The Steve Dangle Podcast - Yellow Shirt | April 21, 2023

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

Visit http://www.danglepicks.com/ to win a signed Mitch Marner jersey! On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the John Tavares Kombucha Hat-Trick Game (00:00), Michael Bunting is suspended for ...3 games (52:00), You Can Bet That with Sports Interaction (1:05:00), a Brandon Tanev kiss of death (1:10:00), the Rangers should have never acquired Patrick Kane (1:16:00), Mark Stone's coming out party (1:22:15), why did Dean Evason not start Filip Gustavsson? (1:25:00), Florida and Boston have an intense battle (1:35:00), the Islanders got jobbed (1:40:00), when will McDavid score? (1:46:00), will mlse lose Kyle Dubas to Pittsburgh? (1:51:00), and Twitter is melting (1:59:00). Recorded: April 21, 2023 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc/en-us/articles/216779528-Responsible-Gaming-Self-Limitation-Self-Exclusion Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Ontario Only. Must be 19+ or older to play. Visit this episode's sponsors: https://sportsinteraction.com/sdpn Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Steve Dangle Podcast, powered by Sports Interaction. Want to bet? Backhanding. Woo! S-D-P-P. The Steve Dangle Podcast, with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wild, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! What's that? It's S-C-P-N. Pick them at danglepicks.com.
Starting point is 00:00:24 You can get yourself a Mitch Marner signed jersey, and there's second and third place prizes too. Because we believe in loser points I don't think we explain clearly enough Because we're not very good at explaining things That it's for every game Yes Every game We just have this thing open where you can go
Starting point is 00:00:41 You answer our questions And if you are at the top of the leaderboard You win a Mitch Marner jersey Game 1, game 2, game 3, game 4 And game 5 And we'll see Cheeseburger What?
Starting point is 00:00:58 That's me for Dangle Picks. No. You can bet on whether or not there's a cheeseburger. Anyway, there's big prizes to be won. Check it out. DanglePicks.com. Steve and Jesse and I got absolutely slammed in the first game. But if you bet hard on Tampa, you won.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Crazy. Game two, though. I want to see the results. I don't know what my points are yet, but I'm pretty excited about it. I haven't looked either. I feel like most things. I'm pretty sure I won. I have something.
Starting point is 00:01:24 I have a present for both of you to start the game today. But you're not allowed to look at it just yet. So pass that down to Jesse, please. Is it a beer? Pass it down to Jesse. I don't know what it is. We're going to do a... Don't look at it yet.
Starting point is 00:01:36 Don't you fucking look at it. Is it a beer? Don't you fucking look at it. Yeah, I think it's a... I'm not drinking beer at 10 a.m. It's not big enough to be a quart of really bad beer. Gentlemen. At noon on Friday.
Starting point is 00:01:48 Gentlemen. I would like to raise a toast. To the one and only. You ready? Is the camera on me? Is the camera on me? Get it on. come on ready
Starting point is 00:01:58 to the one and only John Tavares a kombucha toast to the man who got the hat trick John Tavares we're gonna drink a little local this is greenhouse kombucha
Starting point is 00:02:11 this isn't his kombucha this is not his cake of kombucha but you know Johnny does it so I just want to do a little cheers come on Jesse Adam did they only have two red ones? yeah they had two red ones and one purple
Starting point is 00:02:20 that was all they had so here we go I'm afraid it's gonna fizz you know what I get it it won't fizz It's actually really good Yeah I get it That's good
Starting point is 00:02:28 Oh Jonathan I get it Nice fermented beverage I'll never Is it Yes it is fermented Like is it I don't know why they Does that mean it's boozy
Starting point is 00:02:37 No no no booze No booze No booze Yeah it's good though Right Uber home No no don't worry You don't have to worry
Starting point is 00:02:44 I wouldn't get It's Friday the least one It's Friday I'm not just I'm not just feeding you alcohol Friday No I think our drum show I'm gonna pick up my son
Starting point is 00:02:51 From fucking daycare Leo Get the fuck over here Oh right That guy wants a kiss. Anyway, listen, Jesse, I sent you a text just a second ago. Steve got a little bit of a shout-out midway through the first period before the game had gotten away on Tampa.
Starting point is 00:03:14 And I want you to put this up on screen if you can. I did? That's it right there. It is Tony X, known best for being a St. Louis Blues super fan. and the graphic is Maple Leafs playoff droughts, 19 years without a series win. The last one was 2004 versus the Senators, 54 straight seasons without a Stanley Cup final appearance,
Starting point is 00:03:36 last championship, 67. And Tony says, yeah, I understand why Steve Dangle will be going off now. It do be like that. It is. It's certainly like that. Last night, the Leafs went off, and I ended the segment on Tuesday
Starting point is 00:03:51 with this quote from Ryan O'Reilly, because this was the one thing that gave me hope. women be shopping yeah that was not what ryan o'reilly said he said i love osmos burritos which is he's now an endorsement guy burritos yeah the osmos that is not what osmos has burritos shawarma shawarma adam how dare you all right you have a sip of your kombucha i will and be right anyway hiccups right ryan o'reilly said this i did get the hiccups before the show i don't have them anymore i don't believe uh he said he was not worried that the Leafs just needed to adjust and move on to the next game.
Starting point is 00:04:28 And Zach Aston Reese, and this is from Lance Hornby from the Toronto Sun, said, you get so hyped up that you shit the bed. That's the way I felt after game one anyway. Yeah. Shitting the bed. And to start things off. Shitting it. Well, he said crap the bed.
Starting point is 00:04:45 I said shit the bed. But he meant shit. Matthews Marner Yarncroke started the game. the shell dog what a crazy idea i know they drew a penalty that led to a power play goal in the first minute isn't that wild yeah it's very weird how that works unreal so yeah ian cole gets that penalty in the first 40 seconds he tripped mitch marner uh after a mitch marner interception uh marner scores literally three seconds after it's the best it's a good shot he's developed a really good shot good screen leafs you know it's funny we talked about how um the leafs were trying to
Starting point is 00:05:23 get shots through traffic on vasilevsky in game one and it super wasn't working and perhaps they should abandon that plan and the leaf said actually how about we just do it better and then they did right they did it much better now without big bodies like cernak and uh headman in there it certainly makes it a little bit easier but you know the cruel thing and i said this during the stream is they don't stop the games no they don't do you remember in 2021 when they were like tavaris is hurt we're gonna put this on hold for a couple months and then see where we go that's not what happens it's just they don't stop the games game three is tomorrow game four is monday etc etc you have to make do yeah i don't even know what's wrong with headman like when he went
Starting point is 00:06:07 down the tunnel i was surprised i hope the lightning medical staff do uh he certainly They said it was undisclosed. Wow, it's a playoffs. Could be anything. He must have been heading into the playoffs or something, but they said it's new. Here's the thing about coaches during the playoffs. They're big, dirty liars.
Starting point is 00:06:24 Oh, yeah. CJ was talking about it because he saw him skating in pregame skate, like the practice and whatever, and CJ said that he didn't look like the headman. He didn't look like he was going to play, and then, yeah, he was out. Interesting. Interesting. um giordano and uh bogosian fight about five minutes in now what was interesting about this
Starting point is 00:06:43 is it was supposed to be belmere and giordano but the linesman stepped in so bogosian's like fuck it i'll fight him which he did not have to but also if you're giordano you're like this is a bit of a difference oh extremely like belmere i'm like okay bogosian i'm like uh maybe i should run because he's huge it happened very fast and i think you can see my face on the stream when I realize who's going. I'm like, oh, fuck. I don't like that at all. Like, Bogosian, Shen, maybe.
Starting point is 00:07:13 But I got to say, as far as tilts go, Giordano got some really good fights in and then pulled him down. Like, it wasn't... I think you give the edge to zero on that one. You see when the ref gave him, like, four pats on the butt to get him up? Yeah, he, like, spanked Bogosian.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Yeah, like, six times. It was just whack of them. You see that viral video of that dude betting on the horses, and he's smacking himself on the ass for the horses to go. What, like Kramer from Seinfeld? Yeah, yeah. He's doing the Kramer
Starting point is 00:07:45 from Seinfeld. That's what that felt like. Why is the ref beating his butt so much? I don't know if that's the hockey thing. Like, alright, good fight, now fuck off. Alright, I don't know what the hell that was. It's just refs in the NHL, there's a weird
Starting point is 00:08:01 line that they dance upon. Dude, we saw Pierre Maguire touch or tap Brad Marchand on the ass in the playoffs versus Boston. We were there. It's a little different when one has an effect on the game. Pierre Maguire's not affecting the results of a hockey game.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Sports has an inordinate amount of butt touching. There's a lot of butt touching. I guess. It's not like Adam and I are discussing what we're going to talk about on the show. I'm just holding on to his butt. He's holding on to my butt and we're just tapping each other's butt. We could.
Starting point is 00:08:32 I can tap your butt from the other room. This guy's got a fucking dunk. That's why I call it a power dumper, is what you call it. Oh, no. But Nize, Matt Nize takes a penalty. This is all before five minutes, by the way. And this is where the game could have evened up, and we could have had a completely different hockey game last night.
Starting point is 00:08:49 If Sam Sonoff does not make the saves that he makes on that penalty kill, I mean, it was kind of a weak, it was not the best call for Nize, but it was also like, playoff-wise, it's like on the line of playoff calls. You could see why the refs made the call. It was on the hands, whatever. But Sammy with some big saves there. Some big, big saves. I know he's fighting something, and I could not tell you what it is.
Starting point is 00:09:15 But it's funny. Sometimes he goes into the splits, and he winces, and you think the world's over. And other times he goes into it like Gumby, and he's just totally fine. Yeah. The Nyes penalty was unfortunate. The Jake McKay penalty on Perry was real stupid. What I'm going to get into. So the next one is Corey Perry snows Samson off.
Starting point is 00:09:37 And of course he does. He's Corey Perry. If Corey Perry was playing for you, I'd pay Corey Perry to snow with their goalies. That's what I'm here for. But McCabe pushes him once and then pushes him again. And when he does it, it's hand up in the face. And Perry sells it. And he's good at that.
Starting point is 00:09:54 Indignantly. I don't. In the National Hockey League? like i haven't done this 4 000 times in my career to me when i watch the boston bruins play in the playoffs i see them do that all the time all the time they never get called mccabe got called on that that's why i had a problem with it i officiating wise i was like guys there's just we know it's different why are we calling that i mean when we get we'll i can't wait to talk about the bruins panthers series because yeah leave it to radko gutas to make me feel bad for
Starting point is 00:10:28 brad marshand like holy shit no kidding um and of course uh so here's the thing the leafs kill that penalty taveras uh with a big second goal so lightning had two power plays in a row the leafs at this point are getting shot eight to three and you get and you see morgan riley driving and i believe this is going to be his second assist but what he does is when he drives the outside and when he's moving he's very very good at this opens up the lightning defense and is able to drive deep enough that he can pass to Tavares who is open because there's people moving around and Tavares scores were from Tavares usually scores was about 10 feet in front of the net just right there dude I as soon as it was announced last game and we knew Kerfoot was
Starting point is 00:11:14 gonna be on that second line with Tavares and Nylander I said fuck like at the top of my lungs Because, dude, I hate that line. I hate it. And they were the best line on the ice. They were. And Stamkos then takes a high stick, or has a high stick on McCabe. And by the way, I believe, yeah, that's the one where Willie scored on the delayed penalty. It was a double minor.
Starting point is 00:11:33 But it was a double minor, so we got two more minutes after that. I was very confused on the broadcast. I'm like, well, why is Stamkos in the box also? But that is a, that Willie goal. That was a big goal. That was a big goal. because it's 2-0 as a Leaf fan is nothing. You're like, okay, well, we might as well be tied.
Starting point is 00:11:52 2-0, even 3. 3-0. 3-0, you start to go, okay, we really might, like, if we play smart, we could win this. Right? You have to understand the mentality of Leaf fans in the playoffs, right? It's like, I need it to be 7-2 before I'm comfortable. If you're not a Leafs fan and you have a friend who's a Leafs fan
Starting point is 00:12:11 and you're perplexed by the way they behave, have you ever adopted a dog this is exactly what it's like yeah listen i don't know who put you through what but i'm sorry and i'm here to give you a better life that's that's how you that's how i treated charlie and that is how you have to treat leaf fans because we are we have baggage man yep we have baggage yep but really deep down we're good boys we are and girls yeah we're good boys and girls um there is a two-minute penalty obviously after the Stamkos goal or Stamkos high stick and Willie goal but no chances and here's the big thing out of the first period guys the Leafs get a standing ovation when the period ends last game we're not complicated it ended with
Starting point is 00:12:55 booze we're not complicated win and you will be worshipped three nothing at the end of the first simply win so let me ask you this guys you're you're you're sitting uh you're sitting on the stream jesse and i are at home what are you thinking during the intermission it's three nothing what do you think why isn't adam in his box seats oh well that's true it's a good point it's a good point you give to a guy in a yellow shirt what are you thinking in between those periods when the leafs are up three nothing uh fuck yeah i'm i'm thinking this is amazing there's no anxiety crossing your mind no no it's how i've learned to not live that way how it's how it should have been with all
Starting point is 00:13:35 their defensemen that are injured and tampa coming into the playoffs like that's how we thought not not this much of a big lead in this domination like they had in game two but we thought they'd take care of business here and i'm glad that they did the leaf should have been favored with a healthy tampa lineup yeah and it didn't go that way in game one why they didn't have a healthy lineup in game one man they finished the game with 4d um and now that even more players are out like there was no excuse to lose that if anything they were in a better position defensively in game two than they were in game one because at least they had six guys they were playing could play um uh i mean there's no question that the front of their net was easier to take last night
Starting point is 00:14:17 but like vastly actually got beat clean a few times marner that puck doesn't touch a thing yep uh willie that puck doesn't touch a thing no sometimes we forget to give credit to the guys who make the plays and we we always fault the person who let in the mistake and sometimes it's just a great shot like I don't think I don't think William Nylander knows that the playoffs started because he's so unaffected from like his regular season play to the playoffs he always just shows up and plays the consistent game and like that shot's just unreal I don't know who's who's stopping that confident shot yeah real confident shot and those shots are not there they're not available for austin matthews and he got two assists riley man ah man he takes a lot of
Starting point is 00:15:05 criticism and a lot of it's deserved his dominant games are unreal when riley's on he's really on a primary assist on all four of the least first goals yeah come on so great player it's it is So Achari kicks off the second period with that really nice move against the defenseman on the Tampa Bay Lightning, who I forget who it is. Rush? Yeah, and Vasilevsky stands tall on that one. Nyes has a couple moments in tight where it kind of looks like
Starting point is 00:15:37 he's going to get it. The Leafs are playing really good pressure, lots of good cycles, good team defense. And then, and it's funny, after like a two-minute cycle in the tampa zone justin hall drives deep and he had done this earlier in the game too drives deep down the right side of the ice in the offensive zone and then just holds it too long and and tampa the tampa player bumps them off the uh off the puck they get um uh they get possession of it they bring it back down and tampa scores and and that justin hall and i don't
Starting point is 00:16:10 want to dump on the guy because i think he's actually played really great but in the offensive zone i'm seeing i'm seeing this a lot where he drives and then dead zones it it's just sort of like nothing happens i i don't know what that is with him because that was his game in the minors and we've talked about this before i think he needs to do things like that to be effective but he's got to make a choice in the ozone sooner he does but also his teammates got to know to support him i think what happens there is ian cole sends ryan o'reilly ass over tea kettle and And what I didn't see because it was along the boards is was it a slew foot or not? Because the bench sure seemed to think it was something to that effect.
Starting point is 00:16:51 I could see how it might be with the players involved. Well, you never know. But yeah, they got one back. And that's when I got nervous because it wasn't just Tampa on the board. They kept the pressure on after that. So I didn't like what Gio was doing on that play. I'm pretty sure he was the other defenseman who was in the corner. Justin Hall at the end of the play when he and Cole scores.
Starting point is 00:17:12 justin all just left out alone all in front trying to cover two guys at once yeah like there was no support for him at all geos struggled man yeah a little bit struggled after being like the most consistent defender after tj brody i would put geo up there and lately back half yeah the last like couple weeks of the season now these first two games he hasn't looked that great at this point it's three to one and riley has three primary assists and this is where his first secondary assist comes in because he they change it well no because he had three primary and then he had a fourth assist which was the secondary I thought it was primary so he gets it over wrong on the website gets it over to Willie gets it over to Willie Willie seems to put it off Asileski's
Starting point is 00:17:54 pads on purpose and then Tavares gets a second goal now do you guys think that that was Willie go because Willie's a cheeky hockey player do you think he was throwing it off the pads I mean it's never the wrong move to put it on net right maybe you get lucky and it hits something and it bounces in but i mean when you're driving the net and you know you have johnny hockey with you why the hell wouldn't you johnny toronto sorry did you know matt do you guys know matt nyes is living with him yeah i didn't know that till last night yeah he's he's had a little bit of this he's had a little bit of the kombucha a little bit of kombucha and kale the k and k a little bit okay now is this the oh it is okay the morgan riley i was just double checking to make sure i read it right
Starting point is 00:18:31 but the morgan riley four assist night was tied for the most points in a playoff game by a leaf's defenseman that doesn't surprise me dude it's they've been so futile so tied for the most playoff or points in a playoff game by a leaf defenseman tavaris's hat hat trick was the first hat trick any leaf has had in the playoff since alexander mcgillney in 2003 can you name the last time it happened at home because i got that for you oh i know mike gardner was on the list i don't know if it was him it was 1996 with mike gardner it was my car 1996 it's a home magic that's how bad that's how bad oh my it's pathetic it's like you don't understand if you're not a leafhead you don't get it but morgan riley isn't even for defensemen so it's it says morgan riley tied
Starting point is 00:19:18 the maple leafs playoff record for most assists in a game just out of anybody generally no no other maple leafs no maple leafs player has ever had five assists in a game in a playoff game now Granted, that's hard, but in six years? I would have thought somebody. Five assists in 100 years. Playoff game. Come on. June 1996.
Starting point is 00:19:38 I don't know why my brain thinks this way. Is when Disney released The Hunchback of Notre Dame. That's how long ago. We were eight years old. That's how long ago it was. Those Leafs TikToks where they ask them, hey, what's the VHS? And they don't know. I don't know if you guys saw those.
Starting point is 00:19:55 Those are funny. Turned to dust. so now it's four to one oh and i'm thrilled that the fact that twitter didn't say that too much about the four to one because they didn't really have time to zach astin reese scored in tight like zach astin reese does and you guys have been saying well we want playoff zach astin reese that's why you bring him in it was a good grinder goal and that from the whole line yes the conf lafferty zach astin reese line did look a bit shaky on their first shift but they're now kind starting to look better uh then the marner goal follows that almost immediately spin around and
Starting point is 00:20:27 shoot hagel redirects it i love that pass from brody yeah where he just where it comes skirts along the boards and he just cheeky nice to follow um and so at the end of the second period it is now six to one and the question becomes do you put vasilevsky if you're tampa do you put vasilevsky back in um and or uh do you have a choice because vasilevsky's going in and he's told you that do you did you see what john cooper said what do you say he said he asked him and he quickly said no it wasn't a choice like he made the decision for the team he said i'm standing there yeah he has a record right he does he's never been pulled yeah he's he's played every single minute of the entire Tampa run oh really yeah he's not he's not coming out of the game my uh Curtis McElhinney
Starting point is 00:21:17 like you're doing great Natalie Natalie was like uh there they did a shot of Brian Elliott on the bench and she's like is that guy a hockey player and I said yeah and she's like but he's like a coach she and I'm like no he's just a hockey player she's like he looks he looks old I said to be a hockey player yes but he's he's a spectacular backup he's man he's spectacular goalie he was the goalie for the ottawa senators um the night boy devereaux got a hat trick in his last ever nhl game that affected the leafs draft pick going from the fifth overall pick to the seventh oh so he was in net for the sins uh and that pick resulted in the leafs getting cadre instead of Braden Shen.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Wow. Yeah. So he was the starting goalie that night in, I guess that would have been spring 2009. And here he is still. It's amazing. He's on a roster, man. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:22:19 No, it's amazing what he's done. I'm not trying to take away from it at all. Can I look up champion? It's really rare. Third period. Can I read the Vasily stat? Oh, yeah. Hit us.
Starting point is 00:22:27 During the broadcast, it was shown that Vasilevsky had played in every minute of every postseason game since 2018 which spanned 82 games he's two away from tying martin broder's record of 84 games between 95 and 2003 so two games away from this all-time record you're probably sticking in for the seven goal game almost any other coach in the league does that um they're getting heavily criticized because you're jeopardizing your goalie and He could get hurt, but Vasilevsky is just weirdly, bizarrely, scientifically durable. What I said in the video yesterday is there's only two goalies in the league like him,
Starting point is 00:23:06 and I think it's him and Vasilevsky. Idiot. I think it's him and Hellebuck. And Peter Morazek. Definitely. Three goals. Three goals. Who else plays 60 games and stays healthy the whole time?
Starting point is 00:23:19 there's goalies who think they can as you know let me be bitter about frederick anderson's time in toronto again he thought he could do it he couldn't his body broke down uh hellebuck stayed in that game last night after uh getting cut open puts a band-aid over his face stays in the game uh and vasileski like i can't even remember the last time i heard he was day-to-day like he's just a bizarrely durable goaltender and you don't even think for a moment oh i bet he's tired it's just not a consideration going into the third the leafs had an opportunity to tie the most goals vasileski's ever allowed in his career in a game and that's in season or playoffs and that was set last series game two colorado finals last year when they had him down seven
Starting point is 00:24:06 nothing i streamed that game that was bizarre that was incredibly bizarre so uh uh first off you know and uh shen finally get into it because you know and they're they're arguing out the face off shen's not going for it why would he and then all of a sudden it's like okay they're gonna fight that like it's just gonna happen uh i was really worried i didn't like that fight for shen and jeno had those fast fists going and then shen gets that left loose yeah i didn't know he could box he's a lefty is he not is he apparently it is like day-to-day handedness i'm pretty sure he's i don't know he's he's at very least yeah i know he can throw his left put it down yeah we know that that was clear and it's it's funny because justin hall fighting perry and you know
Starting point is 00:24:52 justin hall's willingness to fight and being bad at it is something i can respect but it's also how i remembered luke shen as a leaf yeah he was willing to fight he was not good at it and obviously he's you know put on some man miles i guess um over his journey through the desert Through the NHL and going to the AHL and winning a cup in the bubble and winning another one. At some point along the way, he learned to fight. And they got some good shots in on each other. I would call that a draw.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Is that a fair draw? I'd call it a draw. Maybe towards Geno, but. Ultimate loser, Geno's hand. Holy. Now, as Geno goes to the box, Leaf fans are rowdy as hell at this point. And everybody knows him by now, the guy in the yellow sweater. and you know get into it now what happened what we saw on tv was just people beaking at each other
Starting point is 00:25:48 but what actually apparently happened was the guy in the yellow sweater sweater tried to climb into the box there's conflicting and they they kicked him out of the game the report is he tried to climb into the box and i look at the physique of this guy the security kicked this guy out and and i looked at him and there's no way he's getting into the box he's like he's he's a big man but there's no way that guy in jeans is getting his leg over and getting into the box so he's not like that yellow triangle yeah yeah exactly so i have a buddy who was sitting like six seats away from yellow no way and he was another rich buddy and he was yeah another billionaire in my life and he was telling us everything that happened uh what did he say
Starting point is 00:26:28 so i have the story so i have i have the story so uh he's true uh no okay so yellow shirt guy stands on his seat and leans on the glass and maroon um maroon cocked his stick in the box and then perry holds him back so that matches rachel dory's report yeah so that that thing about hey he tried to get out that happened a hundred percent so he goes and perry explain it to me because i have not heard this so yellow shirt guy's going crazy adam he's chirping he's chirping and eventually he stands up on a seat and gets right up on the glass looking like he's gonna try and climb over and then maroon takes his stick and is gonna go like and butt him with it on the on the other side and perry's like no no don't do that you're gonna you're gonna lose your
Starting point is 00:27:15 job how did that happen amazing so so they uh so maroon who's he was according to my buddy who's right there was like beat red and was like really affected by all the chirping like they got under his skin wasn't it janeau though that was in the box no it's all three there's everybody who's stuffed in there yeah yeah so so maroon they really got maroon yeah so fans like if you ever think it works it does 100 like maroon was heated and but security as soon as that guy um started to get on on his seat and going at uh patty maroon he's done he was he was out in like five seconds he was like he didn't even know where security came from you can't do they fucking got him out yeah yeah you can't you can't do that you can't yeah so but apparently all night um the least
Starting point is 00:27:59 fans in that little corner by the box were going at the tampa player good keep going i mean that's your job be the fan i mean you can't climb your seat and like hold on to the glass but like say whatever you want what i said in the lfr is if you wonder if the players can hear you or not behind the glass they can uh i was there game three 2018 uh i had those between the bench seats and there's a neutral zone face-off right in front of the Bruins bench. There's probably footage of it. And Marner trips, or sorry,
Starting point is 00:28:33 Marshan trips Marner off the face-off and they delay the face-off and I go, technical! So loud that a solid quarter of the Bruins bench turned around and looked at me. And I bet they were very happy to see you. You especially.
Starting point is 00:28:46 For a very brief moment, I was like, holy shit. There's his mighty might roar. I didn't think you could hear all that. Steve, you also got to like see these guys at media day. What are you doing? Fuck it. He's fucking being Steve.
Starting point is 00:28:58 That's what he's doing. Go Leafs. I'm not seeing Danton Heinen at media day. Go Leafs. Go. You never know. Only Nesson sees him at media day. Nyes at this point, by the way, is pushing like 13, 14 minutes on the ice.
Starting point is 00:29:11 And I was thinking this, and I don't know if they, they didn't make a lot of it on the broadcast because the line didn't get a goal. but do you want to play o'reilly achari you want to play against o'reilly achari and nize all series dude that's a tough third line that's a tough they're big and they're mean and they but they're not stupid what worried me about that line is i didn't like kerfoot on the second line but i worried about playing nize up there that's a lot of responsibility but i think it goes without saying if the second line works it all works the whole system works and it was it was working really difficult to beat the first line played as the first line is expected to play no surprises there the second line was probably their best line on the ice achari on the right of o'reilly
Starting point is 00:30:06 with whoever you put on the left i think is miserable it's a miserable time and nice is a big boy he's big if he can cut down on the penalties that was a slash and whatever it wasn't crazy he's like oh he's gotten two penalties in the nhl well and there was the stupid slash at the very end of the game whatever um he's a good stick lifting thief um but those are also he's really good he's got when he's got the puck and someone tries to knock him off he keeps contact but something that yes and something that uh i loved watching i was just like oh my god how lucky is this fucking guy he's sitting there on the bench as achari is talking over him to o'reilly i'm like you you couldn't be a luckier rookie in this league than having those two
Starting point is 00:30:55 like the education the crash course he is getting right now in the nhl oh i can't wait to see this guy full-time one thing that i gotta remember for next year is that that in-between period where keith's just trying shit he's gonna go back to the thing that we kind of all saw at the beginning so when they got ryan o'reilly the dream was you run your big three centermen and then there's the fucking two weeks and the next month where they're like okay ryan o'reilly's the centerman and tavaris is his winger and then when push came to shove they just did the thing and we're all here and it worked beautifully just i guess you don't want to show your hand for the last two months of regular season also ryan o'reilly wasn't in the lineup so we didn't know there was that too he
Starting point is 00:31:39 if he would have actually done this but like when we get to these moments he's just going to go to the thing that's probably the most obvious and always works i don't think you can counter nick paul with a dude who's not even a full-time center right you need ryan o'reilly yeah you do you do uh cory perry then scores uh again it's i believe it's the second of the uh series he scores the second goal for um for tampa he's got two and two games then he gets into a fight with Justin Hall? Yeah, he always picks his tough targets. And what was interesting about that is Corey Perry scoring and then getting
Starting point is 00:32:10 into a fight led directly to John Tavares' hat trick and to Corey Perry getting kicked out because he gets in the fight with Hall, then he gets the penalty, then Nick Paul gets the puck over glass penalty so Tavares scores his hat trick. Yeah, shout out to Tavares.
Starting point is 00:32:25 John Tavares' what? His hat trick! His kombucha hat trick! You skipped over a little part there. What's that? Patrick maroon should be getting fucking fine today that that cross check to the back of uh giordano's head right right along pretty bad that was chicken shit yeah i don't know if he shouldn't he probably is not gonna i don't think it was enough to get a suspension he should be at least getting a fine two or two to three hundred dollars whatever man like put something on his record that's chicken
Starting point is 00:32:52 shit and like this is a guy you know it is worth mentioning because we've seen over and over and over again in series that have nothing to do with the leafs players will do what you let them get away with maroon should have been kicked the fuck out of game six of the stanley cup final last year tell us why because not everybody remembers because he lost his mind on the officials i can't remember exactly what he did but in any other game he's he's he at very least gets a penalty probably gets a game misconduct and maybe even gets a call from the league but because it was a I think it was a controversial call I'm trying to remember exactly what it was it was a goal to put the abs up I want to say 2-1 he lost his mind Stamkos lost his mind I think someone
Starting point is 00:33:45 shot a puck at the officials or something and he should have been kicked out of the fucking game he does get red he gets red he gets right by the way when Pat Maroon's angry he turns the color red yeah like last night and now we could talk a little bit more about him because when he did actually get booted he he was yelling at the refs from the crowd too you gotta well and like there's so there's game management there right like okay we got to get cory perry out of here to calm things well hang on though this is why i wanted to bring this up with cory perry because i don't know if you saw this kaylee sibley caught some pretty incredible facial expressions uh from the crowd create kaylee sibley of sports net and i what you know how i was saying that she does
Starting point is 00:34:22 Corey Perry's goal and then fight with Justin Hall led to Corey Perry getting kicked out of the game. I want you to watch John Tavares laughing at Corey Perry and chirping him. Have a look at this. This is from this is all on the center ice cam. So this was not on TV. But Tavares is laughing at him from the other side of the ice after Tavares scores. And Perry starts to scream at him from across the ice. and this is where cory perry loses his absolute mind and gets booted they'll do what you let them
Starting point is 00:34:55 get away with man see this is and this is the thing tavaris just smiled at him to his credit perry does calm down i don't know who he was going at it with this tavaris tavaris laughing at him why is he looking at the beginning look at the beginning oh he's just what smirking at him from the box yeah and then he perry loses it and then he boots And then they boot him. Then he dunks a hattie on his head. Looks good on you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Well, that's after the hat trick goal. That's when Tavares was laughing at him. It's still 6-2. Yeah, it's 6-2. Oh, okay. It wasn't. Oh, shit. All right.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Wow. Then Maroon gets kicked off, starts yelling at the refs, people from the crowd, whatever. There was also the Ian Cole penalty where he just lost his mind and threw the puck up. I'm so glad the Tampa Bay Lightning employ Ian Cole. He did score. Sure. Two penalties, though. yeah and and not good ones either ill-timed off the first one which leads to the martyr goal and
Starting point is 00:35:55 then throwing the puck in the air like tell us you're coming apart at the seams without telling he's unfortunately playing in a bigger position than he should be because of all of the injuries so i don't fault him for having a couple mistakes but they're a rattle rattleable rattleable they're a rattleable team they are and i didn't know that colorado was able to do it to them they were the first team to do it since 2019 right it's difficult to do usually they're as steady as they come they could have got swept by the rangers last year end up coming back and winning the series thank you andre palat yeah who's not here he's not here and i'm thrilled that the leafs don't have to play against andre palat this year because he's a monster in the playoffs except for eastern conference
Starting point is 00:36:35 yeah yeah so uh with all that said um i i wanted to play john cooper's press conference afterwards it's because immediately following the game john cooper and i have this on text for you jess john cooper and the team have a closed door meeting immediately following the game i mean yeah you didn't send it yet oh i didn't send it i thought i sent it to the sdp and chat or sdp chat um that's not where you usually send i'm sorry i'm sorry it's there uh so this uh i can send it to you right now so this is interesting because john i was waiting for john cooper to say something because he likes to play psychological warfare right john cooper is a damn good quote and he's always got a way of getting under your skin as a fan of the opposing team i have a very reluctant
Starting point is 00:37:25 respect for him even when you went oh yeah because he's entertaining yeah his press conferences are usually unhinged but this one he seems rattled ed it's it's a seven game series it's not a one game one and done we'll be all right how does it change when toronto goes three centers deep and has o'reilly in the three c spot that's luke fox how does that change so how many centers deep are we let me ask you that well i'm just saying last game they they give me give me points all day against anybody in the league and then he gets up and he blinked he blinked that you're he's rattled he is rattled but what but he'll be back what he's done so well for so long and especially in last year's series is he kept saying uh we gave it to them oh we made it too easy for
Starting point is 00:38:21 them i'm very stoic and calm and we gave it to them and we're gonna be fine and he's good at challenging his own players through the media he knows how to push the right buttons and stuff like that and he didn't give the Leafs anything in terms of bulletin board material except for then he just did why so you can look at that as a challenge to point Sorelli and Paul to be better in Tampa if I'm Matthews Tavares and O'Reilly I am cramming that quote down his fucking throat in game three four and until the till the job is done I'm cramming that shit down your throat you you take paul uh sorelli and point over us okay okay you over uh con smith winner right the captain and the reigning heart winner okay okay we'll see we'll see matthews like he's
Starting point is 00:39:23 so unflappable and and you you rarely see him get mad i want him fucking mad i want to i want john bought to get mad about that quote he can't not when you're drinking drinks as delicious as kombucha it's you know available at your local convenience store my mood has improved like tenfold since i started drinking it's quite good jesse how's the purple it's all right what is the purple this is cranberry drink this is uh what where's oh this is the thing that's not ultra violet kombucha oh that's not a plant yeah so i wasn't sure if that was the name of what my thing is. My flavor. Ours is cranberry.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Yours is cranberry. Mine's ultra violet. Maybe it is a fruit. I don't think so. I don't think that's true at all. It's scissor, Jesse. Yours is sweet, tart, and what? Move your thumb. Cran-tastic. Mine's tropical, fruity, and quenching.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Ooh. I would say you're quenching, my friend. Just you generally. He has a tall glass of water, doesn't he? An act of probiotics. I'm so ready for game three ingredients filtered water lemongrass cold pressed pineapple cold pressed lemon cane sugar butterfly pea flour kombucha culture vegan probiotic i think that's it but anyway they're full of it that have those ingredients are real you need to craft a hat
Starting point is 00:40:49 and red dead 2 what are they full of shit about i think half of those ingredients are not real but uh they don't they don't actually exist just making shit up just making shit up it's just uh sugar water but uh uh here's what i want to say here's what i want to say uh the tampa bay lightning will be kombucha denier they will be back the tampa bay lightning will be back uh the earth is flat kombucha is not real this fizzy drink is flat um the the tampa bay lightning will be back john cooper will be back you might have got under their skin one game but there's a reason these guys have been in the finals three years in a row A hundred percent.
Starting point is 00:41:23 It's not going to be a long series. It'll be six games, probably. Is that long? That's pretty long. I think longer than... Longer than five is a long series. There's only four outcomes. Four, five, six, and seven.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Four, five is short. Six, seven is long. It's on the second half of the longs. Even, I mean, even to sweep a series, like the Leafs and Lightning would only be halfway there. It's so long. Tampa looks so injured. like if you took if you took away four defensemen off the leafs and one forward
Starting point is 00:41:57 you would look at the team be like okay like it's they can't really compete here they don't have enough bodies should they wait then until all the players are healthy still get a real match that would be the most fair if everybody was healthy and we played in a bubble like we did in 2020 colorado yesterday they're down to nothing they don't have land to scog they don't have a car and they could look at it don't you dare summarize that game don't you dare well Don't you dare. I'm just saying. It's coming up on the docket, sir.
Starting point is 00:42:24 They could have said, well, Tanev's making fun of us and we're sad and we're hurt. If Tampa stays injured, it's going to be real tough for them to compete in the series. I'm thrilled. I hope that's the case. It's not even just Hedman being out. If he's in, he's playing hurt. Janelle. Same as Cernak.
Starting point is 00:42:42 What's his percentage? Janelle's 100% playing hurt. Yeah. If Aismont comes back, he's playing hurt. Dude, Sorelli. Yeah. Sorelli looked real uncomfortable. I didn't see what happened to him, and that would be a huge blow.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Adam said Stamkos was washed four years ago. That's right. I must finally soon be right. He was a little wrong. A little wrong. Hey, by the way, I said I don't hope players are injured. I just hope that the Leafs win. That's what I'm trying to say.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Why did you say that? You said, well, it's hard for them to compete because they're so injured. I'm like, good. And I'm like, that's not what I... I just didn't want it to come across that way. I'm not, like, hoping for people to get hurt. I'm just hoping for the Leafs to win. Why are you a piece of shit?
Starting point is 00:43:25 I know. I don't know. Bad guy, Adam Wilde. Bad guy, Adam Wilde. Now, Justin Fisher actually had, I think, one of the better tweets of the night. And it's criminally under-retweeted. Oh, okay. Here, let me pull this.
Starting point is 00:43:36 He said, the day the Leafs realized they could simply play like this all the time. And is that not true? They could simply start great all the time. They could simply start Matthews, Marner, Yarncroke, every game and not overthink it. They could simply play team defense all game and not overthink it. And they did great. Game one, they played nervous and they were also coach nervous. They were coach nervous.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Yes. No question. And that's what we said last show is like, hey, listen, how do you expect the players to be not nervous if the coaches, you know? Well, exactly. So it was great to see they came out. They had a plan. they stuck to it now what do we need to see for game three before we get to dave what do you guys want to see how do you roll into tampa hostile audience absolutely stunning area around there
Starting point is 00:44:27 i love the tiki bar tampa bay tiki bar is amazing outside the arena it's going to be beautiful weather how do you stay focused how do you not let when you're sitting in the penalty box because you know the tampa fans are coming for you now how do you not let them get under your skin what do you do how many homes do you have in south florida many right next to rosie o'donnell who also lives in sarasota 45 minutes outside of tampa bay why do you know that why do you know mick chagger who also lives in sarasota rich people that live there to know that than rosie yeah did you go to her house like is it your house actually my parents have their retirement residence down there um next to rosie no they don't you know with a retirement residence in
Starting point is 00:45:05 florida they have a very lovely two-bedroom two-bathroom place uh that is like a condo which they work their whole damn lives for rosie o'donnell's got a 10 million dollar house on the water so in between sting and rosie o'donnell is your parents that's right me and sting we go to yoga together when i'm down there it's great and i said hi to his wife trudy styler that's her name that's her wife that's that's sting's wife is named trudy styler why do i know that why do you know that i don't know now i know it's not a real name that's a real name look it up so anyway they i asked you a question and you guys took me off so you can't i asked you a hockey quest jesse knows what he did he knows look at him over there smirking away you can't
Starting point is 00:45:47 count on the leafs uh or sorry well whoa listen you've said that enough you can't count on um getting a break like you did in the first 30 seconds like you did in game one um you just got to focus on doing the right things and that's what i said about tampa getting back into the game and that's what helped the leafs get back into game one before it all fell apart do the right things uh play with the puck uh move your feet dump the puck in and attack hard when you have to uh that'll help you create turnovers that'll help you draw calls you'll get power plays out of it and that's that's gonna be a thing i don't know if you've seen the the there was a graph that cam charron posted uh and it perfectly destroyed the fallacy that there's more penalties in the
Starting point is 00:46:40 playoffs oh really oh devastated i didn't even know that was really a fallacy game well because there are technically more penalties in the playoffs than the regular season okay but it's like game one game two game three it all skyrockets game four there's a drop five there's a drop six there's a drop seven there's practically none wow like think of how many penalties you've ever seen in game seven of a Stanley Cup final. It's not a ton. It's true. It's not a ton.
Starting point is 00:47:10 It's very rare. So they got to do the right things. They got to continue to apply not just pressure to the front of Tampa's net, but speed. They were trying the standstill battles in front of Vasilevsky, and it wasn't working. It's got to be a little bit more flyby, which has sort of been the Leafs' strength all year.
Starting point is 00:47:31 Oh, Jesse's got the graphic up right now. look how pronounced that is let me let me read the title it's relative pp opportunities per playoff game am i right folks nice am i right so this is this is it says game one two three four like i don't know if this is cumulatively of across the league that's my assumption yeah um this is from 2016 to 2023 this is what camshawn writes in the tweet there are a lot of power plays in game one this season more than we'd expect actually with 0.8 power plays more than expected based on regular season's ppo power play opportunities per game here's a chart i'll update every couple of days throughout the playoffs data analysis found in quoted tweet so what we're
Starting point is 00:48:15 looking at here is um in from 2016 to 2013 the power play opportunities oh sorry 2023 the power play opportunities per playoff game that across the league they average so in games one through four um we in this i guess this would be we're counting or this 2013 or 2023 22 is that how we're looking at it it's a little confusing but yeah but they don't have a table for what year these bars are all you need to know is the difference between games one and seven so what you're saying is through one through four we see about 0.8 0.7 power plays opportunity per team per game and when you get to games five through seven it's the complete inverse so the charts on uh the the top of the scale and then it's on the bottom of the scale where you see about minus 0.6 power
Starting point is 00:49:13 players opportunities per team per game and that's consistent over a number of years it looks like it's hockey hockey hockey hockey prison prison prison that's how a seven game series goes so referees are kind of reffing on a curve where they call everything the first four games and then call nothing the last three games right so that is how the tampa series with toronto went last year until most series go according to the justin hall random penalty in game seven well he so there was a pick there was a giordano puck over the glass and tampa got one i think it's they're rare man they're really rare um game 7 2019 in boston there were two calls all game both around boston i think one was a bench minor right so you the leafs power play has been great
Starting point is 00:50:04 you're not going to be able to rely on it so do the right things do things that will draw you calls take advantage of the fact that it's game three and four because the next time you show up in toronto those calls won't be there right and according to the the graph that jesse pulled up like there are some years where it's just fewer penalties than the regular season across the board so they might not even be there in game three and four so move your feet do all the right things and what i was saying at the end of game three and i people won't like this i'm not calling for i don't like it i'm not calling for dirty tactics yeah and i'm not calling for intentionally injuring a player but last night when it got rough tampa's a wounded animal right now you're up
Starting point is 00:50:58 five six goals there's nothing to play for the game's over why are you even trying to score dump the puck into mikhail sergachev's corner every single time and hit him send in achari and hit him. Send in Aston Reese and hit him. Send in Lafferty and hit him. Send in Nyes and hit him. Legal hits all the time wear him down.
Starting point is 00:51:26 Waves against the shore. It all goes through him. If Hedman's out, Cernak's out, it goes through him. There isn't a more important player in the series right now than Mikhail Sergeyev because of the situation that Tampa's in. Into his corner, hit him.
Starting point is 00:51:43 That's the game plan. And even if it just knocks his confidence a bit, not anything, he's going to be, he's going to be sore, but so are every player, right? It's, it's, it's, it's about like, just like getting inside somebody's head. If you are operating under the assumption, and I think the Leafs are that this series is going to go six or seven games, make it so that game six and game seven are the worst games of his life. Make it so that he wakes up that morning going, fuck, make it so that he doesn't look forward
Starting point is 00:52:11 to coming to the rink. i'm not saying bean him in the head mike you know i'm play hockey play smart hockey against him do what every team has done to you since 2017 speaking of mike bunting two three game suspension which was a game over what steve and i thought two games over what jesse thought unreal i don't get it that's a crazy i mean it's basically a four game what is that number basically a six game well seven because he got the penalty in the game so 6.5 it feels like the leafs regularly get suspensions that are the length that suspensions ought to be does that make sense yes so i have a hard time complaining about the three because that ought to be three it was a
Starting point is 00:53:04 stupid hit and it was a dirty hit and it took a tampa player out of the lineup it can't happen however where is this league wide why is thomas thomas nosik got dick all do you see what he did to eric salt oh yeah yeah no but that's because they've set a precedent where that's not how many games somebody gets suspended for this like that's not set precedence is that nobody in the nhl gets suspended three games for what michael bunting did but if now all of a sudden that's the right thing to do i did i don't understand where three games comes from a lot of people were talking about nasm cadre and he very hilariously had the come on man like leave me out of this one uh tweet did you see that yes i did yeah um the one i keep going back to as a suspension that came out of
Starting point is 00:53:49 absolute nowhere was uh jason spezza getting suspended six games yeah for his hit in that jets game now it was a dirty hit and again he should be suspended intent to injure all that and maybe it should be six games for that he played over a thousand games before that hit happened over nearly two decades had a crystal clear record i don't even think he had a fine let alone a suspension and he got suspended six games and this is relevant in a 56 game season yep 9.3 percent of the season for a player with no history at all where the fuck did that come from so i know tampa fans are sick of the uh it's you know anti-toronto whining or whatever fine if you look at it at face value as whining whatever but what i'm asking about is specific
Starting point is 00:54:44 incidences of why i'm not i'm not comparing bunting to dumba i understand why dumbas hit is legal and buntings is not yeah the nosic one makes no sense can i can i play the explanation from the league hit me let's hear it all right adam wild these are your favorite people high sticking history high sticking history uh maddie you can't show this one because they use footage but so yeah all right here we go just the audio just the audio that's the best thing the league does is that sound it's unreal tuesday night in toronto maple leaf's forward michael bunting was assessed a match penalty for an illegal check to the head of lightning defenseman eric chernak causing an injury as the video shows the maple leaf's
Starting point is 00:55:27 win a face-off, and take a shot towards the goal that bounces into the corner. Bunting and Chernak turn to locate the puck, with Bunting slightly ahead of Chernak. Then, as the puck wraps around the net, Bunting cuts back into Chernak, elevating significantly into the contact and picking his head, making it the main point of contact on a hit where such head contact was avoidable.
Starting point is 00:55:49 This is both an illegal check to the head and interference. Yeah, it's a really stupid deal. It's important to note that both elements of the illegal check to the head rule are satisfied on this play. First, the head is clearly the main point of contact. Bunting's upper arm and elbow make forceful and direct contact with the head of Chernak, and it is the head that absorbs nearly all of the force of the check. He just doesn't need to do that at all. Second, the head contact on this play is avoidable.
Starting point is 00:56:16 Bunting unnecessarily extends his body upward into Chernak's head to deliver this check, missing his core completely and picking the head. He's not even looking. It is also important to note that this is also interference. Chernak is never in possession of the puck during this sequence. Yeah, but you don't get suspended for interference. You have no reason to expect to be checked, making him particularly vulnerable. Yeah, but that's a really good point, by the way.
Starting point is 00:56:39 This is also not a case in which two players approaching the puck simultaneously are mutually prepared for contact to occur as they battle for space. The puck is some distance from both players when contact is initiated by bunting. This is an illegal check to the head delivered to a player who has no reason to anticipate any contact let alone contact with sufficient force to cause an injury
Starting point is 00:57:00 To summarize This is an illegal check to the head and interference Chernak suffered an injury on the play Bunting has been neither fined nor suspended previously in his 187 game NHL career The Department of Player Safety
Starting point is 00:57:17 They convinced me a little it's a i want to argue against it yeah three games the only part of that video i will disagree with is they go cernak has no reason to assume contact shut up no i know that's dishonest no that's the main point that got me because like that's they're a hundred percent right in that that's not a situation where he's expecting to be beamed like that he's not expecting to be in the corner he's not expecting to be hit but like there's a we see battles like that yes a thousand times a game but the hits he's not eligible to be hit exactly flatly yeah flatly no it makes it a little bit even more dangerous yeah i i would just like to see this more i i also i don't have a problem
Starting point is 00:58:04 with three odd i guess they're allowed to do this but the amount that a player is injured is taken into effect here i didn't realize that that was a criteria because i don't think that's how it should be i don't think the result of what you did should affect the punishment it's not until it is yeah they're very pick and choosy well the thing is they don't establish standards so then they don't have to be held to them well right now we've talked about that before and that's that's their playbook and and we could sit here and bitch and whine and complain about it bunting deserved two games or he deserved three games yeah i don't have a problem with what the league did here uh what is interesting though what's very interesting is the fan reaction to to this because
Starting point is 00:58:49 you know tampa tampa bay fans were noticeably pissed about it obviously it's a horrible hit but so we're like so we're leaf fans and you know you put it out there last night about or i put it out there on my twitter about uh matt nice the way he's played you cannot take him out of the lineup even when bunting becomes available you can't you can't if he keeps this up you cannot take him i don't know where he goes well and so this is the thing a lot of people are like let him golf i don't know where he goes and i think that's really interesting for a guy that scored over 100 points in the last two years that had 50 points this year 23 goals and people are like fucking keep him out that's that's when we talk about liability and you know we first started
Starting point is 00:59:31 bringing this up people were like nice people were saying uh uh you know three four months ago in february start bringing this up people are like oh you guys you're overreacting you're overreacting look where we are he did not get a hold of sheldon keith has tried to reach this player you're gonna give four times four to a healthy scratch absolutely not no he's not gonna be a leaf next year they've been there i don't report it no no i do myrtle reported this morning there have been no contract negotiations well that doesn't mean it's not happening sheldon or sorry the key or dubas loves an in-season extension loves an in-season extension doesn't he i don't think i think they're waiting to see whether this guy can put a head on his shoulders
Starting point is 01:00:09 and i wonder even when he becomes available are the leafs like why would we change this if they the leafs keep winning why would you change anything if you're not putting michael bunting back in the lineup you're not putting him back in the lineup because you're afraid that uh his head's gonna get uh too hot and he's gonna do something dumb because then you you're keeping the better player out of the lineup by scratching him like he's a better player than matthew's nize i don't there's no like argument about that one dude has played four career certainly more established yeah so if you if you scratch him it's a bet entirely on we need him not on the ice because he's gonna do something dumb well and if you what's he shown you if you believe that
Starting point is 01:00:51 I can't fault you because all of the evidence throughout his career has been that he might fuck up. I believe that. When a coach gets fired, or not when a coach gets fired, before a coach gets fired, what do they say? The coach has lost the room. What does that mean when a coach loses the room? That means they've tuned him out. Yeah, it means they're not listening. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:17 The Leafs need a roster of 18 players who listen. He doesn't listen. I don't know what to do about that. He's fast. He's gritty. He wins battles. He can set up plays. He can score.
Starting point is 01:01:31 And he can cost them the game. This was a winnable game. It was 4-2 in the second period. He might even have been the guy that scored the goal that got them to 4-3. No one would be shocked. I wouldn't be shocked. He's perfectly baked into their game plan. he's an ideal playoff player except for he keeps getting kicked out of fucking games god are we
Starting point is 01:01:51 getting deja vu or what like so naz i i hate the comparison and no you don't deserve to be talked about right now enjoy your off season and stare at your stanley cup ring all summer that's what i would do but god am i am i seeing some parallels there's a player who provides something that the Leafs don't have an abundance who cannot or will not stay in the lineup what are we supposed to do with this information Mike Yarncroak's not coming out we know Kerfoot's not coming out hell will freeze over before Keefe takes Kerfoot out I don't I don't see a situation where Aston Reese comes out or it makes sense to take Aston Reese out so really it's nice and I tell you what If he plays great over the next two games, if the Leafs are up three games to one come
Starting point is 01:02:38 game five, when buntings, you are not taking him out fucking way. That to me was one of the biggest mistakes of Keith's coaching tenure is he, uh, after the Leafs went up to one against Montreal, he took out Sandin and put in Dermott. What did the Leafs do? They won four, nothing. And what did he do? He went back to Sandin. What?
Starting point is 01:03:01 Stop dicking with the lineup. You're up three, one. you just won four nothing just leave it leave it and then Sandin had a bad game five and it helped cost them the series so if they're up 3-1 when his suspension's up fuck that you want to you want to play him game one in round two if you get there fine fine it's good reset it's a good reset I totally understand that if they have an opportunity to close this out in game five not a fucking chance and even if they don't close out in game five i don't think you put them in in game six the more that this if this if the leafs get to three wins in this series
Starting point is 01:03:40 i don't think you can play michael bunting it's i don't think you can come on guys are you comfortable with that honestly tell me i are you comfortable i'm people are gonna feel like this is picking on them it's so disappointing to me because we called this for months and then it happened and no one was surprised and i think fans are really really like they're really like it's not like they're mad they're disappointed i mean he betrayed sheldon keith in a way because keith had taken his toys away he had taken them off the top line and keith goes i'm betting on you kid and he puts them back on there i think it was in the final regular season game and then to start the playoffs this is where you should be mike i'm betting on you
Starting point is 01:04:25 what does he do cost him a playoff game and everyone's job depends on it what he's supposed to do will be very interesting to see what happens uh when they come back to toronto because either way they're coming back so they're gonna be down three one up three one tied two two how much do you make on selling each of your season tickets for the playoff I don't have season tickets, and so I make $0. Why? I just want to know. Do I need to sell them to Bunte?
Starting point is 01:04:59 You're making a good profit. I mean, the thing about that is Adam doesn't need the money. He does it for making the pile bigger. If I don't feel like going, I just leave the seats empty. Imagine. Just burn the tickets. Adam counterfeits tickets and mobs people. All right.
Starting point is 01:05:17 Let's bring on Dave, and then we're going to get to the rest of the series. you can bet that with david bastel brought to you by sports interaction get in the action and make a play 19 plus please play responsibly all right don't forget to go to danglepix.com and get yourself in for that sports interaction sponsored uh prize pack including a mitch marner uh signed jersey by the way you do this before every single game and i'm not sure if we explained that enough on Monday is that like you get to win
Starting point is 01:05:47 it's not just one jersey if this season if the series goes seven games it's seven different jerseys that are available you better have seven Dave yeah Dave
Starting point is 01:05:55 we have 25 in the closet it's fantastic all different sizes and colors all different no I'm just we have everything
Starting point is 01:06:04 we got you covered if they're going to the cup we got it for the cup yeah and the the game's like a little harder than you think because the questions
Starting point is 01:06:11 seem easy but then you're like oh I got that wrong so you go to dangle picks and it'll be like oh how many power plays will the Leafs get and it'll be like I'll put like three plus and then like but then I'm wrong yeah oh yeah oh yeah and the other thing is if you bet hard on one team and they lose like the Leafs did on Tuesday uh you're not getting any points and that's what I did I sure bet hard on the Leafs oh I bet hard in the Leafs game too
Starting point is 01:06:35 now Dave tonight sorry for Saturday night we got the the lines already what do we have Leafs in Tampa here at sportsinteraction.com yeah it's a little bit closer and I think a lot of it has to do with home ice advantage for the tampa bay lightning i'm actually kind of surprised in a way that the leafs are actually favorites in game number three i thought maybe you'd kind of change over slight tampa lean but it is the leafs at a 184 tampa coming in at 199 so just under two uh six and a half seems to be a common over under between these two teams because you got a lot of firepower and we are also looking at two games so far that have gone over the total uh but right now guys the Leafs uh favorites on the road what are your thoughts about that I mean I like it I hope
Starting point is 01:07:16 they march into to Tampa and do the same things that they did last night I think it's gonna be a little harder with the crowd against them but uh I mean listen I feel like the team we saw last night is a heck of a lot more like the Leafs we know yeah than the than Monday than Tuesday night's game right so yeah that's what I keep saying that's what we keep telling myself and my therapist Also, a couple of Ontario-born players. We got Nick Paul and Corey Perry at 4.5 to 1 to score a goal. Oh, boy, that's good value. Corey Perry has scored twice in this series already.
Starting point is 01:07:45 Yeah, man. And that's why I threw that out there, because it's the Corey Perry factor. That pain in the ass seems to be around the net all the time, and you're almost getting five times your money. So I thought, okay, two goals this series. Is he going to make it three? Might be worth an opportunity.
Starting point is 01:08:01 And Nick Paul, although he's not a goal scorer, he's he's that he's that little bit of a thorn in the side even with the senators this guy was always around the net he's not going to get you a lot of goals but does he score in game three is it worth a little bit of a risk I think it might be I circle Perry before Paul though they're bigger guys have been a little quiet but he's been good something to look out for too is sometimes you get some really interesting value and and I'm going off the board here Dave because you weren't prepared for this question but you were talking about it and and for people that hear this on Saturday morning i apologize but for friday night uh oilers and la there's something that you pointed out
Starting point is 01:08:37 you're like wow i'm kind of surprised given how the first two games have gone that this is the case yes uh you know what i i looked at this series very similar to what we talked about with the leafs and the lightning where i thought okay the series shifts back to los angeles the kings will be the favorites in this one but they are not the oilers are favorites on the road at sports interaction for that friday game and i'm a little surprised because i look at i look at the kings and oilers as very similar um not not styles per se but the quality so yeah if you're in la la is the favorite if you're in edmonton edmonton is the favorite even more so than where i'd grade toronto and tampa because i think there is a little bit more of an edge that toronto has
Starting point is 01:09:19 over tampa overall but i don't see that in this king's oiler series i don't know about you guys mcdavid has been held in check by mr philip dineau and anze kopitar the fact that the kings are a home dog like take that every single day they look yeah absolutely fantastic well i also i also want to just shout out all the edmonton fans who are like i can't believe you guys lost montreal in the first round tavaris was out and then they put dineau on matthews well i'm just say no let him cook hey i'm talking about phil to know my guy who's one of the best defensive centers in the league come on man there's a point let me finish the point before you cut me off this is definitely about the leafs but he got there yeah i did get there thank you 2015 yeah
Starting point is 01:10:06 yeah i'd listen i never forget a leafs loss anyway dave thanks so much for the call go jets go buddy oh i love you guys have a nice weekend well okay so let me ask you this Can I Can we start with Brandon Tanev The kiss of death So he You know
Starting point is 01:10:25 Seattle Has another great start Against the Avalanche They're up 2-0 After Tanev's goal He blows a kiss He cost me 2 bucks Did he?
Starting point is 01:10:34 Why? That fucker Did you bet against? Yeah Seattle was up 1-0 And Drew was so down On the Avs And
Starting point is 01:10:41 Sports Interaction Had Seattle At plus 1-0 And And they were winning. And I'm like, oh, $2. Steve, right there. Then they go up 2-0.
Starting point is 01:10:52 Tanev with the kiss of death. And it was the last goal they scored. That's right. The Avalanche came back, win the game. Lost my two bucks. And I wonder, you know, like, listen, the Kraken have been known as the team team, right? They are like, this is like the team of team. I was confused at first.
Starting point is 01:11:09 And then I was like, no, that's actually perfect. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, they play team game. There's no big, like, superstar. But they kind of do everything by committee. and it's you know i i understand a team having swagger but when you're like a team team you can't be you can't be doing stuff like that or maybe i mean i think it makes the league way more interesting they're like a well-disciplined elementary class yeah like i just picture uh
Starting point is 01:11:31 dave hackstall walking in there going and the whole room goes very attentive any of your teachers ever do that no i had like i had the teachers that did the boring like one and by three if you were still talking go to detention or whatever no oh miss full pay she was she was a big and we all go oh that's cool i like that that's way better way less threatening too there were days where it sounded threatening yeah i bet it earned right fair enough she was right fair enough so you know it's it's uh uh the tan of thing blowing this kiss is kind of unfortunate for the seattle kraken who've looked very very good in this series um evan rodriguez is looking like a pretty good uh pretty good player for them uh
Starting point is 01:12:17 uh leckanen obviously natushkin you need goals from people you need the story of the game is devon taves potting that rebound how like um who was it kale mccarr and his post-game interview was like the team runs through devon taves i think he even said uh taser or whatever nickname Stupid hockey nickname he gave them. I love it. Those guys absolutely love Taves. And it was cool to see him have that moment and then everybody talk about him post-game.
Starting point is 01:12:46 I think the only people that need to be angrier that Colorado only got him for two second-round picks, other than, like, every other team in the league has got to be the Islanders, who had him and could have kept him. So I was just looking it up. The Avs gave up three second-round picks. Oh, it was three?
Starting point is 01:13:02 Well, two for Devon Taves, one for Arturi Lekanen. They didn't give up a first for either of those guys And they stuck around Lekanen is so Underrated We should have listened to Habs fans Now that he's on a good team I see how good he is I'm just being a dick
Starting point is 01:13:20 But no he's unreal Taves is unreal Josak calls you send that shit to voicemail Georgiev had a rough start And then he kept them in the game So I was like They were down 2-0 Georgiev was in there
Starting point is 01:13:35 I was like, this could get bad. Yeah. You know? And then they all, the entire team, just they hunkered down and they got to it. And you may have a couple of really good saves that kept them in the game. One on a breakaway by Yanni Gord. And yeah, Colorado, they look good. Grubauer made 38 saves.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Where has this been? Yeah. I know. I know. I know. But we were talking about Martin Jones and how good he's going to be. And then they start Grubauer. I'm like, oh, so they're dead.
Starting point is 01:14:04 and all of a sudden he's like pre-shit Philip Grubauer. Yeah, it's crazy. And it's good to see. Interesting that it's against his own team. He was unplayable last year. Completely. And partially this year too. It was great this year.
Starting point is 01:14:22 Yeah, he lost his job to Martin Jones. And now here he is. So I have a question. If the Colorado Avalanche win the next game, do we start to talk about the Brandon Tenev kiss as the kiss of death? No. Not until the series is over.
Starting point is 01:14:36 No, they're going back to Climate Pledge. The place that Bezos built is going to be the first ever playoff game in Seattle. That'll be fun. They got to win that for the fans. CEO, entrepreneur. That's got to be their goal song. It should be. The Bezos are free.
Starting point is 01:14:54 Jeffrey Bezos. The whole arena. Just going nuts. How haven't they done that? If the world was actually fun, that would be the goal song. Come on, Jeffrey, you can do it. Come on. Who's not losing their shit to that?
Starting point is 01:15:11 Who do you think, like, how many, which of his underlings do you think showed him that song for the first time? Like, he wasn't at home watching Netflix. Do you think he's seen it? He must have. I don't know. He must have heard about it by now. Show me the video. you know what we talk bring me a fresh goblet of blood we talk a weird amount about jeffrey
Starting point is 01:15:34 on the show he's sort of a big comes up all the time sort of like a big factor in everyone's lives these days you know well i mean a package arrived before the show started jesse who was it from that was from amazon jeffrey you can do it um tell us why uh don't make me do the whole thing uh so uh now i do want to move to the rangers and devils here because the rangers first off i was told that patrick kane was going to hurt yeah uh patrick kane was supposed to hurt the rangers um yeah definitely adam fox is number one with mitch marter in the league in points mitch marter and adam fox currently are leading the they both have six wow okay uh but but um uh patrick kane awful washed terrible uh he's got four points in two games old guy you know he's
Starting point is 01:16:29 like literally people are like this hurts their chances he's not gonna be he's taking up a roster spot of a guy who's just not like he's better top six sucks with patrick kane yeah no like thanks guys guys tarasenko and kane were stars one and three for the rangers last night i and they got those guys for like what a bag of bag of pucks like i think there are stats out there that are incredibly useful and there are others that break our brains into thinking patrick kane makes your team worse than it was before. I assure you it doesn't. I'm going to go out on a limb.
Starting point is 01:17:08 Guys, this is why you tune in to this show for a hot fucking analysis. I think having good players on good teams makes you better. But what if he's not a good player? Like the stats said. Well, I don't think they did. What stats?
Starting point is 01:17:27 Well, I don't know. it was such nonsense it was like oh it was the week after they got him it maybe it was like kind of like two weeks it was a few games um he didn't play well uh defensively especially like there was a lot of turnovers a lot of he's not a good defense the puck going the other way and them scoring but it's like that wasn't the point of them getting Patrick fucking Kane it was for this moment in the playoffs in game two when he buries a goal and everyone's going crazy and he's the first star and everything's amazing that's why they got him not to play defense in game 64 of the regular season i'm sorry chicago i'm sorry no this is it everything's good you look at the
Starting point is 01:18:05 rangers right side i just don't know the fathomable argument that the rangers who had jimmy vc as their top line right winger like i i didn't know he was a right winger i don't think he ever played it on the Leafs when he was here for a hot minute. He was their top line right winger and did way better than anyone could have expected. And he was replaced with Tarasenko and Kane. And people
Starting point is 01:18:30 were like, I don't know. Downgrade. No. As it turns out. And so first period of cracking Colorado made me look like an idiot because I was very low on the cracking. And then Colorado
Starting point is 01:18:46 comes. I think it was more high on Colorado than i was low on the kraken um i so far through two games it's gonna be a long series but they're going to madison square i couldn't have been more right about this series so far and jesse i gotta tell you um if the leafs can't do it for you i think there's a real good chance it's the rangers year it's a pretty good one too um i feel bad for devils fans because i think going all season you You're right in the high of that winning streak, and then you have a team with the crazy improvement from last year when everybody kind of doubted that they could do it.
Starting point is 01:19:25 And then now they get to the playoffs, and there's a whole different kind of animal. Their game doesn't suit what the Rangers dish out. Which is what I said. The team defense that the Rangers are playing right now is unbelievable. And they've matched up perfectly with what the Devils do best. And they've just been shut out. and there's not really
Starting point is 01:19:45 when you lose the first two games at home like there's not real hope heading out for the rest of the series and Vitek Vanacek hasn't been anything that he was during the regular season like there's a big hole for their first two games really bad goaltending and really unfortunate is
Starting point is 01:20:01 Tampa screwed it up for you Devils fans if you're hoping to win it in six because the Rangers more than anyone know that you can't take your foot off the gas when going up to nothing in the series so i mean i they gotta squeak a win out here though i hate doing this because i think they win in game wrong when i make these bold proclamations but i think they're dead i think
Starting point is 01:20:24 the rangers have this i don't know in how many games they have it but they have it i can't wait for this to run on the prudential center uh i think they're dead steve underscore dangle i don't think that app's dying it's just steve dangle on youtube sdpn let's go i don't think it's a bold prediction to say that the team that just won two straight games on the road is going to win a playoff series. Well, Jesse, it was a bold prediction to say Patrick Kane makes your team better, so maybe...
Starting point is 01:20:51 No, that was real bold. And Tarasenko. And having one of the best goaltenders in the world is a good thing, and maybe the best defenseman in the world. Chris Kreider's amazing. My hesitance with any team acquiring Kane was the price, and then the price
Starting point is 01:21:06 plummeted, and well, okay, here you go. Pennies on the dollar for a dude who, I promise, does not make your team worse. Kreider got two more goals last night, too, extending his Rangers records. Every time he scores, he sets a new record. How many playoff games has he played again? 500?
Starting point is 01:21:21 Chris Kreider? Six. 600. Yeah, 600. It's been a lot. Wasn't it close to... We did it last game, right? Yeah, 88, I think it was.
Starting point is 01:21:31 No, I think he's over 100, man. What is it? Click it. Load. He has played. I'm going to beat Adam to it. Exactly 100. exactly 100 nice exactly 100 he has 34 goals 21 assists 55 points that is wild it's a lot
Starting point is 01:21:47 he's played 38 goals actually double digit whatever site you're looking at has not been updated it's 38 goals in 102 games hockey db is not updated nhl.com is saying 102 games he has four goals in the playoffs already this year double that's so stupid he's played double digit uh playoff games in a season five times and i think this year is six that's right um okay uh moving on to the next game here uh the last one last night golden knights come roaring back against the winnipeg jets and honestly i think it was the mark stone coming out party he was the first star big goal at the end of the game uh he looked really rusty in game one but this guy has been waiting and when he scores he celebrates there oh yeah he's a wild man wild loves a goal
Starting point is 01:22:41 horrible artist but yeah did he do the writing or the drawing thing played punctuary with him and he's useless oh really with a marker okay he's oh wow he can be forgiven i think jack eichel scoring last night that might have got him going like it was a rough game one yeah you know i hope that like sparks him he looks so jacked after scoring that goal like he turned up the crowd He did the arms in the air kind of thing. Eight years after he was drafted. Yeah, he scored your first playoff goal. It was unreal for him.
Starting point is 01:23:09 It was a great moment. Now, sometimes there are so many words exchanged on this show that sometimes we don't get to say everything that we want to. And I'm glad I didn't get to say everything that I want to last show because we were looking at the Game 1 ice time from Jets-Golden Knights. and i looked at eichel and i looked at stone playing over 20 minutes each and stone in his first game and god knows how long and i was just i was gonna say i don't know if that was the right move by bruce cassidy because he's coming off an injury and who knows if he's 100 bruce cassidy
Starting point is 01:23:48 knows if he's 100 and turns out he is just needs a couple games to get warmed up i'm glad i didn't say it and i feel comfortable saying it to you now one of the big things they talk about on the broadcasted the battle of the winnipeg goaltender versus the ex-winnipeg goaltender and i thought brassois held his his held his ground last night like he was great early on you know you you go down you go down early it's not it's not great but like just he was just as good as hellebuck that entire game he was strong he was strong it and it's so weird because like healthy where is he on the depth chart for vegas i mean he's definitely behind logan thompson he's he's won it now well yeah like now it's your job but yeah coming in like where was he i i thought uh
Starting point is 01:24:35 like logan thompson was a cool story last year but he would ultimately lose his job to aiden hill it uh man what a fascinating robin lennar on that well no because we knew he was going to be out all season from the hop yeah right but like if everybody in their organization is healthy where does bruce waugh rent coming in ahl he's claimed off waivers is what he is right the vegas is forced to put him on waivers and he's claimed he's playing for arizona hill too i mean oh geez uh healthy robin lennar with uh logan thompson that's pretty good that's pretty good um the uh the last game from last night and then we're gonna get to all the games for tonight uh you oh wait that we already gave you that so let's get it i was like
Starting point is 01:25:18 didn't we just do that we did we did so i was gonna go to bruins panthers next which was a disaster third period but the thing that jesse and steve are most fired up about is the wild and their goaltending now the wild lost seven three which is wild that the dallas stars were able to pot seven goals in a game without pavelski my uh goal prediction for that series is already ruined it's done they've already outscored what you thought they could do yeah i thought it was going to be six or seven three two games so jesse what'd you get so fired up about i don't i don't think i'm alone i think there are hundreds of millions of minnesota wild fans who are looking at dean evanson and saying understatement why why what are you doing sir philip gustafson comes off
Starting point is 01:26:09 one of the best performances we've seen of these short playoffs in game one steals a game in a victory looks fantabulous and dean evanson says you know what all season long we've been doing this thing where we play one goalie and then we play the other goalie and then we play the other goalie and then we play the other goalie we did it for the most amount that any team did it all season long i'm gonna do that despite all of the evidence in front of me that hey ride the goalie who looked absolutely fantabulous in game one so dean evanson decides hey sit down gustafson i don't care how many 40 plus save games you make i'm gonna play mark andre flurry in game two that's three times stanley cup winner mark andre flurry that is true alan walsh client mark mark andre
Starting point is 01:26:55 flurry and mark andre flurry despite his his terrific resume and despite being an awesome human being did not have a good hockey game there was an instance where uh minnesota was getting back into the game i believe they were down by two at that point and mark andre flurry let in a back-breaking goal for it to allow dallas to go up by three he had the puck and it squeaked out of his body and it went into the back of the net and those mistakes are unforgivable and the mistake of not playing the goaltender who just came off of a great performance is a little unforgivable mr evanson and i don't know why they made the decision i think it's a very bad one i think anybody looking at it would have just played philip gustafson oh guys oh kurt kurt overhart
Starting point is 01:27:43 The agent for Philip Gustafson just tweeted a photo of Gustafson with a sword. Stop it. Oh, no. I do want to say this. Does it now make it easier for Everson going forward, despite the fact that they're down now? Or they're tied, sorry. Does it make it easy for Everson to just say, we're not doing the tandem goalie thing? We're riding the hot hand.
Starting point is 01:28:04 And I also have a really great gift for you that I want to show off. That is Dean Everson. So can you, it's in your text messages. Is it him looking sternly at something? Yes, actually, it is. It's the best gif ever. This is the best gif on hockey Twitter, and somebody tweeted this at me last night.
Starting point is 01:28:22 Darn. There's a Bruce Boudreaux version of that. Darn. I'm curious what Fleury thought of that plan. I mean, players want to play, obviously. Taylor Swift taught me that. but is thank you for the she taught you a lot laugh i appreciate that uh taylor swift taught me that don't encourage him maddie now it's you know you can look at uh 16 and 17 when the penguins
Starting point is 01:28:56 won and flurry and murray exchanging games and stuff like that but it was out of necessity yeah guys got hurt right and it's different when you're like all right it's my duty to play here but i think it's a whole other thing when you're asked to play and you're like really i mean like who knows goaltending better than mark andre flurry and i'm sure he thinks he's cock of the walk but i know he was on the bench in game one going holy fuck phil's playing his ass off yeah right now and probably should play a game too and i wonder what that does to a goalie it's it's funny we didn't holy shit that photo is terrifying is that on the screen right this is a video waiting for you to make a point
Starting point is 01:29:40 and then okay because Dean Evanson offered up an explanation. I'm ready. Well, so I'm ready for his eyes to stare into my soul. What the series we thought this was going to happen in was Boston with all Mark and Swayman be too good. Well, there's that
Starting point is 01:29:56 but like all Mark and Swayman exchange games all season. This is fucking terrifying. They exchange games all season, but Boston stuck with all Mark. Now, it's funny. you know you can you can take whatever you want from it because you can look at boston not switching and getting their ass kicked and go ah jim montgomery stupid for not switching and then dean evanson does switch and they get their ass kicked and you go ah but i don't think
Starting point is 01:30:23 anybody if phil augustus and went in there and allowed four straight goals on on butterfly shots you know like it was it would be awful but i don't think anybody would have blamed dean evanson for starting him someone might have because oh it's what you've been doing all season i i kind of admire him sticking to i don't think anybody would have said that i don't think so either i don't know where that i'm with you i'm with you would have been incorrect yeah it's it's like listen i think people forget the reason that you alternate goalies all year it's because it's 82 fucking games yeah and then when you make the playoffs it's not that no play though no and there's no back-to-backs and stuff like that i i mean it's nothing against flurry at all
Starting point is 01:31:08 gustafson should have played game two i have one request jesse before you press play on this video please bring the video up and don't press play i just want people to see dean evans's face maddie there you go like holy holy shit darn indeed okay go up he must terrify people in regular life hi welcome to subway can i take your i'd like a cold cut trio all right here we go or tonight after gus had uh 51 saves last game it's just it's what we do right we've done it all year um it's the the game there's no nothing was on flower tonight it was all on us why the change in terms of the style of play from game one to game two that looked like that was
Starting point is 01:31:57 very much dallas's way of doing things and the wild kind of fell into that trap and the odd man rushes giveaways yeah yeah i don't think we gave up an odd man rush in game one um i don't know we'll have to watch and see how many we actually gave up um they played great we did not i didn't hear a word that fucking all that being said dean you're down four one you get a couple of quick goals you get it to four three he's gonna call for you guys to get to the room at least within one and those last five minutes seem to be a backbreaker yeah and actually we had a breakaway that wasn't a offside um and i know it's tough right um everyone in that room key point you know The Bulls has a clear breakaway, second-best score on our team.
Starting point is 01:32:44 But, you know, it's tough. I mean, like I said, we didn't play very well, obviously, and they played really well. Put Dean Evason in the Harry Potter series or we riot. Yeah. Also, I said earlier they got within two. They got within one. I forgot.
Starting point is 01:33:07 It wasn't two goals. they got within one and then they they fucked it up at the end of that period they got within one and then dean evans didn't went and murdered a bunch of cats i'm gonna creepily lick my lips as i stare just to the back of your skull his explanation no eyes no brain is straight to the back of your skull we did this all year for 82 games i'm gonna keep doing it so man fuck that's a terrifying we just can we just can we do a um a daily check-in with dean evason and how angry he looks lately like yeah like can we just just check it in with dean uh when his tongue came out of his mouth like he's sticking it he's like where was this dude in the 90s he would have never
Starting point is 01:33:48 been out of work as an actor no hi we need a terrifying and oddly off-putting groundskeeper like he's he's like the original villain in a marvel origin story oh you know like the first villain yes like uh he's just regular evil not like alien or magic evil hi uh yes uh we need a teacher who's unnecessarily strict for a children's film there you go yeah he could be uh what was the one from honey do you remember the uh do you remember the movie honey uh oh man he could be mr trunchable it wasn't it no that's miss honey what's that that's the teacher's name is miss honey oh what's that movie called matilda matilda is the name of the child he could be mr trunchbull i built that's what you called maddie for years right i called her no i didn't uh it was maggie
Starting point is 01:34:41 and i'm embarrassed crooked cop in a batman film uh yeah he's a perfect crooked cop in a batman film specifically in a batman that's what i'm saying like he's he's in yeah anyway long story short um now i want to talk about the panthers and the bruins because this game looked relative screen yeah he's he's intimidating me i'm can i dean am i allowed to get into the next segment or what looking at us too um no goals no goals scored in the first period of the florida and boston game uh but in period two each of them had two goals so you go into the third period things are pretty evenly matched and that's when things kind of got out of hand four goals to one and it's interesting because Boston's goal didn't come to like the very end Adam do you like
Starting point is 01:35:28 professional wrestling I do it's fine over 20 seconds span Radko Gudis gave Brad Marchand two rock bottoms and three angle slams and was called for none of them and I couldn't believe it right absolutely they I mean gosh those games sure seem to follow the Bruins around whether whether it's to their benefit or their detriment where nothing gets called and Marshan was getting thrown all around the ice it's unacceptable yeah Gouda should have been called
Starting point is 01:36:00 and again I go back to it's unacceptable but I don't feel oh I didn't say it wasn't so satisfying okay I mean I don't like either of those guys I hope the series goes seven and both of them play 45 minutes a game yep on principle
Starting point is 01:36:16 but also the Nosek hit on Stahl, and we were talking earlier about injury being a factor. Nosek was able to chirp Stahl on the bench because Stahl went there, and we haven't read anything about him not playing Game 3, so I guess he's okay. But both of those things have to be called in any league that has aspirations of being a professional sports league. But they're just letting him play.
Starting point is 01:36:42 Florida's so much tougher than I thought. They're a very mean team. I've been selling you on this for months. at all oh dude the uh not so much this year obviously because they're not the president's trophy winning florida panthers but they were tough nuts uh going head to head with tampa all pre-season regular season and playoffs long tampa outclassed them in terms of playing hockey but no they've uh they they've been a tough uh agitating borderline dirty team and then they added matthew like it took a while for them to hit their stride but they're almost better suited um now that they
Starting point is 01:37:23 got chucky and fluto shinzawa who is a bruins reporter for the athletic uh is saying today that it's well actually jim montgomery said today that it's likely that bergeron makes his first appearance in this series because if you haven't been watching bergeron's not playing and it looks as though he tweaked something in game 82 when the bruins were playing the montreal canadians And the story is that Patrice Bergeron wanted to play in front of his dad in Montreal one more time. His father is battling cancer, and unfortunately, life happens. And Jim Montgomery is saying, wouldn't change a thing about how we did it. If Bergeron comes back and is 50% of Patrice Bergeron, they win.
Starting point is 01:38:04 They win. You don't – no, you – I know the best laid plans, et cetera, et cetera. and there are certain players you just simply do not override Vasilevsky is one of them yeah but they've earned that yes it's not
Starting point is 01:38:25 something that's given hey Andre I think I'm going to pull you I think you're going to go fuck yourself oh okay and then he plays the third period same with Bergeron he wants to play game 82 he plays game 82 and you can't go through life assuming a guy's going to get hurt
Starting point is 01:38:40 well no I mean especially in game 82 unless you're Steve's mother yeah she assumes I'm gonna get hurt every day
Starting point is 01:38:48 like I have to call it's fine okay good love you then you can't go through life assuming that your little boy
Starting point is 01:38:55 will get hurt she's nervously like vibrating watching the show going get to Ken but there's part that you know I can always tell
Starting point is 01:39:03 when I'm talking to Steve or I'm talking to Steve's mom through Steve oh through Steve and usually Usually, it's when there's snow coming.
Starting point is 01:39:13 And he's got to drive. We'll get a text in the morning, guys, snow today. Yeah, well, it's January. It does that here. Am I talking to Steve or how Steve was raised? You guys, I don't know. Those Zoom episodes, I don't remember them being so bad. Maybe we try one out today.
Starting point is 01:39:31 Yeah, why don't we just keep Steve in a nice bubble wrap? Yeah. Steve, you seem to be chocked full of irrational fears today. and catholic guilt yeah and also you smell what is that pesto you have pesto yesterday you were at your parents house yesterday weren't you that's very funny big shout out to tina who listens to every episode of this show clemency bless her god bless her she uh um can only imagine what she thinks of us to be honest i know like this is she's got to think at low opinion i don't know why i hope so at this point there's a reason my parents don't listen they don't need to be more
Starting point is 01:40:06 disappointed we've done a lot of manscaped ads for anybody to respect us she just you know gives me the look and oh did adam need to post his vasectomy picture right oh my mom didn't like that either yeah well it's weird that yeah she's like i think you should take that down that was the only time she ever said that i'm like why i just might as well come out with it uh she told me she's like uh you know i've never i never knew her to be an enormous sports fan but her and my dad uh watch uh my streams um even though adam doesn't and i watch your stream i know i know i know i don't think they watched i serving either but uh they watched uh boy they missed the streams but i've never known them to be huge sports fans and my mom was like i uh listen to and click like
Starting point is 01:40:51 on everything you upload of noxian cax oh oh wow and i was like oh i never knew you to be like a huge women's hockey uh fan and she's like no gotta support the girls love that oh i love that yeah that's shout out tina that's amazing it's also just a great show it is a great show it is a great show i hope and and i i don't actually know any of this because they don't say anything to us but i really hope that pwhpa uh league launches in the fall that they've been teasing and this is supposed to be the fall that they're going to do it i am i'm sincerely hoping because what i want for that for those guys is like um you know then you've got two leagues you can cover right two sets of games you can cover like that's sweet i want pwhpa fr there you go after every
Starting point is 01:41:36 game every game get out of a longer and you know game over pwhpa flows right off the tongue um pwhpa fr uh carolina wins in overtime you know the most shocking part about carolina being up 2-0 is that the Islanders were able to score three goals in one game. Right? That is crazy. And again, everybody was like, if I'm going to pick an upset, it's going to be the Islanders over Carolina. Carolina's showing everybody why they're Carolina.
Starting point is 01:42:01 It's a long series, but this is, I said it, this is how the Islanders win and lose games. You could sweep them and it's still not going to be an easy out. I think sweeps against the Islanders are eight games long. Oh, it's going to be a brutal series. If Sportsnet's website isn't off, am I seeing this right? The Islanders got no power plays? Really?
Starting point is 01:42:28 That, to me, seems... I'm just going to check the box score again. But the other stat that stands out to me here is Carolina outshot the Islanders 36-26. Islanders outhit Carolina 54-28. They do make it painful. Yeah. Well, it's easier for them...
Starting point is 01:42:49 the most important thing about that no penalties thing is the islanders were robbed like i don't think there's any two ways about it they should have had a power play at the end of the game it was um uh jordan martin who caught uh scott mayfield i had to double check the names with a high stick at the end of the game and the linesman is right in front of them the linesman can't call penalties he looks at the official he's looking at the fucking high stick and they don't call it and the referees the official is behind him and a lot of people were saying like oh maybe
Starting point is 01:43:24 the linesman accidentally was shielding the high stick from the guy but go tell him like there's a penalty that is going to affect the outcome of this game I don't know if the Islanders score we can't make up an alternate universe where we get to play with power play but they should have at least had a chance should have had a power play they got
Starting point is 01:43:40 they got fucked over did you see the back and forth between Mike Rupp and Mike Johnson I saw Mike Rupp's little breakdown video where he's saying that the high stick was caused by Martinook, who no, it would have been
Starting point is 01:43:56 Mayfield high sticks himself through Martinook's stick because he brings up the stick. That's not a thing. That's not how that works. It's, this happened Which is what Mike Johnson said. Yes, so this happened with Stamkos and Kerfoot. Do you remember? Headman and Kerfoot. Sorry, Headman
Starting point is 01:44:12 and Kerfoot. But Kerfoot, or Hedman High Sticks, Kerfoot, or... He stick-lifted Kerfoot's stick into his own face, I think, is what happened. He did it to himself, basically. And it's a penalty. It's a penalty on Kerfoot because you are... It's the unfortunate way the rules are written. You are in charge of your stick.
Starting point is 01:44:33 I will say that rule sucks ass and probably shouldn't be. Like, okay, yeah, you got to be responsible for your stick. how about yeah but then you gotta judge exactly then you know that's the lesser of two that's why they've put it in the rule book it's blanket if you if your stick hits somebody in the face it's a high stick whether or not that guy stick lifted you and then you hit him in the face it's just the rule so mike johnson i thought that back before it was excellent like he was he was right about that and it should have been a power play to the islanders and like islanders fans have a hundred percent uh right to be pissed about this game i agree you lose an ot after you should have a
Starting point is 01:45:11 power play let's it's fucking annoying so here's what i'm excited about now we're back on the island oh so your prayers yeah now we're in ubs oh man i'm ready i'm ready cannot wait the islanders are in now they've been in this series the whole way let's go i'm not busy let's go yeah what have you got to do nothing i think you know i think uh uh ubs is gonna be rocking i think they they easily win one this could be two all by the end of this and it's not because carolina is not good it's because the islanders are that close they're built for the playoffs sorokin's gonna stand on his head i i don't i don't know i have this i know they finished like what seventh in the in the conference or whatever it was you know yes first among wild cards yeah but i gotta say i
Starting point is 01:45:58 believe in this islanders team oh i do it's a knife fight it's a knife fight yeah whether they're first or last absolutely uh what else we have here what else what other oh that's right the kings and oilers call edmonton comes roaring back and this is this is the edmonton oilers we were expecting still no goals from conor mcdavid though they've shut them down we mentioned it earlier philip and uh now when i was when i hear from montreal or edmonton fans about phil no i'm kidding now I think you're seeing the power of Phil Deneau, though. And Anze Kopitar is still Anze Kopitar, even at 35. Did you see producer Drew do his favorite thing?
Starting point is 01:46:38 What did he do? Troll Montreal fans? Poke the bear. Which bear did he poke this time? So, Hurricanes, he tweeted this. Hurricanes and Kings seem to be the only teams with an officiating edge in the playoffs. Here's penalties taken per series, excluding fights and misconducts. Which, yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:56 so carolina five to the islanders eight which is actually kind of interesting given the conversation we just had florida eight boston seven dallas and minnesota 12 apiece i'm skipping over one rangers and devils 11 apiece tampa toronto 11 10 for tampa vegas winnipeg is 10 nine for winnipeg colorado seattle is seven six for colorado edmonton has taken 11 the kings have taken five huge disadvantage for the oilers wow huge so we all know these things tend to even out but we're going to la if the correction comes it's advantage oilers if it doesn't it's advantage kings kings took home ice advantage away from edmonton even though edmonton tied the series up i told you this this to me is the series with the thinnest margin and uh the penalty calls
Starting point is 01:47:59 in this entire game were five there was no penalty calls in the third period at all four of them were oilers i want to see that cam charron graph but by period oh that can he do that can we ask can put in a request and take out fights and misconducts because then the third period is going to be by far like the most penalized period absolutely it it disappears it disappears in the regular season it disappears hard in the playoffs like if you you got to put some parameters around it sure so the team is within i don't know four goals right uh no fights no misconducts they disappear man if you didn't get one before the third period odds are you're not getting one yep i don't know adam what what is it i thought it was kind of odd when you said oh edmonton
Starting point is 01:48:50 one of those come roaring back in the series when the game was two nothing for edmonton yes and they blew a two goal lead once again which is not rare in the nhl anymore it's not but it's also a lot of positivity to take away for these la kings going back to la they were in that game the edmonton oilers clearly can't hold on to a lead that whole that that well uh based on games one and two and there's a lot of opportunity if the kings can i don't know steal a couple here maybe knock off the edmonton oilers it's the oilers problem that they've had all season long that i thought they had fixed it's it's a concern and it's going to be a bigger concern in la the inevitable is everybody keeps saying conor mcdavis got to get it going eventually i don't know he's
Starting point is 01:49:36 gonna he's you say that and then we're two games in you say that and then we're three games in he's gonna score we'll see he's got i mean listen kopitar and dino he is gonna face if they can get through this series that's the toughest test he's gonna face defensively i don't see another team in the western conference that's got two better defensive centers than the la kings like i only thing i would say is there are like i want to see him go head to head with like uh Cale McCarr handled him very well. Yeah, but Cale's not playing. Cale's not playing right now, and obviously they're not going head-to-head.
Starting point is 01:50:10 But like a Haskinen, right? Sure. So it becomes more of the defenseman's job. But who's got two better defensive centers? And Deneau scored. A lot of this is on Jay Woodcroft as well, because he has more weapons than he's ever had. Get Connor away from those guys, if you can.
Starting point is 01:50:30 And also switch up the lines. Separate him and Dreisaitl. But Drysaddle's been doing great. Yeah. And Evander Kane's got a couple. Put him with Hyman. Put him without Hyman. Put him with Kane.
Starting point is 01:50:40 Put him without Kane. Do what you got to do. Interesting. Camel Car played 24 minutes last night. Wait. Oh, I thought he wasn't playing. Oh, shit. My bad.
Starting point is 01:50:48 Well, no. Sorry. Like, he's not in this series. Yeah. No. I met him. I didn't know he was playing for the ass. Oh, you meant he wasn't playing?
Starting point is 01:50:54 You know I go to bed early, so I didn't realize he was back. That's my bad. Oh, well. I mean, it's not like I watched the Avalanche game. I was getting updates from Drew while I was shooting. Yeah, you can't get away from Avalanche updates now. Hell no. And I'll be like, oh, yeah, sorry.
Starting point is 01:51:09 I'm sending this late. He's like, I'm watching the Avalanche game. I don't fucking care. I actually think it kind of works to our advantage that the Leafs and Avs play on the same night. Rob Rossi, taking us away from the playoffs for a minute, wrote a whole article for The Athletic on why would Kyle Dubas choose to go to Pittsburgh
Starting point is 01:51:27 after the season's over? Because they're talking about the managerial situation. Dubas is a guy that their Fenway Sports Group is clearly interested in. And I won't read you the whole damn thing, but Fenway Sports Group includes a portfolio that's got the Red Sox, Liverpool FC, and RFK Racing. And Dubas apparently is a big time, he sees soccer and hockey as different sides of the same coin. And he said, is said to cherish the opportunity to learn from leagues outside of the NHL.
Starting point is 01:51:52 And Rossi, make sure to point out that, listen, he built the Leafs as they are right now. Why would he want to leave that? So he's trying to find other reasons why you would want to leave that. Isn't that every GM ever? I mean, but it's the autonomy, right? The vacancy at president. Yeah. But, you know, I said this about Dubas becoming GM.
Starting point is 01:52:13 And like, I really, I feel like he's settled into the role now, but it took some time. And what I wondered is if he should have been assistant GM for a little longer. And I look at him getting more responsibility and going. He was going to get a job. somebody was gonna get a job but like you just got your footing as GM like if you want to go some if you want to be a GM somewhere else fine that's what
Starting point is 01:52:38 you want I get you can't help what you want but to get a higher role than that I mean if it's more money more power does this conversation change if they lose this first round because you remember we're talking about this if I brought
Starting point is 01:52:54 this conversation up after game one what's your reaction to it guys oh fuck he's gone right right no a hundred percent um yeah he doesn't get enough credit i mean we we're fans we look at wins and losses yeah but the analytic staff that he's set up the sports science and the way they interpret analytics i think is important too which i think is a it's changing they do it very cleverly and it's changing and the goal posts are always moving he's he's set the team up for success in every way he fathomably can it's just a matter of will they fucking win
Starting point is 01:53:33 or not i i think he's a guy who can put a lot of systems in place um i'm curious to know what kind of budget he'll get in pittsburgh i imagine the fenway sports group is a little different from the group that almost lost their team to hamilton you're yes you uh you jumped very quickly to Dubas is already there and what kind of budget he's getting. Oh, he's going to get a big fat budget. I don't like that. Did you miss the Tina conversation? It's so unacceptable
Starting point is 01:54:02 if the MLSC loses Kyle Dubas. He's one of the best GMs they've had in history. He's doing such a great job. This team is phenomenal. Probably one of the best records they've ever had. My feelings are going to change aggressively based on did they win last night? It shouldn't.
Starting point is 01:54:17 I know, but that's not his job to make that decision. I made a flesh and bone. Kyle Dubas has done enough in his tenure to earn a new contract. Is Shanahan ready to step aside as president? And it doesn't mean he doesn't work for the team. It just means he's like CEO. Can he get a higher role? Because he might as well be.
Starting point is 01:54:36 But I'm thinking this, just thinking this from a practical perspective. If you're a Fenway sports group, you're like, if you want to make a trade, you can make it. We don't care. We trust you completely. To Dubas. Well, yeah, because they got the president and GM spot open. So he can be both. Yeah, but every team gives you that option until you lose.
Starting point is 01:54:55 And then they're like, actually, fuck off. And we have to have weekly meetings and this and that. Or until you sign a big contract that they don't like and it goes poorly. Yeah, hey, we gave you autonomy and this guy has 15 goals in 60 games. And kiss our ass, actually, a little bit. He's making $80 million to score 15 goals. You're sure about that? You sure?
Starting point is 01:55:17 Yeah. Then you lose some of that autonomy. Who is this Kerfoot you've put with Sidney Crosby? Oh, my God. I'm tired of watching him. I'm tired of watching him. $13 million for an A. Kerfoot? Cole, Sidney Crosby from A. Kerfoot and J. Hull.
Starting point is 01:55:36 Eric Engels had this to say about Pierre-Luc Dubois in his mailbag for Sportsnet. Because, he said, if people are really wondering why the Canadians might want to trade for PLD based on who he is as a player, they haven't been watching him this season and they're unaware of how he has stepped up his game in the playoffs. He's been so good that Canadians might want to make a move for him once this season ends. Even if they think his chances are strong that he'll walk in unrestricted free agency
Starting point is 01:56:00 a year later, they don't have to guarantee they don't have the guarantee of that and a lot can change in a year. He's a jet. He's a Canadian. He's a Canadian. But he's a Canadian. It's like the Habs have loaned him to the Jets. This is the most inevitable thing that's ever happened. It's happening. It's so strange.
Starting point is 01:56:16 I can't think of another situation like it. There are players who have tried to force their way to other teams and have failed, by the way. This is a magnetic pull. Yeah, this isn't a trade deadline thing either where it's a player with a no-move clause who wants to go to a specific place. This is an RFA with as little agency as the league can afford a player, and he's a hab playing in Winnipeg.
Starting point is 01:56:41 Yep, yep. At some point, he should get a place closer to the bell center. probably yeah he might want to rent an apartment i the last thing i want to say quickly just in the news and notes from non-playoff teams is emily castengay's name she is the uh former agent of alexis uh lafreniere now assistant gm in vancouver her name came up as a potential flyers general manager candidate so she could be moving up very very quickly within the nhl uh interesting i mean listen they're going to be looking at a whole bunch of people in philadelphia as they should it could even be Danny Breer who's the interim general general manager but it's going
Starting point is 01:57:18 to be fascinating to see the difference between because they've got an incoming president because remember the last guy just resigned who hired Breer by the way they've got Bill Barber Bobby Clark and Paul Holmgren all former players who are supposed to be consultants who are fighting for power together there I don't know uh I don't know who the next general manager of the Flyers is But I know that whoever they are, they're going to have to be very good at managing complicated family dynamics. Well, and worth mentioning, Emily Castonguay is at the center of the whole Rachel Dory thing. I think that's extremely relevant. It's currently unresolved.
Starting point is 01:57:54 And obviously, she's been on this show, but it's relevant information. I certainly agree with that. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see, but I just figured we'll bring that up because sometimes it's interesting to take a look outside of the playoffs. Sometimes. Should we do the press conference? Sure. The Presser S.D.P.
Starting point is 01:58:15 The Steve Dangle Press Conference Does kombucha have caffeine? I don't think so It's just fermented vegetables, isn't it? I don't know I feel so healthy It's probably not even real I have an update on Yellow Shirt Guy
Starting point is 01:58:31 Which would be the most Most obvious Update you've ever heard oh for my buddy that was sitting uh behind him okay he was drunk uh my buddy says uh you can also say on the pod that yellow shirt guy and his buddy were absolute grinders and maybe had 30 beers each before they got ejected i'm totally shocked by that sorry i said that jokingly i didn't mean to blow that sorry yes your buddy's a legend tell him tell him from me shout out Let's shout out Taun.
Starting point is 01:59:06 Wow. Taun knows. Taun's a riot. Taun's a good time. He's Jesse's wildest friend. The guy's wild. Oh, yeah. Out of control.
Starting point is 01:59:15 Absolute grinder in himself. Yeah, Taun probably fed them the beers. He was probably having them too. 30 beers is a mortgage payment. He ordered them for him. Yeah, at Scotiabank? Anyways. Fucking yellow shirt guy.
Starting point is 01:59:30 Good for him. Let me get to this. I mean also don't shake the glass This is from This is Colin How does billionaire Adam Wilde feel Now that he has joined the rest of the peasants On Twitter with no blue checkmark
Starting point is 01:59:46 Fine You know I'll be honest with you The checkmark didn't really get you anything No Under Jack or under Elon it really didn't matter You got the checkmark and it's like Wow now you have All your replies you've got your reply replies
Starting point is 02:00:01 and then you've got notifications for people who are verified that tweeted at you. That's it. That's all I can say. I'll say it like a snob. So I have a lot of friends in media who also had a blue checkmark. And under my mentions, it allowed me to sort by verified. And I would use that sometimes because I get so many mentions that all miss tweets from people I know.
Starting point is 02:00:27 But I know a lot of people who were verified. So, you know, sometimes... easier way to see if your friends were tweeting you yeah i would see a tweet like i would miss a lot of your tweets and then i would turn on verified and it'd be like oh there's adam and jesse was always hanging around with the plebs yeah jesse yeah you didn't have a blue check mark never have never will it's weird fuck you guys there you go that's fair but that's fair the the i a term that that crept into the discourse that i always found amusing was legacy verified like i inherited the blue check mark through nepotism or something like that like
Starting point is 02:01:04 no the company i work for went out and got all its like on-air talent on-air talent like faces uh blue check mark because they didn't want people to impersonate that's the whole point of verification the whole point of the yeah it's in the word to verify this is a public figure this is that that that new york government agency thing was fucking hilarious i've never seen it so there's a tweet from uh the new york uh governor's account like the city of new york's account they're like this is the official new york twitter account uh you can see that by link this is the link to our website where we confirm that this is the real account and the first reply with as many retweets and followers and everything is no this is the real new york
Starting point is 02:01:52 and they all they've done is changed a couple a couple words in their handle and they have the exact same profile picture and you wouldn't be able to tell like mister click it mr booth is gonna have a fucking field day like you can you believe they can damage that guy's gonna be able to do now oh my you're gonna get boothed hard oh you know what on second thought uh maybe this is great i'm very much looking forward to this on second thought maybe this rules really fucking hard no but there's a mess right now like yeah i understand uh i mean so we had twitter blue for on the sdpn account yeah because uh so you can only post videos up to two two minutes and 20 seconds unless you had um twitter blue so we had that a long time for so we could post
Starting point is 02:02:35 longer video long form videos and we made the decision to get rid of it not as an fu to elon but because uh we are running a business and we're like is this even worth it and after civil debate we came to no yeah because it was like people who have expertise in this field literally the question to that i had for justin was like does this prevent us from doing what that account is there for which is showing people what content is happening today on our channel right does it help us promote with twitter blue he's like honestly no and i was like okay then let's get rid of it And it's interesting. I don't know how we got around this, but we were technically supposed to be a gold checkmark because we're an organization.
Starting point is 02:03:20 And organizations have to pay $1,000 a month. No, we never applied for organization. I know, but they're starting to come for that, though. They're trying to hunt down people? Yeah, they're trying to find the people under the personal. What are you doing? Well, I mean, you look at the Leafs. The Leafs pay for it.
Starting point is 02:03:36 You're the Toronto Maple Leafs. You could see maybe why they would. right like we don't fucking need that are you kidding me no and they can pay for all their individual players because it might be worth it to an organization that large yeah you don't want someone going hey i'm john tavarez donate to the john tavarez foundation right and then you flood money into this organization and it's just some dude i i have a theory and we were talking about it before the show and i think what makes me feel good about the theory is jesse agrees is i don't agree i don't know what you're talking about i i said that i think that this is just
Starting point is 02:04:08 I think this is just his way of just tanking the website because he wants to get rid of it. I think he wants to tank it. He's using so much money. To be an advertiser, you now have to subscribe to Twitter Blue or Twitter organizations. So if you want to even advertise on the platform, you have to pay just to be on it.
Starting point is 02:04:26 So I got to pay to buy something from you? What are you, Costco? Exactly. And LeBron and Stephen King both said they were not going to keep their blue check marks and Elon left it to them as like a way of trolling them. so they don't pay but they still have blue check marks and what he said to uh uh stephen king was namaste like oh i'm doing such a kind act for you i'm sorry you don't get to be a belligerent
Starting point is 02:04:48 asshole to absolutely everybody you encounter and then pretend to be cool you sorry that's why he's doing it he's trolling them because they don't like him yeah i think he's no i think it really bothers him that people don't like him well that's why i think he wants the website gone right it's the only place think about it as a billionaire your entire circle only you can do that well okay my entire circle is on my payroll including my family everybody is relying on my money to support them maryland so at a certain point yeah sorry maryland uh at a certain point you get so rich that like you don't have anybody around you who can criticize you without fear of losing the income stream so twitter is the only place where these guys actually get it in their
Starting point is 02:05:34 face and and if elon were intelligent in this in this era and i'm not saying that he's not smart in other areas i think a lot of geniuses through history have been absolutely horrible people uh uh they have look up thomas edison uh but but uh it was a bruins fan with yeah definitely that fucker no he's a terrible thomas edison's a terrible person yeah bruins fan but created the light bulb so um but with with this guy i think this is the only place where he gets criticism legitimate or not leveled his way at all ever so it's jarring for him when he goes online and sees people saying stuff about him he's like this can't be true none of my friends say this who i pay you did say that before the show i did agree with that thank you jesse yes
Starting point is 02:06:15 no i think that i think it's a very good point you know what is this the emperor's new clothes or whatever well i being a billionaire i can relate to it the only place i i i get it is twitter or youtube yeah you know my bill i'm a billionaire you guys give it to me we're very kind to adam rich as hell i don't know what you're rich af wild uh yeah i don't want it i don't need it yeah yeah if you're curious about uh which one is mine it's the one with over 200 000 followers but you can buy followers oh well then i'm gonna start a steve dangle fake account well then nothing matters and then when nothing matters and like if that's gonna gum up the works for me then it's not going to be worth it for me to be on there and then i'm going to abandon the platform
Starting point is 02:06:56 and others are going to abandon the platform and then it'll just be a fucking ghost town that you sunk billions of dollars into if you are what are we doing next we all going uh where are we going well everybody was like mastodon and i looked at it i was like this looks like shit no one's using this something's gonna somebody somebody smart who is wants to make a lot of money is going to come up with a platform that's eerily similar and uh just people go over and then it'll get Twitter, question mark? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tweet, tweet, tweeter.
Starting point is 02:07:23 Parody Twitter? And what'll happen is it'll get politicized. You'll have one group of people on one and one group of people on the other. On the left, he's all beware. On the right, he's all be on the other side. What the fuck was that? That's the left and right yelling at each other. And then Ron DeSantis is going to get in a cage match with AOC on Monday Night Raw.
Starting point is 02:07:48 Coming to America. And you know what would be hilarious? It would be like Twitter versus whatever this new app is. And people on the new app will be subtweeting about people on Twitter. But they won't be able to read it because they're not on it. I was imagining a wrestling promo from Ron DeSantis. If you're not a coward, get your ass down to this ring right now, Mickey Mouse. I want a big piece of you.
Starting point is 02:08:14 He wants to get into a fist fight with Mickey Mouse. Yeah, well, with Disney for sure. And then Goofy comes and hits him with a steel chair. It's a little bit funny, you know, as a governor, it's a little bit funny that he's going after the biggest corporation in his state. That's usually rare. How do you make absurdist comedy? I don't know.
Starting point is 02:08:30 Let's not get into this. What's the next question, Jess? Sorry for that whole road. Wow. You were asking about the blue check mark. All right, let's end the show. It's now a political statement, by the way, these blue check marks do, which I think is bizarre.
Starting point is 02:08:42 If people choose to pay for Twitter, so be it. I don't think it says anything about their political persuasion. No. Some people find it useful. Sure, and let them. Use tools that you find useful. I don't find it useful, so I won't. Jesse, it's not a political statement.
Starting point is 02:08:57 This is from Glenn C81. We can end it on this. He's asking for a favor from you, Stephen Dangle. Glenn, with the New Jersey Devils down 2-0 in the series against the New York Rangers, can Steve Dangle give a pep talk to the Rangers fans in Ken Danico's voice? To Rangers fans?
Starting point is 02:09:19 Sorry, to Devils fans. You're winning. Keep it up. We need a Ken Danico Devils pep talk. Let's go. On how to get back into the series. Now listen, Devils Nation. I think there's a misconception about the New Jersey Devils that I played for.
Starting point is 02:09:39 My name is Ken Danico of the New Jersey Devils. I think the misconception is that when we won those Stanley Cups, it was easy. I can assure you they were all long series. They were all long playoff runs. You've got to grit. You've got to grind. You've got to want it more than the other guys. If you're going to get it, you've got to want it more than the other guys.
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