The Team House - Canadian Special Operations Face Off with ISIS | Sebastian "Butch" Bouchard | Ep. 378

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

Sebastian Bouchard, a veteran of the Canadian Special Operations Regiment (CSOR), recounts his 15-year career, beginning with the unit's founding after the infamous Airborne Regiment disbandment and detailing the brutal selection process . His operational history spans night raids in Afghanistan, a chaotic deployment in Libya, and intense close-quarters combat during the 2015 ISIS push in Iraq. Finally, Bouchard shares his post-military struggle with service-related TBI and his success with unconventional medical treatment, which inspired him to found the global risk mitigation firm, the 242 Group.Find Butch here: ⬇️https://242-group.com/Today's Sponsors TrueWerk ⬇️https://truewerk.com/houseuse code "HOUSE" for 15% off!GhostBed⬇️https://www.ghostbed.com/houseFOR 25% off sitewide! For ad free video and audio and access to live streams and Eyes On Geopolitics...JOIN OUR PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheTeamHouseTo help support the show and for all bonus content including:-live shows and asking guest questions -ad free audio and video-early access to shows-Access to ALL bonus segments with our guestsSubscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouseSupport the show here:⬇️https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse___________________________________________________Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured__________________________________Jack Murphy's new book "We Defy: The Lost Chapters of Special Forces History" ⬇️https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N/——————————————————————Or make a one time donation at: ⬇️https://ko-fi.com/theteamhouseSocial Media: ⬇️The Team House Instagram:https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_linkThe Team House Twitter:https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePodJack’s Instagram:https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_linkJack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21Dave’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/dave_parke?s=21Team House Discord: ⬇️https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6SubReddit: ⬇️https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTeamHouse/Jack Murphy's memoir "Murphy's Law" can be found here:⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/Murphys-Law-Journey-Investigative-Journalist/dp/1501191241The Team Room Reading Room (Amazon Affiliate links):⬇️ https://jackmurphywrites.com/the-team-room-reading-room/Intro music by https://www.youtube.com/user/RemixSample"Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio"0:00 Start/Origin Story4:52 CSOR founded (2006).15:02 CSOR Selection difficulty.29:36 First deployment: Afghanistan.45:04 2011 Libya rapid deployment.50:29 Made fake IDs in Libya.1:06:11 Commanding Iraq front line.1:11:28 Major ISIS breakthrough.1:39:41 TBI treatment success.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.

The Team House with your hosts, Jack Murphy and David Park. Hey, folks, welcome to episode 378 of the Team House. I'm Jack Murphy here tonight with our guest. I'm really happy to have on the show tonight. A veteran of the Canadian Special Operations Regiment or Seesore, his name is Sebastian Bouchard, goes by Butch. That's how all of his teammates know him. Nice to see you, man.

our first seesaw veteran on the show. We're really happy to have you here. Thank you. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. Families in bed. It's laid here in London, and we go to all the time. Thanks for doing it. Look, I even dust it off my...

To represent. Yeah, I love it. So I usually ask people at the beginning of the podcast to tell kind of their origin story. If you can tell us a little bit about how you grew up and how that took you towards. military service. Yeah. You know, I join it 17. You can tell him my accent.

I'm French-Canadian. It's important for your audience, your U.S. based. And I like to say that. I'm French-Canadian because I don't know if you guys are aware of that, but there's Quebecers, you know, from the province of Quebec, which I'm born in Montreal in the province of Quebec,

but Quebecers are the one. the 70s and early 90s. I think they want to separate from the religions to France. I'm not. I'm Canadian. My birth language is French, but I'm a proud Canadian. I serve with the Canadian military. And yeah, I joined at 17. I think like, you know, I've watched a few podcasts. I know a lot of military guys, both, you know, in the States and in Canada. When you grew up, up a harder neighborhood or a bit less wealthy. There's a lot of guys that come from that background. You know, I don't know if it gives you more grit or whatever,

but I grew up okay, but really basic and a bit of a harder neighborhood in Montreal. And it just always interested me to do a physical career. and like, you know, I'm 42 now. So if you backtrack when I was a teenager, full metal jacket. You know, early 90s it was military movies and stuff. So I piqued my interest. And then, you know, you remember that movie, full metal jacket. And somehow I thought it was cool to get yelled at.

you know, the drill instructor. Yeah, so it's as simple as that. It hooked me. I watched full metal jacket 20, 30 times. I was hooked on it. Video games kind of, you know, give you a bit of a flavor of it.

And then, yeah, ride off high school, join the infantry. So I went combat arms. Make people laugh a little bit, you know, 17-year-old, skinny, tall, just, just, I school diploma and I went into the recruiting office and I'm like, oh, I want to be a helicopter pilot or maybe a jet pilot. You know, these jets?

You know where I'm going at? Yeah, yeah, they points to the test score and he's like, I didn't do the score yet, but he's like, let me introduce you to the infantry. So, yeah, here we go. So, and they sold me on it anyway, you can, you know, no matter the weather and everywhere in the world, you'd be in trenches and combat and blah, blah, blah. So I was sold. Convinced my parents to sign because in Canada, I was not, you know, an adult yet. So I had to convince them to sign and they did.

I didn't give them a choice. And I joined the French Canadian infantry. It's based in Quebec City, nicknames the Vain-Duce. So it's the French-Canadian regiment of infantry served there. I was lucky that, you know, I went through the steps right, battle school, and all that. I was lucky when I went to the third regiment, that's where, you know, in the 90s, the disbanded our airborne regiment. Yeah, Patricia's, was a Queen Patricia's regiment or something like that? Yeah, so from the late 70s, whatever, when they stood up, there was a regiment based in Ontario and Petalvo.

It was an airborne regiment. So all the paratroopers were in the same regiment. And then they had a company that was French-Canadian and two other companies that were Anglo-Canadians. That was a regiment because disbanded. And when the government decided to disband them, they put a company of parachutists, so with the Maroon Barret in each of the, the infantry regiment regiment in Canada. And you're correct, Jack, on the West Coast we have the PPCLI. And,

you know, Quebec, there's the French Canadian infantry and in Ontario is the RCR Royal Canadian Regiment. And each of those have a company of parachutists. So I was lucky that, back to my story,

is I did battle school, then I checked in my infantry regiment and you don't go from being a new guy to the pair company. You need to earn your way to be sent on parachute cool or airborne school and join that. But somehow, I tell you, it's a true story. Somehow in 2000, they needed bodies. So they took, I think that I don't remember, five or six of us from battle school straight to the pair lines, to a pair of company, which was a big deal back then.

And you didn't have your wings yet, so. We paid. You do not, you do not show up because it's not like I magically had my airborne calls. Right. So I remember showing up there with the group, we have green berets for infantry. And I show up in the pair lines, new guy day one with five of my bodies, maybe less than that, with a green beret for, they couldn't load us on the airborne calls for another few months. That was, you know, I was 17, skinny and new guy.

You're in the pair of lines with a green beret? Like, we could, it's funny, you know, like all these little cultural things. Like, we had to take our very off as soon as we walk in the lines, because then you're getting smoked. It was illegal, you know? Anyway, so better part of my career was or the first part of my career was five years right into Paris. So basically my infancy was parachutist for five years in the Vandos. Deployed Bosnia and Afghanistan, yeah.

Tell us about the first one to Bosnia, what that was like for you. It was, you know, I didn't know nothing. And it was within a few months, it was even before at my Marumbrae actually, now I recall. And we deployed to Tammyslav Grave in 2001 in Bosnia. Obviously, it's getting blurry now. It's decades ago. But I remember not being, it might be the reason later on that I joined Special Forces, But I remember being, remember I watched Full Metal Jacket.

And now I'm in the infantry. And I'm thinking it's going to be war like Vietnam at the end of the movie. And it was peacekeeping, correct? In 2001, the war was over. It was peacekeeping. So for the six, seven months we were there. We would switch from, you know, most soldiers know that, regular soldiers know that. We would rotate from gate duty to patrol.

peace, you know, peace, stabilizing operations. So we would patrol. And then the third phase would be QRF for those patrols. And then it was seven months of just, you got the gate, or you're doing patrols, that nothing happens, or your QRF and you don't get out, you know. So to be honest, yeah, I was proud, you know.

I was 17, 18-year-old hanging out with the boys in Tommy's lap, grab with more money. For us, it's tax-free when you deploy. I was happy. But it didn't scratch the hit, right? It was like, right? Right. And then presumably not too long after that 9-11 happens and Canada joins the multinational

coalition. How was that kind of like transitional period for you as, you know, Canada's going to war now? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that happened right after this, like, I think I was still on, I was still on leave when 9-11 happened. And again, normal infantry, we didn't think we deployed right away. They sent the PPCLI. The infantry that was there from 2002, yeah, they deployed. So it wasn't us, it was the West Coast.

But then when we knew that the PPCLI were. in the mountains, you know, patrolling the mountains and part of the mission. Then it got our head shed and our commanders. Oh wow. Yeah, we're going to walk. Right. So I had to wait. It was roto to I believe so. So I think it went PPCLI and then they send the RCR, but now it was in Kabul. So the initial push that they needed the PPCA. And then I don't know. but what I heard is the PPCLI, our regular infantry, did phenomenal in 2002, right, supporting the efforts. But then I don't, again, I was a young soldier, right? I don't know what happened, but then it was just Kabul.

And Kabul was secured at that point, remember? 2003? Kabul was kind of secured. Taliban were hurt. And it kind of was a repeat for us in a way. It was somewhat of a repeat of what I did in the way. repeat of what I did in Bosnia. It was keeping Kabul safe. So my my my regular infantry time was was quite peaceful. It wasn't moved to Kandahar and that's when the Kenyan forces got really hit hard with you know fighting the Taliban and al-Qaeda. It was in Kandahar. So my tour for Afghanistan under a regular infantry unit was in Kabul and it was a rinse repeat from Bosnia.

There's nothing happened there. Did Gate, there was an O.P. At her camp, Julian, there was OPs north and south of it. So you would rotate from Gate duty to O.P. duty. So you'd spend a week basically sleeping on camp, but not just, you know. Yeah, up in a tower somewhere. Yeah. And then you'd do patrol for a bit.

And then we would rotate. Look, I'm not saying that. I don't regret my time in the infantry. It sounds like that when I speak now, but we're talking five years that they made me a man. Like the training in infantry is hard. You know that. You know, you're hard, and you do hard things,

and you do a lot of physical activity, and you go to the gym. And you had great leaders to at some point, you know, there's great infantry leaders that are respected, that remember I joined 17. So to me, that's where I grew into a man. Right, yeah. And I wouldn't have passed the rest of my career, I think,

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So for you, coming back home and, you know, it sounds again like you didn't quite scratch the itch that you had. Didn't have a hard combat deployment just yet. When does this thing called Seesore, when's the first time you hear about it? Yeah. And again, we don't know each other that much, but I like good stories, you know. I'm the guy I like to entertain the room and stuff.

So it is a good story. It happened in 2000, was it to the, no, to 2006, yeah, or late 2005, anyway. Because I wasn't scratching the hitch that I was discussing. Then, you know, I was a corporal by then, got promoted in that again. Yeah, so I was a corporal, so it was the second rank for us then. And getting some experience in the infantry. And I'm discussing, I remember with two other guys, they're still servings with the regiments, I won't say their names, but I'm with two guys and we're like, oh, we're going to, you know obviously of JTF2. Like, oh, we're going to scream for a JTF2.

I'm like, okay. So we initial paperwork for your chain and comment to review and then send it to Kansas outcome. But then, so that happened. I remember it happened I think on a Friday. Okay, yeah, we're putting the paperwork in, you know, that's it. And on the Monday, so I guess Monday morning, the leadership put in each of the company's entrance. They put a, a four piece of paper, you know, a little poster, but just on a normal printer piece of paper. It was like a recruiting poster or something new.

right and i i don't remember exact details but it was questions so there was no symbol of a unit it was just like a soldier from work because you know our lineage with uh first special service force the black devils i found that out later but but there's i think it was the black devil on that and it was question jack so it was like are you into direct action are you interested in yeah they got us right Are you into special reconnaissance, you know, special warfare? Do you want to work in extremely small teams? Like questions like that, maybe five or six questions.

And if so, send an email to this. I was sold. I didn't even know what it was. I'm like, that's got to be better than JTF2. You know, they got a 175 of us, I guess. Wow. Yeah. So it was.

open to the entire military. So even the Air Force Navy, you know, you could, I guess they recruited through the entire CAF, Canadian Armed Forces. And that process was pretty quick to, I think the email was sent to my warrant officer. You know, I sent, anyway, they tracked down who I was, but anyway, the three guys that we decided to do it. And it was literally, I remember saying to these two guys who were saying to each other, first unit, you know, you're cocky when you're young. And like, first unit that replies gets us, you know? So Csor was bang.

I think the next week we're starting to do physical, initial physical test. Oh, wow. Psychologist test. So, so that's why I ended up in CISO. So as you're kind of like, yeah, and Bush, if you can lean a little bit or scooting, your chair a little bit further forward because I think we lose words once in a while. You might be just a little too far from the computer. Okay. I didn't even...

You're... I think you're good. No. You can't see my screen anymore. Yeah, no. Put it back because otherwise we're kind of looking up at you. I think right there is fine. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, yeah, all good. Thank you. We're closer. Yeah, yeah. So as you're going through this process, it sounds like they did have... Did they have some sort of a... assessment and selection, like protocol already established? Again, it's getting quite far in my memory, but it was fast. I remember doing tests after test.

They had a selection process. We'll get to that and, you know, just soon in the story. But I think they mimic what JTF2 is already doing for pre-selecting, you know, like interview were like psychologist initial fitness test was pretty easy I answered some questions so so I think that was just carbon copy from what canst have gone which was not created yet it got created at the same time as seesore I think because at first it was jtf2 you know and dirty lows and I think at the same time as when the regimen stood up in April 2006 I think kensovcom became a thing because now there's too many who are in them and so it gave them the reason to have a command you know i think

that's all the story went but uh yeah there was a process i remember going through a process we we like i said so so everything was successful for for all of us from from this pair of company we um i remember as a young man finding it pretty cool the entire process because it was really secretive from a poster, sent an email, your chain of command, we'll handle, everything. And then we got, I don't know what you guys call it, you know, report duty. Oh, yeah, orders. Orders, okay, so let's use that word. So we got orders.

Let's say it was winter. And then by April of 2006, we got orders of next week, you're reporting to the base of Perravo, Ontario, more to follow. That's it. Bring your rucksack and bring this. You know, Kit List. Hey, man, as a young man, you know, by then I was, what, you know, 20, 21, whatever, 22. Yeah. And it has a super... The three book took one car and drove, drove eight hours to a base we've never been to. It's an experience, right? Yeah, it has a little bit of a secret agent flare to it. You don't know what They really did that at the beginning.

Yeah, I tell you. And show up, after find a building, you know, whatever building name, find a building. And then there's some guys in uniform there. We didn't know if it was the cadre, whoever. They're in civis. Remember, I'm in the infantry. Clean cut, uniform all the time. Now there's a bunch of guys in civvies, civilian attire.

Okay, who are you? find you on a list okay you in that room you know so it was pretty set up they put us basically in barracks and it kicked off i think it was a friday i believe yeah because we got drunk that weekend yeah so showed up on a friday partied for one last time for months and then uh started on a monday pretty good experience yeah and then the parade that first morning just strangers minus the two guys that brought with me from Quebec. I think that it was that, like 175, something like that. What was the selection process like?

And were the instructors JTF2, Cadre? Mostly, yeah. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. It was mostly, you know, for the hands and feet, for sure. It was JTF2 guys. And then I remember some specialties would be, you know, I remember when we, I'll give you an example, when we did the basic demo, door charges and blah, blah, blah. It was, I think, an engineer from the regular army, because it's basic, right?

So there was, there was at certain points, you know, when we did climbing, it was an AMO from what I don't remember where PPCL, I think. But yes, the, you know, course warrant officer, course officer, most instructors were from JTF2. And I know you said selection, so there is a proper selection for decades now. But the first course, and that's when, you know, I was young again, I didn't really understand the politics. But I guess the government back then, you know, I'm not. privy to that but but really Csor got stood up because JTF 2 was saying look we're in Afghanistan now we need a support element Rangers you know to do the court and support them in DAs and love so I think that it was government saying okay here's

money you got the approval to start this new unit but but it needs to happen now Now, politics, maybe they were running out of time to do it, elections coming, I don't remember. But it was pretty fast because they got the approval, a bag of money, and make it happen. So they didn't have time to put the 175 people through a pipeline of whatever selection they need to invent now. They can't copy the JTF21 because it's two different separate mandate. So what we did is we started calls. So day one, I don't really recall exactly the course layout, but day one, let's say. It separated us in teams, so basically companies, and we would do phase one, these guys do phase two, and then we swap.

So everybody's trained at the same level, and then we move to the next step. But every week, at least once or twice a week, there would be something called an evolution. And it was basically a selection event, right? So everybody starts the course, if you get my story. Everybody can start the calls without having done all the phobia tests, you know, all the tests that you look at, the psychology or decision making. They did it during the call. So what was weird is that a guy could do well at ends and feet, but then on week number 12,

finally he gets tested for phobia and they discover, oh, you got a phobia with boom, gun. You know, it's weird, right? Guys would be taken off course because they fail in a evolution, a selection event, halfway through the course, because that's the only time they got to test for this specific skill. It's really a weird. I find it weird now that I'm educated and I've been my career. I'm like, oh, yes. Yeah, they were trying to build an aircraft while in flight, basically. Yes. Perfect way to say it. Perfect way to say it. Yeah. And that was the only year. Yeah, I think. Or maybe they did that for two evolutions, but after that there was pre-selection, selection,

then board decide if you go on calls and then calls. So presumably you make it through the selection events and get selected for this unit. Can you tell us a little bit more about like what Seesore's mission set? I mean, you did touch upon it already a little bit, but I think maybe the mandate you said shifted a little bit as the years went on. It did. Look, now it's 2025, almost 2026. I've been retired for a long time. I don't know.

the mandate switch already or you know I guess that the easy way to see as far as eye readiness expeditionary special affair experts DA and special reconnaissance that you know and I think is your US base if if I don't like to because every unit's different but we were kind of mentioning that at the beginning before we went live but mash the rangers with the green beret special forces you know put them together and that's that's the closest i could say you know um right they have they have the the d a but also the experts that do special warfare at the same time and they they also do like the advising like foreign and we've called it foreign internal defense yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh how do we call it again but i know you

exactly what you're saying. Yeah. Foreign defense. Going overseas and training friendly forces and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. And we really cut her teeth later in Afghanistan so that, you know, we finished Afghanistan. For us, it was 2013.

I think we closed the mission. Towards the end of, you know, the last, let's say the last four years of that mission, we were really cutting her teeth into the AAA, you know, advise us as a company. That's all we call it anyway back then. And more recently, the last decade Iraq against Daesh did a lot of buy-with-through with them. That's another word we'd like to use. But yeah, look, for your majority of your audience, if you would take the Rangers and join them with the Green Berets, Special Forces, it's pretty good comparison with C-SOR.

So then tell us about kind of like the first combat deployment for C-SOR. When does that start coming on the horizon? Right after the first course, like I said, they were the new command and JTF2 is hungry to get a bit of support. So 2007 was my first, you know, the stand-up raids on the first course being done was August 2006 and I was in Canada Har I don't know if you heard that base Graceland was where JTF 2 and was based and then closed by I think so you think six at a compound gecko I think it was

called so I was in there I think February 2007 so you know we did a big ramp up too so basically two course one after the other because the the stand up course, you know, the pipeline, and then pre-deployment training right after. I remember I had the week lost and then we're on pre-deployment training for a few months, then leave, then in Canada are. So first deployment with C-Sor was in 2007. In Canada, the mission set of, how would they call this? I don't remember the name of the mission.

And I know this rotation that I was on, it was attached to JTF2, so we're working for them. I believe, just like the Rangers would be attaching themselves to Delta. I'm not too sure, but we'd be in support of JTF2 operation. And their mandate was definitely DA's night raids on HVTs, MVTs. At that time, the regular infantry battalions were getting hit hard by IEDs. So I remember that first tour, the nights that we deployed was targeting IED facilitators, you know, leadership for IAD makers at night, obviously. And it's quite busy, you know.

Again, that tour is pretty far in my head, but I'd say we'd get. out once twice a week lots of I think it's the same for you guys lots of spooling up for an up and then something change either

their stack or the intel changes and then I'll stand down you know so we did a lot of stand up radio checks and then we don't get the green light but at least once or twice a week were you scratching the itch at this point not

quite and it was more. You know, I definitely felt I joined something special, but remember Jack, it was her first door next to a proven, you know, tier one. We don't really use tier, but tier one unit. So we're the new retarded brother. And I say it how it is now. I'm retired. You guys that enter, you know, I got lots of friends in JTF2 and I deployed with them many times. Great, you know, great tier one unit, I believe. They were pretty pissed off, most of them. They were not the only guys on the block now.

But I thought they wanted you. You know, I thought they wanted you. They requested this unit be created. I guess the leaders saw the need. But when you come down to the guy that's on the ground, you know, and I'm a funny guy. It's funny now. It wasn't funny then, but the assaater down on the ground that joined JTF too,

and he's a new guy too, but then he sees these new guys that less equip a bit. We don't have all this specialized. You know, we didn't have, there was a disparity there with Kit. We don't have the same budget. So anyway, I'm not saying they treated us like slate. That's not what I'm saying. But the culture, it wasn't. I wasn't, ah, welcome boys, we needed you.

It was more like, you stand there, you little new guy, new unit. So there was a lot of that going on. And it's all fun on games now. But back then, you know, you just finish it. It was tough course, tough long months of, you know. And now you think you made it. But then you show up on a mission. And then the guys that you're supporting.

They don't love you. They don't hate you, but they just don't really want you there. So you go out at night on the head and they make sure that, you know, the blocking falls and you stay there. And if they're shooting inside the structure, you make sure you stay out there. We don't need you, you know? Watch her back. There was a lot of that. Still good lesson learned.

We did a lot of training that that can have great training facility, you know? And because you're outside of Canada, The training's a bit more realistic. There's less rules. You know, we have the base back on the same as state side, right, as regulations and ringed warden. So the training was great. We had, I don't know if you visited, did you visit Grace Land or get caught?

No, I never been there. It was a great complex. The best base I've ever been on throughout all my deployments. Because we had a huge backyard. There's a big mountain range, basically, but it was all ours. And so maneuver, you know, the ground was used so we could do whatever. 360 maneuvering the bombers, machine guns. We were kind of needed to be the heavy weapon experts.

So spend a lot of time in the turrets on the 50-cal machine guns, you know, carvey staff, mortar, I did a lot of training. And it was as much as you wanted, you know, as much ammo as you wanted. Connix containers full of ammo. Yeah, so I had a great memory of that first tour, right? Because I was a young, you know, corporal still, not a leader. And you're telling me that I can leave my room with my C8, you know, my carbine, my pistol. I can just grab ammo, walk to the range by myself and shoot for three hours.

By myself. Just need to check in with, you know, check in with HQ saying range number two going live. To me, I was a rock star. And I'm like, so we spent all our time either in the gym or on the range, which, if you think about it, grew our skills even more than on course and then the attachment commander doing detachment training on himself. Does it need to fill paperwork? So it's kind of fast track our skill level or increase our skill level, even if we're not out

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are an infant unit and I understand the steps we need to go through. The leash was still on if we can use that termology, you know. We work for another unit. So there was a few rotation of that, you know, that I wasn't on there, but I did mine. And then there's a few evolution of this. And then I'm not too sure what happened. I'm not sure why. But where seesaw really got their first kind of glimms,

of what it is to be self-sufficient and do operation on your own was in 2009. Again, I don't know why the decision was made that for two rotation, I think JTF2 was busy somewhere, that I don't know. But it was C-Sor only in that camp, Graceland. So there was either one or one and a half, anyway, there's many months that there was no JTF2 assaulters with us. So, and I did this. the second end of this portion.

So my 2009, what I'm saying, my 2009, I deployed twice in 2009. I did one combined, but anyway, I did three months of this portion of Seesore doing their solo op. It was us. We weren't kind of approved yet to do night ops, you know, like going for HVTs, hard knocks, and, you know, we didn't do that. What we did, what they tasked us were doing, was desert mobility. Old school, you know, SAS stuff, like in trucks in the desert for 30 days. And I got a, basically I replaced a guy that got injured.

I was a sniper by then. I did sniper course at some point. So one of the snipers needed to be repats. So I took the rest of this portion of his tour, which was great because I got to live this mobility lifestyle. of this entire tour we did mobility. On the, we're tasked in denying, was it, as drugs going out in the Pakistan and money coming into the Taliban,

we needed to disrupt that. So spent, I don't recall, I think the longest one was 32 days. Wow. Yeah, it was no, Jack, it was amazing. Amazing. Maybe that's what I like, but living out of trucks and Snivers want ATVs, you know, these six wheelers, polaris, six wheels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I lived out of that ATV for, yeah, 32 days in the desert. It was amazing. And just disrupting them. So either getting cash, we got like, you know, jingle trucks? Jail old trucks, load of ashish, like bricks. And it was amazing. I think it was supported by, what's your drug enforcement?

The DEA fast teams. Yeah, yeah. They was supported by that in some way. I think they would come in in a chopper, take pictures, then we'd burn it all. Anyway, it was obviously this mission was in support of the US, right? So we were supporting them indirectly, I think. But when we would get something big, they would show up for pictures. And, um, it was, It was beautiful. I really liked it. We would get resupped every week, I think.

You know, they would drop with RC 130s. They would drop loads, what we needed, fuel, food. It was great. Yeah. And so, yeah, 30 days out there patrolling constantly. That's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot, but it was needed. because remember we're still infant, you know,

I don't want to use these words all night, but we're new. We're four years into becoming our own thing. Remember, we stood up a regiment. So that is still in play now. So what we've learned, I think, and again, I'm not, I think we took the SAS kind of book,

because they did a lot of that, right? So I think we initially kind of study when it started. We're like, okay, we leaguers and mobility TTPs and blah, blah, which we're not going to discuss. But we started somewhere and at the end of these mobilities, we were extremely good at it. And we made their own SOPs and we became really good at it. So it was needed. it's another tool in our toolbox that we we we sorted out and we did herself and then now it's it's in our books and that's what we teach our new guys because we have back now guys are

retiring but we were passing that knowledge now on course you know even though they're not doing it anymore in the world we have this knowledge real experience that we did ourselves it's great love i got to ask too because uh our viewers will love it Since you were a sniper on this deployment, which rifle were you carrying? Was it the 338? Yeah, 338. Yeah. And we had a gray 338 to the Prairie Gunworks, PGW, DTI.

And it was, first it was a McMillan chassis. And when we had this one, I love this thing. As, you know, a tag driver. So my primary was AR-10 on the quad. You know, I would add my AR-10 right on my end of balls. And then we had, we constructed things like these ATVs. We worked on them ourselves. So I could live off it.

So a big barrack box at the back, you know, complemental eyes. Okay, food there, ammo there, easy access. Okay, I'm 72 in the front with my AR-10. So it loved, and each quad was different. And yet you're correct. 338 was we had 150 Cal McMillan 50 Cal per detachment or detachment was four quads. We're not going to go in tactics, but basically pictured as snipers, they work in full.

And on these squads and then we've got 150 Cal or two per per team of full. Each sniper with their 338, each sniper with a semi auto platform. And yeah, it's great that, uh, uh, uh, One look, an highlight of that, I don't want to go into tactics, but picture, you know, and we kind of nobody told us how to do it, but how do you stop a convoy of jingle trucks that you're picking up, you know, it's desert, right? We're in the desert. There's no towns.

Small villages once in a while, but it's really bare, flat, some dunes. Anyway, you see an obvious convoy of. five jingled trucks, six, six, seven, ten K away. How'd you tackle that? How'd you stop them, you know, VIs? No choppers coming in to stop it. You know, it's just envis that are slow in the sand and ATVs that are fast. So I'm not going to discuss how we did it, but we found like a pretty cool way to just, you know,

stop them catch up, blah, blah, blah, overwatch. It was great. So we'd get excited, you know, you wouldn't see anything for two, three days. And then you pick one up. And then you got to go after it. So this was just like a fairly prolific smuggling route. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

They were moving drugs out and cash in. We didn't, to be honest with you, I'm always honest. I don't remember us because we'd separate ourselves, but I don't remember us getting cash. We got a lot of drugs. Yeah. Yeah. So the cash, I'm not sure if they were used.

in these same roots that we kind of vectored in. But we definitely vectored in the drugs. So after Afghanistan, what can you tell us about Libya? But, you know, look, it's not a secret. I got a medal for it. Like everybody got a metal for it. So it's a non-operation. You remember in 2011, the 2017 Revolution?

When Gaddafi got it. Yeah. So, you know, Libyans were sick of Gaddafi. They revolted against him. The Air Force was heavily involved into supporting the effort, the coalition effort to support certain militias. And that's the, so what I'm going to say is that there was another first, you know, for Csor. It was the first time, remember I mentioned we are the eye readiness.

you know, high readiness deployable unit, DIA unit for Canada. So this one was the first time that the Pager went off. When Pagers back down? That was our first time that Pager goes off. And I don't remember the exact specifics, but fast enough that the Rwees and the breeze were on the plane, you know, so I don't want to devolve how fast we can. Sure. stuff, but major.

Yeah, you're out of the door very fast. And fast enough that you're getting brief on what you're going to do on the plane. And so, I mean, yeah, it's a rapid deployment. What are you guys like, what's your idea of the mission as, you know, you're learning more? Sorry? What was sort of your understanding of the mission that you were going to? That's definitely, plus it's past operations. it's not a secret.

We were going to go there in civilian working for foreign affairs, and we were to assist, but first analyze and assist with the reintegration of our head of mission into Libya. Gaddafi was on the goal. Tripoli was kind of like the green, not green zone, but the safe place, Benghazi. It flipped now, right? But back then, Benghazi was far west, really dangerous, and Tripoli was kind of stable under this militia that was supported by the coalition.

And I guess back then we had a head of mission, so not an ambassador, but a head of mission that was keen into going back in there and showing face. And, hey, you know, I'm back in Libyo, and we're supporting the revolution. And we were tasked into prepping for a revival. it moved into other things that I don't want to discuss but that was that was the the support that we had to do for this operation and uh I mean from your point of view how did it how did it go I mean this is still sort of a new thing for the unit again another new for Bush you know and and again in different ways I loved it you know I

loved being in the desert I love the stuff that we spoke about before this one was different because again for a young regiment. It was the first time we didn't have a cover story really, but we did. We weren't seesaw coming in. We were with foreign affairs and we're just here on a diplomatic mission and we're council carry and blah blah blah, you know, in civis. So again, it's a first for us. So did we do stuff wrong? Yeah. But we learned a lot. So first time, I believe it was. Yeah, but it was the first time that was a pager call and we're deploying quick. Not sure if it was the first time we're in plain close.

I'm not sure about that. But it was my first time. I really enjoyed it. I can tell you, and like most soft unit, you think outside the box, right? Everybody likes to say that. But that's the first time that me, Bush, noticed that, hey, I'm with a, I'm with the right crew here, like we think outside the box. And I'll give you an example. This deployment for me lasted about three, four months. And we were always having trouble moving from A to B because

the militia would have many, many checkpoints, you know. And what's that movie in Benghazi? Oh, yeah, I know. a great story. It's true. 13 hours. Yeah, please, thank you. So, you know, the opening part of that movie,

that checkpoint, that's really tense, you know, and he's like, point at the sky, like you're going to kill you if you kill him. You're like the opening scene, right? When he picks him up in the airport, there's a stand-up as a checkpoint. It was, that's a real, like, that's pretty legit.

The checkpoints were really tense and he'd stay an hour or two hours, you know. And it was, ah, and you can't see them because Tripoli was in Benghazi. I wasn't scared of them kidnapping me or killing me as just another checkpoint. Right, right? They just made for no reason, right? And there's guns on you and they have zero muscle awareness. And so it's dangerous to get shocked by the ND, you know. And go back to my thinking outside the box, we just got fed up.

So we're like, we noticed that they were trying to, because they had a collation of us behind them, they were trying to be legit. They weren't, but they were trying to look like a military, you know, so they had an ID. We started noticing, and it wasn't at first when we showed up there, but I think as the media's involved and they wanna look like their legitimate force in Libya,

we start noticing IDs and one day we were like, you know what? We took a picture of their ID and then we're in the hotel room. Just, you know, scanners and stuff. Like we made her fake IDs. We're like, we'll try that. So our real picture with their little, you know, the Libyan flag. And how did we call it? It was a diplomatic support something. Anyway, and me and me, because I was always in Paris, So me and another, another, he's still serving, but go on Jay. Me and Jay utter. And because the nature of our work, we're kind of the ones the most on the road, whatever.

We're like, we're going to test this. Really? Yeah. So then we start showing our IDs and they're like, confused, you know? Big smile. They're like, welcome to the team boys. We're going through checks points, like no other. and they never they never

better than I in your defense butch you know you made fake IDs but they were fake to begin with I'm pretty sure the Bullish just made up their own bullshit ID cards

it worked another thing actually that just popped in my head I like these kind of stories backtrack backtrack their first day in there so how it worked there's no problem saying that.

How it worked, we didn't fly right from Canada into Tripoli. We needed some approvals still to come. Can you know how fast it was? The politicians needed to catch up to make all, you know, okay, yes, now he got green light to go in country. So we went to a third location, okay? So it was fast to leave, and then it took like two weeks to get the final proof. Right, it's typical, right?

They pre-stage us, basically. So we're pre-staged somewhere in another country, and we're there a bag of money, you know, renting rooms, blah, blah, blah. But we deploy, I'm a sniper then. That's where we're there, sniper for supporting kicks. So I have a 338, we just discussed it. Yeah, it's collapsible, but I have this PGW 338 there, with my car buying my pistol.

Oh, yeah, pistol, okay, concealable. We're there as diplomatic support. We're not soldiers. So then there, too, into this arrival in the third location, Jay and I look at each other, like, how are we going to, our suitcase, like, it's too long for a travel suitcase.

Like, how are we going to smuggle that in the country? Oh, okay. You're going to think I'm lying. I'm not. We literally went desperado and we found in that third country, we found guitar cases. And we're like, hey, it's perfect. It fits in a guitar case. So like, we bought guitars there. Guitar in the trash. Boom. Long gun in the guitar case. You know, the carbine fit in the backpack. But whatever, I'm fast forwarding to, okay, go time. We're coming in. Tripoli, so land, convoy, to the hotel that we selected, that would stay.

And then again, going back to these militia, they took control of all the five-star, four-star, where media would go and all the Western people would go, because there's a lot of real diplomatic efforts there and lots of media. So where the white people would stay, they would secure it to show, look, we're on your side, and we're securing the hotel, which was needed. They had like airport scanners in the reception. Like beep, beep, beep, plus the scanner, and then you have to go through this.

So I don't know his name, but what I'll describe him to you, is Jay and I show up for check-in as a diplomatic agent of Canada. But I like music, so I bring my guitar everywhere. Right? And but then we didn't plan. There was no reckey. We don't know we're going to go through this. In hindsight, yes, and a reciting,

well, guys, you know, we've got this to go through. No, no clue. So we show up. And I look at jail. Well, there's no turning back here. So I put my guitar on this airport scanner. It goes through, and I'll describe him to you. His nickname for the, because we became almost friends,

his nickname was double inverted glock because this kid, this like 15-year-old kid had two glocks, not one, two. But he had leg holsters, but inverted so that he could draw like this. Frostroth. Yeah, I love it. He was double glock inverted.

Whatever. But that's the first time I meet him. And he's that day behind the scanner. And I saw my guitar go, all the way to the ends, I'm like, yes. but then back in and he's looking at the screen. I'm like, now in my young self mind, I'm like, oh, what is going to be the option here?

Like, you know, I'm going to, because I'm concealed, I'm like, I'm going through the step of what are my options if he pulls the double draw? No, no, Jack, he looked at the screen. He looked up at me. look back down and it's like he saw the coolest thing in the world. His eyes were like that big. And he looked at me and he's like,

I know your secret, you know. So then I knew we were good. He's like, he didn't say a thing. He just winked. And he's like, yeah. So every morning when we'd go do whatever we wanted to go and I'm coming out of my guitar, is like wink, wink, all the time. Wink, wink, wink.

Anyway, in hindsight, that's how it is, right? Like, we compromise. Is there a, we did discuss that. Is there a threat to us now? If they switch, you know, they know we're not who we're saying. We're young. It's a new, we decided to just go with it. And it was perfect, you know.

We moved, anyway, it took about two weeks. We moved to proper team houses. So it was two weeks of like, if they turn, they know directly which room to go and, you know, whatever. I love the double inverted glocks. I'm going to have to remember that one. Yeah, look, I wanted to share that. And then, I mean, Libya winds down after three or four months for you, you're returning home. Have things kind of notably shifted within Seesore that now this is becoming a seasoned unit that's

capable of conducting different types of operations. Yeah, by then where, because Libya was, like I said, am I correct? It was 2011, right? 2011 is when Gaddafi died, so it probably took off. We were there while he died. Yeah. And the day that he died, it was crazy. We were in traffic for like 12 hours because they were shooting in the air, like, jam-packed everywhere,

and just like three hours of just emptying bags or T-T-T-T. 54 is just boom. The rule was the rule was shoot towards the med. It was safe for that. You know, shoot toward the med. I lost them, but I had videos of bus in there.

We pick tea mouses by the water because we like to swim. You know, we think it's you have to be at, because they shoot at night, you have to be in at night because the rounds they come down. Literally like we have, I don't have anymore, but I would have

videos of my window open, it's like, tink, teat, tick, t, t, like it's raining. Anyway, so, um, Kadafi died. It was, we were not there when he died, but I mean, the entire, uh, country was just shooting in the air for like three hours. Ridiculous. So, so, uh, 2011, uh, we are a regiment now and, and we're building our own culture. Um, I don't know if you notice, there's not many guys on podcast. from Seesore. Like you said, I'm the first one. And there's a reason for that.

We definitely have a culture of do your job, and that's it. You know, I don't think, it might change, you know, new generation, but this unit of mine is really concentrating on making a name for itself, which he has a great one now. But throughout the culture was always do your job, shut up. Right, right. I don't think there's going to be, but no books. And I'm not saying it bad to do it.

People want to know. But this culture of ours is really, that's why I'm keeping into like stories. And, you know, it's really our culture. One thing I notice now that I live here in the UK, I work alongside retired SAS guys. And SAS is like that. It's hard to get stuff out of them. And we didn't mimic them. It just happened that it's kind of a culture to keep it, keep it turns off.

So 2011, yes, we're teenager or whatever, you know. We have some operation that are behind us. We're learning at every turn. I'm skipping a lot of special warfare stuff. The training missions, you know, so those are those. Those are still happening. Those are constant. Not sure if we're still in the Caribbean, but, you know, Caribbean Africa.

Are you allowed to say which countries Canada partners with and does training? Yeah. Which? Are you allowed to say which countries that you guys would go and train? There's some that you can look online. You know, Flint Luck is a big operation. Okay. In Africa, right?

We are participating in Flint. Don't remember the one in the Caribbean, but we're in the Caribbean. but we're in the Caribbean. We went to Belize. That was in the news. And obviously, if we're deployed somewhere kinetic, we will do both. Remember, Ranger and Special Forces?

We'll have a team doing AAA and a team doing missions. So it's important for us to, when we deploy somewhere, we'll definitely give some skill sets to our partner force. We'll partner with a unit for sure. And, yeah, we rarely do stuff by ourselves. We're always partner with loads. And, you know, a couple of years down the line, now we got this problem called ISIS. Yeah.

Where does that kind of come on to the horizon for you in the unit? At 2014, you know, there was this tribe on the top of the mound that kicked it off, right? The Yazidis, yeah. Yeah, so it was immediate. So you guys took the lead on that. I remember that. And we had Roto Zero, you know, we call ROTOS by numbers, 0, 1, 2, 3. So, you know, Roto Zero was in there right away.

First, northern Iraq, you know, just outside of the Bill. And then as the war went on, it went into Mosul, so in Iraqi territory. But at first, I was with the Peshmerga, the Kurds in northern Iraq, Urbilt. So 2000, I think late 2014 was the first time we're in there. Into 2015. I have to say it because he's a great friend of mine, but you're aware we lost green on blue. We lost Andrew Duol.

Yeah, at a checkpoint. Yeah, so he was on that first course with me, so I knew him well. So, you know, peace be with him. green on blue. It got mentioned many times in the news, so I don't have to go into it. But just bad, not on his part, bad decision making of the Kurds he was going to advise, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, it was big for us.

It was their first loss. Wow. Wow. We lost an operator before that to a disease. So we lost, but first combat loss was, was, was, and our only one. Wow. Yeah.

So his name was great. He's a great operator. It's a, yeah, I remember when it happened. That is a really sad story. At first, you know, the news, it was, I didn't like that, you know. I remember that they were trying to make it sound like he blew through the checkpoint or something. Yeah. No, I, no, he was doing an unapproved ops.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember this. Yeah. Yeah. It's not what I thought. Yeah. It was just a case of like mistaken identity and confusion. Yeah, it was.

And look, quickly, if people don't know, this detachment led by Drew was doing, I think it was night vision training using night optics with the front line. Because it's right at the front line. And I don't know if your audience know, but the fight with Daesh, especially with the patch, it was World War II. trench lines. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That meant land and then I says on the other side. So he was up on the the flood teaching partner force during the day how to use these things during the days. It's easier. Hey, I'll come back at night to teach you guys how to use them. But he didn't get totally there was a switch in whatever their unit was switching. And the unit that took over, I wasn't there, so I'm not sure of all the details, but that's all I understand it,

is the unit that took over that evening, the trenches, they weren't a big tick with Daesh like a few days ago. So they're really on edge. So you see what happened? So then these bearded guys come back at night from their six, you know, from the back they think they're getting ambushed again or, you know, so then they opened fire. Yeah, just sad.

Yeah. That's the gist of it. Yeah. Well, tell us about your experience with the Canadian Warboos Operation Impact, right? Yeah. What was the first deployment line? I was in 2015, mostly summer. So I went there in the summer in 2015, so shortly after this debacle.

And basically, I'd say it's one of the highlight. career that I enjoy the most because at this point of my career I'm a detachment commander so I'm making the calls on the ground I got great guys in my detachment and our operation impact for us was set up is we would have a detachment plus attachments you know a team of sniper a JTAC to this to this core detachment me and my fuck guys and I would be in charge basically for the time of my role rotation, I would be given a partner force, but also given a piece of that flood. So it was about, let's say, 20 km, 20 kilometer of frontage, fronting the, and that'd be my sector.

And so I would deploy from at Corday Lemon, that's an hour drive back. and I'd go to my team house, which was in proximity of this sector that I own for the next five, six months, right? As a sergeant, you know, not an officer, as a sergeant, we would have officer support. They visit the team house and come to see the us, but basically I'm the boss of how many Peshmergas that are defending this line. they don't report to me, they report to their officers, but their officers seek my consult meetings with them and see it. And that's all you need to see it to do a proper job is

that was my guys and that's my front line and I don't let ISIS come through. You know? And how we would impact the fight, Daesh, is we would leave our team house and I would do a Reki visit all my position and pick with the intel that these guys are telling me the officers. I pick where to situate myself for a week. We were capped at a week. We couldn't be on the front, front line more than a week. So I would pick flavor of the week, you know, where's the last time they had a tick? Did they try to push there?

So I would have to select, okay, we're going to go spend a week there. That's the broad stroke of it. But for a sergeant, now I'm scratching that itch. Now I'm in charge of the guys I love. And plus I'm actually in the fight. I'm in charge of this line. And when I say in charge, I am because we do buy-with-through. So it was by-width through their version of a J-TAC.

With my J-TAC, we would select which target we're going to strike. But again, it wasn't Canada war. So for people that don't understand what by way through is, is I'm there with you, with my team, and I point you in the right direction. I teach you how to find them in their, you know, DFPs or which house they're in. I, you know, focus you on it.

And then I help you write your SELTA, your request for a bomb, and then you send it. So it's you that called the Air Force to come in support. It's not me. We would double check that, okay, the coordinates are right and stuff, but that's what by with ruins. It's them that owned the bomb, but I supported them and making sure it's accurate

and there's no collateral damage and blah, blah, blah. We do these assessment for them. So that's what I did in 2015, and I was really fruitful. I don't recall anymore, but we did keep a kill camp, obviously, because they're soldiers, and it was really fruitful. So much so. And we had access to our organic weapons, if need be. And that, the rule of engagement was that if we'd use organic, it was in defense of our partner force.

You understand? We couldn't use organic. offensively yeah we had to use hair strikes if we wanted to strike them but by way through anyway this this rotation in December that I'm like quite a bit of news we discussed that in the pre-interview is that I can speak a bit about it because it made the news internationally as I don't know if you recall if it came across your desk but in December 2015 it was a large large, large attack from Daesh, trying to push the line.

Is that the same breakthrough where the seal named Keating was killed, Charles Keating, I believe? He died during my rotation. He was further north, so it wasn't the same breakthrough. Okay, okay. And I don't, it was a smaller breakthrough after mine, I believe. Look, I went better in this. I'm not sure if it was after, yeah. The big breakthrough was definitely just in the Canadian line.

The center of their push was a town called Telaswad. And it was, again, unlucky, lucky. It was right in the center of our team of 11, 12 plus our Pesh. So it was in our sector. And it was alone almost 48 hours because, basically it unfolded kind of in steps so we weren't on the front when the push started right so at first it was definitely there's because their T-mouse was like 3K from the front line so you can hear whoa you know something's really going on it was kicking off like

World War II probably VBIDs suicide bombers. A lot of, a lot of, they did a proper pre-fire. So there was about an hour of rockets and artillery, like one-five, they had one-five-five-five.

Oh, shit. It was one-five rockets, improvised them, VBIDs, just pushing, trying to pass tell us why there was another town. They tried to come through. Anyway,

big fire fight, mass casualty. So, you know, Because when you do special warrants, like special forces, you build report throughout these months, throughout these roads. So what we did is we had a small medical facility at our team house. Remember, we're just, I don't want to say just gunfighters, but we didn't have a PA attached to us. We just use our skills. And to win their trust and their loyalty, because their main hospital is about an hour drive from their.

front line. We'd say, look, any Bobos stop at our team house. If we're not at the front with you, just stuff at our team house. If we can help, just, you know, stabilize you for the drive back to her bill to the roll one, let's say. And it happened often, you know, in afternoon, you're not deployed at the front. And then a guy shows up, he rolled his ankle, or he's, you got a straight bullet or whatever. So you do a bit of that. But this, this afternoon, it was a big push, so it was like non-stop. It truckloads, high luxe load. All the best medical training I ever got was there.

It was like all the injuries, you know, gunshot move, mangled leg, cut off arm, you know, open skull. Stuff that you even, wow, so much that we had to, you know, after a few hours, we had to have a PA, physical assistant, you know, Special Forces doctor, basically reinforced us. And then he took care of really the pride ones, try to stabilize them as much as possible. And then we put them back in their truck and then they wouldn't make the rest. I don't know the numbers. I don't know how many we saved, but we did stabilize a lot of casualties during that flood push. Um, we ran out of all supplies.

That was that many. We were down at like we'd grab from our bed or bed sheets from our beds making back in God. Yeah. And it was, look, it's a long story. I don't want to spend too much time on it, but lots of lesson learned there. Down to to the amount of stuff to explain. So the influx of casualties is

coming, let's say from the north, exactly north. They're coming down the highway. They're coming to us. Our team house is not ready to have, you know, 30 casualties at a time. We have one bed. So now it's outside on the gravel, you know, prioritizing and putting them on the ground. But also we weren't ready to get so much crowd. It was almost down to crowd because now the Kurds are extremely courageous, right? The people, the civilians, like, they are a courageous bunch. I respect them a lot. So when they hear on the radio, Daesh is pushing and tell us what.

There's traffic of civilians with AK-47s. Oh, shit. Traffic, nighttime traffic coming to see what's going on to help. So now I shit you not. At some point, there must have been three. hundred people just crowding our little space just there. It's crazy. Did you have to kind of take control of the tactical situation and start positioning them and organizing them?

Yeah. And, you know, my guys, man, the guys that worked with my heroes because I'm in charge of this. Until the officer showed up later, I'm in charge of this. So my 2IC is heavily involved now. Prioritizing casualties, you know, the guys are all doing medical stuff. Then I've got my 2IC, the push is that we don't know what's going on. They might be really common and there were only 4Ks away. So my 2IC is taking lead, tactical lead because really my job is to advise assess.

So I'm constantly running in between my team house. One thing I didn't explain is our team house was with the HQ of the Peshmerga for this, you know, so the curds. I'm constantly running to the HQ to try to advise them on what, because they're feeding me through interpreter. They took this mound. We're overrun there. Bring the planes. I want the bombs. I'm like, no, you got guys there. I can't drop bombs on your guys. Yeah, I kill them. It will save more people.

Like, I tell you, it's a long story. So I'm constantly running, checking on my guys. You're okay, but yeah, yeah, okay. Boom, back with the HQ. So that's why I needed help. You know, I called back at my clock. Overwhelmed work here.

Took a few hours. Got a Cesar major with me. He took that from me now. Now he's with the Kurds, advise and assisting them with what they need to try to control this mass of ISIS soldiers. They're now fighting with the position.

So they went through the, how do you call it, the NZ? Yeah. So they're now end-to-end combat, really, with the positions. Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. And again, the buffer now is 4K between, if they lose their position, if ISIS is strong enough to really push, then they're coming towards us. So we don't know that yet.

ISR is giving us intel. Info is coming in nonstop. I take it you used organic weapons defensively that night. Yeah, so, yeah, they didn't get their emails. We're going to bring the organic to them soon. They never got, they never got past the cursors are so courageous. They never got past the line. That's awesome.

The forward line of own troops. Never passed it. It was constant battle there. Timeline-wise, so picture this mass cache and us deciding to ask for support because now there was JTF2 in country. I forget the exact timeline, but early into the night, let's say around 9 p.m. that day, the officer now is with me and he's like, yeah, we need help. So we brought JTF2, a few JTF2 guys to reinforce us. They don't like that I'm going to say that, but I'm going to say it. Because it's not their mandate for Canada to advise us as a company.

So they took over control over T-Mouse, security of our T-Mouse, and then we went forward to regain the line. So you can see why. Yeah, yeah, JTF2 coming in to support Csore. Yeah, I can see that not going over well. Yeah, and, hey, it's manding. Yeah. But at least it tells you, 2015, we were owning our skills enough that there's a clean line now.

You're not going after HVT, it's not an hostage rescue. It's advice assist company and it's DA. It's us. So they came in, took control over T-Mouse to allow us to go forward. I think the officer took a great decision because the organic weapon, the engagement, because I knew the ground, you know, a lot. I said, look, we need more snipers. So we took two JTF2 snipers with us and a warrant officer to help the leadership.

So we could three assaulters with us forward. Basically, they kind of gave up the mound. I'm giving you a broad stroke here, but they pulled back from a mountain. Really, they were trying to take this village, tell us what. So that's the only thing we had to retake. The Pesh aren't equipped with 9 vision, so it needed to be a daytime. So what we did is it was, you know, our contingent of Kansoff. I don't remember exactly 15, let's say.

15 guys plus, I think, 2,500, pash. We, I decided because of the land, I'm like, I told the officer, I'm like, look, we're going to spend the night at this tank position. There's a tank position just not even a cave from the village, but we're going to bring everybody there. We're going to hold the ground. And then first light, good old, old school, first light, we're going to advance on the town. I've planned a plan with this office. It was all this plan.

He delivered the plan, but I helped him build this plan because I know the ground. So we decided that Kansoft would be in a school. It was probably the only two-story building in this town. It was a really small town. It's all single story, two-story, a few houses. But this one was positioned perfect to do a perfect almost L-shaped kind of support base and the Pesh would take the village back. So all cans of guys, we took control of this school that had two stories,

so we're almost second story, and then supported them, taking back the village with organic weapons, support weapons, mortar, and then the J-TACC doing his job with the stackyard. And obviously, a real gunfight, so, you know, took down a lot of ISIS guys that we could with our baseline. And the Pest did a great job, clear, you know, took hours, clear, clear the village, and basically push them back through the few, the few breach they made. And they retreated, basically.

Whelming fire, they retreated back to their side and then that was it. And came back their village. So that, that was the December 2015 kind of operating. What I'm like, you know, I really enjoyed that one. That was really, the entire thing, right? Yeah, yeah. Then with medical, then not. One thing I want to say too on this one is the reason that we kind of added a lulled, you know, we did the mass cash, then we want to get after it. They're coming for our team. I was like, let's go.

The old up here was our commander. the general of Gansofcom. The only reason we didn't get the green light to take our pash and go take the line back for it for it. It took like four or five hours of just waiting for them to come, you know? So we're on the rooftop or everything waiting, waiting for it to come because we couldn't get the green light. As simple as our commander was on a flight to the states.

So he's out of, it's how stupid it is sometimes, right? I've heard stories like that, yeah, like the commanders asleep so you can't get the airstrike approved. Yeah. Kind of. And that was worse because we got Kansoff guys about to be overran and they want to go and take the line back. But we have to wait for his command. And one thing I want to say back then it was General Rodeau. From what I know, I was in there.

Well, from I know when his phone started pinging when he landed and he's, talk to his staff officer. What I heard is that, hey, the Seesore boys are in trouble. Diasch broke the line, like, do they go or they retreat? And I don't know the words you use, but he said, they're not retreating. Tell the boys like leash off, go. You know, so I got to say, this commander at Balls and he did it. Because you understand Canada, right? We're really... You're very nice. Very nice. Yeah.

That's my personal opinion. But, you know, this commander, basically, I got to say, put his balls on the table, say now they're not. Yeah, yeah. Take the gloves off on these assholes. It was the right decision. But picture this. In front of a partner force, we leave them. Right.

Your credibility is gone. Think of the repercussion for future rotation and the relationship, right? So you did the right decision. And then the second deployment to Iraq, you kind of got to see the fall of Missouil, right? Yeah, I did, yeah. Summer 2017. So again, I got lucky. I was back in a – because that 2015 one, I kind of moved literally to be a commander of a detachment.

That's how kind of our – when you go up and rank – I was a specialist for most of these years, right, a sniper. Because in C-Sysore, we don't have snipers. in each detachment. We have actually a sniper squad, and I don't want to discuss more than that, but our snipers are all together. So I move literally to do punch in as a commander of gunfighters. And then right after that roto,

I went back to my roots, to my specialty as a sniper, and then there was a detachment commander. So when this roto came, now the war was moving north, is it north towards Mosul? So now our partner force became Iraqis again because you understand Mosul is Iraqi-centric. So they had to take Mosul back with the Iraqi, not the Kurds. And this rodeo about the same time, six, six, six, it was five, six months long.

Our job was to support the Iraqis and to taking Molo back. And that was going on for many months, but it happened that my rotation was the last, we didn't know it was going to be the last one, but it was the last one that they took. that they took West Mosul with that hospital complex that everybody saw on the news and stuff. So that was the last stand. They were surrounded. That was the last stand of that. And it was different because it wasn't trench warfare anymore.

It was urban. So, and I was a centric in a supporting, you know, in a sniper position. So basically, bare bone, old school sniper position for a few days, move your position every two, three days, you know. urban OPs. And we were at the front quite often. Spend, you know, a week and an O.P. A few days back to the team house, back with the Iraqis of the front. And went like this for months.

Many engagement. I don't want to say the number. But, you know, it's in the hundreds every two, two, three days, you know. Were you guys still with a partner force? Were you guys still with a partner force and kind of had a sector of the city? No, this one was different a bit. We were in a, we could only go, that's how it worked. We could only go and pick a building in a sector that our partner Iraqi unit was in.

Okay, yeah. But there was a restriction on us, and it's okay because we're snipers, so the range was okay, but we could not be within a kilometer of the actual flood. And it changed every day, right, because they're taking, it's urban now. So the Iraqis are taking ground or losing ground. And me as the commander, it was a restriction that they didn't want Cansoff within or closer than a kilometer. So it was a lot of work on satellite imagery for me to, okay, where's the front line today? Okay, I like this building, this building.

I'll go see this one. This one doesn't work. And then we'd spend two. Once you establish, the lines sometimes move closer, you know, but they're not going to make you, like, move and keep within a K. So, but to get approved to go out and need to show today's front line, and this is where I want to go. And then it's like, okay, you can because it's within the guidelines.

And that's all we did. But we weren't never, this store, I was, your question, I was never, sometimes maybe they were on the front, you know, I was never shoulder to shoulder with them. I'm supporting them now. Like bare-bones sniping of supporting own troops, protecting them as they move, blah, blah, blah. That's what we're doing. So more of like the observation, the reci, the airstrikes, things like that.

And then if they're in a gunfight, I'm trying to position myself to take down ICE that's shooting at them, you know. Like mutual support, or not mutual support, like close support. Yeah, mutually supporting fires. Yeah, they're not protecting me. I'm protecting them. Right, right. Any particular stories from that deployment that stand out in your mind? No, a lot of combat, meaning a lot of engagement.

We were far enough that Dash never reached us. They reached our building once in a while with sporadic fire or rockets or blah, blah, but nothing like that I felt, ooh, we need to move. I'm saying we laid waste. I can say it and I'm happy about it. We laid waste. This is the worst terrorist organization that I'm proud that I took down. And my guys and I took down a lot of them because they deserve it.

You know, I don't have to go into the horrific stuff that they were doing. That was my most busy tour. And it ended my career well. It was, I wish I did more, but for the months that was there, there is no crazy story like the one I just discussed in 2015. It's just, it was a lot of work and good work. And it was the, you know, like I said, I was a sniper for most my career. But that's the tour that was the most engagement. And one thing that I can say I'm proud of is I was a commander.

So I spent more time spotting, you understand that terminology. I spend more time in the spotting scope, finding target, and getting my guys on. But I was proud of that because my career was coming to an end. I knew it. And, you know, I can two guys get their first kills under my spotting. To an experienced sniper, it's the best feeling, right? And I can tell you that he's still serving. I won't say his name, but he knows who he is.

this first guy got his first kill at night, his pants around his ankles, because I'm on chef. And I took a lot. I love being in the optics. So I took long shifts. And I'm at night. It's like 2 a.m. And across, there was a small river in a way. I'm seeing across the river flashes.

So they're starting to just shoot toward their bank with machine guns, RPKs probably. And two or three of them. and I'm on the turmoil and I won't say his name because you know it's time for them to sleep so I'm just observing and I'm like get here get it get him so he shows up and he was so horny that you know he didn't even because we sleep with her boots on and her pants is so hot pants are down to the ankle you're sleeping like that just to tear out he didn't even bother putting his pants up and his gun is set up on the tripod ready to go you know like just bolt up, bolt open.

And this guy just come in, helmet, NVGs and just like, in his underwear, no shirt sits on his chair, like, where, where boss? And I put him on and boom, first round across the water running the chest that gunner is beautiful. And then the guy fives, big hugs, because it's his first one, and he went back to bed. Great.

And around this time frame, on this deployment, you also started noticing you were having like some cognitive issues, right? Yeah, yeah. So that's what I would love to get into after. I am not diagnosed, but I have it. And the reason I'm not diagnosed with TBI is because maybe it's definitely a error. But maybe I come from the old school mentality, you know, I joined in 2000.

it was still at the end of the 90s, like, be hard. And then we can discuss the injuries I had through my career, but many, many concussions. Some are recorded my records, but some are just like shake it off, you know, headache the next day and, you know, hard landing, parachuting, concussions from falling from whatever, you know?

So I bang my head many times during all these years. And I guess now I know, you know, I'm educated, you'll see I educated myself quite a bit on it. And when your brain rattles in your skull and people notice, but if you don't know, when your brain rattles in, it's in liquid, right? Look, I'm not a doctor or scientist, but I understand my brain is in some jelly inside my skull. and when it's rattled too many times, it leaves bruises on your brain pain. And not only people will think hard landing at night, parachute, boom, you knock yourself out, you've got a concussion. Everybody understand that. But just the nature of a soft operator being closed by door breach, wall breach, shooting, you know, 84,

that creates a vacuum. It is a mini concussion every time, right? Am I saying it right? The vacuum? Blast wave. Yeah, the blast wave. Yeah, correct. So blast wave. And what they started, because I love that now it's online and now they're researching it. But when I left, so I left in 2019, we'll skip that, but I decided to move to the UK in 2019. And just a few months before I left, Cansoff really started looking into traumatic brain injury, TBI, military-related traumatic brain injury. And just before I left, it was starting to be really a thing. And then there started being, okay, who's more prone? I remember that. And it came down to breaches and snipers. Breachers, obviously explosive, all day, you know, non-stop.

And snipers was more of a, oh, maybe snipers, we should do tests on them. Because they shoot these high, high-velocity, high-caliber rounds right by their head. It's probably doing something. So they brought us their range, just a flat range on base. And some doctors and scientists came to Toronto, I think. And they started putting these microphones that ever. And we're outside and we're doing it. They're like, bring the heaviest caliber you have.

So, okay, 50 kiln. And then we'll take, we'll take the can off, you know, because it's more blast. And they, I don't remember the numbers. But they took some, we took some shots and they're like, oh, oh. And then I tell you, Jack, they unplug stuff, re-plug. Yeah, because you maxed it out. Yeah, you maxed out the meter. Yeah, the system's not working.

You see where I'm going. And then we do it again. And they're like, this is crazy. This is like 500% more than what we see in the NFL. I don't know. Okay. Another day at their office. Yeah.

But we didn't even do it inside, Jack. That's outside open air. Yeah, yeah. Like I told you, we just shot 100, 100 something from inside buildings for months. You know, pick, I don't know the number. But inside a building, everything is more condensed. So back to your question. I don't remember when I started realizing, you know, that my temper is changing,

have a shorter fuse. Maybe 2015, 16. I started realizing that there was some stuff that I, It's not me, you know, drinking moreively, wanting to party, short fuse, memory loss, can't remember grocery less, blah, blah. But I don't say anything because first I don't want to get sideline and you know how it is. So I know there's people who are listening to this and they're like, oh, that's me. You don't want to get sideline with yourself operator.

You want to do as many mission as you can and blah, blah, blah, right? So it's when I retired. And that's the portion. I think it's important for people to listen because you're probably like me. You're serving. You have these things you don't want to talk about. When I left and I went in entrepreneurship on my own, then what's important to understand is nobody's paying me.

I need to make my own money because I'm my own boss. So now it's important that I got my money. my wits. And that's when it really started hitting me. That I could feel something's weird. And looking around and what do I do and I don't have the money to go private in the UK, blah, blah, blah. But then I need to spend money. So for me, I know I don't have PTSD, but I knew at TBI. Long story short, I went to Mexico and I tried DeZua, you sell. and basically, and again, I'm not a scientist, but I did, it's IV, and I did one IV bag. You call it the golden bag.

You pay for it. Could you tell us a little bit more about like what this is, what this treatment is, and like what it's normally used for? Again, so it's stem cell therapy, right? But I think they named it over the doctor in Japan. It's a lady. Her last name, I believe, is De Zawa. So she, I don't know when, she realized that muse cells,

I believe there's many muse cells. It's a thing. But she realized that there is one that was better than others. So that's all I know. But if you'd get this specific muse cell, yes, you know stem cell therapy. it will discuss in what it fixed for me for all my little bobo's that's instant almost whatever they put in that bag they put four different things so you're buying anti-inflammatory there's strong anti-inflammatory but the actual muse cell it fixes you know it's supposed to be able to rebuild cartilage a little bit anyway but but for for my brain it's supposed to last 18 months like the entire thing The process lasts 18 months. I tell you, Jack, three months into it, I woke, I swear, I woke up a morning and I didn't even know I had an A's.

And I don't know if, you know, you've been retired a while, but maybe people were relate to that. I didn't notice because it creeped in, but I had an A's like I couldn't concentrate, but it becomes normal. Yeah. Right? I was aging. how my body, all my brain was relating to it is, you're aging. I'm 42 now. Like, oh, you're aging. I woke up one morning. So that night, this thing just got rid of this A's of TBI to add.

I was clear that day. I remember exactly when it was. I'm like, ooh, I'm going to spend three hours at the gym today. Like, I had just more energy. And I can, you know, I'm a business owner now and I need to pitch client and corporate. I used to have, because I took this bag in March, so a few months back, I'm not even done the 18 months. But so before that, Butch would have to like practice and take notes and really go with notes or PowerPoint and have my cue lines. Now, no. I rehearse, obviously, but then it's

boom, boom, boom. My wife, you know, my beautiful wife can send me to a grocery store with a list of 10 things and I don't forget one. Before that, I would have to like, oh, send me a text. And then I would even sometimes in the middle, like, I have to look at the text a few times. So something happens in your brain that it fixes it. I don't get angry. I got a 4-year-old boy, you know.

A 4-year-old boy is like a raptor. It climbs walls. It doesn't listen to you. You know, anyway, mine's like that. And my wife really noticed it because he's like, there's so much more patience with your son. Like she knows I did that, right? And she's like, wow.

You know, so again, look, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, so, so basically my message to, to, to your listeners, especially if they have, uh, police, you know, background firefighters that knocks their head a lot. Like, there's stuff out there. And I'm not saying that to go to Mexico, but there, there, there, there's, there's, There's stuff out there that will fix you. And another thing, I got a friend of mine, he was a J-Tac with us, Gordon Early, he's his name.

It's mostly Canadian Tranchard, but if there's listeners in Canada, this guy was just last week at Parliament. He's trying to push psychedelic. You know, you're used to that in the States. Yep, yep, yep. There's two things. There's TBI. I don't want to speak all night about it, but there's TBI and there's PTSD. our government, yours and mine, need to realize that you don't have to put pills into soldiers.

I'll use soldiers because I have one, but law enforcement, firemen, EMTs. You don't have to fill them with pills. They should investigate, you know, the desire of mutual if they wished to or psychedelics, psychedelics for PTSD because does wonders. Gordon is big advocate and he's going to move the government into looking into this because he's out there with the media and stuff. That's awesome. There's, I actually, I just interviewed today earlier today, the director and one of the persons in the documentary he made, Marcus Capone, who's a former Navy SEAL. And this whole, this documentary is going to be out on Netflix next week and like a matter of days.

And it's all about these seals going down to, I believe they did go down to. Mexico and doing ebogain and DMT and you know the whole psychedelic treatment and I mean they're very open and very vulnerable in this documentary and I really encourage people to go and see it because it gets a lot of you yeah yeah and plus you know through your channel you got so much reach so I respect that if you're because I really believe in it now like it's real now I'm like I'll try it I think there's something for PTSD and maybe TBI, but psychedelics for PTSD. And TBI, they need to look at this bizawa because it works. Look, it saved my life.

Look, I don't want to go into details, but marriage is hard. Sure. Especially if you're all fucked up in the head. You do stupid things, you know, and now for months, me and my wife, my beautiful wife's pregnant now, and we're just happy. And it's because it is. I know it. Because it was, you know, it took months. But at some point, I'm like, wow.

Like, this is real, you know? So tell us about the 242 group. Mm-hmm. Look, this is the new adventure of my life. Long story short, because we've been on for a long time, I retired in 2019 and I sold everything. And I left to the UK with three suitcases, I think. It was to work for, for, in risk mitigation, head of risk mitigation for an entrepreneur or businessman.

And I did that. I cut my teeth into private security, basically. And that lasted better part of three years. And then I opened my own thing for two group. So just because I miss working as a team, you know, working for just one client, it was great. But I wanted to have a try and being an entrepreneur. So it grew pretty fast. We just did our third year anniversary, but I can tell you that I love it because basically

me and my three co-founders, which, I mean, I'm proud to say, you know, like I'm Kansoff and two of my co-founders are UKSF. And another one is from the Met Police, CTSF was like their federal counterterror police. So like the highest SWAT team. So that's the four of us that decided to start this and it grew in four departments. So basically we have, you know, a department that does risk mitigation. So the EP work surveillance investigation, the cookie cutter EP blah blah we have that that that was our first department but it quickly grew

into three more departments because we saw that us in our network because we're global you know guys guys from socom jes suck uh subcontract green berets blah blah blah name it we do stuff in the u.s through them we're in africa often so we decided to open um the uk gun laws, we can't have a school here, like a, you know, Constellas, we can't. So we have training teams. So our SAS, retired SAS guy, he leads the training department. So we do special warfare. We send training teams to the places we were in the Ukraine, but a bit, Poland, Africa, blah, blah, blah. So he leads that department. And then special projects, I don't want to discuss it too much because it's our coolest department, but it does stuff for agencies and government, uh, department.

you know, problem solving tanks, stuff that they need our expertise to do that they don't want to have their name attached, maybe. You know, so we work mostly for corporation too, but it's basically as, look, everybody has a special project department, but us, ours, that's what it does. It's fixed problems unconventional ways and blah, blah, right. And the thing that's interesting, if you go on the website, you'll see we got the MSU mobile security event. I'm proud to say we're the first in the world that has a purpose-built private motorbike escort service. Okay, not unlike what you see the cops out, you know, when they do convoys and have, but it's different for us. That's why we're the first one is. There's a specific problem in London, UK, and it's organized crime, but it's mopeds, you know, little mopeds.

It's called moped crime here. And how this department came to life is these wealthy guys there, they can't drive their super cars, let's say, in London, show it off, drive around. Because mopeds will come alongside, they tape rebar, let's say, to their forearm. So the rear guy will wait till the car is stop at a red line in traffic, smash the window, and what they want is this jewelry. You know, the driver will have a tech Philippe or they'll be. they steal watches, ladies, necklace, their purses. They don't steal the car. It's not an hijack.

They want to come in and they stab them when they threaten them with a knife to get their jewelry. So in 2022, how do we fix this? And the conventional way, same as in the U.S., everywhere in the world,

your client, as he wants to drive his Lamborghini, you don't put a EP guy on the seat next to him. You have a chase car. But in populated cities, then cities, it doesn't work. The response time, you get the range rover following the Lambo, if he burns a yellow light, then you're stuck at the, it doesn't work. But bikes, you're always with your client. And the mopas, they don't get close and you can react immediately.

So we have our, and we're, I found out we're the first in the world because I have to pay for the policy for this. extremely expensive. I had to go to Lloyds in London. Thank you, Lloyds. They had to draft a policy. And they're like, we can't find comparables. It doesn't exist. So I pay for the lawyers and stuff to do the policy.

Did sure everything. I think we have a question from a viewer. Oh, nice. Does that happen often or am I at first? No, people who subscribe to us on Patreon, we let them ask questions. All right. So from Lane Hutchinson, which CFB has the most unpredictable weather? Oh, that's an easy one. You must be Canadian.

CFB, Wainwright. It's got a microclimate. It's disgusting there. That's way up north, isn't it? No, central. It's in Alberta, if I'm correct. Okay, okay. I did a few training events there. I did one of my leadership course there. It's famous that CFB Wainwright, I tell you, it's like the breacon beacons here in the UK.

It will snow sideways in August, and then immediately after freezing rain, immediately after sun, immediately, like it's crazy. I think we might have a Wainwright in Alaska. I'm probably mixing the two up. No, I bet you, you probably ask. But yeah, so I don't know why it. It's got something to do with, you know, the Rockies and then whatever, but that base is horrible.

The PPCLI know it way better than me because they're the West Coast. Me, I just, because Kansas turns a bit everywhere, I visited a few times. And I know the rumor. It's true. It's disgusting. You got another one, D? Yeah, we got another one from Sean Dudley. can you tell us the most esoteric skill set you've been or seen taught that unexpectedly came in handy?

Oh, that's a good one. I need to dust off the TBI for that one. Esoteric. Please define the word esoteric to the French-Canadian. I think he means kind of like odd outside the norm. Like if you guys learned lock picking or something like that. Hopefully, as you can tell during this, what, 90 minutes we've been together or two hours. My speaking ability, even though I have an accent and don't quite speak English, good, talking my way into places.

And that goes with special warfare involved, building rapport with partners. Look, did the little example of me and Jay making things. and J making fake fake ideas. But talking my way out situation or in areas or talking my way into situation that will benefit myself, bullshitting. Bullshitting is the word. I think we prefer to use the term rapport building. But yeah, I try to keep it real.

here for your guys. Yeah, that's the skill that, and I think most soft, you know, soft unit, they need that skill, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Especially, I think special forces. Well, Butch, thank you for sharing your story with us tonight. This has been awesome.

And please tell viewers out there where they can find you, where they can find 2-4-2 group, if they want to employ your services, where should they go? Yeah, look, that's a good point, actually. We're doing good enough that we're going to, I think you won. Look, the paperwork is getting drafted. We will be in Florida, which I'm excited about because, you know, it's a good state. We're going to have a CEO there and so two guys will have an office there and you understand that world. We self-contract.

But the thing is, if you go on 242-group, You'll see our website. It will get all translated into, okay, now you're going to pick USA or the UK. But what I mean is all your viewers, most guys have retired soft background. And please go on the website, click on the department, see our story.

And we are global. We operate in the US via, legally via subcontractors. We have a great list of onboarded guys, because we don't take, it's not because you were soft that we take you. You need to have a certain demeanor and the type of experience and skill that we need. But we're always building a bigger network of operatives, you know. So go on the website, review the departments. If there's a department that you're interested in, there's an inquiry in the box.

Like I said, Q1, 2026 will need a lot of good operatives in the U.S. because we'll be based there now legally. So we'll be truly global for, so the plan is two four two group, the CEO, which JTS2 Colonel, to immigrate down to you guys, but he's happy to, he spent six months a year in him in Florida.

And I don't wanna say his name yet, but a CL Team 6 guy will be his second, second guy, so operation manager. These two guys will run Western Hemisphere. So now instead of time zone, and me, we were just in Brazil doing something pretty cool. Now, you know, this, these two guys will take Western Hemisphere from us, South America, USA, Canada will all be handled by them.

And then Europe, Africa, and we'll support each other, but you understand, trying to divide. Right. You know, you guys, you guys main task and support us, but main task will be Western hemisphere, eastern hemisphere with us. And then if it goes well still, then we're going to move further, you can say west or east, but we won't have a presence in Southeast Asia, you know. Oh, amazing.

I can tell you that my plan would probably be to have CEO, let's say, SASR or 2 Commando, you know, Australia based, and then it would take Southeast Asia from us. That's awesome. But I'm truly building a group. It's becoming a real group now. And if you're interested, in us. The most important thing to us is our guys. We will never compromise our guys for money because this world of contracting is a lot of paying the guys low wages, trying to make more

profit. Oh, the client said that so we make it happen. We turn down clients. I'm building a culture of what I miss because I miss my regimen so much. I miss these guys every day until I die. So what I'm doing in the private sector and my three co-founders are doing is building our own little culture of guys first, you know, men before gear, you know, that's what we're building. That's awesome. Thank you for letting me say that, you know. Yeah, 100% man. Use the volume of what you're doing. Absolutely.

Well, we really appreciate your time and spending some of your evening with us to tell us your story. So folks, I hope you'll go and take a look at 242 group. Sounds like they're expanding rapidly. And for everyone else, we'll see you guys next time. Thank you for tuning in tonight. Thank you, Jack. Thank you very much. Hey, guys, I want to tell all of you today about a new newsletter that we're launching

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