The Steve Dangle Podcast - Timashow | October 20, 2019

Episode Date: October 21, 2019

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Leafs (00:00), Adam has a message for the Pittsburgh Penguins (47:00), Doughty vs Tkachuk (57:00), Jack Hughes first goal trivia (1:16:00). Goaltenders! Dubnyk, Anderson, Lundqvist, (1:33:00), Barzal vs Lou Lamoriello (1:45:00), CFL teams drafting dead players (1:53:00), and PSA from the SDP (1:59:00).  DONATE TO ADAM'S EAST SEALS PAGE: https://secure.e2rm.com/registrant/FundraisingPage.aspx?registrationID=4613106&langPref=en-CA#&panel1-1 Originally aired: October 20, 2019 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/1FoRITlqJaE Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.S.D.P.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! Well. Well! Who wore the crown, guys? Live generously and life will treat you royally. Why not pour yourself and a friend a crown royal? We're going to talk about who wore the crown, where we, with the help of you, recognize one Leaf player each show, gives us everything for the blue and white.

It's our town, it's our crown, and it's not about what you have, but what you give. Let's crown a Leaf that lives generously by giving it all to their team, and it's brought to you by friends at Crown Royal. Live generously, and life will treat you royally. Why not get into it? This is a tough one. Why not? Sorry.

Sorry, I'm dropping the ball. Jesus, Lord, let me have this coffee. I actually should have made a coffee before the show. Whenever you guys say, why not? Why not? I can't help but think of that Hilary Duff song that's like, why not take a crazy chance? Do you remember that song? Oh, I do remember that song.

The Disney Channel song? Yes. And every time you say, why not, I think of that. Why not? She does make a good point. Why not take a crazy chance? Why not do a crazy dance? It's true.

Why not beat the Boston Bruins in overtime? Why not? Why not? Because they're pretty good. But they did it this time. So, Crown. Yeah, who did you give it to? Who did you give it to?

This is tough because I think there are four worthy candidates. Oh. I am going to say one, and I hope you guys pick a couple of my others. Frederick, I know, Frederick Anderson. He 100% deserves it. We were calling him out, and his numbers were calling him out because they haven't been good. It's also, what, seven games into the season for him? So that's nothing.

Easily his best game. 42 saves. The biggest reason they won, 100%. Got to give it to Freddie Anderson, who looked solid as a rock. My crown, without getting too deep into it right now, goes to one Sir Michael of Babcock. You're 100% right, dude. And that is because of the QB sneak,

flipping Nylander and Marner on lines. Well, it's a lot more than that. We'll get into it. He had a great game. I'm giving it to him for that, for this, because it's the thing we've all wanted to see. It's the thing both players want. And because we wanted it forever, we only get it for 40 minutes

because he'll probably switch it back next game. But, you know, for the time that it worked, it really worked. It was 12 and a half minutes five on five. That's all we got. Does that include overtime? Probably. No. No, that's three on three.

That's five on five, like specifically five. If you count four on four and overtime, I think it bumps up to 15 or 16. Okay. So it's still not even that much, but still. They swapped with Nylander a few times, but Marner played with Matthews more often than he didn't. Yes. Yeah, 100%. Jesse, who do you give the crown to?

I'm going to do a little something different with my crown today. Oh, my God. See, I like to read our friend Ian Tulloch after every game. Okay. I'm crying out loud. Because he likes to do a little thing called the Leafs report on the athletic. $4.99 a month regular price, I think. Something like that.

Usually you don't pay that because you get a nice discount or something. And he does grades. Is your crown behind a paywall? It is behind a paywall, technically. But, you know, it is what it is. $4.99 a month to find out who Jesse's crown was. And he gave William Nylander two stars for this game. Out of five?

Wow. Out of five, yeah. Cool. A little disappointing. Just learned Ian Tulloch's a bastard. Right? He wasn't really happy with how Nylander drives the play. You know, he wants him to be more aggressive about getting into the offensive zone, which

I understand. I understand. Yeah. Jeff O'Neill made a point earlier in the season, like, you know he's going to curl back. He's never going to drive the net. Exactly. And ever since he pointed it out, I'm like, it is a little concerning that he does it every single friggin' time.

Isn't it funny when somebody says something about a player in a game, like a professional And then you see it happen, and you're like, oh, he's going to do the thing. And then you see it happen, and you can't unsee it forever. Mrs. Dangle ruined Ron Hainsey in his first game as a Leaf. Why? How? She points at him and goes, what's up with his skate tongue? You know how it's got that sad old dog ear thing?

In every game, I was just like, all right, Hainsey with the puck. Fix your skates! And here he goes. We did that with JVR and his mouth guard. I never really noticed his mouth guard until she's like, why does he keep doing that? See, that's different because, like, every American development system player does that. Ron Hainsey's the only person who wears, like, used skates in the NHL. Which, I mean, that's cool.

It's frugal. But every time you see JVR, you probably look at his mouthpiece now. They put it in NHL. Yeah. Like, they put it in NHL 20. Like, he's bumming around with that stupid green mouth guard. It's him. It's P. Kane.

It's Kachok. Matthews is going to start doing it eventually. He's American. He has to. Only when he's on Arizona. All the American players do it. Only when he starts playing for Arizona. Only, yeah, right.

In five years or four or whatever it is. The team that he truly wants to be on. Right. He wants to follow other Toronto great Phil Kessel right down to Arizona. And that means McDavid wants to be a Leaf? Yo. Matthews to Kessel for the Stanley Cup might actually kill me. I might actually just clutch my chest and die on the spot.

So I'm going to use my crown this week To motivate William Nylander I'm going to give him the crown So that he looks at it And says I'm going to play up to this crown for next game I'm doing this for Jesse So he got the crown this week Even though he wasn't the best player on the ice

But he's going to use this This crown as a motivator To play better next game Adam can you wrap it up so I can ask a question Because I have a question Okay. About William Nylander. Well, I mean, that's who wore the crown this week.

However, I do need to read some of the listener responses. Oh. Oh, 43 comments on one tweet about this. People care. It's great. Why not? A lot of people said Marner. A lot of people said Marner.

And, you know, Warren Riley's name came up a lot. But the name that I specifically would like to point out, and this one's for the fans. The fan crown. The fan crown has got to go to Jake Muzzin. Interesting Wow A lot of Jake That's weird

Mostly because he Face washed Brad Marchand He really Really did He did And then Marchand Tried to spear him In the junk

Well yeah Can you bring up Flintor Sure He's the only one Holy shit he's on it Yeah how does he Catch the shit he catches

I don't know How do you even do that It's enough that like You have the video card To upload these things Before they happen You time traveling demon It's another to

Actually pick up On all these things. Well, does he have angles that we're not aware of? Like, he finds shit. I'm like, I didn't see that on the broadcast. What does he do? It's got to be, well, it's got to be, yeah, he's recording it online and has all the angles. He must.

I don't know how you do that. Or he's just super attentive. But yeah, Marchand tried to spear Muzzin right in the junk. It's a shame that Boston's going to be without him on Tuesday. Is it possible Flinter's more than one person? Flinter's. Oh my god Maybe the Flintor is a company of people

Maybe it's a state of mind Maybe it's the friends we made along the way Maybe Flintor is the friends we made along the way Maybe What do you got, Jesse? Or what do you need? No, I'm just looking up No, I just wanted you to show the gif of him trying to

No, I'll throw it up on screen Yeah, Marshan's a rat So I pointed out in my video that Poor Marshan And I don't know who provides his sticks, but I don't know how they make money. How do they make money when he just gives away so many? Here's one for you. I mean, Christmas is right around the corner, Adam.

It's true. Here's one for this official. Here's one for this official. Here's one for this one. There's two peers. Just two peers having fun, joking around on the ice. If you live generously, life will treat you royally. Oh, absolutely, Adam.

And that's Who Wore the Crown for this week. Brought to you by our friends at Crown Royal. Next time the puck drops Why not live generously And treat your Leafs crew Why not Why not Live generously

And treat your Leafs crew To a good old fashioned Crown royal old fashioned I said good old fashioned I'm like That's the name of the drink Okay well I'm gonna I'm gonna power through this one

You did a good job Thank you I give you the crown Thank you I am stunned None of you gave Dimitro Timoshev Oh I wanted to

The crown The best game of his life The best game of his life But I still had to give it to Babcock because it had a better effect on the game. However, it is so funny that if we were to put all of us had put our lines together,

what are the optimal lines from the 8,000 people that showed up at Leafs training camp day one? Who are the best forwards on this team? Timoshev's on the third line on the Marlies in my tree. Oh, dude. I chastised him during the prospect pyramid. I was like, you're falling behind

all these guys. Like, where are you now? And he's been amazing. How do you make this team, and then it was like a week and a half before the season, they start talking about it as an actual option, bless you, and I was like, I'm sorry, where's this from? He hasn't even looked good. And then, like, the

final two preseason games, I'm like, alright, there's something there. And then all of a sudden, well, to me, the fourth line is Timoshev, Gauthier, and Guy, right now. Sort of, yeah. Timoshev has four points in six games. You can't scratch him.

You can't. Patam lost his job that quickly. Yes. And it was looking like Bataan was going to get it. Now, with Timoshev, just quickly. Well, people put way too much

stock into one preseason game where Bataan was on the first line. It's not the same thing. No, that was the all fourth line. Yeah. Preseason game. One. Anybody that covers the Marlies,

my understanding is they're not all that surprised about this. But, I have to be honest with you. I watch the Marlies on Saturdays when I can, like I was watching them yesterday. I don't have time to watch them

all the time, man. I got other shit going on so it's so it is a surprise and it's a it's an it's a nice surprise But you know that's that's the that's the that's what the Leafs have to do over the next few years It's finding guys like Mikheyev This Russian guy which we'll talk about as well a little bit later on Not new a new Russian guy new Russian And and guys like Timoshev who will come in and fill in around the corners Of this of and like around the outside of this of this roster because you have your star players

You gotta find value elsewhere, and it's amazing that that that guy who's drafted what four years ago 2015 I think yep has now has now done it But that it speaks to the development of the Leafs system to that a fifth rounder four years later Manages to do it fifth rounders on the whole don't play much more than about ten games in their career And we were talking about all you only made the lineup because he makes the absolute bare minimum No, no what a valuable part of this team well if that were true Then there would have to be like a bunch of guys down right that he's that he's there because he's earned it which is great 100 now the leafs beat halak and the bruins yeah i wouldn't put too much

in that oh i'm not they at least beat the bruins but if you take every leaf game with boston that you've ever seen this is a mirror image of it every time the leafs went up boston came back and now here's the thing in the playoffs boston comes back and wins but because this is the regular season and three on three is the least the least yeah the least yeah jesus and go well but see, we could win. Yeah, well, maybe. And I don't know if you saw, how many times, and I'm doing this,

how many times have you watched the last goal, the overtime goal from 2013's Game 7? How many times have you watched it? Since? Actually broke it down. Yeah, because you've seen the highlights. But how many times did you watch the 20 or 10 seconds leading up to that?

Have you ever seen it? I had to do that. It was either last year or the year before. I had to go back and watch the entire third period in overtime for an article for Sportsnet and I'm watching it I'm even watching like when the Leafs go up 3-1 and 4-1 and just going how did this team make the playoffs? They were so so bad. No, no depth either. No, no depth. One line could score Oh, no, well Lupo Kadri and then it was like Kessel, JVR, Bozak and nothing else. And Bozak was out! Right. He was out! Yeah, because he was the only one who could take face-offs in the series and Grabowski was on the team

But like But Wasn't allowed to play Leo Komarov's Last shift in that game Came with I think 17 minutes left In the third

And it's amazing Like the player He ended up becoming Yeah Well we liked him that year That was fun Yeah It was fun

It was Oh my god So the reason I'm asking But the only thing is If Reimer just Holds on to the puck And makes the initial save Wow

It's true If he doesn't just Let it squeak through his pads And squeak off Then Rebound control you guys could have saved us a whole bunch of heartbreak.

And sometimes you have losing foisted upon you by yourself. Exactly. I will not have you disrespect James Reimer and passive-aggressively Jerome Aguilera

in the same sentence. You guys know what I was watching before the show? Yeah, yeah, tell them. So I was watching Brian Burke talk about the Kachuk and Doughty beef. That was really good.

Yeah, it was a great breakdown. But did you notice in his breakdown from Saturday that when they were showing highlights of the Kings and Calgary, the first time when

Kachuk got into the beef with everybody. Aginla was on the Kings, and then he was chirping Calgary. That was weird. And it was so weird. I didn't like it. Did you think it was weird? I didn't like it. Yeah, no, that was yucky.

I completely forgot that piece of history happened. I choose to pretend Jerome Aginla retired like five years ago. Him not on the Flames was weird. All those years in the Avalanche. Remember, he was a penguin. And a Bruin. And a Bruin. But he was more of a Bruin than a penguin.

Yeah. Jerome McGinley in powder blue. This should have never happened. It was gross. What do you remember about that? And there's a reason I'm doing this. Pain. What do you remember about that Game 7 2013 play?

Do you remember much about it? The actual play itself, not really other than, well, one thing that stayed constant. The Leafs are doing a much better job, I think. I don't know what the numbers are. of sort of preventing the other team from getting into the zone or like once they breach, just quickly dealing with it. But once that other team establishes possession. They have a really hard time.

Holy shit. And Boston are better than anybody else at it. And they have since 2013. Yes. And so interesting that you bring that up because there's a reason I'm asking. Well, because it would, I mean, that was the whole adventure of Reimer. Yeah. Like the puck would just stay in that zone and you're like, all right,

now that it's here I know he's facing at least 5 shots yeah and then every game it's 50 shots I want you to go back and I want you to watch it

one more time no no homework because what happens is Cody Franzen clears the puck who had 2 goals Cody Franzen

clears the puck as clears the puck away from a wide open net with a backhand and it's a weak clear

so where does it go the Leafs are getting so much better at that too where does it go where does Cody Franzen's cleared puck Go.

I assume the stick of Patrice Bergeron. You're right. Are you serious? Yes. And into the back of the net. Last night, Cody Ceci, the other Cody. Oh my God, we're done here. Backhand cleared a shot.

It went right to Patrice Bergeron, who got it to Marchand, who got it across to Pasternak, and into the back of the net, top cheddar. I had a 19 and a half minute LFR today, and I managed not to be mean to Cody Ceci. We're about to start. You want to see it here, Steve? Oh, goddammit. You've got to see it. Okay, you can't put this on the screen.

Wait, is this 2013 or is this last night? This is 2013. 2013. Watch this. I can't put it on the screen. I can't believe it took almost six minutes to finish off this god awful. I think we've still got a minute because it ends at 13. Oh, Phil Kessel was on the ice.

That's nice. It's scary. That's nice. Let me know when to stop talking. Keep going. It is absolutely terrifying. Reimer makes a save. No one's there for the rebound.

Reimer makes a save. No one's there for the rebound. Reimer makes a save. No one's there for the rebound. Reimer can't make that save. Reimer made three saves. And Leafs had possession. Franzen had possession.

Oh, yeah. I wasn't paying attention. I was focusing on Reimer and how much I love him. Watch four. Franzen is twice the size of Marchand, and that's not even current Marchand. He's so slow. Watch him right here. There.

What was that? Did you see that? Oh, go home. And immediately they know. What are the Leaf fans in the front row doing? are they celebrating all of them every single leaf

on that ice where is Franzen going oh my goodness where was he shooting the puck right where was he shooting the puck Russia so when I saw CeCe

do that last night I was like oh my god it happened again it happened again and this time it's another Cody and I don't understand

big slow right handed defenseman yeah yeah man it is and you know I have to say Bergeron, Marchant

unreal against the Leafs they're just always so good Imposta Let's talk about Cody Cece Yes Can you bring up

The ice time from last night Now Because we sure thought We sure thought That maybe he'd be okay And since fans are like You just wait I'm starting to think

Worse than Zaitsev I still understand The purpose of the trade By the way And wouldn't undo it I want to clarify I want to clarify something Arvin

Sent me Sent me The reason that Cody Cece Had to sign here Oh Good Good, good, good. So many times.

Okay, but I'm going through this. Nearly a month into the season, this is good. He messaged me. He's like, I want to correct you on something. And I was like, okay, okay. So he said, I explicitly said the Leafs could walk away from the CC arbitration ruling if it got to the point that he would become a UFA thereafter. The confusion arises from the fact that Cody could simply have accepted his qualifying offer until July 15th if he didn't want that particular scenario. And at that point, the Leafs would have no options.

So at least he didn't accept his qualifying offer. and they were able to negotiate something else. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. He held the cards. CeCe held the cards. Great.

Theory. Theory. I assume we're going to get into this as well, the fact that the Leafs have to cut four guys off of their team in a week. Well, maybe not with Andreas Janssen. It might be more like two. Oh, my God. What's the update there?

I haven't seen it. It was x-rays are negative. So no break. So no break. But I bet he's bruised, and you probably give him a couple games off. Especially with the back-to-backs. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Just not good. Does Cody Cece get moved in the Nick Patan deal? Because they said he's available. Right. And they're going to send him down, but they're not going to send him down. They're going to trade him away somewhere. Right. Is Cody Cece packaged away with Nick Patan?

Then we don't have to worry about it. Yeah, and that's fair to Nick Patan. There's no opportunity here. Yeah. So it'd be nice to move him. Jesse, I love the creativity. They're not winning with this player. They're not.

So, and I look at this team, it's so unfair to point at one guy and go, that's the problem. It's so close to being great. It really is. And that, if you bring up the ice time from last night. I have it here. The, no, no. I mean the whole, well, okay. The shift chart?

What did, how much did Morgan Rielly play last night? Or no, let's just look up Cody Ceci. What did Cody Ceci play last night against the Boston Bruins? His total time on ice is 21.03. Even strength was 17.50. Shorthanded, 3.13. Right, and that 3.13 led the team. I know that much.

Shorthanded, yeah. 21 minutes. There's your top pairing, Cody Ceci. Wow, okay. How much did Morgan Riley play? Morgan Riley played total time on ice is 25.59. Hmm. That's a four-minute difference from his partner.

Okay, okay, maybe that can be explained by the overtime. Okay, what did Tyson-Barry play? Give me one second. Because that's the second pair, so it was less. Yeah. For sure, right? Well, I don't know. I would argue they're the first pair.

Oh, would you? Barry and Muzzin? No. I would argue that. No. Well, Babcock wouldn't. They're the most complete pairing. Babcock wouldn't, unless his ice time suggests otherwise.

Tyson Berry's ice time was 25-48. Interesting. 25-48? No, that was all even strength. No power play, no sure hand at time. That's wild. He didn't get any special teams? Nope, zero.

Oh, well, he doesn't kill penalties, and the Leafs didn't get a power play. Right, yeah. Oh, yes. Which is painful, by the way. Agonizing. Agonizing. And every time, it's like, you know what it is? The Bruins are just really good at getting away with it.

They're brilliant. There's no team. I don't know if there's a team in NHL history that's better than it. They are masters of the craft. Easily missed Char interference, and there was an interference on Matthews that led to the third goal. Anyway, what did Jake Muzzin play? This is the last one. Face wash Muzzin.

Face wash Muzzin. Who doesn't have to wash his face because his beard scares away germs. Jake Muzzin. Get away. 27-01. Wow. Wow. That's 24 minutes on even strength.

Jake Muzzin's going to be a lead next year, man. He's staying. Wow. Can people smarter at hockey answer this question? Cody Ceci's on the second pair. I would call it the second pair. That's what that ice time suggests. What's the difference between him and Justin Hall, really?

I think there might be an argument to be made that Justin Hall is a more effective player besides nearly 4 million dollars what's the difference why is Cody CeCe better and why is he 4 million dollars better he was drafted higher and he's younger and he makes more

that's the difference Ty goes to the veteran Justin Hall is older I think he is older they are going to hopefully trade that guy into the sun God bless him We're done here. We're done. Like such a key, like Babcock really had to galaxy brain that friggin game. You're playing the Bruins, friggin Tavares is out, Janssen leaves mid

game. We saw all the little tricks he pulled out of his sleeve, Marner's on this line and Nylander's on this line and Janssen's out, okay friggin Timoshawn I don't care! And he had Gauthier intentionally taking defensive zone draws against Bergeron and he won most Because he can win a face-off. Because he can now. Now. Because he learned. Because you can learn that skill.

He picked up a new trick. Yeah, right? Six years on. So to that point, Mike Babcock, I think the thing that you could say most about Mike Babcock after last year's playoffs, especially Game 7, was that his inability to make adjustments on the fly killed him. Absolutely killed him. And he made adjustments on the fly in this game because he had to. And it worked

Now, again, close game, overtime win But I think the Leafs had And the Bruins did outshoot the Leafs Pretty significantly Ten of those shots of the difference Were on the power play So I think even strength I think the Bruins were plus six

In the actual shots on goal category But you give the Leafs one power play Probably catches up Come on So then with Cody Ceci Travis Dermott can't come back And neither can Zach Hyman until next Saturday because of the way LTIR works.

So you've got two back-to-backs this week. This week is going to suck, ladies and gentlemen. This is the shit week. This sucks. If they come out with two wins, I will be pretty happy. You've got to hope they win both front games. Can I just say, now that we know Tavares is hurt, I think I'm doing a complete 180 on my Anderson-Hutchison thing.

Dude, secure the first win Yeah, secure the bag You don't have JT Secure the first win You're not winning both Now, now You think the Leafs are beating the Bruins Tuesday? I don't know

Your chances of beating the Blue Jackets Are better, at least They're good They're better But yeah, you've got the Blue Jackets and the Bruins Which just seems unfair And the Blue Jackets always play the Leafs so tight They do, they do

And then the Sharks on Friday, Canadians on Saturday, which I love. We're going to be second half of a back-to-back. So Michael Hutchinson again against the Canadians again on Hockey Night in Canada. Have fun. Sorry, Hutch. But with Cody Ceci specifically, you have the injection of Travis Dermott into the lineup. It's going to be November before Freddie catches Hutchinson in Hockey Nights. Yeah.

It's so shitty. Oh, well. Do you, in that second game, put Travis Dermott right into the first, whatever, if Morgan Riley and Cody Ceci are the first pairing, do you put Travis Dermott right next to Morgan Riley and say, screw it? Because to me, it's like it's first game back. You remember how long it took Nylander, Nylander never got going last year, but it seems as though that might be a bit unfair as much as you want Travis Dermott to do that.

They're clearly managing around Cody Ceci. Okay, is Dermott going to have any less poise than Ceci? Dude, that guy, it's shocking. It's shocking. What do you mean by poise? Ability to not handle the puck like it's a grenade. Ability to pick up on when the puck is behind you. Because what I see every single game,

puck is on Riley's side of the ice, they ring it around behind the net, and every person on the ice knows where the puck is, and CeCe is last. He's last to figure it out. He turns with the speed of the Titanic and he's second there. Every single game.

And then the puck stays and God knows what happens. That's what I mean. So you put Travis Dermott in because you know he'll be better whether or not it's fair to Travis Dermott. I put Travis Dermott in there because he couldn't be much worse.

Dermott's been skating this whole time so that's good. Like he's been skating in North America with the Leafs staff. which is the difference between him and Willie, that in a month. So you think he's coming back this week? They're saying it's available and they've been skating. Hyman and Dermott have been skating.

I don't think Hyman will be back. No. I feel like Dermott might. Maybe if Yanni's out. God, I hope not. If Yanni's out, you can just pull from the guys you have. Yeah. That's another interesting thing.

Actually, a couple interesting things. So I don't think, because Tavares can't go on LTIR, because he's not out for long enough. Janssen, it sounds like he might miss a game or two. Here's the thing. The Leafs literally cannot afford to call up another forward. So a lot of people were saying Korshkov. He's had an amazing start with the Marlies.

Like, I want to say five goals in four games, something like that. They can't afford to call him up. And they're actively trying to trade Patan. Are you going to risk that trade by playing him? If you play one game with less than 18 skaters, after that one game, you get a league minimum player on your roster without it counting against yourself. So what I would do then is I would do that against Columbus tomorrow night.

You earned your money there, Kyle. Scratch and Brandon. Scratch CeCe. Are we there? Riley, Muzz, and Barry, Hall, and Marincin. No, but then you'd still be on your roster. You have to have a roster of less than 18. And if you play that game, say a guy gets injured and you only have 17 skaters,

and you play one game with 17 skaters, then going forward, the CBA allows you to add another player who only makes league minimum. Dude, I don't know. Maybe. If it comes to that, there are solutions, but they'd have to play one game with 17 skaters. But then you're going to have to just completely drain one of the players by double-shifting them in the front half of a back-to-back. Right CeCe was

His best game as a Leaf so far Was against Columbus So So Patan You said you'd be worried about Patan In a potential trade scenario Well he gets rocked twice a game So they're gonna throw him in

If he gets injured Then you throw him on LTIR And the problem's solved Yeah I guess I guess That's a ruthless way It's weird that

If John Tavares was injured for longer It would solve their problems It's so weird It kind of sucks John Break another finger You know Yeah, be a captain.

Be a captain and break your finger. No, I think it'll be interesting to see how this goes, because if you're Andreas Janssen, you've taken a real shot off the ankle, and that will bruise, and he should probably take the first two games off, although they're athletes and they're insane. Because I would much rather have him

for the Saturday night in Montreal, because they can't have another Saturday night go like that. Like that Saturday loss, that comeback loss. threw them for a week and a half and I get like mentally it really did

and Morgan Rielly Morgan Rielly said it and so did Mike Babcock after the game Mike Babcock said that game last night meant more to the Leafs than it did to the Bruins

which is Mike Mike Babcock's way of saying that's a statement game I like that and Morgan Rielly said the same thing you see their celebration

at the end for Rielly and and Marner that game was like taking a big shit yeah yeah you see the relief

you see the relief your intestines The sun's just clear. Just, we beat the Bruins. Thank God. So that's the point where I kind of think, man, they finally, it seems like they're a little, I mean, the Leafs have been soft to start. They really have.

I wonder if they're starting to feel like, okay, now we got our mojo back a little bit here. Let's get rolling. Like, what are we waiting for? Let's go. The one thing I'll definitely thank the Boston Bruins for is they woke the Leafs up. Yeah. That was the first game they hit, like, at all, at all, other than passive-aggressively. Babcock really does not like Jason Spezza, huh?

Well, he played. Because I was just thinking, I was like, yeah, Kasperi Kapan, no, wait, I didn't really see much of him. Oh, right, that's because they wouldn't play his center. They wouldn't play him. I think he played less than Go. Yeah, it's a little sad. I don't know, do you have the ice time there, Jesse? Yeah, I can pull it back up.

What if the Leafs waive Jason Spezza? He's one of the guys on the list of guys that could be moved for the four. So it's Patan, Spezza, Marincin, Hall. Marincin and Patan have already gone through waivers, so you probably won't lose them. And Nick Shore. Nick Shore has not. Spezza has not. I don't think either Nick Shore or Jason Spezza get claimed.

I don't see it. And Timoshev, you missed him. And Timoshev as well. Timoshev can't go back anyway. I believe he's at that point now where he'd have to clear waivers as well. Patan and Gravel. Gravel. Oh, Gravel's on that list.

I think it's Gravel. Gravel. Gravel and Patan are the only guys who have cleared waivers. Well, Gravel's going back. Yes. That's clear. So it's Patan and Gravel who are going. Yeah.

And then, yeah, it's up to them. So that's two guys who are scratched, and then they have to, holy shit, what a mess. Man, if they can move CC, that'd be dope. Do you think, so, Adam, your bet is Spezza clears? Spezza clears. And then we need one more of Hall, Marincin, Timoshev, and Shorter clear. What do you guys think? You know who I bet claims?

Marincin, I thought already. No. Marincin didn't clear. No. Marincin clears. And I, by the way, are we? I like him. Yeah.

Is he passable? He's guy. That's a good way of putting it. Okay, do you want him in your game seven lineup? do I mind him as a spare option? Same answer as last year. He's just guy. Look around the league.

Most teams do not have wicked bottom, or like seventh guy options. Yeah, you usually have top two, top three defensemen who, like last night, played 25 to 27 minutes. And that's what happened. Barry Muzzin-Riley, all over 25 minutes. Yep. And again, Babcock played it right.

Yeah. Jason Spezza, to me, passes. You know who cannot score a friggin' goal? and could probably use a guy like Jason Swenson. Ottawa. Dallas. Oh. Aren't they?

Send them back? Yeah. Dallas won a game last night. It was their second of the year. Corey Perry had a nice little backhand, too. You tried that whole hometown thing. It didn't work out. You want to go to the team you played for last year

and did well for in the playoffs? Hmm. Play with a bunch of other old guys? You said it was only their second win? Yeah. Oh, wow. Dallas has won twice. And Dallas is so old, they're like literally the retirement home team.

Like, Pavelski is old, and Perry is old. Hey, Minnesota wants to challenge you on that. No, they're the slow team. But like, intentionally and newly old. Yes. Like, they signed old. They're like, yeah, they're like trying to fight with the Sharks to be the oldest team in the NHL. It's crazy.

Yeah, like I saw... Actually, I'd like to see the Raptors. Yeah, they get Pavelski and Perry, and I'm like, man, half a decade ago this team would have been sick. Yeah. Rube Hintz looks really nice, but he's the only guy who can score. So we're thinking Marincin goes down, Spezza says Babcock hates him, he's also gone. And then there's your roster. Cool.

Still not great. Dubas has got to pull some wizardry, man. I'm telling you, CeCe in the next two weeks might be shipped away in a Nick Patandio. Just fingers crossed. Dallas' average age, 27.6. Toronto's is 27.9. Yeah, but like, in terms of importance in the lineup. The important guys.

Right, yeah. How old are they? Interesting. Those stats are always kind of meh. Yeah, because if your fourth line is filled with a bunch of 21-year-olds, then it's not really. Or 41-year-olds. Or 41-year-olds, which the Leafs are. The Leafs, like four best players, Tavares, Riley, Matthews, Marner.

Tavares is the only guy who's older than that average age. Jake Muzzin is slightly older than it, and then we go down the list. Yeah, it's a bunch of kids. Spezza is 37, so he kind of screws it up. Isn't Muzzin the oldest defenseman? Yeah. I find it frustrating, though. How much ice time did Spezza get?

Nine minutes, like 15 seconds, something like that. So what sucks is Kapanen and Moore. 9-11, nice. So Kapanen and Moore, to me, are guys that need to play, especially against Boston. Neither of them really were able to get into the game. Yeah. So, like, for a game that was so good. If you don't like Spezza, put Nick Shore in there.

He wasn't great either. Shore played 836, Kapanen 1655. Given the situation, could you move Goat up? That's what I'm saying. Goat, Kapanen, Moore, somebody, anybody. I thought he was going to literally go to the minors. Like, I didn't think anyone would claim him. I can't believe he's this good.

Goat? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Can't believe he's this good. I thought, I don't know. Babcock with two back-to-backs this week, he's going to have to get used to playing some players more than he would want. And Spezza should be one of them.

Is there some big hole in Spezza's game that I'm missing? He hasn't looked bad. Not really. He's kind of slow. Not like Shore's a burner. You know? Goat? No, like Goat's a burner.

Goat's skating better. Bruh. He's much faster. If that guy ever hit anyone with a hit that hurt, the stands would be packed with Gautier jerseys. Packed. This fan base is dying for a player like that. Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't more Hyman jerseys.

Or Jake Muzzin. Jake Muzzin throws hits. People are starting to go, oh, I like this. The Leafs re-sign him. People lock those up immediately. You're going to see the Scotiabank arena packed with Muzzin jerseys. Gautier did have the play where he's standing over Jara. And he was face-washing them.

Yeah. That's a thing. That's a thing. That's a thing. Yeah. He started. You're such a, like a, you're a parent. Positive Polly.

Yeah, you're like, hey, hey, you ought to be proud of yourself. Exactly. Going into last night, the Bergeron line was responsible for 14 of the Bruins' total 19 goals this season. No way. And they got a couple more. Wow. Well, because who was it? It was, I know Pasternak got one.

Who got the first one? Pasternak got two, didn't he? Why can't I remember Who got the first one Oh it was DeBrusque Heinen, Pasternak And DeBrusque Who scored

So they got one more Okay So that's 15 of 20 15 of No 15 of 22 And Heinen was on the power play So it still doesn't Even really count

It counts Power play goals count No it doesn't We went over that last No they're different goals No They're worth different They don't count the same

No It's not how stats work It's a Power play goal is like 15 courses. It's not even a full goal. 16 courses is a full goal. Somebody was kind enough

to reach out to me actually after the last show and they're like, hey, heard you've been, you know, like ripping on heat maps and stuff like that. Do you want me to teach you

how to do it? It's not that hard. No, it's more fun to rip them. Ignorance is bliss. I don't doubt the knowledge, but it is sort of fun to be stupid. No, I'm kidding.

I would actually like to learn, so I am going to message that person. Oh, I want to teach you Whatever, nerd! Sorry, no, I would actually... It's always so nice because they're like, I hate to be that guy, but if you would like to learn,

I'm like, don't hate to be that guy, I want to learn. It's not nerd-splaining, it's just knowledge. Nerd-splaining. Nerd-splaining, I don't know, it's a term I made up in my head. So this is Hell Week for Leafs and Leaf fans. There's going to be a lot of stress on Tuesday and Saturday night against Boston and whoever, whoever created this schedule. Like this, if I'm Brendan Shanahan, I'm making a call to the NHL.

We have two division games on the second nights, and one of them is on Hockey Night in Canada. Boston and Montreal, and you're the second half of a back-to-back. Yeah, this is a problem. But once this week is over and once this month is over, things start to kind of get a little bit more normal. Yeah, because they had 800 games this month, so there's no choice. They're ahead so far. So if they could just get through it, that'd be good. It's ridiculous.

They end, this is actually really nice So they end Okay, there's this week Then there's one more game So they get Sunday, Monday off Tuesday versus Washington at home Nice Then they get Wednesday, Thursday, Friday off

They play Philly on the road, hockey night Sunday, Monday off Vegas at home Wednesday off Or sorry, LA at home Wednesday off, Vegas at home Friday off Philly at home

And then again another home and away Back to back with Chicago Then they get Monday Tuesday off And hopefully Tavares is back in time For a game At Mass Hawk Coliseum They get a day off Boston

Oh my god can we stop putting Boston in back to backs You know what's funny This month is so much easier than October And it's still shit They don't even get an easy month If they just get an easy few days. Mid-November, they have a Boston Penguins back-to-back. They get lost.

Who hurt you? Why are you doing this to the Leafs? I think the Leafs have got to make a phone call. On the second half of that back-to-back, they're not even playing a real team, so it doesn't really matter. That's true. They are playing a soft team, but Geno might be back, so they might be a real team again.

Oh, my dear God. Oh, Adam, how dare you, first of all. Oh, my God. I'm looking at January. Looking at January. All of January There's not one back-to-back Wow

Imagine Imagine Holy shit this team I'd like to imagine Anything else on last night's Leaf game? Hooray Hooray Yeah

Nice I'm glad that they won No Okay so you were talking about Like Montreal That game just Really screwing with them for a while What a way to get your

Season back on track Yeah You can make all sorts of excuses Dude you didn't have John Tavares Like, that's pretty big. But this win, that game meant so much more to the Leafs than it did the Bruins. The Bruins have still only lost one game in regulation, I'm pretty sure. How much ice time did Matthews get?

Continue, sorry. 23 minutes. 23, yeah. A little over 23 minutes. Great. Yeah, he didn't look, people were talking about he sort of looked pedestrian, but, like, it's a lot easier to shut him down when Tavares isn't in the picture. That's what I was just about to mention when he said one more thing.

Bruce Cassidy, after the game, said it was easy to focus on one line because it was Matthews and Marner. So, everybody needs to ease off of Matthews a little for having a little off game. I don't think they do. He makes $11.5 million. I think Matthews has to dominate in every game in every situation. Yes, but he's playing against arguably the best line in hockey is the problem. And arguably the best, there's no argument, the best two-way center in hockey. Sure.

I'm glad he came through in overtime. I'm glad he came through in overtime. It would have been better if he looked more dangerous at 5-on-5. Matthew's not a guy that can be neutralized forever. However, when you make that kind of money, it comes with that expectation. So yes, you are playing Bergeron. Absolutely. Find a way to beat him.

And he did. They did at the end of the game. Eventually. And he's a younger guy. Bergeron's been there before. Won Cups. Been to the finals a couple times after that as well. Like, I get it.

But also, we can't be looking at Austin Matthews like he's a kid anymore. Right. It is now time for him to... And I say this because I'm going to get a bunch of shit tweets about this. No, you're right. You're right. But we have been treating these guys with... Well, they're kids.

They're developing or whatever. Totally. You are 200, almost 250 games into your NHL career. Riley's like 46 years old. Yeah. 25. Like in Leaf played for Carlisle years, he's 46. It's crazy.

It's crazy. It's time. He's like a dog. Mark, Matthews, Nylander, it is time. Yes. It's time for them to step up in big moments. Now, you're making your money. Step up.

Matthews knows. I think he knows. And he's been a big game guy for them. Yeah. So I'm not calling him out, but I do want to say, I don't buy the excuse anymore that even if it is the best line in hockey, you get paid more than Bergeron and Marchand put together. Yeah.

Well, and it was hard. Yeah, not quite. It's going to be. Yeah. It's going to be hard. I don't think Janssen getting hurt helped. But they did well Given the circumstances

Now he has to have The biggest week of his career He's been phenomenal to start the season Just been unbelievable And there was a reason Kerfoot was able to get in there And get a goal I think it's just one game The expectations for Matthews are clearly sky high

And it's like One game he got shut down By one of the best defensive lines In hockey And it'll happen let's not just chastise the guy right now no

remove his A but I'm saying that excuse doesn't exist anymore 100% I'm definitely assuming that the childlike joy in Marner's face

ah he's back yeah he's back like I know his point production hasn't gone anywhere took him a while

to get a 5 and 5 point but like that fate like that's the Marner I know why why is it that Matthews refuses not Matthews

sorry Mike Babcock why is it that he won't play Matthews and Marner together I don't know because look William Nylander is good is looking good zone entry King Yeah, why wouldn't why wouldn't if listen if Tavares can get? Brock Nelson, who was it? Who's he gotta be Anders Lee? Oh, Josh Bailey got 60 assists

Like if he can get all those guys to be good players Nylander is in my estimation better than any of the guys I just listed from from the years. He's just got more skill Why wouldn't you try Tavares-Nylander for a bit? Not that it doesn't work with Matthews, but it seems as though if Matthews and Marner, they talk about after the game, Marner even said, it's like we know where each other is. Why don't you just try it?

Which is wild because how on earth would you know where each other is? Because you've never played? Is it because the Tavares-Marner line was so good last year? You don't break that up? Probably. Just because? And the year before, Matthews and Nylander were the dominant line. Yeah, I don't know.

Before we had Tavares. Because I don't think, I don't really like the idea of, it was sort of effective for a while, but using the Tavares line as the shutdown line, it helped, but like, you're taking a 47 goal scorer and a 94 point getter out as an offensive threat. But they're not, because they still, that's the numbers they put up last year. Yeah, but I'm talking about like during the playoffs, right? So I think he was like, okay, this line is responsible defensively. This line is the we line.

Although Matthews and Nylander never really got to play. He couldn't put Nylander in that position because Nylander was not going. And he sucked. So what if when Hyman comes back and Tavares comes back, and hopefully Janssen's there, Janssen, Matthews, Marner, and Janssen and Marner played together for a while last year too. And then Hyman And Nylander Centered by Tavares

And Hyman and Nylander played together for a long time Longer than they haven't actually Nylander would be on his wrong wing then No he'd be on the right No Hyman would be Hyman's always left wing Righty on the left wing Which is impossible for some people to do

Like Kapanen but perfectly fine for him to do Okay It could be something Could be really interesting I would like to say huge congratulations to the Pittsburgh Penguins who have beaten

one one real team since last we met wow that was only a few days ago I know wow I know one real team guys

and they now lead the Metro do they? yeah first place yeah they do five game winning streak they were on at what point

really? they were until last night at what point Stephen? yeah do we get our best china

our best plates We pull them out of the old cabinet that all mothers seem to have. Grandma's cabinet. We don't know where it comes from, but a grandma's, it's always been there. It's there. There's a ceramic cow. We go in there, pluck out the china, put down a piece of crow on that plate, and serve it up to our dear friend Adam. God, that was so long.

That was long. That was so long. When does Adam have to eat crow? Here's the thing. You know, it's incredible and it's funny to me. We could be sitting here kind of saying it was zero wins. I mean, really, that overtime, you could not get a luckier balance in overtime than what Brandon Tanev got. It's true.

And it's Brandon Tanev, right? Well, I'm just saying. Right. And I want to say my inbox was flooded with messages. Can I read some of them for you? Oh, read them. Oh, finally, you for a change. I think I just do a better job muting people, Adam.

First off, first message. Eat shit, Adam Wilde. Oh, God. Next message. You're a clown, dude. Ha ha. Pens are ten times any team you like. Beat the abs into the ground.

I don't believe that's how the game went. So shut the fuck up. Crosby can drag any team to the promised land. Just put a ring on it. That part's true. He's right. Yeah, well. Another message, and I like this one.

Is the way the Penguins scored the OT goal, does that make it less sorry, this isn't worded properly, but does the way the Penguins scored the OT goal make the win less meaningful against the Avs? You know, you gotta ask the question. No, I say no. That's the message to me. That's what we use. I say no.

I am a Pens fan who watches both Steve and the podcast and the points that you made about their soft start were indeed correct. Another message. Go Pens and pie is great, you virgin. That's a guy who gets it. I've been getting so many virgin tweets. Yeah, looks like the Pens could beat a good team.

And just a reminder, that's without Malkin, Bukestad, McCann, Rust, or Galch tonight. Yeah, you liberal cuck. Did you get called that? As a Pens fan, I kindly ask that you keep saying that they are bad. It seems like a good luck charm for Teddy Pfluger and co. Yeah, it seems like it's working. Joders, Blugers. Jared Parker Music on my Instagram, who was very upset, said,

Ha ha ha, you schmuck. Pens win. I don't even think he knew about our show until I released that clip, which, by the way, I think had over 10,000 views on Twitter. Oh, wow. Oh, good. He said, I'm not even a Pens fan, and hearing you shit on the Pens made me think, does this guy watch hockey? Does this guy know who Sid the Kid is? Pittsburgh, with one T, not two, starts slow. Do you know what I'm thinking about Pittsburgh?

Pittsburgh starts slow like two out of three every year. They always come back because they are grinders, all in capital letters. Grinders! Only team to win back-to-back Stanley Cups since Iserman's Detroit. Sit down. Now that. Yeah, sit down. That was after.

Be humble. Hold up. Hold up, though. It continues. Oh. Because that comment happened on my Instagram after the post went up on Wednesday night before the Penns-Abs game or Thursday or whatever it was. Then he comes back a day later.

That's what he's thinking about. Comments on the same video and said, the schmuck saga continues. oh he's trying to make his chirp a thing so he came back now here's what I want to say here's what I want to say some of

the nicest hate I've ever gotten has come from you in the last week some of the nicest hate some of the most polite hate I didn't read you all the messages from you schmucks but it was right it was nice um the one thing that I haven't seen and I'm surprised

I have to admit I'm a little hurt I'm a little raw about it wow I have not yet received a thank you from Pittsburgh I felt that because I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not I think that you are

I did this I did this how can we make this about the Leafs well here's the thing I'm not an unreasonable guy I'll give you another shot to thank me after this show goes up But here's why You know that everything that we make

Every bold prediction we make on this show What happens We're right In fact the equal and opposite reaction It is literally Hey New Jersey's gonna have a great season Andre Pavlik's not a goalie Goes on a heater

I would love to know the difference in feeling Like between us shitting on your team And us complimenting your team Yeah, no, I know I bet the record's pretty bad Now, Pittsburgh Very clearly, I jinxed you into winning This is me

Not Crosby It me No, it couldn't possibly be me It was me, it was this show and it was me And it was a jinx Here's the thing If you don't thank me I'm gonna have to put you on a list

I've decided that this year I will have a list Do you have a scarf? And if the list is on it, if you're on this list, that is, it means that I have predicted that you will win the Stanley Cup. What? Pittsburgh. You don't want me to predict that you will win the Stanley Cup this year, do you? Are you going to put that evil on the city of Pittsburgh?

Given, given that whatever we say will happen boldly, the opposite happens. You don't want me to say you're going to make the playoffs, no problem. That you're going to win the Metro, no problem, do you? Oh, for the love of Primanti's Adam. No, say it. Say it, Adam. Listen, I won't say it yet. I've got my little notebook over here.

Oh, no. Believe it or not. It's a notebook. Oh, has Pittsburgh made the list? That's empty right now. Oh. It's empty. Don't make me put the Pittsburgh Penguins will win the Stanley Cup in writing.

Don't make me do it. Oh, no. Do it. Don't make me do it. Do it. No, I'm just going to... I'm waiting for the thank yous. Evan Huber, Leah, every Pittsburgh fan that reaches out after every show, I love you guys.

By the way, Pittsburgh, first show outside of Toronto that this show actually took off it. It's a true story. First non-Toronto city that the podcast took off was really embraced. Thanks to Tumblr. Thank you to Tumblr. Which decided to ruin itself. Yeah. Yeah.

Who was it that bought it? No, it wasn't Viacom. Well, whoever it was, they took away boobs. Verizon? People didn't like that. They ruined Tumblr. How do you take away boobs and think you're going to succeed? Yahoo?

I think it was Yahoo. I don't know. Oh, wait. Yeah. So here's what I want to say this list. Oh, yeah, no Sir, this list is empty right now Pittsburgh don't make me put you on this list. That's evil and by the way Pittsburgh Pittsburgh you've won one game against the real team Leafs have two people kept going

Well the Leafs to do I know I've been critical of the Leafs. Well, this isn't about the Leafs is about Pittsburgh However, I have to give Pittsburgh folk form. No, they did. Nope. It's an age. Oh Their team is an AHL team They're actually Like that SNL skit About LeBron James and the rest of the Cavaliers I pick up his dry cleaning From like

I remember that, that was a good bit That was a good bit, it was a Donald Glover bit But like which team Has done a better job over Oh my god, like a decade There was a few years that were tough The last half decade of surrounding hey, here's five guys who make money

with guys we've never heard of. Well, that's the formula, though. That's what you have to do. All of a sudden, Brian Rust in the Stanley Cup final. Who the hell is this? No, but it's not going to work for the Leafs. Couldn't possibly. Chicago, same thing,

except that their guys just stopped being as good. Yeah, and they stopped surrounding them. Yeah. Good players. Don't make me write Pittsburgh Stanley Cup champions on this. Don't make me write Jim Rutherford is a fantastic general manager on this. Oh, no, that's a kiss of death.

That's a kiss of death. You already have Jack Johnson and Eric Goodbranson. Jack Johnson. Don't put Jack Johnson first line D. Don't do that. Don't do that. Anyway. Are you a sociopath?

It's a tense standoff. No, I'm just, listen. I'm only doing what I have to. And what Pittsburgh's making me do. Don't make him do it, Pittsburgh. That's all I'm saying. He's a crazy person. That's all I'm saying.

You know what I do love? Pizza. A good war. Not pie. What? Can I go pizza? I like a good war. You like a good war?

Yes. And that is why we have to talk about it. Adam is a war historian. We have got to talk about Dowdy and T'Chuck in just a second. But first, I want to mention, if you would like to play hockey with Matt Sundin and potentially Steve Dangle if his back holds up. It might not. LeoVegas.net.

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also is that play you should play as a guy who sucks and did it anyway buy equipment is it at what is it it's not MasterCard anymore

the Ford Performance Center it's there this year again yeah okay Did they change the name of it? Is it the same building? I don't know Yeah, that's MasterCard

They changed it to 4 Yeah, I remember Rico got changed to Coca-Cola And then this is 4 That's right And Scotiabank changed Everything's flipping Can't wait until the Rogers Center is The Pittsburgh Penguins aren't good center

Steve Dangle Podcast Center For kids who can't read You know, I have the money to go in and buy the name that's the Rogers Center. You do. Don't make me call it the Jim Rutherford Makes Great Signings Center, you guys. Imagine... He actually did until Jack Johnson. I didn't get that one.

Imagine having enough money to do that. Oh, man. Calling it something stupid like PBG Paints Arena or something. Well, PBG Paints is making good money. Yeah, I think they're fun. Good for them. I'm not going to hate on PBG Paints. I know.

Do you see that news story about Pornhub trying to buy the Miami's Arena? Oh, my God. I hope they do. What? It's not going to happen, but they did a petition to try and buy the naming rights to, I think it was the American Airlines Center in Miami. Amazing. It's amazing. What if, that's a tough spot for an owner.

What if they offer you way more? Right? I think you take it. Pornhub, that's the guy I hate. Your job is to make money, right? Oh, sorry. It was Bang Bros. Oh, my bad.

See, Pornhub, I could see. Bang Brothers, no, I don't think so. Yeah, they wanted to buy the American Airlines Center where the Miami Heat play. They wanted to name it Bang Brothers. No, I couldn't see either. Okay, fine. What? The Los Angeles Kings.

That's a hard pivot. All right. The Los Angeles Kings have three wins this season in eight games. They are dead last in the Pacific. Six points. The Edmonton Oilers leading that division with 14 already. Wow. Which is probably half of what they had all of last year.

Honestly, maybe. No. Okay, not quite. Not quite. The LA Kings, two of three of their wins have come against the Calgary Flames. And if you're the Calgary Flames, you're 4-4-1, so you're not bad. A couple games, you'll get back into it, right? Yeah, I guess they're not really in trouble.

They're not. However, forget the fact that there's this rivalry with Chuck and Dowdy. This is a basement-dwelling team. Should be. Should be. Well, the LA Kings are, right now, objectively are, basement-level Pacific Division team. And were last year and were the year before. Have done almost nothing to improve that team.

It's shocking. I think I know why they beat the Flames. Didn't I say that they had a legit shot at last place? Why did they beat the Flames? I think I did. Because I said they had a legit shot at last place. Who did? Flames?

No, the Kings. Okay. Because you forgot, my jinx is a thing, too, Adam. Oh, yes. Oh, it applies to all members of the show. Yes. No, it doesn't. Jesse has a horseshoe.

Okay, fine. Jesse's just one of those people who... I've gotten pretty lucky recently. No, shut up. You're one of those people who's just lucky. No. You just succeed. Maybe he's just good.

No. He is really good. I've gotten a little lucky recently, but I haven't been lucky over the long haul. Jesse, how dare you? Anyways, do you think that the Calgary games, the two games that they play, is the only games they tried? Because I look at those games and how intense they are, just because Dowdy and Kujuk are going at it the whole time.

It seems like those are the only two games they've tried. Maybe the only kind of hockey the Kings know how to play is playoff. They just got to get there. Yeah. That's the problem. Like, if they could play Calgary every game, they'd, like, probably make it and make some noise. Yeah. I don't know, apparently.

Dude, like, Kovalchuk scored last night. Mm-hmm. And I was like, oh, yeah. Isn't it crazy that that's, like, a joke now? Like, wow, even Kovalchuk scored. I know. I feel like he would actually be a better weapon on a different team. He just makes too much money.

Yeah. And he's also old. Yeah. I think he looks a little slow. He old. The whole team. And, like, hard mile old. But if you're Calgary.

Gotta make a hard mile straight at this point. You are 4-4-1 right now. If you had beaten LA, you would be 6-2-1, and you would be second in the division behind Edmonton. Edmonton, who is virtually undefeated. If you won those two games against a basement-dwelling Los Angeles Kings. So to Chuck and Dowdy aside, and Bill Peters, by the way, when he gets mad, Bill Peters gets red. Yo, that guy's getting fired. Oh, damn it.

He's gonna win the jackass. I can't This is the same thing That I said with the Leafs With the Senators Early on in last year The Leafs should have Gone into town

And rolled over the Senators Just blasted them To the moon And they didn't They lost You lose one in a season I get it Two in a month

The Senators won The season series Yeah Three of four And two in one month That was a joke And LA Has beaten Calgary now

Twice in one month Now those are moral victories. It's not going to do LA much good, but it is going to hurt Calgary. Now, I'm sure I'm going to get Flames fans saying, in November when they're second or third in the division, be like, see, it's not hurting us now. I'm telling you, four or five points. What do Flames fans sound like? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa.

Points against bad teams matter. I am shocked that the Calgary Flames cannot beat the LA Kings. That's weird to me. They're also weirdly struggling on the road, 1-4, as opposed to 3-0-1 at home. The dome is loud. Saddle Dome is loud because it dips down. The concave roof. The camera angle is weird as well.

Yeah, it's quite loud. But I'm wondering, is in Calgary... Is it time to blow it up? No, I don't know if there's an issue in Calgary. Is it time for a rebuild? Is it a slow start? Is it a long-term issue? I mean, I don't know, but Riddich has been pretty good.

Yeah. I wouldn't say, like, really the reason they're losing. So what is it there? Because remember a couple years ago, I think it was Berkey's last year with the Flames, they fell off the wagon going into the playoffs and didn't make it. And they said there were character issues in the room. Remember, they said there was a bunch of character issues in the room. Doug thought the players-only meeting was at a museum.

We all know how that turned out. Dougie Hamilton was the problem. Yeah, and now look at the Hurricanes. They're shit. Wait. What do we say about the Calgary Flames at this point? Now, again, it's early in the season. It's easy to overreact.

But what do you see based on what you've seen so far? I see a frustrated team. You know what I mean? They don't seem to be having a lot of fun. No. And there was, what was it? It was Detroit. Detroit.

Darren Helm got, I want to say, a fine for a slash. But before that it was like this big elbow from Lindholm They just seem Very frustrated And not themselves You know what I mean like how I was just saying Marner hasn't quite seemed himself The Flames are an energetic

Fun team And When I was watching them There was the first game against LA Where they were down 3-0 and ended up coming back And forcing overtime They should take some solace in that I was watching

the first half of that game that night and I was just like these guys are boring and they don't look like they care or give a shit and it was a game

on home ice they were losing 3-0 to the Kings T'Chaka always does yes Brady and him both brothers are always in it

they're always in every game they're in yeah yes that is absolutely true the T'Chaks are jerks but there are players on that team

that do from time to time I don't know disappear or just look human, normal? Well, okay. Ineffective. The Stanley Cup final,

Boston, St. Louis. Boston's got Bergeron. St. Louis has Ryan O'Reilly. Okay, the year before, Vegas was super weird. But William Carlson had a 40-goal season. Yeah. Jonathan Marcheseau, I think, as well.

Oh, yeah, crazy. Washington had Backstrom, Kuznetsov playing the best hockey of his life. Like is Sean Monaghan better than any of them? He gets a lot of points He does but like Like I don't know if that's the guy And like

No I'm not saying he's a bad player Not even close I still go ooh Because I think there's going to be a lot of people go excuse me Well it's not It's not quite this level But you know how like in the past we've looked at Sorry I'm dying

It's okay In the past, we've looked at Ryan Johansson and gone, I'm sorry, is that the guy? Like, is that your number one guy? Which I guess he doesn't really have to be right now. I sort of wonder that a little bit with Monaghan. I wouldn't, I'm not putting the slow start on. He had 82 points last year. Yeah, that's good.

That's good. He's got 60, but is he your number one guy? I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I don't hate that, that argument. I know Matthews has never hit 82 points. Because even if it's Okay, Sean Monaghan's your number one guy That means everything's less

From that point on It goes downhill from there And if you're going down from Sean Monaghan What's the drop-off? Well, you've got Goudreau, obviously, but he's not a center I think they're just frustrated And it'll take, I don't know Do they have another game coming up

That could be a big win for them? Last season you brought in They're playing the Ducks next Hell yeah, where? In Calgary or Anaheim? That I do not know That's important. Last season, you brought in a winger, James Neal, to be your first line winger. Oh, my God.

Or at least second. And at least second. And that was a failed experiment. And then you swapped that out with a guy who has two assists so far. Oh, they're playing tonight. No, he has one point. Milan Lucic, who has one point. They're playing tonight in Anaheim.

Sorry to interrupt. Can I ask a real dumb question? Real dumb. I'm not proud of the question I'm about to ask. Does the Flames locker room look at the success James Neal is having? and go, maybe this coach doesn't know what he's talking about. They must. It doesn't seem like they have the best locker room culture.

Well, as a coach, you've got to at least convince your team that you know what you're doing. And how can you look just a couple hours down the province? James Neal has more goals than he did last season. Right. Now, it is October 20th. And the guy you got in return currently has one assist. And probably won't get many.

And a fight. Yeah, and won't probably... Like, based on the last two seasons, he's not. He punched Nikita Zdorov. That was cool. But I think you make a good point. Like, it's... How much of this do you lay at the feet of Bill Peters?

And I would say Carolina, before they replaced Bill Peters, because he left, same thing. Same thing. What a marked improvement Carolina was last year over the year before. And that's to the credit of Brandon Moore. And the Flames won their division last year. But shouldn't they With a defense core like that

Shouldn't they with Goudreau and Monaghan Well they had James Neal Lindholm Well it was tight at the top Like Sharks, Vegas, Flames The Flames should be in the top three They should have handled Colorado no problem Yes

So forget that series for a second though Because again the playoffs I feel like anything can happen 82 game season Things usually fall where they should usually I am wondering with Bill Peters if whatever his flaws are and I have to watch more Flames games to really recognize that but if if those flaws are enough that it's going to hold the team back from success because you can see very talented teams lose head coaches when they feel like they're being held back yeah the well Adam what's the Jack Adams it's the whoa we didn't

No, you were good. Yeah. Okay, what's the award for the opposite? It's you're fired. Yeah. The award for bad team, or sorry, the award for good team we expected to be bad is the Jack Adams. The award for bad team we expected to be good is you're fired. The Adam Jack.

The Adam Jack. The Adam Jack. My favorite cereal. Just the Jack. Just the Jack. You get Jack. Oh, you hit the road, Jack. Get out of here.

We all ruined a joke at the same time. High five. Yay. Now you're both saying high five over there. No, but like if you talk, if you read some of the literature coming out of Carolina. Literature. In 2017. It was not favorable to Bill Peters, which was what was so surprising about why Calgary was like, that's our guy.

Hometown boy. The team did not make the playoffs underperformed based on the talent they had on the roster. Because they had a lot of talent on the roster. Adam, there's 35 coaches for 31 teams. What did you expect? Well, right. That's how it works. And, you know, had to have Derek Ryan.

Had to have that guy. Well, and I remember I wanted the Leafs to get him. Sure, for the fourth line. Right. Right. And, I mean, that's when we didn't think Tavares was possible. Damn it. Can you imagine the heater Calgary's going to go on now?

Huh? Can you imagine? Oh, it's going to be great. Calgary's going to go on. Listen, and they should. What happens when they play the Penguins? But if they do go on, they should. They're very good.

And it's two weeks in I get it But there's an issue In Calgary And I'm sure Flames fans Are probably a little bit Frustrated right now Am I wrong?

No Yeah I don't understand How they trust a coach Who clearly never won anything Well he won the division Last year So we might get And then he knocked down

The first round Four straight years Missed the playoffs With Carolina And then you bring him over Man I can't wait For the Calgary Flames To make the cup finals

This year It's going to be great When this makes the round After they fire Bill Peterson Now Dowdy Chachuk Was funny because Before the game Which one of them said it was media manufactured

Well I mean Sportsnet does pump it Come on But they also tear each other apart every time they play There's a serious thing going on And Dowdy's like you know I just want to get back and play And I'm really tired of this stuff And then hip checks Chuck

Dude you turned around And screamed something I am scarcely I don't want to say On this podcast You don't need to. I think you were a bit fired up. Yeah.

Well, and then, did you know, when you watched the Kachuk thing, did you see, like, when Dowdy was on the ice, because Kachuk just was on him. All right. I know that another player, another Flames player, like, dove and jumped over whatever. From the top rope. Yeah, it was great. But Kachuk was punching Dowdy in the head while Dowdy's head was on the ice. Well, and it's funny, because Dowdy, after the overtime winner goes, it's over.

The beef is over. Oh, yeah? No, it's not. That is, it's a first week of the season, regular season game. That's like winning the title on Raw, pretending like it's not leading to WrestleMania. Like you can't, you can't call the beef over in October. SummerSlam is that Sunday and you just got the title by cashing in your money in the bank. What I loved about him saying the beef was over was it's like the Leafs scoring in the first period and saying, okay, we're good here.

We've won the game now. Like George Costanza, just leave work on a high note. 9.30. It's the middle of the day. You can't tell me the beef's over when you're literally punching each other. You're in just a dust swirl, like a fight in Bugs Bunny. And then Mark Giordano comes out of nowhere with a steel chair. It's a slobber knocker every time you guys get together.

Just stop telling me the beef's over. And also, can we just... I know that maybe it's tough for the... Can we just enjoy this? Why can't the players just be like, Yeah, you know what? Don't like him much. Let's go Kings Or let's go Flames

I understand why a guy like Drew Doughty Would want it to be over Like listen I'm arguably my team's most important player I've won the Norris Trophy before I can't be getting involved in this I'm not even convinced Matthew Kachuk is their best player You can't be taking yourself out for five minutes in a fight

Right But if you're Matthew Kachuk You are like this is over when I say it's over Which is never by the way Also I'm younger than you I will follow you until you retire Matthew Kachuk is literally Going to be a thorn in his side

Until he goes I don't play hockey anymore So get used to it Drew I'm sorry If Kachuk was smart He would sign a deal With like Ruffles No Dwought

He has like a Lays chip Kachuk should sign with Ruffles And just have competing Chip commercials If anybody's If anybody is I bet there's somebody

From marketing listening Oh yeah If you are in a competing Chip brand In a marketing company Go hire Kachuk Yeah Oh my god

He'd also be a really good Spokesperson Because he's a great quote Oh, yeah. Kachuk's awesome on camera. He's a mouth. I love him. He's a mouth.

And he's another mouth guard guy. Yeah, he is. Munching on it. What the hell with that? He has a Ruffles mouth guard. And it's great because it's always visible. Feel-good story from last night is Jack Hughes scoring his first goal against the Canucks, against Quinn.

Kind of neat, right? We like that. It was nice to see before. And the Devils actually won the game. I believe I read this. The ninth player to ever score his first NHL goal against his brother. Wow. How has that happened nine times?

And who keeps track of that shit? You guys want to do trivia? Yeah. I have the list of guys who have scored their first goals against their brother. Dear God. I bet four of them are Sutters. Yeah, that doesn't count. That's cheating.

There's like nine of them. Yeah, there is. There's so many Sutters. All right. And then the Hunters. For this trivia, you guys can combine heads because it's kind of a hard list. It's a big-ass head. That is a big head.

Including Hughes vs. Quinn, we got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Nine guys who have scored their first NHL goal against their brother. A couple of them are from 1918, and there's another one from 1921. So you're not going to get those. So let's say if you can get... So Shippey McClanahan. Give me the old-ass names that they have. I'll give you the old ones

And then you guys gotta From the ones that are from 1987 on Which is 1, 2, 3, 4 You guys gotta get 2 of them Okay

To win this game Tell me about Odie Cleghorn So on December 21st 1918 Sprog Cleghorn No lie No lie

Scored against Odie Cleghorn In a Senators Shut up Canadians game The Cleghorn The Cleghorn Now on the same day

In the same game Odie scored against Sprague So Odie and Sprague Both scored their first goals on the same day Same game I cannot see your screen No I can't show you the other day I'll show you after

I cannot see your screen I pulled Odie Cleghorn because it's my favorite Go-to old hockey name Does the Cleghorn clan Still watch hockey Pay attention to hockey Celebrate their great-grandfathers That was over 100 years ago

I know. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Are the Cleghorns listening? Are there younger millennial Cleghorns or Gen Z Cleghorns listening to the show right now? Is there a Cleghorn with AirPods listening to us right now? I know there are people. There are people that I'll get a message every once in a while and be like, yeah, my dad is so-and-so or my grandfather is so-and-so. And you're like, holy moly.

I won't even name the names. But one of the people who listens to our show, one of the major NHL awards is named after his family. Oh, really? Yes, or named after a member of his family. Wow. So, like, it's, because hockey's a, you know, you think that's a big deal or whatever. Hockey's a pretty small community, right? So, it's like it's, you know, hockey fan.

Well, and back then. Especially then. So, I'd be interested to know if any of the Claghorns are listening, or if you know the grandchildren of Odie and what's the other guy, Sprog? So, it's Odie and Sprog, yeah. What a name. Odie and Sprog. Claghorn.

Wow. Oh, fought World War I and came back and scored goals against each other, I bet. All right, what's the 1921? They literally did that just before the armistice. So this was on Christmas Eve, 1921. Frank Boucher scored against Billy Boucher. Senators, Montreal. Billy Boucher?

That's, uh, it's, no, it's boring. You can't open with the clag horns and go to the Bouchers. Can you give us the years that these things happened so at least we can work on that? That was 1921. Oh, the ones that you guys... Yeah. Oh, the new ones. Because I got one that I think is Leaf-related.

Oh, interesting. Depending on the year. All right. I'll give you the years. What's the next year? So 1950, Don Smith of the New York Rangers scored against Kenny Smith of the Boston Bruins. Okay. Now, don't give us any more.

All right. Do you want the years? Just name the year. So I'll work my way up. 1987. Oh. Because I was going to say, was there a 50s? Another 50s?

No. We're jumping to 1987. I thought it would be Frank Mihaljevic and Peter Mihaljevic. No, I'm wrong. Not on the list. All right. All right, I'll give you all the years, and then you guys have just got to get two. 1987, 1988, 2007, and 2012.

1987 and 88. 2012. Yeah. So you'll get five guesses. Lock in your five guesses. So my instant thought is in the 80s, it's either the Sutter's or the Hunter's. Also, while you guys are thinking, shout out another Leafs fan on Twitter, Curtis, who sent this along. Thank you so much for sliding in my DMs with this.

This is a screenshot from his Instagram, the NHLPR's Instagram, actually. So, yeah, shout out to you, Curtis. Super helpful. 2012. God, that was such a forgettable season for the Leafs. I tried to block it out. That was pre-lockout, right? Yes

The season right before Is that the season They finally dumped Vesa Toskala No I think that happened Before that No that was the season

Where they were They were in a playoff spot And I remember talking about Like oh the Leafs Are going to play the Panthers In the first round And they friggin Lost like every game

Right Was that the first 18-wheeler Yes Yes The previous seasons Were just bad all around Just bad I'm kind of shocked

That it's happened this often I know Like, you'd think it'd be such a rare thing, but... I'm going to say... Quite a few names. Wasn't Cal O'Reilly Ryan O'Reilly's? Damn it. Yes, that is Ryan O'Reilly's brother.

So, I'm going to say 2012, the O'Reillys. That's a good one. That's one guess. I think he might have played before that, though. Hmm. 2007. Didn't the Kostitsyns play for the same team when they joined the league? No, one was Montreal and one was Nashville.

Not when they started. I think they were both Habs. Were they? I think so. Wasn't the whole Grabo beef was they were both Habs, and Grabowski was also a Hab, and they were all Belarusian guys who hated each other? Did they hate each other? Is that why?

Oh, yeah. Really? Well, at the end of it, they all hated each other. Damn it. Dude, I don't know. Yeah, man, I got no idea. You guys don't have any more guesses? And then I'll say the Hunters and the Sutters in the 80s.

Hunters and Sutters, okay. Sure. Sure. All right, so you guys got none of them. Sorry. 1987, Pierre Turgeon scores against Sylvian Turgeon. Against the Leafs, too, wasn't it? No.

It was the Sabres and the Hartford Whalers. Sylvian Turgeon was a Leaf for a long time and was a pretty good defenseman, too. 1988, Kevin Miller scores against Kelly Miller. That's Rangers versus Washington. Boo, have a funnier name. 2007, Colin Stewart of the Atlanta Thrashers scores against Mark Stewart of the Boston Bruins.

S-T-A-U-R-T? S-T-U-A-R-T. Sorry, yeah. I didn't even know they were brothers. Mark Stewart, yeah, brothers. And 2012, Marcus Foligno of the Buffalo Sabres scores against Nick Foligno of the Ottawa Senators. And then 2019, yesterday, Jack Hughes. Nick Foligno was an Ottawa center?

Apparently, yeah. Damn, you should have held on to him. What the hell were they thinking? Can't remember the trade. Didn't work out so good. Ooh, that's rough. Hey, Jason Zucker made a comment after one of the Wild Games last week. And it was a big deal.

They talked about, it was after, it wasn't the Leaf game, but they had a players-only meeting after one of the games, and he said, I think the meeting's just, I think more than a meeting, it's just going to jumpstart us, to be honest with you. It was the loss in Montreal. There it is. So this is the part that really made headlines. Bruce has got to be better.

We've got to be better. Everybody's got to be better. that's it so jason zucker then apologizes later on and apparently the next day went right in and talked to bruce boudreaux and said listen i'm sorry i didn't mean to name you it's just like we all need to be better and apparently nobody nobody really in the organization got that upset about it because they're probably right well yeah however however um my question is with this story um is it possible for the wild to be better because he goes on to say there's no reason for me to use boost bruto's name in the quote in any way that's completely on me my intention

well it's to say that everybody needs to be better and needs to put more weight and 99.9 of that is on the players and that's true yes like i understand he was just going through everybody sure literally everybody but using a coach's name in that context uh context never happens. Tried a thing the last time. Yeah. I can't. But he apologized.

He did. To me, that's not the issue. The issue for me is, is there talent there to do it? And I don't know that there is. There's goaltending there to do it. Which is a great start. And the NHL is goofy enough

that I think a team that is not as talented but is feeling good can make a bit of noise. The Minnesota Wild aren't feeling good. Uh, I hear the locker room's not so fun and it's a lot more than they're just not very good and it's a lot more than, yeah, yeah, it's, they gotta, I maybe say this too often like, oh yeah, the Pittsburgh Penguins need to blow it up.

They obviously don't need to blow it up. And I like, I'm not talking about like trade Sidney Crosby or completely sell off with Minnesota Wild. Uh, that is what I'm saying. Seven players Blow it up 30 plus With two or more years

On their contracts Who are the seven players? Are they any good? Nah Like that's okay If the players are good Stahl Spurgeon

Spurgeon's 29 That contract doesn't kick in Until he's 30 though I don't know Parise Koivu Oh Koivu No he's

Parise Stahl I didn't even notice Stahl against the Leafs That guy's a Leaf killer Sunderer Dubnik Brad Hunt

Their leading scorer. Yeah. Jeez. And then by the end of it, Spurgeon will be 30 by the end of the year. He's 29. Gabriel Dumont will be, he's 29. There you go. Not fun.

Like, the Spurgeon deal is really attractive. If you look at a team like the Leafs. Oh, dude, you better send a blue and white vulture to pick at that carcass. Yeah. Oh, and not to mention Matt Zuccarello. Oh, yeah. And Greg Pateran, who's 29. Yeah.

They're both on IR. Yeah, and a guy that they've tried to get back multiple times. No, interestingly, like you, and I'm not saying the Leafs, but a team like the Leafs would look at a Jared Spurgeon contract. You need a right-handed shot defenseman to complete your lineup. Dumba. Dumba? Please, Dumba.

Yeah, of course. But that's a, the contract Spurgeon signed is pretty attractive, at least for the first three, four years. At seven million bucks, it's not bad. But I'm just saying what Minnesota could do with those names that you mentioned, I don't know that you can move Suter or Parise with the way their contracts are structured

although they did talk about Michael Russo did a thing last year I think he talked to Parise and forgive me if I'm quoting this to the wrong author but Parise did say I do want to win the cup and I'm starting to hope I want it to happen here but I'm starting to think

that maybe there's a possibility I might get moved Can I give you a theory on Parise? He's going to retire within the next two years and that contract is going to be gone It's 7.5 until he's 40. And he makes the majority now, right? He's going to start to make like a million bucks a year.

But there is cap recapture on that, is there not? Yeah, is he over 35? He's 35 right now. And he has one, two, three, four, five years beyond this year. Yeah, no, they're boned. They're boned. There's cap recapture on that. There has to be, isn't there?

I don't know how that works. I'm pretty sure. Pretty sure because he's 35. No, but that's only if you sign the contract at 35. Yeah, but it's for his years of 35 and up That's a good question Yeah, I wonder Because the Luongo thing is what's sticking out of my mind

You know, those wonky deals that were signed before this latest lockout Well, and he signed his deal before he was 35 Yeah And Vancouver is still paying for it, right? And Florida And Florida So Minnesota doesn't even have a team to dance with It's just them

Yeah, so no team is going to take that No, they're just fucked. They're just... But then you have valuable guys where if you could... Luchich. Huh? Luchich.

What about... Breezy for Luchich. Be kind of cool to see. Oh my God. I would love to see... Minnesota has the assets there. And Bill Guerin, I guess the people...

Elliot Friedman said last night, people are calling. Bill Guerin's not going to make an emotional move. But I think that maybe with the assets that you have, You build around Dumba, and you start to offload the vet guys. And yeah, you're boned on the Parise-Suter thing.

It is what it is. You've got what you've got. There's nothing that Bill Guerin can do about that. However, there are guys on that team that have pretty significant value. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying, man. Imagine the team doesn't take off. Imagine that you give the Flames an opportunity to get a guy like Devin Dubnik.

You know what I mean? A team that's got question marks in goal. There are really good teams. Imagine the New York Islanders have an opportunity to get Devin Dubnick. After they just signed Varlamov. No, I'm with you on the Flames one. That's interesting. The Islanders haven't been that bad either.

And then you go, screw it. We're going to go with the tandem of Cam Talbot and Alex Staloc. Let's really get this thing. Columbus has nothing. What if New Jersey has an opportunity to get a Devin Dubnick? They should probably do something, right? Like, I know you shouldn't make... Yes, I said that last episode!

Go in, do it, go! I know you shouldn't make emotional moves. Maybe they should make an emotional move. That's not an emotional move. That's pragmatic. That's a we-don't-have-a-goalie-who-can-stop-pucks move. Is nine games in too soon? Nah.

Not now. Not the way they're playing. Nine games in is too soon if you had any evidence from last season that suggests these guys stop pucks. Okay. They don't stop pucks. And they need one or two. They got the crown for best offseason and still don't have a goalie.

They got a shutout last game, to be fair. To be fair. One goal. Yeah. They scored a goal. We're talking about the goaltending situation here. To be fair. You know who else I think is going to be on the move and some team is going to be super smart and pick them up for not as much as they should?

Craig Anderson in Ottawa. Someone unfollowed me when I suggested that last year. Someone unfollowed you when you suggested Did they actually say that I'm unfollowing you Yeah they got mad at me And I was like I don't understand Were they a fan?

Or like a writer or like an immediate person I don't want to talk about it Craig Anderson is a valuable asset to Ottawa Why wouldn't they And he's like 30 million years old He's not great No but he's good He's there

Like he's an option I'd be curious to see what Craig Anderson, who for a long period of time was the king of pulling a rabbit out of his hat. Like, and just coming up with like a 50-save frigging, there was a game, well, this was years and years ago, but I still remember him with the Avalanche, a team that had no business beating the Sharks. And he stands on his head for like 50 saves. That was a long time ago, but he still will do that every now and then. I'd be curious to see what, what did you say, 500-year-old Craig Anderson looks like.

He's like 38. He looks behind a good team. He just makes a lot of money, that's the problem. There's no reason to keep him on your roster. He's not signed beyond this year, probably won't play beyond next year. For the Sens, yeah. If somebody wants to give you something for Craig Anderson, you say, screw it. Sure.

And you trade him away. If you're the Flames, you give them Mike Smith and whatever the good draft picks. No, no. Smith is on the Oilers now. Oh, right. You mean Talbot? Yeah. They switched goalies.

Yeah, sorry. That's what I mean. Sorry, my bad. And Koskinen's actually been good for the Oilers. There's something there. There is. And I think with Anderson, it's like, you know, Ottawa retains half. It's the last year of his deal anyway.

Who cares? And even if you wait until January, like, the cap hit against the team who acquires him is going to be like $2 million. You slowly transition Nilsson in there. So, like, you're not, the team's not naked. You're not in a position where, like, oh, we've got to get Nemes to come. But you get, like, a Cam Talbot back. You get a guy. Yeah.

Or any prospect, any pick, anything. What I'm saying is you need a Nemesnikov player to kind of fill a spot. Some journeyman from the minors. Sure, yeah. Just a guy who can play NHL minutes consistently. Yeah, just because you don't want to throw a rookie in there as a goal. Exactly. Yeah.

But I also wonder with the Rangers, who've had a really slow start. They've only played six games. They're one of the least amount of games played in the NHL. Compare that to Dallas that's played ten. The Leafs have played nine. The Rangers have somehow only played six. so have the Flyers which is arguably

why they're both sitting at the bottom of their division with four and five points each I know Henrik's not going anywhere but

how many years ago we were how many studios ago was I suggesting that but three studios ago does Henrik Lundqvist and this is a question

I don't know and I'm sure Ranger fans could probably answer it passionately four studios ago actually sorry Henrik Lundqvist at what point

does he say he's got to ask the question what's more important one or two more shots at the cup or being a Ranger your entire career I don't know what that answer is for him but at a certain point he's going to have to answer that question in his own mind

and he's going to have to live with that if the Rangers become good in the next couple years there's a pretty good chance he won't be around for it and he might be the reason they become good if they're good this year at all I think with everything the Rangers have done you hold out hope

That it's there There's so many good moves Like they're doing such great stuff I think you hold out hope that it's there I love when a player Spends their whole career somewhere Unless it seems like a waste of time Well it seems to him that it matters

But I just wonder at this point in your career Kind of like Ray Bork in Boston Do you kind of go okay I do want one more shot I just want to go for it And I look at that I look at a guy like him And what he could bring back for the Rangers, not just because Henrik Lundqvist is the player

that he was five years ago, because I don't think he is, but he's still quite good. Still pretty good. I think that there's a name value there, too, and the Rangers would win big on a trade like that. Like, that is a perfect trade for the Rangers that if they had the right goalie to step in, they're over the top. If not this year, then 100% to start next year. They've started slow, but whatever.

I think he stays. You think he stays? Yeah, if I had to put money on it, he'll stay. For his entire career? Yeah. The other guy I'm curious about is Jimmy Howard, goaltending-wise. And if Steve Eisenman calls you, you obviously slam the phone down. You do not accept trades from Steve Eisenman.

But somebody will be desperate enough, it may even be Florida, to get a goalie who can stop a puck. And there are enough good teams. There are enough good teams. New Jersey should be good. Calgary should be better. Who knows what's going to happen with the Islanders situation Washington's had a couple

Walkie starts Bless you Jesse Dallas is 2-7-1 They need a goalie Call up all the Should be emotional teams Also sorry I was going to say something earlier Bill Guerin's not going to make an emotional move

Are we sure about that? You see the Penguins last year? He was with them They made an emotional move after winning the cup Maybe he doesn't want to make the same mistakes that Pence did. However, by doing nothing, I think, in Minnesota, you are making a mistake. And that doesn't mean that he needs to make it now. But I think it's time.

I think we know enough now, Minnesota didn't make the playoffs last year, that I think it might be time where you go, okay, it's time to retool. Not necessarily tear it down and rebuild, but take the opportunity now, while some of these guys still have value, and parlay that. You do bring up a funny point, though, because Minnesota made a ton of moves last year. What do they always tell a kid? If you get lost at the mall, stay where you are.

Stay where you are. And the Wild got lost at the mall and checked every store. Yes. Paul Fenton, though, yeah. It was bad. It was bad. It was bad. And I think maybe that's why Bill Guerin doesn't want to make moves

because Paul Fenton, that's all he did. Here's a philosophy. Make good hockey traits. Yeah, just make good traits. Every decision they made was bad. Who's that last goalie you suggested? Jimmy Howard from Toronto. Jimmy Howard.

And again, not an all-star. Or was at one point, I think. Good. Good. Just good. Even if you were the Leafs, Jimmy Howard would sure look good. You can't fit him under the cap right now. I was about to say, what is his contract situation?

I'm dying to see what they do with it. The plan can't actually be to have 17 players. Well, 18. No, like there might be some nights where they have to go shorthanded. No, but like I said, there's the exception where you squeeze in the 18. That's okay though, why not? What's the big deal? The big deal is if you get hurt on the road, you're fucked

Okay, well you do it at home How would they? Planes don't exist, Adam Okay, what happens if the game's in Winnipeg? All I am saying is They don't have any Wi-Fi there So I couldn't even text you to find out if I can get a new player I think we're going to see that situation resolve itself They're too smart for that

Dubas has some more tricks up his sleeve I think so too, Jesse I'm with you I think that the Leafs will sort that out, but I do think the Leafs are going to be on the hunt for a cheap backup. And I think towards the end of the season, as we get closer and closer, and the cap space allowable for the Leafs to take on a thing gets bigger, I think that you're going to see a move for, like, if a Jimmy Howard,

or if a Darcy Kemper, no, not Darcy Kemper, excuse me, Devin Dubnik, Darcy Kemper's a good goalie and is starting all the time. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. No, I just remember when he was with Minnesota and being like, this guy sucks. Yeah, and now he's being anti-Ranta. There's another team where you could be like, anti-Ranta. The Jimmy Howard situation is interesting because they also have Bernier who could just step in and be their,

hey, we're trying to lose games anyways kind of guy. Yes. So Jimmy Howard is definitely expendable. And that $4 million, you'd probably want them to retain unless it's late in the season where you're only paying. Oh, Jimmy Howard? Yeah. Oh, that contract was signed with the intent of trading him. Yeah.

In my opinion. A million years. Wasn't it signed a million years ago, too? No, we all thought he was going to get traded last deadline, and then he didn't and signed an extension. Yeah, the one year. So, like, here's the thing with Howard. As Detroit's gotten worse, obviously his numbers have, too.

Well, yeah. But as recently as 16-17, which is eons ago now, he had a 927 save percentage. Again, there's... But he was even last season. It was a 9-0-9. He had a 9-10 the season before. Right now, it's 8-9-8.

He's a bit of a mystery box like Craig Anderson, where you go, okay, here's a once-good goalie that is both degrading with time, or sorry, regressing with time, but also plays for a continually getting shitty team. Yes. And he could be, this is a guy that's been there. He went to the Stanley Cup Finals. like he he played

was he the goalie? nah 0-9-10 wasn't it? no that's Chicago 0-8-0-9? no 0-8-0-9 he wasn't but 0-9-10

he still played 12 games in the playoffs he's he's been a good goalie yes and he's gone deep there's one season

12-13 where he went he played 14 games in the playoffs that's deeper than the Leafs that's more games than the Leafs have played

in the playoffs in the last two years if you're a playoff team you have a starter yeah You know what I mean? So can you be a backup and give me 9-10? Can you come in and give me a chance to win games where my backup needs to play?

That's all you need to do. Yeah. So I wonder, there are going to be teams looking for starters. That's a cheap option. Although, Eisenman probably wouldn't make it easy. Has the ship sailed on Michael Hutchison? That doesn't seem to be the consensus. This week will be interesting.

Yes. The ship either docks or sails this week. We're throwing down the anchor. He plays two games. We're going to know. And they're tough games. It's not like Jonas Enroth, where we were like, who's the backup again? Like, I forgot.

Hutch is going to get a chance to be in six games this month and start five of them. And Enroth let, like, seven goals in, and then six goals in, and then seven more goals. Like, it was bad. Enroth was in the famous, or at least famous, only for people who watch my LFRs, he was in the hockey demons game he was in the game where the the game previous because matthews i believe hadn't scored since his four goal game he was on like a seven game goal this streak and i go listen hockey demons here's the deal i'm making with you allow matthews to score one maybe even two goals i don't care if the leafs lose the game matthews scores two goals leafs

get a 3-0 lead with Enroth and Nett, they lose the game. The Devils came back from a 3-0 deficit to beat Jonas Enroth and the Leafs. Enroth also made an appearance in the Vancouver line brawl. Because Freddie got kicked out because he tried to fight Ryan Millick. Question to go along with that then.

I missed that. Does the Nick Patan, maybe Cody Cece, something, whatever Nick Patan deal is, Does that now look for a backup goal? Yeah. Instead of... I'm trying to find solutions. If you need to make the salaries work,

CeCe's making four and a half, Jimmy Howard makes four. Yeah. Oh, Adam. I'm not saying... They need Adam. Do you run with like Marin, Shannon, Hall, and Dermott and they're just the core you have?

Listen, you're asking questions and I like it. I think what happens too by the end of the season, we're going to see the... I feel like if Sandin and Lilligren and have a really strong start with the Marlies. Sandin scored just actually a few minutes ago, as we're recording this. Oh, really?

If those two have a season like they did last year, again this year, wouldn't shock me if by the end of the season they're getting the Travis Dermott, we'll play you for 30 games treatment, just to see what we have. And imagine they're the bottom pairing going into the playoffs with Hall and Marincin

subbing in when needed. That's not bad. And then the CC deal is for another piece that you need, because that hole's been plugged. Yeah, and with the cap, like, there's all sorts of decisions that need to be made, like, around the league. Like, Florida is supposedly about to sign Brian Boyle. They did. Oh, they did?

Confirmed, yeah. Okay. And part of me is like, was that the plan all along? Like, hey, we want to sign you, but we're going to sign you in October. Yeah, give us a couple weeks. Yeah, I don't know. I think there is, I think the value in Cody Cece, by the way, is the fact that his contract ends. You send him to a team that's clearly in the rebuild stage, and it's a salary thing.

It's Cody Cece, but Cody Cece's not the piece. He's just salary to make the salaries work. What is a bigger priority for the team? To get a player who is not named Cody Cece or to get a backup? They need a backup. Dude, I think you're right. They need a backup. There you go.

I look at Boston and what they did last year. It was brilliant. It was. It was brilliant. Well, and that they were able to afford paying, their backup was two and a half million bucks. But Tuka Rask was fresh as a daisy when the playoffs came. And if he were to go down during that playoff run, they had a shot. Halak's not terrible. Well, you said it earlier. You said, what's the difference between Hall and CeCe? Truly.

What is the actual difference? I don't think it's much. So if it's not, and it really doesn't negatively affect the team, and Travis Dermott's coming back anyway, boy, it sure makes a lot of sense to pull somebody off. Like, you know, I wouldn't even be—the Leafs in Ottawa make a surprising amount of trades. They're not giving CeCe back. Well, what if it's CeCe? It wouldn't be CeCe plus, but— I would shit myself. Live on the podcast.

CeCe Zaitsev. I would shit myself live on the—it would get five times the viewers of the—I'd shit myself while eating a pepper. I think my point in this is you have to remember an SEC trade is not the centerpiece. In Pornhub.com arena. Bang bros get it right, sir. I don't know, man. I just think it would be very, very interesting to see what the Leafs could do. They're going to have to do, after this week, we will know.

Next week at this time, we will be saying, wow, Michael Hutchinson really turned it around. Or, wow, have they got to do something. Next Sunday's podcast is going to be a fun one. Yeah. We're going to get a lot of answers. And Wednesdays, they're going to be very anxious. Oh, yeah. Well, I think it'll be anxious anyway.

But it might be depressing anxious or happy anxious. I'm not sure. If they beat the Blue Jackets, we go in fat and happy. We're like, ah, we'll probably lose tonight, whatever. They lose the Columbus. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's a problem. That could be a real problem.

Matt Barzal's extension is interesting because it's already come up. Now, you got one? No. Oh. He sure did this week. Seven years, 50-something million. That deal is going to be fantastic. Yeah, and it's funny because people were ripping it.

I'm like, ooh, ooh, I think you need to watch more Nico Hescher. But interesting with Barzal is he's had better numbers in his first two years than Marner has. Than Marner did. Yep. Yep. Yep. Playmaking. And obviously, of course, the Islanders want to get on this.

Yep. Apparently the talks haven't started yet but are due to. Does Matt Barzal beat Mitch Marner in the money? Now, people are like, wait a second. Lou Lammarello would never do that. If Lou Lammarello was the general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, William Newlander would have been traded, Marner would still be sitting, and the Leafs would win.

The problem is that when Lou Lammarello signs contracts, he always says, too long, too much. And yet, who did he sign? Steve Simmons, sweet. Marleau? Mm-hmm. Zaitsev? Zaitsev.

Matt Martin? Martin Komarov? I love Komarov, but good lord. Good lord above. If Barzal is your number one center For the rest of the Islanders Tenure in whatever arena They're in

Then you have to pay him like a number one center In 2020 In 2020 exactly It's so fascinating to see Everyone say oh if Lou Mitch Marner this deal is crazy especially from Islanders fans And then they're going to go and they're going to hand out This contract to Barzal that's going to be

For 8 years and 200 million You know what If he gets Tavares Marner money He's worth it Yeah But they're paying him what he's worth What's Lou gonna do

And I know it's a catchy headline but really People are like well Lou Lamorello he's tough on RFAs What is he actually going to do Like what Leverage do the Islanders really have In the Barzal situation I want to see them try and pay him 6 million dollars Like

They're like, oh, if Lou was there, Marner would make him five and a half and he'd be signed forever. It's like, okay, let's see what happens with Barzal. Because he's going to get his money that he deserves. And if he signs for less, that's on him. Matt Barzal, if you're listening, you're worth it. Go for it. Oh, are we doing this now?

Are we going to Brad Marchand tweeting about Marner making $12 million? Is that us? Look what we've become! No, but in all honesty, he is. He is worth it. And they don't have really a leg to stand on. Okay, so don't sign Matt Barzell. How's that going to work out for you?

It's going to go poorly. It's going to go poorly, and Islander fans will lose their fucking minds. As they should. Yes. So in his particular case, like I get it with Nylander. Nylander was like the fourth best player on the team. Barzell's the best player on the team and is the best, best, best player they're going to have going forward. There's no, there is no negotiation.

It's what do you want? Exactly. RFA or not, what the hell do you want? Uh, Mike Stevens, I think had the most, I want to say it was Mike Stevens had the most underrated tweet of the day because Steve Simmons, when he was talking about the, um, contract length being too long, one of the names he brought up was Pascal Siakam, who only signed for four years. Yeah.

He signed a pretty nice deal. And Mike Stevens is like, ah, yeah, Siakam, who signed for as many years as Ross Johnston. And the reason you guys didn't laugh is you don't know who that is. Yeah, no. Well, he's someone who Lou signed a four year. Go look up Ross Johnston On the Leafs No on the Islanders

Oh on the Islanders I don't even know Who Ross Johnston is He's big That's what I know About Ross Johnston But would Mark Hunter Be a great GM

That's the real question Yeah So great That he's Currently Back in junior Like I said he would be And dude

Like Pursue happiness That's where he's happy No I'm just saying Cause Steve Simmons Is literally Oh The guy

I think actually was Jeff Fayette that tweeted me about something and he was saying that like of all the articles written about and I

forgive me Jeff for this because I don't remember exactly what you said but it was something like of all the articles favorably talking

about him as a potential GM like 80% of them came from Steve Simmons because they'll talk they're obviously friends Jeff doesn't

miss much Ross Johnston by the way making a million dollars for the next three years and he is 25 from Charlottetown

PEI what does he do Oh, that's why I remember him. He shoots left, left wing. He's undrafted. Hey. 6'5", 235. Big boy.

Big guy. Big. He currently has played three games this season. Oh, dear. Five penalty minutes. Does he hurt? Zero points. Zero goals.

What did he have last year? 17 last year. Last year, 23 penalty minutes, four points, 17 games. And what about the year before that, Jesse? 62 penalty minutes, 6 points. How many games? 24 games. Why does a player get a million dollars if they played 7 games?

For the Bridgeport Sound Tigers in 17-18 in the NHL, 38 games, 113 penalty minutes. You know, God loves Scott Saverin for making the NHL. The Sens are going to offer him 4 years. Why would you get 4? Why? Lou. Hey Ross, here's league men Take it or leave it League men for four years would still be too much

No, I wouldn't give him four years Here's league men And maybe you get to It's a two way deal You're going to make 70 or 80 in the A And then you're going to make Whatever league men is Don't they have Matt Martin?

Yes! Who was also signed in four years Lou! It's Lou But he never signs long deals. His deal expires at the end of the season, though. Matt Martin's. When we're old, and we're still doing this show, guys.

When we're 76 and doing this show. Because this show is going to go on forever in my mind. But I do think so. But when we're older, are we going to be the kinds of guys that look at younger general managers in the NHL the same way those old guys look at young general managers now? I really hope not. I hope not, too. Can we make a promise that we don't become that?

Because it's really annoying. Oh, boy. I hope not. Like, where we somehow have detached results from reality. Dubas would be better if he wasn't on his phone all the time. I hope once we get to that point, we're retired. I plan on being retired. If I get to that point, I should be retired.

Right. But, I mean, Steve Simmons is not retirement age. That's true. Steve Simmons is in, like, what is he, mid-40s? Yeah. Whatever he is, it doesn't matter. He's not retirement age And it's not just him

There's a whole bunch of guys While we're still working While we're in our 40s and 50s and 60s And we're still doing this show Whatever platform it's on If platforms even exist It's on the moon It's projected on the moon

It's on the projector on the moon You couldn't fit Steve Ante's face on the moon Yeah, maybe Our heads are far too big to be projected on the moon together There's a lot of craters there You could fit in one of them Work for my acne scars On Sportsnet Space

SpaceNet TSN 1050 space Get it right We're still making passive-aggressive comments About the two largest telecom companies In the universe now Because we discovered Turns out, we are the only ones

Take that, atheists Take that We find out we're the only ones Take that My elementary school music teacher was right I did not expect this podcast to go there I'm just talking shit I'm just

Take that, atheists Take that, atheists Not a group that needs to be attacked There isn't life anywhere else They're pretty Bill Maher Yeah You hear that?

Listen The dinosaurs are a hoax And the earth is 5,000 years old And also we're the only ones in the universe Where were we going? We are going to this story We're moving on We're moving on from Barzal

I'm going to read you a story from the Associated Press I'm not going to listen You're not? No, I'll listen It was tweeted out this week, I don't know how anyone found it But it is from March 14th, 1996 March 14th, 1996 Two days after my 8th birthday

8 year old Steve Dangle, I would have been 7 You were still 7 Jesse, how old would you have been in 1996? 96 would have been one month Wow, you were 96 No, what month? Oh, March. March?

I wouldn't have turned four. I would have been three. Okay, that's better. Three-year-old Jesse. Really shitty. Still six feet tall. Yep. Yes.

Oh, hopefully not. And beautiful facial hair. Reaching down to dunk into a Fisher-Price net. Just gently placing the ball in the net. Staring fly balls already. Yeah. Jesse's a great baseball player, in case you didn't know that. Anyway.

For the This is March 14th 1996 Remember CFL Professional League Yes Canadian Football League The lead

The lead line is For the second time In a year A CFL club Has drafted a dead player Oh I saw this What? The Montreal Alouettes

Selected defensive end James Eggink Of Northern Illinois In the fifth round Of the league's Canadian college draft On Thursday Only to learn

A few hours later That the player Had died of cancer Last December Oh my god. The Ottawa Rough Riders. This is three Ottawa teams ago. And not the Saskatchewan.

Not the Saskatchewan Rough Riders. Because the Rough Riders for Saskatchewan are one word. The Ottawa Rough Riders were two word. Oh my god. Anyway, the Ottawa Rough Riders. God, you have a dozen team league. The Ottawa Rough Riders selected defensive end Daryl Robertson in the Las Vegas Posse dispersal draft. Because that was the Las Vegas CFL team, by the way.

The Las Vegas Posse. Can you imagine a CFL road trip between Montreal and Vegas? Yeah. So the Ottawa Roughriders selected defensive end Darryl Robertson in the Las Vegas Posse dispersal draft. By the way, Vegas came in, and I think Baltimore came in as well. Baltimore won the Grey Cup. Twice in a row. Vegas Posse dispersal draft, April 18th.

Robertson had died December 5th, 1994. so he had died almost five months before that in a car crash insane god where did

where did you find this uh it was tweeted out this week it's from the AP and CFL spokesperson Jim Nish said the league

didn't learn of Eggink the first guy who died Eggink's draft or death until after the draft it's an unfortunate situation

but unfortunately neither us nor the club were aware that this had happened even the school wasn't aware what

alouette officials were informed of egging's death after a football coach at concordia university was looking over the team selections and noticed his name he called the alouette's officials who then notified the cfl alouette's owner jim spiros said that he had called the egging family to apologize he said i'm a little upset and super embarrassed as an owner no doubt i'm not making excuses but the difference between this and the las vegas draft is there are 500 560 names on this list so yeah the dispersal draft is when a team contracts right there's like you know 60 players but there's 560 names the research process can be very difficult it's not as easy as people think i think as a league we have to hire more people because um cfl vice

president of football operations ed chalupa sorry is overworked and underpaid what happened last year with the vegas situation that's inexcusable if that happens again then yes the media should rip us up, but there were a lot more names on this list. And that's the end of the article. Goodness. That's terrible. Unbelievable. I just thought it was a crazy story.

Does that happen before the MLB draft that has 46 rounds? Do you call a player up and they go, hello? And you go, ah, good. And you hang up? Just checking to make sure they're still kicking? Oh my god. Well, you would think if you're going to draft

the guy, even in the fifth round, you probably want to have a conversation with him. It's something beforehand, right? Or have seen him. The 90s. Good shit. Yeah, crazy. It's crazy that that was just 25 years ago and that sort of thing went on. Man. Yeah.

You know what we're starting to get is movies from like the 90s and the 80s that like look old and are made to look old on purpose. And I'm like, oh, I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's do the press conference. Yeah. Hey, by the way, Easter Seals, we'd love you to help us out.

Steve, thank you for shouting it out in the video. I'm up around like 869 because someone has a great sense of humor. I think you passed 900. Did I? Yeah, yeah. I looked it up before the show. Something wild happened last night. Did you see it?

So can we talk about that? Yes. I did. I'm at 959. I think Marner scores the overtime winner. He did not. But he took the shot and bounced off Riley's leg in it. So I was feeling good.

I said, listen, I'll give you a shout out. in the LFR if you donate $16 or more. And a lot of people took it upon themselves to do that, and they went, no, Riley scored, and so they made it 44. Someone donated $69.69. Someone donated $100. Where was, here, let me look it up. One of the most recent donations.

I need to find. Yeah, the second most recent donation. Ryan Burch likes Jesse Blake more. He gave you $100. Nice, wow. He gave Adam $69.69. Nice. Thanks, buddy.

And he gave me $2.50, so he likes me the most. There you go. That's probably fair. No. Where is it? Yes. Nick Gould, who had already previously donated $2,000 to me, donated $1,542.17 to bring me to exactly $30,000.

Wow. And that's just me. Wow. Wow. Rachel's Raiders are sitting at, we're just shy of $36,000. We're at $35,912.52. Our goal is $50,000. We are 72% of the way there.

That's amazing. So hot diggity damn. Are you going to put the link in the description? I can definitely do that. Just do yours so that you have an unfair advantage. I'm definitely going to need some help because my number is a little ambitious. I did start late. 69, 69, 69.

Can we get a push on? Can I steal the stage? I need a bit of a push. I'll throw your link in the bio, in the description. I need a bit of a push. Let's get Adam to triple nice. We need triple nice. That's what they should call our line, too, the triple nice line.

I don't think anyone who's ever seen us play would call us that. That's true. Probably not. Yeah. Probably not. What do we have for the press conference, Jesse? We're good. We are.

Two hours in. Let me just quickly mention something. Yes. We talked about it on Virgin Radio on Friday. You can see the video up on the thing. But just one thing, quickly. If you don't do this, please check your credit card statements every month. This sounds ridiculous, but there's a reason behind this.

So my mom, obviously, is a notable person in Canada. And she, along with Wayne Gretzky, Mike Holmes from the Make It Right renovation shows, and several others. Ron McLean. Ron McLean was involved. Were involved in a scam last year. And it was a company out of San Diego called Ads Inc. And they were sort of the shadowy company that essentially would buy a bunch of ads on Facebook. Because Facebook, quite frankly, does not give a shit who they accept money from.

Not at all. If you saw Mark Zuckerberg's stuff from Friday, he believes politicians should absolutely be allowed to lie on Facebook. Yeah. Very, very quick side note. We got to have a larger conversation as a society about deleting the fucking thing. It's evil and it's shit. I don't know if I'm...

Am I allowed to have Instagram without Facebook? That's the problem. Yes. You can have Instagram without Facebook. I think my swipe up, I think that would be terrible. You'll have trouble if you're a business and you want to. So that's my issue. Yeah, since you guys are media, we're all media people, we'll have trouble with that.

But as regular people, you can get rid of Facebook. Yeah, we really need to look at abandoning Facebook and, by extension, Instagram. Seriously. And we'll talk about a little bit more of that in a second. But what happened was that you would see these ads come up. And let's say it's Wayne Gretzky. And you'd see Wayne Gretzky's face. And it's obviously a picture that's tabloidy.

So it's him going. Yeah, yeah. It could be him making a joke, but it looks like he's angry. He looks pained, mid-sentence. The headline would be something like, Wayne Gretzky fires back at the NHL over these pills. And it would be Wayne Gretzky endorsing ED pills, like erectile dysfunction pills. They did it with Mike Holmes as well. And with my mom, they kept saying that she was retiring.

So they would say, Marilyn Dennis retiring. What's she going to do now? And what was the picture? Well, I'll get to that too. Sure. So, so my mother is, uh, my mother is by broadcasting standards old and not, and not in a, not in a sense that like she's, she's, she acts old, looks old, whatever in broadcasting. There's very few people at her age over, over the threshold that she's at.

She's been in broadcasting your entire life. Yeah. She's been on the air since 1972. Wow. Like it. So, so like, and, and that's not, I'm sorry, that's not an insult, but that's just the reality of it. Yeah.

So in this particular instance, at this point, especially for women in the business, and my mother, God bless her, and this is all going to go into the book one day when I write a book. But my mother got paid less for more work. My mother was told to shut up. Nobody wants to hear the woman speak. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. You wouldn't believe some of the things that happened. And she'll probably write about it one day, too.

and now she's finally at the stage where the the equality movement now is so front and center she's at the tail tail end of a very very successful career and now this asshole company comes out and goes she's retiring and you know what you know what pisses me off about this the most not the fact that she's earned it this isn't some family tragedy or whatever it's that they went out and hurt someone's career to rip off people who don't know better they targeted people over the age of 50 and the reason that they targeted people over the age of 50 is because people over the age of 50 don't know the internet like we do they're not internet literate so they look at that and they go i've watched maryland dennis for 30 years i'm gonna click that link

and what it would do was it would bring you to a page where you could buy the maryland dennis beauty products so interestingly this is where it gets crazy right so bear with me on this i apologize no no it's a ridiculous story so if i'm buying the steve dangle beauty care line which i'm sure is fabulous um i it's just grease it's it's they say well you know maryland's doing this thing and here's the link to it and by the way it's only 14 bucks to start like the introductory rates like 14 bucks and then you can get to test the samples out and then if you really like them you can continue sure but what this company would do is they wouldn't have an introductory rate they would charge you the $14, and then later

that month, you get a charge for $200 on your card. And every month after that... It must be a really good product, though. The product's never arrived. So they literally just steal your money. There is no product. As soon as you register your credit card, they start charging you. And here's the fun part. There's no way to cancel,

because there's no company. There's nobody to call. You know when you have a subscription service, like those boxes that Mrs. Dangle and Caprice get from whatever that company is. Was it BarkBox? Yeah, the bar box. I know what you're talking about.

Yeah, there was like the, you know, it's the health and beauty one or whatever. Which, by the way, it's the Gwyneth Paltrow one. My wife had it. The Goop one? It's not, is it the Gwyneth Paltrow one? No, it's Kate Hudson or something. I don't think it's Gwyneth Paltrow. No, it's not Gwyneth Paltrow.

I don't think it'd be Goop. No, we couldn't afford that. No. But they would charge these people. So beyond the fact that you've now targeted somebody who's definitely at a disadvantage on the internet because they didn't grow up with it. Yeah. Yeah.

you've also now charged their credit card and their ability to check the credit card, like anybody's ability to check the credit card is about the same. However, easier to check it on the internet. And if you're not internet literate, like the way we are, then you're not going to check it as much. And most people just don't. We're talking about people who check their credit card statements either over the phone or at the bank.

Yes. Or they get it in the mail. So they'd go, wow, I owe X amount per month and they pay it and that's it. And so this company, they found out, and this is a BuzzFeed news piece. They did incredible investigative reporting. It was up on the screen. This company spent $50 million in ads. $50 million.

They spent that in ads. Think about that. You could have done anything with that money. No, no, no. But think about that. How much money would they had to have made to justify spending $50 million in ads? That's the part that gets me. It was entirely on Facebook.

The $50 million went right to Facebook. Do you know how many ads you can buy on Facebook for $50 million? Yep. And Facebook took it all. Oh, yeah. Like, do they have to give it back now? No, no. No.

So here's the part of the article that got me and made me mad. Again, this is not some tragedy. This is a PSA. No, no. This is good. In 2018, Asher Burke, the founder and CEO of AdSync, this is this company, was contacted by an employee who told him that they had come up with a new combination

of ad, product, and celebrity that was performing well in Canada. That person was my mother. So here's what it says. It's this Canadian woman, Marilyn Dennis. She's fucking fire, LOL. Had never heard of her before, wrote the employee. He then praised an Ads Inc. employee

based in the Toronto area for helping them come up with Canadian angles that caused people to sign up. And then this Burt guy, the CEO, says, scamming her own peeps a god bless her and they did this in eight different countries in at least five different languages dude so please you're you grew up and your parents had to monitor your internet to make sure that you weren't being crept on by fucking weirdos and and not looking at the wrong thing looking at porn or whatever else it is it is now your turn

to monitor your parents because the internet has grown so fast we don't realize it because we live it every day you listen to this show, you're on the internet and you're listening to a show that literally exists on the internet but your parents don't do that they don't know

I was talking to my mom after this article and she was like, oh that's why I don't buy anything online and all that and I used to tell her it's a different world everything's going online give it a shot She's not comfortable with it

I go okay don't Do not use the shit If you are not comfortable with it Yeah man It's a terrifying world That you have people out there Who like How many crimes is that Adam?

Fraud They're photoshopping pictures That got my attention So when my mom went on A little press tour in Canada To say guys I'm not retiring And don't buy these products I can't believe she had to fucking do that

They took her shot from CTV News Put it on the internet and said You won't believe what happened to Marilyn Dennis Like to taunt her And they photoshopped a black eye on her And so again to get people in They should be in fucking prison They won't be though they're gone

They've already fooled the company it's gone They're going to be fine They've made their money they're walking away And they're in the states You can't get them here They're not going to be fine They're going to be fine A person like that you think they'll last long

Yes, I think they'll be fine. I think they'll be just fine, to be honest with you, and that's the frustrating part. I can't tell you if there's a heaven, but I hope there's a hell. Holy shit. Well, and relative to what's happened in the world recently, this is a small thing. But I just don't want your parents and your grandparents and your aunts and uncles to get ripped off. It's bullshit. And people in the hallways here where we work used to come up to my mom and go, what the hell?

like your booty my mom ordered your beauty products and these are grown-ass people these are boomers whose parents had ordered them and she'd say didn't you hear didn't you see she's like i've been on do you not listen to my radio show my television whatever all the other shows i went on you missed that and people still missed it because you can't hit everyone in a television thing so there are people out there that still believe she's retiring there are people out there that still believe those beauty products are coming or that mike holmes or wayne gretzky's ed pills are coming and it's unfortunate but you gotta watch that shit and and it's going to be more and more prevalent because it was so damn easy like i said they spent 50 million dollars

which means if you spend let's say your marketing budget for this company is 10 percent that means you've made 500 million right even if it's 50 you've still made 100 million so that's what i'm saying that's all i wanted to say and the balls the fucking balls to not just do it but then be like nana boo-boo yeah with yeah and facebook i hope there's a hell so bad facebook's facebook's becoming a real problem and i don't i'm all for freedom of speech i'm all for for but i don't think facebook stands for that and i know and i don't believe that facebook has facebook has a duty based on how big they are to society to do what's best and they don't care that site's long gone. Long gone. Now, it's

also debt. A lot of people in our generation aren't even on it anymore. Yeah. That's why they bought $50 million of ads on Facebook. Because it's for older generations. It's predatory. That's why they bought out Instagram. So they can get the next generation. And what will they buy out next? Because they have all this money. After all, some fucking company that doesn't

even exist is able to give them $50 million. And they don't even recognize it. It's like when they said... I'd love to know where the $50 million came from, too. They denied the Russian trolls thing and then were like, oh, internal investigation. Oh, yeah. So that did happen. crazy yeah well and then they go yeah that didn't happen well and then they

got fined by the government and fine didn't even make it dead yeah what was it a million bucks nothing drop in the bucket whatever even if it was even if it was a billion dollars it wouldn't make it then yeah and like like we make money off Instagram I use Instagram we really need to look at just fuck this

company fuck this company into the earth I don't think that people care enough it's the weirdest thing yeah nothing is outraging people nothing because everything is

outraging people so nothing outrages people people are going through their everyday lives and like something like that comes up and they're like I have to go home

and cook dinner for my kids yeah or it ain't me right or this isn't affecting me so I don't care 10 years ago that would have been

the most disgusting thing I had read that day yeah and then you sent it to me and I think that was number 6 and it involved someone I know

yeah you know like You keep scrolling, and there's something else. Oh, yeah. So, anyway, just a heads up. Monitor your parents. Have the conversation with them.

It's a bit weird, and they probably won't always love the fact that you're lecturing them on this shit. But, honestly, it's worth it. Just, ah, especially retired people. They're on a fixed income. Like, that sucks. Don't be afraid to be like, Mom, Dad, what are the odds you know more about this than I do? Let me help you. Help me help you.

And with that, we will end the show. Yep. Love you guys. Thank you so much. thank you for giving me the time guys to talk about that I appreciate that

I try to keep the interruptions to a minimum and Wednesday we will see you didn't do a great job no I did not Wednesday we will see you after Leafs back to back

and we'll either be really happy or really not happy or somewhere in the middle mmm cause that can happen too just come on and we're melancholy

I'm not happy I'm not sad I just am I have no opinion and atheists suck wow that's what Steve says wow

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