The Steve Dangle Podcast - Virginia | December 13, 2023

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, come down to Kingston for SDP night with the Frontenacs! https://kingstonfrontenacs.com/ (00:00), the Leafs beat the New York Rangers to close out the dad's trip (06:45), John Tavares gets boo'd by Islanders fans (31:00), we made the Penguins good! (45:15), the Connor Bowl (52:00), the St. Louis Blues fire Craig Berube (1:10:00), Ted Leonsis is moving the Caps and Wizards to Virginia (1:17:00), they're going to host the Olympics in Italy in New York (1:25:00), Visit this episode's sponsors: https://kingstonfrontenacs.com/ Use code SDP for $20 off your first SeatGeek order. https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SDP Make your brain your friend, with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/sdp today to get 10% off your first month. Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Discover Coffee Plus on Nespresso.com. we have a show to announce like a live show like an event today guys are you ready yeah are you ready yeah it's not that exciting it's not that exciting i already know so i know you know it's not an announcement for me stp is taking kingston again but this time it's with a team you might have heard of whoa is it the oshawa generals no it's the kingston front next podcast taking over the kingston front next game against the saginaw spirit on sunday january 21st 2024 for Steve Dangle podcast night. So it's a full takeover of the game.

So we're going to be involved throughout the whole thing. We are going to be skating with you before the game on the ice. We're going to be the MCs during the game for the front knacks. Okay. We'll be taking part of the intermission games and obviously interacting with, with fans, whether they know us or they don't.

And then following the game, we're going to be at the merchant tap house, which is right across the street. We wanted to make sure that you didn't have to walk very far for the Steve Dangle Podcast live show. And there is only two ways to attend. You can buy your tickets in one of two bundles. And the bundles are cool. We tried to keep the prices as low as we could.

Tell me about the bundles, Adam. Because we know that it's hard out there. So, VIP bundle. There's only 75 tickets of these available. Give me the VIP. And it is $65. Whoa. Here's what you get.

A ticket to the Frontenac's game January 21st, 2024 versus Saginaw. bang a ticket to the steve dangle podcast live show at the merchant tap house following the game bang with vip seating at the restaurant so you can close a meal voucher for the merchant tap house to be used during the live show there's a menu they're gonna have for you so you get the you get a basically a free meal and you get to be a part of the pre-game skate slash meet and greet with the steve dangle podcast crew and barrack the bear oh the bear will be there no way um Yeah, so that's really cool. So basically for $65, you get the skate, the game, VIP seating, free food, and a live show.

All that. The standard bundle, there's 105 of these tickets. You get to go to the game. You get to see us at the Merchant Taphouse. You get to have the meal at the Merchant Taphouse. And obviously, yeah, and that's only $50. So it's a pretty sweet deal, okay? Bang!

To get tickets, head to kingstonfrontnax.com right now on Axe Fast because we don't anticipate these tickets lasting long. Axe Fast. Axe Fast. And in terms of timing stuff, what time does the game start? 2 o'clock. It's a Sunday. So here's the thing.

We figured that it would be a fun thing. We don't want to do it on a Saturday night because we know it'll be Hockey Night in Canada. So it'll be a nice Sunday. And then we'll get to go to the Merchant Taphouse afterwards, do a show around, I would say, 5 or 6. 6, yeah. so yeah and beforehand the skate like we got to get there like 90 minutes beforehand yeah yeah

so i believe the skates i believe the skates at around noon okay so it should be like or even a little bit earlier like 11 yeah so it's it's uh we're still working out some of those details no but like it's we're it's a whole day yeah is what i'm trying to get at like we're starting your day at like 11 with us on the ice and we're going until two uh two and then we get the game and then we're doing the whole game and then we get to drive over the merchant tap house and you get another live show and then you just get to hang out there and eat and you get free meals and everything it's a whole sunday's worth of experience with the sdp you'll be sick of this by the end of it and here's the thing the reason that uh uh we couldn't have every ticket available

for the ice skating thing which is the vip thing uh is because of the fire coats they only allow so many people are only so big yeah yeah well they're like well there's too many people and if there was a fire we we couldn't get that many people out of the time philips square however says, fuck the codes. Oh, no. Everybody's getting on. There will be no codes. You can't even skate.

You're just relying on the person behind you to push you. Do you want to be in danger at all times? Come to Nathan Phillips. We, on the other hand, will respect the rules of the ice and only have a certain amount of people on there. That's right. And Barrick the Bear. Get out there with 3,000 other Torontonians

on the standard pad of ice. Oh, yeah. So we're very, very excited to do this. We're so excited. The Frontenacs, actually, it's funny. um they reached out during our saint catherine's uh uh our saint catherine's show and they were like hey that's not kingston and i'm like well and then i wrote back and you're right it could be and then and that's how this all came together literally over some instagram comments so uh the

kingston front neck shout out to their instagram page for making this happen we're so excited it's going to be a lot of fun uh so uh again 65 for the vip 50 for the regular and again you're getting free meal ticket to the game and obviously a big show with us and we'll hang out and have a good time i like that photo that you were using what am i gonna do with them i also love that you're wearing a v-neck i haven't seen you wear a v-neck in years yeah i got that v it's a deep v i think more like i'm jesus no that's not what i'm doing i think it's like look at me the messiah and i'm looking up at my dad there you go get your two hands out like here's some fish here's some wine oh it's more like oh here we go for hijinks from these two it's bordering on shoving

buddies um there so anyway we're really excited january 21st 2024 and by the way that is not the only event that we have coming up in the new year. We're working on some really exciting things. The Sphere! Yeah, Adam bought the Sphere from James Dolan. Sorry, yeah. I'm charging Gary Bettman rent now. Adam's now the front

man in the dad band. Yes. No, I think we're really excited for the live event stuff for the new year. Kingston is just the first of a few. We will have more details as the weeks go on, but there's a lot going on in the new year in 2024 for SDP.

I don't want to spoil anything, but O2. The O2 Arena. Yeah, we're going to sell out the O2 in London. Adam, I said... Oh, yeah. Now we can't do it. Yeah, you're right. Now we can't do it.

I wasn't expecting that. That was good. Call them and say, sorry, guys, we already blew the secret. Now we have to cancel the gig. Who's the... King Charles? Here, let me type in a bunch of weird numbers. It's King Charles' house, isn't it?

Yeah, we got to call King Charles. Hey, Chuck. there hey we can't we can't come yeah um hey yeah i was adam let's talk about the uh the leafs two games in new york we have a islanders loss but a moral victory and we have a rangers win and i think we'll start with the rangers win because that's the most recent uh sorry the leafs win over the rangers really good defensive performance and probably among the two best defensive performances they've had like back to back this year um but offense was really the story so we'll started off with am i the only one that didn't know that martin jones was canadian uh my entire

life i assumed martin jones was like had like a north american name but was from europe i thought he was from like finland or sweden or something i don't know why martin jones i know why did you assume that when they're like oh and there's martin jones's dad he's the vp of vancouver connects arena and i'm like what at rogers arena there's only one and that's brad lambert from finland right he's the only one where you go yeah i never knew martin jones was it because he played for the sharks for so long and they have so many that's good european player i don't even know like i think that's gotta be ranges categorizes stuff and doesn't ask questions so uh i knew he was canadian because i have interviewed martin jones have you a very long

time ago when i was working for rbc junior hockey magazine and martin jones was a member of the calgary hitman oh i like it yes i like it remember the calgary hit jesse where's he from what do you got oh north van he's a north van product yeah i don't know where you're going i don't i have no idea i have no idea he seems like a very nice guy too and he had a pretty good game uh european yeah the leafs had four goals in the uh first period that's how many shots they allowed on martin jones uh so you know what it was actually three oh because it was four heading into intermission and then when they came back for the second i was laughing because they reduced it to three oh they did reduce it okay um now the dads were chanting something after every goal that the

leaf scored we don't know what the chant was but i would very much like to know i'm pretty sure it was the chance that rangers fans chant after they score i think you know that hey hey hey hey hey and it and it synced up with the chant they were doing except one time it didn't sync up but i'm like and their dads yeah so i think that's what they were doing um it looked like they were just having the best time austin matthews dad especially knows how to seems like he knows how to enjoy his kid being in the nhl the life of the party is ty domey yeah like let's not get it twisted yeah that man is the party driver of every 100 that was so silly like they just had a wide shot of the box and it's just ty domey having a chat with jim for living unreal and i'm like oh

right both of their dads are employees of the toronto mainly or both of their sons rather uh the uh uh the other one ryan reeves dad low-key seemed like a really good time yes like seems like he was there to party and have a good time and um and it's it's funny because he seemed like he was having a rip-roaring time against the rangers his son wasn't even in the lineup i know he's like ah who cares he was there for a leaf game that's right uh now austin matthews became the first NHLer to hit 20 goals this season. He has 21. He was the outright leader in goals for a couple of hours

until Brock Besser had a monster game. He now has 21 as well. Oh, does he? Yeah, yeah. He had a great game for Vancouver. Did he win by a hat trick? Good win by a hat. I think he had a hatty, yeah.

Because I saw a highlight of his, and it's like, oh, there's this 19th of the season. I was like, hey, still back of Boston. And he's got 21 now? Yeah. That's hilarious. I thought you'd find this funny. On Tuesday, which is yesterday,

uh matthews became the first nhler to reach 20 goals and then his 21st um uh he did that by game 26 the the season that austin matthews scored 60 goals which was 21 22 it took him 30 games to hit 21 and the head of the pace that he was in he's arguably already had like two slumps yeah oh yeah It doesn't make sense. Does he have more multi-goals games this season than single-goal games? I think he does. I think so. He's got at least five or six.

Does he even have a single-goal game? Like, I think most of them. Maybe. I think he had one in Sweden. Yeah, because the thing at the beginning of the year was, like, he can't score outside of scoring four goals in a game. Outside of hat tricks. Outside of hat tricks, he can't do anything.

Single-goal games on the season for Austin Matthews, he's at one. two three four multi-goal game oh my god he does let me finish okay multi-goal game no that one two three four five six seven wow seven to four multi-goal games versus single goal games austin matthews is the first leafs player to score 20 goals in 26 games or fewer to begin the season since wendell clark in 93 94 stupid the multi-goal game last night moved him into second all-time on the toronto maple leafs multi-goal list as in games with multiple goals can you name number one and can you name number three gotta be mats mats is number four oh dead puck multi-goal games were really hard austin matthews had

has 66 games with multiple goals in his Leafs tenure. Darryl Sittler, number one. Correct. All right. And number three. Hapday. Hapday.

It's not Hapday. Babe died. 80s, guys. 80s. Babe died. Oh, Rick Five. Rick Five was 64. So, hey, congratulations, Matthews.

By the way, randomly on my YouTube yesterday, a game three in 1986 between the Toronto Maple Leafs and Chicago Blackhawks came up. And sometimes you can just find an old vintage NHL game and just watch the whole thing.

That is happening for me, except it's not vintage. Every time I show Leo a YouTube video, a hockey YouTube video on my TV, it's like, watch game six of the 2017 Stanley Cup final. Watch it! And you're like, how?

How is that even on here? And it just picks up from the last time I watched it. What was crazy about it, though, is the commercial breaks in the 80s were like one commercial and then back to the it'd be like here's a Molson commercial Molson drink it and then boom back to back to the game and uh Wendell Clark was in the box when I started watching I just picked a random spot in the box for fighting I believe it and then he got out

and his first shift got into another fight and the Leafs swept the series how did anyone in the 80s get above four seconds of ice time I don't know I have no idea I have no idea my games must have been four hours now going into this game here were mitch marner's expected goals by game according to kevin pepetti this is the previous 10 games 45.8 36.8 40.3 50.6 and then it gets bad 35.4 45.9 26.4 21.9 35.6 and then the islanders game 33.2 but gentlemen what does that mean gentlemen last night that jumped to a 0.81 we'll get there what does that mean we'll get there no you just read the number what does that mean oh like what does the expected goals 30 percent expected goal i have no idea what that means so basically it's not just like uh shots

or shot attempts it's uh i don't know exactly how they calculate the metric but it's basically how many goals you can expect for or against you want to be above 50 because that means you can expect more than 50 of the goals that are scored while you're on the ice to be yours which is how you win a hockey game you score more than half of the goals in the game okay does that i feel like we should have explained that oh oh fair enough sorry well uh mitch martyr scoring two last night and listen people have been hard on mitch but you got it you got to give credit where it's due that was a spectacular game for him and it seems like a bit of a i mean if he could keep it going that's been the problem um it seems like he felt better last night it just it you could you sometimes

could you watch these players enough you feel like you can see it he's fighting it this year um there seems to be more of a fire in him in and like he's really low-key grumpy um so it was really good to see him have a great game does he have a little bit of like kyle hour energy where he's like he funnels his anger uh i wish no i wish he did i wish he did uh if he's turning into kyler that there was a good uh question i got asked yesterday for the lfr but i didn't have time to answer it is uh in wrestling terms like which leafs are poised for a good face turn and which guys are poised for a good heel turn marner if this was wrestling would be poised for a perfect heel turn because he's this happy-go-lucky baby face and a lot of people are like shut up

it's out there man like people are just not digging the vibe um i'm seeing like people are being really nasty actually yeah like beyond valid criticism which is fine um every now and then when the wwe has this wrestler that's just so sweet they make you sick they turn them heel and everyone gets right behind it so like if he uh like turns into a villain if he just plays every game like an asshole i think people would love him now here's what i'm not understanding about is really bad uh expected goals numbers this is from nilander fuse uh on twitter tyler bertuzzi oh i have that lined up too oh well i was gonna save that for another the thing but that's okay but but these are related yeah do it uh tyler bertuzzi leads all

forwards in expected goals 61 shot attempts 57 scoring chances 61 and high danger scoring chances 62 uh and his third in goals four at 58 and then he expanded on that last night the leafs with tyler bertuzzi on the ice tonight 81 of expected goals which led the team 67 of shot attempts which also led the team they won his minutes do nothing so if the leafs are consistently winning tyler bertuzzi's minutes how are they not also winning mitch marner's minutes because that's his line mate well i think they did last night last night they did are the numbers you're reading five on five are they power play are they penalty kills they've got it mitch marner five on five for money puck mitch marner plays in different situations than tyler bertuzzi yeah but it's

not like they'd be getting caved in while on the power play so like a penalty kill like penalty kill yet no i'm assuming it's all five on five if it's penalty killed that would be it would be a disingenuous stat to present yes if it involved and nobody's ever presented a stat in a way that skews their narrative no way oh that's true you know it's that's a great thing about stats is they can't be they can't be taken and diced up and i trust these twitter accounts i don't trust all twitter accounts i trust these two um so it was great to see marner get in noah gregor on the top line how do we feel uh good for him got an assist yeah did you see how he got it no yeah i mean i saw but i can't remember i broke it down in the lfr he dropped the puck for austin matthews

then went for a change then the leaf scored 14 seconds later i mean they credited him with his second assist of the season good for him um listen i'm not going to sit here and say he was good I'm going to sit here and say he deserved it. He deserved the opportunity. There were. And by the way, Matthew Nyes was sick. There was a bug going through the team. Yeah.

So it's kind of crazy because apparently the whole team is sick. But they're like Matthew Nyes was so sick he couldn't get his skates on. And they have a four game week. They have the New York back to back. I think they have Columbus tomorrow. And then they got Pittsburgh Saturday. Yuck. It's probably the same illness Samsonov was dealing with when he couldn't suit up last week.

in lagasin yeah yeah um uh where are we going well we're talking about noah gregor on oh yeah no like there there were like i mean he's got the fastest feet in the world but there were a lot of plays where like either his hands or head did not keep up with the play but for one night i don't give a shit yeah just have him out there and him doing an adequate job in that role uh is i think a byproduct of how good the coaching staff was like sheldon keith and the coaching staff have done a really good job the last few games um and it's also a testament to how good the third line has been that that third line is regularly winning their minutes i think some of that has to do with deployment a lot of it has to do with man they are maximum effort all of the time and you could

have easily broken that up given robertson an opportunity on that line yarn croak who has quickly become sheldon keith security blanket you could have put him up there on the left wing but he how much of a luxury is it to just take a player off your fourth line and go ah you're on the first now and i trust you like completely um it was it was great david david comp with another goal yeah he can't be stopped he can't um i also want to throw this out there guys uh jesse i sent you the clip and i don't know if we could freeze it tic-tac-toe Omar's got every clip online. He had a busy night last night.

He's the best. The Jake McCabe hit on Charlie Lindgren. Good Lord! I haven't seen a hit that hard thrown by a Toronto Maple Leaf in, it feels like, decades. That was bonkers. And clean. Now, he didn't have to fight afterwards. You have to fight clean hits now.

Meh. But it was one hell of a hit. And what was crazy about it is because he hit him so hard and then had to fight, the Leafs ended up, because of that hit, getting a power play. Yes. Man, forget the power play. Screw all that. I want to talk more about the hit.

I don't think Rangers fans are used to seeing hits like that on their players. It's normally the other way around. He knocked that dude horizontal. And, like, Lindgren is not a small player. No. He tuned him. And I felt bad because the game was in Madison Square Garden. It had a lot of Leaf fans.

Oh, sorry. It wasn't just that the game was in Madison Square Garden. It was a Leaf game in Madison Square Garden on the dad's trip. Yeah. So it reminded a lot of Leaf fans of Dion Phaneuf's hit on, I think it's Kirst, Sauer. And people brought up the clip. What a lot of Leaf fans don't know, but Rangers do, is that hit ended Sauer's career. It was the last game he ever played in the NHL.

Really? Phaneuf demolished that guy. And we remember that clip because they show Phaneuf's dad's reaction, and there's some funny clips because it's a dad reacting to his son laying a big hit. And that happened again in this game when they showed Jake McCabe's dad, but a lot of Leaf fans don't know what that hit did to Sauer. um always eventful when uh the leafs dad's trip rolls through new york because uh i pointed i pointed that out the similarity between mccabe and um finuff and yesterday in the cj show chat

chris johnston pointed out that um i think it was the last time the leafs dad's trip was at madison square garden uh jack campbell was acquired oh and they pulled what did he say they pulled one of the dads Trevor Moore's dad they pulled him off the bus they pulled him off the bus because his son got traded um so if you wonder why the LA Kings put him in the starting lineup uh and he murdered the Leafs in his first game back in Toronto that's why so let's have a look at this if we can freeze frame it mid Charlie Lindgren in the air Jesse is that possible can we see that's the skates the skates are off the ice are off the ice and and like there's nothing to argue with this is a very clean hit it's like it's like true but except it's not even riding

the line it's a perfect hit oh he just he admired his past man he admired his past the thing about the the penalty afterwards is that that's how that should work a hundred percent of the time if somebody delivers a clean hit and you have the opposing player come over there and start a little scrum with him that should be a penalty a power play every single time for the guy for the team that delivered the clean hit it makes no sense that you just get roughing uh against your team if you delivered a clean hit so i'd love that the officials called it that way finally i'm gonna send you oh my god i want to send you a couple more screenshots of that hit if you don't mind uh here let me airdrop them to you dude it's so bad it's so and like because lingren appears to

be fine i'm happy to emphasize it you know what i mean he knocked that dude horizontal yeah yeah and and so what the reason i wanted to bring this up and talk about it was not just the hit itself but it's the change in playing the toronto maple leafs this year steve mentioned something a couple episodes ago and even when they lose the leafs now are not an easy out there's pain associate a long night every time and that night what you know like forget over a seven game series because we're so far removed from the playoffs at this point it really doesn't matter what does that do for a team in the regular season why does that matter uh because there's 82 games that's so many games and there are games you have to get up for and there are games where you just don't have

the physical or mental energy to get through this there are two teams that come immediately to mind oh three now and unfortunately they're all in the atlantic um the lightning for the longest time win or lose were a long night they would grind you physically they had unmatched speed for certain guys and they had wild skill the boston bruins man every time every time the leafs play them it's a long night dude their their twitter fan base is a long night i'm like oh god everything is going to be from the beginning of from the invention of hockey it's just going to be a long night and they're turning into this the florida panthers are just a long exhausting night but see it's the combination you can't just be this goon squad and the Leafs aren't um the skill has been

there the speed has been there um like the stick work has been there like we know they can stick check now they're relentless on the forecheck they don't relent the puck they don't give it up to you and they grind you and honestly once a game someone blows someone the hell up like whether it's mccabe or ben was blown guys up recently lagasin has blown guys up recently and he's always pushing somebody after the whistle lagasin's always grabbing something he's an asshole it's the best um when did callie arncroke get this ridiculous vendetta against the new york rangers dude from puck drop last night he was just like just being a complete dick to everybody on that team it was awesome they're a long exhausting night jesse what do you got there on your screen

uh just the hit oh wow he looks like a flying carpet look at that he looks like a crushed pop can looks like somebody just erased his legs look at that yeah he looks like an ai generated uh player that's nuts or or nhl 2004 replay it's a little bit it's a little bit pixelated He just wasn't. Now, wait a sec. What's the conversation that we've been having? With the Leafs? That it's a hard hit, right?

But why did he get hit? Well, because he was admiring his pass. He was admiring his pass. Now, compare and contrast this with the conversation we had last episode. Well, he wasn't protecting himself. Is Ryan Lindgren protecting himself here? No? No.

does he have his head on a swivel here no who was the onus on to lay a clean legal body check Jake McCabe every time a player gets hit with a dirty hit we're like well what were

they doing why weren't they doing it properly Jake McCabe could have blasted this guy in the brain and people would have said that shit they would have been like well he was admiring his pass don't admire your pass it's the no hit league that's a hit that's a great clean hit jacob truba would have nodded his head at that hit it's clean

and you don't got to be a dirty prick about uh the hit it's still the hitter's responsibility to lay a clean hit good on jake mccain there you go i got a question for you what's that are you looking out for your cheeks always no i mean the down there cheeks the butt cheeks i knew what you meant okay good listen seat geek is a way that you can make sure that your butt hits the right seats and you are at the right events okay seat geek 28 million downloads it's the number one rated ticketing app in the world 70 000 events with seat geek every single day including sports concerts festivals jesse i want tickets to a chief's game so i can go see the taylor swift show you can do that you can do that you could you could also see the chiefs get robbed in the last minute by the

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Islanders game for a second no they lost that one I don't think we should they did lose that game but there was a moral victory and we're usually on this show sick and tired of moral victories with the Toronto Maple Leafs no but John Tavares getting two points getting his 1000th points with four seconds left and they lose anyway yeah they lose anyway but they tie the game I mean first off you you called it i called my shot uh but also i mean it it to be honest with you it was pretty satisfying watching him do that in new york it was awesome i i uh shout out to the leaf fan in long island in long island i got people who are pissed they're like it's on long island bullshit it's in um when tavaris got his goal he just goes one more one more and i don't think he

was looking at another leaf fan i think he was probably giving it to the islanders fans who were just ripping them all night uh i heard from a uh a leaf fan from the island in the island in the island but he's from it uh his name is tj uh cordone and he i guess he grew up in a non-hockey household but he went uh that's a long island name uh he he basically went to college about an hour away from buffalo his roommate was a diehard sabers fan he's like the first game i ever saw was leafs versus sabers so he said i started cheering for the leafs as a joke and you know to bother his his buddies screw you uh and he's like and then i fell in love with the sport and so i decided to stick with the leafs and he's like i've questioned my life choices

ever since but he sent me a picture he has like a toronto maple leaf painted on his wall in his basement nice in his man cave love it and he said he said he sent me this message he said hey adam i wanted to give you some context here because i live on long on long island no uh you don't he's like i honestly could care less if we lost an ot that was such a great achievement to be there and watch and the fact that it was against the isles coming in the final minute of the third made it even more sweeter he said those fans were absolutely sour after the bench cleared they honored him by celebrating a thousand points on the jumbotron with a pick of him in an islanders jersey and people lost their minds he said despite the win i don't think a single islanders fan

left that arena happy last night and it was glorious i'm i'm mad they scheduled it for a monday because yeah it wasn't the same night game it wasn't they were dude tavaris's first game back in long island was crazy was a metallica concert they're at all game ballistic absolutely ballistic good on the Leafs for scoring first it's super key in that friggin building especially for the Leafs also starting your best goalie yeah that too

yeah that certainly helped oh my god I forgot about that they started the backup goalie it was Garrett Sparks I really there's so many that's such an underrated piece of shit decision

that he made thank you for reminding me so i can be mad about that the whole way home i know i'm sorry you started garrett sparks yes he did in that fucking game never forgive him bad guy you stink as as jeff o'neill likes to say bad guy you that's a money on the board gate you stink yeah anyway sorry he got a job after that you stink anyway um where was i going with you're talking about uh tavaris and you're sad that it wasn't on a saturday night oh well and like people were complaining like oh you know how how can you boo him it's his thousandth like if you compare that with the first couple games that

he returned to long island they have toned it down well they put him every time he got steve it's been six years yeah i know i mean i like listen i i i understand and can respect because i'm a toronto maple leafs fan and i'm a toronto raptors fan i'm a toronto blue jays fan it sucks watching your best player walk out the door because they don't want to be there anymore we can relate we can relate we're on that level i get it i watched vince carter quit on the raptors the difference was we booed him in the first game back maybe the first few games and then after a couple years we just kind of moved on i i and i'm mad at otani he's never put a jays jersey on so here's here's what i would say and most of tavaris's points by the way came in an

islanders uniform more than 50 for now for now i if if an islander fan and this goes for all 31 in other franchises so if you're a fan of anybody else other than the islanders i get it the islanders don't want to let it go they want to boom it's fun cool if an islanders fan ever tells you to get over something no they can't i don't know that's off the board off the board oh i think they would yeah yeah you need to get over it people do that all the time if an islanders fan ever says rent free that's off the board you can't say that islanders fans cannot say rent free that's so true you know that that chirp is done you get to fart in their coffee 100 100 you don't don't let them away with this i'm just telling you and i again islanders fans are some of the

most passionate in the league since the tavaris dust up and we back in the day like went to war with some of these fans they've been actually really cool uh super super nice people and like i've nothing but good experiences with islanders fans since then yeah uh but uh it's like in terms of fan bases too like they're not as like um they're just rah-rah islanders they're not just they're not as much we hate you except it's john tavares except for when it's him i i feel like i'm like okay that's your thing you want that to be your thing you own that thing but there are concessions you have to make rent free is one of them you can't say that it would have been nice to see them cheer for the thousandth point like when his picture is up on the board and then go

back to booing i think that would that would be funny that would that would have been a good compromise so that we know it's like this is a thing that we're going to boo him forever, but for this accomplishment in your career, we'll at least applaud for that because we know it's just a sporting thing and we don't personally hate you, and

you have this magical accomplishment. Yeah, they do personally hate him. So they booed throughout that whole thing, so it seems like it's very personal. Yeah, no, I think all the Islanders fans listening right now would be like, it is personal, and we do hate him, actually. It would have been nice to see like hey we have a differentiator where this is a sports thing and we'll boo you when

you're on the ice but this accomplishment is cool and that didn't happen oh no it's both carlo coley activo tweeted that you know he's like come on it's his thousandth point can't you just cheer him and then and wischinski retweeted him and he's from the area and he's like that's an unhinged take that it's just in the context of islanders fans there's just not it's just not gonna happen i understand where carlo's coming from but like dude you've played there maybe they were just bad like for carlos whole career basically well this is which is true the thing about tavaris we talk about like legacy i know arthur staple got a nice little me in on his uh athletic article like oh the jays fans are gonna boo otani like so this so it's

definitely the same no john tavaris gave the islanders eight years what did he write relevant what did he write about otani it was like i'll pull it up here i'll read it to you because it's kind of it's an interesting take and essentially what he was saying uh was like listen you guys are gonna you guys are gonna get on us for booing and he's like especially the toronto media which you know we're a part of you know what say what you want about this show at least we're up front about the fact that we're fans uh here's the arthur staple what everyone doesn't get about islanders fans booing john tavar it's like here's the thing i always love when journalists tell us that they're not also fans of the team because if they were not i don't think an article like this

no all these journalists who work in sports got into it because they hate sports yeah yeah fans growing up was like i guess if i have to be a beat reporter no as soon as they got the job their fandom they just left um but dad i want to be a doctor no you know you will be a beat reporter you'll get a good union job good safe you know son of mine's gonna be a doctor you're gonna write for a newspaper for 80 years because you hate sports and you're not a fan of it why is there a med school application in the middle um get out of my house uh so i'm gonna pick it up at the end i'm not gonna read i'm not i'm not uh the athletics um uh audiobook reader so i'm gonna read pieces of this article you can go and check it out yourself tavaris agonized over

decision to leave but he still left the islanders have had sand kicked in their faces for a long while and that was just one more bad day at the beach there's no arguing who's had the better five years since and it isn't the leafs perhaps that's why toronto media and fans get so puzzled over the booze the leafs got their guy the islanders got some glory right because they went to the conference finals two years in a row three years in a row it sounds like we're even yeah but to be a fan means you're going to boo and i agree with that statement i agree sure for Isles fans for now and maybe a little while longer forever Tavares is the guy you don't have to understand it but it's time to accept it Cal Clutterbuck said if it gives them a little justice

so be it and then here's where the here's where the Leafs Jays thing comes in Clutterbuck played with him in Oshawa too yeah uh they're buddies yeah um lots of Leaf fans are also Blue Jays fans I hear correct the Jays just lost out on the chase for the big the Jays just lost out on a big chase for a big-time free agent, which stings. But maybe they'll understand why Shohei Ohtani chose the Dodgers and Los Angeles, and they'll respect his choice and support him

when he comes to Rogers Center next season and in seasons to come, right? That's pretty funny. That's pretty funny. It's funny, but it's also weak. We're not booing. I'm sure Ohtani gets booed like one time. I don't think for the next 10 years, the life of that contract, every time Shohei Ohtani

comes to Toronto, he's going to get booed. That's not going to happen. I think it'd be better if he did though that'd be that'd be insane why should he get booed i don't know he shouldn't get booed at all by virtue of he's the best player okay all right that's it yeah like so here's here's my thing with that and again i know he's just getting a little jab in and i'm i'm not going at arthur stable for this but it's kind of one of those where you're like it's a bit different because tavaris did good things there lots of good things got them their first playoff victory and ours in, like, over 20 years

and scored the winning goal in both series. Otani didn't even have dinner here. That's what I mean. Yeah, I don't think they're the same. They're not the same. But, I don't know. I understand why they're not over it, but I guess it'll just keep going on forever.

Like, this is it until he retires. It doesn't bother me. They hate John Tavares. He hasn't played for the Islanders since 2018. I will, as long as we're talking about Otani tropes, I will say it'll be bad for the sport when the Islanders stop booing Tavares. Okay.

It's good to have this shit. Oh, I agree. I just don't think it makes any sense. I'm not against fan being fan. I'm the one on the show being like, no, don't tell me not to be a fan. I'm just saying that particular moment doesn't make sense to me.

I think at a certain point. It makes it funnier to me. Six years you got to get over it. Or maybe you don't. We can't tut-tut them for reacting a certain way when we routinely complain that Scotiabank Arena is a morgue. You know what I mean? I think those are two different things.

Yeah. They're two completely separate things, and they're not even related. Scotiabank Arena is a morgue because of ticket prices and the income level. That is a factor. And they're all business seats. Yes.

The Islanders fans are passionate, but that has nothing to do with the fact that they're booing Tavares. You understand that. I understand Steve's point in that it illustrates more passion than you'll get at a Scotiabank arena. Agreed. And I don't disagree with that at all. Agreed. So if

we're sitting here complaining about Leafs fans sitting on their hands and they have a fan base that goes above and beyond the what you're supposed to do as a fan, then maybe we should be applauding it. Okay. You guys go ahead. I'm not going to applaud it. It's like, okay, fine.

I'm just saying, the next time an Islanders fan chirps you for anything, remind them. no but it's like when you ask an athlete to be honest in a press conference and then you rip him for being honest like patrick mahomes stuff where he was being a giant crybaby oh my god you shouldn't you should rip him for his reaction but you shouldn't rip him for being passionate you know like that's what we want out of athletes to entirely show their emotions so the fact that he did that we should not applaud him for being a giant crybaby but we should at least not criticize the action of doing it and with the islanders fans maybe we shouldn't be

criticizing them doing it because this is the passion we want out of fans. When you go to a city and you have their fan base, you'd rather have them have this than nobody show up to the arena and just sit on their hands. Adam, I gotta say, this take, you're hurting the economy with it. What do you mean?

Because when Long Islanders come to Toronto, they're not going to have to pay for a hotel or Airbnb. Why? Because they'll be rent-free in my head? Because they're rent-free right in your head. Oh, man. Oh, who let broke up i think it would have been nice to see them cheer for the thousand point that's the only

thing that uh bothered me a little i think it would but they're not nice and i think it will have been a low cue but yeah they can boo if they want i still want to see a game at ubs that'd be awesome ubs badly that'd be awesome yeah we were talking about that a couple years ago that almost happened so it yeah in the middle of the pandemic freaking covid yeah oh sorry here i'm an islanders truther did it work um Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk.

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So let's move on to the Pittsburgh Penguins and Pittsburgh Penguins fans. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're frigging welcome. So we talk about, on the last episode, them going an entire month without scoring a power play goal. They break that streak, Jake Gensel, in the first period. Of course.

And then we talk about the fact that Jeff Carter has two points in 20 games. And what's he do? He scores a frigging goal. Two goals. Two? Yeah. One of them on a breakaway. Oh, stop.

It was vintage Jeff Carter. Short-handed. Short-handed. Stop it. What's he even doing out there? And the other one was a power play. On the power play. They had two power play goals.

He scored a power play goal after they went a month with none. They got two and one from Jeff. So no even strength goals. Bum. And we talked about, like, why do we have him on the second power play unit? I guess we know. That's hilarious. So here's the other thing, man.

Buy your tickets now because we trashed the Penguins, and the last time we did this, they won two straight cups. Oh, 100%. Didn't they get hot, too? Well, they fired their coach. Yeah, they fired their coach. Like this season, I mean. When we trashed them, they fired their coach, got a new coach, won the cup.

We were talking about firing Jim Rutherford because they did the Kessel trade. They ended up firing their coach, and we're like, oh, you stink. Like, oh, geez. Like, you made a go-for-it move, and you got worse. Like, how don't you view this as a failure? Two straight cups. It's amazing. Largely on the back of that acquisition.

Yes. Phil Kessel's best years in the NHL weren't in Toronto. No, Pittsburgh. They were in Pittsburgh. And his first playoff performance that was crazy. Dude, he's a wildly successful playoff performer. Like, in terms of, like, points per game, point totals. Like, compare him to NHL history.

You can talk about, oh, he was sheltered, whatever, whatever. Like, well, then let's just discount every number Mark Messier put up except for the one cup in Edmonton that he won by himself and the one in New York. The ones with Gretzky don't count. All of his numbers with Gretzky don't count because he was on the second line. Yeah, no.

You know what I mean? That's not how the sport works. With the Pens game last night, none of the goals came at five on five, even though one at the end of the game was an empty netter, so they're six on five. Love that. And then the Arizona Coyotes scored all their goals

on the power play as well. And the game should have been even more lopsided, but the Arizona Coyotes currently have the best goaltender ever to ever play the game of hockey, and Connor Ingram, who stopped at over 40 shots on goal. He got me five fantasy points last night, and when I saw that, I thought they won. No, he allowed three goals.

No, he just made a billion saves. Yeah, the Penguins just peppered him all night, and he was stopping a lot of it, but he couldn't do everything by himself. No. Yeah. I was disappointed Michael Coney didn't score again because what he's doing is unbelievable.

dude former leafs organization member he was with the marlies and uh he was involved in i want to say it was the zeitz of cc trade yeah so he was on that's what i don't get upset about that's like carter verhage in 2017 people like oh the leaf should take that taylor beck deal back i'm like no i mean yeah nobody saw that coming took him a while before he hit and i'm happy for carter verhage i really am but like i'm happy for michael michael carcone yeah and it isn't trevor more having a just a crazy year two five on five he's been good for years now carcone uh verhage uh doesn't really count but whatever mckeough is going off hyman is going the fuck off yeah he's having and uh so i think trevor moore leads the kings and goals that's amazing dude it's crazy

the the weirdest thing about carcone is his shooting percentage he's shooting at 35 percent like that's why this uh third line player currently has 14 goals and three assists and is amongst the league leaders it's the 35 shooting percentage and you know it's kind of like an anomaly because they're not playing him anymore you know he hasn't been moved up in the lineup at all he's still playing only 11 minutes a night that's hilarious but he has 14 goals and is shooting 35 it's it's crazy to watch elite shooters shoot in the neighborhood of like 15 to 20 yeah like austin matthews he's 30 when he's on fire matthews will shoot like 16 percent that is absolutely bananas yeah wow but um this was penguins conversation good good for the penguins

figuring out the special teams because that's the only thing that's been holding them back everything else seems to be clicking uh it's a very emotional sport right like it slumps kind of become themselves yeah they snowball it's like they're running down a hill look at the sharks they're nine seven and two since they went oh ten and one um you know maybe it's a flash in the pan for the penguins or maybe they just figure it out there's no reason for their power play to be the shit who who has the crazier comeback story doesn't even have to be in the numbers the oilers who have just won i think eight straight now i think it's eight yeah or the pittsburgh penguins potentially is last night the turning point for the pittsburgh penguins are you gonna be more

surprised by the oilers making the playoffs or the penguins oh given where we were a month ago i mean the oilers um they didn't look like they could they didn't look like they could play hockey for as far out as like as as bad as the penguins have been the oilers were so much further far further out than the penguins will ever be in these standings like the penguins their goal differential on the season so far is a plus eight like we're i'm rehashing the conversation but it's a good team that just really bad on the on the power play and like the teams that are below them is just two teams and one of them just fired their head coach like st louis blues were shooting like eight percent on the power play yeah so so far this season they fired their head coach for it so

the metro's freaking jump ball eh yeah it's really up in the air um but i couldn't even tell you who's good or bad right well the new york rangers are good i think that's yeah but like i certainly didn't look at last night and like one game one game no but like just durkin's been straight up not good and it's been shaky the last couple weeks yes that's a difficult way to be considered a contender if you take the season as a whole the new york rangers have been one of the best five teams in the entire national hockey league i agree but what have you done for me lately what have you done last night hey last night what i'm saying we all know december defines the season i believe that was janet jackson what have you done for me last night i believe that was her big hit

yeah yeah is that how have you never heard what have you done for me lately uh you haven't have you i'm sure i have oh my god you don't know janet the penguins currently sit four points back of a playoff spot but the difficult thing for them is there's three teams in between them okay that's the tricky part of hopping all those teams but yeah they're not far out man the metro is wild this year it's great can you give me an oilers playoff update yeah because remember actually no you can't no hang on one sec oh okay let's talk about the oilers for a second okay so we had connor versus connor yesterday couldn't watch it couldn't watch it and legally we legally in canada could not watch the game because we needed to watch the coyotes and penguins penguins that

was the that was the national game in canada yesterday leafs rangers regionally on well that was tsn and then sportsnet decided to make the edmonton chicago game a regional game they so they didn't decide to do it any game on a wednesday saturday or is it monday can be a national game because yesterday was a tuesday it is not a canadian matchup is not allowed to be a national game so the nhl doesn't want to grow its sport so well the point the point that you made yesterday is the foresight is when you have the connor mcdavid connor bedard matchup you plan your schedule so it lands on a wednesday or it lands on a saturday that is how you do it exception well say it's connor versus connor you absolute idiot moron yeah but to avoid going back to the

the broadcasting rights contracts and doing that you just have a guy who knows hockey and can plan a schedule and says make this game fall on wednesday yeah and then everybody can see it yeah like like it was national on espn that's good that's good but espn plus you have to have the package oh really yeah i'm i'm reminded of i had a difficult time uh tweeting this so i'll just tell the story but uh i used to work at cbc and when it was announced sydney crosby was making his return unfortunately his first return because uh he had to bow out a couple times um but when he initially made his return after like a year against the

New York Islanders. It was a random I don't even know what day of the week it was game between the Pittsburgh Penguins and the New York Islanders and CBC didn't originally have the game the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation because why would they? It's a game between

the Penguins and Islanders but they picked it up because of its importance. The Islanders sucked They were horrible at that time That was the identity-less Islanders It was like 2011 or 12 They had dark years

And that bad building too The old one The one before the Brooklyn one Yeah, the one before the Brooklyn one That's what I mean, they had a few Sidney Crosby's return in a Garden shed And CBC

Picked the game up And I was The reason I remember this is they put me in charge of the uh the stream in the chat for the stream which i had done for the leaf so i was like oh there should be a piece of cake i was completely overwhelmed by the amount of people who wanted to watch that freaking game of course and it was a smash success because they put it on a big stage it's sort of if i remember correct it sort of had like the day to itself there was there wasn't a whole lot else going on and people gathered for the moment that's how this should have been pushed

that's how this should have been hyped up i i agree like you move heaven and earth to not just give this like an okay situation canada the states you move heaven and earth to make this game as big as possible you advertise it weeks ahead of time days ahead of time you make it so that we cannot friggin forget that it's connor versus connor now it's two western conference teams it's a team in the central time zone and the team in the mountain time zone i'm not asking for it to be put on at seven o'clock on eastern on the regular time aired at regular well it was late for the Oilers it started at eight locally which I didn't understand on a weekday on a Tuesday I don't understand like that's not like even if the ratings end up being good I don't know what

they are it's not as marquee as possible and they delivered Badar got the first goal on a crazy wrist shot whole I don't know what he's doing to make the puck and his stick do that he it's stupid It's speed and power, and what he's doing is so much more impressive given the nothing around him. I'll never forgive the Leafs for dropping two to those guys. I won't forgive you guys for missing this one detail. Okay. So, okay, let's say it was a national game.

Let's say it was picked up. Because, by the way, the option exists. You can do it. Well, I was able to watch it, but I have, like, the I work in hockey package. yes which is you you can write this literally right yeah yeah so you're you're saying that somebody in the nhl scheduling department looked at conor mcdavid versus conor bedard for the first time ever and said you know what this should probably be on a wednesday well i'm not saying that they necessarily even i think i think sportsnet being a rights holder could have said

to the nhl can we put this nationally i'm sure the nhl would have said yes i think that's i think i think that's entirely possible as we just heard with pittsburgh picking up or sorry cbc picking up a pittsburgh islanders game you can do it it's just they didn't i i like i think you can i'm sure the nhl would be like no no keep it regional please yeah but you can avoid that is what i'm saying but that's not even the detail i want to get into okay not even the detail i want to get into the detail i want to get into is the fact that when the game started far as i know anyway both mcdavid and bedard were sitting on the bench fuck off and at very least at least what i'm seeing from the shift charts here if bedard was playing he was going up against yanmark mcleod

fogel cc and nurse that's who the oilers rolled out there to start you know what guys talk to the nhl teams beforehand and say i'm sorry we got to do this but just like in sweden when they started all the swedes on the first shift you put bedard and you put mcdavid out there that was end of story that was just i i gotta say this we needed west mccauley on the case you think so i'm not even kidding remember that one time where he kicked both centers out of the face off so that matthew and brady kachuk could be in the opening yes face off against each other which is like if you're a coach are you not tearing your hair out of that like what like what happened if that resulted in a goal you know what i mean you probably lose your mind you need someone like

west to step in and be like get the kid and mcdavid on the ice together you wieners and they didn't pk suban was tweeting about it you have to what are you doing i don't even have a problem with sending out a particular line to shadow uh bedard all game opening face off get him out there get the both of them out there i assume that's not what luke richardson wanted you probably want to keep bedard away from mcdavid but get him out there man that sucks sell the game a little bit please sell the game anyway uh you're the blackhawks what are you trying to do win uh put him out there mcdavid has in the eight games since knoblock took over 18 points that's it yeah uh i think it's yeah it's eight games and he when he

took over when knoblock took over mcdavid was 59th in points and i believe he is now eighth did you see the stat i had the other day did i see the stat you had the other day mcdavid on twitter oh on twitter okay yeah what is it that's i didn't i was i'm not arrogant enough to be like i put it in the notes app on my phone i wondered if you do you know it in a chat or something like i'm in several chats with you no no my bad so this is so silly the other day i tweeted mcdavid has 884 career points that's nuts i think one game has gone by he has 888 given the season he had last year he could hit a thousand and the streak he's on now there it's very unlikely he hits a thousand but it's not impossible how many how many points does

he have currently career right no no oh season uh after the start he had he has 38 points in 24 games okay so last year he had 150 points right last year he had 153 points in 82 games which is just over 1.8 points per game when i sent the tweet he needed exactly two points per game to hit a thousand if he stays on if he stays on track he's gonna do it he he honestly by the end of the season assuming he stays healthy we're gonna be at least talking about the lead up to mcdavid hitting a thousand it's gonna be close yeah it'll be either at the very beginning of next season or the end of this season like he's he's a mutant he's a complete mutant like Tavares just hit a thousand how old is he uh he was drafted first overall 2009 and what's McDavid McDavid was

drafted first overall 2015 six years later Tavares is 33 so six year difference McDavid's gonna beat him to a thousand to give you an idea of like so McDavid is gonna smoke Tavares smoke him To give you an idea, Tavares is on pace to get more points than Martin Saint-Louis in far fewer games than Saint-Louis needed. John Tavares is on pace to get more points than Daniel Sedin in fewer games, like maybe 200 fewer games. Yeah, and where does Sedin sit in top all-time points? Like 73rd, I think. and mcd mcdavid like tavaris became the 98th person to ever hit a thousand so which means mcdavid depending on injuries could enter the top 100 scores of all time this year

this season he will be in the top 100 basically guaranteed by the end of next season yeah before he leaves his 30s 20s by the end of next season mcdavid will be in like the top 70 all-time in points because right now at 70 is dave taylor and he's got 1069 yeah he's gonna by the end of the 2025 season mcdavid's gonna be top 60 all-time in points he's gonna turn 27 in january that's nuts yeah he's a freak that's insane this is crazy he's fun to watch it's so fun to watch wow where is mcdavid right now in all time so he's got 888 let me get to the page he's currently sits 888 there he is he's tied with he's tied with butch goring he just passed brad marchand well they're gonna be going ahead 400 less games yeah yeah so wow 128 to connor

mcdavid like half the games he's gonna pass peter bondra brad park ray ferraro tony amante Bobby Orr within the next 20 games he'll pass Bobby Orr and he's going to do it faster than Bobby did it too if he keeps going look at these names you freak of nature

I'm telling you man Connor1000 watch I'm getting in on this nice and early listen it's unlikely it's going to be extremely difficult to do the fact that it's even remotely possible it's amazing you extraterrestrial who are you how many career girls points sorry does uh phil

castle have career point oh i know this i looked it up the other day uh 992 he's eight away from a thousand somebody's got to sign someone give him like a hundred games to get there yeah because he's not scoring a lot he's not gonna get a lot so he needs quite a big game yeah somebody who's not in the playoff picture should sign phil like chicago like come on sign him yeah by the way can i ruin your day yes because grav ruined mine uh if the if if the season ended today okay the team with the best shot at macklin celebrini would be you're fucking the blackhawks their last right oh i thought you were gonna say edmonton no no the blackhawks no the edmonton oilers by points percentage are like a point out of the playoff yeah they're no they're yeah you

asked for i told you their standings update where did i have i mean they're not gonna win every game forever they might i dude it's like tell me tell me what game you're out of when mcdavid and dry side are in the lineup and playing well but not remember i was talking about not just how many points they're back but how many teams are between them in a playoff spot i forgot to mention that it's just a list of mid do you want me to tell you right now sure zero they're in a playoff spot teams between them in a playoff spot they are the first team out of the western wild card race it is uh they have 27 points and the next up is the arizona coyotes who have 28 and the edmonton oilers have two games in hand oh wow so if the edmonton oilers win their games in hand

they will be in a playoff spot what and look at nashville those fucking cockroaches like who's on that team you guys put a lot of disrespect on the predators in your in our previews just saying because who's on the team just saying okay i can live with that The Oilers are, I mean, they're pretty far back of all the Pacific teams. The one I can't live with is the Canucks one, though. My previews were, they're way, way, way better than anybody could have expected. Three straight, baby. The Preds, I'm like, nah, I'll live with that.

Can we just talk about how the Kings have lost two games on the road? You suck. But the two teams I was really banking on are Seattle and Minnesota, and they have just been brutal. I'm so upset with Seattle. all they had to do was be career average players and they would have been fine they straight up super mario starred their way through like five teams in a week and a half they can't score like seattle yeah oh i was talking about edmonton yeah oh no adam adam

was talking about how disappointing he was in seattle yeah he can't defend by points percentage spoilers are already better than arizona um well the san jose sharks won again steve uh they beat the jets who couldn't score it was two to one embrace the truth i'm a shark's truther they're good they're i think 29th now they're they're still like negative 50 goal differential or something because they just got three wow oh man because they just got like they got caved they got caved in the first month slaughtered yeah slaughtered like a sub nhl team yep uh oh 10 and one in their first 11 games since then they're better than like middle of the pack and one thing that happened at the beginning of the season like how is that happening the ducks won a couple games

and then now they've come back down to earth where they're one and nine in their last 10 and the sharks have passed them in the standings i was like that makes a little bit more sense because the talent on the sharks is there like they don't have a lot but there's guys there who can they're at least competitive and can hold their own like the ducks i look as as a wasteland decor is a bit tough yeah uh dude mckenzie blackwood and capo kakanen have held the fort man those are nhl goalies those are nhl goal yeah but like there was a time this season where it's like the sharks they're playing and they're starting kaken in hammer whoever they're playing put down a hundred dollars and win four the greatest game of the season so far was edmonton san jose dude that

night we all stayed up and watched everyone and i was tweeting i was live tweeting i'm like we're all sickos we're all pieces of shit for watching this what a fun game and then the sharks won They did it. Yep. They won. No, they're not just seven. Sorry. Nine, seven and two since the losing streak.

They're six, two and two in their last 10. They're one of the hotter teams in the NHL. Okay. Legitimately. Definitely not the Leafs who are nine, one and three in their last 14 or sorry, 13. They're straight up good. Yeah. Wow.

Straight up good. I wanted to say, you know, the Miko Rantanen quote, we don't even need to play it. But the one where he was like, hey, my teammates. I hate Artur Lechman's dad. Yeah, yeah. Arturi Lekkonen's dad was talking shit about me, basically. And Lekkonen's, by the way, injured. Everybody thought that that was, like, Finnish humor, and I did, too.

Oh, no. Turns out it was absolutely true, and he's pissed. Oh, he's mad. So, Arturi Lekkonen's father, like, is this older than him? He's a commentator on hockey in Finland. Yeah. Yes. He's one of us, except in Finland.

Yeah. Yeah. And he said that Rantanen this summer had too much going on, and it wasn't working hard. Yeah. And I think he's saying through, I watched CJ's insider trading on TSN this morning. So I guess his dad is like trying to reach out to Mikko Rantanen to say, to clarify, because the insinuation in the English translation is that he was partying. But Mikko Rantanen has a bunch of charitable and business obligations in Finland that he,

you know, puts money into and that sort of thing. And I guess that's what, you know, it's like that might've distracted you anyway. Not good. Spicy. That is very spicy. I saw that. Here's a quote that none of us ever would have even known about. No.

And he's like, that's my motivation tonight. Dude, the Finnish contingent, the little Finnish contingent that follows around NHL teams, especially the Owl Age, they do a great job. Yeah, they also get great interviews. The players are very, very honest with them, which is something we're not used to in North America. Finland punches above its weight in sports. like the amount of great finnish formula one drivers you're like it's a snowy country and they're they're some of the best drivers ever from finland floorball yep floorball there you go uh i've gotten into it i'm a champion by the way craig craig berube uh was fired uh and yeah last

night and uh obviously what was it banister banister yes taking over um that's funny for a reason that will be apparent late in december yeah a bonus uh st louis general manager doug armstrong mr family elliot freeman says the team hired brad richards as a consultant to look over the team's power play and send some suggestions doug armstrong also said this and i thought you guys would find this interesting because he's not he did a press conference while we were doing the show today so i don't have all the direct quotes but doug armstrong on his tenure with the blues if i get fired in the next hour i get hit by the by a bus in the next hour i don't feel like i don't feel today like i've left the blues any better than where i found them that's an awful

feeling so he's what you you won a cup what are you talking about dougie crazy but you know what if you look at some of the moves like the petrangelo thing not choosing him was a disaster they should have chosen him sure did they not choose him or did he just go no they chose tory krug yeah they chose tory krug's contract and they thought they could get out without him and And then they tried to trade Torrey Krug, and Krug said no. I think they made some – that bet is a bad one. Binnington has not panned out for them the way I think they thought. You know what that reminds me of big time?

Who? Remember the Sens had to choose between Wade Redden and Zidane O'Chara? And they chose Redden. They chose Redden. Redden was out of the league in a year and a half. It wasn't long. No, he signed with New York. He signed with New York, and then he was out of the league.

He might have been traded to New York. I'm not sure. All I know is he was the highest paid player in the AHL for quite some time. No escrow as well. My favorite one of that one is when the Canucks chose Luongo over Corey Schneider, but then also didn't choose Luongo. They were like, okay, so we're going to move Schneider because Luongo's our guy, and then we're not going to play him and then trade him,

so we're going to get nothing out of this. But it's okay because we have a guy who's going to replace him. Oh, wait, no, we don't. we're just going to have this enormous vacuum and be bad it was it was such a strange era sit on our hands and wait until jake markstrom's good oh good he's good oh we're gonna let him leave to the flames immediately um a wade redden signed with the new york rangers on july 1st 2008 it was a six-year 39 million dollar deal and they chose him and lost what's interesting about that deal is that is a history-making deal for one reason can you remember it no no when the new york rangers

found out that way redden wasn't good enough anymore they put them on waivers and they sent them down and back then you could send somebody down and recapture their entire cap wow so they got his entire cap back and that's when the nhl during the next cba negotiation said yeah no more of that yeah because wouldn't just everyone do that isn't it funny that a deal that was struck in 2004 2005 like we lost that season so 2005 we strike a deal yes it took four years for a GM to go you know we could just send them down what this is what we talk about all the time like there's just a genuine lack of creativity uh in a lot of NHL front offices there's more today yeah obviously on account of there's a triple hard cap and most teams are over it

um but like that that was a that was a dark time dark times of uh figuring stuff out with uh armstrong having drew bannister be his new head coach and all that stuff i think it is perfect that the berube era in the blues tenure ended with villi husso defeating jordan binnington that was the other bad choice they made that was the straw that broke the camel's back husso getting his revenge on mr binnington krug over petrangelo and binnington over who so and you can make the argument oh well they had to choose binnington they'd already re-signed him i don't care find a way uh i mean hockey should just be called goalie like if you if you're if you decide uh you're not gonna get shit for binnington even if you gotta pay to get rid of them

might have been worth it man what do they say what do they say about air when you when you when you have air you don't think of you think about it less than one percent of the time when you don't have air it is a hundred percent it's like when you have a goalie you don't really think about it but when you don't you think about it all the time no the the hockey one is uh if you have a good goalie it's 70 percent of your game if you have a bad goalie it's a hundred percent yeah yeah that's it and now really who still hasn't had the best year like alex lion's gonna take uh his starting job but that's besides the point still perfect i mean uh joel hoffer we thought would take bennington's job by now but yeah um the blues they're it's such a weird situation because

they're not that far out but i guess this little losing streak is like too much to take and they don't seem and they're not on the way up you know they're not on the way down they're not on the way up and some of that falls on the general manager obviously i i guess armstrong thought that the lineup was better than what uh they're getting out of it so you switch the coach to see but now that you fire the head coach the classic thing next up is the players so doug armstrong you fire the head coach now there's no onus uh left on anybody else on the team besides the players so he's now free to make the moves in the lineup that he wants to and he can't say like oh it's the coach's fault and all that stuff so i think it's a smart decision by him to go wholesale

changes with the blues lineup uh-oh pittsburgh buckle up that's dubas's favorite trading partner yeah loves making deals with doug arms juba said by the all-star break um they will have they will do a full look at the roster and the performance and make some decisions i'm telling you penguins blues trade in january uh it's coming sabers former sabers tough guy rob ray who is now the color commentator between the benches took a puck to the face i don't know if you saw the picture and he kept broadcasting direct to the forehead and it's a big forehead rob ray has a pumpkin head he sure does uh as a guy who has one too him and ty domey both have permanently big heads because they swelled each other up.

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Now, I thought you would find this interesting. I have not seen the press conference. Obviously, we've been on the air. But during a press conference, usually you're there so that reporters can get clarity on a situation. Ted Leonsis apparently walked out, they made their statements, and took zero questions from reporters. Yeah, I thought these quotes were very funny

back-to-back on my timeline. Ian Olin from Russian Machine never breaks. Ted Leonsis, hold me accountable. I promise we'll do the right things the right way to all the communities we serve. And then, like minutes later, from Sam Fortier, Ted Leonsis declined to take questions from reporters following the event,

and ian goes there is a time and a place to ask questions and apparently it's not at a press conference um pedley owns this is uh he's a fucking criminal right now like he's being a giant asshole about this like all billionaires this man is right now acting like the cheapest person on earth like he has no money the reason he wants to move the the wizards and the washington capitals is because the city won't give him 600 million dollars that's what he wants out of the taxpayers of washington dc and now he's forced them to pony up 500 million that was the original ass was 600 and for years they refused to do it because capital one arena does need upgrades it's built in 1997 and the lifespan of an arena for that much use is about 20 years you know and then

you get smaller right and then you need the major upgrades to get it into the modern times because every 20 years is kind of a new rebuild that you need to do it's kind of right in line with ovechkin's career yeah and he wants 600 million dollars out of taxpayer money to do it because his his company is gonna pony up 200 million and it's about 800 million dollars in upgrades that they want to do so now he's gotten the city to commit to 500 million dollars and he's worth 2.8 billion dollars this man can fund it himself but he wants to do it through taxpayer money because like most billionaires he's a cheap asshole it's a disgrace that he's gonna move this team uh 30 minutes down the road to northern virginia when the perfect location for it is in

the middle of dc yep it's a real shame yeah all i've seen from locals is this friggin sucks um and i haven't really seen anyone from virginia like yeah fuck yeah also like i i don't ever i don't feel like it was ever a big deal to the people who live there just because um i didn't realize how close together like uh virginia maryland and virginia baltimore uh dc i had no idea how close together they were until i went there for the book thing the washington commanders play in maryland like that's where fedex field is like i did not know that yeah it's right there yeah they're all they're all right there um so i'm confused now uh i mean in part because leon's just didn't answer any fucking questions uh are they going like are they leaving for sure

for sure so no they're not leaving now now that he's made this like hard line i'm i'm gonna break ground in virginia and everything now dc is coming back to him and being like okay we're gonna try and pass this legislation where we give you 500 million dollars to upgrade the arena so that maybe you can change your mind here and stay but he's like he's come out and he's posturing being like i'm committed to going to northern virginia and they're like okay but like maybe not you know come here stick back and in the is it the mayor you said is not the mayor who made the new legislation adam uh yeah the the mayor and the councilman mendelson the camp the councilwoman who i think proposed the actual bill yeah uh they're like okay what about this so there's a

there's a shot here that they just upgrade capital one and everything stays the same but we'll see if he's okay with 500 million like ah i needed my extra 100 million so i'm gonna go to virginia so we'll see so so virginia governor glenn yunkin uh helped share these plans uh to make potomac yard potomac yard uh the new home of the sports arena it will be a uh there will be a full 70 acre district so it'll be the new wizards practice facility state-of-the-art monumental sports network media studio nothing like sdpn studios though i bet uh six thousand uh six seat performance arts venue uh expanded esports facility global headquarters for um for ted leone's company uh new retail restaurants conference and community gathering spaces too like they

to be honest with you it looks pretty spectacular uh it's just that i think you know i like it does look like from the renderings like it could be really cool yeah but um and i'm just anything Anything you sink half a billion dollars into will look cool. Of course, it's going to be a modern facility with a whole complex around. Of course, it's going to look cool. But the reason he's going there is because he doesn't have to pay most of it. The Virginia is willing to say, we're going to fund this with taxpayer money. So Ted Leone wants to run away and go do that because he can spend less money, even though he's a billionaire.

I love when the little guy wins, don't you? ABC 7 News that Monumental Sports and Entertainment, which is the company that owns the teams, plans for expansion will not replace Capital One Arena. They hope to update the arena and continue using it for concerts, NCAA men's and women's games. The WNBA Mystics and the D.C. Go-Go also remain there as well. So it's yeah, this is fascinating because you've got a local government in D.C., which is its own district, going up against the governor governor's office in Virginia. And Ted Leonsis, the billionaire, is like, well, I'm going to play you both off each other until somebody offers an outrageous package. I can't say no. To me, it doesn't look good for Caps and Wizards fans who want the team to stay in D.C.

I think Ted Leonsis is going to chase the more money, and he probably will commit to this plan. But I hope that what they've offered now to upgrade that arena from the Washington City Council, I hope that's enough for him to reverse course on this whole thing. like because it's a real shame it seems like caps fans aren't happy about it yeah it's it's uh out of the way like it's 30 minutes down the road also like at the time that this all takes place like when they will allegedly move there's a real good chance that team sucks ass there's a real good chance yeah so which is a huge factor in this whole thing yeah like i don't know you're going to have this like i don't know i'm just saying you're you're doing all this to get as much money as possible out of these two governments but then you're probably going to have a hockey

team that no one's going to want to go watch on account of you're going to stink and lose i think you can turn around that team before then probably you think so yeah well like i look at the washington bullets and wizards like they're two of the or one of the most poorly run franchises in the NBA and have been for forever. Yeah, like they're not good and they won't be good for a while and it falls a lot on the owner and the way he's been running the team for forever.

They've wanted Masai Ujiri for years. I wonder if, like I know Masai has wanted to stay here. I think they offered him a piece of the franchise. Like that's how badly they wanted him. Thanks for the ring. That's enough. If Masai and the Raptors go their separate ways, I wonder if Masai takes over the Wizards because that's been

a conversation for a while. I wanted to leave you guys with this unless we're doing a press conference. Are we doing a press conference? We don't have to. Okay. I want to leave you with this story. Friday. Because we were talking a little bit about the Olympics in Milan.

There was a $100 million plus budget error. As one will have. Now, people were like, hey, this is why Gary's upset about the hockey arena. No, don't let him tell you that. There's a hockey arena already there that sits 4,000 people, which is their local team. It's an NHL size. And it's actually, I think it's international sized. and that is an nhl sized arena no no i mean nhl in terms of seats yeah it's good enough for the

coyotes it should be fine for the olympics uh this hundred million dollar plus budget error has left italy potentially unable to host sliding events at the 2026 winter olympics what are sliding events so that's bobsled skeleton uh luge uh anything that's a yeah it's a pretty pretty big event kind of under discussed thing about italy is they have no money and italy is really for what i understand italy's really good at that stuff they're great at alpine sports because they have man i thought you were gonna say it not having money oh no i don't right now they're killing it killing it a lot yeah so they're killing it not having money right now italy's bobsled skeleton and luge events could be held in this is the backup plan virginia lake placid

Northern Virginia. What? So, front office sports is reporting. What are we doing? It's not going to happen. It's not.

It can't happen. Imagine you work your whole life to go to the Olympics and it's like, sorry, you can't go to the Olympics. Whoever reported that is fishing for clicks.

That's not happening. What are we doing? David Rumsey from front office sports. There's no fucking way. How does that get beyond what if we did this?

Dude. um uh the american german and austrian and also swiss olympic committees have been contacted to service potential sliding hosts if necessary switzerland next door yeah that makes sense yeah um yeah yeah so i guess not being held in new york hilarious though if lake placid ends up holding the winter olympic events medal ceremonies would be held in new york to honor the winners uh uh which is hilarious um why stop there thousand miles away no do they still do they still have the facilities in nagano let's just go there well i guess bring about the calgary all of them have been talked to american german austrian and swiss the americans

said yeah we'll take it it's not gonna go to lake fucking no way is it gonna like no way i just thought you'd find that interesting that's insane that that got passed steve you're so right that that got passed like what if this happened what if we did this what if okay see this ocean all right go to the other side of that and then like how did nobody say no the problem the problem i'm having with this story like from a hockey perspective with the arena is like i have a deep distrust of the nhl and then there's the international olympic committee yeah or the worst sporting body on planet earth they're like besides maybe fifa yeah i just gotta say fifa's gotta be a little they're like they're like neck and neck for one two that's why when they get all

high and mighty about drugs it's like dick pound his real name yeah i can't believe that's real who's the head of anti-doping also a canadian guy when he gets uppity about the nhl and he's like oh there's doping and they're not checking i'm like are you kidding look at your own backyard all right let's talk about doping let's talk about corruption let's talk about sports washing dick I can't oh it's his name one thing I've heard throughout the years that I don't think is the worst

idea is you build Olympic Island or Olympic City so you have one location and that's where the Olympics is held every four years or every two years no I think we should bankrupt one city worldwide every four years

sorry every two years because that is how the modern Olympics have come is nobody wants to host the olympics because you lose millions of dollars of billions of dollars every single time the olympics come through and you're left with these facilities that sit dormant for years and are unused eventually until they tear them down well it's it's unless you're a dictatorship and it doesn't matter yeah you know that's why they go to so many sochi olympics sochi right now is a wasteland yes like the none of that is being used and they were supposed to like turn it into

this like global city and all the stuff after we have the olympics and now it's just sitting that was never it's a beach town it is it's where russians go to the beach yeah yeah but it's none of it's being used as was attended as intended sorry pictures of the greek olympic ones from 2004 it's it's like greece also doing great yeah well this is the thing man i agree with that the other thing they used to do with the olympics in in more i guess times where they weren't splashing money so much as they would just use the facilities they had no you must build new everything like why do you have to build new everything you don't have the money i got one if they're losing money basically every time they do this why do they want it so bad i don't get it what do you mean

a lot it's politics what like i brought the olympics here okay did it make us money well no well no but it's that's not a feather i brought the olympics here here's all of the stuff i built like i'm gonna i'm gonna get all of these new buildings and facilities and sports places and all these entertainment complexes and i brought the olympics and it's politics i want to know about the like the stuff in toronto for the commonwealth games like remember they built a bunch of stuff like like scarborough canary district they built all those condos to house the people and then they turned then they sold them they sold the condos that's why the canary district exists which is good because it was previously fuck all yeah well if you go yeah it

was just a empty and then if you go to calgary uh the saddle dome was built for the olympics um all the all the canadian skiers and bobsledders and everybody they all train at the calgary 1988 olympic facilities they they have used them ever since because in canada if you did that like if you had an olympics and then let all that stuff fall to shit people would lose their minds i think vancouver i was trying to look up the stats but i can't find it i think vancouver's like the one olympics of the last i think it's like 15 that was profitable for the community and for the city like the way they manage the olympics was actually the way you're supposed to do it and they are the exception to the rule and all it took was canada winning gold in more things than they've

ever won gold in and uh a storybook disney ending to hockey that will basically never be replicated but that's all it took the housing that they built the olympic village that they built is just like now their liberty village you know like they they did actually a smart way to how to build the the olympics facilities out in vancouver and now housing in vancouver notably very cheap yeah super cheap yeah dude uh they say it generated about 1.05 billion dollars into the canadian gdp wow you could you could like hold virginia hostage twice for that you could basically ransom your nhl and nba team twice i think there's a reason why the the states keeps putting them back in the same cities like lake placid's had them twice and california's

had them a few times like la has had they're going back to la next one yeah because it's like we already have it yeah and every once in a while the olymp the ioc has to say well yeah we do work with democracies too um beijing had two olympics in like two years yeah yeah because they're like all right we're already set up all right let's do the next one let's do let's do winner this time uh you know no one's gonna go right on account of the panda yeah we don't care it's fine it's all good yeah fine stupid anyway fucking corrupt that was that was the most visually strange olympics of all they were just the biggest stadiums ever created in human history no one there do you remember the super bowl during the pandemic where half the

crowd was like fake crowd what no yeah they had like cardboard cutouts oh i do remember that you guys remember yeah the super bowl or just or maybe i'm thinking about the world series both of them i held the world series it's the world series i'm thinking because they held the world series the neutral they held it in uh florida right because florida was like we're open and that guy on i can't remember what team or what the guy's name was but they're like you have covid you can't play and then they won and he came out and celebrated with everyone and just went congrats boys super glad that we won it was on the field celebrating but yeah half the crowd was like cardboard it looked really cool but like yeah it was awful that's wild yeah wow the last five years

hey guys what's your favorite covid memory yeah not seeing steve or jesse for years or we didn't see jesse i didn't see steve for like a year just every day on the side i saw you every day every day every fucking day no i came and waved at you on your birthday uh when you were going through a divorce yeah on a rainy day it was really happy yeah and then i uh and then and that was it we couldn't even hug each other that was it oh my god yeah it was dark man some dark times so anyway it's nice now it is nice all right so we'll wrap it up there and we will see you friday it's gonna be fun cj show tomorrow too yeah the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e

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