The Team House - WWII Navy Veteran on Secret Radar Work and the Pacific War | Arthur Lewis

Episode Date: May 17, 2026

World War II Pacific veteran Arthur Lewis joins us to look back on a remarkable life, from growing up in Brooklyn and training on classified Navy radar systems to serving aboard LSM-238 during the Iwo Jima campaign. He shares firsthand memories of the landing force, Japanese prisoners, ship damage, mine sweeping after the war, and the humanity he witnessed in the middle of combat.Arthur also discusses his postwar life at UCLA, working on early airborne radar at Hughes Aircraft, becoming a lawyer, arguing before the U.S. Supreme Court, and reflecting on it all at 100 years old.Today's Sponsors:GhostBed ⬇️https://www.ghostbed.com/houseFOR 10% off! Mars Men⬇️For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off FOR LIFE, Free Shipping, AND 3 Free Gifts at Mars Men at https://mengotomars.com/Good Ranchers ⬇️https://www.goodranchers.com/Get $25 off your first order with the code "HOUSE"For ad free video and audio and access to live streams and Eyes On Geopolitics...JOIN OUR PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheTeamHouseTo help support the show and for all bonus content including:-live shows and asking guest questions -ad free audio and video-early access to shows-Access to ALL bonus segments with our guestsSubscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouseSupport the show here:⬇️https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse___________________________________________________PRE ORDER JACK'S NEW BOOK "THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN" ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/803651/the-most-dangerous-man-by-jack-murphy/paperback/Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured__________________________________Jack Murphy's new book "We Defy: The Lost Chapters of Special Forces History" ⬇️https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N/——————————————————————Or make a one time donation at: ⬇️https://ko-fi.com/theteamhouseSocial Media: ⬇️The Team House Instagram:https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_linkThe Team House Twitter:https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePodJack’s Instagram:https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_linkJack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21Dave’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/dave_parke?s=21Team House Discord: ⬇️https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6"Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio"00:00 — Start 00:34 — Growing up in Brooklyn, adoption, and Brooklyn Tech before the war04:40 — Why Arthur joined the Navy instead of being drafted into the Army06:03 — Navy boot camp, electronics training, and learning secret radar systems12:34 — Classified radar work and waiting for a Pacific assignment16:22 — Assigned to LSM-238 and fixing radio gear before deployment21:05 — Pearl Harbor, landing training, and preparing for the invasion force28:54 — Marines, the armored bulldozer, and the tense trip toward Iwo Jima32:54 — Arriving off Iwo Jima: battleships, air attacks, and the landing37:00 — Taking Japanese prisoners and seeing humanity in the middle of war40:55 — Getting wounded, climbing aboard a transport, and finally getting a real meal47:36 — Ship damage, Pearl Harbor repairs, and mine sweeping after the war55:41 — UCLA, Hughes Aircraft, and working on early airborne radar systems01:09:04 — Becoming a lawyer and building a 50-year criminal defense career01:15:43 — Arguing a search-and-seizure case before the U.S. Supreme Court01:32:57 — The Whitey Bulger case, retiring from law, and reflections at 100 years oldBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support.

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Team House. I'm Jack Murphy here with today's guest. Arthur Lewis. Author is a veteran of World War II, served in the Pacific, and he is 100 years young as of this speaking. We're very excited to have him on the show. Author, welcome to the team house. Glad to be here. So, Arthur, let's start at the beginning. Tell us where you grew up and what life was like before the war. Where did I grow up? Mm-hmm. Well, I was born in New York City.

My mother rented a room in a bungalow in Brighton Beach. I never really remembered my mother. She passed away when I was about three, four years old. Mrs. Lewis, who was owned the bungalow with her husband. She was a chef. She used to cook in the mountains, the caskills. And when mother passed away, they didn't know what to do with the kid. And Mrs. Lewis raised me for a while until the lawyers got involved.

And they wanted to put them into a home, an orphan room. And this is Lewis decided that she'd like to keep me there. But they had it take me away from her, and she used to come visit me. And I'd go to the gate with her. She was leaving, and asking her, where are we going home? She didn't particularly care. But an adoption followed. That's where I grew up with high school in Brooklyn, New York.

Went to Brooklyn Tech, thought you go live in New York, and I had a tremendous school. had a great education. And at that time, I was getting older and graduated high school, graduated in 1943, June, I guess it was. By that time, Mrs. Lewis had passed away just before my 13th birthday and family of the Lewis. That was the only name I knew. I didn't know my name, but it was anything.

out of Alka Lois. And it grew up, the war with arms started in 41, graduated in 43. Brooklyn Tech was across the street from the Brooklyn Navy Yard. And it was basically an engineering school. Got all different kinds of engineering

was in a federal institution. It took up a full city block. And in order to get in the school, apparently, they gave a citywide exam. And before I was circulated from the sixth grade or the eighth grade, my math teacher said, Arthur, you're going to be going to Brooklyn Tech on Monday. And I said, what's Brooklyn Tech? Didn't know what one.

And apparently I went out to take the exam. And there were a couple of kids from my school. The exam was sitting wide. And apparently I passed whatever the chest were about. And actually I went to book, that's act. But I wondered on this of an area. I was living with Levinton, and they were pretty busy.

I was raised with four girls. various ages and still he was his son and my the relatives I was living with the Bowleman's they were raising another daughter who was the father couldn't take care of her mother passed away and they took her into didn't adopt them but they raised them in any event that's why that's when I decided I wanted to join the Navy, because Brighton Beach was near New York, and the kids see all of their planes going by,

that's what we wanted to do, we wanted to fly. And I knew that if I did my list, I would be graduates into the Army, and we didn't really want to do that. We wanted to fly Navy Air was, was the principal thing that we saw and believed in. And so I did a tribal list. I needed to get the parental approval.

And the family didn't want me to go. And I told them that, well, I'm going to be 18 and three or four months. And so they relented and signed and let me go in the neighbors. And if you want me to keep them, Yeah, yeah, author, before we get into your time in the Navy, I do want to pause for a second here. Just to ask about your reflections of growing up in Brooklyn. We're here, our studio is in Brooklyn.

You know, I would love to hear a little bit about what it was like growing up here in the 1920s into the 90s or I'm sorry, 1930s into the 1940s. I was born in 1925. And I entered the Navy in 1943. And from there I served in the Navy that was quite a navigation again. We took some exams. Maybe wanted to know what's to do with you. I went for the physical. I was a healthy kid at the time.

Nothing wrong with me. But when I was less than 20-20, and consequently they had me take a walk around the block, gave me the day off, told me, come back again, eat a lot of cameras. carrots. Harris was reportedly good for the eyes. It didn't work. And I ended boot camp in Chicago, Great Lakes Naval Training Station. Again, exams, and we had a lot of math science and ice school.

So exams, no problem. Apparently I got accepted into a particular program. There was a Captain Piddy who was the charge of a particular branch of the service. And he had divides the tests and you passed that test they wanted you went to this special program. We didn't know what one of them. And the first thing they did ask the boot camp was to send me to Naval Training Service to Wright Junior College and and we found out that they gave us a lot of the training exams and then electronics or radio and we spent about a couple of three months there and as you did reasonably well they moved on and then I transferred it to along with a couple of others to do

Oklahoma Indian, I mean, New New York, and then in those days. And we were there for six months. Got more electricity, got a lot of radio. We learned how to build the radio from scratch. And of course, we didn't have the chips that we have today. We had resisted capacities and vacuum poop. We still have a few around, but there.

rare. We built a radio. We learned about Hotchutelli radio and moved from there to Treasure Island. And that's when you found out what this was all about. We were learning about radar. Wow. And that was an interesting thing. Because the Treasure Island, we were taught every piece of Navy communication equipment without responsibility. We learned how to read the schematic drawings, how to repair them.

We handled everything from, we didn't handle airborne. So that was down in Corpus Christi. But we had fire control radars. We had sonar. We even had the beginning of the DPS, which was a different method in those days. But it was enabled you to onboard ship to not depend on the stars.

radio transmitters was long-range aids in navigation around. And we also studied the sonar and just about every piece of equipment. The only thing we never worked on was what we'd called FM radio. We'd probably knew at the time. I remember when I finally graduated. It was an interesting period of time when we were in San Francisco. We received a rating that was the same as a radio operator. And that was that a problem later on.

Because we had been dealing with a radar, that was extremely secret in those days. They didn't want to distinguish us from any other sailor or whatever. Didn't want anybody to know that we knew and understood radar to a greater extent than most people did. But the rating was the same as the radio operator, which was no problem. I got up to a second class. Well, we weren't called electronic technicians the most things. But when you're out in San Francisco and in a bar, well, if you were a sailor in San Francisco, there's no other place to go.

I didn't drink. I didn't smoke. I was just barely 18, that time, not quite 19. And I'm sitting in the bar drinking cup of color. And at the sailor next to me, he's got the same rating, same symbol. And he's looking at me, and he starts to give me more cold. Did he and I'm looking at him like he was in mind. He's looking at me like there must be some kind of pony had.

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But at this time in your training, you probably didn't know where you were being deployed to. We didn't know where we were going to go. We were in what we call the receiving station at in San Francisco. And we had to give in a 30-day leave before we were going to be assigned to a ship. At that time, the Navy would be in the middle, the very first radar repair ships. They submerged the transport. And it carried spare parts for every piece of electronic equipment that Navy used in the Pacific. I don't know how many they had, but I know they started with one, and I believe there was one that was already out there.

And when I went back home east to the family that had raised me at last from 13 to 18, I told them that I had planned to enlist at UCLA, and I had a list of the apply for and to go to school there, and that I was going to leave and almost says to me, what's the matter with New York? We have some pretty good schools over here, don't we? But it was a crowded living with five people in a small, a small apartment, one bathroom for all the girls and girls meet a lot of times in space.

And I used to go to bed at night. I was the last time to go to bed because we had a lot of little cotton kitchen. And I was the first one to get up. They thought everybody had to get up and go to work. And I had to go to school. And it was a great upbringing, a little crowded. But when I was out here on the coast,

I saw California for the first time. The living was good. I enjoyed it in basketball. And I have been through school when I was at UCLA. And if you've ever seen the campus today, it's just a crowded mess. But there were only four buildings. There was Royce Hall and the library, typical great college campuses. Four buildings, an old administration building and an old chemistry building.

And I got a job and a fellow now of the great virtues. ditches or the sewer lines that they knew they were going to be built in when the war was all there. That's what was going on there. But she's hoping about when I get assigned to. I came back late from that 30-day leave. I don't want to tell my wife, but I met a girl on the way and I thought a day late. Now, nothing happened. Nobody gave me a gig or a black mark.

And so we wondered where we went to the sign. And then one day somebody said, they are your name is up on the shipping list. You've been assigned out. You didn't know what it was. They didn't know how to go to the board and find out. And that's when I found out. I was being assigned to an LS.

M. L.S. M is the smallest ocean-going ship the Navy had. And 238 is right behind me on that screen that Courtney dug up and found. It's like an LST, most people have seen them. They've been around Europe, landing up. landing on the beach, France was typical. It was very similar, although it wasn't enclosed on the deck. It did have bow doors that open up, ramp goes down,

and we were able to get on and off. The reason I got a sign, to that LSM was it was the lands of a group of seven or eight that had been built. I believe most of them were built on the West Coast and from there they were out. The captain of this LSM 238 was the last one I was still in San Francisco and the commanding all of us that were a Manapalus graduate. Well, now this was back in the 44, 45, well, it was 44. We hadn't reached 45 yet.

And he knew that the LSM was entitled, the group A.H. 6th, 7 were entitled to an electronic recognition. And he knew that it was an electronic machine. And he didn't want to leave until he got one, because he knew there were none amongst all of seven ships. And he had insisted on one. And I strongly suspect that being a day late may be the first one to get us up into an L-Sah.

And that was kind of interesting when I came on board, You salute the flag, yes, the commission come on board. You've got all your papers with you. And the go in and comes and picks them up. And before you know, they've got Arthur Lewis here on board. And the first thing that radio operator says for me is, I'm glad you hear we got this piece of machinery that we don't know what we'll do with it.

And that was an effort. FM radio. It was a portable radio. There was a Marine Corps piece of equipment. And I'm proud to say, I'd never seen it before. Never saw any diagrams or anything else about it. And he says, we can't get this thing worth it. So the first thing I asked for, that was chromatic.

And I see that we've got some tubes in there. One of the first things you know, when you begin to work on radio, the communication equipment is check the tubes. You have steel them and if they're not warm, you've probably got a bad one. Because they do generate heat, they have internal electrodes. And I asked them, where's this been parts. I had no idea. You didn't even know where the chmato was.

It took them a day so they find that. I knew they had to have it if they had the equipment on board. The neighbor was pretty efficient even a load day. We finally found a box of the band that we were able to start it up. It was crystal controlled and that became important later. We took the ship to Honolulu or the ship took us and that would have been because I've never been to Pearl Harbor and I never seen Honolulu and the sightseeing was interesting.

We saw the bombed out trips that were laying there. It was still there and we, one of the things I noticed the kid and I pushed a trip abroad or anywhere. I never had a city of New York until I got there. It was pineapple juice all over the place. And we loved it. They couldn't ship it back to the States. They were growing it, and they had a lot of it.

You could get a case of pineapple juice. Of there, nothing. And so we spent a lot of time drinking pineapple juice. We didn't bother with whiskey. And we finally got assigned to Oahu and we do that we're going to get some troops on board. And so the ship got loaded before we went to Oahu. And from there we found out that we were going to be doing some

training and the training was to get this landing trap with 238 that's behind me with the outdoors open the open well deck was stacked with all kinds of munitions and on top of the munitions that they had planks and they rolled on board some communications heats, a couple of three, and up in the down door they were placing an armored bulldoze. And that became a problem later. But while we were there, we had to practice getting a ship on the beach. We'd be out a couple of hundred yards or more and head for beach full speed and while we're running into the beach at full speed we're dropping an anchor off the

fan tail and your maybe your fingers caught hoping then it's going to grab hold somewhere because you're beginning to unwind a cable that when you do hit the beach but then they know what the beach over there would be like you've all seen them in the previous movies on the uh European theater as well. So we get on that beach and we be essentially stranded. The idea was that they'd unload whatever you had there, pull-offs the beach by winding yourself off with a witch. We did that a couple of times.

And while we were there, the commander of the group, he had his communications. on he had them on a similar FM radio and he had issued the order to all the other ships that were involved with us to get up on his frequency

we found out later that the reason to that was nobody on his ship knew how to change the frequency and I got that I was able to find the crystals at work that were the same frequency

and so we were the only other ship to be able to get on his frequency and we then had all of the ships on one of the beaches in Bahoe and I don't know

I think maybe we were on Maui but whatever it was. I had to go from ship to ship to get the other ships on frequency, which we were able to do. Also, while we were in San Francisco, the word gun and then we were able to put 50 caliber gun because we had no other defense of the armament. And if they were to come back from the fleet that, on these landings on the beaches. The Japanese were beginning to board the ship

when it was unloading and they were being attacked. And of course, maybe if they were forces, sailors don't carry guns. But I got that as my movie station because everybody else on the crew had had a battle station, mine with the radio shack. And that took me out on that day. And when we had the gun and stole that, it's mine.

And we got to swinging it around because it's on a cabin, which was the electric runner around. And I think the captain one day noticed that as we swing that thing around, we can go right past the coming power where he would be who a ship was underway or he were on the beach. And quickly realized that he didn't want to have any accidents and put his stuff on it. So that even if you wanted to, you couldn't shoot the captain.

Well, that was a consideration because if you remember what was going on, Vietnam, and officers who got it out of line were not particularly well-line. I don't want to get my captain in any trouble and said that we didn't like him. But we had a feeling because while we were traveling, he would have the, the, it's a black officer. It wasn't a black sailor. He goods, the duty in the kitchens. segregation of lakes and forth

when he stays. And when we're traveling across the Kuzlpe, this was later on, he would have a Coke on a silver tray

and he would walk up through the cruise quarter all the way on up to the to the Konee Tower and they have a Coke. And of course we didn't have the coach at that time. Later we got some onboard and had a lot of cigarettes. The country was good to sailor. We ate well, not as well in the submarine foods, but we ate well as

long as we had food. Later we rang out of food too. But that's a story for another day. We got the shiploaded. They put all the all the communication fees. We got the bulldozer on board. And we started heading out. We knew not where. And while we're on board, we had about 40, forget exactly how many brings we had on board

with a Marine Corps captain with in charge of the group. And you sure you want me to continue with this? Yes, yeah, please. We were traveling with it, and they would start the engine on the armored blow, those. And after a couple of days, when they went to start it, they keep checking it every day. And they couldn't get started.

There were some mechanics amongst the Marines, almost any kid in the country knew how to work on an engine. And we had our own motor back to help them get it started, and they finally got it started. And then a few days later, again, they couldn't get it started. And the ship is traveling about six months. You could walk faster than that. But that was the rate of which we went.

we went. I tell people that ship would take us anywhere, it would take 30 days. His next door that would take us 30 days. It would take us 30 miles. It would take 30 days. But we progressed. But it got to the point where our skipper is getting a little nervous about that. So he gets hold of the Marine captain and he tells him when we get to Saipan, we're going to get permission from the harbor master took a lot alongside a dock and we're taking that thing off here. The Marine captain looks at him. He's got his hand on his side arm. He only got it with a gun on board the ship. And when the Marine captain hears him tell him that he's going to take that off the ship, he says captain, one captain took another, kept the Navy captain. Well, he wasn't a four striper, he was a true striper.

What do ring cup captain says, captain, when we get to where we're going, I'm going to be that bulldozer. That bulldozer isn't getting off the ship until we get to where we're going. And there are nose to nose and eyes to eyes. And my skipper finally turns around and walks away. And when we got to Saipan, we finally got it started. and the agreement was that they wouldn't turn it off until we got to where we were going. Now, we were looking at charts to see where the hell are we going,

but they hadn't told us. And I guess that's maybe between many war. And we found an island close to Japan and was Eoshima. I don't know whether it was Ewo-Germ. or not, but it ended up to do Yulina we were heading for. So we had that going through that entire trip, pouring gasoline in one hand and the morning and on the other.

We got to the island that we saw now, we knew where to work. We saw the biggest fleet we had ever seen. There were a couple of battleships out there. They had been there for quite a while. The island had been bombed, had been bombed from the air, from the big battle wagons. And you probably know those battleships, but those 1820. inch guns. The shells are about the size of a little car and you would have thought that there was nothing that could have survived it. But we were, we didn't have the kind of air attacks that

later it became the routine. But we did have some flying over. And every ship in that armada was firing as those planes that were tempting to come in while alone going around. And the order finally came out that all new ships without radar control, fire control, stop shelling. Those things have to come down. And apparently, we were doing well with having done her own. And then he meant the LCVPs, the smaller personnel carriers,

they're full of soldiers, open deck. They run up on the beach and they drop the ramp and soldiers get off. And they're the first ones that landed. And we were still out, we were loaded. We had our machine, we had our armate bulldozer still there. And after they got ashore, we started to land on the beach. Now, we had, I had some other photo that my kids got.

We didn't have our our songs with us the most day. I guess we couldn't find them if you want us to. But maybe apparently had a lot of pictures taken. And later, if you want to see if I can't. Yeah, yeah, please. And we hit the beach when they dropped the ramp. We got that bulldozer off. Began unloading all the other supplies.

I remember when we got everybody off, We were sitting on one end, the crew, and there was a lot of noise going on. And we were sitting on some jelly gasoline. And me and the guy sitting next me said, let's get out of here. So we moved to the other end of the ship. And what I remember we sat on was just as bad with the jelly gasoline. But we finally pulled off. And then we had some other duties.

Interestingly, as you know, Elishyama was the largest number of Marine Canada fees. The Army was there also, was the Marines that bore the front of it. And the, let's see, we got off. We were then carrying supplies back and forth. And at one point, we were told to go shore and pick up some prisoners that had in campsuit. And that battle, it was taking no prisoners.

And the Marines apparently had four, and we would take some wounded back. So we went. You never hesitated to follow in the water. I remember, nobody questioned whether it's dangerous or not. You don't have time for that. You told them going somewhere to do something, you'd do it. And we got these prisoners on board. The ramp was down.

They were drawn aboard by other Marines. The prisoners were on stretchers. They were carried on board. They would lead them flat on the, on the weld deck. And the Marines didn't want to get on board with them, but they had been in the battle with them for the last week or more. And they refused to get on, and the board came back.

You tell those Marines, they've gone to get on board that too. We want those prisoners here. And so they did. They got on board. And they stood on the upper deck. it's open. And they stared down at the business. So we pull off the beach

and now we have to find out where you've got to go. For whatever reason, we did not know where it was. And we were steaming around in that harbor for quite a while. And the weather was getting threatening. The prisoners were they were pretty well cleaned up.

That was a surprise. Apparently, the medics who had gotten to them, cleaned them up. Every one of the prisons had either an arm or a leg off, and they were just laying there quietly. Apparently, they had been given some cigarettes, but they each had one or two. You didn't know how many.

We didn't bother to count. And we saw them, Like one of them started, as I recall, to try to get a light to cigarette that he had. It was obviously he couldn't do it. He only had one arm. And in any event, you could see that he wanted it. And as I recall, one of our guys went down there and started unlike the cigarette for him. And once we did that, the other thing.

began to pull out a cigarette also. And then another sailor came down. And then a Marine came down. And pretty soon they were lighting a cigarette for them. To me, that was really a show of empathy and humanity. They were just soldiers doing their job, cancer, help themselves, afraid they were going to get tortured or whatever from what they had heard, just like our people had heard, things like that. And then our cook comes out, and he's got some soup, and we started to feed them, and the Marines were there, and also a bunch of hand. and feeding them.

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While we're on a beach, I tell a story that I learned to drive. when you drive on Ewa. Because while we were unloading all this stuff, I'm big, the Marine. I never seen a small one. And no matter how short they are, they're big, they're tall. And so I mean you know, kids,

I don't work on to carry out of here. I look around. I'm the closest to it. When I get up, I jump behind the wheel. Because even though I had never really, They owned a car, probably even didn't drive a car. When you're that age in the city, like New York of Brooklyn, we know how to drive. So I get my foot on the clutch and I pulled me in a big clutch down.

I'm shifting my gear, any gear. I didn't know or care. I get that truck to move. And if my wife hears me tell, story he'll say he still advised like that but uh i i didn't get any injury i did have uh i'm embarrassed even talk about it well i had a cut and i feel over the piece of shrapnel someone but uh anyway he got infected and uh it's swelling um and it's getting painful now um medical He says that to the captain, we got a near the one of the doctors on one of the ships are kind of too.

I can't do anything else for him and he's getting to paint to him as infected. And so the captain, as he would for a crew member, finds that there's a ship nearby, big transport that has doctors on it. And so we pull up alongside. Now, by this time, we had run out of food. We were eating cabash and nobody's got time to take care of other stuff like that when guys are dying on the island.

And so the people on board of those of the ships transports or whatever. They're alongside the rail. They're watching the show. They're pretty safe by this time because we had our own airport. That was one of the reasons they wanted Yoroshima. because they had been bombing Japan.

The B-29 was stationed inside Pan. And on the way back, some of them had suffered some kind of damage to the airplane. And we were losing some of them in the water before they could get back to Saipan. And we were picking up any of the survivors that would put on any of the ships that were there. There were others who were probably more depth at doing that. And as we did get along the sky, the ship, you better climb up the ropes. You've seen them in the Cogor Mets. And the kids who are all watching, and they see the sailor come in.

He's got his hand bandage. And they find out that we're looking for a doctor for me. I had one of the guys with me. And they take him to the doctor. And he gets lost in the ship, don't know where it wouldn't have. to get it out. That's why we all have somebody with us. And a doctor takes a look and wraps up the band with him. Tastes a cigarette, shoved it in my mouth. I didn't smoke. He didn't ask me. And gets his scalpel and cuts it over and what that stuff comes out.

He wraps in the band and puts my arm in the spring and we're done. And they're going to take me back. And on the way back there, one of the ships were crew says, would you like to eat while you're here? Because before we had the last, if we pulled up alongside, some of our crew had yelled on to them, hey, you guys got any bread up there? And they got any bread? They need bread. Yeah, so they come home and they're cook.

He comes out for the rain. You guys ask him for bread? Yeah. Well, if they get, they got whatever they wanted this, which was fantastic. to them and on the way he's telling me if we like to eat one here here. I say yeah. So they take me down to the chow line and it's a big long line that's long as the ship. And they moved me up to the head of the line.

Now ordinarily they get new bumpers for the chow line. You're gonna get your ass kick, but everybody is respectful. And we get up to the head of the line and why do you think this was steak? And so moving along with the tray, somebody's holding the tray. And the guy, it's a big slav of steak on there. There's one another one. He said, well, yeah. So I get that.

And then down the end of the line is ice cream. These guys were having a party and we have nice meal. You go back down. Now I've got to climb back down the net. My arm is in a swing like I've been in a war or something. Nobody thinks I have because we didn't have to go in land. We unload it and we're ready to go back. And I can't let everybody come down.

I take off the arm and I kind back down and we're going to make a big thing out of it. But I've never made a claim of having been wounded in the war. Never got a purple heart, never asked for a lot. And it's a story I don't like to tell so much somebody else. I hear about it, well, making it up or something. But we were good. Finally, I'm sure there's a few other stories will tell about it, but basically we got damaged

and we had to come back for repairs to Pearl Harbor. Oh, we felt so bad that we had to go to Pearl Harbor. But when we got to Pearl Harbor, we found out They didn't have any room for a ship like ours with all the other damaged. Author, how did your ship get damaged? Well, by being banged alongside that beach and the other pictures that I have, you'll see seven LSMs, as many as they can get on one picture. And that's where the damage comes.

They're swinging against. And when we go out to load up, we're banging against the other ships. And that was most of the damage. We never took a direct yet. Somebody somewhere else did. And that's when this and some of the pictures that we have to show is the LSM-238, all by itself. And those were after the first couple of days

of unloading supplies and equipment where we had to go around to the west side. Iwo Jima is an island that's four miles long, two miles wide at the widest point. That's where the airfield was put. And Mount Surabachi is on the southern end. lies at an angle. But it's a small area.

Four miles at one end. And it's only four miles, two miles wider, the widest. And the Masturbachi at the other end. See, what they had done in Monsurabachi was they had their borders inside the caves on the island. They had the beach grid, A1, A2, B, two, B, two, And they had each mortar on any spot that they wanted it. They would sit at the angle and elevation that's required to hit any spot that they wanted to. And they run the motorized and the end of the cave of the mound, pull a lanyard, pull it back in.

So they were pretty well protected and we didn't have that problem. As a matter of fact, they let the first batch of Marines who arrived on the LCVPs get out and ashore before they began to bombard everything else up there. So I don't know the damage on any of the other ships, but I'm sure there was. But that's essentially what how it was. We got to Pearl Harbor, we had to go on to the states. And when we got to the states, there was a little, river up in Napa Valley. And we were, it was almost like going through the balls,

if you've ever been to the border. You see people on both sides and away that too. That's when I got to a cruise ship. But one of the things that we translated that and I tell the story, I dreamt of the days when I could clip on the side with a genotinic and watched the waves pull by. And that's all we did when we run up in the river that people on both sides were waving

and there was a small ship ride where we left the ship. And I never saw it again. But when I got through, I got it for the day of news I didn't at that time. That's when I went home and told that I was going to go to the E.C. And we did. And I'm thinking, who knows? That's when I came back.

And when I got back, it was the receiving station. I remember I had enough coins for discharge. And that was a point system. I go to the COO and I go on, I've got no points of race child. Next look, what's the other paper than you do? You know, you're right. When you get to Japan, you tell the command of the ordinary,

you'll have no points. So when I got to Japan, I did that. And six months later, we've got Philippines, we're sweeping mines on a mine sweeper. And that's where I got the picture of myself with a monkey. Everybody likes that. Did we have a monkey on board? Well, we had a monkey on board, but not until we had a leave.

They left the monkey on the island. But, Arthur, this was, I mean, you go to Japan, presumably the war is over at this point, right? Yeah, the war was over. I'm not sure, though, that the peace, peace treaty had happened. This was in February. Okay. That would have been in the middle of the, yeah, that would have been in the middle of the, so the other island they came right after that. Stations going.

That's what happened when you hit 100. Oh, you're talking about Okinawa? Okinawa, yeah. That's where the air attacks were prolific. There's a lot of damage on that. That's why I said we were getting some of that, but not like Okinawa. It's even close to Japan.

And it's a very large, large place, much bigger than Ewasian. So the Navy had you do basically an additional tour this time you were mind sweeping trying to clean up after the war? It sounds like the Navy had you do an additional tour anyway in Japan and the Philippines basically cleaning up after the war.

Well, yeah. We had already occupied most of the Philippines. We were in so good bad. We were mostly mind-s sweeping. We gave mine sweeping also up in Japan. And I recall that we were sweeping mines there when we blew up a couple of ships. And the Navy finally said, well, look, the Japanese are the ones that put in there. They made the Japanese go ahead and sweep their own mine desk there.

Then we went down to the Philippines and we were sweeping the Philippines. We were sweeping mines over there as well. It was a different kind of ship, mine sweepers. They're having that kind of a problem, they're having that kind of a problem now or that it was. And now I ran trying to lock the chain and throw there. It's a different minesweeper that they have these days. Different minesweeper that they have as well.

But it's still a dangerous job. And how did that tour go for you? Well, when I got back and went to UCLA, I started an engineering. By that time, by that time, I was working at you with aircraft because of the background in electronics. I, they needed people to help build some of the airborne radar. Hughes Aircraft at that time was run by Cy Remo, Dean Walridge. Those are names who recognized as being part of the, not the EWA, but Thompson-R-W-W-W-WBWBH CRW. They were running a huge aircraft research and development labs.

They developed the first airborne, lactic ships. When I met with them, I would do this for about 10 years when I was going to school. I switched from engineering to law. And I didn't go to telling them, but it wouldn't have made any difference if I had because They were pretty good about learning kids with school. And I got married. And I have three boys who are also practicing law now. I guess they all decided to follow law

because they figured if dad could make a living at her, and I'm honed pretty big. So I got boys who all ended up with having a daughter in a law that's married to my oldest boy. They went to college, US Lee, Ronald played football. He was the football player in high school. I would recall made a team, but he was the freshman. And so they put him on the kickoff return team.

And I remember going to the first game that he stood up for, and they had him take the first mall like I kicked over to them. He took about five yards behind a goal line, ran it all the way to the other goal line. And he considered that way. He was recruited by S.E. Well, S.C. came in later, Houston, L.A. Coach Cush from Arizona State. He came out to the house.

And he wanted to know what he could do to convince him to come to Arizona State. My, I remember him seeing that Ronald wanted to go to USC, because USA was number one. And all these kids that went there good at anything and wanted to go to the number one school. And he finally turns to his mother. And he says, what does he want to be? And mother quickly says, he wants to be a doctor. It reminds me a story about Solensky. Remember when Solensky's mother was interviewed,

she says in the press list of her, Mrs. Solinsky, you must be very proud of your son. He's now the head of the government. And she says, yes, but my other son's a doctor. as a traditional Jewish mother. So Ronald, he didn't care to be a doctor as much as he cared to be a football player at USC. But interestingly, USC came after him and he got all the

team a scholarship and his career ended when O.J. Simpson was transferred into the same school. And Ronald would then use for practice. And I saw the beating that he was taking by being the opposing teams running back. And we finally took him off for two years, kept them in school, but took him off, which he didn't want to get beat up anymore. And he finally saw that that's all he was going to be doing with Simpson. But on the wind sprints, OJ was only one step ahead of him. So it was pretty good.

The other boys that followed, they were pretty good in high school as well. And they all said their funnel didn't make it, they're not going to make it, so they never tried to get any further than that. But the boys were all reasonably okay. And of course you know my granddaughter who's here. She's the one responsible for this at all. She goes around calling everybody about how her grandfather is. And she lies a lot.

I tell you. What else would you like to know? I've been practicing law for about 50 years. What area of law? I beg the bottom. What area of law? What kind of suits did you take or cases? Well, when I was abused, as I said, I would have for 10 years.

I began to, well, once I passed, That's the bar and they knew I was going to law school. They transferred me over to what they call it spare parts department where they used to negotiate in right field in Ohio for the Air Force, the spare parts because we now knew all about their airborne radar. We were making the radar system for the F-86 night fighter. out of North American airport. And we know all the parts that make up the system.

And we're intimate with all the components. I got transferred or with, well, more interesting than that. I remember meeting Cy Remo. at North America one time because we had put together the system that was working very well. We'd send it over to North American, and then North American would have installed it into their planes, and they'd have to fly them. They have to work successfully on a couple of flights before the Air Force would pay for them. for them and we found out that the Air Force was complaining that they were spending a lot of time

trying to get those radar systems working. We couldn't understand it because we tested them carefully before we sent them out. So they decided that that would do this. They would take a North American plane that had been bought that all of the wiring was crew. and they had put the radar system in and it had flown. So they were gonna make a radar system that made all expectation. They took the cabling from that airplane, brought it to the factory to see that the wiring on there

was adequate. We found that it was. And we then built the system and sent it over to put in one of their newly manufactured of planes and I was assigned to follow that system all the way to North American, ride the truck in which it was taken over there and report anything, any mishap or whatever. We did that, put it in that airplane, flew one time, and sold. But I noticed the way the equipment had been handled. They come a little by,

boxes, the traditional little box. And I see one get dropped, get picked up, and installed, things of that kind, and so I wrote a report. And they were so surprised that so many of the little things that happened. And another thing that happened is that when the plane flew, I found out that it wasn't the radar that was necessarily the problem with it, but there were other parts of the plane, other radio equipment and whatever.

And so they were blaming it on the radar because that was the most complex piece of equipment there. They kept me there for about probably a year. That's one of the ten that I spent there. And during that time, we had a lab there with field engineers and one day and I'm walking past I see that aside Raymo, Dr. Ramo, was with them and they're all huddled around the screen on the Raynor system and there's some kind of a blip that they see and as I walk by I see what it is and they're still there the next day and they're still looking at it and I have seen that at the bank group and so as I walk by there I said wanted to try R30 a resistor in this circuit over and whatever and I walked away.

They turned around looking me like I'm crazy. And he walked by a complex radio system and points from one particular resistor in a particular circuit and well finally somebody decided to take a look at it and they did and the system word and now they call this kid over and How the hell did you know that? Well, I says, you know, we've been watching all of these blocks. We've seen this there. Took us a couple of three days or more to find out what the hell it was.

Once we found that out, we found that that particular resistive in that particular circuit needed to be more than the usual 10% plus or minus. And it has to be within two or three percent. And suddenly they made a change. But ever since then, they moved me over the spare parts where I had to fly out to, that was one of my first commercial air flights was for Jews Airways to fly out to right field in Ohio. And as I'm sitting around the table with the usual group, they're usually accountants and whatever else. And they're buying magnetrons. magnetron is the heart of the radar system.

It's a machine piece of a permit. And they're buying what I thought was a enormous amount. I says, you know, the magnetron is the least likely item to go bare down that system. You don't need all of those. I mean, one spare part will cover a lot of territory. And it began to go off the world and stay parts with them. I got a $20 a week race. when they found out that they can save a lot of money,

but they're not buying that money to be there. They were a good company to work for. I met Dr. Remo some years later. I'd been practicing law, and we were at a cocktail party in Beverly Hills. And I'm introduced to Mrs. Ramo. And I said, oh, Ms. Ramon, I know your husband, you're looking for.

She said, yes, I remember when we worked on the E1, bio control system. Really? He says, son I come over here. Here's somebody who remembers you from his aircraft, because now he has been running ATRW, which was an incredible firm also. And he can realize this, oh, you remember the equipment? Yes, I said, I remember the intercept equation, our own. make a D minus F over T.

I think, you know, it would quite surprised that I could remember me and intercept him quite a team. That was an interesting meeting. Trying to think of anything else on my mind. Let's start to talk

and wrap up a little bit with, you know, your 50 years in law. What did you do in the field of law? What did I do? Well, When I started the practice law, I had opened up an office near New Day Prep. I figured I knew a lot of people there. It gets a lot of traffic.

And I opened up an office. It didn't cost very much. In those days, you needed a law library. And you can get one from West Publishing. It costs you $50 a month. You get a whole set of book and $50 a month wasn't that much more than I could afford and the office was small. But whatever your problem was, it was my special book. And so I did the usual accident, caves, bankruptcy caves, personal injury, whatever came in.

But Mrs. Lewis was getting tired. of my being working days. You're going to school at night. Oh, working at night. Get a job. Get a 24-hour job. He's taking care of three kids and that's more than she can handle or wants to handle and not having your home.

And so that's what I did. I went looking at those days to get a job. You went through the newspapers. saw an ad lawyer, one of a new young lawyer, and their practice when I went to get interview, it turned out to be criminal law. And I do remember that one of the first assignments they gave me was to go out to Bill and Bayesian courthouse and see the client, the name of John Bill. And just tell him that I am in Mr. I don't want to give a name, but the lawyer said,

tell him that Mr. John Smith and that tell the client that I'm engaged in trial elsewhere and can't make it here, that we want to just continue the case, the 30 days or whatever day the judge wants. didn't sound too complex. So I go to the courthouse. I call out the client's name. He comes by.

And he said, well, hell are you? And I said, well, Mr. Smith wants me to just continue the case because he's engaged elsewhere. And we can't make it. Okay. Not very happy about her. I said his home here continue. So I, cases call, I get up to the bench.

And your honor, Mr. Smith, the council would write it that I was unable to make this appearance. He's engaged at this time. Oswald, I was just looking to put it over 30 days over any time convene to the court. It looks at me and says, you'll remember the bar again? Yes, not yeah. Yes.

And he says, you have a bar card? He said, he asked, tell him to the club. I go over and go to the club and he looks at him and he says, your case is assigned to court number three. Mr. Smith has continued this case four times. This is the kind of goes to trial. I had no idea what the case was about what we're going to have. get assigned to the courtroom cases call.

He says, well, you're gonna, I was here to continue the matter because Mr. Smith, oh, Smith, yeah, I said, I know him. And you have no first appearance in court, yes, you're an newly meant that, well, yeah, so one year, he said, all right, we'll continue for you. But you'll let him know, it's going to trial next month. And that was my first introduction to them.

Since then, I graduated. They handled a gambling case. Bookmaking. And I didn't know much about it. I didn't know much gambling. But as I began learning the Ritz, which is when someone gets arrested and you want to make bail, you're either waiting until a case gets cold in the day of something.

or you can find a judge and tell him and ask him if he will sign a writ which sets bail and if you then that to the signed writ to the jailhouse of no release them so I used to do that and when I was doing it I'd have one of the kids whoever was giving mama trouble come along with me and all the kids have brought from my base of training with me. But I got to trying them, and searching Siege came to the form. And that was my piece of cave. And with a law library, we are. And so I started carefully.

as some began to recognize a lot of things about them. One it takes to light a search one, what it required in a search one. And I found out there were very few people who took the time to study that. I also learned that the law was changing. And pretty soon, instead of running into a client, who said, who the hell are you?

who are coming in the office and say, I want that kid that worked in here. And I did answer to a bunch of cases. And ultimately, we got to the Supreme Court. Oh, wow. Yeah. U.S. Supreme Court. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then to the California, of course. And I'm going to the U.S. Supreme Court. When I tell a story, I remember the things. being concerned, we had a gambling case. California had a gambling law. What's in effect said that.

You've got to remember, because back then, we had a lot of smog, and the state finally outlawed backyard trash burning. Everybody used to burn a lot of trash in the backyard and located. And so they instituted a lot of, a law that indicated that you can't burn your trash in the backyard and on search warrants and search and see you also said that you can't search the trash but the police are beginning to do that they were going to search your trash that you

put out pick up and you can't search it until it has been collected and commingle with a large conglomeration of trash elsewhere and lost its identity. This case that came up right after that was one where the bookmaker in town, England is an honorable profession. But over here you can go to federal prison and as well of this demeanor. And in any event, they had gone into the trash room of this apartment building. They knew this fellow, John Doe, again. He comes up on a lot of cases that we talk about.

And they had searched through the trash because they knew him. The probability he was, but he'll have to bump him in the plush. They found a bag that they could. that they could connect to the unity who had been and found evidence of gambling, betting folks. And they then went and got a warrant and arrested him. And we took his cave and we pointed out that they had without a warrant gone and searched his and consequently arrested him and the case by the Smiths.

And since I've been doing this for quite a while, I knew most of the judges, I know most of the police would do the investigation, and I knew the old violations, that they take some of the things for granted. And in any event, the appellate section calls me one day and says, part. You have gambling case, search and see them, no complex other issues involved. We want to take a case up to Supreme Court. I said, well, I just finished one. Oh, okay, yeah, that's the one we want. Can we let you know that we're going to file an appeal? We'll send you a copy and let you know

beforehand so you you can tell your client that we're going up on appeal and says yeah and give them the name of the case and then call the client and tell them that they're going to file on appeal what do that mean what means is that it's going to cost you a lot more money than this the mean of them we just went river and so how much I says well I can't be sure at the moment but it's going to be at least $1,000 dollars, which was a substantial difference. And he said, I'm not paying 10,000 dollars with boat making case.

I said, I don't blame you. I don't want to go. Well, what do you got to do? Well, the first thing is they got to have a brief printed. And they go through some of the things that we have to do. I've got to go to Washington, D.C. I've got to fly there, I'm not walking and laid up until I don't want to go. I said, well, I'll let them know.

Now my kids have been through the law school in various stages. I'm having graduated and the whole partway through whatever. And hey, good, you gotta take it. You gotta go to the spring club. How do you guys get to go in a lifetime to this thing? I said, well, I don't go to the client doesn't want to pay and I'm not going to be going there. And so they're telling me that, hey, we'll sweep the call, and we'll mower along, we'll bill all my stuff to help you with the grease.

And it's pretty hard to, well, also I was concerned because the federal rule is different. And I remember it goes way back to World War I. I'm familiar with World War II, but World War I, no. What had happened was there was a German spy. The FBI got word of and they went to arrest him. And they didn't have a one. those days he didn't have such and season for the extent what was here today. And they went to his room and I think they got a key or they didn't get a key, but then they went in and he wasn't there.

He had moved his stuff out and they, it was a trash bag or a trash bin, and they went through it and they found a hollowed out nickel. That was a toy in the old days where it was wood, but it looked like the size of the nickel. And there was a little drawer in it as it would open it up. And then they found some microfiche, a small film. And they took it and they arrested him. The case went to court. And there was an objection made to the search of the trash. And the court said that that was okay.

And that became the rule of law in the federal system that is okay to search the trash. But of course today, the problem is that there was a right of privacy. And if there's any indication on the part of the defendant that he wanted to remain, that You can't do it. Cats was the case that said they saw a bookmaker go into a phone go and they closed the door and they knew what he was doing because they knew what his activity was and they listened and heard a conversation and we arrested it as a result. And the court said that the closing of the indicated a claim of privacy that he wanted it to be private.

In that World War I case, he had left the room. He abandoned the property. There were no attempt to keep it secret anymore. If he had it on them, that might have been a different story. But he abandoned the room and they found it. So, Consolented, that's the federal government. So when we had this case come up, my kids want me to go. We've got to take their wives with them.

So it cost me more than the $10,000 that the client didn't want to bet. So my middle son, Kim, he had just passed the bar. And in those days that he was allowed to appear before the Supreme Court. court and be admitted to the practice of law. Today you can go to the local district court. They were doing it in those days as well, but he wanted to go to the Supreme Court because they were still doing that. And so he came along with me and get the papers for his admission to the bar and and I go to the clerk's office and I submitted the papers to them and

And Clems Miles was nice to see a lawyer moving the admission of his son. And she says the judge will like that very much. And I wait for him. Oh, Ms. Lewis, I'm sorry. We can weigh the admission. But your affidavit as to his good conduct is something. that we can't accept. He said, well, why not?

I know him very well. She said, well, we know that. And the judges know that too. That's why they expect any father to speak well of the son. And we're going to have to get somebody else assigned. We have to David has to this. But there I am trying to get him at the middle of the bar. And the first thing I have to do is commit perjury,

like anybody who doesn't know and that's it was good conduct and as I'm walking down the hallway trying to figure out what I can do here for a kid I see that this attorney and the head of a pellet walking down the hall now that was um what was the name again Courtney the DA? um Anyway, it was the DA, who I knew well. And his son was Maya just recently, or not too long ago. And I stopped him.

I said, I need a favor. And he wondered, you're willing to sign him after David that my kid is a good moral character. They smiled up, of course. And they did, you know, took him. And we moved his admission. And this was in the morning of that day. and they have no session.

He's sitting beside me. Now, I'm getting concerned. I know it's a case that we're going to have difficult time of winning in light of the old case of this place and I'm concerned they're going to ask me some questions about rule against perpetuity. It's no old real estate problem issue.

And it's kind of complicated. most law students have trouble with that and that's my biggest concern but in any event the prosecution gets up and they make their argument and the same argument i've heard for years and it could be caught them i've ever been in and so i'm kind of relaxed about that and so as i head up to speak justice philea starts and before i could say anything other than and your honor. And he said, tell me, counsel, if I are a neighbor of your and you were to take the trash,

not on the grass portion of your property, but off into the street also curve. And I were to take something that interested me. And I were to take it and I would take it. And what's the name? Beal-Ber-Grosse. What? We have a grosser.

We can, yeah. Oh, well, I'll leave that. You won't leave that. And if you were to come by and, if I would come by, and to take something from that trench can, is your position I think that had me arrested. And I can't figure out why,

if you were out of lying, he put this question and asked, well, Your Honor, I don't know if I can have you arrested, because that would depend on what we took, the value of it, if you intended to permanently deprive me of it. And he says, well, that was a bad example. Suppose I took the garbage, you know, trying to put it in a box, tying a ribbon around it, and put it underneath a park bench.

And this is why, Your Honor, as you know, particularly when comes to the Supreme Court's our duties, not sure I said that, but putting it on at the lake of park Benz is an open field, and nobody has a reasonable expectation of privacy in an open field. And I see him bring back and This I can't repeat because I can't prove and I'm not sure of what I heard was correct.

But he leans over and he's smiling the justice next to him. There's something that was good lawyering. At least I believe that to this day, that's what he said, but there's no evidence that he did. In any event, the rest of the bench, they take up my time. They're asking questions. I'm responding to them. When it's over, we leave the court now. The press comes over.

They're interested. And they said, I said, Louis, you wouldn't try a lawyer in that case, weren't you? He said, well, yes, I was. What, Roger's the Lavin, and they said, and they said, well, you know, we watch the Supreme Court all the time. And when the justices take the lawyers away, their notes a lot of little stungle and you responded to the entire bench and so we

think you must have been invited handle the case the regular than you know all the man I took that the greatest compliment I could have had and I still come on that the end result was a couple of weeks later the ruling comes down that searcher lottery should not have been granted which would affect me if they shouldn't have taken the case so we didn't win and if my kids say dad you didn't lose I understand that so why didn't say you didn't win you got we didn't win We didn't lose, but we didn't win. But as I was getting calls, most of my friends on the bar,

but this was an accomplishment that they helped. And I said to them, and I got this phone call, and what kind of a case you have? This drugs, you're not going to get the same result. because I said drug case, this is a gambling case. And there's a difference in the outlook on that issue. And sure enough, another case came up and they found against the defendants. So it was a small win, if you will.

But winning in a case does not depend on a complete win. If you can't get them from getting the worst punishment available, then can be a winner as well. And I had one that was pretty big. It was that whitey bones of your case. When I had a client who was growing into a little. brought into it who I was convinced and ruined my heart because they were not like they were charging them and without going in any detail there were ten defendants and he had a reputation in Boston

that left a long down I recall when we were slinking a jury that none of other juror had ever heard his name before. They didn't know him or anything about him. My client was a casino hole. And while they had been bookmaker years before, when he moved to Vegas and he's got a job knowing what he knows about the business for one of the hotels, he would not He was not doing that but somebody who had been arrested by the Fed in Boston when he was interviewed. And he was asked if he knew about any people like that in Vegas and we claimed that to get it.

And we find out that he named it my client because he had known him and named him. We didn't win that case because I had some testimony to put on as the judge that refused to allow him. And we were waiting to see whether he needed to take this on appeal together for no handist sentences and probably deserved it so. But my client was in straight probation. and I considered not a win. Yeah, kept them out of jail, right?

There should have been, they should not have been permitted, but things like that happened. That's, uh, it's an interesting way. I stopped because my hearing had fallen below the level. I was pretty healthy until it was 95. Mm-hmm. And as well, I decided that you can't ask the judge what he said too many times before it's time to quit. Arthur, as we kind of wind down here, I mean, I appreciate you, you know, talking at length about your career.

Let's kind of finish up. I'd like to ask you about turning 100 years old and what that experience was like and what, you know, any big reflections from a very long life that you've. lived, a very colorful one too. Well, I don't know about the colorful. It was interesting. It always feels like to win, but mostly it's a question's matter. I feel like you can walk into any courtroom I better been in and officially respect to the judge.

You don't argue useless cases, but didn't try to do the investigate for your client. And that's allowable and that's good. And you never lie to the court. That's uppermost. I see cases today where lawyers go into court and they submit in a brief giving names for a case or citing a case that doesn't exist.

I can't understand that. Not by it. Longshod, I don't understand that because the first thing you do with the lawyer, when the other side's disagree, you read every one of those cases so that you know when it doesn't and if it doesn't, then you tell them why it doesn't. You could win or lose a case just because you found something that they courted that isn't Thank you. And I can imagine what a judge feels when we find out the artificial intelligence.

Yeah. Why? But you can't put artificial intelligence in jail. Not yet. Yeah, well, I'm proud of my granddaughter. A strange young girl, very bright, always husband, top of her class. And she, my wife.

She wanted to go into the field that she thought she wanted to. And she wanted to go to China. And unfortunately enough to have known somebody in China who stared her in the right direction to get her into one of the best schools in China. Wow. Oh, yes. And she graduated out of the class, and then decided she wanted to go to law school. And she's done that.

And so now she's had an interesting career. I was going to say, I mean, so she's a lawyer that speaks Mandarin? Repeat that one. Your granddaughter is a lawyer that also speaks Mandarin then. Well, he's more than just a lawyer. But I mean, that's a rare skill. Oh, I tell you, if I needed a lawyer, and that's what he was done immediately.

Because she speaks Chinese, because she's a good student, good student, honorable, highest model. Any law firm would be called for a thing to have her. And I know that, they know that. when they get them. I have other branch kids that are probably also. Well, I think one of those people themselves. Well, author, I really appreciate you spending some of your Saturday with us. Before we get going today, any

final thoughts, anything you want to make sure we touch upon before we get going? I can't think of anything if I can turn to my assistant for sending that Yes. It's great. I mean, okay. Oh, she had nothing to offer. Okay. Well, thank you, author, for sharing your life story with us.

We really appreciate it. It was really fun to hear your experiences from World War II through your legal career. And some of these, they sound like some of them were landmark cases, really, that kind of are still with us to this day. So thank you again. and thank you everyone who joined us tonight. Appreciate it, and we will see you next time. And let me just close by saying, as soon as I leave here,

I'll think of a few other things I should have said, and I would like Courtney know about it, and she can pass that on the year to see whether it's worth talking about it yet. Okay. Take care of. Thank you for the opportunity. Absolutely. Thank you, Arthur. Feel free to reach out or have Courtney reach out anytime. Take care.

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