The Team House - From Delta Operator to Professional Mercenary | Dale Comstock | Ep. 151

Episode Date: June 25, 2022

Dale Comstock was the youngest operator in Delta Force when he joined from the 82nd Airborne and was the master breacher on the military's first successful hostage rescue mission, Operation Acid Gambi...t which rescued Kurt Muse from the clutches of Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega. Comstock's adventures didn't end when he retired from the Army just before 9/11. He went on the serve as a paramilitary contractor in Afghanistan and then went on to become a mercenary in places like Yemen. On this episode we're going to focus on Dale's post Army life as a security contractor, mercenary, and bodyguard. Today's Sponsors: SAP Gear (Stately Asset Protection) https://SAPGEAR.com Veteran-owned company, Stately Asset Protection’s retail store specializes in handmade and unique survivability products. Use the code “TEAM” for 15% off your order! https://SAPGEAR.com For all bonus content including: -2 bonus episodes per month -Access to ALL bonus segments with our guests -Ad Free audio feed Subscribe to our Patreon!👇 https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Team House merch: https://teespring.com/stores/my-store-10474963 Social Media: The Team House Instagram: https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_link The Team House Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePod Jack’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_link Jack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21 Dave’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/dave_parke?s=21 Team House Discord: https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6 SubReddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTeamHouse/ Jack Murphy's memoir "Murphy's Law" can be found here: https://www.amazon.com/Murphys-Law-Journey-Investigative-Journalist/dp/1501191241 The Team Room Reading Room (Amazon Affiliate links): https://jackmurphywrites.com/the-team-room-reading-room/ Intro music by https://www.youtube.com/user/RemixSample Want to sponsor the show? Email: 👇 theteamhousepodcast@gmail.com #deltaforce #jsoc #mercenaryBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Yeah, if you're going to give us a great review, please do. And if you're going to give us a not-so-good review, why don't you just send us an email and we'll talk about it. Special Operations. Covert Ops, espionage, the Team House, with your hopes, Jack Murphy, and David Park. Hey, everyone, welcome to episode 151 of The Team House. I'm Jack Murphy here with David Park, D, over in that direction, producing. We're very excited here to be with our guest, Dale Comstock. Dale is somebody who has done a little bit of everything, kind of done it all in life.
Starting point is 00:02:08 Dale has served in the 82nd Airborne in Special Forces, served as a Delta operator. I believe, Dale, you were the youngest operator in the unit at the time when you graduated selection. This guy participated in Operation Acid Gambit, the Kurt Mews hostage rescue mission in Panama. that was the first successful military hostage rescue operation historically that our country's ever done. Dale served in the Gulf War, served as a team sergeant. And then he retired and went on to become a paramilitary contractor, had further adventures over in Afghanistan, which we're going to talk about a little bit in a moment. And then, you know, Dale, he wrote a memoir called American Badass.
Starting point is 00:02:53 He thought this was kind of his sunset book. going to fade away into the ether after we finished this book. But instead, crazy things kept happening to him in places like Yemen, Hong Kong, Singapore, and even in Hollywood. So we're going to talk a lot about Dale's sort of post-service military career. There's a lot more to Dale. I think you should go read American Badass if you want to hear more about his military career. We're going to kind of talk about his post-service, post-military career and get into some of the things that he's doing today and some of the books he's working on. So Dale, thank you so much for joining us from Bali tonight. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me. It's pleasure. Yeah, absolutely, man.
Starting point is 00:03:38 So sticking with that theme, that little intro that I went off on, I was wondering if you could start off telling us some stories about Barja Matal in Afghanistan. I believe you were part of a very small group of people that got sent up into, I mean, that was really bad guy country and the terrain just vicious up in that part of Afghanistan. Yeah, so there were actually three fobs up there, and each fob, I believe, had a roughly about a platoon, a platoon plus element occupying this fob. Earlier, a couple months earlier, one of the fobs had been overrun, and one of the encampments had been overrun.
Starting point is 00:04:21 And I think there was a total of nine casualties. Nine Americans were killed. A lot of Afghanis, of course, Taliban. And so the decision was made to pull out the other outposts, the other two outposts that were up there, and one of them was, you know, Barge Batal. And the way I can discuss, so we were asked by U.S. Mill
Starting point is 00:04:42 if we could bring our guys in to help support their withdrawal. So what they were going to do is, like literally in the course of three days they were going to literally take everything out of this camp and extract it So the camp was In a valley with nothing about high ground all the way around it. And it was as you point out it was some really rugged terrain it kind of reminded me I remember landing at night one time thinking man this feels like the jungles of Panama You know very wooded very humid very you know rough terrain
Starting point is 00:05:17 rain, but they were sitting right down in this little, in this little tiny valley, man. And the camp was probably 150 meters square, maybe. It was very small. It had one little HLZ in the middle that could support one helicopter landing on it. That was it. And this platoon had been there for at least a year already, and they got no break, man. They were literally every day in gun fights. They couldn't even leave the wire to go patrol.
Starting point is 00:05:47 and they were constantly on defense. They were getting hammered down there. And so the decision was made, we got to pull them out. But they couldn't just bring in helicopters. The guys would load up everything and fly away because as soon as the helicopters would come in, they would be in contact. So the plan was for us, me and my guys are flying in.
Starting point is 00:06:09 They actually brought us in. We flew in on some of my 17th, and we had two lifts. We went in. I think it was probably a total of about 30 of us, me and two other Americans, and then the rest of Afghans. And we flew in the middle of the night, roughly around 10, 11 o'clock at night, got out, met with the commander, and basically he explained to us what the mission was. Basically, what they wanted us to do was go outside the wire and patrol the area around the base camp. And basically, just keep the bad guys back, keep them engaged.
Starting point is 00:06:46 so that the soldiers within the camp could load their gear. They were going to bring in some helicopters. They were going to load up. They actually had a Humvee there, too. I don't know how they got that there and why they were used to it, but they had Humvee. They were going to take that out. They were just going to load up these aircraft.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Of course, for three days and just keep lifting everything else, lifting everything else out of the camp. And hopefully within 72 hours, the camp will be evacuated. In the meantime, our job was to go out there and make contact with the bad guys and keep them back. so this operation could take place. Well, I remember that night we arrived, we met with the captain,
Starting point is 00:07:23 told him what we're going to go do. We refitted, and then we went out the wire. And our mission was to go up the road about maybe four or five kilometers. There was a madras up there, and the Taliban used that as a staging base. Basically, they would link up there, you know, get on their war paint and shit,
Starting point is 00:07:43 and then, you know, they would launch their assaults there. So we were just going to go meet on there at the matrosa and get it on. So as we leave the wire, we're walking at the road. It's relatively dark. And then all of a sudden, the first CH-47 is flying in. It's going to land. They're going to load it. And then it's going to take off with its supply. Well, as the helicopter was coming in to a very slow and low hover, there was a Taliban on the other side of the wire with an RPG and guess what he does he shoots it down and it crashes into the fucking camp and so yeah onto the only HLZ they got right so bam it slams into the deck
Starting point is 00:08:27 the round went through the floor of the helicopter it actually took off the leg of one of the crew chiefs so now we got a disabled helicopter sitting inside the camp they can't get it out they can't do anything with it can't bring in more helicopter can't medevac the guys out and then the firefight started so we turned around and you could just see green tracers coming down from the high ground red traces going up you know and there's a full on firefight man and so we're standing and going okay well what do we do do we try to go back and support them but then we knew that would be a problem because trying to reenter you know friendly forward lines you know we're going to get caught in a crossfire there's going to be a there's going to be drama
Starting point is 00:09:09 with that right so we realized okay okay, there's nothing we can do out here. Let the Army, let the military deal with those guys. And then we're going to continue mission. So we go up the road, we make it to the madrasa, and it's a dry hole. There's nothing there. So we're like, okay, let's move it on up, push up in about another four kilometers. There's another village up there.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Again, we know this is all Taliban country. And so we go up there. As we're crossing the bridge, we get word that we got squatters going out the other side of the of the village. So anyways, they clear the village to get away. Nothing happened. We come back that morning. The fire fight's over and, you know, we refit, regrouped, and why we got this issue with this helicopter sitting in the camp. Now what are we going to do? So what was really interesting was, and I didn't know this, but apparently the armies, they have pilots that are specially trained to fly crippled aircraft.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Right. So what they did is they brought this one badass pilot, man, and they roped them in a fast rope. And his job was to go down there and start that aircraft and fly it out of there. Wow. You know, broken haul, man. Yeah, I didn't know that. I was like, damn, this guy's got some balls, man. One guy, man, that's his job, right?
Starting point is 00:10:30 And so when they brought him in, they roped him in and then they brought a bunch of fast movers came flying in and basically was strafing the hillsides to keep the bad guys down while this guy was, you know, turning knobs and pulling the leverage and cranking this thing up. He actually got it out of there. He actually flew this broken helicopter out of HLZ. He cleared it up for us. So we decide, okay, the next night will continue mission. And we decided, okay, let's go, I forget the direction, but I think
Starting point is 00:11:02 it was west. We said we're going to go west. There's a village about six kilometers away. We know Taliban stages out of there also. And so we're just going to go down there and, you know, set up an ambush, knowing they're going to come and hit the camp that night, and we're just going to ambush them. So we take off. And I remember we're walking around this ridge line. It's really steep, man.
Starting point is 00:11:22 I mean, really steep. And we're walking on a goat trail that was maybe 18 inches, 24 inches wide. It was real muddy and slippery. There's a lot of water running down. And we'll wear night vision goggles. It's pitch black. There's a lot of trees. And we're cruising along, cruising along, and then all of a sudden I hear my interpreter behind me fall off the cliff, right?
Starting point is 00:11:45 And he falls like maybe, I don't know, 20, 25, 30 feet down the side of this cliff, right? And he lands on the little ledge down there. And I could hear him, you know, making, you know, huffing the puffing sounds and stuff. And I turn out and look down and I see him and I see what looks like just his whole face is like black. And the black was actually blood. I would wear nine vision goggles. So it looked, you know, it was dark black, but it was all blood. And he knocked his teeth out. His teeth were sticking out through his lips, his gums and stuff. And I looked at his name was HD. We call him HD for Harley Davidson.
Starting point is 00:12:20 He loved Harley Davidson, even though he'll never own one. That was his thing, you know. So we always call him HD. I go, HD, you okay? Yes, sir. I'm okay. Yes, sir, yes, sir. I'm like, you don't look good. And so we finally, we pull him up. And I'm looking at him like, holy shit, dude, you're a mess. And then he begins to explain to me how that was the first night he ever wore night vision goggles. So are you kidding me? This is the first time you've been out of operation and you're wearing MVGs on a goat trail.
Starting point is 00:12:53 And I'm like, holy shit, man. What were you thinking, dude? And so anyways, you know, he fell off the cliff because he couldn't see because he didn't use, He didn't know how to use night vision goggles properly. And so we're sitting there and we had a Navy medic with us and bring him back, Corman. And he's kind of patching up, you know, HD. And then while we're sitting there, we're looking with the thermals, we could see. So we're on this ridgeline.
Starting point is 00:13:20 We could see directly across to another ridge line about 250, 300 meters across from us. And we notice a small fire burning. And so. Hold on for a second. Hey. I got my maid in here. She's cleaning and talking to my employees. So anyway, so we see this fire burning,
Starting point is 00:13:45 and we're looking and look and look and go, okay, that looks really suspicious, man. Well, it turns out it was 12 Taliban. And what they were doing, they were one terrain feature away from the camp. So what they were doing is staging there, what they're going to do, It'd get all spun up and then come around and hit the camp that night from that position.
Starting point is 00:14:05 So that was their MSS basically, the support site. And so, anyways, so we call for close air support, and there happens to be, I think it was the F-15 on station. He had a couple of J-Dams with him, and he was quite a ways out. You could even hear the aircraft. So we said, hey, you, this is us. you know we we think we identify a Taliban location we give him the location he's looking using his optics and like I said he was so far out you couldn't even hear the guy you had no idea he was on station but he could actually see he's actually counting he goes yeah you got
Starting point is 00:14:45 12 guys armed AK 47 weapons systems blah blah blah blah and he's in detail describing these guys like holy shit so we're like all right well send him to Allah man and so the guy releases a thousand pound j-dam and uh the time of flight was 45 seconds and when he released it he said yeah it's in round we actually lays the target for him and uh and you never heard the aircraft you never even heard the j-dam until it went off and when it went off all you saw was pieces and parts flying through the air arms and legs make k-47 we we kept it all all on uh infrared video and uh we kind of watched it the next day it reveled over it but so so we did that and so we're like okay mission accomplished we don't need to go all the way to the village we go back and then uh the next day
Starting point is 00:15:33 these guys got the ass i guess decided it was time for some payback so they come rolling around there again some more of them and it happened to be an op uh lp op up on the on the high ground and a bunch of privates up there with uh m 240 240 2 49 and edges unleashed and killed another 12 killed another 12 in broad daylight coming around there so we smoked quite a few guys in a couple days we were there and uh we ended up you know getting everybody out, every last man out, get all the equipment out, and was able to withdraw within the 72 hours anyways, in spite of a shot down helicopter in the compound. So, but it was really, you know, looking back at that, it's like, man,
Starting point is 00:16:11 these guys were living hardcore, you know, little poncho hoot just for a year, sleeping in the mud, they had no Wi-Fi, no TV. They had nothing, man. They were living in really rough field conditions for a year, and they're fighting it out every day. I'm like, man, that's, you know, that's so hardcore shit there. But I'm glad to get them out there because, man, they were taking a beating, and they were pretty much combat ineffective.
Starting point is 00:16:36 They couldn't leave the wire. They're just sitting ducks, you know, and getting pock shots at them. But that was an interesting mission. It was a lot of fun. We went pretty fast. And, but, you know, we got her down and got everybody out there. So, unfortunately, the other camp, we didn't deal with the other camp, but the first camp, they took some serious casualties up there.
Starting point is 00:16:57 I remember when that firefight happened, it was a big deal. And these three FOVs were the northernmost U.S. mill camps in Afghanistan. There was nothing else up there. I mean, they were way out there, too. I mean, really tough terrain to get to. You know, like I said, the helicopter is the only way you get in and out of there. And they shot down the one helicopter to the HLZ. It could have been worse, man.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Yeah. I could just imagine it had this thing, you know, disintegrated in the compound, you know, maybe, you know, killed a bunch of men or something, you know, and hit fuel dumps. You know, it could have been a disaster, man. But it all worked out. Like I said, I was really impressed with the pilot. I didn't know they had guys like that. It's like that guy's got a pair of balls like a bull, man.
Starting point is 00:17:40 You're going to come in there and you're going to rope him in at night. And he's going to get a cockpit and start pushing button to pull the levers. And, you know, praying to God, just thing flukes out of there, you know. And he did it, man. He actually did it. So pretty cool. You know, Dale, that's actually, you know, you mentioned these FOBs, and that's something, and for those of you don't know, it's just a forward operating base. It's, you know, a little camp out in the middle of nowhere generally.
Starting point is 00:18:03 But, you know, we've talked about how special ops is really, you know, everybody loves the sexy mission of special ops. But these conventional forces were out there, like at these remote places or on these lawn patrols mixing it up all the time. And they really don't get the credit that they deserve. no that's true man it's true um i was up in the coringol also and so you had a bunch of uh phopies in that area same thing those guys were getting pounded every day man um coringol was probably it was regarded as most dangerous place on the planet at that time and it wasn't if you're going to get in contact it was winning how bad um but if you go up into coringall you're going to get smacked you know and there was there were guys up there every day you know those slinging lead with
Starting point is 00:18:54 other with the bad guys, you know. So, yeah, you're right, man. They're out there. They're doing it, you know, and they're living in some hardcore conditions, you know. And it sucks. But on one hand, you know, I mean, I kind of live for that, man. Yeah, right, right. Of course you do.
Starting point is 00:19:15 Dale, it's, I recall, I mean, you retired from the Army, like, just before 9-11. And, I mean, I don't think there was any way that it like you was going to miss the war on terror. You did find a way, of course, obviously, to deal your way into the action. I remember you once telling me that you actually went out on ops by yourself a few times with the engage,
Starting point is 00:19:36 which I thought was pretty cool. I mean, what was this experience like, I guess we're going to say OGA, what was that like by comparison to your military experience? It was, I'm going to say it was better because, one, I was entrusted with,
Starting point is 00:19:54 a lot of men and a lot of money and mission right so you know i mean i was literally downrange i i only can describe it like colonel kurtz up the river in apocalypse now you know there were there were times i was up the river at a camp with me maybe one or two other americans maybe and uh you know with anywhere from 50 to 500 you know afghan mercenaries and uh especially even in the in the beginning of the war, you know, I had a lot of latitude just to get the job done, you know. I can remember walking into the camp, to the base, um, Austin, talking to the chief there, going, hey, man, I'm going to take the guys out tonight. We go down the road. I'm going to hit that target back tomorrow morning. And he's like, okay. And he's out there. He's painting and shit. You know,
Starting point is 00:20:43 he's doing, he's like doing some weird jobs, you know. It's like, yeah, okay, yeah, just don't get nobody hurt, you know, let me know what happens tomorrow morning. Like, yeah, watch that. And I'd go do my thing, you know, and, uh, he's doing my thing, you know, and, uh, he's doing. And, uh, And there was no, you know, there was no oversight. People just trusted me, you know, and they knew that, you know, I was able to do the right thing to fight the war on terror and to beat the bad guys or whatever it took. And which was really cool, man, to have that kind of, given that kind of responsibility and had that kind of trust to go do that. And there were times, you're right, as the war went on, I worked with some of the same guys a lot. You know, they trusted me. I took care of them. You know, I, I mean, I treated, they were my soldiers, but I treated them with respect, with dignity. You know, I cared about them in their lives as well as their families. And so, you know, I did what I thought a leader's supposed to do, you know. Unfortunately, you know, this is going to, I'm going to say it, but a lot of guys don't get it, particularly, you know, in the Navy. You know, they're working with the N-Dage, and I say the Navy, I'm talking about particularly the SEALs. You know, they don't.
Starting point is 00:21:54 don't have that background of working with indigenous people. And Green Berets, as you know, Jack, both you guys, you know, that was our mission, man, is the win hearts and minds, train the indigenous to basically stand up on our own armies and to go fight for war. And that requires that we took care of our guys and we treated them with dignity with respect. We didn't treat them like dogs. We didn't talk shit to them. We didn't abuse them because that will come back and haunt you.
Starting point is 00:22:24 That will end you somewhere on the battlefield by your own men if you do that wrong. And so these other guys didn't get that. And I got countless stories about that. But anyways, that was my mission, was, you know, always do the right thing by my soldiers. And so I, look, I had the pay, you know, I had the checkbook. And, you know, if the guys did a really good job, it's like, you know, here you go. Here's a bonus to take the day off. Take two days off, in fact, you know.
Starting point is 00:22:49 You know, I took care of my guys that way because I knew that would, you know, the return would be huge on that down the road when I needed it. And I was right. So I had a platoon of guys that 42, in fact, that, you know, these guys, I would literally go out on operations by myself with them. Now I know I'm breaking, you know, I was breaking protocol and all kinds of rules, two-man rule, you know, as American, you got to go out with another American. But I got to the point with these guys that I trusted them so much.
Starting point is 00:23:17 We'd been out downrange so many times that, and I mean, I remember them telling me, you know, I remember one time they had a little formation and they're like, Mr. Dell, you know, we will never let anything happen to you. We will build a human wall around you. We will protect you with our lives. And I believe that, man, because I saw it, you know. And so I could go out downrange for two, three days at a time. Nobody knew where the hell I was at.
Starting point is 00:23:42 You know, I was everywhere in Afghanistan, out of the freaking middle of nowhere, you know. And we're going out and hitting targets and stuff, you know. And they could have easily, they could have easily let the air out of me out there somewhere and buried me. We don't know where he went, you know, but that never happened. And, you know, maybe I got lucky. I don't know, but I don't think so. I became very good friends with a lot of these guys, and particularly one of them. He was one of the commanders, young guy, but definitely a go-getter, man.
Starting point is 00:24:10 The whole platoon was, this particular platoon, was very different from your typical Afghan. They were more Western-oriented, their mindset, their personalities, you know, you could tell they love the West, they love the American way. And so they were different in that regard. But the commander had been around for a while, although he was young. His family had fought the Mujahideen. He had lost, you know, family members. And this guy was on the hit list, you know, Taliban wanted this guy because of who he was
Starting point is 00:24:44 and what he was in charge of. And I was always afraid that, you know, when we pull out as Americans, this guy is going to get smoked. he's going to kill him, man, you know, him and his family. And so one day I just never showed back up. I'd been going to the same camp for about almost 18 months. And then I got reassigned because it was a problem at another camp. And it had to do with, you know, the American-Afghan interaction, you know, poor leadership, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And I kind of got sent out there to try to, you know, fix this situation. So I never got to go back and see, you know, the commander and never saw him after that. And then long after I got out, I always wondered what happened to him. You know, I'm like, man, I'm afraid that, you know, he's going to get killed one day. And so lo and behold, I get a message on Facebook. So I was always operating under, you know, a fake name, fake everything. You know, nobody knew my real name. And this guy had found me on Facebook.
Starting point is 00:25:46 And he's messaging me. And he's like, hey, man, he goes, me. and my family are now in the United States, you know, he had five boys and a daughter, I think, and his wife, they all made it to the States, made to Virginia, got a job, you know, people took care of them, you know, but they got him a special beast that got him out of there because they recognized that this guy is going to get, he's going to get killed, man, no doubt, he's going to get killed when Americans left. And you know, look at what happened, man. I mean, let's look what happened last August, right? Here we go. How many people got killed, you know, how many people
Starting point is 00:26:17 were still getting killed, you know? I guarantee you he would have been one of those guys, man. In fact, some of my guys were killed. Some of my guys, they basically, I think it was a total of 13. It was the last stand for them, man. They literally fought to the last bullet and they got killed, you know, trying to keep the Taliban wave back. So I know it's, I know what it would happen and it was going to happen to him.
Starting point is 00:26:42 He beat the odds and got out of there. He lived in the United States. I actually just saw him about two years. ago which was really cool but but yeah this you know I would go out with these guys you know on a regular basis by myself you know and I trusted them and it is what it is you know we've got the job done and I kind of had a different perspective you know you know I remember the guy that shot down a Turban 3 3 okay he was a young guy in fact and we got intel one day that he had arrived at one of the local villages and we knew he was there and I'm like, great,
Starting point is 00:27:22 let's go get this guy. But my unit, the Afghans had been, basically they've been stood down, right, because of this issue I mentioned earlier with seals and there was a rift is what happened. And it wasn't the Afghan's fault. That was what I found out later on. So anyways, but nonetheless, they were told, stand down for six months. We trained this, blah, blah, blah. Now we got this guy, for you know shot down turban 3 3 right down like two kilometers away and I'm like man let me take the boys let's go get to this guy this guy was on the top of HVT list if he was right up there everybody wanted this guy and I remember I was told no because the guys aren't they're not operational and I go the hell they're not operation I'm
Starting point is 00:28:04 running these guys I'm telling you they're operational this is easy roll on a row we get the guy would come back right and they just they just said no kept saying no and I'm Look, you hired me as a contractor. All right. I got all these skills. I said, then I'll go. You pay me a lot of money. Let me just go.
Starting point is 00:28:21 If I don't come back, I don't come back. You know, but at least send me, man. You know, I was mission-oriented. These guys were risk-averse. And it got that way, you know, as you know, later on in the war, you know, everybody became risk-averse. Nobody was interested to win in the war. It just became, you know, it became. Check the block.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Check the block, right? So I remember at some of the camps I'm at, we've got literally, we've got these case officers, these logistics officers, you know, from Paris Embassy, from Europe. And we call them combat tourists, as you know, right? They're there, check the block, you know. I was in combat when they never left the damn wire. And they didn't even have a damn firearm on them, you know. It just turned into a total bullshit.
Starting point is 00:29:07 That war should have been over a long time ago, but it just turned into a self-looking ice cream for a lot of people, you know. And sadly, it is what it is. But that's why I left in 2011. I just had enough. And I thought, Jesus Christ, you know, I'm going to get killed for what? For nothing. And I was right.
Starting point is 00:29:24 I was right. Look what happened, man. Look what happened. All these men are dead. Women are dead for nothing. Nothing happened. You know, nothing. We killed UBL a long time ago.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Why we were still there then? You know, it's all bullshit. Dale, like you said, you left in 2011 from, as far as contracting for our government. You kind of thought you were going to, I mean, you did go into television a little bit, started making some inroads on Hollywood. You thought kind of like your soldiering days were behind you from some of the things you've said. But then in the sequence of events, I mean, what was it the Hong Kong gig that came first?
Starting point is 00:30:07 So, yeah, so what happened was I literally got discovered by Discovery Channel, right? kind of weird. And so they, you know, they said, you know, we'd like for your try out. It was a TV show called One Man Army. And I thought, well, could that be kind of cool? Do that. Be kind of like closing the chapter to my military, paramilitary career, you know. And I thought it'd be kind of a cool way to go out, do a little TV show.
Starting point is 00:30:30 And so I did. And I got selected. And so I did, I guess I did pretty well on that show. And then I got a call about six months later from NBC, said, hey, we liked what we saw. on Discovery, would you be interested in trying out for this TV show, which was Stars and Stripes? As I understand it, there were about 10,000 applicants that tried out for that show. I was one of eight, along with Chris Kyle and a couple of other guys are on the show, to actually get selected. It was a lot of interviews.
Starting point is 00:31:04 I'd actually fly out to Universal Studios and do an on-site interview in front of the cameras. Again, I did pretty well. and so I got selected and there I was. Now I'm doing the Hollywood thing and then that turned into other people started noticing me wanted to meet with me. In fact I went out with
Starting point is 00:31:24 so I became really good friends with Terry Cruz still ended up this day and Eva Torres the WWE wrestler she invited me to come out to an event so I went out there while I was out there I got approached by some people that knew of me actually one of them was a former student of mine and said we'd like to talk to you and so okay we do and it's a production company they're they're pretty right wing out of Dallas and I said we need a poster boy we want to make a a conservative production company we want to invite veterans to come out and participate in Hollywood events things like that we want to be more we want to do more right leading stuff than left leading stuff and we need I you the poster boy so I was all in and
Starting point is 00:32:09 And started networking, going to a lot of producers. You know, I just started getting around in Hollywood is what was happening. And they were trying to pitch some TV shows for me. I ended up on a few shows. You know, so this whole thing was starting to grow some legs. And a couple years out into it, there's some other weird stuff that happened. I'm not, yeah, I probably shouldn't share it today. But there was some other really weird stuff started happening, right?
Starting point is 00:32:36 Little did I know that not only am I a poster boy, but I'm actually a prop for a bigger for government agency. Let's put that way. So there's a very huge Chinese and Russian presence in Hollywood. They own everything. So I'll let you put it all together. Next thing I know, I'm like, why are you guys giving me all this cash? And I'm not signing for anything, you know, and on a regular basis.
Starting point is 00:33:01 And what am I doing here again? You know, just do your thing. You know, be the Hollywood guy. You know, you're networking. Okay, and I didn't ask you any questions. But it got really weird, really weird after a while. And then I realized, holy shit, man, I'm in another spy versus spy fucking movie and don't even know it yet. And so anyways, after a couple of years, I was asked to move to Hollywood to live out there.
Starting point is 00:33:29 I was told I could be the next Danny Trejo. I could be on all kinds of TV shows. And I had to do a little thinking, man. I was like, man, is this who I really am? Is this me? You know, because I don't like these people, man, for the most part. You know, they're different culture, different mindset. You know, I'm used to actually be an action guy and not pretending to be an action guy, you know.
Starting point is 00:33:52 And so that kind of ended up, I ended up moving to Hong Kong. And I was working over there running a security detail for a multibillionaire investment banker, which is okay. It's kind of cool. I was living downtown one child. Hong Kong. Dale, um,
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Starting point is 00:36:46 That's why Child and Family Resource Network focuses on connecting pregnant parents and those with kids under the age of five with free support services to help them build confidence in their parenting journey. Everyone deserves to have someone they can turn to for support with parenting. Visit child and family resource network.org today. So Dale, back to you. You were working for an investment banker in Hong Kong. That was the deal. Yeah, so I was protecting it.
Starting point is 00:37:14 I was running a security detail. I was one of the guys running the security detail. So, you know, I ended up falling into that. A couple things happened that plumped. Besides the Hollywood thing, not, you know, I wasn't interested, started losing interest in it. The other thing that happened was I had sold another one of my, my company. So I've owned several companies. I've sold them to G4S, Wack and HUD. I sold this other
Starting point is 00:37:37 company in 2011 to another company. I was running this company out of my office at home for about two years, making it off of $23,000 a month just sitting in my office. And anyways, that went south. And it didn't go south because I was sitting in my office. It went south because the investors were doing their job. But nonetheless, I decided to pull a pitch and get out of there. ended up in Hong Kong and then that's actually where I met my wife she's Indonesian and she went back to Indonesia I went back to the state and then eventually I went to Indonesia you know chasing drawers that's what that's what we do right and so so I went over to meet her and and started looking around and started realizing there's business opportunities so I'm actually talking to you right now
Starting point is 00:38:22 from Bali that's why my office is in Bali Indonesia but we decided you know hey there's some business opportunities here relative to security, canines, blah, blah, blah, and my wife has started our business here. And we've been in Bali. I've lived in Indonesia now almost seven years, I think, and I've been in Bali over four and a half years. And we're running explosive detector dogs, patrol attack dogs, narcotic detector dogs for like all the Marriottes properties and the local venues here. So it's pretty cool gig. You know, I get to play with my dogs and make money off of them too, you know. And, you know, we did really well here right up until COVID, you know, took our legs out from under us like everybody else.
Starting point is 00:39:06 It wasn't really COVID. It was all the freaking crooks that capitalized on it. But nonetheless, we're back and we're back in business and just signed another contract, signed two contracts. So, you know, we're back in business here. So that's how I ended up in Bali. I live here. I have a home in Florida as well. I also actually have another home in the Philippines.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Um, but, uh, so I kind of like live out of a suitcase. So with all that said, you would think that, okay, after the holly, you know, the Hong Kong field, that was kind of a cool gig. Um, kind of. Um, everybody thinks of being a bodyguard is like really, um, you know, really cool. I got to tell you, man, it sucks. All right. On one hand, you know, living in Hong Kong, that was the cool part, living in Hong Kong.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Okay. One of my favorite cities until the Chinese took back over. Um, but it's a really cool place. But be it the work of a body card is it sucks and I keep saying that but it actually sucks it's a good job for it's a good job for younger guys you know but it you know for guys like me it's like insulting in a lot of ways you know I so the pay was okay actually the pay has been really well I got paid very well and I'll share the story with you about LA here in a minute but going back to the Hong Kong deal so here I'm invests
Starting point is 00:40:28 you know, providing security for this really wealthy Chinese guy in his mid-50s, late 50s, married to a 32-year-old Mexican model, big old boobs on her, you know, good looking. Beautiful on the inside, but the ugliest person you'll ever meet on the inside. Oh, my God, man. She was horrible, man. And, you know, we all know what that was about. But anyways, it was a difficult job in that, you know, dealing with the client. they're just rich people suck okay that's another thing rich people suck and uh you know there's a reason they're rich and it's because they're really good at walking over a lot of other people man
Starting point is 00:41:07 to get there and and that's a fact i've got a lot of rich business partners rich friends rich clients i got one guy he's a billionaire owes me 450,000 dollars um yeah he's a billionaire and he screwed me out of four hundred fifty thousand dollars man so um kind of left a bad taste in my mouth these people and the lesson learned out of that is be your own boss be your own success story don't count on none of these other people man because everybody will take from you so i said earlier before the interview you know how mean mean and vile and nasty people really are i got some i got another story on that one too so anyways um i did this for a while um you know like i said it's it's kind of a thankless job you get paid but you're treated like shit you know um here i am a guy with a phd you
Starting point is 00:41:52 know, and I got another friend of mine, ready for this. He's a seal commander lawyer for Blackwater, and he's a bodyguard with me. And we got this 32-year-old client, you know, with one fucking live brain shell talking down to us. Like, we're little freaking kids. Like what the hell, you know? So that's what I mean by that. But, so I ended up doing all that. And then other things started happening.
Starting point is 00:42:16 I had an opportunity to go to Yemen. We've, you know, we've kind of talked about that in another episode. but basically while I was here, so the same company I was working for in Hong Kong, they're friends of mine. I worked for them in South Africa, Mexico. I did a lot of stuff for them contracting as a consultant, security consultant, bodyguard, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:42:40 So here's the story. So I'll go right in this one. This was kind of cool. So one night I'm in South Africa, sitting around the pool with a guy, the owner, his name, we'll call him AG. And A.G.
Starting point is 00:42:53 He's a pretty freaking hardcore, no shit kind of guy, man. He either likes you or he don't. If he don't like you, he'll let you know about it too. And so luckily, I was, you know, I was a good friend with the guy and got a little just fine with him. So we're in South Africa sitting around the pool one night. And he's like, Dale, he goes, he goes, how come you do all these other things? You know, why don't you just focus on security and, you know, you could be really good at that and make a lot of money, you know, why do you do this and do that?
Starting point is 00:43:25 Because at the time, I was, like, teaching as a professor for Henley Putnam University. I'm a journeyman. I just travel around doing weird jobs, right? Like going to Singapore and trading dogs. And I told him, I said, well, you know, I said, you know, I said, I got a lot of ex-wives out there need to get paid, you know. Fucking parasites, man, you know. I've got to pay them off all the time, you know. I got a lot of kids and shit, you know.
Starting point is 00:43:47 And so I say I go where the work is. I make my money. I said, I'm pretty happy because I get to travel. I get to do different things. I wear a different hat every day. And so it's not so bad. And he looks at me, he goes, man, he goes, what if I gave you $50,000 cash? He goes, would that help you?
Starting point is 00:44:03 And I thought about it. Yeah, of course it would help me, but I'm not taking it. And he wanted to give me $50,000 cash because he thought it would relieve some pressure, right? And so that I could focus on just, you know, security, for example. And I said, no, I said, you know what? I can't accept your money. I said, I don't take money. I don't earn.
Starting point is 00:44:23 And so we got to get an argument over the swimming pool, around the swimming pool. And he's like, well, he goes, tell me, Dale. He goes, you've done so much in your life. What's next? What are you going to do next? And I looked at him, I go, I want to be like you. He looked at me like, I go, what? And I go, yeah, I want to be like you.
Starting point is 00:44:37 I'm going to be some rich guy sitting around a fucking pool asking people what are they going to do with their lives, you know, giving them $50,000. So, you know, so we ended up part. ways that night went to our rooms and the next morning his partner calls me to the office and uh he goes hey ag left uh this morning went back home but you know he just put um 50 000 in your bank account and i was like what the hell man and so he goes you can't give it back we're not taking it back we don't want it back he goes listen he goes other people have helped us other veterans have come up and helped us when we needed it and he goes we want to do the same thing you know and uh i said well i
Starting point is 00:45:17 all that but I said I don't work for free so I said count this as paying you pay this forward so next time you have a project I said you call me I'll drop what I'm doing I'll come here wherever and go to work for you right you get your money back so that would even enough man then he put me on a seven thousand dollar month retainer for next six months like damn so I'm making I'm doing all right and and so then I leave and I end up going back to Indonesia start my security business here. My wife and I are not married yet, but we start this enterprise. And then one day I'm flying back to the U.S. and I get a text message from AG. He goes, hey, man, I need to talk to you
Starting point is 00:45:57 about some security related stuff. This was over a year later, a year and a half later, and I thought, man, you know, I got my own security business, this conflict of interest. I really wasn't interested at this point. I was excited about starting my own company here. So I get to the state, you text me, game knows. I really, really need to talk to if I can't talk to you over the phone. And I'm like, I don't know, you know, I'm him and a ha. And he goes, okay, listen, you go, I'm going to buy your plane ticket to San Diego. He goes, when you get here, I'm going to pay you $6,000 for three hours of your time. I got to, you got to listen to me.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Oh, shit, okay. It must be important. So I fly out there. He's leaning up against this badass freaking portion at the airport. I show up, he hands me an envelope with $6,000 cash. He says, get in, bitch. We take off, right? And we end up in his neighborhood, which was pretty amazing.
Starting point is 00:46:44 I mean, he literally, he lived next door to Bill Gates and a whole bunch of other people. Holy shit, this guy's rolling in dough. And he was. So that evening we had a, you know, we sat down, we had dinner and he and his partner told me what the plan was, right? And so basically it was, they had a contract with the Emirates and basically to take out their HPTs, right? They need a special force of capability. They didn't have it. A.G. promised them that we could deliver this. And so, you know, I'm okay. Yeah, Roger, that sounds like a good idea. Pretty cool. But, you know, I'm going back to Indonesia in three days. And I really didn't want to go. And so he already threw $40,000 cash from the table in front of me. He goes, that's yours. All right? And I'm like, look, dude, I go, I said, you do the first one. I said, I'll come in for the fall on evolution. I just got to go home, you know, see my girl and come. And,
Starting point is 00:47:42 kind of, you know, I wasn't ready for this shit, you know? And he goes, no, if I don't, if I can't have you for the first one, I don't need you for the other ones. And so, I'm like, damn, okay. I said, all right. Okay, okay, I'm in, right? So I fly home. I said, I got to go to Indonesia first, though. So I literally, the next morning, I fly to Indonesia.
Starting point is 00:48:04 I see my wife, my girl. I lie to her. I said, look, I'm going to go to the Middle East. I'm doing some consulting, you know, security consulting work, you know, make a little bit of of money, be right back. No danger. Problem. Be right back. Oh, okay. So they tell me don't bring any equipment. You don't need it. It's already provided for you, right? Oh, okay. So I fly from Jakarta all the way to New York, LaGuardia. I check into a hotel, as I'm supposed to. I'm waiting around downstairs in the lounge area, restaurant area, having a beer, and I notice
Starting point is 00:48:37 there's a bunch of French dudes walking around. They all look pretty fit, you know, but they're French. So we're getting a little suspicious. And then I had to be up in a hotel room around 10.30 that night. We all had to meet there. We all were given instructions at this time to meet this room. So I show up in there and there's all these French dudes are standing there. There's 11 of us total. You know, A.G.
Starting point is 00:48:59 His partner, a seal, me and then the other, the French, they're French foreign legionnaires, is what they are. And so we're all standing or looking at you're like who's who, you know, like the movie Ronan. And then AG's like, oh. all right guys, here's the mission, here's the plan. He goes, this is what we're going to go do. He goes, if you're not interested, he goes, you can keep the $20,000 I gave you
Starting point is 00:49:20 and just leave right now and no questions to ask. Go back home. Like, fuck, man. So everybody got 20 grand except for me, I had 40 grand. I had to tell nobody. Well, there was a reason I got 40 grand, and I was about to find that out in a second. So nobody quit. He goes, okay, good. He was just welcome
Starting point is 00:49:36 aboard. He goes, so, then he points at me, and he tells everybody in the room. He goes, that guy's in charge of everything. He's the boss. whatever he says goes. You do what he tells you do. Everything. I'm like, what? Me? So, you know, I don't even know what the hell's going on here right now. And I'm in charge, right, all of everything, and literally everything. And all right. So the next day, we have to meet downstairs in the evening. We get on a bus, a bunch of vans, and we go to Teterboro at the private airport up there. And it tells us to make sure we're wearing all our tactical gear of uniforms.
Starting point is 00:50:13 That's kind of weird. It's a business fucking airport. Everybody's wearing suits and we show up wearing camouflage and beards and shit, right? But he had a reason for it. Okay, he had a reason for it. And the reason was he knew people were watching us. People very high up were watching us. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:31 And so he didn't want to hide anything. He didn't want to give the illusion that we're not up to something. He wanted to make it really clear that, yeah, we're doing this. and I'm not going to hide it. So we show up the airport that night, a G5 shows up. We load it with food and water, our gear, no weapons. And we take off and we fly. I think we did our first fuel stop in Hungary.
Starting point is 00:50:56 And then we continued on. And so the pilots and the flight attendants, they had no idea where we're going, right? They got their initial grid coordinates. And then in flight from Hungary, we gave them a change, change the flight plan on. said, okay, this is your coordinates. This is where you put an airplane down,
Starting point is 00:51:13 which was in the desert on a dirt air strip, complete remote, not even on a map. Like, right here's an air strip on this great corner. Just put your airplane there. And I'm like, what? It said, just do it. Yes, sir, feedback. They didn't even question it, man.
Starting point is 00:51:25 So they're like, whatever you guys want, man, you know, we're doing it. So we end up landing in the middle of an airfield. There was, if you want to call it, it's just a strip, just a dirt strip. There was nothing there, nothing, except one C-130. sitting there with the ramp down engines running that was the only thing that was sitting there so we land in G5 we unload our shit we walk over to the ramp there's a colonel waiting for us as an intel officer and the Emeraldi military yeah emirati right so he's checking the block as we're getting on you know we're loading all our shit in the back and then uh we take off and we fly about another
Starting point is 00:52:03 four hours to uh Djibouti we land get off and there's a C8 47 and 286 helicopters sitting there engines running waiting for us so we transload in those things take off flat about another hour we end up in aiding gamut at one of their fobs out there and so we you know at this at this point it's like 2 o'clock in the morning 2 a.m. and I asked the intel officer I go hey where's all our gear all the weapons all the shit that's supposed to be waiting for us because it's on the way and so they had set up a couple of GP mediums uh in a contomement area within the Bob nobody knew we was there they intentionally tried to make sure we were hidden you know
Starting point is 00:52:43 and so he'll be here shortly right so this shows up all these pickup trucks full of garbage literally fucking garbage you know like pieces and parts of weapon systems um just shit man i mean like what the hell it's sort of unloading all this crap you know and uh we got ds hk with no no tripods we've got you know we've got no magazines with AK 47s we got no links for the PKMs, you know, and oh, by the way, we're supposed to be getting all U.S. milk equipment, brand new. And they're giving us this 30-year-old Chikom rusty bullshit, right? And I'm inventorying it and I'm looking at it and I realize,
Starting point is 00:53:23 ain't nothing we can do with this. Nothing functional. Nothing's operational. So I walked up to him, to the colonel, I go, hey, sir, I said, this ain't going to work. I said, we're missing everything, right? I miss all pieces and parts. And he hated the fact that we were coming in to fight his war. He hated the fact that they didn't have the capability, right?
Starting point is 00:53:43 He despised us. And I said, sir, I said, well, this is not, you know, this is not going to get it. And he looks at me with his hands on his hips. He goes, so what you're telling me is you can't do the mission. I'm like, no. I didn't say I couldn't do the mission. I kill the guys with a damn spoon, but I can do the mission. I would really like to have some weapons, though, you know,
Starting point is 00:54:03 but I can shoot from a distance, you know. And so I gave him a little piece of my mind I confronted him and he's like, okay, okay. I said, by the way, where's all my American weapons that that we're supposed to get? Right. I know what he did. He took that money and put in his freaking pocket.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Right, right. Yeah, that's what he did, right? Little son of bitch. And he went down to the local bazaar and bought us all this crap. Right. And so anyways, kind of gave him the stink guy. He got the message. He came in.
Starting point is 00:54:30 I gave him the shortage list. He came back with the pieces and parts we were missed. And basically we were just cobbling weapons together and, you know, improvising, everything. There were no uniforms. Nothing, man. So I'm literally got, you know, a pair of 5-Elevens on from desert boots. I had on a tank top for the gym. I actually had weight training gloves.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Those are my tactical gloves, you know. We were making it up as we go, man. We're literally like making our own freaking, you know, vests and stuff, ramble and stuff. And knitting and shit, you know, it's like, are you kidding me? So we literally improvised everything we had to go do these operations because we got no tactical gear. They just didn't give it to us. And I think it was because he wanted us to fail what it was. Right.
Starting point is 00:55:17 But we weren't having that. So the next question was, okay, talk. Go ahead. How old were you at this point, Dale? So this was 2015, 2016, 2016. So you basically, what, six years ago, I'm 59. So I was about 53. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:36 Yes. It's nice to know, though, that a tiger doesn't change at Stripesdale. I find that comforting about you. No, man, actually, I was leading to charge, man. I was good a shape of anybody there or better. You know, and there was a reason I was in charge because I learned that lesson later on, too. It was like, okay, now I know why I'm here. But so anyways, we got the target list.
Starting point is 00:55:59 It was long. Over 40 people on the list spread across three countries. So what were going to be doing some globe trotting to go take these guys out, but they were all HVTs. It was not a capture mission. It was a kill mission. That was it. These guys had to go. They're all bad guys.
Starting point is 00:56:16 They're all terrorists. They're all associated or affiliated with al-Qaeda, particularly al-Qaeda, Arabic Peninsula, ACAP, the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, Houthis. There were a lot of bad guys there. Which three countries? I can't say the other two countries. It's just say they were on the African continent. So because you're saying like AQ Arab Peninsula, did the UAE, which is a fairly, I mean, in terms of Arabic countries, it's like a fairly liberal country. Did, did, and I don't mean liberal politically, I just mean liberal in terms of like religion, whatnot.
Starting point is 00:57:00 Do they have a different HVT set than, say, the United States does, and that their concerns, even though these people are AQ or ISIS, but their concerns are different because these high-value targets, the HVTs are operating directly against, like, the Emirates and places like that? Yeah, so exactly. They got their own, their target list may be different from our target list, some of them, not all of them. And they had their own agenda. In fact, the reason we got hired by the MOD, because he's the guy that hired us, was actually a Palestinian and very prominent guy, not even Emirati, but because of a friend of a friend of a friend, he got put into an MOD position. And so there's actually a very interesting story about this guy.
Starting point is 00:57:48 His name is Muhammad Dahlin. You can look him up on the internet. Very interesting guy, very cool guy, actually, but very interesting. And he was not what you would expect. fact. But so anyways, you know, target list was long, spread over three countries. We needed to get this one. They wanted this one guy in particular right off the bat. He's number, target number one. And we're like, okay, what's the deal with this guy? And, you know, and they explained to us, you know, why he's a threat. Okay, he's a, he's a shady character. He's, he was actually from India. He was not Arabic. He was India, but he was Muslim. And he was a pedophile and he's almost sexual. He had all kinds of weird shit going on too, but he was very well trained in trade craft and street craft So he never put his head down the same place twice He had his own security detail. He was being financed
Starting point is 00:58:46 As I understand it by the Muslim Brotherhood and others. He was using al Qaeda as an action arm Just a lot of weird things going on, right? So suppose this guy won the Nobel Prize Wow, blah blah. It's all bullshit of Okay, because one of the things I made sure of that I insisted on was any targets that we take out, we got to, I got to be convinced this guy's a bad guy and it's just not some little personal agenda, right? Right. This is got to be a legit target. So we did our due diligence, you know, and we investigated closely. It's like, okay, this guy's the real deal.
Starting point is 00:59:21 So we greenlighted him. But it was interesting was as we're going through this target list, we're developing the first target. took us a couple weeks, which actually was pretty fast, considering we had no human sources, we had nothing to work with. I mean, we're gleaning information off the internet. You know, we're bribing the Emirates to give us some intel. They were trying to, what's the word I'm looking for?
Starting point is 00:59:45 They were trying to remain hands off. They wanted to have plausible. Compartmentalize, right? Yeah, right? And so we're like, hey, dude, we'll never get this done if you're not helping us, you know? So they ended up getting us some sources. You know, we ended up paying them a bunch of money. You know, it makes a bunch of promises and stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:00:02 But in this process, we realized on this list was a guy who was the mastermind behind the USS coal bombing. And he was running a madrasa in Aden. And he was running a pipeline for ISIS fighters. This guy was a shithead still. And he was there. And we're like, oh, this is number one. We're going out to that guy first, you know. And he's right down the road.
Starting point is 01:00:27 And he's really got no security. his house is across the catty corner to his madrasa where he's running this pipeline, you know, for ISIS fighters and stuff. And so we really wanted that guy. Okay, he's the USS coal bomb, you know, mastermind. We were told no. He said, no.
Starting point is 01:00:43 No, you work for us. This is number one right here. This guy here, you guys can have him later on. Like, fuck, man. We really wanted this guy. He would have been an easy target too, but we didn't get the shot at him that we wanted. So the long story short, my job was besides you know planning execution um i realized really quickly that the guys that were with me didn't know what the hell they were doing so they had no idea about explosives they
Starting point is 01:01:13 didn't know how to use explosives um in fact i had to show actually i had to show one of the guys was a seal literally how to put an AK-47 in action he had no idea how to load it and charge it and like fuck dude you know and so this was a seal too um but he was a good guy i'm not going to take nothing from he just didn't know what he was doing but he turned out to be actually one of the better guys out of the bunch because his head was in the right place um the other turd the other seal was a total turd though complete turd um so now i'm training these guys on how to basically set headspace and timing on a 50 caliber machine gun run pkm machine guns you know all the weapon systems we have And then the mission came down.
Starting point is 01:01:54 Like, we might have to hit this guy on the way to the airport. There's only one flight a day leaving Aden. And we had intel that this guy might try to get on that airplane on one of these particular days. And so what we were going to do is ambush him at the airport. Now, what was interesting is the Emirati military occupied the airport. But all the access roads, all the gates going into the airport were manned by al-Qaeda. Right. So they control the gates.
Starting point is 01:02:20 And so we would literally have to drive to the gates. way by Mr. Al Qaeda, you know, and then go inside into the compound. But they had one flight a day, and we thought this guy's going to get on one of these flights. So we just started planning, okay, we got to hit him. We picked out the checkpoint location where we're going to smack him. And they thought, well, what if he doesn't come this way? What if he goes that away? And then we thought, okay, let's ambush him in the vehicle.
Starting point is 01:02:44 He's running a small motorcade, didn't skin trucks. Then the question was, can, we can ride a motorcycle? I'd be damned. I'm the only guy to ride a motorcycle. I said, are you kidding me? I'm the only guy who can ride a goddamn motorcycle. So now I'm, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:59 I'm doing it all, man. I'm like, why are you guys even here? I said, I might as well just do everything, you know. I got to ride the motorcycle. I got to build the IEDs. You know, I got AG on the back of the motorcycle. He's going to hang my IED off the mirror of this truck while we're driving and then vaporized vehicle with the guy in it, right?
Starting point is 01:03:16 So we got all these contingency plans. And I'm starting to realize really quickly that I'm the only guy who knows what the hell is going on. I'm the only guy who's got a tactical experience to execute this thing, you know, and going back to Discovery Channel, I guess I am a one-man army. So, um, so anyways, um, so we had all these contingency plans, man, and there's, you know, we were to do all kinds of stuff, man. It kept changing every day because the guy never slept in the same place twice. So we had to keep adjusting the mission profile, right? Okay, now we're instead of doing motorcycles, we're doing helicopters, okay, we're not doing helicopters, now we're walking, you know? And so, so finally we finally got some good intel one night, and we had about an hour and a half to spin up because the guy was staying downtown in the office and he wasn't going to come out.
Starting point is 01:04:06 We had eyes on. He meant watching the guy reporting back to us. We had a drone helicopter up, you know, video on the office. We know he was in there. He went in there with his body guards and his assistant when he had come out. So we were staged already ready to go. And that's when we went in. And it was only, it was actually five of us that went in out of the team.
Starting point is 01:04:30 And out of the five of us, one of them was an Arab. He's one of their majors in the military. And he was just the driver. It's like, look, you just drive. You don't touch guns. Don't play with the fucking radio. Just drive. That's all you got to do, right?
Starting point is 01:04:42 And so, and me and the AG and the two seals were in the back of this up-armored land cruiser. and the job was to literally pull up to the office. I was going to get out, put an IED on the building, and bring it down on top of this guy's head. And so that was the basic plan. And so we roll in, I think it was about 9.30 at night, very dark, very dark. You had people on the streets drinking chai, you know, very narrow roads, very congested. And so we go rolling in at about three miles an hour. That was top speed.
Starting point is 01:05:20 You know, I literally got, as a car comes to a stop, I've got Al-Qaeda looking in the window trying to see who's inside the window, and I'm putting a muzzle in his face getting ready to let the air out of them. And so finally we get in front of the office and, like, go. Doors come open. The first guy's shot is the driver. The only guy without a weapon. He gets shot in a fucking leg. And then the rest of those bail out.
Starting point is 01:05:44 I grab my charge, and I run across the street, run in front of the office door. And I tried to open the door first. I was going to try to open the door, throw a couple of hand grenades in there, and then just go in and shoot everybody. But they had locked the door from the inside because the bodyguards, usually they sat out on front, but at night they would roll inside. They would lock the doors up, and they would sit right behind the doors, these big steel doors.
Starting point is 01:06:09 So I couldn't get the door open. So I knew they were in there. They locked it. And so I thought, okay, the only other choice I have now is the place this IED that I built in front of the, the door. door. So the charge was, I filled an ammo can with C4 and I filled it up with armor plating from an MRAP. So I basically made it the mother of all Claymore's. And, you know, added some extra honor for the P factor. So I had a little nuclear weapon is what I had. It was all directional.
Starting point is 01:06:38 And so I placed the charge. There's a raging gunfight going on right now. And I'm by myself. So for whatever reason, I don't know why, but A.G. ran up the fucking road like with his hair on fire, and he's shooting it out with people up the street. And he's actually supposed to be with me at the door pool, security for him, because I got my hands full. And same thing with the other guy, the other seal, he doesn't follow me to the door either. He stays at the vehicle. His excuse was his weapon kept malfunctioning, but he had a spare right next to him.
Starting point is 01:07:10 He didn't grab that one. So he didn't follow me over. So I'm basically out there by myself in the wind flapping. you know and anyways a place to charge um i could not run back to my ex-field vehicle because you know the engagement was just too close now i would have run right into an ambush and so i decided okay i'm going to run out the street to another vehicle waiting down the road and uh with the vehicle that we infilled in was uh an up armored land cruiser by 300 000 car and so i had already placed an i ed in the back of it an incinerary device i built it put it
Starting point is 01:07:45 back there and what I was going to do is running back to my original vehicle I was to stop pull the firing system and we're going to destroy that land cruiser I don't know why they wanted to destroy it but they didn't want to bring it out the target our instructions were leave it there and destroy it so that's what they want that's what they get that's what they're paying for so anyway I could not get to the charge so the other seal he knew that contingency plan was if I don't make it back he was to run up and fire the system And he did. And it's all on video. And the first charge goes off and just wrecks the building. Apparently vaporizes the body guards behind the doors. And then and then he pulls the other system and then it goes off and it literally blew that
Starting point is 01:08:31 that car up and literally burned it to the ground. I mean, there was nothing left of it. I was I was actually in awe that it actually worked as well as it did because it was literally improvised explosive. I never built one like this before. I didn't know. I just kind of made it up as I went. It was kind of cool. I used uh right for this. I used net. I used Ness Cafe coffee grounds in a jar. Uh, half a half a liter or half a bottle of gasoline and a quarter block of C4. I cobble this freaking thing together, put it over the gas tank. And I'll be damned to work, man. We can burn that thing to a crispy critter. But, uh, so we get out. We get out of the mission. And then, uh, and so all of us were given rank. So the question is, okay, you know, for everybody out there's listening,
Starting point is 01:09:17 oh my God, being a mercenary is illegal. I've heard all the bullshit. All right, shut up. All right, let me just explain what happened here. All right, first of all, it is not illegal to work as a mercenary. Okay, you can go to State Department website. You as an American citizen can work for foreign countries. Okay,
Starting point is 01:09:33 a foreign government, as long as that government, their policies are in alignment with U.S. policy. Okay. The Emirates are friends of Americans. Okay, we're fighting the same. war on terrorism. Boom. All right. There it is. Two, you can join their military. And guess what? They assigned us ranks. They gave us all rank. Guess who the leading? The rank and his current, the rank of his guy there was AG made him a full bird colonel. He's in charge of the
Starting point is 01:09:59 entire Arab board operating base. He's in charge of the Arabs. And he's just, and guess what he's Jewish? Yeah. Guy's Jewish. He's a Jewish colonel in their military, giving them orders. So we get back to to the compound and, you know, fucking, you know, plugging holes and stuff. And, and AG comes back a few minutes later. He's got a thumb drive. He went to the drone pilot. He goes, I'm the colonel. Give me a copy of that drone village.
Starting point is 01:10:25 And he got it. And the reason he got it is for insurance. So it can never be said that we're out there as a bunch of renegades on our own. Right. You know, doing this kind of shit. You got proof right here. It came out of your helicopter. You know, here's the footage, right?
Starting point is 01:10:37 So it was a smart move, man. you know like I said it was insurance so then what happens is basically okay we're not sure if we got the target or not because the next day on the news the local news his assistant was all wrapped up you know and he's on the news going hi nan nannaboo you didn't get us you know
Starting point is 01:10:58 but he's all fucked up and the other guys are vaporized and so we don't know what happens in principle and we were told he did get away and he went back to Saudi Arabia which I kind of doubt that because the Saudis wanted him dead too. So why would you come back to Saudi Arabia, right? So he basically dropped off the map. We're not sure what happened.
Starting point is 01:11:20 Maybe he went into hiding. Maybe I scared the shit out of him, you know, and he decided he wants some more part of it. I don't know. But so we go back to, we end up in Abu Dhabi. We meet with the client. And basically we're doing an AAR after. We're actually report. This is what happened.
Starting point is 01:11:38 blah, blah, blah. And he was happy. And so the contract, if I remember right, the contract was worth $880 million. Okay, the first mission was $800,000. Okay, the first mission was a vetting mission. If we were successful, we would get the rest of the contract. And that's why it was important that I was on the first mission. Right. Because it had to go, right? I tell you right now, had I not been there, they would have fucked up the charges. They didn't know how to build them. They wouldn't have been effective at all. They wouldn't have known how to use half the weapon system.
Starting point is 01:12:14 They would have had to go to the MRIs, go, hey, can you show us how to work this gun? You know, that's what I'm paying you for. So none of that was going to work. So that's why I realized, okay, there's my value. That's why they had to have me, right? So, you know, we got, you know, awarded the rest of the contract. And then we had, you know, the fall on missions.
Starting point is 01:12:34 that so um anyways that happened and then uh finally ended up uh i ended up walking out the desert me and one of the seals had enough because the one seal that's in charge i'm not even mention his name he's all fucked up and uh ag had to go do something i said no i ain't staying out here this this is bullshit there's a lot of leadership issues that uh there were you know there were very pronounced man that really wrecked the whole project um poor leadership zero leadership And I give an example one day, you know, so I'm getting paid all this money as a special advisor. And I noticed that one of the seals, the bosses, is laying in the back of the pickup truck sunbathing with no clothes on every day. And he's telling the guys to fetch his coffee and do this and do that, you know.
Starting point is 01:13:22 And these are all grown men, right, with families, their soldiers, their veterans. And he's telling him to go fetch coffee. And then I realized he's actually, he's hiding cases of a red bull in his hooch, fruit, all kinds of. the fresh stuff he's had he's hoard it for himself not even sharing it with the team right i found out about that when they had to go into to get something and i'm like what the fuck so i walked up to the truck one day while he's back there and i go hey man i said you guys are paying me a lot of money to be your special advisor so i'm gonna go ahead and earn my money right now and give you some advice and they're looking at me huh i got ready for this lead by example and they're like
Starting point is 01:13:59 and i go yeah lead by example so you think this is lead by example and this ain't leading shit. I said, all that red bull in your room, that's not leading my example. I said, these guys here, I said, they could give two shits about your bottom line. When we're out there in a firefighter in the street, I said, nobody cares about your bottom line, your corporation. All they care about is getting back home. And they're going to remember who took care of them and who didn't. I said, and right now, you fetch making them fetch coffee while your son bathing and they're working their ass off ain't holding the water. And he, and you know what? He disagreed with me. He's all I got to disagree. It is a business. You're freaking moron. I said, you know what?
Starting point is 01:14:38 When we get out there, I said, when it shit hits the fan and they got to make a decision, either save me or save you, by by you, because they're not saving your ass. I'm the guy taking care of them. I'm the guy running interference from constantly, you know, and that's my job. I said, but you're paying the paycheck, man. I said, you need to do your part, you know. So there was stuff like that that was going on out there that just, I said, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to be a part of this anymore. And I actually left, ended up planes, trains, and automobiles through Dubai, Abu Dhabi. I think I went back to the U.S.
Starting point is 01:15:12 and finally went back to Indonesia or Indonesia than the U.S. I was all over the day going to place. But, you know, I just decided that I'm done with that part of it. Dale, how many of that list of 40 names, like how many HVTs down did you get during that contract? Just a couple. What's kind of funny is we have one guy that was the ice. This is bomb maker, very prominent guy. And he was definitely going to get it, man.
Starting point is 01:15:37 But we had it all lined up. I built this freaking mega, freaking IED for him, special. And he was going out every day. And after we were watching with the drone, and the afternoon he would go out on the street and he had a couch on the street, right? And he would sit there and sell drugs, cacks. Right, guys would come by.
Starting point is 01:15:56 And he was a drug dealer, too, on top of everything else. And then on the end of his compound, he had a garage. called the monster garage and he was building metal doors but actually he was building iads in there he had all kinds of seedle in tanks and stuff like that and so my job was going to be to blow up this entire monster shop one night and then we're going to go up to his compound and shoot him in his freaking face um just as we're getting ready to do this he went out to sell some drugs on a street you know a guy drives by and he was with the um himini's resistance and uh boom but kills him right there man and does a job for us. Like, shit, you know.
Starting point is 01:16:34 But it's probably a good thing because it would have been really hard to get in and get back out of there. They had that place locked down pretty good. Between ISIS and al-Qaeda and the Houthis. He was pretty secure, and we were definitely going to be, you know, we were definitely going to be hanging out there trying to get to him. But we made down a list a little bit and not very far. And before I walked away, I don't know what they did after that. I actually know that one of the guys, they ended up in Serbia.
Starting point is 01:17:00 and one of the guys on the team got rolled up, ended up in jail for almost two years, on weapons charges. They were kind of doing the same thing again as we're doing Yemen. I didn't have any part of that walked away, but he got out at jail because somebody killed murdered his attorney at the doorstep of the courtyard, so he lost everything,
Starting point is 01:17:23 the entire case against him. He's actually pretty famous seal. I don't know, I'm not going to say his name, but he's a pretty famous still, but he fucked up. And he got rolled up and he spent a couple years at serving jail because of that. So anyways, yeah, going back to, so, you know, round and round, around, everything starts happening. I ended up up from there in Los Angeles. So I was protecting a multi-millionaire as a Starlet in Hollywood. So what happened was out on the TV show SWAT, right?
Starting point is 01:18:01 And I was invited to be on that show, so I'm out there on the set. I get a call from my friend who's, you know, he's a pretty good guy, man. He's a country Western singer. He's like, hey dude, he goes, he's got a problem. He goes, I got a friend. She's in big trouble. Some guy stole over a million dollars with her diamonds from her. They want to kill her because she wants to go to the police, this, that, that, that.
Starting point is 01:18:24 She's very wealthy. She's 31 years old. beautiful, never been married, no kids. She's every man's dream, dude. I'm telling you right now, right? And I don't even know this. I don't know all this about her yet. I just know she's in trouble,
Starting point is 01:18:37 and I'm the only guy he'll recommend. And so apparently she already done the Google search and all this shit. He goes, call her and work out the price. So I call her up, go, hey, you, this is me. What's going on? What do you need? Okay, here's my price. And my price was $2,000 a day plus pass through costs.
Starting point is 01:18:56 I said, you want me to protect you? Two grand plus pay for all my expenses. She's a bad at I. Like, really? And so I almost kind of said that because I really didn't want to do the job. Right. I know bodyguard works sucks. Right.
Starting point is 01:19:11 So I figured if I'm going to do it, it better be worth it, right? So I said, two grand. And then she's like, okay, no problem. Really? I said, well, I said, you know, I said, I'm on a Hollywood set. So I didn't bring any suits and clothes for this either, you know. I really prepared for this. Don't worry. You don't need any clothes.
Starting point is 01:19:29 Oh, okay. Little did I know. She actually met I didn't need any clothes. I just needed to show her butt naked. She was good with that, right? So she apparently she's done all the Google search, watched all my movies 10 times over, you know. I didn't know any of this, right? Okay. All right. And then she asked me what my clothes size were, shoes size. I gave it to her. I ended up flying to L.A. and so I had somebody else with me. I had a female with me that I had met, young girl. and I go, hey, by the way, I got a friend with me, you know, I said, you know, can I bring it with me? She's like, oh, yeah, of course, you know, bring it with you.
Starting point is 01:20:04 I said, okay, cool, I can use it for like counter surveillance surveillance type of stuff, right? You can't make this shit up. So I show up and at the airport, she's got a limousine waiting for us. We go to her where she lived, very upscale, the apartments in this particular building she was living in. The low end was $15,000 a month. The high end was $70,000 a month. It was all the rich and famous people living there, right? So we show up, she's waiting for me, all giddy and everything.
Starting point is 01:20:36 And then, so, you know, we get settled in. I got my own apartment. She gives me an apartment for $15,000 a month, fully stocked with everything. Not only that, she bought all my clothes for me. I didn't know that. All my underarmor, everything's laid out for me, you know, slippers and hiking shoes and hats and T-shirts and T-shirt. I'm like, damn, man, you know.
Starting point is 01:20:56 And so I said, okay. So I told the gal I was with, I said, listen, I'm going to be really busy for a while. I said, so, you know, she was actually, she was from, not from the United States. And I said, look, I said, since you're here, enjoy the vacation, go hang out in Hollywood, just see the sites. You know, no mind me. I'm doing my thing. And so she was good. And so I end up, you know, telling the clients to listen, all right, I'm here to be.
Starting point is 01:21:24 to protect you. I'm going to go over some security stuff, protocols, dues and don'ts, patterns of life, blah, blah, blah. We'll even do some defensive tactics, you know. And so it goes pretty good, right? And little do I know, she's like falling in love with me. I didn't know that. And, and so it kind of started getting really weird. Like, we would go out for dinner every night, and she would spend $1,500 every night on dinner. She ordered everything on the man, you times 10. She's like, whatever you want, times 10.
Starting point is 01:21:56 You know, like, what? And then I was like, no, I'm going to go stand over here by the door and pull the security. She's going to sit right here next to me. I said, yes, ma'am, you're paying the bills. All right? So it turned into that. And then it turned into like her sitting on my lap.
Starting point is 01:22:11 You got really unprofessional after a while. And I'm trying to keep my professional distance. She's making it really, really, really, really, really hard, man. You know? And so then I meet all her friends that live in this building. They're all billionaires. They're just, they're just hardcore liberals, right? So every day, she never worked.
Starting point is 01:22:34 She owned a company. Now and then we drive to the company, you know, and she'd check on things. Okay. And then we go back to where she stayed. But everybody would hang out on the bottom floor. It had to swim and pool, the bar, and it's the lounge area. And that's where we hung out every day, all day long for months. and she would order tons of food and pizza and this and that and all those guests, the residents would come down and we'd all be talking and no, they would be talking.
Starting point is 01:23:03 I couldn't stand these assholes, right? You know, it was always a Trump bashing session, right? It was always a Trump bashing session. I'm like, get the hell out of here. And then they're like, you mean you were in the Army? You were a veteran? Yeah, that's what they look like? Wow.
Starting point is 01:23:16 You know, it's like I'm like a puppy. Like, what? That's what veterans look at? Because I never met one before. Right? And then they want to ask me some questions about the military. And I'd start to answer them. And then it just cut me off.
Starting point is 01:23:28 And then they start talking about, there's only four things they could talk about. Wine, hotels, food, and other women's dress. How they dress. That was it. That was the four topics. That's all these people can talk about because that's all they know. Well, Dale, if any of your attractive billionaire female friends are interested in a veteran male confine, You feel free to pass them my digits.
Starting point is 01:23:53 I mean, I'm here and I'm ready to work. I'm ready to work. And he lives in Brooklyn and he went to Columbia, so he can, like, he can, like, fit into that sort of liberal. I got a foot in both worlds, man. I can do it. Yeah, well, I tell you what, man, it was, it was really frustrating because they couldn't talk about anything else
Starting point is 01:24:15 because they didn't know anything else. I was literally like the first veteran they ever met. I might as well been a puppy, you know, like, oh, wow, it was a cute little, that's what they look like, you know? And I was like, what the fuck, man? So, and I was like, what the fuck, man? So, you know, and I would tell my client, you know, like, look, you know, she would have asked me a question in front of everybody.
Starting point is 01:24:34 And I said, look, I don't talk politics. I'm not talking religion. Oh, no, no, it's okay. It's okay. And I remember they asked me this question one time about homosexuals in the military. And I had an experience back in 82 when I first went in in 1982 with a gay guy that There was literally, everybody got drunk one night. He went into his one dude's room and gave him a blow job while he was sleeping.
Starting point is 01:24:53 The guy wakes up, loses his shit, you know. And we ended up with a big battalion, you know, a hand-to-hand combat session. Everybody was fighting because we were the recon guys and they were, you know, now we're the gay recon guys. You know, it just got really crazy, right? And so I'm starting to explain to her what the problem was, you know, with, you know, with homosexuals, especially in a rank of infantry guys, when something like this happens. and I told her how we were literally combat effective, ineffective for over a month. And people were getting Article 15, all because of one guy.
Starting point is 01:25:27 He literally pulls his guy's underwear down while he's sleeping, he's drunk, and he wakes up, and he's getting a blowjob from this guy. And so they were like, oh, everybody said to go, oh, my God, that's so uncomfortable. I got to go. I go, yeah, you got to go because you don't want to hear the damp tooth, you know. It was always that kind of stuff, you know, and these people just started making me sick. And then I kept asking my client, I go, listen, how much you're going to do, long as you need me for because, you know, we was tracking down the jewelry.
Starting point is 01:25:52 She was in, there was some gangs out of Chicago that were involved in this. It's going to be, when I write the story, it's pretty interesting who characters were. Some of them were very famous, like, damn. When it was a billionaire, a British guy from London, he was a billionaire. He sat on a bunch of boards. He was actually banging this hooker, this black chick, a high-end call girl. She ended up working her work. way into this building, passing the background checks, and ended up stealing all my clients' jewelry
Starting point is 01:26:24 based on a lie, which was tied to this billionaire. Basically, I go from being a bodyguard to the fixer now, to the investigator. You know, so I'm now sitting, you know, I'm calling this guy up, go, hey, I need you to meet me at Starbucks tomorrow more at 07, you know, across town, L.A. He meets me, and I'm waiting for the guy and I'm playing, you know, like Jeff with him. And I'm like, hey, listen, my client's really, really angry. We know that, you know, your girlfriend, no, no, he's at my goal. Yeah, you were banging her.
Starting point is 01:26:53 So it doesn't matter. She's your girlfriend. She used your name, stole all his jewelry. And my client's getting mad because she can't get it back. The police won't help her. So she's going to go to L.A. Times and tell the story, which is going to include your name, right? And you're sitting on this big ass board, right? Because I already know this from talking to some other very wealthy people.
Starting point is 01:27:11 I said, this ain't going to go well for you, you know? And he was really uncomfortable. I said, now if I was you, what I would do is I would probably just give her the money and sign a non-disclosure agreement. Be done with this bullshit because you're married. You had two kids in the England. And I had I'm really squirming his seat, you know. And so he agreed. He's like, no, you know what?
Starting point is 01:27:30 You're right. You're right. You're right. Let me talk to my lawyer. I go, and that's the smart thing to do, sir. So he leaves. By the time I get back to my client's apartment, he already talked to his lawyer who talked to her lawyer. Basically, they painted this picture that I was a thug.
Starting point is 01:27:43 Right? You take your thugs over, bap, blah, blah, blah. And I go, good, that's exactly what I want to think. I'm a stud, right? So it actually worked, right? And so they wanted to settle for $250,000. And I knew she was not going to go for that. And she's like, no, not no, but hell no.
Starting point is 01:27:59 I said, you probably ought to take the $250 because you're not going to get the million. I said, this guy's going to jump on the next thing, smoke, and he'd be gone. You're not going to get him. The billionaire. He didn't even steal it. But I said, you lost all your ability to leverage all this shit, you know? and she was stubborn, right? So she was worth millions and millions and millions of dollars,
Starting point is 01:28:19 but this jewelry she had on, she was wearing it for a jeweler, basically advertising. So anytime the jewelry leaves the jewelry store, it's no longer insured off the property. So it was stolen off the property. So guess who's liable? Right. She's got a shit a million dollars for diamonds.
Starting point is 01:28:37 Right. So that was the problem. She didn't want to, you know, and then there's all those other stuff was involved with a trust fund and her family and how that's going to bode and this and that, you know, and so, so finally, you know, we get, we'll get through most of all of this, right? I realized nothing's going to happen. It was more, it had to do with Floyd Mayweather, had to do with Las Vegas fights,
Starting point is 01:28:57 and all kinds of crazy stuff happened there. This girl shows up in Las Vegas, wearing all the diamonds on top of that. I've got the FBI engaged, the CIA. I got everybody, the marshals from California to Chicago to Los Angeles, Vegas engaged to run this chick down, man. And she was really cagey, man, really good. And beating the system, man. All the traps that I laid for her.
Starting point is 01:29:23 Yeah. Circumbenated him. Got away from it all. But finally, I just told the client, I said, listen, man, how much long you need me for, you know? And she was, I need you forever. I go, ha, ha, ha, ha, no, how long you need me? She said, no, I need you forever. And I realized, ah, shit.
Starting point is 01:29:35 You know, this is happening, man. And they got really nuts to Zaro, you know. Hey, I need you up in my room at 2 o'clock the morning. talked about something. Yes, ma'am, on the way. Where you at? I'm right here in the bed, no clothes on. I didn't you see it right here. I got to talk about something. Like, oh, God, no. This is not, you know, I'm thinking I'm not going to get paid if I keep doing this, you know. Finally, finally one day, I just said, listen, I got to go. I said, I got to move on. I said, she wanted to get married. She fell in love with me. I'll be honest with you, any other guy,
Starting point is 01:30:03 you know, would have been a millionaire overnight. And she was really attractive, beautiful, man, very smart, very personal. She had everything going for. everything, man. And I guess with maturity and with age, you know, you get a little bit smarter. And I start thinking with his head and not the other head. And I realized that, you know, I got other things I want to do with my life. And I don't want to mooch off anybody else. I don't want her money.
Starting point is 01:30:29 I don't want to be around her friends. I told her, I said, three months will kill each other. I said, that's just how it is. I said, it's all cool now. But three months, I said, won't stand me. I won't stand you because of your friends. I said, so I'm going to leave tomorrow morning. And so in the morning I show up to her apartment and say goodbye.
Starting point is 01:30:45 She got the limo waiting for me. And she begs me one more time. She goes, please go with me to, she wanted me to go to, God damn it. It's a resort out in the desert. She goes, go with me, stay with me for the day and for the night. Tomorrow I'll put you on a private jet and fly home and, you know, end the story. And I'm like, for what? I said, we're going to go there and we're going to do it like rabbits.
Starting point is 01:31:09 And I said, tomorrow and more, I'm still getting on the airplane. Nothing's going to change, you know. And I did. I walked away right there and I never looked back. And I have no regrets, you know, whatsoever. But I got to tell you, any other guy would have jumped all over it. And maybe 10 years ago or 15 years ago, I'd have jumped all over it too, different circumstances. But, you know, sometimes you realize what's more important in life and it's not always money.
Starting point is 01:31:38 It's not other people's money. It's not even a beautiful woman. And sometimes, you know, your own sovereignty, man, your own, you know, you is all that matters, your happiness, you know, and how you achieve that is your, you know, to you. Being a parent can be really challenging. It's normal to feel uncertain about whether you're doing the right things to raise healthy and happy children. That's why Child and Family Resource Network focuses on connecting pregnant parents and those with kids under the age of five with free support services to help them build confidence in their parenting journey.
Starting point is 01:32:12 Everyone deserves to have someone they can turn to for support with parenting. Visit child and family resource network.org today. Dale, I think what you're telling us is that you will never take the easy way regardless of, like, you know. I could have and I didn't. I could have and I didn't, man. Oh yeah. You know what she gave me? So she's like, look, she goes, I need you here for another 30 days.
Starting point is 01:32:36 here's my BMW 750 LI. She gives me a brand new BMW 750 LI. And she turns around and buys a black one. She gives me the white one. She knows I like them, you know? Yeah. Because it's yours. And I'm like, oh, my God, man.
Starting point is 01:32:48 So she just gives me this brand new BMW 750 LI. She's throwing it all at me, you know, $1,500 dinner every night, you know, $15,000, you know, $15,000, you know, apartment. You know, it was amazing. I'll say this. She was a good girl. you know, she just got caught up in something. You know, she's lived her whole life, a life of, you know, the rich and famous. Right, right.
Starting point is 01:33:14 So she hasn't been exposed to street thugs. You know, she hasn't been exposed to this kind of crime. And suddenly she became victimized by it. And then all of a sudden she meets a guy like me, you know, that comes along that, you know, I got on this. And she's used to, you know, the skinny guy jeans, you know, skinny gene guy, you know, and these, you know, beta males and all of a sudden I come along. Right.
Starting point is 01:33:36 And I'm actually not even interested other than doing my job and that probably drove even crazier, you know? Right. So that's how this whole thing started just spinning out of control. So,
Starting point is 01:33:49 so the bodyguard, if I had, that was probably the only bodyguard work I actually enjoyed. I had a lot of fringe benefits, obviously. And it wasn't really like, it was real and it was serious. I mean, I was,
Starting point is 01:34:01 I was packing. I brought armor. I talked to people in the intel services. They all agreed. They said, listen, whatever that guy says, believe it, he will do it. Yeah. This guy is no joke. He's a felon many times over.
Starting point is 01:34:15 He was a gang leader. He got out and became a life coach, which was kind of funny, right? Because I'm actually a life coach. Now, he's called himself a life coach, you know, but he's actually a thug. Yeah. He's going to be a life coach, right? Yeah. And he's dangerous.
Starting point is 01:34:29 He was really dangerous. I mean, that's something that isn't. really being reported on a lot in the news, but like that's a massive problem in L.A. right now is that wealthy people are like they're being targeted coming out of stores. Like it's a serious problem in L.A. right now that's not really being reported on. Yeah, no. And you know, I was living with her. It was just for her, it was just, you know, make driving her crazy, man. She didn't know how to how to deal with any of this. you know and she's looking at me like help yeah yeah i'm like shit you know what what am i gonna do
Starting point is 01:35:07 yeah i can't even find these guys you know um but the bodyguard work you know that was that's another story um it's coming out my book more detail and uh i i have to protect the uh the innocent of course you know i'm not going to mention her name or locations to be like that but i'll be pretty cool uh i get a lot of guys that contact me that are interested in doing bodyguard work And they want to know what it's like to get to that rule, how to get to that rule. And it looks sexy. You know, the movie, the bodyguard with Kevin Costner and Whitney Houston. I did it, but 10x.
Starting point is 01:35:44 Yeah. But it's, that's Hollywood, man. And that's not the real world. Real world, it sucks. Yeah. People are dicks. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:52 I mean, especially when you're coming from a special operations background, like, you're looked down upon, your judgment isn't trusted. You have to pretend your clients are funny, whether or not they're smart, with you dumb. I've talked to guys who've done like EP jobs for like Gulf State, you know, millionaires kids, billionaires kids, like horror stories. I've done that too. And my advice is never, never seek to be a bodyguard, seek to be a person who needs bodyguards.
Starting point is 01:36:19 Like being a bodyguard is, is like being, it's like being a bathroom attendant, basically. You, you know. I'll tell you a quick story. This is horrible. I'm with this woman, right? Her husband, she's the Mexican chick. She's got this,
Starting point is 01:36:40 I mean, she's just very eccentric, man. She had a pink, peptal-bizmo pink phantom Rolls-Royce, right? This thing was insane. 100-carid diamond rings
Starting point is 01:36:48 coming out of fucking, you know, the hood ornament and shit, you know, like damn. But we were, we were in Paris, and she and I,
Starting point is 01:36:57 so she wanted to go shopping. So all her friends were gay guys, right? she hardly had I never saw around any women I don't know maybe the gay guys is threaten her but anyways we're always shopping you know and they're eating lunch and they're doing this and I'm standing at the bar go Jesus Christ can we leave now and so I remember one day we're on the street corner and I called for the limousine and she's facing the street on the sidewalk facing the street I'm standing behind her about
Starting point is 01:37:24 10 feet facing her watching her back looking for the vehicles coming and I kind of just got you know a tactical position there and I noticed this guy's walking past me he looked like he was maybe from Libya or something like that um and he's smoking a little cigarette he's got these little beady eyes like a little rat you know and he's and he's looking back and he's eyeball her purse she had this big pink louis baton first right big ass thing man um and so she's holding it and she's wearing her fur she got diamonds all over she's worth like 10 million dollars just standing there right and so and he's sizing her up they smoke a cigarette he's walking back it doesn't seem he's standing in the back.
Starting point is 01:38:01 Right. I'm kind of standing in watching. And he's going back and forth, back and forth. And finally, I see he finally gets the nerve up. He's going to rob her, right? And he throws a cigarette down. He starts to make the move. And then I step forward.
Starting point is 01:38:12 And he sees me and I look at him. I go, don't do it. Right. And he looks at me. He goes, oh, you know, like this. And he walks away, right? And I don't say nothing to the client. She has no idea this is going down, right?
Starting point is 01:38:28 I just saved her ass, right? And the limousine shows up. We get in a vehicle. We drive back to the four seasons and get out. And there's like six French dudes standing on the corner, right? You know, they're all staying in the four seasons. You know, you can tell they're, you know, guys got money and stuff. They're wearing their trench coach and they're talking to French.
Starting point is 01:38:45 Boom, boom, boom, and they're talking about where they're going to go party or, you know, whatever. We're going to do, right? And they're shooting the shit. The door opens up. She gets out. She's got legs to kill. She's wearing as many skirt, you know, big as boobs. You know, and it's like, she gets out.
Starting point is 01:38:59 And they were like, whoa, I did all, I'm dialing in on it. And I'm trying to get out of the vehicle on the other side. And so I'm coming around the corner. They don't see me yet. And they're looking at her. And I can tell they're getting ready to say something to her, right? Come on to her. And here I go again, around the back of the car.
Starting point is 01:39:15 I'm like, don't fucking do it. Man, you're going to get me in trouble. Don't do it. And they look at me like, okay, okay. Like, who. And we go inside and she stops me. She goes, did you see those men? Did you see the waiter looking at me?
Starting point is 01:39:29 She's pissing and moaning me because they're checking her out. I'm like, yeah, ma'am. I said, yeah, but they didn't say nothing to you. Right. They didn't threaten you. Right. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't do anything, right?
Starting point is 01:39:40 She said, I don't check you out, right? So she goes up to the room. I go to my room. I get a phone call from the old man. Don't ever let anybody disrespect my wife like that again. I'm like, what? You know, what am I supposed to do? Right.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Beat the shit out of these dudes. You're checking her out, you know? Right. You know, come her to wear a burqa next time. Right. Right. don't look at her, you know? Right.
Starting point is 01:39:59 Right. Yeah. But it was that, it was always that kind of stuff. Right. Always that kind of. This guy literally expected me to just beat the fuck out of people. Right. They're looking at his wife, right?
Starting point is 01:40:10 And, and I was actually the smallest of the body guards. I was six foot, about 220. You know, I was pretty yoke, man. I was about 5% body fat. And I was the smallest guy. All the guys were bigger than me. I hired them all. All big dudes have bald heads.
Starting point is 01:40:25 They were tail clones. You know, just different colors and different nationalities. Yeah. And, but he really wanted that. He, everywhere we went, he wanted us to be flexed because we weren't, we weren't carrying weapons. And every time we would go to, like, he would, his wife always wanted to go dancing, right? He's an old dude. He didn't want to go dancing, but, you know, he had to keep her happy.
Starting point is 01:40:44 If you wanted to get those drawers, he better keep her happy. So we'd go to a bar and she'd be out on the dance floor dancing. I'd have to stand on the dance floor next to her while she's freaking dancing, be keeping all the guys away from them. Because they all want to rub on her and shit, you know. And then they go over and harass the old man because they're a little Chinese guy, you know, and then I got to go over there and, you know, interfere and get back, you know, leave the boss alone, you know. It's like all done long, you know, doing this kind of weird shit, you know. Yeah, it's the worst, man.
Starting point is 01:41:11 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's really bad when, like, they want to start shit with other people and you have to, like, intervene because they're talking smack. She did that all the time, man. She would actually start trouble with other women and men. And look at you, like, do something. Like your pit bull, get in there. Yeah. Yeah, we were driving to the office one day, and she was in her pink phantom, right?
Starting point is 01:41:35 And she was in front of me. I was in the fall of car. The road was really congested. Her office was about 100 meters down to the right. And so being the kind of the way she is, right? She just, ah, if I can get out of the car, grabs the purse, and starts walking down the sidewalk. And I'm like, I'm like, fuck, so I jump out of the car. I'm trying to keep up with her.
Starting point is 01:41:54 And there's a guy leaning up against a light. post, right? He's kind of lead up against him, looking at his phone. And she walks right up to him and karate chops his arm. Chagooom! And he fucking falls over and she just walks right past him. And he's like, looking at her like, what the fuck? And I come walking him behind and I go, hey, I said, yeah, right, right. Yeah. And he looked at me like, okay. I said, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Because I don't want to be out there to street fighting a guy because that's kind of shit she's doing all the time, you know? I've done a lot of bodyguard work and it's always, uh, It's always an adventure, you know.
Starting point is 01:42:29 And it requires maturity. Can you tell us the Singapore story? Yeah, okay. So I'm writing a bunch of books, right? So as I mentioned earlier, after I wrote American Badass, you know, I thought that was it. You know, the sun was setting on my life, you know, all the cool stuff was over. But it actually just started, man. You know, we talked about Yemen already, L.A., Hong Kong.
Starting point is 01:42:53 So then what happened was, so here in Indonesia, my wife and I own a security company. As I mentioned earlier, providing explosive detector dogs, patrol attack dogs for all the venues and stuff around here. And so I ended up going to Singapore to meet another guy, a friend. And he goes, hey, I want you to meet this guy. So I meet this guy. This guy is a, he's in the shipping business, right? Very wealthy guy. very wealthy in his 40s.
Starting point is 01:43:25 You know, he's from India, but you'd never know it. You would think he's American. Everything about him instead of American, right? Everything. So he's like, hey, man, I got this big-ass German Shepherd. You know, I bought it for my kids, you know. And he goes, I like to have him trained. Where are you trained dogs?
Starting point is 01:43:42 Would you be willing to come over here and train my dog for me? I said, okay, you're playing, you know, or you're paying on playing. So I ended up flying back and forth going to Singapore. to train a guy's damn dog for him. He lived in Sintosa Island, which is like Hollywood. Guy was very wealthy, Rolls Royce, Lamborghinis, you know, married two kids and the dog. And so he wanted me come over and train the dog for him. So I'd go over there for like at a week at a time, hang out, you know, in Singapore,
Starting point is 01:44:12 go to his house two, three times a day, spend about 10 minutes training the dog. And then I was off on my own in Singapore hanging out. How cool is that shit? And I did that quite a bit. Kept coming back and forth, kept coming back and forth. So one day, I'm walking with him and his son. His son's like nine years old. His daughter's about 12.
Starting point is 01:44:34 His wife is Iranian. I thought she was actually Russian, but she turned out she was Iranian. And so he and I are walking and we're walking with the dog. We're going down to the harbor. And he goes, hey, man. He goes, you still doing security stuff? I say, yeah. He goes, I might need some help.
Starting point is 01:44:55 Okay, what you need. So he tells me this story, right? So he's got this Instagram account. And he loves watches, right? So he's always showing off all his watches on Instagram, you know, millions of dollars worth of watches. And so one day, apparently this hot chick on Instagram, you know, starts chatting him up. He starts chatting her up, you know.
Starting point is 01:45:19 She's in another country. And but nonetheless, you know, they're chatting each other up. I'm sure there were dick picks and stuff floating around, but it kind of escalated in this thing, you know. And so it turns out over time, this chick on the other end is actually a dude, right, which is probably part of a syndicate. And this was a setup. And so now they've got, you know, all these compromising text messages, pictures, things like that, you know. And so then they can't reach out to his wife and go, hey, you this is us. Your, you know, your wife's, your husband's with this woman on Instagram, you know,
Starting point is 01:46:01 getting pretty out of hand, blah, blah, blah. We have more information. We got an entire portfolio if you want to see it. But, you know, you got to buy plane tickets. We got to come to you. We got to hand it to you. You got to pay us. This is what the cost is going to be.
Starting point is 01:46:14 You good? So, you know, she's thinking, oh, yeah, my rich husband's cheating. on me, you know, and I'm going to get his ass. So, um, so she buys this guy's ticket, one guy. Um, she meets him at the airport. The guy goes to get his baggage out of baggage claim. He's got a knife in the bag. He pulls the knife out, puts in his pants, comes out in baggage plane. He meets her, puts the knife on her side, takes her over to ATM machine. She cleans out the ATM machine. She's wearing a multi-million dollar cardi A, with all kinds of diamonds on it. He said, I'll take that to and all the money. And I'll take
Starting point is 01:46:47 your cell phone. And basically just robs her right there, right? So he leaves. She thinks he left, but he didn't. He actually stayed overnight in a hotel. Well, guess what? She didn't put a passcode on her phone. Didn't put a passcode on the phone.
Starting point is 01:47:03 Come on. Really? So he goes back to the room. He goes to her phone. He's got all the kids' phone numbers, husband's phone number, husband's contacts, phone numbers, clients' phone numbers, her phone numbers, alternate phone number.
Starting point is 01:47:16 He's got everything, everything on this phone. And he shoots her text messages tomorrow morning, meet me at this corner on this ATM machine. Don't be late and be alone. She shows up again. Here we go again. Sam old rodeo. A knife in the side. Go to the ATM machine.
Starting point is 01:47:31 I'm teasing it out. Takes wherever else he can take it off for her and he disappears. So she still hasn't told anybody. You know, and so the other guy goes back. He's actually, so he's Iranian, but he lives in Turkey. Okay, with a network in Russia a lot. All right. So, and I know all this for a reason.
Starting point is 01:47:57 So he goes back. He starts messaging the kids, send him video. He's holding a gun. He's holding a knife. You know, he's going to do this. I'm going to do that. You know, he's threatening the kids. All right.
Starting point is 01:48:09 And basically the old man goes, what's going on? And finally the wife says, hey, this is what happened. They go to the police. They check the camera. Sure. It's all true. right but they can't get this guy because he's in another country they can't extra guide him so when he comes back we can arrest him otherwise no show and I said you know
Starting point is 01:48:26 I said you know what's happening right I said this guy's threatening your kids threatening you he's going to call your clients he's got compromising pictures he said this is not over I said he'll never come back because he knows a warrant out for his address but he's going to send somebody else in his stead right you won't know who it is right until it's too late they're going to threaten you we're going to want money and if you don't do it, they're going to hurt you or your kids. And so you're fucked. And he knew it, right?
Starting point is 01:48:53 And I knew it. I knew the play. And so he's like, can you help me? Yeah, of course. It's funny, though, but, you know, I ain't doing this shit for free, you know. And so that turned into, okay, a phased approach. You got to be careful what I say. turned into a phased approach I contacted a guy he's a German he's a private
Starting point is 01:49:25 investigator got military background good dude I've actually been working with him since then on some other projects and he was very well connected very well connect I told him what the problem was so him an idea who the guy was we had that information off the Instagram we had some other sources I was able to tap into we knew who the guy was we knew where the guy was we knew where where he was. So now what we had to do is tap into local resources to PID him, um, track him down. We had them, we had, we literally had, um, uh, cameras from streetlight cameras, uh, of this guy in his car with his Mercedes, a license plates to include he's wearing a damn
Starting point is 01:50:06 watch he stole from the wife. Cardier, he got it. You know, it's like, damn, you can't, you know, wow. And so anyway, so the, the mission was, all right, first of all, proof of concept. I'll show you that we can find them and we can get to them. But then, you know, then there's the next part of this thing. You've got to pay for everything. Right. You know, but the first one's just proof that we did it. We can do it.
Starting point is 01:50:30 Second part is, you know, the deployment phase and then the employment phase, execution. Did I say execution? No, employment phase. I got to watch what I say, right? So anyways That was It was a phase approach right So basically it required
Starting point is 01:50:51 The only way you're going to get to this guy Is you got to get to this guy And you got to get to this guy With all the stuff Get it back And make sure that he never does anything like this again Because start figuring out He belonged to a bigger syndicate
Starting point is 01:51:07 There's a syndicate out there There's lots of mouth that this is what they do Right internet scams And they don't fuck around man They look will fly around the world to complete their mission, man. And they don't care, man.
Starting point is 01:51:20 So anyways, all that happened. The details will be in the book. I want to say too much because it could be misinterpreted what actually happened, what didn't happen. Misconstrued. Those are the kind of things
Starting point is 01:51:37 that have happened to me, you know. Here I am, mine in my business, paint a guy's dog. It's Singapore. And next thing you know, I'm like, what? Going head to head with fucking Iranians. So, you know, it's like, wow. So anyways, yeah, it never ends, man.
Starting point is 01:51:53 It never ends. You know, I mentioned a story earlier as well that happened to me here in Bali when I came back with the military and people trying to arrest me. And ISIS, there was an ISIS cell here. You know, they were, I believe they were targeting me and my business partner. But it's like, It never ends. I told you my friend right earlier before the show.
Starting point is 01:52:19 Dean, he's making a movie in a, not a movie, a TV series in the Philippines. I think this is year number three. Call me about five days ago. Ask me if I could come to the Philippines. One, help him with security. He feels threatened. But two, you want to be to have a major role on the show with him. And the story is called something in paradise.
Starting point is 01:52:42 I think it's almost paradise. Almost paradise? Yeah, that's it with D-Cain. Yeah. Christian Cain, I mean, Christian Cain. And so he's a DEA agent. You know, he's medically, you know, discharged. He decides, I'm going to live in the Philippines in Paradise,
Starting point is 01:52:59 just live on the beach, chasing women, having a good time. And all of a sudden, he finds himself rolled up with the mob and the syndicate and all this crime shit. And I'm like, you know what? That sounds like my damn story. Yeah. It's like, it's the same damn story. You know, except mine's in Bali, man. This is in the Philippines, you know.
Starting point is 01:53:18 But I don't look for this stuff. It just happens. You know, it just shows up. There was another story I didn't really delve into, and that was Dubai. I was approached by an American who lost his visa. So what happened, like, in the Middle East, is if you owe money to anybody there, banks, the government, you're in any kind of debt. What they will do is take your visa. to strip you of your passport so you can't leave the country.
Starting point is 01:53:46 They call it a velvet cage. You can't do anything. You can't work. You can't leave. You're just there until you pay your debt back. You know, how you got to pay your debt back if you can't work, you can't leave? That's up to you to figure out. Otherwise, you're not going nowhere.
Starting point is 01:54:00 You're going to live in a hot box for the rest of your life. That's what it takes. So I had a guy approached me, American, interesting fellow. Former infantry guy, the black guy. and he just one day just said, I'm going to move to Dubai and open up an H-FAC company and a deep drilling company. And 11 Bravo infantry guy.
Starting point is 01:54:24 And he does this. No, damn. And he was worth millions, right? And he was very successful. And then he had some medical issues. He was one of his kids. He owned a hospital out of money. And then 2010 is when, you know,
Starting point is 01:54:35 they had to bust in the Middle East. Everything went under financially, right? So suddenly he found himself on lots of money and he ain't got it. And they stripped him of his passport. His wiping kids got out of country. He didn't make it out. So he'd already been there for like five years when he met me one day in a bar. I was going to get something to eat.
Starting point is 01:54:55 And I walk in, I'm wearing my yellow python cowboy boots. And he noticed he recognizes the boots. He recognizes me from social media. Comes over to me, he goes, hey, are you, you know, Dale Pompstock, you know? And I'm always like, why? He wants to know. You know? Okay, Benkerpo.
Starting point is 01:55:10 Okay, friend. So he's like, You know, hey, follow you in the boots, blah, blah, blah. You got to talk. But he didn't tell me his dilemma yet, right? And we exchanged phone numbers. I go back to Indonesia. A couple months later, he texted me.
Starting point is 01:55:24 He said, hey, man, are you coming back? I said, yeah, I'm going to be back here soon. You know, he said, I like to meet. So we meet. And he tells me a story, right? He's been living there for five years. Can't get out? He's like, can you get me out?
Starting point is 01:55:36 So, like, get me out of country. The problem is all the neighboring countries have laws of reciprocity, like Cutter, you know, they'll turn you back in, right? You can't get out. So there's only really one way out. You can do the long walk through the desert and hope to God you never get compromised, but you still got to go somewhere or you go via the ocean somewhere. And so I told him I could help him, but, you know, it's going to cost money.
Starting point is 01:56:03 You know, I'm doing this on my pocket. And so there was a lot of, a lot of issues with getting a guy out over the ocean. So I would need to be able to take them by boat at least 500 miles. That means I need a big goddamn boat that can hold a lot of fuel, right, which costs a lot of money. So it gets worse and worse and worse, right? But I said, so I finally convinced him, you got any buddies that need to get out too? I don't care.
Starting point is 01:56:32 Four nationals, you know, you got four or five guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, guys, you all chip in and it'll be a lot easier to get out. I had a pretty good plan, too, man. It was a really good plan. I had to do a lot of secret scroll stuff because one thing about the Emirates, if you go to Dubai or Abu Dhabi anywhere over there, you'll never see a cop. You'll never see a cop.
Starting point is 01:56:52 They don't need cops. You know why? Because they got one hell of an informant system and it got CCTV camera everywhere. Everybody's an informant. Everybody gets a blue chip if they write you out and everything's on camera. So it's pretty damn secure over there. It's real secure. And you know somebody's watching.
Starting point is 01:57:08 They're always watching. I show up one night. I go to this bar and I'm there with a bunch of chicks and I got my book. And all of a sudden about 30 minutes late, this dude shows up and sits down next to me. He goes, hey, how you doing, Dale? Who the hell are you? He goes, well, you know, I'm with immigration and this and that and that. And he goes, how about tomorrow you and I meet for lunch?
Starting point is 01:57:30 Okay. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, like, hey, dude, I'm just trying to get some drawers and sell them my book, you know. It's like, we'll talk tomorrow. I'll see you. I'll see you there. then, you know, of course, I never saw them, but they're good, man. They're really good. So everything I had to do over there had to be under the radar, you know, and I'm always got to be super, super careful.
Starting point is 01:57:51 So anyways, that turned into, you know, safe houses, rat lines. You got issues with international waters, passports, leaving the dock, you know. I had a good plan, though. I had a really good plan. It involved jet skis. So, but anyways, that was another one of my little adventures. Again, here I am just minding my business in a bar, trying to get a drink, maybe for some nookies somewhere, and this guy wants to freaking help me escape from the country. And I talked to my lawyer, I go,
Starting point is 01:58:20 hey, I said, what do you think about this? He goes, what would you call this if I did this? He goes, human trafficking. I said, okay, got it. Forget I said anything, right? So I kept them out of the conversation after that. I was like, I'm not having this conversation. human trafficking. What? So yeah, but I guess he's right. I guess that would be human trafficking.
Starting point is 01:58:44 Let's hit up some user questions here, Dave. Yeah. For people who are watching, Dale, if they want to contact you to procure your services as a security consultant or a concubine or whatever the case may be, I won't say human trafficker, where can they find you? So I'm mostly on Instagram now, official American badass, Del Comstock. I'm getting really getting far away from Facebook. I'm still on there. I actually got banned.
Starting point is 01:59:19 I got banned from LinkedIn and from Twitter. You know, for stating an opinion that, of course, you know how that all works, so they didn't like it because it's me. But they actually gave me my Twitter account back yesterday. and LinkedIn I'm still working on that and I only use those anyways that's another story so you can find me on Twitter now
Starting point is 01:59:40 maybe LinkedIn you try to get a reinstated today but for sure Instagram Facebook I have a website Dalecomstock.com you can go through that you can reach out email me through there my email address is American Badass at Dalecomstock.com. Pretty easy remember American Baddack Dalecomstock.com
Starting point is 01:59:58 so you can reach me there as well those are the main ways to catch a I'm not hard to find and people can like you're you like you I know you're working on
Starting point is 02:00:08 numerous books right now and and honestly thank God you're immortal because you know it'll take time to write all those stories but but for your first book
Starting point is 02:00:18 people can they can read American badass it's available on Amazon it's available anywhere people buy books Amazon.com and it's interesting because you know
Starting point is 02:00:29 you talk about building these provides explosive devices for, you know, when you're working with UAE and, you know, what a lot of people don't understand who haven't been in the military or haven't been in that situation is that explosives and breaching is it's, it, it's its own very specific field. And when you're in Delta, you were the breacher in Panama for the, uh, the American hostage crews, like you breached the cell there, which, you know, after years and years of combat and Afghanistan and Iraq and whatever.
Starting point is 02:01:04 Like, Panama is such a forgotten event. But at a point in time, it was one of the primary combat events that had happened in U.S. you know, in U.S. history of that time. Yeah. No, and you're right. It's, you know, it was well executed, well planned, well executed. You know, we didn't take any casualties. of the assault team that went in, I think it's 23 or 26 of us total.
Starting point is 02:01:36 We had WIAs, we got helicopters get shot down, but nobody was KIA'd. And we completed the mission. We saved Kurt Muce. We plucked them out of their jaws of death, man, literally. And it's an amazing story when you read it, you know, when you know all the details that went into that, things that could have went bad, you know, like my little, my little foe paw there. at the door. You know, I fixed it, though, and he's alive, so it's all worked out. But yeah, you know, I look at, you know, I look at that. I looked at my whole military career. So, you know,
Starting point is 02:02:14 I started out in the 82nd Airborne Division, infantry, long-range scout, the four-year mark had to made the decision. Do I want to stay in? Do I want to get out? decided to go for the gust, so I'm going to try out for Delta, which was almost statistically impossible for me to succeed. but I did at the age of 23, the youngest guy ever, average age 33. Next thing you know, I'm there 10 years. I go to the Q Corps while I'm there. I've become a light and heavy weapons guy. And I'm going on a third special forces group, became a team sergeant.
Starting point is 02:02:42 I had seen combat. Every combat event since 1980, we've got a native, right up to the presence, in fact. I've been to all of them with the exception of Bosnia. That's the only one I didn't participate in because I was in that transition, retiring out of the military. But I don't feel like I really missed anything either. But I've been in every conflict since that time up to the very present to include Yemen. But I went from, you know, I thought, okay, going to Delta, that's, you know, I remember guys should say that's the final frontier of the military.
Starting point is 02:03:16 That is the pinnacle. You know, everybody, look, Seals, Delta Force isn't trying to be a seal, but we've got seals. They're trying not to be Delta. You know, everybody wants to be at the pinnacle. Delta. And so I thought, you know, man, I reached the pinnacle at the age of 23. Then I get out and then I get recruited by the alphabet company. And, you know, as you know, Dave, it's not an easy right to do all that, the betting process, the, you know, the polygraph testing, the background checks. There's a lot that goes into that, super high attrition rate, probably higher than the
Starting point is 02:03:55 unit. And so, but here we are, right, made it. And so then I thought, well, does it, I thought Delta was a final frontier. Okay, I guess this is the final frontier. Right. Or is it? And then I get approached with this whole other thing, this mercenary work. And then I realized, no, that's actually the final frontier because now I'm going downrange with the same weapons Al Qaeda has. I'm, I'm literally sewing, like a grandma, I'm so on my frequently, equipment trying to make shit to fight with, right? I'm improvising everything I got. And I'm going to go in a street fight with that bad guys, no better equipped than they are.
Starting point is 02:04:34 Right. And the only than it's going to win the day is my skills of self versus their skill set. Right. And so to me, that was the ultimate, ultimate, that was being, that's the ultimate warrior right there. When you can go to combat and you don't have big army behind your support you, you don't have close air support. You don't have a medic to drag your ass off of battlefield. It's just you and them. and it comes really comes down to your training and your mindset and your warrior spirit when it comes to that and you walk away and you still got your arms and legs you know it's a win and to me that was the ultimate so I feel like I've gone the entire gamut you know the entire spectrum of warfare um as a warrior you know from you know basic infantry guy to mercenary and everything in between and it's never enough it's never enough it's never enough
Starting point is 02:05:25 So I sit here and I ask myself, if somebody were to come here right now and go, I've got an opportunity for you. If you'd be interested, there's a pretty good chance. I'll say two things. How much? And when do I leave? Right. You know, that's the truth.
Starting point is 02:05:41 You know, it's in the blood, man. Once it's in there, it's in there. You can't, you know, you always go back for another drink at the well until you fall in the well and can't get back out, you know. Well, it's funny, too. And this is getting to the questions that people ask, but. Uh, something, somebody sent a, uh, us an email earlier, um, and, uh, on our Patreon and join our Patreon if you're not a member. Why aren't you? Uh, but, but somebody's writing D. And you know,
Starting point is 02:06:11 you're talking about, you know, always reaching that top and then going out and, you know, sort of being this consummate warrior, even when you're fighting without all the U.S. support, without the aircraft, without all this. And somebody wrote D and said, there's an old team house episode where if you're asked the guys, they asked Jack and I for the 12 people they would want on their ODA or their team in combat. And Dave said he would take himself in Leavendale Comstocks. You know, and I better start reproducing them. But, but, you know, like we've known each other for a long time and you've always been that, you know, you have been that, you know, sort of Koska, Eternal Warrior, that the guy that was, that was bred for war.
Starting point is 02:06:55 And, you know, we interview a lot of, you know, we interviewed people who were like Mac V. Saug and then went to Rhodesia. And like, that is you. You're the modern equivalent of guys still getting after it as they're pushing 70. You know, we know some of those dudes, you know. You know, the man bred for war.
Starting point is 02:07:14 Yeah. You know, you're right. And I do know some of those guys. You probably know the same guys we're talking about, you know, that they're actually also my inspiration. When I see these guys like Jesus, you're 78 years of all. old and you're still out there kicking ass, you know, it's, what, what they have done is
Starting point is 02:07:31 they've broken paradigms for me because we all believe, we all are unculcated as mindset. You know, we only have so much, so much utility, so much shelf life, you know, when in fact, we, we can fight, look, man, some of the best warriors are the oldest warriors in the planet, man, you know, you got, you got everything, you got experience, you're onry, you know, you're freaking don't take a lot of shit no more. And you've gotten past all the fear and stuff, you know. And it's always been a part of who I am growing up. You know, my dad was in the Army for 20 years.
Starting point is 02:08:03 I grew up mostly in Germany at the bases over there. And I remember the all we did as the boys, you know, we would go out with our BB guns and our dad's army equipment and helmets and K-pot and low-bary equipment and play Army every day and shoot each other with BB guns and shit, you know, and hand-to-hand combat. We played war. and that's what I was brought up in. It was playing war. I was in the Oggi already when I was a little kid, man, you know.
Starting point is 02:08:31 And it just seemed like a natural fit because when my dad retired, you know, we retired out of Fort Huachuca, Arizona. We moved to San Francisco. We moved to San Francisco. I mean, how cruel is that, right? And I go to San Francisco, and I'm like a fish out of water. I go, holy shit. You know, these kids are not like the people I'm growing up around.
Starting point is 02:08:50 You know, it's a totally different culture. And I couldn't wait to go back. I couldn't wait until I was of age and I was able to go to a recruiter. And so as soon as I was old enough, I went down and signed the papers and put me in a coach. I couldn't wait to go back because the military culture is like no culture in the world. Unfortunately, we live in a society now where they're trying to dilute it. They're trying to water it down. It's all this political correctness crap is setting in.
Starting point is 02:09:18 It's a different army. I'm starting to see it, you know, and it's not the one I grew up. up in and we'll see how that works out for us in the future but something something telling them it ain't going to work out well but that's the mindset I was raised it you know I was always a warrior I was always a fighter even my parents you know my parents were like turn the other cheek and walk away they're like kick his ass if you don't kick his ass don't come on my mama kick your ass you know that was my parents man you know they they were warriors too my mom and my dad you know pit bulls and expected me to fight and if you got hurt tough
Starting point is 02:09:50 shit you come home or hurt you again you're losing you know you know women And so that's how I was raised. And guess what? I'm not a bad guy. I have no criminal record. Zero. You can check it out. Said nothing.
Starting point is 02:10:01 I've never done nothing wrong. I don't even have speeding ticket. Okay? I'm a good dude. What I do is I do for righteousness. Right. I think it's right. You know, I stand for, I stand to fight for the weak.
Starting point is 02:10:14 I stand for fighting for people that are the innocent, you know. That's what I'm here for. And the world needs guys like me, especially our country. They need us. Yeah. You know, they need us, you know. And whether they like it or not, they need us, you know. And so I'm proud of that.
Starting point is 02:10:28 And I have no regrets. It's made me who I am. I've learned a lot of lessons. I'm not perfect. Made a lot of mistakes. But I continue to grow, continue to evolve. And even though I said already I'm 59 years old, I don't feel like I'm 59. I'll stomp the shit out of any 29-year-old out there, man, all day long.
Starting point is 02:10:46 Yeah. You know, I can still shoot. I can still fight. I can still do everything I did before because I choose to think that way. Right. You know, I choose to think that way. And I'll always be a warrior. I kind of like paradise right now.
Starting point is 02:11:00 But you know what? Like I said, if I walk your door, go take confidence, I got to deal for you. How much? And when do we leave? Let's roll into some viewer questions. So, Podia 1, thank you very much. Can you talk about the funniest experience and lesson learned from Gary O'Neill? Repeat that again, the funnest experience?
Starting point is 02:11:24 The funniest, yeah, the funniest experience, uh, learn. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I met Gary O'Neill in 1982 out of Camp McCall. Now, back then he was a stud, black hair, you know. Guy was a freaking machine, man. And he still is, man.
Starting point is 02:11:42 I love Gary, man. He's a good dude. Didn't know anything about him. My whole platoon, my Lurt Patoon went out to Camp McCall to the Sear course. And it was cold. I remember it was like November. And we went in a bear pit every morning. to do hand-to-hand combat, right? So you remember, you know, sawdose pit, you know,
Starting point is 02:11:58 especially when it's cold and it's wet. It's like freaking concrete, right? So, but we're out there and we're standing a circle and our patrol cap stuff, you know, young guys. And then Gary comes out and he's the instructor for the combatant's portion. We don't know anything about this guy. And then we start hearing the stories, right? Guys walk through 77 ambushes, you know, Vietnam, Lurk, this, that, that, that, Saundon's said to take out, you know, he's the expert with the knife and he's been taking dudes out all his life, you know, like, whoa, what the fuck, right? And then, and then he starts going into the mind over matter stuff, right? And like, okay, so he has a bucket of water out there,
Starting point is 02:12:36 a couple buckets of water with a rope tied to it, and he's got bicycle spokes. And he starts with taking one of the bicycle spokes, and he pulls his skin out of his neck, and he jabs the bicycle spoke to his neck, right? And then he picks up the rope in the bucket of water, loops it around the thing, and he lifts it up, and his neck's all stretched out, and he's going around circles to spend the bucket. And we're like, holy shit, right? And then he stops. He puts folks through his arms, right? And he lifts up the buckets again, and he's swinging them around, right? And I'm like, we're like, this is some masteristic shit right here, right? And then he lays down and he has a dude drive over with a quarter-ton jeep over his belly. And he gets up and goes, hey, I don't mind.
Starting point is 02:13:17 It don't matter, right? It's like, Jesus Christ, right? He goes, I'm going to teach you how to fight and how to win and how to kill, you know? And I, and I, and I, and, and, and, he gets up. And, he goes, And I was in awe, man. I was like, wow, wow. This guy is like a real life superhero, man. You know, I just saw it. And so right then and there, Gary O'Neill became my military mentor for the rest of my life. I have modeled myself as a soldier after him.
Starting point is 02:13:41 No shit. I read the books, right? I'm like, this dude, that's what I want to be like. I want to be that guy, you know? And so I followed Gary over the years, you know, got out. He started bouncing. I've heard all the stories, you know. He was hanging around Jim West, Smokie.
Starting point is 02:13:57 He's a good friend of mine. You know, and then it was a Chinas and all those guys. You know, I heard all the stories and stuff. I thought, man, that's why I want to be a soldier to guys like that. That's the kind of, I want to be that guy, you know. It reminds me when I went to third group one time, the Sartner Major, command sergeant major calls me his office. Just met him.
Starting point is 02:14:17 And he's like, Comstock, let me ask you questions. He goes, what's wrong with Rambo? Rambo? He goes, yeah, what's wrong with Rambo? I thought about it, and I go, I don't know, nothing. He goes, that's right. There's nothing wrong with Rambo. He goes, why can't we feel more like Rambo?
Starting point is 02:14:33 I'm like, yeah, yeah, hard, yeah. Like, that's what I'm talking about. Why are we going to be these little gentlemen warriors, right? And let's be fucking Rambo. He goes, there's nothing wrong with Rambo. He goes, I want you to train all my ODAs in combat, hand combat. And I were right on. So I did.
Starting point is 02:14:51 I started running all the hand-to-hand training for a third special forces. I was running a team through my training every two weeks, another team. Every morning on my own time, zero 500 to 700 in the morning. I was going on my own time training in ODAs and combatives, you know. I wrote the manual all that shit. But so I look at Gary O'Neill, right, it's always been my mentor. You know, we've crossed paths here and there. We've done some interviews together.
Starting point is 02:15:17 And what was interesting is when I wrote my book, American Badass. I did not know that he was actually writing American Warrior at the same time at the same time American Warrior American badass I go man that is so cool he's my mentor he is the American
Starting point is 02:15:34 warrior you know I'm just a dumbass badass badass you know follow him you know and so I'm American Bass he's American Warrior and I just thought that was really kind of cool that you know my mentor is writing the book also you know and I'm able to write a book because
Starting point is 02:15:50 of his mentorship of what he showed me only in the life, you know, he molded me as a warrior, as a soldier. Now, I've got a lot of mentors.
Starting point is 02:16:00 My father was my mentor, big time, my number one mentor, my grandfather. You know, Jim Smokey West was actually one of my mentors for martial arts.
Starting point is 02:16:10 I mean, this guy taught me how to fucking, how to really fight. Yeah. You know, you guys know, you know,
Starting point is 02:16:16 Jim. We've had him on. And Smokey, yeah. He, So he's actually one of my mentors as well, right? And then Gary O'Neill. So I've got different mentors for different parts of my life,
Starting point is 02:16:26 but I'm the amalgamation of all of those guys, the good and the bad, and that's who I am. And so, you know, hopefully now, you know, I am now a mentor for many out there. I do have a lot of young men that follow me. I have a lot of coaching clients that come to me and go, hey, I want to learn, man. You know, I want to learn the mindset, you know.
Starting point is 02:16:45 And so I teach them how to think, not what to think, how to think. Right. And that's what made all the difference is, you know, this way of thinking that Gary has, you know, and Jim has. And, you know, my father has and my grandfather has. There's certain people in this world that have shaped the way I think. And it's because of that, I am who I am today. Chris Wilson, thank you very much.
Starting point is 02:17:11 Dale, do you think you would have whooped 10 seismic had that fight not been shut down? Yeah, hell yeah. all day long man funny you said that bring that up because not too many people know about that so it was 19 I'm going to say like 1988 88
Starting point is 02:17:30 89 something like that I can't remember now so though I fought the first Valli Tudor match in the United States in Richmond Virginia Valli Tuto is Portuguese for anything goes UFC was just coming out I got
Starting point is 02:17:45 you know I had an opportunity to fight this Valle Tudo match So I went to Richmond. It was three, five-minute rounds. It was a Sanction Street fight. There were no rules. I broke both my hands, jacked up the other guy, put him in a sea collar. And then I ended up in Richmond, Virginia, and I was invited to go up there.
Starting point is 02:18:01 I think it was Frank Cucci. He had a school up there. He hosts this fight. I was invited to come up and fight Schumanski, who was at the time one of the blue team commanders, right? And apparently he was the collegiate-level wrestler, you know, all-American, blah, and they wanted me to fight him. So they wanted, you know,
Starting point is 02:18:22 they coached it as, you know, Navy SEAL versus Delta Force Battle of the Elite, right? So, so I go up there. Actually, the unit Sergeant Major went up there also to watch the fight because we already had some beer bets going because up to this point,
Starting point is 02:18:38 I don't know if you've ever heard of the CT Olympics, but it's an event that happens, usually like in Austria, they invite all the, all the SWAT teams, counterterrorist teams to come and compete, right? and it's usually 7,500 teams.
Starting point is 02:18:51 We would field a team every year. We actually had to try out for this team. It was five guys and two spares. You know, Dev Group was sending their team, and we would beat everybody's ass, even the seals in the water. We out swam them, outshot them. We always took the top five positions, always, right?
Starting point is 02:19:08 And so their sergeant major would have to keep giving my sergeant major a keg of beer. There's always a beer fit, some shit like that. So they're like, okay, let's these two guys fight, battle a elite. you know, fight for another keg of beer. So I'm going to go win another cake of beer for my S.R. Major. And so we show up in the morning and, you know, get all the work up with the doctor, the pre-checks. I think I'm good to go.
Starting point is 02:19:29 We'll come back that night. I'm going to kick his ass. This is on my agenda. And so when I get, I show up, they're like, hey, the seal got DQed. And I'm like, why? He got herpes. I go, what does that mean? He goes, well, you know, if he squirts some herpes juice, you know, eyeball, you go blind and sue everybody.
Starting point is 02:19:46 I'm like, really? What? okay so okay and so they had me fight the west virginia tough man champions and uh i made short work of that guy we can took him out pretty fast but so i never got a chance to fight him but could i have beat him hell yeah i'm a fighter man i'm pretty damn good um one thing i got that most guys don't have is i got heart man i got big lungs and i got a lot of endurance man you beat the shit out of me for hours eventually you're going to wear yourself out and i'm just going to beat you up you know yeah but uh i think i could have beat them no doubt i could have beat them i know i know i
Starting point is 02:20:17 to beat him. You know, I had kicked my ass, man. Only guy kicked my ass is Jim West. Yeah. Oh, that guy scares me, man. Yeah. I've been thrown across the room by him a few times, so I'm kind of test. Yeah. I mean, I don't think, you know, like, I don't think the people who, you know, who don't know Smokey understand just what. And not even just, like, how tough he is, but what a skilled fighter he is. Like, they don't understand what that actually means. He's a skilled fighter. I'd go further. than that. I've told them this before. He is a skilled instructor. He's one of the best instructors
Starting point is 02:20:52 I've ever met in my life. And that's where he's real, like, yes, he can kick your ass. We all know that. But his real strength, I think, is an instruction. I mean, he's phenomenally good. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, man. First time I went to him, so my son, God, man, he's 34 now, but when he was four, he was all into Ninja Turtles, right? He was out doing karate chops in the front yard. And I said, James said, you want to learn karate like the Ninja Turtles? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I ended up taking up to YMCA. Okay, that was a joke.
Starting point is 02:21:23 Or I was a daycare. And we're not getting nothing out of this. I get on the phone with a friend of mine, Bart, Bart Wiggins. He's friends with Smoky. Oh, yeah. I go, dude, you got any recommendations. He goes, yes, man. He goes, you need to go see this guy's Smoky.
Starting point is 02:21:36 Here's his address. Go there right now, right? He said, you won't regret it. That's okay. So I go over there with my kid. I walk in. And there's all these boys out that my mom's age. And they got these padded.
Starting point is 02:21:46 baseball bats. You're not after beating the shit out of you guys. He's going for it. You know, like a fucking ball. And so Jim's like, hey, welcome in. He goes, hey, go out there and fight. You know, and my son goes out there, grabs one. He's getting it on, you know, he's smiling.
Starting point is 02:22:00 He's happy. You know, my kid comes out. He says, you like that? He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's how we actually got started. And I told my son, I said, listen, man, I said, here's a deal.
Starting point is 02:22:10 I said, if you start, you have to finish. What is finishing me? It's got to have a black dollar. you got to win a black belt you can't quit you agree yes and i thought well hell why don't i just do it with him right so that's where i got involved right so now it's me and james my son fighting with smoky right training with him and there was one of the girl named susan um mayran and julie i mean julie mayran she was pretty badass man she stayed in there she was one of his other black belts and she would take a beating it just kept coming back for more man she was
Starting point is 02:22:40 amazing but um you know i so we trained with jim and by time my kid was 70 he got his first three black belt through Jim. And Jim, look, you don't do caratas and, uh, kadas and, uh, forms for your black belt. You know, ha, kia, ha, kia, good boy, here's your belt. No, what we were doing is we were literally going to karate clubs, like in Virginia, closing the doors with their master and his students that he wanted to promote. And we go in the back room and it was a sanction street fight. Me, my son and my daughter back there kicking ass like a real street fight.
Starting point is 02:23:15 This is a fight. And whoever wins gets their belt, you know. And we did that all day long, which was like, cool, watching my son, who's seven, watching my daughter, who's nine and a half, they're out there freaking throwing stubs, man, beating the shit out of each other, man, freaking bare knuckles, going around, you know, and they're earning their belt. And I go, that's what I signed up for. And nobody that I know of did that except for Jim West.
Starting point is 02:23:42 Yeah. And, you know, so I learned from him. You know, the guy has taught me a lot. Can't take nothing from him. I've got a lot of experience, you know, because of him, even my own experiences now. But, yeah, if you want to learn how to fight, Jim West is the guy to go to me. Let's keep going through these questions here.
Starting point is 02:24:04 Alex Bennett, thank you. Dale, you started up quite a few successful security companies. One of the processes of starting a successful security company and keeping it good without a. race to the bottom outfit. Yeah, so my first company I started was right after 9-11, actually prior to 9-11, 7 months prior to 9-11. I started coming to a global security consultant.
Starting point is 02:24:31 I started getting into nuclear security. I didn't know anything about nuclear security. Had no idea what I was doing. But I went to a security conference for the NRC. I said, hey, you guys, it's me. I'm here for nuclear security. If you ever need some help, call me, right? They all were scared of me and my partner.
Starting point is 02:24:45 We looked at pretty scary. We had to ruin them over two. table with little shiny things go hey i give this little nice come over here and let you talk to you you know and give me your business part well then 9-11 happened and that's when this call started hey we need to talk to you blah blah blah and that's how i got into the business it was very successful 2004 uh we sold our company of g4s whack and hug now what does it take so i made a mistake we just made the mistake of selling the company 2004 why because we thought it's going to die off security and you know it's always overhead we man we couldn't have
Starting point is 02:25:18 been more wrong ever. Triple canopy was started after my company. There's a long story behind that, but basically one of the guys, the owner played right on my website. I met the guy. I know the guy personally who's in B-squater and then all of a sudden, boom, you know, I got a competitor, but they still couldn't get in the nuclear industry. Blackwater was competing with my company. They were just getting started. Again, I was keeping them outside of the nuclear security industry. I owned all that. And then I sold the company thinking I got to get rid of it, you know, make money. And then it never went away. So I ended up reincorporating again,
Starting point is 02:25:51 a company called Risk Control Institute. I sold that in 2011. And then I've been doing that ever since, you know, I've got my company here, strategic outcomes Indonesia. I have a company called Strategic Outcomes, Florida. I have 201 performance coaching. So these are small enterprises.
Starting point is 02:26:07 You know, some of them are dealing with security. What's important is, and this is where everybody makes the mistake, they become discouraged. You've got to have a dream. You got to have, you have to imagine what you want, what it looks like. Every nuance about a company, you have to sense it here and now. And that sounds kind of crazy.
Starting point is 02:26:30 But it actually ties into what I teach, which is autogenic conditioning and future pacing. So this company I have here in Bali, I imagined it a long time ago. And I saw, okay, I'm the only guy to know anything about training canine. The only guy. So suddenly, my wife, who doesn't know how to turn on a computer. didn't know how to turn our computer five years ago now I went to macbook pro because I trained her I taught her how to use Excel speech I taught her about HR I taught her okay we need licensing okay what do we got to do is let her manage that oh we need people okay we need to train people we need to find
Starting point is 02:27:03 dogs we got to train dogs so what I did is a train the trainer program I started with my wife then I hired a field supervisor and then I hired trainers and I trained the trainers train the trainers and train the handers and playing dogs and this thing started to grow and virgin awesome to the point where I don't do anything. My wife runs the entire company, every aspect of it. Licensing, payroll, HR training. She trains the dog. She trains the handlers. She does, you know, a lot of the business interactions and networking, things like that. So it has, but it started with a dream. The dream was I would love to live in Bali, Paradise, right, where I have my own business and I get to take my dogs that I love, my pets, and make money.
Starting point is 02:27:48 off of them and to train them. How cool is that? It's not really a job. And so I imagined everything I have and it became a reality because, because Albert Einstein said, not just Albert Einstein, but Nikola Tesla and many other physicists, success is based on frequency. It's not philosophy. It's physics. It's physics. And this is the key. It's not about willpower. It has shit to do with willpower has shit to do with philosophy. It's only going to get you so far. What gets you over the finish line is imagining where you want to be and the life that you want to live.
Starting point is 02:28:24 I'm actually living that life. No, I'm not rich. I don't want to be rich. That's not my objective. My objective is be happy and experience all the things I want to experience. And I live in Bali. And I live in the Philippines. And I live in Florida.
Starting point is 02:28:38 How cool is that? And I make my own hours. Here I am. I come in at 7 o'clock this morning. I do a call with you guys, you know. It's the dream. It's the imagination. And it's physics.
Starting point is 02:28:49 It's literally physics. It's always physics. That's another area. I can't go into that now, but it has to do with frequency. It has to do with your nervous system. It has to do with metaphysics. There's a lot more to go into this.
Starting point is 02:29:04 But all my success is everything I've ever done in my life, had nothing to do with willpower. It had everything to do with imagination. Right. So if you want to start a security company, start with the dream. What's it going to look like? What do you want to look like?
Starting point is 02:29:19 What do you want it to feel like? How do you want to live it? You start with that. Then you invoke the next thing it's called the law of action. You have to do something. Start doing the research, as I did. Start training the trainers.
Starting point is 02:29:30 Training my wife. Start a building. All of a sudden, I'm a one man. I'm a one-man army. And I got 65 employees. I got 45 trained canines. I got a corporation here with a lot of assets and go kick an ass.
Starting point is 02:29:44 Right. It started with a dream. Right. Alejandro, thank you very much. Same question I asked Paul How. What do you think is the best and most effective piece of protective equipment and kit a team guy can wear? And why is it the mustache? Thanks for coming on, mate.
Starting point is 02:30:08 This has got 33 kills, my friends. That's right. R2D. think, oh, did you want to respond to that? Yeah, actually, actually I do have an answer to that. Body armor, all right. So when I was in the unit, all we wore was, all we wore was body armor with no plates, level 3-8, right?
Starting point is 02:30:29 And everybody just wore the vest, except for me. I actually wore the collar. I wore the plates, and I wore the groin protection all the time. And people thought I was being a pussy. I go, no. And I had a conversation with Pete Labor, who was my troop commander at the time. He wrote the book, Mission, Men and Me. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:30:48 We're having this conversation about body armor. And his attitude was, look, I want to be light, you know, and be able to move fast. And I'm like, yeah, I want to be able to take a lot of hits and just keep on moving nice and slow methodically and take them out. Right. So it was, you know, opposing, you know, opposing positions on body armor. Most guys didn't want to even have to wear it, but they had to wear it. So they wore as little as they needed. Right.
Starting point is 02:31:11 So then then Mogadishu happens, right? and freaking dudes are getting killed like the Pro Tech helmet Okay, I always wore the Kevlar helmet I got pictures of me in the whole unit Everybody wearing Protech except me I'm wearing Kevlar, right? Everybody thought I was just pussy till Mogadish you have
Starting point is 02:31:27 Then they couldn't find enough Kevlar helmets They couldn't scrap on enough armor They couldn't reinforce their body armor They didn't have it I'm good Right. Put me in. I'll fight the war by myself Right, so to me that's always And I watch to go down in Afghanistan
Starting point is 02:31:43 right. So guys are going out hump in the mountains and stuff and all the carrying is a plate carrier, right? They're going light just the pellets a plate carrier and like why? Well, he has the weight, you know? And I'm like, well, dude, everybody, every FOB has got a gym now. Get your ass in there and go to work. Keep working out until you can carry all that weight and it doesn't affect you. I always wore full armor, full plate, full protection. Always. Always. I don't care how high up the mountain I'm going to go. I always wore it. And if I was a weakling, I made sure I got into that gym and kept working out until I can maintain it. And I always carried armor. To me, it's the most important thing you can carry besides your weapon is your armor.
Starting point is 02:32:24 I know a lot of guys are alive today because they were wearing armor. They were taking hits right into the plate through their vests, you know, and they were surviving it. So to me, that's the most important equipment you can carry is body armor. Give yourself a chance. You know, if it's too heavy, get your ass in the gym. all right work out all right build up to it that body armor eventually will become a part of your body you won't even know you're wearing it yeah you won't you know it's like my backpack i carry a backpack around 35 pounds every day it's my man person been carrying it forever and i get used to it
Starting point is 02:32:57 it doesn't even bother me the way it carried all day long you know everybody else would be sniveling about it but you know if you do something long enough your body will adapt to it and so my answer is armor wear your armor wear all your armor okay so don't take no shortcuts Just like you don't take a shortcut with your weapon. And where those plates, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, dude. The plates stop.
Starting point is 02:33:19 They stop the 762, man. Yeah. Otherwise, not doing any good. R2D, thank you very much. Thank you, Team House. Love your work. Another phenomenal interview. Well, that's because we have a phenomenal guest.
Starting point is 02:33:35 Thanks. Alejandro, thanks again. With all these things you've done in the private sector, how much you think a giraffe, would sell for on the open market. When he says open market, I think it means black market. And he says, hope you can come back. And definitely when you're next book pops, Dale, we want to back.
Starting point is 02:33:54 Yeah, yeah. The giraffe is a bit of an inside joke. But if you had to wager what a giraffe goes for on the black market, what do you think, Dale? I don't know, man. A giraffe. Yeah. Yeah, you got me on that way.
Starting point is 02:34:08 I have no one. If you have horn? what old Dale like what what if you showed up to one of your clients and they said hey you know I'm trying to get rid of this illegal zoo the last thing I has is this a giraffe full grown you live in Bali uh would you buy it how much would you pay for a giraffe shit what am I going to do with a giraffe I don't hey they do have zoos here and they actually do have uh they're right here in Bali have the Bali zoo and they have all kinds of elephants and ties and shit like that stuff you would find Indonesia.
Starting point is 02:34:46 I don't know if you'd find a giraffe here, but, you know, we could probably add a giraffe for a couple bucks. I think, I think it was J.T. Patton, who had that conundrum. It was, yeah. And I think he said it was like $36,000 or something. I can't remember, but yeah. Sporman Group LLC. That's Clint.
Starting point is 02:35:09 Clint. Clint. Thank you very much for the donation. I think that's Clint. did you ever get a chance to meet or train with Carl Sastari before he passed? I don't think so. Yeah, he was a, that's where we all met Clint. He was a big World War II OSS Fair Bar Sikes.
Starting point is 02:35:26 Yeah, yeah. We'll have to introduce Dale to Clint the next time. Yeah, for sure. Into the city. At Jungle Jim Scott, thank you very much for your donation. We deeply appreciate it. And that's, that's it, man. Dale, thank you so much for doing this interview, waking up, Earl.
Starting point is 02:35:42 out there in Indonesia to do this. This has been phenomenal, man. It's really fun to catch up with you again. Talk some more about some of these wild adventures that you get into. And I'm looking forward to the books. You said that the tentative title for the next book about your adventures and misadventure adventures is running the Razors' Edge. You're still working on it, though, working on a few other projects as well.
Starting point is 02:36:07 Yeah, when you get some of these to publication, let us know. We'd love to talk some more. Yeah, what I'm going to do is I've thought about what I'm going to do is make them all e-books. It's easier to copyright it and send it out, right? And then if there's somebody that wants a hard copy, then I have a source I can go to that can actually print, right, for someone that wants a hard copy. But I'm going to kind of, because I actually sell mostly e-books on Amazon, even my book. Most people just order, you know, PDF copies of it. So kind of the way everybody's going now in these days.
Starting point is 02:36:40 but for those that want it for nostalgia purposes or an autograph, I'll make hard copies as well. But it's been on my agenda. It just seems like every day I get ready to sit down and start writing again, something pops up, you know, another to-do thing. It's all good, though. It's all in the right direction. But I'll have it soon. I'm excited about getting it out. I'm excited about getting all the books out.
Starting point is 02:37:04 I think that once I'm finished with the details, and I think some of them have potential. it'll maybe be a movie, you know, or could go down that road easily, you know. Absolutely, Dale. Yeah, Dale, I, uh, I recently, someone was talking about how this could make a great movie. And I recently, I volunteered myself to play a young Dale Comstock, acid gambit era. We need to get him a suit, though.
Starting point is 02:37:29 No, no, no. Back in, back in 89, like, Dale was kind of like, not quite my size, but he wasn't quite Dale's size today either. So I think like 80, 89. 89 era, I could jump into that role. Dale, so you're doing coaching now for either young people who are seeking success in whatever arena they, or even executives, where can they find you for their coaching if they want to hire you? I would recommend either go to my website, Dalecomstock.com, or just directly email me American badass at Dalecomstock.com. And do you do group coaching?
Starting point is 02:38:12 Like if there were a bunch of like military hopefuls that wanted to like get together in a group, do you do things like that? Yeah. Yeah, I do group sessions. It's less expensive as well for them, you know. It's more interactive. And then I do a lot of mostly private coaching. Most of the guys and girls that come to me. My primary demographic is men between 45 and 59 and women.
Starting point is 02:38:38 I call them the old man clan. they're the ones that put the kids to college. The wife won't talk to them anymore. They're fat and pregnant. And they're like, you know, I want to recapture, recover my life. So I get those guys. And then I get men between 33 and 37. These are mostly business entrepreneurs.
Starting point is 02:38:55 Some are veterans. Some are not. They're looking at how can I expand and build my business and do more. And then the other group is men from 19 to 26. They're either veterans or they want to go in the military and they want to go into special force and special operations. and I have a unique program just for those guys to get them, get them ready for it, to include a training program.
Starting point is 02:39:16 In fact, I just signed a guy up last night. He's actually, he's actually a police officer, SWAT, and he wants to try out for DEA selection, and he contacted me. So I'm going to kind of put him in that 1926-year-old category of training, fair him for that. So, yeah, I do that. I do that quite often. I have a pretty full load. I can only take some people at a time.
Starting point is 02:39:39 because the program is normally eight weeks long it's two hours two plus hours a week on a zoom call like this it's recordable and it's it's it's goes in stages but basically what I teach people really what I teach people is how to think not what to think I teach you how to think and that's the key to this thing I mentioned physics earlier success is based on physics it is and I teach the science behind success yeah It's amazing how it works, but I do coach. I've coached millionaires.
Starting point is 02:40:13 I've coached people who all walks of life. I mean, you name it, photographers, police officers, soldiers, you name it. I've coached them. I've coached international coaches. Can Jack sign up to be coached on how to hook up with a 31-year-old starlet? Put me in the game, coach. Put me in the game. It's really easy.
Starting point is 02:40:35 Start with shaving the head and doing the mustache. All right, I'll work on it. I'll work on it. The hair is going anyway. Yeah, might as well just cut to the chase. Guys, go and go check out Dale's book American Badass that's out today. Please check out our Patreon down the description. If you haven't already, you get access to these episodes, ad free and some bonus episodes and shit like that.
Starting point is 02:41:00 It's cool. Next week, we're going to have Jim Morris on the show. He's served in Special Forces in Vietnam. He is the author of War Story. the devil's secret name and his latest book is called The Dreaming Circus I'm really excited to talk to him
Starting point is 02:41:13 he's a phenomenal dude so we will be back next Friday with Jim Morris Dale again thank you We love you man Really appreciate it man And thanks for having me We'll see everyone next Friday
Starting point is 02:41:24 All right

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