The Team House - Alexei Navalny's Death & Israel/Hamas | EYES ON | Ep. 7

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

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Welcome to another episode of Eyes On. I'm Andy Milburn, former Marine Infantry and Special Operations Officer. Now, co-hosting this program with Jason. Hello, my name is Jason Lyons. I'm a former Marine Corps enlisted and CIA officer. Love it here. And one of our co-host is Dee. We'll kick it over to you.

I don't know if I'm a call. Real quick. Yeah. Very quick question on editorial policy. I know Jack said that, you, You know, primacy is to enlisted personnel. We went through a no rank period for a while, but now I noticed ranks are back, front and center.

Yeah, isn't that interesting how that works? Just observing trends, that's all. Where do you see the ranks, though? Here? Like right now when we just did this? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I want to spice it up a little bit.

The anti-officer propaganda, too, in the background, in the comments, is building. I don't know what you're talking about. I got a thick skin. All right, Dee. Over to you. Yeah, that's not. That's totally Jack.

That's 100%. I'm throwing that thing on Jack, for sure. Thanks guys for being here. I'm the producer, D. Produced the Team House. Eyes on. I mean, things are still blowing up in the world, for sure. It's not exactly quiet.

But I guess the big news we didn't touch on was Alexander Navalny, winding up dead in Siberia. So that's probably a bit. Yeah, we were going to talk about that last week. Just, you know, he, and I'm not a Russian spotting expert. So, you know, I'll fire a few, the sparse bullets that I know, and then you guys build it on and amplify it. All right.

So, you know, Navoni for dummies started, when Putin was first elected president, coincidentally, Navalny started embarked on his path of opposition. You know, it was almost personal. In Putin's mind, it was personal. There's no, I mean, anyone who opposed Putin, it was personal. And he was consistent. And for a while there, and if you guys remember, but he had an extraordinary, extraordinarily large following.

It's interesting to watch how Putin took the gas out of that, out of the following. In fact, they got him released from prison one time a few years ago. Just the demonstrations were over Russia. I think a couple of them turned violent and the volume was released. But Putin, with the war, he has let out the balloon on all that support. So, you know, people in Russia now are either buckling down or they're leaving. It just doesn't, I mean, they, only if you saw in this is in serious media,

the economist reports, they just jailed a 75-year-old woman for five years for criticizing the war. I mean, this is not exaggeration. They have gone fucking lunatic. And so when Lavalny's wife comes back and says, hey, it was Novichok. I mean, that's not far-fetched. But the point is, it was a death sentence anyway, where they sent him, what was it called, the Arctic Wolf Prison? Yeah, yeah, three. It's about, so there's four thousand guys there? No, no, 440 in that kind of modern-day gulag. I didn't know how many in this particular prison,

but 600 of the more political prisoners, and they're given special treatment. And he was getting lots of, I mean, they knew who's going to die. He's getting lots of solitary and freezing conditions, his health was failing. It was a matter of time. I mean, it just seems that they did use another chart, that seems.

But they've got nothing. I mean, who's doing a damn autopsy? I mean, it's control the body and everything. I mean, it's, he was extraordinarily brave to go back. And I think, but I don't know that maybe he misjudged it too. I mean, I'm not criticizing his courage for going back. And I do believe, you know, what he said at the time is kind of similar to to Muhammad Ali. You remember when Muhammad Ali said he wasn't going to go to Vietnam?

But he didn't take off for Canada or anything. He paid the price, right? And that was kind of, you know, Navalny's going to be, if he, He's rolling in his grave because I just, you know, compared him to a boxer. But it's, you know, listening to him speak, you know, he's like, hey, right or wrong, my country. I make myself irrelevant if I stay overseas and if I go back, whether they imprison me or not, whether they call me or not, the fight continues. And I'm a focus point. So, I mean, tremendous.

Go ahead, man. No, I think that. Yeah, I'm, yeah, I've told you. you know, fairly not a lot, you know, I mean, if you had one of these Russian, one of the, oh gosh, I can't remember the name of the thing tank, but they'll go into great detail. Yeah. I lose track of that, you know. I mean, I remember Navalny, like, came on my radar when he did that video about Putin's like

one billion dollar Dasha, like down on the Black Sea or wherever it is. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was the beginning of the end, apparently. Yeah, that was huge. It did huge numbers. I think it has like 120 million views on YouTube. Like it really pushed them into like the world spotlight. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, but also the other thing that keeps creeping is like let's not get it like let's not get it like let's not get a twisted like Levinvolny was some like liberal Western kind of politician. He was like a nationalist too. You know, he wasn't like exactly what you know, everybody's worse than Putin for sure. But like. Yeah. No, I mean, we tend to eulogize and make heroes of people who do show courage or exhibit great talent or simply dislike the people we dislike. Because we want to have a hero, right?

Right. If you notice that, Americans just love a hero. Remember working with foreign nation partners and we're always saying, he's our guy, man, he's awesome. And then he does something really fucked up and they're like, oh, my God, I can't believe he did that. And it's just like, dude, he is, he's been brought up to survive. Right. He doesn't get all this. Hey, I got this, you know, hey, I got all these buddies.

He's been, he's a pragmatist. And he doesn't like betraying your trust, but he will do it in the end. And do it because he's a pragmatist. And you can't take it personally, dude. But yes, we do that. We want to make heroes. Sorry, we've been done from that in the morning to that. And, but hey, Jay, what are we going to say?

Jay, what are we going to say? I'm sorry. I'm just going to say. from an intel intelligence officer perspective, you know, you may be friendly as hell with the asset, you know, with your, your asset or the person you're sitting across from, but you keep it in mind every single time that you are you're meeting with that person that, again, like you said, Andy, they're going to do whatever they have to do to survive. So it's on you to recruit that person every single time because who knows between the time that they said yes,

they're going to spy for you and the next time you see them who they've talked to maybe they got they were approached or a crisis of conscience and decided to go to security so it's it's a matter of trust but it's a matter of mistrust you know you just have to always keep that in mind you as soon as you let your guard down that's where you get screwed yeah expectations right yep we always we always name our expectations way too high yeah yeah yeah i think the key is in life is being able to manage your expectations. If you could do that, like, you're probably, you know, not in for a lot of hurt. If you can kind of manage what you're, you know, what you're thinking and stuff like that.

And that wishful thinking, we had a guest on the team house, Lewis Reid, a former officer. And he was, you invited them all? Yeah, can you imagine? No, CIA officer. Oh, okay. Yeah, not a military officer. Way more passive, aggressive. Yeah.

he was good though he was talking about like everyone's got wishful thinking they just think like the the best thing is going to have possible that could possibly occur is going to occur and nothing can go wrong and it's like when people are talking to me he's like i it's almost like baffling how like people in high places like you know you assume are smart and accomplished that they have like literal wish like they just hoping for the best is kind of crazy in the world of like geopolitics or intelligence even it's like yeah hope it's not even in the military yeah even in the military was it say best plan you know the best laid plans first shot right out the window so you just have to what's that yeah speaking of which so um deed the on it just

come well actually you know i was defer to you because you're the boss but you know the say the audience, I'm here in Israel, researching a book, and I don't really feel comfortable talking about things in depth while I'm still here, and of course it would bore you. But there's a couple of interesting things that have had me thinking today. One is this, the, there is an argument. I'm not saying, you know, that that that's my conclusion. I've just started research. But there was a strong argument here that the IDF got away from its core roots of war fighting, you know, that and it's all there's a war it's not as simple as yeah they fucked up in the second the second Lebanese war they had a lot of problems that I mean fucked up I mean and it was scavenly written about

the vina grad commission came out and it it felt a lot of serious lessons learned and the Israelis normally pay close attention to their lessons learned I mean much better than British or Americans because they can't afford to mess around they really you know, if you track things, they do. And the problem is that wars change. But my point here, because it does, I don't want to open this whole discussion about criticism what's going on DOD now, but it's, but here it is much the same sort of discussion. It is, it's not about diversity in all of that, but there's a feeling that they, that the military

has got increasingly complacent and that it has an effect. on doctrine and training and that the, you know, the really hard-edged wars are relegated to the past, you know, the war of 73, the war of 67. And now in Gaza, they're in a slug fest, they've lost 500 guys, 14,000 wounded, which the size is huge. Yes, they've got, you know, five brigades in the city. But still, that's, you know, in the, in the, the period of time, in the context of the 21st century, in the context of a small nation of 10 million people,

500 dudes in, you know, three or four months is life. And I know, I know your listeners are going to criticize me and say, what about the Palestinian side? I'm not, I'm not comparing numbers. I'm just saying. I'm talking about the IDF. And another, another IDF soldier told me, today, an officer actually said, you know, the IDF of 6 October. is not the IDF of 10 October. And it's very interesting, he then went on to explain what he meant. The other thing that I thought was really interesting,

this discussion of strategic surprise. And I spoke to an intelligence officer, a former intelligence officer, then became an MP here, a member of parliament in the Lucud Party. But she's got a particular spin on this. But she, her background is in Unit 80,200, which is, it is, I am told on par with NSA, obviously not, but doesn't have the scale of NSA.

I'm talking as far as skill and the Israelis go really hard out on recruiting kids from school. I mean, all the nerdy kids with thick glasses and these guys are, these guys are inducted into the unit. I mean, you guys know how good the Israelis are at that particular sort of technical intelligence collection, which is why everyone's scratching their heads. But this intelligence officer, an MP made a very, I thought, perceptive comment. She said, you know, a couple of things. She said, I'm an intelligence officer by profession, but I'm, we, we mistrain. Jason, don't get up in arms about this. I know you, I mean.

But we mistrain our people now. with they're useless. They still want to, they still think that if nothing, if they're collecting something that is not classified, it's useless. But the, you know,

she's not criticizing the talent. She's criticizing the doctrine, the fact that we still teach them this. And they, they, you know, they start to think. And you've seen this too.

The more effort you put into collecting information, right, the more valuable it seems. And you kind of blow off, things that are hitting you in the face and and confirmation bias right and so and we've seen this too i mean to some extent that played an element in 9-11 um but it you know a little bit little bit different our complacency was for other reasons um but uh here it was you know it was found this feeling of we've got a kind of gentler idf um the what i didn't realize is that um i you know it's

There's been a lot of problems here with the court, with tension between the military and the government over the judicial reform, military officers refusing to serve to include a pilot. This was before the war. Yeah, that shit's ended. A bunch of them were protesting, right? We're like not showing up. Yeah. Yes, it's a really, I mean, there's a lot to talk about here. I'm not going to talk about it all now, but it's a really interesting argument because we,

He in the states have bemoaned the fact that the military has become increasingly politicized. Now, I'm not going to argue either way, but I think there are some arguments in that towards that. I don't mean by senior officers. I meant that I military, like Marines, okay, always up on geopolitical events, you know, always eager to argue politics. No, right? In the past, it was all, you know what Marines talk about. but in but i'm you know it seems now people are becoming even in the military increasingly polarized and i think it's my stupid shit but you know i mean stuff that well these guys

right frankly don't even understand the issue right yeah yeah it's like yeah anyway that i find concerning so i mean that sort of thing happen in the id have yeah yeah i'd love to get jason's take i'm on like for me you know unit a 200 or mousseau or whoever, she didn't bet, whoever was supposed to, like, be on top of Gaza and Amaz. I mean,

they shit the bet pretty badly. Yeah. And, you know, America, even before 9-11, had a spectrum of, like, things to worry about and people, groups to worry about, a country's to worry about.

When you're Israel, it's like three things, really. Yeah. You know, it's Iran. It's Hezbollah. It's got, It's Hamas.

And, you know, for them to have such a big movement, a 2,500 guys without even hearing about or sniffing it or anything, you know, 8200's like the NSA, but smaller, you know, a boutique NSA. You would think, like, their siggint would pick up something like that. I mean, and I'm sure there were reports early on that there was some, like, you know, human stuff from Egypt or whatever that didn't go up the food chain and no one really mobilized. it's kind of crazy to me that they fell asleep at the wheel, to be honest. Yeah. And I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to shit on these guys and girls because I'm not there. But just from discussions that I've had, things I've read, seen things like that, it seems that there was to use, you know, Andy's app term, there was complacency. And from what I understand, there was a big reliance in the area where the infiltration.

came from on technology on they have that super wall uh that i've heard it called where you have you know you've got cameras you've everything from uh physical wall to cameras to hydrastap balloons you know all this stuff and um i read it i watched an interview where a uh i think she's former idf i believe she said she that's what she did the hide of the balloons uh the balloons um and she said on the day of the uh attacks that that area where she was was not working at all. And it was kind of just accepted, you know, okay, we'll get it fixed when we get it fixed. And prior to that, apparently there had been probes, not physical right up on the wall,

try to get through probes, but approaches to those areas where they were able to get in to see what the response would be. And basically it was just like, oh, these dudes again, you know, train on, you know, train get guns on them but that's about it and they get used to it again it's complacency and I think that the reliance on human intelligence wasn't there or maybe it was and it didn't get to where it needed to go to because that's the stories that we're hearing too that there was information months ago a year ago that these things were being planned like to the to the exact places that they were going to come through and their exact tactics videos of it everything and

for whatever reason it was just 9-11 style ignored um you know so i think andy hit the the nail on the head with that one with complacency so again i'm not there i can't say this exactly it but this is that's what i've being told yeah it's very interesting i mean the he's really saturated gaza with informants and um and they're very they're good at running human too and they're just they're good i mean there's no one. So it gets back to that point of even the best intelligence processes and technical equipment in the world cannot overcome confirmation bias. And one of, I, you know, I don't know if this is something, if this is a thing in the intelligence community, but in, you know, in operations we do, well, with intelligence, we do the red teaming, right? And I think there should be,

we're making, it still is an operational. Intel problem. We have to make assumptions to continue planning, right? The Israelis made assumptions, but they, by their own, you know, their own omission didn't challenge them. There was no one to say, hey, wait a second. What if this does fucking mean something? And by the way, what if it means all this? And then people may laugh at him, but the boss, you know, once you sow that seed and someone said that, now on the open, you've got to, you've got to, you know, validated. it all dismiss it. Yeah.

And I thought that was very interesting that despite the fact that they are the most technically, one of the most technically advanced collection, they have one of the most technically advanced collection capabilities in the world. It was human error. Or human, whatever.

Complacency is the perfect word for sure. I mean, I kind of worry, you know, if we got hit again, America in the U.S. With a terrorist attack, how our response would be, especially if we miss it, like, you know, I don't think we would learn from the history we've gone through where it's like, that's what I worry about because you see what's going on in Israel. They are, in my opinion anyway, and I'm not an expert, kind of overreacting.

I think the idea of destroying Hamas is like, I don't see an end game there, really. You know, I don't see where you're going to quell. extremism. Great point. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to No, no. That's my thing. So the other really fascinating thing here is that tension at the nexus between the senior military leadership and the political leadership. All right. We've seen this in the States. Here it's a very, very interesting relationship.

And in fact, although of course political control of the military, the military has always had a great deal of respect here. because it's literally a citizen army. And so since everyone in the military, everyone, all of the population have served in the military except for the ultra-Orthodox, you know, who are causing a lot of the problems and don't have to fight to defend them.

But, you know, my point is so when a general speaks, there's natural respect for him. He is one of the ones. Some people think that's a little unhealthy. And, but everyone's together on this now. You know, they, and that is, to your point, D, certainly I'm not challenging that. And I'm, you know, I mean, that's one of the reasons

where I'm here to try and work out what the hell is going on. And there's a, and the only thing I can offer you right now is a quote from Moshi Dian. And in fact, I'm going to turn over to Jason when I look for this quote. Okay. Yeah, Dee. So speaking to what you were just talking about here in the U.S.,

one of the great quote-unquote things we did after 9-11. was we put a huge emphasis on sharing information. Before prior to 9-11, and this was hammered into me when I first got to the agency was, we collected, as we just spoke about before, in our circles, our intel, FBI collected theirs, NSA collected theirs. Everybody did their thing.

Nobody shared a thing. Everybody was so tight-lipped on it. Nobody shared a thing. So I think, and we're still coming off of that, to our detriment, that, and I'm probably going to get hammer for calling at this, but that sugar high of the war on terror, we're still kind of in that mindset and we're playing catch up on traditional, at least from the Intel's perspective, that traditional collection, target collection. So I think if there was an

attack here in the U.S., more so than anything, our political and ideological divisions would cause the biggest issues. As far as Intel is concerned and maybe probably the military, because again, that's going to come into play. If there's an intel or if there's a terrorist attack in U.S., well, now the big thing is going to be collectively, we're going to stop, look towards D.C. and be like, what are we dealing with the military? Because you're going to have people screaming posse comitatis. You're going to have all kinds of stuff going on.

So if it's a smart terror organization that's hitting us or a proxy, they're going to take full advantage of that. And I think, I don't know, I don't speak for Hamas. thank God, but I think their timing of their attack was fortuitous based on the fact that there is political upheaval there. So you have like look at the protests, you know, immediately, immediately after the dust has not settled, but the quote, you know, the, for black or better term, does settle immediate protests within Israel and abroad. So it's going to be, it'll be tough. It will be tough for them and it is going to be tougher off if it ever happens you know yeah wouldn't do you not and

and answer to your you know your comment i'm going to just read this quote and i will say that that this has been quoted to me too um as a rationale okay and then here's a quote we cannot always prevent the murder of workers in an orchards but we can set a high price for our blood a price too high for the Arab settlement, the Arab army and the Arab government to pay. Retaliation operations are not for vengeance. It is an act of punishment and warning that if that state does not control its population and does not prevent them attacking us, the Israeli forces will cause havoc in its land. You know, so they, I mean, I'm not saying, hey, this, you know, that justifies everything. I'm just saying, we've got to, you know, to understand the mentality,

this is what they refer to and they see you know whereas we from outside see an army that is will I mean very negligently causing huge number of casualties and making a political situation far worse that's you know that's

that's the common criticism right and I'm not saying that's not happening I'm just saying here they're aware of that criticism they are united together and even the lefties now are you know behind the war that they're not behind the government um now who has at the most the highest uh estimates 15 percent i mean he's he's not a popular guy no a lot of reasons he's hated by the the hostage families and last thing i say by the way there's still six american hostages um two have died

But six remain unaccounted for all. And 40 Americans were killed on 6 October. They're dual national. But the interesting thing about this, and there is a lot of bitterness here among the American Israelis, because they feel they're angry at the government, and they feel that because their son's daughters were Americans, that the US government should represent them in the negotiations,

not the Israeli government because they say, I'm just quoting them, we don't trust this particular guy in power here. And these guys were Americans, but we feel, I'm quoting, you know, I'm paraphrasing them, we feel as though, because they were dual nationals, they're not given the full rights of a U.S. citizen. Right.

You know? And listen, I mean, which is an interesting point. If Israel and, you know, more specifically, I guess Netanyahu, because he's got every motivation, to keep this going because the minute there's a ceasefire, he's out, he's gone. See you. He's gone?

More than likely, yeah. And you're right. And that's the sense here that the anger from the hostage families and it's, you know, I can talk about this in another episode, but it's palpable. And it's about that that they feel that there's a lot of political grandstanding going on. and people trying to save the political careers and the combatants and the hostages and the civilians of Gaza are all the people

who are suffering. You know, from this. And like from the U.S. perspective, like how, how much longer do we let this go the way it's being prosecuted? Like, do we really want Israel to drag us into a regional war, which we're kind of there already, right? like we're kind of, I guess, nipping at...

I'm in a minority here. I'm not... I think this too will pass as far as the United States. What concerns me more is a comment that I saw in an official document today that basically said the Arab local Arab, I mean, the regional Arab countries now... I'm going to get vilified for this. I'm just quoting, trust Israel more than they trust the United States. Oh, wow.

Okay. UAE, Saudi Arabia. So that may be true. You know, they understand Israel. Yeah. Israel is more predictable because they have studied Israel. And they don't know what we're going to do. It all depends on the elections.

Yeah. And also, too, they've seen Israel do exactly what they said they're going to do. You know, they don't, they're not fair. whether they're not, whatever the ways, the wind blows. It's, this is what we're going to do. From the 60s on, they've said, this is, or the 40s on, this is what we're going to do if X or A happens. And when it happens, they do exactly what they say they're going to do.

So, of course, they're going to trust them more than us. For us, I think you started to allude to it, Andy, I think it's a better, or I think it's more for us, the U.S. government, I'm speaking on, a matter of this is working for us. so let's just leave it the way it is for now. We're not going to put our little protests out there, but at the same time, if it's working for us and nothing, you know, it's not going back on us, let's just leave it the way it is. Have you guys seen any, I haven't seen much coverage of the American hostages.

No, not. I've got dog tags with their names on, but I hadn't, I wasn't even familiar with their names. Three of them are New Yorkers, by the way, Dee. Not that that makes them I mean not that that makes them more deserving human beings or less deserving human beings

but it's kind of but you know ISIS I don't know but I'm wondering if the if the Senate who's who's the senator I mean New York Yeah who are the two

Chuck Schumer and Christian Jalibrand Okay Schumer that's right Yeah Schumer they've written to Schumer to say hey look three of your constituents are being held hostage by Hamas and the U.S. government. I'm just quoting, you know, is not actively involved in, yeah. In the, in like, the negotiations, sure, but like the U.S. government spun up, you know, 5,000 J-S.ac guys ready to go if they could do it.

And it's, you know, it's an urban area that's impossible to like, traverse. No, I've got it. I'm not, this is not me criticizing. No, yeah, I know. You know, I mean, it's a tremendously difficult decision. I am just kind of relaying conversations that I've had. And, you know, I have a METs, obviously. So why do you think the U.S. isn't more involved in, like, trying to negotiate a deal and, like,

rushing Israel more and. Yeah. I mean, I think it is this, right? Politically within, domestically within the United States, Israel has always been a life wire. Always, all right. It is in foreign policy, when push comes to shove, it causes huge divisions within our country. And Netanyahu knows that and has, you know, has worked that scene before to his own benefit. You know, I mean, there's all kinds of reasons.

I was talking to, I get all my information. Anyway, I know Jason's got to go soon, but it's a really, yeah, it is a very interesting topic. It is a live while. But the biggest supporters of Israel and the states aren't. American Jews, American Jews tend to vote Democrat, right? I mean, totally in New York, right, Dee? Yeah. Tend to be more liberal.

Yeah. So they're not, it's like the, it's like the far, far, right? You know, the evangelicals. Yeah. And it all gets kind of weird because evangelicals now are over here talking about how, I mean, it's this whole religiosity thing. And the Palestinians don't, the Palestinians don't figure in those people. view of, you know, of the history of this place.

So no one, you know, the evangelicals aren't bringing their hands at 28,000 dead Palestinian civilians, right? You know, who are all human beings. And I think we all understand that the implicit inequity in how we treat casualties, civilian casualties based largely on how similar they look or sound or culturally are to us. ourselves. And the further away they are on that spectrum, the less we really can. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's also to further your question, D, I think that we are negotiating on some level. We just don't hear about it. Yeah. So I don't think we're completely hands off. I just

don't think we know what's happening behind closed doors. How fervent that push is. I I can't say and I don't know, but obviously it's not enough for the families. So until they're, you know, either know that they're a dead or alive or be standing right in front of them hugging them, it's not going to be enough. Yeah. So I think it's probably happening. I hope so. Me too. Well, Phyllis, that's about it.

That was good. Yeah. Yeah, very good. Dee, right over to you for the plug. Yeah, guys, don't forget to like, subscribe. If you're listening to us in Apple or Spotify or any of the audio platforms, remember to rate and review at five stars. That helps us out big time.

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