The Team House - Ep. 200 12 Hour Free For All

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

The chancellor of calendars presents an unscheduled list of semi-likely to happen events: -Drinks -some side scroller video games -cigars -Ground Branch game with the discord -Call of Cthulhu RPG game -Special guests! -Your questions, comments, bitches, gripes, and complaints read live -Dave slices a watermelon with our ninja sword Today's Sponsors: MD Hearing Aids So, if you want MDHearing’s smallest hearing aid ever, go to MDHearing.com and use promo code TEAMHOUSE to get their NEW Buy 1/Get 1 $149.99 EACH offer when you buy a pair. Plus they are adding a FREE Extra Charging Case, a $100 value, just for listeners of this show. So, head to https://MDHEARING.com and use our promo code TEAMHOUSE and get their NEW Buy 1/Get 1 $149.99 EACH offer when you buy a pair. https://MDHEARING.com use the code "TEAMHOUSE" Thank you for supporting the companies that support the show ! To help support the show and for all bonus content including: -AD FREE AUDIO -AD FREE VIDEO -Access to ALL bonus segments with our guests Subscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Team House merch: ⬇️ https://teespring.com/stores/my-store-10474963 Social Media: ⬇️ The Team House Instagram: https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_link The Team House Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePod Jack’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_link Jack’s Twitter:  https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21 Dave’s Twitter:  https://twitter.com/dave_parke?s=21 Team House Discord: ⬇️ https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6 SubReddit: ⬇️ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTeamHouse/ Jack Murphy's memoir "Murphy's Law" can be found here:⬇️  https://www.amazon.com/Murphys-Law-Journey-Investigative-Journalist/dp/1501191241 The Team Room Reading Room (Amazon Affiliate links):⬇️  https://jackmurphywrites.com/the-team-room-reading-room/ Intro music by https://www.youtube.com/user/RemixSample Want to sponsor the show? Email: ⬇️ [e-mail]  #200thepisode #theteamhouseBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.

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why don't you just send us an email and we'll talk about it. Special Operations, Covert Ops, espionage, the Team House, with your hosts, Jack Murphy, and David Park Hey guys, welcome to episode 200. This is happening. Are we live?

Maybe? We are live. Okay. All right, I'm going to... Are we chill or are we okay? I think that's the real question right now. Our moods? Well, it's a difficulty setting on this game,

but if you want to answer in more of a fucking metaphysical sort of way. I'm not chill. You are not chill at all. Nope, zero chill. Are you okay? Or are you gnarly? Hey, so welcome to the team house episode. Who's...

Oh, my phone is playing, uh... It's our first time, guys. I'm so sorry. I was like, where am I hearing that... I'm Dave Park. This is my co-host, Jack Murphy. Uh, for those of you who haven't caught this show before, this is not our normal show. This is our anniversary show. and we tried to get really high speed with it and we lost a camera in the process

we have messed up our audio in the process and it's good, it's good, life's good. We're just having a blast. But we caught all kinds of Ranger games planned today. Hopefully it'll be an interactive day with you guys because we really don't know what the hell we're doing.

As you can see, we have some board games We have Callo Kutulu, which we don't have dice for. I need to run out at some point and get dice. And other than that, it's an amazing day. I have a sinus headache. Yeah, man. I mean, we unplugged the camera. I unplugged the power and the HDMI, then plugged it back in to get a different view, camera view,

and then the camera just stopped working. I mean, the camera works, actually. It's that it stopped the tricaster, stopped taking the input. from it. I have no fucking idea. Do I have to like blow on the HDMI cable like a Nintendo cartridge or something? Like I don't. Oh my God. And for some reason my

Firefox keeps dying and I have everything on there. So All right guys. I'm going to We're playing shredders revenge. I'm going to choose chill mode. But guys, hopefully we can chill a little bit. All right. Combo attacks. XXXX.

Super attack is Y. Dive attack in mid-air is X. Okay, that's easy you know. There are 21 different attacks. I'm going to see which ones you remember. There's going to be a quids. Rising attack, X and A. Okay.

Swing, hold and release. Somersault slice. A-A-X. This is fun. We have a lot of guests that will, we hope that we have a few guests coming by later. Quick stand Aples giving them some pizza Oh here we go

I'm on Super dive somersault Why I wonder if that's just a splinter move All right Dave choose your character here I'm gonna be Leonardo Somebody's gotta be in charge Dee What a shocker Someone's got to be in charge

Do you turn your controller on? Yeah did you pair the controllers or is it paired Yeah It's not connected. Yeah. Hey, Dee, um, let's see here. Is there any way you can get down there and hit the pairing? There isn't a pairing button.

It's supposed to connect automatically. Oh, is it? Yeah. The button is right here. Might take a sec to connect. It shouldn't really. Hey, my duck, dot go would not support Combat That News. Recently, Combat That News got dropped by on Patreon.

Does he batteries, Jack? I put brand new ones in there, like yesterday. LB is fine players. Is that online or is that local? What is going on here? Drinking the other half of any of the other than that. I see all know drinking other half or any of the other awesome breweries in the crappy city of New York.

I don't drink a lot of beer. Jack is the beer guy. Have you heard of the other half? So guys, while we're trying to figure this technology out, Jack's going to hit it with a hammer soon, we're yours. Why don't you ask us any question you might have? Dee, come sit down.

A lot of people haven't met you yet. I don't want to sit there. Dee, come on. Show the people putting on your face. Is that a thing they say in New York? Do women put on their faces? Is that just a Midwest thing? No, people, fraud say it here.

Why is literally nothing working? Like, we only spent hours and hours and hours. So if you're here at noon on a Friday, you probably have nothing to do like us. Hey, guys. Dee needs to sit so we can see a screenshot more emojis from the Discord. Oh. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, they need more emojis.

You're going to have to move over close to me, D. No, I've got the whole thing, no? No, no, because I'm showing the... It's mostly Jack now. plumber who's come and fixed it. No, it's good, bro. It's not pairing. It's not pairing to the Xbox.

Do you guys hear me? Is this loud enough? Could you guys hear D? Stressed out. Stressed out today. I'd much rather have like the heaviest fucking interview on a Friday night when we have some issues

like in the tech call than doing this. Dude, there are like fucking 12 year old kids that stream games to like millions of people and we can't get a fucking Xbox control. did you go to Columbia they don't not for this I was like I was one of what do they call them humanities oh my God I wasted my time that's one step up from liberal liberal arts wasted my my time in years of my life on a college education yeah sorry guys I have been

missing a few lately I like threw my back out really badly so I I broke my back in Iraq and so I have a lot of arthritis, and unfortunately because I'm getting a little bit older and fatter, and I haven't been hitting the gym like I should. Everything's gotten weaker, and so I threw it out. Like, what was it, two weeks ago, three weeks ago? Yeah, then you re-injured. And then I re-injured it. There we go.

I got you. What was it? It was a button. You were right. There was a button there's a powering button there, right? I've never once used that before. Oh, really? No.

Choose your hero. What's the outside perspective of recon Marines? I've always had great impressions of recon marines. You know, they, uh, consonant like professionals. They always did more with less. You're from the old core, Dave. They got like Alps Corps helmets and multi-can now. Yeah.

All right. Ready to roll? Yeah. Yeah, I guess they got some money. Oh, can we, do you skip this? Yeah, I can skip it. So, quick question for you guys. Do you guys use the skip feature when you're watching like,

on you know Skip intro? Yeah Intro An intro's annoy Like I watch it one time Just to see what they've done Except for our intro

I watch it every time All right Where's the foot clan Hey Dee Can you read any comments That we get on I just did there How'd I do that

Do that again Use your super attack bro How do you my super... Oh, why? I don't think I got it. Dave, who'd you pick Donatello? Yeah, I'm Donatello.

Ugh, come on. Huh? Donatello. Judging much? A little, yeah. Oh, it's Bebop. Oh, fuck. Who's this asshole?

So, not to be a downer, and feel free not to answer, but what was the outcome of the subway attack on David a couple years ago? Was the perk caught? Are you fully recovered?

Um, yeah. The perk was not, caught. In fact, they had problems even opening the phone that I took from the guy because of, like, privacy laws in New York, funny enough. And as far as my recovery, yeah, I mean, honestly, it's pretty much full. There's definitely, it added to my TBI's like, or, you know, it was another TBI on top of all. I've noticed that my, I don't form my thoughts as quickly, you know, and I lost, I'm hard of hearing in both ears and I lost, like, quite a bit more hearing in my left ear after

that because of the attack happened on the left side. But all in all, though, for what it was, I would say I had a miraculous recovery. You see that foot clean guy just hit you with a wooden spoon, like you was some Italian Grandma. Greek grandmothers do it too. Oh, do they? See, man, one world. They also hit you with...

They hit you with sandals, too. Sandals? Yeah. There you go. What do I do for work? They're doing yoga? I got in, I pivoted into cybersecurity and got laid off in December,

so right now I do a lot of interviews, job applications, you know, for work. Oh shit Come here, B-Bop Oh Hey, Dee, are you up on chat?

April O'Neill is so hot Want to touch the Hiney Understand. Agreed. Yeah, I get it. I was going to say, like, how do these, like, four teenagers that live in a literal sewer

have this hottie that's hanging out with them all the time? I'm judging Jack I'm not knowing other half. I actually know other half. We had other half at my restaurant a lot. It was like 10 or so blocks away from my restaurants. So I used to pick up beer from them a lot.

It's good beer. The brewery's cool. But on like Saturdays, they like, they used to do this. I don't know if they do it anymore. They used to can their beer. So like everybody from everywhere, it would be so packed out for people to pick up canned beer

from these guys. Did I judge those people for waiting online to pick up canned beer? I sure did. But it's a cool spot. You got to hold down X for the super attack, I think, with this ass with me. Oh, got me. Yeah, somebody asks if there's going to be any guests today.

Yeah, there's a bunch of people coming through throughout the day. I mean, we're going to be here in theory until midnight. There we go. So, yeah, we're having, should we just tell people who's going to be on the show? Yeah. We're going to have Alana, Duffy, Adam White, I think. Oh, B-Bop. Who else?

Kahn's from Barstool. Captain Kahn's coming through. Michael Ames, probably. Jack, who else? Jeff? Jack's locked in. I've never seen Jack, so... So in the zone.

Also, I have a little bit of beef. I brought it up offline, but... Jack bought a Dungeons and Dragons Tribunal Pursuit so him and Dave can win the fucking game. While everybody else is playing, and like, what the fuck is this? No. Just listening to you complain.

So, Jack, are you going to play some of the Grombranch with some of the books for later today? Yep. Yeah, tonight. No, no Milburn today. I think Andy's in where he lives. The Wagner Group is. I saw that, too. I didn't want to say it yet.

The Wagner Group is hiring, Dave. I bet they are. I'm going to see Andy. I'm going down to Tampa in May. I'll see Andy. The Wagner Group. I don't know, yeah, I was, I was busy fighting B-Bop there, but what was the, the, the, the, the Biches-Gripes complaints? I think so.

Oh, okay. I was talking shit about you getting Duggets and Dragons, Trevor Pursuit. There's B-Bop. Thoughts on two lamb training Chinese military and police. I have no thoughts on that. Oh, snap, here we go. Big Apple 3 p.m. Yeah, I don't, I don't have any thoughts on it because I don't know the details, and I don't want to, like, spout off on something.

than I really don't know about. Streets of New York. Channel 6 News. And there's a turtle van. Oh, they're stealing our hubcaps. Wait, why are we going to fight them? Why don't we just call AAA? Jack, how have you played this before?

No. Well, I spun it up just to make sure it works. For, like, four days in a row? You'll see how bad I am at video games, especially when we played Ground Branch. I mean, that game is just, I mean, it's a combat simulator, so it's sort of like a modern type of Rainbow Six, or like you get shot once and you're dead.

So there are times where you spin up the game and it's like, uh, and I'm dead. I'm so bad at like first person shooters. I used to play Rainbow Seed a lot. And my team would, like sometimes if I was down to the last person and my team was all watching me, they'd see me like sneak up on somebody. Like tactically, I can. play the games. Like I'd sneak up on somebody, but I can't

hit the shots. I'd be right up behind him, and I like miss two or three times, and then like they turn around and blast me in the face. I'm so bad a first-person shooter. Yeah, I had like a, also a 20-year hiatus

from PC games. I just got a new gaming PC in the last year. I was really into it when I in high school and then join the army and you know fucking other priorities yeah uh i think it was like maybe was it during covid i started getting interested in it again and just looking at it and seeing what was out there these days but i've had that pc for about a year now it's pretty

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next year i think we should just do a 28 millimeter scale miniature painting lesson it's more of my boomer speed than video games which we keep screwing up whoa you see before i fell down the manhole oh get the pizza can you pick up the barrel how do you grab oh that was not a good idea fucking a little bit like uh eOD there huh it's uh new york city there's just like 55 gallon drums of Napalm laying around on the side of the street. What's Infinite Power? What do I do with this? Good question. I don't know. That's pretty cool. Yeah, Jack should start a painting ASMR channel.

Jack should start an ASMR channel with him just painting figurines. A little bit like... And I just talk about like weird shit. No, it'd be like... Was it... Bob Ross? Bob Ross. Happy little clouds. Yeah.

Oh, shit. B.Bop's monster truck. Does Holden Triplett revised his role as Casey Jones in this game? I hope so. That's awesome, yeah. Dave. Oh, what do I do? Fighting Bop now.

I thought we already kicked his ass. No, that was, oh, this is Rock Steady. Oh, sorry. Yeah, Bop. How'd you do that jump thing? Hit A twice. as you guys can see like I suck at this game if this were

risk though I'd be killing it getting our asses kicked oh shit left button there you go come on come on oh no

that was some bullshit I'm turtle suit oh Dave best 160th story experience best man I don't know about best like everything those guys do are the best I tell you my worst

and it was my fault. I didn't, on a little bird, I didn't tie, I didn't tie on, like, right, right. And, like, I didn't get clipped before we took off. And so the whole little bird flight, I was like, hold on to my buddies, I feeling like I was getting, like my ass was sliding out from underneath me. Like, I was terrified.

I had, like, a white, enough. Brit. Yeah. That was my worst experience. Yeah, I thought I was going to get taken right off that thing. Yeah, those guys are consummate

professionals. Mutants over Broadway. They want to see some 007 goldenite. Do we have that? No. What do we have? We have this. You guys might recall that I put out the call for games you'd like me

to download and purchase before the show. I don't really know any games. We can, I think we can always, like, go to the store, right? You get something while we bullshit with everybody. Go to the store, dude. It's online now.

That's what I mean. You just download this stuff. That's what I mean. So, let's hear it from everybody in the audience. It's watching right now. What was the first video game you ever played in what system was it on? Oh, shit. Yeah, you.

Mine was Super Mario Brothers and Duck Hunt on Nintendo Yeah Yeah like the original And Duck Hunt was awesome Duck Hunt was like my favorite game ever I used to sleep at that fucking gun With Duck Hunt?

Yeah And then I moved to Sega Genesis Oh What do we got? We got Oh this is an Xbox warm plan on Resident Evil Sonic Genesis

combat Atari 5600 MSGS 1 What's MSGS 1 Metal Gear Solid? Oh Metal Gear Solid Pitfall Atari I love pitfall Mike Tyson's Oh God I got you

Uh Our infrastructure is falling apart Fucking Holland Tunnel Tuck somebody wants you start streaming on Rumble Has anybody else ever had Tetris streams I used to have Tetra streams When I play that game too much Yeah man

I would like dream about blocks falling. Jack, please start streaming on Rumble. How do I get this game? On Rumble? Is that like a gay app or something like that? No, it's like a right-wing one. Same here as Mara.com. I mean, I'm not opposed to it. I'm just saying. I'm just asking questions.

Jack is on Grindr if you guys. Oh, the Foot Clean has jet packs now? Crash Bandicoot? I haven't had lunch. and yeah you want to like order a pizza or something which seems apropos for uh the game how do you get this game this game is just in the this is in xbox one so i imagine it's in the store you can get it off of steam or

yeah in the xbox store wherever you want wherever you want it came out like a year ago it's sort of like a retro game like they made it to look like a retro game like we grew up playing but it's actually this came out like not even a year ago i think Solitaire Pol position Custer's Revenge on Kaliko vision Oh yeah, I used to have a Kaliko Oh, I missed the pizza

You got it Did I? Yeah, you got it Nice Uh-oh Turtle Tenderizer This is messed up, bro Oh Jackson, Brooklyn, I'm in Queens

Oh, I need help He'll eat Oh Jesus Christ Yeah, you can't jump on it because you get knocked back Oh, geez, I'm just getting hammered by this thing This is like the rear Humvee in a patrol down highway one Like blocking out all the other traffic

It's like blackwater on a typical Monday Oh, we both got hosed Nero Hey Jenkins Let's see here What that place you get from Marios? I think I thought you said

Danny's. Yeah, I think it's Danny's. Jack, what's your research process when interviewing people who have already been interviewed? I just read their book

or whatever. I don't like go and watch their... No, we don't. You know, we don't watch their other interviews when we interview them because...

I don't want to. You know, I want to just go into it clean. Yeah. And I think that normally like not I think that we interview people in a different way than other shows do so even though like we might get crossover information

you know people have to tendency to tell the same stories because they're the things that stand out for them everybody has a different interview style so I think that one of the things you know Jack and I have a very specific interview style I mean Jack and I both have very different interview styles

but together that's a very like specific interview style for our show. So we hope that, you know, when somebody, you know, goes on somebody else's show, and then they come on here, it's not just like a repeat of everything

everybody's heard before. And one of the things that we do sometimes is, like a lot of people ask us why we don't have, like, you know, a lot of the, you know, bigger names that you see on all the other shows. We're not opposed to, having them on, but we also want to give a voice to people who have not been interviewed a lot. That's not always easy to do.

Jack, thoughts on Adam Curtis's trauma zone? I loved it. Yeah, watched like all seven parts of it. It was great. With all the studies you guys have interviewed, would you consider to be your next major master interview or a dream interview? Do you have a dream interview? I mean, my dream interviews tend to be with, like, people that, like, you would not have heard of. So, oh, shit, we're in the Central Park Zoo now. So, yeah, I mean, they're like, like, I'm looking for, like, more like the, like, Mike Vining's of the world, right? Like, people who, they had, like, really intense careers and did a lot of stuff, but they're not necessarily, like, public figures.

like Mike Vining became one kind of because he became a meme. Right. And he's such a nice guy. He's a really great, great dude. But those are the types of people I'm looking for. So like even if I started saying names, like it doesn't mean anything to anybody. You know who I'd like to have on the show? I'm trying to get Phil Riley and I got to keep hassling him. He's also a really nice guy, but he's also very busy.

I'd love to have him on the show. All right, Rumble in the Zoo. Oh, this is the giant turtle, the mutated turtle guy. And what's the, is he a ram? Bebop and Rock Steady got hauled off. All right. And no, we haven't had Chris Van Santon on the show. We'd like to.

I mean, he's been on a bunch of shows already. Yeah, again, like these guys who have been, like, interviewed, like, 100 times. They've done, like, six-hour interviews. Right. Like, what the hell am I supposed to interview them about that you haven't already seen? Yeah. And, I mean, we had Jesse Betcher on who was on the same team as Chris Van Sant. who hasn't been on many shows at all.

Same kind of badass guy with same kind of badass stories. I'm not opposed to Chris Van Sant coming on because he's got a great career, but it would need to be like a year from now. You know, sometime needs to pass. You just got to get close. Yeah, there you go. He's cinches up.

See how he has that grot wire? That's fucked up, man. Hey, guys, I always wonder. I was always curious. Did you catch any flack for having? Matthew Colon. I mean, no more than we normally do.

Like, a lot of people... Get butt hurt? Well, a lot of people... You know, like, there are comments, but we get comments on every show. And there are people who... Who's that big frog guy?

Are you a friend? He has kind of a smiley face on, but, like, he has a morning star. He looks like he's a pal. That doesn't seem like he's just like a, you know, curious bystander. No, yeah, he's got... It's not even a morning star.

Isn't that like a, is that what it's called? Yeah. Yeah, morning, sir. I mean, for us catching flack isn't really like a, so far it hasn't been a real thing. We have people complain about us. I mean, Matt Cole's episode did whatever, 150,000 views and like another 30 or 40,000 audio listens. And on the YouTube, it's like 96% likes compared to like the little majority of that. I mean, I just laugh when people get upset.

it's like, fuck man. There are always going to be people who are sensitive about stuff. They may agree with what it is. They may disagree. You know, people tend to think that we're seal haters. Okay, thanks. Like, we'll have seals on. We've had seals on.

We're not. We make fun of them because. We've had a lot of seals on, actually. Because that's just what. The thing like being on the inner webs is like people are so sensitive and like, I have to be careful, like even if I just make a totally innocent joke about like dogging on Marines eating crans or something, man, there's some people on the interwebs that are going to get offended and they're going to get upset and like, oh, Jack, why are you such a dick?

So, but I know when people just get upset about like somebody I interview, it's like, I don't know, why should I care? I don't know. It's like a personal problem they're having. Talk to your therapist. I can't help you. There we go. That's a super attack.

You got to hold down X. Oh man, look those two tigers, man. It looks like they're about to break loose too. That doesn't look good. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Yeah, don't worry about it. Just save yourself.

Save yourself. Calabunga, dude. Come on. There we go. I got you. The monkeys are throwing poop at us. Bebop. He's having a heart attack?

Shit. Like, when we had Mark Denbo on, you know, there were a lot of people who didn't like that because, you know, he has certain worldviews that a lot of people, a lot of our viewers don't disagree with. But we also don't, you know, we don't want to just have people on that. I thought it was hilarious how, like somebody left us like a review. Like, what were you thinking having this liberal lawyer on the show? It's like, I don't know.

I mean, he actually defended, you know, Guantanamo inmates. he has like some interesting knowledge about things like I honestly don't understand I think it's like a newer thing where people get like really upset at the interviewer for doing their job and interviewing people yeah and start saying like why are you platforming this guy it's it's it's platforming so now it's you know whether it's a conservative or liberal figure if people don't agree with their worldview or something else it's like oh you're platforming it's like well we're also we're exploring yeah we're exploring a you know a different way of thinking. Like, I don't, you know, necessarily agree with, you know, everything that every guest we had on. How could you? But we're not here to argue with that. How could you agree with everything everyone else thinks at any given time?

Like, that's unrealistic, right? Who are these two idiots? I don't, dirtbag and ground chuck? I don't remember these guys at all. Oh, my God. Hey, Jack, did you deserve at Benning in 03 and 06? Yes. Can you just look to some of my uncle from lost side of family?

Give me a ride in Iraq O'5. Didn't know him. He worked in 160th for 22 years. Holy shit. Jason Keller House. Hey, Jason. Last time I saw a day play game was Final Fantasy 7. Good to see you.

Yeah, man. Jason, nice to see you on here, man. I got you. I'll try not to waste it. Get out of the comments for a second. Oh, I need your help. I need bro support. you see him playing the Game Boy

What was I doing, man? Yeah, you're playing it. I think it's the same, like, it's likely the same acute psychology event response for road rage and such. People listen to your content and subconsciously adopt

this similar creator as a friend. Yeah, that could be too. Thanks, Jason, man. I really appreciate it. Any SWCC guy, SWCC guys lined up in the future? Swick guy, Does he mean the special boat teams?

I think so. SWCC. No. No, not at the moment. I don't think we have any special boat team guys. We have some seals lined up. I know. What has become of this podcast?

This used to be an honest podcast. This used to be a good podcast. When we used to like go over like three news events and drink and like criticize them. And there's like a bottle of a, what? Lafroy is gone and we're swearing words. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. This used to be an honest podcast. It was just drunk army guys. Now, you know, we sold out. We sold out. We took the money and ran. Yeah. All of it.

Yeah. All of it. Yeah. Dave drove up here in his Lambo today. Yeah, exactly, man. Yeah. Exactly. With my chauffeur behind me.

Jack and Dave, would you guys know if the U.K. Special Forces Group emulated the 7th Rangers when they stood up in 2004 5. I know they're a different structure talking more about the concept. Is he talking about the Special Forces support group?

I'm not... Oh, support group. Yeah, no. That's not like Ranger Battalion. The last I knew they weren't. But, I mean, things change too, so... Yeah. People don't want to assign to you to you the social and cultural position and in the attendant gravitas of journalists

so they feel they can get away with more scathing criticism of York. Well, I mean, they criticize journalists too if journalists write a story. Like, it's one thing to criticize a journalist for writing with bias, but

these days, if a person is a, quote, liberal or a quote, conservative journalist and they write a story that's factual, people, but it supports some, something that or brings to light something that somebody on their side doesn't like, then they will criticize them.

And people will always criticize journalists on the other side. I'm just, I'm so numb to it that I don't really pay attention anymore because like, there are people who say like, I'm this crazy liberal. There are people who say I'm this crazy conservative. There's people who say I work for, I'm a, I'm a shill for the CIA. There's people who say I'm a shill for the FSB. It's like, it's other, like, I can't even get, be bothered to like, waste my time with that kind of stuff.

Yeah. You know? It's like, what for? Like, I have my own work I'm doing, like, that I think is important. Like, why am I going to focus on what some wine ant on the internet thinks? Yeah, it's just not my drama. You know, if something I do or, or, like, something I write is not accurate, there's something factually wrong with it. Like, yeah, we definitely need to address that. But I said something you didn't like. I don't know. Talk to your therapist. I got nothing for you, man. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, people could, like, I know that a lot of, I've been criticized a lot in the past on this show for my interview style because they joke around a lot, because sometimes I don't. You told the joke, that's like the cardinal sin.

You're not allowed to tell jokes anymore. I also, I ramble a lot. I, you know, sometimes when I'm asking a question, again, I'm a little bit slower these days, so the questions don't form as quick. and I understand those criticisms like but that's you know one of the things that we talked about like when we

were talking about the format of the show is we wanted to be like three guys in a bar yeah yeah not like a an actual interview which we do interview but more like just sitting around and talking and so there

might be times when the guest says something that causes Jack or I to think of a story or something similar that we went through and we share And it's not, like some people say go, oh, why are you guys talking? And it's like, well, because we're having a conversation. We're not, you know, that's why we're not, that's why we have a relaxed area. Again, also the nature of doing live interviews, which no one else is, I shouldn't say no one else is doing.

But very few podcasts are doing the interview live. So when you see other podcasts, like there's post-production, it's edited, it's all made nice and clean. Like people get mad because like I interrupt the guest. It's like sometimes I have to because otherwise we're going to be talking about, you know, Ninja Turtle games for an hour and a half. It's like I only have this person for two hours. I'm not going to let him talk or her talk about how their experience in Marine boot camp for an hour and a half. And then we only talk about some massive battle they were in for like five minutes. Yeah. Like I then I'm not doing my job, right? Yeah. And sometimes like people go, oh, well, you interrupt the guest?

Like, well, the thing is, is it we both understand that, like, when you've, when you've told stories or when you've talked about yourself numerous times, you get into a pattern of doing it. And sometimes a guest says something that we want to drill in on. And sometimes us drilling in on that thing, you know, where they were just going to blow by it. Yeah, yeah. And just keep talking. For sure. Telling a story. Like, we drill in on something.

And it brings up, you know, the human. It brings up something that we wouldn't have gotten if they were just telling their story. You know, like we're trying to get to know the person. We just don't want to hear the story that you would read in a history book, right? We're trying to get to know the person. And so, yeah, sometimes we do interrupt the guest because we want them to go deeper into something that they just said and rolled right by. Are you guys ready for episode five here?

King of the Spill? It looks like we're heading to the Upper East Side. Jack, Jack, did you want to go seventh group versus fifth group? I didn't necessarily have a preference other than I did not want to go to 4th Battalion because those were the expansion battalions. So we were going to have to stand it up. I wanted to deploy as fast as possible.

So, I mean, I wasn't averse to go into fifth group necessarily. I mean, in retrospect, I mean, fifth group is terrible. Sorry, guys. Like, that is not the group to go to. I mean, there are great teams there and great, great team guys there. But, like, in retrospect, would I rather have gone to, like, seventh group or tenth group? Like, yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Fort Campbell. I mean, even, like, Fort Campbell in Clarksville, Tennessee, of the places I was stationed, that was the nicest. But I mean, that's in comparison to Bragg and Benning. Or I'm sorry, Fort Liberty, we're supposed to call it now. Wait, Fort Benning is Fort Liberty? No, Fort Bragg. Fort Bragg?

Yeah. Why? Because Bragg was a fucking treasonous Confederate General, bro. Didn't you know? They're changing the names of all the bases. How can it's not... It's Bragg, right? How come it's not like Fort Benevitus or something?

Why Liberty? I think me... Okay, so there's a big controversy. about that. But it sounds like the Airborne and the special ops guys couldn't come to an agreement on which dude they would take.

So the story, the official story, it sounded like a 9-11 truther, the official story is that they were doing their like town hall meetings to try to figure it out. And a gold star mother stood up and said,

my son, you know, we're never going to come to an agreement. My son died for liberty. and everyone was like, oh, that's it, Fort Liberty. The story sounds apocryphal to be generous. I don't think anyone's really buying it. But that's where we're at. That's where we're at, folks, with Fort Liberty. I'm just really upset that the shopping center

that they were going to make at Fort Bragg, it was going to be the Freedom Shopping Center. There's going to be a black rifle coffee there. I mean, they were going to have everything for the troops, man. on Fort Liberty at the Freedom Shopping Center. But, you know, we can't have nice things in this country anymore. So they're not going to do that? Nope.

The shopping center got the chop entirely. You see him biting me? Yeah, these are the Rat King's robots that they would go around and catch the rats for them. How do you guys plan to develop the channel and content going forward? Your interview skills, audio video, even set of developed our past year into a really solid package. Thanks, XV. I mean, we're just going to keep on keeping on. Yeah, I mean, as far as...

That's a cool move, but I have no one to hit with it. What move is that? That was the impossible to block attack, I think. Yeah, I mean, like, kind of like our big move over the summer and coming into this studio, I mean, we kind of, like, have everything, like, on our dream list and everything. As far as what we wanted to do, I think that... you know, really it's just about improving, you know, production quality

when we can. But, I mean, I think really here for the next year, just focusing on doing good interviews is the most important part. As far as like, do we need like new cameras? Do we need new this, new that? Like, eh, I mean, of course,

you know, there's higher quality stuff out there, but I mean, we're pretty good where we're at. I got our internet sort of. That was a nightmare. Yeah, that, that for sure. that was a four-al-armed shit shows you need bro support oh you son of a bitch that little fuck

what does this thing jumping everywhere does that fucking frog do anything yeah if you get hit by the steam oh no oh we're lighted like we're on a morgue table uh the vibe format of your show is brilliant it does feel like having a drink with the guys thanks that's that's really our

our goal Dave yeah coming did you ever do you guys ever consider the long walk also what unit sets guys up best for selection Ranger Regiment

SF SIF it doesn't matter just train up for it did you guys ever think about going yeah that would have been the next step if I had stayed in but I had been in two special ops units at that point as like do I really want to try for a third

and I mean it's also like I was what eight years in having to decide like do I really want to do 20 because if I reenlist again, then I'm going for 20 because if I could have extended, they actually wanted me to reenlist and they were going to send me on a deployment to Yemen, which would have been kind of cool. In retrospect, it's a good thing I didn't go on there because the team sergeant got relieved in theater and sent home.

Yeah. Yeah, I actually. There he is. There's the Rat King. I actually did the PT test for it and got excited but when I did the PT test for it

I had a broken arm at the time I had a cast and and I asked them you know I asked the recruiters like hey can I come with a cast it was a half cast down to my wrist and they were uh and he said yeah we don't care but then a good friend of mine who had been there

uh chan who was my sniper section leader basically told me that there was no way in hell that i was going to go um with a broken arm oh and so i listened to him so i decided that i decided to go to college so i took my SATs and stuff like that which I was 30. Oh, no. And then 9-11 happened, so I didn't go to college. But those guys are awesome. Son of it.

Rat King's a punk-ass bitch. I hate this guy. Oh, no. His fucking New York City sewer rats. Oh. That's a rat. Oh, shit. Oh, no.

Yeah, so the internet problem somebody asked was Spectrum. Spectrum fucking sucks. Don't ever buy Spectrum ever. Yeah, Spectrum blows balls. Fuck them. We have Verizon Fias now, which is like lightning fast. And, yeah, the Gowanas... Gowanus is like turning around now, that area in Brooklyn.

It used to be fucking gross. Oh. Goanhas. Oh, I need gross support. It smells so bad. Yeah, well, that canal is like... Oh, no! That canal is actually where the turtles came from.

Like the Ninja Turtles. That's what, like, mutated them. It's, like, gross. there but they're like turning it around a lot of like they rezoned a lot of it too so they're going to be putting up a ton of condos and stuff over the next like five or ten years

you got them Dave I think it's great you guys do that that way not many are great at communicating like myself for example I don't talk much unless the right questions are stressed I'm naturally I'm a naturally quite individual yeah Jack was what was fifth group's SIF rep

when Jack was there was it like a big deal or not some say they're like Delta Light Uh, my impression, I mean, I was never in the SIF, so, uh, but as far as like their role in the group, like at the time, it seems like they were the focus. Yeah. Like everyone was like the SIF. Yeah. And it was like everything else is just like, it was this kind of like weird high school sort of like thing where it's like, oh, they're the seniors, you're the freshmen, you know. Just an impression.

It's just the way people talked about it and like everyone wanted to go to the SIF. And everyone who didn't basically was like going to selection. Like no one, when I was there anyway, like no one wanted to be in fifth group. Right. Everyone, like everyone I knew was either getting out, dropping flight packets, going to other units. Like, it was a weird time. That's my experience anyway. I know for some people, this is like sacrilege that, like I say, anything bad about a group.

But I don't know. If you had a good experience there, I'm happy for you. Well, and I mean, it was a little bit later on in the war, right? It was 2008, I think, when I got there. Yeah. So a lot of those guys had done a lot of rotations there. I mean, yeah, but then when I, like, when we went to Cephaelic and it was all SIF instructors teaching it, I mean, it wasn't like impressive or anything. Like, one of those guys had an AD the first day out at the range.

Like, it was just kind of like stuff like that. And everyone's like telling you, like, these guys are our left. legends and all this kind of stuff. It's just like, I don't, I don't get it. But hey, whatever, man. That's all ancient history now. Who cares? Yeah.

Pizza's coming from Danny's, right? Yeah. Seventh was in the middle of the move during 0205, I think. In Florida, Eglon or Edwards Air Base always forgot the name of it. It wasn't bad there. They shut it down in the tens. Hmm. Jack, did you ever work closely with the SOT A's when you were at 7th or when you were at 7th?

No, no, we didn't work with SOTA teams at all, actually. Yeah, no. Jack, is there a difference between the activity and Delta Force AFO? I mean, pretty much all these units have these different AFO and RECI elements, and I mean, sometimes they can overlap quite a bit. there are differences in capabilities but I mean some of these are even like joint endeavors

will it be paired up but is there a difference I mean I'm sure there are differences and they're training for different things and they're being put on different missions but I don't know how big a difference that really is at the end of the day yeah

there's a whole like deeper conversation to be had there maybe yeah Dave, you were a ranger pre-9-11, right? Any notion of how it changed from pre-9-11 to post-GWAT, aside from the more obvious thing, that virtually all soft units started doing DAs and whatever. Yeah, so, you know, what I know about, you know, the regiment now is just from talking to people.

Like Jack was, you know, a post-911 Ranger and talking to other people. would say that Ranger Regiment now is more meltdown. It's a much, it was great when I was there. I loved it. I would say it's a much better place to be now. They become a lot more professionalized in the sense of they weren't just looked, they became, you know, less than just the, you know, the Army's premier light infantry and blocking positions for Delta.

like they they actually came into their own as you know a a direct action force they came into their own as you know a you know that has a lot of their own support internally now they have their own you know like their intelligence their dog teams like they have a lot of that stuff where a lot of that was not going on when i was there you know i mean when i first got there it was like there's no such we had no support element whatsoever. Right. The platoon did everything for themselves. But I mean, right now there's there's cuts going army wide and soft is having to take some of those cuts too. So like some of those support elements and stuff, they're going to get trimmed down. I don't think you're going to see any of the line guys go away, but more like some of the support,

some of the staff functions are probably going to get trimmed way back. Probably no officers. Yeah, no, they're going to, they're going to cut officers. slots. Yeah, they're going to have to. Let's see here. Hi from England. What SF unit would you love to get on the show? Like what? Nolan, what do you mean by that?

Like a unit we haven't had or somebody, you know, worldwide or what do you mean by that? Boring question, but how much of an advantage would joining an an orienteering club give someone headed to RASP or SFAS? lot yeah yeah a lot um like even with GPS like land navigation never goes out of style and a lot of the selections uh that you will see in the army i can't speak for other elements but in the army are going to use some element of of land nav and and it's just a great skill to have you guys ever heard any stories about guys from alabama national guard 20th special force group vietnam era green berates doing private

funded anti-com missions in Central America during the 80s. I mean, that's an extremely specific question. I guess no. I mean, I've heard of SF guys doing all kinds of weird shit, but Alabama National Guard specifically doesn't, nothing comes to mind. What about Jocko on your channel? Yeah, I don't know. Like, Jock has...

He has his own channel, man. He has a large public presence and he's been interviewed a lot, I think. like I we wouldn't be a we wouldn't say no but again like we have limited last week you know because we do one show a week like we're already booked out like three months so so to bring on somebody who has like we would our channel would grow by leaps and bounds and we would make a lot more money if we had on all these very famous people that that's like the the YouTube template that they tell you to find famous people yeah have them on grow your channel I love that template but

I hate it. But also, so we're not opposed to having, you know, people who have all this exposure. You know, it's just that when we're planning our show, we were generally trying to get people who don't have as much exposure. You know, and that might be somebody from the soft community, but it might also be a CIA analyst. Yes. Speaking of which, Dave, I'm going to. I have a book for you here. Noisse.

So the way to, like, reverse that where we don't have like these big names. games on and like you know where we give away give a spot away yeah that that dude uh he was a hughy pilot in vietnam oh amazing flew so the move is this guys hit up whoever your favorite podcaster is outside of us because we're number one in your heart and your mind forever but hit them up and be like hey i want jack or i want dave on your show like lex friedman that's one i have hey fellas or we could just like share and subscribe to this channel too would be great. Share it with your friends. Sign up for our

Patreon down in the description. You can get all of our episodes ad-free. I don't think we're going to have ads on this ridiculous one, but... We had one already. Well, we had a live review. Oh, yeah. No, we'll have ads on this. So, yeah, man. Hey, look, we're at 69.6 subscribers. Can you guys get us to 70,000

subscribers tonight? Yeah. We're looking, we want to hit 100,000 by the end of the year. Yeah, I think we'll get there. So, yeah, man, if you guys are not subscribed, subscribe and uh you know also you might want to hit the bell icon and select all notifications because even if you're subscribed you may not get notified when you go live um if you have not hit the bell icon so or also besides that tweet at lex freeman and say hey i want jack murphy on your show yeah yeah jack jack is why are you why are you pimping me out yet no jack you much

better interview than i am we all know that so i don't i don't mind i can see dave on like a Sean Ryan show or maybe like a stump something like that. Ready for the mall? Yeah. Hit them up guys. Tweet at them. Mention it. It helps big time. Grow the show. That's the game

you got to play. There's four turtles in the team. Oh shit. Oh, we got to smash our way in. Do you think the private sector is being overly securitized by all the former CIA FBI people starting consulting firms? That's nothing.

new. It's been going on forever. I don't know about that. I think it's very concerning to see a place like Twitter and others like staffed so heavily by former FBI people, you know, just because

it starts to especially have you guys read anything about the the legislation on the quote unquote TikTok ban?

No. Like, it's not, it's ridiculous. I mean, it's what you expect from our government. It's, um, it's essentially not just banning TikTok,

but it's almost an, a patriot act for the internet, which, I don't know. I feel it is, and, you know, it's very much against the principles that,

our government our country's supposed to have um any good news regarding robert bear on the show um i haven't contacted him um he's another guy like he does interviews all the time what is what is what's the team house really bringing to the show to the table there a foot playing guy working the register yeah i know you see that shit got a part-time job oh we're taking the escalator oh are there any Are there any units that, any kind of house, whether from the states or any place else, are there any units that we want to have on that we have it? Anybody from any units?

The Foot Clan? Let's start with the United States first, and then we'll go anywhere. I want to have somebody from the Arkansas National Guard on. Yeah, you have a special place in your heart for them. I have a very special place in my heart for the Arkansas National Guard. the guys that were in Baghdad

around the 2004 to 2006 time frame those days were fucking badass love them so much I want a British SAS guy but they're not going to be able to talk really yeah Ian said he may come by letter

Ian you better Ian who? Ian who? Ian is who? Is Ian Scotto? No That's, you're not your buddy, um, that we had on the show for the 100th? Yeah, Ian Scott. Carusia guy. Oh, Corrusha guy. Oh, no, that's Ian Scotto, I think. Oh, is it Ian Scotto?

Yeah, bro. Come by. Yeah, come by. It says Ian E. Ian, uh, is the co-host of the Battleline podcast with Chris Tanto Peron. Great, great podcast. I recommend Gary Barker, Vietnam Era SF guy over at Kentucky. Jerry Barker. Chris Hedwitt.

Yeah, Ian, you definitely. to come by, man. Get your ass over here. Ready? Rob Riggle. I would love to have Rob Riggle on. I just, I think Rob Riggle is an amazing dude. I think he's hilarious. His Navy SEAL sketch

was probably the funniest, one of the funniest. If you guys haven't seen the Killing bin Laden sketch he did, look it up and watch it because it's fucking hilarious. David Ayers, somebody asked about David Ayers.

He'd be great to have on. I've emailed Dave Ayers. Yeah, I tweet Adam too. Why the snub, Dave, what I ever do to you, bro? He'd be great because he was a submariner. Yeah, yeah. And he's a film director now, too, so I'd love to talk to him. Somebody said to interview me.

There's nothing to interview. I got nothing to say. Oh, I disagree with that. I think interviewing Dee. Dee has had a glorious past. He used to own my favorite wings joint in New York. I mean, we might do it. impromptu interview with D

tonight. Yeah, it gets to know D. Depending on how things go here. Yeah, that's, no. Thanks, though. There's not an interview. I'm just some jerk called from Brooklyn who tricked Jack

at the hiring me when I know nothing about audio and visual. When is Dave's book him out? Well, I don't pay you much, so. Good point. I'm not doing an autobiograph. My memory is so bad that basically I'd have to find

everybody I ever knew to remind me whatever stories there were. It can be like fucking memento or something where like you're working backwards to understand your own life. Okay, yeah, it was Ian Skato. He said he'll,

he may be all swing by later. Ian, you better. Now that we know that you're aware of this, you better be here. Longtime fan, Jack, used to listen to you during the days of Brandon Wise podcast, soft-five.

Me and Ian. Yeah. D, your commercial for the fake Ginzu restaurant was brilliant. Oh. Hey, D has actually made a movie. It's on YouTube.

Check it out. It's called Jimbo. It's actually a feature-length movie. Definitely do yourself a favor and check it out. Thank you, David. It would be interesting to listen to a combat veteran from a non-special operation unit for a change. We've had a couple of on. We'd love to have more on.

Like, look, we... Shredder! We've talked about this a number of times on the show that... you know, special operations gets a ton of attention. It's the sexy thing. Who the hell is this? But those,

the conventional guys, both in Iraq and Afghanistan, were out there like hooking and jabbing all the time without nearly the amount of support that the special operations unit had. So we would love to have those guys on. You know, if,

you know I'm sending them our way there she has hit her hit her took my ex-wife oh no I went into the fart cloud oh you can't hit her while there's there now no now no no no whatever ads is out huh there there there there shit oh I'm in the fart cloud come on come on oh I think our pizzas here there there there there there there there awesome dude I'm part of the foot clan I'll do an interview nice I can't cook musacca or pastitio or anything like that. I usually... Say what?

Somebody said I gotta have me cook up some musacan and pastitio live on air. That's like Greek fucking lasagna. Yeah. And eggplant. I can't cook that shit. I can eat it. I can't cook it. I'll get somebody to bring us from our Greek restaurant called a Vali Greek kitchen if you're in Brooklyn.

Marcus, I've actually watched... I've heard come town like maybe once. It's pretty funny, though. I like to stave the Greek dude. Jack, do you believe that Robert Bear... fourth van theory? I mean, I know it's very controversial. I've, you know,

spoken to people who think it's total bullshit and think that Bear's a huckster. There's a pretty, like, good academic paper that came out about it, like pointing out problems in his book. I mean, do I know for sure, for fact? I mean, the problem with Robert Bearer, I mean, it's not the problem with the theory.

The problem is that Bear pinpoints Paul Redman without any actual evidence that he's a traitor. I mean, it's kind of a big thing to say that somebody betrayed their country without knowing for a fact. Yeah. Did you guys ever have an interaction with TFO while serving and do you plan on having anyone else who served in that unit on the show? Love what you guys do and keep up the great work. I interacted with those dudes.

I've had a little bit of interaction with him. I didn't get a plain pizza. I hope that's all right. that's good oh shit yeah and we try to get those guys on the show when we can

but I don't know maybe I'm not sure I don't remember my memory's not clear I can either confirm nor deny oh what happened

the world but one of the challenges of getting people on the show isn't just it's not just, you know, the secrecy with which within they operate. But after they get out, there's a lot of pressure on them community-wise, and this is for a lot of units, community-wise,

to not be the person talking. And some guys will get like PNG'd, that's persona non-grata, is kind of like shunned basically by their unit, even though they're not anymore. Like nobody wants to give up their past. You don't want your friends to not be able to touch you anymore. Well, it's not, Jack and I kind of disagree on this as to why. Like, it's not, for me, I don't think it's just because they want the government contracts

and things like that. Like a lot of these guys truly feel like loyalty to their unit. And I'm not saying that People who speak afterwards aren't loyal. It's just that when it's kind of bred into you to not talk about things, it's hard to get over sometimes. So, yeah, so we would love to have, you know, more guys from, you know, different units on. It's just sometimes hard to get them and talk.

I mean, it's interesting to see the last couple of years, the amount of guys from supposedly, you know, shady, spooky units are doing podcasts. Some of the people who are talking would not talk 10 years ago. I think, and I think it's a good thing. I think that, you know, I think that even the CIA with their, you know, their PRB has gotten, they've gotten a lot more lenient, I think, and people are allowed to say more. obviously as long as you're not giving away tactics techniques procedures

or you know endang ongoing operations or people who are still active they should be able to talk you know a lot of people give them a lot of people criticize them because the whole thing about you know the

the quiet professional right and so when somebody comes out and does talk then they get slammed by some people in the community for not being the quiet professional. But the quiet professional is kind of like while you're working, right? You don't, you know, go out to a bar and like, you know, like the sketch, until I read I shop bin Laden. A lot of that is just about crusty old guys who feel like they should have the spotlight

and they get mad when some other guy is out there talking. You know, some dude who was like a Sergeant Major, and now he's been contracting his SOCOM for 20 years. Like, oh, this guy's capitalizing on his military career. It's like, so are you, bro. Like, if you didn't have 75th Ranger Regiment on your resume, you would not have that job you have, making hundreds of thousands of dollars off the government's teat.

So, I mean, I take a lot of that kind of stuff with, like, multiple large grains of salt. Jack, did you run into Jamesville? or Jim Peterson while in SF. No. Dee, you can talk about dirtbag, somebody said. Yeah, that I'm good at. I'm expert level at that.

We need more of our Greek God, Dee. So we're halfway through the game. All righty? Yep. Mm-hmm. P.S. I geeked out over the TFO interviews, too, but it's like how many of those I can't really talk about type interviews can you guys do?

I totally understand the limitations. Dee, I think somebody just called you a Italian man. Where was that comment? They called me what? I'm Italian, man. You call me Italian? How dare you, dude? You're crazy?

D equals self-pissed Italian, man. Self-pissed Greek, man. It's close. How about that Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan? That guy had a crazy career. It'd be cool to hear about intelligence work he did after Beirut bombing. Yep, my friend Keith Corp. Wrote a big piece about him.

And here's the Discord over there is humming. on my PC i'm gonna go muted but i believe we do have everything set up to play ground branch tonight oh you got it d yo jimbo yeah it was almost yo jimbo it was almost usagi yo jimbo can we get more hrt operators on the pod seems like they're the only unit kag guys respect i'd like to get more of the seals i'd like to get more of those on i saw um um um If you watch, look at that new Netflix documentary. It's called Waco American Apocalypse. It's pretty well done.

Chris Whitcomb is on there. He was an HRT sniper. I read his book like 20 years ago, more than 20 years ago when it came out. Could try to track him down. And also on that show was the FBI negotiator, Gary Nosener, who he's going to be on here next month. Got him coming on. Um, more J.R. Seeger, dude is a beast. Yeah. Guessing dirtbag history is a thing of the past. Don't see it anymore.

Unfortunately. Why is it a thing of the past, D. I don't know. I don't listen. I mean, we got like 200, 300 people that would listen, which is fine. I don't know. I hate the sound of my own voice. Plus the team house. It's all about the team house, baby. Maybe we'll do them. me and Jack spoke about like a year ago

but then he figured like he learned what Hinge was and he never we never did the history of mercenaries with current events the way they are it would be good to hear first hand

from the Burland Debt A guys the Pat Mac interview is awesome it would be great to hear more Bob should rest go look scroll back our archives and find Bob Charest, who's a dead A guy.

And then get Adam White back. Adam might be here tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Jim Morris's soft mag work is super interesting. I knew he had him on the podcast. He did a piece on

Jonathan Adema back in the 90s when everyone thought he was legit. Staff Sergeant, David Blu... Believer? No, Believia. Medal of Honor is a funny. sob. Yeah, that'd be great.

Just finished watching the Dienbe and Fu the movie is pretty good. I haven't seen it. How about getting soft ends who went into the acting world like Tyler Gray of Seale Team Show and Jeff Bosley on the show? I met Taylor years

ago at a shot show. But again, it depends how many times these guys have been interviewed already. maybe. I don't know the other guy at all. James Steszskal was a debt A guy who went to CIA that wrote a book on it. He'd be a good one. I would never have him on this show because I think the way he behaved towards me was extremely unprofessional. And I'll just leave it at that.

What about former paratrooper Dr. Roger Brooke to interview? He's a professor of psychology and director of military, psychological, and president of the soldiers hurt. I found him very fascinating. He's in PA. That'd be interesting. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that'd be a great show. I think somebody else commented on that.

Congrats on this episode 200. Thanks. Thanks, John. Pizza is good. If you guys are in the Brooklyn area, Danny's pizza is really good pizza. When you get a microwave in here. Next thing. There's always something.

There's always something. You can always add. We have a mini-fridge. That's an upgrade from the last studio. Obi-1 Nairobi, a.k.a. Christian Craighead, would be awesome to have on the show. I reached out to him on Instagram one time, and he didn't message me back, so. He's also not going to talk about S-AS stuff, so. I'd also love an MI6 guy, but they're not going to say anything.

Muhammad Gulab. Wasn't he the guy who, the Afghan who took in Marcus LaTrell? I think he was. I don't know where he was, but. I think that's who that is. Jack, do you know if Rob O'Neill is still under investigation by NSWDOD for violating his NDA? I have no idea. Yeah.

What's your advice to somebody that's older, 28 and up who wants to enlist and go SF? I love what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work. Do it. Yeah, I mean, I was prior service. Like, I went into the military when I was 19, but I was 27 when I enlisted in the Army and went to Ranger Battalion. Like, it's not,

you'll be the old man, not necessarily at SF, but at other units, you'll be the old man, but 28 is still super young. It'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah, do it.

Will you interview John Strach and Fee? I mean, if we get them on the show, like, we're not opposed to it. It's just one of those things that, like, um, yeah, I mean, we're not opposed to it.

D, have you reached out to them? No, I mean, well, then he did like some four-hour interview, too. Yeah, so Shrek does a lot of stuff with Ryan Fugent, and we love Ryan. He's like, kindred spirit, Ryan has a good egg. Ryan's amazing. But Shrek's been on a ton of shows. Yeah.

You know, his experience is out there. Yeah. It's not like we wouldn't have him on. I'd be down to have him on, too. Yeah. It's just guys like that aren't really our priority. That sounds bad. He's a great, he's a gangster.

He's a great guy. guy. They don't need us either, I mean. That's true. Yeah. Is Bob Avaqua, the Green Beret, who used to be Fox's consultant when Iraq and Afghanistan was starting still around? I recognize the name, but I don't know him at all. I'm pretty sure that he ended his career when he called Al-Qaeda Pussies on live air. I think that was his last, like, consulting gig. If he did that now, he would probably be fucking gone viral. like he'd have a podcast he'd probably have his own show yeah yeah

but I'm pretty sure if I remember right because because I remember we were watching it I was in Iraq and we were watching it and it's like oh shit Primark Volka says I love your voice D don't stop doing it thanks dude yeah no but thank you

I don't know maybe we'll do it I don't know I'm scatterbrain bro plus jack rides me like I'm a slave so if you guys no good lawyer like a favorite lawyer let me know fucking unionizers I'm gonna hire private detectives to come break your legs union of one

Pinkerton yeah no this has been a glorious I'm almost here two years I think right April or May of 21 so the one time I thought about I wasn't like oh I'm gonna quit was when we picked up this

fucking aquarium that was the time where I almost I almost quit It was an absolute fucking disaster. Oh, yeah. I'll show people. This is the camera here.

Oh, yeah, okay. This is my ecosystem. That's the aquarium. It's beautiful. As you can see here, I don't have my mic on. They can probably hear me. Here. Oh, here.

You can see the two little clownfish swimming around in there, and we also have a bit of a hair algae problem. It's a work in progress. Yeah. Any plans to have an objective areas vet on the show? God, Jack. Oh, God. It came back on, though, thank God.

So there are two very fragile ecosystems in this studio. One is the actual ecosystem with the fish and the living things in it. And the other is this fucking tricaster, which has an absolute mind of its own. Yeah, I'm not sure what objective areas is. Oh, did Jack ever find out about the guy in debt A with the same name as him? You're talking about the Manosphere guy? Was he former dead A?

No. What's the question? Did you ever find out about the debt A guy with the same name as you? No. No, I have no idea. Why do former SAS guys not talk about SASF? Because they don't have freedom of speech in English.

Yeah, it's because of the secrecy act. The secret, yeah, they're under. like much stronger restrictions and most countries are like that they're under much stronger restrictions than we are here the US Constitution is a powerful document like there's no way this could even exist

and really any other country I can imagine right we have a live stream where a bunch of like ex-spies and shit come in here and talk about stuff like what? Like you never see that and yeah any other country I can think of also another guy to have on us Tim Bax

I love his book three steps to Jim I love Tim I've interviewed him before Tim's a really cool guy yeah I would like to have Tim on have you interviewed anyone who's served in the submarine force no no we have we have warm yeah but I don't know that we talked about their service

we did a little bit but no that would be that'd be an interesting interview Let's see here Any interest in interviewing a recon marine turned Navy chaplain? Sure. Absolutely. Just to mix things up a bit and maybe help young kids see alternate routes and options. Have you ever considered interviewing an Army SF, an Army Reserve S.F.

I mean, if they, you know, if they, like the reserves, well, first off, there is no reserve SF. It's all guard, right? All combat, armed. went to the guard in, I think, the late 90s or mid-N-9ers or whatever. But like an Army SF guard person, sure, if they had, you know, they'd been in combat or something, you know, we're at a state, or they'd been involved with something, we're at a stage where because of the G-WAT and because of all the places that people

have been since then and what's still going on, you know, like pre-9-11, you could interview somebody who had been in a special operation. unit about their time there and they hadn't seen combat and it's a cool interview. Now it's sort of like, like nobody would want to hear about my time in the Rangers, you know, unless we're just sitting around bullshit and because there's nothing, I don't say interesting, but compared to like what's been going on and the stories that are out there now, it's very low speed, you know, it has been 200 episodes. Let's see here.

Has been 200 episodes already. I remember episode one or two with John the 5 and Jack had four copies of Murphy's Law on his desk. Yeah, we have like 20 copies of Murphy's Law in the back now. Jack gives those out to the girls he meets on Hinge after their dates. Signed copies. Objective areas is a 2013, Moscow with 375. Oh, Mascao.

Oh, Moscow. Oh, okay. So yeah, I know someone who is on that mission could potentially interview them about it. There are three DSCs. I actually always had this idea in the back of my head of writing a book about there were three ops that happened in three days. There was, as I recall, there's a Delta Force op in Libya where they kidnapped a bad guy. There was the Ranger Op in Afghanistan where all those guys got messed up. And then there was a dev group operation in Somalia.

It was like three days in a row, if I recall correctly. It's been a little while. But I always thought that might make an interesting book because of the like time compression that like all this stuff happens sort of at the same time. But yeah. Any thoughts on Operation Ugly Baby? That was a 10th group thing. It's on the reading list today. I mean, we've interviewed guys, you know, Mark Giaconia, others.

Operation Dragon Lord I don't know what that is Somebody like testing my knowledge Of like The names of military operations This is going to be me During Dungeons and Dragons Trivip of Pursuit

What? What are these things? The war, the deep war Of the special ops world Address the Botox allegations Jack, are you taking Botox? Not yet. Not yet.

You heard it here first Jack denies the Botox allegations. Viamately denies it. Yeah, and look, I don't want to like, you know, I know some people are going to dispute this, but this is all natural. All right. I'm not on any sauce or anything. I'm just beautiful and jacked, just like I am.

He's on tomato sauce. I'm on dough. Ready for episode seven? Oh, there's the body. What's that guy's name with a body? brain inside. It's Shredder's boss. Special request. What? Oh, does this mean we can decide which one we want to hit? Or collect all VHS tapes

for Vernon Fenwick? You want to try to, I think this is an extra challenge. Yeah, let's do it. All right. Get all my precious VHS tapes. All right, bro. Oh, maybe they're actually in the in the missions themselves. Okay, so just keep an eye out for VHS. tapes, I guess. Any plans to have big Phil Campion on the show? Not the moment we could interview him

because he was in the SAS before they signed that big secrets act, the official secrets act. I mean, I've interviewed him in the past. I mean, we could. He was on he was on the SAS operation to Sierra Leone. Operation Barres, I believe it was, for whoever it is that keeps testing me. that's an interesting one oh I fell down the roof

oh I fell down the roof again that was cool it's playing his game boy this is like Sonic the Hedgehog music I missed the 8 bit stuff new Sonic was a great game I can still hear the music from like Marble Hills zone in the back of my mind it's somewhere etched in there

did anyone in soft actually take SOWTs seriously are they the weather guys. Yeah, but I never knew any. I never knew any either. And I mean, like, jokes aside, I would like to find one and have them on the show. Yeah, it'd be interesting. Yeah, because it's like something I don't know much about. Yeah. There you go. Power move. I heard Mark Nitch, a 24th strong guy is starting to guest in pods now. Yes, I met Mark for the first time just recently. And I would love to have him on this show. He's such a cool guy.

actually I have his book too that I have to read I told him I'd read it it's on my shelf and I was like I'm not BSing you I like do really have your book and intend to read it CIA veteran Cuba expert Brian Lattel

would be very illuminating okay I don't know him at all another good guy is Steve Haney not SAS but British Army Pathfighter platoon has guys took on 400 RUF dudes at Lungie Lungie Lowell and Sierra Leone.

Operation Dragon Wars and alleged CIA op, the mosaic effect on how Chinese communist party started, a hybrid war in America's backyard. Huh, interesting. Yeah, I don't know. When I hear stuff like that, I get pretty skeptical about people making some of these claims. Somebody asked me, actually several people have asked me in the last couple days, about CIA stalker teams.

What's the stalker team? It's something on YouTube, man. I'm like, I'm like, what's the source? on this YouTube. Like, yeah. What are they supposed to, like, be or do? That there were, like, some, like, NSA, CIA hunter-killer team or something like this. I'm like, yeah, that's not a thing, man.

Oh, you found a VHS tape. It's just swimming by blockbuster. Get all we want. Any chance you guys can land an interesting Space Force Guardian interview? No. The Space Force is too small. There's nobody, like, available for that right now. now. What the hell?

Any chance? Okay. Jack, any thoughts on getting old saint on? Who? Old saint? I don't know who that is. The old dictator Sierra Leone, Valentin Strausser does interviews for a bottle of whiskey.

If you find me, it'd definitely be done for it. That might be interesting. Interview a dictator, former dictator. I really appreciate you guys. having on journalists like Dave Phillips and Matthew Cole, any other journalists you guys have lined up or that you recommend to follow and support?

We might have Michael Ames on tonight, actually. Jack Dorfman's another good one. Yeah, Dorfman. He's a really good guy. Sean Nailer. Yeah, Sean, I mean, we'll have to have him up on the show sooner or later next time he comes through the city. It's me and him are, you know,

we're working together every day on stories and stuff. Oh, fuck. Come on, come on, come on, come on. Oh, God damn. That was bullshit. You see him just through this fucking mad minute, like spray and prey? Mm-hmm. We should, uh, immediately, like, download a golden mine or something.

Can you play two players on that? That's what people were recommending. I guess. But, I mean, do you really want to play it? Whatever. Dude, do you have any game systems? I have PS4. Yeah?

And I'm playing this game called Ghost. Sifishima. Yeah. It's fucking so good. I started playing it like the other day. But it's like a wormhole. It's like you open up another part of the map and then like you get 15, you know, five more quests. It's awesome.

Is it open, like open world type thing or? Yeah, I mean, I guess so. But I mean, no, I guess it's not like GTA, but you have to like, you're a samurai and your island gets invaded by Mongols. and you have to like payback so it's not really i guess it is open world but you have to like open up all the spots on the yeah it's fucking great we got my pc with highly modded uh skyrim on there oh highly modest oh yeah all the adult content uh i don't think there's adult content on there unless that like unlocks at like level 60 or something and they're like oh now we're giving you breasts or something i don't i ran right into it also be awesome to

get AJ Ventor on. He's been everywhere from Ukraine to... AJ Ventor? Yeah. Is going from Delta to ground branch of promotion, or is it more like going from being an apples line cook to being a subway sandwich artist? Who's tougher? Marine recon or Navy SEALs?

I mean, they're different jobs. You know, it's... Yeah, they're just they're different jobs. Like any skills, you know, from the people that we've talked to, you know, from like special activities division or whatever any skills you bring are a benefit but they're just very different jobs oh the footclan is very well fucking uh oh

well-funded well funded i must say what is well funded the foot clan must be super well funded they have like so much gear that's it's me seeing how erudisia is in a country anymore surely those guys aren't sworn to secrecy any interested in those guys leisure suit Larry. Holy shit, that's such an old game. I can't believe there's is there

legit a 2023 version or are you just making a joke right now? Because that's like kind of who we are, right? Leisure suit Larry was a game like, I don't know, late 80s, early 90s, sometime like that. I think that was when it was where like you went around,

you were leisure suit Larry and you, like, the whole thing was like trying to pick up chicks. Horrible. The flying high kick, man. Come on, bro. You're up. There's still making them.

That's hilarious, man. Oh, shit. Look at that. Oh, they're fucking with a statue of liberty, bro. Wingnut. I don't know any of these villains. The only one I knew was Rat King. Well, Bebop and Rock Steady.

So, does anybody, you know, honest, have you guys ever played like Zork or any of the tech space? adventure games. Not for me, no. I used to love those, but they're so frustrating because they take like very specific commands, you know?

Like, you know, you walk into a room and then it tells you that something's in the room. Oh, like missed? Is it missed like that? Where it's just text-based? Oh, no, it's not text-based. It's image-based.

Cool, we'd take written here. S&T Division for the foot must be insane. Yeah, man. If you guys get another HRT guy on, could you get a GWAT era operator? Seems like the new age guys are a different breed compared to the 90s, early 2000s. Well, that's when it gets more difficult because, like, some of the GWAT guys will talk. But the FBI is very, they tend to be pretty tight-lipped about, you know, about,

GWAT activities. Unless you get them out for a beer. Yeah. My favorite is DEA guys. It's been my whole life trying to get people to like tell me about secret shadowy government secrets. And you get a DEA guy on the phone. It's like they can't stop talking about all kinds of crazy stuff. Everyone else is like pulling teeth.

Yeah, DEA guys though. Like they have very adventurous life. It's true of cops in general, though. Mm-hmm. Because, I mean, after their cases are prosecuted, like, 99% of it is public. There's, like, no reason not to talk about it. Yeah. Yeah, that's something that's not addressed very often, you know, with cops.

But the amount of post-traumatic stress just, you know, we talk about it for veterans of seeing the combat. But cops, even if they're not, like, in a shooting, the amount of horror they see on, like, a daily basis. Oh, yeah, it's terrible. with, you know, like domestic abuse, child abuse, like all the, you know, accidents, all the things that they have to see. I, you know, it's funny how they're often portrayed as like these hard-boiled, hard-drinking, tough time in relationships. And it's like, well, there is a little bit of that. And there's a reason why, you know, like, they're not, they didn't grow up that way. Like, the job just, it's a hard job.

Yeah. Do you guys defeat Shredder or not yet? Not yet. We have four, four episodes left. We're getting close. Get an ATF guy on the show. I have mixed feelings about the ATF. You had a bad, and they come knock on your door? No, no. I just, you know, I, like, not about the folks in the ATF, you know, people are people just doing the job that they have, but I, I'm not, I feel sometimes

the ATF has been used by the government to go a little overbush. board when it comes to people's rights. Yeah, firefighter PTSD. I'm sure it is too. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, cops and firefighters is like, you know, people, well, not so much anymore, you know, people used to say like cops

and firefighters are heroes and stuff like that. And being a firefighter, I don't know, I think that is, you know, when you're like a soldier, like there's a good guy and a bad guy, at least, you know, in your mind, like, and you're actively fighting against each other. you're a firefighter like there's no bad guy for you to fight like it's just it's just a you know a contest of survival the entire way firefighter is a great job people love the fire oh yeah yeah well i was going to say when i said used to i was going to say cops and firefighters people still

you know people have gone kind of all shitty on cops uh lately um but you know yeah firefighters is it just seems like a great job because it's a part-time job for him, but also a really tough, tough, tough job. Yeah, it's an awesome job. I don't understand, like, I have friends who have gone on to become police officers. I'm like, why would you do that to yourself, man? It's a tough job. I mean, somebody's got to do it, of course, but, dude.

Any diplomatic security people interview? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Whoa, what's going on, man? We got someone on probably like a year's half ago. His name is Steve Silva. Check back on the. in the archive.

Crisis at Coney Island. But then, oh, you get it in the turtle blimp. That's cool. Okay. All right. Crisis of Coney Island. Oh, that's that alligator, man. Coast Guard MSRT might be interesting.

Yeah, I, that's on my list, man. I do want to this year have some of the coasties on, guys who have done like some of the missions overseas and stuff too. is something I need to work on and build some contacts there. I have a lot of respect for the Coast Guard. I mean, it's funny because they tend to be a lot of jokes about them, or at least there were like in the 90s, but their drug and addiction efforts, human traffic,

like a lot of the stuff they do is really just not covered. They're unsung heroes in a lot of ways. These guys are shooting plunger guns at us. plunder crossbows. Suicide rate has gone up with firefighters. I hadn't heard that. I didn't know that. Yeah, EMS is a thankless job. Absolutely.

Starting making 50. Yeah, EMS is a very thankless job. I still can't figure out what the deal is with this frogman who shows up once in a while. Wait, one enemy defeated using trap. How did you use a trap? Well, you see how the boards just pop up off the board? Oh, I see what they are. They're traps.

Yeah. That's where the traps are. I got you, boo. Let's turn in purple there. Oh, what I got going on? Get down there, Dave. It's the impossible to block attack. Oh, damn it.

Have you had anyone on who worked on the Joint Communications Unit? Not to my knowledge. Surprisingly few RRD, RSC interviews, at least in proportion to all the other soft units. Well, that's because they're much, much smaller. I mean, there's like fucking thousands of SF guys. and at any given time there's like what fucking 30 RRD operators but we do have an RRD another RRD dude lined up for an interview in I believe in June

because I am a river to my people you guys ask you guys ask for like people from the most like obscure like secrety you know squirrely units or like the most obscure office like Jack can you have someone from the CIA office of human resources on like I think that'd be a great interview. I try. I'm trying, man. I'm trying. We got Chris Miller on coming at the

end of the month. He was a secretary of defense. I'm thinking Donatello isn't the best choice in this game. Oh, pop a breed. Oh, you got to go and pump it up. He's got a fucking stick, dude. A stick. It's a bow staff, man. I have bow staff

skills. Yeah, girls only like guys that have skills, like bow fighting skills. Both staff skills. Favorite animals of Liger. I thought I was going to be a little Napoleon dynamite here. Shit. Someone asked if you would have anybody from DARPA on. DARPA would be interesting if they would,

if they would be willing to talk about some of the stuff that they're working on. I mean, DARPA does, they do a lot of really cool things. I think we should just like pick one. Here's a question. What do you guys think? I'm curious about what you guys think about the show. and Ryan's show seems to be getting more political and kooky with each episode.

I mean, I don't know because I don't really watch it. I don't watch it either. I've seen, I've seen like clips once in a while, I think, but I don't actually watch the show, so I don't know. Yeah. And, you know, it's sometimes it's something to be challenging not to be political because these, you know, it's,

with social media like politics is in your face all the time, a lot of people feel very strongly about things. Um, and also, honestly, being political is better for your ratings. That's for sure. You know, if, if you take a stance on something one way or the other, dude, if I just went all in on like the right wing culture war stuff, like this channel would have like five million subscribers overnight. It would be amazing. Dave really would have a Lambeau.

This is a whack-a-mole. It's crazy. Yeah. Get them. What? I don't know. Get him. Leatherhead.

Chalk up another win for the good guys. Three more. We're getting there. Being a cop is a better option than going to college. Great schedule, great pay, an early retirement. Sure. I mean, look, being a cop is, you know, especially in some areas like L.A. and New York, like it's a well-paying job.

And, you know, but there are inherent, risk with being a cop that you might not have say you know if you're an engineer or um an accountant or something else i mean i'm not like anti-cop i don't want people to think that but like i look at how many cops just seem totally miserable and hate their jobs yeah i i i think that it's hard when you're dealing with people on their very worst moment their worst moment and you're doing that every single day, multiple times a day. Like, you wonder why cops lose patients. I'm not talking about cop shootings.

I'm just talking about when a cop is an asshole. It's like, you're probably not the first person they're talking to that day, that week. It's a tough job. And I think it's a tough job to maintain your, like, composure, your equanimity, your sanity out. Yeah, no, for sure. Oh, look, we're over by the Williamsburg Bridge. and all the factories and shit. Not that those factories exist anymore.

Now it's a bunch of high rises and Zuma kids living in there. Cops are interesting all around. I feel for the unique brand of PTSD, but there is this weird middle place of not being taught the laws having the power to mess with someone's life on accident or will. Sure, I mean, you know, there are bad cops. It's like they're bad soldiers. They're bad doctors.

They're bad attorneys. And, you know, and cops, unfortunately, the ones that are bad, you know, definitely can have a lot of influence over somebody's life. If they're not taught the laws and if they're not taught proper gun handling procedures, if they're not taught things like that, you know, it's the same thing like when they arrest somebody for selling Lucy's, right? You know, single cigarettes, like what happened in Baltimore. The cop isn't doing that because the cop wants to do that. The cop's doing that because I was in New York.

Was it New York? Yeah, it's that. But the cops doing that because, like, the local businesses have, you know, convinced the local government to pass ordinance or that. And then, so then you're putting cops in these situations that can go really bad for selling a cigarette, you know. Having some CTSFO guys, I don't know, would be interesting. I think British SWAT, but again, the same issue with the, S-S-Fab would be cool. Guys, guys, guys, weird question.

But what would you guys do in a zombie apocalypse? Dee, go. What would I do? Yeah. I don't fucking know. Get the fuck out of New York. Number one. Probably talk to you guys about like surviving and shit.

Like, I don't know how to make a fucking fire. What the fuck do I know? I just shoot D in the knee and weave him out as bait. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I'd get the fuck out of New York, for sure. Do you know which direction you go? Northwest. I don't know which.

If I walked out this door, I don't know which way Northwest is. Just wait for all of you guys to fight each other to death. And I would emerge, you know, later on. King of the world? Yeah, man. I'd just be like doing air squats in my apartment and like kettlebell lifts. I wouldn't even masturbate. I'd be like just so laser focused on my survival goals.

And then I would emerge after the apocalypse like, you know, kind of like the main body of it had subsided, you know. Do you have enough supplies to last that long or like what would you do? Yeah, I mean, I have some stuff. And, you know, the pre-prepared meals, that'll keep showing up, right? You know, the ones that come every week. Like, that guy's still coming, right? Your meal prep guys are going to keep showing up.

I'd be eating fucking, like, you know, one gallon jars of tomato sauce from, from fucking the warehouse place. So D would bolt immediately. At least I would try to. That's the sucker move, man. Like, think about trying to get down the hutch or the Van Wick on any given weekday. Yeah, you're going to do it during the apocalypse? So, yeah, I guess hunker down.

What am I going to eat? I got, like, egg-a-waffles in my fridge. Like, what the fuck am I going to eat? Those seamless won't work. You're probably going to start eating human corpses to tell you the truth. Yeah, I eat my dog. You got to do it. You got to do in that moment.

Yeah, I guess I'd probably hang tight for a while. that's a good idea but you need food so I need to go buy some canned goods and shit I got some canned goods actually I'd be good for like two weeks two weeks I'm good you think that's like when the majority of people will be dead by then yeah I mean after a couple weeks yeah man they'll be parking that's good definitely be parking and I mean who's going to give you a ticket anyway right exactly yeah I uh I actually used to have a zombie survival plan until I saw

what was it? It was 29 days? 29 days later. And it freaked me out because my plan was for slow moving zombies. Because slow moving zombies, I do what I do what you would do, Dee. I would try to get out. Fast moving zombies, though, I don't know, man. It happened so fast. Yeah, I guess you need to, like, do some, like, surveillance on the zombies, see what they're, what they're packing. Yeah, fast-moving zombies, I'm not going outside.

Slow-movers, it's like you can fuck with them a little, too. Like, poke them and stuff, you can just run away. It end up being, like, the last of us, like, or, like, the walking dead. Like, the people that are more dangerous or the fucking humans. I don't know any guns here. Yeah, I'd be fucked. I'd be dead first fucking day. Would you guys try to help people or would it be like every man for himself?

No, every man for himself. Yeah. I will help maybe family and family. I will contribute nothing to the community. I would help family and friends, but that's where it ends. I don't know. Depends, man. I'll weigh that out when you come knocking on my door.

I might kind of be like, eh, this guy's kind of a dick. So you heard it here first, Jack Murphy. There are no friends in the zombie apocalypse. I mean, I don't think you're hearing that from me first. I hope not anyway. Speaking of Last of Us, I'm almost over it. To me, it's like the first season does not even come close to the first season of Walking Day. Yeah, I kind of agree.

Walking Dead Season 1 was sick. It was so good. It was good, but that show like rapidly went downhill. I haven't seen any of the new ones. You know, the way they have the characters talk or the acting or whatever where like the inflection in their voices are so obnoxious. It's like they're doing like the thing that like friends, you remember that stupid sitcom where it was, uh, it wasn't about the jokes. It was like the inflection in their voices. Like, Danny, can you be any more obnoxious?

And like that was supposed to be a joke and it just wasn't funny. And the Walking Dead was all, what was the main character where like he looks at everyone's sidewomen? weighs of, well, you know. Oh, Rick Grimes. And it's like, dude, like, Carl. This is just terrible to listen to. I never got that, but. Super flying attack.

Why, why, doing a backflit? There you go. Yeah, for me, like, the last of us, the pacing, like, it's had some really great moments, but the pacing is just really slow. Yeah, I mean, I enjoyed it. I don't know.

I mean, it was fine. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I feel too. Fine. I'm old enough that I don't, necessarily mind if it's like a well-done show. There's a lot of like quiet, like, kind of like,

there's a lot of like those like tableau type shots in that show actually. See, I don't mind quiet because like drive, you know, was pace slow, but, but it was like, they managed to create tension in the pacing. Same with lost in translation. It was based really slowly. I don't mind a slower pacing, but. He's a real fine.

though. Right. Yeah. Like you do like a Terrence Malick movie. Like those, some of his recent ones are horrendous. There's like no speaking in it at all. And it's just like two beautiful people looking at each other longingly. Yeah. Cut between like a fucking shot of like trees rustling in the wind. So yeah, it really takes somebody good to do that.

But I don't mind a slow burn either. Like I like slow burn shows or movies and stuff like that. The reality is I watch like very few, I don't watch a lot of TV. I mean, I watch shows once in a while. Let's see here. You're one of those guys, how you just read your leather bound books and stuff. Pretty much. Yeah, man.

If I look at like what the entertainment industry is offering versus like, you know, my hobbies or like things I can be doing with myself, like, man, why do I want to sit here and watch this show that I don't even think is interesting? I mean, shows are like big commitments Been watching a secession though And enjoying that Yeah, I like that show Succession, not Succession Secession, isn't it?

Yeah, they're not Succession The show Succession I haven't seen it It's pretty good It's good Yeah, yeah, it's the final season They're only doing four which I love I feel like more and more shows are doing that now

They need to Instead of sucking the fucking life out of them Yeah It used to be every show one at least eight seasons. But like if you if you can like tell a story in five in you know three to six seasons, I think you're doing good.

Have a planned fucking ending man. That was the problem with like shows like the walking dead. Like instead of just ending it, they fucking drag on and on and on. And then they kill everybody's favorite character and it's like, well, I'm out. Got you.

I'd probably become a cannibal. Yeah. Dave. I think that what am I doing? I just jacked those guys up with my special move. Take car, go to Mom's Kill, Phil, Grabber. I love it, man. Go to the Winchester. That's such a great show.

I love that movie. Metalhead. Oh, fuck this guy. Have you guys most seen Sean of the Dead? So good. Even the new House of the Dragon show, they're only going like three or four seasons. Like they said it from the get-go.

It's not going to be like eight seasons. But I mean, Game of Thrones. could have been great. I fucking hate Game of Thrones. Well, Game of Thrones was great until the end. Like, even the last season, like, the long night, I thought it was good.

I thought that episode was great, yeah. Up until the part where it was, like, really, like, comic book heroy, where it's, like, Brian, Jamie, and, like, a couple of the characters, like, fighting off the zombies. Like, they're the only one still alive. That was kind of whack. But the show, like that episode was pretty amazing.

Yeah. But the story was so fucking bad. Ever since John Snow beat Ramsey Snow at the Battle of the Bastards, season seven and eight were just fucking horrendous. Season seven and eight? I thought the Hodor episode was in season seven, wasn't it? Oh, maybe. I mean, that twist is good, but like the rest of it was so bad.

It was just so, I just, I just, I couldn't believe. what I was watching. I know I hated it because I haven't like rewatched the last two seasons. It was so bad. They just got, I mean, I don't understand it either. Like these two dudes, D.B. Weiss and Benioff. Just let somebody else show run

the show. Let somebody else who gives a fuck show run it. Yeah, right. When the, when the shit hits the fan, I'll be straight. As long as I've got my silent bags and can reach better help and reach my better help therapist. I love that. Yeah. Only if you can use

promo code team house for 20% off. Any thoughts on former CIA officer Andrew Bustamante, seen him doing the rounds at all the big podcasters? Looks like he's marketing the former spook here to tell you the dirty deets character. I don't know

the guy. I don't know anybody who knows him. I think they reached out. The thing, I don't know him either, and I haven't heard anything about him, good or bad. One of the challenging things sometimes with our show is people who have left a life behind and are now using that life to market what they're doing now we always give people time at the end of the

show to plug whatever businesses they're doing whatever they're doing but for some people that's their whole pitch or that's their that's what they want they want to say you know I'm a you know former ranger and now I make this great underwear let me come on your show and talking about my underwear. And that's not really what our show is. And even if somebody's written like a great leadership book or a great, you know, fiction book or whatever, we'll cover that, but we also want to talk about their time. And so I think that, you know, one of the challenges when dealing with people who are out there actively, like they have a publicity team and they're actively promoting and trying to get on shows, sometimes that's what they're

trying to and I'm not saying that that's what yeah no I got like a year ago I got an email from I guess it's like a publicist or something trying to like get him on the show and the email was like the names Bustamante Andrew

Bustamante and then it goes into the whole spiel and I'm like Degli like sorry man bad marketing maybe maybe if he had reached out personally and we had a conversation be different but you send me some spooky bullshit email

like that like now we're done out sorry yeah now it's him or that was just like PR people I think it was his PR people oh my god they paid people to do this I like don't don't send don't ever listen this is like fun fact pro tip don't ever send an email like that to me ever ever yeah you know

one of the so one of the challenging things is what the type of marketing that works towards civilians doesn't work towards us it doesn't work to our audience either yeah if you try to play that shit yeah like they do see right through it and i'm a civilian and i'm like if i read that i would fucking throw up in my mouth before i deleted like that like pre-canned fucking PR garbage yeah it's supposed to like make me say ooh wow like fuck off write a regular email like a regular human

being yeah yeah and yeah and the other thing is we've had a couple people sometimes like we've had people approach us and try to be super secret squirrel and they're in their emails and it's like look we understand if you don't want to say something in your email but like give us some indication like you can drop a hint and we're going to know like we

we know probably when you talk to real people they're not like that at all yeah we talk I've talked to I can tell no I actually I can't tell you all the people I've talked to I mean so many like people who did all kinds of like crazy shit and they're never

like that they're never like you know, I did some things. I was OGA, I can't really talk about it. You know, they're never like that. Yeah. It's never like that. Yeah. And it's, um, and like, we've had people

that have like dropped hints, um, but very vague hints and wouldn't sort of straight up answer our questions. And we've reached out to our contacts. Like in every unit, uh, you know, in every, you know, intelligence service, everything. Like, do you, you know, do you, you know, Does anybody know who this guy is? And people will be like, well, let's ask around and they do. And we do a lot of research because one thing we don't want to do,

and this has happened to friends of ours who have podcasts, you know, very, very knowledgeable people is we don't want to have somebody on the show that is a fraud. You know, like we can't help it if they tell us. And that's not saying anything about Bustamante. No, no, no, I'm not talking about Bustamante right now at all. This is totally separate. You know, this is just kind of a stream. unconsciousness from that conversation.

But we have, but like we've had it, like I said, we have friends in this industry, in the podcasting industry, who are tied into the different communities and have on amazing guests and have been fooled

by somebody claiming to be something they weren't. And the thing is, it can be challenging. It can be challenged to find out, you know, especially as Jack and I move on in age. And, you know, Jack's still pretty tied in because, you know, he's a journalist and he still talks to a lot of people. But there are a lot of people in these communities that we don't, you know, even our first and second degree contacts don't know.

But we don't want to be fooled. Like, that really harms the credibility of your show if you have somebody on that's not legit, you know. but it happens yeah I actually I think of a woman right now who fooled a lot of people got on she she got on like

she did like the whole tour on all the big like military podcasts and then it turned out her story was bullshit she acting like a gold star widow no no she was saying she was a soldier you guys need to interview someone who is in SAD we have like we've interviewed them

not a psycho though I don't don't Don't. Like, if there are... Special activities division? Yeah. We have guys like that on here all the time. Yeah.

Started training for a 40-mile ruck to raise money for prostate cancer. My uncle passed from it, our condolences, last weekend. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Got a full year to prep. Any rucking tips? Yeah. Don't ruck on concrete when you can help it. Mm-hmm.

You know, if you're going to... How much are you planning on carrying with your ruck? Like, build up to it. like take it easy in yourself because rocking like rocking will take it out of you and it'll beat you up if you're not prepared

so like start light start slow and then and then gradually like what I would do is if you're going to do a year then I would you'd backwards plan this is how much I want to carry for 40 miles this is the time I want to make

at that point and then backwards plan by the week, you know, and then by the day, what, you know, what you need to do to get there. But don't over train with rucking. Jack, anything else on that? No. I've never rocked a day of my life.

D.C. Nolan, being in England, we have lots of castles, so I'd head there as they're literally built to defend against large numbers, so I'd head to one of those. That's nice. A castle would be nice for a siege. You know, I wasn't really into, like, when the comic came out, I was aware of it. And I didn't buy it because it didn't, like,

it seemed cartoony to me. And I wish I would have bought ten of them. What, Ninja Turtles? No, the number one comic. They are so valuable now. What is number one comic? The number one Teenage Muti Ninja Turtle comic. Oh, oh, oh.

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Zombie Apocalypse and we're all going to probably fail our sand checks anyway, so it doesn't matter. Oh, you found a VHS tape. Yeah, you got to bust up like everything you can find. Oh, okay. Whoa, that shit.

High tech. Dave, I need bro support. Oh, this is going to be a first successful revival. Oh, no, you revived me once again. The T-Mouse teach media and culture 203 at the new school. spring 2020,

oh, Jack, somebody's throwing some shade on you, man. Yeah, brilliant. It deserves a response. Jack's favorite movie is the Hurt Locker. Oh, that's bad, man. What did I do to deserve all that? Can you block?

How do you block? There is. I'm not sure. Oh, what am I doing? Why am I doing the Game Boy? Oh, is that a healing thing or something? Oh, is that? No, you're probably doing taunting.

Oh, is that what that is? Yeah. Let's see. No, it's definitely Jim Cata. Now, I can get behind that. Jim Codda is a fun movie. It makes no sense. It's bizarre, but...

It's amazing. Yeah, Jim Cata is glorious. Especially towards the end. Like, the last quarter of the movie, it was like a different director just took over, it feels like. There's just, like, weird stuff in there. The book that it's based off of is really cool. I have it.

Yeah, you should read it. Yeah. Because I borrowed yours. when I read it. And I interviewed the author's son who, here's the special ops tie-in. He is the inventor of the Team Wendy helmet. Wendy was his daughter who died in a ski accident. So he wanted to do something to protect people's heads.

And the team Wendy was used by special ops guys for years. And he sold the company. The unit was a pretty good show. It's probably someone talks about it. even has an Allstate guy. I haven't seen the either. I don't watch, like, a lot of military TV shows or movies, like modern ones. I don't really watch any of them, but I think.

I just think they're so bad. The contractor was pretty good with Kiefer Sutherland and Chris Pine. The contractor? Yeah, it came out. Same guys who do John Wick did it, Thunder Road Pictures. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it's pretty good. Oh, we found Dask.

I don't know. Do we do anything about? wasn't bad. Huh, yeah, I wonder who that dude is. Do we do anything with this guy? I don't think so. See, there's my point. Uh-oh.

A book I really liked was Napoleon and Life by Andrew Roberts. Supernatural with his 956 seasons. Well, I mean, look, if you have a fan base and you can keep a show going, good on you. I just, you know, and there are some, like, I guess, you know, shows that can keep it fresh. Uh-oh. Jack has graduated from the caveman Kill Food with Rock to sophisticated aristocrat with fine wine and a

fireside study. Am I gay lover? Dude, this is just mayhem. Got him. Favorite military movie. D? Saving Private Ryan, maybe. That's a good one.

Jack? I don't know. I'm trying to think. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I love Heartbreak Ridge just for a fun watch. Is Omega Force considered military a room? You guys have never seen Omega Force?

No. It's 80s movie with Flying Motorcycles. It's another good military movie. I mean, I like Full Metal Jacket, even though it's not necessarily realistic at all. I mean, same with like Apocalypse Now. Like, it's a great movie. Yeah. Um,

the best part about apocalypse now is like a fat, um, what's the guy's name? Marlon Brando. Yeah. Where he's supposed to be in fucking Vietnam or wherever, like, living off the land. But he's a fat fuck. So that's what they like,

purposefully shot him in, like, shadow and stuff like that to, like, make him seem less fat. Because he came in for, like, five days. Supposed he got paid for, like, a million dollars. is a day back then. Holy shit. Is Conair considered a military movie? Conair is awesome.

Nicklaus Cage as a former ranger? Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, I mean, I, uh, well, like the dirty dozen. That's a good, good World War II movie. Um, I think with like the military movies today, there's like so many boxes you have to check, right?

Like, there's all these like, like, tropes and cliches that they have to hit, you know, and they have to support the troops at the same time. Like, there's never any, I don't think Hollywood, can make a critical movie about the military nowadays. Like it just wouldn't fly. They used to. They used to for sure. But now, I mean, like the model is like American sniper or lone survivor.

It's like these heroic special ops. I haven't seen any of those. I haven't seen it either, but they make shitloads of money. Oh, Blackhawk Down is a great movie, I thought. It's okay. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I thought it was great. Hey, Jack, I sent you Dr. Brooks contacting him for on Instagram.

I got to get back to work. You all should do this more often. for the doctor brooks we've had him on the show Tony I'm not sure said dr. brook let's see here oh saint is

Rhodesian light infantry the saints was one of the commandos in the Rhodesian light infantry oh saint oh you okay I see I never seen this show what it's called Generation Kill never saw it supposedly people say that's like really good

what is Generation Kill I haven't seen that it's a show following Marines during like like 03, like the invasion. I can't even work up the motivation to watch these shows, man. I feel like these shows and these movies are like a, like a cathartic experience for the American public, like to help them psychologically place the war somewhere and then like set it aside. Like, you know, you turn the television off and it's over, you know? The thing about the big movies, like lone survivors, Zero Dark 30 or American sniper is like, it kind of.

kind of cements the general public's idea of like this is the truth of what happened kind of yeah and they also don't have to think about the war in any in any tangible way because it's just you're focused on this heroic story of these like brave soldiers and in these like daring deeds that they do so you don't really have to think about like like blacklock down was the one that set that model like you don't really have to concern yourself with why they're there or what they're doing because it's a soldier story you're just in it and you're experiencing it you know so you don't have to really ask the question of like, oh, why did we send these guys there? Like, what did it accomplish?

Was it worth it? Would we do it again? Should we do it again? Like, you know, all that kind of stuff is avoided. It sort of swept under the carpet. The kind of one movie that didn't go into like soldier or army or military stuff, but went into like the political stuff of the Iraq War was a fair game. Like it was like about the Valerie Plain stuff where, you know, Dick Cheney's C.O.

Chief of Staff, they leaked her name into the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty good. I mean, it's political, but it kind of, you know, it follows that dude, the guy Wilson. He's a former ambassador in Niger. Yeah, I saw this movie. He went in, he went for the sea.

He was contracted, I guess, for the CIA to go and like look into, go to Niger and look to see if the, like, uranium was actually bought there. Yeah, yeah. And he wrote his report. Then it ends up in the state of the union, you know, that Iraq tried to get significant quantities of uranium from Africa. And then he wrote an op-ed. And that's why they leaked her name.

Like they went after her. But look, the anti-war movies that have, the few that have been, like, big mainstream ones that have been made, like, they're pretty shit, too. Like, what was that Robert Redford movie where Tom Cruise plays a congressman or a senator? Oh, shit. What's that movie called? It was not a good movie.

I don't even know what movie that is. There's a great documentary. This should be the last... There's a great documentary about the Iraq War. It's the same guys who did the movie Inside Job about the 2008 Financial Crisis. I don't remember the name, but it's the same director, same producers as Inside Job.

It was incredible. It talks about letting go the bath party. You know, they're trying to set up, like, their infrastructure, like, in terms of, like, traffic and, like, how things should run. And they're basically giving these jobs to, like, campaign donors, kids who are just out of college. Like, people who are supposed to, like, redo, like, completely build back up Iraq's government structure are, like, kids right out of college with no, no experience whatsoever. It's really good. Bring back Mike Perry. we'd love to. Mike Perry's awesome.

Oh, yeah, he's fun. Great guest, a lot of fun. Great storyteller. We probably could have him on again. Have you two seen the Dungeons Dragons movie? I haven't seen the new one. Is it out already? I think it comes out today.

Today or yesterday or something? I'm going to take my daughter to see it next week. Yeah. I mean, I saw the old one. I used to watch the Dungeons Dragons series, cartoon series, when I was a kid. Yeah, it's funny. My daughter watching the...

because they remake Ninja Turtles cartoons like every couple years. And that guy, Eastman, just like cleans up, like, milking this IP to death. And so my daughter is watching the new Ninja Turtles on Nickelodeon. And then at some point, me and her were watching, like, the cartoon from when I was a kid or maybe the movies from when I was a kid. And she's watching it. She's like, this isn't the real Ninja Turtles. Because she only knows the new one. Were you gobsmacked?

I guess let out a big sigh. I would have said the same thing when I was her age. I watched the Ninja Turtle live action movie, like a few months ago, the first one. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of corny, but yo, it's pretty good, like, pretty good. Like, in terms of it's, like, gritty. It's really good. It kind of is now that you mention it.

It's fucking awesome. I'm really just in it for Casey Jones in the Casey Jones speeches. Yeah, he was awesome. But it kind of holds up, especially that first. one yeah I mean it was corny because the they were they were kind of corny right like yeah yeah it was kind of camp you know a little bit of camp but it was intended camp yeah the fact that Raphael thinks he could put on a fucking trench coat and a fucking hat and thinking you walk around the streets of New York without

being spotted as a giant mutated turtle is kind of hilarious is that thing not did yet maybe I'm just racking up combos on it yeah oh see off these things Ben Robert Smith, Ossie SAS once his defamation trials finished? Oh, that might be interesting. Yeah, I asked some Aussie commandos to recommend someone to me, and they recommend him. I'm like, hey, man, how about somebody who doesn't have, like, war crimes charges hanging over their heads? You know, like... Well, are those gone now, and now it's, like, a defamation that he's suing for defamation?

Yeah. I don't know if they... I don't know if the government ever brought a case against him. Um, the government just brought a case against the SAS guy who executed that Afghan dude on, on video. Yeah. But I, I wonder if his case is like, you know, the Marine Raiders, how, you know, people just threw them under the bus because... It's on videotape, dude. Oh, yeah.

He has both hands in the air surrendering and the guy fucking shoots him. Yeah. It's, I've seen the video. It's pretty bad. I mean, it's pretty bad. It's fucking bad. Like, it's fucked up. And also, like, the other part that's weird is the dog, the dog, the dog, handler, the dog's like ready to go after the guy he just shot and the dog handler is like trying to chill out the dog. It's a, yeah, it's a straight up execution. God. What's his, uh, oh nice, you're not, you know. Go ahead. You get it. You need it. We got a question. Have you talked to Andrew Milburn since the New York Times article?

I had an email with him yesterday. Talk to Andy too, like probably a month ago. He's Andy. He's the man. He's still at it. Have you seen the D&D virtual tabletop? Yeah, there are a couple. of them out there. Maybe he means the official one that they're making. I think it's D&D one. It looks stupid.

D&D is like on like Watsy has gone so far downhill. Like they've gotten drunk on that brand since it blew up for them. And there are another company who's just milking it to death making a lot of shitty products. I can't see myself buying

another like actual Watsy D&D book at this point. Like they've gotten so bad with what they're doing. It's just a cash grab. Infinite Ninja Power is bullshit. These guys are kicking my ass. In terms of frauds that reminds me of the Wayne Simmons article Jack wrote a few years ago. There's what my fair piece is up to date still. Old Wayne. Wayne is still out there thinking he's a CIA agent. He has a website where he can't talk about how he was a knock and all this bullshit.

It's hilarious. Well, what's interesting, though, is that at a certain point, they just start believing their own bullshit. But they have followers who believe them too. They have followers who just ignore the facts and go, like, oh, it's just, you know, everybody else, his cover was so secret that everybody else is lying. You know, it's really weird. We're playing on the pads. 1985 called they want their control it back.

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The Northman is a great war movie based on Hamlet. I haven't seen the Northman. Jack, did you say you saw that? Yeah, the Northman. I love that movie. Yeah, it was pretty good. racing team is also recruiting any veteran or federal employee?

Or eye racing team? I don't know if that is, Gregory. Stripes, yeah. Well, Straps isn't really a war movie so much. I'll give you a war movie. It's a great war movie. Okay, we got Mike Taylor confirmed for June 9th on the show.

Nice. I'm going to try to get him to come in studio. Word to moms, yo, is, God, I respect I respect how you maintain your tailors. Some of these other channels are starting to look the same, which is say, leaning into the crazy.

A bunch of sellouts, man. When I sell out, I want to get rich. I want that Liambo. I want that limbo. Not for, like, for... Not YouTube money? Not YouTube.

You want, like, fuck you money. Yeah. Like, we're going to have a yacht down in the Caribbean. We're going to have a catamaran. I'd love to have a catamaran. Lord of War, yellow cake, lambs for lions. My uncle's got a catamaraning.

Lions for Williams. That's the Robert Redford movie. Lions and Lions. James. Speaking of Tom Cruise, the new Top Gun is on Prime Now. Look, I thought it was fantastic. It's such a fun movie. In a lot of ways, it's... I haven't seen it yet. I got it from my parents for Christmas,

and they're so difficult. They're like, you gave us that movie, didn't you, Jack? It was... We just watched it. It's like, what? Yeah, it's such a fun movie. Dave, come on. Matt Damon's Green Zone, Ethan Hawks, the Good Kill, Sandcastles.

I don't think I've seen any of those. This guy, I remember this guy. Baxter, that's right. Whoa, what the fuck? Was that really necessary Baxter? You got to watch Top Gun, bro. It's good. I would like to watch it. I think it's on HBO now.

Or no, it's on Prime. It is on Prime, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. You have to get up in the air. How'd that electrocate it, man? Do you guys think the Illuminator? watches this podcast and I hope so. That the Illuminati watches this podcast?

Yeah, I hope they do. I'm more worried about the Department of Justice, frankly, but... We know that they watch it in Langley. I know a lot... Actually, yeah, a lot of people watch this podcast or sometimes... Or casual viewers of this podcast. Yeah, everybody knows about it, it seems, when I contact them, when I bring up the podcast, it seems like they know of it.

We're internet famous. and then they're going to turn it on and watch this of us fighting Baxter. They're going to be like, what the hell? Really sad case of a dude who wrote, I was in a CIA assassin book. You can find a C-SPAN book club video of him talking about on YouTube. He was found in his car years later. I don't know anything about that guy or the book or anything. Did it turn out that he was not legit or what was the deal with that?

um like just based on the title like it doesn't sound legit to me but like i don't know holy shit baxter fucking owns you guys he's hard to hit because not only you have to get in the air but you have to be on the exact same like level like come on bro you're up there you go baxter no good dingers jack you've recently mentioned you uh you recently mentioned you've been trying to get greg go on the show any news on this yes um no news really we're still trying to get Greg Vogel on the show

Jack that one guy you've mentioned to me I'm not going to say his name he was in the unit we would love I would love to you that's the dream guest for me because he's like the real life Jason Bourne if I say his name you'll know what it is I'm not saying it oh man we're going down this portal

have you reached the point where you guys get recognized on the street yet Yeah, dude, look at this I thought that There's more episodes Yeah, occasionally I mean, I've been to a couple Cyberconferences where people have

Like recognized me Oh, there's 16 episodes Holy shit Okay, we can take a break Yeah Lower it Oh, I turn the volume down Yeah, yeah

I'm looking forward to the watermelon Ninja Sword maybe That'll be D and Jack Just so I don't throw my back out again But I got them A watermelon, a cantalope, and a pineapple Yeah, we'll sit down. Do you sometimes wonder about the things Richard theme says about the NSA and, like, it's mostly as Defcom talks and his mind games that come to mind?

Oh, Jack, what is your hair care routine and how does Wiz-Wiz get on it? Just shampoo, ma'am. It's all natural, man. No. This one was funny. Big shout out to the case officer. assigned to watch the stream. Exactly.

Dave, what do you want to do inside? Well, I was doing digital forensics. You know, I've been looking at adversary emulation. I think that looks really interesting. It's kind of a new field, I guess. Obviously, red teaming would be interesting. I don't have the skills of the background

for it yet, but it's not that I just want to be a red teamer. I think there are a lot of, in threat intelligence. I really enjoy threat intelligence. In your opinion, what is the best big army units, 1703rd, third ID, first ID, 802nd. I honestly don't know.

I don't know enough about about Big Army, Jack. Do you know? I don't know. I mean, I don't know how to answer these questions. Like, people like, like I said, like who's tougher, force recon, or Navy SEALs?

Like, what do you? And it probably also depends on the command staff at any given time. You know, the leadership can really make or break a unit. What can you guys tell us about the NSA Scorpion teams? They're just GRS guys.

They're just security guards. It's a Kush gig. Great name, too. J.P. Ortega, there was that dude on Survivor a few years ago who claimed to have been in CIA, but was clearly a kook. Just want to say, as a media historian, grad student who has never been in the military,

I really enjoy your guy's show. Keep it up. Cheers. Thanks, man. Sossi, your take on Edward Snowden. I think he's a dirtbag, traitor, criminal. Like, there's a process for, there's a process for, you know, reporting things that you feel our, that you feel our government's doing that are illegal and ethical, moral, whatever. And, like, dumping all that information and a lot of other information that has nothing to do with it. like just dumping mass amounts of information.

He stole everything. And he ran to China and then the Russia. Like, and all that stuff, like people talk about, oh, he's this hero blowing the whistle on how our government's spying on us.

Like, no, man, he took stuff on one, of all of those Snowden disclosures, there was one program that maybe had some issues around metadata. Then, like,

all of this other shit that he stole and compromised was completely legal, legitimate, classified, you know, special access programs and all sorts of shit like that. Like, he set America back decades on the intelligence game.

Like, really? Like, he fucked things up so bad. Um, all for what? Again, I mean, we could have had a conversation about metadata and domestic abuses without fucking stealing every goddamn thing out of the fucking classified turrets. terminal and turning it over to Russia and China.

I don't understand what's like patriotic about that or what's noble about that. And now he's Putin's bitch boy over there. Like, how'd that work out for you, Eddie? Let's hear. Two Moon is the most informative guest. Can you guys get more South American soft guys or maybe guys like 602 Camado? Yeah, like we love having guys. guys from foreign services on

when we can get them fight them. And again, vetting them, validating is a challenging thing too, right? Because... It's pretty easy. It's not too hard to track them down. Put in mind, like a Mexican police or a special forces guy that tracks

like, you know, Chapo guy, you know, cartel guys. The whole cartel grift is another thing, man. There's a whole bunch of people who, like, do the podcast circuit and, like, claim to be cartel whispers. It's kind of weird. I think Americans are just fascinated by that stuff because they don't really have any insight to it. There's, um, who is it? Ian Grillo, BBC journalist done some good stuff on there,

but there's not a terrible amount of like good sourcing on that subject. Let me get a little bit this stuff done real quick. Um, get Rusty Bradley, the only guy the Pentagon allowed, uh, to write books while he was active duty Delta while he's active duty Delta guy Robert Keller Nate Boyer the Greenberry who played in the NFL Dave and Dien need to spend more time on the discord

with us. I'm rarely on social media guys and I apologize for not being on the discord more often yeah I should jump on him more often too I'll get on it maybe who knows who knows so hey guys don't forget to subscribe to the channel like I was saying I'd like to make it to

70,000 tonight if possible possible. I think we're at, I don't know, we need like four or five hundred subscribers. We're at 69,638. Oh, we're getting there. What's the turtle there when you go there? Complete story mode. Complete cast. These are all the things who library. Dojo. Technodrome Redux. Yeah, we got some, I got some card games. some trivia games here yesterday and uh and then tonight later on we'll uh we'll do some multiplayer

shooters we'll do some ground branch at my uh pc over there and the guys on discord are all stoked up tonight so we'll probably have a bunch of people in there those games get fun you have a lot of dudes in there and uh what else is going on later on we should have some fucking uh people coming by actually what else is going on oh we got a Dave you got to slice up the fruits with the with the ninja sword well I don't know if I'll be doing that I'd probably throw my back out again but you but you and D can have at it I've got you guys three got you guys a pineapple watermelon and a can I'd like to put this on the record

I think it's a bad idea can we put the pineapple on the top of your head D and you'll just stand there there stoically while I slice it in half I refuse nope I didn't read that chapter in the stoicism book it'll help you well yeah it'll help with my life yeah you know it makes yeah I'm in you convinced me Dee why don't why don't you come sit down and we'll interview you man sure I'm let me just I'm banging out I'm fixing the thumbnail yeah I had to turn some stuff off on the fish tank it was over flooding I'm still trying to break in the

proteins yeah I'm trying to break in the protein skimmer here hello say hello to the uh hello audience there should be another uh

mic over here jack for you that's what I was gonna do I was gonna sit at the uh at the hot seat the hot seat and just turn

I was gonna turn on that mic the shotgun one yeah dream for like 10 hours a day just reacting to stuff like they just play YouTube videos

and react to it I lost the fuck I mean what could you guys possibly interview me about you man like we don't know anything about you you're you're a mystery wrapped up in an enigma wrapped up in a puzzle former criminal you know jack's working on the ecosystem it's here we have fresh emojis created just for d nice on the discord yeah uh nice yeah they get creative on the discord subscribe simp

and sell your soul to the team house yes please do agreed That Danish guy that patrol Greenland was very interesting. Totally. Yeah, that was a fantastic episode. If you guys have not watched that, the episode about the Sirius Patrol, check that out. It is, it's a unit I had never heard of. It's a unit most Americans have never heard of. And it's absolutely fantastic.

Yeah, what's crazy is it's like one of our least viewed episodes. And it's like the coolest, most like, you know, unique kind of experience. What do you think about the board game risk? Great game. Much better than Monopoly, because Monopoly tear his family apart. Terris families apart. And it goes on forever and ever and ever. Monopoly's, I actually like Monopoly.

Do you really? Yeah. But it can go on forever. Especially if you're dealing with people who are, like, finicky if you're trying to trade. Like, if you can't take advantage of the people you're playing against, it'll take forever. Because, like, no one wants to make a trade. Everyone's being stingy.

Risk is awesome. I haven't played risk. it's so long. Jack, ideas. So maybe get a guy like Ken Godet back with a guy like Ed Calderon. But together, that would be a very interesting conversation. Ken Goddette? Yeah, Gaudet. I said, Gaudet.

That was what? He was, uh, Jack, what was Ken Gaudet? Who? Ken Goddette. Ken? He was in the... So why would he get on with Calderon? Mm-hmm.

Isn't Calderon the, uh, cartel guy, like a former, like police officer in Mexico. He's made the rounds. He's a guy who goes on a ton of pods. Has he? Yeah. Jens, any insight on the rail car derailments or last few minutes? I don't have any insights on them.

You know, I don't know if it's something that, you know, because they came out and they gave that statistic that, you know, that the numbers were normal. So I don't, and I haven't done any research. So I don't know if it's, you know, just something that always happens and we just don't hear about it and we're hearing about it. So it seems like a lot. But it seems as if even if it does happen every year, like the ones that we've had recently have been very harmful. I mean, yeah, it's not good.

It's just corporations doing what corporations do. Sorry. My socialist is coming out. I know. How later are we planning tonight when do we do? we crack open the bottle. I mean, probably another couple.

Yeah, we're going to like midnight maybe and probably going to hold off another hour or two before we start drinking. Yeah, I would suggest that. How did Dee have a hard time learning all the AV setup for the podcast? What did you find interesting about it? About AV stuff?

Not a thing is interesting about it. It's all frustrating. It's very frustrating. You can kind of get lost in the sauce, too. looking at like the best gear and like oh this this will make the difference it really doesn't matter you can record stuff you can spend 200 bucks on amazon and have a set up for a podcast so yeah i'm not a fan of the ab stuff at all like it's very frustrated today was a nightmare today and yesterday because we had we had somebody to come in who's like a tricaster wizard

he's helped us before a couple times he bailed then he said oh yeah get me on the phone no problem I try to get him on the phone he could be like it felt like I was breaking up with somebody just wasn't answering so then me and Jack

were pulling our hair out this morning still pulling our hair out because like I'm thinking about next week I'm like oh input two is fucked up right so like oh how's that camera gonna work now like I'm thinking of that and I'm getting stressed out I'm getting triggered

Yeah, V stuff's annoying Once it's good though You're good, you're happy But this live stuff's tricky too The live stuff's hard with like sound too Because a lot of times When we have different guests in studio Their range of sound is way different

Jack, Chuck Okay you Jack, you sit here I'll sit in the chair Jack's working on his ecosystem Um Yeah, it was never an AV guy That's not how I landed myself At the T-Mouse

Jack, did I lie to you and say that I was an AV specialist? No. Good, okay. That's fair. It doesn't preclude me from being the liar. You're right. Like, I see a lot of, like, I'm writing a new movie, right? And I want to shoot in October. So you kind of go into this rabbit hole of, like, new cameras and shit like that.

And you have all these videos on YouTube about people talking about, like, these cameras or that cameras. This camera's Netflix approved. There's some bullshit like that. and it's like it doesn't fucking matter. Yeah. As long as it's like, you gotta get to 4K, that's what they want. And as long as your audio is good, it doesn't matter what the fuck you. You literally use a cell phone.

Netflix has bought movies that were made with iPhones. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you do the sound on an iPhone, like in a busy environment or whatever? You use separate sound. I see. Yeah, you recorded separately. J.P. Ortega, how about Jason?

Everman, the Nirvana band member turned Green Beret. I heard he's planning to circumnavigate the whirl on a boat. Yeah, that'd be a great interview. If we could ever get him in here. Yeah, that'd be cool. Dee is the riddler. Sure. And word to moms yo is like, hey, poppy.

I don't even know that. Hey, what's up? Honey Bunny. Dee, what inspired you do? So before we get in, like, what inspired you do dirtbag history and stuff like that? Let's talk about you. So what's your origin story? Where'd you grow up?

I mean, I'm a Brooklyn bridge and tunnel scumbag, bro. I was born in Brooklyn. I live in Brooklyn. Yeah, I grew up in Brooklyn. Normal run-of-the-mill fucking kid, I guess. You know, I wasn't a full criminal. I was like half a criminal. But again, never got caught.

Well, yeah, do you want to talk about that? Or do you want to... My criminality? Yeah, or is the... like as the statute of limitations yeah no I didn't kill anybody so I think I'm good um you know I was just fucking around you know what I mean you take some bets from people you go to like Virginia when cigarettes are cheap in Virginia with a U-Haul truck you bring them back full you sell them to your friends and family at a markup some other like delis and bodegas

that's got to be statute of limitations got to be done that was like 15 years ago more you do shit like that you try to fucking make money in this world yeah now um is it is that a part of greek culture i'm going to come up very culturally in the sense of it i see i could tell is that greek american culture growing up the biggest criminal criminal criminal act a greek american it's like first second generation greek american person does is sales tax avoidance yeah they own restaurants like there's a ton of rich people rich Greek people around who had buildings, who bought buildings like 30 years ago.

And the only reason they were able to do it for the most part was because they would have a diner or a coffee shop that would make $4,000 or $5,000 a day in cash. And they would, you know, deposit $600. So it was like they were selling crack. Yeah. You know, that amount of mind. That's probably the biggest, like,

the biggest crime or most prevalent. But, you know, there's like, I guess, Greek gangsters out there. It's just like criminals who are Greek who do like fucking sketchy shit. But sure, yeah, it's the same thing as like Italians. I guess it's like a generation, like a first-gen, second-gen immigrant thing. Yeah. It's a hustle, right?

Yeah. Like, it's not, when I say like criminality, like, it's not necessarily like robbing people or doing something like that. It's like skirt in the system. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's not necessarily violent. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like skirt in the system, basically. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Enjoying the... I mean, if you can get away with it, why not? Right? Yeah. Fuck it.

You're not really hurting anybody besides, like, state government. Let's say if you're talking about state sales tax, I mean, I've gotten fucked with states. I've had a restaurant. But it's having a restaurant in the last 10 years is not the same thing as having a restaurant 30 years ago. Yeah. Because everyone pays a credit card, so every dollar that hits your bank,

you have to pay sales. Yeah, yeah. So it's not like I have like... Unless you're like a lot of the Chinese joints in Chinatown where it's cash only. Sure. If you're a cash only spot, like if I'm a tax guy for the state, like that's what I'm looking at. Yeah. Cash only spots.

I mean, they can't help but fuck around. Yeah. It's cash only. Yeah. But more and more, for the most part, everyone's taking credit card. Yeah. It's just convenient. Yeah.

Like I couldn't have a restaurant in Park sold me like, oh, no, no credit cards. So restaurants aren't getting away with that anymore. Now it's just like JP Morgan. Yeah. Yeah, the big boys are. Yeah. Yeah. The big boys are.

get out of the taxes. Yeah, they could ruin the economy and get away with it. Yeah. I still get bonuses and shit. So then, like, did you have aspirations? Did you want to do something when you grew up? Did I have any aspirations? Yeah, or did, yeah, I mean, were there things, was there something you wanted to do?

Or, you know, was it, did you have dreams of I want to be this? Or were just kind of like, like, I think a lot of people are just, like, living their life, right? Yeah, the one thing I wanted to do, I remember writing it in my eighth grade yearbook was I wanted to be a film director. That's awesome. Yeah. And I made a movie. So that was one thing I knew I wanted to do. I also knew as I got older high school into college, I was like, I want a restaurant.

I had that. I did those both restaurant guys, unless you're a chef and you love cooking, don't ever buy a restaurant or get into that business. So how did you get into that? Like, did you get in the restaurant world when you were in high school? or yeah i was like a delivery guy bus boy you know that okay a couple my my dad my uh friends dads had restaurants and stuff like that so i worked there i'm just not a nine to five you know wake up at seven in the morning travel for an hour and sit in an office and fucking wait from my death yeah yeah so i was like oh restaurants i mean it guess it depends on what restaurant

you have right because you can have a fucking coffee shop you're up at six in the morning but yeah yeah that's a tough job yeah yeah Yeah. My restaurants weren't like that. They were lunch dinner. Specifically, for that reason. So was a restaurant your first entrepreneurial? Did you go to college? I went to college.

I went to John Jay College of Criminal Justice for six months. To learn how to. To avoid crime? No, I initially kind of want, I was thinking about like, oh, maybe I want to be like an FBI agent or whatever. But then I just didn't like school. I fucking dipped out. I went for one semester and one day of my second semester because I made the mistake of doing like all 7 a.m. classes.

And John Jay is in Columbus Circle and I live in Bay Ridge. So it was like an hour and a half train ride. So you're up at 6 in the morning to get there. And the first day I was there, this girl and this guy got into a huge fight. It was like 8 in the morning. I was like, I'm not doing this anyway. I looked at my friend next time.

I'm like, see you later. and that was that was it for John Jay and then I went to a construction school like a construction management school that was another fucking joke fucking Ponzi scheme it wasn't really a Ponzi scheme

but the guy it was like bullshit they told everybody hey you come to this school you do two years you'll have an associates you can go transfer and get your bachelor's in like architecture or whatever the fuck

and my buddy actually graduated went to another school to try to transfer his credits they ended up taking like 20 out of 120 credits. So I made a big stink because I was still in that school for like the last six months. I had like three classes left. And they, uh, politely asked me to leave. Like they were posting things up like, oh, it's not true that the rumors aren't true that you can transfer your credits because I was telling everybody.

Yeah. And then they asked me to leave nicely. And I left. So I did a little bit of construction. I'm a Greek, bro. It's restaurants, construction, real estate. construction stinks I wasn't even digging ditches

like just in the office construction management's a fucking nightmare it's the most miserable job ever why's that you're in an office it's all about like just busting other people's balls you know about

we gotta get this fucking wall built at X time you know what I mean like it's boring I don't give a shit about buildings I like that they don't collapse when you're in there right right that's a plus but as far as like as far as like renovating a shithole school like fixing

their bathrooms like that doesn't really get me wet so then so so how long were you doing that for construction probably from like 18 or 19 to like 25 solid six years oh yeah in the office so So definitely long enough now that you despised it. Oh my God, I fucking hated every second of it. And I was going to school doing it at night, too. So it was like 15 hours a day of construction. And it just sucked. It just sucked.

And then I saved some money, and I found the restaurant, Bonnies. And I bought Bonnies. It was perfect timing, though, for Bonnies. Because the old owner was on his way out. He'd been doing it for 15 years. His lease was up, and he only wanted a little bit of money. could take over the place so it was relatively inexpensive to get into so I bitch went for it fucking rock and roll jack's destroying the ecosystem so how did you find out because let's talk

about bony's for a second thing how did I find Bonnie yeah on Craigslist yeah on me like a nondescript Craigslist ad about a restaurant for sale in park slope and I would I would email those listings all the time so I like didn't think of anything of it and the price was good it's like 75 grand for a restaurant It's good And it ended up being bodies And when I met with them Yeah

No I was very lucky I mean I was looking for it I'd been looking for a restaurant For like a year and a half to buy To I'd get into At that time So it was like a year and a half

And yeah Just some weird Craigslist dad The guy answered me And that was it And that was it And what was it? Did you have family in the restaurant? Like, why do, what was it about the restaurant

business? I don't even know, bro. I couldn't even tell you. I don't even like people. Like, I don't even like serving people. Were you a cook? Did you, or you're a great cook? No. I can make like an omelet. But Bonnies is a wings place. Bonnies is probably one that's still there. It is. It is. Like, I used to eat there all

time and, like, D&I didn't know this or know each other at the time, but I used to eat there all the time. It's a great place. It still is. I mean, The guys who opened it were from Buffalo, so they did a, they were into the Buffalo wings and the Buffalo Bills. We'd always play Bills games, they still do. I mean, and honestly, like, it's not that hard to make good wings.

You just fucking fry them and make sure you don't kill anybody, and you toss them in some sauce. But they were good wings. Burgers were banging, too. They still are. Yeah, I don't even know why I wanted to do a restaurant, though. Why were they, was, was, like, what year was this? that I bought him.

I bought Bonnie's 2014, end of 2014 into 2014 into 2015. So Park Slope wasn't, like, it was coming up then. It wasn't still shit. Because Park Slope used to be a really rough area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it kind of came up. Bonnie's opened in January of 2000. So back then, they were like the only restaurant on the block.

Now there's like six restaurants in a row. Oh, yeah. That whole block is, yeah. So it's like high-end restaurants, too. It's kind of tricky, man. There's so much competition out there and shit. It's like I would never recommend anybody to buy a restaurant or open a restaurant. If they had money like that, just do anything else with it.

Yeah. Like anything else. So had you saved up this much money or did you know, like, do, like, were you going to get a loan from the family? I saved up the majority of it and I got like 20 Gs for my family. Yeah. and yeah plus it wasn't a lot to get into it was like 70 grand

yeah I mean it's a lot of money yeah yeah yeah like you're building a restaurant from scratch I'll say it's a little restaurant in New York where it's like a thousand square feet minimum you need is 250,000 and that's if you know what you're doing yeah because then you need money to carry cost you know you don't know if your restaurant's gonna work out

to buy an existing restaurant with a good enough amount of goodwill like Bonnie's had like Bonnie's a day forever yeah he honestly he should have signed a new 10-year lease. This is getting into the deep, into the weeds of, like, restaurant business. He should have signed a new 10-year lease and sold money for like 300 grand.

I try to at least. But he was over. And I get it because five years later, I was fucking over it, too. It's bullshit. So I got lucky with the price. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

100%. And what was that? So you've never owned a restaurant. You never managed a restaurant. No. You didn't like, you, you bust in a restaurant, but you were never like closing out the register at night or anything like that. So what was it like for you now moving into the restaurant business with really no fucking idea what you're doing? I mean, I want to say I was like super nervous, but I guess I wasn't because, I mean, it's not, I mean, if you have a brain and have half, like you have some kind of reason, like reasoning, it's not that hard.

Yeah. Yeah, you figure it out. Plus the good thing was Bonnie's was already existing. Right. So all the staff. The staff all stayed. I mean, I had to five people eventually because they were worthless, but not even worthless. They were just jerkles.

But yeah, no, I was starting it off pretty easy. Like when we opened up the Greek restaurant from scratch, like my uncle did, that was like a nightmare. Because you're hiring staff. You don't know how much food to buy. So you're burning money for like six months. So that's like way more nerve-wracking. than this was. I mean, listen, the first day I took over Bonnie's, the friars broke.

And I remember I had like $1,200 in my bank account after I spent all my money on that, on the restaurant. And I had to buy these fucking friars because we fry fucking wings. That's what we do. They were like $800 for two friars. So I had $400 in my bank account, like after these friars. And the one thing that was a Saturday, we opened up at 12, but like we were taking the friars out. So we opened it at one

The one good thing that kind of was like Oh my God, this might work out is there was like a line outside Bani's at like 1230 I'm like, cool So money started coming in relatively quickly So I was like okay I can kind of Survive till next month But I wasn't freaking out

I mean yeah maybe it's a little naivete too Because like I made a movie too and I never done that But it's not that hard Motherfuck is do it all the time Like people that look just like you or me or anybody else do it Are they so that much smarter than me or you? No. You just do it.

And plus it's not like we're not doing surgery. Fucking selling wings and taking money from people. Right, right. So it's relatively easy. For the most part, I think managing employees is the hardest. Yeah. That's number one because a lot of them are fucking not worthless. They work hard, but they're lunatics.

Like people in the restaurant business are crazy. Yeah. They love alcohol. They love alcohol during shifts. And then you have lunch. Cooks who are great cooks But are crazy Right

And Bonnie's if you've ever been to Bonnie's Our kitchen's exposed So if a cook has a meltdown Everyone's fucking seen Right right right So that's another old added wrinkle That you have to deal with But yeah it was fun

It was a fun experience I would never be like a lifer I don't know how anybody could be a fucking Lifeber in restaurants They're probably like they're just massacists Massacus or sadists Who likes them? Massacus

Yeah they like the punishment. Yeah. The restaurant would be the sadist in that scenario. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

So were you, like, because, you know, we've talked about a little bit about your podcast and, you know, making the movie and things like that. While you were at Bonnies, were you pursuing other things,

or was it just Bonnie's 24-7? So, Bodies was Boney's 24-7 for, like, the first two years? And then I had written a script for Jimbo before I took Bodies. I just wrote a script. How old were you when you wrote the script? How old was I?

2014, so 29. Okay. And what was it? Where did you get the idea for Jimbo? It's just like a crime drama, you know, loosely based on people I knew. And like, also just a story I wanted, very loosely based on people I knew. It's not exactly people that I know that were like moving. I mean, it's loosely based on some people I know.

So I had that idea. Now, we are talking, Jimbo is about a guy who robs a bank, correct? Well, he ends up robbing a bank. He was selling a lot of weight in cocaine, and he goes to jail for that, and he gets out. So it's like the town meets Carlito's way. That's the best way I can describe it. So I wrote that shit, and then Bonny's happened. Balls deep into Bonnies for, like, you know, I would say a good 18 months where I was, like, all I thought about.

And then I got bored of it because it was like this sucks. It's a grind like anything else. So I'm like, all right, let me look at trying to make this movie. Let's see how we can work it. And then in 2017, I made, I made Jimbo. And how did that all come together? So I met this chick on Tinder. Her name's Tina.

She ended up being my producer. She's great, good actor, too. And I told her about me, hey, I'm thinking I'm making this movie. I'm like, I need her. out producing it. So she jumped on as producer. And then I watched a couple of YouTube videos in terms of like, you know,

some cinematography shit, like the 180 rule and all that bullshit. Which is, it's not bullshit, it's good. And like what you need to like make a movie. And it turns out like everything else in this world, everybody likes to make it more complicated than it fucking is.

So I hired like a sound guy, really good sound guy. Like that was my most expensive day guy. more than actors, more than director of photography. My sound engineer was solid. I hired a DP, and we had like five or six crew. And I remember talking a couple actors, you know, some girl who's going to help me produce it.

She's like, maybe you should think about doing a short, you know, instead of like a feature instead of doing all 128 pages. I'm like, what's the difference? It's like a short you just do it in a couple days. I'm like, so you shoot like five. to 10 pages in a couple days. I'm like, like, we're just going to make shorts every fucking day.

Yeah. We shoot five to 10 pages every day for 20 days and you have a fucking feature. Yeah. Again, naively. But, I mean, everybody you talk to who's in the film industry or like the freelance movie making shit, they all like to make it seem like it's hard to do. And it's not easy, but it's not hard to do. Mm-hmm.

You know, climbing a mountain is hard to do. Mm-hmm. So I just got a crew together and rocked and all. I mean, the way I wrote the script was I had access to these locations, too. The only location I paid for was a bank, because we rob a bank in the movie. And I got it for a good price, too. I got it for like a grand for seven hours. There's some bank in the Bronx.

Everywhere else, like my uncle has a sailboat. I used that shit. I use Bonnies. I used the Greek restaurant. I use the beer garden. These are all, like, my family's places, like cousins and uncles, restaurants and bars. apartments. I mean, it's all like, you know, there's no Transformers in there fucking doing karate. Like, it's fucking people in rooms talking. So it's relatively simple. And it was great. It worked out.

I mean, I had a great time shooting it. I mean, I hate the fucking movie now because I've seen it so many times. Like, I nitpick every aspect of it. But I think for our first score run, I think I did a pretty good job. Original music. Yeah. And I got it all done for like $55,000. All in, everything. That's amazing. And then once you filmed it, did you try to, like, market it? I try to get into, like, the move where you do, like, a micro-budget fucking indie is to try and get into film festivals. That's the move, because that's how you get exposed to, like, the gatekeepers, the fucking agents,

the managers, the production companies, the distributors. So I did that. We only got into one film festival. I won it, though, the audience award. So I'm an award-winning filmmaker. It's not a big fucking deal. you know, stacked like you've been there before.

Right. Yeah, tell us about this, Morgan. The award? Yeah. It was the audience award for a new

filmmaker's New York Film Festival. I mean, I kind of fucking ran the numbers up because I had mad people there. It was the audience award.

So they, you know, I cook the books, but whatever. I'm still an award-winning filmmaker. So, blow me, fucking Sundance.

So anyway, you try to get into these big fan festivals, you're not going to get to have big film. big film festival unless you have like big stars um and then you could self-distribue me that's what i did i put it on amazon prime it was on amazon prime for like four or five years they're pretty good like 500 000 views i did not make my 55 000 dollars back that was i made like nine grand back

but that's like good i guess like most movies lose money right yeah but the way i just thought of it was like I'm fucking 30 or 31, however old I was. I'm like when I'm 80 I should have shot that script. It would have been 50 grand and yeah, that's a lot of money. Trust me, over the last five years, I wish I had that 50 grand back.

Or I could be like, oh, you know, regrets. It's like, I'm just going to fucking do it. I did it. So, yeah, I just rock and roll, bro. I just figure out, If I want to do something, I can usually get it done, except for this bullshit tricester. This is my nemesis, this fucking thing.

Yeah. I'm happy. I'm relatively happy with Jimbo and how it turned out. Yeah. Because if I wasn't happy with it, it would have never sold a light of day. And where can people find that? It's on YouTube. I mean, you can look it up at Jimbo movie.

Google Jimbo movie. It might not even come up. I have no fucking idea. It was on Amazon Prime for a while, but I stopped doing my income taxes. So, like, you got to, you got to, like, file taxes for Amazon. So I guess they took me off. I need to go back on there. Because Amazon Prime is, it's, like, instant kind of, you get instant kind of credibility,

even though, in 2018, it was very easy. You can, anybody can put a movie on Amazon Prime. Oh, really? It's not like, Jeff Bezos called me. It's like, hey, kid, we watch your movie on Amazon Prime. Yeah. You can just put, now it's, now you can't. They just changed out, like, a couple of years ago.

go. Yeah, so I'm probably going to end up putting it back on there. And I'm writing a new movie now that I want to shoot in October. And the kid, my producing partner, George, he's relatively decently connected with the world at large, like, you know, managers, producers and stuff. So the hope is we can at least try and sell, like, international rights to it so we can pay for the budget.

Because that budget is going to be about 60 grand. Mm-hmm. Um, yeah, so I'm amped up. I'm excited. I'm not paying for that one. Not doing that again. I'm not paying for a fucking movie again. And then, so then what about like the podcast?

Because you had, you, you had a couple podcasts, right? Yeah, so I started podcasting with my friends in 2009. But we didn't know what the fuck we were doing. We stopped doing that. Then I started again 2011. Stopped again. And then I started podcast. I think during a pandemic, like 2020.

I was like, let's just fucking bullshit. Let's have fun. And then, yeah, I would do, like, it was called dirtbag history. Dirtbag history. So it was like I would take a historical event and, like, run my mouth about it, basically. Mm-hmm. And then I would have people on. And I was a fan of the team house.

So I think I reached out to Mark Polymeropolis because he's a Greek. I was like, oh, shit, we have S's at the last, you know, last letter of our same. Ess is to come on my podcast. And he came on. Also, H.K. Roy came on my podcast. Cool. And then one day, one faithful day, I'd follow Jack on Twitter forever when he was back at soft rep. And he did a roundtable with, like, a bunch of Rangers.

We're like, Nick Irving was on there, a bunch of guys. So I started following Jack from then. And I tweeted a Jack. I'm like, yo, you Silver Fox, come on my show. You hot piece of ass. And he said, yeah, sure. So he came on my show. We did a podcast, me and Jack.

I think this is like maybe two weeks after January 6th, too, I think I remember. Me and Jack became cool. I would message him. Oh, and I started saying, hey, you know, you should really do clips for your shows, right, for the team house. It's two hours long, you know. I love everybody on YouTube who watches it, but a lot of you have short attention spans and that's fine. So Jack's like, I can't really pay you. You know, playing fucking hardball, as he does.

And I'm like, I'll do it for free, right? So I started doing clips. And then I would continue to watch the podcast. Like a few weeks later, I'm like, hey, dude, you have this tricaster that you spend 15 grand on, that you have to get up every 10 minutes and adjust when there's a guest on. Yes. Right. And he's like, all right, why don't you just come and do it?

So I came and I did it. And I don't know what to fucking. I never use a tricasser in my life. Like Jack told me everything I know about the tricassar. That's why we have such problems. Yeah. But then, you know, now you guys can't get rid of me. That's right.

Yeah, like I'm fucking ingrained here. That's right. I just posted the link to Jimbo to the full movie in the chat. Here is the link to the trailer in the chat. You can look it up. just and also a lot of the episodes of Dirtbag history

are on D's YouTube channel It's at Dirtbag history in YouTube It's just D I have that Oh they gave me the whole fucking That's handle You know it

Beautiful Yeah I don't know if Dirtbag history is gonna come back I enjoy doing a podcast But Like where I'm running my mouth But So make sure that you

You watch Jimbo, pass it on to your loved ones to watch. And now what's next for you, Dee? I mean, also, I'll tell you that Dee is the money in this operation. Like, Dee knows how to make money.

He hustles. He knows how to sell. Like... The truffle pig. Huh? I'm the truffle pig. I would more be like you are the... You're like the the supervillain and the evil layer. So I think the reason why I became sort of indispensable,

and I don't think I'm indispensable completely, because like anybody, you can train a fucking monkey to do the tricast or stuff. Yes, because I try to get sponsors. And like I like podcasts, and I would listen to podcasts and hear their sponsors, and it's like, you guys are the hard part, right? Like get, you know, 10,000 people at the time to listen every show and watch every show. That by far and away is the hardest part.

to garner an audience. Everyone's trying to do it. No one can. So, yeah. I mean, getting sponsors, it's a little bit of a pain in the dick because you're dealing with, like, other people,

and it's always a problem. Mm-hmm. But, yeah. I mean, it was relatively easy to get sponsors, relatively. I think we did all right. Yeah.

Yeah, no. So they can't get rid of me now, guys. Sorry. Andrew said dirt bag history wasn't too shabby. I'm just throwing that out. Thanks, bro. I appreciate it. Andrew Jenbar.

always there with like the deep support. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a reason why Jack has an aquarium right now. And is that reason me? Yes. Yeah. Well, for more than just the financial. Oh, actually, you're like, yeah, moving it. Yeah. Getting into transportation. Yeah. The logistics. Yeah.

Guys, I swear to God. Jack didn't even know what he was getting into. No, it was wrong. We show up at this house. It's on the second floor. They have a spiral stair. And this aquarium is 88 gallons. It's not full of water, but it's extremely heavy. We had to carry it down this fucking staircase into a tight, tight alleyway.

God, dude. That was my Normandy. That was my Normandy. Yeah. Bro. Oh, my God. It was gross, too. The guy had just probably, like, emptied it out.

Jack, what you got in there? A little emergency? It's the protein skimmer. I think I probably yeah no listen I'm lucky I'm happy I got to like get in here with you guys it's very lucky I mean you know you guys couldn't have been in Brooklyn too you know I mean there's a ton of reason like you know well we're a fortune to have you man like it's um another thing is like what I don't get with people is like they like especially freelance people were trying to get into like some business and their entertainment whether

podcast and film whatever is there always worried about what they're getting paid for it Like guess what? You're not making fucking Avengers 4. So it doesn't matter what you get paid. Just fucking do it. Like you need the experience. Like imagine I asked Jack, hey, I'll do the clips for you guys. He's like, I can't really pay.

And I'm like, oh, that sucks because my rate is blah, blah, blah. Like, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. Yeah. So, yeah, just, I'm not saying to do shit for free always, but kind of get over yourself a little bit. Yeah. I think a lot of people. I saw it too when I was trying to

staff Jimbo when we were doing Jimbo like these people talking about their rates like

like they're fucking I don't know name like a great cinematographer right like yeah right right right

right right like bro you're a non-union freelance DP dude right like you're telling me

with no credits or you're telling me you have to work 300 days a year below me you're lying yeah right

you're fucking lie right and it was interesting because you do run across a lot of those people and it's like, damn.

Like, this is a feature film, number one. It's not a short. So, like, that should take a little bit of precedence, too, because it looks good on your resume. Yeah, I didn't get it. And, I mean, I would have came and done the switching on the Tri-Cast for free. Yeah. I mean, it was basically for free.

Yeah, yeah. You know, it wasn't, like, $1,000 an episode. Yeah. But I would have came and done it for free because I like the show, right? Yeah, well, you hear that, Jack, he'll do it for free. No, not anymore. Now we need to renegotiate. Yeah, so it worked out.

It's like, what if Jack said no to coming on my podcast? Right. Right? Like, which is kind of wild. It came on my podcast. I didn't fucking have any people watching. So, just ask. It doesn't hurt to ask.

Always just out. And now, like, are you... Are you... Are you... My wealthy? Yeah. No. Oh.

I wish. Am I what, though? No, are you, do you have any, aside from the movie working on now, do you have any other big dreams about, like, new podcasts that you'd like to do or anything like that? Not really. No, the movie, definitely, I want to do that. I'm excited about that.

I'm having fun writing it. As much fun as you can have writing something. Yeah. In terms of other podcasts, no. No. I was helping battle line out for, for a little bit, like with their video stuff, which is cool.

Ian's cool guy, Taunt was awesome. Yeah. No, I want to get team out to like 100,000 views and listens per show. That's the goal that I want. And, you know, I think we can get to in the next, you know, 12 to 18 months. Yeah.

Especially if you guys hit up Lex Freeman and tell them to have Jack on. Just add them on Twitter like maniacs. Don't stop. Because that'll help us get to, Andreke. Anything else? Any other dreams?

No. I bought an electric bike last year. That was cool. You use it? Yeah, not in the winter, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I rode here once from Bay Ridge. It was a fucking nightmare.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was a shit show. Nah, man. Besides that, I'm chilling. I'm pretty happy. Relatively. I mean, I'm still a miserable fuck.

I don't need to use this real quick. Hey, Jack. It's all right. You want to pick up the game where we left off? Yeah. People talking shit. Yeah, thanks. The trailer is pretty good.

The movie's almost as good as the trailer, but the trailer is pretty good. So what do we do here? We just sit here. It's what you guys do? It's wild, Jack. What a wild job you guys have. Just on the other end talking about this and that. It's totally overflowing?

Yeah, it's not just that it's overflowing. It's that I'm making all the adjustments, and it's still overflowing. Oh, my God. It was fine for a while. Yeah, what the fuck? I don't know. So on a scale of 1 to 10-0-Hawyard that you hired me. I'm thrilled.

You wouldn't break all over. All right, that was fun. We should do it again, never. Maybe dirt back case you'll come back. Let's see. Maybe that thing will calm down. You saw it over county? Yeah, yeah.

It's, it's, so it creates this foam, right? And it's supposed to skim the protein, the fish poop out of the water. But it has these adjustment points. Most of them you adjust and it seems like they do nothing. No, no, the protein skimmer. The thing in the back, that looks like a... Yeah, yeah. I'm still fucking with it.

I mean, it was working for a few days there. It was working pretty well. I'm not sure what the problem is. All right, we ready to finish this thing? We got, like, I think, four more stages left. There we go. I'll wait for Dave. Let's see here.

Any more questions from the peanut gallery that I need to answer? Let's see. here. We may have had some Patreon questions. Oh, I'm not logged in. I mean, what got me interested in special forces? Like, I mean, it's cool, right? Like, why, you know, we get, you know,

30 to 40,000 views and listens per show. I don't think everybody's like a vet or a soft vet even. Yeah, it's just cool shit. Jack's cool. Look at him. Look at that beard. It's a glorious beard. Get it. D. Shortford, Dimitri. Adam White's coming on. I think he's supposed to be coming today.

Ready to finish. Get your mind's right. I'm going to grab that stuff, those dice. Oh, okay. Cool. All right. Come on, man. We've got four more stages to clear. Locked in? Okay, come over here. You might be able to change. Okay, it's connected. Hit Y. Party up. Maybe I need to. Okay, hold on. Connection was lost.

Okay, no. Okay, so no, I guess you can't. Shit, you got, I can't play at all. What? Mikey. Oh, there you go, cool. Is there a friendly fire here? No.

Oh. Fatty block. I haven't been paying attention. X is to attack, and then Y is a special move, and then A is to jump. There you go. I wouldn't mind being a fucking game, like, street. dreamer. Just fucking play video games and dick around.

Like I said, there are 12-year-olds doing that making millions of dollars while, like, were a bunch of saps, like, actually working hard. Nobody wants to watch some, like, boring member of the square community, like, me play video games, though. I don't really blame them. Yeah, but there's, like, older guys that are doing this. I don't know what the fuck they talk about. VHS tape found. They talk about, oh, my body aches when I wake up in the morning.

morning. There's a dude called XQC. He's a French Canadian guy, but he's way more French than he is Canadian. Like his fucking accent is insane. Bro, his accent is crazy. You can't understand the fucking word he says, and this guy gets like millions of fucking views every day.

He's like one of the biggest Twitch guys. That's so weird. Kayla found. It was good, girl. Elf chick. Ooh, my favorite pixies? Those are my favorite. I should have known.

Can you block? I think there is, but I'm not sure. Yeah, what is going on, yeah. Here we go. I'll get us some life. R1, you can laugh at people. Yeah, you can taunt. See, I do my nameste.

I'm kissing a girl. Yeah, she's hot. Look at her. You creeper. I want to know who's fun in this fucking foot clan. George Soros. Yeah, Cuds Force. What are you doing tonight?

You hanging? Yeah. You fucking groomer? She's not of age? Jesus, sorry. I was thinking about for this live stream, doing a drag-time story, drag queen story time.

Yeah. I went and I asked the local kindergarten, but they're like, ah, no, we try to keep that in the house. That's proprietary, education, yeah, yeah, stuff.

Exactly. She left. Where'd she go? Well, April was a playable character, and I think Casey Jones is an unlockable character. Oh, yeah. You play Splinter, too? You can play Splinter, yeah.

who is that David who the fuck is that maybe somebody came in here prior accident yeah maybe we should do this more often man this is way funer than uh once we have it locked in like we're figuring out we're not setting it up yet's fun yeah enjoying myself

I was not enjoying myself at like 11 a.m. when nothing worked we didn't even get we didn't make progress we like went back well we regressed yeah I I'm at a loss for words, as you can tell. Yeah, so for people who don't realize what's going on,

is like, we use a tricaster for streaming, which is like this proprietary device. It's a computer essentially that specifically made. Yeah, LB. He's a shit. You say you're done? No, I'm back. So we use a tricaster, which is for streaming.

And I mean, it's a good product in a sense, but it's also like there's so many settings in it and it's so complicated it's used for like professional broadcasting Lord Trang Oh man Um So people like are like oh streaming's easy man you just connect OBS to blah blah blah And I'm like no we don't use OBS

We don't use any of these things that you're talking about So we got uh using NDI we think we have everything set up on the my PC for some games later on tonight. Fingers crow. Yeah. But, um... Thank you. But for some reason, we couldn't get the Xbox brought over into the

Tricaster. And I mean, you would think that really, it's just, it's just an HDMI that you plug in, right? You're just porting the video, all audio video, into the, uh, into the Tricaster. And it really shouldn't be any, any more complicated than that. Uh, we were wrong. I suck on my liability right now.

Yeah, so the Triccasters are major pain in the ass sometimes. And it's very finicky. Oh, who's calling me? Hello? Hey, bro, how's it going? Oh, okay, cool. I'll poke my head out the door right now. This is our first guest?

Yeah. How exciting. Guys, do it as a solid. Like, subscribe. Tell your friends about it. We're the best goddamn fucking show in the world. Oh, cool. Captain Collins is here. Yeah.

What's up, boys. Captain Cons, what's up, dude? I'm a big stooly, big fan. What's up, dude? Nice to meet. Nice to meet. My buddy, Pat. Pat, what's up, dude? Nice to me. Oh, shit. Thank you, man.

Appreciate it. Sit down. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, go for it. Sit right here. Sit for me on. Mike.

All right. I was actually going to take this off. Thank you. Here, you came just on time, drive-blatt. Okay. There we go. So, we're, uh, damn, we're like, a couple levels away from beating this game.

Okay, perfect. So I came right at the right time. Yeah. I haven't played... I haven't played this game in... I don't know how long. This is a pretty new game. This came out like a year ago. It just looks like the game we grew up playing as kids. Yeah, so X's attack. Y is like special move. And then A is to jump.

Oh, shit. Fine. So what's been going on? You've been doing this since noon? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, usually we're like pretty like, I don't want to say we take ourselves too seriously, I hope. But I mean, like, we're usually like interviewing all these people about war and shit like that. And this episode is just goofing off, man. All right, good.

Yeah, I mean, this week, the past couple episodes on ZBT has been pretty heavy with Iraq. And then you're talking about Vietnam and POWs. Yep, yep, yep. Between that and my day job writing about like, you know, horrible. shit, people being sexually assaulted and murdered and everything. It's like... Sit down, man. It's just like, yeah.

This is actually fun. Got it. So, yeah, so Pat's... Pets... From Queens, originally. Okay. I've been... Rockaway, yeah. Rockaway, yeah. Yeah. Oh, shit. I have no fucking idea. I'm like, I'm not helping.

Really. X. X. Yeah. Just press X. Here we go. Yeah, yeah, it is. They went for the nostalgia factor. I feel like there's like some really fucking cool moves that I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Is that true?

Yeah, why is like it'll throw down a special move? No, man, who is this? Chrome Dome. What kind of jive-ass bullshit is this? Fuck I'm doing. Dude, I'm not doing any damage to him either. Whoa, what the fuck? So I'm sorry, tell me your name again?

Me? Yeah. Dmitri. Dmitri. All right, good to meet you, Dmitri. Yeah, you weren't in the studio Yeah, and Dave will be back in a bit He went to go

Oh shit I got to He went to He went to Grab some dice Okay And some other shit So he'd be back in a bit

Yep Yep Clickety clack Dude I got to ask you How did you find this space Do you remember D? I don't There's a gym next door

I thought we were signing up for the gym. I came out looking for us. Oh, there we go. We're doing some damage now. Yeah, we found it on Craigslist, actually. Okay. Yeah. I mean, we were looking for a good few months. Pat you bring any cigars?

We have a whole hemorrho over here full of cigars. Yeah, we can smoke it up anytime you want. As soon as I've got your hands full, I guess, I says. No, no, I'm going to break one out very shortly here as soon as I'm done here. Yeah, after we beat this guy, we can take a break here. Well, there's like three more levels, I think, after this. So it's all right. Buckle up, boys.

Yeah, you're at time. You're in it now. You're in it. So, yeah, Jack Pat listens to your show. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Well, he has to avoid mine because he can't, you know. There we go.

Well, God forbid he. Well, God forbid he says anything nice to me because he actually knows me. So you guys, we went to West Point together? Yeah. What year do you graduate? 06. Okay. Barely.

Yeah. How many demerits did you have? They still make you march back then? Yeah, yeah. We call them hours. Marching marching hours. I had 115. Okay, that's pretty good.

I was up there. It was a respectable amount. Yeah, that's respectable. Yeah, that's the Century Club. Yeah, Century Club is respectable. It means you're not taking yourself too seriously while in school. Respect. What do you got there?

Is that Ronald Vettel? Yeah, Rockies 1990. 1990? Yeah. That's a good stick. I like that. Yeah. I like the 60 gauges.

Yeah. Oh, you like that? Well, he likes thick shit in his mouth. Yeah, right. So that will come from a mile. Yeah. No, I actually have taken to the smaller coronas lately. Okay.

We have a box. There are Espinoza and knuckle sandwich. Oh, yeah, knuckle sandwich. Isn't that guy Fieri? Maybe, I don't know. I think knuckle sandwich is Guy Fieri. Game over, retry. What happened?

Oh, uh-oh. All right, we take a break. It's all right. Feel free, by the way, if you use or this is an idea. Too bad that we killed one of our cameras this morning. Oh, yeah. How did you manage that? Yeah, that thing's still out, Dee?

Yeah, bro. Yeah, I'm fucking, it's stressing me out. You bring it back to that stuff. I don't get it. I don't know what we did. Here, I will... I'm passing you the mic. Sure.

You just stick that on there. I'll turn this one on. I'm going to go sit over there. I'll pull something out of the humidor. Good. Brought you today, you had no idea you were going to get miced up. Did not. You're ready, though.

All right. This is nice. Happy Friday. Welcome. Thanks for coming. Yeah, thanks for having us. What happened to Josh? I guess he's doing some freelance work in the media space right now

and given everything that's going on in the world right now, specifically this country. He's a little busy. What's going on? I don't know. Somebody's getting arrested. Maybe not getting arrested. Who knows?

Yeah. Dave, your bag doesn't need to be there. I'm sorry. Ah, Beasel. Yeah. Nice. A guy. Yeah.

Oh, that's your humor do it? Yeah. Very nice. Yeah, these were really good. You might go. Got that Las Cavaleras in here? These have been pretty good. too.

Nice. A little cigar lounge. Yeah, man. Yeah, it's fucking stressful. All this AV stuff, man. We've been doing this for three years and we're still a bunch of fuck-ups.

It's terrible. Let me tell you, it doesn't really ever get much better. Everybody deals with these sorts of problems. You forget to hit record. I remember one time. Yeah, I've done that before. We went in, oh my gosh, I'm blanking on his name right now. He's still a sitting congressman.

He was an SF guy. No, yeah. Oh, what is his name? Oh, Waltz. Yes. Yeah. Yes. So we sat there, had a fantastic conversation with this gentleman.

We get out of the interview, and our producer at the time, he's no longer with us. And he was why. Yeah. No, that was one of the driving factors, unfortunately. He's like, yeah, I forgot to him. Oh, my gosh. That was unfortunate, because it was a really, really... How long was the interview?

45 minutes? Audio only? No, audio and video. And he didn't notice that he was not recording. You got neither. No, he got neither. So, that happens, I guess. I remember recording with, oh boy, I won't even mention his name because he'll be so embarrassed.

He's a really good guy. But I remember recording with him a few times where, like, the levels are bouncing on the machines and everything, but he like pops out the CD, but it's back at that time, and like nothing recorded on this CD, what the hell? That's frustrating. That's tough.

Just because even if you recognize, let's say 15 minutes in, like, crap, we're not recording, I promise you each and every time in that first 15 minutes, it was an excellent conversation. You can't ever recreate that. You go back and try and hit the same subjects,

but it's not going to be the same. The spontaneity, how people react, the thoughts they had at the moment. So it'll never be the same. So I guess the moral of the story is always hit record. It record. Remember to hit that button. How many episodes have you guys done now? Over 500.

Wow. I just know it's over 500. I forget what the actual is. How are off you record once a week? Twice a week. Twice a week. Yeah. It was once a week in the beginning for a while.

And then we expanded twice. Drop back down to one. I think that was at the time when one of our co-hosts, Kate, female, she went out on maternity leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're like, all right, we'll drop back to one. Then we went back to two. So we're still at two right now.

Yeah, so it's over 500 episodes. The first episode was September 2016. And now here we are almost seven years in. And are all three of you on every episode normally? Yes. You know, barring some sort of. of obligation somewhere, yes, we are all on every episode. Kate joined us.

Oh, I'll say about 100 episodes in. In the beginning, it was just Chaps and I. And he found her because of all things, she tweeted something about some sort of food. I forget if it was a piece of food. He told me it was like a sandwich that looked like a vagina. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She tweeted that, not knowing who Chaps was,

and a bunch of people started tagging Chaps. in the tweet and like, oh, chapter you got to see this. So he reached out. He had no idea who she was. Turns out, you know, she's a Marine. She had worked for John Stewart. So she had experience in the space. She had done comedy.

So at the time, she was writing for Duffel Blog. I don't know if you're familiar with Duffel Blog. Yeah, yeah. Are you familiar? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Duffel Blog is hysterical. So she came on just to do an interview, and then she came on to just do social.

And then before you know it, She was just the third chair on the show, and here we are. That's what happened with Dee. He just insinuated himself into our infrastructure until I didn't, like, how did you get here? Who are you? Like, how did this even happen? And he refused to leave. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, now he's parked over there yelling at me about stuff. That's the way it goes, though. You just make yourself valuable, right? Yeah. That's it. You put that ashtray in the middle. Do you don't mind, please? Do we have another ashtray, Dee?

That's fine. I don't know what the fucking went. We had a second one. It's weird. I leave and then like ashtrays disappear. Yeah. Disappers disappear. Yeah.

Things grow legs. Well, no one else is in here but us. I mean, what? So it's just your guests. You got to start interviewing higher caliber individuals. Stop bringing this enlisted riffraft around. Precisely. You won't have to worry about things walking away on you.

Officers are the worst, man. They are. You know it. You know who don't lie. I mean, there's a lot of us who are bad. We know plenty of them, right? Yeah. Who I wouldn't want to slip through the cracks. Yeah, exactly. Nobody's got 100% hit rate. It happens. Oh, man. But I'm curious, because I've actually never asked, what was the impetus for you to start this show?

Well, I mean, like, long story short, I mean, I was podcasting with Ian Scato since, like, 2000. 12, I think. 12, well, I started, I think, in 12, and maybe Ian came next year in 13. I'd have to ask him exactly. Ian actually might be by later tonight. And, I mean, I, I mean, the company we were with was just such a train wreck. I left the company. And basically, I think actually the day after I left the company, I started this podcast.

Okay. Yeah, had everything like set up. Well, not like it is now, but had like the skeleton of, it sure um and uh and just started recording and then and then dave came on like maybe the second or third episode and uh in the first like maybe like 20 episodes of the show was just us drinking and there's be like a like a you know a white sheet hanging behind us and we're just like getting drunk and just like discussing whatever whatever we were riled up about at the time and then you know eventually became a little bit more yeah show evolves yeah they all do they all start a little

bare bones like that, I think, and go from there. You've had some really amazing guests on the podcast since you've been doing it. Yeah, thanks me. It's pretty cool to see. You know, now it seems like there's, I mean, more and more and more. And, you know, can you feel like you have, I mean, you have like a backlog almost of guys that you want to interview, right? I mean, we're scheduled like two months in advance right now.

Oh, wow. Yeah, which is kind of like normal at this point, normally like two, three months. I mean, we've been like four months out sometimes. Because we record normally once a week every Friday. Sometimes, you know, Dee gets us in here on weekdays as well. But we're trying to do, like add in an extra two episodes a month. So like every other week we'll have a second show like on a Tuesday or Monday. That's the goal.

Hopefully by the end of the year we're doing two a week. We'll see. but um yeah so i mean yeah i mean it kind of just starts off you know i mean you probably know i mean it starts off like just like calling up your friends like hey you want to come on this show yeah yeah yeah yeah and uh old contacts and things like this old teammates right and then it just kind of evolves from there and now it's kind of at the point like contact like some fairly like substantially you know people who are important in in the in that world and they've like heard of the like oh yeah i know you're probably

podcast is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually like, like, I, fuck it. I mean, I'll go ahead and like name drop someone. Chris Miller reached out to us because he's doing his book thing and everything. It was like, oh, I love your podcast. Can I come on it? And I'm like, okay, yeah, this is a lot easier than me chasing people down.

Yeah, begging them to come on. I've chased people down for years, some people before getting them. I mean, they're still people that I chase, too. No, I mean, largely like a lot of our guests, same things. just like going in DMs. Yeah, yeah. Luckily, you know, in 2016, at the start of it, we had the name of Barstool behind us.

I won't act like that didn't help us because people knew Barstool. You know, on the fourth episode, we had Rob O'Neill. So obviously that lends some credence. And then from there, you just get guys that, you know, they don't care like who you are. They'll go on any podcast,

whether it has five listeners or five million listeners. They're just happy to help you out because they're a fellow veteran and they want to do that for you. But it's just and then from there, you know, once you build the reputation and build a catalog of guests, it gets easier and easier from there. Although it's not always easy because I recently told a story about how One Tree Hill, the show, how it saved my life in Iraq. and we reached out to Hillary Burton and Sophia Bush to come on the show and talk about that and they were too busy.

So maybe another time. I know. I've lobbied for a Mia Khalifa interview. But hey, you know, look. They're stars. They're stars. You know, this is a little podcast out here in Brooklyn. Right.

But if you don't ask, you'll never get anybody. So let me know what Mia. I'll let you know. Who's been a guest for you? of you guys, though, where you left the conversation and you're like, that was pretty cool, or that was a good combo.

Fuck, I mean, just the one we did on Friday with Alan Mack was really good. He was a MH-47 pilot. He was awesome. He was great. Yeah, there are so many. I mean, we're working more and more to try to have, like, even fly people

out here and have him, like, be here in person. Right. You know, it's not the same over Zoom, but on the other hand, And like a lot of those, there's some really good interviews that we did over Zoom. And if it wasn't done remotely, it wouldn't have happened at all, right? Sure. Sure. Yeah.

I mean, just trying to be flexible, I guess. Yeah. I think Les Sandusky's was awesome. Yeah, Les came in, he was in studio. He was great. He was a Ranger. We're having another Ranger Battalion dude in next Friday. Yeah.

Yeah, this Friday coming up. Okay. Speaking of Rehn, I just triggered my memory, one of our early, early guess. Like episode 10 was Matt Eversman. Oh yeah, yeah. He was, uh, he was a very nice guy. Uh, it was, it was interesting too because obviously we talked about his service, but then we also kind of talked about like the behind the scenes of making Black Hawk down and how he was involved in that. Um, and I always hesitate to tell people to go back and listen because what our show sounded like episode 10 is

very different than what it sounds like now. It's just not as polished there, but it was still interesting interview. You know, one thing that sticks out, it's like the battle did not happen exactly how it's portrayed in the movie, because you just can't, right? It's like his character in the movie, Josh Hardin, it was kind of like an amalgamation of a few different people. But for continuity's sake, they can't like introduce

68 characters into a movie because it's just too hard to follow. The Delta Dan Kai was also like, they choose like one person and like, this is the Ranger, this is the Delta Force guy, this is the pilot. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a good one for sure. But from here, I don't know. Who else we get?

We'll just keep going. You guys cover like all sorts of different topics too, right? Like culture and news. Yeah. It goes beyond the military community. I mean, it's always at its heart. We try to tie it back to the military, but that doesn't mean we won't have. So someone that comes in mind, Chaps had an opportunity to sit down with David

Faradie, the golf commentator who went to Live Golf, and everybody knows the controversy behind Live Golf. So it was just like, hey, what's your story? Why did you go over there? Because also, David Faraddy does a lot of charitable work for veterans, for American veterans, even though he's from Ireland. So, you know, there's usually like some sort of tangential connection back to the military. But, I mean, we'll talk to anybody.

I had an opportunity. It was silly because it was one of those, like, not silly, but it was just one of those quick media hits where I got like seven minutes with Channing Tatum when that movie Dog was coming out. Seven minutes better, no minutes. True. He was a very nice guy.

Him and his director, who was his buddy that they made the movie. And not a true story, but, you know, the themes were there. We interviewed Chad Collins recently, who's the actor who did, he's doing the sniper film. Yeah. He was cool. Unfortunately, like, I mean, and there's like a military tie and all that, but our audience is like very much like they want to see the dude, right? They want to see like, you know, soldiers.

They want to see guys who are veterans telling their own story. Yeah. Well, so I think that's probably the biggest area where you guys differ from us because. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. You know, Chaps was. dog handler and the Marines work with recon. You know, I didn't do anything particularly

like high speed. Like, you know, your background. I think people gravitate towards the special operations community. We're talking about that, about the movies they choose to make nowadays and how it's always focused on like the horrobes of some special ops guy. Right, right, right.

And then, you know, Kate, by no means can undersell her story because she was doing stuff. I just found out recently. I've known her for how many years. You know, she's going out attached to Marine infantry units as like the

what were our teams in the Army called where it was like... You're talking about FET teams? Yes. Yeah. I've been trying to get Kate on the show for like a year. Okay. Email her like chaps put us on an email thread. She doesn't check her emails. She has like 86,000

unread emails and that's not an exaggeration on the number. So if you want her, I can just put you on a text chain with her, and then you'll have a better chance of getting her over here. Yeah, the Marines had that specific program. It had a different acronym, as I recall. I think the FET was the Army, and I think, because we worked with them,

the Marine female engagement team, we worked with them in Iraq. Yes. But what was interesting was on the, you know, AAR or debrief, whatever they called it, they weren't allowed to say that she was out there being attached to them because I guess technically at that time female Marines weren't supposed to be with infantry units and they were pretty strict about it so they had to say that she was

she gave some bullshit explanation of what they had to call it but for all intents of purposes she was just with an infantry unit um so that was weird but I didn't realize that until maybe like two weeks ago well then it would have been an interesting story if like she got winged out on patrol and they'd have to say oh she fell on a tent peg right yeah Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So, but that's, I mean, that's what moves tickets, too.

If you're talking about it from like a movie perspective. Oh, absolutely. Make a movie by a guy sitting at Gate Guard. Right, right, right, right. It's interesting to hear guys, like, you know, the cool guy stuff is what, you know, what sells tickets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and when it's like infantry,

like conventional infantry guys, it's like saving private Ryan, we were soldiers once, like big set piece battles. Yes, yes, yes. So I'm kind of curious to your perspective. And Pat, you know, I'd be interested to hear your take as well. There are people, and we don't need to name names, but there are people in the vet community who are kind of like making their living off of the general public being thirsty for those stories.

Yeah. And I think at times maybe embellished, maybe not, but they really play to that desire from the, you, You know, Joe Blow, American public, who wants to hear those stories. Right, right, right. But they do it in such a way that it's almost as though they're, I don't know, I don't want to say glorifying, but. Yeah, I'm very, I am conscious of that kind of thing. And I think, like, I was saying a ways back, like, something I'm proud of, and I mean, this is, this sounds very self-serving, but something I'm proud of that, of the people we've had on this show is, you know,

some like really adult conversations about combat and killing and death and like not glorifying it. Also not like feeling ashamed about like killing the enemy. Not at all. But we've had guys on here who were doing the recovery for extortion 17 and for was a turbine 3-3 in the lone survivor. And the lone survivor mission. I mean just some really terrible stuff. Yeah. And guys like telling them the real stories and like really how difficult that.

was and what they went through. And yeah, so, I mean, it's like a fine line too, right? Because, like, on one hand, it's like, I think people should be, like, proud of what they did, you know, especially if you're, like, recovering fallen soldiers and returning their remains to their families. I mean, it's an honorable thing to do.

Yeah. But then, yeah, there's that line of, like, are we kind of just relishing in stories of, like, killing guys and stuff? Right, and almost like glorifying and trying to profit off of it. Right, right. Whereas I get that impression from some people, not all. What were you going to say? No, I mean, I think the general, the guy, you know, the guy that I grew up with who didn't serve in the military wants to hear about bad guys getting shot.

Yeah. That's just what it is. Sure. You know, but I think the guys that, you know, the guys that have done that and the guys that you've had on the show aren't so enthusiastic. I'm not so enthusiastic about talking about that. And that's what makes it so compelling to hear when they do open up because there's really nowhere else to get that. You're not getting that at your local VFW hall most of the time. You know what I mean?

At the local bar, there's always that guy that's talking, and that's not the guy that did it. Yeah, it's really funny you mentioned that because, yeah, it's exactly that. And I think, like, a lot of people don't understand even like when you get together with, like, old army buddies and war buddies. Like, we don't talk about, like, firefights. No. Like, shooting people. Like, that's not the topics of conversation, really. It's more about, like, you know, oh, remember when private such and such got locked in that locker for 12 hours?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that kind of stuff that comes up. So yeah, yeah, you're right. It's like it's something we don't really talk about even amongst ourselves so much. So but then let me ask you, you coming from the special operations community, silent professionals, what do you think? So all these people who are from the special operations community across the different branches who have written books, who have, you know, given their story to have a movie made. You know, it's on the one hand, it's the American public. There are a lot of people that want to hear those stories.

Yeah, yeah. So that's number one. Number two, once you see a few guys do it and you see like the dollar signs, you're like, well, that's pretty interesting. If people want to hear these stories, do I really fault them for that? So that's another, I think, fine line. Right. And yeah, who the hell am I to tell anyone they can't do that?

I wrote a book. You know, go for it. So this was actually my roundabout way to confront you about that. Yeah. I'm just kidding. No, no. I mean, I'm not a silent professional. I haven't been in the Army in 12 years.

Yeah. I mean, I got out a while ago. And now I'm a journalist and podcaster, bro, deep behind enemy lines in Brooklyn. So, I mean, I have a totally, totally different position. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, the quiet professional thing is interesting because, I mean, yeah, we expect our soldiers to be that. But then, I mean, there's a lot of, like, interesting dynamics there. Are you just after you get out, are you supposed to like be completely silent?

For your whole life? Can you tell your wife and kids about it? Yes. No. Yes. No. How far is too far, right? And actually now I'm getting, hearing from some of these guys, some of the Rangers actually, and the guy who's coming on on Friday, he's like, I really don't want to read a book.

But doing a podcast interview is a way that I can like share my story during an interview. And that's something like my kids could see or other folks who are interested. interested in that kind of, and maybe joining the army or whatever. Yeah, I mean, the posterity aspect is great. We had a gentleman, I'll say his name, and nobody would know who he is. His name was Stanley Rubin. This man at the time was 92. This was one of our early episodes.

He fought at the Battle of Iwo Jima. And he came on with this notepad, and he just went through and recounted his story for us. and then we ended up making it a two-part episode and I mean the detail with which he described everything and so matter-of-factly and his grandson is the one who kind of set it all up and he said like that was so amazing

because so many of us in our family most of us in the family never heard that before and now they have that for all time so you know his grandson can then share it with his kids and be like oh you just learned about Iwo Jima in school, well, look at your great grandfather did. It's amazing. And I think that is so cool. But think about it too, like nowadays,

these guys that are, you know, guys that are joined the military now might not see a war. Sure. And they're a veteran and they want to, you know, there are plenty of guys that can tell the war stories. And when you hear someone tell a war story and you're kind of want to be a part of the story

and when you don't have that, you know, it's tough, then you embellish and that's where the embellishments all come from. Yeah, right. because I think so many guys think like, oh, well, if I didn't fight in some weird, crazy major battle, did I really serve? Right.

It's like, you did. Yeah. Everybody's service matters. Yeah. Everybody's journey. Everybody plays a role. I think the interesting thing, too, nowadays is, I think there's a search for some sort of like validation from our generation.

Yeah. And it's not like validation like, I want to be personally validated as some sort of hero or something, but it's a validation that like, I want an acknowledgement that this war happened. And so I think there's a piece of that that it's like all of these guys carrying around this experience, however long they were in 10 years,

20, some people gave a substantial part of their life to this. Yeah, sure. Some guys did, I talked to a guy the other day, did 18 deployments. And it's like, you know, that kind of stuff, right? And where was, what was he doing? He was doing 18 deployments? you arrange a battalion back okay

like at what time period during the GWAT probably 2001 till the end of the war yeah pretty much like came in right at the right time and um and I think like guys like that get out and like the way these wars ended

and it's like it's like just this period of your life that's like this void like did that really happen was it like this weird dream we all had collective collective nightmare we all lived through and so it's like yeah how do you place that what does that mean

and so I think that's maybe the the motivator for some of the guys to talk about it because it's just this very odd thing like where do you place that entire 20 years of your life or four years or however long it may have been like what was that what did it mean yeah and I think a lot of guys to your point about the way things ended in Iraq and Afghanistan there's no closure no no no and I think I said it in 2020 one when we had the 20th anniversary of 9-11

and I tied it back to the Army-Navy football game because I felt like 9-11 was kind of really the jumping-off point. If we wanted to point to one singular thing that really put us in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think for all intents and purposes, you could point to 9-11.

I mean, certainly there were things that happened before 9-11 that built up to that. But I felt like the Army Navy game coming back to New York. I know the game was in New Jersey, but you know what I'm talking about. Could serve as like maybe this bookend. And then two weeks ago we were talking about the 20th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq. And I got emotional about it. And I was like maybe that little bookend that I talked about two years ago, you know, that was all neat and orderly.

But it might not ever just be bookended. It might just kind of just sit there. 20 years, by the way, it's like... Yeah. You know what I mean? Does it seem like when you really think about it that it was that long ago? But 20 years, when you look at the pictures from the original, you know, orvation of Iraq, like, it looks ancient.

Yeah. Like the mismatched... I mean, down to our gear. Camo pattern is... You want to hear, like, a moment that made me feel old. One of the many, like, nerdy things I do is, like, painting these models like this one and the one behind you, the squid that's on the shelf behind you. you.

Nard alert. Yeah. So I was Yeah, you are a fucking geek. So I went to, I went to one of those conventions or whatever where it's like all, all these like old timers and they do

like the World War II dioramas and stuff. It's like, oh man, it's so fucking cool. And I'm looking at these like World War II diaramas and then I get to one. And it's a striker in Iraq in like 2006. And I'm like, like my mortality flashing

the blood draining from my face. That was, that was us. this isn't this isn't the s a s in northern africa like what this is this was us this wasn't that long ago yeah well that's the thing too it's like wait this wasn't this long ago but then when i think about it it's like i showed up to iraq in 2008 that was 15 years ago almost yeah that's a long time and when were you there uh yeah i was there in eight too yeah the late's uh yeah eight to nine yeah and then nine to ten so you're on you're on the radio all the time Pat, what was your journey like after you graduated West Point?

Or what was your journey to West Point to start? I can tell you that story. So I'm from New York, born and raised, and my dad was a fireman, was killed 9-11. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, I mean, I wanted to go to West Point before that. I started the whole process. I was waitlisted.

It's funny, my congressman at the time was Anthony Weiner. And if I had known what I needed to do. Back then, I didn't get my nomination the first time. You know, it's a saturated market around here. But Carlos Dainter, I couldn't send a few pictures. I might have gotten in the first time around. But, yeah, so I didn't get in. I went to, went to college and knew I went to, I went to college for a year on a bagpipe scholarship.

Holy shit. Yeah, this guy plays FDMI Pipes and Drums. That's amazing. Yeah. So anyway, I mean, it actually worked out great because if I had gotten in to school that year, I wouldn't have, I was working at Ground Zero. I was 18, you know, but my, my brother and I have a younger brother who's now a fireman, too.

Actually works in the same firehouse my dad used to work in, which is kind of cool, kind of full circle on that side. But yeah, I mean, we did all the funerals. We were doing the, you know, playing the pipes, you know, 10 funerals a weekend sometimes. And, yeah, I mean, so I went into West Point in July of 2002, pretty much like, ready to go, you know. But then you hit,

that four years of school that's, you know, you're not like, I should have probably enlisted. Like, that would have probably been the better move for me. But I was kind of like I had started this journey with my dad, like, trying to apply. It was helping me with the whole thing. And I said, I'm going to see it through. And then finally getting in a second time around, you know, it was kind of like I had achieved what we had started together. You had some college before you got into West Point.

Yeah. Yeah, you just go back to the start. Okay. Okay. It doesn't really. Yeah. Because I was going to say they don't take transfer. No.

No. You essentially didn't go to college for a year. Right. Okay. So, I mean, that's a crazy journey to start off with. You end up at West Point, taking your demerits. And then what did you branch into?

I was branch into artillery, you know. I mean, it's funny because think about that time frame, a lot of guys wanted, I mean, infantry used to be like you were threatened with infantry sometimes. You know? And after, you know, the guys who joined, we went to West Point in 2002, like, joined after 9-11, like, knowing. Like, they wanted to, they knew what they were getting into, you know. So a lot of the guys that did sign up were, like, we want to go,

we want to go combat arms. And, I mean, most guys, I don't know what the percentage is, but you kind of have to branch combat arms for, like, a percentage of West Point, right? Like, yeah. I don't know what of this, but. So I put infantry first on my list, and because of my class rank, I did not get it. I was kind of put into whatever the next needs of the Army was. But it worked out good.

Me and Kahn's here knew each other at school, you know, had a bunch of mutual buddies. And we ended up in artillery, so we saw each other here and there throughout the years. So what's the force structure and artillery like? Like how many pieces do you have per platoon? Or is it? It's so funny because we never even brought the guns like anywhere.

Really? Yeah, we would do like all these qualifications stuff and, uh, and then we would just leave them and we went, we were regular, basically ended up being regular infantry, like, doing patrols. Same thing for me. Yeah. I mean, like, technically I had four paladins that were there, but I didn't fire them. Paladin's anti-air?

No, no. A paladin is the one that looks like a tank. If everybody, if most people saw the, God, it's a 105. It's a 155 inside a tank. It's a 155. Oh, okay, okay. Oh, okay. Okay.

Um, but yeah, we didn't have any use for him. I remember, then I went to a cab troop, and we were firing a little bit more there because we were on the border of Iraq and Afghanistan. But even by then, I was no longer a platoon leader. I was a FSO, so fire support officer. So I was, I spent a lot more time firing mortars than I ever did firing the paladin. So it was interesting. We brought all this equipment there that just stopped there. Yeah.

Yeah. And you know what? For all I know, still there. yeah yeah it's still in a parking lot so there and absolutely absolutely Taliban is finger fucking it yeah yeah yeah they were I mean at that time especially depending on where you were right they they were using artillery in different well I was in Baghdad we weren't they weren't using artillery anymore at that point you know so it was just patrols and a lot of it was like local you know kind of advisory council sitting down with

these guys and you know one one we're there for a year and that was just during the surge so we there like everyone stopped lost at that time and uh you'd have guys there we need a we need a generator we need this so you do this whole thing cut the ribbon right they're like we're going to give you a you know gas for like three months and we're going to hire a guy and then we come in six months later and the thing's puffing black smoke you know they're the warlord took over the gas distribution and they're like we need a new generator and then our thing becomes right we're going to do something good on our deployment we're going to give these guys a generator and it's just cyclical, you know, just milking it.

I heard a story yesterday about, I guess it was a conventional unit in Afghanistan. And like the Taliban, or it wasn't necessarily Taliban, but those locals had figured out this like drift of selling intel to every unit that came in to this, to hit this one target. And the target was like so far in bad guy land in Afghanistan, no one wanted to go and do BDA.

So they're able to keep like selling, the target to every unit that came in and they'd go drop some bombs on it and they kept bringing the same photographs to every unit like here's the proof good job guys he's like good on them yeah yeah respect the grift yeah gosh i mean but that was that was true of like i feel like everybody over there like the locals kind of figured out how they could get something out of us yeah yeah and i mean you know we're there uh taking over their country in a lot of You're fucking dirt poor. I mean, you're...

Right, right. So why not? Yeah. Taking their guns, taking everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But so then, you know, what... I'm sorry, let me take a step back. Like, where were your deployments?

Afghanistan, early on in like 04, and then Iraq in 05 and then back to Iraq in 2009. Okay, and, you know, talking about that. that closure piece, did you feel like, all right, I did something? Did you get any positives out of your time in Afghanistan and Iraq? I mean,

unlike a micro level, maybe, like I felt like we were accomplishing something, but like big picture, no, I mean, it was all like kind of for nothing, you know,

uh, and that's just kind of like the reality you have to deal with. Um, Iraq was like difficult to, to process all that because like, I think everyone knew deep down what was going to happen when we left. And then, like, the worst possible way, you know, ISIS swept right through that area. All the Iraqis I worked with were either killed or displaced and became, like, internal refugees in Iraq.

Yeah, it's just terrible, terrible shit. Yeah. I mean, like, the TIRP thing became such a story, but, like, that stuff was going on. Those guys, I mean, the kind of negligence sometimes of, like, the stuff we promised some of our interpreters. went back years and years and years, you know. It was not just this like end of Afghanistan thing. Yeah, that was. Those guys were trying to get, you know, and some did, and we know guys that, you know,

their terms of living America now and they're like fully American and kids go to school. But like there was a lot that didn't, you know, like it was kind of hit or miss. A couple of my interpreters were Yazidis. And they were brothers, actually. And them and their families, they were able to immigrate. and they live in Nebraska. I'm pretty sure they both live in Nebraska still. But what happened to their families in Sinjar is like beyond the pale.

It's like the only thing I could think to compare it to is like some Nazi Germany type shit. What happened there? I mean, I don't think people really understand how bad that was. Yeah. And I think people don't realize too. Because in America, you know, don't get wrong. We have some parts of America where people are very poor, and it's very, very sad and unfortunate. By and large in America, I think there are some basics that everybody has.

Basically, everybody has, like, television, Wi-Fi. They know what's kind of going on in the country. There's some predictability in your day-to-day life. Right. Whereas I met people over there. They couldn't tell you what year it was. They just existed. Right.

And, you know, they were born somewhere along the way, and this is the life they knew. they didn't know who Saddam Hussein was And you know all they knew was like All right well this is my land that My family owns and we farm it every day And we feed each other And we sit around and spend time with one another And that was their existence

And it was happy for them because they didn't know any different So I almost Wonder how many people Even cared that we were there in Iraq Like felt like they needed us to be there And I kind of wrestled with that sometimes too. Wasn't there like a, well, I mean, you have to question how accurate any sort of polling

is in Afghanistan considering how the rule it is. But didn't they take a poll where it, like something like 80 or 90% of the people that they interviewed didn't know what 9-11 was? Because how would that? Yeah, it has nothing to do with their lives. Let me tell you, on 9-11, we go to the firehouse and standing outside of the doors that are open and there's a whole bunch of people. guys there in uniform and people walk by every year and go what's what's going on like in new york

in brooklyn wow you know so how's that possible it's just it's not apparent you know it's kind of like i don't know i always say you know pearl harbor they mean something to us like we you know it's veterans like we kind of know right right right the average guy is not thinking about that when oh yeah december seven comes and goes you know and if it affected your family yeah your grandfather was you know infected or something like that, then maybe it's, it is apparent. Yeah. But I think generationally, you just, you know,

if there's a fucking hurricane that hits somewhere else, you're like, oh, that's terrible and it's just you, you know what I mean? But if the hurricane hits you, then it's a big deal. Right, right, right. So I guess the proverbial hurricane hit us. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But not for a lot of people.

But it is amazing. I mean, it's amazing how many people, it did, you know, did feel, really feel, like, affected by it and still do. you know and are you know they remember where they were it's kind of like the you know we remember where you were when jfk was killed like certain things that stand out they're like they know where they were how they felt

you know but but yeah that I think the the thing that I always talk about me my brother at least always talk about is the the sense of patriotism that came immediately finally 9-11 like how like if you looked at it in a graph like it went up and then how it's like slowly over time

like almost petered off which is kind of crazy you know that it takes something like that to bring that out people. Pearl Harbor or 9-11, right? It takes something of that magnitude to like, whoa, what, like shock the system back into feeling proud about being American. Well, yeah, and I mean, I think there are so many competing elements now taking away from that pride in being an American because all you see on the news,

social media is, you know, what's horrible and what's going on that makes this country not great. and if you're just constantly inundated about that, I think it's a challenge for some people to have that pride still. Like I think we all inherently have it because we wore a uniform. We gave service, so we'll always have it. Regardless of what's going on in the world, I don't want to speak for you guys. But for me, like, I'll always have that sense of patriotism. I'll always have that sense of pride.

But I can also step back from that and see why other people are disillusioned by what's going on in this country. I was talking to Dave actually earlier today about how, you know, the Constitution is this incredibly powerful document. And, you know, just what we do here, I can't, there's no country in the world where you could have like a bunch of like ex spies and commandos and stuff. And because of the First Amendment, because we have freedom of the press, you can say things and have open, candid conversations about things that like. And yeah, again, I'm not at all blind to all the terrible shit that even our military. military does. But I mean, the fact that we're allowed to talk about it openly the way we are and have these like really candid conversations like, yeah, there's a lot of things about America that are that are unique and that are pretty amazing. And yeah, you're right. We don't talk

about it maybe. Or there's a such thing as flag waving, but like we don't like talk enough, like get a little bit deeper down into like what makes America like an amazing place. Right. Because I think people, I think a lot of people don't have the luxury to really ever like travel internationally. That's a luxury, I think. Because it's, I mean, certainly. And if they do, they're not traveling to a place like Afghanistan. Right. Yeah, that's what I was getting that.

crushing poverty. Right. You're going to nice places in the world. Greece, Paris, you know, all these fantastic places that I would. Or you go to a third world country with a nice resort. Yes, exactly. If you're going to a third world country, you're not going to that portion that those people live with day to day. And I think that was one of the positives that I took about serving in Iraq is gaining additional perspective.

Yeah, 100%. That I feel grateful for because then it allows me to take things that I deal with in my own life. Don't get it for granted. Not take it for granted. There are still things. I'm like, oh, man, this really stinks. I'd rather not be dealing with this problem or issue. But I still bring that perspective that, you know, it could be worse.

I could be in a country that wouldn't allow a podcast to use your example. Yeah, I mean, like you're talking about with social media. I mean, there's just so much alarmism. Like it gets people's attention, you know, America, the Republic is over. Western civilization is over and all this sort of stuff. It's like, actually, like, things are pretty good. Yeah. Here's the, here's the other point of view that people might want to consider, like, this might be as good as it gets.

We might be living in a golden error here as Americans, and, like, this might be the best we have it. Like, we might just slide downhill. I'm not saying that. Sure. That it might happen. But, I mean, you have to consider, like, we are also sort of, like, at the pinnacle in many ways, the height of, you know, power internationally, but also, you know, domestically. I mean, yeah, okay, we have some problems with unemployment and stuff and people's economic situation is fucked up. I get it.

But, like, also, like, on the relative scale, we're pretty good. Sure. And also, I think just because I operate so much on social media and I'm, you know, I try to stay real tuned into the news. So I expose myself to all the bad shit. People who just, and this is, I think, more rare as the. days go, people who avoid social media and maybe only catch the news once in a while, they're probably happy as shit. Oh, yeah.

What's wrong? What's the problem? What are you guys talking about? What's going on? Yeah, I guess if you, you see people every day, the people who get up every day and run to social media to argue and say, like, why the other side is the worst people to ever exist, that just seems like a miserable existence. I just don't see the benefit in doing that

and being angry all the time. Yeah. Yeah. You talked to like my parents, you know, who they watch like PBS news and maybe that's it. Yeah. And like all this stuff people are outraged on social media.

Like they know nothing about it, any of it. If you tried to explain it to them, they'd be like, what the fuck is that? Right. What do you? Right.

And they're, you know, happy. And, you know, they see you come home and spend time of their parents and you guys have a nice time. Yeah. It's interesting to not like,

I don't know. I don't know if it was as a parent back in the day, but since we, our childhood until now, that it's so polarized. Like, there's such a one side and another side. There's like, there's not as much in between where you're just kind of like. Right.

So I wonder, though, if that's always existed, but we're just more aware of it now. I think we're just more aware of it. Yeah. Yeah. You got 24-hour news cycles just, like, screaming that one side's worse than the other. People are more aware of their own political identities

and it's more important to them than it probably was, you know, 50 years ago. Right, right, right. But then I think that ties back to what I was saying earlier about people in the veteran community who see that opportunity. And jump on it. And jump on it. And to earn a living.

Because at the end of the day, you know, you got to earn a living. You got to make money to survive anywhere. And if you see that opportunity and you can go parrot some talking points and depend on how far down that rabbit hole you want to go. you can be successful. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, without mentioning names, but, like, I see some of these guys

and, like, I actually, like, I'm, I've been critical of veterans at times, but I'm trying to be a little bit more empathetic. Like, I see some of these guys, and, like, it kind of bothers me, like, the harm I think they're doing to themselves. Yeah. Because you're like, yeah, you're turning on the webcam

and you're just ranting every day about this kind of stuff. And it's like, dude, like, why don't you do something that makes you happy? Yeah. You're out of the military. You have a life. Like, why are you going to find what makes you happy?

And I said something about this recently. When I was like 30 maybe, I went and I was sitting with a VA psychologist, and she told me she was like, look, you're young enough that you can, like, build a life for yourself. Like, you can go and create some sort of life for yourself. If you don't, you'll be one of these guys in the waiting room that still are in fatigues. Right. And you'll end up one of those guys. and now it's like another one of those moments where you see like your life flashed before your eyes. It's like, but she was right, you know?

Right. No, no, no. It could be a part of your life, but you don't need to forget about it. You can always be proud of it. You can always refer to it. You can talk about it. But it doesn't necessarily have to define you. It's your identity, yeah. Yes, I think too many people have made it their identity.

Well, I think also just a, and I don't fault anybody for coming away from the experiences of Iraq and Afghanistan being angry about it. it. I was angry about it. I'm still angry about it. But like when you're using that funneling that anger into the sort of, what's the term like a feedback loop where people respond to the emotion, you know, and so they'll tune in and they'll watch that. And so that guy who's doing that, I feel like they're doing damage to themselves because they're just kind of living in that sort of feedback loop rather than like. No, I don't. Because like I have definitely been like balls deep in like vet bro drama in the past. and it's like I don't need to stir it up. I'm just saying like generally speaking, say something that maybe. I'm just trying to clip something. Maybe there's somebody out there that can like take that and use it and run with it and not, you know, do like rants from the front seat of their car every day. Yeah. The other example I use, and I don't want to dive into politics,

but we've been fortunate enough that we've had a handful of politicians on our show, former, they're veterans, both sides of the aisle. And, you know, when nothing's rolling and we're just in their office talking, like, oh, you're a pretty normal person. But it's like, you know, what people see on CNN or Fox News is almost sometimes, in some cases, I think a caricature of what they think they're supposed to be or what they feel like they need to be to maintain their base and maintain that support. And I think that's a shame, too, that they can't actually speak their mind.

I think people are very guarded now. And they're very conscious of, all right, well, what am I going to say? And if I say X, who's that going to annoy? I think there are very few instances, subjects where if you actually are honest, you won't get attacked. But politically, you can say one thing and literally say the exact opposite. And they can have clips of it side by side and it doesn't seem to really matter. Right, right. You know, like they have so many conflicting, like, they've taken a position and done the exact opposite of that position.

And they show the clip from eight years, 10 years ago, whatever. And it's like, whatever, he's this side of the aisle. So I'm good with it. It's like, well, maybe if like so, I mean, it's possible for someone to change their views over 10 years. But, yeah. Right. You're talking about something. I know what you mean.

I mean, it's a little more extreme where they're just. every day kind of. What's wrong with changing your views? I mean, I don't know. There's nothing wrong with it. No, that's, if it's sincere, right? That's my point.

Like, the way I view the world now at 38 is different than how I viewed the world at 28. Sure. And I have those 10 more years of lived experience. I've met different people, had different conversations. So you would think just naturally, from gaining perspective from other people, my viewpoints and my opinions might change. I'm not even talking about people who, like, radically, change one way or the other,

but I think it's just natural to evolve your opinions over time. So anyone who's just so hard and fast, like, well, I'm this side of the aisle, whether that's politically or in the veteran space, so these are the stances I'm going to take, no matter what,

because I do think that happens. I don't think often enough people will say, like, you know what, I thought this 10 years ago, and now because of XYZ, I've actually kind of changed just a little bit, I think a lot of people are unwilling to do that, unfortunately. And a lot of times it's out of survival because they're like,

I don't want people to come at me. Man. And it stinks, I think. That sucks. Yeah. It does. Right? What does that mean like in the bigger picture?

You know, like nobody's really saying what they really mean anymore? I don't think so. Yeah. By and large, I don't think so. I think people are saying what they know to be a few things. things what they know to be non controversial for their

quote unquote supporters, their side and they're going to say whatever's along the lines of their party lines and I don't think you always get the honest truth out of most people.

Like do you have... No, I don't think you're wrong. No, no, no. Let me ask you. You know, from the time you started, this show 200 episodes ago till now, has your opinion changed on any topic? I'm sure. I mean, I can't think of something like off the top of my head. I mean, each, you know, just about everyone we have on here, like I learned something new.

So, like, I think not so much, like, I can't think off the top of my head like a big political view that maybe I've changed my mind about. Something will occur to me. But like something that is on my mind, I really really. an article about something maybe eight years ago and there was an aspect there like just a factual thing about how something worked that now I'm revisiting this topic

and writing something much more in depth and I realized that I got something wrong back then and I think I'm going to be able to correct it and tell a more complete story so I mean yeah for sure there there's I'm learning things all the time about you know about about this world

that changes my views about things. Even something you just said, today's day and age, and I don't think this is hyperbole, was very brave. You just said, I might have gotten something wrong. I know I got something wrong.

I got something wrong. That's okay. We're not all infallible. Nobody's infallible. You're allowed to make mistakes in this world and this life. I don't think there's anything wrong with making mistakes

so long as you take that. stance at like hey hand up got this wrong and i want to correct the record it's not it's not healthy to just kind of like keep doubling down on on something that and i think people double down yeah i think people will i think just a lot of people don't operate on good faith that's the good that's the good that's the good they don't operate on good faith like jack is down you should be able to pick it up to say that he's you know he fuck something up or got something wrong most people are not they double down like you said i think that's the biggest problem with people and it it happened Like, I mean, yeah, when a lot of people are like coming at you all the time, too, I mean, I think it reinforces that and probably solidifies your views when you're kind of, if you feel like you're in combat all the time, linguistic combat.

Yeah, no. Again, this is a byproduct of existing on social media in a heavy way. You see somebody say something and it could be about a serious topic or it can be about something stupid. and somebody disagrees with you. I'll speak for myself and I see that. I'm like, am I wrong? And then you look and it's like, oh, that person has 10 followers and they're nameless and faceless.

Should I really put too much stock into what that person says? Probably not. Probably not, but it's, I still read it. I give credit to anybody who exists these days and doesn't read anything and doesn't consume anything that is negative against them, because that's probably a much happier existence. You know what, now that you mentioned,

you know what, what's something that I feel differently about from, you know, let's say 10 years ago, was, again, I came out of the military very angry about everything. And I was one of those people that's like, basically, you know, what would I compare it to?

I'm trying to think. But I was definitely one of those people that like, you know, everything we're told is lies. It's all lies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all this sort of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I was black-pilled, exactly.

And I think now that maybe I have some distance from some of those things that made me angry, but also learned a lot more about how the government works or doesn't work. I'm probably more patriotic now, actually, than I was maybe even when I was in the military. Because, yeah, okay, I was serving the country and everything. But now I feel like I'm maybe like bought into the idea of America more than I did then. And now, not mindlessly, now I bought into it knowing how fucked up parts of it are too. So I think that's like part of something about me that's probably changed over a period of time. Yeah.

You're less maybe disenfranchised now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. So like for example, like back in those days, I didn't even vote because I was like, well, it doesn't matter. Right. It's like fucking the little button when you, to change the traffic light. Like you keep hitting it and nothing happens.

Now it's like, no, actually, like everything we've seen actually in recent years, it's like, well, Actually, no, those votes do count. It is a real election. Yeah. You know, and as we've seen, like, people can go out and vote for a candidate who no one thinks is going to win, even the candidate themselves. Right. But if you go out and vote for them, they will be in office. So, yeah, it does matter.

Yeah. And people should participate in some level. Yeah. And I'm much more, I think that's so important on the more local that you get. True. I think things that happen at the highest level, I think eventually trickle their way down, but I think you're able to see it in a more... I've had people who are more involved in local...

I'm really not involved in local politics, but I've had people who I've met who are, who have pointed out, like, what you do for, like, let's say a local politician in Brooklyn has so much more impact than national level politics. This is Dave, by the way. Dave, this is... Dave. Nice to meet you.

What's your name? Pat. Pat. Pat. Con. Pleasure. Pleasure. Pleasure.

Yeah, you too. Hussie, you have some thoughts. What do you got? No, you asked the question, like something that we've changed our opinion about. Yes. Public health care is one of those things. It was because of one of our guests, actually. It was because of Ian, you know, because he had studied, he had studied, like, like, public health management or whatever.

and Ian Carusagee. He lives here in the city and he was a ranger and he does something in public health care policy. Yeah, excuse him. And yeah, and you know

talking to him in depth about it and, you know, reading about sort of the, you know, what it costs now for taking care of people that are uninsured compared to what it would cost to an...

So, I've changed my mind on that because they were very like he had very solid, well-founded reasoned arguments about it not arguments but, you know, points about it. I still don't trust the government to do it

because they can't even get the VA right. It's like if you can't take care of this small group, this small population, how are you going to take care of everybody? I feel like it's an opportunity rife for corruption. But I've definitely changed my opinion on

you know, on is it is, you know, is it a beneficial thing for our society? Sure, sure. But I think, you almost think it's possible for

the VA and the veteran population to serve as a microcosm for the country and like focus on getting it right with the VA and our veterans because then you can point to it and say, look, this works. That's how I feel too. Like if you get it right then you'll have, you'll like you'll have a

solid argument. Right, right, right. Until you get that right, though, it just shows, because, like, here in New York, the doctors at the VA here are phenomenal. Because they rotate through, like, they're great doctors. But the bureaucracy is the bureaucracy. And, you know, they still treat you,

you know, like when you put in for a disability, they still act like it's the money coming out of their pocket. Like, they'll kick back everything. Yeah. Right. And it's, it's sort of like, these are the same people we would deal with in any other bureaucracy that our government, you know, and this isn't a political thing. This isn't left or right. This has been our government forever.

You know, the bureaucrats aren't going to let go of power. And the bureaucrat just kind of feeds itself, it builds itself. And so those are the types of things that concern me. It's like if the government were to say, hey, we're going to give every, you know, all veterans health insurance, like no VA, like just go out there and do your, here's your insurance. I mean, that would get rid of a lot of the, I mean, put a lot of money in life, you know, health insurance. But here's something I'll say about VA, though, is there are a lot of, VA is very good in helping a lot of destitute people who otherwise would have no health care at all. Sure. But yeah, then we all know how fucked up VA can be.

But, I mean, think about if there was no VA, how fucked all those people would be. Right, absolutely. Because, you know, to defend them, it still exists and it's still well-intentioned, I think. And there's a, I think the budget for VA hit like $300 billion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We put a lot of money into it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, but it's tough.

still a challenge. It's a work in progress. Yes. Yes. But it's encouraging to see the strides the VA has made in the right direction to help everybody.

Yeah, I mean, it's a bureaucracy and like some of these things are like case studies and like how long it takes for the bureaucracy to change. Like I'm seeing it with in the military with all like the sex assault stuff and everything like that. Like it's slow. the ship is turning around, but like, man, it took a sustained amount of public pressure for that to happen.

But, I mean, I think when you're talking about, take that as an example, sexual assault, you're still dealing with, I think, remnants in the military of a time gone by. Oh, big time. There were not as focused on, well, we're all in the military together, and, you know, women have equal rights in the military, just like men do, because they came from a different generation. And I think those people are starting to age out. But it takes time.

Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, the military itself, it's sort of like in this time warp, like it's still 1955, I think. In some ways, yeah. But, yeah, it's slowly, slowly changing. The other issue, and Jack and I've talked about this before, about like with sexual assault

in the military is, and this is a lot of behavioral issues in the military is, is when you hold officers accountable

for that kind of stuff, when you say this is going to end your career, they have more, not that it's the moral thing or ethical

thing, but they have more incentive to make it go away than they do to make sure that it is addressed,

that it's investigated, things like that. You know, so it's sort of like, it's sort of like officer is getting in trouble because private Joe Snuffy went out and got in a drunk driving accident over the weekend it's like yes that happened on his watch technically but he can't watch every private in the entire like battalion and and this should not affect his career right like so a buddy of mine he just uh texted our group chat he's like hey I just got selected for battalion command and I think about that it's like okay you're going to take command of a battalion, 500 people.

It's not realistic to think that on Friday at 5 p.m., he can know what 500 people are going to do. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's not the military. I think that's anybody. If you said, like, hey, you're in charge of 500 people to know what each and every one of those people is doing.

Like, certainly you can have training. You can try to implement a culture. Safety brief. See how, yeah. Big safety brief. Yeah. Those work. Those work.

Those work. Briefs, those work. But right, like, we're joking, but, like, yeah, it's like, why is that a joke? Because it's like, is it realistic to think that people aren't human and people won't make mistakes? That someone's not going to have too much to drink and get in a car and get a D.Y or, you know, run off the road and hit somebody. Like, that's just, that's human nature. So to think that you can just flip a switch and that's going to change. Yeah.

Right. But at that time, you're like, you're trying to almost parent hundreds of, that you're kind of, that's what you're doing. I'm trying to be a parent to other adults, albeit, you know, a lot of times younger adults, who may not have that fully functioning brain. Over time, I feel like it keeps people like infantile, too. Yeah. Because they're like, instead of holding, like, the person directly accountable, it's like this weird sort of construct that we've set up. you know, if you go to college and you don't show up for class, you fail. You've got to get yourself dressed, you know.

Right. The military has these weird mechanisms where in some ways there's like a lot of accountability and responsibility put on you, but there are also these areas where there's failings. Yeah, like, why am I getting a phone call on Saturday night? Because one of my soldiers just got locked up in jail. Like, I get why I'm the one getting the call. But when you take a step back, you're like, why is a, 23-year-old getting a phone call for the actions of a 20-year-old.

Right. Like, you take it on that scale, you know, like, if you just said that on paper to somebody It sounds bizarre, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Like, wait, why does this adult have to be responsible for that adult? And again, I get it because of our rank structure, and I'm ultimately in charge of responsible. If you were deployed in a war zone, I would agree.

Yes. On a weekend off. Yes. Well, that's what's so unique about the military, because in corporate America, there's a similar structure to the rank and file and stuff like that. And, you know, if someone gets drunk and whatever. Is it their boss's fault? Their boss doesn't get a call.

Right. Right. And that's just odd. That's very odd. That's why it's so unique. And then to your point, it's like, can that ultimately affect your career? Sure can. Yeah, yeah.

It's like, oh, well, while you were in Battalion Command, you had five guys to get DUIs. Right. So what's wrong with you? Why are you so jacked up that all your guys are getting DUIs? Right. There must be something wrong with you. Yeah, like you made them go out on the weekend and blow some fat rails of cocaine. It's a leadership failure.

Yeah. That your guys got a Dewee. Yeah. So in that regard, the military is kind of just odd. Very odd. I don't get it. And I don't know that that will... More PowerPoint briefings would help.

Definitely, we just need a better PowerPoint. Yeah. It's always the answer. Yeah. Hmm. So I'm sorry, Dave. What was your background? in the military?

I started out as Marine Reservist, then I was active Navy, and then Army Guard, and then active Army Ranger, and then went into contracting after that. So, like, Goldilocks, like,

yeah, this one's too soft. Dave did everything, except being in the marching band, I think. A bit of a dilettante. Why did you do that? Why did you bounce branch to branch like that? I think that, you know, it's I mean, it seems to say I get bored easily,

but it's more that once I had experienced one thing, like it was about the experience, right? Once I had experienced one thing, it wasn't that I hate it. Like when I left the Navy, I was a hardout dive, as a diabetic, I loved my job, but I wanted to go see what it was like to do something else, you know?

And, and... You really took the recording pitch to... Oh, man. I need my next adventure. I did. I did. Recruiters loved me. Recruiters loved me. Yeah, I just I just always wanted to see what was around the next

corner, you know, and it's also, I think that at that time I was trying to, you know, like prove myself. And like there was probably something lacking in me or something. And it's always like if I feel like I can go through this really tough thing that I'll feel completely.

Sure. And then, you know, and it's great and you love it, but, you know, you don't quite feel complete because there's always something else better out there. Sure. You know, and then when, you know, like I think that, you know, we've talked to other people on the show that feel this way too when they say that 9-11, it sounds really weird to say. But 9-11 was like the fact that that happened or an event like that happened and we went to war was great for me. And again, it sounds like a real asshole thing to say. But I think that, like, having done all those things in a peacetime military and then never, like, having an opportunity to go to combat, which is what you wanted to do, I think it would have been challenging. It would have been challenging, like trying to find that next thing, that next thing, that next thing, to fill that.

Yeah, so in a way, for 9-11 to happen, I think it kind of simplified things, right? It was like, bad thing happened, okay, now we need to go right that wrong. And it was very black and white. Right. It was very clear cut. So now my question to all of you is, now that there's, granted, I know people are still deployed and there's still going to be things for us to do in the military, but because by and large, the GWAT is behind us now,

Yeah. How do you think that will impact soldier, sailors, Marines, performance in the military, whereas I think for some people, when the G.Y was happening, it was like, doesn't matter what I do. I'm going to have to deploy. I'm going to have to go do this in Iraq or Afghanistan. And how I do anything really matters. Now that there's nothing like that on the horizon, how do you think that impacts how people

approach their job each and every day in the military? I really don't have a good answer for. for that. I've talked to some guys who've said over the last few years, like their mission became readiness. Yeah. And, but the problem was, like, no one really knows exactly what that means. What are we getting ready for? What's going

on? And even if you put a, I mean, DOD has inched closer and closer every year to saying, we're getting ready for war with China. Yeah. And it's in documents and stuff now. But even then, I mean, it's still sort of an abstraction, right? It's something over the horizon. Yeah. So, yeah,

I imagine that's a little bit difficult. for young soldiers going in and just trying to... Yeah, yeah. I think we're seeing something similar to what we saw post-Fietnam. Yeah. Which is a degradation of the force. You know, behavior issues, morale issues.

Yeah. You know, I think that a lot of the people who, you know, went to combat, either got out or if they're still in, maybe miss it I think that I think that especially like with the withdrawal from Afghanistan the way happened

I think that there's a great deal of moral injury similar to you know what there was post Vietnam where it's like well what why were we there if we were just going to do this if we were just going to do this this way and like turn everything and everybody over

you know so you know I think I think it'll take a while if we remain a I mean there's still stuff going on in Syria or not but I think if we remain a primarily peacetime military for a while I think it'll take a while to come back around to where you know where where it's a solid stable force inside yeah yeah and you're seeing that I think now with the retention issue yes And their crudiness issue. Yeah.

And the behavior issues, like the stuff out of brag and, you know. What about you guys? What do you think? You know, I, readiness was always, I mean, we think about before 9-11, it was always readiness for like, it was like, what's the movie with Swayze? It was like the Russians are going to invade. Oh, Red Dawn? Yeah, yeah.

You know, those are the types of drills you were doing, you know? And then it became this complete change, right, where we're going out into the dead. desert and it's like this whole shift in terms of approach and um but yeah i mean it's interesting to think of it as like a post vietnam type feel i guess i don't know i mean there's there's so much that gets you know when you build up build up and then the war's going on you don't know when it's going to end and it's like it ends and then you go okay now especially guys who are joining like i always think about that like with them you know like you don't even get an nDSM anymore Yeah, yeah, right.

Well, there's a sort of like temporal displacement that happens, too, because like I read, and it was really all that was available, I read all these warp books, guys who were Rangers in Vietnam and join the Army and think like it's going to be something sort of like that. And it's totally, I mean, what we did was awesome in a different way, but it's like, I imagine today kids are reading books that our generation writes and joining the Army think it's going to be like that. Yes, right. And it's not. No. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I definitely noticed, too, that there's a lot more guys are joining for some kind of soft role.

Like, they're like, I'm going to be a Ranger or a SEAL or something. The way that's in the public's consciousness, probably because of, I can't imagine why. But it's on the public's mind in a way, like, in 2000, you go to Barnes & Noble, you'd find some books that some dudes in Nam wrote. That was about all those available. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah, but so then I wonder, like, will we see that shift the next 10 years where the military is maybe viewed as just like, I had nothing else to do, so I joined the military? Yeah, I wonder.

As opposed to a patriotic reason for joining. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think that they're always going to be, they're always going to be those kids that sort of grew up somewhat patriotic and, you know, like maybe military runs in their family or they just, for whatever reason. and like they want to serve but I also again like I said I think it's sort of like you know World War II happened and you know

and everybody knew it was over it was done there were parades people said good job and then and then I think that made it easier for the men and women involved in World War II to transition into their next life because the war

was done yeah right right it was What I was asked. I was done. It was done. We're all done. You know. Yeah, it was very clear.

It's sort of like, you know, it's a ritual, right? It's a ceremony. It's sort of like a coming of a ceremony. And a funeral ticker tape parade. Yeah. Yeah. You know, in Vietnam and then the GWAT. Like, it just kind of, I mean, it's still fizzling, right?

Like, there's still stuff going on in Africa and Syria. Like, it's still boiling in different places. But it's also. right now it's very limited to soft units and things like that for the most part but nobody ever said the job is done you just decided when you were going to like give up like give up on it or not give up but like when you were done yeah but it was still going on and so i think a lot of people you know because i left in 2010 and you know and you know still have lots of friends and part of he's going well fuck like i'm an asshole you know for

moving on. Yeah. Because there are so people... Like, I'm missing something. Well, it's not just I'm missing something. I mean, there is that. Someone has to do it. It's not me. It is bad. But you're moving on, you feel bad almost. Oh, those guys are still doing it. Because your friends are still doing that or whatever. And you're like, like, I'm the asshole

here for not like being there with my friends. Like, you know, you know, sucking it up. But yeah, but it's six. You guys want a whiskey? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. But there was no like... You like fries. I do, please. I'll take some to them.

Yeah, sure. Yeah, but I think that's one of the challenging things with both Vietnam and this war is, it's just kind of like, well, Vietnam, I guess, ended, but it ended weirdly. You know, it ended in a way where we weren't really losing the war. We just, the politicians just got tired and said, okay, come on home. Come on home, boys. Yeah. It's like, what?

Yeah. We're doing what? I'm saying this tongue in cheek What if we just had a ticker tape parade for the GWAT? We just picked a date and like how we're having the parade And then it's done Yeah, I don't think it works like that now I don't think because there was

Like we had our victory Like we achieved what we wanted to in the GWAT Within the first like few months. Right. We destroyed Al-Qaeda. That's why we went to Afghanistan. Right.

Why we decided to fight the Taliban, I'll never fucking know. I'll never know why we decided that was our new enemy because that wasn't, the Taliban, yeah, they're assholes. Right?

Yeah, I'm sorry, I mean to laugh, but you're right, yeah. But it's not our job to fight every asshole in the world because they're all over them. And they're never going to be gone or vanquished. Right.

There will always be assholes. Right. There will always be a conflict if you go looking for one. Yeah, job security. Yeah, I guess because what are the contractors going to do if there's no one to fight? I don't know. Well, I mean, proxy wars seem to be pretty profitable these days. Yeah, right, right, right.

But so then I think not to get too existential, but there's always going to be groups of people that don't like another group of people. So if we care enough, we can go attach ourselves to that and say, oh, hey, guys, we're here to help. Right. And give us something to do for lack of a better explanation, which I don't think is necessarily the right approach. They have oil. Yeah. They need freedom.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you guys desperate for some freedom? Well, let me tell you, I got a military for you. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's odd to me. And, you know, it's interesting because when, you know, when I left Ranger Battalion and, you know, like April of 2000 and I thought

there's never going to be another war like you know because we got stood up so many times for so many different things I'm like why would it like there's not going to be a war right and then you know I mean I showed just how idiotic I was in the sense of like you never

you never know what what the next king of Prussia or you know what right but like I don't know does do people by nature, like, and I'm sure there are people that do, but

do people want war? Like, who would, who would want, if you could say you could have a war or you could have no war? I would think most people are like, no, I don't want war. I don't want people to die at the hands of other people, strictly because of where they were from, or

what military do they serve under? See, I think that's... Cheers. You know, you're... Thanks for coming back. Yeah, thanks for having us. Cheers, guys. Cheers. I don't think that as a society, people want war. And it's really weird because it feels like there has been this swap lately between who the hawks are in our government.

But I think that's more based on personality than anything. But I think they're always going to be people who want combat. Sure. Right? The individual wants combat for themselves. Sure. We don't want this suffering for everybody else. Right.

You know, most people who have been in combat, I doubt, want their kids. to go to combat, but they never would have wanted that decision taken from them. Yeah, right, right. You know? I think, I mean, it's easy when there's a, when there's a bad guy. Right. Yes, yes. It makes it so much easier to just let all the other bad shit, like, just not worry about all that.

Right. Let's just get the bad guy. Right. If there's no bad guy, then, you know, from a war perspective, it's a good business. Yeah. But like to get the people behind it, I feel like you have to have, you know, this, this, this, whoever. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's got to be good versus bad or something like that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So, which is interesting because the bad guys didn't just go away. They're still there. We just aren't going after them anymore. Right.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I think no matter what, I think there will be people in this world who hate America, simply because we are America simply because we have these freedoms and they're angry about that because they don't have those freedoms

when you're top dog there's always somebody trying to take you down yeah yeah for lack of a better explanation you're right I think that goes back to human nature but then on the flip side of that what do we think about people

who are kind of just like bullies looking for fights looking at pick fights and that's kind of like what I'm saying like I'd like to think that most people aren't in the military because they're going to look for a fight. Right. No. But there are people who are like that.

Well, how do you mean that though? Because like I wanted a fight. I think most guys who go into soft in particular want a fight, but you want it to be a just fight. Like you don't want it to be just anybody. Do the whole vill. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you're not looking for my lies here. Yeah, yeah, right, right. You know what I mean? Like, you want that justification, and not just justification, but the, but I don't necessarily think that those guys also are like,

let's just go to war with anybody so I can get my kill on. You know what it is? So I, in the years since 9-11 and since I've been out of the military, I've had the, I mean, honored to meet a lot of really, really high-speed guys that have done a lot of really, really, interesting things in the military. And my connection to 9-11, they always come to me

like, we went because of like your family. Like people like, you know, people that started here. I don't know, you weren't here before. We were talking about just my origin story or whatever. Like with my dad, my dad was firemen.

He went to work, killed the Trade Center. And all these guys that kind of joined and went through that journey and dedicated their lives and lost friends and, you know, all these other, you know, terrible things that happened with war, they, they meet someone who, you know, like my family, who is directly, you know, affected by that. Yeah.

And they're like, families like yours are the reason why we've endured all that shit, you know, which is always so amazing, you know, for us to go, thank you. Like, you know, if no one else cares, know that we care. Like, we're the ones that, you know, when you're, uh, when you're, uh, when you guys were doing all that stuff. Like, we're the ones that are thinking about you all the time and, like, are dedicated to, like, celebrating that service and stuff like that.

So it is cool to see it come full circle. And it's really, you know, I always find it very, I don't know, like from a patriotism standpoint, like, that that connection exists no matter what. Like, there's a, there's a service and there's people that care, and there's people that don't care or actually are against it. Yeah. And that's okay. Yeah.

You're not doing it for, you know, you're doing it for yourself most of the time. Like, you know, when you sign the line and you're going to deploy, you know, I don't think a lot of guys are thinking about it for the ticker tape parade. No. I'm doing it for other reasons. Yeah. Yeah. But I think about it too. Hold on.

I'll be right there. Gosh. And I don't know if maybe this is wrong to say. It's never stopped you before. Yeah, that's right. That's true, right? Like, I think about if I was in the military. for 10 years, 20 years, 15 years, whatever the time frame is,

he didn't really do anything. And by anything, like, I mean, like, deployed and, like, went somewhere. Would I have felt, like, my time was, hey. Hey. Hey. Was my time a waste? Sorry. This is a little ramshackle.

Answer that, because I obviously had Iraq to deal with. Yeah, I mean, I. I know I know I would. Like, not that it was a waste. Lana. Hey, Lauren. How are you doing? Good, good, good.

Let's sit down. Do you want to drink? Jack, we can make another. Wing Scooch? Yeah, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. I can step out, too. Are you sure?

I don't need me in here. I'm going to sit on Dats. I'm going to go. Here's a rat room. Get on over here with your rats. It's got a whole roll of quarters in this pocket. I mean, or I can sit over there. I'm just using the Russian really quickly.

Hats lined up there to do some downhill skiing. Yeah, I wouldn't have felt as though it was a waste because I had a great time. I would take that seat apart. But I would have felt like I missed out on something. Come for the production values, stay for the bad jokes. He gifted me. This is a peanut gallery over here on the couch. The casting couch over here.

I can bring it after all. Something that had to fucking dice in it. which was hilarious. Like gaming dice. Oh, really? Did you go get dice? Is that you went out for? And yet, I think I forgot it.

Dave went through the rigumor roll, picked up some dice. We should be good to go. Yeah. I can't find my dice bag here. I don't know where it's at. I'm very disappointed. It's with all the cutters and lighters that keep disappearing.

Exactly. The ash trays that keep disappearing. Dude, you haven't seen a dice bag, a dead pooled dice bag, have you? Let me take a little. look at home, Dave, because I brought a bunch of stuff back to my place, like a box of stuff. I might have it. Okay.

You guys are so snug. We are. Wait until Connor comes back. Oh, yeah. How you doing? How are you? Yeah, but you would have felt like you missed something. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. That's what we were saying, like, guys that join now, like, you know.

It would be hard because, like, I remember, like, when I was in Ranger died, the rare, you would see the rare Grenada or Panama combat school. And like that person was like a legend, you know? And now you know, with all the combat scrolls, I can't imagine going into the military

now and not having one, not knowing if you're going to get one, and being like on the tail end of that. Right. Yeah. That just reminded me. So during my deployment, I... That's yours. Transitioned to a different unit. Johnny on the spot.

Cheers. All right. Thanks for coming out. I got there One of the E-7s One of the Patoons arms He's there And I'm a pretty headstrong guy

But he was too And It's like, I don't know Day three I was there And he and I got into it And at one point he let go He's like

Sir I was jumping into fucking Panama When you were in kindergarten So why don't you shut the fuck up It's like all right fair Fair. You got me there. And you know what's so funny.

After we had that hashed it out, we ended up becoming like friends and really respecting one another and did a lot of great things together. But it was just funny that, you know, now I think you'll get that where it's going to take some time, but you're going to get just these remnants of people who have combat experience. You're going to get a lot of people in the military who don't have that experience to where the guys who do and girls who, you're going to get. do have that experience, it's kind of like a badge of honor almost. Like, you know, I know what I'm talking about because I've been there and done that,

and it wasn't just all trade-ock the whole damn time. Yeah, yeah. I don't even remember the word trade-off. I know, right? You're here for all the hits. All the hits. The spicy content. That's right.

What did you do? Cool. Never got to watch, because it nice? No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is it nice? Is it nice?

Nice is a real... All the Army, yeah. Nice is a real... For a military base? Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of town. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a wonderful place, however. Yeah. I, uh... Yeah, I was... That place is hilarious, but... Yeah. Yeah.

Mm. I was, uh... You did a recall of a limbo. I drove. Yeah. Yeah. But then, you know, you got to maybe see some nice bases between the Navy and the Marines. You guys seem to have some nice, nicer base.

Navy, yeah, the Navy has bases in nicer places, I'd say, than anybody else. Like the Army, the Army and the Marine Corps, like the Marine Corps, like the, Camp Pendleton is, you know, it's, it's near San Diego, which is nice. They have Kay Bay. The Marines have Kay Bay. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true. Well, but there are.

units out there too. Yeah. You have Schofield barracks? Yeah. Bad place sucks. But at least it's in Hawaii. It is. I've been to Schofield.

I was never stationed there, but I've been there. And at least, you know, you're in Hawaii, which is, for all intents of purposes, it's paradise. I loved it. Yeah. Like, I was mostly at, actually my unit was at Pearl Harbor

because it was like the squirrely Yahoo's, but the, and no, K-Bay was actually nicer than Pearl Harbor. nice of them Pearl Harbor Nice of them the Air Force base Which was weird Yeah

Because no the Air Force knows how to do it Yeah Oh my gosh Yeah they always say that the Air Force Put in the money for all the infrastructure The golf course all the stuff first And then they're like oh plus Plus we need jets

Yeah Congress if we get some jazz Guys can we have some more money What happened all that money we gave you Wow you know yeah Of course had to build the base. It cost a lot for a runway.

Yeah. All that concrete. Yeah. Meanwhile, the army is like, let's get the tanks in there first. Oh, yeah.

The army, it's interesting because I've been to a lot of army bases and and it's almost like they build the base and then the town grows up around it

and the town is simply there to take advantage of 18. year olds. You know, it's used car lots, strip clubs, payday loans. Tattoo carlers. Teller. Where else are you going to

massage? You're going to spend get a car for 17% APR. Exactly. Exactly. Where else? But outside of a military base. I mean, there's something to be said for that. I don't know what, but there's something.

There's some social commentary. I did have one of my soldiers come and be like, but they offered me 13, that's a deal. And I was like, no. It's not. It's really not.

On your PT cruiser or Judge Challenger or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. My Mustang, whatever the I don't need in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's only a couple

army bases, I would say, are D.C. Choice. Yeah, choice. Yeah, Chances comes to mind. Ooh, that chance is nice. You can be in Europe. Like big army.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, Carson, Carson's nice. Carson's nice. Lewis, I mean, I don't know what it's like now. Now that's the joint base. But Lewis, like Tacoma is, it's kind of a standard military town.

Like it's its own town. It doesn't just have the military identity like a lot of the towns do. But it's still kind of a rough area. You know, especially like Stilcom right outside. Lewis, like it was. Yeah. I mean, I haven't. Yeah. Like, it's in a nice area, except for the fact that it sucks to be a ranger in that area because you're almost always wet.

Like, you're doing training exercise on South Reneer. I mean, climbing those hills sometimes, like, using your weapon as, like, a time. You're like, I can blow. Yeah. Not because it's so steep, just because everything's wet and you're constantly sliding down. Yeah. Cons, can you do me a favor? This is driving me crazy. You see the up button on the humidore?

Raise the temperature up to 70. There you go. There you go. Perfect. Nice. Like Fort Sill. I was there for a while. Oh, yeah.

I was at, we were at Boston. Yeah. Actually, when I was in the Marine Corps, I was at Fort Sill. Okay. Yeah. I went out there for the F-O course. Sorry. How was a, yeah.

Lawton's a heck of a town. Lawton is a heck of a town. I drove from Brooklyn when I, and I was, we went there for FAOBC, from Brooklyn to there. When I got, I mean, when I talked about Shell Shock, when I pulled back to it, I was like, where the fuck am I? Yeah. What did I sign up for? Yeah. I think it really hit me when I was at Fort Silt.

And I, I don't know. Somebody was like, oh, you got to try this, this Italian place. It's awesome. I'm born and raised in Jersey. I'm an Irish kid, but I got a lot of Italian friends. So, you know, I was fortunate that had a lot of nice Sunday dinners. So I have a basis of comparison And I ordered a meatball sub

I'm like, all right, that's simple It's just meatballs on You know, a piece of bread It's pretty simple And my sub came with like ketchup, lettuce, tomatoes And I was like, oh no, this is something I guess I'll have to deal with this

And their idea of pizza is Domino's Which don't get me wrong Three in the morning Domino's hits But Right And in Lotton when it's all you can get. Yeah, right.

After scooters. Yes. Scooters. Oh, man. I wonder if that place is still. It's got to be cranking still. There's still soldiers there. There's still scooters, I'm sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The boot scoot. So this has been your day. This is it. Well, we were paying two. If they work. For like four hours. Fair.

Yeah. Yeah, so you were here for episode two. 100. 100. 100. We dragged you out for that, subjected you to that, where it was 100 episodes ago. Yeah. About two years ago.

Because go figure. That's how, I guess, math and time work. One of your time. I was actually thinking about it. I was like, how long ago? Oh, I guess it was about. In our old studio, like five blocks that way. Yeah, where you have like a table and your.

We had a bunch of weird. We got into that table. We chopped it up with a law. Doesn't this? Like this has more square foot footage, but doesn't this place feel smaller in some ways? It's because we packed so much stuff in here, too.

Yeah, it gets small when you've got a fish tank. I mean, I appreciate the ambience. This is my vibrant ecosystem that I'm cultivating here, all right? You can see my two clownfish. Look at them go. Yeah. Is that what's in there? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. We'll know he's jumped the ship. shark though when there are like little fish in there with laser beams on their head at that point he'll have a volcano lair I ordered three more fish they uh gonna get shipped to me order fish yeah how do they ship fish in like a um styrofoam cooler it's a bag of water with a fish in it and they put a heater in there to keep it warm cool that's some shit what do you do now uh I started a company that I'm desperately trying to sell off assets for because I'm so exhausted What does the company do?

Data, both data analytics and then helps connect veterans, military families, and so forth to local resources. What's the name of it? Pathfinder, Pathfinder labs. Not to be confused with like the 4,000 other Pathfinder named entities out there. That's awesome. And, no, I'm a super nerd. Like, I had an engineering degree, got a job, quit my job, and enlisted in the Army. Okay.

Because that's what you do. Right. As one does. Like you do. Yeah. That old story. Yeah. You were just really opposed to get the commission?

Really opposed to, I don't know, respect. Money. Pat likes college so much you get it twice. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. if you could count that as college

I don't know yeah I spent a lot of time at Iona hanging out I don't know how much college goes on there certainly socially a good time socially yeah little Van Wilder type of situation

college is come on if you go back to just do college right like four years of actual like real college where you just live in a dorm and fucking hang out that's the best I mean yeah That aspect of it, yeah.

Yeah, that's really what, I mean, how much, I don't know, our friends, learning-wise, I don't know how much learning. No, but it was more about the social aspect. It was the social aspect. Which I guess gets into the bigger discussion. It's like, how important is college in general? Depending on what you're trying to do, I guess. 85 grand now, average? Yeah, I read something a day or two ago.

Like Yale is like 90K a year now. So crazy. Up from 55 or 57, 10 years ago. Right. I mean, even 57. Yeah. Yeah. I get college.

You want to be a doctor? I really hope you go to college. Yeah. I honestly believe that it is just a racket between the government, the lenders, and the colleges. The government goes, hey, we'll guarantee loans to this amount. Lenders go, okay, cool. Schools go, okay, now that's our tuition. And then they go, hey, our price are going up.

we'll guarantee loans this amount. Okay. And it just, it's, if the government would just stop that, like if they would say we're only going to guarantee loans like 60 grand or 50 grand,

these tuitiones will go back down in a heartbeat. You're right. You're right. They go back down a heartbeat. What about colleges that have like a, like, like, $100 million dollar endowment and stuff too?

They're so, you know? They're so wealthy. These colleges are so wealthy. Yeah. They just like, I just saw an article. I didn't read it. I skimmed it, but it was,

it was basically, it was basically, you saw it. College kids. It was basically, I believe, it was Stanford. It was one of the Ivy League's and how heavily they're invested, like, in China. And they make a ton of money. It's got to be a ton of money.

Stanford. I mean, to be fair, I did go to an engineering school, and there were a significant number of foreign students. Like, I think when I was, I was an R.A. Because I'm that type of nerd. And then the, so my sophomore, I was a, I was a, Norah's sophomore year and there was in the freshman class like 40 of the top students from Singapore were all given scholarships from the government to go to Cornell and so like the

smartest. You like how she slipped that in? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was good. Nice humble bride. Very expensive. Nice humble bride. Yeah, right there with you.

but the smartest boy from Singapore and the smartest girl from Singapore were both living on my floor and both in most of my classes and both doing better than me in most of my classes. Smartest kid in Singapore.

Yeah, like that way... And he was on like three scholarships and like bought a BMW off of one of his scholarship money because he was like, whatever man, I'm going for free. And then they're giving me extra money. So I'm going to buy this expensive car and I feel like he crashed into a dumpster at some point.

I don't remember. Good for him. Yeah. But that was... They get down in Singapore. Kids are wild. Yeah. It was, he was pretty hilarious. The first time he got drunk was amazing.

His roommate took him out, got him super drunk. And I was on duty that night and I came to like the floor and he's just sitting there. working over the common rooms like garbage can. And I was like, did your roommate take you out tonight? Because you better throw up in there because I'm not cleaning your shit up. I'm going to get your roommate out here to clean up after you. But, oh, he was, he had life regrets at that point, I think, because he had never drank before because it's Singapore.

So you went to 40 years of Cornell and then listed in the Army? Oh, yeah. I got my master's in engineering. Wow. Yeah, within the four years because I'm... Again, nerd. Got it. It's a thing.

I would find that probably... I'm still, I'm generalizing here. I wasn't going to use that word, but I would just find that maybe potentially infuriating. You have a four-year degree. You know people from your school that went on probably to have very nice careers. I'm friends with them. Yeah, and you're like... You know what? I could really use a job where I'd make 30K a year and I get told what to do every day.

Yeah. So how was that transition for you going from looking at what your friends are doing? And I thank you for your service. I think that's awesome. You're welcome for my service. What was that like for you to go from? Hilarious. I got in a lot of trouble in the military for it.

Because I would think like you're just like, listen, I'm not doing that. Stupid. No, it was never, I'm not doing that. It was usually who made this decision because it's not the smartest way to do this because I was an engineer. It was logic. And I was like, why did we pack the bill van this way? This is not the, like, anyone who plays Tetris would know that this is not a good way to do this.

And inevitably, the person who made that decision was standing right behind me. And my friends were all assholes. So they wouldn't tell me until I was like, I guess I'm going to go stand before the commander again. But, no, they, uh, it, so that was super fun. Um, and then, so I got in a lot of trouble. And then, especially when I was coming back, because a lot of my friends live in the city now. And, you know, they were like, oh, I'm like, I was 10 years doing, like, risk analysis at one of the banks or some shit. And I was like, okay, you can just buy me dinner then, because, because I've been making shit money. Yeah. So, um, so, um,

Yeah. So, it was... So, infuriating on a lot of levels. Yeah. I feel like I've kind of reacclimated to it enough. I mean, I've been out for, like, 10 years now. And still, they're... Yeah.

But, um, meh. I got to go get blown up in Iraq, and they didn't. So suck it. Yeah, you got that on that. Yeah. That souvenir, yeah. Yeah, yeah, bitches. I'm a cyborg.

What do you got? Beep boop. I'm going to put some electronics on that shit, because I know how from that very expensive piece of paper on my wall. That's interesting, I think. Yeah, my parents were very interested as well. What was that time that you graduated and then joined the military?

What you're at? I graduated in, and I left for Basic in 03. I made it about a year in an engineering firm doing civil engineering. It was like, oh, fuck this. Like, I'm in a cubicle. So was it the, like, the realization that you were in that job and you were like, this is not? It was staring at blueprints all day in a cubicle and being like, oh, this fucking sucks.

And so I decided to not even do engineering in the military. Um, so. So, but, you know, how about you guys? I feel like I'm doing their job. Like, they were like, whatever. We're just trying to drink. There are people every week, so, uh. So you're just taking a break.

You're just like, fuck it. I'm just playing video games today. No, that's fair. Yeah. That's fair. A little collo coutuloo later. Yeah, we should spin that up pretty soon. That's why I'm, I'm very disappointed that I didn't.

bring my fucking dice. I had it sitting next to my goddamn bag. So just warned everybody, I played this a few times. I haven't run a campaign yet, so it's going to be a little slow going, so we're going to be a little rules light instead of like slowing the game down to look everything up. But essentially, um, it's a role-playing game. It's a tabletop role-playing game, like Dennis Dragons. However, uh, in this game, you are a fairly normal person. We're playing the pulp version, so you're not quite so normal. You're more like an Indiana Jones type.

More like a pulp era, you know, detective or a journalist or Thumb Fatal, and you've got some, you know, abilities. But you also are going against these great astromistic beings with which you have absolutely zero chance. Nerd alert. Yeah, I kind of lost you. I'm picking up what you're putting on, because... I'm a big word. You know, and it's so funny because I remember...

Sorry, I played sports, so... I remember... I remember... That we fancy. I remember, like, all through elementary school, junior high high school, you know, people, like, laughing at this stuff. And now it's, like, so popular. Yeah. Well, the movie comes out, what, today?

For Dungeons and Dragons. I'm nervous about it. I have to be honest. I've heard it's... I've... I've heard good things, mostly from the pre-reviews just because it's, like, funnier. Like, it doesn't take itself super seriously. I'm just worried because, like, one of the show, like, not show-ros, but one of the people involved,

I can't remember who said that, yes, like, Dono's Dragons is the clothing for the movie. And it's like, well, don't do that. Have you ever played with me? No. Me either. I'm sorry. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I just never...

No judgment. No judgment. It just never entered my... I've never played. It's so like role playing in the bedroom, only there's no sex and you roll dice to figure out who goes next. I mean, you might do it in the better... I don't know.

I came to that conclusion on my own, just knowing who I know who plays touching and drive. No, unfortunately, I will say this. Unfortunately, there are... There are people who play Dunds of Dragons who do try to, like, have their way with every barmaid. Like, it gets weird sometimes. Yeah. It gets weird.

You know, some people just don't. A wench. Yeah, a wench. Right. A wench. If we're talking about it. Yes. In Dutgers and Dragons.

Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. I feel like I will likely see the movie sometime during its theater run. I'm not like chomping at the bit to go today. I will, I will just, I won't, I'll just go into it with like lowered expectations and then hopefully be pleasantly surprised. It's the way to do it. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to take my clone trooper on Thursday this week. Maybe I'll wait for your review then. And just so you know, there was time for sports and as dragons. Okay. Yeah, you could have done it. You could have. You missed out.

I probably, I probably could have. You missed out? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What sports? Uh, football, basketball, baseball, baseball, through high school and then I played football in college. All of the sports.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A tremendous athlete. He said it. Now I'm going. Yeah. Yeah.

No, actually, I wrote a blog today. to blog today, Barstall sports I wrote a blog about. Subtle. Because we were talking, well, we were talking, very subtle. We were talking about how humor, we were talking about how humor in the military. Humor in the military is prevalent regardless of when you serve. The humor just kind of changes whether you serve during World War II, Vietnam, or even the GWAT. But humor is always part of the military, and at times can be dark humor.

because we were talking about the POWs in Vietnam and how they entertained themselves and told the story about John McCain and how his buddies and the Hanoi Hilton, they put on a Christmas play while they were residents, I guess you could say, of the Hanoi Hilton. Captives. Yes, captives.

And it was just interesting because, you know, these gentlemen go from being hung from a hook on the ceiling bound by their hands to their ankles, hung upside down and they combat that with this humor doing these plays. And I told the story, but, you know, when I made that transition to 1-9 Cav, while I was in Iraq, and I show up and I find out maybe a week or two before I got there, maybe a month, I don't know, a soldier had attacked my first sergeant, gotten into an argument.

I forget what the argument was about, but he attacked him with a maglite, hit him over the head, left the nasty scar. You know, that was obviously not a good thing. But so then fast forward to the Turkey Bowl, and this is where the sports comes in, because I was the MVP of the Turkey Bowl. And the, yeah, the, it's kind of like being the tallest short person, though, because it was, like, you know, not again, an athlete in the military.

College athlete, yeah. But the trophy for the MVP was a maglite, and it was, like, written, like, turkey balls. Yes. A bad light. Excellent. That's objectively funny. Yeah.

You know, the first sergeant leaned into that joke, because he was the one who awarded the MVP trophy, and it's funny. It's dark, but it's funny. Excellent. Yes. I mean, the military is sort of like the ER, right? Like, there's a gallows humor going on because it's just,

like, everything's inappropriate. Yeah. And it's intentionally inappropriate. Yeah. Yeah. No, that is completely. That is completely fair. I think it's

what's even funnier, though, is telling or retelling stories to people who did not serve and they're like, oh my God, that's like appalling. And you're like, no, no, no. No, you don't get it. It's funny. It was funny. It was hilarious. It takes,

I think it takes a while to adjust to that for a lot of people because I did that a lot to where I would just, I would tell a story that I thought was interesting or funny and people just had this local horror on their face. Yeah, like a blank stare.

What, is there somebody behind me? Like, what's going on? What's wrong? I just traumatized you by telling you what I thought was funny. Yeah. Yeah. So then what was your experience, we were talking, sorry, not to make this morbid or anything,

but we were talking about sexual assault in the military, you know, and it does go both ways. There is sexual assault, I think, but people don't realize there is still sexual assault predicated against men as well. But I think... You guys were having this conversation earlier? Yeah. I don't know how we got there.

A little light combo to kick it off. We didn't get into the man side. I wasn't going to go there. Yeah. Doesn't count when you do it to yourself, guys. See? See? That's what we're talking about.

But, you know, what was that experience like you for being, you know, a female in the military and the Army? Being around, you know, primarily probably a lot of men. Um, it was, I mean, I, uh, feel like there were a couple of factors that helped to, uh, keep, keep that particular negative aspect further at bay. I was almost always with, uh, guys who I trusted or something like that. Um, really the, the biggest problem that I ran into. were people from certain communities. I don't believe it. President,

did they swim while? Oh, don't, let's not get started with them. Plus them balancing little ball on their nose and clapping and eating fish. I don't know what they do. But the, no, just not taking you seriously as a woman. as a woman, as opposed to being downright aggressive. And I think that it's mostly because I tried to not be...

I was still very conscious of it, but I knew a very unfortunate majority of my female friends who were at some point either harassed or assaulted. I didn't get assaulted until years later by another fucking veterans. So, conveniently also part of the special foot, but whatever. Why are you looking over here?

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not too. It's about 100 episodes ago. Yeah. Weird. It was like 100 weeks. It was real weird.

It's really weird. It's really weird. No, it was, but that's like the, it was, it's something that's always prevalent and something that, um, it's,

super unfortunate that you have to be like the women have to get briefed all the time you have to be super conscious of it but I'm also very I'm an asshole so

go figure and now I have like fucking titanium so I'm like oh you don't want to find out how that that can hurt like I can not only break a shin I could break an awful lot more Yeah.

But, no, these, it was, it's shitty. And I have actually a great deal of sympathy for the women who are now, like, in a unit essentially by themselves. And until they become more prevalent, to women become more prevalent in all of the different types of units. You know, like, join the little fucking ball balancers. I don't know who the fuck would want you, though. Well, because, yeah, you have to, like, deal with just the difficulties of what that entails on its own to then compound that with dealing with comments, unwanted advances. Toxic masculinity.

Toxic masculinity. There it is. But I guess, so then, you know, my next question then is, you know, then how. Now he's doing your job. Isn't it amazing? No, but it's interesting because it's, you know, one of you guys. You know, like, women in the military, you know. You're just drinking a smoking.

Yeah, yeah. That's fair. But, I mean, you know, you think about, I don't know, if my daughter wanted to join the military or something, like there's, as a guy who was in the military, like, you kind of. I tell them to join the Coast Guard of the Air Force. Generally, the Coast Guard, because actually the Air Force has its own problems. Don't go to the Air Force Academy.

But, plus I tell people I go to the Coast Guard anyway, because they're so happy. Yeah. Well, I mean, you're so happy. It's hard not to be when you're constantly out on the ocean and you have really nice places that you're stationed. Yeah, and like they, like, they do super cool missions. They have a shoot, yeah, they have a real-world mission all the time.

Yeah. Like, unlike, unlike, you know. The rest of us, like, throwing tennis balls, the other fucking platoon when we're sitting in garrison. Like, that was every other day, almost there. Every day that we weren't mowing lawns at Fort Bragg, we were, like, throwing tennis balls to the other platoon, doing shit like that.

but like the Coast Guard, yeah, they're doing like drug interdiction and like out patrolling and look like, fuck man. It's cool shit when you're out on the ocean like chasing down drug runners. Right? Well, that's the thing is it, is it, you know, I remember. All the Coast Guard does. Yeah. Like, I remember, you know, pre-9-11, you know, particularly when, you know, people to joke about the Coast Guard and be like, man, they're killing more people than anybody. Like, what are you guys talking about?

Like, they're out there hooking and jabbing and we're all like, true. training. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Dave, what do we need to get this game started here? Are we going to get the game started?

Yeah, man. It's kind of now or never. He doesn't, because he's mad that he didn't join the Coast Guard. Yeah. That's why. However,

the only person who I know who ever actually got Scurvy, Coast Guard. Yeah. Yeah. That's why you need to have your grog supplements. Right. Yeah.

Like, put a lime in that. On a pirate ship or something. Yeah. Yeah. No, I met someone, and she was like, no, I got scurvy. She was at, like, the super, like, way out on the archipelago off of Alaska.

Yeah. And she was, like, any food that we got, like, vitamin D supplemented milk, all this, went to the families that were out there. And so we got, like, the shit food. And she was, like, and I ended up with scarpation. Yeah. I have no idea when he is going to be. I actually have a running joke with my two co-hosts.

Well, I don't even know if he's going to be here. He said he was a maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Text me. I've been saying for, I don't know, four or five years now, I just desperately want them to watch the movie, The Guardian with Kevin Cost of Washington Couture.

It's a good movie. All about the Coast Guard, and they just refuse just to stick it to me, but it's a good movie. They're really intense people. It is inspiring. It's very. Motivating, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me you don't want to join the clothes card after that. I mean, how could you not? I mean, I guess a PJ. Yeah. It's pretty. Wait, was he a PJ? Because those are Air Force.

Oh no, I'm sorry. Rescues swimmer. I mean, both rescue swimmers and PJs, because even prior to the war, like the PJs were the other unit that was just like constantly busy. Yeah. Even their guard guys were like doing real,

real world shit all the time. And hard, hard shit. Like, you know, high angle rescues in Alaska. Like, you know. So underappreciated. Yeah. High seas rescues. There's a lot of them.

There's a lot. Like, I think JTax. are underappreciated. Oh, J-Tax. Right? It's not as sexy as, like, being a, you know, like, you're like, I'm a Ranger or, you know, a Green Beret or something.

And then J-Tax are like, they're fucking really... That's what, like, TACPs? Yeah, J-T-T-T. I mean, CCTV, you know. Oh, comment... Coms guys. You know, like...

Coms, you know? All that stuff. Yeah. So, it's all important. Yeah. Yeah. Can't do one without the other. Look, I will...

I will... I thought about... I've talked about it on the show a number of times, even like way back in the beginning. Like I met some guys in the Arkansas National Guard. I worked with him quite a bit in Iraq, like between 2004-2007. They were, I can't remember if they were, they had like Bradley's and stuff, I think.

Those guys were hooking and jabbing so much, because they were out there. They were like the security and whatnot for a lot of special office. operations units, but then they were also on call to go out to respond. And I remember, like, they would go dry, ammo dry, like, a bingo on, like, out in Sauter City in these, like, knock down, drag out fights. One of the guys came up to me one time, you know, and I had, I had some supplies, and, you know, I had a conics in the, and I had, like, with, like, a bunch of Eotex and stuff.

And, and, like, they had, like, they had, like, fixed a bunch of, you know, sort of vehicles and stuff. And he goes, hey, Dave, you got an Eotech? I'm like, yeah, I can give you an Eotech. And he goes, okay, thanks. I go, do you lose yours? He goes, it got shot off. It got shot off because Bradley went like empty

and they all popped the hatches and we're out like shooting. And his Eotech got shot off. And I was like, there are so many people, you know, we talk about soft so much. And it's sexy, but there are so many even just line infantry dudes, but there are so many people out there

like in Iraq, mechanics sweating their balls off all day long, working in that heat you know, making sure everybody's vehicles, like they don't get paid enough for that. Right. They don't make... They don't get paid extra. They don't get paid extra.

They don't get paid what a mechanic will make in the States. Right. And they're working under conditions that are just, or like, The vehicle salvage teams that we've got on Highway 1, like, rescue a vehicle has just been hit by an ID. Like, crazy, crazy stuff. Yeah. Yeah, there are a lot of people that just do not get the credit.

They don't get the credit, right. Well, we were talking, that's the first thing we were talking about is just like the movie, right? The movie guy who's fast roping in and shooting all the bad guys. And it's like all the stuff that had to happen for that moment to happen. Right, yeah. Like all the maintenance and all the, you know, they had to get fed, like all and stuff. Anybody need more ice? I'm good.

Okay. Good for right now. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, um, I mean, I have, it, look, even in a peacetime military, I remember, like, in Ranger Italian, our cooks. Like, our cooks would get up at fucking the crack of dawn and start cooking.

They all had scars on their arms from all the grease burns and stuff like that. They worked their asses off. In the Navy, like the cooks on naval ship. on naval vessels work their asses off, you know? Like, it's just, it's amazing to me, how hard. Yeah. The average person works in the military. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we, in Afghanistan where we were, we didn't have, like, I feel like Candahar already had, like, a jamba juice or some bullshit. I heard that they have, they had like a... Kandahar had that, it had that... They had the war walk. Yes. With the Kim Holtens. It was Canadian.

I went down there. I heard this. I just heard this recently. I was like, he was like, fucking getting me. Yeah. And people were like, oh, I was in Candahard. And I was like, yeah, I've been there. It was ridiculous.

Yeah. Kuwait's tough too. Oh, yeah, real tough. I mean, I got, my one buddy bust my balls because I was at Anaconda in Iraq. And they had like, really. That's where I was. Yeah. They had a nice pool.

I never got to see you. He's like, dude, I saw a picture of you. You were in Iraq. sitting by pool, how hard was that? I never got to see that. I never go to the pool, but. Not that bad. I never, I never, I never got to go to.

You'll be here about 20 minutes. All right, cool. But no, when we were in, when I was out in Afghanistan, we were far enough out that there was nothing there. And we had one cook. And there were only like 80 people on our little five. But that army cook, she, we got, the Air Force would be like, oh, there's weather in the mountains.

We can't come and do your support. And I was like, good weather, bad weather, is it too sunny? You need to put your sunglasses on? No, it's March Madness. Like, you guys just don't believe. There's always weather out there. Yeah, you don't want to leave Uzbekistan. But they, so they didn't do our supply drop for like two months.

This, she was like sending us or some of the field artillery guys that did the security for the five, like sending them out to go and find whatever they could to come back and like bring it back. and so she could feed like 80, 90 people and did it three times a day. And I was like, you are a goddamn national treasure. And like, this is coming out late tonight.

I bought a couple more also. But you know what? They're not going to make movies about those people. No. No, that's what I mean. I asked for like quick startup without heavy rules. Yeah, it's supposed to be easy to play.

But they're so vital. So important. Oh, 1,000. Yeah. That's what I mean. I'm a believer. This looks entertaining. Absolutely.

You know what I mean? 100%. You can't discount, you know, just because it's not as sexy as a... Right. The guy fucking shooting everybody. It's still... Yeah, it's super...

Mark Goldberg's not signing up for a movie to play a cook. But he should. That being said... That is. A and B, three kings is still my best, my favorite movie set in Iraq. What is?

Three Kings? That's a great movie. Oh, three kings, yeah, yeah. Is that the one? Walry. Where they put the TV? Ice Cube. Where they put the CD in his mouth and put the...

They're looking for Saddam's gold. Yeah, yeah, that was good. When I was in Iraq, like, we were constantly being like, I'm going to go get the gold, like, just quoting that movie all the time. That movie is, like, it's really the only... thing that I will watch about any of the Middle East wars.

I haven't gotten to the point of watching anything about the current conflicts, but I was like, no, I'm good with three kings. That's a whole topic in itself. What movies? What movies? Not watching Hurt Locker in a lot? We were talking about that. Oh, my God, dude.

I had a couple of civilians. I had a couple friends, and I love them, God bless them. They're like, have you seen the Hurt Locker is so good? And I'm like, no. No, it's not. I said, I'll watch it. At home where I was like, why the fuck are they doing that?

Yeah. What are they doing? Why does he not have a Kevlar off right now? Why is he throwing a smoke between him and his cover element? I don't understand. I'm going to throw a cover behind. Like, I'm just, did you accidentally do this?

No, we talked about movies earlier, and like, we, like, I've never seen lone survivor 12, I don't watch modern warflex at all. I loved Fury. I love Saving Private Ryan. Hart break Ridge. That was really good.

That was good. You know, Omega Force. It's an 80s pool. Based on a true story, hells, right? Fingling. Yeah. Someone real. But I haven't seen a single modern war movie. I couldn't give a fuck. No. I, I skip.

There's some good documentaries. Yeah, I skip like under the years. I think Restrepo is like, you know. I would like to see Restrepo. I haven't really even watched most of the documentaries about it. Yeah. I mean, you have to kind of be in the mood. I don't know.

It's kind of a bummer to watch some of that stuff. Right? You know, it's heavy. And do you guys say Generation Kill was good? Or who said Generation Kill was good? Yeah. Generation Kill was good. Yeah.

There was, I don't know if this is Generation Kill. I don't know what it was, but there was a movie. It was, I guess it was documentary. But it was actually footage taken by a, Marine Corps photojournalists or Marine Corps, you know, journalist. And it was about some of the drug abuse that was going on in Marine Corps and, like, some of the other issues. And then Ring Corps, like, shut it down, but he, like, released the footage anyway, right? Is that...

Does anybody know what I'm talking about? I believe that I heard something about that. I'm trying to remember... Ugh. See, this... I was telling you about my buddy. He would fucking know this because he's, like, in that little weird journalism world. but the, um, no, I don't think a, well, I definitely haven't watched anything. I think Black Hawk Down is like the furthest forward that I'll get.

And then I jump a couple hundred years and watch like Star Ship Troopers. Yeah, yeah, I love Black Hawk Down and yes to Starship Troopers. I mean, amazing. So different from the book. Which is also amazing. But they're both amazing. Yes. See.

Before you both got out here, we were talking to Jack. About Star Trek. troopers because that movie messed out on that I had the pleasure of interviewing Matt Eversman he was Black Hawk down

Josh Hardin's character but he was telling us how they got a lot of that right but Hollywood's always going to take liberties for the sake of the movie they have to

story yeah like Josh Hardin's character Matt Evergman's like I didn't do all of that like that was a collection of people it's an obligation emalgamation

yeah of people who have... In the ballpark. But they do... It's either a TBI or I'm drunk. I'm not sure which. I think you can tell which movies... It could be two things. Take effort to do as best they can to get it right.

So not Hurt Locker. So not Hurt Locker. And that still chapsed my ass. That got best picture, right? I don't understand that movie. I don't understand why people think it's good. I mean... Because it's people who...

think it's good are the ones who don't know any better. And then that director did Zero Dark 30. Yeah, Catherine Bayelow. She's a good director, but it's bullshit. I remember when it came out, I was still at Bragg, because that was like 0, 4 or 5, I don't remember. But a buddy of, you're really close, though. I still try.

I still start. But it's bothering me. I used to be, look, I got an 800. I got an 8. I got an 800 on my verbal on the SATs. Oh, wow. Another one.

I got a point out. I got a 770 on the math. My vocabulary sucks now. The term you guys are looking for is a composite character. Yes. You say that. We skirt around this issue

with a word, none of us now. Yeah. Right. I can't spell it. No, the, the fuck was I just saying. Fuck. God damn it.

Have us to me all the time. Oh. Locker, buddy of mine, went to go see it. And we must have just gotten back from a deployment. And they went to go see it and I was probably on fucking CQ or something because it was for Bragg.

And they came back and they were like, do not go see that movie. If you do not want to get angry because that movie. Like What's going on in chat, man? TinderChat.com. Hey! That's right. Like, they're respect the hustle.

you know. They're loving us. Jim Cada. Jim Cata's coming up for the second time on this stream. Is the best modern warfare room. Jim Cata's like almost everything you need to know

about the 80s. For shame. Almost everything you need to know about the 80s is in Jim Cada. Okay. I don't know. It's like... I got it.

I don't know. It's just such a bad movie. Honestly, it's like Highlander. It's a horrible movie that you're going to love. Because there can be only one. Because there can be only one. And it's all queen.

Right? It's all clean all day. Like, it's, you're like, I don't understand why it's happening. But what I spun up, it was this, was it this year, it was over the winter,

Flash Gordon. Oh, Flash, you saved every one of us. Damn, time. Amazing. I love that. That's why Ted's good when he, like,

needs Flash Gordon. The music is amazing, but like the movies, there's so much, like, talk about a movie that, like, you watch a, little drunk and you're like what the

I love it I mean look I just recently watched Beast Master again my fate one of my favorite movies are the 80s and it's a good one it's it fucking it holds up but it holds up in an 80s way I watch something about it they said the reason why Flash Gordon is so strange is because

there are two crews making the movie there was an American crew and an Italian crew interesting and they each had different sorts they each had a different impression of what type of movie they were supposed to be making so the Americans thought they're making like a kind of campy pulp movie and the Italian stuff they're making a dark

sci-fi films. Oh, interesting. So it like jumps from the, like, really can't be to like this girl getting tortured in the Death Star thing. It's like, what the fuck is going to go? That's an interesting combo. The old movies are like the better, like

one good guy, like Rambo, Commando. You know, like, he just goes in and kills everybody. Oh, one-liners. Yeah, one does one-liners anymore. Steven Zinghal. Yeah, they should. They're all focused

on this like real, intricate dialogue. was like, no, just give me the one-liners. What did you do with them? And they didn't take themselves seriously. Like, Judge Dred didn't take itself seriously. Predator didn't take itself seriously. It'd be in steam. See, that's why I'm full circle going back to the Dungeons and Dragons movie.

I'm looking forward to a movie that's not taking itself super seriously. Yeah, I do appreciate that. Somebody said, Thin Red Line is my favorite. Didn't Red Line. I remember watching that. like I remember watching that when I was a kid on cable which like this is in the 80s no thin red wine no it came out in the 90s

97 or so 90s it has uh shan pen really yeah George Clooney has a bit part in it wasn't it didn't be that late in the 90s though I saw that movie in the theater I was a teenager oh it's 98 no why did was that a reboot then I don't think so 98 no we had to have been out earlier I think by and large though the military movies especially if they're, you know, quote quote, based on a true story.

I saw it. You saw it? It was good. Yeah. If they have people. It is. Yeah. It is.

I'm listening. Oh, sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no. I just going to say, I think the military movies that, quote, unquote, base on a true story, if they have somebody who is there kind of to help and to guide them, tend to skew a little bit better, in my opinion. I think with those World War I movies and this is like,

the guy, the man's sliding into middle age. You can hear it in my voice is the nihilism of the World War I movies resonates. It's like, yeah, that's... That's the other one that was... I just want to say, real quick, before we move on, 1964. So there was an older one? Yes. It was on a black and white film?

Yes. It wasn't black and white. It was a remake. Yes. That's why... That means a remake nowadays. What was the World War I trench warfare movie where it was a single camera the entire time?

Oh, was it... No. I was going to say Dunkirk, but it wasn't that. It's not the longest day. It's a single camera the entire time. It's one shot. It's a trench, yeah. It's the...

What? It's a year. That was amazing. Was it 1917? I think it's... I heard that was amazing. There's a new one that came out this year, too. No, not all quite on the last...

That's all quite a restaurant. Yeah, but I think it was 1917, which was very good. Yeah. That was a really good one. I don't think. they had anyone consulting on that who was actually

in World War one. Yeah, I feel like that would be a tough ask. Yeah. I thought they did a good job with that one. Trench War. I was also thinking

the Big Red One. Mm-hmm. The Bigger Red One, which was like 80. What's the one? There are some good World War II movies with Lee Marvin back in the day. He was in the the Dirty Guns.

Yeah. Wasn't he in the Guns of Naberon also? Jim Brown. The 30 dozen, maybe the Guns of Navarone. Like, the Guns of Navarone, I used to have the Guns of Navarone as a play set. Wee Morgan was actually in World War II, so. Oh, okay. This seems like a...

19-70s. You know what? If it was like the 80s, like, I feel like Guns of Navarone would probably be a playset. Probably be like Legos or Playmobile or something. It'd be really weird. This is what it was. That was fun. I like that you've...

Oh, ain't that some shit? Yeah. So I'd play with, you know, with my army use. And on the other side was... That's awesome. Like the... Yeah. But the Guns in Navarone was a good movie.

But it was like the dirty dozen, and it was kind of fatalistic, you know. Yeah. Oh, are we waiting on Ian, too? Yeah. Yeah, Ian should be here in like 10, 15 minutes. Yeah. And we'll roll into it. Or as much as he can, because, yeah.

That's the front of it. DM this one. you know what? It was a weird time to be alive, but I'm glad I was. They don't do war toys no more. They do not do war toys. And they certainly don't do them like that anymore. How are we supposed to propagandize our children?

I don't even understand it. Yeah, what are the tools with which we propagandize these days? Tried Queen Storytime is really all we got. That's all we got, man. Well, music, I mean, like, we still propagandized children. There's still heavy metal out there that we can get real upset about, I think. Is there? I don't know.

No, you know what? Probably not. Like, what's shocking now? Yeah. Nothing. Like, yeah, that's the thing. We, man,

like, I, like, I was such a huge kiss fan when I was growing up. And, you're not anymore? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Kiss, but when I was growing up, like, it was, at first it was like, the devil music, and then they got a movie, and then I was like, oh,

maybe they're not so bad. Really? Kiss had a movie. Oh, oh, I knew that they're, but people were like up in, same was the village people. People.

Yeah, People were like up in arms about Kiss. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, because of the makeup and shit. Oh, yeah, yeah. And Gene Simmons, I mean, sure. I mean, it was always the tongue thing.

Sure, sure. I mean, it was always about like the entertainment value with that, right? And I played D&D. Like, Gwar. I mean, that's all they were there for. Yeah. The shock value. Oh, it was so good.

What was? Guar. Gwar. I know you remember. Marilyn Manson. Yeah, Marilyn Manson. They were always in, like, I mean, parents love.

Guar was in like like a, they weren't even like dinosaur costumes but they were like it looked like be hop and rock steady. Yes.

I don't think I know. Oh, you need to you need to Google Guar. They like shoot blood out of the fucking. Oh, the insane clown posse was another one.

That was created just to just to make parents nuts. Yeah. Well, however, juggaloes are like they were listed as like essentially like I remember that by FBI. Yeah.

I seep. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it's all about the makeup. It was all about kind of the shock value, you know. Even though. Yeah. I went to a friend's wedding and for some reason and I was there by my, I was sitting in the table and I didn't know anybody else. And somehow I still started a conversation about juggalo's and carried that.

It was, it was good. Oh, man. ICP was an interesting. They were, yeah. So it's, some of them were legitimate, like, gang-e, but I was like, yeah, no, if you guys ran up against a real gang, you'd have a problem. Probably.

It's kind of a crazy thing to get attached to, right? A little bit. What? In St. Cloud Posse, like, becoming a juggler. I mean, people like to get attached to things, you know? I mean, people, like, followed hooting the blowfish. And search for reading, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's like, we all, I think we all want a tribe.

And every human being wants to try. Do you read that book? Yes. Yes. Tribe? Younger's book. No. It's good.

It's an easy read, too. Yeah. But when people spend too much time by themselves, they become the Unabomber. Yes. You know, and. Been doing a lot of writing. Got a lot of thoughts. But, yeah, so we all want community.

I mean, and we see it now, the way we split up so tribally with, you know, Republican Democrat or a conservative liberal, but they used to do it with Catholic and Protestant. They used to do it. Like, there's never a time when we haven't split ourselves up because we all want to belong to something. Right.

Right. And the easiest way to belong to something is to other somebody else. So if I'm in the chess club, fuck those checker players. Look at those dumbass checker players, right? I prefer checkers, thank you. whatever but that's just that's just human nature

like the way to feel like we belong is to create another group and show how they're not us I was actually just talking about this last week when when I was gone about like how and especially

I hate to say it but how the veteran community does that all the time they're just like oh you wouldn't understand I was there in the shit. And the, and they other every civilian for so long. And I was like, bro, like, everybody's got their trauma. Everybody's got their shit that they're dealing with. Like, just.

Dude, like, our friend Joshua Lee's, who isn't fucking here today. He told me once, it was very true. He was like, you know, we don't have a war to fight anymore, so we fight each other. Yeah. And it's like, it's kind of sad to see that happen. Yeah. But there's not a community that doesn't do that. And I don't mean individuals within communities, right?

But, you know, it doesn't matter if it's the veteran community or women or men going their own way or... The Manosphere. Right. But everybody wants to feel like... My doppel game. Everybody wants to feel as the... though they're part of something that other people then experience. And so we do it.

Yeah, and it's interesting now. We're talking about this before, about veterans who've kind of created this cottage industry, and now I think you see it with what you're talking about, where do you have these like camps where you pay like 15 grand to go get

yelled at by somebody for a week? There's a whole show about it. Yeah, yeah. But you know, I'm not going to hate on that because, one, you know, brothers got to eat. you know like if you got to eat so that's what i was talking jacked it's like how much do you really fault them it's like somebody's willing to pay that money right yeah there's a market yeah yeah examine though why there's like this uh why is there's an audience out there of like dudes who think

they need to go and like hold a rucksack over their head and that's going to like what's that going to do right yeah right unless you're doing it for personal fitness in which case you know but but also if you're look i i don't fault somebody for i fault the seals for just wandering around carrying logs all day I think it's pretty weird to have a bunch of civilians who want to go out and just be tortured by some former military. No, no, no. What they want to do is overcome. They want to overcome something that they have never, they've never been tested.

Yeah, I don't think it's weird at all. I think that, you know, people want to achieve something that they wonder. Difficult. You know, we've all had that opportunity, right? We've all had the opportunity to say, I want to try something. and and this goes back to 9-11 and how like horrible the event is but how it gave us the opportunities to go out and test our limits that we that we might not have had otherwise and so you can run like the New York City Marathon or something if or you know join one of them cross-fit gyms or something like that it's not the same like pick things up. Well, listen, you can do it for two weeks and then you go back home.

Yeah. Or you can do it and sign up to do it for two or three, five years. Yeah. But everybody finds meaning with, everybody's going to find meaning. And the boot camp thing has always been very, like, sexy. Yeah. Like Hell Week is like on all the things.

You know, like, oh, that I want to like make it through that. It just, it looks so at the time. You know, when you're looking at it on the couch, it looks. Yeah. But for some people, like, writing a book is like that thing I would just want to see if I can do. Yeah. During the marathon is that thing I just want to see if I can do. Holding a rucksack over my head while somebody yells at me is that thing I just want to see if I can do.

Like, I don't fault anybody for finding a thing. I am perfectly willing for somebody to pay me to yell at them. I am on board. Yeah, I would absolutely. Yeah, dude, if you want me to stand there with my hands on my hips and watch you do butter kicks. Mad money. It's good money for that. Yeah.

Get a few pay pigs. Good money. Yeah. Good money. And then, you know, I can pay my way through law school. I don't really know. No, that's just what, yeah. Yeah, I just feel like that's, well, no, that was more the strippers.

I'm just going to pay my way through. No, I get that it's kind of a crazy thing to pay someone to, you know, yell at your, hold a rucksack over your head. Yeah, you know. But there's a market and there's guys that have done it that will create the, you know, opportunity. Yeah, the impetus for them to do it. Like, and more power to you, just like the 45 teacher. companies or whatever else, but like the, I am, I mean, I say that I don't run anymore,

not because I only have a leg and a half, but the other thing is like, I was like, I didn't really like running when the Army paid me to do it. So I'm not going to pay somebody else. Right. To go and run like 26.2 months. That's real far. You can run all in your own. Yeah.

No, I don't, like I said, you know, and people have to make living in it. I can get it. If they find their niche, then. I'm going to get a jetpack. More power to them on. Yeah. You know. It's just interesting.

And look, if you're a ranger or a seal or, you know, whatever you did and you use that to make a living, that's no different than somebody saying I went to Harvard Law School. Yeah. How about this one example? My brother's a fireman, and a lot of people want to not, you know, they want to go into a fire and see what it's like to put a fire out. But they're not joining the fire department. You know, like, if there's an experience that puts you through the rigors of learning how to do this. that and go into a fire and you do it. And you're like, that was tough. Great.

And then you go back to your regular job. Like, that's, that's okay. Here's my million dollar idea. You're sure you want to, like, tell what to... Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. Bring it. I've said it before, and it's already been trademarked by me saying I've trademarked it. That's officially how it works.

Yeah. I've heard that. It's a controlled environment where you get to go do stuff that otherwise would land you in jail. So, like, it's like an adult amusement. park where you get to go see if you can rob a bank. This is Westworld. Yeah. Where you can see if you can go get a high-speed chase

and see if you can evade the cops. Because I think that stuff, you see that stuff in movies right. You're right. People would pay a shitload of money for something or that. You can tell me if I can get in a car and see, all right, see if you can evade somebody chasing you and drive as fast as you can in, you know, quote-unquote control environment, I would absolutely sound up. No, you're absolutely right.

People would sign up for that in heartbeat. Yes. Here's the bank. Here's your crew that you get. Here are your resources. See if you can go rob this bank. Yeah, your squad. Get your boys together and go rob a bank. You can go do point break. I am going to say, however, speaking of just like get your crew together, it turns out that Vanilla Ice and his crew cannot really renovate a house. There is the Vanilla Ice Project. For those of you who are curious, it ran for like nine or ten seasons. and wait nine or ten seasons

how did I not ever hear about this I don't know but my friend and I when I was getting out of the military my friend and I were marathoning like a whole season of it like he put they put like they would rip it and it's in Palm it's in like West Palm or something like they would buy

foreclosed mansions and then renovate the shit out of them and it's like vanilla ice and like his like crew and like one poor fucking contractor He's like, oh, my God. You guys are just going to destroy this. And it's the most

hilarious hate watch that is not at all military-related. It's just a guy in his crew can go and do whatever the fuck they want. And that is essentially what this show is. Like, they, my favorite one was they took, they were like, oh, we have like a guest room and like a whole guest suite

and we're going to make it so they have an external entrance. We're going to make it like it's beachfront property in West Palm. They're not that far. But they had dump trucks come bring sand and, like, dump it in front of the door, like, right on the lawn. I was like, this, this is priceless right here. Did you watch all, like, nine seasons? I did.

I only made it through, like, season two or three. And then I was like, oh, this will be on the wall. I can come back. Vanilla Ice is, like, I feel bad for the dude because it's like disco, right? Disco was so popular. to not. Now he is, maybe. Now he is. There's a vanilla ice movie in the 90s that

supposedly he got paid a million dollars to do. A million dollars is though is nothing. What I'm saying though is that... I'll take it. But he was so... He then dumped all of that into fucking shitty foreclosed mansions in West Palm.

He was so detested for a while and like so beat up and made fun of vanilla ice. Like, people just write on that deal so much. And it's like, you dance to him. Why are you going to write on the dude? Oh, yeah, no. No, I fully support the Ninja Rap.

Oh, yeah. What a song that was. What a tieback insert in this series. Oh, yeah, you're hearing. Ninja. Ninja. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ninja.

Rap. Go, ninja. Go, ninja. You're welcome. So I just wanted to point this out. Rally fan 199 said

the Robb the bank ride could be the second Ranger bat experience so there you go the only vanilla ice adjacent story I have

is one of my everyone has this guy in their platoon one of the privates in my squad went to a vanilla ice concert

and it had the drum the drummer on his drum set had like a crumbed out skull it was plastic

obviously like all crumbed out and he stole it off the drum set and brought it back with them And we put it above our squad lockers and put a Ranger beret on it. And that hung there.

That is sort of amazing. A, that he went to a vanilla ice concert. Yeah. Like 2005 or something. Yeah. However, I will say that last summer I definitely went to see New Kids, Rick Astley, Salt and Peppa and Vogue all playing at the same place. And it was amazing.

That's crazy. Sounds amazing. Yeah. And it was. We were in, like, beyond nose, like, we were the last, last row, but we only paid $40 a ticket. And, oh. That's where you get the contact high. Oh, my God.

I will also say that it was probably 85 to 90 percent women, age 35 to 55, to 55. And it was hilarious. Prime hunting grounds. Oh, hell yeah, just roll on in there, and you're like, excuse me, laying some cougar traps. but yeah however this I believe I'm I'm already rallying the crew to go and see

Shaggy and TLC who just announced their tour and I was like I hate that but it's true look man don't go to chase in waterfalls no you don't want to look for the rivers and rivers you're used to

yeah yeah know all the words to that one too also So, no scrubs. No scrubs. Wait, can we talk about the corn rob zombie concert in 2016? Also. Yes.

Yeah. And I was actually just talking to somebody yesterday about the misfits. Because misfits are touring with fear, who we're not sure if any of the original members of fear are still in them. But misfits, apparently Danzig is touring with them too. Really? Yeah. All right. Well, it's been a joy to be.

here. Thanks for coming in guys. I have to get going. I appreciate the invite. Dude, come again. We had a fucking awesome time. Thank you very much. Such a pleasure. Jack, thank you for having me, man. Thanks for coming in. It's a pleasure to meet you. Love me to meet you. Pleasure. That was fun. You're going to pass off your your little fancy mic to. Let's get more here. Oh, you're out of here? You're both out of here. All right. Gentlemen.

Good to meet you. Thanks very much for having me. Absolutely. Safe home, all that's your stuff. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for coming in and bullshit with us for a while. Yeah, for sure. Stick here, guys.

All right. I guess they have more important things to do on a Friday. It's all right. Ian is en route. Should be here in a few minutes, and we'll get things going. Sounds good. Adam might be. Adam might be.

Wow. That's a crazy question. You're asking crazy questions, Dee. Yeah. Yeah, crazy questions. I have crazy answers. Dick, where do you want to sit for this thing? Probably.

All right, almost. I mean, I think I can handle that C-4. Where Alana's at or where D is? You want to sit where D is? No, you can sit here if your back is bothering you. No, that's a bad. Yeah, yeah. It's a bad chair for my back, but that's probably the best place for me to sit.

No, no. If your back's fucked up, sit in the corner there, we're desetting up the mic. We can always move the table over there. I don't know what you would be good. You're not a dungeon master because it's called Cthew. It's not. I'm a keeper. I'm really bummed out that I'm not.

Pardon this intermission guys while we set things up. Do you have fun music? Do you have like, we should have a jingle. We should have a jingle. You should have like, you should have intermission music. and like a let's go out to the lobby. We're experiencing some technical. Yeah, Fulties.

Guys, we are at 69.6 subscribers. Get us up to 70,000. Come on. We're doing this marathon, this Jerry Lewis telethon for you guys. What is that? 400 subscribers we mean? Uh-huh. Oh, look at this.

Debbie Downer. Yeah, really. Debbie Downer. Yeah. Sad trombone. Yeah, I kind of want to, I don't. I kind of want to crack that open. You want to pop this open

when we're waiting on Ian and D? Well, that's bad people. Like, that's, we don't... Bad people is where we specialize, Dave. Don't lie. It's like, we don't... I would, like, either win or lose every game depending on...

This is right in our wheelhouse. Wait, you're still here. You can hang out? Are you leaving out for a bit? Okay, cool, man. Sure. I think we scare them off of the role-playing game. He was like, oh, God.

Oh, God. It is about to get real weird, real fast. Shit, look at all these cards. This is crazy. I have no idea how this game is played. I don't know what I'm doing. I just saw it like the little back. It's amazing, man.

Getting started. The object of the game is to be the first player score seven points, laughing, crying, screaming, drinking, and being a jerk not only accepted, it's encouraged. Step one, each player chooses a player identity card gray and places it face up in front of them. No, are we...

Do we have more moose? No, we're out. Oh, I should have brought... Oh, I'll go get some booze real quick, then. I can go... Yeah, we'll be right back. We'll be right back. Is it within walking or...

Yeah. Okay. It's right up on... Yeah, because otherwise my sober ass can drive if need be. Oh, no way. It's within walking distance. It's like two blocks away. It's just like two blocks up, right, Jack?

Yeah, yeah. Okay, here are the great cards. Jesus Christ. What the hell is this thing? This is more in depth than I thought it would be. Okay. Hey, Jack, try one of the other ones. They're super quick. It's going to be hard.

Here we go. Try the zombie one. All right. Well, that's fine. What do we do? All right. You have an identity card. Each player collects a picture voting card black for every person playing the game.

I'm over this already. So many instructions. Two cards. Okay, so each player collects a voting card black Okay, and we don't We place this shit face up? What do we do not know? It says nothing about...

Wow, these two things are both very appropriate for me. Okay. Are you sure? Because I have the cat lady. I also have the cat lady. So... And there's three, and yeah, that's... Each player collects a double-down card green.

Three cards. Okay. Okay, gameplay. The last person to arrive begins as the dictator. The dictator draws a question card, read it aloud. Okay, the question cards must be white cards. Let you go ahead. I'm just gonna cut the deck because I don't know what I'm doing.

Okay, place the voting card down. All right, the last person arrives at a question card and read, okay, read it aloud. Least likely to believe in global warming. See, I thought we were engaging, I thought we were judging our friends. We're getting there. The dictator, you, cast their vote by silently choosing one of the, oh, so there's only two of us, so that makes this pretty, uh... We're going to be giant assholes to each other until the other people come out.

Okay, we can see how this go, at least we'll learn how to play it. Cast their vote, silently choosing one of the players, me. You can play. He's like, no, fuck all y'all. Then placing the coinciding voting card face down in front of them. The dictator can't vote. Yeah, we actually need more than two people to play the game. Yeah.

Oh. Well, that's a, that fucking sucks. Yeah, three to ten players. Well, and fine, fuck you. Well, we just judge all the people that we don't even know that many. All right, that was a, that was a valiant effort that I made. Yeah, get to that silver mic for me. That one?

I'm just going to. Check, check, check. All right, don't scream. Shit, fuck-ass, cunt, son of a bitch, and motherfucker. There it is. Thank you.

Hold on. Do you rehearse that? That's George Carlin's seven words you can't say on TV. Yeah. It just rolls right off the tongue, though. Well, I've had lots of experience and training in this particular field.

Oh, see, like, somebody's a good, see, I feel like you could just play this with if we were all prostitutes, who would charge them, See, these are great questions. We're going to... Great ice breakers.

This is going to... This is going to have to come out tonight after a few more drinks when we have some people here. Yeah. That would be the worst phone sex effort. See, I don't feel like you need all these rules and other cards. I feel like this is just something that you can play with friends and acquaintances, particularly acquaintances.

Here we go. Zombie dice. Zombie dice is a quick game for any zombie fan. or the whole zombie family. 13 custom dice of their victims, push they'll like to eat their brains. Plus she'll play at lunch. Okay, but where are the instructions for this one?

A handful of live wasps for the least amount of money. Wow, I have a list of people who would do that. Hang out with some pretty dumb friends. I love very much. I'm not drunk to pre-drinks. That's standard. Drunk text of X. Here we go.

Okay. Wait, do we double check how many people are needed to play this one? That's a great question, Alana. That's what I'm here for. Two players. Sweet. Even better. Yeah, she's like, I can stay over here.

I don't have to get mixed up with you jerks. All right, this game includes three dice, a cup to hold them to blah-b-b-b-b-b-la-b-b-la. The last player is the one-in-one. The last game of the one who can say brains with the most feeling. On your turn, shake the cup. cup. Take three dice from it without looking and roll them. Each one is a human victim. The red dice are the top of the easiest. The dice have three symbols. Brain, you ate your victim's brain. Set the brain dice to your left.

Shotgun you fought back. Set your shotgun dice to the right. Footprints, who escaped, keep the footprints dice in front of you. If you choose to roll again, you can re-roll these dice along with enough new ones to bring the total to three. If you roll through shotguns, your turn is over. Otherwise, you can choose to stop more. All right, I think we just have to roll into it. All the dice go in this thing. Literally. That was a unwell intended. All right. Note three. Okay.

Not all. I was playing Yatzing, I think. No. Okay. You roll it, you like shake it up, and just take three dice out without looking.

Oh. Okay. Prints and two sets of footprints. Okay. Brains. You ate your victim's brain, set the brain dice to your left. You don't have any.

I don't have any. Shotgun. you don't have any. Footprints, your victim escaped. Keep your footprints dice in front of you. If you choose to roll again, you will re-roll these dice along with enough new ones

to bring the total to three. All right. If you keep going, keep all your footprints on the table. Okay, do you want to roll again? I don't, I don't, what do these do? I don't see anything about paw prints. Yeah, literally nothing.

Give me these. Why is this game all of a sudden hard? Alright, go ahead and roll again. Oh, but I can only roll one? Just shake it up and pick out to it. Okay. Even though I have these two. Yeah, keep it.

Okay. Two more positive. Oh, and a brain. Okay. So put the brain to your left. Footprints, your victim escaped. Keep your footprints dice in front of you. Okay.

Would you like to continue or turn it over to me? I don't know the advantages We're playing until you reach 13 brains How do people know what's going on That are watching? Would you just explain it to them? I'm kind of like figuring out

in real time so I can't readily answer that That question. You're not prepared to answer that right now? No, no, not. Ian's point. You hung up on Ian. Sorry. He's getting harder than it should be too.

Wow, but it really doesn't anything about these. And you know. I'm right on here. What's going on? Oh, hey. I don't see you in ages. What's going on? I know we're looking very much alive. We're like used to it now. I would give you a hug, but I'm like kind of blocking the microphones.

But you've seen you? I already do. I think I knocked some. Are those tattoos new? These? Yes. I mean, I've seen you like take the prosthetic out, but I never know as tattoos. I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck are these.

I might. I'm like. the person who Googles it because I really want to know what those ballprens are. Sorry, we're experimenting with new guys, but also, yeah, super nerdy new tattoo. Okay. So on the back is the, an Elkar system

from Star Trek Next Generation, and it's all like propulsion system, engineering, because it's on my leg. This is Vulcan script, and this is Klingon. And this is Great Deeds, Great Songs, and this is what is, like the No Regrets type of volcanism. And this is because in the Star Trek Next Generation episode about interrogation...

This is the nerdiest thing I've ever heard. It's about to get worse. Yeah. After the third time I heard Vulcan. But this is because there's a very, an excellent. episode where Picard has held prisoner and interrogated

and it's he knows that there are four lights but they continue to torture him trying to get him to say that there are five lights and so this is four lights and then the fifth one because I was an interrogator and this is a whole thing and so the last time I saw you was about a year ago so you got

all that done in the past year yeah actually fairly recently yeah and I'll probably put like some more shit on it but I've been meaning to decorate the remaining shit that's meat. Like a full leg sleeve?

Yeah, well, I'll probably do like up to like halfway, like a little bit above the knee. It's wild. So I already have a lot and so fuck it. Yeah, where's Dave? He is buying booze. He'll be right back. Cool. All right, so we're going to start over again.

Wait, I'm going to look up. what the fuck those ball prints are. What is this called? Zombie dice. You're going to look at the chat right here. Okay. You go first. If anybody knows what these are about.

Oh, I think I got to figure it out. Shake this up, pull three dice out. Okay. Without looking at them. Yeah, all right. This really goes back to your Dungeons and Dragons days. We're getting there. We're getting there.

All right. Don't look at it yet. Just set them down. Okay. Okay. Wait, I did four. All right. Pick, throw one in there.

Okay. Okay. So you're brain. brains, you're going to put on your left. Those are basically points. Okay. Win the game. Footprints, your victim escaped.

You're going to keep those in front of you. Okay, now, do you want to keep going and roll again and try to get some more brains, or do you want to pass it over to the next player? I guess I'll roll again. Okay, so you take this, put it back in there, roll again. And then I just pick three more. Dude, you guys are like the nerdiest military people I know. Indeed.

I'm so used to being around like vet bro type military people. Okay. The complete opposite of all of you. Apparently the answer on the Reddit machines, by the way, is that it's basically to figure out who goes first. Oh, okay. That's as near as anybody could figure out. I just chose Ian. Go ahead and put it down.

All right. I'm going to read with this guy said after then. So run, run. And this is a shotgun blast. So you set this to your right. I'm just going to read this guy said I hear a voice that is a mixture of velvet and the gold and raised the son, Ian Scott has clearly arrived. The voice of our intro video has arrived, guys.

And we also have Tinder chat spamming us. If you get to, you've got a shotgun blast. If you get three, you're out. Okay. Do you want to keep rolling, or do you want to pass it on? I think so pass it on. It's fine. Okay.

So, I think we put these back in here. So now I'm going to roll. I'm going to take three. All right, I got two brains. I'm going to put those here. and, whoops, and I got one shotgun blast. What does that do? That means I'm fucking, if you get three of those, you're out.

Oh, I see. I'm going to give it to a long. Okay, so put those brains. And my dude got away. That means someone got away. Do you want to roll again, or do you want to pass it back to Ian? I'm going to roll again. What do I do with the feet?

Put that back in there. Roll it up. Okay, so you got one, oops, one shotgun blast, one brain, and this goes in front of you. Do you want to roll again, or do you want to keep going? Oh, but three of those, and you're out. So we're all tied.

I just threw that on the floor. Yeah, all three must have one. Yeah, and we're running out of dice. I think you're supposed to keep tally and then put them all back in. I think that's what's going on. That seems hard. Oh, but I got a fourth brain.

But you got a shotgun. I did also get a shotgun. So I'm trying to collect brains basically. We are. Okay, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm kind of getting it now. There's only one in there. You're supposed to roll with three.

So what do we do, you think? It says at the bottom, I think. I got. Of the instructions. By the way, it's like my first time of year. This looks awesome. It is pretty damn cool. Thanks, bro.

Yeah, I'm just looking around. They don't have the giant table though, which. The giant table is a little out of control. It's so many books here that I, you know, recognized from over the years. And guys actually both of us have interviews. So, hold on, I'm going to keep the score. Alana, Jack,

Ian. So Ian has two, I have two, Alana has four. Because we need to, we're running out of dice here, right? So old needs to be back in there. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Cool. So I'm describing three. Yeah. You're supposed to keep the shotguns. and front of... Yeah, but see, you need the dice.

You're right. Well, no, if you don't have three dice left in the cup, make a note of how many brains you have and put them all in the cup, but keep the shotguns in front of you. Oh, man, this is complicated. All right, I have one of these. I see.

That means they put these back, right? Unless you want to go again. If I go again and don't have to take this, then? No. You got to keep that in front of you. And you can put the feet back in. Gotcha. I'll pass on then, so you...

Okay. So take these. So you've been doing this since noon, right? Because I cleaned in earlier. Yeah, I mean, we were playing Ninja Turtles earlier. So I got one, two brains. I'm going to take my two brains and move on. Could I tell you what's one thing that's new in my life as we're doing this?

Yeah, yeah. So you guys saw an email that I sent of why I couldn't be here. I saw that. You got a job. Yeah, but here's the thing. I worked for NewsMatch for four days. And I was like, fuck this. I'm out of here.

A plus sir. It was like... Oh, I'm dead. Because I already had. Oh, okay. It was incredibly good pay. It was more than I've ever gotten paid to do a job in my life by far. What's going on, dude?

But you couldn't make it, but it was not worth your soul. Yeah, and it's not even... I mean, I'm just talking to these people and talk... To these people. And when I say that, though, like, I... I think Jack knows this. Inside the computer. And Chris feels the same way he's

like, it's not just news mix. Like, I despise the news media as a whole. I really do. Unless I was working for like AP or something, you know, which I'd be okay with. But like, yeah, I really do hate just the, like, how much media is out there purposely

driven to anger people. One way or another. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then beyond that, I mean, the hours were absolutely insane. I would literally just be sleeping and working at Newsmax and that would be my life. And I was like, yeah yeah so anyway that's what's doing my life see like I would say like I would say it's a soul

that like I'm the soul of fit so it really doesn't matter to me but no I can feel that yeah wait so what am I doing I'm taking three of these yeah because I'm I'm out because I got three I got shotguns I got two right where should I sit

oh yeah yeah sure I don't know if this was yours I haven't touched it no you guys get to you guys get to Yeah, you guys get to cozy up. Oh, yeah. All right, so wait, do I have three here? I don't know why I can't, like, count three in my hand. But, yeah.

All right. So I'm out. I'm definitely out. Okay, so I guess I won the one. You learned. By default. Good job. Okay.

Dave, what do you need to... Is that the zombie one? Yeah, yeah. It's cool. They said it's a quick strike game. Once we figured it out, yeah. Yeah, it's fun. So go ahead and do what you need to do, man.

I'll let you come sit down. Yeah, yeah, we're wrapped up. All right. We, yeah. It's a very quick game. That's good. Yeah, they said it, because I asked him for, like, quick start games. Because we're not going to sit down and figure out, like, settle on its own.

This game way harder. Yeah. However, the cards are pretty amazing. Like, the questions. Who would eat a human meat burger for the least amount of money. I think it's old-pressant company. I would also, like, I would expand. more. I don't expand that to be honest, but

I could have like four guys I don't want to. So before we start on Coutula real quick, let's do like, let's do like four questions or five questions from this deck and we'll just point to the person we think it applies to. Just for shits and grins. Yeah. You have the cards over there. Oh, I do. So ask, like,

shuffle it up and ask a question? Yeah, because I was already skimming through a bunch of days and I was like, oh, I know, like, I would have trouble with some of my friends picking one person. Oh no, that one's boring. Not that one's boring, too. Hold on, because I'm selective.

In the future, or now, who's most likely to leave their partner for a sex robot? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll point at D. Just, everybody point at the person you think it's going to be. I could see D like marrying any anime character in the future. Wait, we didn't say anime, do we? No, I'm like, oh wait, was that an option? Maria, if you're watching, I'm kidding.

She's like, oh, but are you? But are you? Who thinks they're more attractive than they actually are? I don't have an answer for this. He's like, I don't know, I'll go with Dave, yeah, I'll go with Dave. I mean, if you're going to self-identify. Yeah, Jack, or Dee? What's up?

Who thinks they're more attractive they are in this group, including you? I don't know, man. I'd say me. I'll give it to you. Because I used to be attracted. And I never, like, grew out of the fact that I'm not anymore. It's kind of hard to play this, though,

because I'll be honest, this is my first time meeting him. I don't know what applies to you at all. I mean, you know about my vanity perfectly well. Yes, I don't know who the answer would do that. Who is secretly. done something very illegal and gotten away with it. Oh, could be anybody in.

Yeah, I feel like that's everyone. Yeah. I'm just gonna do a full room. Um, who would- I see Maria comment thing on her comments. Is she reading all this? Are you? Maria.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nope. Yeah. Um. Who would eat a ham?

handful of live wasps for the least amount of money. Oh, no, no, bro. D? No. I'd probably do it. Yeah, see, I could see that. I can see it. I don't get that.

I'm hungry. No, most likely. He was a child's artillery officer. Turn up drunk to pre-drinks, cheating. That's obviously. He's Irish. Already did it. No racial comments, please.

Oh. Children, who is the most high maintenance in a relationship? I think... You? Yeah, very... Really? Oh, fuck, no, man. No?

No? I'm like, are we staying in tonight? Or are we staying in tonight? Because that's cool. I mean, I've gotten a little bougier in my older years. Oh, yeah? Yeah. And are you high maintenance?

How much time do you spend on your hair? I haven't been in a relationship in so long. No, I'd rather like tear the meal with it. Look at you. Look at you. Yeah. Huh. Yeah.

I know. I used to eat MRIs. Who's the A soul here, guys? Thank you. Yeah. If it's not clear, it's probably you. Some of these, I'm like, it doesn't really.

Ooh, who would be the worst person to work for? D. 100% D. Really? Yeah, man. D would fucking bust your balls. I mean, apparently newsmen. Oh, I'll see you.

Dees and denial about this shit. I was a great boss. According to whom? Yeah, according to the stories you've told me yourself. When they were, they're exited interviews. Remember when you said, you guys fired people. Not because they're about a job, they're assholes.

Yeah. I mean, drinking on the job is you're a bad at your job and you're an asshole. Dude, you're a cook. What else are you going to do? Yeah, I can't drink. They're smoking doobies back there throwing shit on the grill. You can't do it. You can't do it because it was an exposed kitchen.

I don't want to get into it. You seem a little defensive here. But you said they want that. Anyway. In their lifetime, who is most likely to become a pimp or madam? The thing you've got to understand is that the level of a pimp is very different from that of the square. The accuracy. Gator don't play.

He's walking around money. He's walking around money. Pimps up. Hose down. Who would eat... The game is the game. Oh, come on. Who would eat a human meat burger

for the least amount of money? Like, just give me, like, in a live scenario. And I'm like, if you're not using that meat. Donner, that's not a sexual question. Yeah, no one else is eating that ground beef, you know... Exactly. Like... That ground human flesh.

You're not using it. Yeah. If you're not using it, like, because you're already dead. Protein is protein, right? Yeah. I mean, you just can't eat the brain, I think. Look, I wouldn't judge you guys if you ate me, like, if we were in a plane crash. You got to do what you've got to do.

Yeah. Like, and, you know, I mean, I'm rooting for the biggest person because it'll feed you the longest. Right. But, like, because I was telling you that I just did this Arctic thing, and I was like, who, when you first show up, you're like, okay, no, who, if we're being chased by a polar bear? Like, who are they going to go for first? Because that's probably the same person that if we get stranded out here, I'm going to go. for first. Right, right. It's the slowest. Who would I eat first? Slowest or largest? Like, they look the most, I mean, they're probably really hungry, like, global warming and the fact that they're...

We're kind of exceeding the bounds of this question, like, who are we going to do in first? Like, kind of going into a certain... Yeah. I mean, that's always the... That's the next question. You know, I mean, I understand how you get there fairly quickly, but... Yeah. Suffers from resting bitch face. Again, let's go for a color. collective here, but also me. Pay too much to do what they do. No, not me. Nope, nope. Well, that's just sad.

If we were all panhandlers who would make the least amount of money. Oh, damn. Shade. Yeah. Shade. Well, Ian has the best voice, so I think he was... Oh, yeah.

Remember that homeless guy with the great voice? Yeah, the famous. The van with the golden voice. Yeah. But he had like a crazy criminal. old past and I think like that's why I was like yeah well look I mean this is an original like I think I saw a comedian say this and and I'm saying that in case I'm this is original and I don't want to come across as an asshole um but like if you're homeless you kind of have to be an asshole

because that means everybody in your life has given up on you like you can't turn to family you can't turn to friends like or you're or you're mentally and I'm not taking anything away from But for people who aren't, if you're a homeless, like nobody that you know will take you in? Yeah, yeah. Or you can't get to them or something like that. I mean, not to be like super serious here and like really, I don't. But truthfully, I think a lot of people are like, there's people who are so mentally ill that they'd rather be homeless. Like, that's how they, I think in many cases, like, they're off their meds.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Asylums were horrible, but closing them down was one of the worst things we ever did. Dave, Dave, the game. All right. It's kind of like, we've got to get this thing going. Yeah, the game. Because otherwise we're, who most likely do, enjoy being dominated in the bedroom and so forth.

We all dressed up as the opposite sex would look the most believable. This game is kind of fun. I might be a good talk. What booze? What booze did we open, the Lefroy or the... I didn't open either of them. Oh, Dave, just focus on the game.

Focus on the game. Will you stay on the game? Well, there's some in the buffalo. Do you want LeFroy or do you want... Do you finish the buffalo trace? There's a little what-have-you there. And a little what-for? Finish that.

Finish that there, Pat. There you go. All right. So somebody might have to share dice. Like, it gets even worse. I got like Spock on. Oh, my God. Wow.

You got to show those on 10. Can they see that? Trek yourself before you wreck yourself, bro. I don't know if you're deep seeing the Star Trek. Oh yeah, super. Yeah. Do you have any military tattoos or no?

It's just all Star Trek. Yeah. I have other tattoos that are not, these are actually my, this is actually my only Star Trek related tattoo,

it's just a large one. Can you read this? All the rest are mostly like. I'll figure it out. Like, like, like dragons, music notes, like all kinds of other ships. Which, that in itself, though, is weird.

I feel like so many, most military guys have military-related tattoos. Or, you know what you're just thinking on that note, this is the craziest one, and I don't even know exactly why, but how Leo Jenkins had an American flag that he completely blacked out. Now, he just has a completely black arm. Wait, what? Yeah. You know those people who get the full, like, blackout tattoos?

Yeah. Yeah, Leo Jenkins had an American flag and some other stuff, and now it's just, like, black. Now he's, like, a half-black sleeve. I don't know. I don't know who Leo Jenkins is. He's a Ranger medic. I know who Leroy Jenkins is.

That's what I thought he said. Why did he black out his American flag? I don't know exactly. Like I remember saying, I thought it was cool. And he's like, yeah, it was. But this is cool. I have a completely black arm. Like, all right.

If that's what you're into, man. I don't think it was done to, like, disrespect the flag. Yeah. Although Leo also lives in Mexico now. So maybe he's like, fuck this touch right. I don't know. Anyway, I'm not interrupting all this. No, I haven't.

I've talked to Jenkins in years, man. Fuck. I know he's in Mexico. Yeah, yeah. He's down in Baja or something like that, yeah. Yeah. So, oh, you know what I was going to ask you, too? I'm totally off the top of all this.

So I saw earlier that you guys were playing that Ninja Turtles game. Yeah, yeah. And Dee has it so, like, you could see the Ninja Turtles game and you could see you guys. You know what I totally would love to do? Like, me, you, well, actually, the three of us are like Mike Binns, finally have to sit down and watch the big, bang and Pyongyang and do

commentary. Okay. All right. We can do it. Dennis Rodman in North Korea. Oh, shit. Yeah, I would love to do.

It actually is, so. Let's not? No. If you're doing commentary, I think it would be awesome. I really want to. I've always had that idea, but I don't know how to pull it off.

All right. So what do we got to do there, the Big Bang and Pyongyang? I just lost to die. No, you've been. Is it, um, uh, you have to worry about what?

It's not. It's not fucking trademark. It's a copyright law. But, not on a... You don't when you're doing commentary, like there's a certain amount of... Because that's why, like, Rift Tracks, MST3K's Rift Tracks,

like you have to play it with the movie because they couldn't get the rights. If you commentate over it, then you're changing the nature of the product. Like you're creating new product... They'll still tick you on YouTube. But not if you do a certain amount. Like, there's a little...

We did, like, Larry Chambers' episode. He did a huge commentating on his trailer to La Condo. Was that the name? Mm-hmm. And we got copyrighted by A&E networks. No shit. What did we made it private, and we just linked it to, like, uh... We could do it, like, our Patreon.

Yeah, just for Patreon. No, no, but there's... You can also do it without showing the movie. Yeah. There's supposed to be a certain amount of movie that you can show. And if you're commenting over it... They have... like their own like programs that just automatically copy

this one of you. I think that'd be a really cool Patreon exclusive. By the way, am I, I'm just wondering, am I too loud with having this mic on me? I don't think so I'm gonna switch spots with you so that nobody can see my secret. Are you sure that you can't, like,

that you don't wanna with your back? If it gets bad, I'll, I'll like move or something to stand up. I can move to. But it's the best place for me right now. But yeah, I've always wanted to do that with you guys. but I could do it how to do it

I think I would love to do comment just commentary on like military style movies and like rip on them that shit's been done man it's been done

but for Patreon I think would be cool but only Jack really knows Mike Binns Andrew Wilkow's producer he'd be perfect for it's fucking funny

he has so many just spur of the moment funny lines and I've actually yeah he does I've seen people go in Wilkow and Mike will say

well Mike will say something to them in the control room that's really funny and then the guest will steal it, they'll go on the air and they'll say a line that he said and use it as their own.

Because he's just such a fucking, like, smart, funny guy. And, yeah, I'd love to have him here and do that. I see that there's a super chat. Oh, is there? Oh, wow. I'm trying to keep track of all this. Why are we getting? Any thoughts on Army Sciop Skrtle, Lujan?

I have no idea what that means. Army Sciops girl Luzhan. Let's do a little bit of commentary. Dave, Dave, the game, the game. It's a super chat. It's not our job to investigate some Army Sciops girl on the internet so that I can weigh in on somebody I have no knowledge of whatsoever. That is the fun of the internet.

People weighing in on stuff that they have no knowledge of whatsoever is the internet. It is true. that the YouTube voice speak very quickly state a lot of opinions as if they're facts I guess she's an army E-girl yeah she's hot that's great man yeah okay so here's what's happening we are going to play a game called call of Cotulu if you don't know Cotulu is a mythos created by HP Lovecraft and then followed up by other people and it is basically a mythos of these Astral beings, Sagan?

Increasingly horrifying. Increasingly horrifying. Existential dread. Yes. Yes. Well, not just existential, but also physical dread. So. It's a great story.

Yes. Hard reading, though, sometimes. His writing style can be challenging. But it's a role-playing game, but unlike D&D where you are the hero, and this you're more just basically normal people, but we're playing a version called pulp. So you're more like the pulp heroes, right? The heroes of pulp, like old pulp novels, pulp fiction,

where... Everybody's in, like, the dot. You have a little bit of extra, a little bit of extra something, right? Where in the normal version of called Kutulu, you're just a normal person. and you get fucked very quickly. And I print up enough character sheets so that if you do, like, die. But in this, generally there's a scene where you're investigating,

coming together for various reasons. Isn't the whole point of this game to die? Pretty much, pretty much. But we're going to avoid, try to avoid, the TPKs or what we call the total party kills. I'm going to give you guys, you know, some opportunity. some opportunities to grow as people, you know. Before we die.

Yeah. Before you die. We're going to say. I'm not going to let the first. I'll try not to let the first shaggot that you come across, like destroy you. This is what you hope you were going to get into today? So generally, generally if you think of like a 1920 and 1930s, like sort of Pulp Fiction idea, like the shadow or whatever, but now we're also talking about obscene horror.

And I mean obscene because it's Coutou, and it's obscene, not sexually obscene, just obscene in the most... Has anybody got, like, I'm, for like the 80th time today, I'm a giant nerd, but, like Lovecraft monsters in general are very descriptively horrific. Yes. Yes. So one of the things about this game that differs from most role-playing games, like where you're going to swing a sword or cast a spell and destroy the thing in front of you, in this game, one of the things you have is sanity, right? And your characters will have varying amounts of sanity.

And when you run into things that are insane, you have the chance of losing your sanity. and going insane yourself. But your sanity generally degrades over time. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to put out some of these characters sheets. And you guys don't worry about the gender. You can change the gender. You can change the name.

Because the stats and everything are not. Because you have like the pre-made influence. Dave, give me the fake news journalist. I have a journalist for you. There's one, there's two. The second sheet, all it has on it, I think, is some of them has, like, money and whatnot. But I will tell you what your starting inventory is

if you don't have a starting inventory on there. So I have, this is what I have. I have. You expected this, right? I guess. A criminal burglar who is a femtent. towel. I like her.

You can come play, please. Yeah, grab that. Hell yeah, bitches. Do you have any hats? Wait, do they print it? Oh, he printed all the same ones out. They're all the same. Holy fuck, they're all the same.

Okay, so we've run into some issues here. We're all 70 towels. They are all the same character sheets that the dude printed out. That's problematic. We just got to, I guess, get some other, like, just take them and make some stats. Are you kidding? Are you a role playing game type of dude?

I have admittedly never played one of these things before. I'm not nearly as dirty as these three, despite never serving in the military or any of that. Are there character sheets in the book? Yeah, we can just copy. I don't... Yes, but I don't know like character sheets. No, we do.

I would have them up on the N-RPS. I mean, I'm not trying to insult you, but would it get some. I have... Oh, and this? I don't know if this. The game. No. It's all right.

It's your first time is it in-keep, whatever. I didn't know. In this game? Keeper, yeah. All right. Turn to your cell phones and pull up a Pulp-Cathulu character sheet. Actually, I'll forward you guys.

Well, you know what? For the viewers, I would say this is an interesting thing to say. It's like we were discussing this whole thing for people who don't know, like, the Team House stream kind of started as you guys doing this type of thing. Yeah. It did. The Team House stream started as mandatory fun, which is a military term. And we were role playing.

This is seventh edition. And we got exactly three views. So to try and get 400 more today, we're doing this. Well, actually, that's an interesting thing you said. I feel like, because I did go to business school, I feel like this is something they would not advise. So. That's a good assumption. Yeah.

What I was going to ask is so it was turned into the team house. And I remember there were a few episodes where like, it did decent. When was the episode you think, or the episode? where this thing really started to take off. Like 20 or so? Probably what guess? Okay, go to D-holeshouse.org. Character library?

Yes, the character library. Actually, I will forward you guys. You don't even go to D-Holes. I will add you guys to the One Drive. Oh, this is horrible. because I already take this bitch because I am his bitch no hats but just disappointing

okay all right I got a character sheet but you have to make sure it's for pulp yeah I did you can choose let's see here I'm a pulp hero yeah just jump on your cell phone and find the character sheet

it's oh Dave you're going to send it to them yeah okay Why don't you just write over? You can write over them. It would just take a minute. Where do they all go? Put them all away over there.

I'm not going back. What do you need? Pass some of the sheets at least so they can just remark. Well, they can pull them up on their cell phone, just pre-generated ones. Yeah. Yeah. But if you want a paper copy, because you're someone, you're an asshole like me. But, oh, and you'll just don't need.

This is very baddie if I don't need it. It's all here. But don't you have to write on it? I hope not. You're just going to know your backstory. Yeah. I am my backstory. I don't read the script.

The script reads me. All right. Throw your email letter. I don't want to have you guys call out your email address. So throw your email address on there. That's very responsible. Offsack, baby. Is this yours or mine?

That one's mine. Yours is empty. Jack has his. Mr. Park, ice. Yes, please. I don't know anything about alcohol. I just know this is, like, extremely expensive. That's all that I know.

And then, um... Oh shit, Tonto Vodka is here. Of course, man. That's sick. I've never actually had, because I don't really drink. Your cup. I hear it's great.

Thank you, sir. Tantovodka.com. Ian, could you hand me the... Well, Freud, please. That's the... Okay. Yes. Thank you, sir.

There's also, I don't know if you guys have a three rangers whiskey. I have we have heard it we tried to get them as sponsors we tried to buy it before but they don't they carried it or they carried it at the logo shop the one we used to go to you okay but they didn't have it did but I had a request access and then so you did you get an email for yeah I just you I hit request access to the Google draft so one of the Rangers from there we've had on Dale Seismore and he was portrayed in a black hawk down absolutely what's a

name Brad Howling. He's starting his own whiskey company. You know Brad? I don't mean. I don't think he's good. She's good. Yeah. Just pat him. Jack. He was in I have one. Part of Black Hawk. Oh, you have? Yeah, pulled it up on him. Okay. I'm good. Oh, you did. Okay. He was part of Black Hawk Down Mission.

Okay. Amputty as well. Deere, are you going to get in on this? No. What? He got his own whiskey company. No. He just wants to enjoy it. All right. We're going to do this. Dave, jump in. Jump in to it. Let's go.

Let's go. We got this. We got to move this thing along. We got this. So what, do we have to choose one of these people? Yeah, just choose one. Okay. Anyone that looks interesting to you, just...

Just pick by occupation. I'm not going to do a fucking Scottish accent. You don't want to hear that. You'll fall. It's easy. I'm just trying to get in here. I'm looking forward to hearing the Scottish accent myself. No, you're not.

You are not. British is passable, Scottish is... I played the drunken dockhand fairly well. It's really my only character. All right. I don't have access to this thing. Really? Really?

Really? Is there one of you go? Yeah. I requested access. You have to approve his access, Dave. Hey, hey. Hey. Hey.

Mr. Park. You have to approve his access. Oh, do I? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I can get it. into the G-driving.

He should have gotten an email that he is requesting the access. So many of these people, like, they don't even have a picture, so. It's okay. Just pick your occupation. Pick my job, bro. All right, I'll just pick one random guy here. I don't know who he is, but all right. What's his job?

You're a janitor? Let's see. Scientists. All right. That fits. There you know. You'll be a scientist. A scholar.

A scholar. It's the glasses. All right. Makes him a science. Makes him a sciencey. You look very sensitive. I never did well in science, but okay. What are you street fighting?

What? No. She should have better street fighting creds if she's a fur. I guess maybe not a furglare. I got somebody. Okay. All right, cool. What's your job?

I'm hired muscle. Perfect. Nice. Nice. Okay. Okay. You need one. Okay, so real quick, why don't you each tell me about your character just a little bit?

Like, tell us. All right, so it says he's a quick study, sharp-witted, weird science. He's a scientist. Weird science, great-meaning. Born in Denmark. I think D.E. is Denmark, right? Probably. He lives in London, age 60.

Job and archetypes. So one of the things that's different in Pulp, Cudulu, is you have an archetype, gives you a little extra. Okay. So what's your job? Job is scientist, archetype is egghead? Egghead, okay, great. So what I want you to do is write down your two skills.

The, you said quick-witted and... Sharp-witted and quick study. Sharp-witted, okay, so just write those down. Okay. What's that occupation and architect? Yeah, occupation architect. Okay. So you guys have to say?

No, what's your occupation? Occupation is hired muscle, and my archetype is two-fisted. Two-fisted. Okay. So, Giovanni. Giovanni.

Giovanni. And what's your name? Ian? What? Well, this guy's name? Dr. Max Bourne. Dr. Max Bourne. Oh, all right.

I don't know, man. I don't know how I'll be able to do this, but all right. So, egghead, everything can be broken down and analyzed in order to understand how it works. Knowledge is the treasure and a joy, a puzzle to explore. Where the scholar is bookish, the egghead is practical and thoroughly enjoys getting their hands dirty. Whether it's wires, gears, valves, and computational engines, or blood and bones, the egghead likes to figure out how things take.

Perhaps an absent mind of genius or razor-sharp virtuoso. The egghead can easily become absorbed in a problem. And you're two-fisted? Two-fisted, two-fisted, oh, that's in one of the tough ones. What are your skills? Not all of them. Powerlifter.

Powerlifter? Hardened, heavy hitter and scary. Okay, write those down for me? Okay. The criminal burglar, Fempe Tal, A smooth talker and master of disguise. Fem Fatal, a deadly woman whose outwardly beauty usually

mass a self-centered approach to life, one who is ever vigilant. By constructing an alluring and glamorous persona, the femme fatale is akin to a spider. She draws others into her web in order to possess what she desires and destroy her target. Raven cunning, the Femphatal,

is not shy of getting her hands dirty and is a capable foe. Neither is she full-hearty and she will wait until her web is constructed before dealing out a sudden and well-timed assault. Yeah, no, that all tracks, except I don't do, I don't wear makeup. And what are your skills to tell me? The Smooth Talker and Master of Disguise.

Okay, write those down. You have it on these sheets over here, I'm just saying. And Jack? I am a foreign correspondent. Yes. And my skills are smooth talker and nimble. What's your archetype? explorer.

Explorer. The explorer, Don't fence me in is the oft-heard cry of the explorer who wishes for a more authentic and fulfilling life. Strong-willed and virtually

unshakable, the explorer is ever questing for what lies over the horizon. Possibly, one with nature, such types are content to sleep or they fall, happily disdaining

the soft comforts of urban life. Whether hacking through the jungle, squeezing through the canvas, caverns, or simply chatting the hidden quarter charting the hidden quarters of the city explores often a misfit who grows restless and is annoyed by those they consider to be weak or cowards

and just to you guys know this generally Kutulu happens during a 1920s 1930s time frame so so if you want to get a little I'm looking for a fucking floppy hat and I don't see one and I'm very disappointed right now and Jack what are your skills Smooth talker and nimble Smooth talker and nimble

Right those down They're right there I put them on that sheet I gotta say like reading these comments Are great What does it say This one I love Shout out to the firefighter guy

Only non-nerd in the room And during this game He's cornered Yeah I can't leave I can't leave Welcome Can't get out

So Ian read me your Your skills And I will I will read you The benefits To those skills and if you have those skills, like, write them down

because it'll help with your die rolls and things as we go along. All right, so quick study and sharp wood. Okay, so, let's see, here, where are the skills? I have all these skills. This is just all as natural for me. You don't even need to look at this thing. No, it's just me.

See what's particularly fun is when you do things, like give them the whole backstory. Is that what happens? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You can give your question. Oh, yeah. You create that.

You can create you create that you the world is your oyster right now All right now yeah just just I mean this is it's so like you said it fits All right yeah two-fisted I got both of them right I got both of them right jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary Your talents okay so quick study yes have the time required for initial and full reading omit those tomes as well as other books. So just write that down half time of reading books. All right.

For quick studies. All right. And then what's the other one? Sharpewitted. Able to Coalifex quickly gain a bonus die. And then on the, for Sherpwitted, it's just the bonus die when making intelligence rules.

It's all good. Oh, here, you need. You want ice? He's like, I'm going to need. Are you done? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I don't care. I mean, he's just going to need a lot more alcohol.

You got it. You know what? Okay, so, Pat, are you power lifter? Yep. On power lifter, just put bonus die. Bonus. Die, D-I-E. Oh, bonus die.

When making strength rolls. Okay. To lift. And then what's for the other one? Hardened. Hardened. for a heavy hitter. Hardin, increase sanity point loss,

or ignores sanity point loss from attacking other humans. Hey dude, can you pass me my jacket? Yes. Bit to shern. Viewing horrific injuries. Oh, God. Short arms, terranosaurons, thank you.

And then the next one, heavy hitter. Yep. May spend 10 luck points. 10 buck points to an additional damage die to add an additional damage die when dealing melee combat

an armed combat or melee combat it doesn't matter yeah and then what's the other one scary is adding to your intimidation where's scary yet I don't see scary in here

but it's at a bonus die when doing intimidation it might be on one of the Smooth talker and a master of disguise A smooth talker is gain a bonus die to charm rolls I'm sorry gain a bonus die to charrules

and so what that is for you for Scarry it's a bonus die to intimidation so if you're trying to intimidate somebody you'll get a benefit to your role So the primary two dice you guys are going to use during this game are going to be, they're both ten-sided dice.

One is going to be listed in tens, so it's going to be 10, 20, 30, 40. You might want to pull that one aside. And the other die is one that looks exactly like that, but only has single digits. So when you roll, a lot of this stuff is going to be percentage rolls. When you roll, you know, an attempt, you'll roll, like, so this would be 22. It's the 20 and the 2.

When you get a bonus die to an attempt, what you will do is borrow somebody else's 10s die. And then, so for instance, I would do this, a bonus die, and then I would take the lowest, or these are both 10, but I would take the lowest. Because what you have, if you look through your character, is you have all these skills, right? And those skills are your chance to achieve something that you're trying to achieve.

The lower your role, the better. Yeah. Actually, if you guys see, I want to look at what it looks like on an actual character sheet and take one of these, even though these aren't your character sheets. But if you see all the skills listed. I got it. Okay. All the skills down here?

So when you try to roll for those. if you get a bonus die in something. So for you, it would be intimidate. For you would be to try to charm them. You'll get an additional opportunity. You'll be able to take the lowest die of the two dice. You want the highest score? You want the...

It's like a dollar score? You want to get under the percentage this listing. Otherwise, you fail at whatever you were doing. Correct. So the percentage. is listed, you'll see a couple numbers next to them. And what those are is a regular attempt,

right? You're going to have some that are, like, really low, and those are just the base. That's like anybody, you don't actually have that skill. That's the base chance of anybody trying this to accomplish it. But, for instance,

for Adeline, for instance, she has an acting of 45. I think it's Adeline. add a line, pardon, pardon-no. She also has a locksmith of 55. So if she's going to attempt a locksmith to pick a lock, I just have to roll under 55.

So you have to roll under 55. Right. Now the next two columns, the 27 and 11th, are hard and like remarkably harder or whatever, like very difficult, very, very difficult. So for instance, you might try. try picking a lock while somebody's attacking it. Right? So that would move it into the next cone.

Now for you, with being able to use your luck, and anybody can use their luck points in this. So for Adeline, your luck is 70. So there'll be times when there will just be a lot. It's okay, they do it with my real name too. That's good. There'll be times when there's just a luck. Good, 70 luck.

70 is good. You can spend luck points, right, to avoid major damage, to accomplish something. You're going to spend luck points, but then your luck score lowers by those points, right? Your luck score will lower by those points, and then anytime you make a luck roll, it goes down. So if you're trying to avoid major damage, you can say, I want to spend the next number. We're kind of just going to have to roll into it. and you'll tell us if we're wrong or not. Let me know if I win.

Yeah. Oh, it's a team effort. Generally speaking, it's a team effort. You're not playing against each other. It's really against him. Well, I'm with you. It's against the book. I'm on your side.

Do you have another skill that we can get to? Sounds like something he would say. I know, right? Smooth talker and Master of Disguise. Master of Disguise would probably be a bonus die roll on your disguise skill. Yeah, I would.

hope so. So, yeah. What is it? Plus one on disguise? Bonus die on disguise. And I have smooth talker and nimble. What's nimble? So nimble is... This is going to confuse me, so... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll just start playing, and then we'll have you guys...

And like I said, we're going to go a little rules light so that it's just a game. So Does not lose next action When diving for cover Versed firearm Okay So somebody's shooting at you And you die for cover

Everybody else will like Lose their next action Because that's what you did You dove for cover He's nimble though He's in him in All right Gotcha

All right Let's roll I'm up They see me I'm down Right Trying to tie it in Yeah no it's good

It's good It's a good game So Your job is a scientist. Yeah. You're a hired muscle? Muscle. You are femme fatal?

I'm a burglar. You're a burglar. I'm a criminal burglar. Is your friend of federal? No, my... Foreign Corps is funny. Oh, you are hard to. So, you all are on a boat to Shanghai.

You actually work for Adeline. Right? You are her hired muscle for when she needs... to resort to muscle during a job. Can you pass me in the Freud? And pass me the alcohols, please. I know that was part of the story.

He was into it. You're on this ship, well, both of you are on this ship, because you were both invited to visit Shanghai to see the opening of an important new exhibit in the Institute Oriental have in the French concession, which is showing

Le Mansour de la Indochines, the mysterious world of Indo-China. Sedue include a set of very rare occult scrolls, as well as a crude and ancient statue identified as Cahuacua, a black toad icon of the early Mongol period. It is December 5th in 1931. as you are departing on the SS President Coolidge from San Francisco to Shanghai with a stop in Honolulu.

You are expecting the lake from San Francisco to Honolulu to take five days, arriving on December 10th, and the section from Honolulu to Shanghai to take further nine days. Now, I'm gonna guide you guys a little bit during this since for quite a few of you, it's your first time. The Dollar Line SS Coolidge departs San Francisco with a near full complement of 670 passengers and 315 crew.

It sails from Pier 42 just after 11 a.m. on December 5, 1931, and then it glides under foggy conditions to the sound of foghorns and clanking bells. The SS President of Coolidge is the largest passenger ship ever built in the United States. But it's not at all that big by European standards. It's 624 feet. You guys need to worry about this. I'm not that. It's definitely targeting a lot for him. history right now. The ship is divided

into four classes. First class, special class, third class, and stearge class. We will say that all of you are in the first class suites as guests. I take care of my people.

You were traveling, you were invited and are traveling under a cover and obviously as a cat burglar, you're on your way to... Steal the damn to the museum. To steal the to toe. So you guys are in suite, first class is 214 to 307 in the suites.

Yeah, room numbers. You do. Bro. What room is he in? It's not in the adjoining room, like the one with our door in between. Am I the adjoining rooms? Yeah.

Yeah. As the muscle, then, I should be at least depressed all over. During this time, this isn't like coronal cruise lines. Like, this is the age of when you pay, for a ticket you get this ticket this is the first class you know this like closing the curtain and everybody else because you are better than everybody else so you it would not be expected that you would go to the lower

decks to slum it and it would not be expected with the Irish with the Irish down there you're obviously are traveling under the skies you're definitely not Irish on this ship. Nimbled. Very nimble. Yes. You're getting it.

Yeah. We'll get you there. I think this is gonna be great. It's very encouraging. I believed you. Just there. I'm being carried. Yeah.

Hired muscle bitch. That's what they used to say in 1912. Right. Hard muscle, bitch. I'm gonna go into like no detectives of us being like, oh, something will help me. If you fell off a cruise ship,

you just fall off a cruise ship. Yeah, you're done. That's it. There was no. It's kind of like that to this day, though. No Coast Guard. No. If you feel, if you scan on, they scan you off like on a cruise?

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, like, there's a certain, like, is the ship going to like turn all the way around? Come looking for you? Now, now. So I may or may not watch docuseries about murders, mostly murders in dumb places and people who are dumb criminals. But my friend and I regularly text about these,

there's one about specifically about cruises. Yeah. And there was one instance where some idiot killed another idiot, and dumped the body overboard and then tried to be like, oh, they just fell. But they did it so, they reported it so quickly that the cruise ship just like stopped, turned around and got the body, and were like, oh, then what's like this, like, huge gash on their head if they shouldn't have had? And yet, because, no, people do dumb things. But, no,

the cruise ships now will turn around and, like, go looking for people or, it's very hard to, It's kind of one of the dumbest places to do murder these days. Well, jurisdiction-wise, it gets interesting because it's like, who's in charge? Is it the country where the ship is flagged? Is it the country they departed from or where they dock? Right. Well, and that's the other thing that people tend to do is they're like, well, I'm not going to get in trouble because it was international waters.

There's no jurisdiction. But eventually the ship's got to go into port somewhere. And then they're going to be like, hey, accountability. Like, there's only 600 other people who could have committed this murder. Becomes this game, basically. Yeah, yeah. No, because I'm here to steal a toad, bitch. Right.

Unless you have an ulterior motive. Which is also. So what you're saying... What's the murder happened while we're on our way, though? So what you're saying is, if you're going to murder somebody in a cruise ship, hire somebody else to do it. Use an icicle. The perfect murder weapon.

Well, always have an alibi. I never kill someone you know. Like, there's so many things. Use higher muscle. Right? And don't get me started on the Idaho killings because that guy is just a moron. But like, all right, so where are we in a parlor party? Are we, someone been murdered? Oh, you think this is a murder mystery video? Yeah. I have my suspicions. I was really happy, like and excited. I know.

Is it? So, the scenario begins with the heroes. Are we still in Honolulu? You're still in San Francisco. Oh, shit. Arrived at Pier 42 on December 5th. You check your baggage. And each of you has a very personal experience

because the human experience is, yeah. And greeted by a dollar line steward and some of the SS presidential Coolidge officers at the gang plan. Passengers board by class with first class and special class boarding first in the front with Alford stewards and the first officer Hugo Schramm to welcome you aboard. Think of him as gopher on the love boat. Third class passengers are you don't care about them, but you see another group of people boarding near the end down near the end of the ship on the ship. a different gang right?

The poor people doing. So as... No, no, it's not supposed to be. Is it? I'll fuck with it later. No, they won't die. It's fine. We'll flood the space and...

We'll find out all of our electronics. Officially fine. All the electronics. You guys want pizza? It's cold pizza, bud. Cold pizza's pizza. Yeah, yeah. It should be.

So you all happen to be in line together, although you don't know each other. And in front of you, I'm good. Yeah? I'm good, thank you. You guys let meat? Just the way you said it made it very enticing.

Wanted to meet. Dave, would you like full pizza? I'm good right now, thank you. Ian? All right, I'm good. You already refused my advances? In front of you, up ahead of the four of you, you see an impeccably dressed man

with a southern bell by his side, but you can tell that he is just blind drunk. Get that mic on you, Dave. Which one? That one, that one, that one, I just thought off. Do you want mine?

No, no. No, right. That's a hang. Dave. Dave. Dave, Dave, Dave, the one right in front of you. Oh, this one? Okay.

That's probably getting picked up if you're, Okay. Check, baby, check, baby. Yeah, you don't want to touch that, though, because that's going to get picked. It's probably hearing you go, yeah, exactly. There we go, how's that, gee? Love it?

Right. Right. So, he turns around to the, like, the person in front of me and says, hey, how you doing, doing, doing? I'm Chad Peterson, and then he walks down the line to the next person. How are you doing, Chad Peterson? And then he comes to you, Ian. What's your country's name?

I got a look. Ian. His name's Ian. It is. Typical Chad. Dr. Max Bourne. All right, Dr. Max. Hi.

Doc. And he goes, Chad Peterson. Nice to meet you. I really, I don't know this whole world. Okay. And then in any,

in Richard? This guy fucking got it. And then he already got cold out in the internet. for being like the only guy who doesn't get it. What is he getting? Giuseppe. Giuseppe?

Giuseppe. Giovanni. It is Giovanni. Yeah. Gepetto. Giovanni. Fuck you looking at. Excuse me.

I was just saying hi. I'm just being friendly. It goes easy, easy. And then he shakes me on, hello, doll. Please meet you. I got to find out there's anything more stealing. And then you get, Adelaide, always a pleasure, always a pleasure.

And Jack, what's your character's name? Jack Dunford. Is Jack? Yeah. Says, hey, you look sharp, you look sharp. How are you doing? Nice day to be here. Nice day to be here.

I love it. I love it. I love it. And so, I was like, hey, everybody, I'm from New York. Let's make a party here. Let's have fun. And, like, you know, same guy, yeah. You can tell, like, all the stewards are kind of flying over him.

But, you know, one of the shorts comes down and takes him in hand. Like, oh, Mr. Pisa, you know, thanks so much. And kind of pulls them forward. And then you see this girl next to him. Like, she's a little irritated. She's a little pissed off. But she doesn't say anything. Also, up in front of you,

You see an Asian guy. You don't know, you know, Oriental, I guess, in those times, but Asian. In a very sharp Western suit and tied with a bowler hat and a small doctor's bag. And next to him is a man dressed not quite as nice. Kind of carrying some of his bags for him. It's his bag. It's nice. I just need someone in my hat glasses.

So, let's see how. So we're in line right now. There are a number of people around you. The people who stand out are obviously this Mr. Payson and this, you know, a gentleman, this Asian gentleman in a very nice suit with what appears, what any of you would guess at that point in time to be a servant, you know, a man's servant, a servant. And you're moving forward in line. Then you may choose to do anything wrong.

I want to know more about this. I want to cozy up to the Southern Bell. To the Southern Bell? Because I think she knows more than, she probably knows more about everybody. And how do you cozy up to the Southern Bell? Smooth talking. Yeah, smooth talking.

I'm just going to, I will, I will approach said Southern Bell as her partner, unclear who he is. It is busy shaking hands with everybody. I'll walk up to her. Start, like, casual girl to him. I'll get to it, bro. I know you will.

Start talking to her. So where are you from? Since nobody's asking you, sweetheart. And she goes, oh, hi. Virginia, Virginia Ridley. I'm from Georgia. The Ridley's. That's confusing.

Virginia from Georgia. What part of Georgia? Macon. Macon, Georgia. How'd you end up coming here with a New Yorker? Oh, I was just visiting a big city and met him, and he took me out to the opera. Are you got to play? We're all thinking it.

We were all thinking it. And you have to do it in a 30s accent. Do you? I don't know how to do it. Does you all fornicate? Huh? This is how it goes, though. This is the role play player.

This is the role play player. Ah, all right. I'm learning a lot here. Yeah. You're basically, you're in the movie. You're your character now. Yeah. You're the star in the movie.

Got it. I like it. You can do anything you want. You don't have to watch those survivors. You can do anything you want, and remember that whatever you do does have repercussions. You can be a 1930s seal. Sorry.

And what about you? Where are you from? Oh, me? I'm kind of from everywhere, nowhere, all at once. But, no, I'm from the Northeast, because I'm definitely not from Glasgow because I'm here under... You just did a southern accent.

That's delicious. Yeah, I know. I'll do that all the time, though. It's mostly because I'm talking to a Southern Bell like you. But, yeah, and as a capitalist, you probably would, like, adapt to somebody's style. Indeed. Is that strapping... The chat is that strapping?

The chat's great. They keep going. Is that strapping young man, your beau? He's here for my baggage and to help me out, you know, there can be such... riffraff around. She lives off. Oh, I do know. Oh, I am so sure you do. So what can you tell me about this?

How'd you end up out here in San Francisco? Oh, well, Chad just told me that he would take me on this cruise. He wants to see the sights and see the world. And he's taking me along. He's my fiancee. Oh, well, congratulations. Thank you. Yeah.

What are you going to do in Shanghai? Is that your final destiny? It is for now. She shows you her ring. It's, you know, you've gazed to be a very nice. Yeah, that's coming with me. Ultimately. Oh, it's very, so what does he do that he could afford such a ring and such a beautiful woman? Oh, his, is, thank you. No, his family, they have matchbooks. They created matches. They have match factories all over. I don't really know he doesn't keep me involved in his family business, but I know they are very big in the match business.

The match made heaven. Matchbook. Well, that is simply delightful. Do you happen to have any of his matchbooks with you? Oh, I don't. There's no reason for a good woman to have a matchbook. You never know. as I have my little cigarettes in my little extended,

yeah, it's the 30s. Right. What woman doesn't smoke? I feel like they're in all the advertisements. It's very classy. Up north, I'm sure. But no, I was just curious. Perhaps I'll ask him for a light later, I'm sure he's got some.

I'm very curious to know. to know more. Well, perhaps we'll see you in the dining room. Yeah, we'll. We shall stop later. Yes, delightful. Delightful. How are the comments?

Oh, the comments are great. That's the entertainment thing. Yeah, like, AJ, I'm secretly getting a barred from this role plane. Hi. You don't see day playing the Southern Bell. A raging quarter chub. I am such a lovely lady. I appreciate it.

Thank you. Allie Fan 199 is the man serving a cute twink. It's good. All right. So if nobody else is doing anything, then you all, you know, proceed to your cabins. As I said before, I'll...

And then Tom, a modern Titanic story, except we have the one and a half leg girl holding jack up to sing my heart will go on. By Celine's gone on the shippole. That's great way. Look, it depends on who you are if I'm bringing you up on that door, bitches. Because there is room, but...

Okay, so I'm going to put this out real quick. This is basically a rundown of... Or a quick graphic, if you guys want to look at it, of the first class decks. That's right, sizes. So... Robbing everybody.

That fucking ring? to the exact point I can replace it. I got this. Dr. Max Bourne, you are in room 216. All right. I'm right, I got over here.

Giovanni and Adeline, you are in 220 and 221. Nice. So they are across the hall. Well, I mean, I don't know if there's schematics over there, And Jack Duncom, you are in room 300.

Yeah, sure, but then... Do you watch Ships Creek? Because you don't always want to be right. It's such a great show. It's amazing. I'm sorry, what room are you? 300. All right.

Oh. That's another level up. Yeah. Look at you, Mr. Fancy journalist guy. So what, as you guys were going up for, gangplaining? You got to watch that mic though, Dave, because you're probably...

Oh, hitting it. The audience is probably in... As you're going to... Do you want a job as a presumption? As you're going to have the gangpland. I want everybody to take the two dice that I told you about. The two ten-sided dice,

one is going to have... is going to be in the tens, and one is going to be in the... single digits, and then roll those, and then compare those to your spot hidden skill. So it's 10 to the 16th. And compare that to your spot hidden. Ian, do you wanna roll it?

I'm rolling two dice. Yeah, you're rolling. Two of these ones. You're gonna roll in. And then. Okay. And then. And just, okay, letting you know what they are.

Yeah, well, actually just look on your character sheet. Look at your spot hidden and tell me if it's under. It's alphabetical, so you'll see it. Wait, so of these three numbers, what am I comparing? 25, 12. So what you got there is 86, so it is definitely not under your spot hidden. Okay. So what did you roll?

25, I rolled 26. You're adding them, right? You're adding them? Yep. And what's your spot hidden? 25, 12. It's not under, no. I got.

I'm over. I got 33, and my spot hidden is 25. It's 25? Okay, so nobody, all right, you're good. Okay, so each of you gets to your first last suite? There's one left. I don't know how I found it was so funny, but AJ, this game is the definition of 4D chess.

We're not doing that. It's not that hard, people. Wait, no, definitely. You're concerned I'm 11. It'll matter. Feel free to call on any comments you want, but I. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Because that's all about them. It is. Today, it's your day, people. It's your day. What? No, no, no, no. Is this funny stuff? But they can't hear Dee, though, right?

Dee can turn his mic on. All right. Dave's velvety. Oh, you don't have a mic? All right. Dave's velvety female character has me in love. I do that sometimes. There's one cold pizza piece left.

I want to liquid diet. I mean, fair, but... Do say... No, you do declare. I do declare. I do declare. Same thing. Synonymous.

Oh, wait, no, you're from, like, Queens or something, aren't it? I'm from Chicago, technically, but, yeah. Okay. I still don't know. Silly pizza. Yeah, it's a fucking casserole. Yeah, got to be in bread bowl. I've never had, like, real eats in Chicago.

Deep dish? Yeah. It's fucking garbage. I mean, it's basically, like, if you've ever been to Panera bread and gotten tomato soup in a bread bowl, I've thrown some cheese on it. It's a fucking cassero. Sitting on a fucking dice over here.

Sitting on a D4. There it is. There's another one. All right. Jack, as you're checking into your room, room 300, right? Mm-hmm. Something else is going to happen.

Bated breath, buddy. I know. Something terrible is about that. I mean, you're on a different deck. That's better for my murder. If I'm going to commit a, like, don't do it. Don't do your name.

On the veranda. Can't do it from the neighbor? When do you call it a veranda versus... The foyer. The foyer would be, like, inside of a apartment. Yeah, that's like, you first walk in. Yeah. A veranda versus a balcony.

When do you call it a veranda and when do you call it a balcony? When you're in Europe. When you're in Europe. Is that what is? Okay. A verand is a European way of saying balcony. It could also be like a deck. That reminds me of three amigos.

We can take a walk. You can kiss me on the veranda. Well, it should be fine. Okay. Jack, as you're, like, opening up your sweet door next to you, you see a finely dressed, you're an international correspondent, correct? So you see a finely dressed man who, you know, has sort of a swarthy look. It looks like Latin, you know, Spanish, Latin American, you're not quite sure, but checking

very finely dressed checking in next to you. And each of you is checking in two. Do you, are you? And then, yeah, and so you encounter him as you're opening your door. He's opening his too. Sorry, just love Johnny Fibb's comment. This game takes three weeks to play. Pretty much.

Yes, absolutely. Adeline? At a line. At a line. You're out of line here. You're out of line. That's how you can remember it. You see Virginia, the female room.

Yes. She's checking into the room next to you. And then a sweet down is the gentleman, Chad, her beau, her fiancé, checking in. Is Chad? He's probably in the finance. Is that the same room? No, they're still only engaged. She is a delightful Southern bell. back in those

so the fiance would be next to me the fiance yeah so so each of you have checked in like not checked into like your room you're getting settled and then as the evening progresses

or as the day progresses if you want to explore the ship feel free I'm going to go and hang out at the bar and have a drink okay I'm coming Say again?

I'm definitely going to the bar. Okay. Jack, could you describe like the... You go where I go. Yeah, I'm wearing a... Like a checkered collared shirt with a tie and slacks. Okay.

And Adeline? Proper for day. However, I still have my 1930s trench coat on. But a... just below the knee dress with some wait, no, I think that's a real word, kitten heel pumps.

I'm not very good at the fashion stuff. And a fucking hat, because I really want... In 1930s fashion, right? That's what we're doing? Yeah. A hat. You have to wear a hat. Yes, absolutely.

And so you're wearing, like, pants with suspenders and they're pulled up to your ankles. Right. We're in daytime. A little picky blinders action. Yeah. Right. We're on the daytime, right?

This is in nighttime because I'd wear a formal suit at night with like a fedora. But during the day, I'm still wearing a fedora, basically. But just with not a tie maybe or something? Or no jacket with just to suspend this. Now, do you go to the bar with her? Yeah, he goes wherever. I follow him this out of line anywhere. She's out of line.

She's out of line. Yeah, it does. And Dr. Born. Dr. Max. Yeah. So I'd normally be wearing, I guess, a lab coat or something. But it's not, it's not that moment of it.

I'm wearing, I don't know, a suit and tie, probably. Now, what's your job again? Scientists. What kind of scientists are you? Science. The biology. Biology. Science and science.

What exactly are you? a doctor-oh. Doctor. Doctor. Doctor. Doctor. Dr. Pepper.

Dr. And what do you do after you check and, you know, get settled in your room? I just, I'm hanging out there. I'm working on studies. Nice. Nice. Working on science. Exactly.

Science in the shit out of something. So the three of you are some of the first people to the bar because you're Alkees. And. You know. How else am I going to find targets? Life imitating hard. And Jack is definitely trying to hide his Irish heritage, but he's having a hard time doing it.

No racial comments on the screen, but... So the three of you are at the bar at the St. and I'm sort of ordering your drinks. You notice each other, obviously. And I'm assuming that you're goonish. I think so. And as a son Fatal, you're Fatalish. Duh.

And Jack, I mean, he's an international correspondent in the 20th, so he's a hard drinker. I mean, he's international correspondent at any point in time. He's a hard drinker. Yeah, got to be. But you guys, you are the only three at the, there are other people in the bar area, but you three are the only three at the bar. You're right. So, please continue.

Jack? So, I'm the bartender, Manny. And, you know, hey, Hey, Bob, what do you want to drink? I'm going to ask for an old-fashioned. It's not that old these days. It's just a fashion. Classic never dies.

This is when he starts pointing you're all-fashioned. You. Gin. Tonic, put light on the tonic. We're getting drink. I'll just have a whiskey. A little whiskey. If that's okay with that.

No, no, no. It's fine. Okay. I've got it. See, not hurt. He starts working on your drinks. You guys are at the bar. And then.

Well, I'm going to, I mean, Mr. Correspondent over here, clearly not interested in his people. So where are you from? New York. What part? Brooklyn. Oh, nice. I believe my associate over here.

Conciliary over here, big guy. Where do you find him? Meat packing plant? Opposite side of town, Queens. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm from Queens. What part of Brooklyn are you from? The southern part. Close by. Yeah. That's where I grew up. Got any family still there?

No. As they do. What brings you here? Head into this fair in Shanghai, the newspaper wants me to cover something. What newspaper do you? Right. Daily Gazette. Daily Gazette.

What are you covering at the Shanghai? Some Oriental archaeology thing that they sent me out here. It's not really my beat, but hey, you know, it's money. Who is that? Is that one of the Hearst magazine? What is that? Couldn't tell you, sweetheart. The checks go to the bank.

That's about all I can say. Yes, I guess. We're also heading to Shanghai, so we may as well become, we may as well get to know each other because we're going to be on this ship up. Just keep your hands to yourself. Yeah?

I wasn't getting sweet on your misses. All right. So you guys? So do you stand there for the night? Sure. Yeah, okay. And you guys like drink, you know, bullshit, whatever, you know, dine, room service, springs, you stuff, you retire to your rooms.

So what I'd like everybody to do is, again, roll those two dice for me, and compare that to your lesson, please. The tens and the singles. Tens in the singles, right? Yep, yeah. We're we on? These two? Yep.

Okay, so I rolled a 93 and my listen is 75. Okay. Listen? I know what I rolled. I rolled... Just add the two. Yeah, but how? 85.

Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't know. It's the tens and the singles. Three. All right. That's a D-10. What are you doing?

I know, but I can't find my percentage guy either. Here, what are you listening? You didn't get it. You wanted to be lower or lower? Lower. All right. Okay, mine's lower. Okay.

I've still got a 3. I rolled a 14 and my listen is 20. Okay. Nice. Anybody else get it? Seventy-free. Okay. You, being hired muscle, you hear the faint sound of the scream and you immediately think you're in floor.

Okay. So I'm running towards the screen. So you guys are all in your rooms right now. It's like. So across the hall, I hear a scream. Well, you hear a scream. I don't know where it's going to come. Correct.

Okay. What do you do? I go out into the hallway. Yeah. Trying to hear where it's coming from. You don't hear it now. I knock on the door of Adeline to make sure if she's okay. You're a knocker in doing.

I'm knocking on the door to make sure she's there and okay. I shall open the door and assure you that all is well, all is well over here. However, I did hear something You didn't. Yeah, well, fuck. You didn't hear shit. I heard a knock at my door. Yeah.

Just me. Yeah. You're high muscle. Yeah. What's the trouble? I heard something, and I wanted to make sure that you were okay. Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you, sir.

I shall retire. Okay. I shall retire. So you guys all ready, right? You guys all know that breakfast is going, right? So who is going to breakfast and who is having it served in the room? I'm too drunk to even wake up for breakfast. God damn, I'm a journalist.

It's a cliche, but it works. Yeah, that's fair. Ian, could you open up the humid door there? This? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

When? So you... First... Do the Monachristos? Let's do Monachristos. The first box down. Okay. No, no, no, no.

You're saying this box? Next one down. Okay. There you go. There you go. We're going to do Monarchistos. Nice. Got a nice little selection in there.

Thank you, sir. You can help yourself the one as well. Next. Next one. I'm going to breakfast because I am... This is like my whole job. Figuring up. Who people watch,

so I know who I can steal from. I'm such a good person. Do you go to breakfast or staying in a room? I'll go to breakfast. Okay. That's right. Yeah. So you're in a burgle?

216. 216 and you guys in rooms? 2 something and 2.30, I think in 231. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So as you guys are coming back from breakfasts, do you guys,

I don't know how long it's going to go. Do you guys mind if I had out like 10, like 410? Cool. You roll. You grab that mic. You roll. All right. So, no, you must stay for the three weeks that it takes this game.

I'll be the upgrade. All right, cool. Okay. So all three of you, because of where your rooms are located, as you come back, you see a small crowd gathered in front of the room that is two doors down from yours. It's the room you saw Chad going to. You don't know what the room is, but you see a small crowd gather. You see the woman, you recognize her as Virginia, like fretting at the door.

I shall go to my new friend. Virginia, what's the trouble? That's all the kerfuffle. I don't know if that's a word that they would use. Chad, I can't find Chad, he's, Chad is gone. And there's another like crew member there who just kind of looks sort of like white as a sheet right now.

Well, I'm sure he's got to be somewhere, I mean, this is a ship. He can't have gone far. Why don't we ask this fine, steward-looking gentleman. Good sir. This, this lovely young woman seems to have misplaced her bow. I ask of the dude standing there. He said, I heard a noise.

I heard a noise. And so I went into... His anniversary edition? I heard a noise in here, and the door was unlocked, and I tried to go in. So, is there something blocking the door? So I,

so I want you guys to, I'll roll, or the three of you, to, and you hear this conversation. Roll your dice again and check it against your psychology. No, I doubt.

Psychicum. Off the regular, right? Yeah. Okay, I'm over. You're over? Okay. You, Adeline, can roll, Adeline, can roll a, I know, I'm horrible. I'm horrible.

What's your charm? My charm, which I get an extra for, is 60. Okay. And I get an extra dice. Okay. So go ahead and roll again, but add somebody else's. 10's die to it.

I need it. And compared it against your charm. Fucking 70 again. I'm throwing your dice out the window. Double zeros. So yeah, I definitely. 20. So.

Oh, I made that. You made that? So you sweet talk them up a little bit. And he says, okay, It was unlocked. Like I, I, I was, I figured he's out for drinks. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I went in there, and there was nothing

about cockroaches in there. Interesting. Well, let me, uh, tend to his fiancee, because we certainly wouldn't want her seeing that. And, um, why don't I send my, uh, why don't I send my hired man in, um, um, um, why don't I send my hired man in to assist and check the scene out. He said, I don't think we should. I think we should lock it up. Well, I seem to have befriended his fiance.

She's probably going to want to know what happened to him. Okay, you can run, you can roll another charm, and you, in this sense, can roll an intimidate if you want to get him to do it. And you get a bonus start with your intimidate. Okay. That's an ashtray. 60, I know. God, do the worst.

62, but I also have a 20. So, two tens and a single. Yeah. They're both. That's what I roll? Yeah. Yeah. So, it's all right.

I keep doing that. And you see this going on right now. You just heard him say this. Okay. So you can do whatever you want. Okay. Now, you're, you know, obviously, an eight. head right yeah so you you find yourself very curious about the situation there's two

tens there's nothing your biology too because I can take the lowest of the two percentages so yeah I made that okay I got a 20 something so I got a 60 the lowest was a 60 I just rolled 60 you can roll an additional when you're into the other one that's in there because you have the scary No, the other one. You can just roll that one again. Okay. And see if you get lower.

No, that's 90. Okay. But you scored yours, right? So charm them into letting you into the room. Well, you know, we do have his fiancée over here, and she is just beside herself with wanting to know what's happening. Is there somebody who knows anything about science, or like why this might have happened?

That's me. Oh. Well, good sir. Would you mind accompanying my man over here? Because I feel like we can get to the bottom of this. All right. And I can tend to Virginia. Sounds good.

Do you guys want to make introductions at all at this point in time? If you do, that's fine. If not, that's okay, too. I'm good with it. I trust my muscle. Yes. Keep that man in line. I'm going to go see if I can steal me a dime.

Okay, and he goes, the guy Albert, he's like, okay, okay, I'll let you and just, please, like, I don't know, like, we shouldn't have cockroaches on this shit. This is disgusting. It's nasty, I don't understand. Have you been nothing like that? Okay, inside the cabin, you see clothes lying in a chair. Nothing looks out of place. It all looks. Oh, no, I'm good. Thanks. you see a desk in the area at this time a captain and a storage shop too

oh what's going on here what's happening fuck the two of you over just me and him yeah we're in the room yeah checking out the scene I just want you to keep an eye on that guy

and see if there's anything worth stealing well this guy's fucking passed out and his goddamn drink his ass up to the table last night is that what's happening duh Okay, so. At the same time, we guys are doing this, like, there's a guy outside, a very well-dressed man.

It was like, what's going on? I demand answers. Why are there so many bugs out here? What is going on? Everybody's kind of ignoring him, except the staff is trying to placate him. So, like I said, in this room, you see the chair with clothes on it. You see a desk. You see the bed.

which is, you know, made. You're not quite sure what's going to. Is there anything you want to look at? Come on, science guy. What are you looking at? What are you looking at? I'm actually checking something out. Oh, for fuck's sake.

We're in a room. You're in a room. There's coproaches everywhere. There's a bed. There's a desk. And there's what else? He's closed. And a bunch of roaches.

And a bunch of roaches. I think fucking bio nerd over there would be, you know, more than sexting. Sorry. They didn't have sexting back then. Sorry. They had the telegraph. And I feel like the telegraph operator. Yeah, when did that start?

Phonograph? Tech. Well, no, I mean, there were phones. The 30s, yeah, there were phones. On the desk. They did that complete 1800s. Yeah. So, I'm still to call an operator, though.

That's like to sick lot of that. Does it was an 800 number back then? No. 900 numbers. 900. This guy. Whatever the fuck he's doing. Come on, guys.

What am I supposed to do? I don't know. No, no, it's fine. Oh, okay. You have to roll. Sorry. There's a bunch of the wages. So,

so. There's pizza and someone's underwent. On the desk, you guys, notice, like, a piece of paper and, you know, and some writing utensils. But that's, well, you see the stack of, like, ship's stationary, and then writing utensils, and then a single piece of paper set, a single piece of stationary set aside. That's us? Yeah.

Me and him? Still in the room. There's a single piece of stationary. Well, this guy's fine. That guy's the worst. I literally have no idea what I was supposed to do. Sorry, I really don't know. I don't, but I feel like we're supposed to improvise.

Okay. That, the scenario, the picture that you're in the room. Okay. We missed it, but there was a pile of clothes with some roaches. Okay, yeah, no, I got that. There's a single piece of stationary. Okay. That was ripped off on the desk, I believe.

And me and you were in the room, and she's with the bell. Okay, right? Yeah. Oh, my girl. I want that way. And we're supposed to say what we see. Yeah. What do you want to do?

Like, you see the chair with clothes. You see the desk with a stationery and a single piece of paper. Like, sitting, there's some writing on that paper. And you see, like, everything else seems to be in place. Like, the room is not in. I would investigate what is on the piece of paper that is single ripped off. Okay. On that paper, you see.

A note. Okay. And the note says, my life has been a lie, built on my father's money. Despite my outward seeming, I am a hollow millionaire without money. I know myself inadequate to make what I wanted of my life. Farewell world, I go to a better place.

Chad. Chad jumped off the boat, right? Such a Chad move, too. It wasn't goddamn finance. Brandon. So each of you roll a, just roll an intelligence roll. Roll the two dice for your intelligence against your intelligence. All of us or?

Each of you, yep. Do you still the same ones? Well, actually the three of you. Yeah. Single and a double. Seventy-two. Yeah. Hi, everyone.

Hey, what's going? Hey. How are you? What am I asking this to? Your intelligence. Okay. The characteristics are up top. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Intelligence is it? Yeah. So mine's under then. If it's under? Yeah. It's under your intelligence? Yeah.

Okay. Okay. So mine's under. All are you under? So for all of you, so you pick up the note and you read it out loud. And for all of you, you're like, this, does not at all sound like the guy

that we met coming up the gang plan. I don't know. It's recently engaged. He seemed like a happy dude. Yeah, he's recently engaged. Right? So you all just sort of

have that feeling that something is off about this. No. She's like, oh, what the fuck. So, yeah. No, she definitely wants to play this game because she wants to do the whole 19, 20,

So given this, there's, you know, there's still, like, the crew members, there's, there's, there's, Virginia's outside. Oh, so I've come into the room? That's fine. Only the three of you are in the room right now. Okay. The crew is trying to hold people back. My dear Virginia. A, there is a Santa Claus and also, B, a different movie. But I'm going to go and find.

out what's going on and I will I shall report back to you my girl because we're buddies now. What is? Because I have to, because she and I were hanging out. Sure, but they, like what do you tell her what's going on because she just doesn't

know where chat is? Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to go find out what's going on in the room because my, my man is in there and I'm going to go see what's going on and I'll come back to you with any news. I don't, I think that it's best if you stay out here where the crew can tend to you. She's like, oh my, I, I, uh. Do you want to come set?

What, baby? Or is that a cool? I have one, or I have one over there. Okay. Does anybody else want to say, anyone else? Someone won the night with a comment. It was Jack's clean to consciousness. Someone what?

It says Jack is barely clinging to consciousness. It's been a long day. I've been up since 7 in the morning, but I still got hours in it. That's wild. So she's totally unaware right now of anything that's going on. She's unaware of the suicide note. She's unaware of... Was it a suicide note?

Yeah, it was the same of him. Yeah. See, even he got that. Even science guy over there. Okay. Nerd. Very weird. So what do you say to her?

Where's Chad? Where's my dearest Chad? But we're going to figure out where he went. He's got to be somewhere. Where could he be on this boat? Oh, it's a big ship, sweetheart. We'll find him. Don't you worry your pretty little head. Why don't you go back onto your room? And I will come and see to you in a bit. So there's crew gathered. Each of you, the three of you, roll again. roll your dice again

and compare it to your listen please what is it uh two six roll the ice good and compare them to your listen 40 yeah I made that okay I'm down

I'm under under good yeah wait we're comparing the under is good right you always gonna be under uh just the two so you roll these two dice

so you're at 26 so yeah I'm below compared to your lesson okay so all three of you as you're there and you see the ship's crew, you hear them like the ship's crew, Ashley, talking about the ship's chief purser, master Dungas,

who hasn't been seen. He hasn't been, they're like, oh, you know, he hasn't been seen since last evening since he was doing us rounds. Wait, the ship's crewman? Yeah, the ships, yeah, The ship's purser.

Is not the guy with the money? I just like the guy or the woman who rose. Is Jack the bald guy? He always looks smashed. Eyes, baby. It's TBIs. I just have it all on TBIs. No, but yes.

The alcohol has nothing to do with it as just TBIs. That's half true. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not Jack, but also yes. TB. Yeah. Bring it in.

Bring it in. Well. I'll wear a foot if I need to grab something. They're cozy. It's heavy on the head. I think it is. Something's a foot. There it is.

I use that one. I know, I know. Not in control, but it's there. Best foot forward. One step ahead. Putting a foot down. Get a leg up. One step ahead.

Got them for days. Got them for days. Okay, so... So now we have two missing persons. So that's what you guys... That's what you guys hear. Jack, you hear murmurs in the hallway now. You hear like a crowd gallery.

And people talk. Wake the fuck up, dude. God, why am I always drinking... It's about 11.30. I'm not as nimble as thought. I kind of like, look at it, get a... Like, kind of push into... push-up position in the bed and I'm like, oh, the fuck is going on out there.

Okay. And I go, shut the fuck up. And lay back down to bed. Okay. So curious. They don't shut the fuck up. They keep talking. Like, people don't hear you.

So I roll out of bed in my boxer shorts with little red hearts on them. Yeah. They go open the door. Like, who the fuck is talking? And you see, like, kind of, like, people, like, just in a little group, like, whispering. and they stop and they look at you and they look down at your shorts they look back out at you and then they keep talking and you hear like the mention about

oh suicide it's so bad poor man and I say you're interrupting my peace and quiet repose can't a man sleep in the morning you hear talking about all this dark shit in the hallway so a man in it like a dappercy turns to you and he goes there's been a suicide have you had no heart no I just woke up I don't have any hard.

I have a man threw himself overboard. That's his problem. They gasped and they start talking amongst themselves again. I go back to my state room, as it were, and pull a cigar out of my suitcase and light it up.

Just as you start to close your door, you see Miles Hardaway, who you know from the, is a well-known reporter from the San Francisco Chronicle and he's like running down the hallway. I say, hey you, you son of a bitch, where are you going? Don't I know you? Of course you know me.

I'm Miles Hardway. The San Francisco Chronicle. Yeah, I remember you from Europe. He says, we have a real life Sherlock Holmes mystery on our hands here. A mystery is a foot, eh? Who are you? Jack Dunford. Daily Gazette.

Daily Gazette. second-rate publication. But we always get the story, don't we? Well, you're missing out. He runs off. So I follow along with the milieu, as it were, and try to find out what's being conversated about it. No, I'm in my box for smoking a cigar.

With the hearts. Nobody will. talk to you. Everybody keeps on looking at your shorts. I just barge me in the middle of the crowd. Has anyone here been murdered? No, it's a suicide, somebody says. No, murdered, no. Suicide, that's all? So someone pulled a Brody off the side of the ship last night?

It's a big deal. So heartless. Hey, anyone want to give a statement around here? Yes. You should dress like a gentleman. I am a gentleman. I'm a gentleman in boxer shorts. So as you guys are outside, you see further down the hall,

a larger crowd gathered all around room. You guys see like these... You guys see these women like kind of congregate around Virginia and like start coddling her. Not in a bad way, but you know, like, take your honor to that. Oh, dear, like it'll be okay.

It'll be okay. bitch don't listen Bitches be crazy The really impeccably Just dressed gentlemen That you guys saw earlier Who was like What's going on here?

Blah blah blah You know You may have Some of you may have Recognized him For newspapers As a captain In an industry

You know Rockefeller or an Astor He's like Something must be done stomping around And meanwhile These women are trying to comfort Virginia.

I'm going to go to that rich guy. I'm going to say, what do you got to say about this situation? Something's got to be done, I tell you. Like what? Like what? People need to stop throwing themselves off the side of ships. Did you know him? I didn't know him, but he deserves to... This is a travesty.

I paid $49. Yeah, yeah, and he interrupted your whole trip. He interrupted your transatlantic vacation. It's a travesty, I tell you. The ship's crew must be done. And all these roaches everywhere. What are these roaches for? You expect me to eat this.

The people or the insects? Both. But don't you see these roaches? You see little roaches crawling out of the room. I'm looking around at the people and then out of the roaches. And I go in and check out the room. Okay. Welcome to the party.

You noticed them because, you know, you had talked to them briefly at the bar. They're outside actually. With, did you guys take the- No, we're still in the room? Oh, you're still in the room? I'll walk in there and say, well, what are you got? Your junior detective set here?

What are you doing? You looking at this suicide here? I'm sorry, some of us woke up at a reasonable hour this morning and got rest. I think this is a reasonable hour. And Jack, you notice the same thing. There's clothes on the chair, like folded nicely. The bed is made.

The stationary, you see the separate piece. And there are cockroaches all over the room. So is there like a balcony or something I can go and look at? Like, there's no veranda. A veranda. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody was kissed on the veranda. They were only kissed on the licks.

So this guy must have thrown himself off somewhere else. Or out a window. So I'll go shuffle around the clothes and see you with a source of the cockroach. Now, you haven't looked at the note yet. No, I don't know anything about it, right? So you don't find anything unusual in the clothes, but they are, like, folded up. And it's unusual to you. So these clothes are folded up as if somebody were going to bed, but the bed is made.

Hmm. So I'll ask the group, does anyone know where this guy threw himself off the side? Nobody's seen it. We didn't know he threw himself. You just saw the suicide notes? You just saw a note, but you don't got a body. There's no body and there's no signs of a struggle. Says my hired goon.

That's what I pay him for. I ask him if I finally take a look at the note. All right, so I take a look at the note, give it a read, and do I notice anything? Okay. Kind of suss. Again, you can, you know, he basically claims that he committed suicide, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah, and well, he seems to be mighty depressed,

but I happen to know that he just got engaged. His fiancé is out there. I told her to go back to her room. She's hot, too. She is. But be careful, because now that her fiancé is out of the way, perhaps that was a motive. But I don't know where he's off to.

So roll your dice and then compare it to your intelligence? I got it 98. What are your bonuses for your skills? I have nimble and smooth talker. Okay. So you don't notice anything suss about the note. So I look at these folks and I say, so what we got here is a dandy claims he committed.

suicide, hence slept in the bed, leaves his clothes folded up. Maybe he's just down in the engine room shoveling coal for all we know. So. I'm explaining, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, that's all right. No, that's all right. Yeah, no, that's right.

Maybe he's shoveling coal. So, but you guys felt something that was off about the note. Oh, certainly. Oh, Jack. Jack, right, from the bar. So. From the Daily Gazette. Well, also from the, primarily from the bar, from the cellia.

Yeah, that's your opinion, but yeah, you're right. You're not wrong. Whether the bars here are in Manhattan, let's be real, or Brooklyn. I tend to disagree with you. I think something is very much a mess. I don't think he wrote this note. Let's go up to the top deck and look around and see if we can identify any witnesses who actually saw him jump. Okay. All right. through the deck so we're coming with you pal

when you guys leave the room Virginia's out there she's like devastated and she's like what's going on what's happening where is my dearest Chad? Virginia your dearest Chad pulled a brodie off the side of the shit let the ladies handle this

I'll meet you up on the deck I'm going to go up top and look around ask some questions I'll take her advice and go put some pants on it's going to be chilly out there. And you three?

Well, I'm going to placate Miss Virginia. You two guys, why don't you join him? I'll join you shortly. She says, what happened? What happened to my dear Chad? Where is he? We're not super sure. We just know he's not in there, but don't you. We're going to get to the bottom of this. We've got

you don't worry your pretty little head. He's got to be somewhere on this ship. But why are there so many cockroaches? Why was his room open? You know, San Francisco's had a rough time of it lately. I'm sure they came on while we were in the port, and they just happened to get up on into his room. I don't know, why don't we ask the biologist?

Yeah, it seems very suspicious. She says, is there anything in there? is he's not in there. Some of his clothes, honey, you wouldn't happen to know what he might have been wearing. When did you last see him last night? Well, I saw him a disaster. We were tired after dinner.

You saw him after you were tired. I'm sure you did. I don't know what you're talking about. Implication. Honey, ain't no shame in it. Once you start hanging out with us, us Northerners, you'll understand. But now it's...

Go ahead, keep going. This is good. But don't you worry. So he was wearing his evening clothes, his dinner clothes last night, last you saw him. What was that exactly? Well, it was... Remember? Yeah, she describes it as exactly what you saw him in church.

All right, so he seems to have changed into something else. He might have gone out. There appears to be somebody missing from the crew. as well. I'm sure they're all together having a cigar somewhere that that gentleman's not supposed to be. Something like

that. Well, he'll turn up. So, for the purpose of the game and moving things forward, do you guys take the note, show her the note, carry the note? God no. So, Jack, you change, you go upstairs, I imagine these guys do.

You ask around, you ask different people. Yeah, yeah. Everybody asks, nobody knows anything. But it's all the scuttleback. The ship has a paper every day about going is on. On the ship. Yeah, no career move. And you guys are careful head out?

No, you're good, buddy. All right, cool, man. Thanks for having me, guys. Ian, we love you. I appreciate it. I love you. No, we love you. Yeah.

Yeah. Steps into the role of scientist. That's right. Tell Christy said... Reyes has experience like RPGs, right? Because I certainly do that. But I think Maria does, right?

No, she doesn't. But... No. Yeah. Really? No. All right. Well, I'm going to put this down

to anybody to get... I wanted this to get loud. Dude, good meeting you. Yeah, you too, man. Good seeing you. Brata. Yeah, scientists. I'll see you.

Sorry. Yeah, great seeing you. Great seeing you. All right, I would like at another point, like updates on all the trips you went on and all that stuff. So yeah, we'll do that. All right, man, good seeing you, bro. Good seeing you, man. Yeah, it's been a lot.

Come on in, girl. Hello, hello. Hi. Yeah, I'm massive. I don't know. I've never seen you brother. So I don't know what's happening. It's the 1930s.

The 1930s, we're on. Absolutely. And he's a biologist, that's what he said. Yeah, and tell me, sorry that we can, hook up when I was in Kansas. We tried and hook up when I was in Kansas. You're not. Actually, it's not his name. Like, we just like, I'm scienceing. I'm science and like, that's it. He doesn't hang out of anybody else. Actually, it's not his, like, it's not I got to have family. Actually, it's not his, like, it's not on him.

Like, we just couldn't make the schedule work because of how we were traveling. Because we were traveling between Wichita and Missouri, like Springfield, Missouri. He's truly middle of hell. Yeah, no, I know where he's at. No, I know where he's at. Like, we're past Cota, we just couldn't make the time. So it's on,

it's on us. Yeah. But, as I'm saying, the chances are, he'd be like, I got to be able to family right now. No, I'm just here as, like, wealthy.

All right, man, good see you guys. All right, good see you guys. All right. Lady of Mystery. Ship paper, all the scutble butt. He's a investigative, international journalist, who's kind of an asshole and apparently I can drink onto the table.

Okay, and in his boxer grease or something? I was. Now I'm dressed. Now you're going to. Finally. Now I'm proper. So maybe what we're going to do is I'm going to share with you.

Just let her take Ian's scientist. I am, but I got to give it to her. She didn't have it. Oh, oh. So it is Dr. Max Warren. But you can change the name. Maxine.

There you go. From the rafters. Improvised. From the rafters. Oh, there's another mic over here. Maxine. He was wearing it, but he wasn't saying anything into it, so he's, you're fine. He wasn't sciencing.

He was not science. He was not doing science. Hiologizing. Nice. It wasn't science in the shit out of nothing. Okay. Oh, we just found a suicide note that we all think is fake of a dude who married. may not have turned into a pile of cockroaches.

I'm not convinced. He's not convinced because he was super drunk and then just woke up and is grumpy. But somebody gave this man some coffee, first of all. I'm up questioning people on the deck. All right. My diligent questions. My probing questions. Anyone see somebody die up here?

So we found a suicide note, but I think it's suspect because I was speaking to his feet. recent fiancée last night gave her a hell of a diamond. Probably going to steal that. And she's a Southern Belle, so she's not so right. And I'm just catching her up. And you guys

also, all four of you met him boarding the ship. And he seemed very, very friendly and very like, bon vivant. Chad. Okay. Chad. And

And so the three of you, when you went into the room and read this suicide note, it did not appear to the three of you that it matched with his personnel. Now, his fiancé, they have separate suites. His fiancé is outside of the room losing her shit because she doesn't know where he's. he is. He's disappeared. Yeah, yeah. So, so you were in the group, you were in the group when one of the ship's crew was saying that he heard a noise inside the room, he went and the door was then locked, and he opened the door and the room was full of cockroaches.

And, and then she, like, sweet-taught him because that's how she rolls. and she sweet talked to him and he admitted that he actually broke into the room and that he picked the lock and then when he got in the room like he panicked it was full of cockroaches and this guy was missing all right so check your

email I just sent your character sheet that is not your picture obviously and Dr. Max is Maxx is Maxine but you that's who you are and those yeah there you go let's jump into it

because you're a modern movie as we play the cockroaches they were if anybody that would have been efficient there are 20 different kinds

my goodness we've already done that cop order all right so what's going on so so good fucking question So, Dr. Maxine, if you're looking at what type of cockroaches they are, a biologist would look at that. There's, what is that?

Entomology. Oh, no, entomology's words. No, no. It's bugs. Intimology bugs? Yeah. It's very close to them. I'm pretty sure entomology is bugs. Yeah, with the one with the other word.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the one that's like the, the. Origin of words. Etymology. Etymology. Etymology. Ah, okay.

So what's the bugs one? Entomology. Entomology. Yep, you're right. You notice that the lecuguraches, the cockroaches are one of the four types. They're, you know, in several countries, spread across Europe, Spain, Portugal, and France, primarily. For the tax of Cockhart-Tos.

Okay. By the way, the ship left out of San Francisco, we haven't yet made it to Hawaii, and then would be on our way to Shanghai. Okay. So nowhere near Yerald. And you're on your way to Shanghai because there is a opening of a museum

of some like scroll, some ancient scrolls, and a toad that. So what's up? So you're upstairs. You're up on the deck. Huh? Yeah. So you're up on the deck asking questions.

And these two are with you right now. So you're, I'll actually, I'll give you the room. So you can decide if you go up to the deck to ask questions of the guests, if they know anything about this dude, Chad, who is sort of a bon vivant, very wealthy, but also drunk when you met him in line. And he had a fiancé with him who was a bit more reserved. She's my girl. We type.

And you have not met Jack yet yet. You have not met Jack yet. You have met, you've been in the room with Adeline and Giovanni. Giovanni. And you don't really know who they are, though, because you haven't. really spoken much with them. Just the three of you went into

the la room. Um... It's not a little room. So, yeah, so what happened basically was you heard a scream outside your room. You went out

and there was a crowd gathered from a room. The, the crew member who was standing out there at the time said that he heard a noise inside the room. He went, the door was unlocked, he went inside,

and that's all he knew, and then she sort of like swaggered up to him and worked her magic, and he admitted that he had actually tried to break into the room and he went in, and the clothes were folded on the chair, the bed was made, And there was, and that was it. The three of you went into the room.

There was stationary on the desk. And then a note. And the note said, the note said, my life has been a lie built on my father's money. Despite my outward seeming, I am a hollow millionaire without money. I know myself inadequate to make what I wanted of my life.

Farewell world. I go to a better place. but the three of you upon looking at this note thought this does not seem like the guy that we met in line while we were boarding the ship because he was very happy. Sure. Can I also like provide information?

You do you. Dr. Maxine. Okay. So now I'm either going up to the deck or I'm... Sure. I'll give you that option of either going up to the deck or staying with Adeline. So they went up to the deck to question people.

They're asking people about if they saw the gentleman that they can describe. Because you've seen this guy in line. You met him. He introduced himself to you. But you can either decide if you go with them or stay with Adelaan, the femme fatale. I'm up to the deck. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. I'm going up to the deck. So you three are up asking people questions. And like what are you asking about? I'm just going around in a corner of people and be like, hey, have you seen a jumper? You see a jumper last night? Everybody looks at you kind of appalled. No, no, no, no.

No jumpers, huh? But you go up to another group and you see if they're reading something. And it is the paper that the ship actually puts out each day for their events. That's a rag. And I reach up and grab it around their hands. Give me that. You look at the paper and you, you look at the paper, and you, You notice, oh, the other thing was that people outside the room were also talking about a crew member who went missing the night before.

In the paper that you read, it's like the day's activities, you know, the shuffle board. The backgammon. Yeah, yeah. The backgammon. You know, but they're the prominent guests that are on board at the time. There's no mention of either Chad nor the missing, the quote unquote missing crewman. A cover up. And I give him back the paper, and I start heading towards wherever the deck of the ship is,

wherever the crew is. And I, so do you just jump in? Yeah. So you, yeah. Oh, sorry, I was just saying the person is the one who's missing, and he is in charge of the financial matters on board. Yes. I didn't know about it.

Yes. Not all of this one in the Navy. Of course, sir. And I am with the lady. And Gianna, you're staying with her? Okay. Just over here, checking out. Over here, someone with a mild French accent on the deck.

May we, of course. There's people from all over. No. No. Oh, that's a big disaster. Any other. What have you gotten us in to? Any other.

Oh, dear God. And I start talking to this, to this Frenchman about what he brought on board with him. The Frenchman brought to... Wine? Wine. Vina. No, not Vina. That's Italian.

Venn. Le Vé. Le Vé. Um, yeah, nothing. My clothes. Um, so you go to the ship's, uh, you know, the crew area and, and you, you run into the ship's chapel. Chaps. I say, hey, buddy.

I saw the, uh, shit paper today. And, uh, there's no mention of, uh, you know, the whole, uh, you know, the whole, uh, you know, what have you of last night, nor the guy who went missing the day before. So what's up? You're just trying to gloss over all that? There's not even like a religious, you know, a thing, you know, a memorial for those folks. Oh, my son. We were having the memorial on Monday.

Do you do a burial at sea that I didn't know about? Well, there will be a memorial. It's just we don't like to spread panic amongst. Well, they're already panicked. Have you seen all the people down on the deck? They're freaking the hell out. Yes, but to say anything, we don't know what happened to him. So you're telling me that you lost one person over the side and there's no sign to him,

and then there's a crew member that's also missing and no sign of him, and you're just like, hey, hey, no one's conducting an investigation into what happened here? It's possible that they have sconed together, but nobody wants to say anything. Gay lovers? We don't say that here. I understand. Everybody is gay. This is the 20s.

30s. 30s. Did you mean happy or just? So there was some there was some evidence of their piccadillos? No, but what else other explanation can there be?

Well, that they killed themselves and threw themselves over the side. Nobody can find final rest with God if they killed themselves. Of course they wouldn't do it. But they couldn't find final resting place with God if they were in a, you know, homo stuff either, right? There's no indication of that. Sounds kind of suss.

suspect in the thirties you see another kind of crew member standing off from the side who's kind of like I kind of like walk sideways up to him a little sideways shuffle

he gives you the side eye I say hey there what do you think about this whole situation on the ship the last couple days who are you uh Jack Dunn for Daily Gazette

Second class ride perhaps but I always get my story and if I don't I just make it up Roll your dice and add a bonus die for it. So add, yeah. Okay, so 40.

Yeah, just 40. And then roll an additional tens die. Three. So 40 and 30? 40 and three. No, roll the 10s, not the one. 30. Okay, compare that to, is it your fast doc or your persuasion?

I'm a smooth talker. Sweet talker, yeah. But smooth talker is a bonus die to your what? Charm? Yes. Yes, because I have that one, too. My charm is 20. Okay.

Oh, your charm is... Yeah. Okay. I'm fucking charming of you. So good, I'm 60. He just says, look, I can't talk to you right now, and he walks. off. I don't know what one of this.

Hey pal, room 300 if you ever want to say something. He looks at you, he walks off. So, as you continue your investigation, like you, you just can't, everybody seems tight-lipped or people don't know the, people, you generally feel that people are just very confused. And you're with them, you're up on the deck with him. The more people you talk to, the more they just seem confused. There are all kinds of rumors going around. Nobody knows what's going on.

A lot of people you find, because you're on the first-class decks, are appalled, that there are cockroaches, that there were cockroaches in the room. They're worried about their dinner. They're worried about what they're going to eat. And for you two,

you guys are still down with a group of people. Is there anything else you do? Get up to the deck. I mean, these people are just, they're not useful. Okay. So do you guys? So the crew wants to take, they take the suicide note.

I hope nobody's gone over to Miss Virginia, because I'm not convinced that he actually killed himself. So they have told him Miss Virginia, and she wants to know how people know. How do you know he killed himself? She's asking me? She's asking people in general. You hear her asking, like the crowd, I don't believe it.

You know what, Miss Virginia neither do I. So one of the crew members walks out with the suicide No he called himself A note means nothing Who wrote it Exactly You say this to her I would say

Miss Virginia how many let has your Has your Chad ever written you a love note per chance But of course Would you mind Do you happen to have anything in your quarters Of course that we could perhaps compare it because I'm not convinced he did write this.

So she runs off to her quarters and she comes back with like some love letter she's written. Go ahead and both of you roll your dice. That's in the book. Is that in there? Oh shit. One, what am I comparing to? What'd you roll?

41. What'd you roll? 27. Okay, so check your calyver. Coligraphy? Is it called something else? That's a... Yeah, that's not...

It's not on there. Okay. This would be... Do you have anything under art? Colligraphy might be an additional thing. Art? Yeah. No.

No, you're still in Dungeon and Dragons World. Okay, let's... Just check spot hidden. Check spot hidden. Spot hidden. 65. Got it. Twenty-five.

I win. Did you get it? I'm under. No, I'm sorry. I'm over by two. You got it? Yeah. So you notice that the handwriting does not match at all.

All right. Yeah. He did not write this note because this handwriting does not match. You also notice that even in his love letters, he doesn't sign it, Chad. He signs it Charles Chadwick Peterson. Oh, God, I hate him even more. Oh, sorry. Okay.

So you notice the difference in how... There is no way that this man wrote this note. Is there someone who is an actual investigator on this ship? Funny you should mention that. Well, welcome back from the Upper Dex, Champ. However, you are on the Upper Dex, but you do remember that he's an investigative journalist from the night before. All right.

We need to find him because clearly this crew... This crew is not doing due diligence. And, I mean, I'm not going to say what my real job is, but I happen to have dabbled a bit in some of the more nefarious types. and I can tell you when something is a forgery and when something is not. And I can tell when people are not doing an investigation. So either y'all are covering something up

or no one actually knows what's going on. Come on. I agree. Giovanni. I can remember which of the fucking G-Name. Actually, yeah, because you're up on deck with Jack. I notice the same thing. Yeah.

I support. Come on. Come on. I think she's right. Come on. You're hard and muscle. You just nod and say. Let's see.

Come on, Giovanni. Let's let us go to the upper decks and find someone who's actually going to ask questions and perhaps find us answers. The broad's got a point. Okay. So you guys go up to the upper deck. With these games. So you ladies are trans. First you notice Dr. Maxine up there asking people questions about cockroaches and bear.

rare bird species. Now we're German. She's German. I just learned that. The five kinds of bird species in this area and

two kinds of cockroaches and I don't believe that the cockroaches are from the United States. Most peculiar. And then you see Mr. Jack

Dunford as the crew is getting him the cold shoulder, he's like, hey, hey. Maybe you're going to fucking Irishman they talk to you. Oh, Jack. Nobody likes to. Who are you, boy? Trying to get to the bottom of this mystery. I've been drinking whiskey. Not today.

Not yet. Not yet. Jack, you see Mike Hartley from San Francisco Chronicle also interviewing crew members. They seem to be talking to him, but they don't have anything of value to say. Typical. So I'm going to go up to the strongman here and say, hey, whisper to him, you got a Rosco?

Oh. Good to know. I'm always carrying. So I try to work the ship's crew. They're pretty tight-lipped, but they know more than they're letting on. I think the next move we go straight to the captain corner him and push him

and see what he knows. So now, you two have not yet met. Yeah, we did at the bar. No. Oh, me and the scientist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She stayed in her organizing her butterfly collection.

Gotcha. Okay. Why'd you bring Matt? Jesus price, what are you people doing? I like butterfly. Good old Pins. I don't travel anywhere without my butterflies. Like Werner von Baum over here, Jesus Christ.

I mean, it's 1931, but it's a cabin in Germany. Coming. We will breathe in master race. So at this point, the crew completely shuts down, Jack. Like, nobody's going to talk to you. Like, anybody you approach is... All right, so... We don't know anything.

I want these two to come with me. We're going to go track down the captain. I'm going to ask some pointed questions. You've got to hit the bridge by force. No, no, no. We're going to be a little more subtle than that. It's all right. You can't find the couple.

That's my thing. Nobody will give you access to the captain all. He's a smooth talk of though. Is he due to give a speech at the formal dinner tonight? Is there any sort of scheduled events where we might be able to find out? At the formal dinner, he's going to give a speech. Yes. When's that at tonight?

Yes. And it's been about two hours you guys have been kind of messed wrong. Right, right, right. Okay. Let's go down into the lower decks in the meantime and talk to the fucking Irish and whoever else are down there shoveling coal. So as you guys are trying to get down to the lower decks,

you know, you meet with staff who's like at the doors and they're like, sorry, so you guys don't. You don't want to be bothered with low-lis. And I say, no, it's okay. I work for the company management. He's ironic. They said it's okay.

I can come through. Roy Tachitos? Got to do an inspection. It's an insurance thing. It's nothing you need. I assure you, sure. There's nothing down there. Stand down.

But there is. I got to make my inspections. If I can't make any inspections, the ship can't get insured. We can't make it into port. Roll for persuasion. You can add an additional. 10s die.

Okay, so I got, oh shit, I got, behind the guy. I got zero, okay, so I have to add, so this is two, I got a two. Zero two? Zero, zero two? Zero, zero two is, yeah, is it two.

Okay. Okay. Okay, who are these people? Pointing to these three. These are my conciliaries. They're insured with the company. They have to do their, inspections.

I'm here to make sure that everything is going properly. You guys go down, you see like the third-class birthing. You know, you see people, obviously not as well off as you. People like stacked eight to a room. Yeah, a bunch of like Irish and Albanians and some Italians down there. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely.

So I'm going to start like making some sly inquiries to the fellas down there. If they know anything about these odd disappear. on the ship. As you talk to people, nobody has any idea and people are like shocked. That's even here. Nobody has, nobody knows, nobody's missing from down here. What about the cockroaches?

We haven't seen the cockroaches. No, but down there have seen cockroaches. Let's slide on down to the boiler room, see if the fellas know anything down here. And I, it's okay, I left my truck to cut up. I pick up a shuffle and I start, like, shoveling over some coal, like nudge up some of them. No, people look at you like you're an idiot.

Like, you're dressed all nice and, you know, they're down there like shirtless. That's. What is he doing? And I tell him, I'm with the insurance company, and, you know, I've got to make some inquiries, you know. You answer my questions and I can get out of here. What questions? About, you know, the sudden disappearances on the ship. What disappearance?

Like, we don't know anything about any of the experiences. The guy who cuts your paycheck is missing. so I tell them listen if you come across anything that seems kind of off I'm in room 300 you just come knock on the door give me a little shave and a haircut

on the door so I know it's you and you let me know and I'll get to the bottom of this we'll solve this they look at each of you like the way you're dressed in my best Irish accent oh 300 I don't know what that is

I didn't know the rules went there They never let us up there, and we don't know anything. We don't know nothing. All right. You just keep your ears peeled. I'll be back. And... What if I give them a rap?

You want to go hard? Listen, I know you know something. I'll turn it over to the muscle man. Roll, uh, intimidation. I know something's got to be going on down there. Roll, uh, intimidation, which is going to be those and plus an additional tens die. You're like, oh.

Plus a what? Yeah, plus an additional tens die. A tens die. Yeah. So just go ahead and roll and then you add a 10. No, no, no, roll and then where's the? This one. No, no.

Yeah, that's the tens. That's a 10, these aren't tens. Oh. That's a 10, but you should have. His percentage die. A percentage die. That's the one I just handed him. You can just roll that one right now.

Yeah, so roll that, roll that. So roll both them and take the lower of the two tens die. The three or the? all three okay so three 30 so it's 31 and what 30 30 30 and a 1 so basically the way of a bonus sign because you're trying to load the rollus you're trying to load the rolls roll the lowest roll the lowest load the lowest load the lowest um so when you roll two of these ten yeah when you roll two of these tens dyes you get to take the because you have a bonus, you can take the lowest.

It's a white. But 301, compare that to your intimidation score. Okay, intimidation. All right. Intimidation is 95. Okay. So you back this guy up against the, you know, up against the wall, and, you know,

you're towering over him. And you can tell that he's, you can tell that he's a, Ray. See how he is worth to see? And what are you saying? Give me a Glasgow kiss. I know you know something. What's going on?

Tell me the real deal. Show me your Roscoe. All right. We've been brewing we've been brewing pruno down here. Like, we have a little hooch but we know we're not supposed

to. But it's just to help us work. It's to help us sleep. I'll take a nip. And bring me the stash. So he runs off and he rings you back like this, this tin jug of pure brain alcohol. You can take a nip?

Yes. Roll against your constitution. What's your constitution? Oh, gosh. The motherfucker's going blind. I say, can I have a little taste off of that? Constitution. I don't have a constitution.

Sorry. It's up in your attributes. Oh, C-O-N? Yeah, 45. So roll? What do I roll? Which ones? The same roll, the same dice, but just, just without a one side.

All three? No, just two of them. Okay, so it's the 10 and the one. 21. Okay. And below. You're like, it like burns your windpipe, but you're okay with it,

but you can tell that it's some like swill. Yeah. So I like. And they give you the whole bot. They give you the whole. So now we're boys. We've had a swill. They're pretty drunk too.

They're used to it. We're all, we're all feeling pretty good. All right, guys. Like, I'm one of you now. Like, I loosen the tuxedo tie. What's really going on around here? Give me the juice.

We've, uh, okay, we've been, uh, we've been, we've been, we've been selling it to some of the upper class passengers. They, they, they bribed us to get down here and then, and we sell them some of this, uh, and sometimes they pay us to fight. Of a bitch. All right, what's the juice on that? I want a piece and I want to get involved. Oh my God. This fucking. he's doing for another

goddamn job over here you can control this you hire them and they do what they do what they're going to have I'm hired muscle now I run the book on that I get 10% I get 20% of every fight and screbe and sonnets on

I don't know who you sonnets it all right one of the guys runs off and comes back like three bucks fucking crippling it's actually not that bad at that point

I mean when's the next fight it's tonight after dinner. We'll see the captain before then. I'm going to come over and find out what the

fuck you're doing. You see him taking a swing. Like, no, I need you around. You can't be fucking going blind off of goddamn ship-bowl loomshunds. I've only kind of quarterblind. I'm having a good time, but I'm... Now, they give you three bucks.

In comparison, like, you generally make a cool, brand off a job she does, which is not too bad for the time. Luscious crash, but it's not enough. Yes. Look. Three bucks will buy you a steak. So I couldn't help it overhearing, because you're not exactly discreet.

No. So you guys have been engaging with some of the passengers from the upper decks. What have you heard going on up there? Have they told you anything about some missing folk or anything going on? We haven't heard nothing. They don't talk when they come down here to buy your... Want me to step in? You ever heard anything?

They were here last night, but we haven't heard nothing. Mind you, still the same day that the disappearance happened. Intimidation roll of shit again, though. No, no, no, I think because they wouldn't have heard anything yet. Not yet Crack some heads About you Well

I'm gonna step in Stand down Stand down Stand down Stand down Stand down Meathead We're not

Trying to fucking Start an insurrection On this fucking ship Would you mind Giving this man A sip of your Newly found I would love to give it

Yeah Somebody's got to calm this guy down Yeah Because I get a piece Now You want to sit You always had a piece Of course I want a sip

Rule Constitution Where's I believe you're Die like those are yours Well, there are sponsors From Battling Blades There it is 23

I got a 23 Which your constitution? My con is 45 Okay, you're good So you take That's pretty good You're like I'm smooth

I pass them back the The jig That's good shit. Well, all right, so everybody's kind of stand around. Like, they're all kind of eyeing the boiler. Can we go back to work? After I inspect the boiler for my insurance, you know, what have you. I'm going to go and take a little look around there and make sure it's all on the up and up.

Okay. You don't see anything. No body parts in that boiler? Do you, you don't, like, there's fire in the boiler. Huh. You don't see any body parts. It's hot. I turn to one of those, one of the mix, and I say, any body parts in there?

No, sir. Of course not. All right. You hear anything. You come back to us. Yes, sir. Give the guy some money to come back. Do I have any, do I have any money?

Yes. Yeah, you're on a first-past. It's three fucking dollars. Throw a sheffle. Like, people, people. People tease. All right. All right.

People joke about your newspaper being a second class rag. But you make some money. Maybe some of us through extortion. So the guy who, the guy who know, I want to go to a man of influence. The guy who's running the fucking fights and the little bootleger racket, I'm going to lay a C-note on him. Yeah, man. Big money. Now we are in business.

He says, thank you, sir. Thank you. And, you know, you see all the other guys kind of look at him like, dude. Those too much? Those too much. It was just right. Listen. So, yeah.

So you may have started a murderer, a murderous rampage down in the boilers, but hey. Whatever, man. Somebody's got to get fuel. Yeah, it doesn't need to go anywhere. I told you, man, if it's meat. So, yeah, so nobody down there. that any of you are getting nobody seems to know anything

about what you want or what you're talking about. I think there's more clues back in the room. I think we should take our science friend. What have you said, ma'am? Let's take our scientist up to the name. The game's right. I think we should go science it back up in the room because...

And bring some moonshine with us. If the people don't know anything, the road just do. All right, you go back to the room And it's, like, locked off, and there's, like, a ship's crew standing outside of it. Show him the Rosco. What would you like to do this? I mean, I can try to charm him, but I think that this is the same guy that...

Who's outside the door? Is it a guy or a guy? Is this the same gentleman that I already talked to before? It's a guy you guys haven't seen before. Charmed Shire. You got that. You got that charm. All right.

Showing the leg. Hey. A little leg. Extra charm anyway. Oh, but it doesn't matter. I got a 20-something. And my charm's a 60. Okay.

So, Hey, though, Sugar. We are, I'm a friend of this, the gentleman who was in this suite, Chad. Chad. Charles, actually. And I'm having me

friends with his fiance and I just wanted to see if I could pop right in there with with these these fine folks just to see if we can recover some of the stuff. Cooten tag, gruscox, the, um, uh, just see if we can pop on in there and and grab a couple of things for her. I think that. Personal items. Yeah. Yeah. He says, well, I really shouldn't. So please please don't tell anybody and, locks the door unless you have. Thank you, sir. Give him a little peck on the cheek.

He blushes. Who gave him? I gave a peck? Look, I don't know what you guys are doing in your spare time. You do you. Listen, we've already established there's some, I'm one of the different business. There's some shit going on.

He says, you know, so you guys go in and he goes, is everything all right? Nothing's all right. Two people have gone missing. What do you mean? Nothing's all right. What would you happen to know? Why did they tell you to stay out here?

Well, wait, because there was a suicide note. Who's gone missing? Who are the two people that gone there? How do you know it's a suicide? We got nobody. Who else has gone missing? Crew member. One of your boys went missing.

Are you talking about Chief Person Dungas? Yeah, exactly. What happened to him? He probably just got drunk and went below decks for some fun. Like, everybody knows he didn't have a problem with the voice. No, we went below decks and there's no chief person. and what have you's down there. He's missing. He's gone.

No vanish without a trace. What was his name again? Chief purser, Dungus. He's the guy with the money. The money man. Yeah. Finance, in charge of all the ship's finances. Well, that's a little suss.

Well, too, when he comes back, the captain will have words from here. Yeah, Dungis the monies. Exactly. So you guys go in the room. It remains as you saw it without the note. stationary, the clothes are folded up, a chair.

There's still like cockroaches kind of like climbing up the walls. There's not as many as there were earlier though. Lazy-assie-assed cotton. Maxine. It's your turn. Your time to shine. So you can have a few better fly. Smash it.

Grab it. It looks like a normal cockroach to you. Like the type of cockroaches are found in Europe. Like I said, Spain, Portugal, France, primarily. sometimes spread throughout. It's called a Germanic cockroach, but... But we're not in Germany. Right.

But it is... It's not anything unusual, but something that, you know, you're surprised to see coming from San Francisco. Very peculiar because I don't understand how these got onto this ship

if we, this ship is coming from San Francisco. So we need to find out where these cockroaches have come from, why they are on this ship. Very good.

Are there holes in the wall? Dr. Max, quick question. How do you feel with the guy with the weird mustache back in your homeland? That's what I said. I was like, you know, it's... Kaiser Wilhelm. When was, when is, when is, when, when does it happen at the off-brow?

I don't, I don't trust these crowds or a bunch of tough-throat savages. I mean, like, they lost one war. Right. Right. The country's kind of a shithole right now. I mean, I see why you're here because, like, they took those lowlands, though. Yeah, they did. Watch out Poland.

They won Austria, parts of France. That's, yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's a, that's a Norm MacDonald thing. He goes, I don't trust Germany. you're like, they decided to go to war with the world. It was like, and then again, you know, everything settled down, and then they decided again to go to war with the world.

Like, yeah, can you guys calm the fuck down for, like, a little bit? Yeah. Like, we'll just wait 10 years. Yeah, literally. 10 years, Donald fucking cracks me up. Dee, I'll let you go once we start the other game. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

We'll spin it up and we can... How does this we're going to ask? How would this ever... How long would this normally do? So, theoretically, it can go on forever. However, I hope Dave they have an end point in mind.

So, basically, are we, like, trying to move the game forward? Yes. So, like, okay, that's supposed to be us. We're like, I found this thing. Let's investigate it. And we have, basically, it's... We're trying to investigate. Jackie any of the...

The whole thing is that since this is based on the craftian, like, ultimately, it's going to be something supernatural, something to make you go insane, something that'll probably end up really. This isn't going to end up like a regular clue it's going to be like an alien in it? Yeah.

Oh, because I was going to... Did not know that. I didn't know that either. I didn't know anything. It's going to be something really bizarre and freaky and fucking... Like, we're in a world that most people are unaware of the reality,

but the reality is that there are... Since Christmas. Generally, cultist, cultist, and supernatural beings that are calling these leaderhood. Like, these astral horrors into our, and horrors, H-O-R-R-S, not like the good time. Like, W-H-O-R-R-R-S, not like, not like, not. Thank you, both that's, because of the hours. Yeah. Not like, oh, the horrors.

girls you're going to charge you like stardust to have to have your hos. But these astral horror. So where are we going? Yeah. So I'm going to move forward for you. So you guys don't find anything in particular, like anything different in the room that you found before, right? And again, none of you are aware of any of the goings-ons of this world.

It's a world beyond it, right? And it's well hidden. It's not in the papers. It's not anything like that. You go to dinner that night. The captain gives his speech, you know, as captains do on those cruises, welcoming everybody, you know, it's the, you know, it's, he gives his opening speech and whatnot. You speak to the captain.

He denies anything. The chief purser, you know, he says, I don't know where he heard that from, but he's obviously he's having problems with his wife he went below decks to find a good time when he comes back and he will come back my guy I will

you know he I will discipline him you talk amongst the crew people obviously talking about this guy missing his fiancé is not there the woman there getting food for her people are talking about Chad, they're not talking about their purse are missing because most people don't know that you only overheard it.

But you can't really find any other information that night, no matter how much digging you do. Okay, you go to your rooms, you retire even. It's the next day. So now it is that we left on a Friday that you woke up on Saturday or Sunday, I guess. now it's Monday um dessert

he had a vest on so um no no I got dressed no he didn't get dressed no he didn't get dressed yeah he had to

because it was chilly up on deck um okay so um I'm surprised you didn't disrobe so Saturday is the day you departed Sunday is the day all this happened

it's Monday as you guys investigate nothing else comes up like you just run in dead ends you can entertain yourselves on the promenade you know you can go to yes you can go to you know the various

luxury functions of the ship whatever um um the verand up the little fucking triangles and the little shuffleboard. No, that's a shovel board. I don't know what shuffleboard.

So I want everybody, so the day's gone by, you're in your cabins, maybe you've discussed, you know, this thing a little bit more, but no conclusions haven't reached. Like there are no answers. I want everybody to roll your dice,

the tens and the one, and give me your percentage. Compare that actually to your listen. Yes. Listen. What are, what are, what, 10? Which is a 10? I got below my seven, I got single.

Below. Below. I am above. Tens are just 10, 20, 30, right? Yes. Oh, that, okay. So the, so this one and this one, I have to roll? You said singles and tens.

Would you say, what do we need to roll? It's going to be, you're missing one, you can use one. Oh, do you have it? You can roll that. Okay. So that's a 56, compare that. to your listen. Tell me if it's under.

I'm over. I'm over. Under. 45 for listen. Yeah. I don't. I don't. I don't.

I don't. I don't. I'm over. Oh, my listen. I, wait, is this my listen here? It says listen. Yeah. Yeah.

It's the first one. No. Yeah. 50. You're 50. And what'd you roll? Oh, 20. Look for a listen, right?

Yeah, you're under. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. So. So. So.

So. So. of you hear a scream. Okay? You hear a scream outside your cabins. I'll bust out and run towards it. What was that? Yeah.

Okay. Where did it come from? You love that you have a fucking accent. I know. I don't know what's happening. I just have a German accent. That's all I care about. So you both run outside and you're in room

216. You're in 300, which aren't terribly far, but you hear and you see a man in a steward's uniform running out of the room. The hallways are

kind of ill lit at a disappointment time. It's dark, they've turned things down, and you see a man running from a room that you don't recognize. You haven't been to that room before. and roll a No, I'm from Holland, isn't that weird? So weird.

I love gold. I love gold. Roll your dice and compare it to your intelligence, your int, or your EDU. Which just, are these two little guys? I got 98, so. I'm missing, I think I'm. You rolled under? Those are the two, yeah.

72. Okay. Whatever you're looking at? So, sorry, either your intelligence or your EDU. Yeah, I got over. You got over? My intelligence. I-N-T, up top.

That's 95, so I'm under. Okay. So you notice that the guy in the steward uniform looks like Chad. Who you met on the gangplank, who went missing? you just see a guy with shadows around him in his steward uniform running out

now you guys are at opposite ends of the corridor so he's running he ran by her room I'm gonna chase okay you see her come out of her room you see a guy run by and you hear somebody coming down the corridor towards you and you're recognizing

as Jack who are so I recognize yeah I'm running So I'm running a prostitution reading. I'm going to say get him or run after him. Okay, so both of you chase. Yeah, let's. Okay. So you notice that he's running towards the promenade day?

And if you want to follow him, he's going to, he's jumping down to the next step. So at this point, if you guys want to follow, you need to decide if you're going to make that jump. Yeah, I'm going to go after him. Okay. Um, roll your dice? 14. And does that make your jump? Are those only two options to jump or not? I can't go and take the stairs down. You can, it'll take you a bit, though. Um, fuck it. I'll jump. All right. Uh, roll your dice. The same. Oh, could I have your dice again? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait, no, I have them here. No, no. I have them here. No. Yeah, I made it. 49.

jump. Oh, jump. Oh, jump. Drum. Um, is 20. Her jump as low. She's, why have I fucking lost?

You're a scientist. I know. Why? You're a scientist. So, I mean, I'm, what is your all? I'm always my clothes. I rolled a 49.

Okay. So you're, you're going to take 1D6 plus three. So roll that and then add three to your damage. Okay.

Two. five. Five? Okay. And then what's your hit points? Where are we? Oh, hit points is 25. 25?

25. So do 25 minus whatever you just said five? Five. Yeah. Okay, so 20. Oh. Okay, so you hit hard. You make a perfect landing and you see them keep rolling.

Or you see him keep running. 20 points. Yeah, I'm going after him. Okay. Should be jumping in heels. Like, this is one thing I've learned as a broad in the 30s. It's much. more difficult for us.

Why do we have to wear heels? That's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Fuck Zat. I should have taken them off first before I jumped. I know, right? It's like we're in a fucking horror movie over here.

I'm running through the guy there and words. The aliens have a guy in here, yeah. So you're kind of recovering from your fall. You keep chasing. You see, you see this figure jump into the shadows and all of a sudden a bunch of,

of cockroaches rush out. I'm going to start like stomping all over. Jay, a jig. Yeah. Okay. And again, there's still just this, at the end of this sort of

you know, the promenade sort of underneath this area, there's just this area of shadows where it went. You're stomping the cockroaches. He's just going. There aren't cockroaches. But you still haven't reached the area where it disappeared. So you don't know if it just,

if he just hid or if he's going to. I'll stomp over and investigate. Okay. And now you've recovered and you see Jack like moving into the sorry to investigate. I can talk directly right. I think that I think that that man is actually Chadwick. Chadwick? Yes.

The man that came out of the room. Is he supposed to be dead? Yes, but I think he just had a different uniform on. Let's see if we can find where we want. Let's go. Okay. Let's go. So you go into, like, the shadows and you find a book.

A book. Okay. I'll take a look at the book. Okay. And the book is, it has a title called the Tomb of Red Jade. Okay. Let's take a look at this thing. Is this broader than who is that ship made out?

It's a Red Jade. It's a tomb of Red Jade. Okay. Okay, there's... There's the kind of cockroach. These are the same cockroaches that were in the room. The red jade cockroaches. Yes.

You noticed this. Nobody else would notice this. Is the red jade cockroaches? They're not red jade cockroaches, no. Oh, man. Can I just have a very cockroachers? I thought we had it. Me too, man. Are we investigating the buck still? Yeah, yeah, let's investigate the buck.

the book. Okay. Read that shit. We read further. Don't read it out loud. We've learned about that. So, Jack, you take a look at the book. Roll a D-10 for me? Don't just read from a random book. One.

Oh. And if it has a... Oh, fuck. Done this so many times. There's so many times. There's about a hundred dice in there. There's a dice graveyard. Uh, 33. Okay.

That's ahead of them. So you are. That's not it. So you opened the book and it's in manner and Chinese. What did you roll? 33. No, just a D-10. Just one D-10.

And you look at the book, too? Yeah. Yeah. Three. Yeah. Okay. Do you have any languages? Let's see.

And do you have any languages? How would you know that? English, Russian, and German. Okay. But no Latin? Does the book have skin for a cover? That's always a bad idea, right? That's always a bad idea.

I'm not seeing any languages. Okay. So roll a D-10 also? That one. I think I need your, oh, okay. Okay. So as you open the book, Jack, and you look over your shoulder, Dr. Max,

mm-hmm? Dr. Max. The pages just swirl. and it's something about it is deeply unsettling and horrific and Jack you lose four three or 30 or yeah three three three and yours were the four you lose three sanity okay so look at your overall sanity and then just subtract three from that and that's your new sanity you can get sanity back in that?

Because I have a max sanity, I get sanity back. How the fuck does that have? Over time, like between, between, yeah, between, like in a campaign, it would be between, your character can also develop, like, new skills and whatnot or additional, you know, add to the skills, but that's generally not in a single session. It's over the length of, it's like experience in D&D. Yeah. So, so you immediately, like, close.

close the book and you're like horrified. You have no idea what it is. You're so strange. I'll take it with us. Okay. But we need to be careful. I'll give it to her. Okay.

Butterflies and a boy. Now, remember that this person who you identified as Chadwick, right, came out of a room where you both heard a screen. Let's go take a look. Yes. Let's go back to the room.

So you go back to the room and it is, you see a man who is kind of like disheveled. It was the Asian looking man who was in a dapper suit as you guys were both, who had a man served. Who you guys as you guys were approaching or entering the ship. And he looks a little disheveled and a little. like he's not damaged physically he's conscious he's just like kind of looking around i'm going i'm going to uh say show him the book i see it's good to see you again sir he knows something i just wanted to show you this book um to see if there is a he grabs the book for me real quick and he says oh thank you thank you very much i'm not going to do an easy max not because i'll get canceled

You said he was a little Asian. Authentic. So he just clings at two and he's looking at you. He's like, I thought I'd busted. Post. Go ahead. So it is your book. Yes.

It belongs to me. So what is it? He says it is the book of the red jade. It is a work of immacial, blasery. We don't know where it comes from. But it blast me. It's not just the work of the Lao Tzu and Taoism,

but the emperor and the entire divine status of the Manchu dynasty. But we got it from that guy, Chad. Yes, he stole it from me. And he was supposed to have disappeared. Where'd he go? Anything about that. He just, he knocked on my door for champagne and Kiman. and knocked me to the ground and stole it.

And then turned into cockroaches. I don't know anything about that. Well, what do you know about? We got two people missing here. I think about that. Do you need me to go get the strong man, have him come in here, show him your Roscoe? What's a Roscoe?

A 38. What's that 38? A pistol, you idiot? No, no, no, no. You need to tell us everything about the book right now. We don't know what the book is. It's a work. The was you written in a prisoner under arrest during the Manchu dynasty.

His authorship is widely attributed to Zao Laud, the warload of 100 masteries. We don't know anything. He tried to, he had a small sect that referred to themselves as this seven-fold hidden path plan. They were anti-religious zealots and extortionists, criminals. Somehow you tend to position at the Imperial Plains. In 1850, we don't know anything to fly. I say, hell's bells, woman, how am I supposed to write this into a story? Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations.

Does any of this make sense to you? None of this makes sense to me, but I am wondering now, perhaps, do you know the... That Chad didn't elope with another man? What's about the purser? Yeah, exactly, the purser. Do you know the purser? The purser? What's the purser, right? Yeah.

Chungus Purser. What? Do you know him? The Purser? I don't know. He is also missing on the ship. Can you read this book? God damn it. I'm going to let her read it. I'm going to go knock on their door to get them down here and interrogate this guy because I'm starting to get irritated with him.

Okay. So you go, you go and knock on the door and he asks you, do you? Do you want me to read it for you? Yes, I do. So. I'm going to read from the fucking straight job. He starts reading it. You go get down. What do you say?

I say, hey, I need your interrogation skills again. Okay. I'm in. Come on with me down the hall. We got a guy. He knows stuff. What's in it for me, by the way? Probably a lot of money. All right. Fuck, man.

What would I hire people for? So you guys all come down here. Okay, during it, he's like translating it for you. You're good. This is, really, God, damn. This will take a long time. But each of you, now the four of you, can add to your mythos.

Could you lose Mythos plus four? You might not have anything there. Where is there? Mythos you don't have. You have occults? I definitely have been mythos. I definitely have been Mythos. I don't have that.

No, it's not on here. Where would that be? We're not playing dungeons and librarians on here. We got... Of course we are. There's magic points, is that? No, no, I don't know. Mythos is probably a cult in this world.

Okay, we'll just say... Yeah, it's not on here. So we'll just say you all have... Oh, no, there is. Cthruly Mithol. Oh, yeah, okay. I see it. Well, mine's zero. Yeah.

Under what? Mine's zero as well. What's it? It's in the seas. Mythos. Under credit rating or if that's like anybody else. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why I do.

Oh, yeah. Okay, so each of you have a four now there. You have a four. You might, is your zero? Zero. Zero? So you have four? Everybody has zero.

Zero. Jack? You probably have a zero. Yeah. Is that a common thing? Mythos is zero. So this is the first time you guys are ever hearing about Cahulu of Mythos. Like the idea of these astral beings that come from the yon.

And you guys have already, like, suffered this, but each of you roll a D-10. So just the ones. The ones. I got it. Yeah. The ones. The one with the one. Yeah.

The one with the one. I think I know I think that's a six it's either a six or a nine I'll say it's a six the nine will have a dash yeah it's a six that's a

dot under it is the nine nine I have a nine yeah so you lose nine and you lose six of one from what? From what?

Sanity because you guys are now like they were exposed to the book directly you guys are now learning about this idea of these beings, these horrible beings

that... I've said I lost six, right? Yeah. All right, I'm still pretty sane. I mean, relatively. Yeah, right? More than I...

Jack, how are we doing... Or, Dee, how are we doing on the comments? Right? Are you asleep? Not yet. Boy, why don't you come over here and pick up a character?

I'm just trying to go home. You could just be the, like, the 1930s version of a bar. Fuck, man. Oh, my list is right. No, she's going to pick you up and pin you into her little collection of it. You can live in this. My little butterflies. All right.

Come on, we need to move towards that conclusion. I'm pretty high still. Only minus three. Yeah, you're not. that low yet. Like, it gets worse. Oh, because we're all, that's, okay, I got it. That's, like, the thing.

Can't nobody, I mean, lose our sanity. Not yet. Sully but surely. Right. All right. In this game, that's actually kind of the point. Lovecraft, very good, very good author.

I have the collected works. I'm sure you do. Fantastic. A lot of good, a lot of good, like, follow-up. Like, weird childhood. authors too, you know, like, because a lot of people... Based on... Mm-hmm.

I had a weird job. One of my favorite movies is when I was, like, hanging. Like, I'm... But that's a good movie, though. Yeah. Yeah, no. I still check behind a shower curtain every time I go into a bathroom with one. Because of D.HC.

Oh, do you check in your own home? I don't have a shower curtain. I have a... Do you not have a shower curtain for that reason? No, I just, I rent and I have doors. Okay. But, um... But anywhere else?

Anywhere else? that I am that has a shower curtain. I will not use the bathroom until I've checked behind the shower curtain. Make sure basically there's not a dead ghost floating in the tub. But, well, I suppose not a dead ghost is a little redundant.

But, no, it's a thing. That, one of my favorite movies, but that is one scene that, like, that's one of the ones that sticks with you. All right, it's 11. We need to move towards a... All right, we're going to make this one there. Here we go.

The finale is approaching. We're all going to die. You all die. No, all right. I think we have a good luck on this, all right? I mean, it's in the book. What is? Everything.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all an alternate ending, though, right? Yeah. It's always the alternate ending. We just got to turn off the director's cut at this point. Yeah? Yeah, the lights should have turned off.

I don't know why they didn't. Wasn't there something? Yeah, usually, yeah, they're off at by 8. I'm going to have to go and mess with them and go to the factory resets. You can see the two fish, they're sleeping in the corner because they know it's time to go to bed.

Where? Oh, on the right-hand side? On the left-hand side. I don't see any. You might not be able to see them where you are. They're over in the corner, just kind of chilling. Oh, are you ready? So while you guys are, you know, talking to this gentleman who nobody has asked who his name is,

I just got here. So anyway, so he's, he's, the book is in Mandarin. Like somehow, you guys knew the title of the book, but even though you couldn't read it, but you didn't know at the time you couldn't read it, you just knew it. Because we're all going crazy. But when he reads it and tells you, even though you guys don't actually look at the text the way they did, you still have this revulsion, this deep fear of, you know,

this idea that there are these things beyond. And he tells you that the book of the Red Jade describes the process of ghoul transformations, summoning and binding the history of the Marnigles and the manchus with respect to these things called star vampires and the Migo a dream sequence that seems to make direct reference to

Azathoth and Narrow... Oh, man, freaking out! So he... He has some of that moonshine in the room. My room's pop it off right now. you what? He's running a fucking dropout of his room.

My room's wet. I was just offering him some of the moonshine. You got moonshine. Oh, yeah, man. What's up? Yeah, you got, and you got, like, money on the fights? Yeah, I know. He was, he was already, he's running.

He's running. You're taking hard-earned money from the working class, but, hey, that's okay. Well, I mean, they're... I'm Italian. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's got to make his lens somewhere. Pretty soon you'll start a union and charging dues. Yes.

You know, to control their votes. But you see, you see this kind of like... What a decade of 30s. What time to be alive. It's in the book. Look, if you can't exploit your lessors, like... What are you even doing in the 30s? Right.

However, I ain't speaking Yiddish around a old Dr. Death over there. I just picture Will Defoe in the Orient Express. Like kind should be with kind. So, I'm blaming that on the fucking moonshot, though. Are you looking for solutions? The final solution? So while you guys are in his room, you hear like a heavy thud in the room.

next door. God damn it. And the gentleman who's meaning you don't know because nobody asked who's reading in the book

who's reading the book. You didn't ask? You know, looks at the room. Hey buddy, what the fuck is your name? He looks at the room so 1930s.

And sorry I need a figure out what his name is. Would you possibly navigate that book right now? Seriously. And he looks at the room, he yells, Wong, and he runs over there.

Wong? Wong. Okay, so that's Asian, yeah, yeah. Right? Wong. And so he runs out of the room. Something long. Well, I'm following him.

I don't even know, I just asked him what the fuck his name was, and he didn't even answer me. But I'm going to follow him, because people dropping dead, and I still can't read this goddamn book. Okay. fall on him? Yes. Of course it can happen as I go a little bit more nuts. So he beats on the door, he opens it, it's unlocked,

and he runs in, and it's the, if you guys remember, this is, you know, he was the dapper. He was the dapper as Asian gentleman, and on the floor you see his answer, and you see another gentleman on the floor over him, who, you know, you know the guy.

Like, you don't know him, but you know the type. Like, he looks like a wise guy. Busted nose, you know, scarred knuckles. Like, he looks like the kind of guy you know. Fucking competition for you. You could be running them fucking fights on the other side. Let's fucking get your cut. Didn't I trade you?

So he stands up and he looks at you guys. All right. The Asian gentleman that you've been talking to is translating the book, runs to the body on the floor. What happened in here, too musly, dude? He just looks at you blankly. Figures. You understand the words that are coming out of my mouth.

Hey. Hey. It's your people. Yeah, you need some talk about it. Yeah. Go do me a solid in, uh, go, go talk to, go talk to your boy. What happened? I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

I can't help it. It's the voices. Ships doctor. All right. Please help me. It's the voices. I can't stop it. It made you do it. You killed him? I found him like this.

And then I choked the life out of him. So you killed him? I don't know. The voices told me to do this. But he was like this. You killed him. Call. 911 and then I won't kill you.

I don't know what call 911 means. Operator. Call for help. And then... It's the voices. I'm telling you it's the voices. It's the voices. You guys can't hear them?

They're all over. I hear them. Could you do me a solid and restrain this fine, gentlemen? Yeah, wrestling down to the ground. He doesn't resist. he's like what are you doing it's not me

it's the voices they're in my head I enter you slowly well wait I misread this whole thing I like you but now like that

all right I just hold you down the voices are saying more no It's like... Well, I say no, and it feels so good to say yes. It's a choir of angels.

They told me to do this. Don't you understand? Don't you realize how beautiful this is? They're told me to do this. Restrain. I'm restraining you. Do I like this? Do I?

You look back at me. With a fish eye. You lock eyes. Oh, my gosh. I'm trying to do. He just keeps on the voices. What are the voices telling you to do exactly? They, everything, everything.

They told me to help steal the book. They told me to kill Juan. They told me about Chadwick. The voices, they tell me everything. You killed, he killed him. I killed everybody. Everybody, I killed everybody. Well, where is Chadwick's body?

Chadwick is glorious. He's born. He's beyond. I don't believe that because his name is Chad. But the... Sounds possessed. Possibly. He sounds possessed.

Maybe. Or... Drunk on that moonshine. You. That shit is strong. He made in the bowels of a ship. The, um... So, uh, so where, so you said that Chadwick has, is beyond, but, uh, we haven't been able to see him.

to see him. Where's the body if he's Jenwick has no body. He's an angel. Okay. We're all angels. We'll all be angels. It's glorious. There is no Dana. Only Zool.

Only Zool. Oh, Zul of you. So we need a gatekeeper. Or we need a master. All right. All right. So we're not going to get any answers out of this guy

And the other dude is dead So why hasn't this guy Why does this guy still have a body? I'm still restraining you I think I'm holding him down I'm not an angel yet Soon soon we'll all be angels I don't like what he's saying

So I'm gonna try to probably kill you I think of this morning. You can kill them? Yeah, I'm gonna kill you. Okay. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm, you're like, you're saying crazy stuff and I'm like, stop talking. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to kill.

I can't stop you, you've asked me questions. A little, kind of, like, kind of a little bit of a little bit of a man's daughter. Kind of rape choky kind of thing. Well, my goodness. Again, it took a dark, it took a different turn. Yeah. This is an evil of foot. It's like Candyland.

Yeah, because you're saying stuff that's too crazy. I'm like, stop talking. His eyes lose over as you're talking. He's like, it's glorious. Will all be angels? All be angels soon. Stop talking. Don't say any more.

It's too much. I poop you. I poop you. Go to sleep. Okay. Go to sleep. I push it into your look. You guys watch Giovanni choke this guy as the life starts to brain out of him.

Okay. He's like, it's glorious. It will all be angels. The angels. I said that's in the book. Jesus, guys. Yeah. God damn.

This motherfucker of a pile of cockroaches yet. No, he just dies. God damn it. Somebody get that fucking book. And I come walking into the room, and I look at the corpse, and I'm like, better cancel that guy's dinner plans. Yeah. Nice.

Why don't you blow off some steam? 80s movies now. Yeah. We had jumped from the 30s to 30s to the 80s. Party of one. That's the food. It's expired.

It's expired. Another vacant apartment. Okay. So, um, so, so, so now you're alone

with two dead bodies. And a very sad age of man. The very, the very sad age man weaving over the body. And a pretty tough dude. Of a conciliary man servant. Um,

your guy. And what is it that you all choose to do at this point in time? You could call it at night. I pull a fade. I said we'll have a drink. Time to hit the booze. And you've got the heavy booze. On the back to butter.

A bunch of degenerates. I will say that no matter what investigation you do, you guys have no further release this night. You can't find anything. You can go to bed. Captain is asleep, and only the night's shipwatch is on duty. Nobody knows anything. They're still expecting the cheap burser to come back from his wenching ways,

you know, in a drunken stoop work with several STDs. But he has not yet returned. The motherfucker's dead. So the next day or on Thursday, nothing else happens during the duration. You guys investigate, can't find anything. they find out that this man murdered, like the ship's in an uproar, that there's been a murder on the ship. You, of course, killed him in self-defense, as your entire party attest to.

And now the ship is an uproar that there is an alleged missing person who committed suicide. You guys are still the only ones who know about the chief purser's act. absence and there was another murder right the Awong the the man servant and people are a little skittish now on Thursday December 10th three days later you guys arrive on Honolulu no thank you a good old-fashioned Waki you know but aloo out Waui Waiqi Yeah. Tiki torches and...

I'm going up to fucking Juanike. But as people start to approach the gangplank to leave, their ship's crew there, the gangplank has not been lowered. You're moored. And they will not allow anybody off the ship. I also saw this on a different cruise documentary, but that was found. No ship tenders are brought alongside. No ship tenders are brought alongside.

No ship. the people who got on the ships You guys notice a team of policemen like form their own little singular gangplank and they come aboard to start investigations for the apparent suicide

of Chad Peterson and as you guys know a few other people do cheat per sure because he has not shown as well as the murder of Poor Mr. Wong. In addition, unknown to you guys,

you find out that there's been another disappearance of a guess who you, none of you had met. Takisha Saruda. I know. How many people missing? We're at like five? Well, one you killed. One murder.

One murder. It was Wong and then two and then three. Yeah, so we're down five people. I mean, like, you know what? There's going to be extra food. But, you know, I think there are like four hundred people at war, so it's not necessarily a bad statistic. No, and you know what?

It's like a little bit of extra booze at the bar. Everybody's still having a good time. More ice cream. On the top deck, no one gives a shit. Right, a little drama, you know? It's like a mystery. I mean, like, gossip. We got to make it all the way to fucking Shanghai.

I mean, like, there's got to be something to do. We're Honolulu. Let's go. You notice with the police They interview Dr. Soon And Virginia Ridley They come to interview you about Oh my girl Virginia

Have I stolen her ring yet? Because I really need nothing You have not, but you know It's long as scroes from Hawaii to Shanghai Like we just spent five days Going from San Francisco to And there's seven people These fucking steamships too

Yeah Fogne ever You know it. The police interview you. Think about how nice dinners. About your role in a killing of... These are non-American police at this. No.

No, it's... Oh, in Hollywood. Oh, it's... I don't think Hawaii's a state yet. Actually... What? I honestly don't know. Nine?

I claim... I don't think what you... That's a shitty... That's a shitty knowledge of America. Yeah, it is. It is. We're in the 30s? So, the interview.

you about the killing of you know who you now have come to realize as Stuart Bunny Bates who was a former machioso guy you didn't know that but the police tell you

I assume that during this time you guys all have your story straight about how it was self-defense I don't know nothing about nobody 1959 yeah yeah 1959

oh dude we're not even We're going to talk. International territory right now. Wouldn't even steal the shit yet. However, the 100442 infantry out of Hawaii is about to fuck up some access powers. Yes. So.

The police also... The police also find out that you guys have seen the suicide out and they ask you about it and they determine that it is authentic. That's a shoddy-ass police work. They make a hasty retreat from the ship. What about the purser? Spokely the true 1930s.

It's a case of accidental death. Like, what about the purser? So I'm heading out to go hit the Tiki bar. Enough is enough of all this. This cutu insanity. I've had enough. I'm like, no, I'm out. I'm going to go get drunk.

Yeah. You're camping out in Waikiki. Yeah, yeah. Wait, what, Tiki Barn? No, no, no, no, nobody's getting off the ship. They're just, like, have us on fucking lockdown on the ship. Yeah, the ship is on a corner. What do they want from this?

They don't want anything from you. They just want to know that his story was legit. Yeah. Nobody's a lot off the ship. So, what are we doing? We are getting underway. That's right. I.

Oh, my God. We are Shanghai or bus. It's a revolver on this boat. Shanghai or bus, hashtag. I choose death. Mr. Wong had a. There's another Diet Coke in the fridge. Dave, where are we going with this?

So, does ship get us underway? To admit that we table the game to a, Future day trial. We can do that. Are we like, where are we like in the arc of the storyline? Are we like at the halfway? A lot of bit. He's got a lot left.

There's a lot left. Yeah, we should probably, yeah. A minute or two left. We may need to. A minute or two. Well, it's 1130. Yeah, we may need to shelve this until episode 300. We finish the game.

So let's. This is good. We're in Holland. Nobody died yet. I mean, except for Chad. Yeah, Chad. Nobody gives a fuck.

Well, Chad is... He's in his fucking vest back. He's the worst. Sort of. State. Of cockroaches. What kind of comments are you in? Listen, I know I tell you, I don't know,

but you play them, this, whatever this is. Like, you do it well. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. It's really... I don't even... Are you the Katoulu Master?

The keeper. Oh, the key. Keeper. Yeah. I mean, duh. It's good. You're keeping us, I mean, yeah.

What, what? Can I get an, uh-uh, uh-uh? Oh, are we gonna do some ground brush down, yeah, we're gonna spin it up. I'm gonna hop off this, ouch. Go back and take some more pictures into your social media thingies. Nope.

Nope. Nope. Nope. What time did you guys come online? Just gonna hang. At noon. and it's almost 12 hours it's got to be pretty much 12 hours

it's living there almost it's the excitement coming from over at that table yeah the producers and whatever it's awesome all right guys sorry we're we're wrapping it up here

I know that it's a little blue ball's action but you want to see who would that's when you know it's good but it's a good tease yeah Yeah, you're saving yourself for something better. Or another 100 episodes later.

Exactly. Don't worry. It's worth the weight. It's worth the weight. Other than, so how you been? I mean, gratification. I've been good. You know, unemployed, which sucks, but all in all, not too bad.

Layed off in late December. No, shit. And the challenge, like, so I pivot into cybersecurity, and the challenge is that, like, there have been a lot of layoffs in cybersecurity. So the jobs that, so the jobs that are hiring. there's enough of a market right there's enough in the market that my eight months of experience isn't as attractive as somebody with like six years who's now looking for a job it seems a little weird that cybersecurity would be laying off cybersecurity is a weird interested because there's a huge like

skill gap they're like they need people in the field but entry-level positions are always like two years of experience. Like, nobody wants to train people up. So, yeah, it's an interesting way. I love it. It's fascinating.

What side of cybersecurity are you on? So I started in digital forensics. I would love to get into like adversary emulation. You know, some of the more not necessarily pen testing,

maybe pen testing, but I don't necessarily have the skills for that. But, you know, cyber security is this massive umbrella. It covers so many different. Yeah.

So many different things. but yeah it's just they said they have a group warming up in GV so I think they're doing their stretching now Jack what they said I have a group warming up in GV so I think they're stretching now alright doing help one two three one so

Desente yeah bless you baby thank you baby thank you thank you thank you Do you actually speak German? Al-Handro. Accent is dead on. Accent is fucking dead on.

I thought you spoke German. Joe's apartment, that's a great role. Ingleaz. Joe's apartment was a great fucking show. Somebody go, so do the cockroaches talk like they're in Joe's apartment? That's such a great poll, right? Yeah. Excellent.

Yeah. Well played, whoever the fuck said that. Wait. Like such a... Such a small, like, thread. Love it. That was what, MTV for like a couple, but it wasn't even on very long. Maybe a season.

Maybe a season or two. Yeah. Yeah. Did that. And it's this guy who lived in a shitty apartment and he had talking to talk artists. Yeah. Yeah. What a good shit.

What else? Because there was a couple of probably some really funny comments. So, oh, funny comments. Let's see here. I mean, that was. Around with no. gun in his hands here on our left. Additional comments.

Whoever this is in the BDU. Yeah, that did. Original. Yeah. It was around the time, like, I think, like, if they don't have any, like, kit, then maybe just don't shoot him because there might be a bugged hostage. That had to have been earlier. Was it?

I don't know. You want to go ahead and move down, Justin? Yeah, this is right here. Yeah. Joseph Hart was a long. Those are a long-up on the town. I assume they cleared the rest of that already. Joseph Pard was 90s because Petus and Buttiget were ACDC Metallica, so that's early 90s.

Well, we got a shooter at that hall behind us. Watch out. 96. Joseph Barclanly. That makes sense. Wow. There's a shooter behind you. Yeah, I heard him say that right as they said fired.

I knew you hated me. Yeah. Hi, Dee. Just wait until next round, you know. Justin a How much do you love your The host of the podcast right now Justin's just smoking everything man

Just doing the whole bill bro Yeah This is what happens when you play too much Arma and it's just You know shoot everybody simulator Oh no Okay well that should be clear above us I guess so

I'm gonna report this guy, Dukeia. What a dukey. Yeah, we'll go basement. Hold on. Good to see it didn't take lung to the T-King to start. Oh, I know it was four. It's only natural. It's sad how true that statement is.

So I move to San Francisco. Nope, don't shoot those people, Justin. No, I got, I got it. They have a gun. I see a gun. No. I'm a right for us. You're not a cup, Justin. I'm with you.

I'm with you. Keep pushing it. I'm going to get out of this hallway. I'll be right back and grab another. Uh-huh. But if you had like, I think, uh, I think, uh, No, my first fucking real world reference. Today, I'm just going to let you ride. I used to bounce at a similar story.

Or you wouldn't know the word of real world. Yes. season was. Not even my first. That's a supper term of his reference. I made a reference to

move to the center of the building. Mostly by quoting the guidelines. Watch out. Oh, we got a nice. They can hear you in YouTube now.

They've been able to for a while. Stop being polite. Uh-oh. They're not polite, right? About like three minutes. Accuracy 100% plus. The reality TV.

That's over that. have there been any friendly fire instance yet yeah yeah pretty good never got it all right all right all right who got a fucking

I just lost my joke who got Pat Tillman ooh ow already we're already that's when I was like well you know what I did

so I'm the fuck out of canceling And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I got the right squirrel on my arm. I can make that joke. Most shit about television. But has anyone got? Two thousand one prior. It's very weird. And you see, uh, puck, like, rolling around sometimes on his bike.

He was, like, a legit, uh, uh, uh, message or whatever. Yeah. Um, um, and, and, and, and, but, but I, I, I didn't really remember. watch the show so much. Like, I knew who the puck was just because it was like, it's the sort of out there character. He was like the punk kid. Yeah. In this house

of... So, um... So, um... So, at this club that I used to work at, like, we'd have a different thing every night. And, you know, sometimes we'd swing because, like, swing is in. We'd have disco.

We'd have hip-hop. Whatever I was a... Yeah. I still... Like, half the... Excuse me, pal, half these hands are SCAA. I relate. Skaw band.

Pie Tasters, Skaw band. Fucking, dude, that was the best. Anybody boss tones was like what I... They actually just broke up. And so working at this bar, one of the guys that, like, I met and became close with it. I'm at touch. Was this guy named Muhammad, right? And so we just hang out and whatnot.

And then at one point he goes, you know, Dave, you know what I appreciate it about you? And I go, what? And he goes, you never, like, bring up the show. I'm like, what show? And he goes, real world. And it's like, it was Muhammad from the World, Real World. And I didn't know enough about the show. Oh, you would have brought it up?

No, probably not. But it's like, oh, shit. Like, it was like a guy on season three of the World, real world with Puck and those guys. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a vague recollection of who that was.

I, again, like, once they kicked Puck out of the house, I was like, y'all can't have it. How do you feel about, like, reality shows? Is it, they're like, are they stars? Well, and most of them are paid. Well, what's the definition of famous? Like, for me, like, being famous is that more people know you than you know them. Sure.

Right? You can be famous in your neighborhood. Well, in whatever community. You can be famous and whatever. You're famous in a specific community. Sure. Yeah, yeah. But if you can travel the world and people,

recognize you, then you're famous in that, I say. But, but you can be famous in a community. Like, there are famous Rangers because they won best ranger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That nobody else knows about, but a ranger be like, oh my God, that's, you know, that's

struker, you know, that's so and so. Like, like, yeah. Yeah, there's... Yeah, well, I feel like at that time, Because there weren't other reality shows, aside from fucking road rules, but you the fuck watched that?

But road rules, didn't that start years after? Not too late. I feel like a real world was like, it was the first reality. Yeah. And it started, and then like a year or two later

started road rules. But you didn't have like fucking Bravo and like all the other. I never had cable as a kid. Never watched any of that shit. We know. They're aware that they're public now. Damn,

he got your ass. I guess we'll go to the main gate if there's no other option. If you said something back, I couldn't hear it. I'm in the voice chat and Discord so I can't hear the YouTube.

On the major, I'm in charge. It's my up. Whatever you say. Situation Fubar. Here we go. Too risky. Say that you're trying to find

in the game. There we go. Oh, we got one down. Pushing right. Who else does that? I know David. Holy shit. I got moat down by buckshot.

Where's Scotty when you need them? Scotty doesn't know. Scotty doesn't know. Don't tell Scotty. You're joking. There were like three deep there. Dude, we just got flanks so hard. Yeah, yeah, hold on.

Hold on. Right here. One, two, three, four, five. five, six, oh, that word. I got a hot take here, but I think this is because we did discuss beforehand whether or not we were doing high port carry or low carry.

You need to get on the safe paper. You know, I think you need to give us a five paragraph order. What's going on here? Well, the people on the catwalk would say, don't put your gun at me. What are they, though? Jack, there's no

seals here to defend their honor. I don't think that's really fair to do. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Fuck them. Fuck them if they can't take a joke. I agree. Oh, what's the what's the stream to life? I came out 15 seconds. Yeah, be advised, we do have some civilian no shoots here

in our custom mode. Really? Yeah. Did they do an update or something? where you can make some custom stuff. Nope. Oh, yeah, Jack. Are they in those shoes?

Are they in the ass or no shoes? Which means they don't have a gun yet. You'll give it to them when they're dead. All right. I'm cutting internal power from outside. All right, bro. We've got three of us stacked on this right tunnel door. We're moving in.

Oh, yeah, bro. Rolling Thunder time. Over here. Careful if we killed two more hostages, we lose. Take care everybody. I need to... Over here! He's one of them!

You don't want to come back this way, man. Left far left. Stream delays about 45 seconds. Whatever. A hit is in. Someone reawakened me. All right. I'm here. Let's go. We're proceeding at B tunnels.

I see it to me! Yeah, we're checking map, except we got two friendlies on the A side. We're gonna outside right now. Yeah, so we got us we got a team on the outside running the fence then we got two friendlies an A and two and B Are we doing some of a mega team shit? Let's get out of here! No! We're just getting into a gunfight and a power station.

What? What? What is what is I'm looking at? Flushing up. You need to check and watch. I can't believe it works. He's what are they? We need the backup! Huh? Why is working? Watch on the left.

here just be on the side fence uh yeah i'll check check check i can hear you all right man i'm gonna play with you guys until fucking you're ready to check out i'm here hey let's let's do uh this one right here this store yeah oh man whoa hey uh friendly's across you're on the east side watch out right oh no he pulled back yeah no friendlies in that direction jack I'm moving left. Alright, I'm gonna check for a laptop search areas. So it's either in the center courtyard or over on the west side hallway. Someone's checking Intel over there.

So, a civilian. Now there's civilians on the battlefield, all this meti bullshit going on. Looks like ground branch of gunwashed. Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. I wasn't gonna say it out loud, but no, it makes the game more challenging, so it's all good. Oh, no, yeah. No, no, I love it. I just, I'm being funny.

No, it's like I, I told the dude, like, they need to incorporate S-Vest in the game. I mean, I'm all about, like, making the game a little bit more hard. Or, uh, Jack. Now you've got fucking civilians present. Does that mean you have to bring your, uh, your civil affairs up with you? You got to bring Joshua Lee's? You're throwing shade? No, no, no.

Hey, um, wherever the friendly is out there about the gravel. I'm gonna pull back over inside and help me I don't know our friendlies over here we're going down in the basement I'm just saying like integrate like a med cap into the mission and bring some of them with you hey we're gonna need that's a level three

con off minimum so I got eyes on Intel or solely sully bring your sciop attachments have them drop leaflets the day ahead yeah we'll pass out soccer ball We'll do leaflets in an area where majority of the population is illiterate. Yeah, we'll drop the leaflets in English.

Yeah, yeah. Or even language that people have never seen in this front of them. Just friendly just come up. Really nice pictures on our leaflets. Our friendly used back friends. Oh, and don't forget the leaflet with a picture of a dog with the Talban flag on its back. There's all these stupid no-shoots

running around. Yeah, that is really weird. I got the intel on the east side door. I like the no-shoots. You should be able to handcuff them. Right. Maybe one day. Maybe slimmed around a bit. Maybe slugging on a bit. Yes.

I want to disappear. I got a civilian. We're moving. There's smoke over there for the extraction. Yeah, you can press him to check your map where extract is. We're heading there now with Intel. Okay. Do we have any more bad guys?

I mean... Possibly. Any one of these no-shootsuits could turn into a bad guy real quick. Yeah, as I said, like, have one of them, like, maybe, like, a kid run up to you with a grenade or something. Or if you see, like, a group of kids, like, be able to throw, like, throw an MRI bag out there. Like, watch one of them throw hands over, like, the dry-ass crackers. Holy shit, dude. Or like a

like a gloss to have them throw our hands over that. Yeah. I've seen legitimate boxing matches over a kind bar. Oh, stop. I'll be right back. I'm going to refill my water. That's not going to lie, that. That's somewhat terrifying.

All those dudes are just like running up to the extract like that. Oh, great. Oh, I heard you. that. Very naughty. I'm about to go squat on the extract point. Who threw a bangor? It's a mystery. It could be anyone really. Don't worry, the helmet came through a wall at the AAR.

Must have been that Chad guy. There we go. The one that Pat wanted to slowly enter. All right, good work team. Oh, that's cold bored. All right, we'll get rid of the no shoots to simplify things a little bit. No, keep them. Come on them. You want them?

I mean, look, man, I mean, make it difficult. Like, don't make it easy on us. Are you calling me simple, boy? We got, we got, like, ten. How many people do we have, like, eight and nine people in here, so? Two of us aren't playing. We're just offering color commentary. Two obligatory hecklers.

You know, a gallery. third, but he won't wake up. Don't want to need some sign language commentary for the hearing impaired? I mean, I can, but most of it won't be right. I'll just start throwing up random gang signs. There are a second fat boy.

Isn't that what sign language is, though? It's like just ganges. Kind of. Different things, yeah. Yeah, how do you know they're not talking crap about you the whole time? Exactly. You know?

That's why you break their fingers so they can't talk to any more shit. well you can break their fingers and they're still going to talk shit I mean you have to break their mouth if you don't want them to talk right so who's your brakes they can't talk is it the deaf or the Italians oh I resemble that remark

mamma mia glad we finally have another Italian hero coming to the green screen the silver screen Mario my boy I do a quick shout out not a sponsor or anything

but I remember The famous Italian actor, Chris Prack. Great. Man that became the thing he most hated. Oh, so? You're back? Yeah, back. All right. I was going to sit before is also, like, my favorite things to throw out

for the things I absolutely hated eating, those goddamn hoo-a bars. Oh, hey, Jack. Yeah. I'll take a look real fast. What's up? Follow me? Oh, fuck. I forgot my eye, bro. Sorry.

Come up. This is proved. Follow the black light. What what why am I telling you? Why? Oh yeah Going to the F-Shack, dude What's over here? Take up.

Oh, snap. Dirty biking the boys. Look at that. What are those handsome blue eyes? That salt and pepper beard? Dave, those are piercing blue eyes, Dave. Piercing blue eyes. It's you.

No, no, they're piercing. They're piercing. I look at them. It's like they're looking right through me. If he did blue steel right now, if he did blue steel right now, he would be like... Dave, come over here and look, and you will agree, you will agree that they're blue.

Get closer, get closer, really looking to them. Yeah, really look into them. Dave, look in the game. Look. It's like they're gazing right through you. They're also scratching sniff. They smell like free. Look, I'm a good looking motherfucker.

I don't... I'm a motherfucker. I'm just not famous. That's a beautiful man. That's a beautiful man. Yeah. It's a beautiful man. Can Dave give us a blue steel?

Yeah. Real quick. My blue steel is fucking badass. Yeah. Yeah. Dave is a little bit one. Dave looks like to review. I look right off into the distance.

I'm looking at the distance. Dude, you went there up to ventment. Yeah. All we need to do is put on this black beret. All right. Tandy dropper. I'm going back. I have my tigers on.

Hold on. I'm going to get, I'm going to get, uh, I feel like I need, I need to get my top tigers on, too. You know who would be proud. Jesus Christ. Jason born. All right. Where am I? Here we go.

Hey, bro. Actually, as one of the tops you have to add is a button up Hawaiian. tricks come on bro there we go even boo I would like some wire shirt I got my top tigers on all right bros where are we going you tell us team leader uh let's go to side street everyone follow bravo one or just do whatever you want I don't really mind I'm going to be dead in 30 seconds anyway so don't put it like that it'll be 40 seconds all right 40 40 40 43 43 I'm a little pessimistic today

oh right out the gate Pritz isn't here and George doesn't have his peak cam I'm trying to wake Chris up I'm on your high at the truck don't stand up he's off being richer than you good shoot guys have they added in the ability

to the enemy to see visible losers yet or is that just that only flashlights yeah you guys you're turning the handle on the We're looking pretty good. I'm pushed left in taxi. Sugar's on the roof.

Two down. All right, I'm gonna move towards the building. Up up. Hey, Solie. Yeah. You have Captain Lispie's phone number, right? Just send him a text message. Oh, yeah.

Captain Lispie. Whoa. Holy shit. That was a massacre. He's what is that! He's not in here! That's how it works. I got to send a tactical text message.

What? Over a sniper or? Yeah. We need a help over here. Civilians. I got some... Jack, I think we might be drawing our age or some of these cops. There's some messy shit going on here. Behind us.

I'm sorry, they all look guilty. They look guilty? Yeah. No, Jack, you're going on the megaphone and get to order them to disperse. They were in a gaggle fuck with the terrorists smoking and joking. Like, I mean, of course they're in cahoots. So they're like kind of complicit? Yeah.

All right. Guilt by association. You go first. I don't go first. So, uh, we all agree if they were just playing a hospital and back. Oh, that's one. Okay. There's somebody inside here.

So watch your fire one. on the roof, don't smoke me, please. All right, so, so what's this ball playing going to be, Captain Lispie or squeaked? My wife calls him lizards, because there's an old, there's an old vine of hey guys,

these are pictures of my lizards. And my wife says that's exactly what he sounds like. Oh, oh, someone already came through here. Civilians. We're parking. Intel near me.

These guys... Evel, evil. The brick building is clear. Oh, hey. Whiskey. Oh, I thought it was Dave there. Okay, I'm good. Yeah, but then again, that's just going to talk.

Oh, oh, come on. Don't do Dave like that. He's been through enough. Bum brush activated. There was a bunch of elbows at us. Got the intel. Standard New York City. Is the subway on the plane also?

Fuck ass vests. They need hobos. I don't know if the subway is in play right now, actually. Could be if we were able to spawn there. Oh, you did? Oh. I got to check my iPad first. I'm going the wrong way.

That would probably be why. The fellas are still over here, rapping. You guys should see. The team house, it just goes on and on. They're over here. It goes on and on my friends. Yeah, where do you like? or not.

Never runs. All right. So is the subway part of this map? Watching your left cell and I'm going on the street. Yeah. Oh, yeah, six. Yeah, it is. Just for insurance.

Crossing. Yep. I'm moving to a taxi. Hold in at taxi. On you on the taxi. Any of you guys could do the subway? Mouse. Okay.

Pust. Ox truck moving to Jersey barriers. I think everybody's at extract except for Jack. Oh, shit. Okay. I'm just running around like an idiot. No, man. All right.

I'm coming. It's just the movie seals in 2002. This is the same subway station that he uses to go home, so. It's like the Jackalift in New York City. Should actually have them check the street signs to see if it looks familiar. Well, on. Why are you guys here where Jack lives white violin per sec? Come on, bro.

I'm coming. Put him on blast like that shit. Don't tase me, bro. I'm coming. I'm coming. We don't run in. Careful, this is the only time. I see a green gray do party out.

Oh. Fuck you. There you are. Some of us were a dive team, okay? It adds extra buoyancy, sard. All right. that's it i'm driving out to north carolina fuck you sloid boys good work

don't know why you're driving in north carolina but go off king there if you want to fight the subway we can fight the subway oh wait that's right you're in bama fucking metro card well the reason he's going to north carlina is he has to go you know hire some third some third group guys because well they're going to be out of work soon

yeah I'm ready to roll with my clash yeah jack I don't know if you'll see my comments in the old live stream, but I was asking, like, why isn't your character just pull out his 19-11 start pistol weapon people who aren't cooperating? Well, there it is. It's right there. It's right there.

He's only going to pistol with people because the damn thing's jammed. Listen. Well, I mean, like, it's the 1930s. TSA wasn't a thing yet. Yeah, I mean, you know, listen, normally I carry a revolver because automatics are prone to jams. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. Fine.

Break out your Smith Model 10 and start a pistol looking. people. Or your police special. Or a registered magnum type of man. You're talking about the gun or below the bell? Both. Oh, it's P.K.M. time, gentlemen. Oh, man. Guys, I'm sorry, it took so long for me to get to the game, but I'm glad you're here.

We are here for our Lord and Savior. You say that. You say that. You know, exactly the price to put her out of a collection plate. Like church, we will Pass the collection plate around twice. Like a In fact you.

Hard you. Fucking asshole. Five to six round burst, you motherfucker. No, dude. I'm going sustained. Cyclic. Let's do it. What is this mutton to do?

How many of us are so like trashed we're going to make change in the plate? Oh, there's one down the hall. Or a check. Or no, my favorite one. I saw the rest of them. That's like some motherfucked gift cards. This is not.

Patience, bros. Drag out. Drag out. I heard of a dude dropping like a drop like a collection plate before. Hold on. They'll come back. They'll come back. Hold on.

All right. I'm going to flash again. We'll push train side. Go. Hold on. You guys actually coordinating movement? Holy shit. Yeah, like we know what we're doing is some shit.

Don't nobody know what we're doing. I know. I know what we're doing. My unit. Stuck my unit. Is there anybody actually clearing the train? No, no, no, no. Oh, no, no.

Oh, man. Oh, man. What are the people in the server? Don't know how to clear train. A lot of the train, a different story. I heard that's a thing. I'm going to pick a piss, guys. I'll be right back.

Ah. Hey, Jack, you're at there. You got it. You got it. Where's that before you were there? Oh, but he's. I think they demonstrated on him. Oh.

That was embarrassed. Wait, who's dead on the ground? That's a restricting. That could have been anybody, really. Get this, man. Wow. Well, hold on me. Any requests?

Any map suggestions? Let's run the airplane one, because I like airplane. Ooh, me. Okay. Don't forget to add a random person. Looks like Cyrus of virus to the airplane map. Well, no. what they need to do is make an airplane map in the Bahamas and have random jihadists show up.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. How'd it be like actual airplane, the movie, random characters. Do Nick Cage shows up, little con-air action? Yeah, so that's a little bit of the actual movie. That me like the actual movie from the 80s, airplane. I'm tired of these motherfucking snakes on the motherfucking plane. MP5s and revolvers like the GIG. Oh, Jesus.

Low key, I do kind of show one. I know Barreto's importing them in very small numbers, but I do want the Manruin's MR-73. All of those guns are snacks. But, man, they're what, $6,000 or some shit? 35 to 4. Yeah, he less $3,500 to 4. Carlos, the board.

Oh, shit. Right, right, right, right, right. That is still on my list. Almost a decade later is getting a six gun. Are we doing an airplane? Oh, you bet. What time, mid-morning? I'm good.

I got the right guns. Jack, your mouse sensitivity is way too high, man. He's not paid attention. It's just a pro-game remove, dude. Oh, Dave, Dave's here. Hey, Dave, you need to give us blue steel. Look in the camera. Give us a blue steel look.

Your mouse sensitivity is way too, like, it's all good. No, it's not. your mouth whack your keyboard whack where are you I don't open the door

I'm tired this way Dave this way Dave oh shit we have a legit ground branch you're in the ground branch yo yo it all comes around

click on one of these insertion points is all right that's how you're going to go is it this pregame lobby based on his key mouse

how do I decrease your mouse sensitivity Who way? I'm trying, man. You're good, you're on. No, your mouth sends a dude. What do I do? We're still playing with cities. Hey, Rowley.

Check DM. Negative. There should be no hostages on this one. Raj, full kill. All right, boys, you push up, I got cover. Jeez. Already going hard to paint that you take. You're all over the tarmac, right side.

My cuss, yes. I'm here for the moral school. So W moves forward, shift is to run. Do you hear at this, right?