The Team House - From Drug Cartels to The Hells Angels: Life Undercover with the DEA | "Tio" | Ep. 170

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

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Hey, folks, I just want to take a minute to ask you to go in rate this podcast, let the Team House know how you think we're doing, go and rate us on whatever platform you're listening to this on, whether it's iTunes or Spotify or whatever else. Those ratings really help us out, and we really appreciate the feedback to let us know what you like and what you don't like. And if you do like the Team House and you'd like to support us, go check out our Patreon page and you can actually support the stream as well as get access to our team house. bonus segments and bonus episodes. Yeah, if you're going to give us a great review, please do. And if you're going to give us a not-so-good review, why don't you just send us an email and we'll talk about it. Special Operations, Covert Ops, espionage, the Team House, with your host, Jack Murphy and David Park. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Team House. This is episode 170. I'm Jack Murphy here with David Park. Our guest tonight is Tio. Tio is a task force officer with the New York D.E.A. office. And he is also the

first guest that has ever appeared on the team house anonymously. There's a good reason why. As you'll see in this episode, there are some dangerous folks out there that probably would like this gentleman dead. And he comes with good references. We know who he is and we know he's a legitimate guy, but there are some very legitimate security risks. So Mr. Tio, welcome on the show. Thank you very much, gentlemen. I appreciate the invite. Absolutely, man. And, you know, we kind of start off these interviews talking about our guest's origin story. Before we launch into that, actually, we want to talk about what we're smoking, what we're drinking here tonight? Oh, yeah. So we brought out a bottle of Diplomatica, a VEA. A VEVALA.

Venin swelling rum, which I find to being kind of a tasty. And we compared that with a R&J 1875, which is nice. So they kind of complement each other. Yeah, we just opened up the box. These are their Grand Taurus. Very good. And you're smoking a Corona from Arturo Fuente. Yeah, those are awesome too.

Yeah. It's very nice. So, you know, you. You are actually from Brooklyn, correct? I was born and bred in New York City, and I was raised in Brooklyn, New York, not too far from here in the 7-5 precinct in the East New York, Cypress Hills area.

Can you tell us a little bit about growing up in that time frame growing up in Brooklyn and, you know, kind of what set you on the path eventually towards the Marines? So, I grew up in a pretty big, neighborhood but I didn't realize that it was until I wound up coming on the job even post Marine Corps I didn't understand that there weren't people that woke up and kicked heroin addicts off of their stoop to walk over to school I just thought that was commonplace and I didn't realize that I didn't realize that I didn't realize that I

I understood that there was a difference when I first came on the job and the real interaction that I had with civilians and normal people. Right. Quote, was when I started doing vehicle stops. And I'm stopping cars and I walk up and I'm answering for the license registration and insurance. And these folks, folks are like, hi, I'm sorry. whatever you said I did I did I just baked scones would you like when I'm like a scorn I didn't even know what it's going

I'm like yeah thanks go fuck out of here you know have good day man like I was like oh so so I kind of didn't realize that not everyone was a perp and I didn't know what a perp was until I stopped

cars and like this guy's just like people that I grew up with and my cousins and my neighbors and my friends that I grew up with that were bad guys, but they're not bad guys. They're your neighbors and friends. And now, now I'm like, hold on, fucker. Like, why do you have 50 rubber bands around your turn signal? Unless you're a 55-year-old paper boy, you're probably banding money. So that's a clue, right? Step on out of the car, guy. Let's speak.

Right. Right? Right. So I quickly became really good at the season. A bunch of money, a bunch of guns, to where the senior guys were like, hey, stay out of my patrol area. And I'm like, oh, why and stuff? Like, I didn't realize it wasn't that I was making them look bad,

but I was kind of producing more. making them look bad you know yeah but growing up was that what took you towards the military initially that you were kind of in a rough neighborhood so so no no i loved uh i loved um john wayne and i love all of the uh military movies and i actually wanted to be a green uh beret i really did until i saw a full metal jacket i'm like if that's what it's like i'm joining and i joined with The three, three buddies. Just because I had always grown up with a interest in the military, I really didn't know what I wanted to do and just thought that the infantry was the only thing the military.

he did. So I'm like, Recruity, yeah. I saw a full metal jack like, I want to do that. He's like, sure, son, here you go. Sign your life where I'm like, all right, cool. You know? And was a pretty

successful through boot camp got offered a pretty good program and went to that route. But prior growing up, I always had this I always had this desire, this drive to join. And my mom who signed for me at the 17 knew and said,

I know you'll go anyway, so please just go and be safe. And I try to be as unsafe and wild as I could for my own husband. Did you have, growing up in Brooklyn in a rougher neighborhood, Did you have an impression of law enforcement at that time? So because of my speech impediment and my starter, my mom was a school crossing guard. So she would bring me to the precinct. And there was a police officer, Officer John, that had a stutter. And he'd speak with me.

So imagine that of a full-grown man and the little shit stuttering at each other. So a 20-minute conversation took an hour. But they kind of were my mentors and kind of gave me guidance to where I didn't really get it in that aspect. right um so i i never wanted to be a cop ever but i was getting out of the uh marine corps and on camp uh lejeune there was a law enforcement in career day and my wacky buddies's like let's go see so i'm like i i have no interest in so he's like come on so we walk in this gym and there's every major police department lined up around the gym. There's NYPD, there's Detroit, there's Chicago, there's Miami, Phoenix, L.A.

So we're going booth to boot. And maybe in a city kid, like I can gravitate towards the NYPD booth. And I walk up and probably the recruiting staff they sent was not the best to recruit the finest, fighting force in the world. And I had one guy like six, seven, like 140 pounds, like Iqabod Crane style. And I'm like, this guy just looks weird. Another guy, glasses on. He looked normal.

I get close. I realize that his glasses like double Coke bottles. And I get really close. I see his eyes across too. I'm like, oh, that's the last person you want to be in the stack with behind you. You know, he's like, you take the shield. I'll be behind you.

I'll squeeze you. You ain't squeeze it me, fuck, right? And then a female, you know, five foot tall, five foot wide, five by five. And then a little person, like a midget. That part's not the true, but I say it because I wound up teaching the course fast forward 20 years later. And on the first break, a NYPD massage is like,

yo, I had one of them fuckers on the range, and he pulls out his phone, he has a picture of this little person shooting, which I thought was great. I love him. My best friend growing up was the same name. So I have lots of love and respect. So I go from booth to booth to booth any agency that I end up going to. He's standing in the corner all by himself.

He's like 6'12 V-shaped, Sam Brown on the guys that rock. like, Dar and I and I there is Pat, I say, sir, why like

should I join your agency? So he puts his hands and he interview Seth. He says,

young man, you need to join my agency because we are the United States Marine Corps of law enforcement in New York

State. And he stared me straight in the eyes. I was like, this fucking guy is awesome. Yeah. Sign up. Some wild reason I scored like the 86th list.

Remember and I got called and I go away to spend the next six months of my life there. And I'm all proud in my Sears in Roebuck suit. Walk in there because I'm going to be the Marine of law enforcement in New York State. walk in there within the first three minutes. I realized the biggest line of bullshit I had ever heard. For the next 26 years, it was just like that, you know. So I didn't really want to be a police officer, but I didn't want to move back in my mom's basement either.

And towards the end, out of a state platoon, back then there were no private military companies. So I could shoot and hit a two-hugger really far away, wanting to call the air and blow up a lot of shit and there was no civilian application for it. So I'm like, you'd be a greeter at Walmart. Yeah. I was like, but I know I'm going to carry a gun,

so I might as well do it legally. Right. That kind of deal. So, so that was it. Can you tell us about your first undercover assignment? the first the first um the first um one i i i have no undercover training um my parent agency um allows me to work as a task force officer with the new york field the division of the DEA and uh subsequently on and off by spending the next 20 years with them as a task force officer.

So the first one, I have no training, have no undercover training. But in that time, it's like, you're Hispanic, you're black, you're a female, you're a scary-looking white guy with the missing eight teeth, go by drugs, right? So that's how they just put us out there. So I wind up going with a CI to do an intro to win a half-s-o-c guy that they know has a strong family ties above them. So I wind up in this strip club in Brooklyn in the... six six I walk in there and they

gave me $2,000 so like just flash and play the role. I had never done a you you were a C before so the CI brings me in, does it

intro, it's all good steps off. So what do you do in trip clubs, right? You buy drinks and These guys are all the guys that they are. So you're buying drinks and bottles and you're buying Lafra dancers. And you're paying the girls to shake that ass and keep on shaking that ass till my two grand's gone, right? Right.

Yeah, you're making it rain. Absolutely. Before it wasn't a thing. You made it rain before making it rain was cool. And these are all. like mobbed up Italian guys. Oh yeah, so straight up OC organized crime guys.

So, so, um, so, um, we're in there. I'm in there. And I didn't know the average intro and you see last you go, sit down, talk, have it in a drink and arrange

to meet and talk business someplace else. But I'm having the time of my fucking life on the G's dime. Right. So I'm like, shit, this is great. I love this job. Yeah, I'm like, this is the best thing ever.

I have like five years on. I'm like, this is the shit. I'm like, this is the best job ever in the whole world, right? So for you know, I'm in there, half hour, hour goes by, hour and a half. I see one of the agents come in and like eyeball me, not knowing, like, that is a sign, like, get out now. So I'm just like, you know, look at this clown. clown over here with the fucking merrill's on hey police officer you know you have the time you know that name can i say fuck out of here um so um that goes on about two hours and we're like

talking and it's all good so so i run out of money run out of time they all think that was like chump a change ah bro like i can move whatever you have whatever you have if it's pills if it's girls if it's coke if it's guns i can move it i'm your guy if you want to be an earner to your guys i'll make you that earner not a problem i got you whatever you need to move i'm uh you guy yeah it's fucking guy over here ha ha you know so so i stumble out now it's pitch back there's no like cause out there and it's a cobblestone street so i'm like thumbling out there and I'm like was somebody supposed to

pick me up? Do I call a cab? Like I really don't know. So I'm walking like through the middle of up of an awful inner sections and I'm like fuck do I do now when I hear

hey! Behind me I look in this no neck guy with a maca to cradle neck and his Z Cavarice's black jacket that name

doesn't fit comes out he's like hey so I'm like oh now I'm fucked right they know

so I like do it like like a fast pace walk he's like hey motherfucker and I'm like oh shit I'm done

I'm like somebody needs to save me and you know so I sit in top and like I'll just

turn and I'm gonna punch him in the balls go on the knee punch me his balls and just run. I know

I'll trip, fall and break my nose, but still, I at least want to get the first shot so he comes up and he grabs me and he spins him around and all of my tough

guy thoughts just like fizzled away, you know? Like, I'm going to get killed, right? And he goes, you're crazy motherfucker, and ha ha ha! And he goes, goes, um, he opens my Jack and it feels him like he

punches me on my side. Not a punch, but pretty hard. Yeah. Like, yeah, you know, Bobby, he's like, hey, come back next week to see us. I was like, yeah, thinking, why the fuck did you go through all the dramatics?

So I start walking. Cover team comes, picks, send me up there like get in the fucking backseat so i was like yeah what we do you're in there for two hours no blah blah blah and they're like that's not how this works i'm like nobody told me how this works i don't fucking know so they're like all right man did uh you would get the somebody's number i'm like no they're like you didn't even get you're in there for two hours you didn't even get a

phone number and i'm like no no did bambi's number count yeah yeah yeah bamby's number count yeah Yeah. Cinnamon. Got all and none. It's all good. Some of them I still have in my phone, but the bullet holes now. C name section scars. They're not as sexy as they were.

But so they're like, yo, what the fuck? Yeah, give me the name money. And I'm like, what money? They're like, two grand. I'm like, two grand. And I'm like, I spent it. They're like, what? I was like, I spent it.

Like, yo, that was just money to like show that you had a knot to like buy a drink. I'm like, nobody told me that. I was out there making it rain, right? And they're like, how are we going to explain this? Oh, shit. I'm like, oh, but he gave me this. What he had slapped on my side was the 3,000 pills of MDMA. So I'm like, you want it.

And now they're just like, holy fuck. And I'm like, I didn't buy it. It was fronted. Because at that time, the pills would run about eight bucks a pill. So they're like, holy shit. So I'm like, did I do good or not? And they're like, yeah, you dig that. Yeah.

So we worked that case, worked that case. ordered a big hit it and the goal was then to try and roll that guy and you you can't imagine how that went because that case went on for like another 18 months so that kind of deal let me uh take a second here to give a heads up to our sponsor for this show it's uh bubs naturals which is a health food company these guys bubs is actually the was the nickname of glendorty who is one of the CIA contractors who was sadly killed in Benghazi, Libya. And I only mention that because this company works with the Glendorty Memorial Foundation, and we're really happy to work with these guys. So Bubb's Naturals, they make this protein powder, which is flavorless, so you mix it with

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CI so a CI is a confidential informant and depending on the agency's city state and the local they also can be uh referred to as c s like a confidential source okay so it's just uh and uh you see just uh stands for for undercover and um lots of times the undercover when uh he or she she is out is uh referred to as the uncle just uh so you're not putting out The undercover is out, you know, because you don't know who is around you and scanning a pit. So not to put too fine a point on it, but a CI is a snitch that you recruited inside, you know, a criminal organization. And a UC is an actual police officer who's acting undercover. Correct.

Right. So, but, right. And it wouldn't be uncommon to have a CI to do a intro with a UC. And typically that's a, that's. this is my boy how it goes yeah right but but i've done a bunch of cold um intros without uh a a c i like towards towards uh the the end of my uh career prior uh to me uh retiring from uh the job i had enough experience and

confidence and skill at that point to be able to identify, locate, and strike up a conversation. Make your own introduction. Yeah. Yeah, and those always wind up being the best cases. So because even though they are and informant, you really want to protect them as much as you would, someone else on your team.

and people become in formance for all sorts of reasons either to work off time or for money or for vengeance

the best the CI is a woman's scorn that's true I know with that motherfucker stash house he has two guns and there's a concealed compartment in his car and this is that fat bitch that he's fucking and this is her

number and all that kind of shit they are the best but the you better work them really fast yeah because tomorrow what they get back with yeah yeah right they get back with him yeah then this whole shit is moved yeah so um can there's some uh that the work uh for uh visas to like stay in the country so there's all sorts of reasons why uh people decide uh to work and and some few really just want to want to get out of the life and they feel that they are going to make a difference

by turning in like a major dealer that's hurting people in lives and some of them find Jesus and that is their they're a name Quebec so they aren't all those greasy little

hand wringing rats a uh, standing in the, uh, shadows. And I've had, uh, relationships with, uh, some for 20 years and, uh, um, always keep that line like, a snitch is a snitch, but, um, any of human beings. And some, you would kind of want to be friends, hang out with because they're like cool guys, but you can't, right?

Right. You never blur that line and you can't ever forget that wear the good guy. Like we wear the white hat and you always wear that white hat. And the first time that you can compromise your integrity or develop that relationship beyond work, it becomes a big problem. It must be pretty hard. Like I think if you're on the outside of a situation like that, you're like, oh, well, you know, you're the good guy and you always be the good guy. But when you're living that life, it's got to, I imagine that it might be hard to sometimes go, like, this isn't a big deal. This one small thing isn't a big deal.

So, right, evidence and bad guys and money. Those are three things. It's a hard and faster rule. So if you want to lose all the nice shit, you got your house, your jet ski, your boat, you're the invented. Corvette, your wife, your kids, go ahead and fuck around because you gave a guy four decks of heroin off of a bundle, right? Mm-hmm. Doesn't work, man. Doesn't work.

Do guys get the blind names cited? Sure. Are their third-party cooperators where a major trafficker that's in sends his wife to do things? third party cooperation and she seduces the agent. That happened to my partner very close

and crushed us all, right? Then it just hurt his own personal life like it hurt us all. For something stupid. For what money, your friendship, for ass, there's a ton of

ass out there. There's cinnamon. men and rhubon all in there right right so yeah Porsche that's right Mercedes is a bit can uh can you tell us the story about uh when you got sent to bust the guys who were uh running drugs in like semi trucks up to new york city yeah so that that's a good that was a good complete case because that started from from a in format that we uh grabbed with a uh um a mid-huh level amount of

heroin and that kid kid was just super flashy and this is my first real introduction to a real professional organization

so we hit him we roll him he comes on team American says hey I got this Mexican He moves major weight and he's looking for the name transport guys.

So I'm like, well, you found your guy. His kid had flashy car, flashy wheels, big watches and chains playing up the part. So he sets up the name intro. So I was like, cool. So I'm going to mirror him. I don't dress that way and you'll see. guys try and fit that and it doesn't work

when I wear like Fubu and Fat Farm I'm not quite pulling it off there are some crazy as white boys that are some of those the craziest violent I will go in a basement

in Washington Heights to watch a guy cut six keys or wanting to go to the mother gas and projects and purchase guns from Bloods, but if you sent me

to Lyndon Hurst, Long Island in Suffolk to deal with some pill-chewing crazy white boy, man, they make me the most nervous. Because they're so unpredictable. Right? So I'm always like, oh man, this isn't good.

But, um, so the rule of not thumb. The law is and I teach this hard and fast you have you have to be you because

they're being them humans are predatory animals we all know and they can tell if you're being fake our eyes are in front why because we hunt we aren't prays and so if we were praying they'd be on the side

our eyes would be like frogs right so these people people, they see you. They feel you and they know if you're bullshit, especially if they've done time. Upstate, feds and stuff. Those guys are truly calculating individuals that go by what they feel. They're run by their gut, which is always overridden by greed, right? So the biggest tool that we have as under covers of what is their greed. It's going to make them do something that they normally wouldn't do.

So I meet him and I jellop my hair. I got a big watch. I got my chains on. Is it just the first button on the flannel done up? No, this guy was, this kid wasn't. the mexican but he was like a normal new york city like mid level the deal so nice nice of the clothes nice nice cars so we're parked on this side street not the too far from here and um i'm waiting so i'm in the front of patrick stay i'm like yo what the fuck is this guy like we haven't

used him before I was like this kid ain't shit man I don't think he's gonna produce so we're waiting and he he calls him yo I'm here man what's up he was like yeah

I know so I'm like this guy's close so I see this Mexican guy walking by bummy looking bummy looking sneakers sweats on and he he walks right there by so I'm like is that him he was like yeah but he

walks right by the car I'm like well doesn't he know where you call he was like yeah that's strange so I'm like don't call let's wait so he squares the block he walks around the block doing the encounter surveillance right he's he looks in each car so as much as your uncover team and your ghost want to be close and i didn't realize how stressful it was to be the ghost to be the the um to be the officer take back in person um tell I became a supervisor and then ran a team because as the under cover for me it was it was fun like I felt comfortable there so this big guy hops in the backseat behind me again no no right bad guy should never yes sit behind you and he says if you motherfuckers ever come to see me again. Just like some fucking fake-ass backstreet boys,

I will never speak to you again. So I was like, I knew this guy was an idiot, right? So we talk and we myself and just him

decide to meet again because you really want to cut out the in the form because you don't know what what like they'll say. and then the first meet, like, I'll always say, yo, how the fuck do you know that guy?

Do you trust that guy? And they'd be like, uh, why? I mean, because I don't. Do me a favor? Don't tell that guy anything about me again. I don't trust them, right? So, so I wind up getting another,

uh, informants, a crack the trail with a concealed compartment in it. and we parking on Mika over here where all those trucks are parked. So I call him, I'm like, yo, let's meet. He was like, when? Like, now? He's like, okay, why?

I'm like, I have something to show you. He's like, okay. So he pulls up and I'm Dananathar, and he's like, so what do you want to show? show me i'm like go in that truck that the that the tractor with the the white the trailer attached going to cab goes in the six guys like hey and he unbolts the rear wall and he shows him a trap and says this this this void holds 100 keys i've been stopped 28 times here are the tickets to prove it they name run dogs i will guarantee uh load so he walks out

he walks up uh to me toe to toe he leans in and i'm like yeah we're going he puts his arms around with a big hug and says we're going to make a lot of money and i'm like yeah we are gonna make a whole shit load of money so we smiles we uh shake your hands off no uh fall a few week later hey can uh you go down to uh atlanta i was like yeah he's like oh um can you pick up my uh cousin i was like yeah he's like listen he's uh young uh so like bring like match box cars and toys and stuff like oh how old is he he's 10 I'm like oh cool so he wants me to go pick up 10 keys at as in a contest load so I'm like yeah yeah sure so now I'm scrimmling get the truck down there get a team oh boss is so he sends me this a fleabag

motel not the far from the highway so I get there and I'm with a local DEA team. Now my parent agency knows I'm there. It's all good. So I take my, I take my gun. I put it in under the pill and I take tape a digital recorder under a seat. So I'm waiting and I can call the name guy here. you, man, where the fuck are you are, you guys?

And he's like, they're there. Go ahead, knock, knock, knock. I open. And there's these three guys at the Central cast and like straight up movie shit. And I'm like, this is a joke. Yeah. And they're like, what's up? And I'm like, what's up, man?

They're like, this is yours? I was like, I guess so. So he walks over to the bed and he puts, the name bag bag down on zipsis so I'm like hey can you dump them on the beds

so I can get a count thinking a normal person would take one out second or not because I'm I'm thinking if I can get his late latency on a kilo

that's great because they're all wrapped and tape, right? Layer upon layer with the dryer sheets, mustard, coffee, more tape dryer sheets, no layer upon layer. Of course,

it, uh, they, they want to try and, um, they want to try to suppress that smell as much as they, they, uh, so what he does is he turns a bag up a side,

down and he dumps him on the bed. I'm like, fuck, man. This guy's smart. So I count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I'm like, it's all here. And he's like, take a look. So I'm like, all right, oh, I had never cut a kilo open before. But I've seen every episode of Miami Vice and Scarface.

So I'm like, yeah, this is easy. So I can take out my knife. I bring him Whip out the blade. I take the kilo in the palm of my left hand. Take out my knife and I stab, but I'm trying to kill this motherfucker, right? Boom.

Well, how is that gait and giloh constructed in rapids? Layer after layer after layer of what tape and glow. So now I go to pull my knife out. And I fucking can. Plus, it's all... So I'm like, shit. So now I'm this major trafficker that doesn't know how to cut a fucking kilo open.

So I'm like, shit. So I'm like trying to pull out my knife, like, you know, wriggle it back and forth. And it finally comes out. And it's staring at me like, this fucking idiot. Proper way is the name Cut a V

in the tape. and then peel off the tip of the tape to reveal the powder beneath it, which is the most come when I'm stabbing this thing like a shank and gel. I'm trying to... So they all leave like it. Good luck.

The freaking team outside is finding cover team. It's all good. I wind up leaving. So I'm driving a rental. I'm in Georgia. I'm driving a brand new Cadillac DeVille rental with temporary Texas paper tags on it. Right? Hispanic guy from New York, stuttering freak with a gun on me. I gave my friends to the team because they're going to follow me to the airport because I'm going right from there to the airport so i am get on the interstate and i'm hauling ass to the airport because i got

to make the the flight to bring these kilos back uh to new york so i'm doing 90 hundred it's all good i look back i'm like trooper lights let me up i'm like how to fuck i explain there so i pull over he walks up sees them bags rental sees sees sees see see see me and i look and i'm like you're not going to fucking believe this but i'm going to tell you this story anyway and he's like and what's that son and i'm like um i'm on the job he's like so you have a job and i'm like no I'm on the job. Not knowing, that's a New York thing. I'm on the job.

Right. On the job is like being a cop. The cop, right? So he's like, I understand. I have a job. I'm like, no, I'm a police officer and I'm working in an undercover capacity. And I just picked up 10 kilos from a hotel from these Mexican cartels with a cell that's based down here. but the the agents should be pulling up behind me he's like i said oh and i have a gun on me he's like

look it really cool so he just stands and he kind of stares i mean but i'm like they'll be right here they're there they're coming two minutes go by three minutes ago by five minutes go by no team no phone i'm like um i'm telling you this is the truth. He's like, it's better be the truth. He was like, because if not, you know where you're going, right? And I'm like, I absolutely do, sir. However, my stuttering ass isn't telling you a lie. So he goes back to his car. Then he's there for the longest seven to 10 minutes of my life. Phenomics. Infect, see more cars in the SWAT team and helicopter. Did he take your gun? or did he ask to see it or anything?

Didn't ask. I guess when you have time on and you're dealing with the people, you can tell if someone's bullshad shit or not, right? So thank God that I had a guy with a lot of times. So he comes in and back up and goes,

they're going to meet you at the airport with your cred. He's like, follow you a bit to make sure that you get there. Okay, I'm like, thank God. Turns out one of the task force officers was his buddy. So he could call his buddy. They broke off to follow the name of cartel guys when they weren't supposed to,

but that job wasn't any benefit for him. So even though they were supposed to cover me back, They're like, let's follow these guys back in to the stash house. But it all worked out. I getting into the airport. I have no clothes, just a wheelie bag with the... 10Ks, 10 keys in there. 2.2 pounds times in 10.

Wheeling myself through the airport and one of the wheels, break off so so now i'm dragging these 10 keys of cold leaving this plastic scar line through all the tiles and through the name airport i get on board it's all good arriving back back at home a few days later calling i'm like yo um uh uh your cousins here he was like good i'm uh gonna send my uh know it's a name get him cousin so i was like cool so so um we i go direct with his guys so it's a he's a transport sellhead so he may or may not know the customers coming so i arrange with them direct me in uh midtown they come um i pass off the bag uh the team puts them down they wait till that bag moves again to to like another car

about that car stop hit it it's all good it is 10 bricks it's all right guy doesn't call me the next of the day two days go by three days go by four days go by now If he's sending a test load, a test run with 10, it means that he has a lot. Right. Because he's willing to lose 10. Right, yeah. So I'm just like, shit, we've fucked this up. We got 10 keys and could have had in my mind a million.

Yeah. So I was like, guys, man, this case is done. And I'm like, phone, phone, is shit at him. I was like, what's up? Papa? He's like, we need to talk. And I'm like, all right, with the meet them at this bar in Brooklyn that we always meet. He was like, no, I will tell you where. Just start making your way to the lower east side. I was like, all right, cool. Hang up. And I'm like, well, the boss is like, no fucking way. He's going to kill you. There's no way. You're going to. There's no way you. You

gonna mean he thinks you were robbed them you smit some then i'm like i don't think so i did i was shitting inside like oh man i'm gonna get killed here but um but i had another sense sense like nah man you want to play it out it'll be all right right because most dangerous thing in this line of work on this side is to be over-conferferferferial or let your ego guide you you dead but i'm like i i have a good feeling because prior like i hadn't met this guy for drinks and dinner and when smoking and all this kind of stuff like the guy was really super nice cool guy and we had met a good 25 times between that so he brought me home to his house house here um so

I couldn't convince them but they're like we pick and they loaded the place

with the U was C's I had four ghost six ghosts inside

I had two in tables outside pulling a car and I'm heavy van with the attack

and that and long guns and the helmets and all that kind of stuff just am um waiting. So he gives me

a spot. It's in the Lowery Side Gulf of Essex. And I'm like, no, no, no, I can't go there. Why? He's like, I was, I say, I was banging the owner's daughter and it didn't really work out. So it'll be ugly. Let's meet around the name corner. He was like, fine. so i set up the uh the name team on there they name pick him up watch him park walk over

like the oh he's uh solo and he's wearing a t-shirt and shorts with an am uh elastic waist the man so i'm like he ain't armed not him dressed the like like that um sitting inside and every time prior we'd meet you give give give give me a big hug kiss on the a name of cheek how are you primal you good is everything all right i was a family blah blah so he named him walks in and he stands up and he goes sit down so i'm like yeah so he goes tell me what happened and I'm like about what he's like the bag

I was like what about about the bag I met the you guys by the way they're a bunch of sloppy motherfuckers because I gave him a specific address and they parked

in a block away and I thought that you was setting up to fucking get the rob so I was a little on nerve but I trust you

I believe in you you where boys. I consider you family. So I put that out of my mind because I didn't want to insult you or disrespect you. So I never send him anything about it.

He's like, I'm like, why? He's like, who did you have follow them? And I'm like, follow who? He's like, that far. I was like, bro, I don't know what the fuck your name I'm talking about and if you're

accusing me of something say it right now he goes what did you do I said I met them he gave in the bag they opened their trunk put it in there

drove away it was three guys didn't have one his seatbelts they look suspect and they am nervous he's like okay

and he sits there and he kicks up his black berry then and he bringing black berries common and I'm like, here we go. He waits, he sends him a second message and puts his phone down and says, can you be in Chicago next month, sending him pick up like another load? I was like, you got money? He was like, all I have is money. What I don't have is transportation. So are you ready to make this money?

I said, absolutely. So the next few weeks past, we meet a bunch of more. Hanging out, drinking restaurants. turns out to be a really nice guy, right? It just so happens that he's a transportation seller at here. So it's all good. He's like, let's meet me meet. The job is to go to Chicago and meet one of his guys there,

saying him can bring a low to the back. I'm like, yeah, sure. So I contact you sees out in Chicago. They name have a truck. They meet this guy at a truck stop, which is very common, right? Passes the bag. The agents fly it back. It's all good.

It's more than 20. it's a sub it's a substantial amount it's three big weighted bag I won't give the exact because it's going to

so um I'm like yo it's here man he was like oh that's great that's me so we go to meet at the same restaurant in Brooklyn I have a habit of

when I sit down I put my phone and my keys on the table. So that day, I borrow an agent's car, a clean car, a Jeep. So you should, religiously, you should sanitize yourself like any police stuff. You know, badges, small as phone, food, panes on with the religious symbol. or St. Michael's like, you really want to make a short end to search the car. Hey? And it's like, no, man.

It's all good. I'm like, yeah, that's cool. But I'll toss it. So I can toss it myself. The car's good. I go meet him. Walk in. He stands up with his arms out with a huge smile.

He's like, remember we did it. And I was like, we sure did. I walked over, I put my keys, and then phone her down. I can give him a big, big hug. Big old kiss on the cheek. And he's like, man, you made me really happy. And I'm like, me too, man. So he sits and I said, I look at the keys and the agent had a handcuffed key on his hearing.

some so that in handcuff keys what an inch maybe a two inches long to me that fuck was like three and a half foot long silver and shiny i'm like motherfucker you know um so how would you explain that right yeah like like like how are you gonna explain that there's a handcuff uh unless there's some weird sexual perversion that you're like hand cup and motherfuckers your leather daddy all day right right So I grab them really fast. Fast I shove him in my pocket. I'm like, oh, man, my other phone. So I go out, I come in from back and we arranged that night to him to go to a warehouse. Oh, prior to him giving me a load, we meet to go out. I was like, yeah, cool. So we go to this little Mexican restaurant.

We walk in and there's no one there. There's two guys there. There's a leather face, older guy, orchard skin booth, big old Volkswagen hubcap style of Delta Buffalo Buffle Flannel shirt and a younger Mexican male gelled up foie hawk and stuff. and I'm like, oh, this is straight old. They didn't say, hey, we're going to go meet. So we go and sit down, have beers, talking stuff, and they just wanted to meet them.

I was like, yeah, cool, it's all good. So I was like, I just met big guys. They had phone in from the west coast. I was like, this is real. Then I get the job, meet him, the keys. So now I give him the warehouse address, him, and those two show up. And there's no kilos, just same three sets of shiny bracelet for him, right? So the next day, they're being arraigned in federal court.

and I'm there in a suit and like how the marshals bring him the court there was like a little hallway behind the

courtroom so I'm standing there waiting and they bring him up and he sees me and he stopped and he starts screaming why is this guy here

this guy didn't do anything this guy's a gentleman this guy's a vis-a-visan he's never touched drugs in his whole life whatever you got it's mine that's fine this man should not be here so he's coming to my defense he has outraged the that i'm there this guy did nothing what are you doing this is a uh uh this is just terrible this is wrong so i move uh my hands from the back the front and he looked at my face and he looked at my hands and he starts like carrying up he's like no no like no it can't be and like that that teenage heartbreak sob that oh cry and he starts crying he broke to my heart for like

30 seconds he was he was like i was going to make him my son's god father how could you do this to me where brothers family and all of that guys that he thought i was a in uh forment did yeah he snished on i think i was a cop yeah and uh that was the first time that i had really built a strong rapport relationship with uh someone just as another human being and it kind of breaks your heart until you remember that this guy was breaking hundreds of thousands of family lives that their sons, their daughters

are now stealing out of their pocketbooks and breaking family ties and bonds and old beings. So this guy, as much as a person, relationship that I had with him never lost sight that this this guy really is in peddling death and it's just it's just not white so you you put your white hat back on and you don't feel bad anymore yeah it's just how it goes but that case started from one little jerk off getting Brooklyn's selling a mid level weight that that's well so did you guys develop all these pieces yourself or

would like local PD pull you in on things so basically the way to test for us forces work is that the DEA brings on state and local agencies realize a force multiplier and you wind up getting a task force credentials and vehicles and you kind of you do have the same authorization and then powers agents have while you you are deputized so a lot of these cases just generated by us okay right um so you all have state and local guys coming in from um their own uh commands narco gang unit guns or stuff and that task force really is the cream of the crop that new york field division um drug enforcement task force those are meat eaters like those are the guys producing a huge

huge uh cases and doing a thousand hours surveillance pissing in uh uh gatorade bottles and that kind of stuff and freezing in your car with the car off in January because you don't want an exhaust this signature and uh the uh of being in them for a marlborough and you can't the smoke because right so so so those are the guys that are really doing it right and um they are the ones that are producing cases and the more cases you work the more confidential sources you develop and and and those guys really are your bread and butter right so people shit talking down by he's a rat he he he is like a sniff and regardless of what their motivation maybe vengeance time money um you wouldn't be able to develop these cases without

Can you tell us the one about the Hellraiser's ball? Oh, that sounds like a crazy one to me. I was, I was getting on a federal street gang, a task force. And we wind up working the organized major gangs, right? MS-13, Latin kings, then Salvadorans with five. blood blood's a crypt and and within the village of

a hamstead three square miles of pure just just terribleness right so if I had to describe the gang culture in

New York State it would be the stinky little hemorrhoid on the asshole of New York State is like it's I know a thing, but it's just just terrible, yeah. So

the Hells Angels had a clubhouse in Hempstead thing. And they were part of the clubs that were doing

this huge Hellraises ball tattoo music convention at a at a venue this big hall on the like Nassau Suffolk line so we had a unwitting meaning us someone that was just that we had worked a relationship with wasn't an informant but didn't realize that

that he was dealing with the law in, and, uh, so we arranged to go and meet, uh, someone from a duck, uh, club. The clubs are, um, clubs that sponsor or, uh, support some of the major,

one, uh, percent clubs like, uh, tells angels, Mongols, bogos, um, uh, the outlawful. was that's a type of type of thing. So on game day, I'm going to get the intro and the unwitting can't make it. But I'm there. I'm ready.

And at that time, I wind up shaving my head. My beard was a good maybe 16. inches braided in a pig tails so I look like a maniac parent teacher meetings were like the best plus I ride up and they'd be like your kids are doing great they're they're they're like a plus thing um so i'm there and my partner's like hey my daughter's birthday tonight i got to pick up uh the cakes since it's squash like i'll call my wife and now i can't get them out i'm like yeah go we didn't think no one thought that there would be a problem because there were h a club's from all over the like U.S. and

the sunny barger was there who who just re recently passed and Chuck Zito who

was active at that time and he was on Oz and later sons and stuff so major players plus all of these support and like duck clubs but it was a cool event the first floor was like a bar with the rockabilly barbers and selling motorcycle parts

and then up stairs the set's cell phone was all vendors selling merch and tattoo booths and live bands and i rode heavy then so i was like and plus there were civilians yeah so it wasn't like a omg like an outlaw motorcycle right only the hells angels did really good right at like rebranding they are and you know where like they would throw events and it was like this they had they had swag you could buy yeah they merchandise themselves better than anyone else and they are on copyrights like don't knock off a trademark item it isn't gonna happen right so and and and everyone that I had stopped during my you uniform career was always very respectful never gave a

hard time always him shut off their bikes weren't am smart asses right because they knew better. Like, why cause a bigger problem than what this may be? Very, very smart. Right. So I felt good. Going in and there was a Nassau County special in the Investigation Squad detective that name does bikes in there in a plain close

because this is like a huge intel thing and there was a Nassau County Intel trailer outside and taking pictures but those guys are like a mob and they're like looking smile and wave because they know what the you're doing and like they expect their pictures and their plates to be taken.

So there's thousands of things. people in this venue it's cool walk around I buy a swag I'm leaving so the front door was like the world's greatest you can choke a point the two side doors are locked forcing everyone to go through a revolving door right we never go through a revolving doors So when you go through the revolving door to enter the venue in the lobby on the right was a H.A. Club out of mass selling swag. T-shirts, hats, bandanas, stickers, support stuff, right? A whole, like, eight foot. The guy behind it was like eight-foot, huge beard, gigantic, man, 300 pounds

Savage gorilla and animal, right? And then to the left was the local Long Island Club, and they had like a a U-S-shaped tables selling swag.

Selling hats and shirts and sweatshirts and stuff and alongside the back of their booth, they had hanging hoodies, sweatshirts and stuff. I was like, cool. So I'm leaving, and as I leave, I see, like, people start backing away from the revolving door.

And I'm like, that's kind of weird, but I'm leaving because I'm done. And I see this gigantic human being come in, and he has long hair, and he's dirty, and he's wearing a pagans cut. the cut is their vest denim and he's he's he's big two he's a gigantua so I'm like oh snap

and he comes in and he has like a he it's not a two by four and it's not a it's not a piece of lumber it's like one of those trees that the support a growing tree

like a those wood that they pass is He was... He was... ...into the dirt and tie the tree too. Yeah. He has that.

And he comes in with this barbarian roar and he starts smacking the name Cape Coddacruced cable. And there's t-shirts and shit flying all over it. And he's just screaming like, rah, you know? So I'm like, oh shit. But again, tactically, not the best because now his boys are kind of stuck in the revolving door. Right. He kind of blocked him. So now the H.A. Beast is like, get the fuck out of here, get out of here.

And he holds out of here like a bears spray can, and he starts spraying. Get the fuck out of here. But the guy's like, ah, you know. So now everybody's running and shit. Just to clarify, were you armed? I was armed. You were. Yeah, with a Glock 26.

but I'm dirty jeans Biker boots greasy Harley T-shirt leather vest appendix carry right so I'm like oh shit

so I see this so I back up behind the like hanging sweatshirts and I'm looking because a lot of the Hell's Angels all like ran away, you know, I was like, where these guys can go and fight?

There's a whole bunch of, but again, they're trained, they've been through it, and they've been around since the name 50s, so by no means is this their first rodeo. For me, it's mine. I'm like, this is cool and scary at the same time. You know, like, oh shit. So three pagans make it in.

behind him and I start seeing that racking action. But the first guy I named C, rack is a top of a rack. So I know, well, top rack is something firing from the open bolt. And that's not good. It's a Mac 10 or Colbrate. Oh, shit. So I'm like, that isn't good because I, I, I, I don't see his whole body.

I just see the motion of the rack. And I'm like, oh, shit. Behind him, I'm like, this just got real. Behind him, Barretta 92 AFS comes out. They listen and does the old two finger pinch a push a rack. And I'm like, oh, boy. I'm like, this just got real. At that time, this little guy, he's maybe like five, six,

older guy, bowling on top, long hair, three-nam teeth in his head, a wicked wheeler duck club to the Angels. He's screaming and he's laughing his ass off in a full fucking charge at him, with an end bopping hammer and he jumps up and he smacks one papp he laughs and he runs away i was like what the what's going on here right so so i'm tucked behind the uh hanging clothes and this angel comes and and he comes and he stands right behind the right between the rack and me there was no space there because uh i'm like getting as much

concealment as I can and he comes and I can smell the grease in his hair and his asses on my thighs. I'm like what the fuck. So I can pull out my 26 and I

cover it with my my vest name pointed at his back. And he takes from his back back pocket this little semi-on It's like a 25 size.

And he part, parts name him, like, um, sweatshirt, and he fires around. But it's, the report is really, really low, like, like, it didn't sound like a real around. So now I'm smelling like OC. So I'm like, something ain't right. So I'm flashing back to when I stop these guys and a lot of them they all carried a ball peen hammers but some carry these little

Italian-made semi-automatic uh six around slider mags so I'm like oh this guy's shooting a thing here gets gone I was there is no slack on him a Glocksa trigger but that name and trigger safety's off. And I'm like, I'll just do them here. Then I hear the report. It's real small. I'm smelling OC. And I'm like, oh, man, what, what do I do?

Do I shoot him? And I'm all the way inside. And there's 700 angels. And in Ducker Club inside. Do I scream, please don't move? Then all the paying is, and the angels are, shoot at me and

I wasn't too concerned about getting in a gun battle at that point because there were civilians there right yeah so the deal is this

if if that's what it takes and you hear cops say the most important thing for you is to go home at night Like, I never really took to that because if we're not going to put ourselves in harm's way, then who will? Like, that's our job. And if it takes me sacrificing my life to save a civilian, then I will.

I mean, flashing back to all these shootings in school shootings, like seeing guys are. freezing that's a whole another story with training and tactics and all that I never felt that well I need to go home regardless of what's a

right happening I think it's that whole military mind is set too like not that this is what I'm here for right yeah you're trying you're there to be the good guy you're like you want to

want to go home, but you want to go home with like your integrity. Right. Right. Yeah. And if you lose your life in the process because you were doing your job and doing something good, well, I knew that when I got a shield and I put a gun on my hip, right? Right. They give us a gun to carry not a pencil because this job is. inherently dangerous. Right.

So I never really subscribe to that thought and cops saying me giving this gun by like, that guy's an asshole and all this kind of shit. Well, that is just how how like I feel and you'll hear other

undercovers with a lot of experience say like if you're going to do a deal and you don't feel butterflies in your stomach, that's wrong. I've never felt that. So what do you do?

So what I do is I kind of step back and he puts it in his pocket and he runs up the stairs and he disappears. And I don't see anyone go down. So I'm just like, hmm. So a few minutes later, like I'm trying to get out of, a window or a side door to like start to usher civilians out and he comes back and he stands in the same spot and i go hey where's the gun give it the to me because i just wanted something and he goes i already got rid of it sonny's upstairs let's go like he has that weird like almost mike uh Hison boys.

Like 1930s gangster kind of voice. Yeah, like, I was like, what the hell? And he takes off running. So I was like, fuck that, I'm out of here, right? So get out of the place. I'm getting my scooby-doo, you a sea van. It was this little, like, crazy-looking van. So I'm going to get to safety.

And then call. I see this Nassau cop. pull up then I'm like hey the name you would get a shot of fire calling he he he goes yeah I was like both didn't there's in guys they are armed start the calling for more more guys um so he he goes yeah there's in five a shot and one is likely so I'm like oh shit shit. So I didn't get out. And now the Nassau guy is confronting two vans. I mean

pagans that now fled. So they all bail out. All I'm saying, yo, my bro's shot. My name bro's a shun. He's like, get back in the car, get back in the car, you know, stop. And we're like waiting, waiting for him cavalry to come. one guy makes it to pass them. So I do my full-charged flying Superman tackle,

and I frigging hit him up high. The guy just kind of like weaves a bit. Doesn't go down. I'm like, I'm screwed. So I'm wrapping legs. Legs and I'm trying to shake him so he falls down. So thank God bikers all have bad. had the knees and backs and to tell him.

So he falls over and I'm lucky enough to him getting a full amount. So nice. Face up, his shoulders pinned, and I'm just, I'm going to town. I'm wearing them out the best I can. And I see the Nassau cop like, like saying, saying, saying something, but as, you know, auditory exclusion is true, but I don't hear anything, but I say, I guess. I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever, you know, pap, pap, pap.

And I hear, and a push bumper from a patrol car stops about three inch, can't, inches away. and I can feel the radiator's heat through the grill and I can smell his brakes where they am smoking at night

looking my guys are screaming something I turn it's a Suffolk highway guy and he winds up and all I see is that nice spit shine cabaret boot

Yeah. So I didn't take it in the face. And I'm on my back. And I'm like, ah, but what did he see? He saw the plane coals, dealing with a bunch of bikes and then two dirty bikers fighting. Right. So he's screaming.

He's on a job. He's on a job. He's on now. So I'm bringing laying there and I look up and on the, like, parking lot re, uh, canning wall of a bunch of angels and his zito. He's like, you fucking rat, you motherfucker like that. To me, you know, I'm just like, oh, shit. Like, those are guys that you really don't want pissed off.

Yeah. Off of you. By that time, everyone comes. Nassau, Suffolk, the state police, the Niam Fisher police, the sheriff, like, everybody's coming. So they lock the name place down, and they go one by one to ID guys. ID&U, colors off, name, picture, you know, blah, blah, blind. Then there would have mask on in the Nassau County jacket, and gloves on their coming through in number 706 he says my name is and I'm like that's him but he looks different right he's like my

name is and I'm like that's him they're like are you sure I'm like I'm a hundred percent sure because he had on these these really unique riding boots that were unique to him so I'm like I remember looking down, hearing that voice, seeing his face, seeing boots. Because I've trained my UCs always. When you walk up, look at what? The shoes are first. Because if at the street level, when it goes bad and he runs, he's him stripping his basketball pants off, his sweatpants off,

hoodies. So now his pants and his top are completely different. So when you put out a script, male running westbound black shirt, white, fringing, sweats on, now it has a white, top and gray shorts on, but they never change their shoes, right? So it's like notice. But he had pulled his hair back, shaved his beard really nice because there you were there for hours and hours. and took off his cut, changed his jacket, put on gloves, but I'm like, that's him. So they grab him in age, carjum.

They grab 73 pagans and they searched it. They found a ton of drug, coke and meth and guns and all kinds of stuff inside. And it goes to trial. one person takes it to trial and I was like, why these guys taking this to trial? Everybody else pled except one. Why?

Because they wanted to flush out. Oh, right. They wanted to see who, who. Testifies. Who was where the snitch came from. So the judge and judge him doesn't close

the court so I'm like they're gonna see me so I shave my head bald skin and I shave my face and I go go to a costume shop and I get a liquid scar and I paint this nasty scar like from my eyebrow all the way down my elipster to name Chin. Because that seems something SIGA. That's what they'll focus on. Significant, right? Yeah.

So I go, I named past the fine, and I am court, and half the courtroom's pagan and half the courtroom's angels. I think that was the only time they all

cooperated together. Why would, when a judge Is the judge's discretion to close a court, right? Yes. When a judge knows that an undercover is going to testify, why don't they automatically close the court? Typically, they do this time. They didn't, and we fought it, and he said, no, that's your job.

That's just wild to me. It was bad. It was bad. So a few months later, my parent the agency calls to say

your name was a run at a police station oh shit out of country and I'm like they're like that is the only way

that they flagged it so I'm like oh crap they had someone in the police force woke up your name somewhere yeah

yeah so they're like when they do that what pops up because an undercover officer so typically you go by a number or a code name depending on the agency that you work for this cites to the summer refer to by a codename or a number right um so a lot of that stuff gets a

re-acted, but some reason it just came out, and I can guess why. I mean, those guys have long, long reach, and they've been around a long time, and they're friendly with a lot of people. So, um,

they have the local precinct doing rive by the house. the house but I had a young child at the time and I lived on the top of the floor of this building and a nanny was a is rarely so I had a gun safe in a closet I'm like Charlie come here I'm like if you see someone coming up and that the fire escape window shoot them so i opened by a safe and i pull like a 38 where you have involved like a fiber shot that she she was like well i'm like something with work work or stuff she's like someone may come to harm the uh baby i was like no they didn't

then him looking forward in me she's like go to work she takes the chief she puts it back on the shelf pulls out the air

loads in the mag charges it charges it charges it straps it picks her up and puts her her name hip and says

I'm making lamp tops putting out dinner she did a year in the IDF yeah Yeah, too. Yeah. She was the awesome.

I was like, he's the best thing. Yeah. Right. But that, that was that, and he took a charge for criminal possession

of a weapon because he had a valid self-defense claim for a gun that we never recall. Probably. But those guys are men and they don't even take a charge

and they'll do their, a time so I mean when if they take a charge especially it's not like a super long one like if they take a charge they know like when they go in that they're protected that that you know

people are going to watch out for them yeah I mean it it is very similar to when an OC guy like a made guy is in the side like those guys are respect and like

people know that you just just don't fuck with them it's not the the the squeeze isn't worth the juices

they're saying yeah so I know we're taking up a lot of your time but I one more story

I'd love to hear tonight is the Mexico's story so Mexico and I can't say too much about it

but parent agency again it really depends on who's who's like in charge and what kind of risk they are willing to accept and really

what kind of cop they were prior right so you meet guys that were the carpet walking mouth the breathers that are now a colonel that right wrote the seat bill

tickets to housewives and shit. And then you'll get the fell like guys in crazy pursuits, smash them up, shots fired and all kinds of stuff, right? So those are the guys that can kind of give

you a little room and stuff. So there really weren't any protocols for us but working like a long term term case through a steps and more

more than a year of meeting people within the organization level to meet the guy at the next level to meet the guy outside that cell that manages that the cell all the way to like

the main thing. So as the story goes and again, I won't be super specific. But I'm meeting this guy and I think I'm at the top, right? So I'm like, I've never met someone at this level before. So I'm like, this guy's going to show up like the fucking movies, right? Right.

With 20 blacked out humvees with frigging chock. with AKs and Rotties on chains and all that kind of stuff. So I'm ready. I'm like, let's do it. I'm not a tough guy, but I'm a tough guy, you know? Sure. I can handle myself. But I was more like interested to see, right?

Curiosity, like, yo, let's do it. So I'm meeting to negotiate a large shipment. Um, uh, source, uh, from the, from the, Columbia, through them, Mexico, dealing with it. Um, and, uh, I'm going to meet this guy. Kind of nervous, not the butterfly nervous. Like, oh, shit, I'm more like, anxious. Like, yeah, like, I don't, I want to see how this shit plays out. Right. Right. Right. This is pretty cool. Like, yeah. I think it's cool.

everybody was like oh man you're going to die you're going to get killed you're going to get fed to fucking alligator's yeah right right right if so it's a cool story you know like fuck it somebody can tell it for me yeah yeah um so i'm expecting to meet this caricature right so i'm at a uh an outdoor cafe and this guy walks up in a nice uh a Ralph Lauren buttoned down blue khaki pants on Ferragamo shoes

matching belt sits down and he's like how are you? And I'm like, good, who are you? And he's like, I'm the person that you came to met. That's interesting because I've been

sitting here and I didn't call anyone. So that means that you've been watching me for a long long time and he goes of course that's our job i'm like okay well i just hope that your guys didn't see my guys because i'm sure that your guys are a lot better than this than my guys are you know yeah thinking like oh shit um so we sit we have coffee we talk uh negotiates a large amount right um uh seriously like uh more than

than the 10K. Something that you'll need a bigger than a track to trip. Yeah, this is like, you know, fucking narco submarine level type of shit. Yeah, yeah, right? Yeah. That weight, right? Yeah.

Right? Like, you'll need a fork lift to move. So it's all good. I didn't come back to New York. A.S. sat the phone right it's all good uh arrange uh um to travel to the vicinity of uh Puerto Rico because he believes that I can get this through Puerto Rico to to the uh states it's a big transit point so lo lo and behold uh there there is a

another federal agency, one that you wouldn't think that actually has undercover floating apparatus that can move this weight with

crew and the captain that you would never think were good guys, right? Like, Captain Jack Sparrow person. Yeah. Dude, are you

real? They look like pirates. Straight up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like real life modern day pirates of the Caribbean. So the call is made. The call is received. And somewhere in the streets between the Dominican Republic and

Puerto Rico out of the fog. Like a fucking movie. Here come those launches and the name Goa Fest and they fring in twice the pole, hoist a rope, put a fring in a pulling on it and they just start moving bundles, bundle after bundle, after bundling in about 14 minutes, they're all gone. ropes off

pull the down and they're back in through the fog pretty amazing like I had never thought that happened the way it did

and then to be part of something like that to be part of the negotiations and then to see it and come into a

fruition sitting back now, I'm like, bro, that was fucking cool, right? Yeah. So it's always, it's always interesting on my part now. Like, you'll hear guys say, well, I was in undercover, and that really is God's work. But like everything else, there are levels, right? I was fortunate enough to be with very proactive units to been with great interagency task force that guys were, let's fucking do it.

We don't know how this may turn out, but let's do it. So always been very fortunate to have high-level targets, to have good CSs and CIs that could, make that happen. Out of curiosity, for like a DEA task force, how much of a percentage would you say it was that ops were driving the Intel or the Intel was driving us? Would you go out and connect like these low-level ops in order to work your way up or that you knew where you wanted to go and then you would try to figure out a way in?

It kind of really was Intel driven to initiate the case but then once once the case is initiated and it starts to unfold you really can do it operation driven to where you're targeting certain elements within the same organization that you can wall off to name develop the case case more like okay i'm on a wide of and now it's spun off to his money guy and his transport guy and his drivers within the name transport cell. Okay, so we've been off on this wire eight a month. Can we pick this guy off this low-level driver with like three keys? Because we know that he has three baby mamas.

he's paying three rents he has no name money on him his phone is this guy the weak link like let's say him clog him because he'll roll

get him in the box bring him on him team America the firm kick his ass out like you're fucking working for us now right so you don't fart

unless you call an ass the permission of farm yeah right so that name kind of kind of thing so it's it's it's really both it just depends

on the target and depends on the case and sometimes depends on the product right yeah right so so you'll see then cocaine wire that they'll get

30 am kilos in and now it's sold, the counts are done, and they're rich, and they're buying watches, and they're buying X-5s, and they're buying the fucking S-A-M, uh, uh, five, and they're in the clubs, and they're popping bottles, and then in two weeks, they're calling guys for money to put minutes on the drug phone because they're fucking broke. Right. But you'll get marijuana guys. guys, they're always fat name,

we're the name, cash, and there's always guns. Why? Everybody smokes weed, and there's always cash. Right. And those guys are, people don't like doing weed

cases. I'm like, you have to do them at that level because there's so much money involved. And now as you start the to see the legalization come here and and like as they start to issue licenses to sell it, you'll start seeing these guys getting popped.

Yeah. They're going to be getting robbed left and right. They're all they already are because everyone knows the weed man has cash. Yeah, yeah. And that literally is a cash crop. and you you could sell it anywhere.

Yeah. Yeah. I, we got through like a quarter of the stories that I wanted to ask you about. We're going to have to have you back again sometime. Sure, sure.

But let's get into some questions from the viewers. So, we'll get to Isaac's question first, so I don't forget that. Let me pull it up real quick here. He asked it on our Patreon. Join our Patreon if you want to get these episodes ad-free, by the way.

Yeah, tons of bonus content. And you get some questions answered. Where is this question? Has your opinion of the war on drugs changed over the years? And what is your opinion of the war on drugs? So I think it is necessary. We need to have that enforcement. action right um the southwest border as we all know is so porous and is the major source and now that in the advent of synthetic opioids it really has changed the game to where we started to see a lull in

in like cocaine production to where it was going from 49, $52,000 a kilo and drop into 30, $20,

and then at some point 18,000 because they weren't him getting hit the hard and then in the advent of powdered heroin organically based,

we saw that they started to push that more because the profit margin was so much more. And if you did have a good organic heroin product, you could put more cut and, like, stretch that profit to make 1,000 kilos, 1,200, 1,000, 1,000, 1,000, 1 kilo 1,000 grams to stretch it to 12m 100 grams adding an extra 200 grams at $49 a gram and still keep a good potency so we saw that heroin making a comeback and now when you start dealing with fentanyl and it's and it's a analogs that has completely changed the game it has completely changed the the game because you

could take 10 grams of the feth fentanyl and put 10 times the amount of cut so now your profit margins huge so in that law between the explosion of organic heroin and in cocaine it it kind of was like, well, we aren't making it then, right? Yeah. Kind of changed your attitude towards this war. But now it's not a war anymore. We're losing. We're getting slaughtered, right?

The American people are getting slaughtered by fentanyl. Yeah. Literally. without sealing without becoming political the fact is

is that with a porous border with a porous southwest border through means of concealed compartments

and vehicles and tractor trailers and embody uh uh uh mules

uh trafficking, we'll never get a handle, right? Because that's not, those raw products, those analogs are not being shipped here. They're being shipped to the in Mexico, right? Yeah. So without us having a good handle on that border, there's no way to really enforce it because once it crosses, we lost. Right. We already lost. Now, we're playing catch-up. Right. Catch-ups so much that

that we don't have enough fingers to them plug up the dam. We just don't, right? So without this war, it is an war.

It's not even a battle anymore. The, the opposition, the enemy is just eating out lunch. We fought the war on drugs and the drugs won, right? Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

I wonder what that means, like, long-term. I mean, marijuana is definitely on track to be legalized, maybe other drugs, you know, in future generations. What does that mean, right? The pros and the cons of it, because there are two sides to it, of course. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, right. I think that in my own personal opinion on the marijuana front,

yeah, sure, sure. I think there are legitimate medicinal uses, medical uses of for it. But the problem is that when you start getting these synthetic cannabinoids that are now being cut with vitamin E to stretch it and it's vape and that vitamin E cannot stay licked. because the body doesn't have the temp to keep it liquid and now it becomes a health problem and as many as legitimate producers of that there are there are as many illegitimate producers of that there are as many illegitimate producers and it's completely on There's a similar conversation about human trafficking, right? And that there are legitimate,

semi-legimate businesses like strip clubs that are used to launder money. Pornography industry used to launder the money of human trafficking. Should we legalize prostitution? Would that help? And I've had police officers tell me that if we did that, it would make it more difficult for the police officers to differentiate between the illicit and the legitimate businesses. And I mean, I don't know.

I'm usually in favor of legalization, but I can see from talking to police officers the other side of it, too, that it brings up other challenges. Yeah. It's, it, um, human trafficking isn't my foretane. There's two were things that I would never have done,

or not doing the job. child pornography and then human trafficking. Like that is where I know that I wouldn't be able to work work of those but on the human traffic in front

right? It's very difficult now to figure out who's being trafficked and who's not and even traffic as a 14 year old that was born and bred and then grew up in Queens that now is being

a prostituted by a guy that that's a savvy even when you bring those girls in they don't think that they're being trafficked right right so like that is like another hurdle yeah right so it's a huge problem so it's just it's it's I The victims don't see themselves as victims. Right. So the, and in others see it as a way of economically bettering themselves, and that is just something, they have to do it. And those are the women that you speak to.

And they themselves are kind of like, they know what's wrong. They may not want to. But in their mind, it's just the means of... Just business. And they're like, this is just my job. Yeah. So it's, like, difficult to pick those things apart. Decipher.

You just, it's difficult. I couldn't do it. Let's hit up some more questions. Yeah, so I think Isaac had one more. Is there any similarities to the global war on terror and the war on drugs? If not, would fighting the war on drugs be the same as the GWAT? I don't know. Or at least adapt some tactics, like what J-Soc does for hunting terror.

I don't know if our listeners can hear this, but the evangelical church upstairs is... They're gone full blast. They have like a speaker system that is like, I think, pointed at the floor, and it's literally vibrating it right above me and day. Yeah, they just decided to start Friday services, so. Thanks, guys. Okay, so Isaac's question. Yeah.

Yeah. I got it. They basically go hand in hand, right? So when you do have terror organizations in Southeast Asia and South America and America, specifically Columbia, Bolivia, that are funding their

terror efforts through the sale of narcotics. That is just a tale of a tale that is old as time, right? Right.

So, like, DEA did have faster teams and they would deploy to every active combat zone targeting this

right so if you look at these not as a separate issue if you look at them as they are going hand and glove and you do target them the same way Q. ASAC does

within whatever the federal legality maybe if they can work through it absolutely right um are there u.s. in beds with the foreign uh countries to target narco uh groups yeah we know there are right so if we can do more of that in my opinion and I think it is only a good start that it should be expanded because that is really the technical and technical and brawn

needed to combat it before it comes here because once it's here, we're done. Right. We're done. Right. Yeah. Danny, thank you very much. Does the fact...

Okay, so this, I'm not Does the fact that the ultra-wealthy Farma corporations and CEOs Such a Sackler family That intentionally create the opioid epidemic in the US Are able to avoid doing jail time

Does that frustrate you? What it does is My own Personal story With it I was in a really bad motor cycle crash while I'm on the job

I broke my foot, ankle, leg, collarbone, shoulder blade in the back. I was in bed and the later a physical rehab place. I was off the job for eight months, right? Wow. When I was finally released to a hospital

or than in my own home, I'm taking these oxycontents. I'm taking six 20s a day, but I really didn't know what effect they had, right? So I'm like, hey, Doc, should I still be taking these six? long pause and he's like they should have weaned you off of that before you left

so like come back in and we'll speak about it scared the shit shit out of me I went cold turkey

and I stopped I was sweating in that hospital bed with headaches stomach pains cramps for a few

days it was the worst disgusting most painful thing that had ever felt. And with your time on the road, meaning quote-unquote, junkies,

you know, people addicted to them opioids. It's easy to treat them like, you were dirtbag right now. To addiction, you're just weak, right? Shake it off, right? Mm-hmm. When I was in that position, the empathy and perspective that I had for someone that was addicted to these opioids either illegally produced or produced by an big pharma, it really changed my mind. seeing how story after story about high school football player,

athlete getting hurt, being coming addicted and not being able to receive prescriptions because it was now prescribed too much and then turning to street level opioids. heroin, do I have a personal negative feeling about that? I do. I do because I live it. And if it didn't happen to me, my answer would be not. Big name farm is fine. Right.

But it happened to me on a very small scale. and it just was not something that would ever want to experience again, right? Yeah. And Danny, thanks again. Do undercover agents get waivers for positive drug tests,

or do they get the same punishments as regular agents for testing positive for drugs? So, so if you do encounter what is called a forced ingestion, that you're forced

the bad guy gunnam to head and saying snort that. So it's interesting that we run a U.S. We run a U.S.S. U.S.S. A very advanced U.S. Seaschool. And one of the scenarios is the uncles brought in, and he's sitting at this huge table, and he sees all the drugs and all the scales and guns out.

And he's like, I did it, right? And now, they go, well, sniff. No, no. So they already have this working block of reasons why in them. There you can. And some are pretty creative and good, and I won't. Yeah. The Voljos is because they work.

But the scenario role players, no, I don't care what they say. They are forced. Right. To a point where you sniff it. I'm going to shoot you in the head. If you don't sniff, get up, walk in that room, and I'm going to shoot you in the head. We have about 50% of the students going in that room.

I'm not going in that room, bro. I don't care. Exactly. What do they think? Like, what do they think that. It's just a role play. Nothing. I'm not really going to.

Oh, no, no, no, no. We have guys pissing themselves. Really? Literally pissing themselves. And the day before, we're like, listen, the role players are all uncles. The drugs, they're all fake. The guns are all fake. It's all blanks.

Right. You're good. Don't worry. Now, that being said, now, walking in a mildew-smelly basement surrounded by six guys with the hoodies as fake as you may, think it isn't kind of becomes a real so in the forced ingestion aspect you do it and you're going to the hospital immediately there after and a memo is a submitted and that is the work around for it now um there are uh um there are drug tests that are random it just so seems that

the knuckle guys can get it more than everybody right right right which i get unless they're specifically looking for us somebody like yo this is the seventh drug test in like three months right You want him? Just get him. Right. Get him. Stop like raking hour balls. Right.

So with those U.R.S. to them fill out, any of quest engineer, the past like three days of food, any meds. And if you were exposed, there should be an, exposure memo or letter on file with your agency.

But the most important thing for us is to get him or her to the ER. Yeah. That being said, the name Advent, I'm a fan panel. I don't let my people go in as street. level users. I just don't. Yeah. You can't.

Yeah. You can't. Yeah. Because it's deadly. To us, it's deadly. Yeah. Right? My people have been shooting heroin for anem 10 years with any of them intolerance.

That's in through the roof. So we don't even deal with it. So unless it's packaged and, bundled for sale and like large large amounts or or sold by the gram

and in large large amounts for us it isn't worth it it's just not I wouldn't put my people in that but yeah just can't not today so if they if they're testing the drug folks

pop uh the the the the like the drug guys constantly for drugs. I mean, do they test the vice guys constantly for STI? They should. See, it only seems fair, right?

There's a, oh, sorry. No, please, go ahead. There's a real, quick story. So, so we are doing a prostitentution's thing out in Suffolk County

and the undercover that Wieson is a friend of ours, Davey. Let's say he's the nicest, sweetest human being around, happy-go-lucky guy. And deal is you pay up front. They didn't give you a tarot card. And then when you see the girl, you give her the tarot card.

And then she turns the tarot card. Barrett cards in at the end of the night and then gets paid. So the deal is that, all right, Davey, when you get in there and you give her the card and she says get the naked saying to Kelle, sure, sure looks good. We know positive and we'll be coming through a VAM door with the Rams and stuff.

because a bunch of the name Dorman are armed. So we're waiting. He's in. All right, guys. He paid. Yep. It was all good. Got the card.

He's in the room. So I'm like, yep, he's good. I hear. Sure looks good. And they're like, let's go. And I'm like, hang on. Hang on. He's like, yeah.

She's like, come, poppy, sit. And take off your shirt. And he's like, yeah. show looks good they're like come on let's go I'm like no no no I waited until he was down to his underwear all right go

he's like you motherfucker I was like yeah there you go he said his show looks good about 15 times times he's probably like I'm gonna fuck out of you guys hang on

that's funny and then Oms thank you so much for the donation and Izzy thank you We really appreciate it, guys. So, yeah, man, we got through like a quarter of some of your undercover stories I wanted to hit up. But, I mean, I would love to have you back on the show again, hopefully with less of a soundtrack up above. But, like, I really appreciate you coming in on Friday to talk to us.

Thank you, guys. And I really appreciate the invite. And I appreciate everything that you guys do to give a little more. insight as to what you've done for this country and the patriots and heroes that you give a voice to and I think it's huge and I'm sure the community and all of us thank you for a job that's so well done so thank you gentlemen it's really our pleasure I mean it's really it's an honor for us to be to share stories, you know. And hopefully lend some insight to people out there and, you know, a little bit less mystery

to how their tax dollars are being spent. A little less mystery, a little more God. So on Thursday, we're going to have an extra episode for you guys. We're going to have Michael Gordon here in studio. I'm going to be talking to him about his book. He's been a longtime national security reporter writing about the, war in Iraq. He just wrote a book that was great about our

fight against ISIS, primarily in Iraq. So we'll have him on Thursday, and then on Friday we're going to have a former FBI HRT agent on the show. So, looking forward to talking to them. Thank you, everyone who joined us tonight, and yeah, I'll see you

on Thursday. Thanks, everybody.