The Steve Dangle Podcast - Who to Boo | December 15, 2023

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, come down to Kingston for SDP night with the Frontenacs! https://kingstonfrontenacs.com/ (00:00), the Leafs play terribly against the Blue Jackets, but then are incredible (06:00), is Chris Tanev still on the trade block? (31:00), changes in the Minnesota Wild front office (42:00), Jordan Kyrou is booed by St. Louis Blues fans (47:00), mic'ing up NHL players (1:08:00), Perry's contract termination (1:20:00), All-Star game changes (1:23:00), NHL standings problems (1:25:00), and Zegras and the Capital (1:31:00). Visit this episode's sponsors: https://kingstonfrontenacs.com/ For all the odds and to learn more visit https://betmgm.com/DANGLE Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://igamingontario.ca/en/player/responsible-gambling Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Must be 19+ or older to play. Use code SDP for $20 off your first SeatGeek order. https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SDP Make your brain your friend, with BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/sdp today to get 10% off your first month. Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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No, no, Duel Evil will not be there, but we will be. Kingston, Frontenac, SDPN, we're taking over at the game against the Saginaw Spirit on January 21st, 2024. It is a Sunday, Stephen Angle podcast night. So we will actually be doing a show afterwards at the Merchant Tavern, which is right, sorry, the Merchant Taphouse, excuse me, which is right next door. So you only have to cross the street.

Also, as a part of this package, if you buy the VIP package, and a lot of people were like, hey, I didn't see this on the Ticketmaster. don't worry it's already included if you're one of the people that buys the vip 65 bucks uh you get to skate you get on the first line yeah you get not on the first line you get to skate uh you get skate with us on the ice and barrack the bear let's not forget barrack uh we get to you get to go to the kingston front next game uh and then you get to come to our show at the merchant tap house following the game and you get vip sitting sitting at the restaurant and you get a meal voucher as well you're sure it's barrack barrack the bear it's not barack no it's not barack

I believe the skate starts at 11. Yes. So you've got to be able to get down there for 11 to noon. I think we've got an hour on the ice. So it starts so early because they have to prepare the ice for the game after we destroy it with our bad skating. Exactly. And then, of course, if you're good skating,

why did the camera go to me? Why was that? What happened there? I think it was a fair point. The camera made a good point. Also, if you want to spend 50 bucks, you still get a ticket to the Frontenac's game. you still get a ticket to the Steve Dangle Podcast live show

and you still get a meal voucher for the Merchant's App House. So you still get the meal as well. You still get it. 50 bucks. KingstonFrontenax.com. Act fast. Because actually, the ticket sold really, really well. And then we had a bunch of people that got an error message.

That has since been rectified. And if you continue to have issues, please don't be afraid to tweet or call the Frontenax because somebody actually will pick up the phone. You know why we got the error message? Because we're Taylor Swift and we overloaded Ticketmaster with our Kingston Frontenax. Ah, yes.

we caused Ticketmaster to crash and a lot of people couldn't get their tickets. More like the Saginaw spirit. Like, nah, I'm not cheering for them. That was good. I'm not really sure where that was going to... I don't know where that came from.

Are you telling me that's not spirit? Dog? The only thing I know about the Saginaw spirit is that at one point, Stephen Colbert was their mascot. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Stiegel, Stiegel, Stiegel, Colbeagle, the Eagle or something like that. That's what they, he had his, he had his fans vote on it and they won.

And so it was a mascot with glasses for a while. I'm not sure if it's still the same. Probably not. It's probably not nearly as cool because they're playing the front next and the fronts are going to win. That's right. It's true. It's a good point.

It's a good point. Now we were talking about John Tavares and getting booed and there's been a whole bunch of different things, but I wanted to mention this because Corey Everman messaged me and he said hey adam after uh hearing you guys talk about tavara's getting booed on the most recent episode i wanted to chime in i'm a blue jackets fan i consider myself an expert on players leaving my team uh dubois jones panarin brovsky etc etc nash zach warensky the only blue jacket ever to stick around he stays still there he stay rick nash did stick around for a while he did he left longer than he ought to have uh and while he said and while these players still get booed when they

touch the puck in columbus there is one player who is still getting booed even though he hasn't been a blue jacket since 2012 can you name the player 2012 i was my first instinct was seth jones but that that that was like recently yeah and i was seth jones traded because he wouldn't sign an extension yes okay yeah he that i was like logically seth jones didn't want to be there They traded into the Blackhawks. Blackhawks suck. He gets booed all the time, but I guess that's not the case.

I know who it is. I know you know. Everyone forgets this player was ever a Blue Jacket. That's how bad he was as a Blue Jacket. Jeff Carter. Jeff Carter. Summer of 2011, the Blue Jays, Blue Jackets traded fan favorite Jake Vorchek.

Oof. And a 2011 first round pick, which turned into Sean Couturier. Ooh! And a 2011 third round pick, which turned into who? Just guess. 2011 third round Philadelphia.

Dua Lipa. nick cousins no way to the philadelphia flyers to do a leap i know i know damn uh for jeff carter fans thought this was finally the center to play with rick nash instead we got a big cry baby who did nothing but complain about being traded didn't show up for the first practices forced his way out of town after eight months and then later won the cup with the kings that yeah he was rewarded with the highest honor in the sport you better believe jeff carter gets booed and will continue to get booed in columbus until he retires right on his tenure in columbus is unbelievable that package oh my gosh yo he pulled a pld long before pld did you hear what the lease were going to get

for sundin when when they were going to trade him to the flyers wasn't it flyers yeah they almost there was a vancouver package on the table and there was a philadelphia package on the table no so the philadelphia package included jeff carter and i think a couple of picks and or mike richards uh the vancouver package the vancouver package was something else and i can't remember what that was but it was also pretty enticing um wasn't and matt's basically said i'm not don't trade me and they didn't and then he left no he retired and then signed with vancouver is like six months later wasn't there a rumor that like sundine was going to go to the flames and they were going to offer like prize prospect brandon prust oh is that right and i

don't know that well glad that i don't remember that oh but uh yeah anyway i just thought that was uh that was interesting maybe it was kind of who do you boo that's our new that's our new segment who you boo who do you boo uh on the stp um now there is a lot of nhl news we're not going to get to all of it but we'll start with the leafs coming back from a five nothing deficit to the Columbus Blue Jackets who have blown the most leads in the NHL to this point. They have the worst plus minus in the third period in the entire NHL.

I believe it's a minus 30. Oh my God. In just the third period. And frankly, when they mentioned that on the broadcast, I'm like, wouldn't it be funny if, and they get a couple goals in the first three minutes, that Nylander goal, I was like, maybe I should stick around for this.

And it started to happen. And now, in true Leafs style, the Leafs lost in overtime. Because you can't have it all. 100%. Just like the Tavares one. You can't have it. But Mike Stevens, to his credit, in the group chat, was like, I've never been more sure.

It was 5-4 or 5-5 at the time. He goes, I've never been more sure of an overtime loss in my life. Oh, it's true. Yeah, absolutely. Now, it's funny. That overtime was spectacular. Wide open, crazy, and the Leafs could have ended it. It was all Leafs.

Leafs could have ended it three times. hilarious make it happen yeah um listen i think what's really really important here is like there are people today who are like i you know nylander i think said post game uh i like the fact that this team is confident enough to know that we can come back and there are people rightly criticizing that because um you don't want to fall down that far and i get that right uh and and you had sheldon keith say after the game there was some stuff here that was like unforgivable but given or unacceptable and given what's happened you know i'm glad that we got the point or whatever so let's explain for context why the leafs were it was probably the first period of that game

might have been the worst of the entire year why oh easily what's going on so william lagison ilya samsonov and matthew nyes now have all missed time recently due to illness when that happens it means in my opinion my assumption my educated guess the majority of the team is playing at less than 100 percent um i've also gotten the impression it's more than one illness making its way through the team uh it could be a flu it could be the poo it could be the flu that gives you the poo um but these guys i think are like i i'm i'm willing to bet more than one of them puked yesterday so uh just had an iv bag to put it in context like matt kachuk had a broken sternum sternum and played hockey so how how sick you got to think about this how sick do

you have to be to miss it well you got it matt knies has missed two games i mean and i know it's not the stanley cup final but you missed your rookie missing two games it's not because you want to kachuk also wasn't terribly effective with a broken sternum no that's pretty but but the point i'm making is hockey players don't traditionally like to miss it and they're always managing injury right and illness it's the regular season and there's nowhere to hide right like one injured player you can hide in your lineup if you have like half a lineup that's uh you know cramping up or they're just they don't have as much energy as usual the the amount of mental brain farts they were making yesterday sloppy passing lots of giveaways it didn't worry me

because we knew about the illness thing and also it was so uncharacteristic of them given how they've played recently the max domi brainless pass and noah gregor blowing the zone and samson off was awful uh that was lagason's worst game as a leaf in my opinion um and he's been some yeah some penalties that were out of character for him well i'm like i don't know if he's gonna get a hearing or anything but over the lining I don't think so I don't know I don't think that was an intentional slew foot no it didn't seem intentional

like Brad Marchand's was a direct can opener and it wasn't even a penalty you know so I doubt that gets a suspect yeah well I mean Brad Marchand yeah but I think we were past that yeah yeah yeah no we would have heard about that I don't think that's I think that's unfortunately and I know Blue Jackets fans are gonna

hate me for this and I would hate me for this I do think that that was just an accident I really do like I said is tough but he's not cheap um he's not dirty like in a bad way i know of yeah not that i've seen so i just don't it's the leafs were dragging ass yeah they were dragging and it's because they're sick yeah and if they had played a bunch of games that looked like that recently i would have hammered them but i'm like and they're nine three and or no they're not they're nine one and three heading into that game over the last 13 games last time they lost in regulation was early november that's crazy

And Sheldon Keefe even said, like, earlier in the day, like, it sounded like he wanted to make, or it sounded like a bunch of guys were game-time decisions. Right, and I think only the Flyers have a better record since the start of November. And it's not even, like, the sickness is, I think, the biggest issue, but it's also, Nick Kiprios and Justin Bourne said it a million times on the broadcast, the schedule loss.

You know, you're coming off the road trip. This is the team that sucks. you're going into the big matchup on saturday with pittsburgh you usually struggle in this game and they did and they came out flat as expected because of everything that went on top of that and like it was just the dad's trip i'm sure they had no fun in new york with their dads coming back from that road trip you're back home quick turnaround game columbus you're sick on top of all of that it makes sense that you struggle in this game you know what's funny jesse i think there is legitimately something to what you just said about the dad's trip because after that you

know those back-to-back games tavaris hits a thousand then you win the next night it's new york ty domey's there he was on the rangers he has connections they went to bed early yeah so they all went out i don't know steve they went to bed at 9 30 well if they did i'm sure they all got together in the same hotel room and watched a movie and when they did they all gave each other cold and that made them sicky poo no ty domey the most well-connected man in north america didn't have a good time yeah you saw ty domey in that picture with tom brady and share everywhere at the casino yeah ty domey is a very very smart businessman he also brings people together he's like he's like the guy that's like hey you should meet this person

how that's ty how long until we see him receive a medal from joe biden i don't i don't think it's i mean i don't know if that's i'm not sure if he's at that level that's his ambition that's the thing about this guy he's like he's an ambitious ambitious person i think i why not i'm so happy max is in the organization yeah it's fun it's kind of cool he also like is really good like i know that yeah um not three on three holy shit yeah not three on three but i don't think like he didn't have a great game last night that giveaway one of his giveaways led to a goal but like i think i do have to say like three million bucks for your third line center um and i know steve keeps saying well he won't become playoff and whatever i really like that line robertson

again last night and i'm starting to believe mers lincoln's made an incredible save on nick robertson and i'm like that guy one of these days he's gonna go on like a streak where he scores like in five straight games it's coming i hope so he gets he gets demolished like every game but the point was the sickness everything on top of that it makes sense the leafs are gonna struggle on this and when did the leafs kick ass exactly when they were standing stock still six on five yeah yeah so the less they had to move the better they were um a couple goals from samson off that you i think you wish you could have back but i also think he might be sick the one jt hated man that was so that was the third one i believe the one that was it was behind

the this is behind the goal line it's just limply backhanded and samson off knocks it into his own net with his blocker and then the next one is off the mask and through i've never seen that at the nhl off his mascot through the five it was a video game goal you're like everyone's supposed to go in everyone hates ilia you know what i mean yeah um i feel for nothing going his way there is nothing that seemed like a little bit of bad luck um i i want to say this though apparently uh it's cory sanford right curtis curtis sanford who is the goaltending coach for the leafs he apparently behind the scenes was like to sheldon keith don't you dare pull him Don't you dare pull him.

You put him in for the third. Why? Because he wanted Samsonov to have the chance to finish the game because it's a confidence thing. Guys, listen. Sammy has been dealing with an illness. We know that. He might have been one of the first guys to get it

because he was off for a couple of days before sort of everybody else. But the struggles that Ilya Samsonov has had this year are, it's not like a regression of talent. He hasn't gotten worse. Goaltending is a mental position. Out-dueled Vasilevsky in a playoff series. It's a confidence thing. Less than a year ago.

And so what they're trying to do right now is build up his confidence. And that's why Curtis Sanford is like, hey, keep him in there. And I think if you're him, you got to feel really good about how the third period went. And Sammy, why not? He shut the door. Because I don't think he's thinking that way right now. And that's why. So some people thought it was stupid that Samsonov didn't talk to the media after the game.

Oh, no, he shouldn't be. No, I don't think he should be. Because it's one thing if you haven't heard it all before. I don't need to hear it from him. He's got the Jack Campbell big time in the worst way, where Jack would get in front of a mic and win or lose. When he wasn't doing his gosh gee willikers bit, he was talking about how bad of a goalie he is.

Jack Campbell is literally Eeyore when he talks to the media. it's not great like i and it got to the point where i was like jack like fuck can you not like even when they won he would be like ridiculous and it's like jack chill out yeah and elliot is the same way if you pay attention and he does it with some humor because his english is limited um like well what did you want him to say after that that he hasn't already said yeah and i think i think you're look for the leafs to try to protect this guy because you should believe in Ilya Samsonov's talent we've seen it we saw it in Washington and then we saw what happened when his confidence was shaken in Washington it was so bad that they didn't even

tender him because they wanted to bring in Darcy Kemper yeah and then the Leafs really benefited from that last year he was spectacular last year 1.8 million last year and and frankly this year it's not been up to stuff but I do think this is a confidence thing people like this is the thing with NHL goalies especially it's like what do you think happened you think they just got bad all sudden you think they forgot how to play hockey yeah no this is it's all it's all in your noggin so i i i feel like he's got some time to figure it out it's only mid-december you can figure it out i gave it to mers leakens yesterday but like he's a 909 on the season on columbus so he's an above average above league average goalie on one of the worst teams in the league like that's pretty

good he didn't forget how to play hockey he's just going through it um i know curtis sanford and actually underratedly Nick Antropov behind the scenes are working on Samsonov in the lab. But, I mean, Joseph Wohl's out. This is your time. I do wonder if the Leafs will start Martin Jones on Saturday against Pittsburgh. Yep. They got to.

I think they should, too, because the thing is that, like, obviously the Dubas thing is a media thing, but I'm sure the players are aware of it. But more important to the players are Sidney Crosby and Gino Malcom. and you know they are far better than the columbus shooters far better those two guys alone would be you know one and two on that and i love line a and he did score and he did have that injury but but those two guys are probably two better players than columbus has so uh i feel like listen martin jones isn't i was never thinking that man i'm in a position that i really want

martin jones to start but he seems to have a level head about him um and i feel like on the big stage hockey night in canada maybe you don't start early it's that real slovakian mentality that martin jones has i forgot by the way there were a couple people that were like i thought the same thing adam you're not crazy i just thought you admitted it's so strange why does that happen i don't know anyway so i'm looking at it right now before the christmas break there isn't another back-to-back um they have pittsburgh at home two days off rangers yes sabers and then blue jackets again uh before the christmas break um no you have to start samsonov on saturday um you're paying him 3.5 million dollars no i don't think you need to you left him in the game so that he

could fight through it and then he's not going to play pittsburgh and then it's going to be another two days off before that no like you're you're a goalie on the leafs every game is on the big stage forget saturday night forget all of that you're on the big stage as long as you have that leaf on your chest and you can wear it as a talisman or an anchor um uh i think if he is unplayable in this game against pittsburgh then you look at martin jones for the next game he has to play Saturday okay I let me I also Vietnamese Lee disagree disagree

vehemently vehement Vietnamese disagree um uh I something I was talking about I called Steve at the beginning of this or at the end of the second period because um uh I wanted to I just wanted to know what he thought

um and Jesse we were talking about some stuff and Steve always mentions what about Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner and Nylander like the contracts what what is it for the players the contracts that steve always says when you when you make that kind of money you can't have a night off that's right yeah and you know one of the things that that happened during this game is after the second period the leafs got booed oh they were booed by their fans that's happened quite a bit this season it has it has

because the fans expectations are high but the other thing i was thinking about is okay those guys are making all that money and they can't have a night off i think the leafs can't have a night off because of the amount of money that goes into buying a ticket like fans you wonder why fans are so quiet when they show up because it's like this is my first game in several years and it'll be my last game for several years because it's half of a rent payment to go and if they don't win i'm gonna be really fucking sour about it dude that uh that remember uh my wife got me blue jays playoff tickets that year and you played the prank on me yes yeah uh on the pod uh i look back on that game of fondness because they won but imagine they if they had lost the bit would

have been i was right you dicks and now we're out six hundred dollars so my god they lost my crazy fan theory is you know it's 600 bucks to get good seat two seats at a leafs game i think that the part of the reason that people are so anxious and on edge there all the time is because they're not going to be back it's not like oh it's a tuesday i'll i'll come back in a month and it'll be different a ton of people at that game yesterday take it from someone who this is how i grew up a ton of the people in that building yesterday did not pay oh yeah because it's the season tickets i'm gonna give these away game yeah oh it's a thursday against columbus here you go i'm not taking a client to thursday night against columbus yeah there you go uh they're they're

giving that away but the the free leaf ticket is the rarest one right you it's this very expensive thing and if you haven't been to a leaf game like a bunch of people that were at that game yesterday They haven't been to a Leaf game since COVID, basically. And you finally show up, and it's that. Do you care that they're 9-1-3 in their last 13 if you've paid to be in that building? I don't think you do. You pay with your time or with your money, and usually both. Even if the ticket is free, you've got to eat.

You've got to drink. Even if it's not a beer, the water is like $5. You've got to park. you gotta it's an investment of your entire friggin night and you're borrowing a little bit against the next day as well because you're gonna get home late when do you get up for work in the morning and this is the performance what the fuck man i got oh i understand fans booing i got uh tickets to the raptors got free tickets to the raptors on wednesday so natalie and i went and you're just talking about concessions prices right yeah i don't even know so i went to the

tim hortons midway because i you know you know me i like a late coffee so i went to the tim hortons grabbed a coffee three late coffee yeah uh uh i had you know ended it you know basically after after the second quarter grab my coffee it's two dollars and 30 cents and they ask you for a tip uh and then that's which you know what the staff deserves uh and then i walk to the next booth the next booth where they make i think vietnamese subs which looked delicious by the way and all i needed for natalie was a diet coke because she is a one diet coke a day person for better or for worse and i said i will get you a diet coke how much did the diet coke cost it remember it's fizzy water and sugar 650 four dollars jesse's closest and he's still down by two what it was 8 30

for the diet coke god my coffee diet coke basically the same size yeah and so you so i understand why fans feel that way i really do i get it because it's like this is yeah and it's a crazy amount of money i'm spending to win to the least credit they've shown up the majority of times this year like they laid one egg all year and that was the ottawa senators oh that was bad you know everything else has been good was that was that in toronto or yeah i was there for that game oh that's why you know it yeah that's why i know it was awful but like to their credit they show up most of the time even when down five nothing even they showed up even that game that you're talking about they didn't get like blown out of the water until the end by that third period was awful yes yeah yes

but this one i mean you're like do what do i just go home yeah i want to know who went home you could see it in the crowd you could see in the crowd people walking out people left and like the leafs have lost back-to-back times in regulation twice this entire season so far that's crazy they're having a great if they have if they have a stinker and like they don't have stinkers they show up the next night yeah that's why i gave them a mulligan in the lfr but like if you're if you attended that in person boo go ahead no but by the end you're not booing no no what a magical game i saw tearing your hair out saying i went to this game yeah yeah and i give them full credit for coming back sometimes they're not they're not uh like they're not not showing up

they're just a little late that's the thing about the leaves they always show up they're just sometimes a little late yeah with regard to the comeback from uh well first of all i was sent this from someone named charlie coil enthusiast on twitter and they said you don't know me but this would be a very interesting sdpn stat to discuss and i thought that was a really weird way to introduce a tweet hi you don't know me but you didn't need to say that what's the you're still my pal anyway uh from hockey reference thursday was the third time in nhl history regular season and playoffs that a team forced overtime when trailing by five or more after two periods there was 1982 april 10th uh edmonton versus la of course there was 1987 january 26th calgary

versus Toronto and there was uh 2023 yesterday Leafs Blue Jack and no team has ever come back and won it the Leafs were that close see I could have swore the Leafs were down five nothing to the St. Louis Blues and lost in like 2000 that was I think they were uh I think that was an 06 comeback like I think they were down they were the Leafs were up six no I weren't they I'd have to look at that was great sat like five five or more oh yeah but the least were only five yeah i don't know i don't know like that that stat wouldn't be true about them coming back from a six goal game yeah i don't know ever happened i don't know i but i do remember did you just read it and said it's never happened that's what the thing said yeah

so i don't think that six goal comeback happened i think hockey reference might be wrong you think so i would trust the website more than your memory no i wouldn't look it up look up leafs blues five nothing comeback literally just google that i got grounded for this game because i yelled really loud uh uh i woke my parents up five Oh, rallied from a 5-0 deficit to beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 22 years ago. So then what did you just read? A wrong stat, apparently. November 29th, 2000.

So read what you told us. Thursday was the third time in NHL history, regular season and playoffs, that a team forced overtime when trailing by five or more after two periods. Yeah, but the same was loose after two periods. Okay. I'm glad we spent so much time on that. Me too. Can we move on?

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blame him for this uh i think you you totally do this obviously the leafs have been um attached to the Chris Tanev deal since the beginning. True Living loves him. He's a local guy. Now, the Flames are saying that they're in no rush, right? Yeah.

But we now know that, and Pierre Lebrun let this slip, that their price for Chris Tanev right now is a second round pick. But then they're saying they're in no rush. And they're hoping... Yeah, because he's hurt.

Well, no. Yes, sir? I'm trying to complete the story. Go ahead. because i have a point to make here i have a question to ask you both okay is it that their owner is a dork no it's not about that oh he's not gonna let this no he's not he's not gonna let it happen no so we find out this week that the second round pick will get you chris taniff okay that's great the leafs are internally confident we know this that they can sign

that's great okay um because this contract's up at the end of the year now the flames are out there going ah we're not in a rush even though they could not have kicked nikita zora is the door off out the door faster and flames fans did not receive that trade well which is why i think they're going yeah we might even re-sign them no you won't craig we know and what are you gonna do compete fart and steve you said and you nailed it chris tan have got hurt this week yep and my question to you guys is first off i understand why the flames are putting this out there here's our asking price please report it so everybody knows and we want to see if we can get somebody to give me a first round pick out of this that makes complete sense to me that's the flames

trying to inflate the market and frankly they should that's what i would do sure i'm wondering if craig conroy is getting rookied pretty hard this year and i'm wondering if he's wishing that he hadn't pulled the trigger on this adoroff deal as fast as he did and the reason i say that is you had two teams that were in on it the least wanted both players we couldn't agree on retention um who knows the reasons why for that but now that zadorov is traded the market has to have cooled because the leafs wanted both of those guys now if the leafs want to overhaul their defense they got to go to two different teams to do it so i wonder if the the offer for tanev and zadorov as a package is better than tanev on its own on his own yes it is

but I also wonder if it's sort of like now he's hurt. So how hurt is he? Is he going to be, is he going to be a nagging injury the rest of the year? Am I going to be dealing with this in the playoffs where he's got to sit out game five because I can't, I, because he's,

he's got a hurt shoulder or whatever he's got. I think Craig Conroy and I, it's not just because I'm a leaf fan. I think Craig Conroy has got to stop pretending like we don't know. Well, Also, who could have possibly predicted this would happen? What, Chris Tanev getting injured? Yeah.

At 34? Dude, with a long injury history? So the Canada division season, he had a perfect season of 56 games. Then the next season with Calgary, he had a perfect 82 games. That was great. Here's the rest of his career, going all the way back to the Canucks. 29 games, 25 games, 38 games, 64 games, 70 games, 69 games, 53 games, 42 games

55 games 69 games that's heading into the pandemic so that's basically a full season I will give them that then the two perfect seasons

followed by 65 last year and this season who could have possibly if there is a guy you kick out the door as fast as possible

because you know you're losing him it's this guy like I want the Leafs to get him because he's a good defenseman

when he's playing and i would have accepted yeah you go you go out and get chris tanev that's the risk you assume um i think the reason the leafs wanted both is because they knew tanev was prone to this that's part of it i think they i think they like both players i think that's why they wanted it um but uh well now you're stuck you're either selling winning or you're selling hope and when you commit to selling hope which is what you were doing when you traded zadorov um part of selling hope is getting assets for your players who you know aren't sticking around or i guess you're you're selling your fan base snake oil uh instead of hope oh yeah we're gonna re-sign them well and

this is this is the question i have for the flames is like okay how much more do you need to see flames fans how much more do you need to see from this team you know i feel bad for jonathan huberdo but he's still not playing to where he wants where he needs to be um this team for whatever reason has talent and it just doesn't work when every time you what okay you watch your team and then watch the calgary flames what are you going to notice about the calgary flames the calgary flames are not a very good hockey team for whatever reason they're just not i thought they'd be better than this they should be better than this but they're not so we got to change some things up nobody wants to re-sign here because nobody everybody knows this isn't a great team

hannifin doesn't want to re-sign tanev doesn't want to re-sign you want your first round pick i totally understand that but don't think like what's blowing my mind about the way they're running this is they were hot and on the trail to trade chris tanev three weeks ago oh now we'll re-sign him i don't think people are stupid and i know nhl head offices act stupid sometimes but i think people understand where this is at and they understand who this player is and what age they're at and like hannifin yeah get your first round pick i don't know man take to me with guys like tan evans adorabh take the money and run just get out of this my the flames wouldn't retain that's all it would have taken to get get the get into the leafs anyway my thing with this

is the leafs gotta move on because we all know brad chilevig wants chris tannev and it's just a bad idea at this point yeah like he's a 34 year old guy who can't stay healthy and you're gonna give him a giant contract extension before he plays a zero game a one game with you like it makes no sense for the least to go after this player right now and i don't trust brad you're living because the two biggest moves he's made so far acquiring uh signing john klimberg klingberg and then signing ryan reeves are both bad moves so you're gonna go let this guy make another move for a guy he liked when he was at his old job where he failed by the way the calgary flames are in this situation right now about how bad they are you're just outlining it this team sucks

the guy who built that wants to go acquire one of these players for the leafs yeah he can't don't allow him to do this brendan shanahan there's a good chance chris tana's next contract sucks no matter where it is even if it's here um that's not the most pressing thing with the calgary Flames. Like, I can't believe what I'm looking at right now on their HockeyDB page. Alright, who leads them in scoring? It's Nazem Kadri. Who's second in scoring?

It's Blake Coleman. Who's third in scoring? It's Elias Lindholm. Who's fourth in scoring? It's Jogger Sharangovic. Who's fifth in scoring? Mackenzie Wieger. Who's sixth in scoring? Rasmus Anderson. Who's seventh in scoring? Connor Zeri. Who's eighth in scoring? Andrew Magipane.

Who's ninth in scoring? Michael Backlund. Who's tenth in scoring? Noah Hannafin. I haven't said Jonathan Huberto's name yet he's played 30 games they like priority number one two and three fuck selling wins fuck selling hope fix this player

you have no chance of selling either if you don't fix this player you're not going to win there's no reason to hope you have to fix this player beginning middle end that's it that's that should be that's Craig Conroy's entire mission in life fuck trading these guys fuck all of that uh every single move the Calgary Flames make needs to be into parlaying that

contract into something moderately successful and to be honest like it just didn't they didn't have a very good coach to start him with right like it it just started on a bad foot and has remain so well and now the the spilled milk is all over the floor yeah and what are we going to do cry about it or clean it up you know like this is a guy who scored 115 points like a like five minutes ago um you're selling wins you're selling hope they can't sell either until they fix that yeah agreed agreed um connor zari has played 10 fewer games he has the same amount of points and more goals that's crazy and like that's hope great that's actually a good thing but like holy fuck you got to fix that player yep oh man yep yeah i i just i feel like there's been there's

a lot of rookie gm showing hey uh easton cowan of fraser mitten named to the canadian world junior uh roster for this christmas which is awesome hooray good for them we weren't sure mitten was a shoe-in but cowan there was a lot of debate going back and forth uh but he is going to be there they weren't impressed with his camp apparently they need more from him that was the uh that was what they were saying so that'll be they're challenging the player but i think that's great no toronto maple leaf prospect has represented canada since ian scott in 2018 wow oh man i feel bad for ian scott and this is the first time i think since 2016 they've had two marner and uh dermot i believe so that's pretty cool man yeah very cool i mean there's always

leaf prospects at the world juniors for some reason they're never on team canada so it's nice to have too now we're going to talk about a few different things a lot has fallen under fallen by the wayside here um but they're i'm good we're going to hit the wild and we're going to hit the blues let's start with the minnesota wild their agm chris o'hearn and the team just mutually part of ways what's crazy about this is chris o'hearn just negotiated a an extension with the wild now he and bill garrin and we didn't know this until michael russo put out his article with The Athletic, both of them were under investigation for separate things. We now know that Bill Guerin was under investigation for verbal abuse,

something that from what we have heard, he will be able to continue working as wild GM, but Chris O'Hearn is not. And that's just about all we know. And even the CJ show yesterday, when Chris is kind of telling us, it's like it seems like this is a buzzy thing within the industry but no one seems to be able to say what the buzz is well i was getting texts about it too uh that's why i'm going through my phone right now and i know everyone thinks all i talk about is whispers but like i do have some legit nhl sources i'm not confident enough to say exactly what is going on i mean it's obviously

serious um i think uh when the full story is out there there's a really good chance dean evison is somehow involved um obviously he's no longer the coach um and there's a player on the team i don't really want to say but they're a significant part of the minnesota wild um i think they're involved uh as as well i think there's a lot of upheaval now going on with that I think it's important when you specify that these are hockey-related things more than anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When people say in here investigation,

they rightly think the worst. That's not what you're suggesting. No, but remember, there's more than one investigation going on, right? So I'm telling you what I've heard. What I've heard is hockey-related, but it sure sounds like there's non-hockey-related things going on as well.

Yeah, so interesting. I don't know what to say beyond that. It's other than are we ever going to find out, and usually you don't fully i mean not reported anyway their their team is is there uh a more important position uh in a front office right now than minnesota wild capologist well i mean and that was that was his job chris o'hearn's job apparently it's put the front office for the wild like in total flux like they they don't have a lot of people in it already they committed to having like 14 million in dead cap and then they fired the guy in charge of managing their cap

that feels like not a winning strategy yeah or not fired like that's another thing i'm confused about it was a mutual parting of ways so what is happening there like i think the reason it's so buzzy is so many people have heard 10 to 25 percent of the story and they're all texting each other trying to figure out and connect the dots and the pieces and that's why I'm not telling you everything that I've heard because I'm like I don't know of course yeah you have

to source a problem the two the two incidences the Garen investigation and the O'Hearn one they're completely separate yes based on all the reporting they're two different issues and the Garen one isn't hockey related it sounds like that that that one's the office issue yeah and that one that one we know was

verbal abuse workplace in the workplace yeah yeah I uh the other stuff is hockey related from what we understand there's there's a shocking clip out there that every now and then some podcast brings up and it gets a little bump on the youtube video oh you mean bill garen's smacking a guy in the head at training camp and most recently so apparently spitting chiclets brought it up like a year ago because i saw the comments were like oh chiclets bump go look up bill garren versus um brett draney uh dranny d-r-a-n-e-y it was at i think dallas stars training camp dranny was a sixth round pick of the stars and him and garren sort

of get in each other's face garren slashes him right at like the base of his head like head slash neck and george peros was like that guy should captain the rangers but it was a really nasty hit and then he cross checks the guy when he's down it's one of the most brutal chicken shit things i've ever seen on the ice so every time i see bill garren um i'm reminded of that clip because it's one of the most disgusting things i've ever seen to come out of a practice and i'm pretty sure he didn't get shit all for it no he didn't i remember i remember that too and i remember seeing it on the news and and at i don't know we would have been like 10 or 11 at that point we were pretty young i remember thinking is why is this not a bigger deal why why is this not

a bigger deal this feels like a suspension i remember thinking at that point the the i mean i was making fun of truba but uh you know the thing with truba was there some there was some plausible deniability like oh i was falling or whatever this is bill garren standing in front of a guy staring at him and just slashing the shit out of his head and neck and if he had done that in an nhl game he would have been gone for double digit games but he did it in training camp to someone no one's ever heard of so who gives a shit yeah it's brutal yeah anyway i know that's not related but fuck him for that yeah i remember it was a it was a it was a chicken shit play and um yeah i i uh i want to move on unless jesse you have something you want to add

to this buddy uh no i think that's there's just not a lot of info there yeah there isn't um and this was back when there was no social media so there was no way for those clips to go viral unless it was on like ebombs world or geocities it was on tv uh jesse yes um i've sent you a clip and you did a podcast about this now i'm going to give everybody a little bit of background here um craig berube was fired in st louis earlier this week um drew bannister has taken over and he might not even be the coach till the end of the year he's just a guy who's there right now But Jordan Cairo was asked about his relationship with Craig Berube before the game at some point, either, you know, a couple nights ago or yesterday morning.

And he said, you know, somebody said, what was your relationship with Berube? And he said, he's not my coach anymore, so I'm not going to answer that. And I was really surprised about this. Yeah. During the game last night, he gets booed, and this is his reaction afterwards. Booed while they were winning. What, if anything, would you want to say to the fans? I mean, just, you know, sorry if it sounded in a bad way at all.

I mean, just like I said, you know, I'm just really trying to focus on the future here and, you know, focus on what I can do to, you know, help our team win and, you know, help get wins for the boys. How were you able to focus then tonight? And do you feel like you had it? It's definitely the toughest game I've probably played, to be honest. Any of your teammates or anybody from the organization talk to you about it? I mean, obviously, my teammates have my back, right?

You're getting pretty emotional here. Where are the emotions coming from? I mean, it's just tough, right? Like, you know, I love playing here, so it's just tough to hear the fans booing me there. That's right. They'll obviously come around. I mean, they know you want to be here,

play hard and produce for them. I mean, do you feel like you want just a bump in the road that can be overcome and they'll love you again? Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know, like I said, I just want to focus on my future and focus on, you know, trying to be a more complete player and, you know, what I can do to help the team win, right? So, you know, that's just my goal right now.

Jordan Cairo is an unbelievably talented NHL player. I always tweet that he's a menace because he is a menace on the ice. Struggling a little. Yeah. And obviously, Blues fans will love Craig Berube because he brought them their first cup. Jesse, what was your take on this on the Jesse Blake Sports Report last night?

There's so many layers to it because the comments initially, I think they weren't intended to be taken the way that the Blues fans take it, took the comments. Is there footage of it? The comments, no. So the comments are Jeremy Rutherford's tweet. He tweeted that,

Cairo on his relationship with Berube, I've got no comment. he's not my coach anymore and before that he went on to talk about uh banister becoming head coach and and kairu said this he said yeah it kind of feels like a little bit of a fresh start kind of thing yeah we're all excited here we want to turn the ship around right now and get our culture back a little bit and get back to how we know how to play hockey and it's not been whispered about but it's been discussed a little about how they didn't have the best relationship, Berube

and Kairou. And the fans are a little disappointed in Kairou's performance lately. And they love Berube because he brought them their first Stanley Cup in history. So the fans see that he's not trashing the coach on the way out, but he has a no comment, which I don't know. I thought that

was fair to say no comment if they didn't have a good relationship. So he goes out there and they boo him as he's getting introduced. And obviously he didn't intend to for the fans to think that he's disrespecting the crest on the front in any way or the coach that they love so much so i think it was a little unfair on the fans to do that but i understand where they're coming from and i think it's got to be like even now like your relationship with

jordan cairo can't be like you hate this dude like he clearly cares so much about the blue i'm fascinated by what the next game is because like i i almost feel like blues fans are gonna be fighting amongst each other like it's gonna be booze versus cheers i think after that post-game clip that we just showed i don't know how anybody booze them or still feels that way or or thinks that his comments were disrespect well like the only quote i can think of that compares uh to his initial one where i'm not i'm not gonna comment on that dude tyler bertuzzi earlier this year when he was asked about uh laughing on the bench during that whole bruins thing just like i'm not going to answer for that or i'm not going to explain myself and i was just

like god what a dick like that that one really rubbed me the wrong way i certainly didn't expect anyone to boo him the the next time they got on the ice like i was i was surprised by the quote um but i was even more surprised by the reaction to it like that wasn't a couple people and they were winning they were booing him every time he touched the puck on a power play in a game his team was winning now here's a guy that really struck a nerve this guy has had back-to-back basically 75 point years he had almost 40 goal season last year now he's only got five in the first 30 or 29 this year so it's not great it's not going well but honestly nothing is going well in st louis at the moment and i don't think craig berube getting fired really has anything to do

with jordan kairu it has everything to do with the team that doug armstrong has constructed and And he has swung and missed on some major things, letting Billy Huso go, letting Alex Petrangelo go. Those are major things that you see what Petrangelo has done with the Vegas Golden Knights. You cannot just replace him. And they should have absolutely held on to him at all costs. Underratedly, Justin Falk. Oh, yeah.

When they got him and signed him to all that money, I was like, all right, well, Petro's gone. I thought the same with Torrey Krug, by the way. I know a lot of people put that on Torrey Krug, but if I'm not mistaken, Falk was first. okay well fair enough when i saw that i was like looking at their isn't marco scandela making weird amounts of money there too or was and there's a lot of weird things about that team yeah they're they're a collection of guys where i'm like okay like there's not a ton of guys on that team where i'm like oh yeah that guy's bad it's kind of like the flames a little bit yeah where like there's

not many parts of the blues where i go oh you shouldn't be in the nhl i don't play in two yeah i don't think the blues head office or front office excuse me correctly evaluated who was driving play on this team yeah if you're going with the guys that they lost like the game that berube got fired for losing in detroit and that was their fourth straight loss uh robbie fabry scores and jake wallman scores two x blues oh i didn't know wallman was an expert yeah so fabry i knew so those two guys score and your coach gets fired and villi husso picks up the win oh and and david perron's there too but he was obviously suspended but like so right there you're like okay armstrong built this team that's not really successful right now and we're talking about

the blues and their struggles this year it's it's more apparent than what the standings stay say because if you look at the standings right now the st louis blues are in a playoff spot they are way they're in the second wild card spot in the west oh because they won in the oilers lost they're struck but on on the ice when you look at their compete level and and the amount of opportunities that they're allowing the other teams to have they're not having a good season but like in the standings they're okay and i don't think anybody has confidence in the team that armstrong is built right now in their performance yeah so you boo kairu i'd also yeah and that's the weird part for me is the kairu booing i think that's more of a product

of frustration that that fans have with the team which i think is right yeah but jordan kairu also let me just say this and this will be unpopular with blues fans because it got them got booze anyway if you're a head coach and one of your best players is not going and you can't get them going you shouldn't be the head coach anymore like part of part of being the head you want a cup there doesn't mean you should still be the coach 100 and and and freach said it in 32 thoughts uh and i tend to agree with it um uh you know usually you got about five years in the nhl some in football you get like sometimes you get like 10 uh but in in hockey you get three to five years and then people start tuning you out and i five years is a long time very long and i and i and that's not

to take away from craig berube but what is a coach's job other than to set the best players on the team up for success and if you're not doing that you can't expect to win much and you can't expect therefore to be head coach very long and that is where like the blues need jordan kairu to be good more than they need to keep craig berube yeah especially robert thomas and all the future of the team especially with the way he's built the team and that they're not rebuilding they are going for and he believes that they should be so that he can't have these uh the coach holding them back and one direct comparison that i think is kind of it aligns perfectly with the one that's happening in st louis that's very familiar to us in this market is nick nurse who won the title

the exact same year as craig berube and by last season that team was sick of him and if you ask them about them then nick nurse today they don't have nice things to say about nick nurse but we're not also going out and booing scotty barnes because his relationship with nick nurse wasn't that we're saying no he is his time expired here and it was time to go but i don't know if blues fans feel the same way about berube and that his time expired they definitely don't they don't obviously but nick nurse he he won a title but that doesn't mean he gets to be coach emeritus for life of the toronto raptors i guess i guess i just feel like i must be missing so i feel like it too i'm i'm looking at i wonder if there's gonna be a bunch of blues fans going you don't

know shit and you don't have to say that well yeah you could just say it's okay that you don't know every detail of all 32 teams all at once because nobody does there's people that put up smoke screens like they do but they fucking don't if there's something we're missing messages but you don't have to hate my family because of it you're throwing that out there but

it's the problems with the blues are roster construct yes they are strong so it's hard for blues fans to back the move when the guy they want gone is the one who made that move I understand that from blues fans 100% they were winning

like i can't i keep going back to they were winning like and they won the game yeah they have you seen a player cry because they were booed after a game as team one never i've never that's why across professional sports yeah this is such a crazy story and that clip is is wild because i've never seen anything like that i really feel for him i really feel for him that was um you know i fans are gonna be fans i'm never gonna tell you not to be a fan um because you should be a fan and being fans great uh fans make mistakes sometimes i think that was a mistake it just felt like the punishment didn't match the crime yeah yeah i think that was a boo for front office i don't think that was a boo for jordan kairu that's my head my thought on it one interesting

wrinkle i saw there amongst blues fans was how much does the media deserve the blame here for their reaction to the quote because the media may have sensationalized the jerry or jerry jeremy rutherford tweet and you know it becomes a a graphic on bar down and and sports net talking about it so it seems a lot bigger you're right we were the only ones talking about it no fans would ever talk about it read no fans would ever have taken that tweet and go hey have you seen this no wait a minute wait a minute stop it it reads harsh the tweet reads harsh that's why what was the first thing i asked you is there video there's not is there audio even surely there's audio somewhere i want to hear his voice say it i haven't heard it and i i mean we're not going to

after that reaction um i think it's important and relevant to the story now had that been true had the media taken it out of context or if it was part of a larger quote that would have dulled uh the impact uh of those words i would like to think that jordan kairu would have defended himself or someone would have come out and been like hey that's not an accurate representation of what was said and i don't think that's what they're saying also i don't think it reads that harsh he just said no fucking comment like that's harsh so he didn't have a good relationship with his coach and that's a story it is a story adam if if our show he didn't say he was a bad guy he didn't say he lit my house on fire yeah but if our show broke up like the

beatles yeah and someone was like what do you think about adam as i know he's not my co-host anymore yeah that's oh no it would read hard i know but the original way you said it just like that i'm like oh the original but the point was did the media make too much of this quote and my point to you is maybe a little uh i don't think you can it's a story guys who's okay we are not i'm sorry you can't blame the media you can't say the media are the reason the fans booed jordan said it jeremy rutherford as far as i know has been above board about everything is a fantastic reporter like i think i think i think this is going around right now and i think some of this has to do with the blue jays i do because that otani stuff got ridiculous and then some

media tut tutted the fans and fans were like what this was entirely your fault um which i think fans were were right in that case but that doesn't mean that fans are never responsible for any of hysteria and when you talk about the media when it comes to things that happen on social media people accept a little bit of a role in the media like if you have a large following even if you don't make money from this but if you have a following of like a thousand or more and you retweet this going oh shit jordan kairu with the fire you're playing a bit of a role in this yeah and there's nothing wrong with that you're being a fan yeah i you know what i don't think you're and to your point like the fans dictate the content that gets put out because they're

interested in it and that drives that quote doesn't get quoted if there isn't going to be a whole bunch of engagement on if jordan kairu has said my part my favorite color is purple people would have been like fucking cool man that might have got 20 retweets but because it was a relevant pertinent detail that hockey fans care about the fans drive what is going to be reported it on this is why i want there to be video and audio of this so bad because uh uh he's not my coach anymore i don't want to talk about it uh he's not my coach anymore i don't want to talk that sounds a lot more like that's what he would say it like do you see the enormous difference between the two one of them is fuck that guy i don't want to fucking talk about that fucking

asshole and the other one is uh guys do you have to ask me that again but then you get back to the original question if it was just that second one where it's not a big deal then the media did blow it out of proportion then the fans are right to be angry at the media for manipulating them into booing right so that's why i think it was as harsh as it read because otherwise someone somewhere would have come out and been like he didn't mean it like that what if the story was just taking off and you don't want to why are you gonna what are you gonna do poopoo with the story i'm surprised it spread that damn fast yes i am not at all i am not surprised at all that is a great quote that will grab people's attention and and i grabbed mine it was really it was so big that the quote

happens pre-game skate or not pre-morning morning skate and it's so big that that afternoon all the blues fans know about it and they're booing by that night six seven hours later this was a 12 hour story yeah that's how big it was but is it the media's fault because the quote actually wasn't that big i don't know i don't have an answer all jeremy rutherford did was go here's the quote jeremy rutherford is like a really good reporter and it's like jeremy rutherford said that jordan kairu hates craig berube like we're making it sound like that's what it was what what we do is we consume it and we go what can i deduce from this oh they probably didn't have a great relation i would be on the side of oh the media sensationalized it if anyone had come out and

said this is not an accurate representation of what was said no one said that no one has said that so i don't know what anyone's talking about them because it just sounds like he tweeted a thing that was said and by the way that's okay guys show me a room full of 30 people and everybody loves each other not even your family at the holidays can say that that's really the case let's be honest cult documentaries on netflix oh yeah okay there's some good cult documentaries on netflix but they're also sort of forced to love each other it's weird that's the level you gotta get that that's right i love 30 people in a room cody from sister wives doesn't love 75 percent of his wife this is gonna shock you but probably your favorite player on the nhl on on

your favorite nhl team is hated by somebody in his dressing room or at least disliked i not talked i hate how true that is you who's your favorite player somebody on their team fucking can't stand them sometimes that happens guys you know how so i feel like it's like this isn't this is some crazy oh my god a player doesn't like it a guy doesn't like his boss whoa okay let's go back to the originals if i wish the media wouldn't report on this if it's not a big deal that he hates him then why was it such a big deal it is a big deal it's normal though it's okay that's different because it's because it's a big deal because of the insight it offers but to say that it's abnormal for a player to dislike a coach which i don't think many people are saying i mean that's

pretty normal i'm gonna get you a t-shirt that says defender of big media ah adam wilde am i cape baiting today i think what about me you love big media adam you're gonna get some comments oh i can't wait they're gonna say triggered oh am i i think you got triggered triggered oh man oh what what will i do i don't know i don't i don't know how i'll ever how will i come back from you're also gonna get accused of this is the new one glazing what's glazing uh i think it has to do with um i think it's sexual you know what i mean yes and um uh they're gonna accuse you of glazing Jeremy Rutherford's tweet. I am on the side of

Jordan Cairo and Jeremy Rutherford, both. I think it's wrong that Rutherford would ever be dragged through the mud. I will cape bait for Jeremy Rutherford and also Jordan Cairo. He was just like, I'm not going to comment on it. The more interesting thing is the fans. What do you guys side

on the fans booing? Oh, I mean, listen, they're frustrated. I don't blame them for booing. I just think they could have booed. I wish they could have booed the front office. They can't boo the front office. I, the punishment doesn't fit the crime so much that I don't want to tut-tut the fans because I feel like I don't know enough.

I feel like I must be missing something. Yeah. One thing I will, I don't want to ever do is tell fans how to react. Yeah. Because they are, being a fan is emotional. You see something, you get upset, you do the thing. Lose my reaction.

Unless the thing you're doing is like violent, you know. Yeah. When you, there's a certain line you shouldn't cross, but booing. Yeah, they threw batteries yesterday. Why didn't you mention that part when they threw batteries at Jordan Guyro's head? No, it threw batteries.

No, I was just going to say this. Are you referencing something that I'd missed through boxes of macaroni and cheese like the guy who threw the beer can at the baby at the Rogers Center. Oh yeah, he definitely meant to hit a baby. You cross the line. You know what? I'm mad

on Jose Batista's behalf. Let me fucking can this baby in the head that's a that's a line cross don't i know don't throw beers it's regardless of the baby don't throw beers don't throw beers i also love the the texas fans who are like that this is what canadians are all about throwing beers at babies okay okay we're all right i should have never brought that all right anyways what else we got anyway uh uh yeah we do have something and i actually like this this is exciting this is exciting it's it you know elliot freeman short change you this week by the way son of my gun do you think he's falling off i think he's falling

off yo his edge elliot freeman is over party let's start let's start a war with 32 thoughts yeah you guys who have never been anything but great to us yeah no uh uh the nhl he said when the nhl brought its gms and coaches together in chicago before the season one of the things they were told was media especially rights holders and fans were demanding more all access style programming uh as uh as a part of that it was made very clear that anyone asked to wear a microphone did so sometime this week a note went out indicating that some of these requests were being declined and this is going to change right away he said i bring this up not to wave the media flag because he did say i work for rights holder but because one executive noted to me on wednesday

that this is a real change in attitude in the nhl it's never been pushed as hard as it is doing now things are changing so meaning that doesn't mean that there won't be regional blackouts by the way because i read that again and i was like oh no they don't they still don't understand that what they're saying is the they are going to start asking more of the personalities in this game to sell the sport good and by the way i watch a lot of non-leaf hockey um despite what some think you know what i've noticed on almost every other broadcast like every non-leaf broadcast they get to talk to people on the bench during the game coaches and stuff yeah the last time you saw that the Leafs don't allow it when was the last time you saw that not during least yeah

Leafs telecast it's it um the Oilers I think it was uh I think they put Calvin Pickard on a headset um that clip where Rod Brindamore is like oh man we suck we should be down five nothing or whatever yeah everyone was paying attention to the quote and I'm just sitting there like how did he get to talk to the coach during the game i watched that's sheldon geoff i barely know what his voice sounds like i i when i read this thing from elliot i thought the team likely to decline most of those was the leafs i don't i don't want to make accusations but i assume it was the leaf what happened the last time you asked for an interview with the leafs the answer is no the answer is no and and that's okay like that's how they've handled their pr from now but what the what

free just saying i don't think they enjoyed the amazon experience at all 100 only 30 of what was shot made it if that if that so i i think so so i think the toronto maple leafs are going to be one of the teams at the forefront that are going to have to be pushed kicking and screaming through the we need to open this up door and and i think in states where in the states where the game you have to sell it against like the nfl and the nba um where you know hockey isn't the premier sport in that market yeah like rod brindleboard does have to do that because they got to sell the game one of the most successful things nfl does is mic'd up players and oh and hard knocks which is their show where they follow a team uh and they show like behind the scenes stuff and they

have them all mic'd up because it's a full each hbo show and that went from a thing that they did in training camp um for decades to now a thing that they do in season there's currently they're airing hard knocks miami dolphins and every week they have giant tv crews following around the miami dolphins and you get a weekly experience with them and it's and players every single week are miked up on every single nfl field and they do a fantastic job with their nfl films uh arm of their company to air all of these things it's fantastic programming and there's a reason they're the best league in the world most popular league in north america jesse miami is known as a small market nobody really cares about no people love the miami miami dolphins they don't have any

fans they really have to sell that to the market dan marino didn't play there for 20 years they got three of the biggest personalities in the game and their head coach mike mcdaniel tyreek hill and to uh tag of aloha i like mike mcdaniel by the way because he's a lego guy isn't he the coach the head coach is what he's a lego guy he loves he loves playing with lego like does he does joseph wall like playing with lego too no there you go um no i like this is the thing like the nhl pushing back on this is a good thing this is a good thing we need we need to have it's not like i don't want more post-game interviews nobody fucking wants that nobody i could tell you that people who are reporting on the game post-game don't want that i want to see a little bit more

of these guys personality sell me the person i listen i'm not saying it's the leafs i'm just saying i never see the leaves do it that's all i'm saying dude it's december why haven't we seen a Ryan Reeves' mic'd up bit. Think of what it would do for his popularity. Well, now you can't. But all we've been talking about with this guy is how bad that contract is outside of the first two games of the season.

Well, they would tell you they've got the blueprint. What's that? That's the YouTube series that the Leafs do. Yeah, that they make and control entirely. Which they do do a good job with. Yes. I do enjoy the blueprint. Plus, their social media is one of the better of the team.

Oh, they do a good job. i'm not no no no no no i would never disparage the the job that they do with all that i really like all that and it's good that they do all that and maybe they're just trying to drive more people to that but i mean like rogers from a lot of the stories i've heard uh does not fight hard enough for the shit um and for all the money that they're spending um i think they gotta put their foot down um with this team that dude they're an nhl rights holder and they co-own the team when you guys play we have a mic on the bench like once a game maybe they don't want that they're wrong if that's true then they're wrong you do not want that because the team that we're

talking about that is most stingy about these things is the owner as you just outlined so maybe it's from top down well and you look at it that doesn't make sense if you look at it from a business perspective they have more to lose from the least losing value than their media assets losing value right right the Leafs are as of this morning again the most highest valued team in the NHL they're now ahead of the Rangers they always kind of leave oh they pass them they just pass them this morning oh well according to forbes who really knows and i i look at that from a from a rogers perspective and i go well wait a second that's nice that we have this media division which is less than five percent of our total revenue for the entire company all all of what

rogers and bell hold right in terms of media assets it's less than five percent of their total revenue for the entire year so get rid of it then well uh rogers made their money to grow into the beast that they are from media so that's a legacy thing that the family wants to hang on to which is why they have so cherish it and and take care remember and you know this from working at these companies there are a lot of middle management types and there's a lot of blocking to get anything done takes forever and i so it's gonna have to come from the nhl and here's the thing though they they could go back to the name shell and say no because the game already sells here we don't have to do that those guys have to do that we don't have to do that we're the leafs

and and and that's in a vacuum that's unacceptable but it's also yeah it's not a great way to sell the game to younger fans and i think the league is starting to worry about the demographic shifts and they should they should right where we have hockey sign up is at an all-time low in this country i just don't understand how you pay over five billion dollars for something and then you're like excuse me miss door could we please get a mic on the bed like what the fuck what do we pay you money for what are we paying for right now give us the premium everything we should rogers should not have to ask the nhl for permission for anything man everything they want they should get and in my experience that's not even close to the case but you would also

agree and we'll take it out of the toronto context for a second we all agree that the nfl and the nba have made gargantuan leap for leaps forward especially in the last 10 years by selling star power right the stars they sell the stars in their game you know that you think about you know tom brady jerseys are still among the hottest sold in the nfl uh you look at um uh you know the way like lebron and chris paul and some of the great players of this generation um where they were the story you know when when you go on to first when you watch first take if you ever watch first take comes on tsn at 10 a.m so i'll have it on especially especially if there's a big basketball story i know that they're not going to lead with the crest they're going to lead with this player

oh yeah did they perform did they underperform should they be suspended indefinitely whatever it is this is the big story they talk about players and they talk about usually the same guys and that is selling the game like 48 hours of dream on 100 100 because why not that's a crazy clip it's a crazy story yeah and i and i i think the nhl is finally starting to understand oh maybe we need to do the same because it yeah the crest on the front matters but the crest doesn't on the front doesn't mean shit if your team doesn't have stars doesn't mean anything doesn't mean anything by the way have you guys seen the new austin matthews commercial uh i think it's sick kids yeah so he walks in the room and and the girl just starts screaming and i thought man that's

the personality austin he did a good rbc commercial he's done a good uh sick kid spot that's the personality we keep hearing about but we never get to see oh he does not have a money allergy that guy well he also has a good personality though he does he does no um i every time i've talked to him he's been like pretty animated um he's like he's a pleasure to deal with and like he knows the game and he's he's just he's uh there's there's a an element of get in get out without being rude that all the stars have the best stars have and he's got it other other players walk in on like nhl media day and you feel like you're inflicting your presence upon them by putting a camera and microphone in in their face and like you feel bad as the person speaking to them and then i'm like

wait a minute no this is media day this is what you're here for why are you walking in here like a storm cloud that's that's why i love dealing with that guy that's what i'm saying um dude i didn't force you to be here take it up with your team two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca new from Nespresso blend wellness into your coffee routine with the coffee plus range

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So, Frege talked about Patrick Berglund's contract termination in Buffalo in 2018. Buffalo, if you don't remember, terminated his contract. Berglund didn't want to be there. He left, okay? Corey Perry's contract was terminated. now we don't know if uh we don't know how this is going to go and there's obviously no desire to minimize anything as freid says but apparently there are strong feelings that the nhl cannot allow this precedent the pa that is the nhl pa so we've seen this before where they've done

they've said here are the rules except for this guy yes mike richards is one of those guys that's still one of the craziest and most egregious and never it was never explained we don't know what happened yeah and he's still getting paid the king should be on the hook for so much more against the cap for mike richards what do you think that we talk about the nhlpa being somewhat toothless they did a great job with the handling of the columbus situation with babcock do you think that this is something that they should pursue or do you just walk away this is a really difficult one because i think in order to pursue it um you risk the full and complete story getting out there and you risk the full and complete story getting out there and it not

being a very nice one. And then you're on the side of defending that player and making sure, no, this guy needs to get his money. Now, if you're a lawyer listening to this right now, you're like, yeah, what's wrong with that? And I understand you thinking of it that way. That's why you get paid the big bucks but in the court of public opinion it's gonna it's gonna go over like a wet fart um so uh i don't know what to do with that one like this is he's such a long tenured player he's given lots of money to the nhlpa over the years um i think it's gonna to take cory perry demanding it of the nhlpa for it to happen um even though the nhlpa has gotten better at doing their job under marty walsh than eric fair i still don't think they're going to

get it on fair but yeah what i said eric eric oh did i really former elite that's funny for a cap i think what's yeah for the leaf right yeah very briefly whoops sorry um donald fear um i still don't think the nhlpa is in the habit of getting out of bed unless you force them to right so if cory perry fights for this yeah there's a good chance it becomes a big issue um otherwise like if cory perry doesn't want his money like if he doesn't fight for his money then um i don't think anything's gonna happen here okay all right um did you guys see obviously we didn't talk about it a lot but the the changes to the ice all-star skills challenge 12 players six events um you can sit out two events but at the end of it the winning player gets a million dollars and the in order to

kick this off the nhl engaged the best player in the league conor mcdavid and said if we're going to do this you need to compete and he agreed to do it yeah because there's a million dollars uh And heated driveways don't pay for themselves. I love that. No, I love that. Like, a million dollars is, I was about to say a million dollars is going to mean a lot to an NHL player. I think NBA players would be pretty jacked for a million dollars, too. But that's going to mean a lot more to an NHL player.

We're talking about, like, potentially a double-digit percentage of their annual income. And they don't have to pay escrow or their agent. Yeah, sounds pretty good. like i mean those you can kind of tell by body language um going to these events that they just treat it like a casual fuck around you know and like the the fastest skater events where mcdavid has lost you still you're sitting there like yeah no but he's the fastest like i think you're gonna to see records broken i think you're going to see guys fall i think you're going to see emotion like when guys don't win they're just sort of like ah i didn't have it today there's a million

dollars on the line man better have it today there's going to be some passion yeah there's going to be some passion behind the all-stars competition thank god for that jesse what do you think good for them making the change i think yeah it'll hopefully feel competition that's all we're asking for the all-star games to have a modicum of hey these guys actually care about this so that's good i hope it goes to the i hope the player who makes the least wins i think that'd be great someone on like league men makes the all-star game and they win they win more than their current contract would be great hell yeah noah gregor fastest skater hell yeah yeah dude i would love that that'd be hilarious um and uh quickly on this we talked

about uh kyle connor and ryan strome there was no disciplinary action taken against ryan strome for the knee on knee on kyle connor and kyle connor is at 68 weeks yeah one of the league's leading goal scorers is at 68 weeks sick league yeah now do we want to do a press conference or we wrap it jess uh i got a question for you guys hit us the presser s d p the steve dangle press conference um is there a problem with the nhl standings the calgary the seattle kraken are 10 14 and 7 so if you look at the record they're 10 and 21 in terms of wins and losses right they have 27 points the anaheim ducks are 10 and 18 they have no overtime wins or loss or no overtime losses they have 20 points seven back of the kraken second last in the west is that wrong

that's it feels weird doesn't it is it wrong i mean it definitely feels weird i'm also looking oh you know what yeah kraken minus 17 ducks minus 22 so here's the thing winning in regulation is a skill we know that we wish the leafs did it more but also avoiding losing in regulation is a skill and the leafs have done it a ridiculous amount of times like they've only lost i think six regulation games or something like that it's yeah jesse's scrolling up six only one more than the boston bruins right like that's really good they're right up there with the best in the league so i'm not totally loving the fact that uh the kraken are getting all these benefits from losses but also we shouldn't prop up the ducks because they're getting their ass

kicked. Like if you're losing in regulation, you got your ass kicked. Certainly worse than a team who found a way to get it to overtime. Is there, are those overtime losses that they had seven extra worth seven points in the standings? Well,

I've always, you know, been on board with the three, two, one standings, but they're never going to adopt it. So I've stopped ever. I've stopped dreaming that dream.

I agree with you. I think a loss is not half a win. I'm not making a point on either side. Sorry, I agree with... Oh, wait, you were the one who asked the question. Yeah, I'm asking the question. I don't take a stance. No, no, no.

I think a win should be more than double a loss. You know what I mean? It should be... A regulation win should be three points. You shouldn't get points for losing. At all? Ever. no even in a shootout even in the shootout you should not get points for losing i've been on

this forever man overtime you want to make overtime exciting and you want it done before the shootout fucking just take the take the loser point away adam's scenario is far more likely than mine the three for regulation two for an overtime that would be such an nhl thing to do just like let's make this as complicated as we can no i don't even think they would do that i i don't think they'd be more likely to go with your plan which is nope if you lose you lose i i prefer that i prefer that i i don't hate it man this question is from parker parker writes on our discord server my dad recently sold his motorbike with professionally done humboldt broncos artwork on it and the person who bought it was avalanche head coach jared bednar no way

he is from saskatchewan and so are we he got a hold of my dad and said you can come to any avalanche game you'd like we immediately wanted leafs tickets some of the avalanche staff said any other game works than that one so we get to pick stars hawks preds or red wings we have already watched bedard three times in the whl what game would you pick to get box seats at okay stars hawks red wings or preds red you want to i think stars you want to you want a heavyweight tilt oh and yeah by the way that nathan mckinnon hit yesterday oh my god people forget how evil nathan mckinnon mckinnon can be he's kucherov crazy he's a train yeah he's a train um he's way bigger than kudrow uh to me uh so i'm eliminating bedard because you basically told

me to i'm eliminating the preds because what are we doing here um so no like in terms of avalanche rivals what are we doing yeah so in uh it's down to detroit which is one of the most classic rivals of our lifetime absolutely or there's the stars who like that very likely could be the um western conference final western conference final um see the last time the avalanche played the stars didn't the stars kick their ass i don't remember i don't remember either i'm gonna pick detroit just so you could say you saw that classic matchup colorado detroit i want dallas i want dallas i want i want to live in the now and uh damn those two could play each other uh pretty deep i live in the now that could be a really great really great game to be at

hilarious they wouldn't let you go to the leaf games just goes to show the fans are everywhere that is so yeah we are a disease how crazy is that that you couldn't they couldn't give you tickets to those any game this game not that one but any game it's very funny very um this one is from fishy peg leg i thought it was very interesting um trevor's egress 12 goals or 12 games played so far this season he's been injured a little two points oh i was like 12 goals hot damn two points one goal one assist connor ingram 17 games played no two assists no wow just wanted to get steve's opinion on zegras's underrated bad start to start the season especially after just signing the new deal which was reminder three years by 5.75 million i know

he's on ir the the comment says but still seems really bad young player misses training camp signs a new deal doesn't play well i've seen this before um this doesn't mean trevor's egress is gonna suck forever it does he's over yeah trevor's egress is over party is over party join fridge there ziggs um no i i uh i mean he's he's not gonna forget how to play hockey um but boy the ducks lose a lot of games and they lost a lot of games last year and at some point trevor zegras is going to need to be good on a team that is watchable and he hasn't been for the vast majority of his nhl career and if he's going to be taken seriously in this league that has to he has to drive that he has to drive that yeah yes yes he can't sit there and go oh why

don't they surround me with this or that i'm not saying that you got to be it a little bit yeah he needs to be like world beater like line a despite the fact that he has garbage to play with still does score goals not as many as he should i think patrick lining we're seeing his youth robbed from him he needs to go to a team with a real centerman who's going to set him up he's closer to 30 than that's what i'm saying man that's what i'm saying but line a still does drive results zegras needs to show that he can do that um i have a question for both of you are you moving on from this oh no we okay you can keep going with this yeah just because just for the context of zegras uh he was placed on injury reserve retroactive to november 10th and uh they were

talking about he was playing it's a lower body injury i still don't even know what the actual injury is because nhl teams never give out those details but he was playing through the injury a little so ducks fans there's a little solace you can take in that two points in 12 games isn't good but he might have been injured for the majority of it plus you don't have a training camp and you're injured that's a recipe for a disaster i don't think there's a probably about it i think you're 100 right he was hurt the whole time yeah hey look at the jersey i'm wearing i just realized the ducks um so there you go there's a don't be like so down on on zegras ducks fans trevor zegras is not over yet party yes i think that's the that's a great rolls off the tongue title of

the episode right there alexander ovechkin has not scored a goal in 11 games is alexander ovechkin ever going to score again uh is it alexander ovechkin is over party no seriously though i i know that he'll score goals will he ever score at the rate that he did even last season ever again So we talked a lot about O.V. breaking Gretzky's records, and that was with the assumption he was still, even if he falls off a bit, going to score 30 goals. Now he's something like 65 goals back of the record, and it looks like a mountain to climb.

But it's O.V. But it's O.V. but it's easier to score in the nhl today than it has been at any other point in novetskin's career save for maybe his rookie year teams are scoring more on average and what we're seeing with a lot of older guys sydney crosby among them is they're fighting the age curve when it comes to their production because the game is shifting in a way that is allowing them to have a longer more effective career and it is having the complete opposite effect for for ovi now is that the type of game that he plays is it just bad luck i mean the caps have been pretty good this year yeah he

looks kind of sluggish though and like even though they've been good they haven't been scoring goals like this is a team propped up a lot by goaltending which is honestly not what i predicted at all um it's obviously you never quite bet against him but we're coming up on 30 games here uh-uh like at what five goals he's got yeah like at what point he's yeah he's we've been saying that for weeks because it's been true for weeks either he's gonna bust out of the slump soon or that might be it like gretzky's uh record might be a lot safer than we think we'll see oh no i think he does it he hangs around he picks it up till he's 48 he picks up midway through this season i think ov will be fine i wouldn't be shocked but it's not looking good uh adam you

read my mind uh i don't know how you did it but i wanted to end the show on this little note from our discord from soap underscore dispenser ah it is about the washington capitals every year on january 6th the washington capitals should either host the day lightning that colorado avalanche or the carolina hurricanes so the visiting broadcast team can really lean into the storm the capitals thing oh this year hilarious on january 5th the washington capitals play the carolina hurricane oh no one day away from the hurricanes storming the capital tony d'angelo returns sixth how hilarious is that well you still have to kind of go with it by the way it is everybody that doesn't think this joke is joke is funny it's because 21 years hasn't hasn't passed yet was

it south park thing it's 21 years now it can be funny 20.3 yeah or something i i think it's hilarious and yes you must make a joke about it because life is tragic and what is it without fun january 5th 5th oh the hurricanes visit the washington capitals and it's a home game we were one day away right if they had like their coaches pre-game speech like out in a field somewhere like like a rally and dude it's the only look at the schedule it's the only non-saturday or it's it's the only january six is the only saturday of the whole month of january that the capitals

don't have a game i think they did it on purpose i think you're right they play every saturday that's hilarious one time and it's january and it's the hurricanes who are the storm surge

team that rules that are you kidding me oh that's perfect yep one day one day great all right that's great um uh on the on the washington capitals jesse i just want to add one one last thing too on pardon the interruption uh tony court kornheiser uh said i have tried to come up with the exact right word to express what i think about ted leonsis driving a stake through the middle of downtown dc the capital of the united states of america and the word i've come up with is villainy yeah the dude's a cheap rich asshole

that's that's all it is he wants to get 600 million dollars out of taxpayers either from virginia or washington dc and he's a billionaire yeah but if he's a dick if people are paying for it then the tickets are free oh yeah you know what no no no they get to benefit from the profits because they have a profit sharing agreement with the capitals so if the capitals and the and the wizard make a profit then that definitely goes back to the taxpayers always definitely and not the next asshole who asked for hundreds of millions of dollars

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