The Steve Dangle Podcast - Weasel King | June 20, 2022

Episode Date: June 20, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the Avalanche dominant the Lightning in game 2 of the Stanley Cup Final (00:00), You Can Bet That with Sports Interaction (38:00), the Philadelphia Flyers hire John Tortorella as their new head coach (43:30), Peter DeBoer is working on a 4 year deal with the Dallas Stars and is Andrew Brunette getting a raw deal? (54:00), the Arizona Coyotes get a thumbs up for the next step of their new building (1:11:00), an update on the Hockey Canada hearing (1:21:00), and food from our ancestors (1:27:00). Originally aired: June 20, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/d9hAN7aTZl8 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Individuals must be 19 years of age or older to open a Sports Interaction account. Terms and Conditions apply. Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc/en-us/articles/216779528-Responsible-Gaming-Self-Limitation-Self-Exclusion. Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Sports Interaction is subject to successful AGCO registration and execution of an Operating Agreement with iGaming Ontario. The Eligible iGames conducted and managed by iGO are only available to those physically present in the Province of Ontario. Visit this episode's sponsors: Get 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. That’s 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. It’s time to get wet and clean with your new MANSCAPED™ Shower Routine." https://manscaped.com/ CODE: DANGLE https://sportsinteraction.com/sdpn https://magicspoon.com/sdp https://athleticgreens.com/sdp https://seatgeek.com/ CODE: SDP https://lightstream.com/sdp Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Canada's sports book. Back at it. Woo! S-D-P-P. The Steve Dangle Podcast. With your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! Okay, so we knew the abs were good.

But did we know they were 7-0 good? Did anyone know? No. Except for Jesse Blake. Who said Avs in two I think by the end of last episode Yeah we got it down to Avs in two Well congrats This is our last episode of the season

I'm shocked they didn't hand out the Stanley Cup on Saturday So what's more surprising The Avs winning 7-0 Or the Lightning losing 7-0 It's 100% the second one Was it that surprising Yeah One team

For the Lightning it's a terrible matchup That's what I see And it's not that surprising When you look at the two teams when they're playing each other The Avalanche Play this game where they're super fast On the forecheck and their transition game Is incredible and then the Lightning

When they get down they have to take all these chances And they're over committing on the defensive end And it leads to more chances for the Avalanche So it's not surprising that the game ended 7-0 Would the Avalanche be able to do this If Jared Bednar was not able to Look at the footage of the Lightning Leaf series

no this is all because of the leafs yep you're welcome we did it you're welcome all right that's the end of the stanley cup final segment on to the leafs seven nothing are they gonna be able to keep ilia mckay seven nothing the goal scorers are natushkin uh manson burakovsky who will not probably play in game three because he didn't fly to tampa oh wow uh natushkin again darren helm kale mccarr and then kale mccarr again and absolutely nothing from the lightning by the way i'm gonna ask people to be very sure when they correct me okay it's nakush nakushkin or natushkin i don't know i've been told very confidently both amber says too amber says nakushkin i that's how it's spelled no it's spelled natushkin it's spelled ch in english

depends what country you're from i suppose you can do the nakushkin where you're pronouncing like a k or you can do the ch like a like an english so is it like because my mom's last name is is is uh denise denny or denny but it's is it we say dennis uh well because it was french it was anglicized connection at all then anglicized french d-e-n-i-s right never in my entire life did i ever make that oh yeah yeah yeah so so my question is my question is is this an anglicized version of it i want to know who's catering to their own language i know this is a good time to bring up steve's story about a famous broadcaster oh are we doing that we're going to do that right now let's talk about this because you don't want to use the thing names

are an issue and who cares it's a good story this is a good story no no it pertains to the stanley cup final so basically uh there were remember i was talking about i didn't have an internship and a lot of my friends had an internship but then there was a small group of the elites in my program it was a small group of the elites who had jobs they had jobs in the industry while they were going to school and there was a guy who i think was older right because you go into school when you're 17 or you go into post-secondary when you're 17 or 18 this guy was a little older so he had a job at cbc and those members of the elites who had jobs would come in and they would tell us stories from the industry from the biz you know those cool cats

and we would just all listen like just captivated and this one guy said that he got to hear the broadcasters um basically setting up before the game and what ron mcclain and bob cole used to do is they would go over the names of the players and Bob Cole would say something like, you know, Sundin and Ron McLean would go, yep, yep, that's right. Okay, good. Because I asked him.

Barazan. Yep. No, that's how you say it. Okay, good. Because I asked him. And he would go down the entire roster and say, I asked him. Because for the morning skate,

the actual play-by-play commentators will go into the locker room And they'll ask for questions and stories If you ever wonder where they get all these stories Oh that's how they do it They actually ask them They go in and they ask them Because they asked them

Your impression is still immaculate It hasn't fallen off It's your best impression Well done Still quite good And supposedly one night Someone Because there was a battle

Over Nikolai Kuliman We all said Kuliman Nikolai Kuliman We drank that Kool-Aid of him Hey, as far as I know, Nikolai Kuhlman did not tell us that his name was Nikolai Kuhlman. We just looked at his name and went, ah, you're Kuhlman. That's Nikolai Kuhlman. That's what his name looks like.

And that's what it's going to be forever. But supposedly it's a lot closer to, I was told like Kuhlman. Kuhlman. like russian has sounds that english mouths don't make like i just andre when i did khl highlights he would try to teach me it didn't my mouth was like that's nice but we don't we don't do that steven so i would try and i would fail so there was a small crowd that included bob cole who said and my friend who had a job said he walked in and one night he heard on the mic listen i asked the fucking guy and he said his name was kalema i love that and i just love the idea of him saying that

i asked the fucking guy and he said his name was nakushkin i can't remember there was like an early hockey twitter youtube page that used to make fun of the nhl was it blog blog salming or bloggy salming bloggy salming and they did one with and he's winnipeg he retired a winnipeg jet but he bufflin bufflin by fulugelian yeah is how you pronounce it it's like oh we think it's bufflin he's like well actually it's not and they're like okay well then we'll trade you to edmonton and he said i guess it's bufflin then and it's just one of those like i just kind of it makes me think about that but listen if you're on if you're on twitter giving people shit about how they pronounce names if it's like slightly off i think a hobby might be good for you well like

chill like like nobody is saying to tushkin right the way it's supposed to be spoken in its normal language i started saying nachushkin and then everyone just one day drop drop of a hat decided it's nakushkin nakushkin and then yesterday i got a great compliment in the sportsnet youtube channel comments they're like as a russian speaker i am happy with how steve dangles says nachushkin so it's so they're telling i so nachushkin was in the khl when i did khl highlights andre never correcting me once and he reveled in correcting me maybe that maybe the maybe that's the maybe the t is something else from like russia there is no t there is no t but you say natushkin right i say natushkin but i see you is almost sounds like a t right right like witch

but like riding a broom witch not which which yes god english is stupid yeah it is i there's there's a great quote english is not a language it's three languages wearing a trench coat you want me to play this from run for the cube so this is a youtube video that says how oh oh it's this guy very right how to pronounce valerie who at the time was a dallas stars 2013 draft pick listen to of those valley ryan night you sky night you sky who the hell is that why does he sound like that i don't know is that supposed to be an actual pronunciation or is that someone joking it's someone joking that's good adam he's got a kermit the frog voice like what do you think one more time 2500 views good for him one more time valley ryan night you sky valley ryan night

juice almost sounds like um remember that remember that vine where the guy he's like he's like we're going through the indie indie girl goes through her fridge and it's like uh we got bananas welcome to my kitchen we got bananas and alacrity so i think i think we should all really yeah we should all move on to valley ryan the truth okay no the question right now choose kind there's no there's no final mvp in hockey but if there was valley ryan would be you know making a case i can't wait for betman to have to pronounce that when he gives him the con smite at the end of this oh my goodness we now present it to betman should sell yeah by the way he looks like marvin the martian yeah you should sound like marvin yeah it's true i don't know about

that jesse um so we gotta ask this question after a seven nothing win and and and based on some of the texts i'm getting in our group chat specifically with the cj show people is this over yeah is the series over is it over after game two really is it over my they're saying it's over is it over my instincts and memory are just clash of the titans in my head right now okay tell me about the clash well i'm so used to a team that loses seven nothing not doing well but it's also the tampa bay lightning who gained steam as series go that was in let me do math in 15 games that the lightning have played between games two and seven in a series this year so eliminating game ones where light the lightning are one and three in four games all other games two through seven

they went into game two with an 11 and three record wow that was the fourth time they lost outside of a game one wow did you not do you not know who they're playing the team that is undefeated against anybody not named the st louis blues so they have not lost a road game this playoffs the st louis blues who almost forced the game seven almost almost so let's have this conversation then because i've seen this going around hockey twitter this is the first time that the lightning have faced a worthy opponent i flatly deny that and don't believe that i think they were in a game seven no so here's here's the problem is they look at the bubble and the Lightning played the Dallas Stars,

who not a lot of people predicted would be in the Stanley Cup Final. Oh, you're talking about the three years. The three years. Where they won a championship, yeah. Last year, they played the Montreal Canadiens. Yeah, exactly, right? So they beat the New York Islanders,

who were the joker to their Batman every step of the way for 13 games. And Islanders damn near had them. Damn near had them. If Vasilevsky's not in net, if it's any other goalie in the league do the islanders win that series maybe yep i dare say probably but it's a ridiculous argument if it's some butts were candy nuts yeah like tape has had some great opponents along the way this has been an incredible run for three years the team that

won the division like you could argue that colorado is the best opponent they've played in the stanley cup final and like yeah sure for sure but to say that they haven't had to play a difficult opponent there were they've won uh eight nine series that weren't the stanley cup final over the last three years oh yeah yeah they're good i don't i don't uh this is their toughest opponent opponent i think in three years i think it's i think colorado like i was saying before they match up so well with them in the the way that they play their game tampa doesn't have the speed and when colorado's playing their speed game it plays into the hand of tampa making mistakes I also think

This is the first Playoffs But mostly this first series I think Where really You just don't have Braden Point I know he was injured

Against the Leafs But he was playing well He played okay Against the Panthers But it got bad Against New York And it's like He wasn't there

Versus New York Oh he wasn't there at all He didn't play that series His last game Before the Stanley Cup Final Was game seven Against the Leafs Yeah

He didn't play Florida or New York I didn't realize that This is the thing though Right You know I feel like And then he swept

The Panthers yeah yeah i don't know i think i think there's some hot takes out there when you have a hot take at least make it interesting like at least like like listen steven a smith king of the hot take right guy's amazing sometimes he says shit and he leads and you're like where the fuck is this going because i don't agree with anything and then after a while you're like you know he's got a point um and i think i think for it to be a good hot take it can't be completely true but it has to have a shred of truth so if you were to say that that tampa that colorado is is one two and three on the top teams that tampa has played over its

two year two and a half year run i would say a thousand percent i'll listen to that but to say they've never had a worthy opponent i think is i mean it's that's ludicrous it's luda silly goose yeah um now i i so you don't think the series is over jesse you do yeah like when when i see josh manson coming down the coming down the wing you know and kale mccarr joshman one past uh andre vasilevsky and then kale mccarr doing the exact same thing on a shorthand to play later in the game best deadline pickup in a while yeah okay and uh i want to i want to shout out twisted leafs alberto at twisted leaves who was like i want to talk to whoever said that josh manson wouldn't have been good fit for the leafs what was that about well so it's not there was a

lot of people before the trade down like yeah he's not a good fit he's over the hill he's this he's that whatever looks okay to me it's it's not just about um whether or not he's good or would have been a fit somewhere else sam gerrard is an enormous loss for the colorado avalanche and they've weathered the storm fine fine you almost forget you know fine now a lot of that is bowen byram i think really coming into his own jack johnson yep uh playing better than i think we thought he was capable of frankly eric johnson's been steady back there but josh manson has been a factor in every game yeah every game every game that i've watched yep man it's just a really fortunate pickup because you never know when you're going to lose someone and the mistakes

from tampa i was just looking back uh to jog my memory a lot to head the like the over the glass penalty by sergachev early in the game that's just that's the avalanche coming out so hot which they do spectacularly in the first period and forcing sergachev to make a play try and get the puck out of the zone it goes right over the glass and they capitalize on the uh on the power play there and then you you start the game with a another roughing penalty by cory perry uh against darcy kemper because he's trying to make something god bless visual god bless cory perry because every time John Cooper sends him out there, you see him running

around trying to make something happen. He's trying to get the team going. I would like to talk about that. Okay. I would like to talk about Jared Spurgeon for a moment. Why don't we talk about Jared Spurgeon earlier in the playoffs, guys? Why don't we talk about Jared Spurgeon? Because he tried to break an opponent's

ankle. Pavel Buchnevich. Hopefully I pronounced that right, but if not, leave it in the comments that I won't read. Buchnevich. Oh, is it? Can you do an impression of the YouTube channel trying to say Pavel Buzhnevich? Can you please look that up? See if he does it. Pavel Bukhnevich.

So if you remember, I believe it was the first round, Jared Spurgeon basically cross-checked Pavel Buzhnevich's Achilles. His Achilles tendon in his ankle. The back of your ankle. Feel the back of your ankle right now. Touch it. Touch it. You're not touching it.

Touch it. Mm, Harry. Touch it. I'm touching it. Okay? that stop yelling touch it i'm touching it okay i'm caressing now how much protection is there for your achilles does hair count as protection no well then not a lot not a lot right and jared spurgeon cross-checked that underneath the skate park and and and did not get any uh any sort of

i don't think he even got fined did he i don't remember five thousand dollars okay it costs five thousand dollars to try to break your opponent's okay there you go so cory perry you saw what he did to jt confer's ankle right yeah where he got up kneeled right on his knee nobody gets up so he was pressing his knee down on jg jd uh jt confer's leg yeah and trying to quote unquote get up after a scrum in front of the net no he's a shithead nobody gets up using their knee to push down on the ground you get up a million different ways but that's not it especially in hockey he's a shithead and he's being a shit but here's the thing obviously he's trying to quote unquote get something done but i gotta ask the question okay if cory perry

loses his third straight cup will he deserve it absolutely 100 when you do shit like that i'll when you do shit like that listen i've i picked the lightning and i've been cheering for cory perry but that is a that's such a bullshit play in a seven nothing game i will revel in it i'll revel in it because and it's a it's a monument to how great of a career he's had oh that i will revel in it you know he did he won the stanley cup in 2007 he's got he's already got it yeah he's got a cup yeah i mean he's one he's won a cup and if he wins another i'll be happy for him i won't i don't like him i don't like if he was a leaf if the because the leaf's a couple years ago is he they had the option between him and simmons or corey perry and they

took simmons yeah oops oops because his his regular season numbers were garbage and he turns into just the alpha shithead in the playoffs and that's good we've had this conversation and i'm speaking confidently because i understand my feelings so i'm going to try to convey to people uh the realization i've had we've had this conversation with brad marchand before and yeah but didn't you see this clip where he did this nice thing and this clip where he did this nice thing and this nice tweet he sent listen there's a difference between you being a bad person and you being i can't say bad hockey player because he's not bad at hockey and i can't say shitty hockey player he's definitely not a bad person hockey player or just you're a bad person

on the ice yeah let's like call it what it is cory perry on the ice in an nhl uniform off the ice he can be whatever he wants i'm sure he tips well at restaurants and shit and he's very oh actually sorry do you have the actually his teammates love him article by so and so a website i'm sure cory perry has ordered something had the wrong thing come to him and eaten it anyway he is canadian after all he's he's i'm sure he's a nice guy in his regular everyday life cory perry when he puts on skates and an nhl uniform and hits the ice is a bad person i say that confidently and willingly and he'd say that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said be like brad marchand his nickname is the rat he's or the weasel or whatever it is or some sort of animal that is generally considered an insult

steve is he a piss he's a person intentionally trying to injure somebody like he's person who was intentionally shitty yeah yeah and and right now i'm sure you're in the comments like what about this guy yes them too yeah yes them too yeah yeah for sure yeah yeah I mean the I cheered for Nazem Kadri as a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs I'm cheering you know I'm cheering for him individually on the Colorado Avalanche right now I cheered for him on the Leafs for many years and years I like Nazem Kadri he seems like a great guy I will never defend him on the ice as a great person no he's a he's tough to play against tough to play against shitty it's and he's and he's got like a magnet for players temples like yeah tom wilson there's another guy who seems like a great

guy off the ice i've never heard a bad story about him i've seen lots of footage of him braining guys though and i have to compartmentalize it so there are aspects to hockey this was an interesting conversation i had with justin bourne um i think it was about a no it was it was about the jared spurgeon thing okay with pablo buchnevich i was like he's trying to injure an opponent yeah how is he not getting punished for intentionally trying to injure an opponent and justin bourne made the observation well you are allowed to try to injure your opponent you are it's a contact you're allowed to hit people very hard you're allowed to stick check All these things are illegal.

There are rules. Yeah. There are rules. You may try to injure your opponent in the following ways. No, it's a contact sport. He's very right. Yeah. And you are allowed to try to injure your opponent.

I think, as silly as this sentence is, the way Corey Perry tries to injure his opponents is less honorable than others. There was one that wasn't talked about where he got shoved into Darcy Kemper. He propelled himself forward 100% and he's going after the goalie's knees. and yeah he's trying to injure his opponent on the ice he's not a good person do i want him to play for my team fucking a rights oh yeah oh yeah help you win yeah absolutely should he be in the hall of fame when it's all said and done i've said it lots of times there's no such thing as the hockey hall of great guys cory perry is the first ballot hall of famer has to be he's won a

cup he's won a heart trophy he's won gold medals he's played x amount of playoff games and scored x amount of points and goals and i'm glad the conversation went this way because that was what i was conflicted about when i brought it up like if he loses his third straight cup will he deserve it and the answer is yes but also it's like i can't help but cheer for him well this this is why i've made the argument in the past um for players getting in based on their credentials well but what about this and that and that okay well we're gonna have to yank some guys out of the hall then yeah we're gonna have to take some guys there was a guy there was a guy who went into the baseball hall of fame which is even more of a weird one and like he had like a sub 500 he's

like a reliever with a sub 500 record and he's in the he's in the baseball hall of fame and meanwhile like some of the best hitters ever steroids or not can't get in i can almost guarantee that guy told fucking amazing jokes told great stories um had a firm handshake jesse and see i when i saw the game i wanted to ask you guys this immediately and i didn't ask you over text would you have pulled john or andre vasilevsky would you have pulled andre vasilevsky after goal three guys yes or no not after goal three after goal four which i believe was uh second goal who scored number five darren helm yeah that's the one where i'm like okay i think your night's done and that would have been before the third period yeah natushkin if i'm not mistaken was a good

passing play like we gotta let jesse answer some too uh no no on that no on those two okay no so darren no no natushkin no darren helm no the two kale macar you've already pulled steve oh yeah you've already pulled okay no i considered it okay john cooper's quote was no i know what is i know god is quote the the reason i want to ask you guys whether you would have pulled him or not reason i don't pull uh andre vasilevsky is because he has a streak going of longest playoff starts without being pulled ever and he's like i don't know 20 games or something away he's like he's at like 80 and i think the all-time record is like 100 or something like that and i just out of honoring the record and seeing how high you can get up on the list i think he's like

third or fourth on i forget the graphic but just out of the respect of that that list i don't pull him ever i let him play forever so that makes john cooper's quote make a lot more sense than i didn't know that he said even if i did try to pull him out i don't think he would have come out that's the competitor he is he's the best goalie in the world he's our guy now i mean i respect the fact that john cooper respects vasilevsky enough because not every coach would care um i respect that he respects that enough is it a vasilevsky problem because people said game one he's a little shaky game two it's like holy shit seven goals or are the tampa bay lightning not playing elite level hockey which is what john cooper would have you believe which is also a quote putting brian

elliott into that game doesn't help you win that game yeah at no point a break i don't think he wants it yeah i don't think that helps him so 2015 um i think it was pete blackburn made a meme of uh ben bishop um but he basically photocopied a zombie cut in half from the walking dead in the Tampa crease, Ben Bishop was so, so, so injured and they refused to put ironically young backup Andre Vasilevsky. No way. Yep.

Uh, he did, he did eventually get into at least one game in the final, I think. Um, but they were going with him come hell or high water. It was their guy. If, if, if on the way back to Tampa, the lightning forgot Andre Vasilevsky's equipment in Denver, he would play game three in street

close. He he's playing. unless he's injured which he doesn't look hurt to me um and he's allowed to have a bad couple games yeah i mean the team didn't have a great game a bad series against the leafs a bad straight by his standards yes yeah and then was like game six came around he's like ah it's me all right it's me it's me fine um but yeah he's he if he was hurt i would say get him the rest Seems fine I have some trivia for you

Both of you Okay Because it's usually me versus Steve Now Jesse gets a turn I have trivia too Okay Based on this game Maybe it's the same question

I don't It's not gonna be Only one other Stanley Cup game Has a wider margin In terms of a shutout I do know the answer to this Can you name Who played

What year And what the score was It was the 1991 Stanley Cup final That's correct And I only know this because I saw the graphic During the

Friggin Watch The Stanley Cup playoffs with Steve Daniels So it would have been the Pittsburgh Penguins beating It was the Minnesota North Stars That's right Well done People forget the North Stars had a really good team

And for some reason left Minnesota That's still one of the most surprising Stupid thing that's ever happened in the NHL The Penguins that year had Six yet to be Hall of Famers or they had six Hall of Famers that year and Yarmir Yager also as well. Who are the Hall of Famers?

I'd have to look up the roster. Mario Lemieux. Sidney Crosby. I would imagine that you probably got Lemieux. You probably got Larry Murphy. You probably got Paul Coffey. You probably got Ron Francis.

Wait, when did Ron Francis? Yeah, Kevin Stevens maybe. Ryan Trottier? Trottier for sure. Maybe that's it right there. Oh, yeah. Was Mark? No, Recchi would have been on the Habs.

uh and jogger who's so wait but what about john john cullen could have been too because he was maybe yeah um let's guess let's not look up the answer i want to get yeah lemieux murphy's in there larry murphy made it i'm not gonna look that's what i want to do hey my favorite name of all time played on that team zarly zalapsky hey the best zarly zalapsky is etched into the stanley cup yep what a league yeah um lastly here Stamkos. It's always interesting to hear what Stamkos is. He was on that team?

Was not yet playing in the NHL. He's drafted that year. Stamkos. Washed up. About the lightning. Drafted by his parents. That was totally not acceptable, especially at this time of year. Listen, people are going to be watching this game tonight.

Probably think this series is over, Jesse. But our group, we're a very resilient group. So whether it's 1-0 or 7-0 or 10-0, it's a loss in the playoffs and you've got to move on. We've got to man up. as a team and as people let's get back home in front of our fans and let's see what they're made of so let me ask you this guys challenge what are the tampa by tampa bay lightning who have done this before they did it last round against the rangers what are they made of what happens in tampa over the next two games and i'm going to hold both of you to this

what happens they fire absolutely everything at the net no matter where it is uh no matter where it's from no matter how far out it is because colorado is giving them fits off the rush tampa isn't able to do shit offensively um so what they're going to try to do is they're going to try to get a lot of ozone draws win it back throw some shit on hope it goes off a leg or an ankle and it goes in that's the only way i see they have a path to beating colorado jesse so funny that you brought up throwing things on the net because that was the trivia i wanted to talk about just to demonstrate how dominant colorado was uh last game so during the first period uh colorado i won't even do it as trivia i'll just say the stat during the first period colorado had uh or

tampa had five shots on goal all five of those shots came outside of 33 feet from the net except for one i remember this stat yeah no all five of those the sixth shot on goal was the first one inside of 33 feet oh yes when did the sixth shot on goal happen seven minutes into the second seven 13 minutes left in the second period the tampa bay lightning finally got a shot within close range of the net it was near the end of the first period adam and the colorado avalanche still had more goals than the lightning had shots i was yeah oh i was able to watch this one live well i didn't in person you know no but i like sometimes i have to watch the next game or the next day right because if it's too late

certain periods i have to go to bed jesse asked a very valuable question how's the air in denver when you were there watching the game live on saturday it smells like weed and also it's thin smells like freedom yeah mountain freedom and kokanee no but it's hey you don't besmirch kokanee kokanee is a canadian beer i think though uh out west it was uh at the winnipeg wedding that i went oh there you go yeah i was like hey you guys are kokanee i haven't seen that in years anyway what we're talking about uh oh yeah tampa will have these brief bursts where they're like we're gonna hit everything and then you see them building momentum you're like oh and then they would get into the scraps after the whistle and you see them oh and then it just and then josh

manson head manning the puck snap goal just went away yeah yeah yeah so i guess game three will tell us whether or not the air is a factor because they look exhausted you should have been adjusted by then they landed there on what was it because what was saturday was rangers they got there like they got there like monday better part of a week game one was wednesday yeah no no excuses for the year better part of a week and i am gonna throw this out there uh you're probably wondering you know this is good you guys are on a good little streak of not talking about the leafs well nah here's how it affects them okay all right so the atlantic was monstrous this year it was monstrous florida was unbelievable uh tampa finished behind the leafs actually yep uh

Leafs were really good. Tampa was really good. Boston was really good and still only held on to a wild card spot. We already know Boston is going to be missing a bunch of players for the first few months of next year, including their top defenseman, their top left winger. I think there's another defenseman. I wonder, no matter how this series goes,

if Tampa goes, all right, we just went to three straight finals. we did it in a more compressed way than anyone ever has this guy's getting surgery this guy this guy this guy this guy and i wonder if they're a wild card team next yeah because and then and then everybody comes back and laughs well yeah but but they'll legit like be healed by that sure you know maybe maybe maybe we'll see not fully but there's so many guys like would anyone if i named any member of the tampa bay lightning and said they're getting surgery once the season's done would you bat an eye no all right no braden point yan ruda needs a full body replacement like something you know just crazy you see when stamkos went hard into the boards yeah with his hips and

just oh and headman doesn't look right at all colorado's done a great job with him points like yeah everyone just looks mangled also i have to tell you i i you know not talking about the leafs or whatever i do think the leafs and we'll talk about it later on but i do think the leafs need do everything they can to try to win the division next year and not have to play a team like tampa but wouldn't it be hilarious if they did uh hilarious right fucking hilarious that'd be hilarious it should be them in florida for the division yes it should um but i regular season it should uh i think in in seeing all this you know i i do really realize you you obviously the leafs and abs play like once a year and you see the abs play other teams twice a year maybe um

you play every team twice i don't know other than tampa i don't know another team in the east that could even have come this far and it's not like tampa's done well but i mean the avalanche playing the way they're playing without cadre i think they i think the least would have been dismantled the same way they're a faster skating team and when they used that against him it was great but the avalanche are even faster than that and i don't think i think what that what makes the avalanche so fucking scary is so they're so mobile on the back end you can't so mobile on the back end and their depth is fast yes uh you know what they don't necessarily have in skill like you know they've been flirting with the idea of taking alex new hook out of the lineup fuck you can fly

yeah i can nico sturm andrew cogliano who just got back into the lineup uh burakovsky can fly Nicolaou Bay-Kubel. How about Darren Helm? Yeah. Like, what a shot, apparently. Yeah. First playoff goal since I looked up the stats. The Ice Age.

Sorry? The Ice Age. The Ice Age. The second one. Yeah, well, there you go. So for a long time. There, what Colorado, Colorado has lost an important defenseman

in Sam Gerrard and an important, their second line center in Nazem Kadri. we're going to leave Cogliano out of this discussion because those are two pillars of your team we can go through the teams in the east we can go through the teams in the west

teams don't survive that no they just don't you're not supposed to it's a miracle Tampa is in the final sans Braden Point like that they got here how did you win two entire series including one where you were down two goals

and one where you swept the division winners without Braden Point he makes 9.5 million dollars how many teams are losing a guy like that and winning that's that's why you gotta even though tampa you know stuff nikita kucherov in a broom closet to fit him under the cap and have him in the playoffs dude they made the playoffs they got a division playoff spot not even a wild card they got a division playoff spot with their most highly paid forward on the shelf intentionally no team can do that no no team can do that so colorado being uh you know we focus on their top end talent they got depth that no team can really

fuck with john tortorella coach of the philadelphia flyers it seems apropos doesn't it it sounds right it feels right and apparently according to john it's exactly what he wanted so he said back in 2004 we were fortunate enough enough excuse me fortunate enough i was coaching tampa and we went through philly to win the stanley cup beating the philly in the conference finals and i remember telling my wife uh man this is a place i would love an opportunity to be and coach the passion of the people the building everything about the city it really it was neat for me i remember my first meeting with chuck when we started this he wore a shirt with the uh with the emblem and i said man that's where i want to be and even though the flyers are not playing like the flyers should

like they're not playing the flyers brand they will he coaches the flyers brand does he not yeah a hundred percent hundred percent the flyers i'm telling you they're gonna make a bunch of moves this offseason and a lot of the stat heads are gonna be like that's fucking stupid and like almost every decision and john tortorella is going to do what john tortorella does and drag them to a wild card spot or something with like the worst looking team you've ever seen on paper and an overachieving goalie they've said that that you know chuck fletcher said that uh um he liked the fact that torts has a um has a rap sheet for being excuse me he likes the fact that torts has a a reputation

for being demanding and essentially he here's what he said about it chuck fletcher that is ultimately said players will respond if they know you're demanding but if you're demanding in a sense that you care about them uh you want what's best for them you're not demanding for yourself blah blah blah bunch of words salad but essentially what he's saying is too we're not going to keep players here that won't live up to those um uh structure is going to be a huge focus they talked about that defense comes first not in the not at the expense of offense but ask patrick linea about that um one of the things that i think is going to be very interesting is where carter hart finds himself through this they because goalies stop the damn puck goalies do well in the tort system

did you didn't hello goalies do really well that off goalies do well in the tortorella system i mean it's it's i mean you look at look at what happened with columbus and their goalies right great development yeah two good goalies amazing just carter heart become the carter heart we thought he might be able to be uh yeah but you gotta get him a freaking backup you gotta get him a good backup um who i i think he might be a little too old for the whole mentor thing but just someone calm who can play games and not be shitty like it feels like that should be somewhat easy to find someone to split the net with him someone who understands that it's going to be carter hart's net one day but wants to actively keep the net away from him you gotta

have a goal he wants to play yes you know what i mean so they're not going to undermine him but they want to outperform him get a goalie to compete with carter hart john tortorella is going to be challenging carter hart every day well and and kim atkinson who tweeted by the way you made that joke about Kim Atkins is probably like, no, apparently they're, they're actually really good friends. And, and, uh, he, he, uh, we're not friends, but he enjoys, Cam now enjoys playing for, for Torts. And he said, behind the scenes, I've heard nothing but rave reviews from players who play for him. He said, I think it all starts with practice. You practice how you play. And that's, especially when I learned when I turned pro, I learned that from John Tortorella

and Torts said, um, when I got to Columbus, Cam was being sat out. I'm not sure what happened. cam was stubborn and i like his stubbornness i think players of that quality uh what he has to do with his size uh is a player in the nhl that can be top notch so i there's a little bit of a little bit of love there and towards said there's more there with kevin hayes um and i thought this was interesting because really tough season for kevin chuck fletcher yeah of course considering what happened with familial yeah but the one thing i thought was the most interesting in all this because i'm reading the broad street hockey sort of breakdown but i watched the press conference um and my thing was they the flyers have acted like not only are

they going to be playoffs but they're going to be a top tier team for three years now every year chuck fletcher i mean he's been there what two two and a half i can't even tell but every day they come out one no has it been just the one i think so okay well whatever there's a lot of bluster coming out of philadelphia big signings and you know some big moves with alice last year and whatever and fletcher was named general manager in 2018 yeah i thought so of the flyers of the flyer and then he signed the hayes deal and the ellis he was a general manager uh 2018 to present then he was executive vice president plus uh gm 2018 to 2019 uh so the same time he and the president of hockey operations 2019 to present so he's gm and president of hockey

operations chuck fletcher since 2018 slash 19 damn can i chalk that one up to covid yeah holy yeah yeah oh of course like what but still like you don't have to know that like it's yes i do you don't have to know that you don't have google in front of you right now but but fletcher's been there a while and it's blustery right before the season starts they're always like let's go and that's why i think flyers fans are so upset because it's like you've told us to get amped up for this team and you've sold us bullshit it's been a terrible this is not philadelphia flyers hockey and torts in the press conference said temper your expectations it's not we're not there yet i think they're gonna go out and buy again this off season and i think they'll

kind of be better by default because ryan ellis played four games yeah yeah i have more fingers on my right hand than uh ryan ellis played games and uh sean couturier as well coming back yeah You know, they're just going to be healthier. And I think just overall, everybody's going to play better just by default, new head coach. And then Chuck Fletcher, because he can't help himself and has too much money because the ownership decides to give him all this money, is going to go out and buy. They might sign Nassim Khadri and all of a sudden they're in a wildcard spot. It's one thing when your team is trash.

It's another thing when your team underachieved. I would file the Flyers under they underachieved based on the way they're based. I think they were trash and underachieved. I mean, I think they were bad. Rasmussen versus the line-in was not a great move. Not a disaster move. It was. Oh, that's good.

You know what? How he plays under torts is going to be fascinating. It's going to be fascinating. But I think the Philadelphia Flyers, the main dish is underachieved, and there's trash to dip it in. You know what I mean? Yeah, okay. I think they're more underachieved.

There's more there. And what could they get this year? They could bring Johnny Gaudreau close to home. Potentially. They could bring, unless he goes to Jersey. uh they could bring nazim kadri in on a big fat contract they're gonna do a bunch of things that could really change the trajectory for me under torts huh oh yeah the problem i have is is their defense man their defense alex gotta be healthy wrist alignance i don't understand well i don't

understand the dissonance with rasmus wrist align because you've got people who are into stats where like this guy is really just he's just a guy and then you've got people within the game who are like he's great look at this big fat extension we're going to sign him to and give up a first round pick buffalo was like that now philly's like that what's where is he what is he i think with bristoline and you see all the tools we've seen him score highlight real goals he's big he's nasty the tools are there his decision making is interplanetary like i don't i don't know i don't know why he does half the things he does and it leads to horrendous numbers against it leads to his team getting outshot when he's on the ice getting outscored when he's on the ice

um and a lot of that is the way he was developed in buffalo in my opinion um you know look look at the leaps and strides um that rasmus doline made in season this year because buffalo like in one fell swoop started to pull their heads out of their ass yep you know so i i think a big reason ristolainen is the way he is is a lack of development or anything in buffalo in the last decade or anything and and torts who knows maybe torts looks at the skill set that ristolainen has and he goes give me that i could have some fun with that the one thing i'm gonna say and i did criticize the flyers about this i remember many months ago it well ryan ellis is out of the lineup yeah you knew that might happen man if any player might get hurt this

player who has been hurt often in recent memory might get hurt and did and he's in his 30s that's your fault that's your fault like i i have sympathy for him i have sympathy for ryan ellis sure seems like a good guy yeah i don't have sympathy for the flyers for having to go through that you knew that was potentially going to be a problem and there it was so when you say when you go through how the flyers can do better next season and you're like well ryan ellis has to be healthy okay well then they're fucked like you're leaving way too much up to chance yeah you got to go out and support ryan ellis yeah you mentioned their back end there adam and how that needs to be better you need uh guys like pro verov and seinham to take the next step

like it's about time you're 25 26 it's either you're gonna pay you're gonna be there and you're gonna be the stalwarts on the back end that we need you to be and take this team in the playoffs or like we're gonna give up on you i think it's about time i think he's gone with a capital g oh yeah yeah it's the it's a big contract 6.75 million dollars for the next three years so they're gonna find somebody who's gonna be a taker but it's an interesting move if they want to get rid of them there's a piece you can get a lot of pieces back for yeah i'm gonna say whispers not rumblings but uh yeah provrov whispers okay but like like trade rat whispers yeah yeah that would be amazing no call there's no actually and provrov one deal let's go it's not leafs there's no

restrictions there they can't afford the contract there's no restrictions there on like a no move or no trade or anything so they're free to move them if they want there you go um uh i'm actually updating this as of a few minutes ago uh uh we know that uh pete deborah has been um linked to the stars and i say linked because some people said he was the coach he's not yet the head coach contract is not done four years four million dollars per so he's the head coach that's what they're saying they're working they're hammering away he's that in the words of pierre that's that's the uh limbo that we were in with torts on like thursday yeah when everyone's like yeah So Stars fans do not seem happy about this

And they're blaming Pavelski And I don't know if that's totally fair He played for them in San Jose See, DeBoer's been with a bunch of teams New Jersey, San Jose, Vegas, and now Dallas He's been to the Stanley Cup Final with three different teams Right And lost them all, I believe

Yeah, the Devils, the Sharks No, not Vegas Yeah Okay Was he the coach who went to the final? Yeah. He's been to the Stanley Cup. Oh, conference final.

Yeah. Conference final three times. Yeah, Gallant took them to the Stanley Cup final, right? I believe so. Yeah, two times Stanley Cup final, one time conference final with the Golden Knights. Yeah. So Pete DeBoer, what do we make about this change in Dallas? Only because Dallas has been a defense first team for a long, long time.

Is Pete DeBoer going to be a defense first kind of coach? Or does the identity of the Dallas Stars change to more what it was in the late 90s, which is high scoring hard hitting i mean people underrate how good vegas was defensively they sort of built around that too we're gonna go out we're gonna get petrangelo we're gonna get martinez uh we're gonna get mark stone who's good defensive forward up front so i don't think it's one or the other with the boar i think he generally coaches well does he make that team better yeah you think they're better i think the dallas fans are depressed right now i'm reading the tweets people like please god they actually people are telling pierre lebrun to not tweet about it

because it's ruining their monday like i i'm like listen the guys had a pretty positive record and i understand why people are like you know the nhl passes around the same 40 guys as head coaches and there's no new ideas i agree with you but as long as they're doing that he's got a pretty good record right last week andrew berkshire and i recorded an episode of the jesse blake sports report where we ran down all of the opening coaching positions and we filled them in with coaches that are out there for i can't believe how trash it was for dallas we kind of put pete deborah there and we said a large part of that is his record in the past of getting the most out of teams and um proving that he can win pete deborah has been to the conference finals five times in

10 years that is an incredible record for a head coach he he's he's done a fantastic job with an older with older cores who are ready to win which i think dallas looks at it and they're like we still got an opportunity here and i think peterboard can go in there and get the most out of these guys i don't know why you'd be upset with the fire of these the yeah so here's what's interesting too so he actually coached three years in florida i forgot this from uh 08 to 11 but in the last since 2015-16 when when the sharks lost in the uh cup final jesse mentioned all the the appearances. Stanley Cup Finals,

first round loss, second round loss, conference final loss, conference final loss, conference final loss. Five times in 10 years, conference final. Oh, sorry.

Stanley Cup Semifinals last year. Was that second round? That's second round. Yeah. Okay. I mean, that's the last

and then missed the playoffs. One year without winning a round. That is in seven years. Winning a round. Seven years, he's six in the playoffs and five of those years,

he's in the second round minimum. You got to remember that twitter is not real life and uh pete deborah is not a popular figure on hockey twitter um because of back-to-back years of his treatment of mark andre flurry yeah that's fair and then this year his treatment of robin leonard he's not a popular figure um for those reasons that's that's why the stars stars fans reaction doesn't match his record at all because i was thinking about that and i was like ah you know sort of you know the way you rib a friend when something unfortunate happens to them you know it's kind of funny watching like grav go through it oh no i

don't want to bore but then you look at his record and you're like okay wait why why don't you want to bore right and it's he's he's been unpopular he's a stars fans are like we need to protect jason robertson with our whole heart like we can't have somebody come in here and bully i don't think he's been bully our kid i mean what's yeah that's not gonna happen jason robertson doesn't play goalie so he doesn't have to worry i'd be more worried about it and an unestablished player like i understand that concern oh you don't want this coach to come in and be a dick to this kid who's trying to break into the league that's not jason robertson he's like their top scorer that's not but i think the board's not gonna be like hey key to our offense i know but

Like Marc-Andre Fleury, you're like, that's the biggest star in the universe, and look what he did to him. Asterisk, goalie. A lot of head coaches and scouts and GMs, they don't know the first thing of what to do with a goalie. My favorite thing is talking to scouts about this player, and they can tell you their blood type and just everything. And what about this guy on defense?

Oh, wow. What about this goalie? Hey, hey, hey, don't even ask me. don't even ask me and that's why you see some coaches and maybe deborah's among them um be dicks to their goalies because they don't know the first thing about them and they're like listen your job go in stop the puck that's it i don't what is it that babs used to say before the game close the door mr whoever's going in the net yeah it'd be like he'd announce the starting lineup he'd be like close the door mr anderson like that literally that's it or shall we keep

telling Steve Breer to fuck off. Yeah. And it ends, but so it's Sheldon Keefe literally just going through footage with Steve Breer. Why the fuck did that go in? Why did that go in?

Why did that? All he sees is a puck going in. I don't, I don't, I mean, I'm sure it's a little bit less novice than it just,

it went behind him. Like I'm sure he's seeing how the puck is going in, but generally speaking, teams hire goalie coaches and like goalie whisperers to evaluate this shit. um their their coach doesn't know the first thing about it or if they do they certainly don't care

oh he had a tough night and he didn't even give a shit the lender was injured isn't it funny that it i just think it's so funny hockey's such a weird sport that you can hire a coach and he knows nothing about the single most important position in the sport hockey should be called goalie and why are goaltender goal goalie coaches considered as because you could have your assistants run the offense and defense why can't you have a head coach that was a goalie coach you never see that it's you probably do new ones happened it's happened you have you have situation in the nfl with head coaches who are like i don't touch the defense i have a defensive coordinator who handles that and they do the play calling i don't defensive i don't handle half of

it but you should at least be able to evaluate sure if it's they're all they're all talented evaluators you know yeah but like i think they'll see a bad one go in and they're like oh really fucked us there like you should wish to stop that yeah like that's that's kind of felt like what shelvin keith was saying that whole time yeah stop it freddie is not good enough right now why isn't he good enough well he you know he's battling something cool well he's playing though do we need to take him out is he ready is he not ready coaches don't have time for this if you they're all trying to win games they're wired differently they're all just they're trying to piss silent anxiety it's no they act like they have to piss at all times

they are fidgety aren't they yeah very fidgety and irritable because they're just this could have been an email i have to go to the bathroom and i think that's that's a coach in a nutshell listen just stop the damn thing the contract thing with the boar um i was just looking at my notes from the show that we did the the dispute might be that because he still owed 3.25 million dollars from the golden knights through the 2023 season so they have to factor that into his oh he's getting a race he's getting four million yeah so they have to like work out the situation where oh with the golden knights yeah so the golden knights have to be part of that owe him 3.25 million through next season so they have to work that into the next contract

because of how so a lot of a lot of people don't know this but it's probably a good chance to explain so coach contracts are guaranteed so when your favorite team fires a coach in the nhl they pay him so when you give him a four-year deal and he's only there for one and a half you're paying him the rest and if another team wants to hire him and let's say they want to give him a race like with pete deborah um vegas and dallas then have to chat and say okay how are we going to split it for the one year that you still owe him and we want him uh and dallas vegas i think i think what they can do i think they can i don't know if there's a ability to block but there is some leverage that the former team has and so what will end up happening here is dallas and vegas will

fight over this and dallas and vegas will end up splitting the money so what will end up happening is vegas will still pay half of the 3.125 million and dallas will pay that plus whatever it takes to get him their half of that plus whatever it takes him to get to four million even because you can't so they're paying 50 of 3.125 plus this under the rules you'd be like oh so why don't uh dallas just pay him three million dollars and then vegas picks up the whole contract you can't do that no that's against the rules yeah you have to find a way to pay him uh the market value and what he's worth and since that's already established there you're gonna have to pay him more now on top of what you already paid because you can't just be like oh the other team's covering the

bill yeah that's the rules if you're head coach steve and you're being moved from vegas to dallas you don't care your number is four million they've agreed to give you four million who gives it to you who gives a shit right what you need to know is pete deborah is going to make four million bucks next year listen i don't care who pays it just make sure it comes on time um i want to ask you this okay well here one more thing one more thing pete deborah's goal is jake ottinger some people are just really lucky he should take him out for drinks right away and be like jake listen i'm not what they say he needs to do that immediately it ain't me jake um i noticed that you stopped most of the pucks that come your way and that's my favorite thing about you please

please keep what the hair i have left in my head in my head do you have a dog don't tell me its name i don't care all i care about you is that you there you go you stopped 96 of pucks on the on the topic of coaches okay and let's just talk about this in a in a in a environment that's competitive you guys can relate to media media coach whatever okay let's say you've taken over a prominent job from somebody who was fired over a previous infraction at their job so they were very good at their job and it's a prominent job but they were fired over an infraction and i it doesn't you know in a corporate setting whatever it is you would never find out what that infraction is because that's all sealed right but you come in and you do such a great job with your your

corporate team that you actually win industry awards or at least industry recognition for the work that you've done. And your team is one of, if not the most highest performing within the company and within the industry. But the organization told you from the beginning, hey, listen, this is a fill and roll. We're not totally, we'll let you try to prove yourself here, but we are going to interview other candidates. And they start the interview process after you've done all the good things. Are you upset when you find out that after leading the team to a ton of great success um industry wide recognition a lot of people going holy smokes look at that that's amazing are you upset that they are still then interviewing candidates for the job

don't let's not talk about who this is because i know that you know but are i just want to know jesse and steve are you upset i am upset because i can't help but feel like months and months of hard work are being erased from the equation because i performed poorly for seven days that's not what part of the hypothesis hypothesis i asked you not to go there i didn't i asked you if you were upset i that's that was my hype okay jesse yeah i was upset you're upset you're upset i'm very upset in this setting you're andrew brunette yep interim head coach what still interim head coach of the florida panthers oh my god that's nuts now i understand in sports you gotta do what you gotta do i'd watch his documentary on apple plus okay well i just

so we're saying there's gonna be people out there who are like hey listen he they played like shit against tampa and this guy's an interim head coach and the team has to do what the team needs to do to get the best head coach in the door okay but cassidy's gone looks like trotz is probably not going there uh deborah's not going there tortorella's not going there interviewing all these people none of them are going but as andrew burnett are you feeling like come on what else do you want from me because ultimately other than the seven games that's seven days that steve talked about what could have gone better for the panthers this year playoff success they made it to the second round now you you got to remember bill zito is not in a good way because he was teflon

and i'm gonna go out and i'm gonna i'm gonna get this guy and i'm gonna give up whatever assets it takes to get him pleasure and i'm gonna go out and get that guy jeff petrie and no the other one bench rock oh sorry bench rock the other one less hockey more cross checking and uh anyway I'm gonna go out and get this guy

and I don't care what it costs because this is our year and then you get swept in the second by the Florida loss no but you get swept by Tampa the Florida loss to Tampa looks worse than the Toronto loss to Tampa yes

Toronto should feel better about how their season ended more than Florida should feel better about how their season ended, even though one of those teams went to the second round and the other one lost in the first round. I think there's more positives to take away from Toronto's ending than Florida's ending. Because, okay, as Leafs fans, we have to get out of our head about this whole one-round thing.

How much better is losing in the second round, really? Leafs lose in the second round next year. Are we going to be high-fiving? i can tell you if we are we're losers but we will hey no no we are losing after winning but like then i'll high five after the game after round round one ends that's like we don't you're still not even halfway there we don't high five when they lose when have we ever done that why would that change oh i know when they were going for the first overall pick we did yeah they won that they won that in a draw through losses but they won it they were the best losers they had the

best and they won they won that loss anyway florida's loss it looked bad on brunette it looked bad on brunette it looked bad on zito it looked bad on everyone so here's the thing florida over recent years has borrowed a lot from the chicago blackhawks um they've like in terms of players in terms of management in terms of coaching and they're borrowing another thing from the chicago blackhawks which is overreacting to a sweep despite having a really good regular season and they're doing that right now potentially like they're shopping sergey bobrovsky which i'm not even saying is a bad idea retaining 50 might be um we're not going to bring back this all-star coach who got us didn't they win the president's trophy or was

it they won the president so they won the president's trophy our president's trophy winning coach um and we're not going to bring them back because i feel embarrassed because i spent a bunch of draft picks and prospects and we fucking lost anyway and i feel really bad about that that's what happened to chicago when they got swept by pecorine and the nashville predators three goals in four games and they've been dog shit ever since oh my god there's another thing they borrowed from the blackhawks scoring just three goals in four games yeah weird was the goalie finish ah he wasn't but he'll be in the hall of fame the coyotes have officially received the go-ahead to negotiate with tempe city council after an eight-hour meeting with the public

on concerns about the new arena project the entertainment district here are some of the things that you might want to know taking away from this and i gotta say if the plan goes through as it's planned and there was like a 90-page document submitted and i can't believe that on a you know a sports podcast we're like oh how about this arena but it's a big story with the coyotes because there's a lot of people in arizona that are coyotes fans that really believe this is the time and i want to believe it too but remember from as an outsider this is still the team that didn't pay their taxes on time so we're you can forgive us right yeah no you can't actually there's a lot of people are like no we can't forgive you no matter what it's weird that you

don't think this is bad i'm just gonna say that on behalf of everyone else but the franchise took a big step forward and they are now able to negotiate on a proposed development of about two billion dollars and it'll be a new arena entertainment district and residential units as well so like condos so to so pop basically and um i think it's what's fascinating about this it is a deep reference from south park but a good one so it's a show called south park i don't know if you've heard of it um the two sides apparently have already started very limited run uh have started hashing out details. It's a 46 acre tract of land, but they're going to finance this entirely privately. And they're hoping to buy the land from the city. So oftentimes in these cases,

if the city owns the land, they might just lease it to you and you build the building on top of it, but you're paying like a hundred year lease or something like that. They want to buy the land and they're asking Tempe for a direct, some of the sales tax generated by the private real estate to pay for bonds with the land and the real estate but basically this is going to gutierrez and his team the guys that own it are paying for this themselves that's what they're saying and i i have to tell you i haven't been impressed with it so far but if there's one thing i'm really impressed with it's billionaires paying for billionaire shit to make them richer and i don't understand why this doesn't happen more i'm not going to say good for him i'm going to say

good for tempe they have the leverage here and they're using it good for the city of tempe absolutely like you're making a billionaire pay for stuff which seems like the bare minimum and it's super not like calgary fans yeah there it is calgary had an arena already approved that fell through because i think of i think it was inflation yeah tried to manipulate several elections the deal didn't yeah the team tried to manipulate several elections they didn't they didn't account for inflation in the deal that they signed with the city and asked the city for more money and the city said no i respect it you know it's like it's like when um mlse when they expanded uh bemo field here in in uh toronto the organization didn't even bother going to city

asking for money they spent the 50 million themselves because listen mlse's got 50 million bucks but also um it's it's it's sort of a bullshit thing and they know in this city how that's going to play and we saw with pittsburgh i think it was their their new hockey arena it caused cuts to several different things including i believe education when they had to help pay for it and it's just one of those things where it's a little detail but i want to say thumbs up i you know i i want with the coyotes are going to get or if the coyotes ownership not the coyotes players or their fans coyotes ownerships if i'm going to be hard on them i also have to say hey listen that was great and i'm happy to hear that and the proposal is no public money thumbs up yeah i

don't know how they got there but i'm happy that's where they're that's great the other thing the coyotes are planning to do and i think this is a smart move although i think it should be more coyotes are planning to offer 500 tickets to every game to arizona state students alone oh that's great which is awesome now 32 the arena 3200 people will be able to be there so that's roughly a quarter so that's about that's the equivalent in an hl arena but giving away 4 000 seats every game wow wow four to five thousand good i mean you're good and you should good invest in your product and and let's you know make no bones about it it is an investment yes because listen you're not making money over the next few years you're not there's no situation

where you make money unless your equity will go up but you're you're yeah you're gonna lose money If you, if the Coyotes with all their draft picks this year drafted five Connor McDavid's made two of them play defense and played them 60 minutes a game and just had, you can watch the best hockey you've ever seen in your entire life. They wouldn't be able to charge an amount of money that would, uh, make them profitable. They just wouldn't. You'd have to sell last row seats for $5,000 a piece and they would still lose unbelievable amounts of money. So, in absence of making money, you need to plant your flag. Here we are. We're a lot of fun.

You're going to have a great time watching the Arizona Coyotes. Bring your student card to get 20% off concessions. Get 20% off concessions. Come have a beer. Come have some snacks. Oh, no, no, no. 21 drinking. Right, sorry.

Don't have a beer. Canadian, my bad. Come not have a beer unless you're at the end of fourth year, maybe. and get a jersey here's why you should believe in and be interested in the arizona coyotes by the way the whole not drinking till 21 is i don't get it it's the biggest sham in in oh yeah that's the that's that's the law to me that you're like everybody has broken that law republicans and democrats just just get rid of it it's weird because of what the states are you know what i mean no it's well when i go there it's it's

i i still i tell this story when i went to pennsylvania and i got a 38 pair of pants for 38 oh yeah because there's no sales tax yeah like everything is just free market free everything the most freedom to the point where it's a little bit scary sometimes the freedom in certain cities they're falling over themselves to sell you alcohol like they're just yeah like it's it's funny because like you you see with other vices people like whoa whoa whoa but with booze it's like totally okay yeah and and and they're like here here take a take it here's a fish bowl here's a fish bowl yeah full of we don't know how much drink it between four friends don't die please don't die drink it between four friends yeah yeah we're gonna put four straws in it because we're

legally we have to and one guy drinks out of all four of them it's true but for some reason 21 so apparently the reason that it's like 20 it used to be 18 because if you could go to war you should be able to drink which in canada it's 19 but you can still go to war at 18 19 some parts some parts um uh apparently if you wanted highway money in the 80s during the reagan administration which is like a super conservative he was the you know president for most of the 80s um he said if you want money from the federal government for this you have to raise your drinking age to 21 but their free market like that's why it's confusing to me it's it's very confusing like i you're at you're asking me to make sense of something that i do not i do not know and i know that every i

would imagine that 90 of people that have had a drink in the united states had it before 21 so it doesn't make any sense but anyway on the arizona coyotes i think people have the perception about when we talk about them that we're not rooting for hockey in arizona and i think it's so the opposite of everything that we believe because the hockey scene down there by everything that we've read and everything we've heard is absolutely thriving and that it's a it's a growing community and that they've done a lot of great for uh usa hockey in particular and generating players and now we're actually finally starting to see the the groundwork being laid for a sustainable future for hockey in arizona you said finally can you not put stank on it

and you said finally how friggin dare you be i think and unfortunately with no i'm indignant that anyone would why do we have to qualify that are you are you like are you fucking serious stop also but also they're exhausted from hearing about it too right i want to i want to be fair to that okay i think it's i got that but our our job is also to comment on the situation and provide context and that it's been a rocky road for nearly 20 years bullshit and jesse they signed a 25 year lease in 20 2015 with glendale they're fine thank you it's been great and i feel like you bullied my thought into uh i just want to acknowledge both sides in that yes it's been a real struggle to reach this point for arizona and growing the coyotes and i think

we're finally at a situation where we can say hey after this hopefully only two year but it's looking like three-year run at asu we're gonna have a home for the coyotes forever and we're not looking at a franchise moving around like we don't look at the la kings and be like oh you know what the kings might move to kansas city any day now no they're just gonna be like every other franchise where they're gonna stick there and that's great for them but also it took a while to get here because of the politics that go on there with shaky owners and now we're finally here and that's a very good thing you know what i'm happy for hockey in arizona i'm tired of i'm tired of the canadian media that's what i've heard it's the canadian media like we want we don't we

don't want the arizona coyotes in canada we want them to stay i'm just thinking every time i bring it up i'm like houston makes a lot of sense doesn't it i put on when i like a team in quebec city sure but i don't want it at the expense of hockey in arizona our best players from arizona and as a hockey player because of the coyotes because of you come on and my my advice would be to put on a gas mask fill it with farts and take deep breaths the quality of which would belong to an olympic swimmer no i don't think get out of here you shouldn't close your eyes and pretend like it's all been positive in arizona it's been great uh and we're finally they brought back the kachina it's great and we're at a point where it's positive now um it

well and i like the fact that there's no public money i really love that okay yes now on a more serious note and we're gonna have more on this as the week goes on because it's important these people are testifying today multiple officials from hockey canada will be in ottawa today ottawa is uh canada's capital city for anyone that doesn't know uh to testify in a canadian parliamentary hearing uh in front of the standing committee on canadian heritage and will take questions from the committee uh about the lawsuit uh involving hockey canada i believe was the 2018 yes uh world championships there are world junior championships yep sorry uh and there was eight players from the team involved there was a lawsuit settled a sexual assault lawsuit i'm not going to get into the

details because when we do actually um first off you should read the article that rick put out you should read the article that came out today with katie strang and sean shapiro i believe are the two ian mendez ian mendez is in there too yeah ian mendez dan robson and katie strang excuse me and um you know it's again i want to put out a trigger warning for sexual assault survivors for sure um but i think it's important that you take a read it's a it's a tough read steve just retweeted it a few hours ago and i think it's important that you read it and then of course we'll kind of be able to i think we'll be able to know because i don't believe these hearings are closed i think they're open you could see them they're going to be reported on right now

yeah so we're going to find out as the uh as it goes on and obviously the you know the person that broke that is rick westhead and we're currently working with rick and his insanely busy schedule uh to discuss this and i think um we've been teasing that for weeks i think that the major quote from this and they have it right at the top from the athletic article here is we haven't learned a damn thing and so i think it'll be uh um hopefully it's a it's a sobering moment and hopefully some change out of this one as well so with that we are going to go to the press conference