to keep up with play.

It would be really hard for me to keep up with play Which is why I'm going to be on Jesse Like shit on Velcro Because I'm going to call you every shift Too many men How much? At least 100 racks 100 grand?

What's your record? 110? 120? Said it a couple years ago We broke 100 a couple years ago I don't know the number If we broke that record again And one of the requirements was like, hey, if we get over 100, you'll referee a beer league game.

And everybody's got to know that you're not going to be able to keep up with the play entirely. If the calls are a little wonky, that's okay. But you're in it for the fun. Do you think you could do it? Oh, yeah. We had a linesman who used to be my neighbor in Oshawa. He came up to me on the bench. He goes, where's Adam?

Where's Adam? I got a bone to pick. If we strap a GoPro to your helmet and we upload the full thing to YouTube, you'd do that. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That'd be great. All right. Let's work towards that.

Is there any way we can live stream that? That would be the event of the season. Depending on the Wi-Fi, we could probably live stream the GoPro or something like that. It's going to have everything. Heavy breathing. Heavier breathing. Missed calls. Panting, swearing.

Missed calls. We have to have... Jesse and I need to be in studio calling the game too, like watching Steve call. In the arena. Oh, in the arena calling the game. Oh, I like that. There's going to be 18 penalty shots. Oh, man.

Beautiful. Beautiful. Let's see the highest level we can get involved on this. Like, we can't get you in, like, a preseason OHL game, but we could get you, like, a pretty competitive men's league. Oh, my God. You know who to talk to is Sean Fitzgerald. He knows the men's league pretty well. Yeah.

We should talk to him about it. Oh, yeah. I can't wait for him to pitch that to all his buddies. Hey, do you want to fuck up one of our once-a-week games? Do you want to hate stripes more than you always do? I have this fucking idiot who barely knows how to pivot, who also can't see very well. Do you think you know the rules enough? Yes.

Well, like, no. Yeah. Yes. I know them to an extent. I think all hockey fans know it to an extent. And then you should be able to know barely, though. Well, yeah, but something happens on the fly and you, oh, fuck. Right.

But even like where the face off has to take place. Because depending on what happens in the action, there's certain dots you have to go to. Do you think you could nail down all that? Here's the great thing. If I get yelled at, like if I'm wrong, I'll just get yelled at. They'll let me know. Hey, it's supposed to be over there. And then I go, all right, all right.

And I bark back at them while subtly skating towards where they told me to go. Just to maintain my authority. I got this. I got this. I think this is the watch of the year. You being a referee. that stream would do 100k no problem 100 000 people tune into that and and okay but here's what we need though like to accompany the stream we need a play-by-play guy we need a color

commentator that's jesse and i and we need an officiating expert to agree with every call i make okay maybe your buddy from oshawa who was the linesman oh yeah no he'd just be like fucking no we'll just be like hey let's let's go to the linesman useless anyway because remember he was chirping me at the game. And you would just cut him off. How many guys are you going to throw out of

the face-off circle by fake dropping the puck? Adam, every single time. Adam's not in the game. Oh. Adam's watching.

Adam's doing commentary. I'm calling him. I'm calling him Jesse. Every single time. Every single time you throw somebody. Every single time.

There was a really bad one the other night. How the hell do they drop the puck, whistle it dead, and go, oops, I didn't drop it properly? It happens all the time.

Screw you guys, man. It's over. You lost your chance. As soon as the puck leaves your hand, you don't get to do that now. Yeah. No, it's okay. There's only 20,000 of us. You go ahead.

You go ahead. Here. No, here. By the way, why don't fans get more upset about it? I think it's because it's so ingrained that we don't think about it. But that. There's too many other sports, and they go watch those instead. Okay.

Stop, Steve. Stop. No one's not watching hockey. But it's annoying. No, let's just add it to the fucking list. Yeah. Okay. Well, listen.

Jesse, I want you to bring up the video I just sent you. This one I believe we can play because there's no copyright. This is social media from the Czech national team who are currently celebrating in Prague right now. They won the world championship. CJ was saying to you, Jesse, on the Friday CJ show that Pasternak is a god there. Yeah, yeah.

And look at that. Watch this. First off, they're drinking all the beer. Play it? Yeah, play it. Go ahead. There are tens of thousands of people there. Pretty cool.

Look at that. I want the music to get us going. Oh, shoot. Sorry. Sorry about the music part. It's all right. Yeah. Isn't that cool?

I loved David Pasternak tweeting, hey, maybe we can get into the four nations now. Oh, yeah. So the reigning world champions won't even be in the tournament. It's BS that they're not in. It's BS that there's only four. NHL has done the worst job with this stuff. Yep. Where'd they land on four?

That's what I want. It's ridiculous. And you're telling me that, so Czechia could easily be in that tournament. Oh, yeah. What's the next team? Germany? Germany easily, but then it's like, well, how many teams do you go in with, right? It should have been all of them.

16. It would have been better. 16. It should have been like eight. And by the way, they're never doing this again. The funny thing about the Four Nations Cup is they're making a cup up. Somebody's going to win it, and then they'll never do it again. No.

They'll never come back. Because Russia will be allowed back in eventually. We know that. Oh, is that why? And so the Four Nations thing is never going to exist again. No. Because they're going to start regularly going to the Olympics. And then in between, they might have their own tournament that will be expanded to the

regular amount of ridiculous teams that should be in there so that's what it was how can we make money off an international tournament without having to make a difficult decision yeah having their cake and eating it too good for them here's david poshenok uh on his instagram the caption on his instagram with the trophy and a beer reads maybe for nation invite now question mark absolute gem there he is yeah good for him oh yeah good for the whole team like pulling off that victory at home like that's really cool there's some great shots of pasternak on top of a bus holding the oh and everything it's just cool it's very cool and i what i liked was the story on the on the cj show about like how um past and who was the other guy that jumped on

the plane with him two days later after boston lost oh natures no was it natures natures did also join there was another bruin wasn't there anyway it doesn't matter they jump on a plane literally like two days later we're like we're coming and i think that's really cool and and and it shows how much it means and you're seeing all the fans in the square there and i love the international growth of this game i want more this is a monday guys it's a monday afternoon there and there are a bunch of people who are like yeah screw work we're going to the celebration how awesome is that we stand we stand we absolutely stand i'm trying to look up the uh the roster like just there's so many um there's so many nhlers but like also like former guys and

uh you you could tell it it meant a lot to them i think part of the reason they won is they had such a good turnout right like a lot of guys for some of these other countries are like meh take it or leave it yeah i'm gonna lick my wounds pasta what like i'm pretty sure is not a hundred percent no he's not like at all chris said that like even close he had to argue with the bruins yep to go and they let him go and he won how funny is it that kevin fiala wins mvp like shout out switzerland and fiala for like carrying that team because that's that's such an unexpected uh runner up yeah no who expected switzerland who expected usa to be out of it who expected canada not to medal. And Sven Andergetto,

who is a name I have not heard in a long time, was the guy that put him out. I was like, what? I forgot about that guy. Who got the empty net clincher? David friggin' Kampf. I like that. David friggin' Kampf. That's gold medalist David Kampf. This is also the second

time in the last three tournaments that the host country won in 2022. Finland won in Finland. And then last year, it was split between Latvia and Finland. and Canada won that, but then this year we get Czechia winning it. At home. Home country. Love that. Love that. By the way,

Paul Maurice was just asked about Jake Truba being fined $5,000 for elbowing Evan Rodriguez, and he said, poor lad, poor Jake, will he be able to eat? That's a good quote. I mean, most people go to the Laugh Factory, but Paul Maurice

just works on his material every playoff. That's right. He's good, man. He loves it. Last year, do you guys remember the MVP of the tournament? The World Championship? World Hockey Championship? Who won? MVP of the tournament. Like who won the tournament? Last year Canada. Oh man. There's a reason you should know the

MVP of the tournament from last year. Give me a name. No, I don't think it is. It was Tantle. Maybe somebody from Tantle? I have no idea. Kasperi Kapanen. Archer Shelogs. Oh!

Berlavia was the runner-up. That's right. they placed third in the tourney and it was so unexpected and she loves was the goaltender somebody told me that in the chat i could have known i was like yeah i thought you would have known it but um yeah i remember canada beat germany in the gold medal and then latvia beat usa in the bronze medal game and she lost was unreal so yeah damn cool cool like i feel like it's gaining momentum here every year yeah i don't know if it's having like a uh resurgence the world championship the world champions but it feels like every year we're kind of talking about a little bit more

i mean well especially because we have had such an absence of men's international hockey like it's basically all we got yeah and it's actually a really good tournament and it's it's just a shame it happens during the playoffs so you know and people are like oh if you're not a true hockey fan it's like listen some of us have families man it's difficult to watch that much hockey all the time you can't do everything no you can't like well you some people can and that's cool but like i've never met anyone who could do everything have you no well not watch all the hockey you know any doctors no are they a lawyer too yeah yeah no it's it's you gotta you gotta life and and so it's difficult but i do think what's great about those games is they are usually on mid

afternoon so you can at least have them on while you're doing stuff and oh it was awesome just turn on a game at three o'clock oh all right yeah i'll watch canada norway i don't care i think the olympic thing ties into it because it feels like okay we haven't had truly best on best best so this kind of takes its place and maybe with the olympics coming back and best on best coming there and this isn't truly best on best because most guys can't go because they're in the playoffs so maybe once the olympics is back and they get their four nations thing which is going to be eight nations eventually uh running this takes a step back unfortunately yep you know like i could see the world championships even like losing interest because of everything that comes back

well part of it was uh didn't a lot of the international programs go hey if you want to be involved in these tournaments you better play yes canada did yes yeah that's why i think you saw a guy like badar go over there i'd be like hey i want to be a part of things i'm gonna do this first tovaris too tovaris who's gunning for a spot in the four nations and the olympics the olympics i think is very outside shot but four nations definitely yeah like you're looking at like a role player kind of role which internationally i think he might actually be pretty good at it depends on what kind of team canada wants to have right are they going to be a slow 2014 babcock team in which case i think tavar slits slots perfectly into that because he can slow pace

of a game i mean or are they going to be a rush team you won an olympic medal with chris draper and kirk mulpey yeah you can do it yeah 100 yeah it's great and you know what man i'm all for hockey growth everywhere all the time and uh it's great to see it feels genuinely like there's some momentum not just in the nhl game but in the international game and that's cool i love that uh speaking of winners uh did you see the win that wasn't yesterday in the pwhl oh as you as you're moving on a little quickly oh are we sorry the four nations face off uh for just for everybody it's happening literally next season february 12th to 20th and they're still having the all-star game before that they haven't they haven't canceled i thought they canceled the all-star game no i'm

pretty sure it still takes place or maybe i'm thinking of the the olympic year because one of the years where they're having the international tournament they're still doing the all-star i don't think there's an all-star game next year okay i don't think so then it would be the olympic year that where they're still doing the all they shouldn't do that because they announced all of the all-star days i'll triple check here yesterday i was talking to my wife and we're scheduling things and she's like god why does the cup final go so late this year and i was like i have bad news about the next two years yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be worse yeah yeah yeah or at very least it's not gonna get better yeah fun fun it's gonna be good times hey listen if you're a hockey

fan it's awesome fun uh pwhl you're correct adam next year no all-star game but 2026 islanders ubs arena new york all-star with no disrespect to to the all-star game in 2026 nobody cares so they're gonna have the all-star game and then go to the olympics that's where i'll still watch thank you for the correction i'll still watch but uh i'm surprised they did that it's i don't understand that yeah it i mean i feel like when we were younger and they were going to the olympics i feel like they never had an all-star game in those years nope they would always skip it the point of the all-star game is to market what you are as a sport and your stars but the olympics do that that's what the olympics are for in 2014 no all-star game in 2010 no all-star game in 20 2006

no all-star game uh we don't acknowledge the 2006 one though and then yeah so they skipped those three all-star games but they're going back to 2002 so interesting also it's going to make things like you know what they could do they had an all-star game you know what they could freaking do they could start they could shorten the preseason i'm fine with an all-star game shorten the preseason start me don't start me after thanksgiving weekend this is what drives me nuts about the nhl they're like hey you know there's a long weekend in canada it'd be a great time to no let's wait till it's over and then we'll start playing hockey are you freaking serious and it's like well we don't want the baseball playoffs stop it stop start a week and a half

early start october 1st that should be puck drop october 1st boom amazing you get a head start in the nba which starts in the end of october you always get a head start in the nba but you get even more but it'd be like a month and and and i get to watch hockey on the long weekend with my family i like that idea what about no yeah what if we didn't what if we you know what what if we had split squads with detroit that weekend that'd be sick i can't wait yeah there's always been so many pre-season games it doesn't really make sense no it doesn't no no i don't get it i don't Nobody needs eight. Limit it to five.

Like, come on. Three is enough, guys. They know what the freaking team's going to be. Yeah, but three is asking for too much. That's why it's at five. Why? Because of money? Because the money made?

Yeah. Yeah. You know the way to stop preseason games is to stop going. Don't pay. You know, the Leafs will charge you like $250 for a ticket to a preseason game. Are Leaf fans screwing this up forever? Yeah. Why do you think they get nine?

Why do you think they get so many? They make a ton of money off those. Damn it. I know. I know. Let's do the press conference. When you're a mid-sized business, you need every competitive advantage you can get.

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Oh, dude. so a couple years ago i think it was the women's world hockey championships it was team usa versus team finland finland wins it in overtime they win the gold medal goes to review they call it back usa wins and i go oh my god i can't believe that happened it's everyone's worst nightmare and it actually happened to them fast forward to this nightmare scenario that we always talk about and it happened in women's hockey again minnesota wins the inaugural pwhl championship goal is waved off boston wins in overtime the series continues so boston didn't win the championship but the series continues imagine going from that rush of you thought you won the championship and

then you blow it immediately dude i'm uh i'm gonna just play this straight play it straight dallas uh dallas minnesota was on at the same time so you got you're flipping back and forth double overtime minnesota boston but also great game between dallas mavericks and uh t-wolf so i'm checking this out i flip over 64 shots no goals goalie interference thing happens they're all celebrating they call it back i watched the replay of the goalie interference and i'm like they got the call right no i know i know she bulldozed the goalie i know i know there's no way in any realm of hockey you can allow this goal to stand there's usually a lot of controversy but like what i saw with this one was all right i'm very happy they made everybody pick up all their

gloves and sticks and continue the game yeah there's no way this should have been a goal like now was this is in minnesota right uh yes confetti i'm telling you so you do confetti you you have a championship right now you can't score a goal why when an opposing player is underneath the goaltender that's bad well maybe the goaltender should have got out of the way no she was tending the goal it's the right call it's absolutely the right call and you know what they've avoided a Dallas Buffalo situation, right? Where the 1999, that

Brett Hall goal should have never counted. And we all know it. Dallas fans know it. No, they don't know that. Well, they should know that. That was the way the rule was called at the time. That was the big story that year. No, there was a thing about a thing I haven't considered my favorite team. I think this is a moment where

you should commend the PWHL and the referees in the moment for making the right call. I do. That's the hardest you took the championship out of their hands yep and it was the right call and shout out to the linesman who

dropped the puck good for them okay great job if you're charging the net and you go down through all fault of your own and you end up underneath the goalie you can't score a goal on that play I'm sorry yeah fair enough there you go it just sucks yeah

the thing we're most afraid of happening happened where again yeah again the The Finland-USA one, I can't remember exactly what happened, but I remember being like, really? That call I thought was a little bit more suspect. But, I mean, that's bowling. And she got a spare.

You're not allowed to score a goal like that. So the series continues. All right, let's do the press conference quick. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. If you would give me one moment. I would. Small note, did you see Larry Brooks go at P.K. Subban on Twitter?

No. No? All right, let's do that first. Really? Glasses. All right. Okay. Oh, yeah, because P.K. thought Trouba's elbow should have been a major,

and Larry was like, screw that. Mark Messier was like, I played in the 80s. I don't know who tagged me in that. Well, Mark Messier invented the elbow. Like, well, sorry, Gordie did. Gordie Howe did. He inherited the torch from Gordie. That's right.

So P.K. Subban tweets, how is that not a major on Trouba? Larry Brooks, writer for the New York Post, quote tweets P.K. Subban and says, I can tell you that it was for a better reason than you were able to avoid being called for majors on your litany of slew foots. And that's how bad he's been now.

like what that sentence twists and turns it's like a roller coaster goes upside down and does a does a corkscrew and then we get to slew foots so so why larry why did you make this personal that's putting on a hate speaking why that's putting on a pair of tight shoes with a crowbar like that that's uh what what does a have to do with b at all there larry what are you saying brooksie let's change it to what are you saying did pk respond i uh i don't think so okay not that is a bonkers tweet man if he does respond it should just be with what like like it's almost like larry was waiting to be like pk say something i disagree with so i can mention litany of slew foots litany i was wait he was waiting for the slew foot comment good word it is a good word

listen that there's some there's artistic flourish to that sentence it's just a little bit difficult to understand and maybe because i'm stupid but also because uh it doesn't really make sense that pk who is a nhl commentator commentator would have that brought back to his career yeah oh you know what what's the relevance what by the way i do know who also did bad stuff in their career you what the guy on the panel with pk known for their elbows is mark messier but he won a cup with the rangers so brooksie isn't gonna say anything right but let's not forget mark won way more with the the edmonton oilers and is therefore an edmonton an edmonton oiler yeah sorry rangers fans oh like i just i'm kidding just he would have been better

off responding k there slew foot like that's that's a horrible tweet yeah that sucks it's a boomer tweet for sure it's a boomer tweet yeah i i like if this made me laugh so i do like drama like that i love when people go at each other i think it's and you know what it it's personal but it's not like too personal it's more his playing style than like a person yeah yeah so i don't know i'm um steve we had a question here from ren hero um are you doing an audiobook we've we've talked about this before but just clarify for people who didn't hear that one um i don't know yet um the book what do you mean you don't know how dare you yeah you must do an audio so the book needs to be completed so what what we need right now is to get the damn thing 100 done

it is so close um uh there is still a backlog um when it comes to getting your book to the printing press caused by covid um so we're working very hard to get the book printed so that it's done by october 15th and then down the rung of priorities is the audiobook i'm gonna fight for it like i'm gonna push to have it done um with the publisher and if they don't want to do it um the rights do come back to me but it's after a certain period of time i i want an audiobook released with the book so we'll figure out how to how to do that but as of right now it's not confirmed okay last episode i asked why that area of uh carolina or the raleigh area was called the triangle thank you to everybody who responded that was fantastic stuff uh the three metro cities

there raleigh durham and chapel hill is kind of the triangle but it's also the uh research triangle park where apparently carolina or that area that little triangle area is the second largest it hub in america behind silicon valley oh yeah yeah so that's why that's the try the research triangle hub in there that's fascinating and i bet a lot more affordable i would assume i would assume so yeah and then lastly did we not have an announcement to announce about a show oh steve already made the announcement but yes boston pizza on wednesday baby let's go in vaughn so uh we got tickets we'll put those in the description don't forget damn i completely forgot about that but thankfully steve announced it on the on the stream yeah i will announce it on my stream tonight

great great super duper tickets in the description below yeah right you know what i mean yeah right he knows what i mean yeah i already said that oh good you know what i mean yeah i do know what you mean he knows what i mean all right jesse that's that's all all right let's wrap it up let's wrap it up i was trying to pull up this uh before we go maddie we're a great show let me do this yeah no such a good show thumbs up awesome stuff maddie there you go you pull that up uh yeah Yeah, SDP live at Boston Pizza. Vaughn, there's it on the screen. Go get your tickets Wednesday.

Adam, what do you expect from your stream tonight? I expect Gripper Nation to come out in full force. I respect how they invaded Steve's stream on Friday. Did they get you last night too? Dude, they have been all over me. You've got them thirsting for the grip. They want your feet too, you know. They want everyone's feet.

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