The Team House - Iranian President Dead: What Does it Mean ? | EYES ON | Ep. 24
Episode Date: May 21, 2024Support the show here:https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouseToday we talk about the helicopter crash that killed Iranian President Raisi and if his death means a change in strategy for Iran. We also tal...k about the ICC handing out indictments to Israel and Hamas.Find Andy here:Twitterhttps://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023Substackhttps://amilburn.substack.com/Andy's bookhttps://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations/dp/1526750554Team House socials https://www.instagram.com/the.team.house/https://twitter.com/theteamhousepod?lang=en#iranBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.
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eyes on and i'm andy milburn i'm uh demichie contacos yeah almost caught you out there d right
early in the morning little you know little hungover as usual nothing wrong of that but we're missing
jason so we normally you know we have this i really
Jason will be back.
He is doing things that are vital to national security,
so you probably don't want him on this podcast right now.
You know what would happen.
Dee, I'm going to make this very short.
Let's do it.
Okay, since it's just me.
Let's chat about this crash, all right?
There's so much to unpack here.
And just so that everyone up front can kind of put the lock on the conspiracy.
thoroughly locker, all right, not necessarily locked up, but just don't hold for the moment.
You know, so let's tackle the, you know, the bear in the room, which is did the Israelis do it?
And I would say, of course, I had no better than anyone, but I would say very unlikely, you know,
Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation.
I mean, you're talking about a 45-year-old US-nate helicopter.
You're talking about bad weather, really bad weather, which the Israelis, as good as Mossad is, cannot generate.
They just don't have enough dry ice machines, all right?
You've got, I mean, I think I sent you a picture of the terrain there.
Yeah, I mean, it is like being, I mean, this was like in the area of Iran that they call it, they call it Azerbaijan.
I mean, it's as though, but it's, it is part of Iran.
The Iranians call it, Azerbaijan, I believe the province.
Yeah, very steep terrain.
I haven't been there, but I've been nearby there in Azerbaijan in the mountains.
And I can, you know, for this to have been an Israeli assassination attempt, so many things,
there's so many coincidences would have had to happen.
And it's a much easier explanation to just say, hey, this was an old, old helicopter.
And despite the fact that Iran and, indeed, you know, President Reisi, I'm going to call him Reisi.
Okay, so I don't get corrected with President Reesie were all aboard making, bringing Iran firmly into the 21st century, you know, technology.
But all of this stuff was focused on weaponry.
and he could you know they could do little about their aging inventory of equipment they are trying to do something they are doing something now with the Iranians but not enough in time to to save a bell two one two with the Iranians or you mean the Russians they are getting the Iranians are one of the one of their goals or should be one of their goals to get from the Russians a complete upgrade of
their inventory.
I mean, this is one of the most serious things we should be worried about, I think,
in the Iranian-Russian partnership, not the implications, immediate implications for Israel or Ukraine,
but implications of your fore, you know, for like the world, basically, is that.
Reisi was, by all accounts, you know, yes, he was a total shithead, the butcher of Tehran.
that nickname at the age of 20, all right? Remember all of these guys, Reisi, Akhman Dinajah, Khomeini himself,
they were, and Kani, Salami, who heads up, yes, that is his name, who heads up the IRGC,
Connie heads up the Kud's Force. All of these guys were students together, all right, in the early
20s during the revolution. Immediate after them after the revolution, Reisi and three other
students were made, you know, judicial counsel, whatever they called it, of the Islamic
Revolution, between 79, I mean, it was like, I'm sorry, 1980 through 81, they basically
conducted a purge across the board. All the students, you know, the left-winger's, the Marxist,
I mean, Marxism and the 70s among students was normal comment. I mean, it really was in Europe.
he had them executed.
And this period is when the first kind of dark stories about what the Islamic regime of Iran was going to be like.
And it wasn't just executions.
They were put to death.
There was torture.
Reisi himself, as a student, participated in the torture.
A number of Iranian dissidents who escaped.
have confirmed that. So I mean, he, you know, he's, he is definitely a shit hit. No doubt about that.
It's a good thing for the world and the Western order and blah, blah, blah, that he is gone.
But I want to, I don't think, you know, the bottom line is this, that a success that will be found.
And none of the real issues, you know, Iran on the rise for the reasons that I'm going to talk about, really,
depended on race. He was compliant. Not only was he compliant, but the position of president is,
you know, obviously it depends on the personality, but it's, you know,
Archman Dinojad made it into something. But it's, he's really kind of a cipher. It's a place,
it's a bulletin waiting, right? As, you know, he was, he was kind of getting scrutinized for,
and from what we're hearing was approved for to succeed as the Supreme Leader,
Almeni.
And just for everyone, I mean, I know most of the audience understand this,
but the Supreme Leader is exactly that.
You know, the President is kind of a figurehead.
So when the Supreme Leader gives orders to the IRGC or directly to Kuzvost,
which he does, it is directly to Salami or Kani.
Rasi may have been in the room, you know,
but he is not part of that, you know, that kind of operational chain of command.
Nominally he is, but in practice he is not.
The regime, Norei is getting credit for this.
And it's very interesting to watch guys who have or read commentary from guys who followed him for a long period of time.
Remember, when someone gets killed, everyone becomes an expert on him, right?
But there are a number of people in US and think tanks and actually a couple of Israelis
who have been following Reelisie for a number of times.
So I was very interested to hear kind of what they say.
So what I'm, you know, what I'm about to say is kind of a synopsis of those people and people
have spoken to, you know, in the last day, it's not my brilliance, which, as you know,
is an oxymoron.
Look, so, you know, under this kind of, under this regime, when I say regime, I'm really
he's talking about Soleimani, who died, you know, back in 2020.
It was killed in 2020.
The drone attack you.
But their vision of Iran has evolved to something pretty frightening.
And they're down the path on that.
And Reisi's loss, he was part of this, but lost, you know, his loss won't.
At the best, at the very best, it'll cause problems at a succession argument.
but I doubt for a moment that this is going to deflect from Iranian foreign policy as if,
because it is working beautifully for them.
They all want to claim credit for what is happening right now.
Now, going back to the crash, just for a minute, look, the Iranians have racked up,
I mean, many scientific, technological military achievements.
But in many ways, Iran remains backward.
You know, infrastructure is not sophisticated.
And Iran's got a long history of air accidents, I mean, for all the reasons we've given.
The sanctions, its face for years, have left it really no choice but to cannibalize any of its American-made airplanes, helicopters, which were purchased, of course, when the Shah still.
So they've got to cannibalize things for the spare parts.
It's the way we've been doing, all right?
They haven't been, you know, the training, the upgrades and all that hasn't been.
you know, the training, the upgrades and all that hasn't been happening, all right?
So, you know, again, getting back to this accident and the regime where the rulers decide everything,
you know, when those systems exist for investigating failures because failure doesn't exist,
no one can challenge the decisions of, you know, the administration.
Well, accidents are going to happen more often.
Right.
I mean, you know, and that's, and of course, nevertheless, none of this will kill the conspiracy theories.
But what I'm really talking about is kind of the ring of fire strategy, which was formulated by General Soleimani.
Okay.
And that, the ring of fire strategy sort of surround Israel with militias, non-Iranians, non-Persons, so, i.e. expendable.
Surround Israel with militias armed with tens of thousands of rockets and missiles.
and it's been bearing fruit, you know.
It really has.
Israel is in the ring of fire.
And the level of coordination between Iran and its proxies between Iran now China, Russia has stepped up.
You know, Israel obviously suffered a severe blow on 7 October and since then has, you know,
is basically caught in a strategic trap on several.
fronts to include its domestic front, right? The Iranians are doing very well.
And, you know, the Israeli-Saudi normalization agreement, which Tehran was afraid of,
it's been frozen, and Washington's acting cautiously towards the Iranians.
I'm not this isn't a criticism out of concern that they're going to restart their UK weapons
program, which, of course, they already have. So, you know, the question is, who is
The question of who's going to succeed them isn't, isn't that interesting, honestly.
The question is what happens in, you know, in the lead up to that.
Is it going to cause rifts within the regime?
You know, there are, again, I'm arguing, I'm arguing that Reisi was not that important.
You know, he was, I'm arguing that that him gone, it doesn't make a difference because the regime is going to continue.
Soleimani's bring a fire policy, which was proving very, very useful.
But what Raeisi arguably brought to the scene, I mean, this is what some people say.
I'm not sure this is true.
I think this is what the regime has just derived at, you know, realized the last few years.
And he was a major supporter of ties with Russia and China.
He believed that Iran's future was in the east, not dealing with the West.
He didn't care about reviving the Iran deal.
or going to Vienna to glad hand, you know, other diplomats.
He wanted to encourage a new regional, a new world order based on Iran, certainly in the Middle East.
You know, and so.
I mean, it seems to be forming.
That's for sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, the new China and Russia Iran world order is it's really, you know, it's set up for business.
I mean, Iran's already exported.
drugs to Russia. They're doing joint naval drills. And what is probably going to happen next,
if the Iranians have any sense, they're going to try and do a deal with the Russians. I'm sure
the Russians would love to get them these things. But, you know, S-400s, Iran, that's a big deal
for Iran to have, I mean, their air defense systems are a weak point. So to get upgraded weapons
systems would be. Does that include fighters, too?
like new fighters?
Yeah, SU-35s, which are very, you know, they're the Russians cutting edge, basically,
a very capable fighter.
They're the ones who've been doing the most of the work lobbying glide bombs,
a lot of the work, lobbying glide bombs in Ukraine.
Yeah, so, I mean, what's kind of interesting, though,
he was pleased to see China help broker reconciliation with Saudi Arabia,
But it wasn't because he was really, you know, Saudi Arabia was very important to him, but certainly having China step in.
The Iranians hate Saudi Arabia, but they hit Israel more.
They want to isolate Israel in the West by bringing Iran closer to the Arab states.
And that is, and, you know, for the Arab states, Saudi Arabia, UAE in particular, they're happy to hold their nose and push ahead for economic reasons.
They want to
You know Iran would love to bring Syria back to the Arab League
All right
Remember Iran's being supporting
The Assad regime there
And that may happen
You know I mean the Arab League is kind of realizing
Hey Assad's going to be around
For much longer
And with all this shit going on Gaza
Do we really want to cut
You know a country like Syria out of the league
So it's, you know, it's tough to say.
I think all of that will continue.
I think that nothing in the Iranian regime is decided by one person except for Soleimani or, you know, a guy like, I mean, Khamini or a guy like Soleimani.
Racy was not one of those guys.
But nevertheless.
But Racy was also like on, he was going to possibly succeed the.
Ayatollah? Well, yeah, exactly right. Okay, so, so what is important about Reisi and what is important
about what he, he is seen to support and advocate for is exactly that, his position at succession,
because what he's, you know, he's, what he's going to broadcast and trump it to the world
is going to be the regimes, basically their policy, right? Right, of the next decade or so. And he
knows that and he's setting it up. So that is why these things that I'm saying are important,
not because where you see is behind them, but because they represent a, I think, you know,
we can kind of glean what Iranian policy is. And the Ayatollah is kind of like on the way out, right?
They've been saying he's been battling cancer for like ever, no?
Yeah, but you know, it's just hard to tell these fucking Ayatollahs.
By the way, gosh, I haven't got tried. When I say fucking Ayatollah, I just mean the
bad ones, okay?
Sure.
The point is this, that
they, yeah, they don't drink, right?
So they live much longer.
This is a problem.
This is why they have an advantage on us.
They live a pretty good lifestyle.
Right.
You know, I mean,
they're not hanging out in the Bronx with all the risk of,
but, you know, and yes,
they are resilient.
They seem to grow.
So you can't bet on him
dying anytime soon, but yes,
he is getting old.
And if,
if he does indeed have cancer.
Yeah, this is going to be a real friend.
So now that race he's gone, like who's the next, like who's on the short list?
Yeah.
So believe it or not, Archman Dinojad is one of the guys.
There's about three or four guys, right?
And the names won't mean anything to anyone.
But Archman Dinnajad, former president.
Really hardliner, yeah.
He's, you know, he's won.
there's a there's a guy called um uh the revolutionary guard has a candidate okay he's a guy named
i'm going to mispronounce it golem like golem right in uh the hobbit yeah golem golem yeah um
golem hussein morsani all right he um sorry he is not the revolution guard guy he's he's a judge um of course
there's no problems in Iran with combining
Yeah, yeah.
They were cheating. Yeah, they don't sweat that.
But the Revolutionary Guard also
has their own candidate, a guy named
Kualabath, and no one
knows much about him, except that he is
you know, he's
IRGC.
So, you know, there are things happening
behind the scenes that even the best
Iran watches aren't sure what
is going on.
You know, in the end, Khomeini decides
who the candidates are, and he's likely
Iran watches think to
disqualify
everyone except for one guy
and no one knows who that guy's going to be
it's not like it's a fucking vote
but you know
it remains to be seen if he can
if he can contain the power struggle
if there is one
intra you know kind of the
intra elite power struggle within Iran
and and manages to find another
Raeci what is he looking for
he's looking for a kind of a malleable
yes man a devoid of any
independent ideas
okay so i mean that sounds like the first line on my fitness report
someone someone who executes the leader's will and is blamed for the regime's
shortcomings you know really he was i mean that's exactly yeah um
any i mean the when we mention an irgc candidate though you got to remember the irgc of course
i mean it's an understatement wields a huge amount of power within iran
And so the only possible challenge to a Khomeini choice would be if the IRGC decides that they really want their guy and Khomeini chooses someone else.
But I mean, who knows?
We're speculating here.
Yeah.
My point is, though, that this, we need to be worried not about who succeeds Raezy, but about countering the Iranian regime strategy, which is proving, as I've said, to be, you know, very.
was successful.
You know, just, I mean, just some other examples.
And it just shows that arguably the Iranians are thinking more strategically
than our own leadership, they don't have to worry about elections.
Okay.
Right.
I mean, Reyes, he was a big believer in, and you can, when I say this, you have to see
where he visits, all right?
I mean, he visited Russia four or five times and talked to Putin, right?
he was you know he when the u.s pulled out of the can't know when the u.s was just fucking kicked out of
afghanistan and that awful debacle a couple of years ago of course that was more good news for
iran and racy was the one who was very vocal in leading the you know kind of the the the cabinet in
that direction that's how it appeared but it's probably you know again it's they they all knew what
the strategy was and the strategy was um
that now Iran could take over, operate more clearly across the region.
And by connecting with India and Pakistan and Central Asian, right, Iran can walk that line and reach out.
And none of those countries are going to have any problems with dealing with Iran because they had them before.
And the Caucasus, right?
But so the power struggle is, you know, the power, his, his the, his the, his the, his the, his the, his the, he's the, his the, he's the, his the, he's the,
economy in the power struggle.
It's a power struggle, but it's a power struggle to find a weak compliance successor.
Right.
Continue the regime's nuclear and regional proxy strategy.
And that's about it.
Honestly, Andy, it's kind of crazy to think that would this be going on to this level if Saddam Hussein or some kind of other bath party was still in Iraq?
I know. I know it's a test.
No, I mean, you know, one of the things is that in U.S. foreign policy is that, well, this is, you know, I'm not going to launch into an analog monologue.
But the problem is simply this. A lot of things. We mirror image, okay?
Right.
We are still trapped by some of our Cold War preconceptions. And in the end, however smart the think tankers are, they're in Washington, D.C., and they grew up in American or British Western background.
And that is a huge obstacle, I think.
And that is why we, you know, we often misjudge and we don't understand Iran.
You know, some commentators think that are determined to pit Iran against Turkey, right?
Because that would be useful for us.
Right.
In fact, in fact, Iran, and Reisi was, again, he's visited Ankara.
He wanted closer ties with Turkey.
And Turkey sent over drones and stuff to help search for their helicopter.
That's who found the helicopter.
based on NATO country.
Yeah, that's right.
And by the way, that, and guess what sort of drone that was?
What?
American.
It wasn't a Bay Ota.
It was a DJI.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, it was a DJI.
Forget.
Like one of those commercial drones, like the little ones?
Yeah, it's, um, hold out, I'm trying to look it up.
It's the one with, uh, someone will tell us.
It's the one with the thermal, it's got, it's like a three MT or something empty.
It's got the thermal camera.
Yeah.
I saw the video they were cycling through the different video feeds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but yeah, they, I mean, that was a great example.
I mean, they've got, you know, Iran had to borrow a drone for this, this particular.
Search.
Yeah.
They don't use drones for reconnaissance.
Why would they use drones for reconnaissance, right?
I mean, yeah.
They use them for strike.
So I think.
You know what? We're just going to see continuation of Iranian policy.
We're going to continue to see this kind of unprecedented move by Iran to shift the Middle East
and to egregia itself with, you know, the Gulf, Saudi Arabia, Egypt.
Egypt too, by the way. Iranians have been in talks with Amri. Turkey, Russia, China.
Look, I mean, who's getting isolated here?
Yeah.
Right. You know, is Israel more isolated? Is the United States?
perhaps losing its traction as Iran builds up this, you know, this, I won't say an alliance,
but certainly a lot of non-aligned countries are going to have dealings with Iran, which means,
which reduces our ability to impose maximum pressure, right?
Look, I mean, a regional order like this one isn't due to Reisi, isn't due to one man.
And Reisi was an interesting, particularly interesting or innovative or a mention of a person.
He was pragmatic and cautious, which is how he survived.
But he had a vision that was clear.
And those, you know, those who are working with him, like his foreign minister, whose name I forget.
And the IRGC, they're all sailing in the same direction.
And that is what we should be worried about.
you know the merging of various proxies um focused on israel of course is it is a big deal not just for
Israel but i mean for well but it said it could potentially be an existential issue for
Israel um and uh you know racy's legacy was always you know as he came in he said we're
going to give more support to the huthies and Palestinians very interestingly right that was not
you know, that was not something the Iranians went on about a lot prior to that was
Palestinians. He didn't, you know, he and the and his ministers, I mean, they didn't know the date
of 7 October attack, but they undoubtedly knew something was going to happen, something was going on.
Right.
And you remember, it's the IRGC that put the architecture in the region, put together, the architecture
in the region that enabled that attack.
And it could have been much, much worse
if they had signaled to Hamas to join in.
And then remember right after the attacks,
Reisi went to Doha,
where he met with Hamas leadership and Ankara, by the way,
where both Erdogan and Reisi met with Hamas leadership.
So certainly no, you know, very,
Yeah, very pragmatic in that sense, not, you know, not driven to made mistakes by absurd ideology.
Yeah.
So anyway, look.
I heard like, so in terms of like Ghaz and Hamas, I've heard like Egypt's intel is pretty heavy into like supporting Hamas.
Like there are parts of that that are like pretty.
So there's like Iran when they want to get, you know, whether it's weapons or rockets or money to Hamas, do they run it through Egypt and like Egypt?
No.
So, oh, you mean money going in?
Or support of any kind, really.
Yeah, yeah.
So support.
So the Qataris were open.
In fact, the Israeli government assisted the Qataris and providing suitcases and money to Hamas.
Right.
So there was a very open thing there.
The Iranians too were getting
getting stuff to Hamas
via the tunnels
but also
interestingly enough they have been
sending stuff to Hamas
not any of the West Bank routes but Hamas
via the West Bank
okay
via Jordan
but they were an Iranian IRGC ring, as it were,
the Jordanian intelligence recently just broke into that.
So, yeah, they weren't the biggest, they don't have a lot of money.
That's not the way they contribute.
They contribute through proxy support and all that.
It's the big pockets of Qatar and Turkish money too.
And, you know, I'm not saying it's, well, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, O'Don, I mean, a lot of people, not everyone sported on, but a lot of people
find out, remember, Hamas was the government in Gaza.
Right.
Right. Right.
No other way of getting money to Palestinians other than the vast government.
Yeah.
But yeah, I'm sorry.
No, no, no.
Overly, overly.
Yeah, so that's, I mean, that's, that's pretty much it, you know, elsewhere.
and I think, you know, we can probably talk about it next week or on the next one, you know,
there's stuff going on in Israel is truly strange and quite disturbing.
So you're quite disturbing.
I mean, yes, I mean, all the thousands, thousands of people dead.
I don't need to underplay that.
But my point is, you've got within, you've got some kind of domestic crisis going on in the
political cabinet. Okay, you've got military leaders who are saying, hey, we're losing guys
again. All right. They don't, you know, they don't care about Palestinians across civilians,
but hey, we're losing our guys. Yeah, another four Israeli soldiers killed over the weekend in areas
that we've already cleared, Jabaea, which is part of Gaza. This is, in November, the IDF declared,
hey, we've cleared this area. The brigade division commander at the time said Hamas is no more.
while Hamas is they've popped up they're operating strongly enough to fire rockets from there towards Ashkelon and attack Israeli units and now the Israelis have just sent in two brigades akin to that area with that they've already cleared same thing with Zaytun same thing across rafa Israeli intelligence is saying Hamas is seizing control again in Damasus Gaza so you've got you've got this catastrophic
thing they
you know 35000
Palestinian deaths the
1200 Israeli deaths
um
to no end
to no end right
I mean Hamas is as strong as ever
this is what people were trying to tell the Israelis
you don't
you learn from our mistakes
guys
right you don't
you don't annihilate a
counter insurgency
no by just killing
everyone. And the Israelis don't talk about counterinsurgency. Everyone is a terrorist. Everyone is a terrorist.
You know, everything is counterterrorist. So they don't understand. They don't. They're counterinsurgency
doctrine. Someone wrote it, someone I know actually wrote a counter insurgency doctrine for them 20
years ago and it was never published. It was shelved. But, you know, operational commanders
managed to get hold of copies. But it talks about clear and hold. It talks about all the things that we do.
but the Israeli military isn't trained to do that.
Everything is counter terror.
Everything, you know, that's why they have free fire zones and this and that.
And they stack it.
I mean, they, but that's not even the real problem.
The problem is, again, there is no, there are no political goals.
I mean, I'm sorry, there are no real strategic goals now that makes sense.
Right.
And within the cabinet or within, you know, the Israeli government,
there are those within who believe that that Netanyahu wants to settle Gaza.
In fact, it isn't just a kind of conspiracy room.
Israeli papers came out.
There was an op-ed today that, look, this is why there's no plan for the day after
because Netanyahu on Smoldrich and Ben-Givir and their,
you know, ultra right-wing loonies have a plan. And sure enough, if you look in the opening
clause of the basic guidelines for the current government, I don't read Hebrew, but someone
translated this for me. The opening clause is the Jewish people have an exclusive, exclusive
and indisputable right to all areas of the land of Israel. Okay. So they interpret the land of
Israel as being from the sea to the sea. So now you have a problem, right?
a lot of angst about students chanting that the Israelis may not chant it but that's what they mean
right you know so um it it just seems like an impossible situation i mean even if even if the
general's mutiny and depose nettingahu he's not the problem he represents sadly um in many ways
the wishes of the israeli people who don't want a two-state solution i'm not arguing either way
I'm saying that this is a really hard problem.
Right.
And if anything's going to come out of this fucking sorry mess, anything at all,
it isn't a half-a-fast Israeli victory that turns into a dreadful counterinsurgency
that other people have to, you know, govern because he's right.
Right.
If anything positive, it's going to be a solution, right?
It's going to be something that that may not please both, you know, all Israelis and all
Palestinians, but that prevents this type of thing happening again.
And that solution from the U.S. perspective isn't going to be just an Israeli state, right?
So you see, this is where our national interests totally converge.
Yeah, completely converge.
Completely converge.
And so all these lunatics, you know, here in this country, like the real, you know, religious,
I'm not talking about people, you know, who like me, have an affectionate.
of the state of Israel and blah, blah, blah, yes, of course.
I'm talking about the right-wing lunatics who've never been, even to the Middle East,
let alone Israel, whose knowledge of the world comes from the Bible, you know, those lunatics.
Well, I mean, like evangelicals, for the most part, like, more, like, fanatical Christians
are so pro-Israel because they essentially think that, like, Israel and the Jews are keeping it warm for us.
Yeah, but I mean, you know, that's what it is.
This kind of religious weirdness has no place in American politics.
I agree.
Okay.
Look, I come from a country where religion and politics were combined, and they do it quite well,
the United Kingdom.
But the United States, we have made, we, you know, founding fathers made a determined decision back then.
Right.
Not that it was, you know, to separate the two, church and state.
But these lunatics keep coming back and trying to conflate it and force.
They're weird.
There were no dinosaur views on the.
the rest of the population.
Right, right.
So, man, I'm up, yeah.
No, I mean, it's, so that's it.
It's scary.
It's scary, really because, like, the lack of logic or reasoning behind it is,
we need a little bit of pragmatism, because, yeah, the way it's going right now,
how are they going to, like Israel, how are they going to, they're really going to send
settlers into Gaza?
What happens to the two million people?
there's no doubt that the you know that that's what they want to do well there's no doubt that there are
people who want to do that right and that the government represents those people i mean they do
they represent those people because that's how they got to power in that coalition that's just you know
so who knows can we talk a little bit about the iCC yeah yeah so um the international criminal court
passed out, I guess, indictments, right, for Hamas leadership, Netanyahu and his defense minister
Galan. Look, I'll tell you why I don't think this is a good idea. Because you've just made
martyrs within Israel and elsewhere of Netanyahu and Galan, right? Right. Now, you know,
I've seen this happen before when they've done this to U.S. commanders who probably should have been
tried under the UCMJ. Now, the main.
military closes ranks or, you know, to protect them. And that's what's going to happen. All right. Look,
there's, you, you don't have to make a big fanfare about what, what happened, but you, but, but the way to get,
the way to show the, the absolute moral bankruptcy of Netanyahu and his cronies, um, is to,
you know, write about it and publicize it. Right. And inform, inform the American public and the
world and the Israeli public.
That is the way to do it.
Not hand out a meaningless warrant and turn him into...
He's joking about it.
Right.
Ben Gavir's asking why he didn't get one.
I mean, that's how they think of this.
This is a badge of honor to them.
I mean, how short-sighted can we be?
It's like giving them a Nobel Prize for...
I mean, that's exactly...
That's how I feel.
Just leave him alone.
And, you know, I mean, not leave him alone.
I mean, don't eulogyn.
and don't turn him into something he isn't.
Right.
He's a, anyway.
Okay.
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