The Team House - Inside the IDF Hostage Rescue w/ Jack Murphy | EYES ON Ep. 27

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

Support the show here:https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouseToday we are joined by Jack Murphy and we run down a handful of news stories, first we talk about the IDF hostage rescue, then the 8 suspected terrorist arrested across the US, Russian sabotage in Europe and what Jack and Sean Naylor are working on in The HIGHSIDE.Jack Murphy & Sean Naylor's Substack where you can find all their articles:https://thehighside.substack.com/Find Andy here:Twitterhttps://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023Substackhttps://amilburn.substack.com/Andy's bookhttps://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations/dp/1526750554Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.

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Choose one. Choose one and stick with it. Jack's not really a subject matter expert on anything really, but we have him here. We're going to run down a bunch of stories going on right now. First and foremost, the big news from the weekend was the IDF hostage rescue in Gaza. You know, that was a big one. supposedly over 200 terrorists, if you're listening to the IDF, were killed during this. And four hostages were rescued, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Jack, what do you got on that? Tell me everything you know. Yeah, I mean, what I'll say this much is, you know, I spoke to a source this week, and he confirmed that this was a Israeli unilateral operation. there was really no American military or intelligence support for it at all. So they did this one on their own, targeted counterterrorism, hostage rescue mission,

went in and pulled out four hostages from Gaza. And, you know, there are some differing perspectives, of course, as everything in this conflict. And, you know, the Gaza health ministry said, yeah, I think they did. I think they, it is confirmed they did. bunch of airstrikes to support their withdrawal out. And now it's going to be contentious of like how many people died in those air strikes. And I think the Israeli government has even said there have been some collateral damage. Is it like 274 civilians the way the Gaza health ministry says? I don't, I don't know. I'd maybe take with a little bit of grain of salt on that. And then the other interesting thing

is the Palestinians are saying that they, that the Israelis used some deception tactics to come in using a aid vehicle, ostensibly to infiltrate closer to the target area. There were other reports. I think it might have been even in an Israeli newspaper reported that some of the operators posed as Palestinian refugees, like they were internally displaced people, you know, posing as them, moving from one place. one town to the next as a way to get closer to the target area while being undetected. And I'm not sure if it's true or not. You know, some of the people are saying that they posed as aid relief workers, you know, and that would be probably illegal if they did that.

If you recall back in the day, like what was it 2008 when the Colombians rescued American hostages that were held by FARC, the. helicopter and I mean there was a deception operation that they were you know first they were red cross workers and that turned into a bit of a controversy yeah so but I mean now there's also some video footage some helmet cam footage that the Israelis have released and when they show the operators moving up to the target structure I mean they're wearing like full battle rattle clearly identified as Israeli soldiers so that would negate the idea that they were like in disguise as they got closer.

But it's possible that two things happened, that a reconnaissance element came in close under cover, and then the assault element rolled in behind them. I mean, there's a number of different things. And whenever you talk about military operations, the devil's always in the details. And I won't claim that I know all of them on this particular mission. So speaking to that helmet cam footage,

I only saw a little piece of it. But did they engage anyone on the target? any bad guys on the target it didn't look like from what i saw it looked like they literally rolled in rolled into the room and grabbed them yeah i mean and that could be because the the camera footage was edited um possibly by by the israeli authorities either censorship or they don't want to show something that's particularly gruesome i i don't know yeah just totally speculating it's hard to believe that they didn't receive or engage enemy as they as they rescued the hostages um you can hearing the footage like a hell of a lot of incoming fire. I mean, there's a firefight

breaking out all around them. Okay. Cool, cool. So, and I did, I read, I think it was in, when you were on with Ward Carroll, that all four were from the same, they, all four of the hostages were from that music festival? I believe they were. I believe. Okay, because the one girl I recognized from when it first happened, October 7th or the eighth, the next day when they were throwing video her picture like of her being taken away i guess and apparently the uh the mission commander um was wounded on the objective and and passed away when they went to the hospital um so yeah they lost apparently they lost one officer um during the during the raid gotcha it's crazy uh i can imagine i was trying to think of it from an intel point of view um how they prepped that target you know um

If I was an Intel officer, I'd be, you know, on this app, I'd definitely be talking to assets who are in, live in the area or, you know, are familiar with that area. You know, what do they know about where they're being held? Is it, are they actually there? How many bad guys are there? That sort of thing. So that must have been a, I'm curious to know, and I don't know that we ever will, how long the preparation for this took or was it, hey, this is the intel we have where they

are, go get them. Yeah, I mean, the operation, I hate to use the word complexity. It's overused. These operations are difficult and complex, right? And any kind of hostage rescue usually is. So from what we do know, I mean, it's clear that a fair amount of planning went into this thing. And as you point out, any hostage rescue operation requires a high level of intelligence to be successful to do a surgical raid. got it. Is there any, Oh, go ahead, Dee? Is there any indication of like TFO or RRC or NSA like helping in terms of like Intel? Not on this one. No.

Okay. Now, the fact that it was done during the daylight, you think that indicates it's one of those, hey, an extremist, we go now? Because normally this would be done at night, right? Yeah, especially when you're bringing in birds for the exfiltration. You'd want to do that under the cover of darkness. So I don't know why the decision was made to do it during daylight as opposed to at night. But obviously they felt that they had a high confidence of success.

Maybe, yeah, you point out, I mean, it could be like part of, you know, what you'd sometimes call an emergency assault plan. Like the hostages are about to be killed or executed or something. So you go in and do the assault because it's last, you know, it's worst case scenario. But no, I don't really know what led into the. decision to do this during hours of daylight. And sorry to keep peppering with this stuff, but I'll keep it up. With the exception of the loss of the commander, rest of peace,

do you know of any huge hiccups that happened? I think you said something about a vehicle. Yeah, there was, again, a report that one of the Exville vehicles got stuck on the way out, you know, that they had either got stuck in a pothole or mechanical problems. I don't know what the, what the issue is. So they had that on the way out. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. I would ask D. if he's got anything, but he fell asleep. No, sorry. I'm looking at another story. Yeah. Well, I mean, so that's four, you know, who've been recovered. They looked relatively healthy in the video that I saw as for, you know, healthy for what

they'd been through. So, yeah. I'm hoping that, you know, they can get the rest or at least get some word on the rest. So I would think after this, that Hamas would probably shuffle these folks around from wherever they were to other spots, you know, to try to prevent this happening again. Yeah. I mean, and the interesting thing is when they do that, it opens up more opportunities potentially to detect the hostages being.

moved. And sometimes that's a part of the plan too. Like you're hoping you're doing something hoping that the bad guys are going to get on cell phones and start blabbing their mouths about what's going on and say, hey, Ahmed, we're going to move the hostages over to, you know, this street now. And, you know, that opens up other doors, other opportunities for you to get people back. Absolutely. Yeah. I was actually one of my first thoughts when I saw it was like an apartment building or something was, wouldn't it be better? for the bad guys keep them underground. If there's such a, you know, a huge network underground,

then why keep them there unless they were in the process of moving them from one spot to another and just stuck them there? Yeah. And I mean, there's a couple of different things and it's all speculation, of course, but it could be that someone has to take care of the hostages. And there's like a sort of ratio that you need like two people to take care of 10 hostages. or four people because you have to have people guarding them at all times and bringing them food

and stuff like that. And, you know, so if you're keeping the hostages down in tunnels, then you have to have, you know, either Hamas members or or auxiliaries that are caretakers of the hostages and keeping them alive. And I mean, yeah, are those people going to live in tunnels or are they going to live in houses, right? So it's like, a question of like where are you going to have and then also as you know the difficulty in moving the hostages around um and then maybe it has something to do with the some of the tunnels being destroyed as well yeah what's uh ballpark like how many hostages are left over a hundred over a hundred yeah like confirmed alive or we don't know like most like not not confirmed

it publicly yeah all right beside uh next story i wanted to talk about was uh the top Hezbollah commander and three operatives killed in southern Lebanon yesterday by an Israeli strike. Taleb Abdullah is the most senior member of the Lebanese terror group to be killed in eight months of deadly border fighting with Israel. And in return, 80 rockets were fired at the north on Tuesday. What do we got cooking with that? Jack, thoughts? Well, I mean, not really. I mean, it's the continuation of this conflict. And, you know, I think Milburn laid out maybe the last time we talked about how there's this sort of like tit for tat, like you do something.

We're going to do something. And it's all sort of like part of it is a little bit of a stage play. I don't, I hate to say that because people get killed. But it's like the Israelis do something. They know to keep their credibility. Hamas has to lob some rockets back at them. And so it's this sort of like almost arrangement, de facto arrangement. that exists.

But you're having, you are, you know, the problem is there's this increased drumbeats towards war in Lebanon with Hezbollah. And that opens up essentially a new military front in this conflict

and escalates the, the chances of this conflict expanding into something much larger. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it's real, not necessarily can afford it, but wants that right now. They got enough shit going on.

I mean, I think they're overwhelmed by what's going on in Gaza. I can't see like how they're going to fight a two-front conflict. Yeah. Absolutely. What else we got, D? You were talking about Poland before. Yeah, we'll get to that one last. I mean, this one that happened yesterday also was, this is more domestic, I guess.

Eight suspected terrorists with possible ISIS ties arrested in New York, L.A. and Philly. the men from Tajikistan came came through the U.S. southern border and their criminal background checks came back clean at the time they crossed but they ended up getting swept up here in America which is kind of scary. So they came across the border legally.

Yeah. Yeah. One actually even used that like one border app or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's for asylum. and yeah, everybody, they all checked out clean. So it's scary, like you were just saying, Dee. I mean, nobody can argue, hey, we knew they were criminals.

You know, why did we let them in? They did it technically the way they were supposed to do it. And they made it in. And this didn't, I know that the article, I think, came out yesterday, but this is like months. As soon as they got into the country, they were under observation. They were being surveilled and checks were done on them. So then it was a multi-state operation was put together to round these guys up.

I think it was one guy who actually wasn't one of the original group, someone that they hooked up with, had been on their FBI's radar as well. So when the two met that group and then this one guy, that was what the catalyst was. It's like, okay, round them up. Wow. Is there anything, has anything come out about like what the plot was or how far along it was? I haven't seen anything. I'm going to keep reaching out to my contacts about it, but I haven't seen anything about what the plot was.

I'm very interested because, you know, that they came across the border, you know, and there is obviously border security issues that we need to figure out and resolve. But we really haven't seen terrorists infiltrating by coming across the southern border. there's always been fears of it. You know, sometimes paranoia, but I don't think we've seen an actual terror plot come across the southern border until now. Yeah. Yeah, well, despite what people are screaming,

you know, that every one coming across is a terrorist now. And whoever sent them, because I'm sure it wasn't just random, was smart enough to send ones who don't, they have a clean record, you know, so they get in the way, that you quote unquote should get in and once they're here then they can collect and you know pop off whatever they're planning but thank god i mean i hate to say it but um the fact of the key factors where they were coming from their countries of origin uh played a big role in them

being um profiled for lack of a better term and uh in this case it paid off not saying that everyone that comes from syria you know iraq or and whatever is has nefarious intentions, but that, I'm sure, has had a big part in playing, or big part in the fact that they were being surveilled afterwards once they made it into the country. Yeah, so these guys are from Tajikistan.

Tajikistan, yeah, even then. I mean, that's just probably enough to say, okay, let's keep an eye on these guys, you know. And sometimes they're already here, you know, and this is not a terror plot thing, But Jack, do you remember, I want to say it was back in 2010 or so, we had that big spate of Afghan students that were down at Fort, I think it was Fort Bragg or one of the other one.

And they just kept, it just walked off the base and disappear. I mean, some of those still haven't been rounded up. So who knows? I'm sure that it's not a. They turn up at a strip club at Fort Lauderdale or something like that. And I'm sure in most cases, it's not a. terror plot. It's just the case of I don't want to go back. But there was that one case. You remember a few years back to Saudi.

It was a Saudi student on a military base. He was down in Pensacola. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you just, you never know. Never know. No. And then you may have, I don't know if you talked about this on, Team House, the shooting down at Fort Bragg, the Russian, Russian, Russian. Chachin, I think, right? Chachin, yeah, the contractor for that energy company. The telecom company. Delacom, yeah.

Yeah. Some crazy. Yeah, I know, I don't know everything about what happened there or by any means. I know a few things or some interesting details. I'm interested to see how all that pans out. Yeah. If that guy really had some sort of nefarious intentions or, was he just a telecom employee

because the employer put out like a press release like you know we stand behind our boy he's going to be exonerated in court all this like that's not something an intelligence platform does right like they would just pull a fade and disappear out of America yeah like

you don't you're not going to court and batting for your your dead asset it doesn't work like that absolutely yeah and then when I saw when I first was reading the article and I saw the company was out of New Jersey. I was like, God damn it. Jersey again. We do it again. Yeah, we did it again. Yeah, but that's some crazy. I mean, it happened at night, right? If I remember, or in the evening, dust. It was still light out, but it was like almost, it was the sun was setting.

Gotcha. Yeah. I mean, it's tough. You see somebody taking pictures. Your kids are in the area. Now, this is based on what I've read, you know, kids are in the area. It's kind of hokey to you. I'm not sure where it turned violent. I heard that it turned violent or escalated before the shooting. But yeah, it's, it's weird. There's a lot of details. I don't think we're getting. Yeah, there's some interesting stuff there as far as on the military side that I'll tell you guys after we finish doing the show.

I'm not going to say it publicly. Yeah. Because I also, I don't, I'm not going to publicly identify that army officer at this time. And, you know, he deserves a chance to be, you know, cleared in court as well. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You got to assume this guy was highly trained and like this probably isn't the route if you're getting surveilled for real is to just. No, it's not. Shoot a guy. Yeah. I'm not an expert. It's not what they're trained to do. Right. Yeah.

They're not trained. Like if you're under surveillance, you're not supposed to go and confront the surveillance team and shoot them. Absolutely not. Right. Yeah. That's not in the farm handbook. Absolutely. No.

And even in, and this, this, this, this, this army officer is a farm trained case officer. Oh, really? Yes. Oh, man. See, yeah. And we're, we're absolutely, even if you're in a vehicle, you're running an SDR and you think that you're covered. You're not doing that. Hollywood.

Let me hook this first right. Then flip a Ui. Let me do that. That's at, at, at you would do that. But that is, it's your last point before you make it. It's your last decision point. You, you can go into like a one, a. where you know there's only one way in, one way out, start flipping UIs and stuff like that.

Aggressive, it's called going aggressive. But you're not doing that right off the bat because now you've just told whoever's following you, okay, this person has something to hide. You know, so. You know, I've been doing some research for a separate, a separate story. And, you know, the FBI, interestingly, has a unit that specializes in this that, like, if you're an FBI agent or it could be requested from another governmental agency and like you're under surveillance you have an active threat like iranians are parked outside in front of your house this like FBI van with a bunch of dudes with MP5s will pull up and just like rip dudes out of their cars like they don't like it's it's specifically for active threats and from what I understand these dudes do not fuck around at all

yeah yeah I mean let them do it you know you yeah it's and oh my God what's happening you know but let them do that shit crazy jack you got anything tell me tell me what are you working on give us everything um so i Sean Naylor uh who you know I work on the high side with on this this national security news outlet um he's working on this story about um a legendary CIA officer who was a green beret in vietnam has a distinguished service Cross that may be upgraded to a Medal of Honor potentially. So that's in the works right now. I'm working on a story about Havana syndrome and I'm pretty deep into it.

And I've spoken to a lot of the, I'm really interested in speaking to the original people in Havana who are hit. And I've talked to a number of them and I'm going to talk to another one shortly. and I've been talking to a lot of the doctors, a lot of the CIA doctors. And like, these are like really interesting people. They're like practicing doctors that see patients, but also have a top secret clearance and consult with the White House and with the CIA on like, you know, CBRN threats and stuff like this. Like it's very, very interesting stuff.

So I'm working on that article right now. And once that's done, yeah, there's some other interesting stuff that I think Sean and I are going to move on to. Awesome. Well, I'm definitely looking forward to the Medal of Honor article because, as you know, he was a mentor of mine. Really, really good guy. Check out the high side. The link is in the description. Jack and Sean Naler, you know, the guy who actually wrote the book on J-Soc.

Yeah. Yeah. So can I ask this then about the without you giving away anything about the Havana syndrome thing? are crickets involved? Because that's what I'm reading. I'm hearing like crickets or beetles or some. Yeah, that was one of the things that I think Jason group trotted out there that these guys were just hearing crickets.

That was ruled out pretty early on in the investigation. And obviously the inner ear damage and the damage done to the cerebellum, that's detectable and has been detected in different kinds of, there's different types, as I've learned, of functional magnetic resonance imagery. One of them is called full body, I believe, fMRI. And so there's different types that look at the brain. But what I'm getting at is that between that and also the blood marker,

biomarker indicators of TBI, there's quite a bit of physical evidence that these people were hurt by something. And, you know, obviously crickets are not going to cause inner ear damage or damage to your cerebellum. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that and I was like, wait, well, I mean, I'm no medical person or scientist, but I'm like, damn, they got trained crickets against this. It's crazy. Yeah. Some of the other stuff people have been freaking out about is that Russian flotilla that's,

like off the coast of Florida heading to Cuba. There was a lot of like Twitter chatter like standoff between Russian and US, you know, meanwhile, it's probably at this point probably more than three quarter, a quarter of the Russian Navy is literally going to Cuba because they're so run down. I mean, look, Russia is not a credible threat. Like they're not a credible military threat to us. I'm sorry. They pose a significant counterintelligence.

threat, maybe even, you know, if they decided to conduct acts of sabotage against the United States or something along those lines. But like, is the Russian Navy going to come in bombard Tampa or something? I don't think. Yeah. They're going to come in pound Key West. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I think they're just trying to, uh, they're just flexing what little muscle they have, you know, because I think was it Putin had said, you know, we're willing to arm you are enemies America's enemies you know against them and people were throwing up headlines this is another Cuban missile crisis blah blah blah I just don't see it they already arm our enemies against us and our other enemies are arming Russia against us so it's

like what changes yeah like if you want to use have some sort of like use a threat you have to have a leverage and like you don't have leverage when you're threatening to do something you've always been doing anyway. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't make sense. Yeah. Oh, man. What else you got the?

You guys are really running me ragged today. I mean, it's more about the, you know, Poland rounding up a bunch of like Russian agents, I would say, because a lot of them are, I guess, dual national, like, you know, Polish and Russian citizens. so, you know, just running sabotage operations. I mean, the polls are probably super busy doing this. It's probably a big factor and what, like a big thing on what they're looking at. I'm sure they're using a bunch of bandwidth to try and stop it because. Yeah, I mean, they got a lot of stake, you know, and when it's internal, to me, I've always thought that that was the biggest issue. You know, it wasn't Russia.

It wasn't China. It's always, to me, it's internally, whatever, you know, that guy that you see every day at the gate, you show your ID to, you know, where those loyalties lie. Not that we should be, you know, paranoid about everyone. But that, to me, is the biggest threat because that is what lulls us to sleep, you know. And so you have these dual nationals who have competing loyalties. And that's when shit like this happens, sabotage or, you know, like, or even, it's not even necessarily doing that dual nationals. It's one who get caught up in this YouTube, TikTok.

Snapchat, whatever stuff, and they see all these propaganda videos, and then they start sympathizing. And next thing you know, like that British officer, they're handing over secrets. The interesting thing that I haven't really seen anyone put together in the media is that there's sort of a global game, a global shadow war going on, in that you saw all of these acts of sabotage in Russia, mysterious fires and explosions.

Who's doing that? I don't know. And now you're seeing this stuff starting to happen in Eastern Europe. And you also have to factor the Nord Stream. We still don't really know what happened there. You have to factor that into it. Like each act of sabotage carries with it an implied message to the people who are being sabotaged.

That you're under threat. We can get to you. And we can strike you harder in the future. And I think it's very interesting to look at how, you know, all these acts of sabotage happened right when Russia invaded Ukraine. in Russia, all these sabotage acts in Russia, they seem to have dwindled off. And one could speculate that it's because the sleeper cells are either running out of demo in their cache site locations, or they have had, they've been rolled up by Russian authorities, or they were compromised

enough that they have to clear the country and get out of there. And now, but here we are a couple of years later and all of a sudden, you're starting to see this escalation in acts of sabotage in Poland. Why is that? And why now? And I think that you have to see it is like, is this retaliation for that? Yeah. Like you did it to us.

It took us a couple of years to build up the intelligence infrastructure in your country to conduct these acts of sabotage. Now that we've built it up, we're going to start doing it. Yeah. Makes sense. I don't think, I'm speculating a bit here, but I mean, I don't think it's totally irrational to view it in that lens. Absolutely.

And why wouldn't you want to divert attention and still fear, you know, in countries that are not directly involved in Ukraine or the conflict, but border it or, you know, or sending equipment or something like that? Because now you have the ripple effect of not only generating fear, but you could generate sympathy against the war. You know, people saying, you know, look, this is happening in us because you guys are giving them tanks, you know, that sort of thing.

So there's definitely second and third order effect. Is there a possibility of how high is that threat in terms of sabotage and arson, like for our factories, like in Scranton and the one that they're building in Dallas for the 155 millimeter shells that are like obviously like gold there? It exists. And I mean, I don't know really, Jason. I mean, maybe you can comment on the security and the counterintelligence are around those facilities. but I think there's a great book that I've recommended in the past. I think it's called Burn, Bomb, and Destroy.

And it's about the German sabotage campaign in the United States a hundred years ago. And they were blowing up ammo dumps. They were putting incendiary charges on ships that were bringing supplies over to Europe. I mean, it's very interesting to see how that campaign was run in the United States back then. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So, I mean, these people are vetted. The people who work their security, whatever it is, they're vetted.

I don't know what the exact process is, but I'm sure that they go through a pretty extensive background check and, you know, all those other things. But again, this is me harping on the insider threat, but you could get through Scott free, like these guys that came across the border, you get through Scott free, and then you're working there for two years or whatever. and you start falling on hard times financially. You're going through a divorce, whatever it is. And, you know, the Russians, the Chinese, whoever it is, takes note of that stuff because

they are watching these people and approaches, hey, we got the solution to your problems. All we need you to do is ABC. You know, so it could be that everybody, all 100 people who work there are vetted fine, but all it takes is one bad day, one bad, you know, a Hansen type thing, where, you know, your finances are going to shit, your marriage is going to shit, all the perfect storm. And yeah,

I don't necessarily see it coming from the outside. I could see it coming from the inside if it was going to happen here. And that all of that takes like some deliberate targeting by foreign intelligence services. Like that's not something that like these like Tajikis are going to throw together. Right. Yeah. So, I mean,

it's just worthwhile to point out that, you know, you would have to specifically target the facility and the people who work there and spot and assess them. And it would require the Russians to infiltrate competent, trained, like tradecraft trained intelligence officers into the United States. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, this is not a, some guy sitting in his basement, you know, I'll show them kind of thing, especially from the outside. Like not somebody, let's just say in Ohio, you know, some guy who's like, you know, fuck

the government, I'm just going to build this thing and toss it over the fence kind of thing because he's going to get shot. Whereas someone who is targeted who has knowledge and ability to get into these facilities, they're targeted and it would be a month, sometimes years, operation

for a foreign intelligence service to target that person, work them up because this is the United States, whether, you know, for better or worse, people are pretty much loyal. At the end, at the end of the day, we're a little less averse to saying, okay, Ivan, you know, give me $2,000. I'll do this, which is going to cost my life probably.

So it's probably months or years to bring that person around to even considering doing an act of sabotage, you know, it's one thing that insert a computer virus than it is to plan a bomb. it's uh i mean on that note i mean it's it's actually pretty interesting the security we have around our nuclear infrastructure in this country um i probably shouldn't go into too much detail but i know i know of one facility in particular that like they even war games like what if the irgc parachuted a battalion of iranians in here could we defend against it and like it does that facility does have to be able to defend against it um so there's

some pretty interesting stuff that that goes on there. And we do have special ops guys who red team those facilities to see, you know, is it possible to sneak in there? Is it possible to assault the facility? All that kind of contingencies are war-game. Yeah, I was in a nuclear security before I went to the agency. And you're absolutely right. I don't know if they don't call them CAF teams, but they are SF, some former, some current who, and they take some of this. security team from each facility and train them as well just so you have that insider thing and they run war games all the time live and tabletop yep yeah scary shit you got to today's too like the cyber threat is just as you're even more you know of a threat than the

physical threat of it absolutely you know hopefully are pouring money into that yeah yeah yeah I definitely can't speak to that. I barely turn this computer on. But yeah. But again, people are, you know, we get so hyped up on, even when it comes to cyber threats, hey, shutting down a centrifuges or something like that. That could be something as simple as inviting a program into the system that shuts down production of a small part for F-35s or something like that, you know? It doesn't have to be huge. Yeah. Poisoning the supply chain is like a huge thing.

And it's something that our intelligence community looks at doing to the enemy as well, to our adversaries. Absolutely. That was great. Jack, where can they find you? You can find my screeds across the internet. I am on Twitter at Jack Murphy RGR. Find me in Sean's work as well on the high side, which is a substantiated. you can go check out.

And then, of course, you can find me and D on the team house every Friday on the YouTube's or wherever you go for podcasts. Jason, where can they find you? Right here. No, I'm on I'm on Instagram. It's just my personal account. Yeah. I'm boring.

Everything. All the links will be in the description. Definitely check out the high side with Jack and Sean. They do work that you're not going to find the New York Times doing. the Walsh Journal doing really. If you go check it out now, I mean, there's a ton of long form articles on there. We got stuff about J-Soc spinning up for Gaza. We got stuff about the CIA Omega teams in Afghanistan.

The special forces greenlight teams that parachuted in with backpack nukes, all kinds of cool stuff on there. And that's parlayed into a book about special forces history. Eventually, yeah. I'm working on a book, yeah. Sure, it should be great. Of course, patreon.com slash the teamhouse. That's the best way to support this show because YouTube continues to screw us. And screw up multiple, a ton of other creators to it.

YouTube sucks. Yeah, it's been a big change and it's kind of wild. If you're listening to us on audio, don't forget to rate and review it. Do what you can to support patreon.com slash the team house. All the links would be in the description. And yeah, thanks, guys. This is a good show. Yeah.

Yeah, it's awesome. Thanks, Jason.