The Taproot Podcast - 🧠Brain Mapping and Neurostimulation Interview with Peak Neuroscience

Episode Date: May 28, 2022

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Hey, it's Joel Blackstock with Taproot Therapy Collective and I'm here with Dr. J of Peak Neuroscience. So they're a newer practice that's in town and I was really interested in their approach because they're doing a different kind of neurofeedback than the older technology that's around that mixes neurostimulation with neurofeedback and that's as much as I understand about it so Jay if you want to kind of explain how that process works to trauma and some other stuff to do exactly exactly well we learned about 20 years ago that that the brain copies frequencies. And so if you can present frequencies to the brain, for example, in the form of a very gentle EMF.

What's an EMF? Electromagnetic field. Okay. Same EMF that comes out of your devices, comes out of the phone, comes out of the lamps, comes out of power lines. But the brain will follow these frequencies. And then after a matter of minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, the brain begins to oscillate or begins to function at those frequencies. So you're adjusting the natural kind of wavelength of the brain?

That's right. If you can present the brain with frequencies that it needs to be making more of, then you can help the person feel more like themselves more of the time. So we start out by doing a quantitative EEG measurement. People call them brain maps. We call them cues. Can you look at it? Is it something that shows you where the things are going or is it more data? Well, yeah, you get the EEG, person sits still,

and we take roughly a five-minute measure with the eyes open, and again, five-minute measure with the eyes closed. Is that like an active MRI? What's the technology that's making them act? We're looking at a person's brain waves. Okay. So whenever the brain does anything, which is all the time, then the brain generates electricity and it just comes off the scalp.

We call them brain waves, but it's just electrical current that the brain's generating. And if you can capture that, if you can measure what's coming off the head, then you can see what various brain off the head, then you can see what various brain regions are doing in real time. Probably EEG is the best imaging technique with the best temporal resolution in terms of timing, in terms of what's happening when. MRI is very good for spatial resolution. Detail over a long time.

Right, looking at spatial structures. EEG is probably the best thing going to look at timing of when something is happening. Okay. It's relatively cheap, you don't need a lot of equipment. And that's the same thing in like a biofeedback session where you're moving the spaceship with your mind wave or looking at it. Right, that's kind of old school but yeah same same thing same technology that's right newer but that's right that's right so we do a full full cap uh 19 to 21 electrodes on the top of the scalp and so you can you can measure uh measure the brain in some good detail and see what surface regions are doing as well as subcortical regions. So you can find out pretty quickly what regions of the brain might be contributing to a person's experience.

So if we see somebody with some anxiety about them, then we do a quantitative EEG and we do this brain mapping and you get a series of pictures created and you can see how much of various wavelengths, I know this has kind of creeped a lot of people, you know, delta or theta or alpha or beta, how much of each of those speeds that the brain's generating and where, then you can see what regions need to be retrained or help to get back to the genes help them help them to learn learn to regulate themselves and people can feel feel better once the brain learns to get out of its own way and to regulate itself so um and it's interesting because i've seen research too that you know when you go to

therapy or you do yoga or you do kind of mindfulness practice that those frequencies start to change but this is a machine that's kind of changing the frequencies naturally teaching the brain directly how to emulate a frequency instead of you know the behavior changing and then that regulating the frequency so it may be faster and more precise. It's much faster if we so so the the metaphor that I typically want to meet with clients and families. When we say the word neurotherapy, that's an umbrella term meaning that's a mixture of neurostimulation and neurofeedback. So neurostimulation, we call it neurostim, when we're stimming the brain

gently to entrain and teach the brain how to regulate that the brain really can't resist doing. So you stem the brain and it gently follows the Pied Piper. So if we find out that a person with anxiety is making too little of a waveform that we call delta, then you can stem with delta, which is a certain wavelength range. And so while they sit there beside you in the chair, now they're making more delta. And it'll last that way for maybe 15 hours or so, then begin to fade away. Over sessions, over presentations, the brain does learn to become entrained to keep that,

to continue to fire that way long after the stem is worn off. So then you can go behind it and operantly condition with the neurofeedback, reward the brain for continuing to function that way. How do you reward it? Give it a treat? With that standard neurofeedback. So it's like targeting a reward center and so the brain learns this is good, I should do this more.

Right, exactly. It's kind of like training a cat. I was going to say, it's kind of like training a dog. Can you punish it? No. Like if I want to teach a dog how to roll over, I'm training a brain. I speak in metaphors a lot. It's just kind of how my mind works.

But when I'm working with a family- Better than speaking in a spreadsheet. I suppose. You don't want to get too lost in the science of it. Yes. I might be speaking with families and say, so I'm going to teach a dog how to roll over. Then I gently and kindly roll the dog over with my own hands to where it can't stop me. But I'm very gentle with the dog. I'm rolling over. So I'm stimming it. I'm rolling it over that it can't resist me. And then I gentle with the dog. I'm rolling it over. So I'm stimming it.

I'm rolling it over that it can't resist me. And then I say, good dog, and give it a Scooby snack. So you stim it to make it acquiesce to what you want it to do. Then you reward it to make the neurons want to keep doing that long after the stims run off. So adding the neurostimulation to the neurofeedback, which has been around for decades and it works, but neurofeedback by itself, it's just slow. Now it does work.

It's not targeted. You're not training a specific place. You're just kind of washing the whole brain with something where you guys can pick out what the unique needs of an individual is. That actually used to be true, but even with neurofeedback, you can target certain regions, cortical and subcortical, but it's just hard to get to the finish line because it's just a slow therapy. It does work. No one's hurting anybody by doing neurofeedback. It's just slow.

Sure. But if you can start out by priming the brain with stimulation, making the brain different, and then going back behind it and rewarding it for being different and lock in those changes, you can cut down the number of sessions and over half. So you can help people quicker and they begin to feel better quicker. And it doesn't take as much resource and time and just resources, which we're all limited. So it's a really good model. Do you see therapy being a part of that? Like if somebody working on therapy, does that help them also do the behavioral or the have the insight that helps them change

absolutely absolutely in fact I'm a licensed psychologist in Alabama and in Texas in my in my debt Dallas office I frequently can commonly do psychotherapy while they're receiving their neuro what style or mode of psychotherapy do you prefer I'd like, um, um, Not that it has to be in one category, we're very integrated. Whatever is data supported for the person's condition. Sure. But I commonly use person-centered, I like, I'm finding that milieu therapy is working well for me.

Maybe I'm changing, maybe my personality is changing and I'm finding that that's helping people move. But during the therapy, during the talk therapy, an individual sitting there getting their neurostimulation because it's quite a passive modality. The person doesn't have to get into a state. I'm not asking them to concentrate.

There's no flooding or re-experiencing. There's not. Other than just sitting there in the chair making sure the chair doesn't hit the ceiling, that's about all that I ask of them. Yeah. And so we're doing counseling and with the kiddos that I see, by the way I I do have a stuttering disorder, which I am treating myself with, with some neuro stem. It seems to be a supplementary motor cortex inefficiency issue. And so, so anyway, we're making head grows in terms of disclerency also. Yeah.

And you're probably learning a lot too, as you treat different kinds of people because the machines are able to be reprogrammed. The knowledge, I've never known research to go this fast. I come from a research program back in my grad school days and research, you can set your Eon clock by the rate at which white papers come out. Things are moving much more quickly these days yeah I'm sorry but you can edit this I distracted myself I got off what was I answering I think you did resolve the I do doing counseling or psychotherapy while someone is getting their stimulation when I do counsel the

younger crowd oftentimes we're we're doing something we're doing counseling while they're getting their neuro and they don't necessarily have to know that I'm counseling them sure right we're just talking we're just shooting the breeze and it is it is it is beneficial to do talk therapy concomitantly with neuro therapy. I tell families if I have the most regulated brain known to mankind I can still be disagreeable if I want to be. I can still be a pill even though my brain is working quite well and very efficiently. So if I have thinking

errors, honestly a lot of people, maybe all of us have thinking errors. Some cause us more problems than other errors cause us. So we still have to do the psychological work to enhance our functionality or the way that we feel. So maybe think about brain training as working on the hardware. You still have to work on the software. I have to go through my thinking distortions and iron out how I do things. Sure. I think that's pretty technical and it's helping therapists understand how to use it and what's going on. But I mean if I'm a patient like one you know what disorders does this treat what can I come in with I mean to you know what is the process and what is it what does it feel like you know what are the

kind of things that I had noticed yeah and then for I think I'm counting wrong three you know three like what is the what is the cost and it is insurance cover this is it something that right right, right. I've got a question stacking there. Yeah, I think all that's great. Those are questions that I'll be asking too if I was a client wanting to come in for a consultation. Brain training or neuro-therapy, it can help quite a wide array of different presentations. Maybe the limiting factor is the training of the individual. It can do quite a bit, but I need to make sure that I'm trained to make it do what I'm purporting that I want it to do. Sure.

So you're learning that you're programming the machine to treat more disorders as you learn about them. Correct. Correct. For example, seizure disorder. It works quite well. machine to treat more disorders as you learn about them correct correct for for example seizure disorder it works quite well what quite well well for that but not with me okay I'm not trained in that way sure it does a lot you just have to be trained and know it knowing what you're doing and you've got multiple clinics there's ones in Texas you can take the data and all that.

Absolutely. So what are the ones that you treat at Peak Neuroscience? Largely, I've seen a lot of anxiety, a lot of PTSD. So a lot of anxiety, a lot of depression, autism, learning differences, speech disfluencies. I guess those are the big five. And there's progress with autism in Europe? No question. No question. Autism usually, again not to get so technical, as we learn more about conditions and we know more about how to go about helping to address it again so I maybe should cut this out man I was gonna go

technical we don't need to do that but but yeah so so people people contending with with you know common things that a lot of society contends with anxiety depression sure that your things are things are things are not good right now and and so when we when we start out by having a quantitative EEG done get those series of brain maps recorded and seeing what brain regions are contributing to the person's difficulties then then we make a treatment plan as to how to go about targeting those regions helping them become more active if they're not active enough or train them to become less active if they're too active and

then we begin to schedule sessions sessions tend to be typical 40-45 minutes. Sessions do work better if you can group them. Doing them once a week is about as seldom as you'd want to do them. It's just harder for the brain to really get the knack of what it's being taught what to do. But if you can group them, if you can do two a week or three a week just for a little bit, if you can front load it and get the brain driving and changing, that tends to be how we get the best outcomes, certainly the fastest outcomes. So if you can front load it and then maybe later on back off if resources and timing and all that, call for that, then that's how we get people to move really well.

So dissociation or addiction? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And some conditions call for more psychotherapy than others. If it's a noncomplicated ADHD, which we see plenty of, I didn't say it a minute ago, then I don't necessarily do counseling with that unless you know we're just cultivating coping mechanisms and cultivating

supports but most of who we see if they don't already have a dedicated counselor then I do counseling at the same time sure if they do have a dedicated counselor they're happy with that individual, then we're very pleased to simply stick with, bring training, and just maybe say some wise things here or there to not duplicate services or muddy the waters. But yeah, we try to meet the need as it is it presents well and i think the way that i think of it um which you know you have more of a science backup than i do so this is more me looking maybe at the phenomenology of what it feels like in the room but it seems like people have kind of genes

that determine the way that the trauma is expressed you know one person may be addictive or obsessive or avoidant or dissociate or psychotic but the trauma is kind of the fuel that is making those disorders more so you don't you don't want to promise people like you can come down with medication or something because there's not not some conditions like have to be managed with medication but i do see like a lot of times when you get the limbic dysregulation, the trauma that's fueling the genetic expression down and the brain kind of calms down, you know, to for lack of a better word than the symptom that they're bringing in needs less medication to regulate it and there's less side effects when you're on less medication. And yes, yes. I mean, just a lot. Do you all see that happen? Commonly, commonly. And

I'm glad you pointed that out that, you know, you don't want to say something is when it is not. So you don't want to over-speak and over-promise. But commonly, people are able to titrate down off of whatever medication regimen that they're on. Sure. And most people that we see are taking something, which is fine. But at around the 12 session mark, 15 session mark, they will likely find that they're feeling overmedicated. Just because, but the progress that their brain has made.

I don't ever mention it. It's like people just say, I told my psychiatrist that this is kind of too much, and then it came down, and I noticed that happening after there's a big movement with brain spotting. You see there's kind of the pop and the integration, and then the person starts feeling better, and then all of a sudden the medication is like too much. Yes, yes. And so it is nothing magical about these numbers, but it's around the 15-session mark

that we pull on the prescriber and say, when's a safe time to take a little risk and titrate down a small step? When they get to that over-medicated type state. But it's really not pie in the sky to think about people getting off their psychotropics. So is what y'all are doing, is that different than like transcranial stimulation? I see some of those studies getting fired up around town and you know nationally there's big pushes of marketing

I'm seeing so it's kind of cranial stimulator man. I don't know. Yeah Magnetic resonance something it's it's very similar. It's actually the same technology the same same EMF but transcranial magnetic stimulation uses very strong presentations of those fields. And TMS has been shown to help many people with treatment-resistant depression and anxiety. It really has helped people. But we're finding from the white papers coming out of neurology and other hard sciences that neurons perform more poorly with stronger stimulation.

So you want to use the smallest amount of stimulation and rewarding the brain is a way to use less stimulation. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's correct. That's exactly right. And that's in the client's best interest. Neurons perform better with just a gentle... Does my LNG get worn down when you're kind of bombarding it with... I can't speak to that.

I'm just wondering what the performance, what changes... I can't speak to that, though. But I do know that neurostostimulation as we're using it is a very gentle entrainment you're just gently teaching the brain to get back to the genes and you know over time we do acquire some maladaptive responding yeah you know we can acquire some depression we can acquire some maladaptive emotionality the limbic system can can accidentally learn to get hot. Or from neonatal teratogens, you're just born with a very hot limbic system.

Is that a dinosaur? Right. But not the kind with wings. The lizard brain. Right, right. But if we use the stimulation, I keep saying the word gentle. I mean, that's what it is. Just a kiss of energy.

Not to overwhelm the neurons. Not to make them fire. We're not making them fire, which I believe TMS makes them fire. We don't provide that strength. It's much weaker, and we gently guide the neurons to be able to fire when they're appropriately told to fire. So it's more of a teaching. It sounds like it might be beneficial for people who, you know,

exposure-type therapies or even like a IV ketamine or or ketamine where you're re-experiencing trauma and dissociating if somebody has very low ability to tolerate negative stimulus or emotion then that would be a more gentle way to do it if that if you know being hooked up to this thing for an hour is scary then the neurofeedback is a good way to... Right, right. It would be, it would be, it would be de-escalating. Yeah. And you mentioned trauma, you know, when we look at, look at a person's brain mapping, there are different markers, and there's a common marker that we see in the case of trauma. And so when we see certain things, then we know to probe about trauma.

It's not a one-to-one, you don't assume, but when I see certain things, I know that I'm going to ask about trauma and see what might or might not have happened. You had repressed memories be activated or people start to realize oh yeah there's a car wreck or this but there's an older trauma before that that I wasn't really thinking was the issue. Did you see that happen during your review Ben? Absolutely. Yeah absolutely. The same as brain spot. Vessel, Vendor Culk, The Body Keeps the score, start people off with that book. Yeah. It's, if the mouth isn't talking about something, the body is. Yeah. We learn, you know, the subcortical brain, like, before we're thinking in language or thinking temporally in time or any of those kind of ego, you know, constructs.

I mean, it has learned how to feel emotion, you know. The baby that has to, like, yell to get its whole body tight to get mom to come, you has learned how to feel emotion. You know, the baby that has to like yell, but you get its whole body tight to get mom to come, you know, feed me or something has a different response pretty early to vulnerability and need than a baby that's just like, and you know, it gets doted on. And so, you know, there's not a panic like, Oh no, I've got to get all of this adrenaline energy and maybe vulnerability is bad. So I need to get angry when I have an emotional need, or maybe I need um you know hide it that this isn't that you know there's that that stuff is in the posture of people you know yeah so if you're not using that if you're just kind of talking for a long

time you know you can stay in psychoanalysis and talk about like why i smoke cigarettes because mom did this but i'm still smoking cigarette on the couch you know for 20 years or something so yeah it sounds like it's it's the trauma markers are they like mainly supportable brain or it is mainly uh uh yeah well regions that um that synthesize um uh processing from different modalities into a singular install into a singular experience yeah yeah uh you know so the current parts of self being understood yes yes the brain the brain has has a closet where it throws garbage into yeah and so if you can gently uh open that closet door and allow the stuff that that the brain has been keeping away from its human down below

to keep you having a good day, to allow you to stay functional, open that closet door and it's not pleasant, but to do the processing... You have to neurally re-experience it to get it out from under your life, though. Oftentimes you do. You do. And if you don't, then it's going to find its way to the surface intermittently. Sure. And make a person present as being unstable. So to really put it hidden or sort of covered up memories or experiences

to where they no longer have the capacity to injure you, then that's where we want to take people. If you don't process them, then those memories still are able to injure you. Yeah. And those memories are yours. So much of our life becomes a way of avoiding those places that... No question. Intellectually, maybe I know I can avoid being... I can survive being alone or being

afraid or something, but emotionally you don't. And so you learn to drink or you learn to date or you learn to work or there's these ways of avoiding that emotional space. And it impacts all of life after that. Sorry, I made it cut you off. No, no. There's the two metaphors that I kind of like. Like one of them, because I'm trying to explain to people the difference and to come out with some medicine to make sure they need to get where they need to go. It's like, one, if you have an allergy to a cat, every time you're around a cat,

you can take Benadryl and then maybe you're kind of drowsy or whatever but you're you're not your nose isn't running and all that stuff you have to take the benadryl every time you know you go do allergy shots and then doing allergy shot you build up an immunity to it so treating the trauma versus medicating the anxiety you know there's two different directions to do that and the other one i think cognitive therapy is kind of teaching people to sail a boat you know it's like okay yeah you gotta put the sail up here you've got to tie this kind of knot whatever um but that limbic you know system that subcortical brain when the ocean is roiling and it's the perfect storm i mean there are some things that you cannot cognitively change intellectually you've got to go down and still you're going to get knocked over and it's

re-traumatizing to tell people that they can't you know to be like no but if you eat the vegetables if you snap the rubber and tell the anxiety to stop if you you know do these things and people get all revved up and then they go out and then all of a sudden they still have the emotional explosion or they still have the panic and you know just selling somebody that's irrational so don't do it it doesn't work you know so you have to go down and use something that's going to calm that ocean and you can you can still you know you know knowing how to sell a boat is helpful but you know you also need to have a little bit of control over the weather to deliver and when and when the experience that some of a gun my boat my boat is flipped over now there's another failed therapy in their history and now it's even more ingrained that well if my

trauma didn't feel like a yes so so maybe this thing will never change because there's another episode so maybe I'm stuck with this for the duration sure it's horrible have you have you seen on the brain maps brain spying or EMDR or any other kind of therapy change stuff have you ever looked at that that's me curious if you ever had like a brain spotting patient or an EMDR patient where the brain map changes or you can see what it's doing on the outside of somebody's brain? I'd be interested to see what's happening. Actually one, I wish I had more examples, but I was working with one individual with some trauma history and did some it's a nervous stamina feedback with me and for four reasons beyond mine and the famous control they had to

discontinue that and then begin to do some EMDR mm-hmm with it with a good EMDR therapist and they're not all equal by the way yeah and then then we are is kind of more left up to the therapist you need some skills where brain spotting I think like that there when it's really working. No one's talking, you know the first year when it's really working It doesn't matter what the therapist conceptualization is because they've taken you to this place. So a little bit more foolproof Yeah, yeah This person's person's EMDR therapy after after after the appropriate number of sessions I was able to go back and then

do another brick brain map and the brain had changed the brain hadn't had normalized to a certain certain extent which which does drive home the point that when a person's doing talk therapy, you are changing the brain. Yeah. And which underscores why talk therapy is a nice concomitant to neurotherapy. Neurotherapy expedites the brain change and allows talk therapy to grow some teeth and to really begin to help a person. So we're just changing the brain first that the talk therapy on its own was going to do eventually. Yeah.

And so, yeah, it's a really nice combination. So what is the cost? I mean, I know ketamine is pretty expensive. It's helpful, but it's cost prohibitive for people. Brain spotting, if the therapist takes insurance, could be zero or $30 copay, out of pocket, it's more um what are you looking at if you want to do neurofeedback neurofeedback uh of course all the standard caveats depends on where you are yeah you know birmingham wouldn't be the same as dallas and uh generally uh one 120 to 150, certain regions 200 a session.

And then does insurance go back and reimburse for some of that? It is getting better. It is getting better. Do you know what Blue Cross in Alabama does? I mean, that's kind of what the majority of our patients have. I don't. Yeah.

You know, with me being a licensed psychologist, if I'm doing counseling, then I can build that counseling code. Yeah. If that's legitimately what I'm doing counseling, then I can build that counseling code. If that's legitimately what I'm doing, then I can build that. But doing neurotherapy by itself, that's going to be out of pocket on the front end. And then insurance does partially repay. Well, I know with ketamine, they pay nothing. And usually those are around $400 or $500 a session.

So $125 a session is a little bit less than that. Right, right. And typical sessions, people do ask you how many sessions might it take. And, of course, there's no way to not give a caveat-laden answer to that. You just don't know. But between $20 and $40, $20 and 40 20 is kind of what we say I have I have completed at at 12 before that's not common I would not count on that that person was sensitive to the stimulation and they moved quicker and they completed quicker but I really wouldn't expect for a person

to meet their clinical goals much sooner than 20. If it's something developmental, to where the genes just are what they are, you can still rewire, you can still help the brain balance and create the synapses that need to be created. It just takes longer to do that from scratch. But getting the brain back to the genes, like with anxiety or with depression, that's not that hard.

It's a matter of doing it for a number of sessions sufficient to make that rewire be permanent. Once the brain labels a synapse as being used, then it leaves it alone. So okay, you can stay. If the brain says, you're not being used very often, I'm going to unplug you and use you over here because we need some neurons over here. So once the person- It's really good at budgeting energy. I mean, that's kind of what- It's very redundant. Yeah. It's a genius in terms of where it's going to spend its money.

But the trick with neurotherapy is you need to do it long enough to make it stay. People feel better pretty quickly. But it's not permanent until you complete that. It may not. It may not. You'll be feeling a lot differently by the 10th session, a lot differently. And resources are limited and who's not going to be looking at expediting things. But if you quit too early, then it may or may not be permanent. So you need to do it, that's why we say 20 to 50, so that when you discontinue, that rewire is permanent.

The training will hold. And I don't want to speak too large. You don't have to answer the question. I'm sorry. I don't want to speak too largely, saying the word permanent. Sure. But it appears to be. Yeah. If a person can do the training to where once the stimulation is no longer being presented, then that training holds.

I used to bring people back about a year after we discontinued just to do another QEG, just to check in to see where the brain's at. I don't do that anymore. People are right where they left off if they can complete. Which, honestly, I don't mean to be coy about that. Most people do. They put the effort in on the front end, and they want to complete.

They want to feel better. So, yeah, I don't bring people back I do I did plenty of that people do come back and say let's just do a check and let's see how the brains how it's all holding but that's not a part of my regimen wait what is a decisive identity disorder look like on a brain map have you seen any of those cases I will count kind of wear a lot of hats but decisive disorders are my like specialty so. It's um that's that's harder to see yeah you know we can we can see depression really easily. I imagine the fragmentation would be really advanced. It's it's um that's a much longer answer than probably I have time to get into. Sure but it's I'd love to see

the brain maps of different disorders or different diagnoses and see what the commonalities there that'd be fascinating. I have hypotheses, but I'd like to see what they look like. Sure, sure. Yeah, and there are profiles. It's not a one-to-one. I know that you're not saying that there's a one-to-one, but there are some profiles. You can look at the series of maps and be, you know, we're not soothsayers.

We're not waving, we're not holding crystals and blowing on rabbit's feet. But you can see what the brain's telling you. The brain does not lie. And, you know, when I go through the brain map with a family, people come in and do the brain mapping, I analyze the data, write the report, then bring them in again and just go through the data. I'm just telling what the data suggests. It's a great feeling to be able to give a family some answers. That's a lot of what people want. Yeah.

They want validation. The diagnosis doesn't always answer that. I mean, a lot of people are like, I need to know what the diagnosis is, and you get it, and it's like that isn't really helpful. But, you know, something where you can point to specific areas and tell them what's happening maybe makes them feel more calm. To be able to say, here's your depression right there. There's your ADHD right here. There's the anxiety. This is what's happening yes he makes them feel more calm to be able to say here's your depression right there there's your ADHD right here

there's things this is what's happening your people feel validated you know they're like I knew I wasn't making this up I knew this wasn't just in my head I knew yeah yeah but they feel like like like they've been let off the hook mm-hmm that that they don't need to keep on trying to convince people in their family that they feel differently or that they don't feel good. When they can hear me essentially describe them without knowing the ins and outs of them, I'm just looking at the data. Data suggests this. And with this being this way, I would wonder what your sleep is like and i wonder just kind of telling them what the data suggests uh and then hearing the family saying so so where did you read my history

before we had this meeting uh and not that you're trying to do any any you're not trying to impress anybody but but just just interpreting the data, it just lets people off the hook. Sure. They don't have to keep trying to convince people as to how they don't feel well. It's fascinating stuff. I'd love to see that. I guess if people want to find you in Birmingham or Dallas area, what do we do?

Just search Pete Neuroscience? That's right. PeteNeuroscience.com. We're actually doing some website work right now. You'll see our Dallas clinic and our Birmingham clinic. Just go to PeteNeuroscience.com. Okay. Is there anything that we don't get to that is relevant or important that people should

know before they come in? I think we hit on most of what people can probably digest from the video. Sure. Well, if we ever have time for a part two or something, I'm sure people will be interested to see some of the brain mass. That'd be great, yeah. For more resources about psychology and trauma, please visit GetTherapyBirmingham.com. If you are in the Dallas or Birmingham, Alabama areas, you can check out PeakNeuroscience.com to find out more about Jay and his practice.