The Team House - Gambino Crime Family, Cartels & Counterfeiters 24 Years Undercover with the FBI | Jack Garcia | Ep. 369

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

In this episode, Jack Garcia shares his incredible journey from Cuba to becoming a prominent FBI agent, specializing in undercover operations. He discusses his early life, the challenges he faced as a Cuban immigrant, and his determination to serve in law enforcement. Garcia delves into the intricacies of undercover work, the psychological aspects of deception, and the dangers involved. He also highlights significant cases, including police corruption and counterfeiting, providing insights into the criminal underworld and the complexities of law enforcement. In this conversation, Jack Falcone shares his experiences as an undercover agent, detailing his involvement in high-profile cases related to counterfeiting, drug trafficking, and organized crime. He discusses the complexities of undercover operations, the challenges faced in bringing criminals to justice, and the emotional toll of living a double life. The conversation also touches on the transition from undercover work to civilian life, reflecting on the camaraderie among law enforcement and the sacrifices made during his career.Jack's book:https://www.amazon.com/Making-Jack-Falcone-Undercover-Family/dp/1416551638Jack's LinkedINhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/joaqu%C3%ADn-jack-garc%C3%ADa-422b348Subscribe to our new newsletter!!!!https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/joinToday's Sponsors:Perfect Jean ⬇️https://theperfectjean.nyc/house15for 15% offGhostBed⬇️https://www.ghostbed.com/houseFOR 10% off! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------For ad free video and audio and access to live streams and Eyes On Geopolitics...JOIN OUR PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheTeamHouseTo help support the show and for all bonus content including:-live shows and asking guest questions -ad free audio and video-early access to shows-Access to ALL bonus segments with our guestsSubscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouseSupport the show here:⬇️https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse___________________________________________________Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured__________________________________Jack Murphy's new book "We Defy: The Lost Chapters of Special Forces History" ⬇️https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N/——————————————————————Or make a one time donation at: ⬇️https://ko-fi.com/theteamhouseSocial Media: ⬇️The Team House Instagram:https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_linkThe Team House Twitter:https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePodJack’s Instagram:https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_linkJack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21Dave’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/dave_parke?s=21Team House Discord: ⬇️https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6SubReddit: ⬇️https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTeamHouse/Jack Murphy's memoir "Murphy's Law" can be found here:⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/Murphys-Law-Journey-Investigative-Journalist/dp/1501191241The Team Room Reading Room (Amazon Affiliate links):⬇️ https://jackmurphywrites.com/the-team-room-reading-room/Intro music by https://www.youtube.com/user/RemixSample"Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio"00:00 Jack Garcia's Journey: From Cuba to the FBI09:04 Undercover Operations: The Art of Deception18:01 Navigating the Criminal Underworld: Early Experiences29:05 Police Corruption: Uncovering the Bad Apples39:58 Counterfeiting and the Super Notes Case51:02 The Rise of Counterfeiting and Crime Networks53:56 Undercover Operations and Major Drug Cases55:12 The Make-Believe Wedding Operation01:00:50 The Royal Charm Case and Its Impact01:04:45 Transitioning to Organized Crime Investigations01:16:15 Closing Major Cases and Legal Challenges01:23:23 Life After Undercover Work and Reflections01:31:57 The Path to Becoming a Made GuyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.

Special operations. Covert Ops. Espionage. The Team House. With your hosts, Jack Murphy and David Park. Hey, everyone. Welcome to episode 369 of the Team House. I'm Jack Murphy.

Here with our guest tonight, Jack Garcia. He served for 26 years in the FBI. 24 of those years doing major undercover operations, counter-narcotics, organized crime, police and political corruption, got involved in the Super Notes case, and towards the tail end of his career going after Italian organized crime. He is the author of the book Making Jack Falcone, which is out on Amazon right now. You guys can go and find it if you want to take a look. We're really happy to have you on the show today. Jack, thank you for joining us tonight.

Jack, thank you very much for having me. It's an honor, and I want to first say thank you for your service, you and your partner, and to all the viewers out there as well. Thank you. So, Jack, I want to jump in and ask a little bit about sort of your origin story. As I understand it, you were born in Cuba. Correct. Yeah, I was born in Cuba in 1952. My father was a high government official, and life was good for me.

And then, of course, in 1959, Castro took power. And at first, everybody supported Castro because Castro wanted to make Cuba for the Cubans. He wanted to get rid of the mafia that controlled Cuba. And he wanted to get rid of the corruption that was in Cuba with Batista, who was at that time the president. So after a while, then we started seeing that he started sleeping with the Russians. changing things and doing mass execution. So my father fled because he was working for the government and he decided to leave just in case something would happen to him.

And about a year after that is when he was able to raise enough money to get us. But in between, the Cuban government went to my parents' house. She had to relocate and said, we want to welcome your husband back to Cuba to come work for Fidel in our regime. we realized that he was not corrupt and we could use a man of his caliber in it. Of course, my father said, what are you nuts? I'm not going back to Cuba.

So he got his out of there, came to live in Washington Heights, New York, didn't speak a word of English, came in the plane and started learning, went to a P.S school up there in Washington Heights. And then after a while, I started learning a little English. And finally, my parents who worked, worked hard just to get us an education. I mean, we went without. I mean, my story's no different than sure a lot of you guys out there that, you know, money was tough. And living in a walk-up fifth floor in Washington Heights was very tough and not knowing what you're going to eat next. And

that was a very difficult time. But finally, after learning a little English, went up to the Bronx and went to a Catholic school where I finally, they saw myself. because I'm 6'4 and they put me on a football team. Although first minute year I sat the bench and that was this big Mama Luke in the bench wearing a white helmet because there were no helmets that could fit my head. So they had to get a special one wait until it got painted. And I would sit there and I go, what the hell is this? I don't know how to play this game.

Baseball. That's what Cubans do. You know? And sure enough, second year was the same way and then started. learning and went on to play high school and got a lot of uh scholarships of d1 schools that i wound up going ultimately to the university of richmond yeah i was a richmond spider yeah and uh from there i came out and uh actually when we were in richmond i saw the movie serpico i don't know if oh yeah if you speak jack yeah great movie right yeah yeah oh i'll be i'll be i'll be i'll be a

Pacino. Yeah, Al Pacino. And I said, man, I want to be that guy. I want to be this guy who's cool, who's got a good looking chick in the back of a bike. He's got a sheep dog. He lives in the village. I mean, he's an NYPD officer for crying out. This is the life. So, of course, I graduate and I go right to the FBI because I figure, let me try the best law enforcement agency in the world. And I don't hear from them. So then I start a applying with the NYPD and they had a freeze. Nobody's hiring. My dreams are like, what am I going to do? You know, I, you know, I wasn't good for the pros. So there goes that out the window. And then finally was like, I'm watching Univision. And I see in Spanish, I see this American guy speaking Spanish and butchering the language. And he's saying, we're looking for FBI agents who could speak Spanish. So I said, got on the

phone the next morning and said, listen, I saw this ad on Univision, I want to be an FBI, and I applied for an age. I haven't heard from you guys. Let me look into it. They look into and they said, we haven't heard from us because you're not a citizen. And I've always saw myself as a citizen growing up in New York and speaking English. And I didn't even realize, you know, as a kid, you're too busy, you know, chasing girls and doing whatever. you know. So what happened was I studied for it. And actually I didn't do well. And I bet you there's a lot of people out there who would not pass that test. It was pretty hard. And the guy said to him, look, you speak good English, you go into a good school. This is back in 1976. And finally in 76,

the guy says you became a naturalized American citizen, which was such a proud moment going there. to the Newark office, to the courthouse. And it was just a beautiful experience to now feel like I belong, you know, and now an American, you know. And so what happened is they re-uped my case. And sure enough, in 1980, I got into the FBI. But prior to that, I got into the law enforcement at the Union County Prosecutor's Office where I worked welfare fraud cases. And, When I got to the FBI after my first two or three years, I applied for the Freedom of Information and Privacy Act and saw so many CIA reports saying don't hire him.

And I was reading, I go, what does that even mean? He says, they were thought that I was going to be an infiltrator into the FBI because I was born in Cuba. And there were no Cubans in the FBI at the time. it was one more. And then I told him, I said, are you kidding me? I hate Castro more than you hate Castro. Yeah.

You hate Castro because you work in it. I lived it. I lost my family. My grandparents died there. I didn't even say goodbye to them. I lost everything. My parents lost everything. And sure enough, I got hired, which was such an exciting day of my life to actually make it into the FBI.

There's a little bit of Jay Edgar Huger. Jay Edgar Hoover's stigma there that, you know, you're a commie coming to infiltrate the FBI. Yes, exactly. And that's what you felt. You felt like out of place. You felt like you were being monitored because, you know, I don't know. It was just, it was very weird. And then, see, Hoover back then addressed the Spanish-speaking agent problem by hiring Mormons. Because the Mormons would do their missionary work and they would speak Spanish beautifully and of course to Hoover

they didn't drink coffee they didn't drink at all so he was very very big on that and we had four Mormons in my class none all of them spoke Spanish probably better than me and they were a more American born

so that was the thing and then naturally after year after year they started to realize that hey you know We have a hell of a pool of Cubans. I mean, we got Cubans that grow on trees here in Miami, you know? Yeah, yeah. You can hire, and sure enough, then now you get a lot of Spanish-speaking agents to go after the crimes that,

especially in the 80s, which was all drugs, you know. It's, we've talked to a good, fair number, you know, disproportionate number, you would think, from a relatively small community. Cuban Americans who go to serve in the CIA, who go to serve in the Army, doing intelligence work. It's pretty incredible. And yeah, they all seem to come out of, what is it, Hyaliyah in Miami?

Yes, Hyaliyah. Yeah. That is like you go in Cuba. I'm telling you, I live in Miami now. And Miami to me is, it's like a foreign country. Like, my wife is Irish German. So she goes to the store and they talk to her.

He goes, Mommy, what do you want? You know, like everything is Spanish. You hear all the time. and which is great. I mean, actually it was funny because my thought process was always in Spanish when I came from Cuba, and then it became English, of course, and then I was able to do both, but now it seems to be recurred to go back to speaking Spanish all the time, which is what I do. It's like you find it very difficult to find non-Spanish speakers here in Miami.

And so what you're... Was it was, was it, was it, 1983 or 84 that you were an actual FBI special agent? It was 1980, Jack. Oh, 1980, okay. Tell us a little bit about that, about what the FBI was like in 1980

and sort of how you got your feet wet as an agent. Well, you know, it was weird because you look around when you're going down in class and you feel like there are spies watching you, you know, agents, how you behave, who, what do you say, what don't you say? Not that you got paranoid, but he was kind of like, you know, like you got a group of about maybe 25 agents, men, women from all over the country,

and you're supposed to be a team out of it. But before you get that so-called team name, you want to make sure, you know, which guys you want to avoid, which people you want to be around. So it was like he constantly felt like he were being watched. And getting down there for me was a little tough. I actually had a tough time getting there. And what happened was because of my size that I played football, I'm bigger now.

But back then I went through the whole process. I got sworn in. And then when I get to Quantico, I got this guy who had this major, major problem with me. So he's immediately after my fourth day, have me weigh myself. And they, as you know in the military, like the same thing with the FBI, there is a chart to weigh. Now, if you look at a 6-4, I'm supposed to weigh like 210. I don't think I, I think I waited at 210 when I was 15.

Yeah, yeah. So what happened gave me an ultimatum and they said, how come I hear my voice now? again. It's like an echo in my ear. Oh, sorry. That's okay. How about now? Better. Okay. So what happened was it was one of those things that I got, I was at the prosecutor's office. They gave me a good going away party. After 10 days, I'm giving an ultimatum. You either resign, lose the weight, and then you could be reinstated, or if you're told you will be fired, and you will not be reinstated. So what choice do you have?

So I, of course, I'm a stress eater. I'm driving from Quantico to New York, stopping at every 7-Eleven, just eating like I was going to the chair, you know, because I'm stressed out. So I get there and I'm going, oh, man, I knew it. I knew I was going to get fired.

They didn't want me there. It was all the show because you don't know what's going on. You're like all of a sudden somebody, you get hired and you're fired. Yeah, how's that work? So I got a letter from my counselor and Jim Pledger and he said to me, listen, they did you wrong. We want you to lose the weight and come back and it was signed by everyone in the class. So, you know, it felt like the rocky theme played in my background and I started working.

And within a month and a half, I didn't eat. I just worked out. It was tough for me and I went back. And finally I got my badge. And down in Quantico, you train. There are three important facets. One is the physical, which I, even though I've gone there out of shape, it's just like football. You go out of shape, you get shape for the season.

That was not a big deal. Then you have firearms. The problem with firearms is you got to do it the FBI way, not law enforcement. enforcement way. You have to do that. The other one was the academics. And that was tough for me. So I got together with this guy from Chicago. He was a lawyer. And all I did was study. When I was in college, I played ball, I partied. I didn't pay attention to academics, you know. And now I had to, if I really wanted to do this. And I was able to with the help of God. And, And the help with my friend was able to get me enough to pass.

And here I am. I became an FBI agent, which is such a proud moment. And I couldn't believe that I wasn't. And they wait to give you your credentials to the last minute. And when you get them, you're like, I remember driving home and having my credentials right in front looking at it, like so proud that I had that. And of course, they give you the gun. And back then, there were 38s that we carried revolvers.

So it was such a problem. I got into the Bureau and right away the first few years, you're throwing around, you've got to do this and that. But because I spoke Spanish, they put me on the bank robbery fugitive terrorist squad that was working the Anticastal Group Omega 7 and Alpha 66. So I was working out there with this 8th,000, agent and developing sources. And then I got a phone call and said, we need you to go undercover.

We got an apartment for you in the 40s in Manhattan. And you're going to be in there for quite a few years on these narco guys. And that was my first taste of undercover. And the reason being, because the Bureau, like I said to you earlier, is the demographics of the Bureau did not meet what life is all about. I mean, agents look like agents. So you didn't get, you got guys who thought they went undercover by not wearing, by wearing two-piece suit as opposed to a three-piece suit, you know? So, you know, you come in and you're from New York and you look different, you act different. And I found my little niche since then.

I didn't stop working undercover. And that to me was probably the greatest time being. able to take on these leads as an undercover because undercover work is you're an actor and a salesman. You're acting to have the people believe whom you are portrayed to be and you're selling yourself. You're selling that you are this bullshit artist guy who has access to money, who has access to dope, who has access to whatever. And it's a tough thing to work on the cover. I mean, it's the only profession to think, if you think about it, you befriend people and then you betray them. Right.

Because that's what you're doing with these criminals. You are betraying. You're befriending them. They think you're one of them. And the reason for that, because undercover work is an investigative technique. So just like a wiretap where you listen, well, you have sometimes opportunity to bring in an agent or a police officer. and that person is able to listen to what's going on firsthand where you don't have access to that information and in the other way.

So to me, it's a great undercover investigative technique, but one that could also be very dangerous. And I was blessed after over 100 undercover operations that I'm still here to tell my story. What was it like in those early days? You know, you're living. It sounds like Midtown Manhattan. they had you focused on some Cuban groups initially. I mean, what was that like kind of like going into that world?

I imagine that the preparation to go undercover for an agent back then was not as robust as it probably is today. Yeah, you're right. It was very limited because the Bureau, even though we grew to have undercover agents, they prefer an informant wearing a wire because, again, the pool of agents that were able to act like bad guys was very limited. So, but as things change in court, they realize that if you bring in an informant and that informant then testifies, they have to bring in all their luggage. And as you know, they might have robbed banks, kill people, whatever.

And that turns off to jurors. So the object was to get this informant to introduce an agent. because now it's hard to come after the agent. You know, we don't have skeletons. I mean, yeah, we have, well, everybody has got. But it's one of them that it helps you in the veracity that you need while you're in court. So back early on, they were still struggling, not understanding the, I actually went to the second undercover school in the bureau. The first one where the guys from AppScan from Chicago,

that posed on these corrupt judges. And then there was, remember, where you had agents working at, uh, in New Jersey, sheiks. And they were, uh, uh, it's a famous case where they posed as Arab sheiks to these politician and pay them off. Oh, I do remember that. Yes, I do. Like, yeah, like literally like like, like Saudis, you know, all dressed up in the whole.

Yeah. They would come in. And then you had, of course, Joe Pistone also. was on that. And then you had, there was so many other major cases that were being worked

at that time. So they were new. But when the bad guys found out that you are, that this could happen, it became tougher for us than it was for the first group. Because think about it.

The first, that's never been done. So you're a bad guy. You say, well, you know, the guy, it's either an informant or he doesn't know, but to say that he's an agent, it's stuff. And that was one of my big fears because even though I've lost weight, if you look at my old pictures, I was, I gained a lot of weight when I was on the cover because I love to eat and the bad guys love to feed me.

They're feeding you that pasta Fazuli. Yes, and they love to feed me. They was like, I ate every night like I was going to the chair. You know, it was just food after food. And the more I ate, the more they love me. Jackie boy, look at you, Maron, what a gavon, you know, and they like, eat this, try this. So, you know, it was one of those things that, you know, you changed your lifestyle when you're an undercover totally. I mean, sometimes you get, I had long hair, I had the earring.

I never got the tats. And the reason I didn't get the tats is because I eat needles. Otherwise, I would have gotten the tats. But the everything, I did have a painted once. was pretty wild on an operation. But it was one of those things that you, I was just doing, I was rolling from case to case. Sometimes I was doing two or three cases simultaneously, which was really weird. I had these phones and one would ring. I'm Manolo, the Colombian. Another one, I'm, you know, Joseito, the Cuban. And then I'm this guy playing a wise guy. It was, it was very confusing at times. and but I was feeding off it. It's such a high.

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gene we're still doing things for them and you know but it is such a You feel so good about working. For me, I was happy. I found my niche. Some agents are good working, which I don't understand, but they work bomb explosives. You know, these guys love it. Guys who are also working wiretaps who love doing surveillance. There's divers, you know, this was mine.

And I really, really enjoyed it. And, you know, it was, I got to work so many different violations, met so many different people. Some guys were great. Some guys were jerkoffs. But that's in everything we do in life. Every business, I'm sure, in the military, you had your share both. And in those early years, I wanted to ask, like, did you have any close calls or times where, you know, maybe like you made a mistake or something, some kind of hiccup because you were new to it that, like, kind of resulted in a hair-raising experience? Yeah, you know, I didn't.

I made technical mistakes. Like, for instance, I would try to have a conversation, and then I would put money in the jukebox. And I'm wearing a recorder. I mean, how dumb is that? All you hear is, you know, let's get the party started. You know, I'm thinking talking to the guy, and he's admitting that he's at the grass in all,

and I don't even get it, you know? So that was mistakes that you made. Also, you know, figuring out, like at that time, we used to wear recorders. There were Panasonic RN36, which was these little Panasonic. And after it ended, side A, you had to switch it to side B. Well, you were out there. You didn't, you forgot to switch it. So you miss out in a lot of conversation.

Then they created the Olympus, which turns by itself automatically. that was good, but it wasn't as good as we're in anagra. I don't know if you're familiar, Jack, but Enagra. Anagra, it's like a real-to-real stereo recording. They're the best ever. But the problem is it's like a box.

And you put this box is about, I would say like this. And you put this on and you have these wires that you tape to your chest. I used to carry it at the bottom by my belly button. Right? And that, it would get hot in the back, because it's just electric. But the sound quality was just fascinating.

Then they went from a regular nagra. They went to a mini nagra, which was a little smaller. But because it was hard to conceal, agents chose, or at least I did, the Panasonic RN36, which was this little, like a little cigarette cover case. It was very simple. Now we've moved into the era of digital. So, you know, things, of course, has changed. But back then, you had to wear these things.

And I'm the type of guy who used to love wearing a recorder because you capture the conversation. It's no longer my word against his. It's his word. He's telling me what he did. He's telling me what he's going to do. And that's indefensible. There is your case. So I've always recorded all of my calls.

And I've always felt that I'm not going to have a guy, you know, what do you call it, pat me down or anything like that. Because it's just saying like when you start to wonder like whether you can trust someone or not. So that's when you already know that you don't trust. The guy don't trust you. So you, by having the guy pat you down and finding nothing, he did that for a reason. he did it because he didn't trust you. There's something you said or did, maybe the way you smell. And that's a bad sign if they do that.

To me, I was luck. I never had anybody pat me down. First of all, I wouldn't let him. I would never let somebody put his hands on me like that. Number two is, if that ever happened, I would, of course, go back to the office and say, I think we need to bring somebody in. Because no matter what I do, this guy is not going to trust me. Right.

And recordings are very, very important to what I think making a case. Because it's like in the old day, Jacks, when you talked about Hoover, an agent got up there, races right hand. He goes, yeah, I'm a special agent with the FBI. It was gospel. Now you got these high-priced mob lawyers. You got these drug lawyers. And they come after you, these defense lawyers.

They impeach your character. they do everything to draw the, you'd make you look like an idiot, you know. And, you know, so you got to be prepared. So when I said, you know what, you're not going to make me look like an idiot. Because here's the words from your client saying that he was going to bring those kilos of dope to me, you know. And this was what I paid him. Everything's there. So the object is always, Jack, to have them leave.

because you don't really want to go to court. There's a lot of work going to court, and there's a lot of money involved and go to court. So how do you make somebody plea? I could sit there and say, Jack, I got you for A, B, and C. And you go, yeah, all right, we'll take your best shot. But I say, yeah, I got your A, B, and C.

But D, I got you in voice and you're admitting to this. Any good defense attorney is going to say, I think you need to take a plea. And that's what I've always done. My guys always plead out because I have so much evidence. on them that I choose. Now, branches, some guys are suicidal. They'll go to court, but they'll still get

banged, you know, because some of them have no choice to go to court and if that's their case, and of course they found themselves guilty, they're going to jail, you know, for a long time. Some of the

cases that you got involved in as time went on, Russian organized crime came up on the radar at a certain point? Yeah, we were doing Russians up in Brighton Beach, New York, which is a very big Russian population. And we were doing money laundering. We were playing roles. I was playing a role of a Colombian with them. And I was playing and my good partner, this guy, Dave Sebastian, another, he's a great undercover as well. We were playing with these guys. We would give them money. And then Dave would

put the money into different bank accounts that we gave them. And, we represented that the money was drug money. And that's where your violation is, that the money came from an illicit criminal act. So we then in turn, he started saying, well, I got all these businesses. I'll give you checks. So he would make a check out from this salon and this car part and which is great for us because we get to seize it. You know, we identified and seized it and all of that. We did that with them for a couple of years, but what was really interesting is at the beginning,

it was very tough because a lot of these criminals are smart. They didn't want to say, like you would approach them and say, yeah, you know what? I said, listen, this stuff is coming in from a ship. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to care. You give me whatever amount you want and tell me where you're going with this. I will send it out. In other words, if you, they know that they're laundering like money that's illegal in any kind of way,

obtained illegal to narcotics or whatever. They know that they're going to lose that money, that they are committing that act. So you've got to be creative as agents. So what we did was we were at Victor's Cafe in Manhattan. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's a Cuban restaurant. And I'm sitting there with my partner, Dave Sebastianiani. And sure enough, out of nowhere,

these guys come in, the Russian guys. And we told them that we got some big deal coming down. And the guy said, oh, yeah, I said to me, it's probably going to be about maybe 500,000, 500K. Okay, no problem. And, you know, it's like we knew we couldn't say it because he's warned us about that. So what we staged is my former undercover partner

of buying dope on the street. Rodrigues, who was Colombian, he walks in with another agent in the SWAT team who is huge, right? Spanish guy. And they come in and they're walking in the restaurant and being treated like they're this and that. And they sit in this corner. And all of a sudden, I said to the guy, to the guys I was with, Dave, is that fucking, is that Diego? And the guy goes, yeah, that is Diego? And the guy goes, you know that guy? He goes, yeah, that's the guy. who is bringing the stuff that you're going to need to change. So he said, oh, yeah, well, really, that's it.

So Diego sees me, he comes over, buys a bottle of Don Perignon. We're sitting down with the bad guys talking to him. Diego, by the end of the night, we're not only told them we're going to move the money from these kilo shipment of 500 keys that he brought in, but also he's going to start doing more of it as time went on. And that was the end of that. So now we have the conversation that they know that they were doing illegal, the past money they did, and any futures money. At the end, we wound up season, I think, $2 million from them.

And we locked them up. But you see how you got to think creatively. Right. Because the bad guys know what we do. So they don't want to, they don't want to go to jail, of course. So our job is to get them to jail. Their job is to avoid going to jail. And they were wandering mostly drug money?

Yes. No, they were laundering for others drug money. They, their job was money laundering. So you would bring drug money to them and they will give you checks or they would send it. We would give them bank accounts in the Cayman Islands and they would just through their banks, send the money out to you. And they would charge us like 5% for that. So they would make the money on the deal, you know.

And another one that you mentioned to me earlier, you got involved in some murder-for-hire cases. Yeah, those were interesting. You know, it's always funny. Every time you see them on TV, murder fire, it's always a cop. It's always a guy who's going to kill somebody who's a cop. And this was a situation of a woman wanted to kill a husband. And then I did one where the husband wanted to kill the white. And those are easy.

All you have to do is show the content. They have to show an overt act. They got to pay you. They can't just say, yeah, I want to kill the guy. Well, okay, well, give me five grand up front for my expenses. Oh, no, I don't have it. Why am I going to kill anybody? I got to ask, Jack, like, how do they even find you the undercover assassin?

Like, do they, is there like a classified dad, you know, murder for hire that they, like, how does that work? You know how it works, Jack? a lot of people don't realize the most important things we have is your informant base. Informants are the people that find these things for us. We don't. I mean, you're as good as what informants you have. I had a lot of informants that I call them pocket sources, people that I could call on. And they're out there in the real criminal world 24-7. And they may know of a guy in prison, or let me say some guy out there is looking to whack somebody. They know that if they come work for Uncle Sam, they're going to make money.

So they reach out to whoever the handler is. And that's how it becomes the introduction. All my cases, you want to be able to, excuse me, you want to be able to be introduced. And the reason for that, it speeds up the clock. I've done cases where we didn't know anybody. and I would hang out in this restaurant all the week, two or three times a week. And you know what that happened?

I got fatter eating in the restaurant. It just takes too long. So you want to be able to expedite by having a source to say, hey, I know this guy, Jack, he's looking to sell some dough. Why don't Jack? He's looking for money. So those are the guys that we use and they know they're going to get paid or they may be working out something against some time.

that they got going, or maybe they, once we arrest them, they decide to cooperate. So they're looking for downward departure in their sentence. So you're as good as the information you have on the street. So in this case, that's how all of the cases that we talked about it was always an informant who made the intro, because like you said, what do you do? You can't advertise in the classifieds hitman wanted to get hired, you know? Facebook Marketplace. Yes, I'm my Craigs.

Yeah. And most of those were spouses trying to knock each other off? Yeah, it's always a spouse for money that it's looking for that or a girlfriend. There's a great YouTube one. I don't know if you've seen it, it wasn't me, but it was one of the classic ones that I would love to do that. The girl wanted to whack a husband. She hired his police officer undercover to whack him. and they staged it by as far as bringing pictures of the guy smothered in ketchup

and then told her the woman that he's been whacked. And then she's like, they played all along with her. And they brought her into the police station. And her husband is there waiting for her. And she's like, oh, my gosh, she got played so well. Just like, but she had all this tape that they played about her wanting to kill a person. So, you know, a lot of murders for hires are usually,

but you need that over that act. They got to pay you. Yeah. And usually I found a lot of times, I was supposed to do one where the guy wanted to whack a judge. I met the guy. He says, yeah, I want to get this guy. He sentenced me.

I says, okay, so on the course you're 20 grand, 10 up front for expenses. And my people, he goes, well, I ain't got it. So I said, well, what do you think this is? Christmas? I said, well, you got to pay. And it was like it's not real if not. And then of course, you know, the case we don't do it, but we do sit the guy down. We read him the riot act and, and all of that. But it's without paying it, you can't accept it because then he's not going to believe it. Right. Right. There's very few

federal murder cases or attempted murder cases, right? I mean, in the case of the judge, that makes sense that that would get bumped up to FBI level. but even like spouses going after each other, that falls in the FBI's lap? Yeah, if you go with wire fraud, because you're using the phones and you're doing that. But mostly, it is mostly a local thing, but if you do get it and they've used the telephones and they use the internet or whatever, you're able to work it. Those are very quick, by the way. You know, you do those cases.

You move on within a way. week because that's the thing. You want to make sure that this guy doesn't shop around and kill somebody. You know, just like in the mob, if I'm listening to the tape recording a Title III and I hear that Joey bag of donuts is going to get whacked. By law, I have to go see Joey bag of donuts and say, Joey, you, you're in a jam. They're going to whack you. And usually that's what happened to the guy that I was with, the captain. He said to the guys to the agents, he said, said, yeah, we heard you may have a problem. So he said, oh, yeah, that's nice.

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is in Boston and Florida. Yeah. Excuse me, guys. I've got this COVID that I'm finally kicking. Anyway, yeah, the Boston case was a very good case. That was, it was an amazing case of a guy who was actually had 17 years on the job, a guy who was voted as police officer of the year. he was as dirty as could be.

We got turned on through an informant with him. He ran not only his own gambling club at night. He also was willing to provide security for loads of what he thought was cocaine from me from the cartel. And then he provided heroin transport for us, and which time he had a garage. We drove the truck. to the garage, switched to another truck. They helped carry the boxes out, put them in the truck, and, you know, we wound up

locking them up in Miami, Florida. We set up the meeting to pay them for their work. We did, like, multiple deals with them. And sure enough, these guys come down, and we were at the Al Capone suite at the Billmore, pay them off. The other undercover Jerry Bermudas may rest in peace. is a great undercover. He threw the money at them so they could catch it.

And they were like all happy. I think we paid them something like 12 grand apiece. They take their money. We said, look, we'll see you tonight. We're going to this big party. They were all excited. We put them in a limousine driven by an FBI agent. They didn't want to do the takedown in the hotel.

They thought maybe these guys will go crazy or they may have smuggled some guns or maybe got some guns down here. and as the limousine left, they found this dark desolate road, and the driver puts it in park quickly and runs out of the car, and then the SWAT operators just lumped, and then they had the money hidden like in the seats. They knew they were coming. I would have to have a wire in there and listen to the things they were saying. And they wound up getting like 19 years. It's actually featured in a show called FBI True on Paramount, and it's called Polito, P-U-L-L-I-D-O, which was the name of the officer. Okay.

And, yeah, you could see that on there, Polito and a pretty interesting character, too. I thought he had no business being a cop. I mean, the things he talked about that he would do for me, he thought I was this big drug lord. Actually, it was even funny because after he got arrested and all and he started maybe cooperating a little, he says, guys, I got to ask you got to protect me and my family. And the agents go, well, what do you mean protecting your family? What's the matter? He says, you don't know this guy, Mani. I was playing role, man.

Man, he's going to kill us. So you got to protect me from this guy, you know? So he bought my whole act, you know, which, which are, and that kind of, you're like amazed when that happens because you fool these guys. And then, or you get the other guys too, Jack, that are funny. Sometimes you lock up guys, they go, oh, yeah, I knew he was an agent. Oh, really? If you know, it was an agent, why are you dealing bad with me? Why are you selling me dope or something?

So this is their mentality, you know. So, yeah, the police corruption cases, I did Broward, sheriff. The sheriff department, that was another one. These guys were transporting it during the time when there were threats about the airplanes landing in these small airports. So we had the director of the FBI's plane land up in West Palm. These guys transported the dope, took the boxes from the car, put them in Louis Free's plane, and then came out. And then the plane just took off in circle. and we paid these guys. These guys were hardcore Broward Sheriff guys prisoned on it.

And really interesting guy. The case agent was this guy enriched out and it was just a great case that we worked on that. But I love those cases because I'm glad that we're able to take those 30 cops off the streets,

you know? I know this is kind of maybe an unfair question I'm asking you to estimate or guesstimate, you know. As far as, you know, the illegal drug smuggling and distribution in the United States, how often do you think dirty cops are involved in it? You know, that's a tough question. Yeah.

I know money corrupts. And a lot of, I worked also, I did a police corruption case in Puerto Rico, very corrupt. We've taken down a lot of cops in Puerto Rico. in Puerto Rico. And that's because these guys are making like 16,000 a year. So money does corrupt and there's that all saying, you know, plomo or plata? Yeah. Which is lead or silver. And some of these guys look at it. Like for instance, when I did the Hollywood Police Department and this was their, their mentality was that I was dealing with this two cops. They were bringing us myself and De Sebastian,

all of this business for us. And we were paying them off to transport stuff. I said, listen, the object was, of course, try to flush out as many cops as you possibly can that are dirty,

that are moving in their circles. And I said, look, I need more badges. I'm setting up where we're going to take this truck from here, South Carolina,

wherever it was. And I need guys to do, you know, leapfrog and make sure that there's, stuff gets there, you know, safely. So no, yeah, no problem, but we got this yet. I said, no, I need more. I need more badges. He goes, the guy kind of said like kind of angry. He says, listen, Jack, because he tells my old sort of nickname, I was you. He said, listen. He says, you don't understand.

You guys want me to tell them what we're doing. These guys know what we're doing, but they don't want to know. So I said, oh, they want to do plausible deniability. Is that it? Because Dana goes, yes, that's all. You give these guys a bag. They'll deliver it to wherever you want. And that's it. They don't care what's in the bag.

So we actually staged one time we said, I got a tractor trailer full of drugs coming up from the south. I need to park this truck in a certain area. They got the whole Hollywood Police Department and SWAT team. okay they were watching the truck none of them asked let me see the bill of lady none of them asked what he got in there what none of that and that was the precursor i'm saying are you kidding me if somebody said to me you know and a shady guy like we had we have guys with long hair coming in they got they don't look the part and saying you want to just sleep for the night and you go so to me that that's where it becomes a

challenge. You wanted to get these guys to come out and try to get as many as you can by going up the ladder. So if you were able to get more, if you can't, then you might as well terminate the case. And but to me, the fact that these police officers and the guys that I was dealing with just feel that they could commit wrong and a criminal act, but just not know it or have you say it. That's just, That's wrong too. It should be a law against that. Another interesting one is you got involved in some Atlantic City stuff in New Jersey going after counterfeiters. Yes.

The counterfeiter guys were the supernotes, Jack, that we were doing it. These were the guys who were, they told us over and over again that this money was undetectable and as good as you could possibly make it. And we did. We looked at it. We brought it down to the lab of Washington. They examined it and they said, man,

this is one of the best copies that I've seen. Because usually a lot of counterfeiting goes on in Colombia and all of that. But there, and you could see them. Sometimes they just look really bad. But this was money that was created from the same machine that we use in our printing, the same paper, the same ink.

So, I mean, they could really cripple our economy if monies like that was out, putting it out. So it became an FBI priority. And we were able to bring in something along with our counterparts in Los Angeles. We had an agent out there to independently work in his case. And he was able to get some money. And then finally, that's when it was decided that we want to just pull the plug on the case because you don't want to take the risk of them polluting that. but it became a political hot potato because it was it China or they're telling us North Korea

or is it China and and the Bureau at that time was in negotiations and I said to them, guys, listen, it came from somewhere, but now it's been determined that there's been so much of an influx of supernotes by a lot of agency. I know Secret Services had some massive seizures as well as DEA. Have you found that too, Jack? Guys, you've had on your show with Super Notes? I mean, I remember we had a Secret Service guy on and he told us the way they came upon it was

it was like a cashier, like a woman who worked at a bank in the Philippines, yeah. And she was used to just handling so much currency on a daily basis. She was like, this one's a little off. and they put it through the machine and said, no, it's real. And she insisted like, no, something feels off about this one. And that's how the Secret Service started getting involved in the Supernotes case. Oh, wow.

Because if you Google Supernotes, you can see there's been a lot of seizures that have been done by them. And to me, that's a scary thing that you're able to really create a tremendous amount of wealth. And, you know, but listen, this happens. in 2002, all of the counterfeiting with China. We were getting, like I said, there were meds, they were getting cigarettes, bringing in by the tractor trailers of cigarettes that were coming in to the port. We told them we were playing a role of gangsters and that we had a dirty custom guy. So give us the name of that container and we'll make sure that customs overlooks it. So then for that, we've got something like 35 grand for.

So we were able to get the containers done, cleared and bought back then. And the whole container was full of cigarettes. And people were buying it because it was such good prices on it. We had the cigarettes tested and they said they were okay. But sometimes people who smoke and try it, they say, boy, this kind of tastes stale. and that's usually a sign that the thing is a counterfeit, you know. But they looked the same. They would come in the Marlboro box.

They didn't have to stamp, but if you wanted to have the stamps put on, you could buy that. It was all stopped shopping. And they would say they would shut down the city that these things were made and they would just go to work like busy bees and then load it up. and they had a 40-foot trailer and a 20-foot trailer, but the government charged them the same amount. So it wasn't worth it to bring 20-foot trailers in. You might as well pay for 40.

And they flooded our country with cigarettes, and they were making a fortune out of it, and especially in the low-income areas. They were able to get cigarettes sold at a very cheap price, but it was on force of. that, couple with the medications that we saw, the clothing, of course, as we know what to be. And then they started with the supernotes and then the weapons that they wanted to do. It was time to, we had to pull the plug on these guys.

And they also talked about narcotics. They even said that they had narcotics that they could bring in to the embassy in diplomatic pouches. When you say they, who were these guys? Chinese. They were Chinese criminals. And they would actually think about that. They would bring in diplomatic pouches to come in. And it was an overwhelming case that went up for some time.

And, you know, things happened. I was blessed that I worked in the NYPDFPI Task Force. And we were very aggressive. We always went up the ladder until we couldn't go anymore. look, we lock up a drug dealer, we get them to cooperate. Well, what did you get your kilo from from this guy? All right, take us to that guy. Boom, you're rolling to him.

Then you're rolling to the next. We're an organization. And that's how you do it. But sometimes these massive cases are so overwhelming that you can't do anymore. You don't have the manpower or the resources to do it. But to me, if you have a major case, like this case was called Royal Charm, they should deploy the manpower. It was listed as one of the top cases.

Actually, Obama was briefed on this case on a regular basis because of all the things that were going on in this case. But then finally at the end, when we had to make-believe wedding, everybody got locked up and they were all found guilty. Tell us about the make-belief wedding a little bit. Well, they brought in a female, well, the how it goes back to, they wanted us to go to Paquette.

And I said, I can't smoke Piquette. I don't know where to how Piquette is, nor do I care. I'm not going. And I couldn't because I'm working other cases, too. So I couldn't go on vacation. So the guy goes, oh, come on. He goes, no, because even think about it,

what if I got to go to the bathroom? Where am I going to go? I'm going to need the chores of life to get me out of the freaking plain bathrooms, right? So I said, I said, look, I'm not going. I don't do well on, on planes. I don't like it.

Whatever. And they said, okay, what if they bring a female to be engaged to the primary? And they, in turn,

go on this love vacation. That way, you're preventing the undercover. If you went by yourself of the bad guy saying, let's send 10 girls over to his hotel room.

now what do you do? You know what I mean? And of course, the guy is married. Imagine that in courtroom? Yeah, Your Honor, did you go to court? Yeah. Did you have 10 women on you that day? You know, or whatever.

It's just not good. We have to make, when you do it undercover, you can't forget what you are, that you're an FBI agent, you know. And therefore, they brought in a female that will keep him occupied. He had his meetings with them. And then the guy goes, okay, we're going to talk about the more supernotes as well as the weapons.

And they set up another meeting in Atlantic City. And that's where I came in and we sat down and we came up with the exclusivity that we will move all your supernotes. But we won a 30% split for them. You take 70, we get 30, we get 30, we'll move it all. And they had no problem doing that. But like I said, they also had the same deal with another undercover in New York in Los Angeles. So there goes that. So what happened is at the wedding, they went to Piquette.

They came here. Now we're setting it up. How are we going to take these people down? Some of them were from Macau, others from Beijing. Jing, whatever. And then they said, well, why they come up with the idea? Why don't we have a wedding and invite them? So they send out the applications, the actual invitations, like Lou, marrying Melissa, and it was going to be this grandiose wedding. We got them hotel rooms. They all came in. And then we went out to dinner the night before. And we were at the restaurant. I was the best man. So I had to give a toast to all. all the people there, which is kind of hilarious because, you know, you know the fate. You know they're going to go college the next day. And they're there and all this.

And they're racing their toes to the undercover. And this is great. So we said, all right, guys, tomorrow we're going to pick you guys up in the limos. And they were picked up. They were wearing gowns, tuxedos. And they were driven right to the FBI office. myself and the primary undercover, we had the two principles of the case. And one guy was supposed to have represented China as a taekwondo expert.

And he's in the back. So all of a sudden, this is the night before. I said to him, all right, listen, we're going to go to see these chicks, you know, a little bachelor party for Louis. Oh, it's great. So I see them popping blue pills. I go, what are you guys doing back there? The guy goes, oh, we're getting somebody.

Is that real or not? He goes, oh, no, we only use the real ones. I say, yeah, and you sell the Americans the fake ones, right? So that's kind of what they were doing. So anyway, we're in the car and we're driving. And actually, I told him I got sick. We canceled the event. The next day, oh, I'm sorry, we said we can't go see these girls.

Instead, we detoured and went to the FBI office. And they got goes, hey, what are you guys doing in this building? I said, hey, it was an office building. I said, I forgot something in the office. So we get out and the SWAT team was supposed to jump them. And sure enough, the karate guy goes into a karate stance. And he, I had already gone in. And he's taking it on with a couple of SWAT guys doing his karate like Bruce Lee on it.

He was going to Jackie Chan them. Yeah, it was like ugly. And then we finally, they got him arrested and the other guy arrested. And of course, none of them cooperated. They said, you know, and all that. And then early in the morning, they were supposed to get married and this thing. The other people that had come, the secondary subjects that we had, they all got arrested.

And they were all sitting in the lockup at the marshals, wearing the gowns, carrying gift boxes. And hey, does that mean that Lou and Melissa, are they still getting married? No, you idiot. You're going to jail. What? That's wrong with you? But that was how we were able to get them all to come.

in for the case as opposed to have them to be outstanding fugitives that we will never see again. Right. You took them down all at the same time. Yes. And how many of them were ultimately convicted? I think there was like 40-something that we had. Yeah, it was a good number that we got. And the guys who worked the case was Nicky Yannos, they did a very good job on this. He was a long case. I don't know how these guys for years. See, I kept busy, but these guys were just concentrating on this case. And I just showed up for like important meetings that they had. And the guy took a liking to me, the main subject. And one of them was the woman, the wife of it. And she kind of got the hearts for me, you know. So she was a, we used to call her a chubby chaser, you know. She liked me guys. So, well, you know, it was funny. And

Because the other undercover who left the case, he was another big agent, too, you know. But it was a good case that was had. It's been featured in a lot of shows. It's also featured, I think, on FBI True. You could see that. There's a lot of these cases that I work. If you look at FBI True, there should be one called Royal Charm that's on there. And I could also send you the link of the Broward Sheriff Department,

And if you like, Jack, that you could post for your guys. Yeah, yeah, we'll post some links down in the description for our viewers. Absolutely. Yeah, in fact, one of the things that they may love to see, which I thought it was probably one of the most highlights of my career, was the Willian South Falcone, the Kings of Cocaine, Cocaine Cowboys, Kings of Miami. Have you seen that? Yeah, I have. Yeah, I'm on episode four.

I don't know if you've seen that. And what it was is these guys were the biggest drug dealer. of all time. They were Cuban guys and they corrupted a juror. Not only one juror, three jurors. And I went in posing as an emissary from the principals, Willie and Sal, and said, we know that the money we gave you to the, to the jury foreman, the money gave you spending them indiscriminately all through town. We know you bought this and the feds know this. So what are you going to do? You're going to talk? oh no no he said i'll i'll do 20 taped it all everything was taped wind up getting jail time of 19 years the guy and then we tried the brothers

retire again for corrupting a juror found guilty and the other guy willie falcon he pled guilty after that but it was a great case i mean there's so much as you could i'm sure attest that that show, Kings of Cocaine, Cocaine Cowboys, Kings of Miami, it's an amazing case. And I was so proud to have worked that case. It was just so complex. But my case was kind of easy. I just dealt with the jury form it. But the agents that worked at, you know, Mario Terici, Michael Anderson and a few guys and gals.

And it was just probably one of the best. I mean, these guys were so big. they had so much money. They had, we found one time we found a safe in their living room floor that had something like $7 million. And this is just one of the many that they had. I mean, they were making money during the big Miami Vice era. Right.

And you could see that also on that show that I was telling you about. FBI true. You could see that on that, if they want. Or you could see it on Netflix, which is even better. Cool. Episode four. And so towards the latter part of your career, you got sucked into going after Italian organized crime, right? Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. How'd that come about? Yeah, I always worked drugs and stuff like that. I never worked traditional organized crime. And a guy that I worked actually, the Russian case where we were. doing the money laundering. His name was Nat Parisi. He said to me, and listen, we're getting this case started. I think you'd be the perfect fit. And I go,

well, what is it? And the guy says, well, you got these Albanians that are shaking down clubs in New York. And these guys are ruthless. And they're shaking down some of the mop joints. So we want you to go in and start working at the strip club. I said, what? I said, you have me at strip club. I mean, what else? I'm there. So he goes, well, we're going to make an Italian out of you. So I go to like a class he puts in and pronunciation. Like you can't say, you know, you can't say manicotti. It's manigot. You know, and you got to say Kalamar. You know, it's just how Italians speak. Not that even though I was posing as a third generation Italian, but I was more Americanized and I was from Miami.

So I was subjected to that whole Miami Spanish culture. So they make an introduction of me where I paid off the, what happened was the Albanians were coming in. They came in one night, started smacking the customers around, breaking bottles, demanding that they get money for protection. They said to the owners, I won five grand a week.

Otherwise, we're going to keep coming back here. And we're going to beat up on your customers. We're going to beat you guys up. So I'll be back next week. Well, the owners got together and said, hell with that. That's called the FBI. So to get a hold of the FBI,

and ergo, I got the spot. And that spot was for me to go back and deal with these guys. Well, what happened next morning, this Italian mob guy, walks in, fully dressed in a suit, alligator's shoes, the whole nine yards. And he said, hey, I heard you had a problem yesterday with the Albanians. So we go, well, what did you hear that? So he says, yeah, it's getting around. You guys had a problem. Well, listen, we can make your problem go away. But now you got to be with us. And you got to pay us $5,000. I go, well, how do I'm going on this

deal? If I'm paying him or I'm paying you? So anyway, we turned out that we decided to go with the mob guys. And sure enough, we paid off to keep the Albanians from ever coming back. And they didn't. What made us think that maybe they were working together by creating a situation and then offering a solution. Either way, you were out five grand and maybe they split it. So it's a typical extortion thing. Yeah, yeah.

So we came working with these new mob guys, which were unknown to the FBI. There was no, we didn't know that his name was Richard, Louis Louis, Louis Filippelli. No one knew who he was, as well as some of the other guys that were in no FBI chart. And after like a week or two, the guy comes out of prison is Greg DePalma. Greg DePalma used to own the Westchester Premier Theater with Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Dean Martin, the Hussu of, would always play a, at his club. It was a very, very successful club back in the 70s. So he gets out of jail. He goes right back. And then he claims his club back. And we and the FBI decided, do we go with the

Albanians? We said, no. Do we want to go with this guy full of Peli? Even though we haven't heard of him or do we want to go with Greg DePalmer? And one thing about Greg, he loved to talk. Well, we and the FBI love to listen. So we want to. to hear because he had a gift of gab. He thought no, you know, he would always talk about everything. So we hooked up our, uh, our car with him, started hanging out with him, you know, being with his company all the time. I later, after a few years became his driver. I took him around. We knew what he would tell me what meetings he was going with. I would make sure the surveillance team was out there, photographing all the wise guys that were meeting for these sit downs that they had.

And then afterwards we will find out what the meeting was, just by virtue, because he would tell us. So the case, we were able to find out what companies were being extorted. They were very big in the construction racket. They had a lot of union corruption. They actually got me into a union. We had to be my, Craig DePalmer was his name. He says, Jackie Boy, I want you tomorrow to be at such and such a place in Yonkers. I get there, like he said, all these cars, all these wise guys are in there.

We're in this catering hall. Oh, I wish I could remember the name. It's the tip of my tongue. Anyway, we're sitting there. We're being served coffee, cookies. It was like a party. And there they said, I have these old mops just sitting down. And I'm having your attention.

This is Local 305 from the food, whatever. I don't even know what it was. He's here to tell you. about the union how to join. Well, he gave, which is a very important thing to mob guys, is we had joined the union, you got medical coverage, you got dental, you got eyeglass. I had better benefits with them than the FBI.

I'm telling you, it was unbelievable. And all of these things jumped in, so we got that union removed these guys from it because they were working hand-in-hand with the mob. And we sat down all these mob guys because that's what they do. A lot of guys go sign up and become put on the books in these companies, his construction. Because all they really care about is they actually care.

They provide medical coverage for their family. And it was a very good case. We learned a lot. We learned about the Gambino Crime Squad. We learned who the bosses were. This is the post-Gadi because after Gotti, got in prison. His brother Peter became the boss.

Then there was something about junior. It was Peter. Well, I hear some voice. Anyway, so we found out the hierarchy of the Gambino crime family as well as other families. We got a lot of valuable intelligence. We were moving along. There was some funny stories that happened. One of them that was one of my favorite,

is, you know, how, you know, how, let's say, movies imitate real life. What they did was the movie with the show The Sopranos. Remember? Did you see the Sopranos? Yeah, yeah. Remember the scene when Ray Laota is playing this all-time mobster and he comes out of prison and he doesn't like the way the mob is being run by tone? and he wants to like make money and he's beating people up and breaking their arms just overall making a lot of headwaves for Tony.

So what they do is they decide to, and he was on parole. So they decide to set him up. They set up where they said they came into these television sets that were stolen and they needed a place to store them. He said, yeah, I'll store them for you. but it's going to cost you X amount of dollars. Yeah, no problem. Well, then the next scene you see is the probation officer looking around and he says,

what's in that garage? And they open up and they see the TVs. And the next thing you see is Ray Leota in a prison going back to prison. Now, how the funny story is, I got the boss of the Gambino crime family, which was, his name was Arnold. Skutieri, one of the guys who replaced John Gotti. And the captain of the mob wanted me to give him at that time a plasma TV, because I told him it fell out of the back of the truck with some of my crew. So sure enough, we give him the TV. Now, I get a call like a two or three o'clock in

a morning from Great Department. And I'm like half asleep. He goes, hey, let me ask you a question. I go, what? He goes, where'd you get those TV? I go, you know where I got him. Yeah, I don't want to talk in this. Why don't you come down and see me? I go take off, call the agents to come follow. I get there. He goes, where did you get this TV?

I said, I told you. My guy's got it. Oh, you don't know the problem you did. I said, what problem did I tell you? He says, I gave that, we gave that TV to the boss. The boss is watching the sopranos. And he's seeing this television. And that's exactly what he's doing because he too is on parole.

And he saw his TVs being removed. and he said, get this damn TV out of my house now that they had to go and remove the TV in the middle of the night from Arnold's house because of the Sopranos. So life imitates art, you know, or art. Yes, however you want to frame it. But yeah, so that happened in the case. We were doing how the role I was playing was a guy from Florida. I had a crew of Dominicans up here that were doing a lot of stickups.

They were doing robbing a lot of drug dealers. So I would sell them a watch, a Rolex president. But what we did is we would go to the forfeiture unit where we had so many watches. And I told them there was stolen watches from, you know, my guys. And I would sell them to him for like 3,000 or 4,000. that he would sell for eight because those watches went for like 17. So now he saw me as an earner, a guy who was making money. Then it was television sets.

I was selling him. And all of that stuff was like I was establishing my bona fides with him that I was this earner guy who not only, I met the bill. I made money. I knew the rules. He realized that I was capable. of doing jail time and capable of violence if I need to do, which of course I would never in my undercover rule. But that's the kind of guy that they look for before offering somebody

to get straightened out, which he did much later at the end of the operation. And how did you guys end up closing that case or bringing that investigation to a conclusion? Well, we took down 32 guys, guys from the Genovese's crime family, guys from the Lucases, guys from the Gambinos. They all pled guilty because we had plenty of recordings. We were up on wiretaps too that we were able to get. So they all played guilty except one, Greg DePalma, which is the guy that was with me.

And we had the most dirt on him. But he was old school. He did not believe that it's up to the government to lock you up. It's not up to you. You can't say, you know, don't make their case for them. Fight them every step of the way. So he fought them and he was found guilty. I think he got 14 years.

And everybody else took a plea, which is what we wanted. But we did go to trial with Greg De Palma. And Greg was in rare form. He had what I call the mafia flu where he comes in in a wheelchair with workers, the face mask, you know, unshaving. ruling. And I remember the scene where we're up there and I'm testifying and we were playing tapes. And the last tape we played, it was of the case previously with Greg Palmer went up in jail, which was from Atlanta and the Scores Strip Club in New York. So he got caught in there and he's

saying on tape, he says, oh, those damn feds, they don't know nothing. I goes, I went out there. I may believe I was feeble. I was drooling. I was on my deathbed. I was in the gurney. The judge came in and read me my thing. He only gave me 77 months. Those idiots, I'd like to beat him up. He was just MFing all of these guys. So all of a sudden that's on. The jurors are looking like, oh, my God, he's doing it again. So he goes, is there any more thing? No, agent goes he could step down. I walk away. And as I'm walking past Gray, he's got this mask on, he's sitting there, he looks at me and he goes, you cock sucker. Right away, they go, I object, you know, he's of intimidating the witness. You know, they made a whole thing out of it. But I just found it hilarious because I felt like saying, Greg, you haven't changed one bit. There's nothing wrong with you, man. You're always, you know, you're always looking to hustle.

He was born. He was born in this life. He knows we would go to the store like this big man shop in New York because he was a big guy too. And he started wrapping ties and putting in his coat. He's robbing shirts. I go, what the fuck you doing, Greg? We're going to get caught here. You got camera.

Oh, the hell with them after. And I said, Greg, what do you do that? I would buy you the shirt. What do you need that for? He goes, you don't understand. This is what I am. This is what we do. And I'm going, oh, my God.

It sounds like a villain right out of a Batman comic book or something. Exactly. And he believed that. He believed that, you know, we went to one time he would have, he was very good friends with Leroy Neiman. He was good friends with Willie Mays. He knew all these guys because the club that he had was just, I mean, if you go on eBay and put in Westchester Premier Theater, you could see all the programs of all the. these famous people that appeared in his club. And also he was famous for that photograph that

showed up in Congress where he had Frank Sinatra with his arms around Greg. In it, he had Carlo Gambino, Paul Castellano, Jimmy de Wiesel, Salisputo, all of these mob guys sitting around that they brought out in the Senate hearing and say, you have an association with the mob. response was, hey, listen, people want to take pictures with me. That's what I do. But this was like all of these mob guys took a famous photograph, which I think I sent you a picture, Jack, of the group of guys. Or I sent it to Dimitri. There is a, uh, uh, the picture of all the mob guys that became very famous. You what? We'll post it up. Yeah, it's a classic photograph on it. But that was great. Greg was a celebrity. I would go with him all the time. We go to these restaurants, and Greg would be the same guy. People will come up to him, civilians, people like my parents, your parents. Oh, Mr. De Palma and Mr. Worcester, Premier Theater. I went there on my birthday. I got engaged there. I saw Frank there. I saw Dean. I saw Sly in the family, whatever they saw. And he would go, oh, yeah, you like that. He goes, good. He goes, let me see a card. He would take their card.

and he would have a whole bunch of cards. And depending on what they did for a living, he would try to think of how to hustle. How do I get something from this? How do I get my hands in these people's pocket? Because one of the things about Greg that he was fantastic. He was great in reading people and seeing what he could do. And with that, he was able to see what he could get out of them.

And he was unbelievable. He would cry to blues for money. even though, like I said, I've seen him with tons of dope and money, rather. And one of the things about him that made him what he was, even though he made a couple transgressions in the mob, like the contract on one of the guys and a soldier that he had, was simply because he would give money always flows up in the mob. Well, he would give money a lot of it to the top. this way if he stepped on his crank and the guy goes, well, he's a good earner

and he does the right thing. You know, a lot of mob guys are all pissed off that they got to kick money up. But in that family, you always have to kick money up. It doesn't come down. It always goes up to your captain. If you're an associate, it goes to a soldier, from the soldier to a captain,

to the concierre, the concierie to the underbors, to the boss. So everybody got to get a taste, you know? And, you know, when you deal with a family like the Gambinos that had 26 captains coupled with, God knows how many soldiers and so many associates, that's a big money-making enterprise, you know? Yeah. Talk to us a little bit about kind of winding down in, like, retirement,

and what it was like adjusting to civilian life after a long career undercover. It's been very tough, Jack. I tell you, it's been 20 years since I'm out. I miss it. I can't. I'd be lying to you if I said I didn't. I love the adrenaline rush. I love working with some outstanding men and women in the FBI and the NYPD.

I just love the thrill. I mean, there's nothing better than lifting that martini glass and looking at the FBI and looking at the FBI. the bad guys after you set up a deal of a ton of cocaine or whatever the case may be. And you look at each other's eyes and you say, hey, you know, this is a salute, you know, or chandan. And you look at the person I and you see that he's believing all the stuff you've been telling him. He believes that you are the genuine article and you're not. And that's a rush that you're playing, you know. and the fact that, you know, it's a, I went from, you know, being mostly never home.

I mean, I was living in an apartment on 38th Street. I did see my family every once in a while, which was tough and brought a lot of strain between us. But I missed a lot of special occasions with my daughter. and those are times that I can't reclaim and those I do miss. But it was a sacrifice that not just me, because I wasn't the only guy out there. I mean, I had a team of guys and we were all committed to working to doing what we're supposed to do. And it's, I don't look back with regrets, but my health, which is what I'm working on now really suffered a lot. I've was just, I almost died last year.

I had a chronic kidney disorder and I made it through and, but still working on it through rehab. It's been tough. And then I found out I was anemic. A lot of that stuff, you know, it hits you because you neglected. Right. I was out there. It was always either you were drinking, eating, partying, smoking, smoking cigars,

being around people. who inhale, it's just a horrible lifestyle, getting up early, lack of sleep, running is stress all the time. And not only the stress, I didn't feel that much stress with the bad guys. I felt stressed with the Bureau. Because the stress with the Bureau came with like, I need this, guys, for me to work, you know? And there they have to, that's why the FBI, the middle thing is the view, the bureaucracy, that you have to have everybody sign off. If I'm on the street and I need a plasma TV. I can get you a plasma TV within an hour.

But with the FBI, oh, no, you got to go get this. You got to put in this paperwork. You got to get approved. Then you got to get the check cut to you. You got to get the money cashed. And then you got to get it. That's the bureaucratic. That's the stress that I felt.

And then I've had supervisor when I worked in Philadelphia. I was in the badlands, taking down dopers over there in the badlands. We took down 120. drug dealers and I'm out there in dangerous areas and I got a supervisor after me for my weight who's texting me 911 so I can come in to the office and weigh myself and I couldn't weigh myself in a freaking scale. I had to go to the freaking loading dock. Are you fucking kidding me or what? You know, I'm out there with bad guys and I don't have time for that nonsense. I mean, and so that's the stress that came to me was that.

And yet working with the people, the actual agents, oh, fantastic times. They're like my friends, my teammates, my brothers and sisters. They just, you know, it was always, it was good. But the bosses, some of these bosses have no business being in running the FBI, none whatsoever. They have no experience, short-sighted, the person even canceled the undercover case with the organized crime. There was no, none of these

gangsters knew anything of me outside that they thought I was Jack Falcone. They bought everything with it. They, and what I wanted to do was to introduce other great undercover agents that we have in the Bureau, bring them into these families

all through the United States. There's like 20 some odd families, introduce them, get them going, sing with us, and tried at the end to take them down because I was trained always to go up the ladder. And here it was done where, and it just blew my mind. It was like all of a sudden we're moving. I was supposed to get straightened out.

They canceled all the ceremonies because all the, they canceled anybody getting straight now because Joe Messina, the boss of the Bernanos decided to cooperate. And instead of like, just rolling with this. I mean, Joe Pistone got six years. I got mine in two and a half years. I could give me that same amount of time. And I was just so looking at it that it was short-sighted and it was a big loss from the Bureau, I think, to be able to capitalize on introducing other undercover agents into this operation. And it really saddens me and it also sadden a lot of

agents that work the case as well as the United States attorney. So that in itself, that's the part that that I guess bothers me at night. It's like, I don't get it. But then I have to get away from it clear to edge and say, you know what? That's not my decision to make. But guess what? All the people that wanted to shut the case down, they all stood up there during the press conference and patted each other on the ass because they all, but yet, you know,

you're sitting there and you're like, are you kidding me? But I said I wouldn't trade my career for anyone else. I was blessed last year, the FBI Agents Association, which I think is 17,000 agents. I was nominated as a distinguished service, which it blew me away. This was unsolicited. It was in Washington, D.C. And it was from the FBI agency. so you can go to the FBI agents, FBIAA, and see the video as well as the, what do you call it,

the write-up on it. But what made it interesting, Jack, and I wish I could knew him to have him be a guest on your show. The guy who won it last year was Tommy Norris. You know who he is? Oh, yeah, he's a Vietnam veteran, won the Medal of Honor. and an FBI agent. Yes. And Tommy Norris got it the year.

So when I got the phone call, I said to me, they said, oh, yeah, you've been nominated and we've given you the award, sing-wished service. But you've got to be kidding, man, I'm getting punked. Who, who, you know, what are you kidding me?

And I said, I know. Tommy Norris won. I mean, he's, the guy is a hero crying out of a medal. of honor winner. And he said, well, you know, I was able to get it, and I'm blessed for it. But Tommy Nauris, you know, I only know him by reputation, not as a seal. I know him as reputation as an agent.

I always heard he was a stand-up guy in Quantico, you know. So, you know, so I miss my job. I miss the camaraderity of the guys hanging out, of maybe after work, stopping for a cold one. Just like I'm sure you missed the guys. in your unit and stuff you get together it's you you miss it yeah i mean it's important to keep those connections alive you know and you know still go hang out with the guys sometimes when they come through town yeah um true d do we have any questions for jack uh i have one okay jack how close were you to becoming actually straightened out like made

because that's like a serious thing that's being undercover and almost on the brink of getting made into the mafia. I have numerous recordings from Greg DeBalm explaining to me the process and how he put my name. And what happens is, once you're in the mob, you get put originally on record, which means that you belong to that family.

So you or a business, let's say you own a business, that gets on record. After a while that you prove yourself, that you're capable kind of guy, the boss decided, which would be the captain, that you're a guy that could be one of them, that he likes that. So they circulate a list. And in that list, you have a column of guys that died in the year that were made guys.

So it will say, Joey Bag of Donuts, 1999. And then you put Jack Gar's Falcone. And then you put all the names of people died, and people that you are recommending. Now, they take that list and they pass it around to all the families. The reason to see whether maybe some other family had claimed you and you're in the wrong family now. And they say, well, that's our guy.

We would, with us years ago. Or maybe you were some kind of closet pervert. Maybe you owe money to a guy. Or maybe you're a rat. So they get around and if no one comes back with anything negative, They will tell you that, okay, and such and such a date, put on your best clothes. We're going to go get straightened out, but you can't tell anybody that you get straightened out. Now, that's the point where I didn't get to.

I got to the point of my name circulated. I was going to go, but the reason was that the boss of the bananas, which is one of the five families, Joe Messina cooperated. So once something like that happens, they kind of. to cancel everything and go on the hiding. So it stopped automatically. Now, I was told by Craig the Palmer, don't worry about it. Once it passes out, we'll get you. It could be six months. It could have been a year. But whatever it was, I wasn't given that chance. Immediately, the negative forces to shut down the case began. And the case terminated. And that's why I said earlier,

The Stone got six years. I did two and a half. Give me another year and see what happens. We're going to be bigger and better by introduce another on the cover. So I came close at least getting my name on that list, Dimitri, to get me on. But I didn't move to the level of getting a date. And what happens just to your viewers know once you call then, usually you go with the person that sponsors you. You go in a room.

You get called in. The family is there. boss is there and all the captains. You walk in, there is a knife and there's a gun in the table. And there are the knife and gun. They pick up the knife and you cut it, your finger and you spill blood into a saint card or a mask card from church. You light it on fire and you say things like, you know, if I betray this organization, may I burn in hell like this saint before. forming and you take the oath of a of a murder where this is your family. You're told who the people are in the family. You're told who the boss is. The under boss, the captains are. You're told that you can't

betray that if something happens, if your kid is dying in bed and you get called by the boss, you've got to go see the boss because that's your real family. And this is stuff that they believe, for years they have believed that. And this is what goes on into the life. And that would then afterwards, everybody gets together. They lock arms and you lock in everyone. And now you become a button guy. You start off as a soldier.

And then eventually in time when you prove yourself making money, you make it put in a captain position, and then you move up the ladder. But being a, in that criminal word, gives you a brand. Now you got a name. You are part of an organization. You know, you are no longer working individually. Neither were you when you were an associate working for a family because you were on record. But now you have that power that you can't, let's say, for instance, to give you an example, you can't hit a mate guy. If I hit a made guy, then I could get killed

for putting my hands on a main guy. The other thing is, if I want to introduce somebody, let's say Dimitri is the guy that I want to meet. But I can't go up to Dimitri and say, Hey, Dimitri, it's me, big Jack, how are you? I'm from the Gambinos. I saw you at a wedding. You can't do it.

Because it's a secret criminal organization. Dimitri would say, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I get out of here, you know. I had to find a person that knows me and knows Dimitri. So I go to you, Jack. Jack, you know his both. do me a favor. Get me an introduction to Dimitri. So then you would introduce

Dimitri to me. And how it's done is that I want you to meet a friend of ours. That makes me listen that you're a mate guy and Dimitri's a mate guy and I'm a mate guy because it's ours. But if I say this is Dimitri, he's a friend of mine. Now that's telling me, you could talk to him. You like them, but he's not straightened out. He doesn't know. He doesn't have the keys to the kingdom. So he doesn't need to know them.

And I saw that. Many times we would go to meetings where I drove my guy and he would go with a captain, because captains sit with captains. He go in the corner and they whisper and they talk. I couldn't go to that conversation because I'm not a made guy. And that's what we wanted to do. That's why I wanted to get straightened out because I wanted to sit on that table. I wanted to hear what they were doing.

So I want to be able to stop. it. And that's what hurts the most about that. I never got to that table. It's something I've been told is that the Department of Justice, the prosecutors, sometimes at a certain point with these undercover operations, they want to shut them down for a couple of different reasons. I think part of it is the fear that the American federal law enforcement could, if they keep an investigation long enough, I guess you could make an argument in court that the government is now running this criminal organization? Yeah, I could see that.

Because I've experienced that in some other cases. But in this particular case, I had an amazing set of AUSAs, and they wanted this case to continue. So they were supportive of keeping it. Now, again, compared to the other cases, I work cases that were four or five years in the making, this was a two and a half year investigation that could have gone. Maybe when it got to four and five, they might have said that. But at this moment, they caught the matter of clear blue. Like, what do you mean you want to end this case?

Are you talking about it? We got a position to bring somebody in. He's in. They even talked about having me, because the guy I was also dealing with this guy named Robert Becaro, he was part of the pizza connection. So I told him, let's go down Sicily and meet up and maybe meet those connections. down there, but that never transpired because, again, and it's something you can't do because you're an undercover, you don't really have that power. You know, you're just to them. And that's

another thing about undercover work that sucks. And I tell this to people, because I used to teach some undercover classes, is that people sometimes think that you're a snitch because they treat you like a snitch. And I say, wait a minute. I got the same bad. as you. I got the same credential as you. Don't you ever fucking treat me like I'm a fucking rat. He says, I'm an agent. You show me the respect. Because these people can't comprehend that. Some of them look at undercover is that, oh yeah, he's driving a Hummer H2. He's going to the fancy restaurants. They're going out with these beautiful women. They're going out because we were in the strip club. Whenever we went out with the bad guys, we'd fucking load them up with strippers, you know?

And right away, he was like, oh, these guys, all he does his party, all right, fine, you do it with that. How's that? You know? And, you know, but it's one of those things that people look at it that you're getting over and all of that. But I didn't create the job. I was putting the job. Right. Right. And this is what goes on. And you don't want to do say, well, guys, it's nine o'clock. I got to go watch my, you know, SpongeBob SquarePants show, you know. Again, the book, Jack's book, is Making Jack Falcone. You guys can go find it. It's out there now. Is there anything else you want to tell people about? Anywhere people can go to find you, Jack?

You know, I'm on LinkedIn. Maybe you don't want to be found. I mean. Are you on LinkedIn? Yes. Yeah, I focus a lot of, you know, fun things. And I'm, they can get all the meat for you if you want to. But, you know, my book is out.

You can watch these shows. I'm going to send Jack a couple of the videos of that. And like I said, if you want to watch the Netflix, I'm on episode four. By the way, that's a fantastic case. You got to watch that from the beginning. These guys were race boat, cigar boat champions, world champions. Wow. And they were drug deals the biggest they were.

And you'll find that to be a great case. Again, is, and if you want to get a hold of me on LinkedIn, reach out to me, send me a message, I do my best in answering. And I just want to say, listen, what an honor this is for me to be here. I have utmost respect for our military. I love you guys and ladies in this. And I thank you from the bottom of our, for keeping us all safe always.

Yeah, thank you, Jack. I mean, we appreciate your service as well in the Bureau. And I'm glad that we get some of you guys on here to tell your stories. Yeah. Well, I'll talk to my friend Jimmy Gags. I think you'll find them interesting. But in the meantime, thank you guys. I love it.

And ever want to get hold of me or something, you need to? There's so many guys I could maybe even turn you on to, you know. I don't know if you've spoken to guys like Jay Dobbins. You talked to Jay yet? No. He was an ATF who infiltrated to Hells Angels. I spoke to him on the phone years ago. Yeah.

You want to get him? I mention my name. He's a good guy. Okay. Yeah. There's a couple of guys that have written books, you know, on the mob. And if you have somebody, I could gladly recommend anything for you guys, all right? We'll definitely hit you up about that.

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