The Steve Dangle Podcast - Tkarade Proposals | July 22, 2022

Episode Date: July 22, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, draft busts (00:00), Matthew Tkachuk trade proposals (24:00), You Can Bet That with Sports Interaction (40:00), Ian Scott retires from professional hockey (43:00), Updates on Hockey Canada (45:00), should the President's Trophy mean more? (59:00), and which Leafs roster do you want? (1:10:00). Originally aired: July 22, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/zITccca6rGI Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Individuals must be 19 years of age or older to open a Sports Interaction account. Terms and Conditions apply. Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc/en-us/articles/216779528-Responsible-Gaming-Self-Limitation-Self-Exclusion. Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Sports Interaction is subject to successful AGCO registration and execution of an Operating Agreement with iGaming Ontario. The Eligible iGames conducted and managed by iGO are only available to those physically present in the Province of Ontario. Visit this episode's sponsors: https://sportsinteraction.com/sdpn https://betterhelp.com/sdp https://magicspoon.com/sdp https://athleticgreens.com/sdp Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Steve Dangle Podcast, powered by Sports Interaction, Canada's sports book. S-D-P-P, the Steve Dangle Podcast, with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! Some sweaty pits there, my friend. Are they? Yeah. Some sweaty pits. Let me lick it.

Jesse is attacking Steve with his tongue right now too many men raise your arms raise your arms Steve no I'm gonna raise this arm in victory and the reason I am doing that

is because Needle Needle Rider signed with the Nashville predators you're right like i predicted correctly did you have a source on that like did you cheat us on that one no i was just like hey there's the fit okay is it you know what man friends are loading up again what's up with this i've dave poyle listened to our show and he's one of uh he's just joining the group of central division gms telling me to fuck myself directly right like Him, Joe Sackick. Remember Matthias Ekholm getting traded?

Yeah. And Philip Forsberg getting traded because that team was going to rebuild? Yeah. LMAO. Didn't happen. LOL. LMAO. Can I tell you guys a funny story?

Sure. It's from MrBrightside618 on Reddit. Oh. He's got a funny story. Sure. And it actually is just a fact. It's a fun fact. Zdeno Chara is expected to officially announce his retirement this offseason from the NHL.

This isn't a fun fact. He's the only active NHL player to have played against the Maple Leafs in the second round of the playoffs. It's Friday. I just thought I'd throw that at you. My brother in Christ. I know. There was one in NBA circles floating around a couple of days ago.

No NBA player that's currently active has faced the Sacramento Kings in the playoffs at all. When was the last time they made the playoffs? Oh, gosh. I don't know. But it hasn't been since an active NBA player has been around. They used to be perennial. growing up i guess that's how i remember that the shack line i'm not worried about the shack

the sacramento queens that's what he said that's what he said last time the kings were in the playoffs was 2005 2006 wow they were wow they were it wasn't vladdy divac and like who was who was on those teams they were they were good pages that's who it was yes it could have been both i don't i just remember them being very very very good so they haven't made the the nba playoff since crosby and ovechkin's rookie year in the nhl wow holy shit orphan up that dude had a whole career they got they had vladdy they had chris weber doug christie mike bibby doug christie and hado turkalu oh hey dude when he was good that was in his days oh no that was the 0102 sacramento kings vladdy chris weber paja doug christie mike bibby chris weber never got his due chris weber

was so good he was so good but but he never turned into the guy that i think that they thought he was gonna be but he was so good well he made a mistake in college so let's hold that against him forever yeah he called the time out how dare he idiot yeah because uh he had such a high ceiling like rookie of the year coming out of that and then he was part of the that great uh ncaa team and then is that in michigan never um where'd he call time out was it michigan i don't know i don't know who did he play for chris weber yeah it was michigan yeah is this where you thought today's show was going it was michigan it was michigan yeah i knew it but he never turned into like an nba champion you know he never he never led a team to a championship five-time nba all-star five-time

nba uh all nba team member former nba rookie of the year number one overall draftee of the golden state warriors another golden state until steph curry's golden state really was a a poster child for shitty they traded didn't they trade they were the ones that traded vince carter to toronto right they did the pick swap and it was antoine jameson charlotte no it wasn't i don't think it was golden state wasn't it i thought it was vince carter i love this team i'm i'm looking up something else what oh it's selected by the golden state warriors well they traded them for for some reason they did a swap with the raptors the raptors picked antoine jameson i don't know why that trade ever happened yeah no that's very confusing

like why didn't you just pick the people you wanted right but sometimes you like guys in the draft you know but back back to chris weber we never had that conversation that's okay you're number one overall pick you uh never win an nba championship you're never the best player on your team to lead a team deep into the playoffs that's uh that's a failure of a career wow wow that's for a number one pick for a number one for most people it's like hey you did pretty well yeah wow just in terms of expectations he fell short wow what's the equivalent in the nhl steve Shane Wright going fourth is a blessing. There you go.

I like that. I mean, geez, is that part of the reason why people look at Matt Sundin and they go, you piece of shit. You're so trash. You're garbage. He might be, I don't know, like Marcel Dion has got to be the best NHLer to never win a cup. Yes.

But Sundin's got to be top five. Got to be top five. There's, I mean, Dino Cicerelli, for some reason, people say is the best player to not win a cup, and they're wrong. they are wrong about that there he might be the best player not in the hall of fame or at least he wasn't he is now yeah so there's him um what i was looking up is with chara retired there has to be one active nhl player uh not born drafted in the 90s remaining and i'm almost right there isn't or there is

Craig Anderson jumbo there's so there's Joe Thornton who is without a contract so I don't know if he counts then there's Craig Anderson with an asterisk because he was drafted in 1999 and in 2001 well he was drafted in 99 then he's a 99 draft pick so he was a third round pick in 99 for the Calgary Flames and then he told them to fly a kite and then two years later he was a third pick in 2001 for the chicago blackhawks wow one guy well he was drafted in 99 and 2002 so it still counts 99 is our old we are when was the mike smith drafted 2001 i checked oh okay i was like who's old mike smith and i immediately went with him spets it would have been in there too right he was in was he a 2000 or 99 i think he was 2000 oh wow i love the summer pods where we're just

like hey do you know the answer no but let's look it up no but let's look it up um who's the highest draft pick since uh the lockout uh to have the worst career highest draft pick top five pick who's who hasn't panned out sydney crosby since uh uh top five okay well cam barker is up there although i don't know if he was picked deon's got to be up there 2005 oh he was nominated for rookie of the year though nominated no what do you win what do you win yeah yeah and i and i yo i liked i was one of the weirdos who liked dion when he was in toronto but uh you are weird for this yakupov yakupov has to be number one yeah first overall pick he's oh yeah i still say like he could still be in the league and he was mismanaged he led rookie scoring

like it's possible he just continued to not get better and in fact got worse but i feel like if you pick a guy first and he fails immediately basically that's a little bit on you either you shouldn't have picked him first or you mismanage his career that's on yeah there's no part of that sorry don't blame the 18 year old when you've got a bunch of 55 year old dudes who've been in the game for 30 years a bunch of good hockey men yeah yeah i got you well and like But also the Oilers at that point were so poorly run. Like it was so bad. It was so, so bad.

Well, and the, wasn't the argument that I want to say it was, uh, Daryl Cates, who there's another story we're waiting for more information there, but he overruled his scouting staff and because they wanted Ryan Murray. Still a bad pick. Well, like that's the thing, right? Like just, who the hell was scouting that draft? That reminds me of the in-depth, I don't even know what it was, Steve, but the in-depth look at the Boston Bruins when they have Chiarelli saying, yeah, we got to trade Sagan. Just does not commit to defense or whatever it was that he said.

I was like, oh my, you should never work again. He was in the room. Jim Benning was in the room. Yeah, there were a lot of guys like high up in NHL offices who were in that room for that willingly released footage. They willingly released that. to the world yeah they maybe shouldn't have yeah they may well and i think i think after that we haven't seen a lot of general manager footage uh like dubas dubas uh whenever his tenure comes to an end the only way he erases the nick foligno trade that was caught on television for amazon's

documentary is if they win the so that series was somewhat notorious for how heavily vetted it was by the leafs and still had some crazy shit in it well that was one of the clips where i'm like surprise that made it in yeah spicy i guess they had to put something in no they didn't let me read you guys the top five of the 2012 draft it's something oh yakupov to edmonton columbus drafted ryan murray yep montreal drafted alex galchenyuk The New York Islanders drafted Griffin Reinhardt And the Toronto Maple Leafs got Morgan Riley

So Brian Burke took a lot of shit for saying He had Riley number one He had Riley number one Based on 17 games He played 17 games in his draft year Had a knee injury And he was right He nailed that

Let's go to the next five There's some other good players too Anaheim drafted Hampus Lindholm That's a good player. The Wild drafted Matt Dumba. That's a good player. The Penguins drafted Derek Pouliot. This is a serviceable player. The McYakpoo line was good.

The Jets drafted Jacob Truba. Is that the same Pouliot? Oh, Truba could be in the conversation for number one there. And the Lightning drafted Slater Cuckoo. With their, oh shit, with their first, first round

pick of that draft. They had two? Go look at who they picked. 19. Number 19, Andre Vasilevsky. The other argument there is Peter, uh, Peter, uh, Philip Forsberg at, I think, 12. He was picked. That's a tough draft. That's a weak draft.

Well, see how there's players, though? There's really good players in that draft. Just not in the top five. Who leads that draft class in scoring? Uh, the 2012, let me go back to it. In goals, Philip Forsberg and then, uh, Thomas Hurdle. Philip Forsberg had

220 has 220 career goals uh hurdle has 181 and what about points and in points the leader is philip forsberg 469 who's number two hurdle second 387 see okay i i'm unmaking the point i thought yeah i i like thomas hurdle and either he's severely underrated or it's maybe not good if he's the second best score i think it's a weak draft i think you would i think you had to argue that he went he would go first now no andre vasilevsky would go oh yeah sorry sorry sorry easily among skaters yeah vasilevsky first philip forsberg and then you got a mishmash of like could be riley could be truba yeah then we're getting down to like you could even select dumba like he'd be top five not great but like cody cc is the uh one two three

like 15th leading scorer in terms of points from that draft. What? Like it's not correct. The draft isn't the best. Thank you Berkey. Holy shit. He's 15th?

I didn't count it fully. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19. Still not great. That's pretty bad yeah 19th uh leading point getter from the 2012 draft is cody cc right after him is josh anderson right above him is alexander kerfoot yo kerf would definitely go like top 15

in a redraft oh yeah shit wow tom wilson's in that draft that's a good that'd be good he'd be top five yeah for sure wow that's a really bad draft holy shit wow so then you you you're like okay maybe we don't blame edmonton for a swing and a miss like what were the yeah we do it's more fun yeah we didn't have a lot of options hey come on they had the first pick you got a hit on the first pick if you do anything other than hitting the first pick you fucked up man maybe like drafting chris weber well i mean that's why it's the first pick and it's so valuable because it should be the easiest pick it is weird how far in advance these picks get locked in like cam fowler i remember dropping from he was supposed to go

third and he went 12th and that was huge that he dropped nine spots in the draft like that's not huge at all when you think about it it's pretty big it's pretty big but like it shouldn't be why because like you're trading because we're talking a year ahead of time when you trade up in the draft when you trade for a higher a higher pick than the ones you have where you get acquire picks you're essentially trying to set your difficulty to easy right especially when you get into the top 10 the higher you draft the easier it is that's the theory anyway yes so if somebody like cam drop barker drops and he's in the easy category not cam barker cam fowler cam fowler that's what i meant sorry i can't forget who i was talking about cam barker that was the anaheim

ducks defenseman yes right cam fowler would have been the chicago blackhawks pick opposite oh wrong sorry i i can okay holy shit so who is it who dropped cam fowler is the ducks pick barker went third overall to the blackhawk oh okay so when fowler dropped yes that that means that on easy mode a bunch of gm said nope and they were right they all went nope nope nope nope no fowler's great what are you talking about it sucks how dare you no he's not a leaf he sucks how dare you if he was on the devils he'd be worse right oh am i right man irredeemable at that point i don't hate the devils by the way i think they're gonna be good in about 12 months you'll never forgive them for taking doug gilmore will you know like you know what actually i have to say my first hockey

jersey was a new jersey devil's jersey and it was doug gilmore wow i never got a leafs jersey until i think it was like grade six grade seven but yeah i had a i had a very brief soft spot for the islanders when they got pot man oh i was thrilled when they got rid of him because i loved brian berard i loved brian berard so much i was just really sad and i'm sorry brian berard would be so great though i got trivia for you all right so i have the drafts from 2005 to 2015 okay that's 10 years worth of drafts a lot of drafts only three top 10 picks did not reach 55 games in the nhl can you name any of them well griffin reinhardt

Lock it in What year is that 2012 We just talked about him He was 4th overall 2012 no What are you talking about Didn't he go to the Islanders

Not 2012 Reinhardt No We read the 2012 top 10 Oh my god You know what I'm doing I have it still sorted by points Way to go dumbass

yeah fucking idiot all right here we go there we go i got it i got it and what did i mean to get they got they got eberly for him didn't they or something it was some ridiculous no no they traded the 16th overall pick for reinhardt and the 16th overall pick was matt barzell oh man it's bad it's bad oh steven yeah it's bad i didn't know why did you do that i'm sorry why did you make them do that holy shit that's a that that deal was bad that gets worse every day the the whole that whole draft barzal mcdavid could have been barzal mcdavid uh and and dry sidle oh nudge imagine they just kept hall too why not imagine they hadn't trade hall like what like they could have just kept hall remember they imagine they traded him and they didn't have

imagine how many cups the oilers would have over the last decade if they just made vaguely good decisions what if they did what if they shit you know the first half of kevin shovel day off's tenure in winnipeg where he did nothing did not make a trade what if they just sat they just sat oh yeah no uh peter shirelli versus a potato potato wins potato wins every time damn like we're not even being cute about that like that is that's fucking crazy the barzal thing i forgot What about that? I love bringing this up. You can still probably look it up on Canucks Army.

They invented a bot named Sham Sharon. Yes. Named after Cam Sharon, who I believe worked for the Leafs analytics department. I think he's recently left. But it was basically they made an algorithm and they put it up against the Vancouver Canucks drafting record and they tried to see who would do a better job. and it was basically the algorithm would just pick the next highest scoring major junior player instead of who the canucks picked oh and and the bot sham sharon kicks the canucks ass you got to

look it up i wish they would still do that i i really hope they bring it back it's been a long time stuff like that man does the the nation network when they did that stuff man it was so good it was so good i want to say it was thomas drance and someone else yeah yes just so you got One okay What's that what are they so 2005 to 2015 Yeah there are I'm gonna I'm gonna expand it a little

There's six players to Not play 69 Games in the NHL six Top ten picks I should say Their top ten six top ten bets to Not play 69 games in the NHL Who are they 69 There's a guy the

Rangers drafted 10th And I don't remember his name but he was is he on there the rangers drafted 10th let me see if he's on my list i don't have a full hell is his name uh and he was i remember he was ranked like in the 40s and draft experts he is you are you have nailed it the rangers drafted this player uh 10th i'll give you the name dylan mckay macklewrath macklewrath macklewrath remember that macklewrath It's not spelled the way you think. No, it's spelled McIrath.

Yeah, no. Dylan McIlrath. That's how you should pronounce it. McIrath is so much better. I like it. Dylan played 66 career NHL games, three goals, two assists. That's it. Still got to the show.

A hundred and twenty-one penalty minutes. Oof. He's like, I'm going to make it somehow. Filatov played more than 69 games, I'm pretty sure. He's a member of the list. Wow. Yeah, there you go. Really?

Nikita Filatov, 53 career games for Columbus. Is it top five or 10? Top 10 picks. Top 10 picks to not play 69 games in the NHL. Wow. 2005 to 2015, Nikita Filatov makes the list. Slater Cuckoo's played over 69 games. He's been in the league.

Yes. He's not on the list. Let me triple check. Yeah. Okay. maybe i should go back to 2012 yak has um murray has gouch has lynn home has riley has and then oh god oh god i don't remember the order uh uh no done you want the names give me the names give me the name all right in 2005 the vancouver canucks drafted 10th overall luke bordon well

he's an unfortunate story uh we don't know we we don't oh well neither did bar down um so they recently did a post about like recent draft busts oh the thing we're talking about right but he's he's not a bust he passed away oh wow he was involved in a vehicular accident and he passed away okay oh gosh yeah yeah all right so that happened a long time ago so people don't know that yes 2005 draft pick there it is that is uh tragic yeah bar down uh got they got uh that's that's the sort of thing that um tortures me like in my research of trade trees when i'm like oh yeah this didn't work out for this team that didn't work wait why didn't it work out and i go and do some research and sometimes it's just the guy didn't work out and other times it's something

a little bit more tragic in 2007 boston drafted zach hamill who played 20 games in the nhl forces i want to say he ended up with minnesota at some point yeah i remember zach hamill only 20 games uh who was the gm in boston at the 2007 2007 oh man wasn't harry harry sinden still at that point was it i have no idea i don't think harry was like just after bork went send and went so it wouldn't have been Israeli no okay Scott Guinea was a draft pick of Dallas Stars in

2009 Scott Glenny oh yeah so the reason I know Scott Glenny I know Scott Glenny because when I did RBC Junior Hockey Magazine he was the only player I ever

booked for an interview for that show who just ghosted us oh I've heard this story. Really? He just didn't answer the phone. He just didn't answer the phone. And you never found out why? Nope. Played one career

NHL games. One more than the rest of us. That's true. One night only. He would definitely make that book. And then we had your New York Rangers pick in 2010. Dylan McElrath. And that's the... And then Griffin Reinhardt. Griffin Reinhardt. And

from the 2012 draft as well. Nope. slater cuckoo did make 186 and that's the list he's still in the league yeah there you go yeah he's still an effective player yeah absolutely um let me ask you a big twittery question can i ask you a big fat twittery question ask me a big fat twittery question i saw a friend of the show hayley salvian putting this out what has she done besides everything yeah besides being besides having one of the most unbelievable years anyone's ever had yeah she went to the julian mckenzie school of do everything yes and he went to the hayley salvian school of do everything

uh uh hayley uh tweeted out before the show show me your your your uh your trade proposals for kachuk oh hell yeah flames fans what do you want and if you're a fan of an acquiring team who uh who do you want to give up who would you give up so i'm gonna ask you guys this not not in the same way that she did but i want to ask you straight up would you do mitch marner for matthew chuck as a leaf fan yes absolutely not okay i saw that come up a lot and i was surprised a lot of a lot of kneelander come up it comes up and i'm not surprised by that because uh not because kneelander's a bad player it's because he's a very good player on a very good contract and it makes a lot of sense for calgary who's going to have like 25 million in

cap space uh take on a guy who's gonna score you 60 65 points and do it for less than seven million dollars that's pretty cool right that's great yeah that's why the leaf should keep them well exactly 100 right right right so so and i did see some marner stuff come up and i thought that was surprising because for i was again i was like no is it surprising though oh so they're trying to trade the whole leafs roster oh what do you do i think i think what i'm surprised about is like did you guys not watch the same games i did this trade proposal would have made more sense if marner was just coming off the montreal series but he's not he was really sick last season he was one of the best players in the league and then was also good in the playoffs they just they lost

to tampa man fuck and the people making these trade proposals they're like media members and nhl executives and all that not just random people on twitter it's the all the executives burners so let's be shocked that random hockey fans are trying to trade everybody off the lease so i have been seeing this a lot in the last few days can you believe this yeah yeah of course like i don't fault people for having fun with it too like for god's sakes everybody relax it's fun but wait if you were if you were at least gm and you had to make that trade you're like your owner says to you larry tannenbaum calls you threatens to kick you in the chest if you don't get matthew if you don't get matthew kachuk on the on the uh on the roster for next season

What would a, even though he's not coming to Toronto, just to be clear, everybody, but if you had to give up from the Leafs team, from their prospects, what do you think is a fair deal? First, can you give me the contract that Matthew Kachuk has with the Leafs? Because that matters. One year, $9 million. One year, $9 million. Okay, go ahead.

Oh, so you're not going to get the long-term deal out of him? Well, okay. So let's live in a fantasy world where he signs. Where he'll stay in Canada. eight yeah fantasy world is all things fantasy yeah eight years nine mil eight years nine or not yeah eight years nine mil let me ask you this do you do kneelander sandin no is that too much for the leafs is it too little for the flames it's well okay in terms of value

it's roughly there in terms of making sense for the toronto maple leaves i just don't think it is uh oh i'm gonna push you guys i want to make this uncomfortable i mean god they really don't need a nine another nine million dollar unless they trade somebody right with it with the numbers yeah you're right so that that helps it make more sense um i wouldn't do it no no but i'm gonna force you you gotta do it okay larry tannenbaum is threatening you with a kick to the chest here's jake muzzin in a first like yeah no that's not no actually though you deserve to get kicked in the chest yeah i don't know because it

doesn't make sense for their roster um i'm challenging you put together the best offer you can so you you move kerfoot because of the money okay that's fair all right um kerfoot has to be included i guess you can have bunting fuck you you could have muzzin you'd have bunting i'm sorry as the gm see can he answer these questions because he's actually a g yeah yeah because he's gonna give you a list of guys here's what you can have pick from these guys yeah that's what i would do i would i would fire up the little trade proposal thing in nhl and i and i pile in the guys i don't really i can that are expendable in this situation and neilander and marner aren't one of them or either of them you know does that even does that make the leafs better no no getting

that isn't what they need to do no i think everyone thinks we're one snarly player away from winning and that's just not winning around it's not how it works no this team that is currently constructed is one no two goals away from winning around is matthew kachuk a goalie and i didn't know that like yeah that's what would have helped him the most this past year good point good point yeah so they have a prospect oh god what's his name wolf dustin wolf i think is his name i'll take him in a deal if you're from calgary yeah oh yeah if if we're talking about wants and needs give me that shit okay the leafs have one of the in terms of prospect rankings they're still like 11th on a lot of lists in terms of system but their goaltending is like in the bottom 20s

It's just terrible in terms of prospect strength. That's surprising to me because they have so many guys. Yeah, but they're not necessarily good. Yeah, it's just like you could sign all three of us to the Leafs organization. It doesn't make us good. There's prospect Jesse Blake, who's played five total games in his whole life.

He's big. He's big, though. He's big. He's got a big wingspan. They'll draft me purely for size. That's right. Stick me out there. I see potential.

You'd have done well under the Burke and Nona's years. man oh yeah uh big wingspan i know jesse how to throw a good rabbit punch and you're good just a little grab him by the collar oh yeah i like that um okay you know so so so then let me let me say this let me reframe it i knew you guys would hate that exercise which is why i did it because i enjoy watching the two of you squirm it was fun correctly pick i'm gonna make all of us gonna pick a team correctly pick the team that matthew kachuk gets traded to the detroit red ranks oh you go well my guess is the st louis blues i'd hate the bruins but my guess is the st louis blues the bruins you think he's going to the bruins yeah i do makes too much sense what

could they possibly give up to get him um like outside of like honestly i'm trying to think of the kids they've drafted recently they can't have the greatest prospect system they've been too good for too long what no because uh calgary needs younger players back right if you're if you're calgary you're not taking any of the older deals like you're not taking taylor hall and and jake debrusk could be a part of that but they've just healed that relationship yeah he rescinded his his trade requests um yeah hall i think could absolutely be part of it well if you're the flames you look at how you did in the regular season last year and you have to be thinking no we actually like

there's a window here even though you got killed by the oilers like killed um so i don't i don't think age is as big of a factor in that deal as you think meanwhile the bruins are like sort of in to retool no one wants to use rebuild anymore but they're not like this is an honest to goodness yeah bergeron and creche apparently both coming back but they're both decided yeah they're bullshitting they're both coming back both of them for less and it's going to be obnoxious and i hate it okay that's so annoying i just don't know what boston gives up like you could say something something and a first and my always thing is like why and a first and and and it could it be two first maybe but i just feel like calgary doesn't need firsts i think they need to win now there's

also the side of calgary that they need to get rid of this guy you know like we're we're looking for the best packages for calgary but they're not coming from a position of strength no everybody knows they have to get rid of this guy so they might end up taking something that they don't want to take or that we look at and they're like oh we calgary got fleeced i asked for swayman and then i wait for uh cam neely and don sweeney to stop laughing for about 20 minutes um and see how that goes yeah that doesn't make sense boston's not you know some sort of get matt grislyk in there it's not great well and if st louis does it my i was looking at that because that's the that's the rumored location because there's huge family ties there let's say

it is the st louis blues what is it how much does tarasenko have left on his one year seven and a half so that just puts you in the exact same position but cheaper and older like they're not going to give up robert thomas they're not going to give up jordan kairu um are we going to start seeing GMs realize the error of their ways and be less likely to give trade protection because like this is a great example like two guys from the 2016 draft who don't have trade

protection I should throw that in there but they're requesting deals to specific teams and that's really screwing teams over Kachuk seems to have a list of two which is a better offer than that was I think Nashville and New York are in there. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

I think it's more than the Bruins. And I think Dallas was a potential as well. Chuck could be a Pred. Jeremy Rutherford of The Athletic reported the Blues, the Knights, the Panthers, Preds. What the fuck? I am so sick of the Vegas Golden Knights. Knock it off. Get a calculator, for God's sake.

No, you're not. We're in on Matthew. No, you're not. okay jack stop it you're not allowed i go matthew kachuk trade one for one one for one stop it figure it out mark how about mark stone no i'm just throwing names out there to piss you off i'm so sick of that you know what it is alex petrangelo for mac and chuck straight up yeah anybody they've just signed to a long-term deal goodbye out the fucking door yeah get out of here figure it out i'm so sick of them that's

enough no you're sellers you're getting rid of salary because you have too much of it you are not in on matthew kachok fuck off stop good lord if i'm the detroit red wings and stevie why right now i say i can get you a package of philip zadina uh tyler bertuzzi a first tuesday's a year away from ufa as well and he doesn't want to play in canada and he's not vaccinated figure it out i'm good he can't bertuzzi cannot get into the states if he if he goes north of the border he cannot get into the states with the american vaccination laws you cannot come in because of trudeau because of biden oh well you can't it's the same law both sides no one seems to recognize I don't understand what you're saying

I'm not capable of understanding more than one thing at once We'll see if that's still the case Okay that might change Come October when the season starts But that's my package It's Bertuzzi, it's Zedina It's a first round pick It's those three that are the starting point

I want Sebastian Kossa Their first round pick goalie And they tell me to fuck off And I go well too bad And you know what A winger So I'm asking for Lucas Raymond I gave you Zedina

That's the winner of the deal Zedina I know The 22 year old The 22 year old Who hasn't really worked out yet The 22 year old Alright Who plays

Jesse call me back When you're serious Click That's what I do I've given you the That's what I do Played 160 games He's got 25 goals

No way The 22 year old You traded Lucas Raymond Straight up for John Tavares And you think You're gonna get Matthew Kachuk For Phil Zedina

Lucas Raymond When you're serious Lucas Raymond's on the Untouchable list For For the Red Wings Well then you put me on your uncallable list Imagine that

That would be a good line I bet they do Stevie Wise got like knee slappers For Ken Holland It's socially awkward old guys calling each other And then trying to lay insults I'm sure it is pretty awkward Where did I get Ken Holland from?

Sorry Not Ken Holland The other Albert again Boston pizza That's correct Yeah do people know that Canadians Know that

He was on fucking Dragon's Den for six seasons or whatever Yeah so Brad Treliving's dad Owns Boston Pizza Oh yes that's right I feel like people don't know that Yeah I think they don't No people have watched Dragon's Den And Mike Comrie's dad

And parents own I think the brick The brick yeah there's some wild ones you're like whoa really crazy well that's like uh because he wasn't like a big time nhler he was sort of mid-tier for a while and he was with hillary duff and people were making fun of him for being like a kept man like the poor one or something no no no not quite no no they're actually uh there's actually room for both of them to be fabulously rich believe it or not crazy crazy story yeah uh man the weird shit that people try to picket people for like it's weird that's weird i don't know why that would be a problem

anyway if your partner's richer than you great like if they're super rich fantastic oh you're wealthy oh it must be a big problem man that really strikes in my manhood i can't i would sure hate to jump in my mclaren every morning that i didn't pay for it'd be great that fucking It sucks for you. But what of my pride? Jim's True Living was on Dragon's Den for 15 seasons. Nope. People know Jim's True Living.

No, they don't know. And he doesn't look exactly like Brad's True Living. Not even exactly at all. Exactly. They look so much alike. A bit. Don't a bit. A bit.

They look a lot alike. They're fucking twins. That's how genes work. work um leo is uh the mailman's dad yeah he looks like his mother he does look like his mother yeah i'm not trying to be insulting blonde hair blue eye and his mother is dark hair brown at what the fuck he has your eyes you're the you're the blue eyes guy right kind of yeah you have blue eyes her mom's got blue eyes though oh yeah damn he's got my shoulders sorry so i saw it recently i'm like hopefully he doesn't have your back hopefully no he doesn't um a kid's built

like a brick shithouse all right so this guy said who i was like wait a second what and i realized it's friday i'm like oh we have to have dave on yeah i was like i thought you were trying to tell me that dave basta was like a prospect in the in an organization i'm like maybe i don't i don't know i like i do him for chuck he's a youthful guy but i didn't think he was like you know what i'm saying oh my god anyway i ian scott prospect from the leafs organization had to retire at 23 years old he's just such a tragic story injuries man injuries yeah he uh whl goalie of the year um you know we were actually just talking about the leafs prospect pool i mean he was near the top he had a hip injury uh surgery i believe

that kept him out a full season he played in a pre-season game for the leafs i think some people will remember that looked fabulous made an absolutely just a incredible highlight reel save and then shortly after left that game with an injury and if i'm not mistaken that's the last game he played oh he didn't even really play in the minors um i mean he's retiring from playing i hope he's not retiring from you know working with working in hockey you know potentially working with goalies it'd be it'd be great if he if the leafs found a way to keep him part of the organization right um like how cool would it be to have a goalie coach your age oh you know like yeah who can understand you a little bit yeah great understand you a little bit you know relate

to a little bit more and i mean like he clearly had all the tools uh there i i think there's a real unique opportunity there and you know most most importantly i hope uh he gets his health in check because i mean jesus your hips kind of the center of everything um yeah man it's a sad story but like it's it's one that i'm i hope gives them some peace absolutely um uh we also have more updates uh on the hockey canada situation scandal whatever you want to refer to it as um now katie strang did another in-depth article going into sort of what happened the night of with dan robson and ian mendez and i'm gonna let you read it i think rather than recant recanting it i think it's better that you read it because they did all the work to find that story it's just come out

and it would be i think it would be um i think what you need to know is yeah we're not doing it justice and it also goes into very specific details um so a few rather alarming specific details yeah yeah yeah which shouldn't really come as a surprise given what we're talking about here but it's a um it's somebody who was pretty close to the event um and you know i you know as this continues to unravel it's been very interesting in in this country that um you know i mentioned the politicians all uniting on the same team for this one yeah so of all the national newspapers all the newspapers right or left leaning or mid-leaning whatever you classify one of them as uh they've all led with this story every day for the most of the past week sometimes there's just

a right and wrong right and isn't that it is nice to see that um and and like i said before you know it's it's nice to see a consensus sort of nobody took this and politicized it nobody's stepping up and going wait a second hockey canada those are those are good old boys and you don't understand i think this is a um it's a bit of a mea culpa i think it's a long time coming and i think this is an opportunity for for a huge reset in this country and and with our national not our national sport technically lacrosse is a national sport but you know what i'm talking about fighting with twitter already um you know with the sport that you know is such a huge part of our identity um and and uh and i think that you know if it's done the right way good can come out of this a lot of

good yeah we were sort of talking about it beforehand and like i don't want to say this story with the eight players has become secondary because it hasn't but the the big story here is the i mean geez there's a rainy day fund for like sexual assault within a government funded organization and since sponsors and and fees since we've recorded last podcast where we talked about the national equity fund hockey can account came out and they said they're not going to use those funds to cover up sexual assaults anymore high five which is wow guys great job well it doesn't mean they're not going to use other funds they didn't say that they didn't say at any point we're not going to use funds to pay this out i mean obviously they're going to but really what you

have to do is you have to report it to your insurance company that's usually where lawsuit no because then the insurance company investigates and they don't want that so the problem the the big story here um or the story that has been born from this story is are the systemic issues you know it's sort of the the comparable i guess with the kyle beach story is he had his story there was there was john doe there was john doe too we didn't know all these details and then the more that came out it became how did the blackhawks allow this to um slip through their fingers and then how did or like how could this happen to another team i have to interrupt you i can interrupt you we just got a statement from hockey canada oh like right now right now can i read it

uh okay no no this is this is this just came out okay uh yesterday evening hockey canada learned of an alleged group of uh an alleged group sexual assault from 2003 involving members of the 0203 national junior team after being contacted by rick west head of ctsn ctv national news with disturbing details about the alleged incident mr west said informed hockey canada he has spoken to multiple witnesses who provided him with explicit descriptions of an assault following an interview with Conservative MP John Nader, who is in possession of the same or similar information. The details in Mr. Westhead's email were deeply disturbing, and Hockey Canada immediately contacted Halifax Regional Police, as Halifax was the co-host city of the 2003

IIHF World Junior Championship, and also notified Support Canada of the information shared with us. We have urged Mr. Westhead to immediately speak to police and encourage his sources to do the same. We also implore MP Nader to contact authorities with any information he or his office has received on the alleged group assault. Hockey Canada is committed to bringing an end to a culture of silence in hockey. This is why we are publicly calling on for anyone with knowledge of this incident to come forward to police, and we are being transparent in how we learned of this alleged assault and the steps we are taking to address it. Prior to receiving Mr. Westhead's email two weeks ago, Hockey Canada staff heard a rumor about something bad, quote, this is a quote,

something bad at the 2003 world juniors but were given no details of any sort we immediately reported this information to sport canada uh in order that uh in order to learn more hockey canada hired a third-party investigator to try to find more information they were unable to learn anything before we received details mentioning this in the above email from uh sorry above in an email from mr westhead we believe the alleged incident from 2003 should be investigated by the authorities and we urge police to open an investigation into this disturbing situation hockey canada will cooperate with and support the authorities in every way we can and we urge anyone who may have relevant information with the incident uh you can

contact halifax police uh uh immediately and then i'll finish it off here hockey canada wants to hear from anyone past or present who feels they are the victim of mistreatment sexual violence harassment or abuse by someone affiliated with the organization and then it says you can reach out to canada sport whatever and like he gives a bunch of contact information holy so that's that's why i interrupted you obviously it was a that's pretty big well i mean what a emphasis on see how it's systemic there's a problem here with an organization that apparently goes back decades here where um they've created a culture where uh hockey players and and when there's incidents of sexual assault it goes under wraps and they've allowed this to foster and to and to thrive

away from the public and it's coming to a head and thank god it is and we can finally change the ways of of our national hockey program this this would make rick nauseous but like this guy needs the order of canada well well yeah i don't disagree but i think you know so it that statement's big because um if they knew if there was record of it if there was a cover-up if there was a payout hockey canada hockey canada they would have had to admit it there what do you mean well if oh in the statement yeah if there was a if there was a payout made that hockey canada would have had to say there or at least under their new were being completely open they would have had to admit it now i i wonder if the way around that and i hate to say it this way but i'm just throwing it out

there because it needs to be um i wonder if if if non-disclosures play a part in that however hockey canada seems to insinuate here that they didn't know i guess i would also assume that uh there's a lot of plausible deniability with the people who would have been there at the time it's that's yeah maybe the staff that's completely that's 20 years ago the people who are currently running hockey canada might have not been around and might not have been in a position to know about this incident so the people there probably don't know it goes across administrations yeah Although, we mentioned Bob Nicholson last show. I believe it said he was the head of the organization 1998 to 2014.

He's not there anymore. But he would have been there for this. Yeah. And he's somebody who was around when the National Equity Fund was established. Like he would have been throughout all this and then the establishing of that fund that's used to pay out court cases. When was that fund established? 2013 or 14 okay um the other thing i remember from i think it was uh 2009 and 2014 was when they had the most recent number of the 14 million yeah but they don't know exactly when it was

established they just have the the record keeping since 2009 to 2014 see how much information there is and how confusing it can be like jesus we're gonna there's so much do we just give rick a segment and have him on every well no i think i think you just let him come out with his story and we'll follow along i know he's he's every time i speak to him he's working on something else and yeah um uh what was i about to say the other thing so you mentioned non-disclosures and one thing i remember from his reporting and this goes towards what you were saying about the government being united is i believe at least one mp but i think it was multiple mps asked hockey canada to basically uh anyone the hockey hand hockey canada has bound to a uh non-disclosure agreement they

want released from the non-disclosure is that part of it uh that's part of their demands yeah wow holy i just as if that broke during our conversation about yeah do you see how bad it is yeah it's happening it's literally information's happening all the time completely coincidental yeah like that we were in the middle of talking yeah yeah yeah how many more of these cases have just gone away over the last 20 years joe yurtick uh just tweeted that he said can you imagine how many more have been swept under the rug stuff like this should dismantle these quote leadership groups and get people to actually give a damn about the humans uh to lead and you know i think i think he's right and i've talked about this before i don't know how hockey

canada survives this i don't know i just don't know how that like you i think you go all the way you you might be looking at a situation where you strip it all the way back to uh to the studs here and rebrand it and start over and that could take a couple years to really sort out but i don't know that that affects hockey at every level in this country i my i can't even wrap my brain around. It'd be an enormous task. Like I'm thinking about like, just for example, uh, an organization like the Whitby Wildcats, you know, minor hockey organization in Durham region, what is their connection to Hockey Canada? What do they get from Hockey Canada? What do they give Hockey Canada? And then if Hockey Canada were to disband, then what? Well, I think you'd have a

successor organization ready to jump in. So I think what you have is you have Hockey Canada is sort of like a rump and then you have whatever is the next the next version of it because it will be you know you can rebrand it you can repaint it you can call it whatever you want the next version of whatever hockey canada becomes will be an extension of this one it will just be there will be a clear line in the sand where nope we're not this anymore right and so what they'll have to do is maintain and then while they're maintaining and holding holding their ground on continuing youth sport in this country and continuing to develop hockey players they got to be building a program for the next and then whoever the leadership group is is going to be the bridge

between the two organizations but that's what's going to happen a theme throughout this though has been hockey canada's complete lack of preparation right and that's that's the thing is that these guys are all gone like the whole leadership executive you're gone are you guys i i'm embarrassed are you guys embarrassed because like this is this is worldwide news guys yeah this is like my national hockey program like i'm canadian this is hockey canada i i care about hockey and like this is the if you're another country if you're somebody in sweden you're like oh hockey the the national hockey program in canada covers up sexual assault and has done this for decades well i'm embarrassed as a canadian that this organization has been run

like this for decades i think there's a lot of people at the helm of their own respective national hockey agencies wondering you know what do we got like what don't we know what do we know sure uh and like i'm not trying to play like well don't throw stones yeah i'm just

but that's that's not the case right now like the case is it's canada it's it's really have a terrible culture around hockey and it's awful it's a i can't look to another country and be like well you don't know but you know right now currently it's us and as canadians it's it's garbage what how we've been running our hockey

program it it is hot you know how those memes about people who make one thing their entire personality as a country we've sort of made hockey our entire personality and right now hockey in this country specifically our governing hockey body is an international embarrassment yeah it's nightmare i didn't um i just i think the reason i reacted the way i did when you first said it is like it repulsed me you know what i mean made me feel really bad holy shit i'm embarrassed this is so bad man wow yep we weren't prepared for no of course not i think how could anybody be i think it's just starting to break now on twitter like i'm just starting to see it pop up more and more and more so listen remember sorry but before uh i remember we debated

what before people really picked up the kyle beach story we were talking to each other and we're like is this the biggest story in hockey because it kind of feels like it and no one was talking about it the difference uh about 14 months after that story broke is this is the biggest story in hockey indisputedly that's what everyone's talking about we had rick on almost a year ago today for the first time i know that's it's not 14 months it's 12 like really yeah but he his original reporting began in may oh did it and then we started it was july my bad we started no i think we had him on in july oh i think i think his reporting was late may fair enough sorry um but like this is going to be like if you don't like it now i i mean it's only going to get worse

and it's only going to get more widespread everyone is working on this um this is the biggest story in hockey for the foreseeable future at least in this country has to be you know has to be welcome to the reckoning and let's do it now let's do it now let's change it now the best the the best time to change it would have been yesterday or 25 fucking years ago yeah uh the the next best time is right now so let's do it let's get into it uh it's going to get ugly and then let's make sure that this this type of shit does not happen and i'm not talking as rick always says these things are going to happen these are going to happen it's how they are dealt with that matters reducing them and and dealing with them properly right yeah that's what

matters the type of shit that should never happen is allowing a government organization to set up a separate a separate fund that's filled with tens of millions of dollars to cover up sexual assault yeah that's like that's something that should will never happen again yeah like that's fucking ridiculous yeah phone's starting to light up with are you seeing this shit yeah yeah it's uh well and it's popping up in casual conversation too like uh like i i remember having to like explain the black hawk story from scratch and i don't have to do that anymore because everyone's read about this because it's available everywhere it's news it's not just sports news it's just news yep well i mean you know it involves elected officials it involves uh don't screw with people's

money all right so oh my god we'll wrap the show there because i don't think there's anywhere we can go with it in terms of like the the story literally just bro yeah so so uh obviously there'll be follow-ups monday rick has not dropped the story but you can assume one is coming um and uh and we'll try to we'll try to squeeze in matt kachuk and nasm cadre next to it too that's the hardest part honestly it's like you're you're you're talking about like stuff like who's going to sign where and what trades are going to work and then and then you and it's buttress with this it's very very you know a quick press conference i have a lot of questions yeah you want press yeah i don't think we've done an hour yet okay oh we have but yeah okay

uh this is from at green night 8811 it's for steve okay bill smith steve says a lot steve says a lot that the cup is only awarded because it has to be it has to be each year if you were to come up with a criteria for a team to to meet in order to actually win the cup what would it be okay let's not take my little jokes literally um like listen the tampa bay lightning are brilliant there's a reason they've been to three straight finals um they draft extremely well they coach extremely well they develop extremely well they uh sign extremely well they exploit the rules extremely well they're brilliant their success isn't an accident the colorado avalanche went on a tour like the eagles and just just ripping everyone off just uh lou lamorello thanks yoink

kyle dubas thanks yoink um the ottawa senators and nashville predators in the same trade thanks yoink and they just kept ripping them off um uh i guess my criteria would be your your success needs to be clearly intentional because there are how how often do we see teams in the final for where we're like how the fuck how did you get here can i can i can i posit a theory on that okay to answer his question the president's trophy should matter more like like an uh yeah it should matter more like because the stanley cup if you look at it from a hockey position that the way that you win the stanley cup is a completely made up circumstance it's not it is it's completely because the playoffs are nothing like the regular the red plans are nothing like the regular season

so if you want if you want to look at it like the the the stanley cup the stanley cup is awarded the way the stanley cup is awarded but what i would say to you instead of saying how would you award it differently i would just say make the president's trophy matter because it should matter it does matter it's a completely different style of hockey against a completely different group of players uh a much wider range of players and to be honest with you it's a far more because people tend to be healthier during the actual regular season than they are during the playoffs accurate representation of where the teams actually are and the sample size is 82 games rather than four rounds versus random teams like the stanley cup is a fucking it's like a throw throw some shit

against the wall yeah the good teams do rise to the top but then there's teams like montreal that go on a run there's the la kings from 2012 a good team went on a run though the montreal canadians success last year or the year before however i don't know it's the summer i never know how to phrase it um wasn't a total surprise because i remember saying for several years okay yeah no this team's not very good but if they made the playoffs watch out they'll fuck some shit up and You were right. And then they did. They were the 24th team.

And they took on the fifth ranked team in the East. They were the Penguins. And they beat them. Right. And the Penguins didn't want a five game series against them because they thought they might beat them. And then they did. And you're not even talking about the cup year. I'm not even talking about the year they made the final.

You're talking about the bubble year. That's the bubble year. The next year, the same thing happened. They were trash. They barely made it all the way to the final. Canadian division is what got them into the playoffs in the first place. But this is my point. You're proving my point.

No, no, I know. The reality is, in a completely fake instance that doesn't exist, Montreal's good. But in the real season, with all the teams and all the players, where everybody is playing on a level playing field. Everybody. I think what you're talking about, though, is a league issue, not a team issue. No, no, I'm not talking about an issue at all.

all i'm saying is you the guy has asked you um if if you know the stanley cup's awarded because it has to be which is a joke and i know you're tongue-in-cheek about that yeah what i'm saying is the fact that we completely fucking ignore the president's trophy because well that team didn't do great in the in the postseason right is bullshit it's 82 games it's eight months that is that is a significant award for a team to win it feels unique to north america doesn't it it does that we ignore the regular season championship and like in baseball baseball if they make the wild card game they're fucking celebrating with champagne and cigars no baseball is the worst example of what you're talking about because they play so many games and it can come down to what

one yeah your first game could be a fucking one game series when the wild card three or 162 no but 163 is the wild card oh yeah you play 163rd game as toronto blue jays you miss miss by one game you know like it's fucking awful and you could play a game a team that's 10 games ahead of you and that's what i mean though it's completely artificial though the wild card is completely artificial meanwhile in europe we are top of the league so we are top of the that's right and here it's we don't fucking care yeah but they have tournaments wake me up in april like ufa or sorry ufa ufa and and and other champions like whatever it is you know they have their own tournaments where the top teams from those leagues go to the quote-unquote

playoffs and play for another trophy but that doesn't like we have conca calf here right whereas like you know you went you win the league title and then you win the championship and then you go to conca calf and try to win that right and i think i think sometimes we we for some reason people like the president's trophy gross disgusting it's because the president's trophy winner has rarely gone on to win the stanley cup so it's there are two different awards there are two different seasons become meaningless like the florida panthers won the president's trophy this year does anybody look at the florida panthers you know what those guys are champs no the florida panthers are champs this year they are regular season champs yeah see but that's the wrong

attitude to have i think you give them their respect yeah how do you quantify that when a team like tampa takes a step back in the regular season to have more in the playoffs exactly because it's a different season. There are two different seasons. If hockey is different from 82 games to the playoffs, you know that. If the Leafs were to win

the President's Trophy this upcoming season and then lose in the first round, they would hold a ceremony to raise a monument of their failure. Yes. But we shouldn't look at it like that.

We should say they were the best team out of all the teams. They were the best team of the regular season. They just didn't win in the playoffs. Nope. No. It's like when it mattered.

Fart. It's like when TFC went all the way to the CONCACAF finals. People were like, well they won the regular seat and they won the the the local championship or like the the north american one but they didn't win conca calf so nobody nobody said well their other two awards are bullshit because they didn't win conca calf that's the thing is what i'm saying is we should celebrate every level of success not piss on one to pump up another one is what i'm saying yeah but

you're asking for society to change what they do it's just not value and it's not gonna work the nhl and the nba because the same situation and i guess mlb could do things to make it matter more yeah they could change the way they structure their regular season so that it's a celebration of the the uh team who finishes first but they've never gone towards that nope here's give us three hundred dollars and for mid-range seats and your two favorite players are load managing fuck you and here's here's the other thing man um in in in epl you win the regular season title whatever they call it um those teams usually bought all the best players there's no salary cap it's harder to do in north american sports there's salary caps here yeah yeah i don't know

why i don't know either it doesn't make sense logically logically it doesn't make sense you can like the playoffs better than the regular season me too kind of like europe for just being And like your shit, not only did you finish last, but your team's poor in your shit, but your team's poor in your shit. And you're going to go to the, your team's poor in your shit league until you earn your way out of it. I do kind of like relegation. Relegation would be cool.

Relegation would be so cool. So, there's also so many leagues and teams here that you could do it. There are a bunch of, there are several NHL teams that next season should be playing the Hershey Bears. Yeah. And losing to the Hershey Bears. And losing to the Hershey Bears. If you got the AHL and formed it

in a different way, you could easily do a secondary league with a bunch of these players and teams. I'm not sure we answered the question. I think we did. I think we're great. This one comes from Scott Coleman. Next question. Who would win in a one-game playoff? Last season's Leafs roster

or the upcoming Leafs roster? Who are you taking? Oh, man. Hard to know at this point. They're like the same. I think it's hard to know. Okay, they lost Mikheyev. They lost Campbell.

Yeah, everybody's healthy. In net. Oh, fuck. Oh, shit. So healthy bunting versus healthy bunting. Yeah, yeah. I mean... I mean, is it healthy Murray?

Why do we even know what healthy Murray looks like? I don't know. This feels like the question is just, would you like Mikheyev and Campbell versus Yarncroke and Murray? Like, that's the only bloody difference, really. Babel, you know? on the samson off fourth line yeah but yeah no he's not playing no spetsa spetsa was huge in

the playoffs spetsa's not there yeah obey who about kubel could be like are you upgrading champion nicolo yeah i don't know i don't know that's a really interesting question but i think they're not finished yet ask us that opening night right now i take last year's roster yeah i agree this is from mason mason has a question for adam wilde adam have you played the uncharted games no i think you would enjoy the history aspect of them i have not played them yet uh i think the thing is is that like i'll get into a couple different series i love far cry i don't like i like ubisoft games for some reason they're just they're open world thing far cry toronto and montreal uh and i love assassin's creed love assassin's creed although i never finished them

i'll like play them for a bit and then the new assassin's creed because i don't have time to finish so i'll get like halfway through and then a new assassin creates out i'm like well better buy it uh so i never i never finished any video game like ever ever ever the only game i ever finished was grand theft auto vice city i saw a video on tiktok of someone who played be a pro in nhl so long that they scored 2 000 goals even on rookie that would take you an eternity i don't know and you're playing 82 games and you're playing all the shifts and that how many people play till retirement oh there's people that are that there's an end to be a pro right i've never gotten there but i assume there is does it tell you that you're you're you're shit now retired

sorry you're how many hours are your days like yeah mine are 24 like i don't i how do you have that much life are you a time traveler do you have a time turn and do you get forced into retirement because nobody signs you or is there like a button like jerome mcginley or is there like a button or is there a button where you can retire unlike jerome again though who couldn't hit the button who just had the league tell him he had to hit the button i'm gonna press the kiss my ass button last question from michael how is your training going steve what's this training they said how is the training going steve are you doing training you're working out working out like my my exercise yeah oh this is what michael wants to work out your glutes and your pecs i

my ass is banging like it's great ass i hold the door open with it frankly i do um it's uh yeah i don't really get much back pain anymore neck's kind of fucked but that's that's what that's i don't know it hasn't been the same since car accident a few years ago but um yeah i'm the most comfortable uh that i've been in years like pain wise besides your neck being fucked from a car accident that you decided to just throw in there wow that's very weird yeah but like i would i you know how often would i like hobble in here or i'd talk about like oh yeah i'm recording this podcast standing up because my back's fucked you know yeah so and like you know uh having to psych myself up to go to hockey i was taking painkillers before and after i would go to play learn to play

hockey that's ridiculous oh my god so no i've been working with the trainer and he's he's got me uh feeling comfortable and uh physically feeling comfortable and aesthetically got a banging ass there you go life's good life's good it's good to be steve dangle it's good to be steve dangle I feel great And I got a fat ass Any questions? You hate to see him go But you love to watch him leave

That's me It's good It's great It's better than good Really? Are you getting compliments From Mrs. Dangle? Buddy

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