The Steve Dangle Podcast - Wake Up Call | October 18, 2024

Starting point is 00:00:00 the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake yeah baby yeah yeah yeah where were you when craig marume said wake the fuck up wake up in my basement go hunting let's hunt were you watching in your basement yeah why aren't you watching the living room oh no he has to get loud i have to yeah there's people sleeping upstairs yeah also i bet the lucky couch is down there jesse you know the least lucky couch no that's that i think that's long done is that good yeah yeah no like seven straight times i don't know i don't know if you can still count on the luck there i abandoned the idea that where i put my ass affects anything yeah oh that's good i'm glad i'm glad we got to that point now uh before we get to all the stuff

Starting point is 00:00:50 that i want to get to i want to remind you that the oshawa generals peterborough pete's steve angle podcast night is coming up uh you're gonna get to watch ben danford and winnipeg jets first round pick colby barlow just traded there yeah and a whole bunch of other great players in oshawa with us the sdp will be in one section well we have a couple sections actually so based on the ticket amounts we have the tickets are 40 bucks you get to go to the game and you get to come to the bar and and do the thing afterwards and jesse you actually checked out the venue yeah and you said it was sick oh yeah yeah the place we'll be doing the live event it's like across the street from the arena it is so cool it just opened this year they gave me a little tour of the whole thing

Starting point is 00:01:29 it's like three floors they have a couple different venues and funnily enough offset is gonna be playing there on the same night no not the same night i'm just gonna say we might not outdraw him after i think it's it might be before it might be like coming up soon but it's like around us offset is gonna be there in one of the venues for um the school that's there that's their like frosh thing they're bringing offset to oshawa what who's the school jess uoit yeah i don't know whatever the university there is in oshawa university oh yeah they're bringing so we're playing the same venue except not the same room so we're opening for offset essentially okay yeah it's not bad we're on we're in the basement one which is it's so sick it's gonna be one of our

Starting point is 00:02:12 best setups ever you'll see it if you can't be there live you'll watch it on camera afterwards because we always post our live shows but offsets on the like second floor one which is this bigger venue and i don't know how they fit it in there you know you walk in you're like oh my god there's a giant stage and everything so it's awesome okay yeah i love it i didn't know i had so much info on that no i love that oshawa loves a live show they do you know what that i wish that we had more of that downtown because i love a live show and oshawa seems to be the only place that they're happening anymore i once saw my dad play yeah yeah an atomic tomb whenever there's like something going on like st patrick's day or something it's like oh come see this live band and there's 40

Starting point is 00:02:51 million of them and they're all in oshawa and oh and i miss that like halifax is like that every day love a live band it's give me a live band it was last night offset played for the durham college students uh durham college durham college they brought offset to their frosh week and it was last night so that's sick offset open for us wow okay how lucky for him what was the more popular opening act uh for a live show that we've done offset for upcoming for us he opened for us he opened for us offset cardi b's ex-husband yeah i was a member of the migos the former migos isn't around anymore but that's right if anybody doesn't know he opened for us yes um or is opening for us um or our greta live show we had two of the vanderpump rule guys

Starting point is 00:03:37 oh jack taylor and tom schwartz yeah jack schwartz and uh jacks taylor tom schwartz my girlfriend freaked out we went a couple weeks beforehand to check out the venue take some pictures and all that and then we saw the poster on the wall and i sent it to my girlfriend gabby and she freaked out like she's like why are you guys doing this it's the money must be so good oh the money's insane yeah i don't know how any of those guys are still friends yeah because like schwartz his best friend just minked like jacks right in the forehead yeah but that was season one man no it was a good punch that was the money the money is a long time yeah the money's amazing yeah the money's crazy so those guys show up they do an hour and they walk away with thousands and thousands

Starting point is 00:04:19 of dollars so are they bigger than offset uh no i think offset would be a lot worth a lot more because offset's gonna have to bring equipment and all that stuff too yeah and he's probably like there's probably more going on when offset comes to town does that make sense it's also a school paying for it so like you know when the schools pay for it it's like the casino the casino roots those guys those bands that play casinos those rates are like double what they would be if i went on tour the thing about the school paying for it i was a part of a school student association that were you really made i wasn't a part of the association but i was a member of the school that made

Starting point is 00:04:55 news across Canada. I think I remember that. We paid for Drake to come to our school. You don't remember when the Ryerson Student Union got investigated because we spent money wildly? That one kid who was spending it on himself? And we brought Drake to Frosh Week.

Starting point is 00:05:11 It was not good. Durham College Student Association, I hope you're doing the right thing when you're spending all this money on our set. You are. Have fun. Enjoy this. This time in your life is so short. Spend that money who cares who cares yeah say your phone to steal yeah exactly well listen listen let's be honest it's not like these schools aren't making like insane profits all the time i'm sorry you're

Starting point is 00:05:34 gonna have you're gonna have to really twist my arm to get me to feel bad about any post-secondary education institute and their money remember how you gave us a big old bunch of tuition yeah could you continue to yeah long after yeah why don't you become a member of the alumni it's only the same as tuition no the the ryerson student union uh once had a credit card bill of 250 000 for a break just overall is that even possible that was that's i'm just reading the cbc headline so everybody's aware of what happened they kept going to salad king that's a lot of a lot of salad king um hey joining us on the show today uh a little bit later will be frank corrado uh Former Leaf, former Penguin, former Canuck, and also currently of TSN.

Starting point is 00:06:21 Yes. Friend of the show. Who stole him. He was a member on, he went on VIP this summer for anybody who is a member or a new member of VIP, because there's obviously streams going on. Steve's got one Saturday. I've got one Monday. Both are Leaf games, by the way.

Starting point is 00:06:34 Steve's got Leafs Rangers. I've got Leafs Lightning. And, you know, there's a lot of new members that come out of watching those streams. So if you are a new member, go back and check out the Michael Bublé episode, the Frank Corrado episode. there's more great guests and and all that stuff coming up too so um i wanted to say this and this was pointed out to me by one of our listeners on instagram so before we start anything before we talk about chief okay we need to talk about this all right and it's will will no actually it wasn't

Starting point is 00:07:03 will it was somebody else it was david sorry will david said this hey adam adam those aren't even close because they were right under each other on my instagram instagram does not make organizing your dms easy you guys know this you know this so david said hey guys or hey adam i was listening to the pod the other day and it was steve going through all the captains right uh-huh what i do wrong and i said i said oh no honors lee's not with the islanders anymore is he which sounds really stupid but then and it was david said i think you're talking about andre lee the guy on the kings for the kings that's exactly what i thought the second i saw him yes i was like so there is an honors lee and an andre lee and i got a dot lee and i was like oh and for whatever

Starting point is 00:07:51 reason that registered my head is it must be anders lee and i will do no investigation further on it and that's the way to go that's what happened how did you how did you think andre lee because it was free agency and there was a lot going on yeah but he didn't sign in free agency But there was something with him. He's a Kings draft pick, and this has played five career games. No, they're the same. Exactly. That's the seventh round pick that made the NHL, sir.

Starting point is 00:08:17 From 2019. I don't know when it would have come up. Maybe did he re-up his deal? I think so. Maybe his ELC expired. Because he played three years with the Reign, right? Yeah. Yeah, maybe the ELC.

Starting point is 00:08:30 Expired, excuse me. I can check Puckpedia for that. Anyway, Andre Lee, my apologies. From Karlstad, Sweden. oh yeah it looks like he signed a new rfa deal here so there you go yeah see yeah all right good old puck p all right as i said it registered my head and i did zero investigation afterwards hence why i said what i said the other thing i want to say confidence too like i was like yeah maybe they don't have andersley uh i'm gonna try i can't find the guy that sent it to me but i do want to

Starting point is 00:08:57 shout him out because i'm not gonna get the name wrong call him will no ryan yeah there's one one One or the other. Somebody reached out to me, and they were like, listen, I don't want to blow your ego up here. But I think Jake Markstrom was listening to the show on Wednesday. Because we were talking about, and it was a silly topic, as often it is. We were talking about, I said,

Starting point is 00:09:23 if any goalie ever got to two goals in a season, because we had a goalie goal earlier this week, that would be crazy. But if anybody ever got to three, That would be impossible to ever replicate again. The equivalent of scoring 276 goals. Yeah, for context, there's never been two goalie goals by different people in a season. Right, 17 all time.

Starting point is 00:09:43 The fact that you're asking for one person to do it twice is impossible. The fact that you're asking for one person to do it three times is even more impossible. I want it. Here's what I'm here to say. I said at the time, I'm like, the guy I want to try to do it is Jake Markstrom. 100%. Because Jake Markstrom was the inspiration for what? if you're a goaltender

Starting point is 00:10:01 why he never does it he just gets out he just gets out all the time Jake Markstrom God bless him last night versus Montreal had a bit of a shot at a goal and look what happened Jake this went completely underreported and I'm shocked

Starting point is 00:10:17 because why not go for it here's Jake Markstrom and no he does not pass it I don't know why I said Montreal it's Ottawa passes it's by everybody it gets stopped at like center ice he did go for it though and i just want to say shout out jake markstrom listener no here he is angle podcast doing his thing trying yeah now here's what i thought when i saw this replay that's i believe josh norris there uh i thought he would have

Starting point is 00:10:42 passed it right to josh norris and let josh norris go you are you want to hit here no on the number nine number nine am i wrong here yeah anyway whoever's jake either one you are a nut he's nuts like why would you not ring that around the boards there's two forwards jumping in on you like there are times where it's okay to go for it that ain't one of them yeah yeah yeah if if you tether him to the blue paint top five goalie in the show i think i think if you can't do it you said the same thing about peter barazic when he was playing in toronto if you could just put a bungee cord on from his pants to the back post he had no concept of where the goalposts were right no idea i've never seen a goalie like it oh neither did sammy in his worst moments in

Starting point is 00:11:25 his best moments he was good anyway shout out to jake this might have gone underreported because last night was one of those nights when you couldn't watch any of the games um the edmonton game was a regional blackout for anybody anybody in the toronto area you couldn't watch ottawa because it was on tsn so it was a local game uh you couldn't watch uh edmonton it was a local game so this sports not to block it out and i think it was the vancouver game as well i couldn't watch now if you have the sports net uber uber fat package can you watch those games i think there's away on sportsnet now too but i don't i don't get i don't have that right yeah so stream east sportsnet not yet is what it should be called it's uh it's very annoying watch everything yet

Starting point is 00:12:04 it's very annoying when there's three games uh featuring canadian teams and you can't watch any of them and they're good teams and they're good games you want to see them and i wanted to see conor mcdavid's first school and the most annoying things when you have the channel and you can't nothing else can be shown on the channel so like on on the tsn when they're showing the ottawa game like i can't watch anything on that channel that's just no it just just says you can't watch this like it has music and shit like you're like why yeah it's annoying the other thing uh sports that does it makes me feel very alone is when i'm streaming through the app when they go to their local commercial breaks you'll see the national ones when they go to their

Starting point is 00:12:40 local commercial breaks it'll just go sports net plus commercials in progress and there's like no music so you go from loud hockey gmc truck truck truck and then i know and we're all just sitting there looking at each other how about you sit there and be alone with your thoughts yeah it's 2024 i don't do that shit anymore you know who else weird shit is i don't know if you ever watch a baseball game on apple plus or apple yeah there's no uh there's nothing that happens in between the innings so why do they do that like all they show is it's like a camera and it goes back and forth pans across the the thing and i'm like okay give me a commercial or have the announcers talk no let them talk no it's so it can't it's the most odd decision i've ever seen

Starting point is 00:13:21 yeah i've never seen anything like that in sports so day one of broadcasting school they're like never swear in the booth never ever swear in the recording booth wherever you are um less of a problem now yes except the moment these shows go off air it's you know ray ferraro somebody fucking go man that was a stupid fucking play that was really fucking that's why they don't leave it on yes because the moment they're like and we're off air it's like they just go fuck oh Okay, sorry. I just had to get the fuck release valve. You can't have the announcers talking between the innings

Starting point is 00:14:02 because you can't have them on air for two and a half hours straight. I think that'd be a little much. But the idea should be air something. Put two more people. Steve Dangle podcast clips. Why are you just airing nothing, Apple? Put a panel in there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:15 Right? Anything. Have an intermission panel. No, literally anything. Anything. Other than nothing. Run Apple TV promos for the new. Like sugar.

Starting point is 00:14:25 that's the detective show i'm convinced nobody's ever watched but they're getting a season two anyway show the race that's totally real the what section is the loudest i'm cheering for the green blue jay yeah and then it's all like the and then you win like i don't know a coupon or something show that i'm entertained by that um anything anything anything um so listen jesse i've sent you a second a second link and i want you to bring it up because i need to know how you feel i would need to know how you feel do it i need to know how you feel when you see craig berube call a timeout in a 5-2 game that they're winning yeah 5-2 game that they're winning with 10 minutes to go in the third period how do you feel when you see craig berube's lips

Starting point is 00:15:18 mutter the words that you know that he's saying you can't hear him but he says wake the fuck up let's go hunting gain the offensive zone and so many other expletives that he could have included uh and i don't need to include here i don't want to get i don't want to get crazy i don't want to get crazy but how did you feel when you saw craig berube do that and the team respond so my it was a hurricane of emotion an unbelievable amount of emotion in three seconds because he calls a time out with a three goal lead after giving up back-to-back goals or was it back-to-back goals it was not back-to-back it was like three minutes in or two minutes in and then with nine minutes uh in not good or no yeah they were up five nothing and then uh yeah dollars loses the

Starting point is 00:16:00 shutout and they're like yeah who cares let's let another one in yeah that's how they were playing so this is in execution a perfect keith timeout this is an absolutely perfect keith timeout why because you have the lead you haven't even blown it you're just starting to and he has to be like hey boys let's all calm down

Starting point is 00:16:26 we do this and my reassuring Sheldon Keefe hand motions and blah blah blah good cop good cop good cop so when Berube calls this time out my blood ran cold a little bit because I'm like oh shit it's just the same

Starting point is 00:16:43 thing over and over and over and then I saw him yell and you could tell there's some heft there's there was there was diaphragm in there yeah wake the fuck up mount barubius

Starting point is 00:16:58 you know he I saw wake the fuck up and my nipples got hard that was my wife actually turned to me she's like is this turning you on I'm like it is man I was so nervous and not down with it at all and in one fell swoop i was like i think gregory awoken something in me

Starting point is 00:17:19 and that's the coach that's my coach chief daddy that is absolutely he can go by whatever title he prefers if he keeps doing that so so tell us and you outlined it in the lfr video but tell us why that is such a it's a culture shift it's they probably already know it but we're now seeing how things are going to be different okay babcock was bad cop which i've said an alarming amount of times and it's always difficult to say bad cop babcock was bad cop there you go tongue twister try it right now alone in your car pause the show um keith was forced to be over the top good cop and when he had to transition to disciplinarian when he had to lay down the law he like wasn't able to do it like i don't know if it was the team wouldn't let him or the players were like

Starting point is 00:18:19 yeah yeah we know what you're here to do or i don't know what it was new guy comes in and Craig Berube is so far what appears to be the perfect leader because he's not bad cop it's not that simple it's just very very clear instructions he's not there to be a dick he's not there to be there's nothing emotional about it Babcock would fuck with your head to establish dominance uh like him dominating you is more important than winning i think yes 100 and we know that because he's like all right i'll put nick patan in positions to fail um and we will lose this game ending our streak of uh not blowing i think we know that based on every anecdotal story yeah ever been told about them no but like there there's at least a few stories where it's like

Starting point is 00:19:22 he kind of fucked them out of winning this one just to be an asshole he was brutal john tavaris on the second half of a back-to-back starting a fucking how about garrett sparks and tavaris's return to the islanders get a fucking clue yeah get a heart get a brain anyway keith comes in and it's hey everything's cool baby everything's and they needed that yeah they did they did need that and by the way went on like a crazy 20 game streak where they won 15 games the kind of coach to hold your hand with both hands yes you know what i mean we're gonna get through this together what do you want for christmas i'm here in this moment where did you grow up i'm gonna let you be in the starting lineup um even if that's not your line we'll

Starting point is 00:20:03 figure it out after it's that happened a bunch of times yeah and we're gonna it's everything's cool sweet baby craig berube is like oh i i don't understand what what the fuck is this this you need me to be nice to you you want to be sorry you want to be in the starting lineup because you were you're on the third fucking shut up get to the end of the bench yeah go hunt north south make the simple play work every shift i looked at your paycheck for a lot of you it's bigger than mine fucking go hunt it's just clear instructions he's not there to big dog you he's not there to coddle you he's there to coach a hockey team to win hockey games and he gave them a very very clear instruction

Starting point is 00:20:57 there which was wake the fuck up because they weren't doing the things that he told them to do and then what happened they scored a goal they didn't allow anymore jesse question uh-huh and this just as an aside because i want to get back to this to reporter jesse in a second here but i want to i want to go to reporter jesse and i want to know what's he like in practice from what you've seen berube yeah he's he's not he's not yelly like i feel like keith was more in your face i'm gonna yell yeah uh he's very understated and he'll do things like in in the scrums he'll like tell a little joke like he'll if he's like oh i wanted the guys to everybody out there wanted to get a goal even i wanted to get that goal you know like i wanted to score

Starting point is 00:21:41 that and you're like haha that's kind of funny you know so i think he definitely coaches in a completely different way than sheldon keith like they're they're they're i think not polar opposites but different styles for sure and you see a certain level of buy-in with the guy just because a new person is there you know it could be the same message delivered a little differently but because it's a new person saying it you hear more of the buy-in from the guys right yeah and sometimes when you go from like 23 to 26 or 27 and you've had the same guy like that i thought i am convinced Keefe was the right choice on a lot of levels at the time I think that Dubas made a good choice I think the regular season results are them are themselves I think the reason that

Starting point is 00:22:20 they haven't got past the first round is largely due to power play and roster construction and also let's be honest Dubas never valued goaltending the way he should have you go back and you look at some of those goaltenders and you go yeah they played well and you're lucky but like you know when he's going let's line up Matt Murray and Peter Mrazik behind uh Marner Matthews Nylander that's not someone who takes the position as seriously as they should and i look at um i look at the team now and these are not boys anymore these are men and it feels like what i saw there was we're not going to coddle you we're gonna treat you like men yep we'll treat you like adults and when you're fucking up i'm gonna let you know and what was amazing it wasn't that he did it it

Starting point is 00:22:58 was that they responded that's what i was looking for yeah it was not i i plenty of coaches yeah we saw glenn galutz and throw his fucking stick into the the the crowd whatever years ago for the flames they didn't respond ruby doesn't need to he doesn't need to result to all that because he doesn't need to yell and scream to get his point across but he did there yeah there's yeah there's some thematics that come with yelling and screaming but most of the time yeah he doesn't need to do that to give his point but there's no pleading right yes with with keith it was like what the fuck like he he pleads with the team the way i do yes whereas berube that was a command here's what he said about it he said it was a feel thing for me i didn't like

Starting point is 00:23:40 what we were doing i just wanted to get a break there and bring everybody in and have a talk a little bit about getting our intensity level up talk yeah yeah it was a one-sided talk uh they were pushing hard i thought they pushed hard in the second period too our intensity wasn't good enough and that has been guys the knock against the leafs um for the last decade they take periods off talents there but they do take shifts and periods off and it's funny it's snowballs you're asking about practice one thing from practice that has been apparent like the the times i've been there is he loves drills in really small spaces and some of the guys there have been like oh i haven't seen this one before because it's not even like he'll do drills that are like cutting

Starting point is 00:24:22 the ice in half you know and we'll work from even red line in or blue line and he likes cutting the ice in a little corner so he'll stick two nets um along the sides of the boards and the guys will run with i don't know 20 guys out there because it's five on five on each side and they're both running drills in that little tiny space and when you're in those little tiny spaces that's where like the hard work's being done you know because you gotta really be on your edges in those tight areas and everybody around there is working for the puck and it's a single puck with just 10 guys in the corner of the ice so it's board play it's fighting yeah there's a lot of board battles and he's just trying to get that in them where it's here this is where the game's going to be won

Starting point is 00:24:59 in these tight areas that's where the entire Bruin series was played yeah along the boards well especially you can see him being like guys this is where we need to be working if you want to beat the Leafs or at least in the playoffs if you had one put them in the corners and it was it was you know the Leafs are surprisingly good and this is pre-Berube especially their best guys are really good with coming out with the puck like I think Marner's quite good at it I think Matthews is quite good at what we haven't seen though is when it's a dig in push situation we haven't seen the rest of the lineup like the the finesse guys can get the puck out there's different ways of doing it marner had like a really cheeky one uh against the kings and like i don't even think he

Starting point is 00:25:36 made body contact with the guy and i i wanted to i wanted to shout him out too no no he did really well but then you have nice who is a rhinoceros and it's really fun to watch freight train dude And then last thing with the game itself, you saw it on the, on just from a numbers perspective, it wasn't just like, hey, the Leafs stopped trying. No, literally on the scorecard, you can see them stop trying because in the first period, they were outshot attempted by LA. LA had 22 shot attempts and Toronto had 19. But on the actual shots on the net, Toronto had 12 and LA had nine. Wow. So even though they're shot out, shot attempted, and they had more shots on goal, which is awesome. Then the second period. That's developing into a bit of a theme where the other team gets more attempts, but the Leafs get more. Which is like, that's what we want. Execution.

Starting point is 00:26:24 They're taking a lot of shots, but you're stopping them from getting to the net. Like you're playing great hockey. They block a lot. You're blocking a lot. You're keeping to the outside. They're weak shot attempts. You're doing great for your goaltender. Then in the second period, where the Leafs won that period 2-0, like they only got 11 shot attempts on net.

Starting point is 00:26:41 And LA had 22. So we had 22. So back-to-back periods, LA has 22. this time and in that period they get 14 shots on goal oh yeah la that second period gets 14 shots on goal toronto only gets seven shots on goal and they only had 11 attempts so there you have a period you won but you were well outshot attempted and on this and and on the scoreboard and then the third period it happens once again but in that third period you see them allow two goals so in the second period if you're brube you saw what the least did in where they were outshot

Starting point is 00:27:12 attempted and shot out shot on gold but you can't complain because you won that period to nothing how are you going to yell at the guys when you're up to nothing but in the third you allow two goals and you're being outshot and you're not getting shot attempts and not getting shot on goals now the dam has broken and you must yell it and that's probably where you get the warning in the dressing room yes hey i know we're all feeling pretty good about that but i didn't like this about that yeah and then two goals go in and all of a sudden okay mean craig has to come the leafs If we're being honest, try to take the rest of the night off. It's mid-October.

Starting point is 00:27:44 You go up 3-0 in the first period. Let's try and coast for the rest of this thing, and let's just win it easily. And they almost did it. They almost did it in the second period, going up 2-0, and then everything just got too wonky in the third. Best teams don't do that. Florida and Boston are beating the shit out of each other like it's May. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:02 They don't care. I want to say that the other thing that we saw that was a real positive was – uh and by the way my wife is quickly becoming steve again she watches every game she's becoming we're married she's becoming i know she's becoming steve in the sense that that there is a uh a there is a dread that consistently is there so you see something good and it's like how do i find a way to feel bad about it and so what nat i'm so they're up thank you catholic for nothing for nothing in this in this second period and they're midway through the period i'm like god damn these guys look good but they had a few power plays and they hadn't scored and natalie's

Starting point is 00:28:40 like they haven't got a fucking power play goal this entire season so when you when you texted me that that she was freaking out about the power play i got a chuckle because i was actually very chill about it okay yeah that was that was a rare example of uh leaf's twitter um reacting to something more than i did right and natalie's not on twitter she doesn't have a twitter account they went over 10 and as soon as i knew they were going for the over 10 or now it's a talking point trying to avoid it yeah something about double digit but it was a good power play i thought it well it was it was starting to it feels like it's starting to come together but what i loved when neil anders scored that first power play goal and you pointed this out on the lfr as well

Starting point is 00:29:22 oh yeah yes is what is craig berube been begging not begging ordering these guys to do he doesn't beg go to the net he was begging go to the net and who's in front of the net when willie shoots mitch marner with the screen does not the goalie does not see it i don't know if it was kemper or not kemper uh i don't know if it was uh copley or or um i think was it i don't remember if copley was in for the fifth or the fourth yeah i mean i know he was in for the fifth i don't know but that would have been the fifth like we've been watching the entirety of marner's career and i think i remember it pretty well i don't remember a ton of those and i mean why would you send him to go do the screen but why wouldn't you well exactly because he on account he's a player and

Starting point is 00:30:11 the thing is with guys like this and people have this thing that mitch marner is small he's not the guy's like six foot six foot one he's felt he's felt but he's not even but he can get in and get out very quickly with a goalie right when you're taking your shot. The thing about Mitch is he's so shifty that you usually want to plant a big, heavy person in front of the net, and then your big, heavy defenseman

Starting point is 00:30:32 tries to move the big, heavy other person. You have a numbers advantage. Well, you have that too. You're always, with Nye's in front, he's a revelation. So whoever's in front is going to have to give their all to him, and because you have five and they have four, that allows Mitch or someone else to run amok.

Starting point is 00:30:49 And just, it's a quick screen. if you look at how mitch handles it he comes in quick screen boom it's not he's not sitting there all the entire power play it was just a really smart willie's gonna take a shot here i'm gonna get in the way and you have killers killers tavaris has lost a step he's still got a great shot matthews has a hilariously great shot uh on correcting his own mistakes yeah he missed the first shot and then was like no i'm gonna shoot this is a very funny goal uh william wheelander can you pull it do you want to pull that up sure sure i was just pulling up i was wondering when you guys i was gonna show you this is what it looked like when willie was shooting the puck

Starting point is 00:31:32 so right this is where all of the players are on the ice for anybody listening we got 16 and 91 right in front but mitch martyrs coming from 29 is the goalie i was like this isn't a power play i think that's important to point out that's the goaltender that's where mitch is standing and uh i can go back here i can show you how it's moving so mitch marner is delivering a quick little pass to austin matthews he's coming around by the way and boards i love that we can use this it's nhl.com they have amazing yeah it's uh it's a new feature this season um that game game changer so we don't need the replay so i sit in the press box and they have this for the game so i'll sit there and i watch all of the little numbers move around the ice so i know where

Starting point is 00:32:21 everybody is and then i watch like the in front of me is the actual ice then on my laptop in front of me is the is the simulation of it that's yeah it's really constantly want to hug reporter just so then so then we also have so anybody this is public information like you out there can go to nhl.com and look at there it's called goal simulation steve's talking you know what i want no jesse i want a heat map give me that so anybody out there like it take if you're a huge hockey fan take advantage of this feature it's really cool you see how plays develop and we can go through one here where mitch marner is on the power play he has the puck i'll go back again um he has the puck along the boards below the face-off circle he's coming down and austin's coming behind him

Starting point is 00:33:05 across the boards he passes it up to austin and the beauty thing that mitch marner does is because the play is going the other way mitch continues around the side of the of behind the net but then he sneaks out in front you'll watch him here if you watch 16 creep out in front and the pup goes from he he swoops under gavrikov that's exactly what i was talking about yeah it's beautiful stuff because savaris is is drawing 84 and 44 right i think it's mikey anderson and gavrikov right i said nice whoops and and then so you've got so then you've got so all Marner is going to do there he's going to slip in and out he's not going to stand there well and Gavrikov can't be like oh I'll just follow Mitch because he's down a man 24's got OEL 12's got Nylander and I mean Austin's

Starting point is 00:33:51 there and look if I gotta take my chances I'm covering off if you look at 12 and 24 too the way teams have traditionally played the Leafs is they keep them to the outside lane on a on a on a shorthanded right and so what they haven't adjusted to is Oliver Ekman Larson and his shot and I think the Leafs know this because you look at how high Matthews is and you look at how high Willie is if the puck goes to either of those guys they're going to be able to take a couple of strides before anybody's on them and take a clean shot and so you know I don't think I don't think people have adjusted to this yet and I'm not saying that the Leafs power play has been bonkers and amazing but I will say that I think it's very interesting that you've got three guys with great

Starting point is 00:34:29 shots high right those are arguably three of the best shots on the team nick robertson would be the fourth i would think and mcmahon robertson mcmahon yeah to finish off keep going to finish off mitch here this is uh this is the drift you're talking about adam so he comes out in front of the net in front of goalie 29 and he just as the shot's been taken he's right in position uh there's willie's shooting it the puck's coming and mitch is just drifting by the goaltender and he continues on his way as the puck goes into the net. See, he's there for a fraction of a second. Yeah, it's literally just a breeze-by,

Starting point is 00:35:04 but the breeze-by is perfect because the goal is scored, and he's screening the goaltender. Super hot. That's the power play goal. Now, we would be... I'm so turned on right now, I can't even tell you. I can't even... Yeah, we can play how the goals play now. Can we get some Bobby McMahon on this, Jesse?

Starting point is 00:35:19 I can't wait to find out we can't use this. It would be... I think it'll be... Oh, we can. The point is to be able to use it. I know. I like this because now we don't have to freaking stop start our wage here here wait no here wait here let me just no gotta go back here wait twitter but also remember guys we have audio listeners so remember to always describe the play and what i felt like let us know if we did a good job and if we need work on it we'll work well now we'll get better yeah now jesse yes can you bring up one or both of the bobby mcmahon goals sure

Starting point is 00:35:50 because i feel like all of the the craig berube stuff really buried the first one or the second on whichever one you want um this is a player that was scratched had a bad preseason by his own admission the coach said so and this is the guy that i was looking at going into this year and i think jesse and steve would agree that you're like man that's a berube guy it's bobby mcmahon 100 bobby mcmahon is a berube player i never would have predicted him being a healthy scratch night one exactly and you look at it and you go wait hold on nick robertson is getting all the praise not that i have an issue with nick robertson i love nick robertson but i was like shit where's bobby mcmahon and all this this is the guy i thought that would surprise the coach

Starting point is 00:36:27 it's it's like people didn't watch the blues after 2019 like that that was a big kind of plotting slow team but if you watch the blues in the years that followed like no berube is a he likes a faster team um you know or a faster style i should say not necessarily faster players um he likes them to play heavy so yeah that's bobby but like there's a lot of speed and skill there oh yeah they were consistently a very very good regular season team and i look at so i look at the the bobbing man goals by the way three goals in three games he had one against the devils two uh two against the kings 81 goal pace that is how you stay in the lineup yep that is how you don't become a part of the rotation that is clearly going to happen with connor deward back

Starting point is 00:37:13 skating patch ready on the outside looking in because there is a rotation going on none of them are going to be happy about it don't expect any of these guys to be thrilled about it but if you want to keep playing what do you got to do well you got to score and as long as we're we're doing the the keef berube comparison on and off um keef never really got the option to do a rotation there It wasn't Berube isn't beholden to anybody on this team. He's the new guy. I just got here. He's the I just got here guy this year.

Starting point is 00:37:46 Last year was Brad is like, oh, you don't like my free agency signings. I just got here. This year is Berube. So if he doesn't want to play you, he's like, I just got here. I don't know you. I just got here. It's great. And I have the flexibility because I have multiple forwards or I will soon.

Starting point is 00:38:03 Like Yarncroak's not even a part of this. Yes. You said Dewar. Yeah. We forgot about Yarncrow. And same with defensemen. Like, to have options at both. Like, there were times where they were carrying one spare.

Starting point is 00:38:16 Yep. To have options at both, I don't know if Keefe had that for long. They tied Keefe's hands behind his back because it was all tied to the salary cap. And he couldn't do anything because he had to play certain guys because they only had certain guys. And one thing I will say that Mike Babcock absolutely nailed. He's like, we need more depth. and this is the and then i'm gonna have spare guys and never use yes because i think he had a philosophical difference with dude i'm gonna lock josh levo in the garage yeah like yeah free

Starting point is 00:38:45 frank corrado literally yeah but i i look at this and i go okay so you this is the first time and we mentioned this in september this is the first time i can remember in years where there's been actual battles for spots yes and we're seeing it play out in the regular season when when cali comes back the least will have five full nhl lines yeah and we said we said that a lot over the years and we're wrong every time and this time it'll actually be true when yanni hockenpah eventually plays they're gonna have 42 defensemen like well they have exactly 40 on both the forward group and the defense corps like they have too many guys which is a good thing and none of them will be martin marincin which i think is you know they should sign him just for the lulz um i want

Starting point is 00:39:28 to uh just do the mcmahon let's do mcmahon so you see so let me let me start here steve um and jesse bring it up so you start here when you look at the lines you go oh hey tavaris not the center of the second line we've got mcmahon domi nylander i like it i like it a lot why do you like it before the game even starts why do you like it uh don't we play in center so domi cannot play with certain players we know this because it goes really poorly that dude for some reason really really struggles without the puck he struggles on the defensive end um i really like the responsibility of mcmahon and kneelander lean the kneelander is better defensively than people give him credit for not necessarily in his own end but there's a little bit of something for

Starting point is 00:40:18 everyone here um so i like that uh it adds speed to this line and it gives domey two crazy shooters um you assume uh the puck is going to knee lander and he's going to try to shoot his elite shot but what a lot of nhl teams aren't adjusting to is they're just as confident in bobby bobby can freaking rip it yep yeah so let's let's play this forward if we can sure um so one thing that's fun about the goal simulation feature is when you enter it they have the guy who's gonna score the goal a little extra circle around him so if you want to follow that player in particular you already know who it's going to be and you can see the play develops the Leafs have too many men oh it's the goalie he's like who's 41 I don't know I don't get it so okay I don't play it

Starting point is 00:41:10 Nylander on the right well I'm describing it Nylander on the right McMahon right next to him Domi on the left OEL has the puck in the Leafs down to Stoller's his glove side nice nice okay so oel up the boards nylander retrieves around my if we were watching the real replay of this the little chip play that nylander has right there beautiful yeah it was the the uh the leafs took uh the burrows gavrikov pairing soul in this game like i the the story is oh yeah they've allowed a lot of goals oh the goaltending no they killed this pair in this game yeah there's no reason that willie should come away with this puck other than he's faster and better than you so shout out willie yeah well the kings are thinking okay gavrikov's gonna get this he

Starting point is 00:42:01 can move it over to bros willie's fucked and and well he is yeah and like if you think man if no and if mcmahon overskates this we're gonna have a real good shot you're gonna put it on net and get a rebound you're gonna go here you know right oh wait i called him mikey anderson that's gavrikov's number yeah okay willie said alas not so do you want to keep going with the uh okay Willie, skating to the blue line. Puck comes up the boards. Nylander chips it around Gavrikov. Burrows on him.

Starting point is 00:42:27 McMahon blows by Gavrikov like he's standing friggin' still. McMahon gets the puck in the slot. Move, score! If you could rewind it back. Bobby McMahon! Right before Bobby McMahon. Second of the game! I'm not done.

Starting point is 00:42:42 I love this new feature. Now, if we were to go to the actual goal replay itself, what I love about what Bobby McMahon did, Not only did he blow by, but first off, in a very unleafed fashion, he actually shot, which is amazing. When you consider that Max Domi has two total shots this year. Does he really? He has two shots this year. Max!

Starting point is 00:43:04 And he's on pace for 103 points. That's right. That's exactly what you thought. He has five assists. Yes. I know. It's stupid. So McMahon goes, and look at even what happens with Big Sava David's icon there, number 31 on the LA Kings.

Starting point is 00:43:18 so when when mcmahon number 74 blows by nobody can catch him they're not even bending their knees too many men on the ice oh yeah i mean you can see the line changes happening uh morgan riley's going off so so watch watch what bobby mcmahon does he goes too he goes really far to the right hand side or at least big save dave's left and big save dave comes a little too far out over commits and mcmahon has a just like it was beautiful he gets the goal he was patient with it he didn't shoot it at the chest he just held held over committed scores beautiful he really doesn't need much eh mcmahon mcmahon no he doesn't need much no he's got a great shot he's got wheels i think that are underrated um and you know the leafs really did miss him in the playoffs last

Starting point is 00:44:07 he didn't play a game no and i mean that feels like every year especially against the bruins it's like if we just had one guy oh man he tied the room together like there was uh there was a real before bobby mcmahon and after season yeah no like seriously like he he really he was uh BFBM before Bobby McMahon that's how we keep time now my mom used to when I used to have to go to the bathroom like a number two my mom would be like

Starting point is 00:44:41 when I was a kid I called it a BM oh dude I'd be like mom I got a BM and I was like four that really bummed me out man I think that's a very sanitized way to say I have to go poop that BMO that bummed me out

Starting point is 00:44:55 BFBM No, but they didn't have the offensive depth at all. And then this guy comes in and he scores a hat trick. And we're like, ah, that's funny. And then he kind of kept scoring. And we're like, oh, wait, no. And that's after he got off waivers, too. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:45:12 And they've had these guys over the years where, oh, man, he's got frigging wheels. If only he could bury one. Mikheyev, and he had the one season where he actually did. And Engvall, and he had the one season where he actually did. But it looks like this guy is going to be able to do it consistently. Yeah. At the ripe old age of 28. I also like that McMahon and Zomi,

Starting point is 00:45:32 they're not like guys that are going to get in there and punch people's lights up, but they're not afraid of it. Like if there is a pileup of bodies in front of a net, they're not going to be afraid to grab guys, pull guys away, whatever. And that's Berube's team. Like it's not necessarily enforcers,

Starting point is 00:45:50 but it's guys who will go. Yeah. Like just we've had too many guys. it's like you're not even going to think about it really even like clark macarthur remember clark macarthur back in the day he wouldn't fight that often but whenever he did he would and he would kick your ass and it would be out of anger like he was a violent fighter like for you're like yaroslav spot check all right you do you clark he broke his face sent a set of a lesson I'm pretty sure he broke his face.

Starting point is 00:46:25 Now, going into today, we've got a game tomorrow, which, again, Steve will be streaming on the SDP channel. Rangers. So Jesse will be cheering against the Leafs tomorrow. Reporter Jesse. From the press box. From the press box. In a Rangers jersey.

Starting point is 00:46:38 Go Rangers. Go Blue Shirts. Go Breadman. Panarin, I think, had a hat trick last night. Was that a hat trick? Was it last night? Anyway, he's been good. He's leading the league in points.

Starting point is 00:46:46 Nice. I will say that we will be encouraged by a couple of things. the first thing is that joseph wool is participating right now as of this recording in practice it's his first full practice since going on ir so yay yay um jesse was not there for that practice piece of garbage i have here right now you have to ask you have to ask yourself in two places is jesse getting complacent is he lazy yes people are asking the question wake the fuck up uh i wish i could be in two places at once but we haven't developed that technology You saw him practicing yesterday.

Starting point is 00:47:19 I did, yeah. Yesterday was an optional skate, so everybody wasn't there. Joseph Wall was one of the people who participated in the optional skate. He looked decent. Who else was there? Austin? Willie? That guy who we haven't seen yet.

Starting point is 00:47:34 Fraser Minton? Yeah! Or Yanni Hockenpah? Okay. Yeah, tell us about both, please. Yes. Let's start with Hockenpah, because that's been brewing a little longer. because every practice i've been at and it's not talked a lot because it's not really news but

Starting point is 00:47:49 yanni hockenpah has been participating in every team practice they they run the drills with i had no idea of that i didn't know until i was there but they'll run the drills with uh they'll have one of the defensemen whether it's myers whether it's benoit whoever's going to be served whether it's lilligran run the drill an extra time with yanni hockenpah so he gets to participate in everything so he's there just doing all the stuff he's a little you can tell he's a little slower than everybody else but he's out there skating every single time the leafs are skating so he's right i would say he's closer than we all think like this won't be a january thing i don't think just by my guess of seeing him out there every single day is he in a red jersey like is he no

Starting point is 00:48:27 contact no no he's out in the regular ass jersey that they all the defensemen wear they should put a red jersey around his knees just so nobody grasps but uh red sock there's yeah they they The Leafs, to be honest, don't make a lot of contact in practice. They're not the Buffalo Sabres. They're also not like one and four or whatever the Sabres are. But he's out there in a regular jersey practicing with the team as a regular participant. Jesse said this to us after the last show,

Starting point is 00:48:56 and we were like, let me stop you there. What? No one's talking about it. We didn't know. Yeah, we didn't know. And also, they switch pads. They switch. Yeah, this is like a little, hey,

Starting point is 00:49:09 If you don't know how this works, this is how it works. When the Leafs go to practice, they have two ice pads at the Ford Performance Facility. They start on one. Anybody who wants to come out early and do extra work with all of the coaches, like I saw Haley Wickenheiser out there with Max Pacioretty the other day, and they were doing some extra skating drills. Whoever wants to come out early, you start on pad one. And then when the entire team is ready around like 11 o'clock, they all go over to pad two, and they start practice there. they practice there for i don't like half an hour on pad two and then around like 30 minutes after that time they go back to pad one why everybody started because they chopped up pad two so pad

Starting point is 00:49:48 two so much and they want to keep practicing so they they have two pads so that they don't have to wait 20 minutes for a zamboni to come out and zamboni it to continue practice they just have two ice pads that's cool available to them so that they can just keep practice flowing the entire time and that halfway through the ice isn't all chopped up they go to the back to the fresh pad and they continue practice facility so good yeah i know performance is great i saw um the toronto scepters uh doing their uh training camp uh i don't know i'm not sure if training camp officially started but they were having their practice out there uh that was yesterday so i watched them for a little bit after i was at least practice yeah so it was fun yeah it might not have been official

Starting point is 00:50:28 because i'm always amazed whenever i'm there for something you'll look on a pad of ice and you're like oh that guy's on the lightning or like like people will just rent the ice yeah from them so it's just constantly full of professional yeah so they all had the pwhl jerseys and not toronto scepter jersey so that's why i'm like i'm unsure if it was the toronto scepters training it might have just been a collection of the toronto players who were there uh just practicing on the ice pad which was which was cool to see they're fucking they're ripping it like they're running through some some shootout drills and they were just they're firing the fuck i love it yeah it was good to see it was good to see at this point where they're still two months out of the season they're

Starting point is 00:51:08 going hard and they're extending their season so they're going to be 90 games this year total which is a lot more than last year it's awesome yeah yeah maddie said that so many games 90 games total total yeah not her team yeah we're gonna play each team 25 times yeah no uh okay so leafs lines of practice according to mark masters who's actually there not like lazy reporter jesse nice matthews marner mcmahon domi nylander interestingly on the fords it's basically the same holmberg tavaris robertson lawrence or lawrence uh comp reeves and then doer who is also skating and patch ready as the reserves and i want to say this i like holmberg a lot but he is where offense kind of goes to die sometimes and i know he needs to be dressed

Starting point is 00:51:50 but what i'm finding interesting is how are they going to squeeze him in uh because he should be playing yeah and and i look but i look at like a tavaris patcher ready robertson lineup and i go oh that's so exciting learn how to take face-offs because it's keeping them in the lineup yeah like we'd be we'd be holmberg may still come out i think there's going to be a rotation right but that's what jesse's been saying if we're looking at all right who's coming out today it's a lot harder to take him out isn't it it sure is it sure is and with Tavares down on the 3c too uh yeah he's I think he's a good player with good instincts good work ethic he's got to work on two things one keep your fucking both your hands on your stick and stop turning your back on the

Starting point is 00:52:35 penalty kill Jesse he did it again last game I want to know the thing that you know about Fraser Minton Fraser Minton uh at optional skate yesterday skated before the guys were on the ice So sometimes the Marlies will practice before the Leafs. I was talking to Nick Barton about that. Like sometimes they'll just team up practices and utilize the coaches and all that. So this was a little different with Fraser Minton just out there with, I think it was three different coaches who were running him through drills. And he was injured in training camp and we haven't seen him yet. So the discussion now is after practice, that was obviously the first question we asked Berube.

Starting point is 00:53:08 We're like, OK, so Fraser Minton, we all saw him on the ice. How close is he? And he said, close. That's all I can tell you. That's his exact quote. was close that's all i can say is he gonna play games he's gonna play games so i kind of think he might the interesting thing here is now i know that's why i want to get your guys's opinion on this because i don't know either way do you think they start them with the marlies because they have

Starting point is 00:53:28 that option or they say do yeah they can they can start them with the marlies or they'll play conditioning yeah it's like it's sort of like what they did with shane right right so they they have that in the i guess is the cba the way the rules work to play them with the marlies and then do whatever they want with him after that or does he just make the Leafs you just outline the lineup and it's pretty crowded oh it's huge who do you especially when Yardcrow comes back who do you shuffle out for Fraser Minton well the cap unfortunately has to be considered so I don't I don't know what the cap implications of uh bringing him in uh would have I wouldn't mind seeing it we just talked about how like it's kind of difficult to take Pontus Holmberg out of this

Starting point is 00:54:11 lineup that's one way you could do it theoretically and having minton and tavaris who are quite close playing together would be interesting and we and trading off face off stuff like that and if we remember how last year when this guy earned a spot in the starting lineup last year because how good he was and then they're like okay this isn't going that great let's send him back down but out of he looked great out of training camp yep if i'm fraser minton i'm like no no marley's is fine because then you get to make your uh professional salary and not go to the oh a little bit and then whl whl excuse me well i i still think that's how this ultimately goes he's gonna go to the whl for sure but wouldn't you want canada how long can his conditioning stint be

Starting point is 00:54:54 is it two weeks i gotta i gotta look up the actual amount he can play down it's not long but even if it is two weeks and then he spends four weeks with the leafs there's six weeks of professional experience and money and money and working with their staff yeah absolutely now i want to talk quickly about the defense while jesse's looking that up because that's the other part we didn't get to and there is a change riley tanev egman larson mccabe benoit those are your top five basically every game it's gonna be difficult to take benoit out of the lineup there yes there will be times where they rest guys and that sort of thing but ultimately yeah that's going to be what it is Lilligren was in and I think it's a little unfair and I was unfair about

Starting point is 00:55:33 this in the group chat I didn't think he did anything except for give the puck away a few times to look a bit soft but he was take a penalty but it's also not fair because they've played four games and he hasn't been any of them right until this one and they played three before this this is the fourth uh he is out as of right now Connor Timmons back in now I don't think that that's the end of the world uh i think that the leafs are better off if this guy succeeds whether they're going to trade him or not oh like it's it listen i don't i am not rooting for the downfall of timothy lilligren i think lilligren living up to what we think lilligren could be is easily the best case right scenario and imagine the leafs keep them yeah easily but outstanding in absence

Starting point is 00:56:16 of that yeah i guess you look at trading them so um connor timmons looks to be back in stallers Tildeby and Wall were in net, obviously. Wall's got probably another week here before we even talk about him being in games unless he's some sort of surprise starter tomorrow night. Well, and their schedule's so light. Yeah, so what's the rush? I love, though, that the conversation has shifted

Starting point is 00:56:39 to is Anthony Stallers the new starter of this team and is that some sort of surprise tonight? Team Canada. Yeah, well, yeah. Sorry. I think it's interesting that that is already a talking point because it should have been a talking point before the season even started, and it was here,

Starting point is 00:56:58 which is this guy was, I think, goal saved above expectation also, which is the advanced goalie stat beyond save percentage, which we keep quoting. He was the best one. It's under two. He's stolen a few. Under two last season, and it's under two this year, and he has on 84 shots stopped 79.

Starting point is 00:57:17 There's nothing even in his game that, like, okay, it's one thing if the puck hits you and that's good and you're on a hot streak or whatever. There's nothing in his game that I see, I mean my non-goalie untrained eye, that even bugs me. No, it's just calm. You said it in the LFR. It's like...

Starting point is 00:57:36 Like, even Hildeby in his game, and he won and he was good, there were a few moments where I'm like, you're moving a bit too much there, bud. Like, it just made me a little nervous. It was like Jack Campbell did that when he wasn't solid. Frederick Anderson did that when he wasn't solid. Peter Mrazek did that all of the time. The best goalies in this league know how to stay in their freaking crease.

Starting point is 00:57:59 And like it's such an exact science of powerful movements and stopping dead. And I mean, Stollers is freaking huge and moves unreal for a guy that big. i'm sorry why why shouldn't i be madly in love with him yeah and be excited now does it mean he's the starter long term i don't know i think he has to earn that but i feel and i also loved i've loved joseph wool since he started here he's an extraordinarily good goal when he's playing he's great so when he gets back that's going to be great and how about this how about it doesn't matter because the goaltending situation is not a problem i love that part i love that yeah it's it used to be you had no shot beyond number one and now you have three depending on who you ask for

Starting point is 00:58:52 really good options jesse what are you looking at i was just looking at some of the fraser mitten stuff oh okay any did you find anything um conditioning still no more interesting than the show i guess no no i was just wanted to uh i wanted to know if you found something i don't have the official timeline um well so here's what i want to do uh i want to say that uh this is exciting i love the way they've started i don't think you'll find a leaf fan old or young that is upset with the way they're playing the old guys the old guard they like they like the the rock'em sock'em robot part of this team and it's there uh the young people like us uh like that but we also like the fact that they can score goals it's in bunches i'm just trying not to

Starting point is 00:59:31 sound stupid and that's all i'm my wife because i go you know what do you think i go they look really good and she's like you say that every year i'm like i know no but they do though i but they do in a different way man it's different they stop no every year they look like a slightly different version of themselves and this year they do not look the same yep i think that's fair tan of oel is a crazy change oh my god on the back end is a crazy change back there i don't give a damn how long the contracts are um the forward group is slowly figuring out oh okay here's how we do this um it looks different i have the answer for you what's the answer uh fraser minton is eligible to play a full season in the ahl what he does not need to be sent back

Starting point is 01:00:22 to the uh whl because he has played at least four seasons in the chl and is 20 oh yeah he's 20 years old oh wow yeah so this season would be his mark the first marley's year oh that's cool yeah there you go um so wait he's not even eligible for junior anymore no he's 20 oh yeah there's no reason i thought he had another year no no he's 20 this this year he'll be playing for the marley's i had i'm not gonna lie i thought he was going back no no so yeah so uh when he comes back the decision is does he go down to the ahl or play with the nhl yeah interesting go to the ahl yeah in that case yeah just go to the age i think you i think there's room for him at center too like it's like blandese and herevin and um there's a lot of guys who rotate they've got holmberg listed

Starting point is 01:01:07 but lol um steve's place some center crookshank ebers easy um yeah i think quinlan or quillen uh i think i think you're gonna see frazier he'll play sign yeah the cutoff date for when you got to be uh 20 years old is september 15th and fraser mitten was born on july 5th and he's 20 right now so he's eligible for the ahl that is so hot there you go i'm so turned on again uh so good for him anyway that's uh we're gonna talk about leafs again because frankie's coming on but we're gonna talk more nhl when west chaffer's took flight in 1996 the vibes were a bit different people thought denim on denim was peak fashion inline skates were everywhere and two out of three women rocked the rachel while those things stayed in the 90s one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling

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Starting point is 01:04:14 said in my stomach jake ottinger told me that he called jeremy swayman to congratulate him after his deal with boston was announced otter said he was glad about how the stars conduct business and that he'd never have to go through that type of ordeal and then bruce added so true dot dot dot now that's the tea and i he hasn't issued a retraction on that but he did delete the tweet because it kind of exploded and you can see why um and i i want to say that i don't think anybody's questioning whether ottinger is worth it he's worth it but i look at this and i go man he's right dallas handled this so much better they just got it done behind the scenes no what they should have done is needlessly trade ottinger's backup um yeah like months ahead of

Starting point is 01:05:03 and and then make it play out in the in the press and trade his backup make sure you lose all your leverage by trading your very good backup and make sure it's for an underwhelming package to a divisional rival always good always good and smart to do it's not listen bruins fans it's not very often, I get to look at what the Bruins are doing and go, what the hell is that? That's definitely one of them. No, the Stars are generally

Starting point is 01:05:33 a really smart team who do really smart things. They haven't lost this year. And look at their cap hits. They got a bunch of extremely good players on that team. And there's no cap hit on that team where you're like, oh, that's pretty stupid.

Starting point is 01:05:48 Yeah. There's a... Dallas did lose one game a whole lot is not lost Sagan and Ben are a little rich are you forgetting what happened on July 1st this year oh yeah no they're right side the stars signed Dumba and Labushkin for the right side of their defense no it's weird hey listen for the Leafs I would have taken that last year that would have legitimately been their best right side and a quarter century yeah but yeah as you're the stars and we expect more of you um like listen they're not an infallible team yeah but they're four and one a little rich but no generally like

Starting point is 01:06:26 robertson at his cap hit hints at his cap hit stankoven and uh yeah the deals they have are incredible yeah robertson at seven seven five is a steal yeah and hints at 8.45 is a steal like it's really good stuff and you know what i don't think he's gonna sustain this but starting a season at a 948 save percentage he has no way that's his day but this is a guy whose worst season save percentage wise was last year it was still a 905 which was about league average because the save percentages have been coming down as the goal scoring has been going he's an extremely good goalie now uh so i just thought i would i would add that to you and apologies bruce i know that you deleted that tweet but again the internet lasts forever and i really did need

Starting point is 01:07:12 i that's why i screen grabbed the tweet because i'm like this tweet is not going to stay up uh i think the most interesting part about the ottinger deal is what does this mean for igor shusterkin because igor shusterkin is asking for a whole bunch of money if if the rumors are there to be believed it's that he believes he's the most important piece of the new york rangers so that he wants a little over what Panarin is making. And Panarin right now is the top dog who's making 11.5. So Shosturkin wants like 11.6. But we're seeing the top goaltender market come in at the exact same number for everybody, 8.25.

Starting point is 01:07:49 And I don't know if Shosturkin, that's the question everybody's been asking, is Shosturkin $3 million better than Ottinger, Allmark, or Swayman? So here's my argument if I'm him. because i'm wondering the same thing i'm like okay he's better he is better is he that much better right um okay so the guys who all signed identical cap hits are dude who's never been a true starter for a sustained period of time that's women former vesna winner who lost his job last year uh and is older and also a ufa at the end of the thing exactly ufa and 905 goalie last year i had a 913 i currently have a 921 i am currently igor shisterkin uh no my number does not change

Starting point is 01:08:43 and i i look at that and i go okay so you can i agree with you you could probably one way or the other make the argument yes he is or no he isn't right there are probably ways that you could say well value why blah blah blah what i'm going for if i'm igor shisterkin is what's my value to the new york rangers uh there's definitely that because what because not only am i the best goalie in the league most of the time but i'm also the only option you have and so you can gear teams for that and you know what you should go make his money he's earned it okay he was a 932 and 12 games he was a 9 16 and 35 games he was a 9 35 and 53 games he was a 9 16 and 58 games he was a 9 13 and 55 games and right now he's a 9 21 and 3 games dude this is a wildly consistent

Starting point is 01:09:34 goalie yeah i think you pay him oh my god year in year out i should say he goes on streaks and stuff but yeah holy shit i want to talk about gentlemen uh first off uh name the three undefeated teams in the league and by the way i was wrong dallas is not undefeated name the three of them is it still the flames three sorry three undefeated teams that means that otl by the way otl does not count undefeated in regulation no i mean otl like it's a loss okay so i'm talking about so yes the flames are one of them who haven't three teams with no loss of any kind right including overtime including all right that's what i'm trying to say here got it Flames.

Starting point is 01:10:17 Yes. Got it. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. I don't actually... Hmm. The answers will surprise you.

Starting point is 01:10:28 Do you have any guesses, Jess? I know Nashville's awful. Colorado's awful. Nashville doesn't have a win. Colorado doesn't have a win. Edmonton's awful. Edmonton is... They got a win.

Starting point is 01:10:37 They got a win. Connor was the fifth Connor to score in an Edmonton game this year. They're getting better. Nice, nice. Florida. No. Nah. Boston.

Starting point is 01:10:46 no they've lost to florida florida yeah utah nope i know florida is at the top of the atlantic so that rules out florida um new jersey or not new york uh the rangers no they have not lost in regulation oh um so that leaves only one of the teams is an atlantic division team oh and one of them central that doesn't oh tampa because they've played like one game yeah three games oh they We've played one less than the Rangers, one less than the Flames. I know Florida's in first, though. I'm not wrong about that, right? No, you're not wrong.

Starting point is 01:11:19 Okay. Because they've played five. Right. Winnipeg Jets. Three games. 3-0. 3-0. 3-0.

Starting point is 01:11:26 So, listen, I know it's way too early, but I want to bring that up. I think that's important. They've played three games in, like, 11 days. Yeah. The schedule's been weird to start. It's like, we're going to start early, but we're really not going to. Tampa had a game canceled as well. That'll do it.

Starting point is 01:11:41 Yeah, the game again. Carolina. That was supposed to be in Tampa, so they should have played four games. That'll do it. I don't want to spend too much time on this, but I do think we have to have our eyes on the Flames as a wagon because they have already decided internally that they are. Are you saying they're a fire wagon?

Starting point is 01:11:56 Exactly. Frank Saravalli on Amazon's around the NHL show last night with Andrew Petrillo where they, you know, it's like the NFL red zone, but the NHL version of it. Saravalli said that the Flames are already looking for a right shot second line center, and that's without Sharon

Starting point is 01:12:12 govich back and we said right shot right shot they preferably a right shot centerman second liner that might change the thing i was about to bring up well what were you gonna bring up just bring it up anyway uh i think they prefer it it doesn't have to be shoots left uh you know who's a healthy scratch for the flyers right now is noah cates he shoots left um he had a really good sort of introduction to the nhl in a 16 game cup of coffee five goals four assists nine points uh full rookie season 13 goals 38 points in 82 games last year wasn't nearly as good six goals 18 points in 59 games and this year he's only played one game uh it doesn't seem to be a long term fit in philly but that's a guy i would covet i think it's interesting the flames's numbers

Starting point is 01:13:00 didn't look too bad last season when you compare them to some of the other teams like their underlying numbers were decent um so this might be real but also the flames last year had three separate winning streaks of four games or more and where do they finish really yeah so we're literally four games into their season let's pump the brakes here they had they had three separate winning streaks of four games or more last year i'm gonna i'm gonna out cj but i'm not gonna say what cj in the group chat said if the nh if the flames get anywhere near a playoff spot he will blank i'm gonna leave the blank you can ask cj and julian he's gonna be on the hook for it i think he is i will post the dm yeah i will uh now i want to talk about teams that there are

Starting point is 01:13:47 there are things i want to get to with frankie that i'm saving but we want to talk about some teams that are not that great okay um the sabers have said and this is kevin adams words they are built to win now kevin shut up when did he say that he said that before the season oh oh and And the Sabres currently sit in 27th. It's only six games in, but one, four, and one, which is exactly where they were last year at this time. That's also bad. Yes.

Starting point is 01:14:19 If you're keeping track, bad. And Matthew Fairburn, who's a reporter for The Athletic for the Sabres, said almost the entire roster is made up of players Adams either drafted, acquired, or signed to a contract extension. Cousins, Thompson, Dolling, Power, Samuelson, have all been given long-term contracts and outside of thompson none of them is playing up to their cap hit and so that is a gm i'm keeping my eyes on because i told you last episode i don't know if you guys have seen it yet the jack eichel episode or the amazon thing and they have the

Starting point is 01:14:53 kevin adams press conference and i'm like man i saw it last night yeah he does not and they don't really present it in any other way other than the way it happened doesn't look good it just is not it has not aged well i mean the story is it's bad broadly you know like there's a lot of very intricate details to the story but broadly he needed a surgery they wouldn't let him get the surgery he wanted he demanded a trade they stripped him of the captaincy they trade him he gets the surgery he wins a cup and is still playing great and is still playing great uh number one center broadly it makes the sabers look terrible yes now another team i'd like to move on to i want to go quick on some of these because um detroit and and the colorado i'm going

Starting point is 01:15:40 to save for frankie because they're kind of free spaces sure sorry not detroit and colorado colorado nashville i want to save for frankie but there are three teams that have played four games and have not scored 10 goals detroit is the free space what are the other two justin hall had a really sick assist too uh have not scored 10 goals any guesses guys i don't think colorado's in there i'll give you a guess i'll give you a little hint one of them is expected to be bad one of them is expected to be one of the best teams if not the best team in their division schville schville i'm surprised it's schville oh yeah because stamp coast doesn't have a point and who else can't score but they're expected to have a point i don't think so he doesn't have a

Starting point is 01:16:25 goal marsh is so got his first goal last night yep uh and they're expected to be bad sharks the sharks ah yeah so detroit now wow no points minus three stamkos i think that's to me that's a team that's like adjusting to new people and they'll figure it out unless the second book another youtube trip whatever it is you need to do they'll figure it out well you gotta post the trip and then cancel it that's right you can't go on the trip have you so wait you have seen oh man i just got absolutely destroyed by that dude they put so much emphasis on youtube i will still stand behind what i said which is it shouldn't take that but it did you're like this had nothing to do with it in the documentary it had everything to do with it they should have used i will own that take

Starting point is 01:17:08 they should have used that in the show oh they should have for sure oh what does it matter it matters like to our lifeblood they almost didn't lose for the rest of the season like the episode Until they made the playoffs. Fuck Adam. Adam, you big stupid idiot. The SS, fuck Adam. But going in, in our season previews, Detroit had seven goalies under NHL contract.

Starting point is 01:17:31 They lost Reimer. Huso went on waivers. It's still part of the quote-unquote goaltender rotation that Derek Lalonde is running. Jack Campbell is in the program. If they started seven goalies at once, could this crisis in goal be averted? It's possible.

Starting point is 01:17:45 The goaltending and the defense, insanely bad for Detroit. insanely bad can't move guys except for more insider who can do anything like it's a pretty thin group talbot lion should be fine like as a two dudes tandem it's i don't i don't understand what they're doing uh and the next thing like oh jess did you know and alex lion has been like decent he's got a 929 that's okay they're they're such a um Not a lot played, but it's been okay. What do we always say the worst teams in the NHL are?

Starting point is 01:18:22 What are you? Yeah, what are you? What's your identity? I don't know what the Red Wings are. And I haven't for several years. Like, they're a collection of decent players. Like, I don't look at them and go, oh, that's garbage, or that's garbage,

Starting point is 01:18:35 or like any more than most teams in the league. They're just sort of there. And they need an identity. I think the teams you just ran through, plus if you throw in the LA Kings, I think you have three situations where if these teams don't make the playoffs, there's a really good case that neither of these general managers should keep their jobs. If Buffalo misses, Kevin Adams should probably be gone. If Detroit misses, Eisenman, you've had a long time.

Starting point is 01:18:58 How do you handle that, though? He's a legend in Detroit. If we're just talking about performance, like it's been go time for a while now and you've been in Little Caesars and you've never hosted a playoff game ever. Is he president and GM? Like, could you kick him upstairs? I think you have to. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:14 Well, like, give him the big boy role. Colorado, who's had way more success. Sackick was promoted or kicked upstairs or however you want to look at it. I'm going to go with promoted on account of he won a cup. But he's the president now, no longer the GM. It's Chris McFarlane. Right. And I think that's more become the norm.

Starting point is 01:19:35 I feel like the president role is closer to the GM role of 15 years ago. These days, it seems like the president makes a lot of those higher level decisions. and the gm kind of runs the day-to-day so if he gets that promotion like i feel like it'd be still he's still running the show so i don't know i don't know how that's going to play out but and then the third one is the la kings where rob blake like if this thing goes to is a disaster like he definitely that man i don't underestimate the mark bergman effect on that front office man they started making montreal he's gonna replace him are you kidding no they started making montreal ass moves when he showed up there pierre-luc-dubois joel edmondson's contract

Starting point is 01:20:12 What are you fucking talking about? It's a pretty rich contract. I think if all three of those teams miss the playoffs, all three of those GMs might likely be fired. You know what, Jesse? I wonder how many of them make it to Christmas if this continues, right? If it trends towards missing. It does go that way very quickly.

Starting point is 01:20:29 Listen, former players, I think, get a little bit more rope. Yeah, they do, especially when they played for the team. I think we're reaching the end of it. The more rope has been a significant amount of time here, especially in LA. Blake is one thing. Oh, I don't know. How do you do Stevie?

Starting point is 01:20:46 How much longer do you continue with the losing in Detroit? Who even does it? Who fires Steve Eisenman? The guy who owns the team. The Illich family? The Illich family, yeah. The team. Like, I don't even want to cross that bridge.

Starting point is 01:21:02 I think you're closer to the correct answer where it's like you just move them out of that position. You give them something even more or something adjacent. But I don't know. I feel like they did that to Dale Tallon years ago. Like, yeah, you don't necessarily got to fire him, but he can't do the job anymore. No, I'm very unsatisfied with how this little run here in Detroit has been. I've expected them to take another step here for like three years,

Starting point is 01:21:29 and there's no next step. And I have purgatory. I don't understand what to do. This is the worst place you can be as an NHL franchise, where you're not bad enough to tank, but you're not good enough to make the playoffs. It's disaster. And if everybody gets healthy and they start winning,

Starting point is 01:21:43 this can all go away. Yeah, that is perfectly fine. Like, none of this is a conversation if you win games. But if, as Steve said, you know, the Leafs power play went 0 for 10. We're way too early. So we're going to get, like, when Frankie's on, we're going to do way too early reactions.

Starting point is 01:21:57 But we start to get around game 10, and it's looking a little like this. You got two, three wins. Yeah, but, okay, Adam, there's 32 teams in this league. And you said if they get healthy, that there's 25 teams in this league who could conceivably make the playoffs yeah if everything goes their way yeah like there's only a few where you're like that's a lot everything went right you'd still suck yeah like there's just every team has a shot and like this hope and a prayer

Starting point is 01:22:26 strategy isn't doing it the 15 16 season eight seasons last time the Detroit Red Wings made the playoffs mike baghock was still the coach and was lidstrom still playing oh no no 15 16 yeah no i don't oh okay never mind i'm wrong yeah the other guy blasho uh pittsburgh is the last team i want to talk about before we get to frankie and the headline this morning from josh yohi yes he does work there steve uh is penguins need to move on from tristan jari who could have seen this coming I was Yogi, the reporter who I think he said another unprofessional performance from Tristan Jari. Well, let me run you through the article today. Okay.

Starting point is 01:23:08 First paragraph, the Tristan Jari era in Pittsburgh theoretically has at least four seasons remaining because that's what his contract says. Good Lord. That contract, however, was a bad idea. It would also be a bad idea for Jari to stand between the Penguins pipes anytime soon. And then he goes in and he drops some facts. Are you ready for these facts? Gravy. Jari's save percentage this season is 8-3-3.

Starting point is 01:23:34 Jari's GAA this season is 5.47. He has allowed 12 goals in fewer than seven periods. He has allowed the opposition to score on the first shot of the game in two of his three appearances this year. He's not even the worst goalie in the NHL. He's been yanked in three of his past six starts at home, PBG Paints. He has been pulled in four of the last 17 outings. in his past 17 outings his save percentage is 867 his save percentage is under 900 in each of his

Starting point is 01:24:02 past eight appearances his goals against averages and save percentages since 2021 2022 are as follows and he goes through them all uh not good they they look okay but they're not great and then he goes he lost his job to alexandr dalgovich uh last season and then the penguins went on a tear which we talked about a lot the penguins are six nine and two in his last 17 appearances the penguins have never won a playoff series with jari as their goaltender and have failed to qualify for the playoffs in the past two seasons jari was statistically outplayed by casey de smith alex nidalcovich and now joel bloomquist admittedly small sample size in recent seasons now you talk about the professionalism okay he mentions that too i was confused by that a perceived lack of

Starting point is 01:24:47 professionalism has followed jari for a decade the perception reared its ugly head again in the first period against Buffalo when Jari strolled behind the net to retrieve a puck, looked one way and then another before Tage Thompson stripped him of the puck. Jari didn't show much urgency in returning to the vacant net and Thompson beat him there. That kind of movement can lose a hockey team. The Penguins will say all the right things, of course, but it's painfully evident they're more confident in playing in front of the guy with three games of NHL experience. So there's a lot of whispers and like this is something i would need uh more insight from uh maybe josh but someone who knows the penguins a little bit better when they ditched matt murray for um for tristan jari

Starting point is 01:25:40 there was an air of uh they weren't terribly shy about it yeah uh and the impression i got was matt murray knew he wasn't wanted there and i wonder if tristan jari is going through the same thing well and i look at that and i go i don't know if it's the style that sullivan has them playing i would imagine that confidence is playing into this but tristan jari does have real talent he's an nhl goaltender but he did lose their trust last season and he has not gained it back yet yeah the playoff series thing like the penguins haven't won a series in a while lost in all that is they should have like there were a few a few of those years there was one against the islanders he was so bad so bad and they should have come away with that series and

Starting point is 01:26:28 didn't so he ends this he ends it kind of here he said the numbers are atrocious his body language is even worse and it's not like the penguins are without capable replacements i think nadalkovic is ready to play uh he said his contract is likely unmovable that's not on jari that's on Kyle Dubas but the Penguins front office and uh boss and his staff are not powerless they could put him on waivers send him to Wilkes-Barre uh where he can work on his game his cap hit in that circumstance would be reduced by 1.15 million giving the Penguins some flexibility while Ned and Blomquist run the show if necessary they can buy him out next summer and one thing I will say about Kyle Dubas is I I criticized the signing when it happened I thought that was crazy and

Starting point is 01:27:09 and lunacy and the, and the graves deal also didn't work out. And both of those deals along with the Carlson trade handicapped them this summer because they could not go out and do anything on July 1st because they were, you know, strong. They got Kevin Hayes,

Starting point is 01:27:21 you know, they got rid of Riley Smith. They had to bargain bin shop. Yeah. But, uh, one thing I will say about Kyle is that when he is ready to move on with, with guys and,

Starting point is 01:27:31 and you can make the argument that waste time. Yeah. He believes, I would argue that oftentimes he believes in the wrong guys. Uh, But when he loves you, he loves you. When he's done, he finds a way. Yep.

Starting point is 01:27:43 And I'm thinking specifically of the Nick Ritchie move. Remember when Nick Ritchie was signed for $2.5 million, and they're like, yep, bye. Patrick Marleau, they paid a lot to get rid of him, but they did get rid of him. Full cap. Oh, hey, we didn't say they were good. We didn't say the moves were good, but they did them.

Starting point is 01:27:59 So I look at this, and there's already an article in The Athletic about potential. Should the Avs go after John Gibson? which is hilarious. Oh, they should go after a goalie with a heart. Why not? Like any goalie with a pulse. Why not?

Starting point is 01:28:16 Jari is a guy that can play in the NHL and has been a starter and should be a starter. I look at a guy like Jari and I look at a team like Pittsburgh and go, could the Avalanche work something out there? What do you think? Like a Jari Georgiev swap? And Pittsburgh retains on Jari?

Starting point is 01:28:32 I never thought we'd get here with Jari, but like... He needs to change the scenery. This is a goalie, man. This is an NHL goalie. Could you somehow make a Merzlikens deal work? A Huso deal? I know, dude.

Starting point is 01:28:45 Merzlikens? I know. I need to know if he can play. Dude, but if he's this bad, there's four more years. That's crazy. That's devastating. You can't get rid of it. But you're going to have to flip bad for bad.

Starting point is 01:29:03 Oh, it's fully project for project. And I look at Tristan Jari, and I think Georgiev's better than Merzlikin's, too. As bad as Forgiev, as they're calling him. No, Georgiev's not this bad. I know what Avalanche fans think of him. He's had a horrible start to the season. If he were this bad, he wouldn't have won over 40 games or whatever it was. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:29:28 I wonder if you're going to do the John Gibson talk, why not Tristan Jari? 30 years old, four more years. if he's if his salary is cut in half it's two and a half million bucks i do know dubas kicked tires on john gibson um when he was with the leafs i do know that so jari maybe a jari gibson swap it's entirely possible why not why not anyway just something that jesse any thoughts i don't think it's reasonable for the pittsburgh penguins to retain salary on tristan jari if he's not good enough to play nhl hockey it's only three more years it's it's okay this year plus three after it so for total but if the first thing you got to do is send him down to the american hockey league

Starting point is 01:30:04 and hope somebody claims him um and then that's just out of your hands and then i think you get to a point where if he's unplayable you buy him out because i don't know if there's a trade candidate i'm not retaining on tristan jari if he can't play like i'm not gonna have that on my years i'm not gonna have that on my books okay so so you'd rather have him on the books at a million dollars reduced then in terms of like sending him down yeah yeah i think the the first option because And the Delcovich went yesterday to Wilkes-Barre Scranton for his conditioning stint. So he's getting ready.

Starting point is 01:30:34 And your two goalies are going to be in Delcovich and Bloomquist. So your first option is you send Jari down, see if any GM wants it, and then you go from there and you see your other solutions. You can't have a guy moping around your organization either. If he's actually emotionally checked out, you do have to do something. You send him down.

Starting point is 01:30:51 And I don't, by the way, I don't blame him. I don't blame them. I think it's a situation where they need it. I think there's a change coming. There's been guys with higher pedigrees than Tristan Jari that have had to be sent down. Yeah. Because they don't have it anymore. Yep.

Starting point is 01:31:04 Yeah. Or they need to find it. Or they need to find it. Yeah. Look at Ilya Samsonov last year. Yeah. You know, and then so you have like one side of the coin, which is Ilya Samsonov gets sent down, available to everybody.

Starting point is 01:31:14 He finds his game in the minors. Jack Campbell gets sent down, can't find his game in the minors, you know. But then he did. And then he did in the minors. It's just we stopped paying attention. But he can't get back to the NHL levels. Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:24 And so you have this first option. Go from there. Yep, absolutely. One to watch. Let's get to Frank Corrado. Welcoming on Frankie Corrado from TSN, formerly former Penguin, former Vancouver Canuck, and member of the VIP club

Starting point is 01:31:40 because he appeared on one of our VIP episodes this summer. Frankie, welcome back, buddy. Thanks for coming on. Oh, man. It's nice to be a VIP. I don't care where it is. Just to hear that you're a VIP. Very cool.

Starting point is 01:31:50 Thank you, guys. It's an honor. You're a special man. You're a special man. Now, Frank, listen, I texted you because I wanted you to come on and react way too early to things. And so before I ask you questions, I want to know, is there anything that you're like, God, I can't believe this. What is it like? What's hit you with the first five, six games of this NHL season?

Starting point is 01:32:13 I can't believe. OK, if it's Leafs specific, doesn't have to be. I can't have to be. OK, it doesn't. I can't believe the Colorado Avalanche. I mean, look at all the guys that are hurt there. um so i guess it kind of does make sense but i didn't expect them to be oh and four didn't expect nashville to be oh and four um you know just with all the buzz around those guys toronto centric

Starting point is 01:32:32 i kind of expected joseph wall to be available like you had all summer to to be ready um and you know not ready clearly so just yeah i think there's there's a few things that have kind of caught us by surprise but and and i guess edmonton just kind of getting off to a slow start although So think about the emotional high or how draining that would have been going all the way to the finals and losing in Game 7. How do you find that energy in the early going of the season? But yeah, it's been interesting. And I don't know, there's a lot of storyline.

Starting point is 01:33:04 Tampa Bay is pretty good. Have you seen that? It was funny. I was talking to someone in Vancouver, and they were talking about the game because the Canucks just played them. And they were talking about Vasilevsky. And I'm like, yeah, welcome to the Atlantic Division. where you have to play Vasilevsky and Bobrovsky and Swayman

Starting point is 01:33:24 and who am I missing? And Allmark now who has his own team. Welcome to the Atlantic, my friend. You do it twice a year. So, yeah, it's interesting. The Joseph Wall thing is very interesting because things are going so well in Toronto. We're winning and there's no real problems.

Starting point is 01:33:42 Imagine if Treleving didn't go out and get Stollers. I prefer not to. it was a dire situation where you have like matt murray and hildeby who have to hold the net down while we wait for joseph wall to become healthy how about this like okay he picked the right goalie too yeah like what if he signed you know it's early but what if it was the lankanin or kakanin or it's like they picked the right guy with yeah exactly they picked the right guy with stolar so i think that's you know that's a credit to them and like his numbers have been really good the only thing that would have maybe spooked you off is that you know prior to you know let's call it

Starting point is 01:34:20 the last couple years he had been hurt you know 27 games is the most that he played and you're theoretically putting him in a situation where you know he's got to play 30 to 35 plus even if joseph wall is healthy right so that's the only thing that maybe would have spooked you but they picked the right guy so credit to them for identifying him yeah brossois got injured at the end of august was it like a match and it's hurt too colorado claimed him on waivers from winnipeg because georgiev is has like the worst goal save above expected in the history of the game wow you know and and they wanted this the kaken and he's hurt he's on the ir like everyone else so you're right jesse like there's guys already getting hurt that were supposed to be

Starting point is 01:35:02 goaltending answers for other teams they're one signing away from this being a disaster start in toronto yeah well they're not so what do you mean but it's not but it's not what do you that's a very me thing to say not though i i know we want to stay current here but when you were talking about vasilevsky it's like people forgot how good he is uh and welcome to the atlantic was there ever a just a miracle goalie performance that either happened for a team that you were playing for or against the team you were playing for where just for those 60 minutes that goalie decided i am god oh my god yeah there is one there's one there's a couple in the minors that stick out i gotta get this guy's name he played for the providence bruins um and he played in the nhl a little bit

Starting point is 01:35:49 and this would have been 2017 2018 we played them in the first round of the playoffs i was i was out after game one like i had um a high ankle sprain the guy's name was zane mcintyre that was the goalie's name it was the first round in the ahl is like a game it's it's best of five right and so it's it's game five we were wilkes-barre scranton like wire to wire best team on that side where you get providence and this guy in the last game put together a performance that like just i don't know if he'll ever have that kind of performance again or if he ever ever had that kind of performance again like it was an absurd amount of shots in game five and it's just like it was probably just like an out-of-body experience for him do you have zane mcintyre's

Starting point is 01:36:34 numbers there i will look it up i don't even know hold on zane zane mcintyre db i'm looking right now in the playoffs like you got to find the playoff game log and nhl or or a no this would be ahl okay ahl playoffs so like 2018 calder cup playoffs pulling them up i just want to know if he did anything in his career okay regular season plus post 20 2017 2017 calder cup playoffs i know i'm chopping it up right now providence bruins okay well he had an he had a 914 in the regular season 50 saves on 51 shots in game five there is a nine down yeah it was it was april 30th 2017 it was 50 saves on 51 shots on the road and a 980 save percentage in a decisive game five like What do you do?

Starting point is 01:37:23 What do you do? Game of his life. He played eight total games and they came after that. They came the season after that. He's currently in the wild system, but an 858 save percentage at the NHL level, 397, zero,

Starting point is 01:37:39 four, and one. So he's never got to win. Yeah. Has he not yet got to win? I don't get it. Isn't that nuts? I don't get it,

Starting point is 01:37:46 man. On that night, on that night, that guy was like in a different stratosphere. Yeah, exactly. Wow. that's cool i like that colorado bound caught maybe could be now now frankie i i brought up

Starting point is 01:37:59 the bad side of the pittsburgh penguins which is the goaltending tristan jari and and and all that so we've kind of talked about that on the show i want to talk about the good side which is gino uh passing uh you got the 500 goals you got the 1300 points and cross 1600 oh yeah cross we got 1600 but i want to talk about gino because gino's leading the league in points uh along with their temi panarin right now and you know you played with gino uh what's the guy like to play with it's a it's a great question because i was not like exactly established there in pittsburgh like i would get called up i would hang around for a couple weeks maybe play a game maybe not go back to wilkes-barre come back so like i don't even think he really knew my name

Starting point is 01:38:42 or anything like that you know we were just kind of like teammates in law at that point i like that but like see you again franklin i don't even think it was that it was but like um so so good with his stick like this is what would always freak me out in practice like you kind of think you have him and it almost looks casual and it's like bang bang and he got through you or like he made this slick little pass like he was so good at like making it seem like maybe he had let his guard down a little bit or it looked casual and then it just in a second it was like whoa i did not see that coming like very very elusive very slippery that way um he's an interesting guy because like he's he's he's interesting in the room like he's upbeat like he's always kind

Starting point is 01:39:28 of wanting to be in whatever joke is is being said or whatever and um there's obviously you know at the card table he would hang around with some of those guys and um he would always be one of the loudest guys there um but yeah like i i kind of think you know it's funny now watching him do what he's doing remember when they did the top 100 players correct me if i'm wrong he's not in that he was right he was not in the top 100 players and i think he made the joke he's like yeah it was actually 101 and here he is at age like what is he 37 now and he's turning back the clock he looks good like he looks like he looks like he's got a half step more than he had last year um which is great news for the penguins because they they need they need him he played

Starting point is 01:40:09 a full 82 last year had 67 points he's played five this year he has 11 um that's a that's a big jump i was i was trying to look it up he has 500 goals did you assist on any of them no i don't think i got an assist with the penguins um maybe in practice but even i don't know yeah it is you know it's funny though it's funny like he could drive i think he's so good right but i think he could drive that coach crazy at times you know like sully is so regimented and detail oriented and you know malkin's free-flowing right like like i said like can look casual at times and then really turns it on and so i think there's i would imagine there there have been a few gray hairs on on sully's head over the years but you have to take the good with the bad like the guy

Starting point is 01:41:00 you guys won two Stanley Cups together and let me ask you this and this would be like you'd have to go down memory lane here number one center number two center two-headed monster where would Crosby and Malkin rank on that all-time in the NHL as far as the best one-two punch two-headed monster well you have Gretzky Messier right I would think what I because it was Ted Lindsay a center or was he a winger because i think how you're going back that far well this is the thing well and then you got to go back to like the 70s canadians yes right like there's um early 80s islanders yeah exactly yeah but i think there's like if you're a hockey historian that's a very interesting um and it's going to be subjective different eras and all that stuff but like as

Starting point is 01:41:49 far as the modern era goes have we ever seen a better two-headed monster than that like a one two punch. McDavid-Drysaddle. And that hasn't played out. They haven't had as much time. They got a win. They haven't won. You got three cups with Crosby and Malkin. It's not really terrible. Crosby and Malkin have been one and two

Starting point is 01:42:07 more often, or for a bigger percentage of their career than McDavid-Drysaddle. Because they played together a lot. Yeah. They're definitely top ten. Likely top five.

Starting point is 01:42:22 yeah likely top five it would have to be top five i would think yeah they're stupid and three cups together all those individual awards and like you know sid's still doing it gino's still doing it i know they're not like team's not a contender but i mean so far the early returns on gino this year looks really good not a contender don't tell them that the nhl did release a list of every player who assisted on Evgeny Malkin's 500 career goals. It's 113 players, and I can confirm you are not. Frankie, you played a lot with Tristan Jari as he was coming up. Actually, looking at this team, there's a lot of good players on this team.

Starting point is 01:43:03 Greg McKaig, Kostopoulos, Sestito was on this team, Daniel Sprong, Teddy Bluger, lots of names that made. Casey DeSmith was on that team as well, or several years of it. But what do you think is going on with Tristan? Because obviously there's been a lot of conversations. He's a very laid back guy. Some people call it unprofessional. They're saying the body language is off.

Starting point is 01:43:25 What are your thoughts there? Because it seems to be since that Islanders game last season where he lost his starting job, it's been a disaster. He's very talented. Like there's no denying the talent that he has. And he's had that right from, you know, I can even, he was an Edmonton Oil King. i think they either went to the memorial cup or won the memorial cup like good like a lot of talent

Starting point is 01:43:48 um when he was in the minors the biggest thing he had to work on was like practicing well and practice habits like a 10 30 a.m practice like jars wouldn't wake up necessarily until 11 you know so like the first little bit it's like okay someone tell the jars that practice started to his credits um he has you know figured that out and now he's you know he's had moments where he's a two-time all-star and he's been a good goalie in the nhl he's been fairly dependable it's just for whatever reason like the variance in his game has been so jekyll and hyde and that's the like that's the million dollar question right now when it comes to goaltenders and signing these guys long term and giving them you know all this money it's like can you get the jekyll and hyde

Starting point is 01:44:37 goalie or are you going to get a very consistent performance so um and to to i think you know in jars's defense um there have been years where the penguins haven't been as defensively stout as they were and they were like a good team you know like they just that kind of fell behind and so you know the game in the goaltenders point of view kind of falls off with that it's you know you would have to get more of a peek behind the curtain but i think the the thing that stuck with me is that he got more professional as time went on because he wouldn't have been like he would have not been a pittsburgh penguin starting goaltender if he didn't like mike sullivan is very like rigid matter of fact like you gotta you know you have to come to play be professional all

Starting point is 01:45:24 that kind of stuff like he just jari would never have gotten himself there if he didn't iron those things out and now i think he's just kind of dealing with the you know the the world of the nhl being a goaltender if you're not the top set five to seven guys where it's a little bit up and down wow it's uh it's it's fascinating now now is there anything i want to talk abs and i want to talk preds in a sec here guys but is there anything frankie that you were like man i was so right about that before the season started right and now again we're five games in this is way too early reaction that's what the damn so early everybody get yeah but you're like right out of the gate do we have enough time to talk about that list i mean it must be here it must

Starting point is 01:46:05 be an enormous the one i i want to say that maybe i was right on is uh seattle is off to a three and two start they look like they're okay i kind of like i went on a limb saying i think seattle's going to be a playoff team um and i think la was the team that i had taken out so you know maybe maybe that's the one it still remains to be seen like they've they obviously believe in joey so they gave him the five-year extension um you know the chandler stevenson thing is interesting because a lot of people hate on that contract but he's going to be really important to that team because look look down the middle of the ice you know it's maddie benears it's shane right like they need someone who can do a little that grunt work and eat some of those matchups like who can

Starting point is 01:46:54 take on an Eichel or take on a JT Miller or you know to you know McDavid you try your best against McDavid right but they needed someone who could eat some of those those greasy matchups and so that's important um having someone who's more of a puck mover on the back end I just I don't know maybe that's what I'm right about and maybe LA falling off is what I'm right about too but I don't know like it's just so much time there's so many games to be played you asked me I didn't I didn't come on here and look in a brag um uh we were talking about this too guys like we you know john gibson has been in a bazillion trade rumors for pretty much since he signed that extension uh and you know the avalanche are bad in net right now they've already been linked via the

Starting point is 01:47:41 athletic this morning potentially does this make sense whatever um if you're the avalanche you've got natushkin uh in in the substance program and we you know he's in recovery and so he's still at level three not available to come back you've got landis cog who might come back but you're not sure so you're kind of hamstrung by the is there is that do you make a move like john gibson now or this season or do you just go we're gonna have to play it out the way it is and it is what it is well i think at some point like you have to contemplate it and i would imagine you start to kind of test the marketplace and but the thing is like it's so early i'm sure anaheim doesn't even really know what they want to do yet like no one's gonna throw you a lifeline and just say

Starting point is 01:48:25 here have our starting goalie like all the moves that were available to be made were kind of made and they they tried to do one they did the cat the kakanen thing on on waivers and you know that guy's he was on the ir as far as i checked yesterday um like i was looking at colorado and some of the other teams this morning. They're, you know, expected goals versus expected goals against. They're actually in a good spot. They're just, the goaltending is so bad.

Starting point is 01:48:50 And that's with, you know, Landis Gog out, although I don't think you could count on him playing. No Nachushkin, no Lekkonen, no Druin, no Devon Taves, Miles Wood was day-to-day. Like, take away that in any other team, any other team in the NHL, you're going to get the exact same result. But if the goalie can even play average,

Starting point is 01:49:12 like if he could just play average or maybe just slightly below average, they will put together wins. Like, it's just, I can't believe the goalie's as bad as he's played. Like, I don't think he's that bad of a goalie. What is it like, you don't need to name anybody, but I know you've played on lots of teams with lots of different goalies. What's it like in the room when the goalie's just not giving you a shot?

Starting point is 01:49:36 You hope the other guy plays. you know that's all you you okay it's not something it's not something you're gonna like openly talk about like there's not like a huge dialogue about it because you obviously like the guy feels terrible that he can't play he wants to stop the puck you want him to stop the puck everyone wants to win so like you have you have this feeling that like the guy's just working through something and he's going to find it and as long as the guy you know shows up to practice and puts in a good effort and is trying there like you can kind of see that like the guy cares enough so you know at the end of the day like you know guys want to hold each other accountable sure

Starting point is 01:50:20 guys are demanding with themselves so i'm sure they're demanding with others that's all acceptable but if you can like guys have a heart at the end of the day if you can see a guy is like working through something like you can understand you can kind of understand it um so you just i don't know you just try and be a good teammate talk to the guy when you can let him know like i don't know hey it's all good buddy like move on to the next one and and we'll you know we'll try and get that one back for you like there's not much you can do really as a player um and this happens like goalies go through it and like you just you have to be a good teammate about it i think that's the that's the best way to to try and i don't know that's the best way to go around it if you're a

Starting point is 01:50:58 player on the team there's a clip going around recently of sydney crosby that i absolutely love and somebody made a mistake around the net and it led to a goal for the penguins and he's sitting on the bench and all the guys are giving it to the guy who made the mistake and crosby looks over and he goes down the bench he's like quit it guys i think he knows and in that moment the guy who made the mistake knows he fucked up he doesn't need to hear it from his teammates and crosby's like shut up like he knows he made a mistake he's gonna try harder next time and i feel like if you're a professional athlete and you're playing bad you know like you don't need your teammates to ever put you down you know there's enough information out there you know how you're

Starting point is 01:51:36 playing so i feel like that's so true you know you do know and if if you want to hide from it you're not going to get better as a player um the the other thing that that kind of comes to mind with that um is that like the quicker guys can flush things generally like the the better they are for it like there's some guys they go out there they make big mistakes every once in a while and you know what it's like yeah forget it it's over and then they put together you know another 20 minutes of like stellar hockey like you know everyone goes through it at some point but the guys that don't dwell on it those are the guys that seem to have more success and like you don't need you don't need your teammates telling you um hey you messed up yeah i know i

Starting point is 01:52:20 messed up if you see the guy is um you know if he's not i don't know if he doesn't practice hard if he doesn't get in the gym if he's lazy if you see all those bad habits that that's when you kind of have the green light to say like okay all this other stuff is affecting what you do on the ice and now that's affecting our team but if the guy like if the guy is putting together a good effort and you can see it and he's a good teammate and he makes a mistake okay we all make mistakes you don't need you don't need to pile on like this is the way i would describe it when you make a mistake in the nhl it's like i've done this pizza or missed a missed assignment in front goal goes in minus one goal horn goes off there's 20 000 people in the arena and it feels like it's just

Starting point is 01:53:03 closing in on you and it's just like every person and every camera is on you and it's your fault and then it's like this squeezing and then you then you have to go back to the bench and you have to find a way to just do this and decompress it take a few deep breaths because you still have the whole game to play and you have to be good for your teammates like yeah you know when you messed up um that brings me to the moment we led the show with today frankie uh which is craig berube telling the leafs midway through the third period the other night to wake the fuck up uh and and what you know we talked about sort of the culture shift because because you know sheldon keith might go the route of okay guys let's calm down we can figure this out gotta i'm gonna ask you to bring

Starting point is 01:53:49 your intensity up craig berube was like gain the offensive zone let's go hunting wake the fuck up and and so let me ask you as a player as a player analyst how do you react to that and then my follow-up to that will be who's the scariest yeller you ever played for uh and did anyone ever strike the fear of god in you because it felt a little like that with berube okay there's two two very good points i think with the berube thing sheldon keith runs hot okay like i don't think sheldon was the type to just pat everyone on the back and say it's okay guys we're we'll get going here like he runs hot the difference i think with that interaction in berube and maybe what sheldon may have done is that sheldon may have let it run its course a little longer to

Starting point is 01:54:34 see if the guys can figure it out and then like he would step in and he would call the time out or he would use the TV timeout to blast his team. Whereas I think Berube just kind of like shot from the hip there and said, I've seen enough. Like this is, if it was eight minutes, it was eight minutes too long for me to see of that. And I'm just going to shoot from the hip and I'm going to make sure that like they know earlier

Starting point is 01:54:57 that this is not going to fly. So I don't think it's a matter of mentality. I think it's just a matter of patience, how long you're going to let it go for. um as far as like scariest coaching tirades like there's there's a torts one that we had in detroit at the joe lewis arena that's like should be in the hall of fame of tirades oh yeah yeah that was that was a wild scene i forgot torts was your coach in vancouver i forgot yeah yeah so there was yeah we were at the joe and like i i can't tell you what was said obviously but let's just

Starting point is 01:55:32 say like there was a hall of fame of coach tirades this would be like first ballot um and then i had a coach in junior um awesome guy um i'm pretty sure he's with calgary's farm team his name is trent cull um great coach um really demanding of guys so you know the big orange gatorade coolers yeah right so we were playing god i hope he doesn't get mad at me for telling this story but we were playing in saginaw and we had a terrible period i'm pretty sure it was the first period and it was like three or four games into the year and we were just awful and like he was the new coach and he came in and he just tore a strip off the wall in there and as it was ending he went to like throw the big orange Gatorade cooler but didn't take into account that it was

Starting point is 01:56:19 full and so like as he went to like lift it you could see like within a split second he realized that like it's full and in order to throw this thing like he's gonna need a little more juice and so like credit to him like he was he was a really tough guy when he's when he played like he was a fighter he like you could see that he was like gonna drop it and then like was like no i cannot look weak in front of these guys after everything that just went and just through this thing and i'm like that is like superhuman dad strength on this guy and we all just we all just he left the room and i think we all collectively kind of looked at each other and said like this guy means business and we better get our shit together i'm surprised he didn't like tear

Starting point is 01:57:01 his pec oh dude i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure he like i'm sure he went to the trainer on the bench after it was like hey by the way uh you have any advil oh yeah it takes two football players to carry that thing to dump it on the uh the coach at the end of the super bowl yeah yeah that's i think i got my point across but i herniated my disc i gotta say so i'm looking at his stats frank you're absolutely right this is a guy who in the ahl and ihl when it existed regularly got over 150 and for three seasons in a row got over 200 penalty minutes a year oh he's tough as nails and a great guy i uh we all like all of us really enjoyed playing for him but that was um yeah we'll see if he texts me that would be wrangler's head coach uh last year and i think

Starting point is 01:57:49 this year too uh so uh yeah that's that's very cool what a great story by the way what is it about torts just briefly and i'm not asking you to to tell us what he said we can't take up too much about frankie i know i know what is it about torts that you're like shit as a player like even though even as a grown man this guy freaks me out it's a good question because he's not the tallest in stature but he's just very stern like he's just he looks at you right in the eyes and it's like he's looking right through your soul and he's very matter of fact and like it's good it's both positively and negatively right because when he talks to you about something that's like positive or maybe it's not even hockey, talking about family, friends, all that stuff, you can feel

Starting point is 01:58:29 it. You can feel the emotion, but then you can also feel the emotion when it's negative as well. And I think that's where that feeling comes from that you're talking about, where it's like, okay, I got message sent, got the message here. Yes. Well, listen, Frankie, we love you. Thank you for coming on today. We really appreciate it as always, because your insights and your stories are amazing and we also know that you're balancing doing color for how many markets this year uh i think montreal winnipeg toronto uh do i have that right like what else so i'll do so i'll do color for uh montreal and then i'll do panels for uh some combination of montreal ottawa winnipeg and some leaps along the way and some sports center and um yeah and so and radio on top of that too

Starting point is 01:59:17 so we just and also father of young twins so we just we really appreciate your time buddy and and it's it's always great to see and one day when you know the kids are a little bit older we'd love to have you into the studio but that's probably impossible right now no at some point i'll get down there i've been meaning to get down there and see you guys so thank you for having me on appreciate it the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at Adam W-Y-L-D-E and at Jesse Blake. Connection complete.

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